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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: SkateParkDesigner on June 30, 2018, 12:55:36 PM
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Hi! This is my first post. You can call me SkateParkDesigner. I’m trying to design a skate park (for fun). I’m trying to make something that I can feel proud of, so my ideas are coming kinda slow and I’d really appreciate some constructive criticism. What do you like/dislike about the design so far? What would you add/remove? How can I improve the style of the park? How would you change it?
Pics:
(https://preview.ibb.co/gOFYzy/Skate_Park_Project.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cdmvCJ)
I want to make a ramp over these chains, but don’t know how to make it look cool or where to put it. Also, I want one of the poles to be a pole jam. And I want it to look like a natural street spot.
(https://preview.ibb.co/iZfcRd/Skate_Park_Project3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iAWj6d)
(https://preview.ibb.co/dBCP6d/Skate_Park_Project4.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mAb6Ky)
(https://preview.ibb.co/n4O8XJ/Skate_Park_Project5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hSbTXJ)
I’m kinda going for a natural vibe with lots of vegetation and shade. Sorry about the clutter in the background and stuff… It’s still a work in progress.
(https://preview.ibb.co/f29tzy/Skate_Park_Project2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fnixRd)
Here’s an update after editing it a little bit.
(https://preview.ibb.co/jG0NsJ/Skate_Park_Project_6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bQLcRd)
(https://preview.ibb.co/emkYzy/Skate_Park_Project7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fvCDzy)
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have you think about transition? it look like city park, look like nice place to eat lunch. it not smooth lines from one obstacle to another.
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You're right, the park definitely needs better flow with smooth lines from one obstacle to another. I also want to divide the park into sections somehow, so the park doesn't turn into a crash derby. I'm considering putting transition into the skate park, but I'd want it to look like a natural skate spot. Feel free to post pics of a skate spot with transition that you'd like to skate.
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"no scooters a loud" sign and maybe some fetish restraints
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A "No Scooters" sign would help keep the ledges from chipping, so that'd be reasonable. I don't want to use coping on the ledges because metal rusts and I'd rather grind concrete. Metal is very expensive, so eliminating coping would reduce costs too. Lol... I think the city wouldn't allow fetish restraints unless it was a private facility.
Here's a chain gap. I'm still not satisfied with it though... The unused part of the bank looks kinda boring. I think it'd be fun to hit a ramp over some chains though.
(https://preview.ibb.co/mGjJGd/Skate_Park_Project7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/cW3pNJ)
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how about more banks styled like ones from famous spots instead of your typical qp or bowl type transition? that would probably fit in best with the “natural” spot approach you have going.
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"no scooters allowed" sign and maybe some fetish restraints
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fetish restaurants
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A restaurant at the skate park would be a great idea, but I think it'll need a more family friendly theme. Also, grindable banks would be fun. They're one of my favorite obstacles actually.
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You could use some planters that have transition in them and have vegetation on top of it to have more natural parkish theme going on as an easy fix. One could even have water there or maybe a little fountain which could emptied if necessary..
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A restaurant at the skate park would be a great idea, but I think it'll need a more family friendly theme.
Wack Arnold’s
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You could use some planters that have transition in them and have vegetation on top of it to have more natural parkish theme going on as an easy fix. One could even have water there or maybe a little fountain which could emptied if necessary..
best spot
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how about more banks styled like ones from famous spots instead of your typical qp or bowl type transition? that would probably fit in best with the “natural” spot approach you have going.
Look up Brotherhood Plaza Stockholm. This place kills it with the "natural" look.
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All skateparks should have a flat bar, a foot to foot and a half tall regular ass ledge, a foot tall regular ass Manny pad, and at least a four foot tall mini. A six foot quarter with pool coping is icing on the cake.a big steep bank too.
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Brotherhood Plaza Stockholm is cool and I love the brick quarter pipe. I'm definitely planning on adding a flat rail. I kinda want it to look like a barcelona round rail.
(https://image.ibb.co/cy4U7J/Screen_Shot_2018_07_01_at_11_14_31_AM.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
It's interesting to read about what you all want in skate parks. Personally, I'd prefer the skate park to be all street spots, but a lot of you think it needs transition. Most people are street skaters, so I wasn't expecting people to want mini pipes and stuff... Chances are you already have transition at your local skatepark, but there isn't a street park in the area. Adding a street park would diversify the terrain of parks. It'd be a legal skate spot. If you went to a street park, would you get bored if there wasn't transition?
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If you want to skate street spot go skate the fucking street. Kids are so lazy and sheltered they disgust me.
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how about more banks styled like ones from famous spots instead of your typical qp or bowl type transition? that would probably fit in best with the “natural” spot approach you have going.
that’s a fun-looking park. but like you said actual street spots are better.
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dont put trees in a fucking skatepark
if you want street skate fucking streets
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Brotherhood Plaza Stockholm is cool and I love the brick quarter pipe. I'm definitely planning on adding a flat rail. I kinda want it to look like a barcelona round rail.
(https://image.ibb.co/cy4U7J/Screen_Shot_2018_07_01_at_11_14_31_AM.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
It's interesting to read about what you all want in skate parks. Personally, I'd prefer the skate park to be all street spots, but a lot of you think it needs transition. Most people are street skaters, so I wasn't expecting people to want mini pipes and stuff... Chances are you already have transition at your local skatepark, but there isn't a street park in the area. Adding a street park would diversify the terrain of parks. It'd be a legal skate spot. If you went to a street park, would you get bored if there wasn't transition?
we have a fat sausage flatbar at one of our local parks and everyone i know wishes it was a normal round rail
you cant pinch your shit on a sausage
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you cant pinch your shit on a sausage
fetish restaurants
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I did a redesign on a park once for a project, it wasn't very good but I've done a lot of research into landscape architecture. I do agree that there could be a stronger sense of continuity in the park and a way to integrate sections more, but I also appreciate that this just seems like a nice place to hang out, skating or otherwise. I like the trees, and natural elements, and the direction this is going looks pretty good. I think it would help inform some of your decision making in the layout if you research what makes a successful public space and then applying those principles to skateable components. But keep updating, I'd like to see how this develops.
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maybe a little fountain
I like that idea... I made one with a little bit of tranny & street mixed together. It still needs something though. Maybe a statue of a woman in the middle of the top deck or something. Someone pointed out it's harder to certain grinds on thick rails, but I think they look easier to balance on.
(https://preview.ibb.co/eAQhE8/Fountain_QP_Ledge.jpg) (https://ibb.co/joBNE8)
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How about a few skate stoppers for popover tricks
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I like that idea... I made one with a little bit of tranny & street mixed together. It still needs something though. Maybe a statue of a woman in the middle of the top deck or something. Someone pointed out it's harder to certain grinds on thick rails, but I think they look easier to balance on.
(https://preview.ibb.co/eAQhE8/Fountain_QP_Ledge.jpg) (https://ibb.co/joBNE8)
with this whole "i think" shtick i think you dont even fucking skate
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water fountain so you dont die of dehydration, ample parking, toilet, lights for nighttime skating
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it just looks like a kid on top of a 7 stair w/ a wooden stick. it wouldn't play for me.
maybe you can make sausage flatbar for thems who's wants em and skinny minnie flatbars for the other guys/
60/40?
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Make a rail that's not a double kink. Most normal skaters wouldn't be able to do much on that thing.
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My thought process about the double kink rail was that pros might not feel challenged enough on an easy rail. I wanted to put in at least one pro obstacle, while the rest of the obstacles cater to the average & beginner skill level. I removed the planter gap and put in some pole jams into a bank. They're at various angles for different skill levels. Also, you could gap over the chains into the bank or over the chains out of the bank.
(https://preview.ibb.co/hTPzgo/Skate_Park_Project_V3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c4KX1o)
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My thought process about the double kink rail was that pros might not feel challenged enough on an easy rail. I wanted to put in at least one pro obstacle, while the rest of the obstacles cater to the average & beginner skill level. I removed the planter gap and put in some pole jams into a bank. They're at various angles for different skill levels. Also, you could gap over the chains into the bank or over the chains out of the bank.
(https://preview.ibb.co/hTPzgo/Skate_Park_Project_V3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c4KX1o)
How many pros skate your current local park? You've got to cater to your main audience. Fuck, just put in a 30 stair 5 kink incase K-Walks shows up. Definitely need a 30 foot drop in case Jaws drops by.
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You've got a real knack for designing okay street spots
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My thought process about the double kink rail was that pros might not feel challenged enough on an easy rail. I wanted to put in at least one pro obstacle, while the rest of the obstacles cater to the average & beginner skill level. I removed the planter gap and put in some pole jams into a bank. They're at various angles for different skill levels. Also, you could gap over the chains into the bank or over the chains out of the bank.
(https://preview.ibb.co/hTPzgo/Skate_Park_Project_V3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c4KX1o)
How many pros skate your current local park? You've got to cater to your main audience. Fuck, just put in a 30 stair 5 kink incase K-Walks shows up. Definitely need a 30 foot drop in case Jaws drops by.
i'd keep matt schlager in mind and build a crazy 15 flat 15.
yoo hoo, matt schlager will make your spot famous
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looks shitty. Why the double set ? make the trees bigger
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looks shitty. Why the double set ? make the trees bigger
I put in the 3 flat 3 for people to do tricks down the stairs. There's a 2 stair too in case you can't skate the double set. Sorry you don't like it... I'll consider putting in a 15 flat 15 with skate stoppers as requested. There's nothing quite as fun as launching an unmanned skateboard down a 30 stair, then Tech Decking down the handrail and doing an ollie over each skate stopper.
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If there is no fetish restaurant, can you put some fruit on the trees for when I get hungry? Or to throw at scooter kids.
Also, pros like fruit. That may entice them to visit.
And a 20' bowl with a hubba in it. Because I want to keep to that 80/20 ratio.
regards,
stabby bird
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and just to make your park stand out, really 'pop' how about a mount rushmore statue? but instead of dead presidents to represent me [get money] it can be 80s celtic greats. 'chief' robert parish, kevin 'frankenstein' mcchale, danny 'mormon' ainge and lawrence 'larry bird' bird.
*substitute dj for danny ainge if you want but he's the forgettable 5th man.
once on 411 koston did a slappy grind on a bouncy pole then propelled of it to grind a nearby ledge. maybe you could make something similar.
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looks shitty. Why the double set ? make the trees bigger
I put in the 3 flat 3 for people to do tricks down the stairs. There's a 2 stair too in case you can't skate the double set. Sorry you don't like it... I'll consider putting in a 15 flat 15 with skate stoppers as requested. There's nothing quite as fun as launching an unmanned skateboard down a 30 stair, then Tech Decking down the handrail and doing an ollie over each skate stopper.
Focus your shit anytime
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and just to make your park stand out, really 'pop' how about a mount rushmore statue? but instead of dead presidents to represent me [get money] it can be 80s celtic greats. 'chief' robert parish, kevin 'frankenstein' mcchale, danny 'mormon' ainge and lawrence 'larry bird' bird.
What if the mount rushmore statue was of Shane O'Neill, Eric Koston, Rodney Mullen, and Nyjah Huston? Runner-ups being Bam or Stefan Janoski...
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and just to make your park stand out, really 'pop' how about a mount rushmore statue? but instead of dead presidents to represent me [get money] it can be 80s celtic greats. 'chief' robert parish, kevin 'frankenstein' mcchale, danny 'mormon' ainge and lawrence 'larry bird' bird.
What if the mount rushmore statue was of Shane O'Neill, Eric Koston, Rodney Mullen, and Nyjah Huston?
not abstract enough. that's like having 'skateboard skateboards'. you gotta have 'coffee skateboards'. or 'tv skateboards'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgFcl3BrJpU
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not abstract enough. that's like having 'skateboard skateboards'. you gotta have 'coffee skateboards'. or 'tv skateboards'.
Okay... What about... A mount rushmore statue featuring 4 security guards? Maybe Paul Blart, Big Black, the security guard from EA skate, and a crazy lady flipping everyone off.
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not abstract enough. that's like having 'skateboard skateboards'. you gotta have 'coffee skateboards'. or 'tv skateboards'.
Okay... What about... A mount rushmore statue featuring 4 security guards? One of the could be Paul Blart.
now we're steppin in good shit
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(https://image.ibb.co/cEaCmo/Screen_Shot_2018_07_13_at_8_14_44_PM.png) (https://imgbb.com/)
Paul Blart, Mount Rush More Cop
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dan drehobl and the other cop from donut duty?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSFzxbg_ME
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My thought process about the double kink rail was that pros might not feel challenged enough on an easy rail. I wanted to put in at least one pro obstacle, while the rest of the obstacles cater to the average & beginner skill level. I removed the planter gap and put in some pole jams into a bank. They're at various angles for different skill levels. Also, you could gap over the chains into the bank or over the chains out of the bank.
(https://preview.ibb.co/hTPzgo/Skate_Park_Project_V3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c4KX1o)
Chains at a skatepark, especially one that you want to feel like a regular city park, are a huge mess waiting to happen. Some 12 year old kid is going to try to hippy jump into the bank going 0 miles an hour and slide down on his face, and then you'll have a brigade of parents threatening litigation over your choice to incorporate 'non-skate obstacles' and 'intentionally unstable surfaces'.
Stick to stuff that doesn't wiggle and can't be moved around the park and you'll save yourself a multitude of headaches into the future.
Edit: After seeing all the good responses above, I'm mad at myself for giving you semi-constructive feedback. Be sure to have a leatherbound animatronic Berra at your fetish restaurant.
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NO SAUSAGE RAILS
polejam=fun and easy
polejam with chain=terrifying
double set kink rail=waist of concrete
pretty much all parks have stairs to jump down and if not...street...fuck stairs anyway
a few parks have big ass street size handrails around here
and everone that eyes them out says the same thing
Might as well do it on a street rail.
Dont be part of the problem be part of the solution.
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My thought process about the double kink rail was that pros might not feel challenged enough on an easy rail. I wanted to put in at least one pro obstacle, while the rest of the obstacles cater to the average & beginner skill level. I removed the planter gap and put in some pole jams into a bank. They're at various angles for different skill levels. Also, you could gap over the chains into the bank or over the chains out of the bank.
(https://preview.ibb.co/hTPzgo/Skate_Park_Project_V3.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c4KX1o)
Chains at a skatepark, especially one that you want to feel like a regular city park, are a huge mess waiting to happen. Some 12 year old kid is going to try to hippy jump into the bank going 0 miles an hour and slide down on his face, and then you'll have a brigade of parents threatening litigation over your choice to incorporate 'non-skate obstacles' and 'intentionally unstable surfaces'.
Stick to stuff that doesn't wiggle and can't be moved around the park and you'll save yourself a multitude of headaches into the future.
Edit: After seeing all the good responses above, I'm mad at myself for giving you semi-constructive feedback. Be sure to have a leatherbound animatronic Berra at your fetish restaurant.
Chains are actually safer than most stair sets at skate parks when you compare the impact between the two. Especially considering it's a relatively mellow bank and a relatively low chain. We're talking like only 1" - 1' 3" high. Most people can hippy hop over a 1' 3" chain, but I guess the bank adds a little bit of difficulty to the trick. The main reason I put chains in the park is because I love to do tricks over chains. Especially when they're low to the ground. Chains do move, but I always make sure they're relatively still before I try a trick. Everything in the render is a skateable obstacle, except the ivy wall. The poles are 2' high, so people can ollie them into the bank. There's always that one guy who can ollie really high, so the poles are for them.
You bring up a good point about liability issues. Skateboarding is a dangerous sport and injuries are common, so the liability issues are definitely a concern to me too. My sole intent in skate park design is to design a place for people to have fun skateboarding in a relatively safe environment. I don't know how to make skateboarding 100% safe. Even if the entire park was flatground, someone will still probably get injured.
Skaters, what are your favorite types of spot to skate? Like tell me a little bit about your go-to skatespot. For example, do you most enjoy skating manual pads, stairs, ledges, or banks? My favorite is probably manual pads.
And then, what's your dream spot? Feel free to get as creative as you like. Mine would probably be a ramp over a chain. Kinda like in the render, but with more space between the bank and the chains.
@bumpovertrash The pole jam with the chains isn't terrifying to me! You just need to jump over the rail, but put your trucks in a grind too. If you don't make it, then you can lift up your feet and land past the chain, land on your feet, and run it off. Not to mention it's only about 10" high & only 2' of grinding. It's just big enough to get both trucks on. It's not as big as it looks.
I like sausage rails.
I wouldn't skate the double kinked rail, but I know other people could easily skate that who frequent my local skate parks. They skate rails everyday, so I think it'd get used. The rail is about 2'6" high, so it's 6" shorter than an ADA standardized street rail. And it'd be cool to watch in skate videos.
I agree that stairs aren't very fun to skate. I hate breaking my board and getting hurt on them, but other people seem to like stairs. My favorite stairs are 2-6 stairs. My biggest stair set ollie was 10 stairs, but I know other people who can do way more.
The park rails usually don't look very cool. No offense. So I get it. Why not just do it on a street rail.
I'm honestly kinda procrastinating on the skate park design. Just not feeling very motivated to design lately for some reason. Sorry if this disappoints anyone, but I just feel like my skate park designs aren't going anywhere. I feel like I'm designing for nothing because they never get built. Also, skate parks are really expensive. Maybe if I focus on something more feasible, like a portable obstacle or something...
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my dream spot is anything that doesn't include double sets or chains..
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I like all the uninterrupted flat ground you have going.
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what about a golf themed skate course? like sand traps and water traps for your board to go into? that could be fun. or maybe mini golf and you gotta skate through a tunnel while a windmill tries to thwack you preventatively.
skateparks are often a sterile environment but not burnside. maybe you could employ an older guy to 'create scene' and carve around drunk in a mesh hat demanding beer money from younger skaters?
they won't like it now but they'll reminisce fondly about 'paying their dues' and how kids today have it too easy when they get older.
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If you put in chains I would connect them with hooks so you can take them out at any time, otherwise you kill the spot’s versatility.
I like pole jams but over a chain? Hell no!
Larger banks/transitions at the bottom to counter and utilize the speed of the bank and charge for going up. Having to push to kick out that bank tires out fast.
The rail is also too gnarly for my taste. People that casually skate real height kickers will skate them on street anyways. The skatepark is more a training ground. Having one side a straight hub a and the other side kinked would be nicer. You get two different obstacles on one set.
Maybe a euro on the bank. I really like the bridge! Maybe a bank to bank over the same gap would be cool. I always like gaps. And really try to keep flow and connectability in mind!
Keep at it, we need spots to be built nicely.
Check out “landhausplatz Innsbruck, Austria” the city gave permission to build out a public square with skate obstacles to connect two different social/recreational spaces and it worked perfectly