Sure Simon... Sure.
I made it too the part where you interveiwed Digital Panic ...
*vomits*
BTW, since we are chatting. How have you been these days? what's new?Evolution
EvolutionExpand QuoteBTW, since we are chatting. How have you been these days? what's new?[close]
BTW, since we are chatting. How have you been these days? what's new?Not much, went to Target today, they didn't have any carts and I had to get a ton of stuff. Wasn't happy. What's new with you? Still in SJ?
Not much, went to Target today, they didn't have any carts and I had to get a ton of stuff. Wasn't happy. What's new with you? Still in SJ?Expand QuoteBTW, since we are chatting. How have you been these days? what's new?[close]
you should skate again simon. get a guest board on enjoi or something.
Yea man, I actually have to go back to Target tomorrow and get all the stuff I couldn't because of the cart situation, so see what you can do. I can't be lugging a basket and a bunch of La Croix 8 packs around by hand you know?! Also, don't let me forget the sunscreen again, amen.Expand QuoteNot much, went to Target today, they didn't have any carts and I had to get a ton of stuff. Wasn't happy. What's new with you? Still in SJ?Expand QuoteBTW, since we are chatting. How have you been these days? what's new?[close][close]
Things are good. Been sober now 18 years. Health is pretty good. Staying out of trouble, etc. Has some stuff shown at the DIY thing at Subliminal Projects gallery. Pretty good time. Living near Temecula/Fallbrook, CA area these days.
Is there anything I can be praying about for you?
Yea man, I actually have to go back to Target tomorrow and get all the stuff I couldn't because of the cart situation, so see what you can do. I can't be lugging a basket and a bunch of La Croix 8 packs around by hand you know?! Also, don't let me forget the sunscreen again, amen.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot much, went to Target today, they didn't have any carts and I had to get a ton of stuff. Wasn't happy. What's new with you? Still in SJ?Expand QuoteBTW, since we are chatting. How have you been these days? what's new?[close][close]
Things are good. Been sober now 18 years. Health is pretty good. Staying out of trouble, etc. Has some stuff shown at the DIY thing at Subliminal Projects gallery. Pretty good time. Living near Temecula/Fallbrook, CA area these days.
Is there anything I can be praying about for you?[close]
Insofar as all life is changing, because evolution is scientific fact.
Absolute worst flavor.Expand QuoteYea man, I actually have to go back to Target tomorrow and get all the stuff I couldn't because of the cart situation, so see what you can do. I can't be lugging a basket and a bunch of La Croix 8 packs around by hand you know?! Also, don't let me forget the sunscreen again, amen.Expand QuoteExpand QuoteNot much, went to Target today, they didn't have any carts and I had to get a ton of stuff. Wasn't happy. What's new with you? Still in SJ?Expand QuoteBTW, since we are chatting. How have you been these days? what's new?[close][close]
Things are good. Been sober now 18 years. Health is pretty good. Staying out of trouble, etc. Has some stuff shown at the DIY thing at Subliminal Projects gallery. Pretty good time. Living near Temecula/Fallbrook, CA area these days.
Is there anything I can be praying about for you?[close][close]
Alright. Praying for you. I like that La Croix. I enjoy the coconut infused.
You can’t really go wrong with the citrus flavors. Lime, lemon, orange... the mixed flavor ones are also great, blackberry cucumber is a favorite in the house.
You still killing god's creations and eating their dead corpses mate?Expand QuoteI made it too the part where you interveiwed Digital Panic ...
*vomits*[close]
Thanks for tuning in. That Vomit situation sounds pretty dire. Please let me know if I can get you a mop or something to help out. Have a good weekend.
You still killing god's creations and eating their dead corpses mate?Expand QuoteExpand QuoteI made it too the part where you interveiwed Digital Panic ...
*vomits*[close]
Thanks for tuning in. That Vomit situation sounds pretty dire. Please let me know if I can get you a mop or something to help out. Have a good weekend.[close]
I tapped out? Didn't you focus brah?
But why would you personally go out of your way to harm one of god's creatures if you are such a religious man?
If you're a nihilist, then I get it but surely you don't subscribe to the whole "god put animals on this earth for us to eat" school of thought do you? Do you just skip the whole thou shall not kill thing too?
"That is, if you believe that is wrong for you, then that seems fair enough (good for you). But, why would that also be wrong for me or anyone else? To put it another way, what if my own personal truth is that it is fine to eat meat? Who, then, is anyone else to judge me for that? Aren't you pushing your morals on me? "
And that's why I think it's fine to eat other people (particularly Christians who only come on SLAP to push their religious agenda), if that's my personal truth then you shouldn't judge me for that brah ;)
Yes Simon, that's all well and good and obviously I don't condone cannibalism (though I'm willing to make exceptions :p)
but I want to know why you personally, as a man of Christ, choose to cause the pain, suffering and death of sentient beings (supposedly created by your lord no?) even though one your God's most famous commandments is "thou shalt not kill"? He didn't amend that clause did he? I'm pretty sure he didn't...
I don't want you to backtrack, philosophize or write paragraphs on the topic, I want your personal reasoning as to why you think it's okay to do so in 2018.
Usually when we subscribe to a theory/ way or life/ belief, we try (as much as possible) to be consistent with the teachings of said belief system no?
I just can't take religious people seriously when they conveniently ignore certain teachings and yet try and push their beliefs onto others. And let's be realistic here, you only come on SLAP to talk about Christianity so lets talk about your Christianity ...
No one ever wins when its a vegan vs christian arguing. No one. Ever.vegan christians do tho!
Deal or no deal?So you can't give me an honest answer unless I convert to Christianity? Couldn't you just give me some bullshit answer like, "I like the taste of it"/ "I'm scared of protein deficiency" et. al. or whatever and simply own up to your ideological/ ethical inconsistencies?
Expand QuoteDeal or no deal?[close]
Not to quote from the source or anything but...
“Then God said, ‘I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." Doesn't say anything about munching on dead corpses for food there mate.
and there are also 50 other quotes (please don't me make paste them all here) which negate all of that, but as you already know the bible is in itself a contradictory mess.
I don't give a shit about your god in all honesty, nor do I need his teachings to tell me what is right/ wrong. My question to you is (for the 50th time): why do you think it's okay to enslave, kill, torture and rape animals in 2018? Because Jesus said it was okay to do so some 2000 years ago? He also said women shouldn't speak in church but I'm guessing you still don't defend that one in 2018?
Couldn 't you personally, and as a man of god, just avoid all of that? As someone who wants to lead by example (and presumably make the world a better place?) couldn't you just like not kill shit? I mean you're not an eskimo that needs to hunt for his own survival, you have a plethora of cruelty-free options available to you, so what's your line of thinking in all this? "Well I could just like not kill shit that my supposed god created (and also gave the ability to feel pain) .... nah screw that fuck you cow!!!". That seems like needless suffering and contradictory to god's message no?
No one ever wins when its a vegan vs christian arguing. No one. Ever.
Basically, you just said: "There is a maybe/probably biblical argument against your case somewhere in the stratosphere, but I don't have a clue what that is, so I am not going to provide it""And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29-30
You're fucking Connie aren't you Simon?fuck I laughed hard at that one! have a gnar. If he was though that would indeed be an epic life hammer!
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." Genesis 1:29-30Expand QuoteBasically, you just said: "There is a maybe/probably biblical argument against your case somewhere in the stratosphere, but I don't have a clue what that is, so I am not going to provide it"[close]
“But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.” - Genesis 9:4
“A righteous man has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.” - Proverbs 12:10
“Woe to those who lie upon beds of ivory, and stretch themselves upon their couches, and eat lambs from the flock, and calves from the midst of the stall; who sing idle songs to the sound of the harp, and like David invent for themselves instruments of music; who drink wine in bowls, and anoint themselves with the finest oils, but are not grieved over the ruin of Joseph!” - Amos 6:4-6
"Do not be among winebibbers, or among gluttonous eaters of meat;" - Proverbs 23:20
"Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. it is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that makes your brother or sister stumble" Romans 14:21
but yes, you also have a slew of other passages that allow for mass animal sacrifices, basically allow you to eat anything you like, and enslave and treat animals like shit; as I already mentioned the bible itself is a mess of contradictions in regards to animal rights (and many other topics).
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To summarize my thoughts though (and yes, I too doubt this conversation is really going to go anywhere):
- Most sane people, regardless of whether they are religious or not, want to reduce the amount of suffering, violence and unnecessary killing in the world.
- Most sane people, regardless of whether they are religious or not, would agree that it is right to protect and stand up for those weaker than themselves.
- Most sane people, regardless of whether they are religious or not, would class themselves as animal lovers as opposed to animal haters.
- Most sane people, regardless of whether they are religious or not, enjoy the companionship and happiness that animals can bring into their lives
- Most sane people, regardless of whether they are religious or not, would NOT put up with cruelty towards animals if it was directed at their family pet.
- Most sane people, regardless of whether they are religious or not, probably wouldn't be able to slit an animal's throat without feeling any emotion while doing so.
- Most sane people, regardless of whether they are religious or not, would not support the animal agriculture industry if they knew what happened behind closed doors.
So I think that most sane people on this planet are actually for animal rights, no one is going to (sanely) argue for the side of animal cruelty; even those that do eat meat will say, "well I want it to be killed quickly and as *humanely* as possible". Hell, even hunters (waves at Geoff) will agree with this one.
So why then, if we have a plethora of other cruelty-free options available to us, do we continue to go against our beliefs/ gut feeling on this one?
I'm being coarsely judgmental toward meat-eaters? LOL I'm actually not, I'm being coarsely judgmental towards people that preach love, forgiveness and compassion while contributing and supporting an industry that is the direct opposite of those virtues (i.e you!) even though they don't have to.
If you were a regular slap poster that just said I'm lazy/ I like the taste of mai meat/ vegainz lack proteinz/ or any other too-hard-to-be-vegan-excuse then our conversation would be over. I just find it absolutely ridiculous that you can't give a straight answer for your choice to support this cruelty without going all philosophy 101 on my arse.
Sure, as a human being and as a man of god you have freedom of choice, why choose the violent/ destructive/ cruel option though?
Anyway mate, you do you I guess? Personally I think most of us would appreciate it if you actually talked about skating/ stories from the past instead of just logging on when you feel like pushing your religious agenda on us but it looks like that is the path you have chosen (pun intended).