Prometheus

[HATE!]

Any of y'all see it 3D?  Despite the mixed reviews, everything I've read has NOBODY complaining about the #D and is in fact, singing it's praises.

i never thought i'd say this but the 3d visual effects are incredible. the directing and 3d visuals are the saving grace of this movie.

Damn, that says a lot, and if I remember correctly, you and I were on the same side in regards to thinking 3D usually sucks.

[S.E.]

i really liked it.  There was alittle bit of writing problems but overall I was glued to the screen the entire time.  It definitely calls for a sequel. 

[JUSTICE BEAVER]

i really liked it.  There was alittle bit of writing problems but overall I was glued to the screen the entire time.  It definitely calls for a sequel. 

The sequel already exists! Alien, Aliens etc etc

[busey]

Any of y'all see it 3D?  Despite the mixed reviews, everything I've read has NOBODY complaining about the #D and is in fact, singing it's praises.

i never thought i'd say this but the 3d visual effects are incredible. the directing and 3d visuals are the saving grace of this movie.

Damn, that says a lot, and if I remember correctly, you and I were on the same side in regards to thinking 3D usually sucks.

still am on your side about 3d with exception of prometheus. i'd watch the movie again if it was on mute.

[frisco]

My biggest problem with the movie is that it was not scary in the least. And not in the "Oh im not scared of that shit" but in the, none of the characters are likeable so you dont care if they get fucked up sense. Also the music takes you right out of it, this heroic booming tracks come on and all tension is gone from a scene.

The 3D was good but I don't go to a movie because it's in 3D, zero motivation for me.

I would of rather they ditch all the CGI and crazy 3D map room shit, and those weird visions that the characters would have where they would see the Engineers running around the ship with all those fucking crazy dots, could have done without those ghost images. 

[Zurg]

My biggest problem with the movie is that it was not scary in the least. And not in the "Oh im not scared of that shit" but in the, none of the characters are likeable so you dont care if they get fucked up sense. Also the music takes you right out of it, this heroic booming tracks come on and all tension is gone from a scene.

The 3D was good but I don't go to a movie because it's in 3D, zero motivation for me.

I would of rather they ditch all the CGI and crazy 3D map room shit, and those weird visions that the characters would have where they would see the Engineers running around the ship with all those fucking crazy dots, could have done without those ghost images. 

i liked it, but i agree 100% with you on this. i felt uncomfortable a few times, but not really scared or tense.

i think if you dont expect too much from the movie you'll like it

[Pelican]

I did notice the music, but i don't think it detracted. I think it was trying to emphasize how mind-fucking everything was that was going on, rather than trying to build a type of horror movie suspense, which i was fine with. Also, I don't think they were trying to make a suspense/action/horror movie at all. More hand to hand stuff would have been refreshing, but the final sequences (the crash and the engineer resisting the giant squid) were also pretty enthralling. People i've talked to who saw Alien when it first came out said they were on the verge of puking; not because they were scared but because it was a gross movie. That's what i think they were going for here, just on a much bigger scale. Our generation has been so desensitized to that kind of shit though, so it's not as effective in conjuring a response. Personally i was laughing my ass off when she had a squid abortion and then it was wiggling around in her face.

but yeah, that "Father" scene was the absolute worst.

also, i had a lot more fun speculating what all the shit meant after the movie with my friends than i would have if it had just wrapped everything up nicely.

[kellen]

I just got back from watching this and sadly I was disappointed.  The film was way too uneven.  

It had parts where I loved and thought holy shit their doing this right
***SPOILERS***: When they first enter the ship and search it;  I mean that was classic Alien from the way it was shot, the tone, everything. The little cobra that snaps the guys arm and gets in his suit was great.  Noomi Rapace cutting the baby alien was great.  I didn't mind the Alien bursting out at the end of the film either even though you could see it coming from a mile a way.  I pretty much thought that Fassbender was the strongest character in the film.  Like Frisco said his opening scene in the ship should've been the way the film opened up (It was reminiscent of 2001).  


Then parts of the film were just too predictable and didn't seem to fit the tone of the film
*** SPOILERS***:   I thought the score didn't really suit the film all that well.  Guy Pearce popping up for like 10 min seemed pointless and then Charlize Theron dropping the father line was just awful.  Why does Fassbender want to infect Halloway?  I mean he clearly already has the intention to do it before having the conversation at the pool table it just doesn't make sense really unless we're to believe that Weyland told him when he remarks "try harder".  If Weyland wants to stop death why infect Halloway one of the smartest members on board and one of the few people besides Shaw and David who knew the most about the engineers.  David is clearly leading Shaw to her death/using her throughout yet at the end of the film she acts as if nothing had happened.  The film towards the end with the crew staying with their captain was corny.  How do David/Shaw fly the giant space jockey ship?  I mean the engineers seemed like giants in the pilot seat  as you can tell in this scene of the first alien:

Alien (1979) most strange scene in HD

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The greatest thing that the first two Alien films did was they conveyed a sense of dread throughout as well as tension.  For most of Prometheus I didn't feel any of that.  It felt like the film didn't know if it wanted to be about survival or having a lecture about where we come from and why.   Who knows maybe i'll get the blu-ray when it comes out and feel completely different or maybe I just need sometime to mull it over.

[Global Moderator]

***Spoilers***

What blows my mind is that we already know what happens to the last surviving Space Jockey from Alien, he has his chest exploded from an alien bursting through it while seated in the pilot chair. That same ship is the one that crashes at the end of this movie, so how does the Space Jockey's story switch to having the alien burst through his chest in the escape pod? It makes me angry that so many things about this movie were poorly done when it had such potential. The opening scene with the Engineer giving birth to all life on Earth had such amazing potential...

[saucy ragu]

***Spoilers***

What blows my mind is that we already know what happens to the last surviving Space Jockey from Alien, he has his chest exploded from an alien bursting through it while seated in the pilot chair. That same ship is the one that crashes at the end of this movie, so how does the Space Jockey's story switch to having the alien burst through his chest in the escape pod? It makes me angry that so many things about this movie were poorly done when it had such potential. The opening scene with the Engineer giving birth to all life on Earth had such amazing potential...

The Prometheus crew didn't land on the same planetoid moon as the Nostromo crew.

Contrary to prior speculation, LV-223 is not the same moon as the one visited by the Nostromo in Alien (known as LV-426) ? since, in addition to different names, the planets feature differentiated atmospheric compositions. As a result, none of the events depicted in the Prometheus trailer (such as an encounter with a ?Space Jockey?) are directly connected.

http://screenrant.com/prometheus-alien-connection-benk-176223/all/1/

[Pike St]

***Spoilers***

What blows my mind is that we already know what happens to the last surviving Space Jockey from Alien, he has his chest exploded from an alien bursting through it while seated in the pilot chair. That same ship is the one that crashes at the end of this movie, so how does the Space Jockey's story switch to having the alien burst through his chest in the escape pod? It makes me angry that so many things about this movie were poorly done when it had such potential. The opening scene with the Engineer giving birth to all life on Earth had such amazing potential...

The Prometheus crew didn't land on the same planetoid moon as the Nostromo crew.

Contrary to prior speculation, LV-223 is not the same moon as the one visited by the Nostromo in Alien (known as LV-426) ? since, in addition to different names, the planets feature differentiated atmospheric compositions. As a result, none of the events depicted in the Prometheus trailer (such as an encounter with a ?Space Jockey?) are directly connected.

http://screenrant.com/prometheus-alien-connection-benk-176223/all/1/

Exactly I don't know why someone couldn't pick that up. Weyland Corp wants the alien's weapons. Prometheus is just another mission of Weyland Corp going to the alien planet, and they landed near some other alien military bases with different biological weapons then the first alien series. The xenomorph is a biological weapon.

In Prometheus it seems to be these are ancient aliens that supposedly created life on earth, and their weapons of mass destruction are these aliens, such as the xenomorph ad these new eel like creatures from the melting vases. They probably have more weapons and I'm guessing a sequel will have something like that, or going to that other star system.

[sven thorkel]

i generally liked it and thought it wasn't an embarrassment to the series, but they shouldn't have started the film with mr. cgi bubble muscles. i remember thinking to myself "what the fuck did i get myself into." that notion soon subsided, but for the first couple of minutes i was pretty worried. another thing i didn't like was when the personification of an energy drink (ginger beard geologist) came back to the ship as a super mutated version of himself, and after he had been shot at and flamed, he ended up looking more human than when he was scorpianed out and knocking on the doorstep. those CGIists cranked that scene out a little too fast.

in true alien fashion, i liked how the movie used a kick ass female protagonist. she may be no ripley, but dr. shaw had her selling points. ex: the auto squid abortion.

it did explain the origin of xenomorphs, but one problem i have with the explanation is if this rapidly mutating oil has the potential to create any organism with any shape, color, size, etc., why does it simply stop at xenomorphs? throughtout the series their are several generations of xenomorphs, but after seeing this movie, it makes one think "why doesn't it just move onto another form?"

edit: the same goes for humans.

oh, and that DNA match was pretty pathetic. just by looking at the two, humans and 9 foot tall bubble muscles would not have a 100% DNA match. individual humans don't even have a perfect match. with that being said, with it being a movie and all, you just sort have to accept the pseudoscience

[frisco]

The Fassbender opening would have been perfect, still a highlight of the film for me

Frederice Chopin - Prelude No. 15 in D flat major Op. 28.	Small | Large

Thats how I remember the old Alien, using classical music for the opening when they all wake up, showing some of the first images of the ship

Mozart - Serenade No. 13 for Strings in G major, K. 525 'Eine kleine Nachtmusik' II	Small | Large

Music aside, Prometheus is not a bad movie. Im all for a movie that does not have a concrete ending or meaning, one that you debate with friends and go back and forth with theories. However, loose storytelling and lack of plot structure does not make it deep or meaningful.

I just read a massive article that some people are interpreting why the Engineers were so mad is because we killed Jesus. Who they sent to earth to keep an eye on us. Yeah. Thats stretching it.

At the end of the day they left too much shit unanswered, and not in a good way leading up to a sequel. All the questions people are asking are speculative, and the sequel will be 5 years away. Fun.

A little bit of Alien/Xenomorph lore im confused with.

Basically, the xenomorph takes a different form based on who the "host" is. So when it takes over the dog, it becomes 4 legged etc. Apparently in one of the Alien vs Predator movies a xenomorph impregnates a Predator and form some sort of hybrid? Ive never seen them though



So my question, what is the "xenomorph" form that spawned from the Engineers? We see the bodies that had been chest bursted,  Is it that snake-like thing? That looks like an early form of the black-goo.

Why was there a xenomorph painting/sculpture on that wall of the large chamber room?

[kellen]

Thanks for posting the music during the Fassbender bit Frisco.  Good stuff.

Also, after sleeping on it I've come to the realization that I don't hate the film or anything like that, sure I was disappointed at parts but it was a good bit of fun despite some troubles with the story.  I'll most likely pick the blu-ray up when its released.  I suppose beggars can't be choosers and a new addition to the Alien family is better than films like what to expect when you're expecting, think like a man, and all the other crap that comes out monthly from Hollywood.

[saucy ragu]

A little bit of Alien/Xenomorph lore im confused with.

Basically, the xenomorph takes a different form based on who the "host" is. So when it takes over the dog, it becomes 4 legged etc. Apparently in one of the Alien vs Predator movies a xenomorph impregnates a Predator and form some sort of hybrid? Ive never seen them though



So my question, what is the "xenomorph" form that spawned from the Engineers? We see the bodies that had been chest bursted,  Is it that snake-like thing? That looks like an early form of the black-goo.

Why was there a xenomorph painting/sculpture on that wall of the large chamber room?

The snake-like facehuggers were spawned from the worms/maggots seen as they first enter the room, by David's foot. The article I posted earlier suggests that was an early form of the Alien Queen.

I'm still confused as to why Fitfield became mutated and insane by the facehugger, Holloway deteriorated and died like the opening shot Engineer (what's the story with that too?), and why the final Engineer was able to birth the alien. Was it all rapid evolution? I just don't understand the difference and haven't come across any articles explaining it in the few articles I've come across.

[Beer Keg Peg Leg]

I guessed at the Jesus thing too. When Shaw carbon dates the dead Space Jockey it is "around 2000 years old, give or take", which I doubt the writers chose arbitrarily given the significance of that era in Christian mythology . Later on, when Shaw (whom we are constantly reminded is a 'person of faith') is pleading with the Space Jockey it seems like she may have similar suspicions, but doesn't know for sure. Was it a remarkable piece of acting or am I just looking too far into it? I don't know, but that's the best thing about these kind of movies.

Edit: This is an interesting read. I don't agree with every conclusion of this analysis, but check it out. http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/

[buttpirate]

watched it twice, it's enjoyable if you don't ask too many questions about the plot holes. and michael fassbender kills it.

the main thing bothering me is, why would the engineers go through all the trouble on earth to leave a map to their military facility?

[dude]

watched it twice, it's enjoyable if you don't ask too many questions about the plot holes. and michael fassbender kills it.

the main thing bothering me is, why would the engineers go through all the trouble on earth to leave a map to their military facility?

This. Also, how come Shaw's alien fetus didn't look more human? Besides having human-like eyes, it was basically a giant squid

[sven thorkel]

Why was there a xenomorph painting/sculpture on that wall of the large chamber room?

im thinking that the engineers had experimented with this goo before and the xenomorph was the most interesting result. if the moon in the movie is just a minor military installation, they probably have tons of these planets or moons all over the place and they were probably doing similar experiments with them.

I'm still confused as to why Fitfield became mutated and insane by the facehugger, Holloway deteriorated and died like the opening shot Engineer (what's the story with that too?), and why the final Engineer was able to birth the alien. Was it all rapid evolution? I just don't understand the difference and haven't come across any articles explaining it in the few articles I've come across.

my interpretation is that the opening scene is used to explain the origin of life on earth. his DNA got broken apart, then i reformed, cells formed then started dividing.

and i don't really buy into the whole "they killed jesus" thing. i like to think that the engineers wanted to eliminate humans because we had the potential to rival them, and they wanted to get rid of us before things got out of hand

say what you want about this movie, but it sure has sparked some interesting debate

[CATZ]

Why was there a xenomorph painting/sculpture on that wall of the large chamber room?

im thinking that the engineers had experimented with this goo before and the xenomorph was the most interesting result. if the moon in the movie is just a minor military installation, they probably have tons of these planets or moons all over the place and they were probably doing similar experiments with them.

I'm still confused as to why Fitfield became mutated and insane by the facehugger, Holloway deteriorated and died like the opening shot Engineer (what's the story with that too?), and why the final Engineer was able to birth the alien. Was it all rapid evolution? I just don't understand the difference and haven't come across any articles explaining it in the few articles I've come across.

my interpretation is that the opening scene is used to explain the origin of life on earth. his DNA got broken apart, then i reformed, cells formed then started dividing.

and i don't really buy into the whole "they killed jesus" thing. i like to think that the engineers wanted to eliminate humans because we had the potential to rival them, and they wanted to get rid of us before things got out of hand

say what you want about this movie, but it sure has sparked some interesting debate

Ive read some fain based stuff before prometheus came out explaining that the xenomoprhs as biological weapons for the engineers, if that was true, im thinking the engineers just created life on earth and maybe other planets to simply host their biological weapons which would explain the ship filled with the black goo traveling to earth at the end. I dunno im just going off here because it seems sorta silly for the last engineer to try and go back to earth and harvest the xenomorphs when they presumably killed the last engineers at the base.

The jesus thing seems a little far fetched to me, but simply creating humans to be hosts for aliens might explain why he had no interest in talking to them and just wanted them dead.. and yeah i was so unsure about the movie to start off with but trying to understand it is half the fun

[Beer Keg Peg Leg]

Even if it's not 'the jesus thing', there are clues deliberately left to make us consider it. There just too much emphasis placed on Shaw's religiosity and the Engineer mission to destroy humanity being 2,000 years old.


Oh, and there's this
Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an ?our children are misbehaving down there? scenario, there are moments where it looks like we?ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.

[smokecrack]

Even if it's not 'the jesus thing', there are clues deliberately left to make us consider it. There just too much emphasis placed on Shaw's religiosity and the Engineer mission to destroy humanity being 2,000 years old.


Oh, and there's this
Movies.com: We had heard it was scripted that the Engineers were targeting our planet for destruction because we had crucified one of their representatives, and that Jesus Christ might have been an alien. Was that ever considered?

Ridley Scott: We definitely did, and then we thought it was a little too on the nose. But if you look at it as an ?our children are misbehaving down there? scenario, there are moments where it looks like we?ve gone out of control, running around with armor and skirts, which of course would be the Roman Empire. And they were given a long run. A thousand years before their disintegration actually started to happen. And you can say, "Let's send down one more of our emissaries to see if he can stop it." Guess what? They crucified him.

i was just about to post this. the Jesus angle seems pretty legitimate, especially after reading what Scott had to say about it.

this was my most anticipated film of the year and i am pretty damn pleased with it. i had so many expectations, but i went into this movie as open-minded as possible. i love watching a movie and leaving the theater with so many different questions and theories. everyone i saw Prometheus with was hyped afterwards. of course it has it's missteps, but i consider it a success. can't wait to see if they decide to do another one.

[Beer Keg Peg Leg]

Yeah. I mean, who knows if thats the case or not but it certainly is a deliberately painted scenario that could be the case.

[mcpeepants]

Went and saw it a second time (3D this time) and a lot more made sense having read some of the possible explanations. Assuming the religion/Jesus ties were accurate. Things were also a lot more interesting the second time around. As someone else mentioned, I'm still bothered by the lack of attachment to the majority of the cast. I understand that some characters are created just to introduce different parts of the plot (eg. the dude with the glasses that first got attached by the serpents. He wasn't that important except for remembering that he was the first to be attacked. The dude that was with him? not so important, just another casualty.) I feel like he (the smoker/tattoo head) could have been left out altogether. The only reason I remember the "lesser" cast members was because of their accents or distinguishing traits... the scottish lady, tattoo head guy, hipster 50's glasses guy, asian and white guy gambling buddies, and the sarcastic yet serious black captain. Overall though, I loved it.

[Sleazy]

thought it was good. enjoyed the fact that not every question was answered and wasn't bothered by music or sub-plots. delievered in the areas i wanted it to deliever and was heads and shoulders above everything else from scifi genre recently. i liked that they dabbled with existentialism but didn't do a deep dive and unlike all the people who didn't like it, i really enjoyed not having the concepts fleshed out or beat to death the way they did in inception. it's much more interesting to have concepts introduced that leave room for discussion than it is to be lectured to. or atleast that's my preference.

and i don't get why people are so worked up about why they were coming back. "you have to kill to create..." i thought that was addressed.

[HATE!]

[url]http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/24147/-prometheus-disc-has-30-mins-more9/url]

[frisco]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/24147/-prometheus-disc-has-30-mins-more9

[HATE!]

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/24147/-prometheus-disc-has-30-mins-more9

Whoops, thanks for that, must've deleted that last backslash. 

[sfa]

man, reading this has me even more hyped than I was on the movie!

[Sleazy]

i'm assuming this is the jesus article: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

this guy definitely nailed a lot of the themes and imagery in the film although a lot of the conculsions he draws, jesus etc..., are obviously open to interpretation. but this is the kind of thing that makes a film like this so interesting for me is that you can spend time talking about the open questions. but it just depends on what you like to get out of a film, for me this was great and i can't wait to see it again. it's also the first time i've been bumed about not seeing a film in 3d.