SLAP Politics - Who Is Better For Working Class?

[Buddha]

Uplifting the working class out of serfdom would be much better than just pandering to their grievances and self interest to serve some political ends.  I don't think either side of the political spectrum (they aren't that far apart) are helping the working class in this fashion, both benefit greatly from keeping the poor poor and the middle class eroding.  A good start would be eliminating the barriers for the working poor to become small business owners/entrepreneurs , lowered taxes etc. as well as a shift in education to facilitate that.   

KRS One - 2nd Quarter Free Throws - I Got Next 1997

 

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

Uplifting the working class out of serfdom would be much better than just pandering to their grievances and self interest to serve some political ends.  I don't think either side of the political spectrum (they aren't that far apart) are helping the working class in this fashion, both benefit greatly from keeping the poor poor and the middle class eroding.  A good start would be eliminating the barriers for the working poor to become small business owners/entrepreneurs , lowered taxes etc. as well as a shift in education to facilitate that.   

KRS One - 2nd Quarter Free Throws - I Got Next 1997


 

You really think every poor person can up and start a small business and that sort of model would be economically viable? Stop reading or listening to that ignorant right wing clap trap. The whole "small business" argument is really just a front and excuse for conservatives to continue supporting big business anyway, but the idea that everybody in America starts a successful business is farcical at best. On top of that, lowered taxes? Yeah, lets cut taxes which poor people tend not to pay, and gut social services that poor people use, that's a GREAT solution! Oh wait, none of those are solutions, they are bullshit ideas the right floats so they can keep serving the elites and pretend like they really want to help working people. They are not solutions, they are ways to sink us deeper.

And that whole "left and right are all the same!" bullshit is just a cop out excuse for not actually paying attention. Right now the left and the right in the U.S. are about as divided and different as they have ever been. Some dumbasses who want to keep supporting business and cutting taxes after big business and low tax rates have publicly and privately bankrupted this nation, they are the ones feeding to you that the right and left are the same.

[jay]

Uplifting the working class out of serfdom would be much better than just pandering to their grievances and self interest to serve some political ends.  I don't think either side of the political spectrum (they aren't that far apart) are helping the working class in this fashion, both benefit greatly from keeping the poor poor and the middle class eroding.  A good start would be eliminating the barriers for the working poor to become small business owners/entrepreneurs , lowered taxes etc. as well as a shift in education to facilitate that.   

KRS One - 2nd Quarter Free Throws - I Got Next 1997


 

You really think every poor person can up and start a small business and that sort of model would be economically viable? Stop reading or listening to that ignorant right wing clap trap. The whole "small business" argument is really just a front and excuse for conservatives to continue supporting big business anyway, but the idea that everybody in America starts a successful business is farcical at best. On top of that, lowered taxes? Yeah, lets cut taxes which poor people tend not to pay, and gut social services that poor people use, that's a GREAT solution! Oh wait, none of those are solutions, they are bullshit ideas the right floats so they can keep serving the elites and pretend like they really want to help working people. They are not solutions, they are ways to sink us deeper.

And that whole "left and right are all the same!" bullshit is just a cop out excuse for not actually paying attention. Right now the left and the right in the U.S. are about as divided and different as they have ever been. Some dumbasses who want to keep supporting business and cutting taxes after big business and low tax rates have publicly and privately bankrupted this nation, they are the ones feeding to you that the right and left are the same.

Small businesses constitute the majority of American businesses and employ the majority of American workers. 

[steve]

Hedges is to the point right here-

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/9112-why-the-occupy-movement-frightens-the-corporate-elite

The response of the corporate state will ultimately determine the parameters and composition of rebellion. I pray we replicate the 1989 nonviolent revolutions that overthrew the communist regimes in Eastern Europe. But this is not in my hands or yours. Go ahead and vote this November. But don't waste any more time or energy on the presidential election than it takes to get to your polling station and pull a lever for a third-party candidate?just enough to register your obstruction and defiance?and then get back out onto the street. That is where the question of real power is being decided.

[weedpop]

You really think every poor person can up and start a small business and that sort of model would be economically viable? Stop reading or listening to that ignorant right wing clap trap. The whole "small business" argument is really just a front and excuse for conservatives to continue supporting big business anyway, but the idea that everybody in America starts a successful business is farcical at best. On top of that, lowered taxes? Yeah, lets cut taxes which poor people tend not to pay, and gut social services that poor people use, that's a GREAT solution! Oh wait, none of those are solutions, they are bullshit ideas the right floats so they can keep serving the elites and pretend like they really want to help working people. They are not solutions, they are ways to sink us deeper.

And that whole "left and right are all the same!" bullshit is just a cop out excuse for not actually paying attention. Right now the left and the right in the U.S. are about as divided and different as they have ever been. Some dumbasses who want to keep supporting business and cutting taxes after big business and low tax rates have publicly and privately bankrupted this nation, they are the ones feeding to you that the right and left are the same.

Small businesses constitute the majority of American businesses and employ the majority of American workers. 

This may be true but to me it's pretty obvious that most conservative politicians have been using their purported love of small businesses to justify proposals that are designed to benefit large corporations. As we know, campaign contributions from these massive industries greatly exceed those from small business owners; it's not really a mystery where these politicians loyalties lie.

[skate_bored]

^ For several years now the number of unemployed people in the U.S. has vastly outnumbered the number of jobs available. Traditionally, you get 6 months on unemployment before the faucet gets turned off, but there have been several extensions added to help deal with the weak economy. There are supposed to be guards to make sure people are still looking for work, you are supposed to meet with an EDD agent like weekly or something to show them the progress you have tried to make finding a job, or you get cut off. The joke is that a lot of people work harder trying to figure out scams to stay on unemployment than they would if they just bucked up and got a job. Unfortunately though, our current circumstances require larger actions so that those unemployed people don't end up on the streets robbing people who actually do have a job. Seriously, that's why programs like that started, street urchins were robbing people constantly for food money back in the day.

Your grandmother doesn't get unemployment, she gets social security. I think everybody would agree with you that it is far different

I understand why we have it, and I was kind of drunk ranting haha. I guess I just feel like people feel too entitled to get a job that they don't think is "good enough" for them so they continue to find ways to take advantage of the system. My grandmother is on unemployment AND social security. She was laid off from her job around the same time she turned 66. Social security is a joke too! She doesn't even get enough to pay her mortgage, let alone live off. Shes looking pretty hard for a job that she can actually do at her age, hopefully she'll find something mellow that suits her.

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

Uplifting the working class out of serfdom would be much better than just pandering to their grievances and self interest to serve some political ends.  I don't think either side of the political spectrum (they aren't that far apart) are helping the working class in this fashion, both benefit greatly from keeping the poor poor and the middle class eroding.  A good start would be eliminating the barriers for the working poor to become small business owners/entrepreneurs , lowered taxes etc. as well as a shift in education to facilitate that.   

KRS One - 2nd Quarter Free Throws - I Got Next 1997


 

You really think every poor person can up and start a small business and that sort of model would be economically viable? Stop reading or listening to that ignorant right wing clap trap. The whole "small business" argument is really just a front and excuse for conservatives to continue supporting big business anyway, but the idea that everybody in America starts a successful business is farcical at best. On top of that, lowered taxes? Yeah, lets cut taxes which poor people tend not to pay, and gut social services that poor people use, that's a GREAT solution! Oh wait, none of those are solutions, they are bullshit ideas the right floats so they can keep serving the elites and pretend like they really want to help working people. They are not solutions, they are ways to sink us deeper.

And that whole "left and right are all the same!" bullshit is just a cop out excuse for not actually paying attention. Right now the left and the right in the U.S. are about as divided and different as they have ever been. Some dumbasses who want to keep supporting business and cutting taxes after big business and low tax rates have publicly and privately bankrupted this nation, they are the ones feeding to you that the right and left are the same.

Small businesses constitute the majority of American businesses and employ the majority of American workers. 

So? There is a huge difference between working at a small business and owning one. He said become entrepreneurs to start small businesses, which is way different than becoming a clerk at the local boutique. That's my point. He's not talking about helping the workers at small businesses earn a living wage, he's repeating the idea that we need to lift regulations to help small businesses start, which will lift the poor out of poverty. Thats not really true at all, its just a bullshit right wing excuse for why we should get rid of regulations, and it holds no water as a solution to poverty. Lifting regulations simply allows business to exploit workers more, and like I said before, we can't all be managers without workers, society doesn't work like that.

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green party

but there aren't any solutions at this point. like george carlin said - this country was bought and paid for a long time ago

[Citizen on Patron]

green party

but there aren't any solutions at this point. like george carlin said - this country was bought and paid for a long time ago

Well we bought our country but never paid for it because we burrowed money from the British Empire to start our country and make our first Central Bank, but there's an insane amount of tax that makes it impossible to ever be free from their debt.

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green party

but there aren't any solutions at this point. like george carlin said - this country was bought and paid for a long time ago

Well we bought our country but never paid for it because we burrowed money from the British Empire to start our country and make our first Central Bank, but there's an insane amount of tax that makes it impossible to ever be free from their debt.

this sounds like fiction without any basis in history

[weedpop]

Yes, please explain how receiving money from taxation would prevent the U.S. government from paying off its sovereign debt to Britain.

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

green party

but there aren't any solutions at this point. like george carlin said - this country was bought and paid for a long time ago

Well we bought our country but never paid for it because we burrowed money from the British Empire to start our country and make our first Central Bank, but there's an insane amount of tax that makes it impossible to ever be free from their debt.

this sounds like fiction without any basis in history

Yes, it is. I'm pretty sure he is being sarcastic, considering the fact that the first national bank hasn't existed for like 200 years.

[Citizen on Patron]

green party

but there aren't any solutions at this point. like george carlin said - this country was bought and paid for a long time ago

Well we bought our country but never paid for it because we burrowed money from the British Empire to start our country and make our first Central Bank, but there's an insane amount of tax that makes it impossible to ever be free from their debt.

this sounds like fiction without any basis in history

Yes, it is. I'm pretty sure he is being sarcastic, considering the fact that the first national bank hasn't existed for like 200 years.

You caught that one did you?



In 1765, the Bank of England demanded that the American Colonies pay taxes in British specie or coins which the people did not possess. If they had borrowed from the Bank of England to pay the tax, the end result would have been the same: foreclosure and bankruptcy with the Bank owning everything

The "Federal" Reserve Bank loans the U.S. government their own "money" at usury or interest

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

No it doesn't you fucking idiot. The fed loans money to private banks as an agent for the government. So basically the exact same thing, but the opposite.
Number one frustration of this past year: the miseducation and brainwashing of "fed experts" who don't even know its basic function.

[Citizen on Patron]

Are you talking about the balance between private banks and the responsibility of our government?

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

What? Dude, read a fucking book.

[Citizen on Patron]

What? Dude, read a fucking book.

I've read many books man

Every different book you read about a similar subject each will be different from the other man. You then take the knowledge from everything you've read, then associate it with actual documented events, that sir is your supporting evidence. I'm not trying to be rude but you sound as though you try and repeat what you see and hear 100 percent. It's not a bad thing but sometimes you miss understand and miss place information. Or maybe you have yet to obtain the bits of knowledge you require.

[weedpop]

You, on the other hand, have literally not demonstrated one piece of accurate, functional knowledge about these things that you claim to be an expert on. Citing intellectual relativism without actually responding to anyone's points doesn't make you look any better either. "Repeating exactly what you see and hear 100 percent" is basically what you've been doing in every post, except you're borrowing (not burrowing) from shittier sources.

[sleepypancakes]

The cycle of poverty in this country is insane, how would cutting social welfare programs that help the poor do anything positive? The ideal of cutting things like the National Endowment for the Arts and the Department of Education are asinine attempts by (mostly Paulites) to "clean up" the deficit. Cutting things that are necessary for progression in industry and knowledge as well as letting the poor stay poor and using detrimental cuts will do nothing to help the "American Dream" I've heard so many right wingers preach.

[Citizen on Patron]

You, on the other hand, have literally not demonstrated one piece of accurate, functional knowledge about these things that you claim to be an expert on. Citing intellectual relativism without actually responding to anyone's points doesn't make you look any better either. "Repeating exactly what you see and hear 100 percent" is basically what you've been doing in every post, except you're borrowing (not burrowing) from shittier sources.

It's funny because I on the other hand actually paid attention in school to require much of the knowledge I've expressed here. You on the other hand must rely solely on books, you have to remember most of the information put down in history books and things of that nature are 50% fiction at best. "Oh my great gran pappy fought in the war and he always used to say! Blah blah blah!" Then you have quotes from presidents and others about wars when they didn't actually ever fight in one. This misguided information is very fun to read but is not all factual, as some might claim. There are other things people have not had the privilege to read that contains many "factual" bits of information, such as testimonies on a subject from more then one stand point. JFK was one of these people that tried to put out factual information that went against the government and went against what had been written in our history books and was killed for having an opinion on the matters. Nothing is fact when it comes to documented information, remember the game telephone? Yeah very similar. Now you suggesting I haven't provided any accurate or functional kmowledge is very relative my man, but it is not the truth. Why don't you reassert your self alittle further.

An example of one of your disbeliefs is denying that the "Federal" Reserve Bank loans us their own money to pay off debt with an interest. That is funny. I never claimed to be an "expert" like you say. I have a stronge opinion maybe but far from an expert. Didn't mean to offend anyone with my opinions.

[chockfullofthat]

Lay off the drugs Hunter S. Thompson.

[sleepypancakes]

You, on the other hand, have literally not demonstrated one piece of accurate, functional knowledge about these things that you claim to be an expert on. Citing intellectual relativism without actually responding to anyone's points doesn't make you look any better either. "Repeating exactly what you see and hear 100 percent" is basically what you've been doing in every post, except you're borrowing (not burrowing) from shittier sources.

It's funny because I on the other hand actually paid attention in school to require much of the knowledge I've expressed here. You on the other hand must rely solely on books, you have to remember most of the information put down in history books and things of that nature are 50% fiction at best. "Oh my great gran pappy fought in the war and he always used to say! Blah blah blah!" Then you have quotes from presidents and others about wars when they didn't actually ever fight in one. This misguided information is very fun to read but is not all factual, as some might claim. There are other things people have not had the privilege to read that contains many "factual" bits of information, such as testimonies on a subject from more then one stand point. JFK was one of these people that tried to put out factual information that went against the government and went against what had been written in our history books and was killed for having an opinion on the matters. Nothing is fact when it comes to documented information, remember the game telephone? Yeah very similar. Now you suggesting I haven't provided any accurate or functional kmowledge is very relative my man, but it is not the truth. Why don't you reassert your self alittle further.

An example of one of your disbeliefs is denying that the "Federal" Reserve Bank loans us their own money to pay off debt with an interest. That is funny. I never claimed to be an "expert" like you say. I have a stronge opinion maybe but far from an expert. Didn't mean to offend anyone with my opinions.

Sooooo if I quote you you lose most of your "factual" existence?

[The Nose Face]

^ For several years now the number of unemployed people in the U.S. has vastly outnumbered the number of jobs available. Traditionally, you get 6 months on unemployment before the faucet gets turned off, but there have been several extensions added to help deal with the weak economy. There are supposed to be guards to make sure people are still looking for work, you are supposed to meet with an EDD agent like weekly or something to show them the progress you have tried to make finding a job, or you get cut off. The joke is that a lot of people work harder trying to figure out scams to stay on unemployment than they would if they just bucked up and got a job. Unfortunately though, our current circumstances require larger actions so that those unemployed people don't end up on the streets robbing people who actually do have a job. Seriously, that's why programs like that started, street urchins were robbing people constantly for food money back in the day.

Your grandmother doesn't get unemployment, she gets social security. I think everybody would agree with you that it is far different

I understand why we have it, and I was kind of drunk ranting haha. I guess I just feel like people feel too entitled to get a job that they don't think is "good enough" for them so they continue to find ways to take advantage of the system. My grandmother is on unemployment AND social security. She was laid off from her job around the same time she turned 66. Social security is a joke too! She doesn't even get enough to pay her mortgage, let alone live off. Shes looking pretty hard for a job that she can actually do at her age, hopefully she'll find something mellow that suits her.

I guess it's way easier to bartend, land scape and sell drugs under the table. I remember seeing a thing on 60 mins with people finally getting jobs, but they end up making less actually working compared to being on unemployment. Seems backward in motivating people to better themselves - I think here in New York unemployment lasts around two years...

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

You, on the other hand, have literally not demonstrated one piece of accurate, functional knowledge about these things that you claim to be an expert on. Citing intellectual relativism without actually responding to anyone's points doesn't make you look any better either. "Repeating exactly what you see and hear 100 percent" is basically what you've been doing in every post, except you're borrowing (not burrowing) from shittier sources.

It's funny because I on the other hand actually paid attention in school to require much of the knowledge I've expressed here. You on the other hand must rely solely on books, you have to remember most of the information put down in history books and things of that nature are 50% fiction at best. "Oh my great gran pappy fought in the war and he always used to say! Blah blah blah!" Then you have quotes from presidents and others about wars when they didn't actually ever fight in one. This misguided information is very fun to read but is not all factual, as some might claim. There are other things people have not had the privilege to read that contains many "factual" bits of information, such as testimonies on a subject from more then one stand point. JFK was one of these people that tried to put out factual information that went against the government and went against what had been written in our history books and was killed for having an opinion on the matters. Nothing is fact when it comes to documented information, remember the game telephone? Yeah very similar. Now you suggesting I haven't provided any accurate or functional kmowledge is very relative my man, but it is not the truth. Why don't you reassert your self alittle further.

An example of one of your disbeliefs is denying that the "Federal" Reserve Bank loans us their own money to pay off debt with an interest. That is funny. I never claimed to be an "expert" like you say. I have a stronge opinion maybe but far from an expert. Didn't mean to offend anyone with my opinions.

Bwahhh hahahahhaha!  First of all, its great that you required a lot of knowledge in school, its just a shame that you didn't acquire any of it.  Again, nothing you said is right. Go to school, read a book, get some education outside of your partisan brainwashing bullshit, then talk to adults about issues.

We can disagree on our perspective on the facts, but not the facts. You are factually incorrect in your understanding of the Fed. Until you actually understand its role and relationship to the Federal government, shut up. Once you do you can argue against it, until then, shut up.

[Citizen on Patron]

How is what I said not true? You have yet to tell me anything

[weedpop]

You on the other hand must rely solely on books, you have to remember most of the information put down in history books and things of that nature are 50% fiction at best. "Oh my great gran pappy fought in the war and he always used to say! Blah blah blah!" Then you have quotes from presidents and others about wars when they didn't actually ever fight in one.

I'm glad that you 'required' so much knowledge from your education, but these are clearly the words of someone who has never taken a history course outside of high school.

An example of one of your disbeliefs is denying that the "Federal" Reserve Bank loans us their own money to pay off debt with an interest. That is funny.

Again, this is factually incorrect. The fed increases the money supply by selling newly minted cash (bills at cost, coins at face value) or by doling out it's "federal reserve" funds digitally to private banks who are part of the system. The U.S. government's primary source of revenue is taxation.

[Citizen on Patron]

Man you guys are so easy to provoke haha. It's funny how you two automatically resorted to a form of transfer propaganda to try and get a point across. Then again I wouldn't expect anything less from the Gipper.


"The U.S. government's primary source of revenue is taxation" need I say more? You contradict yourself don't you see?

[weedpop]

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/revenue.cfm

Income tax + corporate tax etc. accounts for over 50% of the government's total revenue. Don't even pretend that you know what the word "contradict" means.

[holden caulfield]

maybe this 12 year old girl can explain it better (because she definitely wrote this herself):

Victoria Grant

[Citizen on Patron]

HAHAHAHA You faggots are not even on the same subject. Do you even know what we're talking about? You are talking about individual and payrolls taxs being part of our revenue you stupid FUCK. God you guys are amazing little faggot nancys. You were right about that being our major source of REVENUE I'm not going to deny that but you're changing the subject, guy.

You said exactually what I said but you just worded it differently so a fuckin retard may understand it. "The U.S. government's primary source of revenue is taxation"


Let me tell you what happens... as someone else explained that we print out new bills and minted coins and sell them at cost and face value. Correct? Yes that is correct... Why do we sell the money at face value? We accommodate for the loss by collecting tax on the money people earn and the money we print... now then who is buying that money? We are you stupid fuck. WE buy our OWN money and put tax on it you stupid fuckers. The idea is to keep money in circulation so it does not pool. No? Of course you guys don't know that because you are morons. I don't suppose you know who buys the money do you? Hmm well the only people that can "Circulate" the money, (in case you don't know what that means let me help you, it means move it around) are the banks. Now for you fuckers who are going to say some shit like no they loan the money to the bank you can save it.

Have you ever realized how much prices go up each year? It's more then three percent. In case you didn't know... you are supposed to get a raise every year to accommodate to the cost of living. The reason for this is due to inflation. The only way to pay off our debt is through our primary source of revenue, TAXATION like I said.