Ericly Later'd

[Money Black]

link doesn't work, video not even on the vice website, sluggers a terrible cunt

[sluggers]

Haha, patience, my friend. Patience.

[Money Black]

ok it worked this time, sluggers i am the terrible cunt

[NickDagger]

Glad they got it up, but what the fuck is up with Vice ALWAYS lagging in getting shit out on time?


Is this the guy they hire to put stuff up?

[clamy]

I always like hearing what Tim Gavin has to say. He's a funny dude.

[Alan]

Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?

[Unbridled Technical Precision]

Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?

[Magic Pizza]

I think what Sam Smyth said about Koston is pretty interesting, how he was one of the first skateboarders who could do pretty much everything without trying very hard. Now there are more of these types of kids, which explains why younger skaters might not understand how awesome Koston is. Much like how Tom Penny's impact is hard to understand unless you were somewhat lucid during the goofy boy small wheel era, when hardly anyone had any type of flow to their skating.

[asakusa75]

That was fucking awesome. Koston is the master, the original master.
How is Mariano too? "Koston has always been better then me"....now that is a really hard one to decide.

[Killyourdreams]

Koston is the Master, Mariano was a sort of master "YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN"

[sluggers]

Patrick really needs to get on a Rick Howard Epicly Later'd to reveal the entire story.

[L33Tg33k]

It bothered me when Mariano said "We started going up to San Diego.....and bringing Koston down to LA."

[Alan]

Maybe he grew up using an Australian world map?

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?

wasn't it like 93 or 94 when it came out?

[corto]

Back in the day Mariano was the master, Koston was just bland compared to him.

[Alan]

Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?

wasn't it like 93 or 94 when it came out?

Pretty sure it's 94 when it came out. Also pretty sure most, if not all of it was filmed in 94 as well...

[Pike St]

Maybe it's just me, but this is the nostalgic that inspired me to have a job. If you didn't cut it to be pro before 18, then you look for work. Nowadays the skate industry is different. Live this fantasy life and be a pile, but back in the day, you read interviews and knew what these guys would go through, and you knew you didn't cut it. Now a days anybody can think they have it to be pro.

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

Back in the day Mariano was the master, Koston was just bland compared to him.

I would agree, but I think Guy knows better than us...

[dorito dave]

Maybe it's just me, but this is the nostalgic that inspired me to have a job. If you didn't cut it to be pro before 18, then you look for work. Nowadays the skate industry is different. Live this fantasy life and be a pile, but back in the day, you read interviews and knew what these guys would go through, and you knew you didn't cut it. Now a days anybody can think they have it to be pro.

what?

[360 frip]

Back in the day Mariano was the master, Koston was just bland compared to him.

I would agree, but I think Guy knows better than us...

He did do a lot of hard drugs for about 10 years though...

[The Ghost of Lenny Kirk]

Back in the day Mariano was the master, Koston was just bland compared to him.

I would agree, but I think Guy knows better than us...

I think corto is talking about it from a fan perspective in that era and not the pro perspective. Which is why i made the p.rod comparison in the first place. P.rod can do the most technical shit all day everyday but it doesnt matter to a lot of people. Especially on this message board. Im assuming it mustve been similar in the early to mid 90s with koston. Style arguments etc.

Im making the destinction between pro and fan perspective because the progression (based on what everyone growing up during that era has said) was seen up close and happened really quickly for pros back then but was really slow for fans because all progression was experienced through video parts and magazine articles.

[Dark Knight]

Im assuming it mustve been similar in the early to mid 90s with koston. Style arguments etc.

Hell no.  Koston was the king back then and that's all there was to it.  Everyone loved Koston and it was almost impossible not to, unless you were all about the East Coast vibe that surfaced around the mid-90's.

[sluggers]

Guy was just a kid and he had already done his thing by the time Koston began to blow minds so it all makes perfect sense.

[Yushin Okami]

Does O'Dell really think Goldfish came out in 93?

wasn't it like 93 or 94 when it came out?

Pretty sure it's 94 when it came out. Also pretty sure most, if not all of it was filmed in 94 as well...

I'm pretty positive it came out in 93.

edit* I could probably google it...

[Ronald Wilson Reagan]

It's funny how people say videos came out so slow back in the day, because even though there were less of them, individual companies pumped them out constantly. If '93 is true, than think about this- '92-Questionable, '93- Virtual Reality, '93/'94 goldfish, and dudes like Mike Carroll had fucking amazing parts in every single one. The rest of the industry worked that way too, videos were basically annual events. Now we gotta wait 5 years for every fucking production.

[natenola forever]

It's funny how people say videos came out so slow back in the day, because even though there were less of them, individual companies pumped them out constantly. If '93 is true, than think about this- '92-Questionable, '93- Virtual Reality, '93/'94 goldfish, and dudes like Mike Carroll had fucking amazing parts in every single one. The rest of the industry worked that way too, videos were basically annual events. Now we gotta wait 5 years for every fucking production.

Yeah i'm pretty sure the model back in the day was a video a year, it was the mid to late 90s when that started to change. You wouldnt believe
how many horrible tracker videos there are.
I would say videos like Birdhouse's The End and Osirus the Storm were the videos that changed those trends.

[The Ghost of Lenny Kirk]

Just to loop it back around to what we were talking about earlier before that I think makes things clear- every NBD Koston does becomes the new hot trick, has Andrew Reynolds ever even done a trick that hasn't been done yet? That on its own puts Koston in his own league

wouldnt you say that reynolds taking tricks down bigger and longer things than anyone else keeps him in his own league? Comparing koston v Reynolds based on trick nbds is as fair/stupid as koston v reynolds on skating big stairs/gaps etc?

No, that's not a valid comparison. The question is, what has Reynolds brought into skating? his "progression" is purely mathematical. Its particularly bad because Koston has done some gnarly shit down some big gaps.

this.

as already pointed out, koston shows people what's possible and there's people like reynolds who take it further. i think the former way of progress is a lot more impressive

Flip trick progression is mathmatical too. Adding flips is the same thing. Fakie crook fakie varial flip out. Fakie crook fakie tre out. Fakie crook fakie 720 flip out. Its the same shit. Its not any more creative than jumping down more stairs. If someone goes for a fakie 3 flip fakie 5050 on a rail its just the next logical trick after a switch flip switch 5050 or fakie flip fakie 5050. I dont think im really all that creative and i thought of that. Its insane to do those tricks but its hardly creative to think of them. It just comes down to personal tastes. People like different things. Its not a big deal.

[myles.]

It's funny how people say videos came out so slow back in the day, because even though there were less of them, individual companies pumped them out constantly. If '93 is true, than think about this- '92-Questionable, '93- Virtual Reality, '93/'94 goldfish, and dudes like Mike Carroll had fucking amazing parts in every single one. The rest of the industry worked that way too, videos were basically annual events. Now we gotta wait 5 years for every fucking production.

Yeah i'm pretty sure the model back in the day was a video a year, it was the mid to late 90s when that started to change. You wouldnt believe
how many horrible tracker videos there are.
I would say videos like Birdhouse's The End and Osirus the Storm were the videos that changed those trends.

back then not a lot had been done so it made for a better time trying to make a part. nowadays so much has been done everyone worries about abd's and nbd's and they all try to kill themselves on the biggest, craziest shit (hence taking more time getting tricks/recovering from injuries)  to make the most impressive part. different times, different measures

[LOU.502]

Another great episode but it kinda seemed like they covered a lot of ground too quickly. I would have love to hear more about them starting girl and showing up to that contest etc...

[jerrys_kids]

I hope they cover what happened between Koston and Es, because apparently when he left he hated them.