Family in History

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

^Gip, totally deleted the comment you were responding to because I didn't realize you mentioned that in your other response. For everyone's FYI I said desertion in Nazi Germany and activism in the 60s had different consequences. But to respond to your new comment, yes they did have different consequences! Sure, some fishy things happened to some activists in the 60s but this was reserved for the most powerful voices. In Nazi Germany they were quite diligent in purging dissenters - it was a guarantee.

It is easy say it was the morally right thing to do when you are not in the position to worry about your own life or the lives of your family.

A side note that is a little unrelated, but I think it touches on the coercion that your average foot soldier faces to fight. In WWI the Christmas Truce was an example of soldiers putting aside their differences precisely because the threat of coercion to fight was absent. I only read the synopsis of the Wiki article, and it didn't touch on the fact that the truce happened because the officers left the battlefield. Because of these events, new rules were instated in the British military that officers always had to remain present in battle (not sure if similar changes were made in the German military).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce

No, it wasn't just a few, and no it wasn't just the ones on top. Were those 4 little girls in the birmingham church top leaders of the civil rights movement? No. Were the buses that never completed the freedom rides because the passengers disappeared and the buses were lit on fire leaders? no. The fact was, if you were in the south acting up, you were risking your life. Everybody down there knew that too. The police would attack you if you were lucky enough to face them before the klan made you vanish, and nobody would ever be convicted of the murders.
Here's the fucked up fact of it, despite the rules and all that shit, most Germans did support the Nazis. The economy was getting better and Germany was gaining back power in the world, so they didn't care what was happening to the minority populations. Fuck, when the economy improved a lot of people bought into the nazi ideology more.
Also, I wouldn't consider a death camp the same thing as the battle field.
edit: Besides, didn't somebody in this thread say that a relative of theirs fed a concentration camp prisoner here?

[happenstance]

^Gip, totally deleted the comment you were responding to because I didn't realize you mentioned that in your other response. For everyone's FYI I said desertion in Nazi Germany and activism in the 60s had different consequences. But to respond to your new comment, yes they did have different consequences! Sure, some fishy things happened to some activists in the 60s but this was reserved for the most powerful voices. In Nazi Germany they were quite diligent in purging dissenters - it was a guarantee.

It is easy say it was the morally right thing to do when you are not in the position to worry about your own life or the lives of your family.

A side note that is a little unrelated, but I think it touches on the coercion that your average foot soldier faces to fight. In WWI the Christmas Truce was an example of soldiers putting aside their differences precisely because the threat of coercion to fight was absent. I only read the synopsis of the Wiki article, and it didn't touch on the fact that the truce happened because the officers left the battlefield. Because of these events, new rules were instated in the British military that officers always had to remain present in battle (not sure if similar changes were made in the German military).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce

No, it wasn't just a few, and no it wasn't just the ones on top. Were those 4 little girls in the birmingham church top leaders of the civil rights movement? No. Were the buses that never completed the freedom rides because the passengers disappeared and the buses were lit on fire leaders? no. The fact was, if you were in the south acting up, you were risking your life. Everybody down there knew that too. The police would attack you if you were lucky enough to face them before the klan made you vanish, and nobody would ever be convicted of the murders.
Here's the fucked up fact of it, despite the rules and all that shit, most Germans did support the Nazis. The economy was getting better and Germany was gaining back power in the world, so they didn't care what was happening to the minority populations. Fuck, when the economy improved a lot of people bought into the nazi ideology more.
Also, I wouldn't consider a death camp the same thing as the battle field.
edit: Besides, didn't somebody in this thread say that a relative of theirs fed a concentration camp prisoner here?

Alright, fair points. When you said 'disappearing', I was thinking more about ideas that people like Malcom X and MLK were assassinated by the CIA. That is why I said there were 'fishy things' happening because, of course, such ideas can never be proven. Didn't really consider the lower level daily harassment and terrorism... Brain fart. Kind of talking out of my ass here I guess. And also I am aware that a large population of Germans supported Hitler because of his ability to overcome hyper-inflation. It still doesn't mean every German was culpable for major atrocities. Not to mention that his popularity wasn't as solid as it was in the early to late 30s through the end of the war. Anywho, white flag raised. Carry on Gip.

Edit: Also was sort of playing devil's advocate right now and now I feel like I have been soft on Nazi's. My Senate career is so over. No one can run on a soft on Nazi's platform.

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

nah, you just gotta spin to so people think you are open to listening to a diversity of opinions before making up your mind

[Locbrew]

My great uncle was Dean of Campbell College here in NC, the law school in Raleigh is named after him. My mom's cousin was the pitching coach for the Chicago White Sox's.

My grandfather was a paratrooper during WWII, jumped out during Normandy, landed, started digging a fox hole and got ran over by a French Tank, he lived. Apparently my great aunt said he was full of shit and that never happened, still believe him. Before he died, my grandmother got a call from a German man claiming to be his son, pretty crazy I could have a German Uncle.

[Beer Keg Peg Leg]

my second cousin is a big famous aussie rules player here in australia, jonathan brown


he's a fucking retard.

[rfox]

my second cousin is a big famous aussie rules player here in australia, jonathan brown


he's a fucking retard.

Brownie!!  The lions suck

[Beer Keg Peg Leg]

yep, i hate em. my team isn't doing much better though

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

his head looks like a bean. Pretty rad that he's your cousin.

[frisco]

my great grandpa invented the street sweeper. also my cousin married the lead singer of the goo goo dolls. he's got crazy game.

Street sweeper the gun, or the actually vehicle that cleans streets?

Before you answer, just remember we could turn your great grandpa into a vigilante of Paul Kersey proportions.  Either is dope though.

Is she still married to that dude?

the vehicle! still got the original blue prints at my uncles. i don't think it's worth anything though. wish frisco would see this thread he's got some really rad relatives that have everything to do with the invention of the delorean to steven segal movies.

Just found it

My Grandfather has so many stories, he was one of the pioneer investors in the delorean and I have a framed photo of the first one ever produced. He went on to fund the building of the Air Canada Center in Toronto. Plays golf with Gretzky, one of his best friends is Frank Mahavolich a famous retired hockey player 

My Uncle started as a writer in Toronto and went on to LA and then was back and forth between Vancouver and there directing and writing TV shows and features. He wrote for Due South and Stargate SG-1 for years. His childhood best friend is Best Director Oscar winner Paul Haggis (Crash). He's done features with Steven Segal and Steve Austin, TV shows with Tia Carrera, Tiffani Thiessen and Olivia Wilde, and now is the Showrunner for a USA network show called "White Collar"

[oyolar]

Yo--hook a brother up with Olivia Wilde.

[HATE!]

his head looks like a bean. Pretty rad that he's your cousin.

HAHAHA!  I just thought that his head was shaped like a really nice kidney pool!

[meathead genius]

Christopher Columbus is my great grandfather.