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[LOU.502]

I wish billy idol was my dad 

[S.E.]

Young Joseph Stalin was hot

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

Just read this and it adds to what I was saying before about how easily manipulated resource prices are, it already happens. Check this out:
"JP Morgan is rumored to hold 50->80% of the copper market, and manipulated the market by massive purchases. JP Morgan (JPM) is also guilty of manipulating the silver market to make billions."
They source each claim with a linked article here:

JP Morgan is rumored to hold 50->80% of the copper market, and manipulated the market by massive purchases. JP Morgan (JPM) is also guilty of manipulating the silver market to make billions.

An interesting article, it point out that JP Morgan holds over $70 trillion in derivatives exposure, and the world economy is about $70 trillion total. So basically we are fucked again, its not a matter of if but when.

[tb303]

 It makes it clear that a gold standard favors the elites.
 

This is the stupidest thing I have read on these forums, if I knew how to neg you I would.

I feel sorry for the people you claim to be teaching.

[mongomaestro]

yea. i think manipulating fiat value is a bit more conveniently effortless than manipulating resource values...

so instead of making them stack the deck, well let em package the cards, shuffle, then deal?  and place your bets for you?


i think dr paul is against ANY monoply on currency... just especially those with absolutely no oversight...


wasnt it a bit interesting what was "discovered" with only that partial audit of the federal reserve that dr. paul rallied for?

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

The Fed has a hundred times more oversight than resource based currency. That's the whole point. Paul hates the fact that there are a bunch of bureaucrats deciding on the value of money and would rather just let it float. That's the entire basis for all of his economic policy, leave regulators out and let the market decide. His exact argument is that no man is smart enough to decide the value of money.
He can be against monopolies all he wants, though in resource markets its called cornering, and it happens all the time.

[mongomaestro]

most of what you say is right...  yet, i think it is the lack of oversight of those bureaucrats that dr. paul takes issue with in this instance...

[Beer Keg Peg Leg]

stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker

[gutterhead.]

 It makes it clear that a gold standard favors the elites.
 

This is the stupidest thing I have read on these forums, if I knew how to neg you I would.

I feel sorry for the people you claim to be teaching.

you just earned yourself a -1 everytime i come across one of your posts

[mongomaestro]

stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker

if youre gonna jump on my nuts, gargle already douchette.


bow to the good doctor.    and bite your tongue when you see grown folks conversin...   


id rather have a $5 silver certificate than a $5 federal reserve note...  doesnt take a textbook indoctrination or studying the evil that men do aka "economics" to come to such an obvious conclusion...       

[Beer Keg Peg Leg]

grown folks? in serious academic debate among 'grown folks' I usually see academic sources cited as evidence of claims. But you are gargling so much of "Dr. Paul's" propaganda that you probably think the academic establishment is bought out by the globalist green Illuminati federal reserve. You are fucking retarded and should never again make the mistake of thinking your intellect is above that of a child. You and your buddies have been repeatedly clowned on in this thread by actual smart people making actual arguments, and yet you still come back with this pretentious notion that you know how the world works.

[mongomaestro]

lol.

clowned?

my buddies?

serious "academic" debate?

pretentious?


ahahhahahhahahahhah...



nice rant, but it tells more about you than it does me with your prefab arguement that doesnt fit...   


feel free to add some substance instead of chastising and cheerleading anytime you feel capable...     


maybe i missed your expression of superior intellect...        

[chockfullofthat]

You're a patient man, Gipper.  To think I almost turned out like TheRealDeal.  Ron Paul played a part in my initial interest in politics but I was able to find out on my own how full of shit he is.  I started reading this scary fractional reserve lending/ fiat interest book, Web of Debt by Ellen Brown (a lawyer btw, not an economist) and probably could've turned out like you had I not stopped to think about insane the claims she was making sounded.  Thankfully, I dodged a bullet, and I stopped reading these conspiracy theorists, revisionists, and fringe economists.  I suggest you stop watching worthless tripe like the Secret of Oz and pick up an actual economics or banking textbook written by actual economists and professionals with a background in finance.

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

Mongo, You just failed to define economics.
Shut.
The.
Fuck.
Up.

stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker

if youre gonna jump on my nuts, gargle already douchette.


bow to the good doctor.� � and bite your tongue when you see grown folks conversin...� �


id rather have a $5 silver certificate than a $5 federal reserve note...� doesnt take a textbook indoctrination or studying the evil that men do aka "economics" to come to such an obvious conclusion...� � � �

Exactly, somebody who can't even define economics, let alone understand them would think that he would rather have a $5 certificate for a commodity JP Morgan has cornered than a regulated $5 bill. Yes, you are brainwashed, as the very basics don't register with you. Books don't always brainwash you, sometimes they teach you basic concepts to help you understand the world around you. You skipped the basics of econ and went straight to Ron Paul's brainwashing. Also, you completely lack all common sense in the study of economics.

I think you need to learn to bite your own tongue when grown folks are conversing.

This proves my point exactly. Thank you.

and "Dr. Paul" is an Ob/gyn, he doesn't exactly have a PhD in econ from University of Chicago, so his Doctor status means nothing. Everybody I know with a doctorate thinks its particularly douchey and tacky when people want to be called Dr. in conversations outside of their practice.
So it would make sense if it was like "Dr. there is a layer of cheese growing on my vagina!" but not "Dr. Paul claims if you shove enough copper up your ass you'll shit pennies"

[mongomaestro]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA....


at least its someone with a tangible arguement expressing their frustration with my statements this time....     


too bad the strawman focus seems to be the insignificant embellishment that wasnt half as straightfaced as your self righteousness...   

lol.  rather having what is worth more is brainwashed?   hahaha...  you must be an ollaaaaaaaaaaaama supporter...   

too bad ron paul has more economic insight than the annointed puppet...  and like he says, verbally and portfolio-wise... id rather invest in gold than us savings bonds...


all day everyday.  throughout the majority of history...   and without a textbook or a phd...       

[Fenzadill]

bartering with drugs works pretty good.

[mongomaestro]

bartering with drugs works pretty good.

federal reserve cronies do not approve.   

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA....


at least its someone with a tangible arguement expressing their frustration with my statements this time....     


too bad the strawman focus seems to be the insignificant embellishment that wasnt half as straightfaced as your self righteousness...   

lol.  rather having what is worth more is brainwashed?   hahaha...  you must be an ollaaaaaaaaaaaama supporter...   

too bad ron paul has more economic insight than the annointed puppet...  and like he says, verbally and portfolio-wise... id rather invest in gold than us savings bonds...


all day everyday.  throughout the majority of history...   and without a textbook or a phd...       

So, ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, statement I already discredited. I think it is clear I have the more solid arguments here.
You also make my argument clear when you say you trust Paul more than Obama. I don't trust either, I actually study economics and match the knowledge I have up to what they say. I don't just go with the more charismatic speaker.
You need to shut the fuck up and read a basic econ book, you are just making yourself look dumber and dumber.

[DaSk8D00D]

This is the stupidest thing I have read on these forums, if I knew how to neg you I would.

I feel sorry for the people you claim to be teaching.

I always laugh when people say shit like this on here. Sorry dog, but you ain't even got enough clout to do such things. getcha weight up before you get ya hate up lil guy

[HATE!]

stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker

Hahaha!  Bugs you too, huh?  That shit cracks me up as well.  It's both corny and sycophantic. 

[TMKF]

Gipper there is obviously a philosophic disagreement here. The one item you left out in your interpretation of 'The Wizard of Oz' was of course the man behind the curtain. Yes the original story was critical of gold and silver, because it can be manipulated and as I pointed out isn't perfect, however it seems to me that a resouce based currency would be much harder to manipulate than fiat currency, because currency could just be printed on unlimited paper or numbers in a computer. As far as Ron Paul is concerned, he just wants gold and silver to be able to legally and fairly compete with paper currency again, not to do away with the federal reserve system overnight. Also you don't think that it's not only legitimate idea but necessary to audit such a group? I mean as I said any one of us or any of the government departments can and do get audited, so why not them?

I don't see what it is about The Federal Reserve system you like you much and trust. It is a fact that in 2008-2009 under TARP they lended 15 trillion dollars to large banks and corporations(their friends) at 0% interest, which is corporate welfare. You even said yourself that you were critical of the policies of corporate welfare, but the Fed is an unelected and private group, with a huge lack of transperancy and they handle the vast majoirty of our monetary policy. Therefore if they decide to continue those corporate welfare policies you or any of us as American citizens cannot do anything about it or change it, that doesn't bother you? This unelected group decides how our future tax dollars will be spent chooses the winners and losers without any oversight or audit, and you're okay with this enough to defend it? I don't see how that's possible unless you just feel like its so important to your 'left wing' label to not abandon this obvious corrupt policy.

[mongomaestro]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA....


at least its someone with a tangible arguement expressing their frustration with my statements this time....?  ?  ? 


too bad the strawman focus seems to be the insignificant embellishment that wasnt half as straightfaced as your self righteousness...?  ? 

lol.?  rather having what is worth more is brainwashed??  ? hahaha...?  you must be an ollaaaaaaaaaaaama supporter...?  ? 

too bad ron paul has more economic insight than the annointed puppet...?  and like he says, verbally and portfolio-wise... id rather invest in gold than us savings bonds...


all day everyday.?  throughout the majority of history...?  ? and without a textbook or a phd...?  ?  ?  ? 

So, ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, ad hominem, statement I already discredited. I think it is clear I have the more solid arguments here.
You also make my argument clear when you say you trust Paul more than Obama. I don't trust either, I actually study economics and match the knowledge I have up to what they say. I don't just go with the more charismatic speaker.
You need to shut the fuck up and read a basic econ book, you are just making yourself look dumber and dumber.

lol @ you acting above ad hominemisms... ROFL...


read all the books you want smart guy.

doesnt take a phd to deduce that the federal reserve doesnt and wasnt put there to serve the average person... ?  or that gold prices are harder to fix than fiat cabal's ones and zeros...


criticizing the usage of dr. instead of addressing concepts is about as significant as spelling and grammer nazism... ? but have at it... ? 


word up...

gold investments > us savings bonds

silver certificates > federal reserve notes

the historical value of gold ? > the evolution of the value of our fiat currency


UNDISPUTABLE.


now what chapter were you on again, and do you have any specific recommendations of reading? ?  ?  ? 

[chockfullofthat]

^ just ignore him, he'll go away.

[TMKF]

The Fed has a hundred times more oversight than resource based currency. That's the whole point. Paul hates the fact that there are a bunch of bureaucrats deciding on the value of money and would rather just let it float. That's the entire basis for all of his economic policy, leave regulators out and let the market decide. His exact argument is that no man is smart enough to decide the value of money.
He can be against monopolies all he wants, though in resource markets its called cornering, and it happens all the time.

Wait an minute Gipper the Fed has virtually no oversight, they oversee themselves, how's that not a conflict of interst? Does it not bother you that this bunch of bureaucrats decide the value of OUR dollar? Would you rather it be left up to them and not us? I mean bureaucrats don't have a good track record Gipper. Cornering is always a concern with commodeties, and that is its imperfection, however you can't corner something that is unlimited and has no oversight with this the problem can just build and build until the problem becomes catostrophic and is beyond repair.

Fiat currencies have failed countless times this is also a wonder to me why you back them so hard, I mean the average life expectancy for a fiat currency is 30 years. Look at Argentina, Zimbabwe and Germany just to name a few, you think American is immune to this kind of hyperinflation? Especially at the rate you want us to spend and print?

'Spending your way' out of debt just sounds like pure propaganda to me.....however we'll never come to an agreement except to disagree.

[TMKF]

You're a patient man, Gipper.?  To think I almost turned out like TheRealDeal.?  Ron Paul played a part in my initial interest in politics but I was able to find out on my own how full of shit he is.?  I started reading this scary fractional reserve lending/ fiat interest book, Web of Debt by Ellen Brown (a lawyer btw, not an economist) and probably could've turned out like you had I not stopped to think about insane the claims she was making sounded.?  Thankfully, I dodged a bullet, and I stopped reading these conspiracy theorists, revisionists, and fringe economists.?  I suggest you stop watching worthless tripe like the Secret of Oz and pick up an actual economics or banking textbook written by actual economists and professionals with a background in finance.

Oh yes because you need to be a 'professional' or have a degree that claims you're some sort of expert to use common sense. You're just bummed because you had an overwhelming feeling that you were on a losing team and the thought of that scared you into your conformism, so now you laugh about it and act all pompous like its all beneath you. Anything can be a construed as a  'conspiracy theory', and it doesn't even matter if the theory is true or not, just the fact that it's being discussed and theorized at all by free and independent minds is never a bad thing. What is a 'conspiracy theory' anyway? It's a term that people who fear the truth use to try to discredit the empowered.

[chockfullofthat]

You're a patient man, Gipper.??  To think I almost turned out like TheRealDeal.??  Ron Paul played a part in my initial interest in politics but I was able to find out on my own how full of shit he is.??  I started reading this scary fractional reserve lending/ fiat interest book, Web of Debt by Ellen Brown (a lawyer btw, not an economist) and probably could've turned out like you had I not stopped to think about insane the claims she was making sounded.??  Thankfully, I dodged a bullet, and I stopped reading these conspiracy theorists, revisionists, and fringe economists.??  I suggest you stop watching worthless tripe like the Secret of Oz and pick up an actual economics or banking textbook written by actual economists and professionals with a background in finance.

Oh yes because you need to be a 'professional' or have a degree that claims you're some sort of expert to use common sense. You're just bummed because you had an overwhelming feeling that you were on a losing team and the thought of that scared you into your conformism, so now you laugh about it and act all pompous like its all beneath you. Anything can be a construed as a?  'conspiracy theory', and it doesn't even matter if the theory is true or not, just the fact that it's being discussed and theorized at all by free and independent minds is never a bad thing. What is a 'conspiracy theory' anyway? It's a term that people who fear the truth use to try to discredit the empowered.

When you are making decisions that could make or break the global economy I would hope that a Nobel Prize winner in Economics was in charge and not a gynaecologist.  I recommend that you read this discussion on Amazon.com for Ron Paul's book "End the Fed."  Gipper is good at explaining some of these points but this man is just as good if not better:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2IB97C8SRVEE7/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0446549177&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=#wasThisHelpful

It might save old Gip some time too.  Hyperinflation is not something you should be afraid of in this country.

By conspiracy theory I wasn't refering to anything that was specifically said.  I was just saying that some of the things that Bill Stills and Ron Paul say belong in the same fantasy discussions that the New World Order, Rothschild, and the Bank of England conspiracies belong.

[tb303]

This is the stupidest thing I have read on these forums, if I knew how to neg you I would.

I feel sorry for the people you claim to be teaching.

I always laugh when people say shit like this on here. Sorry dog, but you ain't even got enough clout to do such things. getcha weight up before you get ya hate up lil guy

 Yo fly cat like a g6 nigga haven't you got some big hit to work on that your legions of fans are waiting for? got another awesome bedroom producer mate of yours to use garage band for your mad beats puppy daaaaaaaaawg? wigidy wigidy

in general , fuck off the adults are talking.

[TMKF]

stop calling hiim dr. paul you dick sucker

Hahaha!?  Bugs you too, huh??  That shit cracks me up as well.?  It's both corny and sycophantic.? 

Why would it bug you to refer to someone as a doctor when they are in fact a doctor? That's not corny and is certainly not sycophantic, what a completely idiotic and childish statement.

[TMKF]

You're a patient man, Gipper.  To think I almost turned out like TheRealDeal.  Ron Paul played a part in my initial interest in politics but I was able to find out on my own how full of shit he is.  I started reading this scary fractional reserve lending/ fiat interest book, Web of Debt by Ellen Brown (a lawyer btw, not an economist) and probably could've turned out like you had I not stopped to think about insane the claims she was making sounded.  Thankfully, I dodged a bullet, and I stopped reading these conspiracy theorists, revisionists, and fringe economists.  I suggest you stop watching worthless tripe like the Secret of Oz and pick up an actual economics or banking textbook written by actual economists and professionals with a background in finance.

Oh yes because you need to be a 'professional' or have a degree that claims you're some sort of expert to use common sense. You're just bummed because you had an overwhelming feeling that you were on a losing team and the thought of that scared you into your conformism, so now you laugh about it and act all pompous like its all beneath you. Anything can be a construed as a??  'conspiracy theory', and it doesn't even matter if the theory is true or not, just the fact that it's being discussed and theorized at all by free and independent minds is never a bad thing. What is a 'conspiracy theory' anyway? It's a term that people who fear the truth use to try to discredit the empowered.

When you are making decisions that could make or break the global economy I would hope that a Nobel Prize winner in Economics was in charge and not a gynaecologist.?  I recommend that you read this discussion on Amazon.com for Ron Paul's book "End the Fed."?  Gipper is good at explaining some of these points but this man is just as good if not better:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2IB97C8SRVEE7/ref=cm_cr_pr_cmt?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0446549177&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=#wasThisHelpful

It might save old Gip some time too.?  Hyperinflation is not something you should be afraid of in this country.

By conspiracy theory I wasn't refering to anything that was specifically said.?  I was just saying that some of the things that Bill Stills and Ron Paul say belong in the same fantasy discussions that the New World Order, Rothschild, and the Bank of England conspiracies belong.

Ahhh yes, since the Nobel prize winners have always been so great over the years...I mean shit Henry Kissinger has was a Nobel prize winner, I'm sure you're more than happy with him as a foreign policy advisor, I mean he is one of your 'professionals" and is certainly an "expert right? He's just created so much peace and done so much good for America and the world. While I'm on the subject of Kissinger, if the 'New World Order' movement is in fact a fantasy as you say than I suppose someone should tell him....

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