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Title: LEDGEnd
Post by: nothingisspecial on June 10, 2018, 08:18:40 PM
Who is the best ledge skater of all time?

Extra credit: what is the best ledge trick done of all time?
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Post by: VHS ERA on June 10, 2018, 08:19:27 PM
PJ
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Post by: ledgendary on June 10, 2018, 08:26:37 PM
Me
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Post by: poser666 on June 10, 2018, 08:27:09 PM
andy macdonald IMO
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Post by: gnidraobetaks on June 10, 2018, 08:42:17 PM
jesus
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Post by: Shifty Flip on June 10, 2018, 09:05:31 PM
Pepe?
Sanch?
PJ?
Carroll?
Wenning?
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Post by: ungzilla on June 10, 2018, 09:17:25 PM
the best ledge trick ever done is tiago's ss bs ts at macba
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Post by: Francis Xavier on June 10, 2018, 09:17:45 PM
Kalis said he once did a 360 flip front crook nollie bs flip out, and fred gall
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Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 10, 2018, 09:25:11 PM
My vote is Puig. SSKFBSTS hard way shuvit out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-MlDfmGlJE
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Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 10, 2018, 09:26:00 PM
the best ledge trick ever done is tiago's ss bs ts at macba
Yeah, probably. Between the trick he chose, how high he popped, how long he slid it, and how perfectly he did it, its hard to claim anything else.

Best ledge skater ever is Wenning. Not only did he do hard tricks perfectly, he also really put a lot of thought into his tricks.

Other honorable mentions in that category:
Tim O'Connor
Bobby DeKeyzer
Henry Sanchez
Rob Welsh
I could probably go on for a while here...
Edit: since he might go overlooked, Danny fuckin' Garcia.
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Post by: tzhangdox on June 10, 2018, 09:31:25 PM
wenning, welsh, and out of modern skaters probably suciu, bobby dk, tiago off the top of my head. will marshalls pretty good too, but would like to see more non insta clips
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Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 10, 2018, 09:33:58 PM
Carlos Ribeiro too! Fuck I knew I'd keep coming up with names.
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Post by: IHOP on June 10, 2018, 09:52:55 PM
I hate to say that the best ledge skater is probably felipe gustavo or shane oniell, so I'll just say Its bobby d  :)

yea I gotta agree with the sw back tail heard round the world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeWhqWxsVi8

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Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 10, 2018, 10:12:02 PM
I wouldn't put Felipe or Shane in this category. As amazing as they are, Their main skill seems to be doing tough flip tricks into and out of basic slides and grinds. I could never do it, but a part of me feels like their tech skating is more about their control over flip tricks than their ability to lock into a ledge in wild ways. Is that a weird way to look at it?
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Post by: matta on June 10, 2018, 10:43:06 PM
skater:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XzLF39Q55I

trick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6MlCiKVWZQ

1:09
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Post by: Flabby cold demeanor on June 10, 2018, 11:26:08 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aQ95IJ0VM_8/Uk3VUBQFiVI/AAAAAAAAE-k/wvgarHOpySc/s400/guymarianoi.gif)
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Post by: max_o on June 10, 2018, 11:30:53 PM
Don't forget Carroll and Koston
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Post by: Matze on June 11, 2018, 12:12:34 AM
I always thought that the bs 180 fakie fs 5-o revert by A.P. was an outstanding ledge trick.
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Post by: SodaJerk on June 11, 2018, 01:49:47 AM
Every person named above is valid but I can't believe no one has mentioned Mike Mo yet, or maybe I can believe it. I get what Gipper said about flips in and out not defining the metric but those guys are good at what they do.
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Post by: silhouette on June 11, 2018, 03:47:37 AM
personal current favorite, lesser seen ledge clip has to be Rob Welsh's noseslide to b/s nosebluntslide (on one of them, the front truck seems to catch the edge):

https://instagram.com/p/Bi8AJX-FwGN/

where and how do you even start approaching that?...

also obviously Daewon deserves a mention, on purely technical terms, his 'Second To None' part is fucked
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Post by: quaintly on June 11, 2018, 03:53:29 AM
good luck coming up with a more difficult one than the bs 180 nose grind switch big heel out .
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Post by: butterballs for jerry on June 11, 2018, 04:21:49 AM
Mike mo fakie front crook Tre flip.  Still hasn't been done again
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Post by: Manolo on June 11, 2018, 04:39:42 AM
Daewon, Henry, Guy, Creager, Koston, Javier, jesus , PJ, Wenning, MJ, TX, Lucas, Prod, CK, O'neill, Suciu, TOM ASTA.

In the style section MC, Gino, Arto, Kalis, Welsh, Ave, Kenny, Appleyard, Antwuan
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Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on June 11, 2018, 04:46:42 AM
Mike mo fakie front crook Tre flip.  Still hasn't been done again

That's a skatepark trick now, crezy huh?

I vote tiago for craziest trick.

Im gonna have to add Ronnie creager into the mix.  And p rod
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Post by: HangtenNoseblunt on June 11, 2018, 05:24:56 AM
pj, tom asta, and bobby dk
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Post by: roba on June 11, 2018, 06:25:01 AM
jean baptiste gillet
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Post by: Rein on June 11, 2018, 06:45:54 AM
Mike mo fakie front crook Tre flip.  Still hasn't been done again

Still haven't seen any footage of anyone else doing it.

I know Slap likes to hate on Sewa, but the dude has done some insane tricks. Hardflip bs nosegrind late front foot flip out.

Youness should be mentioned here as well.
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Post by: Swithflip on June 11, 2018, 07:06:01 AM
Daewon, Henry, Guy, Creager, Koston, Javier, jesus , PJ, Wenning, MJ, TX, Lucas, Prod, CK, O'neill, Suciu, TOM ASTA.

In the style section MC, Gino, Arto, Kalis, Welsh, Ave, Kenny, Appleyard, Antwuan

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Post by: party_toes on June 11, 2018, 07:12:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68hSZm5GFOY

@ 0:16

who else does this one?
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Post by: mclovin1336 on June 11, 2018, 07:23:59 AM
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Mike mo fakie front crook Tre flip.  Still hasn't been done again
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Still haven't seen any footage of anyone else doing it.

I know Slap likes to hate on Sewa, but the dude has done some insane tricks. Hardflip bs nosegrind late front foot flip out.

Youness should be mentioned here as well.
i've said it and will say it again, flo does em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-sqzwpcvj4 2:48

edit: and it's on a "real" ledge not some pre-berrics bench in a warehouse
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Post by: FS-OverKOOK on June 11, 2018, 07:55:15 AM
No love for Smolik?? Not always the prettiest to watch but he always seemed progressive on the ledge game.
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Post by: fulfillthedream on June 11, 2018, 07:55:42 AM
SMOLIK

DOBSTAFF
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Post by: patrick c. on June 11, 2018, 07:57:14 AM
Jerry Fowler
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Post by: BullweyHuskey on June 11, 2018, 08:00:22 AM
"probably some guy from the 90s or beginning of 00s who totally wasnt the best at all but makes me look like my skate knowledge goes way back when i say it" 9/10 people on here.

its either pj, luan, shane or suciu. they can do everything.
desarmo
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Post by: tzhangdox on June 11, 2018, 09:53:14 AM
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Mike mo fakie front crook Tre flip.  Still hasn't been done again
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Still haven't seen any footage of anyone else doing it.

I know Slap likes to hate on Sewa, but the dude has done some insane tricks. Hardflip bs nosegrind late front foot flip out.

Youness should be mentioned here as well.
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i've said it and will say it again, flo does em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-sqzwpcvj4 2:48

edit: and it's on a "real" ledge not some pre-berrics bench in a warehouse

that was a varial flip out not a tre. amazing nonetheless
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Post by: bo bice on June 11, 2018, 10:17:50 AM
Flo Marfaing deserves to be in the discussion.
co-sign on Creager and Smolik as well. Surprised no one’s mentioned Biebel yet.
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Post by: bo bice on June 11, 2018, 10:18:38 AM
^^ Alex Carolino too
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Post by: reptar_bar on June 11, 2018, 10:39:31 AM
Wenning is one of my all time favourites, but if we are talking difficulty of tricks i wouldn't put him on the list. PJ, Felipe Gustavo, Sewa, Mark Suicu, Shane O'Neill, are all on another level of tech/difficulty when it comes to ledge tricks. And one of Tiago's many switch back tails or switch back tail variations is certainly up there for singular best ledge trick ever done.
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Post by: my english is bad on June 11, 2018, 10:57:27 AM
Fred Gall always and Bobby Worrest
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Post by: Putaslocas on June 11, 2018, 12:06:45 PM
Wow did anyone see that one gustav tonnesen just posted? Back 180 fakie 5-0 fakie fs flip out. Incredible.

https://instagram.com/p/Bj5SFnTBxXj/
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Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 11, 2018, 12:18:55 PM
Wenning is one of my all time favourites, but if we are talking difficulty of tricks i wouldn't put him on the list.
This has to be the stupidest fucking post ever. I’ll never respect anything you post ever again.
Wenning’s shit is insanely difficult and done perfectly. Switch back 180 to bs nosegrind pop out early was easy? Fakie bs 5-0 to front shove out in the middle of the ledge has ever been repeated?
Along with that, yeah, balancing a switch back nosegrind for 10 feet then popping out early may not have a ton of moving parts, but its way fucking harder than your favorite pro’s flick and pray flip to grind.
You disgust me.
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Post by: butterballs for jerry on June 11, 2018, 12:28:02 PM
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Mike mo fakie front crook Tre flip.  Still hasn't been done again
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Still haven't seen any footage of anyone else doing it.

I know Slap likes to hate on Sewa, but the dude has done some insane tricks. Hardflip bs nosegrind late front foot flip out.

Youness should be mentioned here as well.
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i've said it and will say it again, flo does em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-sqzwpcvj4 2:48

edit: and it's on a "real" ledge not some pre-berrics bench in a warehouse
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that was a varial flip out not a tre. amazing nonetheless

I've said Mike mo's trick hadn't been done before and the same guy responded with that video. I then pointed out it's a varial flip and never got a response from him. I'll see you in the next "best ledge trick ever" thread and we can repeat this little waltz of ours
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Post by: Zurg on June 11, 2018, 02:36:50 PM
i cant really think of anything beating tiago's sw backtail at macba, or his ledge game in general. you cant deny that wenning had his reign, though. he definitely helped push the balancing grinds and doing tricks out against the ledge trend. stenger was more of a manny guy, but i remember this trick having a big impact on me at the time.

https://youtu.be/nT2akB4c5sE?t=3m5s

i know its been done since and possibly before, also i think someone mentioned puig doing it switch, but stenger had such crazy board control and did it so proper. his front 5-0 three flip out in the middle of the ledge also stuck out to me, but i cant find it on youtube
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Post by: jamersonbass on June 11, 2018, 03:47:42 PM
I'm going with Lucas, Suciu, and JB.  While not the most tech, they do extremely difficult tricks and look great doing them.
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Post by: I sniff Jim Gagne's butthole all the time on June 11, 2018, 04:03:36 PM
pj for ledges or flat.
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Post by: 5inchDick on June 11, 2018, 04:19:59 PM
BRIAN EMMERS

SMOLIK

WENNING

PATRICK JOHN LADD

MARC JOHNSON

DAEWON SONG

PAUL RODRIGUEZ
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Post by: dirty ol man on June 11, 2018, 04:27:03 PM
dekeyzer purple part solidified he's the best ledge skater in the game right now. there is not one weakness. he has taken speed, tech, taste, creativity, length, and NBD's to another level from every stance, front & backside.
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Post by: happenstance on June 11, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
BRIAN EMMERS
First name I thought of when I saw this thread.

While on the topic of underdogs for this thread, Photo era Pops was really progressive.
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Post by: Backheels on June 11, 2018, 04:36:13 PM
Shane is the best ledge skater ever, isnt very close either. PJ is absurdly overrated and didnt use 1/4 his potential. Carlos, Tj Rogers, prod, marc johnson, DAEWON!! Trent mcclung, jp Souza, brandon biebel, miles Silva, tom asta, Diego too
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Post by: victor doom on June 11, 2018, 04:51:04 PM
No one said ENRIQUE LORENZO!!??? Him, Sanchez, Gillet, PJ, TX and Mariano were pioneers
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Post by: pugmaster on June 11, 2018, 04:52:44 PM
Big fan of Stevie, Brian Wenning, and the others that were mentioned previously.  Tiago is on some other shit in 2018, super excited to see that guy continue to blossom, he is still a youngster, relatively speaking.  Some other dudes that I think were inspirational to me growing up as a skateboarder preoccupied with ledges includes Richard Mulder and Anthony Correa.  I love Richard's trick selection and style and how Anthony lands out of grinds (he never really tic-tacs, just kind of swerves).

Anthony Correa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhyvVxOQlC4  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhyvVxOQlC4)

Richard Mulder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7o1ChenCYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7o1ChenCYg)
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Post by: 5inchDick on June 11, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
PLEASE FORGIVE ME


BUT DANNY MONTOYA ALWAYS CRUSHED

AND SO DID FUCKING JAYME FORTUNE (YES I SPELLED IT WRONG) BUT YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK IM TALKING ABOUT

AND EHHHH ENRIQUE WAS JUST SMOOTH HE NEVER REALLY PUSHED THE LIMITS AND WAS SUPER GNARLY

LOL @ CALLING SOMEBODY OVER RATED WHO HAS A HISTORY OF JUST DESTROYING SHIT WITH NEVER BEEN DONE TRICKS... YOU SOND LIKE A FUCKING IDIOT


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Post by: happenstance on June 11, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
^Trilogy era Enrique was definitely ahead of the curve.
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Post by: doomstation55 on June 11, 2018, 05:13:46 PM
Surprised no one has mention Pudwill who occasionally has atrocious taste in trick selection and flappy arms, but has done some fucked up shit.
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 11, 2018, 05:33:54 PM
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Daewon, Henry, Guy, Creager, Koston, Javier, jesus , PJ, Wenning, MJ, TX, Lucas, Prod, CK, O'neill, Suciu, TOM ASTA.

In the style section MC, Gino, Arto, Kalis, Welsh, Ave, Kenny, Appleyard, Antwuan
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Post by: mongopushingmallgraber on June 11, 2018, 05:47:30 PM
Shout out Gino's full cab back tail in Mouse
Some sexy shit right there
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Post by: reptar_bar on June 11, 2018, 05:58:11 PM
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Wenning is one of my all time favourites, but if we are talking difficulty of tricks i wouldn't put him on the list.
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This has to be the stupidest fucking post ever. I’ll never respect anything you post ever again.
Wenning’s shit is insanely difficult and done perfectly. Switch back 180 to bs nosegrind pop out early was easy? Fakie bs 5-0 to front shove out in the middle of the ledge has ever been repeated?
Along with that, yeah, balancing a switch back nosegrind for 10 feet then popping out early may not have a ton of moving parts, but its way fucking harder than your favorite pro’s flick and pray flip to grind.
You disgust me.

Lol where did i say it was easy you fool? And yeah wenning doing a 10 foot long switch back nose grind pop out is very fucking hard, but if your gonna try and say a front feeble laser flip is easier then your tripping. Obviously not a visually pleasing trick. But its fact imo. Also i said in that post wenning is one of my favourites, so who's my favourite pro thats doing the flick and pray? Sorry for personally attacking you by saying i dont think wenning does the hardest ledge tricks. I hope someday you can suck his dick for real
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Post by: bo bice on June 11, 2018, 05:58:21 PM
^^^ can’t tell if trolling or actually doesn’t know Gino’s stance..
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Post by: RCB3 on June 11, 2018, 06:01:22 PM
Keeping on the theme of Tiago, I still can't get over this bs tail either at 2:01. His switch big spin bs tail on it in that DC part was amazing as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjqIHxXFr4w
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Post by: CrumblingInfrastructure on June 11, 2018, 06:17:22 PM
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Wenning is one of my all time favourites, but if we are talking difficulty of tricks i wouldn't put him on the list.
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This has to be the stupidest fucking post ever. I’ll never respect anything you post ever again.
Wenning’s shit is insanely difficult and done perfectly. Switch back 180 to bs nosegrind pop out early was easy? Fakie bs 5-0 to front shove out in the middle of the ledge has ever been repeated?
Along with that, yeah, balancing a switch back nosegrind for 10 feet then popping out early may not have a ton of moving parts, but its way fucking harder than your favorite pro’s flick and pray flip to grind.
You disgust me.
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Lol where did i say it was easy you fool? And yeah wenning doing a 10 foot long switch back nose grind pop out is very fucking hard, but if your gonna try and say a front feeble laser flip is easier then your tripping. Obviously not a visually pleasing trick. But its fact imo. Also i said in that post wenning is one of my favourites, so who's my favourite pro thats doing the flick and pray? Sorry for personally attacking you by saying i dont think wenning does the hardest ledge tricks. I hope someday you can suck his dick for real

Is it a fact or your opinion? I dont think it can be both...
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Post by: thomas kook on June 11, 2018, 06:29:45 PM
i just saw torey pudwill being mentioned so i might as well mention dylan sourbeer as my favorite ledge killer. which he is.
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Post by: j....soy..... on June 11, 2018, 06:36:57 PM
This is a good conversation and shows there are a few types of ledge skaters.....I think of AVES's DC part too...
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Post by: butterballs for jerry on June 11, 2018, 06:59:30 PM
This is a good conversation and shows there are a few types of ledge skaters.....I think of AVES's DC part too...

He could have switch back nose grinded that ledge he switch back five oh'd. Probably got too worked on it though.. that nollie crook back 180 Is still fuckin gold though. Solid fuckin gold
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Post by: VHS ERA on June 11, 2018, 07:03:11 PM
PJ
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Post by: dumptruck12 on June 11, 2018, 07:14:34 PM
Ryan gallant, don’t believe me? Check his insta
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Post by: sharkbarf on June 11, 2018, 07:35:49 PM
Roger Mancha

Dylan Gardner
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Post by: shark tits on June 11, 2018, 07:39:35 PM
not really but luis tolentino for the fact that he can skate ledges nobody else can.
tiago could fit in that category too.
it's just how you quantify 'best'.

or alex trebek says 'he's best known for el toro and lately miniramp but he can kf fs tailslide to anything out he wants'.
james? 'what the fuck is a bachinsky?'
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Post by: botefdunn on June 11, 2018, 08:25:38 PM
Russ Milligan with the best of them
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 11, 2018, 09:18:44 PM
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Daewon, Henry, Guy, Creager, Koston, Javier, jesus , PJ, Wenning, MJ, TX, Lucas, Prod, CK, O'neill, Suciu, TOM ASTA.

In the style section MC, Gino, Arto, Kalis, Welsh, Ave, Kenny, Appleyard, Antwuan
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Lavar
also Richard Angelides
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Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 11, 2018, 10:32:48 PM
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Wenning is one of my all time favourites, but if we are talking difficulty of tricks i wouldn't put him on the list.
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This has to be the stupidest fucking post ever. I’ll never respect anything you post ever again.
Wenning’s shit is insanely difficult and done perfectly. Switch back 180 to bs nosegrind pop out early was easy? Fakie bs 5-0 to front shove out in the middle of the ledge has ever been repeated?
Along with that, yeah, balancing a switch back nosegrind for 10 feet then popping out early may not have a ton of moving parts, but its way fucking harder than your favorite pro’s flick and pray flip to grind.
You disgust me.
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Lol where did i say it was easy you fool? And yeah wenning doing a 10 foot long switch back nose grind pop out is very fucking hard, but if your gonna try and say a front feeble laser flip is easier then your tripping. Obviously not a visually pleasing trick. But its fact imo. Also i said in that post wenning is one of my favourites, so who's my favourite pro thats doing the flick and pray? Sorry for personally attacking you by saying i dont think wenning does the hardest ledge tricks. I hope someday you can suck his dick for real
Anybody who does a front feeble laser flip ON A LEDGE deserves to be taken behind a barn and shot. We said best ledge skater, not most circusy. Part of being “the best ledge skater” has to include trick selection.
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Post by: doomstation55 on June 11, 2018, 10:59:03 PM
Russ Milligan with the best of them

FUCK this is my actual answer. One of my favorites since that random digital part. It's amazing how he lived in teh bay for like a decade but was still relegated to DC/Vans Canada teams.
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Post by: happenstance on June 12, 2018, 12:16:34 AM
Early flip in flip outs:

-Mayhew: kickflip bs nosegrind nollie flip in 99
-Daewon: fakie flip fakie bs 5-0 fakie flip in 97
-Jesse Erickson: kickflip back tail bigspin flip in 99

What Video does Edward Devera switch 270 front blunt bigspin in? Wasn’t that 93 or so?

Underground dudes:
Matt Brode
Jess McCraney

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Post by: Mystical Leader on June 12, 2018, 01:33:49 AM
Got to add Dylan. with that front tail kickflip out for one of the best single ledge tricks ever done. He popped that flip higher than the ledge was.

90's
Daewon
Gino
Sanchez
Carroll
Guy

00's
Daewon
MJ
PJ
Prod
Lucas

10'
Suciu
Lucas
Tiago
Oliveira
Dekeyser
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Post by: Dark Knight on June 12, 2018, 01:55:44 AM
What Video does Edward Devera switch 270 front blunt bigspin in? Wasn’t that 93 or so?

2:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u38dpPBnouc
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Post by: roba on June 12, 2018, 02:29:27 AM
DANNY MONTOYA ALWAYS CRUSHED

yes, also rodrigo petersen
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Post by: behavioralguide on June 12, 2018, 03:06:50 AM
I think antonia durao deserves a honorable mention,

also;

tom knox, but its more of a line thing
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Post by: SodaJerk on June 12, 2018, 03:38:19 AM
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What Video does Edward Devera switch 270 front blunt bigspin in? Wasn’t that 93 or so?
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2:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u38dpPBnouc
love that part, love that video
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Post by: victor doom on June 12, 2018, 03:43:41 AM
Forgot a few more. Montoya definitely gets a nod. Even though he fell the fuck off, Kyle Leeper was unreal at one point. And nowadays Zander Mitchell's Instagram.
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Post by: fur lined sea on June 12, 2018, 04:58:32 AM
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What Video does Edward Devera switch 270 front blunt bigspin in? Wasn’t that 93 or so?
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2:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u38dpPBnouc

While we're mentioning people from San Jose... Julian Quevedo.

Of all time it's gotta be Wenning or PJ. I thought Creager's name would pop up more.
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Post by: Swithflip on June 12, 2018, 06:07:09 AM
Got to add Dylan. with that front tail kickflip out for one of the best single ledge tricks ever done. He popped that flip higher than the ledge was.

90's
Daewon
Gino
Sanchez
Carroll
Guy

00's
Daewon
MJ
PJ
Prod
Lucas

10'
Suciu
Lucas
Tiago
Felipe Gustavo[b/]
Dekeyser

Also Gustav Tonessen is the best nowadays.
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Post by: Swithflip on June 12, 2018, 06:09:08 AM
Early flip in flip outs:

-Mayhew: kickflip bs nosegrind nollie flip in 99
-Daewon: fakie flip fakie bs 5-0 fakie flip in 97
-Jesse Erickson: kickflip back tail bigspin flip in 99

What Video does Edward Devera switch 270 front blunt bigspin in? Wasn’t that 93 or so?

Underground dudes:
Matt Brode
Jess McCraney

Peter Smolik flip bs tail slide flip out 98.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Yu Dum on June 12, 2018, 09:08:54 AM
You could name more than half of the Lakai “Fully Flared” roster here.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: AreYouHarvinFun? on June 12, 2018, 09:12:20 AM
Early flip in flip outs:

-Mayhew: kickflip bs nosegrind nollie flip in 99
-Daewon: fakie flip fakie bs 5-0 fakie flip in 97
-Jesse Erickson: kickflip back tail bigspin flip in 99

What Video does Edward Devera switch 270 front blunt bigspin in? Wasn’t that 93 or so?

Underground dudes:
Matt Brode
Jess McCraney

McRaney never got his fair shake. Dude was legit.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: rejectpaul on June 12, 2018, 10:03:39 AM
Rob Welsh because Rob Welsh skates vert
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: happenstance on June 12, 2018, 10:17:22 AM
I think Gabriel Rodriguez deserves a mention for all his picnic table tricks at Lockwood in Paco.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oqfHD59PDE
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: bo golden on June 12, 2018, 10:24:22 AM
would like to mention Rodrigo TX and Javier Sarmiento.  i need to go watch Can't Stop.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: marty mcfly on June 12, 2018, 03:34:20 PM
I wouldn't put Felipe or Shane in this category. As amazing as they are, Their main skill seems to be doing tough flip tricks into and out of basic slides and grinds. I could never do it, but a part of me feels like their tech skating is more about their control over flip tricks than their ability to lock into a ledge in wild ways. Is that a weird way to look at it?

Wow...pretty fucking dumb thing to say,Mr.teacher!!!

Shane Is Good at flipping his Board into Basic slides/grinds ?what kind of bullshit is this?
Sw 360flip nosebluntslide halfcab flip
(Nosebluntslide Is basic to you?)

Nollie back heel fakie nosegrind sw heel
(Fakie nosegrind Is basic to you?)

What about bigspin fakie 5-0 halfcab flip?
...Is a fakie 5-0 basic to you?

Whats „locking into a ledge wild ways“?please explain it.
Yeah...cause i‘m Stupid bla bla bla...don’t
give me the standard gipper asshole answer
On this one!
Wenning NEVER did a single trick more technical than shane!

Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 12, 2018, 03:49:26 PM
You almost had a reasonable response, but then you had to be a dumb jealous kook with a vendetta against me despite the fact that I have no clue who the fuck you are.

I still prefer Wenning. Cry, bitch.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on June 12, 2018, 03:58:55 PM
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I wouldn't put Felipe or Shane in this category. As amazing as they are, Their main skill seems to be doing tough flip tricks into and out of basic slides and grinds. I could never do it, but a part of me feels like their tech skating is more about their control over flip tricks than their ability to lock into a ledge in wild ways. Is that a weird way to look at it?
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Wow...pretty fucking dumb thing to say,Mr.teacher!!!

Shane Is Good at flipping his Board into Basic slides/grinds ?what kind of bullshit is this?
Sw 360flip nosebluntslide halfcab flip
(Nosebluntslide Is basic to you?)

Nollie back heel fakie nosegrind sw heel
(Fakie nosegrind Is basic to you?)

What about bigspin fakie 5-0 halfcab flip?
...Is a fakie 5-0 basic to you?

Whats „locking into a ledge wild ways“?please explain it.
Yeah...cause i‘m Stupid bla bla bla...don’t
give me the standard gipper asshole answer
On this one!
Wenning NEVER did a single trick more technical than shane!

This is on point. It's not what you want to hear gip, but it's truth.


Also, looking through the posts and damn I overlooked alot of people. Probably alot more being over looked too.

Russ millgan absolutely belongs on the list.

I don't think he's been mentioned? But with all the PJ mentions you have to add gallant, imo.

Glad stenger was mentioned.

For technically advancing ledge skating in the present, hard to say Shane O'Neill is not the best currently.

Creager for me was the funnest to watch. Mj too


Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: marty mcfly on June 12, 2018, 03:59:52 PM
You almost had a reasonable response, but then you had to be a dumb jealous kook with a vendetta against me despite the fact that I have no clue who the fuck you are.

I still prefer Wenning. Cry, bitch.

And of course he’s coming trough with
the gipper asshole answer while thinking
a long backside nosegrind is more technical
than a Switch flip back tail Switch 270 heel.
Nope,bitch!
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: bawtawdinfinity on June 12, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
I'm a fan of smoliks noses and tails
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 12, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
Not talking shit on the facts, mocking him for having a vendetta against me when I don’t even know who he is. Why so mad?

And the idea that Wenning just does nosegrinds its pretty stupid.
But I’m done with this nobody trying to get his clout up by trolling me.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: bo bice on June 12, 2018, 04:09:33 PM
Lol message board clout holy fuck you guys, call your mother every now and then huh
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 12, 2018, 04:11:29 PM
You wouldn’t think it would be a thing, but I regularly get nobody posters on here angrily trying to talk shit to me over nothing because they think it makes them cool or something, and there’s no other word I can think of to describe what their apparent goal in doing so is.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: marty mcfly on June 12, 2018, 04:15:06 PM
You wouldn’t think it would be a thing, but I regularly get nobody posters on here angrily trying to talk shit to me over nothing because they think it makes them cool or something, and there’s no other word I can think of to describe what their apparent goal in doing so is.

What’s locking into a ledge wild ways?
Simple question...no trolling!!!
Why isn’t shane in this category?
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Wizard Fight on June 12, 2018, 04:16:56 PM
Gipper just gips, it's a truth learned over time. Respect. Let him be.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: marty mcfly on June 12, 2018, 04:21:32 PM
Gipper just gips, it's a truth learned over time. Respect. Let him be.
Yeah!
maybe my first post was to harsh,but i‘m
really curious.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 12, 2018, 04:35:04 PM
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You wouldn’t think it would be a thing, but I regularly get nobody posters on here angrily trying to talk shit to me over nothing because they think it makes them cool or something, and there’s no other word I can think of to describe what their apparent goal in doing so is.

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What’s locking into a ledge wild ways?
Simple question...no trolling!!!
Why isn’t shane in this category?
Shane does to some extent. You brought some decent examples up. When I think of Wenning I think of tricks like switch Pupecki grinds, fakie b/s 5-0’s perfectly balanced popped into and out of the middle of the ledge and with perfect balance (can’t think of anybody else who does that one), balanced fakie bs nosegrind to switch heel out. Some flip tricks for sure, but more of a focus of how he gets into and grinds, locks into them, balances them, and pops out of them.
Its like a “pure” ledge skater thing. I can’t think of any wild flip tricks he can do or do into or out of tricks, but somehow he takes simple elements and does them as perfectly as imaginable. He’s bot the most tech ledge skater the way Shane can be, but to me being a great ledge skater isn’t just about how tech your ledge tricks are. If that were the case ledge skating would have peaked in like ‘92 with the wild curb combos. But to me, there are a lot of important elements to ledge skating that aren’t about how tech it is. How do theu get in or out, how long do they slide, how well its balanced, how good do the intangibles about their style show through...all of that matters to me. Shane may not have been the best example of a dude who isn’t like that because there are some examples of it, but I still like Wenning and his whole mindset and style more than Shane’s though.
Edit: think of it this way- to switch 360 flip into a noseblunt you need an amazing switch 360 flip, to switch heel out of a fakie nosegrind you need a perfect fakie nosegrind.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: marty mcfly on June 12, 2018, 04:45:31 PM
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You wouldn’t think it would be a thing, but I regularly get nobody posters on here angrily trying to talk shit to me over nothing because they think it makes them cool or something, and there’s no other word I can think of to describe what their apparent goal in doing so is.
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What’s locking into a ledge wild ways?
Simple question...no trolling!!!
Why isn’t shane in this category?
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Shane does to some extent. You brought some decent examples up. When I think of Wenning I think of tricks like switch Pupecki grinds, fakie b/s 5-0’s perfectly balanced popped into and out of the middle of the ledge and with perfect balance (can’t think of anybody else who does that one), balanced fakie bs nosegrind to switch heel out. Some flip tricks for sure, but more of a focus of how he gets into and grinds, locks into them, balances them, and pops out of them.
Its like a “pure” ledge skater thing. I can’t think of any wild flip tricks he can do or do into or out of tricks, but somehow he takes simple elements and does them as perfectly as imaginable. He’s bot the most tech ledge skater the way Shane can be, but to me being a great ledge skater isn’t just about how tech your ledge tricks are. If that were the case ledge skating would have peaked in like ‘92 with the wild curb combos. But to me, there are a lot of important elements to ledge skating that aren’t about how tech it is. How do theu get in or out, how long do they slide, how well its balanced, how good do the intangibles about their style show through...all of that matters to me. Shane may not have been the best example of a dude who isn’t like that because there are some examples of it, but I still like Wenning and his whole mindset and style more than Shane’s though.

Ok,gip...now I got you!
And i‘m sure Shane never grinded his tricks
as long and as “manualed“  as Wenning!
Flip in/flip out is always the first thing that
comes to my mind,when i think about tech.
Good point!
sorry for the first asshole post!

Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: redcurb12 on June 12, 2018, 04:48:00 PM
not enough love for rodrigo
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Iceman on June 12, 2018, 05:24:05 PM
Early flip in flip outs:

-Mayhew: kickflip bs nosegrind nollie flip in 99
-Daewon: fakie flip fakie bs 5-0 fakie flip in 97
-Jesse Erickson: kickflip back tail bigspin flip in 99
also late 90's danny garcia kickflip back tail kickflip
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: 5inchDick on June 12, 2018, 06:04:23 PM
YOU KNOW WHAT

WEIGER VAN W


I WAS THINKING ABOUT A ASPECT OF LEDGE SKATING THAT I LIKE AND THATS REALLY LONG GRINDS AND SLIDES AND THAT RED HEADED FUCKING FUCK DOES THEM THE BEST

SO YEAH WEIGER !!!!

BUT ALSO

WADE D

PRETTY FUCKING ON POINT FROM ALL ASPECTS ...

BUT STILL BRIAN EMMERS


GOTTA RESPECT THE SKILLS
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: 5inchDick on June 12, 2018, 06:21:43 PM
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I wouldn't put Felipe or Shane in this category. As amazing as they are, Their main skill seems to be doing tough flip tricks into and out of basic slides and grinds. I could never do it, but a part of me feels like their tech skating is more about their control over flip tricks than their ability to lock into a ledge in wild ways. Is that a weird way to look at it?
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Wow...pretty fucking dumb thing to say,Mr.teacher!!!

Shane Is Good at flipping his Board into Basic slides/grinds ?what kind of bullshit is this?
Sw 360flip nosebluntslide halfcab flip
(Nosebluntslide Is basic to you?)

Nollie back heel fakie nosegrind sw heel
(Fakie nosegrind Is basic to you?)

What about bigspin fakie 5-0 halfcab flip?
...Is a fakie 5-0 basic to you?

Whats „locking into a ledge wild ways“?please explain it.
Yeah...cause i‘m Stupid bla bla bla...don’t
give me the standard gipper asshole answer
On this one!
Wenning NEVER did a single trick more technical than shane!


LETS SEE

WENNING DOING THE GOOD OLE SWITCH FLIP BACK TAIL 360 SHUV ABOUT 10 YEARS BEFORE SHANE WAS ON THE SCNE FUCKING COUNTS SO YOURE BITCH ASS SHOULD JUST GO SHUT UP AND CRY IN A CORNER WHILE JERKING OFF TO YOUR ALL TIME FAVE SHANE SKATEBOARDING IN A HOT ASS SHIRT ON A 100DEGREE DAY
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: 5inchDick on June 12, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
AND JUST ONE MORE BECAUSE IM ON A FUCKING ROLL

HOW ABOUT MR.WENNINGS

FAKIE OLLIE - SWITCH BACK 5-0 - HEEL FUCKING FLIP AT MACBA !!!!


HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DESCRIBE THAT ???
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: mclovin1336 on June 13, 2018, 12:46:01 AM
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Mike mo fakie front crook Tre flip.  Still hasn't been done again
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Still haven't seen any footage of anyone else doing it.

I know Slap likes to hate on Sewa, but the dude has done some insane tricks. Hardflip bs nosegrind late front foot flip out.

Youness should be mentioned here as well.
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i've said it and will say it again, flo does em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-sqzwpcvj4 2:48

edit: and it's on a "real" ledge not some pre-berrics bench in a warehouse
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that was a varial flip out not a tre. amazing nonetheless
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I've said Mike mo's trick hadn't been done before and the same guy responded with that video. I then pointed out it's a varial flip and never got a response from him. I'll see you in the next "best ledge trick ever" thread and we can repeat this little waltz of ours

oh shit, im stupid, my bad. nonetheless i think he can do it. go flo!
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: kid casserole on June 13, 2018, 01:35:38 AM
ron creager
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: I sniff Jim Gagne's butthole all the time on June 16, 2018, 07:44:36 PM
satva leung
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on June 17, 2018, 01:38:12 AM
Maybe not the best but this is CRAAAAAZY.


http://www.instagram.com/p/BT0DpCiheVk/?hl=en&taken-by=tomasta



Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: quaintly on June 17, 2018, 02:50:19 AM

YOU KNOW WHAT

WEIGER VAN W


I WAS THINKING ABOUT A ASPECT OF LEDGE SKATING THAT I LIKE AND THATS REALLY LONG GRINDS AND SLIDES AND THAT RED HEADED FUCKING FUCK DOES THEM THE BEST

SO YEAH WEIGER !!!!


Yep - weiger is by far the best at locking
In -
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 17, 2018, 01:42:51 PM
Weiger’s back tails on ledges are fucking amazing. Is he still on enjoi?
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: roba on June 17, 2018, 01:45:37 PM
Weiger’s back tails on ledges are fucking amazing. Is he still on enjoi?

he quit, allegedly because dwindle deaded cliche
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: franc on June 17, 2018, 01:54:10 PM
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Daewon, Henry, Guy, Creager, Koston, Javier, jesus , PJ, Wenning, MJ, TX, Lucas, Prod, CK, O'neill, Suciu, TOM ASTA.

In the style section MC, Gino, Arto, Kalis, Welsh, Ave, Kenny, Appleyard, Antwuan
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Thread/
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Lavar
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also Richard Angelides

Let's not forget Karl Watson...

And probably thousands of Brazilians we've never even heard about! Kauê Cossa.

Brad Cromer has a really good ledge game but then again his skating as a whole is super solid.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: butterballs for jerry on June 17, 2018, 04:06:47 PM
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Mike mo fakie front crook Tre flip.  Still hasn't been done again
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Still haven't seen any footage of anyone else doing it.

I know Slap likes to hate on Sewa, but the dude has done some insane tricks. Hardflip bs nosegrind late front foot flip out.

Youness should be mentioned here as well.
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i've said it and will say it again, flo does em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-sqzwpcvj4 2:48

edit: and it's on a "real" ledge not some pre-berrics bench in a warehouse
[close]

that was a varial flip out not a tre. amazing nonetheless
[close]

I've said Mike mo's trick hadn't been done before and the same guy responded with that video. I then pointed out it's a varial flip and never got a response from him. I'll see you in the next "best ledge trick ever" thread and we can repeat this little waltz of ours
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oh shit, im stupid, my bad. nonetheless i think he can do it. go flo!

Haha it's all good, just a funny thing between two strangers on the internet. Believe me, I wanna see Flo do one so bad, each new video part of his I hope for it. I wonder if kids will appreciate how insane it is when it happens, like how much time it took for skating to catch up to that Mike mo part.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: GardenSkater77 on June 17, 2018, 05:32:07 PM
Weiger’s back tails on ledges are fucking amazing. Is he still on enjoi?

Skate Mental

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bc-IadejlDu/?hl=en
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: bawtawdinfinity on June 17, 2018, 05:43:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giozi9THGMA
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 17, 2018, 06:05:11 PM
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Mike mo fakie front crook Tre flip.  Still hasn't been done again
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Still haven't seen any footage of anyone else doing it.

I know Slap likes to hate on Sewa, but the dude has done some insane tricks. Hardflip bs nosegrind late front foot flip out.

Youness should be mentioned here as well.
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i've said it and will say it again, flo does em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-sqzwpcvj4 2:48

edit: and it's on a "real" ledge not some pre-berrics bench in a warehouse
[close]

that was a varial flip out not a tre. amazing nonetheless
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I've said Mike mo's trick hadn't been done before and the same guy responded with that video. I then pointed out it's a varial flip and never got a response from him. I'll see you in the next "best ledge trick ever" thread and we can repeat this little waltz of ours
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oh shit, im stupid, my bad. nonetheless i think he can do it. go flo!
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Haha it's all good, just a funny thing between two strangers on the internet. Believe me, I wanna see Flo do one so bad, each new video part of his I hope for it. I wonder if kids will appreciate how insane it is when it happens, like how much time it took for skating to catch up to that Mike mo part.
The thing about that one too is the fact that he makes it look so fucking good. The way he flicks it and catches it out of the grind is so cool
Title: Re: LEDGE
Post by: DCLOVE on June 17, 2018, 07:27:30 PM
Maybe not the best but this is CRAAAAAZY.


http://www.instagram.com/p/BT0DpCiheVk/?hl=en&taken-by=tomasta

Watching that sls London warm up run on his insta, he deserves so much more than Santa Cruz dude is still better and more consistent than 90% of pros and gets like no shine. Skateboarding is stupid right now. Most teams are mediocre with one heavy hitter and I think it’s ruining skating. Let’s get a best dude on each team thread going.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Get fired up on June 18, 2018, 11:31:15 PM
Russ Milligan

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrgsYkjyq6Q
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: ungzilla on June 19, 2018, 07:16:23 AM
damn that was awesome, i always forget that he could do every trick
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: spanyard on June 19, 2018, 07:44:43 AM
AVE
Mariano, Howard, and Koston in mouse
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: CHOW on June 19, 2018, 08:21:35 AM
Wenning has always been my favorite for the reasons mentioned by Gipper and others, but also out of irrational New Jersey pride. Jersey is fertile ground for ledge skaters. That's probably why you can catch Asta at the Princeton Fountain seemingly every weekend.

Other than that, Dekeyzer is fucking incredible and I don't think Austyn gets enough credit for his ledge game.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: happenstance on June 19, 2018, 10:17:50 AM
I think this part made me want to skate ledges more than any other part in my childhood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVAAWsTeR1s
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: fang on June 19, 2018, 12:00:15 PM
PJ  or Guy
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: delaware county on June 19, 2018, 03:05:12 PM
Travis Stenger
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: BallDontLie on June 19, 2018, 05:44:53 PM
Travis Stenger
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Hypnotoad on June 19, 2018, 05:49:31 PM
Agree with lots of these.
I think Bobby Worrest deserves a mention.  Lots of insanely hard switch shit with speed and power.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Swithflip on June 19, 2018, 06:05:39 PM
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Travis Stenger
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Old Wade.
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: Get the strap on June 19, 2018, 06:10:10 PM
 For a really serious answer in this order:

1. Guy Mariano
2. Henry Sanchez
3. Brian Wenning

Those 3 are legends and the majority of their skating is ledges. I feel Jesus Fernandez is up there but he's not as legendary as those 3, so I gave up listing more, it's too hard to say. There's plenty of legendary ledge skaters but they're also legends skating other stuff...like Chris Cole and Eric Koston for example.

Picking the best ledge trick of all time is too broad. Techest, longest, stylish, nose grind, back tail, nose blunt? You'd have to do categories. Maybe what video has the best ledge skating of all time, Mouse?
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: BallDontLie on June 19, 2018, 06:14:30 PM
I’ll also add Brian Lotti if he hasn’t already been mentioned...
Title: Re: LEDGEnd
Post by: 93til.... on June 19, 2018, 07:36:47 PM
Damn... Good topic..
Henry
Carroll
Creager
Jesus Fernandez
Welsh
Biebel
Gino
Lotti
Daewon
MJ
I'll be back to edit / update surely....