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Title: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: seriouslystopthis on June 12, 2018, 11:40:06 PM
Throwaway account via VPN.  Because the SJW fuckers will not like this.

Heroin.

We recently lost a brother this week. He had a wife and family. So fucked up. We had no fucking idea he was shooting up.  Some of us did, and they didn't address the fact.

Listen, it's been a long ride.  When you rule at everything and your body hurts from skateboarding, dont fuck it up inside.  Hard drugs and the needle is a joke.  Dont ever for a minute let anyone ... ANYONE  tell you it's cool.  You are looking for the next rush and this rush is a dead end.

Stop it.  Talk about it.  The skateboard community turns a blind eye to this and it needs to stop.

Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: pabloalvarado on June 13, 2018, 12:07:31 AM
Bummer, this isnt a thread about Tracer.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: KoRnholio8 on June 13, 2018, 12:23:41 AM
no one here will ever defend the use of heroin. It just seems in bad taste to blame the user after he overdoses. The death itself speaks volume and those who do not hear the message need support and understanding and not hate
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: bo bice on June 13, 2018, 12:30:01 AM
Lol SJWs??  You’re really trying to making heroin a political issue huh. Sorry about your friend truly, I’ve lost a few to it myself, but how bout make this a separate conversation then the one about why you’re an incel..
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on June 13, 2018, 03:05:48 AM
you could, retroactively, turn this thread into a place for hope rather than blame or anger (although I certainly wouldn't judge the violent, unpredictable, emotional arena of unexpectedly losing someone to drugs). a lot of Slap Pals have trudged the dark road of addiction and recovered one way or another. what works for one person might not work for someone else, but I was a long term painkiller addict and developed into a full blown junkie/alcoholic and got help. what worked for me was detox, outpatient, therapy, psychiatry, meds, and a program, but that's not for everybody. most days I commute on a packed, dysfunctional train fighting for space and this really helps me get my head right. xo. :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=955mKxyBnnE
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: ChronicBluntSlider on June 13, 2018, 03:42:01 AM
virginity can be such a scourge
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: CrumblingInfrastructure on June 13, 2018, 04:49:15 AM
Never got into Heroin but for a minute when I was about 12 or so I was smoking Oxy's. I took a long hard look in the mirror one day and kicked opiates while I was able too. Got a bunch of close family/friends who can't live or function without a fix. It hurts my heart every time I hear a old friend got locked up/killed/od'd on that shit. I can't even pretend to know what its like to kick that type of addiction. I know there are some people on here who have dealt with it and I can only give props to those who have stayed off. Every fucking day is a battle. Big love to all the pals out there struggling or trying to stay clean. I wish the best for you. Opiates arent a joking matter.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: SneakySecrets on June 13, 2018, 05:24:49 AM
I bought this deck and skated it for like 15 minutes before I realized that I loved it too much to skate.  (https://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Heroin_Deck-Shimizu-Kaiju-8-125-Bottom-570x570.jpg)
He HAS such a cool, unique style.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: TheDraught on June 13, 2018, 05:57:34 AM
are you referring to Mark Hubbard?
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: shark tits on June 13, 2018, 06:00:26 AM
heroin has killed a lot of my friends.
but it has also killed a lot of people i hate.
heroin is neutral. i used to laugh at rednecks i did day labor w/ 'i use meth as a tool' but if you've got the right way about you, heroin is medicine. most people w/ the risk taking to try it aren't built w/ the willpower to use it correctly.
everyone has to find despair on their own.

[i had a fat girlfriend mention the elephant in the room to me once and i was like 'damn baby, why the harsh self image?']
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: ChuckRamone on June 13, 2018, 06:26:21 AM
actually the republicans use the elephant as their logo so you might be addressing the alt righter in the room.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: iKobrakai on June 13, 2018, 06:38:04 AM
Well, in my opinion, we focus a whole lot on what to do with people when they are already addicted. Harm reduction and rehabs are great, sadly, people will OD with clean needles too and about 5% or so will make it after a rehab.

The problem is that many people turn to drugs to begin with. If mental issues, especially amongst teens, were dealt with as soon as possible, I suspect that very few would be in this sad state.

Then again, my proposition is way to hard/expensive to implement and I, once again, don't have any solutions.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: straight on June 13, 2018, 06:45:05 AM
I bought this deck and skated it for like 15 minutes before I realized that I loved it too much to skate.  (https://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Heroin_Deck-Shimizu-Kaiju-8-125-Bottom-570x570.jpg)
He had such a cool, unique style.

this post fucked me up for a second .. delete it
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: bawtawdinfinity on June 13, 2018, 07:00:52 AM
I'll play with needles all day but not with opiates in em. Follow this rule and you will fuck up your life, but not die. You wanna play dumb ya gotta be smart. You could still die but its done me solid.

And drugs are cool, too cool, they are cooler than you, that's the problem.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Hypnotoad on June 13, 2018, 07:36:02 AM
I like how you think you need to make a secure burner account because SJWs will come after you for discouraging heroin use.  Your concerns about libtards lead me to believe you’re one of those swastika apologists who’ve popped up over the last few weeks, but yeah... don’t do heroin. 

Also, if you do heroin and stop for a while, don’t do the same amount you were doing before.  That’s how my friends have gone.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Mongoloid on June 13, 2018, 08:10:17 AM
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I bought this deck and skated it for like 15 minutes before I realized that I loved it too much to skate.  (https://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Heroin_Deck-Shimizu-Kaiju-8-125-Bottom-570x570.jpg)
He had such a cool, unique style.
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this post fucked me up for a second .. delete it

So I’m not the only one that thought Daniel Shimizu died after reading this post?
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: behavioralguide on June 13, 2018, 08:15:43 AM
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I bought this deck and skated it for like 15 minutes before I realized that I loved it too much to skate.  (https://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Heroin_Deck-Shimizu-Kaiju-8-125-Bottom-570x570.jpg)
He had such a cool, unique style.
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this post fucked me up for a second .. delete it
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So I’m not the only one that thought Daniel Shimizu died after reading this post?

I just googled 'daniel shimizu death' only to get this google hit that conviently cut out some parts of the article (on jenkem) and caused the 2nd skipped heartbeat (the post above being the 1st)

AN ODE TO DANIEL SHIMIZU · January 25 ... Seems the only “respectable” way out of skating is death. ... Daniel Shimizu is now one of them.

Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Not Local on June 13, 2018, 08:32:02 AM
are you referring to Mark Hubbard?

I think he is. And from what I've heard the skate community that knew Hubbard is not that willing to speak about the cause of his death publicly. That's where the discussion could be. Suicide or drug OD, often we feel the need to quieten those causes down a bit... Why is that?
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: SneakySecrets on June 13, 2018, 08:36:34 AM
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I bought this deck and skated it for like 15 minutes before I realized that I loved it too much to skate.  (https://skatepharm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Heroin_Deck-Shimizu-Kaiju-8-125-Bottom-570x570.jpg)
He had such a cool, unique style.
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this post fucked me up for a second .. delete it
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So I’m not the only one that thought Daniel Shimizu died after reading this post?
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I just googled 'daniel shimizu death' only to get this google hit that conviently cut out some parts of the article (on jenkem) and caused the 2nd skipped heartbeat (the post above being the 1st)

AN ODE TO DANIEL SHIMIZU · January 25 ... Seems the only “respectable” way out of skating is death. ... Daniel Shimizu is now one of them.


Haha, it does kind of sound like I’m saying that he died, sorry.  That would be awful.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: jakeumms on June 13, 2018, 08:45:22 AM
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are you referring to Mark Hubbard?
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I think he is. And from what I've heard the skate community that knew Hubbard is not that willing to speak about the cause of his death publicly. That's where the discussion could be. Suicide or drug OD, often we feel the need to quieten those causes down a bit... Why is that?

I think this is a really valid point. Opiates eat anybody up, regardless of gender, race, class, what have you. It's another great equalizer. In the midst of a nationwide health crisis that is at least attributable to yet more corporate greed gone wild staying silent about addiction further stigmatizes it and just fuels the problem. Still, I respect the family's wish for privacy, especially right now. I just hope there can be a real conversation about this some time in the future.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on June 13, 2018, 08:54:46 AM
What’s SJW’s?  ???
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: SneakySecrets on June 13, 2018, 08:57:01 AM
What’s SJW’s?  ???

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sjw
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: feedmeseymour on June 13, 2018, 09:13:01 AM
dated a recovering heroin addict for a while, knew her since i was a kid. that shit is awful, hard to break, and leads to other shit too. now shes hooked on xanax and will seize out when she goes through withdrawl. shes a piece of shit already, and adding dope and whatever else only makes a person worse.

just smoke weed like normal people.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: GAY on June 13, 2018, 09:19:39 AM
What’s SJW’s?  ???

That super-group Sistas With Voices, I think.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: WarmUpZone on June 13, 2018, 09:26:00 AM
I wonder if the 'sobriety narrative' that is being told again and again with all these skate interview podcasts might oddly be romanticizing drug and alcohol abuse. I'm talking about the classic story of a pro skater who is out of control with substance abuse who gets his act together, and how happy he is to be sober and healthy now.

Reynolds, Wenning, Greco, Ellington, Goatmouf, Boulala, Spanky, Lizard King, Neen (basically the whole OG Piss Drunx except Dollin) plus so many others... I'm glad they got their lives together, but these heartwarming tales of overcoming addiction are all have a prerequisite of getting fucked up in the first place.

Nobody gives you props for not getting hooked on drugs in the first place, which I get cause avoiding drugs entirely doesn't make for a compelling narrative. But I can see kids hearing Grosso's Nine Club and not being turned off from drugs.

The sobriety narrative is appealing... have a great time on drugs or drinking, have a brief dark spell, and then be a hero with interesting stories to tell by making a sober comeback.

Seriously, only the tales of friends dying from overdose, or the reality of what Boulala (and now Corey Kennedy) will be going through for the rest of their lives as the result of their intoxication, are actual deterrents. If Hubbard died from heroin, as embarrassing as that is, it should be known if just to let young skaters know that not all skate addicts make comebacks.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: se7en3two on June 13, 2018, 09:33:32 AM
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are you referring to Mark Hubbard?
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I think he is. And from what I've heard the skate community that knew Hubbard is not that willing to speak about the cause of his death publicly. That's where the discussion could be. Suicide or drug OD, often we feel the need to quieten those causes down a bit... Why is that?
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I think this is a really valid point. Opiates eat anybody up, regardless of gender, race, class, what have you. It's another great equalizer. In the midst of a nationwide health crisis that is at least attributable to yet more corporate greed gone wild staying silent about addiction further stigmatizes it and just fuels the problem. Still, I respect the family's wish for privacy, especially right now. I just hope there can be a real conversation about this some time in the future.

Maybe because he had 3 kids, the impact there needs to be considered.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: SneakySecrets on June 13, 2018, 09:47:09 AM
Nobody gives you props for not getting hooked on drugs in the first place, which I get cause avoiding drugs entirely doesn't make for a compelling narrative. But I can see kids hearing Grosso's Nine Club and not being turned off from drugs.

The sobriety narrative is appealing... have a great time on drugs or drinking, have a brief dark spell, and then be a hero with interesting stories to tell by making a comeback

That’s a pretty interesting take on the subject, and I think you have a good point.  I remember watching Brandon Westgate’s epicly latrd and them talking about how he’s just this well-adjusted, responsible young guy that is interested in home improvement projects.  I remember thinking how cool it was that he didn’t give a fuck what people thought of him and didn’t try to pretend he was something he wasn’t. 

If I were 15 years old, I know for a fact that I wouldn’t find any of that to be appealing.  It’s a shame that it’s often the super self-obsessed people (Jim Greco being a great example) get much more publicity than guys like Brandon Westgate or Jeremy Wray. 

I remember that slow mo intro of Jim Greco in Baker2g (99% sure it was that one) where he looks like he’s some sort of reanimated corpse in a leather jacket... it always made me feel dirty and gross.  Years later he put out that awful film analyzing himself and philosophizing about how wise and sober he had become.  Unbearable.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: shark tits on June 13, 2018, 09:55:57 AM
when i was a kid one of my favorite books was 'a hero ain't nothin but a sandwich' and in it there's a line about not wanting to glamorize recovery since it could make kids to think 'horse was something to pick up in order to bravely kick'.

that book made me wanna be a black junkie in 70s harlem so bad!
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: bawtawdinfinity on June 13, 2018, 10:08:35 AM
Deathwish summer tour video probably killed hundreds of kids lol

Man a lot of kids I knew in school are dead. But people keep picking up the habit. If your gonna go off the deep end mine as well do some weird ass dog drugs to differentiate your death from being just another heroin casualty.

I dunno, I get heroin, its ok, not the greatest. But ill be damned if that shits gonna take me out like everyone else. Fuck that bullshit.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 13, 2018, 10:25:26 AM
Way to take the courageous position that heroin is bad! Those sjw’s with their social service degrees and jobs working at homeless shelters and rehabs definitely are pro-heroin and would come at you for daring to insult it!
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: DCLOVE on June 13, 2018, 10:29:54 AM
Why would SJW’s not like someone advocating against heroin use? Like who the fuck advocates that shit? You’re dumb. Also if you’re cool with using heroin in the first place you’re already a lost cause in my book. Junkies will come and they will go and unfortunately nothing I say will stop that cycle . It’s up to the addict to want help, not us trying to change them, they’ll feel attacked and dive deeper.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: ticklefingers on June 13, 2018, 10:52:41 AM
How can I actually help someone close to me who is struggling with opiates? Rehab, giving them money, a place to stay, a job has failed and/or all backfired.

I'm sure there's tons of info on the web, but I'm interested in SLAP's thoughts and experiences.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: SneakySecrets on June 13, 2018, 11:00:03 AM
I was think about Anthony Bourdain who had to struggle day-in and day-out getting paid a lot of money to travel around the world and eat.  It’s kind of a miracle he held out for as long as he did.

It’s the kind of struggle you really can’t appreciate until you’ve lived through it, I’m told.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 13, 2018, 11:03:03 AM
How can I actually help someone close to me who is struggling with opiates? Rehab, giving them money, a place to stay, a job has failed and/or all backfired.

I'm sure there's tons of info on the web, but I'm interested in SLAP's thoughts and experiences.
Last thing you wanna do is give a junkie money
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Not Local on June 13, 2018, 11:14:15 AM
How can I actually help someone close to me who is struggling with opiates? Rehab, giving them money, a place to stay, a job has failed and/or all backfired.

I'm sure there's tons of info on the web, but I'm interested in SLAP's thoughts and experiences.

There's no universal answer to this. I've lost a brother and got several other family members still in opiate addiction. Being supportive and non-judgmental when they need it but also holding firm boundaries and not enabling... its not easy.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Get the strap on June 13, 2018, 11:55:15 AM
I wonder if the 'sobriety narrative' that is being told again and again with all these skate interview podcasts might oddly be romanticizing drug and alcohol abuse. I'm talking about the classic story of a pro skater who is out of control with substance abuse who gets his act together, and how happy he is to be sober and healthy now.

Reynolds, Wenning, Greco, Ellington, Goatmouf, Boulala, Spanky, Lizard King, Neen (basically the whole OG Piss Drunx except Dollin) plus so many others... I'm glad they got their lives together, but these heartwarming tales of overcoming addiction are all have a prerequisite of getting fucked up in the first place.

Nobody gives you props for not getting hooked on drugs in the first place, which I get cause avoiding drugs entirely doesn't make for a compelling narrative. But I can see kids hearing Grosso's Nine Club and not being turned off from drugs.

The sobriety narrative is appealing... have a great time on drugs or drinking, have a brief dark spell, and then be a hero with interesting stories to tell by making a sober comeback.

Seriously, only the tales of friends dying from overdose, or the reality of what Boulala (and now Corey Kennedy) will be going through for the rest of their lives as the result of their intoxication, are actual deterrents. If Hubbard died from heroin, as embarrassing as that is, it should be known if just to let young skaters know that not all skate addicts make comebacks.

Glad you pointed out the sobriety narrative is appealing because I believe that is the main reason why it's told. They're advertising the brand and the skater while telling "the story". I don't think the sobriety interviews are influencing new drug and alcohol abusers. I think it's still traditional factors that trigger abuse, income, relationships, politics, etc. However the whole turn up get dumb culture definitely influences heavy drug and alcohol abuse, no question.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: jakeumms on June 13, 2018, 12:06:21 PM
The sobriety narrative 100% helped me get of drugs. Addiction is different for different people. Unfortunately, that's what makes it such a complicated issue.
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Post by: iKobrakai on June 13, 2018, 12:30:39 PM
The sobriety narrative 100% helped me get of drugs. Addiction is different for different people. Unfortunately, that's what makes it such a complicated issue.

For sure. I remember watching Greco's EL junked out, thinking "Some day I'll get off this shit, too." Took some years.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: darkthrone on June 13, 2018, 12:50:54 PM
Shimizu is alive and well, saw him last night.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on June 13, 2018, 01:03:34 PM
Do you think liberals are pro-heroin or something? F anything that seems like some libertarian right leaning shit
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on June 13, 2018, 01:04:20 PM
Also anyone who seriously uses the term SJW is a giant man-baby
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: sluggers on June 13, 2018, 01:47:04 PM
How can I actually help someone close to me who is struggling with opiates? Rehab, giving them money, a place to stay, a job has failed and/or all backfired.

I'm sure there's tons of info on the web, but I'm interested in SLAP's thoughts and experiences.

There is no one long term solution, they need to hit rock bottom and want it for themselves.  But, in the short term have him/her carry around an EpiPen or two and make sure when using his friends also know how to use it.

A friend of mine overdosed and was kicked out of the apartment by his "friends" to lay there to die in the stairwell instead of calling for help or being able/willing to help.

Check the laws in your state as many have laws where you will not get into trouble if you are trying to help in the case of an overdose most people freak out and do nothing.

If they can afford inpatient care/rehab and they consent then that is probably the best bet and first step to recovery.

Ultimately, they need to deal with the source of the underlying pain they are trying to numb.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: max power on June 13, 2018, 01:55:52 PM
There is no one long term solution, they need to hit rock bottom and want it for themselves.  But, in the short term have him carry around an EpiPen or two and make sure when using his friends also know how to use it.
Shouldn't that be Narcan?
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: shark tits on June 13, 2018, 01:58:37 PM
narcan reverses overdoses, not an epipen. that's for anaphalatic shock.

friend of mine had narcan in the car but the cops wouldn't let him save his girl, just had to watch her die waiting for 'professionals' to give her narcan.

*in a pinch, uppers can reverse an OD, i usedta tell my friends 'put some crakc in my arm if i go out, i don't wanna go ER'
** do as i say not as i did
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: sluggers on June 13, 2018, 02:01:42 PM
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There is no one long term solution, they need to hit rock bottom and want it for themselves.  But, in the short term have him carry around an EpiPen or two and make sure when using his friends also know how to use it.
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Shouldn't that be Narcan?

Well, there is the EpiPen known as Evzio which is an auto-injector, the name epipen is just the mechanism. Narcan is the nasal spray. So, yes, that is of use too. But, it is complicated.

http://nhpr.org/post/granite-geek-narcan-not-exactly-epipen-heroin#stream/0 (http://nhpr.org/post/granite-geek-narcan-not-exactly-epipen-heroin#stream/0)
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Jim and Dan on June 13, 2018, 02:23:37 PM
I know of at least 2 board members that used to shoot up together but have since put the needle down for good...

P.S. I'm one of them...
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Number on June 13, 2018, 02:29:34 PM
How can I actually help someone close to me who is struggling with opiates? Rehab, giving them money, a place to stay, a job has failed and/or all backfired.

I'm sure there's tons of info on the web, but I'm interested in SLAP's thoughts and experiences.

Kratom helped me kick my heroin habit. That and a positive group of friends and fam to encourage getting clean. Everyone is different. Some dont want to quit.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: shark tits on June 13, 2018, 02:32:18 PM
I know of at least 2 board members that used to shoot up together but have since put the needle down for good...

P.S. I'm one of them...
the other one wanted to holler at you last wk to skate providence but ain't got a phone and we were already enroute.
i hate to glamourize drug abuse but one time jim and dan came to my town and i showed him this wicked crummy bank to wall that we could only bs wallride and he kickflip wallrid it.
it's like our local tom penny story or some shit.
glad we're both doing well.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Sad Hippo on June 13, 2018, 03:02:51 PM
I know of at least 2 board members that used to shoot up together but have since put the needle down for good...

P.S. I'm one of them...

Wait, you did drugs? I didn't know that since you never mention it, ever...
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: gub on June 13, 2018, 03:14:47 PM
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are you referring to Mark Hubbard?
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I think he is. And from what I've heard the skate community that knew Hubbard is not that willing to speak about the cause of his death publicly. That's where the discussion could be. Suicide or drug OD, often we feel the need to quieten those causes down a bit... Why is that?
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I think this is a really valid point. Opiates eat anybody up, regardless of gender, race, class, what have you. It's another great equalizer. In the midst of a nationwide health crisis that is at least attributable to yet more corporate greed gone wild staying silent about addiction further stigmatizes it and just fuels the problem. Still, I respect the family's wish for privacy, especially right now. I just hope there can be a real conversation about this some time in the future.

“We want to just talk about what’s rad about skating and not all that negative crap”
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Joclo on June 13, 2018, 04:02:28 PM
I was think about Anthony Bourdain who had to struggle day-in and day-out getting paid a lot of money to travel around the world and eat.  It’s kind of a miracle he held out for as long as he did.

It’s the kind of struggle you really can’t appreciate until you’ve lived through it, I’m told.

This is true. Its a sad, scary lonely place. Looking back on my drug use its a fucking miracle I'm still alive. I was at my breaking point and wanted nothing more than to get off opiates. I finally reached out for help and was able to kick the habit. It's been about two years now, but I still get the urge to get fucking laced.

For me, it was all about escaping the pain. It was good for about a month and then I was waking up dope sick every morning and it turned into a constant quest to feel normal/get my drugs. Drug use will fuck someone up, but the roller coaster of trying to get well all the time is what destroyed a large part of my life.  It turned me into the person I never wanted to be. The guilt I was carrying around was overwhelming.

Seriously, don't play around in that paint for long. Look around you right now and imagine all that shit being gone, because it will be. It's fucked up and sad and the government idiots dont have a clue about addiction. The people making the rules don'r even know how to crush up a fucking oxy. It's an individual journey that an addict must be willing to take if they want to survive.

Not trying to stir any shit up -- just my point of view.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Jim and Dan on June 13, 2018, 04:05:32 PM
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I know of at least 2 board members that used to shoot up together but have since put the needle down for good...

P.S. I'm one of them...
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Wait, you did drugs? I didn't know that since you never mention it, ever...

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S07E24/h_BuvkZki5dZdmpm4DHYRB7wF0Y=.gif)

Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: carbonite on June 13, 2018, 04:11:19 PM
if you live in this country and you haven't been affected by opiates in some way (either yourself or via someone close to you) you're very very fortunate
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: darkslideoftheforce on June 13, 2018, 04:36:23 PM
Also anyone who seriously uses the term SJW is a giant man-baby
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: VHS ERA on June 13, 2018, 05:22:55 PM
“SJWs” want criminal justice reform and treatment for addiction not prison, since you had to make this political
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: pinkbananastatus on June 13, 2018, 06:06:11 PM
If we're having this conversation, we can't forget about the industry brushing the cause of Van Wastell's suicide under the rug, claiming he was blackout drunk when he really fiending for his heroin stash his teammates took from him in an effort to force him to go cold turkey. The whole "only talking about whats rad about skateboarding" instead of addressing issues that need to be dealt with only feeds into the circlejerk of the skateboarding culture and makes us all look like fucking jocks. Skateboarding is the sickest when you can actually help your friends who do it instead of avoiding an "awkward conversation."
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Not Local on June 13, 2018, 06:09:51 PM
narcan reverses overdoses, not an epipen. that's for anaphalatic shock.

friend of mine had narcan in the car but the cops wouldn't let him save his girl, just had to watch her die waiting for 'professionals' to give her narcan.

*in a pinch, uppers can reverse an OD, i usedta tell my friends 'put some crakc in my arm if i go out, i don't wanna go ER'
** do as i say not as i did

That's insane. What state was that? A lot of cops carry Narcon/ Naloxone. Its super easy to administer, especially the nasal spray and you really can't do anyone harm by giving it to them.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: jakeumms on June 13, 2018, 06:14:47 PM
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narcan reverses overdoses, not an epipen. that's for anaphalatic shock.

friend of mine had narcan in the car but the cops wouldn't let him save his girl, just had to watch her die waiting for 'professionals' to give her narcan.

*in a pinch, uppers can reverse an OD, i usedta tell my friends 'put some crakc in my arm if i go out, i don't wanna go ER'
** do as i say not as i did
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That's insane. What state was that? A lot of cops carry Narcon/ Naloxone. Its super easy to administer, especially the nasal spray and you really can't do anyone harm by giving it to them.

This is probably before heroin was being cut with fentanyl which is what is causing all of these immediate overdoses. That shit has reframed the conversation everywhere. Fentanyl is literally measured in granules and it is absolutely not what you want in anyone's junk.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: shark tits on June 13, 2018, 06:27:28 PM
it was in south carolina and fentanyl is old news. prolly started hearing about fentanyl dope batches in mid 2000s in nj or philly then it'd pop up somewhere else.
i od'd on fentanyl dope w/ rusty in 2013, maybe 2014.
homegirl prolly died in late 2014 or early 2015.
just cause where you live is a certain way, it's a big country and other areas are ahead/behind/separate but equal.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on June 13, 2018, 06:32:08 PM
I don’t think it’s necessarily as much of a thing about skateboarders as I do think it’s about societal stigmas. There’s a stigma against drugs, but there’s also a stigma to reaching out for help. Those of us who don’t understand the mind of an addict are lucky. It’s by no means a black and white issue.

Be kind. If you know somebody struggling, support them in taking positive steps for themselves. Express concern, not shame.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: bawtawdinfinity on June 13, 2018, 06:48:37 PM
I mean just look at the addicts on slap, you wanna be like us? Dear god I hope not.

Heres a deeper look into the wonderful world of fentanyl. Almost every toxicity report from a o.d. has some obscure analogs the person never knew they were taking.

https://old.reddit.com/r/fentanyl/
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: figureitout on June 13, 2018, 11:05:26 PM
I was a painkiller addict for about 5 years strong, thankfully with help i'm on the other side. An opiate addict needs love, understanding, and bottom lines from loved ones. Much love and hope for all the pals struggling with the beast that is pharmaceuticals/street drugs. It's never too late to ask for help, reach out to the ones that mean the most.

Reading this thread has me crying due to my situation and having lost loved ones to opiates.

Take care of each other, choose love over fear.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: DCLOVE on June 13, 2018, 11:40:55 PM
If we're having this conversation, we can't forget about the industry brushing the cause of Van Wastell's suicide under the rug, claiming he was blackout drunk when he really fiending for his heroin stash his teammates took from him in an effort to force him to go cold turkey. The whole "only talking about whats rad about skateboarding" instead of addressing issues that need to be dealt with only feeds into the circlejerk of the skateboarding culture and makes us all look like fucking jocks. Skateboarding is the sickest when you can actually help your friends who do it instead of avoiding an "awkward conversation."

I just recently learned this and it blows my mind still especially him being on a dlx brand which hops any on basically and cause if they know someone going through it seems odd they didn’t tell the truth on that one . Probably could’ve saved a few lives but no we got he was drunk and fell out a hotel window. Which btw sounds incredibly hard to do even drunk idk about Euro hotels but having a parent in the hotel industry and spending mad time in hotels across the us , those things take effort to get out of. Not just something you’d “fall” out of .
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Alan on June 14, 2018, 05:10:40 AM
If it's an older building it probably has windows on hinges that open all the way, so it wouldn't be that hard to fall out of one...
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: el chino on June 14, 2018, 12:26:19 PM
Throwaway account via VPN.  Because the SJW fuckers will not like this.

Heroin.

We recently lost a brother this week. He had a wife and family. So fucked up. We had no fucking idea he was shooting up.  Some of us did, and they didn't address the fact.

Listen, it's been a long ride.  When you rule at everything and your body hurts from skateboarding, dont fuck it up inside.  Hard drugs and the needle is a joke.  Dont ever for a minute let anyone ... ANYONE  tell you it's cool.  You are looking for the next rush and this rush is a dead end.

Stop it.  Talk about it.  The skateboard community turns a blind eye to this and it needs to stop.
sjw's?    This aint the place fuckhead.

Even if your "friend" is real  i still dont give a fuck just by the firts fucking sentence.
Please go act stupid somewhere else
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on June 14, 2018, 01:12:06 PM
The irony of the whole “sjw” thing is that his post was an sjw post. “Lets try to solve this uncomfortable social problem nobody wants to address” is pretty much the definition of the types of issues people who are identified as SJW’s care about. Whatever though, lots of dumbasses are brainwashed these days
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: schralp pal on June 14, 2018, 01:26:37 PM
I hold pharmaceuticals for my friend and when he wants to come get a few more I always ask him how he’s doing with withdrawal symptoms/tapering, addiction issues in general... am I enabling?

I don’t think its my job to tell him to stop, he knows opiates are a slippery slope, hell we've had two friends die. I guess what i’m Getting at is sometimes it hard to know when to intervene
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: jakeumms on June 14, 2018, 02:21:59 PM
I hold pharmaceuticals for my friend and when he wants to come get a few more I always ask him how he’s doing with withdrawal symptoms/tapering, addiction issues in general... am I enabling?

I don’t think its my job to tell him to stop, he knows opiates are a slippery slope, hell we've had two friends die. I guess what i’m Getting at is sometimes it hard to know when to intervene

I guess the question is how often is he coming by? Tapering works to some degree and can get a person ready but at some point, wd's are a fact of life. I tapered for about 4 months but wound up going cold turkey after that. It was a rough 7 days and days 2, 3 and 4 were the gnarliest. If they have resources, they may want to go to actual rehab, even if it's just out-patient. The hard part will probably be dealing with the post acute withdrawal symptoms. Long term crappy sleep, fatigue and mud butt basically. Professional help may make that easier to deal with. At least that's my story.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: straight fucking edge on June 14, 2018, 02:22:31 PM
I was think about Anthony Bourdain who had to struggle day-in and day-out getting paid a lot of money to travel around the world and eat.  It’s kind of a miracle he held out for as long as he did.

It’s the kind of struggle you really can’t appreciate until you’ve lived through it, I’m told.

there is no black and white answer unfortunately and at the end of the day it comes down to the person-- they have to want to stop or else they aren't going to.  its painful for everybody
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Skate_lurker_Rob on July 24, 2018, 05:49:38 PM
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How can I actually help someone close to me who is struggling with opiates? Rehab, giving them money, a place to stay, a job has failed and/or all backfired.

I'm sure there's tons of info on the web, but I'm interested in SLAP's thoughts and experiences.
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There is no one long term solution, they need to hit rock bottom and want it for themselves.  But, in the short term have him/her carry around an EpiPen or two and make sure when using his friends also know how to use it.

A friend of mine overdosed and was kicked out of the apartment by his "friends" to lay there to die in the stairwell instead of calling for help or being able/willing to help.

Check the laws in your state as many have laws where you will not get into trouble if you are trying to help in the case of an overdose most people freak out and do nothing.

If they can afford inpatient care/rehab and they consent then that is probably the best bet and first step to recovery.

Ultimately, they need to deal with the source of the underlying pain they are trying to numb.
I have been resuscitated twice in a vain and cowardly attempt at a drug assisted suicide, I've failed both times as I was awoken by Narcan in Denver and in NYC both places I fucked up and it's been my main objective to be an opinionated life couch and inspiration for getting well and sober. Because if there was a drug that I could try I tried it except Krokodil and bath salts both of which are dumb as shit in the first place.

I also back this dudes advice check local laws as you could be charged if you are a suspect in or involved yourself in a overdose, first things first when someone is turning bluish grey, prop them up do CPR if that doesn't work roll to the side and fill rig with Narcan and jam it in the muscle in their thigh or butt yeah it'll put them in being instant dopesickness but it's better to be alive. Clean up any paraphernalia and anything that is incriminating as they will search the room if foul play or they think there's more.   

I had an exgf whom I hadn't seen in sometime in the bay area, we were at a show in the mission 16th record shop anyways I said hey let's get down later met up fooled around and I passed out. Next morning I put my hand on her neck to play like oh it's nice ya stuck around instead of bailing. As I put my hand on her it was freezing cold I jumped up in a panic like oh shit! looked over on her side dope cooker and half a rig still full instantly super bummed but cleaned up area and called coroners people I stuck around as I had to carry her out lets just say rigor-mortise is a bitch to carry a heavier woman out of.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: beazlocal on July 24, 2018, 05:55:28 PM
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How can I actually help someone close to me who is struggling with opiates? Rehab, giving them money, a place to stay, a job has failed and/or all backfired.

I'm sure there's tons of info on the web, but I'm interested in SLAP's thoughts and experiences.
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There is no one long term solution, they need to hit rock bottom and want it for themselves.  But, in the short term have him/her carry around an EpiPen or two and make sure when using his friends also know how to use it.

A friend of mine overdosed and was kicked out of the apartment by his "friends" to lay there to die in the stairwell instead of calling for help or being able/willing to help.

Check the laws in your state as many have laws where you will not get into trouble if you are trying to help in the case of an overdose most people freak out and do nothing.

If they can afford inpatient care/rehab and they consent then that is probably the best bet and first step to recovery.

Ultimately, they need to deal with the source of the underlying pain they are trying to numb.
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I have been resuscitated twice in a vain and cowardly attempt at a drug assisted suicide, I've failed both times as I was awoken by Narcan in Denver and in NYC both places I fucked up and it's been my main objective to be an opinionated life couch and inspiration for getting well and sober. Because if there was a drug that I could try I tried it except Krokodil and bath salts both of which are dumb as shit in the first place.

I also back this dudes advice check local laws as you could be charged if you are a suspect in or involved yourself in a overdose, first things first when someone is turning bluish grey, prop them up do CPR if that doesn't work roll to the side and fill rig with Narcan and jam it in the muscle in their thigh or butt yeah it'll put them in being instant dopesickness but it's better to be alive. Clean up any paraphernalia and anything that is incriminating as they will search the room if foul play or they think there's more.   

I had an exgf whom I hadn't seen in sometime in the bay area, we were at a show in the mission 16th record shop anyways I said hey let's get down later met up fooled around and I passed out. Next morning I put my hand on her neck to play like oh it's nice ya stuck around instead of bailing. As I put my hand on her it was freezing cold I jumped up in a panic like oh shit! looked over on her side dope cooker and half a rig still full instantly super bummed but cleaned up area and called coroners people I stuck around as I had to carry her out lets just say rigor-mortise is a bitch to carry a heavier woman out of.

Drugs sound so cool man
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: poorlatino on July 24, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
Some gay pop culture shit but Demi Lovato just overdosed off heroin.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: kentrock on July 24, 2018, 06:16:17 PM
Some gay pop culture shit but Demi Lovato just overdosed off heroin.

Coke and alcohol were her go to.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: ChiefSQueff on July 24, 2018, 06:39:05 PM
I love herion and pain pills. Theyre fun
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Wizard Fight on July 24, 2018, 11:03:59 PM
I didn't read a lot of this thread because I typically don't like how drug threads go on here, but as to the point about getting addicted so you can "bravely kick" - I really doubt that's a popular line of thinking. I think it's probably that so many people (including myself) think "well it's not going to happen to me" and then it does.

As for defending heroin, or drugs in general, I just wanna say that they prevented me from killing myself for a number of years. It was a tool for me to numb my mind and quiet my painful feelings. After a while, they didn't help anymore. The drugs work until they don't.

And I'm a little hippie woo woo, but I don't think heroin or alcohol on their own have an evil to it, an intention, a vibe, or whatever to them.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: capnmcdoogle on August 06, 2020, 03:01:36 PM
There's some lady that calls herself "LaHarra Fortune" showing up to the skate park in my hometown and accusing the locals of murdering Mark Hubbard. She's been harassing people in person and via multiple fake social media accounts. Do any of you know anything about this?

Here's a link to a video she posted on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCzzdsYFtjI/?igshid=erg9e46ar45
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: ziggy on August 06, 2020, 03:26:48 PM
Slap has a way more permissive attitude about drug use than it does other illegal acts

Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Colin Robinson on August 06, 2020, 03:47:34 PM
There's some lady that calls herself "LaHarra Fortune" showing up to the skate park in my hometown and accusing the locals of murdering Mark Hubbard. She's been harassing people in person and via multiple fake social media accounts. Do any of you know anything about this?

Here's a link to a video she posted on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCzzdsYFtjI/?igshid=erg9e46ar45

I’m not going to make fun of someone who is obviously mentally ill like that lady, but if anything the skaters at that park showed incredible restraint letting her holler nonsense for that long before kicking her ass out of there.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on August 06, 2020, 03:58:37 PM
There's some lady that calls herself "LaHarra Fortune" showing up to the skate park in my hometown and accusing the locals of murdering Mark Hubbard. She's been harassing people in person and via multiple fake social media accounts. Do any of you know anything about this?

Here's a link to a video she posted on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCzzdsYFtjI/?igshid=erg9e46ar45


Lol damn that bitch is out there
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 06, 2020, 04:22:07 PM
There's some lady that calls herself "LaHarra Fortune" showing up to the skate park in my hometown and accusing the locals of murdering Mark Hubbard. She's been harassing people in person and via multiple fake social media accounts. Do any of you know anything about this?

Here's a link to a video she posted on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCzzdsYFtjI/?igshid=erg9e46ar45

What the fuck is wrong with your local.

Throwing rocks and hitting the disturbed is NEVER the answer.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: hateboard on August 06, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
There's some lady that calls herself "LaHarra Fortune" showing up to the skate park in my hometown and accusing the locals of murdering Mark Hubbard. She's been harassing people in person and via multiple fake social media accounts. Do any of you know anything about this?

Here's a link to a video she posted on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCzzdsYFtjI/?igshid=erg9e46ar45

Whats the back story here? The local lads lord over that shitty skate park and she thinks they conspired to kill Jake Phelps and Hubbard? Crazy bitch deserved something, maybe not being clubbed to death with a baseball bat but if you walked into the wrong part of town and started calling everyone dick sucking murdering cunts, you would be lucky to walk away at all. She got off lightly if you ask me.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Szechuan on August 06, 2020, 04:45:11 PM
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There's some lady that calls herself "LaHarra Fortune" showing up to the skate park in my hometown and accusing the locals of murdering Mark Hubbard. She's been harassing people in person and via multiple fake social media accounts. Do any of you know anything about this?

Here's a link to a video she posted on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCzzdsYFtjI/?igshid=erg9e46ar45
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What the fuck is wrong with your local.

Throwing rocks and hitting the disturbed is NEVER the answer.
She's been on this shit since he died. We had a thread on it a awhile ago, shit probably gets old.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: ihatejulio on August 06, 2020, 05:02:24 PM
Pretty confused as to why this two year old topic was bumped with this completely unrelated subject. 
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on August 06, 2020, 06:43:52 PM
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Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on August 06, 2020, 07:15:06 PM
But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Ziad on August 06, 2020, 11:25:58 PM
Is elephant skateboards still running?
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: DA BIG BODY BENZ on August 06, 2020, 11:52:08 PM
But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.



Word, imo alcohol is worse than heroin in every way imaginable
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: headtowall on August 07, 2020, 05:00:01 AM
also don't know one addict who was like "YEA MAN, STARTED SHOOTING DOPE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS FUCKING COOL"
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 07, 2020, 05:05:34 AM
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But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.
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Word, imo alcohol is worse than heroin in every way imaginable

If it's really clean dope but that's gone to my knowledge.

Same with blow.

I was offered (yayo) the other day I said I'm going to add water to offered line to provide proof that you got fake shit.

Your not wasting it maaaaaaan. I'm like that's right
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: straight fucking edge on August 07, 2020, 05:29:20 AM
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But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.
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Word, imo alcohol is worse than heroin in every way imaginable

really? you know people who can casually do heroin?
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: cricketclub on August 07, 2020, 05:53:46 AM
I’m really sorry for your loss and I’m also sorry for whatever lead you to believe social justice warriors would not want you to talk about heroin addiction. I can assure you those fighting for social justice want it to be talked about and for those suffering to get treatment, not incarceration. SJW is clearly an insult, but whatever. That always seemed strange to me. As annoying as virtue signaling may be, signaling a lack of virtue is more annoying. But again, I don’t want to dwell on that aspect of the post, I just found it strange you brought it up in the topic. I hope you can get some therapy to deal with this loss, and hopefully spread awareness to others about the dangers of heroin, fentanyl, OxyContin, and other opiates.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 07, 2020, 06:24:34 AM
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But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.
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Word, imo alcohol is worse than heroin in every way imaginable
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really? you know people who can casually do heroin?

I have and could today if I was in cartel country with tar and not in the USA  controled states where gunpowder or pee dope with fentanyl rule supremme
And I wanted to be going backwards in life. I'm going fuckin forward.

But

It takes about 6months of daily use to get locked in and to really have the sickness for me.

In the beginning I could kick one year - eighteen month long runs in a few days without missing work.

Every time you catch a habit and kick it gets worse. I believe it's not the time you're on the drug but the amount of times you're dependent.

When shit kinda changed for me was when OC 80s hit.
I dated a girl whose mom got 300 of them a month for TMJ.
 
I think she probably got the TMJ from blowing the doctor lol.


anyways every month she would give over half of them to her daughter and me. No idea of the street value. I think we was paying $15 each.

We would sell them in packs to a bar in Peabody on karaoke night keep like half and pay the mom.

Great working class family of contractors from nahant.

So I was eating 160mg OC one with coating one without for immediate effect.
Take the train down to Beverly or Lynn and sell a few to get a bundle or two.
Eventually it was grams.

At my peak I was eating like 4 80s and doing we was shooting quarter gram shots in the day.
This went in for about 3 years.

 I went to jail again and kicked wicked frickin hard. I was up for 43 days more or less.
I would pass out like every other day just in random places in the Yale.

In the day room in front of the TV in the courtyard outside. I was in trouble for that. Woke up with half a sunburn and a dog in my face.

They bashed the shit out of me I was like plz kill me. That got me in the bubble.

Paper Johnny glass door fucking light on you 24/7. Got moved down to room 5 with the other kickers. Now that I was a nightmare. The TV was gone at that point.

Just a symphony of puking and crying to listen to and the smell of shat in jumpers.

Then half of us got taken to 120b for nothing. So now I get to shower in chains.

Super fuck trip way better than going for it in skating.

I tell you about alcohol but I don't really remember much from my long drink era.

I was pretty much over alcohol by the time I became of age anyway

I lost interest in this post I'm sorry if it's a mess.

Hard drugs and alcohol are pretty stupid and I just want people to know I fucking blew it because of these things before people knew I prefer Twinks over Dope Dealing Daughters.

I wish you NAZIS would stop calling me an SWJ. It's pretty fucking lame to blanky term people right there you little Hitlers?
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: CHONGO on August 07, 2020, 06:35:44 AM
There's some lady that calls herself "LaHarra Fortune" showing up to the skate park in my hometown and accusing the locals of murdering Mark Hubbard. She's been harassing people in person and via multiple fake social media accounts. Do any of you know anything about this?

Here's a link to a video she posted on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCzzdsYFtjI/?igshid=erg9e46ar45

damn i thought this was shrellin for a second from bellingham
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: doctorkickflip on August 07, 2020, 07:15:15 AM
no one here will ever defend the use of heroin. It just seems in bad taste to blame the user after he overdoses. The death itself speaks volume and those who do not hear the message need support and understanding and not hate
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Hombreezy on August 07, 2020, 08:03:57 AM
I thought the elephant in the room was t funk skated el toro
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: GAY on August 07, 2020, 08:13:04 AM
Thank goodness this elephant in the room is finally being addressed.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: radcunt on August 07, 2020, 08:17:56 AM
Wow OP is a brave bad boy who says what no one here is politically bold enough to confront.  I’m personally offended but also quietly impressed and definitely horny at this vulgar display of power
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Jerrys Kid on August 07, 2020, 08:25:34 AM
As a SJW, I am upset that you came on here to besmirch the good name of heroin. Keep your head on a swivel.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: os89 on August 07, 2020, 08:29:10 AM
What about all these pink elephants I’m seeing in my room?
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: LordManHammer on August 07, 2020, 04:21:08 PM
When loneliness as adulthood starts to loom over some of us.(learning basic time management and certain priorities)
Holding on to a job etc.....

 It really drives the negatives a long with hopelessness when trying to reach the top when either you have no mentors and or support system, tears at one's self worth so they try to remember the good times when we were young. It usually ends with sadness

I've had myself in the throngs of addiction and I'm no saint or that decent of a person and take many faults with being a shit head. 

It can be beat just find that passion and a must is a support system so you can have someone stroke your fragile ego, I joke about this as it's quite true......

 I am thankful for those that have gave a shit whenever I needed it, there's a few. 
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: shitsandwich on August 07, 2020, 04:38:48 PM
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But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.
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Word, imo alcohol is worse than heroin in every way imaginable
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If it's really clean dope but that's gone to my knowledge.

Same with blow.

I was offered (yayo) the other day I said I'm going to add water to offered line to provide proof that you got fake shit.

Your not wasting it maaaaaaan. I'm like that's right

What's the deal with this? i've never heard of it before
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: fuhkin_powahfood_kid on August 07, 2020, 10:31:41 PM
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But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.
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Word, imo alcohol is worse than heroin in every way imaginable
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really? you know people who can casually do heroin?
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I have and could today if I was in cartel country with tar and not in the USA  controled states where gunpowder or pee dope with fentanyl rule supremme
And I wanted to be going backwards in life. I'm going fuckin forward.

But

It takes about 6months of daily use to get locked in and to really have the sickness for me.

In the beginning I could kick one year - eighteen month long runs in a few days without missing work.

Every time you catch a habit and kick it gets worse. I believe it's not the time you're on the drug but the amount of times you're dependent.

When shit kinda changed for me was when OC 80s hit.
I dated a girl whose mom got 300 of them a month for TMJ.
 
I think she probably got the TMJ from blowing the doctor lol.


anyways every month she would give over half of them to her daughter and me. No idea of the street value. I think we was paying $15 each.

We would sell them in packs to a bar in Peabody on karaoke night keep like half and pay the mom.

Great working class family of contractors from nahant.

So I was eating 160mg OC one with coating one without for immediate effect.
Take the train down to Beverly or Lynn and sell a few to get a bundle or two.
Eventually it was grams.

At my peak I was eating like 4 80s and doing we was shooting quarter gram shots in the day.
This went in for about 3 years.

 I went to jail again and kicked wicked frickin hard. I was up for 43 days more or less.
I would pass out like every other day just in random places in the Yale.

In the day room in front of the TV in the courtyard outside. I was in trouble for that. Woke up with half a sunburn and a dog in my face.

They bashed the shit out of me I was like plz kill me. That got me in the bubble.

Paper Johnny glass door fucking light on you 24/7. Got moved down to room 5 with the other kickers. Now that I was a nightmare. The TV was gone at that point.

Just a symphony of puking and crying to listen to and the smell of shat in jumpers.

Then half of us got taken to 120b for nothing. So now I get to shower in chains.

Super fuck trip way better than going for it in skating.

I tell you about alcohol but I don't really remember much from my long drink era.

I was pretty much over alcohol by the time I became of age anyway

I lost interest in this post I'm sorry if it's a mess.

Hard drugs and alcohol are pretty stupid and I just want people to know I fucking blew it because of these things before people knew I prefer Twinks over Dope Dealing Daughters.

I wish you NAZIS would stop calling me an SWJ. It's pretty fucking lame to blanky term people right there you little Hitlers?

true story on those 80s. Mass was rough. I was on south coast. All my buddies were fisherman and tattooists, shit just got out of hand with all the money they were making and dudes trading 80s for tattoo work. Didn't seem like it at the time, but I'm lucky I get sea sick and can't draw for shit. I just wasn't around those dudes as much because i had to work other jobs, so I couldn't sit at the shop and crush beans all day. I'd be gone like them had it been the case because for a long time it seemed like it was just percs and OCs, no dope, so it didn't seem like such a big deal. Fucking hell.

glad you're alive and shit, dude.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Dr.Fauci on August 08, 2020, 12:56:12 AM
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But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.
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Word, imo alcohol is worse than heroin in every way imaginable
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really? you know people who can casually do heroin?
[close]

I have and could today if I was in cartel country with tar and not in the USA  controled states where gunpowder or pee dope with fentanyl rule supremme
And I wanted to be going backwards in life. I'm going fuckin forward.

But

It takes about 6months of daily use to get locked in and to really have the sickness for me.

In the beginning I could kick one year - eighteen month long runs in a few days without missing work.

Every time you catch a habit and kick it gets worse. I believe it's not the time you're on the drug but the amount of times you're dependent.

When shit kinda changed for me was when OC 80s hit.
I dated a girl whose mom got 300 of them a month for TMJ.
 
I think she probably got the TMJ from blowing the doctor lol.


anyways every month she would give over half of them to her daughter and me. No idea of the street value. I think we was paying $15 each.

We would sell them in packs to a bar in Peabody on karaoke night keep like half and pay the mom.

Great working class family of contractors from nahant.

So I was eating 160mg OC one with coating one without for immediate effect.
Take the train down to Beverly or Lynn and sell a few to get a bundle or two.
Eventually it was grams.

At my peak I was eating like 4 80s and doing we was shooting quarter gram shots in the day.
This went in for about 3 years.

 I went to jail again and kicked wicked frickin hard. I was up for 43 days more or less.
I would pass out like every other day just in random places in the Yale.

In the day room in front of the TV in the courtyard outside. I was in trouble for that. Woke up with half a sunburn and a dog in my face.

They bashed the shit out of me I was like plz kill me. That got me in the bubble.

Paper Johnny glass door fucking light on you 24/7. Got moved down to room 5 with the other kickers. Now that I was a nightmare. The TV was gone at that point.

Just a symphony of puking and crying to listen to and the smell of shat in jumpers.

Then half of us got taken to 120b for nothing. So now I get to shower in chains.

Super fuck trip way better than going for it in skating.

I tell you about alcohol but I don't really remember much from my long drink era.

I was pretty much over alcohol by the time I became of age anyway

I lost interest in this post I'm sorry if it's a mess.

Hard drugs and alcohol are pretty stupid and I just want people to know I fucking blew it because of these things before people knew I prefer Twinks over Dope Dealing Daughters.

I wish you NAZIS would stop calling me an SWJ. It's pretty fucking lame to blanky term people right there you little Hitlers?

Trainspotting was better.
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: Dr.Fauci on August 08, 2020, 09:18:38 AM
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But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.
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Word, imo alcohol is worse than heroin in every way imaginable
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If it's really clean dope but that's gone to my knowledge.

Same with blow.

I was offered (yayo) the other day I said I'm going to add water to offered line to provide proof that you got fake shit.

Your not wasting it maaaaaaan. I'm like that's right
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What's the deal with this? i've never heard of it before
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Coke turns into a shootable liquid. NOT coke sinks to the bottom. The spoon will look like the Caribbean ocean.

When cocaine is in the spoon you don't heat it. If you do heat it it'll try to turn into a base and without using baking soda to eat up the cut You won't be able to shoot it. If you do get some into your syringe it'll clog 99% of the time.

Every time someone's offered me blow in the past let's say probably like 8 years it's failed all tests.

 I've found base a few times. Banged that shit skate around for a few hrs take some Xanax go to bed.

It's not really great for doing tricks. Start questioning your foot positions and never pop your tail. It's definitely good for going out though.

Smoking base sucks. That shit's over way too fast. Then you're chasing ringers

If someones feeling bold next time you got blow Cook that shit up with baking soda in a cigar tube. I'm going to bet it gets eaten up and nothing will come back. I'm cooking rock is all about sound. You wanted to bubble Then you set it on a sponge and let it eat up the cut. You want to see that slick oils start to separate.
Then you shock it and rattle it around till you hear the rock jingling around in the tube. Then look for flakes before pitching the water.
Boom perfectly formed rock no flakes first T. You was Born to rock it.

There's a tutorial on YouTube by now I bet if you don't understand.

I'm so fucking lame. If this shit bothers anyone who's struggling lmk I'll take it down.

Plz don't snake base. I give a shit

It bothers me
Title: Re: Lets finally address the elephant in the room
Post by: jakeumms on August 08, 2020, 01:28:05 PM
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But is heroin really the elephant in the room?

Judging from the Figgy thread, the pros who abruptly become irrelevant, even the losers I know in real life that had potential...it seems like the real elephant in the room is the normalcy of alcohol abuse in our culture, but whatever.
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Word, imo alcohol is worse than heroin in every way imaginable
[close]

If it's really clean dope but that's gone to my knowledge.

Same with blow.

I was offered (yayo) the other day I said I'm going to add water to offered line to provide proof that you got fake shit.

Your not wasting it maaaaaaan. I'm like that's right
[close]

What's the deal with this? i've never heard of it before
[close]

Coke turns into a shootable liquid. NOT coke sinks to the bottom. The spoon will look like the Caribbean ocean.

When cocaine is in the spoon you don't heat it. If you do heat it it'll try to turn into a base and without using baking soda to eat up the cut You won't be able to shoot it. If you do get some into your syringe it'll clog 99% of the time.

Every time someone's offered me blow in the past let's say probably like 8 years it's failed all tests.

 I've found base a few times. Banged that shit skate around for a few hrs take some Xanax go to bed.

It's not really great for doing tricks. Start questioning your foot positions and never pop your tail. It's definitely good for going out though.

Smoking base sucks. That shit's over way too fast. Then you're chasing ringers

If someones feeling bold next time you got blow Cook that shit up with baking soda in a cigar tube. I'm going to bet it gets eaten up and nothing will come back. I'm cooking rock is all about sound. You wanted to bubble Then you set it on a sponge and let it eat up the cut. You want to see that slick oils start to separate.
Then you shock it and rattle it around till you hear the rock jingling around in the tube. Then look for flakes before pitching the water.
Boom perfectly formed rock no flakes first T. You was Born to rock it.

There's a tutorial on YouTube by now I bet if you don't understand.

I'm so fucking lame. If this shit bothers anyone who's struggling lmk I'll take it down.

Plz don't snake base. I give a shit
I legit thought as I was reading this that I would subscribe to this YouTube channel. I don't even use but I'm sorta  down to learn about esoteric prep methods the same way I'm down to watch a dude cut a shoe in half.