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« on: August 05, 2012, 09:30:39 AM »

Any one look forward to this? Landing looks crazy for using sky crane, got kinda nervous though but anyway I wish it a success.
NASA?s Mars Science Laboratory(officially be called ?Curiosity?) will touchdown on the floor of Gale Crater at 1:17 a.m. EDT (GMT-4) on Aug. 6.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2012, 11:58:05 AM »

Can't fucking wait, for real.

I just wish we had an active Europa mission in the works. Not to take away from Mars, but everything about Europa just screams that there's some biology going on.

Edited to add- I hope it doesn't suffer the Mars Curse... the landing sequence looks pretty complicated. So much shit to go wrong.

Mars Science Laboratory (Curiosity Rover) Mission Animation
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2012, 02:19:02 PM »

Mad stoked on this. I am staying up till the landing and monitoring the NASA website.

Countdown clock

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/index.html
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2012, 02:27:29 PM »

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/news/pdfs/MSL_Fact_Sheet-20100916.pdf
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2012, 02:51:41 PM »

you can stream it over xbox 360. i love the future
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« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2012, 08:55:00 PM »

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/nasatv/

Live feed from the NASA control room.
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« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2012, 10:39:34 PM »

We pulled it!
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 02:39:26 AM »

It was super sick to watch. NASA had a simulating of the solar system and integrated in rover in the simulation. I watch the whole landing how it should be happening has it was happening on a computer sim along side the control room feed.

First photos

https://twitter.com/JPMajor/status/232351032787755008/photo/1
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 06:50:57 AM »

I was very hyped too! I'm super excited about what they'll find and the pictures they'll send back. Our solar system has so many interesting things to study. Enceladus, Europa, and Titan are all very cool moons! The whole point of the mission is to see if Mars ever had microbial life at one point...I don't see why it couldn't be present right now, I don't think you can rule that out yet.

According to the research in this article, Mars is right up there with potential for habitability.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15863549

There is a lot of methane being produced on Mars, which means Mars is either biologically or geologically active. The Gale Crater is near some of this activity.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2009/jan/HQ_09-006_Mars_Methane.html

It would also be very cool if they get the Curiosity to check out Cydonia, it's not that far away...just a little south...just to take a look from land...also the supposed naturally occurring glass...but some things can be a trick on the eye, such as this pic making Mars look like it has a forest...The Curiosity should have some epic pics!



Explanation of trees: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100119.html

Explanation of glass: http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/early/2012/03/23/G32755.1 http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=19973






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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 10:01:51 AM »

$2.5 billion on a remote control car, meanwhile, back on Earth schools are being shut down.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 11:55:01 AM »

$2.5 billion on a remote control car, meanwhile, back on Earth schools are being shut down.
the technological advancements that come from these kinds of missions often trickle down into every day life. also, this is the kind of shit that can inspire a kid. there's worse things to invest money into.
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2012, 01:00:13 PM »

$2.5 billion on a remote control car, meanwhile, back on Earth schools are being shut down.
the technological advancements that come from these kinds of missions often trickle down into every day life. also, this is the kind of shit that can inspire a kid. there's worse things to invest money into.
  If we were taking care of all the problems we had here, or at least maintaining programs that are designed to deal with those problems, I'd be all for it. However, right now we are in overwhelming debt, and keep making excuses for why schools, planned parenthood, and other organizations that actually do help people need to be cut out of the budget. Little cars driving around on planets that humans will never set foot on though? Spare no expense!

Its just not the right time to be doing shit like this.
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 01:24:45 PM »

the reasons a lot of those things are being cut out of the budget goes beyond not having money for it. i guarantee that if they didn't do this mission, all of that shit would still be struggling.
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2012, 01:49:12 PM »

The Curiosity should have some epic pics!

Speaking from a layman's point of view, this is the part I'm looking forward to the most!
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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2012, 02:10:11 PM »

http://www.npr.org/blogs/pictureshow/2012/08/06/158196850/a-brief-history-of-photographers-on-mars
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« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2012, 02:30:26 PM »

I know a guy that retired from NASA a few years back, and teaches math now.  He was pretty high up, I guess.  He counted down a few of the lift-offs, and hit the launch buttons.  His synopsis of his time with NASA is that he made a lot of money coming up with new ways to spend money.  He didn't seem psyched on the whole idea.
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« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2012, 02:32:59 PM »

Gotta disagree Gip... this was a comparatively cheap mission coming from an already underfunded agency (more cuts coming in 2013). A lot of the NASA budget goes directly into educational programs, and in some cases those funds help keep certain university programs operating (at least here).

I say let's cut some Pentagon funding instead. People might walk on Mars one day, and this mission will provide us with more good stuff (science, technology, general awesomeness) whereas the Pentagon is just fucking bloated.
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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2012, 03:01:06 PM »

Max Power- Right. It isn't that there isn't money there, its that the government would prefer to waste it on stupid pet projects.

Grim- what does underfunded mean? Why is $2.5 billion on a remote control a deal in the larger budget view? You could literally hire 50,000 teachers at $50k a head (higher than the national average salary for teachers) for that price. We have a limited budget, and a waste of money that is cheaper than other wastes of money is still a waste of money. I also have a better idea in terms of nasa education funding, instead of giving money to nasa to give to schools, we just give the money to schools. Less middle men that way.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm down for cutting the military budget too.
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« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2012, 03:12:26 PM »

I'm admitting my ignorance here, but isn't NASA mostly privatized now? It's my understanding a large portion of that budget is donated from private parties, and only smaller portions coming from the government. I remember reading about that a while ago... but maybe they were just talking about it, and it didn't go through.

I agree priorities are a mess, and the amount of disconnect and poverty in this country are pretty staggering. Efforts to fix social pot-holes are being overlooked... but with that said, I definitely agree there are far worse things to spend large amounts of money on.

Yeah, that budget could go to a lot better spent on social aid, but the 11 year old can't help but be excited space exploration. Didn't every kid want to be an astronaut when they grew up?
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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2012, 04:16:30 PM »



Those are amazing!
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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2012, 05:55:33 PM »

Grim- what does underfunded mean?
Program cuts, layoffs in multiple programs under the agency... pretty much an anorexic version of an agency that should have money dumped into it.

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Why is $2.5 billion on a remote control a deal in the larger budget view?
Sometimes a dollar spent by NASA equates to several dollars back. Some of the averages I've read say up to seven bucks back per one buck spent (dependent on the success and ability to transpose new things into other applied sciences). New jobs, new industries.
Also, this is a big chunk of the NASA budget... in 2011 they had somewhere around $18.5 billion, 85% of that went out to US-based manufacturers as well as education. Funding NASA is a win from every angle I can think of.

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You could literally hire 50,000 teachers at $50k a head (higher than the national average salary for teachers) for that price.
Stripping a scientific research and exploration agency to hire teachers is counterproductive. Anyway, a shitload of NASA employees are teachers (at least professors).

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We have a limited budget, and a waste of money that is cheaper than other wastes of money is still a waste of money.
Man, I'm bummed that you think this is a waste of money!

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I also have a better idea in terms of nasa education funding, instead of giving money to nasa to give to schools, we just give the money to schools. Less middle men that way.
Usually in the case of NASA funded educational programs, the middle man is actually on site. Usually at least. The science centers that some of our universities have are staffed by NASA scientists when applicable.

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Don't get me wrong though, I'm down for cutting the military budget too.
There's definitely bloat there, but even more than that... like removing the entire Department of Homeland Security. It's strictly a bureaucratic institution. Basically a huge governing umbrella over preexisting Fed and state level agencies. I think the DOD budget was something like $700 billion that year? Just get the money from there... let NASA do science.
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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2012, 07:40:17 PM »

I dont care how much money it cost,if country can do this i would be very proud of.
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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2012, 08:07:11 PM »

I knew grimcity was a nerd, but tonight his true colors came out.
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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2012, 10:59:47 PM »

Grim- what does underfunded mean?

Program cuts, layoffs in multiple programs under the agency... pretty much an anorexic version of an agency that should have money dumped into it.

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Why is $2.5 billion on a remote control a deal in the larger budget view?

Sometimes a dollar spent by NASA equates to several dollars back. Some of the averages I've read say up to seven bucks back per one buck spent (dependent on the success and ability to transpose new things into other applied sciences). New jobs, new industries.
Also, this is a big chunk of the NASA budget... in 2011 they had somewhere around $18.5 billion, 85% of that went out to US-based manufacturers as well as education. Funding NASA is a win from every angle I can think of.

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You could literally hire 50,000 teachers at $50k a head (higher than the national average salary for teachers) for that price.

Stripping a scientific research and exploration agency to hire teachers is counterproductive. Anyway, a shitload of NASA employees are teachers (at least professors).

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We have a limited budget, and a waste of money that is cheaper than other wastes of money is still a waste of money.

Man, I'm bummed that you think this is a waste of money!

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I also have a better idea in terms of nasa education funding, instead of giving money to nasa to give to schools, we just give the money to schools. Less middle men that way.

Usually in the case of NASA funded educational programs, the middle man is actually on site. Usually at least. The science centers that some of our universities have are staffed by NASA scientists when applicable.

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Don't get me wrong though, I'm down for cutting the military budget too.

There's definitely bloat there, but even more than that... like removing the entire Department of Homeland Security. It's strictly a bureaucratic institution. Basically a huge governing umbrella over preexisting Fed and state level agencies. I think the DOD budget was something like $700 billion that year? Just get the money from there... let NASA do science.



Sorry, but I think working to solve social problems comes far before fantasy science. I'm not looking for 50,000 teachers to train kids to make scientific breakthroughs, if that was the goal, then yes, taking funding from nasa to put it in schools would be counterintuitive. I am looking for them just to keep our education system in tact so children can get the education they need to take advantage of the opportunities that exist in the world, whether they are in science, politics, or being a blood sucking businessman (not the option I'd recommend, but they should still have the opportunity.)   Perhaps Nasa as an institution has a role, but stupid stuff like this is $2.5 billion spent on pure ego.
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I don't think we'll come to an agreement on this issue though. I clearly professionally prioritize social science, whereas you prioritize computer science. Not really saying one is superior, just that its clear that we would have different priorities when it comes to the hypothetical match up between education and nasa spending.

I'll stop raining on the parade now though. Those tree things are pretty crazy to see on Mars.
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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2012, 04:11:19 AM »

A manned Mars mission is proposed by the Obama Administration by the 2030's....

You can read about it here: http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/may/HQ_12-169_Mars_Concept_Group.html

Here's a link to read about some of the details of the Curiosity mission and it's importance, a lot of cool info:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19112800

I like how they took over 240 photos together and made a short little color movie of the landing...so far a lot of information. They could have easily said we lost communication with Curiosity but we know it's there, so nothing like that, they are being pretty open about it, which is very cool.

link: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/videogallery/index.html?collection_id=18895&media_id=149974611
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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2012, 12:51:00 PM »

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