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Title: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: rapscallion on August 18, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8ZYse38.jpg)

Chris Joslin the pro skater who is not an idiot at all is of vaccinating his children.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Silky Johnson on August 18, 2018, 10:09:22 PM
Dude I'm sure he's done his research on countless blogs and chat rooms what do doctors with years of schooling know anyway?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Dwyck on August 18, 2018, 10:10:09 PM
Maybe he just doesnt have insurance? I dunno. Where is this on the 'Gall using the N word' to 'Josh harmony' scale of weird politics
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: ChronicBluntSlider on August 18, 2018, 10:14:40 PM
I can't even imagine the mind numbing conversations that occur when Plan B assembles as a team. Good for Torey for bailing on these half wits.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: nopes on August 18, 2018, 10:15:38 PM
Maybe he just doesnt have insurance? I dunno. Where is this on the 'Gall using the N word' to 'Josh harmony' scale of weird politics

It's pretty bad since anti vaxxers actually put others at risk.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Thrillho on August 18, 2018, 10:18:51 PM
They make everyone on a work visa show proof of  complete vaccination just to come here and catch measles from some ugly little kid.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: DM on August 18, 2018, 10:28:16 PM
She'll catch his swamp ass
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Shuh on August 18, 2018, 10:49:13 PM
Yep I'll stick with the Reynolds G6 thank you
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: drunkenshredder on August 18, 2018, 11:30:26 PM
gj starting a thread on his kid...
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: iKobrakai on August 18, 2018, 11:45:01 PM
Between his skating and this shit, I'm pretty sure his IQ is below 95. No surprise here.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Sick Duck on August 18, 2018, 11:52:35 PM
itís crazy how many people think like that, even people that are usually pretty bright
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: ShyLow on August 19, 2018, 12:12:31 AM
Great skateboarder. Painfully stupid, but a great skateboarder.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: LOU.502 on August 19, 2018, 12:17:21 AM
I thought people were past that anti vaccination fad, that shit is SO 2011... Is he a Christian Scientist or whatever? Regardless, dude needs to calm that shit down, yuck
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TwisT on August 19, 2018, 12:49:13 AM
Isnít it some kind of rule about posting pics of peopleís kids?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Zurg on August 19, 2018, 12:55:06 AM
why are people against vaccinating again?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 19, 2018, 01:47:33 AM
why are people against vaccinating again?

Because it's 2018 and sense, reason, logic and facts are no longer wanted or needed.

Because it's 2018 and the disgraced and struck off doctor who proposed a link between MMR and autism has found a new lease of life peddling his bullshit in America who have bizarrely and scarily have welcomed him with open arms. 

Because it's 2018 and the doctor who's work is totally discredited is not only allowed to continue to peddle his bullshit, but also gets to fuck a still hot Elle Macpherson.

Because it's 2018 and it's bizarro world where people don't trust experts and trust people like this:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/7b/3a/627b3ad4aa59b1070df7b468b75bd3a5.png)

More than this:

(http://orogoldschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/OROGOLD-Scientists-Bet-Live-Longest.jpg)

Because it's 2018 and selfish uneducated fuck heads think it's OK to not only not vaccinate their children but to also boast about not vaccinating their children.

Because kids dying from measles is acceptable in some parents minds...in 2018. 60 years after the vaccination was developed and stopped kids...you know...actually dying.

Because it's 2018 and we are all totally, totally fucked unless the constant attack on logic and information can somehow be arrested.

Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: rapscallion on August 19, 2018, 02:26:42 AM
gj starting a thread on his kid...
Isnít it some kind of rule about posting pics of peopleís kids?

Fuck off it's not about his kid it's about him being antivax and putting her life and the lives of others at risk. The pic is from his story which anyone could have accessed, he posts his kid daily. Welcome to 2018 where a huge percentage of parents post public photos and videos of their young children.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: AnotherHardDayAtTheOffice on August 19, 2018, 02:38:58 AM
itís crazy how many people think like that, even people that are usually pretty bright

It's true. Crazy how everybody seems to be believing in their own kind of "fake news". Anti-vaccination and anti-scientific health blogs are the Fox News of the educated. Joslin doesn't strike me as that kind though.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: cosmicgypsies on August 19, 2018, 03:11:33 AM
you're telling me skaters arent smart
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: t_b_303 on August 19, 2018, 04:17:23 AM
What's wrong with natural immunity? Surely the vaccinated will be immune.
Any of you guys actually parents?
I know a guy....
guess what he never vaccinated any if his kids,
and guess what
THEY ALL DIED OF SMALL POX AND POLIO.
actually they are all happy and healthy because the wider vaccinated communities allowed them to prosper.
So to all the parents that took the big pharma blue pill and injected their children with substances they know nothing about or did no research on themselves, and just did it because the good doctor told them so.
Well done have a wink  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: behavioralguide on August 19, 2018, 04:30:14 AM
What's wrong with natural immunity? Surely the vaccinated will be immune.
Any of you guys actually parents?
I know a guy....
guess what he never vaccinated any if his kids,
and guess what
THEY ALL DIED OF SMALL POX AND POLIO.
actually they are all happy and healthy because the wider vaccinated communities allowed them to prosper.
So to all the parents that took the big pharma blue pill and injected their children with substances they know nothing about or did no research on themselves, and just did it because the good doctor told them so.
Well done have a wink  ;)

you might be a sharp and critical mind but you sure are egocentric

*might as in you might think you are, I don't
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 19, 2018, 04:37:15 AM
What's wrong with natural immunity? Surely the vaccinated will be immune.
Any of you guys actually parents?
I know a guy....
guess what he never vaccinated any if his kids,
and guess what
THEY ALL DIED OF SMALL POX AND POLIO.
actually they are all happy and healthy because the wider vaccinated communities allowed them to prosper.
So to all the parents that took the big pharma blue pill and injected their children with substances they know nothing about or did no research on themselves, and just did it because the good doctor told them so.
Well done have a wink  ;)

"What's wrong with natural immunity?"

Are you actually fucking serious?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: jomeara1 on August 19, 2018, 04:52:20 AM
I canít think of any other reason why he would post something like that other than to see how many people would call him a fucking idiot.

EDIT:
What's wrong with natural immunity? Surely the vaccinated will be immune.
Any of you guys actually parents?
I know a guy....
guess what he never vaccinated any if his kids,
and guess what
THEY ALL DIED OF SMALL POX AND POLIO.
actually they are all happy and healthy because the wider vaccinated communities allowed them to prosper.
So to all the parents that took the big pharma blue pill and injected their children with substances they know nothing about or did no research on themselves, and just did it because the good doctor told them so.
Well done have a wink  ;)

I know youíre trying to sound like you outsmarted everyone, but you failed. Have fun talking to Gip when he reads your post.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: rapscallion on August 19, 2018, 04:56:34 AM
What's wrong with natural immunity? Surely the vaccinated will be immune.
Any of you guys actually parents?
I know a guy....
guess what he never vaccinated any if his kids,
and guess what
THEY ALL DIED OF SMALL POX AND POLIO.
actually they are all happy and healthy because the wider vaccinated communities allowed them to prosper.
So to all the parents that took the big pharma blue pill and injected their children with substances they know nothing about or did no research on themselves, and just did it because the good doctor told them so.
Well done have a wink  ;)
Until they aren't. You fucking dolt.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Herd_immunity.svg/330px-Herd_immunity.svg.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: feedmeseymour on August 19, 2018, 05:31:13 AM
Iím a fan of making fun of pros, this one in particular, but youíre on some weird shit having a thread about dudes parenting choices.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: nickelflip on August 19, 2018, 05:34:43 AM
Well, definitely not buying his shoe. I'm sure he's a nice, but stupid, person just trying to do what he believes is best for his child... but he's also using his platform as a famous skateboarder with a shitload of followers to pedal dangerous conspiracy theory bullshit. Same reason I won't buy footprint insoles. With so many choices, why give my money to idiots spreading their mental contagion?

Okay, maybe I will still buy his shoe. But any lesser skateboarder would definitely not get a pass.

Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: heckler on August 19, 2018, 05:47:11 AM
Wait, the self-cheering, meth baby pro makes poor parenting decisions?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: behavioralguide on August 19, 2018, 05:53:13 AM
Wait, the self-cheering, meth baby pro makes poor parenting decisions?

hes meth vaxxing little londen?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Sleazy on August 19, 2018, 05:53:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msSLFTm4WQI
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: smellsdead on August 19, 2018, 05:58:43 AM
"big pharma"
nuff said
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: HotnSpicyMcChicken on August 19, 2018, 07:48:50 AM
Dude this sucks. I always rooted for this guy, but this in inexcusable.

Aside from him being incredibly dumb, it's possible his wife convinced him abt this this.

She seems smarter than him and appears to take control of their family while utilizing this man's resources, so I wouldn't be surprised if she got on the anti vax tip before him then convinced his pea-brain about all this shit.

Fucking morons. 
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Stoop Kid 2.0 on August 19, 2018, 08:41:19 AM
Iíll post some screenshots later, but these two whackjobs I know post about not vaccinating their children all the time and all the harm vaccines cause. Some of the shit the post is absolutely wild and I just canít comprehend how dumb these people are.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Mongoloid on August 19, 2018, 08:49:09 AM
gj starting a thread on his kid...

It's fair game dude, he put it out there for the world to see.

Gotta call a spade a spade when the tards are out to play.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shannamal on August 19, 2018, 08:57:42 AM
I thought people were past that anti vaccination fad, that shit is SO 2011... Is he a Christian Scientist or whatever? Regardless, dude needs to calm that shit down, yuck

I dated a girl for a long time who's mom was a christian scientist. they're actually super pro science, and very pro-vaccine.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: tkp on August 19, 2018, 09:17:45 AM
Chris Joslin on actively taking blood, urine, and saliva samples from his kid and checking them for abnormalities or viruses.

If anyone is reading this who is anti vaccine, just follow this link:
https://www.google.com/search?q=diseases+vaccines+eradicated

This one as well:
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/history-anti-vaccination-movements

Side note, let us not forget that one of the richest human's in the world (at one point), thought he could cure his pancreatic tumor and cancer by drinking juice, receiving acupuncture, and visiting spiritualists. That man was Steve Jobs.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Pigeon on August 19, 2018, 09:19:39 AM
Iím sure kombucha makes a great substitute for penicillin.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: SHIREFLIP on August 19, 2018, 09:29:37 AM
(https://d.justpo.st/media/images/2014/04/c49b693061f748cc6f8e0ef6bd3e109b.jpg)
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TommyDuggs on August 19, 2018, 10:17:35 AM
Can anyone else confirm that was actually on his story?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Gentle Jones on August 19, 2018, 10:30:04 AM
gj

fuck you, clown.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: drunkenshredder on August 19, 2018, 10:38:39 AM
gj starting a thread on his kid...
Isnít it some kind of rule about posting pics of peopleís kids?

Fuck off it's not about his kid it's about him being antivax and putting her life and the lives of others at risk. The pic is from his story which anyone could have accessed, he posts his kid daily. Welcome to 2018 where a huge percentage of parents post public photos and videos of their young children.

you started a thread about this..fuck off and leave his family alone.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: DaveFuck on August 19, 2018, 10:41:24 AM
Can anyone else confirm that was actually on his story?
what more proof do you need? the screenshot is right there.

i saw it aswell.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: DCLOVE on August 19, 2018, 10:41:44 AM
doesnít California require vaccines to get into school? Even if heís dumb as shit the kid will need them to get into a public school.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Gentle Jones on August 19, 2018, 10:44:13 AM
gj starting a thread on his kid...
Isnít it some kind of rule about posting pics of peopleís kids?

Fuck off it's not about his kid it's about him being antivax and putting her life and the lives of others at risk. The pic is from his story which anyone could have accessed, he posts his kid daily. Welcome to 2018 where a huge percentage of parents post public photos and videos of their young children.

you started a thread about this..fuck off and leave his family alone.

i have never posted a photo of a child in this forum. you are a liar.

and you are a trash can.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: DM on August 19, 2018, 10:47:45 AM
He posted his own kid on Instagram. What's the issue with sharing it? He's clearly proud of being a cretin.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Sleazy on August 19, 2018, 11:31:30 AM
first time parents do all kinds of dumb shit and if you haven't had kids yet you will likely do some dumb shit too on your first. it's all about the latest trends, ignoring things are that are widely held as good ideas and trying new approaches. it's dumb as shit but that's just how first time moms are and the dads are usually mostly along for the ride.

not saying this shit isn't dumb, it's just not unusual.

by the third child the moms are almost dads though so it works out. let them be silly about their kid, that's part of it.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on August 19, 2018, 11:45:04 AM
doesnít California require vaccines to get into school? Even if heís dumb as shit the kid will need them to get into a public school.
Yup, sure do. No exceptions as far as I know too.
What heís doing is committing child abuse out of a sense of arrogance. He hasnít studied medicine, but somehow thinks he knows more than medical experts and is committing child abuse, isolating his kid from society. Iíve known parents strongly on the anti-vax train and they home school their kids, despite being more stupid than a 3rd grader themselves. The kids virtually spend 95% of the day in the house, bouncing off the walls, falling behind their peers socially and intellectually, setting themselves up for a life of failure and isolation, because mom and dad stubbornly and uncritically think the worst thing you can do to a kid is vaccinate them.
Its straight up child abuse spawned from a combination of arrogance and ignorance by people who should have their children taken by protective services.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 12:08:46 PM
I have two healthy daughters neither of which have been vaccinated. I suppose Joslin came to the same conclusion as my wife and I did that there was no need to rush into preemptively injecting our underdeveloped children with potentially harmful synthetic chemicals. We aren't against modern medicine in fact both of our children were born in hospitals and we have one down the street from our house. If they get sick we can simply take them there to be treated if and when the time comes. If you think logically about many of the vaccinations they are for diseases that our children are not going to be exposed to and if there comes a time they will be exposed we can decide at that point to vaccinate. Obviously I'm not going to judge anyone on their decisions pertaining to their children both those who choose to vaccinate or not to vaccinate have good intentions. I just had this conversation with another parent yesterday in fact and its fascinating how polarized this discussion has come on both sides. I suppose its a testament to where we are as a society today.

The fact of the matter is, it's all about where we are in life at the time the decision has to be made. At the time my eldest daughter was conceived and for that year I was was in the process of drastically changing my lifestyle and diet as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months just eating clean and real foods opposed to processed junk and I was and still am 6 years later all about not putting anything synthetic into my body and it changed my life in such a positive way I wanted the same for my family and daughter so thats the perspective I was coming from. I'm not discounting modern medicine whatsoever but I will admit I am apprehensive to trust the pharmaceutical industry. You can flame me and Joslin all you want but the fact is no one really knows whats best, they make the best judgement they can based off their experience. Just as every kid that is vaccinated does not become autistic, unvaccinated kids don't instantly get polio. Those are simply the extremes on both sides.

I spoke to my daughters doctor 2 days ago for her yearly check up and they had 8 shots they "recommended" but even her doctor said the only one she felt would really be beneficial given where we live and my daughters exposure was the measles vaccine. That is pretty telling in itself and any "normal" parent would just get all 8 shots for their kid even though the doctors themselves know that their patients unless they are traveling to a third world country or routinely play in pools of hepatitis laden blood will never be exposed. I told her I would discuss the measles shot with my wife, simple as that.

Where I live in Virginia kids don't have to be vaccinated to be in school but from my experience public school was trash and torture so I don't want to do that to my kids. We have our daughter in Montessori school and she's just fine. I don't home school but Gipper might want to look at the statistics of home school educated children versus public school educated children before he spouts off more bullshit about them being "stupid". I work from home so I'm with my daughters everyday and take them everywhere with me, to the park and to library story time as well as read to both of them every night for at least 30 minutes. When they aren't with us they are in camps and classes with other kids.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shripshrapper on August 19, 2018, 12:11:05 PM
How is this any of SLAPs business?

Go fucking report him, or go take his kid away yourself if you're so settled on him being an abusive parent.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Gentle Jones on August 19, 2018, 12:12:59 PM
as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months

thats awesome. do you skate.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 12:15:16 PM
doesnít California require vaccines to get into school? Even if heís dumb as shit the kid will need them to get into a public school.
Yup, sure do. No exceptions as far as I know too.
What heís doing is committing child abuse out of a sense of arrogance. He hasnít studied medicine, but somehow thinks he knows more than medical experts and is committing child abuse, isolating his kid from society. Iíve known parents strongly on the anti-vax train and they home school their kids, despite being more stupid than a 3rd grader themselves. The kids virtually spend 95% of the day in the house, bouncing off the walls, falling behind their peers socially and intellectually, setting themselves up for a life of failure and isolation, because mom and dad stubbornly and uncritically think the worst thing you can do to a kid is vaccinate them.
Its straight up child abuse spawned from a combination of arrogance and ignorance by people who should have their children taken by protective services.

A classic example of the polarization I mentioned and yet not surprising. You of all people should know the stats on homeschooler education vs. public school educated in relation to sat scores and overall academic success. I says this unbiasedly since I wasn't home schooled and neither are my children but I have kids so of course I've done the research on both sides.

Personally I don't think it even matters because in my experience school did nothing for me as I graduated with a D average and didn't attend college and I'm doing fine.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Cherb on August 19, 2018, 12:16:24 PM
The reason your kid wont be exposed to that shit is because other kids have their vaccines. Sure, you're definitely fine riding the coat tails of others that choose to vaccinate their children. But it's a trend that will become extremely dangerous if it gets too popular.





On the other hand, there is too many people. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 12:18:53 PM
as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months

thats awesome. do you skate.

I do skate, I've been skateboarding since I was 10 and have never stopped or taken a hiatus but I was always the fat kid in my crew so by the time I was 13-14 I became the filmer which I still do a lot of but I'm definitely able to skate better since I lost weight. I actually lost 130lbs total which was almost 6 years ago. Obviously I'm an adult now a family but I still get out once a week to film and skate.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Rasmus on August 19, 2018, 12:22:59 PM
IDIOTIC NONSENSE

Seriously WHAT THE FUCK?! This has to be the dumbest shit stacked upon dumb shit that I have read in a million years. It is people like you that in a very serious and concrete way make everything move backwards. JEEEZ!
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Rasmus on August 19, 2018, 12:24:30 PM
In this thread I agree 100 % with Gipper.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: bucketoftruth on August 19, 2018, 12:24:59 PM
I have two healthy daughters neither of which have been vaccinated. I suppose Joslin came to the same conclusion as my wife and I did that there was no need to rush into preemptively injecting our underdeveloped children with potentially harmful synthetic chemicals. We aren't against modern medicine in fact both of our children were born in hospitals and we have one down the street from our house. If they get sick we can simply take them there to be treated if and when the time comes. If you think logically about many of the vaccinations they are for diseases that our children are not going to be exposed to and if there comes a time they will be exposed we can decide at that point to vaccinate. Obviously I'm not going to judge anyone on their decisions pertaining to their children both those who choose to vaccinate or not to vaccinate have good intentions. I just had this conversation with another parent yesterday in fact and its fascinating how polarized this discussion has come on both sides. I suppose its a testament to where we are as a society today.

The fact of the matter is, it's all about where we are in life at the time the decision has to be made. At the time my eldest daughter was conceived and for that year I was was in the process of drastically changing my lifestyle and diet as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months just eating clean and real foods opposed to processed junk and I was and still am 6 years later all about not putting anything synthetic into my body and it changed my life in such a positive way I wanted the same for my family and daughter so thats the perspective I was coming from. I'm not discounting modern medicine whatsoever but I will admit I am apprehensive to trust the pharmaceutical industry. You can flame me and Joslin all you want but the fact is no one really knows whats best, they make the best judgement they can based off their experience. Just as every kid that is vaccinated does not become autistic, unvaccinated kids don't instantly get polio. Those are simply the extremes on both sides.

I spoke to my daughters doctor 2 days ago for her yearly check up and they had 8 shots they "recommended" but even her doctor said the only one she felt would really be beneficial given where we live and my daughters exposure was the measles vaccine. That is pretty telling in itself and any "normal" parent would just get all 8 shots for their kid even though the doctors themselves know that their patients unless they are traveling to a third world country or routinely play in pools of hepatitis laden blood will never be exposed. I told her I would discuss the measles shot with my wife, simple as that.

Where I live in Virginia kids don't have to be vaccinated to be in school but from my experience public school was trash and torture so I don't want to do that to my kids. We have our daughter in Montessori school and she's just fine. I don't home school but Gipper might want to look at the statistics of home school educated children versus public school educated children before he spouts off more bullshit about them being "stupid". I work from home so I'm with my daughters everyday and take them everywhere with me, to the park and to library story time as well as read to both of them every night for at least 30 minutes. When they aren't with us they are in camps and classes with other kids.

You realize that you dont have to go to a third world country to be exposed to a third world disease, right? I bet there are some hippie kids from Madagascar at the park coughing up garbage and you are just rolling the dice on your kids lives. Please dont bring your kids to the park with you, if you ever leave your house.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 12:27:44 PM
The reason your kid wont be exposed to that shit is because other kids have their vaccines. Sure, you're definitely fine riding the coat tails of others that choose to vaccinate their children. But it's a trend that will become extremely dangerous if it gets too popular.





On the other hand, there is too many people. ::) ::)


Ding ding ding...same thing over and over from you sickos. That's not why my kids won't be exposed some of those vaccines are to prevent STDs from the mother which my wife has none as well as various hepatitis which is extremely hard to get unless you come in direct contact with it which my kids won't at least not now. I've done the research, I've spoken to doctors and professionals and have received a lot of insight over the years, are there risks? Absolutely but there are risks on the other side as well, don't take my word for it, each vaccine has a long list of potential side effects you can go and read for yourself if you're that bored. I'm not using that as a scare tactic or to prove I'm right I'm just saying that objectively and saying its for a parent to decide for themselves. As far as child abuse goes I could say my parents abused me by feeding me frozen foods and mcdonalds when I was a kid but they did the best they could both working and barely getting by. I'm not defending anyone even myself I'm just adding a different perspective as a parent with the experience in this area which I'm guessing most of you don't have.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 12:28:15 PM
I have two healthy daughters neither of which have been vaccinated. I suppose Joslin came to the same conclusion as my wife and I did that there was no need to rush into preemptively injecting our underdeveloped children with potentially harmful synthetic chemicals. We aren't against modern medicine in fact both of our children were born in hospitals and we have one down the street from our house. If they get sick we can simply take them there to be treated if and when the time comes. If you think logically about many of the vaccinations they are for diseases that our children are not going to be exposed to and if there comes a time they will be exposed we can decide at that point to vaccinate. Obviously I'm not going to judge anyone on their decisions pertaining to their children both those who choose to vaccinate or not to vaccinate have good intentions. I just had this conversation with another parent yesterday in fact and its fascinating how polarized this discussion has come on both sides. I suppose its a testament to where we are as a society today.

The fact of the matter is, it's all about where we are in life at the time the decision has to be made. At the time my eldest daughter was conceived and for that year I was was in the process of drastically changing my lifestyle and diet as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months just eating clean and real foods opposed to processed junk and I was and still am 6 years later all about not putting anything synthetic into my body and it changed my life in such a positive way I wanted the same for my family and daughter so thats the perspective I was coming from. I'm not discounting modern medicine whatsoever but I will admit I am apprehensive to trust the pharmaceutical industry. You can flame me and Joslin all you want but the fact is no one really knows whats best, they make the best judgement they can based off their experience. Just as every kid that is vaccinated does not become autistic, unvaccinated kids don't instantly get polio. Those are simply the extremes on both sides.

I spoke to my daughters doctor 2 days ago for her yearly check up and they had 8 shots they "recommended" but even her doctor said the only one she felt would really be beneficial given where we live and my daughters exposure was the measles vaccine. That is pretty telling in itself and any "normal" parent would just get all 8 shots for their kid even though the doctors themselves know that their patients unless they are traveling to a third world country or routinely play in pools of hepatitis laden blood will never be exposed. I told her I would discuss the measles shot with my wife, simple as that.

Where I live in Virginia kids don't have to be vaccinated to be in school but from my experience public school was trash and torture so I don't want to do that to my kids. We have our daughter in Montessori school and she's just fine. I don't home school but Gipper might want to look at the statistics of home school educated children versus public school educated children before he spouts off more bullshit about them being "stupid". I work from home so I'm with my daughters everyday and take them everywhere with me, to the park and to library story time as well as read to both of them every night for at least 30 minutes. When they aren't with us they are in camps and classes with other kids.

This
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Gentle Jones on August 19, 2018, 12:28:30 PM
as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months

thats awesome. do you skate.

I do skate, I've been skateboarding since I was 10 and have never stopped or taken a hiatus but I was always the fat kid in my crew so by the time I was 13-14 I became the filmer which I still do a lot of but I'm definitely able to skate better since I lost weight. I actually lost 130lbs total which was almost 6 years ago. Obviously I'm an adult now a family but I still get out once a week to film and skate.

dang thats amazing. very cool to hear. keep it up.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 12:39:37 PM
I have two healthy daughters neither of which have been vaccinated. I suppose Joslin came to the same conclusion as my wife and I did that there was no need to rush into preemptively injecting our underdeveloped children with potentially harmful synthetic chemicals. We aren't against modern medicine in fact both of our children were born in hospitals and we have one down the street from our house. If they get sick we can simply take them there to be treated if and when the time comes. If you think logically about many of the vaccinations they are for diseases that our children are not going to be exposed to and if there comes a time they will be exposed we can decide at that point to vaccinate. Obviously I'm not going to judge anyone on their decisions pertaining to their children both those who choose to vaccinate or not to vaccinate have good intentions. I just had this conversation with another parent yesterday in fact and its fascinating how polarized this discussion has come on both sides. I suppose its a testament to where we are as a society today.

The fact of the matter is, it's all about where we are in life at the time the decision has to be made. At the time my eldest daughter was conceived and for that year I was was in the process of drastically changing my lifestyle and diet as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months just eating clean and real foods opposed to processed junk and I was and still am 6 years later all about not putting anything synthetic into my body and it changed my life in such a positive way I wanted the same for my family and daughter so thats the perspective I was coming from. I'm not discounting modern medicine whatsoever but I will admit I am apprehensive to trust the pharmaceutical industry. You can flame me and Joslin all you want but the fact is no one really knows whats best, they make the best judgement they can based off their experience. Just as every kid that is vaccinated does not become autistic, unvaccinated kids don't instantly get polio. Those are simply the extremes on both sides.

I spoke to my daughters doctor 2 days ago for her yearly check up and they had 8 shots they "recommended" but even her doctor said the only one she felt would really be beneficial given where we live and my daughters exposure was the measles vaccine. That is pretty telling in itself and any "normal" parent would just get all 8 shots for their kid even though the doctors themselves know that their patients unless they are traveling to a third world country or routinely play in pools of hepatitis laden blood will never be exposed. I told her I would discuss the measles shot with my wife, simple as that.

Where I live in Virginia kids don't have to be vaccinated to be in school but from my experience public school was trash and torture so I don't want to do that to my kids. We have our daughter in Montessori school and she's just fine. I don't home school but Gipper might want to look at the statistics of home school educated children versus public school educated children before he spouts off more bullshit about them being "stupid". I work from home so I'm with my daughters everyday and take them everywhere with me, to the park and to library story time as well as read to both of them every night for at least 30 minutes. When they aren't with us they are in camps and classes with other kids.

You realize that you dont have to go to a third world country to be exposed to a third world disease, right? I bet there are some hippie kids from Madagascar at the park coughing up garbage and you are just rolling the dice on your kids lives. Please dont bring your kids to the park with you, if you ever leave your house.

Of course I realized that, I even said that above but there are many diseases where the chances of you child getting them are a tiny percentage. We actually do live in a moderately diverse area in northern Virginia although not as diverse as where I grew up outside Washington DC. I take both of my kids to the park multiple times a week, its only a mile away so we walk there and they play in the dirt and with all kids. I've been taking my youngest daughter since she was old enough to swing on the swings which I guess was about 8-9 months.

Anyway that is my experience and some insight into it, I'm not trying to argue with anyone else about it and further polarize the issue.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Dwyck on August 19, 2018, 12:45:59 PM
Holy shit i worry for your kids
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 19, 2018, 12:46:59 PM
I have two healthy daughters neither of which have been vaccinated. I suppose Joslin came to the same conclusion as my wife and I did that there was no need to rush into preemptively injecting our underdeveloped children with potentially harmful synthetic chemicals. We aren't against modern medicine in fact both of our children were born in hospitals and we have one down the street from our house. If they get sick we can simply take them there to be treated if and when the time comes. If you think logically about many of the vaccinations they are for diseases that our children are not going to be exposed to and if there comes a time they will be exposed we can decide at that point to vaccinate. Obviously I'm not going to judge anyone on their decisions pertaining to their children both those who choose to vaccinate or not to vaccinate have good intentions. I just had this conversation with another parent yesterday in fact and its fascinating how polarized this discussion has come on both sides. I suppose its a testament to where we are as a society today.

The fact of the matter is, it's all about where we are in life at the time the decision has to be made. At the time my eldest daughter was conceived and for that year I was was in the process of drastically changing my lifestyle and diet as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months just eating clean and real foods opposed to processed junk and I was and still am 6 years later all about not putting anything synthetic into my body and it changed my life in such a positive way I wanted the same for my family and daughter so thats the perspective I was coming from. I'm not discounting modern medicine whatsoever but I will admit I am apprehensive to trust the pharmaceutical industry. You can flame me and Joslin all you want but the fact is no one really knows whats best, they make the best judgement they can based off their experience. Just as every kid that is vaccinated does not become autistic, unvaccinated kids don't instantly get polio. Those are simply the extremes on both sides.

I spoke to my daughters doctor 2 days ago for her yearly check up and they had 8 shots they "recommended" but even her doctor said the only one she felt would really be beneficial given where we live and my daughters exposure was the measles vaccine. That is pretty telling in itself and any "normal" parent would just get all 8 shots for their kid even though the doctors themselves know that their patients unless they are traveling to a third world country or routinely play in pools of hepatitis laden blood will never be exposed. I told her I would discuss the measles shot with my wife, simple as that.

Where I live in Virginia kids don't have to be vaccinated to be in school but from my experience public school was trash and torture so I don't want to do that to my kids. We have our daughter in Montessori school and she's just fine. I don't home school but Gipper might want to look at the statistics of home school educated children versus public school educated children before he spouts off more bullshit about them being "stupid". I work from home so I'm with my daughters everyday and take them everywhere with me, to the park and to library story time as well as read to both of them every night for at least 30 minutes. When they aren't with us they are in camps and classes with other kids.
wow. Just.....wow.

I can't comprehend stupid on this scale.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Cherb on August 19, 2018, 12:49:25 PM
The reason your kid wont be exposed to that shit is because other kids have their vaccines. Sure, you're definitely fine riding the coat tails of others that choose to vaccinate their children. But it's a trend that will become extremely dangerous if it gets too popular.





On the other hand, there is too many people. ::) ::)


Ding ding ding...same thing over and over from you sickos. That's not why my kids won't be exposed some of those vaccines are to prevent STDs from the mother which my wife has none as well as various hepatitis which is extremely hard to get unless you come in direct contact with it which my kids won't at least not now. I've done the research, I've spoken to doctors and professionals and have received a lot of insight over the years, are there risks? Absolutely but there are risks on the other side as well, don't take my word for it, each vaccine has a long list of potential side effects you can go and read for yourself if you're that bored. I'm not using that as a scare tactic or to prove I'm right I'm just saying that objectively and saying its for a parent to decide for themselves. As far as child abuse goes I could say my parents abused me by feeding me frozen foods and mcdonalds when I was a kid but they did the best they could both working and barely getting by. I'm not defending anyone even myself I'm just adding a different perspective as a parent with the experience in this area which I'm guessing most of you don't have.
Wut? I'm a sicko because I think a ton of kids will die if the anti-vac fad becomes too large?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Dark Knight on August 19, 2018, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: bucketoftruth link=topic=101015.msg2850946
You realize that you dont have to go to a third world country to be exposed to a third world disease, right? I bet there are some hippie kids from Madagascar at the park coughing up garbage and you are just rolling the dice on your kids lives. Please dont bring your kids to the park with you, if you ever leave your house.

There are people from third world countries in this country and more arriving daily.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 01:04:34 PM
So stupidity is stating facts now?

I think "synthetic chemicals" is a pretty accurate description based on this CDC link...

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

Have you read the list of recommended vaccinations? Many of them are to protect against STD's passed on from the mother as well as Hep B as another example so again I stated a fact and you call me stupid.

You're really not making a good case for legitimizing your argument.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: ChuckRamone on August 19, 2018, 01:12:47 PM
there will eventually be a major outbreak of a preventable disease because of all these unvaccinated children and a lot of people will have to learn the hard way that they should have got their kids vaccinated. but given how hard headed and irrational these kinds of people are, they would probably find someone else to blame, like immigrants or liberals.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 01:14:36 PM
The reason your kid wont be exposed to that shit is because other kids have their vaccines. Sure, you're definitely fine riding the coat tails of others that choose to vaccinate their children. But it's a trend that will become extremely dangerous if it gets too popular.





On the other hand, there is too many people. ::) ::)


Ding ding ding...same thing over and over from you sickos. That's not why my kids won't be exposed some of those vaccines are to prevent STDs from the mother which my wife has none as well as various hepatitis which is extremely hard to get unless you come in direct contact with it which my kids won't at least not now. I've done the research, I've spoken to doctors and professionals and have received a lot of insight over the years, are there risks? Absolutely but there are risks on the other side as well, don't take my word for it, each vaccine has a long list of potential side effects you can go and read for yourself if you're that bored. I'm not using that as a scare tactic or to prove I'm right I'm just saying that objectively and saying its for a parent to decide for themselves. As far as child abuse goes I could say my parents abused me by feeding me frozen foods and mcdonalds when I was a kid but they did the best they could both working and barely getting by. I'm not defending anyone even myself I'm just adding a different perspective as a parent with the experience in this area which I'm guessing most of you don't have.
Wut? I'm a sicko because I think a ton of kids will die if the anti-vac fad becomes too large?

No, because you "think" there are 'too many people'. You also "think" tons of kids are going to die, but how are you anymore of an expert on the subject. I can tell you what I know based on experience not what I "think" as well I can also state as a fact that tons of kids are already dying from drastically increases cancer rates and auto immune diseases and no I'm not attributing that to vaccinations even though it has been proven in some cases. The fact is the world is full of potential risks.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on August 19, 2018, 01:16:24 PM
I have two healthy daughters neither of which have been vaccinated. I suppose Joslin came to the same conclusion as my wife and I did that there was no need to rush into preemptively injecting our underdeveloped children with potentially harmful synthetic chemicals. We aren't against modern medicine in fact both of our children were born in hospitals and we have one down the street from our house. If they get sick we can simply take them there to be treated if and when the time comes. If you think logically about many of the vaccinations they are for diseases that our children are not going to be exposed to and if there comes a time they will be exposed we can decide at that point to vaccinate. Obviously I'm not going to judge anyone on their decisions pertaining to their children both those who choose to vaccinate or not to vaccinate have good intentions. I just had this conversation with another parent yesterday in fact and its fascinating how polarized this discussion has come on both sides. I suppose its a testament to where we are as a society today.

The fact of the matter is, it's all about where we are in life at the time the decision has to be made. At the time my eldest daughter was conceived and for that year I was was in the process of drastically changing my lifestyle and diet as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months just eating clean and real foods opposed to processed junk and I was and still am 6 years later all about not putting anything synthetic into my body and it changed my life in such a positive way I wanted the same for my family and daughter so thats the perspective I was coming from. I'm not discounting modern medicine whatsoever but I will admit I am apprehensive to trust the pharmaceutical industry. You can flame me and Joslin all you want but the fact is no one really knows whats best, they make the best judgement they can based off their experience. Just as every kid that is vaccinated does not become autistic, unvaccinated kids don't instantly get polio. Those are simply the extremes on both sides.

I spoke to my daughters doctor 2 days ago for her yearly check up and they had 8 shots they "recommended" but even her doctor said the only one she felt would really be beneficial given where we live and my daughters exposure was the measles vaccine. That is pretty telling in itself and any "normal" parent would just get all 8 shots for their kid even though the doctors themselves know that their patients unless they are traveling to a third world country or routinely play in pools of hepatitis laden blood will never be exposed. I told her I would discuss the measles shot with my wife, simple as that.

Where I live in Virginia kids don't have to be vaccinated to be in school but from my experience public school was trash and torture so I don't want to do that to my kids. We have our daughter in Montessori school and she's just fine. I don't home school but Gipper might want to look at the statistics of home school educated children versus public school educated children before he spouts off more bullshit about them being "stupid". I work from home so I'm with my daughters everyday and take them everywhere with me, to the park and to library story time as well as read to both of them every night for at least 30 minutes. When they aren't with us they are in camps and classes with other kids.

So did you do the measles vac? In Sydney we recently had an outbreak of measles, which spread most rapidly in the northern beaches, one of Sydney's most affluent areas. It was said to be caused by a higher concentration of parents not vaccinating their children. I didn't research vaccinations as extensively as you have, but I have seen first hand that not vaccinating your child against measles puts other children at risk.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 19, 2018, 01:18:17 PM
So stupidity is stating facts now?

I think "synthetic chemicals" is a pretty accurate description based on this CDC link...

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

Have you read the list of recommended vaccinations? Many of them are to protect against STD's passed on from the mother as well as Hep B as another example so again I stated a fact and you call me stupid.

You're really not making a good case for legitimizing your argument.

Thanks for the link to what vaccines are. Very useful.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Mongoloid on August 19, 2018, 01:19:32 PM
*A bunch of bullshit from an obese individual who made poor diet choices*

Where I live in Virginia

Tells you all you need to know.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: iforgotmyoldusername on August 19, 2018, 01:20:52 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/health/us-measles-cases-cdc/index.html
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 01:34:30 PM
there will eventually be a major outbreak of a preventable disease because of all these unvaccinated children and a lot of people will have to learn the hard way that they should have got their kids vaccinated. but given how hard headed and irrational these kinds of people are, they would probably find someone else to blame, like immigrants or liberals.

I thought the anti-vaccination movement came from liberals along with the non-gmo/organic movement? At least that was my experience. Its perfectly reasonable for an outbreak to be caused by immigration, no? This has always been a concern and always will be, saying it isn't is in fact irrational. I'm not saying that as a jab against immigration as countries benefit greatly from immigration, its just another risk like anything else. No one would benefit more from an outbreak than the pharmaceutical industry. However outbreaks over the past few years have been mutated versions of diseases of which vaccinations are not available for right away such as the bird and swine flu's.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: HotnSpicyMcChicken on August 19, 2018, 01:40:35 PM
each vaccine has a long list of potential side effects you can go and read for yourself if you're that bored.

Let's hear your tin foil hat elaboration on this point.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 01:44:28 PM
*A bunch of bullshit from an obese individual who made poor diet choices*

Where I live in Virginia

Tells you all you need to know.

Your argument makes no sense. I used to be obese for sure, I ate terribly while working a 50 hours a week mostly at a desk. Had I had my kids then I would've had them vaccinated as I didn't know any different. It wasn't until I started eating healthy that I started to think greatly about everything that went into our bodies.

I suppose you think living in Virginia that makes me some red neck right? Shows the ignorance of Slap, I grew up just outside of Washington DC, which I've found is completely different environment from my friends who grew up outside of Richmond which is only an hour and a half south.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Prison Wallet on August 19, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
TMFK you and your ani-vax brethren are DunningĖKruger kooks.

 You get vaccinations not just for your kids also for the people with compromised immune systems your kids come in contact with.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 19, 2018, 01:47:43 PM
there will eventually be a major outbreak of a preventable disease because of all these unvaccinated children and a lot of people will have to learn the hard way that they should have got their kids vaccinated. but given how hard headed and irrational these kinds of people are, they would probably find someone else to blame, like immigrants or liberals.

I thought the anti-vaccination movement came from liberals along with the non-gmo/organic movement? At least that was my experience. Its perfectly reasonable for an outbreak to be caused by immigration, no? This has always been a concern and always will be, saying it isn't is in fact irrational. I'm not saying that as a jab against immigration as countries benefit greatly from immigration, its just another risk like anything else. No one would benefit more from an outbreak than the pharmaceutical industry. However outbreaks over the past few years have been mutated versions of diseases of which vaccinations are not available for right away such as the bird and swine flu's.

Hmm....if only there was a simple way of alleviating these fears...some way of protecting against this in the future...

Nope. I'm stumped. I guess your unvaccinated kid is just going to have to roll with the punches I guess. Good luck!
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TheLurper on August 19, 2018, 01:49:54 PM
I have two healthy daughters neither of which have been vaccinated. I suppose Joslin came to the same conclusion as my wife and I did...

This

I remember being a middle school student and learning about poor ass people in undeveloped countries that did not believe doctors about nutrition, vaccinations, or medical science in general. Instead they relied on mysticism, superstition, tradition, and religion to ignore simple solutions and rationalize their dangerous behaviors. I remember thinking to myself "Holy fuck, I'm so glad I don't live in a place like this." But, about 2 decades later, here I am. Despite living in a wealthy country, I feel like I might as well live in a village where everyone consults the witch doctor for medical advice.

First, I understand the fear of synthetics, but the hyper-belief in natural or organic and disdain for science is absurd. Polio is an organic substance, Anthrax is a organic substance, but I'd rather not come into contact with either one.

Second, doctor's cannot cure all the diseases you come into contact with. For example, there is no cure for polio, it can only be prevented.

Third, "It is true that vaccination has enabled us to reduce most vaccine-preventable diseases to very low levels in many countries. However, some of them are still quite prevalent ó even epidemic ó in other parts of the world. Travelers can unknowingly bring these diseases into any country, and if the community were not protected by vaccinations, these diseases could quickly spread throughout the population, causing epidemics there." It is irresponsible and poor citizenship to increase your chance of playing a role in an outbreak. Moreover, I'm glad my mom never had to worry about me when there were outbreaks of the measles or some other preventable disease.

Fourth, your appeal to good intentions is absurd. All sorts of people have good intentions and use those intentions to accidentally or purposefully fuck up a lot of people's lives. In some cases, like our health, results are all that matter. I don't really care if the woman at the bar just wanted me to feel good when she was sucking my dick, if I walk away with a case of herpes. If your child infects another kid with a life threatening disease, your good intentions do nothing to help the parents or the child. They won't cure the disease, they won't pay for medical treatment, and they won't take away that child's pain.

Fifth, yes, the fact that use "anti-vaxxer" is your anti-mainstream anti-authority identity marker is an amazing aspect of our times. I never saw this shit coming. You can easily go to the library and look up the peer-reviewed studies that show the effectiveness of various medicines. You can read about where the idea came from, the methods the researchers used to figure out if their idea was right, and go over their results. Anti-vaxx is an amazing position to hold in an era where science is open to anyone with a library card. Critical thinking is not simply doubting, critical thinking is gaining the tools and then using them to examine the world. (Note: Facebook is not an educational resource.) Moreover, you can easily look up the number of polio cases 60 years ago and compare them to cases today. Obviously, vaccinations work.

Sixth, everything you've said comes together when you conflate an unhealthy eating habit with vaccinations, epidemics, and disease. Your regular trips to McDonalds have nothing to do with vaccinations. Both may impact your health (i.e. burgers = fat, vaccinations = prevent disease), but they are very different aspects of your health and should not be conflated. I'm sorry that you have mixed them up.

"You can flame me and Joslin all you want but the fact is no one really knows whats best, they make the best judgement they can based off their experience. Just as every kid that is vaccinated does not become autistic, unvaccinated kids don't instantly get polio. Those are simply the extremes on both sides."

This drives me insane. Your experience, Joslin's experience, and my experiences mean absolutely nothing. People are terrible at "naturally" understanding their world. We are subject to all sorts of issues that cloud our understandings. Such as inaccurate observations (witnesses often remember shit wrong), overgeneralization (I saw x so x must explain everything), selective observation (well I only saw y once, so I can ignore it, x is still everywhere), illogical reasoning (burgers made me fat so vaccinations are bad), and so on. Without systematically and scientifically observing the world, people are pretty terrible at interpreting it.

Science is never 100% but it is a hell of a lot better than your arrogant and reckless guesses. Science is a process that leads us to the closer to the truth. You seem confused on how science works. It starts off with researchers studying experiments that have already been done, and then retesting those experiments or saying, "What is next? What new idea can we make from these previous findings?" Then the medical scientists start their own experiments (often a series of experiments), which include a random sample of participants, which are put into double-blind control and experimental groups (i.e. the neither the researchers nor the participants know which group has gotten the placebo and which one has gotten the stimulus that is hypothesized to create some effect). Then the shit is checked and double checked by other people who have spent their lives developing the skills to properly assess the researchers' methods and results.

The notion that you (without having done any real work) are smarter than people who have dedicated their lives to a particular task is absurd. This is same as me saying, "Oh well, I bet I could build a house. I mean it just takes a hammer and nails and some pipes."

Finally, I hope with all of your anti-pharmaceutical beliefs spent the time to tell your senator to vote no on the recent "right to life bill," which allows the corporations to more easily skip past the FDA (an important verifier for public safety) and sell experimental drugs to the public.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TMKF on August 19, 2018, 01:54:16 PM
each vaccine has a long list of potential side effects you can go and read for yourself if you're that bored.

Let's hear your tin foil hat elaboration on this point.

Tin foil hat=CDC website?

This is pretty brief theres long lists when you go to the websites of each individual drug company but you could simply google this and click on any of these vaccinations to see the potential side effects. I'll also post the MMR one below for those who are too lazy.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#mmrv

MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)

What are the risks from MMR vaccine?

With any medicine, including vaccines, there is a chance of reactions. These are usually mild and go away on their own, but serious reactions are also possible.

Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps, or rubella disease. Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any problems with it.

After MMR vaccination, a person might experience:

Minor events:

Sore arm from the injection
Fever
Redness or rash at the injection site
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck
If these events happen, they usually begin within 2 weeks after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.

Moderate events:

Seizure (jerking or staring) often associated with fever
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause unusual bleeding or bruising
Rash all over body

Severe events occur very rarely:

Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Brain damage


Other things that could happen after this vaccine:

People sometimes faint after medical procedures, including vaccination. Sitting or lying down for about 15 minutes can help prevent fainting and injuries caused by a fall. Tell your provider if you feel dizzy or have vision changes or ringing in the ears.
Some people get shoulder pain that can be more severe and longer-lasting than routine soreness that can follow injections. This happens very rarely.
Any medication can cause a severe allergic reaction. Such reactions to a vaccine are estimated at about 1 in a million doses, and would happen within a few minutes to a few hours after the vaccination.

As with any medicine, there is a very remote chance of a vaccine causing a serious injury or death.

"Rare and very remote" yes I know but to deny that it doesn't exist is ignorant, still a risk as I said. Everything I have stated has been a fact.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: newhampster on August 19, 2018, 01:56:56 PM
there will eventually be a major outbreak of a preventable disease because of all these unvaccinated children and a lot of people will have to learn the hard way that they should have got their kids vaccinated. but given how hard headed and irrational these kinds of people are, they would probably find someone else to blame, like immigrants or liberals.

I thought the anti-vaccination movement came from liberals along with the non-gmo/organic movement? At least that was my experience. Its perfectly reasonable for an outbreak to be caused by immigration, no? This has always been a concern and always will be, saying it isn't is in fact irrational. I'm not saying that as a jab against immigration as countries benefit greatly from immigration, its just another risk like anything else. No one would benefit more from an outbreak than the pharmaceutical industry. However outbreaks over the past few years have been mutated versions of diseases of which vaccinations are not available for right away such as the bird and swine flu's.

A couple points I'd like to make to you:

First, your perception of risk is warped; the risks associated with vaccinations are much smaller than the risks of not vaccinating. There is also the greater societal responsibility of vaccinating (that heard immunity diagram someone posted earlier is awesome.)

Second, which I found more alarming, was your point of living close to a hospital, and if your child came in contact with some kind of viral infection, you'd just take him/her in. Unfortunately vaccines don't work retroactively like that; your kid will just end up sick with a preventable disease. And how would you ever know if your child came in contact with said virus anyway?

I feel like an idiot even responding to your posts, cause you seem like you pretty firmly have your mind made up, but as someone in graduate school studying medicine, I'm passionate about this shit.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 19, 2018, 02:03:45 PM
each vaccine has a long list of potential side effects you can go and read for yourself if you're that bored.

Let's hear your tin foil hat elaboration on this point.

Tin foil hat=CDC website?

This is pretty brief theres long lists when you go to the websites of each individual drug company but you could simply google this and click on any of these vaccinations to see the potential side effects. I'll also post the MMR one below for those who are too lazy.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#mmrv

MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)

What are the risks from MMR vaccine?

With any medicine, including vaccines, there is a chance of reactions. These are usually mild and go away on their own, but serious reactions are also possible.

Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps, or rubella disease. Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any problems with it.


After MMR vaccination, a person might experience:

Minor events:

Sore arm from the injection
Fever
Redness or rash at the injection site
Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck
If these events happen, they usually begin within 2 weeks after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.

Moderate events:

Seizure (jerking or staring) often associated with fever
Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women
Temporary low platelet count, which can cause unusual bleeding or bruising
Rash all over body

Severe events occur very rarely:

Deafness
Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
Brain damage


Other things that could happen after this vaccine:

People sometimes faint after medical procedures, including vaccination. Sitting or lying down for about 15 minutes can help prevent fainting and injuries caused by a fall. Tell your provider if you feel dizzy or have vision changes or ringing in the ears.
Some people get shoulder pain that can be more severe and longer-lasting than routine soreness that can follow injections. This happens very rarely.
Any medication can cause a severe allergic reaction. Such reactions to a vaccine are estimated at about 1 in a million doses, and would happen within a few minutes to a few hours after the vaccination.

As with any medicine, there is a very remote chance of a vaccine causing a serious injury or death.

"Rare and very remote" yes I know but to deny that it doesn't exist is ignorant, still a risk as I said. Everything I have stated has been a fact.

Hang on. Take a look at that bit again.

Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Prison Wallet on August 19, 2018, 02:27:43 PM
There's peer reviewed meta-analysis of all this shit.

TMFK congrats on figuring out how not to be fat--apply some of that work ethic to reading up on good science.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 02:31:26 PM
This is obviously a hot debate.

But the facts are both ways. 1)vaccines can and do work 2)vaccines can and do cause life altering effects

There is very credible science on both ends of the argument

Arguing on slap is rediculous

Joslin made a decision him and his family will have to deal with.

Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: nopes on August 19, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
You antivaxxers make my immuno compromised SO nervous being around children.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 19, 2018, 02:37:26 PM
This is obviously a hot debate.

But the facts are both ways. 1)vaccines can and do work 2)vaccines can and do cause life altering effects

There is very credible science on both ends of the argument

Arguing on slap is rediculous

Joslin made a decision him and his family will have to deal with.
And other families.

You make it sound like point 1 and point 2 are equally weighted. Have a scroll up and read that that bit in red again.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Buck Russell on August 19, 2018, 02:37:38 PM
TMFK you and your ani-vax brethren are DunningĖKruger kooks.

this is v true.

"Dunning-Kruger kook" also perfectly describes ron wilson. great reference.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TheLurper on August 19, 2018, 02:47:08 PM
This is obviously a hot debate.

But the facts are both ways. 1)vaccines can and do work 2)vaccines can and do cause life altering effects

There is very credible science on both ends of the argument

Arguing on slap is rediculous

Joslin made a decision him and his family will have to deal with.

1) I love your appeal "that we are both right."
My use of Jenny McCarthy and conspiracies is equal to the last 200 years of progress in peer-reviewed Western medical science.
My misunderstanding of risk is the same as listening to sound medical advice.

2) I love that you come on SLAP to tell us that SLAP isn't the place to question a 22 year old pro's public denouncement of Western science. Joslin can jump down stairs, but holy fuck, is he ever an embarrassment to skateboarding.

3) This is a debate in the same way some people like to pretend smoking doesn't cause cancer. People have every right to believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer, it doesn't mean that they are right or that "there is credible science on both sides." (If you want please scroll through Google Scholar and report back with all the "credible" anti-vax reports you find.)
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 02:55:26 PM
This is obviously a hot debate.

But the facts are both ways. 1)vaccines can and do work 2)vaccines can and do cause life altering effects

There is very credible science on both ends of the argument

Arguing on slap is rediculous

Joslin made a decision him and his family will have to deal with.

1) I love your appeal "that we are both right."
My use of Jenny McCarthy and conspiracies is equal to the last 200 years of progress in peer-reviewed Western medical science.
My misunderstanding of risk is the same as listening to sound medical advice.

2) I love that you come on SLAP to tell us that SLAP isn't the place to question a 22 year old pro's public denouncement of Western science. Joslin can jump down stairs, but holy fuck, is he ever an embarrassment to skateboarding.

3) This is a debate in the same way some people like to pretend smoking doesn't cause cancer. People have every right to believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer, it doesn't mean that they are right or that "there is credible science on both sides." (If you want please scroll through Google Scholar and report back with all the "credible" anti-vax reports you find.)

Joslin skates good, real good.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shripshrapper on August 19, 2018, 02:57:42 PM
This is obviously a hot debate.

But the facts are both ways. 1)vaccines can and do work 2)vaccines can and do cause life altering effects

There is very credible science on both ends of the argument

Arguing on slap is rediculous

Joslin made a decision him and his family will have to deal with.

1) I love your appeal "that we are both right."
My use of Jenny McCarthy and conspiracies is equal to the last 200 years of progress in peer-reviewed Western medical science.
My misunderstanding of risk is the same as listening to sound medical advice.

2) I love that you come on SLAP to tell us that SLAP isn't the place to question a 22 year old pro's public denouncement of Western science. Joslin can jump down stairs, but holy fuck, is he ever an embarrassment to skateboarding.

3) This is a debate in the same way some people like to pretend smoking doesn't cause cancer. People have every right to believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer, it doesn't mean that they are right or that "there is credible science on both sides." (If you want please scroll through Google Scholar and report back with all the "credible" anti-vax reports you find.)

Joslin skates good, real good.

He should be suspended and replaced with someone who toes the establishment line, that way SLAP can feel safe.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: newhampster on August 19, 2018, 03:02:23 PM
This is obviously a hot debate.

But the facts are both ways. 1)vaccines can and do work 2)vaccines can and do cause life altering effects

There is very credible science on both ends of the argument

Arguing on slap is rediculous

Joslin made a decision him and his family will have to deal with.

1) I love your appeal "that we are both right."
My use of Jenny McCarthy and conspiracies is equal to the last 200 years of progress in peer-reviewed Western medical science.
My misunderstanding of risk is the same as listening to sound medical advice.

2) I love that you come on SLAP to tell us that SLAP isn't the place to question a 22 year old pro's public denouncement of Western science. Joslin can jump down stairs, but holy fuck, is he ever an embarrassment to skateboarding.

3) This is a debate in the same way some people like to pretend smoking doesn't cause cancer. People have every right to believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer, it doesn't mean that they are right or that "there is credible science on both sides." (If you want please scroll through Google Scholar and report back with all the "credible" anti-vax reports you find.)

Joslin skates good, real good.

He should be suspended and replaced with someone who toes the establishment line, that way SLAP can feel safe.

Yeah, that's the problem here. Buncha snowflakes on Slap.  ::)
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shripshrapper on August 19, 2018, 03:09:44 PM
This is obviously a hot debate.

But the facts are both ways. 1)vaccines can and do work 2)vaccines can and do cause life altering effects

There is very credible science on both ends of the argument

Arguing on slap is rediculous

Joslin made a decision him and his family will have to deal with.

1) I love your appeal "that we are both right."
My use of Jenny McCarthy and conspiracies is equal to the last 200 years of progress in peer-reviewed Western medical science.
My misunderstanding of risk is the same as listening to sound medical advice.

2) I love that you come on SLAP to tell us that SLAP isn't the place to question a 22 year old pro's public denouncement of Western science. Joslin can jump down stairs, but holy fuck, is he ever an embarrassment to skateboarding.

3) This is a debate in the same way some people like to pretend smoking doesn't cause cancer. People have every right to believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer, it doesn't mean that they are right or that "there is credible science on both sides." (If you want please scroll through Google Scholar and report back with all the "credible" anti-vax reports you find.)

Joslin skates good, real good.

He should be suspended and replaced with someone who toes the establishment line, that way SLAP can feel safe.

Yeah, that's the problem here. Buncha snowflakes on Slap.  ::)

Well what the hell do you want done? Go call the cops, write an angry letter to his sponsors, do something about it if it bothers you so much.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Gentle Jones on August 19, 2018, 03:13:11 PM
You antivaxxers make my immuno compromised SO nervous being around children.

i am terrified of children. especially teenagers.

also

i'm fearful of flying and flying is fearful of me
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Gary Ate My Peanuts on August 19, 2018, 03:25:37 PM
Most illegal SLAP user: GJ
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Sold Out on August 19, 2018, 03:33:33 PM
The anti vax movement wasn't a thing until a guy called Andrew Wakefield published research linking vax with autism. It later turned out that he lied and manipulated all of his findings, the research was discredited and his medical license was pulled for everything he did. Yet the trend continued, with many people you talk to still claiming this as the reasoning for not properly caring for their kids. It's embarrassing that people are this stupid. Vaccinate your kids.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TommyDuggs on August 19, 2018, 03:36:39 PM
Can anyone else confirm that was actually on his story?
what more proof do you need? the screenshot is right there.

i saw it aswell.
...that is all I was asking for. It's easy to fake a screenshot and it's no longer on his story so I just wanted to know if anyone else had seen it.

Now for the idiots in this thread who are arguing that it's fine not to vaccinate your children, shut the fuck up. You're not a scientist, your opinions are based on absolutely nothing substantial, and your decisions are putting your children at a higher risk of early death (not to mention making the entire community at large less safe). "There are risks associated with vaccines" is a stupid fucking argument. It's literally like having to choose between your child playing russian roulette with 1 bullet in the chamber or 5 bullets in the chamber. There's a risk either way but why the fuck would you pick the one with a higher risk?

Trust the goddamn scientific consensus, jesus fucking christ.
https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/Vaccine-Studies-Examine-the-Evidence.aspx
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Gentle Jones on August 19, 2018, 03:39:24 PM
Most illegal SLAP user: GJ

KIDS

https://youtu.be/_Z7YLzftVwo (https://youtu.be/_Z7YLzftVwo)
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Shitbag on August 19, 2018, 03:45:24 PM
Is anyone really surprised by this?
This dude has always seemed  like he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: UselessAsshole on August 19, 2018, 03:53:32 PM
The anti vax movement wasn't a thing until a guy called Andrew Wakefield published research linking vax with autism. It later turned out that he lied and manipulated all of his findings, the research was discredited and his medical license was pulled for everything he did. Yet the trend continued, with many people you talk to still claiming this as the reasoning for not properly caring for their kids. It's embarrassing that people are this stupid. Vaccinate your kids.

I believe the study that was actually done had to do with ibs in a small group of autistic children. The study was altogether terrible but they threw a small paragraph in the conclusion that all of the kids were therefore autistic. It's so dumb the impact that it had. Antivaxxers always feel like you're attacking them when you try to educate them. It's really sad.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TheLurper on August 19, 2018, 03:55:12 PM

Well what the hell do you want done? Go call the cops, write an angry letter to his sponsors, do something about it if it bothers you so much.


It should be known Joslin isn't worth listening to about medicine and he doesn't understand science =/= Joslin doesn't deserve a sponsor for being his ability to jump down shit.

I'd certainly argue that Dr. Oz needs to be put in jail for abusing his position as a doctor and selling snake oil to people on the idiot box, but Joslin, TMFK, Betaphen simply need to be refuted.

Finally, I am at a complete loss that the idea that defending peer-reviewed science = "the establishment." Honestly, I don't get it. Maybe someone can explain this to me. Is it that we are supposed to hate the educated? We aren't supposed to believe anything unless it fits within a convenient ideology or it said by an angry guy on Youtube? I am part of "the establishment" because I believe my favorite pro's belief that cellphones are alien technology is fucking dumb and I think Joslin's medical ideas are reckless?

Can you explain what the establishment is so we can decide if I am part of it or not. I've spent the past two decades of my life living the standard existentialist skateboarding lifestyle. I've disavowed the 'burbs, developed a disdain for corporations, I've argued against organized skateboarding many times, I hate seeing "skaters" pursue profit at the cost of the soul of something (Street League/Berrics), etc., but that means nothing, because I am the establishment because I believe in science,  the scientific method, and logic?

In all sincerity and friendliness, please explain to me what "the establishment" is.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shripshrapper on August 19, 2018, 04:25:46 PM

Well what the hell do you want done? Go call the cops, write an angry letter to his sponsors, do something about it if it bothers you so much.


It should be known Joslin isn't worth listening to about medicine and he doesn't understand science =/= Joslin doesn't deserve a sponsor for being his ability to jump down shit.

I'd certainly argue that Dr. Oz needs to be put in jail for abusing his position as a doctor and selling snake oil to people on the idiot box, but Joslin, TMFK, Betaphen simply need to be refuted.

Finally, I am at a complete loss that the idea that defending peer-reviewed science = "the establishment." Honestly, I don't get it. Maybe someone can explain this to me. Is it that we are supposed to hate the educated? We aren't supposed to believe anything unless it fits within a convenient ideology or it said by an angry guy on Youtube? I am part of "the establishment" because I believe my favorite pro's belief that cellphones are alien technology is fucking dumb and I think Joslin's medical ideas are reckless?

Can you explain what the establishment is so we can decide if I am part of it or not. I've spent the past two decades of my life living the standard existentialist skateboarding lifestyle. I've disavowed the 'burbs, developed a disdain for corporations, I've argued against organized skateboarding many times, I hate seeing "skaters" pursue profit at the cost of the soul of something (Street League/Berrics), etc., but that means nothing, because I am the establishment because I believe in science,  the scientific method, and logic?

In all sincerity and friendliness, please explain to me what "the establishment" is.

This is what I don't understand.. Did ANYONE seriously think Joslin (or any other pro for that matter) should be a source for understanding medical science?

And yes. Peer reviewed science, and western medicine in general is the "establishment". You'll always find people that don't trust them.

Now if we could find out what stance Etnies takes on vaccines, then we can start boycotting or whatever it is SLAP wants to happen.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on August 19, 2018, 04:27:09 PM
give me freedom or give me death
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 04:29:23 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)


Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shripshrapper on August 19, 2018, 04:32:57 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Prepare to be lynched, you dirty anti-vaxxer.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 04:38:50 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Prepare to be lynched, you dirty anti-vaxxer.

I've already said sorry to slap. I'm allowed to talk against the grain to some of these "bro scientists"
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: nasalcrilltobackpaddle on August 19, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
What's wrong with natural immunity? Surely the vaccinated will be immune.
Any of you guys actually parents?
I know a guy....
guess what he never vaccinated any if his kids,
and guess what
THEY ALL DIED OF SMALL POX AND POLIO.
actually they are all happy and healthy because the wider vaccinated communities allowed them to prosper.
So to all the parents that took the big pharma blue pill and injected their children with substances they know nothing about or did no research on themselves, and just did it because the good doctor told them so.
Well done have a wink  ;)


Goddammit, how stupid are you?

Here's how natural immunity works:

https://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html

Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: offkilter on August 19, 2018, 04:49:47 PM
I have a genetic liver condition and my immune system doesn't work properly, I get sick easily and for long periods of time. Basically I'm the type of person who could die if I caught measles, so it always calms my nerves to know that people aren't vaccinating their kids.  ;)
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: nasalcrilltobackpaddle on August 19, 2018, 04:59:04 PM
I have two healthy daughters neither of which have been vaccinated. I suppose Joslin came to the same conclusion as my wife and I did that there was no need to rush into preemptively injecting our underdeveloped children with potentially harmful synthetic chemicals. We aren't against modern medicine in fact both of our children were born in hospitals and we have one down the street from our house. If they get sick we can simply take them there to be treated if and when the time comes. If you think logically about many of the vaccinations they are for diseases that our children are not going to be exposed to and if there comes a time they will be exposed we can decide at that point to vaccinate. Obviously I'm not going to judge anyone on their decisions pertaining to their children both those who choose to vaccinate or not to vaccinate have good intentions. I just had this conversation with another parent yesterday in fact and its fascinating how polarized this discussion has come on both sides. I suppose its a testament to where we are as a society today.

The fact of the matter is, it's all about where we are in life at the time the decision has to be made. At the time my eldest daughter was conceived and for that year I was was in the process of drastically changing my lifestyle and diet as a person who has always been overweight my entire life. I had lost 100lbs in the span of 10 months just eating clean and real foods opposed to processed junk and I was and still am 6 years later all about not putting anything synthetic into my body and it changed my life in such a positive way I wanted the same for my family and daughter so thats the perspective I was coming from. I'm not discounting modern medicine whatsoever but I will admit I am apprehensive to trust the pharmaceutical industry. You can flame me and Joslin all you want but the fact is no one really knows whats best, they make the best judgement they can based off their experience. Just as every kid that is vaccinated does not become autistic, unvaccinated kids don't instantly get polio. Those are simply the extremes on both sides.

I spoke to my daughters doctor 2 days ago for her yearly check up and they had 8 shots they "recommended" but even her doctor said the only one she felt would really be beneficial given where we live and my daughters exposure was the measles vaccine. That is pretty telling in itself and any "normal" parent would just get all 8 shots for their kid even though the doctors themselves know that their patients unless they are traveling to a third world country or routinely play in pools of hepatitis laden blood will never be exposed. I told her I would discuss the measles shot with my wife, simple as that.

Where I live in Virginia kids don't have to be vaccinated to be in school but from my experience public school was trash and torture so I don't want to do that to my kids. We have our daughter in Montessori school and she's just fine. I don't home school but Gipper might want to look at the statistics of home school educated children versus public school educated children before he spouts off more bullshit about them being "stupid". I work from home so I'm with my daughters everyday and take them everywhere with me, to the park and to library story time as well as read to both of them every night for at least 30 minutes. When they aren't with us they are in camps and classes with other kids.


Dog, first things first, congrats on losing the weight. But for real, how'd you get so fucking fat in the first place?!

You can pretty reliably call skaters burnouts or morons, but generally not fatties. 

At your biggest what kind of intake are we talking? McDonalds sunrise to sundown?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: newhampster on August 19, 2018, 05:38:41 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 05:46:56 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: newhampster on August 19, 2018, 06:05:20 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks. 
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: TheLurper on August 19, 2018, 06:39:41 PM

This is what I don't understand.. Did ANYONE seriously think Joslin (or any other pro for that matter) should be a source for understanding medical science?

And yes. Peer reviewed science, and western medicine in general is the "establishment". You'll always find people that don't trust them.

TMFK certainly seems to have thought Joslin's disavowal of medicine supports his risky decisions, which is rather scary.

Ok, so reviewed science and medicine are part of "the establishment." This leaves me with a few follow up questions.
1) Who else is part of the establishment? Or, is just just science and medicine?
2) What is the goal of the "establishment"? What is the establishment working towards?
3) Where do those who see through the establishment go for medical treatment? Who can I get the truth from?


Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

"I know this is right!"

"Ok, can you show me how you came to this conclusion, so I can understand as well?"

"Nope. You need to find evidence to support my claim or you just need to believe me."
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 06:46:39 PM

This is what I don't understand.. Did ANYONE seriously think Joslin (or any other pro for that matter) should be a source for understanding medical science?

And yes. Peer reviewed science, and western medicine in general is the "establishment". You'll always find people that don't trust them.

TMFK certainly seems to have thought Joslin's disavowal of medicine supports his risky decisions, which is rather scary.

Ok, so reviewed science and medicine are part of "the establishment." This leaves me with a few follow up questions.
1) Who else is part of the establishment? Or, is just just science and medicine?
2) What is the goal of the "establishment"? What is the establishment working towards?
3) Where do those who see through the establishment go for medical treatment? Who can I get the truth from?


Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

"I know this is right!"

"Ok, can you show me how you came to this conclusion, so I can understand as well?"

"Nope. You need to find evidence to support my claim or you just need to believe me."

Do you think I fuckin saved the research incase a debate broke out on slap 6 years later?

Holy fuckin balls your something special

I'm not here to change your mind. Make YOUR own fuckin decision

Lazy ass motherfucker
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: newhampster on August 19, 2018, 06:49:29 PM

This is what I don't understand.. Did ANYONE seriously think Joslin (or any other pro for that matter) should be a source for understanding medical science?

And yes. Peer reviewed science, and western medicine in general is the "establishment". You'll always find people that don't trust them.

TMFK certainly seems to have thought Joslin's disavowal of medicine supports his risky decisions, which is rather scary.

Ok, so reviewed science and medicine are part of "the establishment." This leaves me with a few follow up questions.
1) Who else is part of the establishment? Or, is just just science and medicine?
2) What is the goal of the "establishment"? What is the establishment working towards?
3) Where do those who see through the establishment go for medical treatment? Who can I get the truth from?


Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

"I know this is right!"

"Ok, can you show me how you came to this conclusion, so I can understand as well?"

"Nope. You need to find evidence to support my claim or you just need to believe me."

Do you think I fuckin saved the research incase a debate broke out on slap 6 years later?

Holy fuckin balls your something special

I'm not here to change your mind. Make YOUR own fuckin decision

Lazy ass motherfucker

Please prove to me that you know what you're talking about.

You can't. Because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: CRAILFISH TO REVERT on August 19, 2018, 06:52:50 PM
I vaccinated my kid, but now that I know the Earth is flat, I wished I didn't.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 06:57:55 PM

This is what I don't understand.. Did ANYONE seriously think Joslin (or any other pro for that matter) should be a source for understanding medical science?

And yes. Peer reviewed science, and western medicine in general is the "establishment". You'll always find people that don't trust them.

TMFK certainly seems to have thought Joslin's disavowal of medicine supports his risky decisions, which is rather scary.

Ok, so reviewed science and medicine are part of "the establishment." This leaves me with a few follow up questions.
1) Who else is part of the establishment? Or, is just just science and medicine?
2) What is the goal of the "establishment"? What is the establishment working towards?
3) Where do those who see through the establishment go for medical treatment? Who can I get the truth from?


Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

"I know this is right!"

"Ok, can you show me how you came to this conclusion, so I can understand as well?"

"Nope. You need to find evidence to support my claim or you just need to believe me."

Do you think I fuckin saved the research incase a debate broke out on slap 6 years later?

Holy fuckin balls your something special

I'm not here to change your mind. Make YOUR own fuckin decision

Lazy ass motherfucker

Please prove to me that you know what you're talking about.

You can't. Because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Really? And you do? Hypocrite

Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: JPeterman on August 19, 2018, 07:38:16 PM
It takes a special kind of person to go against evidence put forth by people who have dedicated their lives to helping others, studying the human body and science, and instead listen to the 'not backed by science' ramblings of another special kind of person.

Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Jeff Groucho on August 19, 2018, 07:44:26 PM
Most illegal SLAP user: GJ

i had a revelation over my cup of coffee this morning that Gentle Jones is the yin to my yang. me being Jeff Groucho. JG and him being GJ. shit had me fucked up. I'm sure some of you are now going to think that I'm one of GJ's burner accounts but i swear on all things holy that I'm not. if i woke up tomorrow morning and looked in the mirror only to discover that I'm a old fat albino dude with a caterpillar mustache who lives in delaware i would swallow my 12 gauge.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 08:26:50 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks.

That's valid, but I said it was years ago. So like you, I'm not avidly reading up on it since it has nothing to do with my current career or even personal interest

Again I didnt save a file so I'm not digging through papers anyone with web can access.

And yes you are correct, all medications have associated risks. Scientifically its unavoidable

It's kinda like most people say cannabis has zero deaths attributed to it. That's a fuckin lie (and for record I now work in cannabis)

Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: I sniff Jim Gagne's butthole all the time on August 19, 2018, 08:36:16 PM
Most illegal SLAP user: GJ

i had a revelation over my cup of coffee this morning that Gentle Jones is the yin to my yang. me being Jeff Groucho. JG and him being GJ. shit had me fucked up. I'm sure some of you are now going to think that I'm one of GJ's burner accounts but i swear on all things holy that I'm not. if i woke up tomorrow morning and looked in the mirror only to discover that I'm a old fat albino dude with a caterpillar mustache who lives in delaware i would swallow my 12 gauge.
post a slappy boardslide
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: newhampster on August 19, 2018, 09:28:44 PM

This is what I don't understand.. Did ANYONE seriously think Joslin (or any other pro for that matter) should be a source for understanding medical science?

And yes. Peer reviewed science, and western medicine in general is the "establishment". You'll always find people that don't trust them.

TMFK certainly seems to have thought Joslin's disavowal of medicine supports his risky decisions, which is rather scary.

Ok, so reviewed science and medicine are part of "the establishment." This leaves me with a few follow up questions.
1) Who else is part of the establishment? Or, is just just science and medicine?
2) What is the goal of the "establishment"? What is the establishment working towards?
3) Where do those who see through the establishment go for medical treatment? Who can I get the truth from?


Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

"I know this is right!"

"Ok, can you show me how you came to this conclusion, so I can understand as well?"

"Nope. You need to find evidence to support my claim or you just need to believe me."

Do you think I fuckin saved the research incase a debate broke out on slap 6 years later?

Holy fuckin balls your something special

I'm not here to change your mind. Make YOUR own fuckin decision

Lazy ass motherfucker

Please prove to me that you know what you're talking about.

You can't. Because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

Really? And you do? Hypocrite

Well, I am still just a student, so no, I'm most definitely not an expert. But I am training to be a general practitioner, and this is largely what my education is about. It's hard to argue with you because you're speaking so broadly, I don't even know where to start. 

You said "the science isn't clear".....but then you say..... "a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them." So again, my first question to you would be which ones are good? MMR? TDAP? Or are those ones bad? If you think they're bad, why? Because my research tells me that those two vaccines, for example, are effective and rarely have adverse side effects (since you're so caught up on adverse reactions, I just want to again remind you that ALL MEDICATIONS HAVE RISKS OF ADVERSE REACTIONS). I'd be happy to link you to the thousands of articles that say so.

The burden of proof is on you; you said you have done the research, so I would like some guidance. You can't expect me to sift through thousands and thousands of articles on various databases to find the couple of obscure article that disputes consensus of the entire scientific community. If you have truly done your due diligence, it shouldn't be so hard to find the research to back up your claims.

A couple other things:

It is the dose that make things toxic; H2O can be toxic if you drink enough water.

Opiods act on neurotransmitters receptors in your brain, vaccines do not. Vaccines stimulate your bodies immune response. I'm not sure what brain "alterations" you're talking about that make opiods are "easier to study" as opposed to vaccines.

Pamphlets for drugs are twelve pages thick because there a lot of potential risks associated with giving vaccines to patients that are immunocompromised or have comorbidities. But that shit has to be laid out in writing, just like your iTunes or Gmail terms of agreement.

 
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Gary Ate My Peanuts on August 19, 2018, 09:35:29 PM
Most illegal SLAP user: GJ

i had a revelation over my cup of coffee this morning that Gentle Jones is the yin to my yang. me being Jeff Groucho. JG and him being GJ. shit had me fucked up. I'm sure some of you are now going to think that I'm one of GJ's burner accounts but i swear on all things holy that I'm not. if i woke up tomorrow morning and looked in the mirror only to discover that I'm a old fat albino dude with a caterpillar mustache who lives in delaware i would swallow my 12 gauge.

Honestly, Jeffy Boy, I've never given a thought about you. GJ does make me want to swallow a 12 gauge though.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: newhampster on August 19, 2018, 09:36:19 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks.

That's valid, but I said it was years ago. So like you, I'm not avidly reading up on it since it has nothing to do with my current career or even personal interest

Again I didnt save a file so I'm not digging through papers anyone with web can access.

And yes you are correct, all medications have associated risks. Scientifically its unavoidable

It's kinda like most people say cannabis has zero deaths attributed to it. That's a fuckin lie (and for record I now work in cannabis)

Oh good lord, why the hell are you even arguing about this then? You are a special kind of stupid.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: reptar_bar on August 19, 2018, 09:54:38 PM
The anti vax movement wasn't a thing until a guy called Andrew Wakefield published research linking vax with autism. It later turned out that he lied and manipulated all of his findings, the research was discredited and his medical license was pulled for everything he did. Yet the trend continued, with many people you talk to still claiming this as the reasoning for not properly caring for their kids. It's embarrassing that people are this stupid. Vaccinate your kids.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 19, 2018, 09:58:30 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks.

That's valid, but I said it was years ago. So like you, I'm not avidly reading up on it since it has nothing to do with my current career or even personal interest

Again I didnt save a file so I'm not digging through papers anyone with web can access.

And yes you are correct, all medications have associated risks. Scientifically its unavoidable

It's kinda like most people say cannabis has zero deaths attributed to it. That's a fuckin lie (and for record I now work in cannabis)

Oh good lord, why the hell are you even arguing about this then? You are a special kind of stupid.

Because the science hasn't changed, dumbass (technically it has changed but the results haven't to a significant degree)

Look it up, fuckwit.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Jeff Groucho on August 19, 2018, 10:48:01 PM
Most illegal SLAP user: GJ

i had a revelation over my cup of coffee this morning that Gentle Jones is the yin to my yang. me being Jeff Groucho. JG and him being GJ. shit had me fucked up. I'm sure some of you are now going to think that I'm one of GJ's burner accounts but i swear on all things holy that I'm not. if i woke up tomorrow morning and looked in the mirror only to discover that I'm a old fat albino dude with a caterpillar mustache who lives in delaware i would swallow my 12 gauge.

Honestly, Jeffy Boy, I've never given a thought about you. GJ does make me want to swallow a 12 gauge though.

its good to know im not the only one out here fighting the good fight my friend. the battle of the hoeboy rages on. may god be with you. also, i fux with you.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shripshrapper on August 19, 2018, 10:55:10 PM
Hoeboys and anti-vaxxers, what has this world come to..
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Atiba Applebum on August 19, 2018, 11:51:12 PM
These Measles Kill Fascists







http://youtu.be/7VG_s2PCH_c
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: KoRnholio8 on August 20, 2018, 12:03:45 AM
I would love to make jokes about anti-vaxxers all day long, but the movement has gained too much traction - preventable diseases are on the rise world-wide and this is no laughing matter.

Joslin, get your fucking head out of your ass. Doctors dedicate their whole lives to studying the human body and they know more about it than you. I hope you get some your doctor prescribes you some herbal tea when the inevitable bone/acl snap occurs and let your natural healing process do all the repairs.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Jeff Groucho on August 20, 2018, 12:21:29 AM
These Measles Kill Fascists







http://youtu.be/7VG_s2PCH_c

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: jomeara1 on August 20, 2018, 03:20:02 AM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks.

That's valid, but I said it was years ago. So like you, I'm not avidly reading up on it since it has nothing to do with my current career or even personal interest

Again I didnt save a file so I'm not digging through papers anyone with web can access.

And yes you are correct, all medications have associated risks. Scientifically its unavoidable

It's kinda like most people say cannabis has zero deaths attributed to it. That's a fuckin lie (and for record I now work in cannabis)

Based off of what evidence?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 20, 2018, 03:33:20 AM

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

Oh that's OK then. Anecdotal evidence....that's good enough for me. I'm convinced.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Atiba Applebum on August 20, 2018, 03:34:26 AM

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

Oh that's OK then. Anecdotal evidence....that's good enough for me. I'm convinced.

That nonsense didnít come from me
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 20, 2018, 03:48:00 AM

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

Oh that's OK then. Anecdotal evidence....that's good enough for me. I'm convinced.

That nonsense didnít come from me

Sorry. Trying to edit multiple quotes on the fly on my phone doesn't work.

Just like hoping for the best against preventable diseases.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Dorje Drolo on August 20, 2018, 07:26:16 AM
These Measles Kill Fascists







http://youtu.be/7VG_s2PCH_c

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

Still breaks my heart George Carlin is no longer on this earth. His stand up is more relevant now than ever.

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate is your choice as a parent. This is a free country although George Orwell's 1984 is slowly becoming a reality.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Manolo on August 20, 2018, 07:40:57 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

Still breaks my heart George Carlin is no longer on this earth. His stand up is more relevant now than ever.


Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: essal on August 20, 2018, 07:45:44 AM
why the fuck should random people be allowed to "make up their own opinion" when it comes to vaccines? 99,9% doesn't have any professional weight when it comes to vaccines- and joslin sure as fuck isn't a guy who should even be allowed to talk on the subject of vaccines.

you know who does? the CDC, WHO and other similar government entities. sure, there is a risk of side effects, but A) every drug has a chance of side effects and B) the things you vaccinate against are way fucking worse than the side effects (which is why the vaccines are allowed in the first place). maybe your baby will catch measles and be fine, but your baby all of a sudden turned into patient zero and infects every kid in your retarded non-vaccinated neighborhood who all ended up dying because you decided to be your own fucking medical professional...
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shit_for_brains on August 20, 2018, 07:47:39 AM
Hi i'm functionally illiterate but check out my medical research uhhhwoops my kids died
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: GAY on August 20, 2018, 07:50:47 AM
Im so grateful I can't get pregnant or get anybody I fuck pregnant. Thank you Universe.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Mouth on August 20, 2018, 07:52:53 AM
The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ďmy ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.Ē ☛ Newsweek: ďA Cult of IgnoranceĒ by Isaac Asimov, January 21, 1980
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Abyss1 on August 20, 2018, 08:03:51 AM
why the fuck should random people be allowed to "make up their own opinion" when it comes to vaccines? 99,9% doesn't have any professional weight when it comes to vaccines- and joslin sure as fuck isn't a guy who should even be allowed to talk on the subject of vaccines.

you know who does? the CDC, WHO and other similar government entities. sure, there is a risk of side effects, but A) every drug has a chance of side effects and B) the things you vaccinate against are way fucking worse than the side effects (which is why the vaccines are allowed in the first place). maybe your baby will catch measles and be fine, but your baby all of a sudden turned into patient zero and infects every kid in your retarded non-vaccinated neighborhood who all ended up dying because you decided to be your own fucking medical professional...

The whole shit is out of control, what kills me is people who come to work when they are sick, and announce it to people...and having a limit of sick days wtf kind of shit... like hey body we can only get sick 5 times this year ::)
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: gollum mcjinglemeballs on August 20, 2018, 08:26:56 AM
These Measles Kill Fascists







http://youtu.be/7VG_s2PCH_c

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

Still breaks my heart George Carlin is no longer on this earth. His stand up is more relevant now than ever.

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate is your choice as a parent. This is a free country although George Orwell's 1984 is slowly becoming a reality.


lol.....thinks America is a free country
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: headtowall on August 20, 2018, 08:32:16 AM
Not vaccinating your kid should be considered child abuse
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: HotnSpicyMcChicken on August 20, 2018, 08:38:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

Still breaks my heart George Carlin is no longer on this earth. His stand up is more relevant now than ever.


Don't get me wrong I think Carlin was great, but wow this bit is stupid as shit.

The logic simply isn't there. Dude equates the n word to the term "honky" lmao.

Literally each of those words he said were "harmless" on their own were specifically designed to dehumanize and perpetuate systemic violence against the groups the words were being used to describe.

Black people saying the n-word is a reclamation of power over a word used to bring violence against them for centuries.

Huge swing and a miss unless you're easily persuaded by faulty logic.

Sorry for derailing, back to Joslin's family getting the measles.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Jeff Groucho on August 20, 2018, 08:40:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

Still breaks my heart George Carlin is no longer on this earth. His stand up is more relevant now than ever.


ya now we got guys like john oliver and pete holmes. we can thank the hoeification of america for this. thank you hoeboys.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: The Dope on August 20, 2018, 08:58:01 AM
This vaccine shit is a business, you are ignorant as fuck if you are an anti-vaxxer and you are still ignorant to give your child 8 vaccines in 1 day.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: newhampster on August 20, 2018, 09:13:05 AM
This vaccine shit is a business, you are ignorant as fuck if you are an anti-vaxxer and you are still ignorant to give your child 8 vaccines in 1 day.

Could you please elaborate?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: SodaJerk on August 20, 2018, 09:13:52 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

Still breaks my heart George Carlin is no longer on this earth. His stand up is more relevant now than ever.


Don't get me wrong I think Carlin was great, but wow this bit is stupid as shit.

The logic simply isn't there. Dude equates the n word to the term "honky" lmao.

Literally each of those words he said were "harmless" on their own were specifically designed to dehumanize and perpetuate systemic violence against the groups the words were being used to describe.

Black people saying the n-word is a reclamation of power over a word used to bring violence against them for centuries.

Huge swing and a miss unless you're easily persuaded by faulty logic.

Sorry for derailing, back to Joslin's family getting the measles.
You know he was a comedian and entertainer right? He wasn't responsible for writing legislation, just making people laugh.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: The Dope on August 20, 2018, 09:37:40 AM
This vaccine shit is a business, you are ignorant as fuck if you are an anti-vaxxer and you are still ignorant to give your child 8 vaccines in 1 day.

Could you please elaborate?


What is this, a facebook comment section?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 20, 2018, 09:45:09 AM
This vaccine shit is a business, you are ignorant as fuck if you are an anti-vaxxer and you are still ignorant to give your child 8 vaccines in 1 day.

"Smallpox vaccine dispensers DON'T want you to know this ONE easy trick"
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: newhampster on August 20, 2018, 09:51:14 AM
This vaccine shit is a business, you are ignorant as fuck if you are an anti-vaxxer and you are still ignorant to give your child 8 vaccines in 1 day.

Could you please elaborate?


What is this, a facebook comment section?

Why is it ignorant to follow a doctor recommended vaccination schedule? Back up your claims, dipshit.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Robert Baratheon on August 20, 2018, 10:00:27 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45246049
.
Cases of measles in Europe have hit a record high, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

More than 41,000 people have been infected in the first six months of 2018, leading to 37 deaths.

Last year there were 23,927 cases and the year before 5,273. Experts blame this surge in infections on a drop in the number of people being vaccinated.

In England, there have been 807 cases so far this year. The WHO is calling on European countries to take action.

Public Health England say the outbreaks in England are largely due to people who have travelled to areas of mainland Europe that have had outbreaks.

Measles is highly infectious and spreads by droplets in coughs and sneezes.

The infection lasts seven to 10 days. But while most people recover completely, it can cause some serious complications, including:

encephalitis (infection and swelling of the brain)
meningitis
febrile convulsions
pneumonia
liver infection (hepatitis)
The MMR vaccine can prevent infection but discredited research 20 years ago that erroneously linked MMR to autism has stopped some people from trusting the vaccine.

The NHS recommends all children receive the MMR around their first birthday and then just before starting school.

Ukraine and Serbia are among the countries with the highest rates in Europe.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: The Dope on August 20, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
This vaccine shit is a business, you are ignorant as fuck if you are an anti-vaxxer and you are still ignorant to give your child 8 vaccines in 1 day.

Could you please elaborate?


What is this, a facebook comment section?

Why is it ignorant to follow a doctor recommended vaccination schedule? Back up your claims, dipshit.

Lmao why u so emotional :'( it's a subjective opinion. Google exists if have questions.. discover the vast knowledge of perspectives for yourself and come up with your own conclusion instead of playing dumb on slap lol
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: DCLOVE on August 20, 2018, 10:12:38 AM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks.

That's valid, but I said it was years ago. So like you, I'm not avidly reading up on it since it has nothing to do with my current career or even personal interest

Again I didnt save a file so I'm not digging through papers anyone with web can access.

And yes you are correct, all medications have associated risks. Scientifically its unavoidable

It's kinda like most people say cannabis has zero deaths attributed to it. That's a fuckin lie (and for record I now work in cannabis)

Based off of what evidence?

Iím gonna assume the lung cancer angle as nothing else in cannabis would really hurt you aside from the obvious bad things about breathing in smoke.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: CRAILFISH TO REVERT on August 20, 2018, 10:15:50 AM
vaccinations are just a government conspiracy to keep deadly contagious diseases from rapidly spreading.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Pigeon on August 20, 2018, 10:17:06 AM
Not vaccinating your kids is the new drunk driving.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: oyolar on August 20, 2018, 10:23:39 AM
This vaccine shit is a business, you are ignorant as fuck if you are an anti-vaxxer and you are still ignorant to give your child 8 vaccines in 1 day.

Could you please elaborate?


What is this, a facebook comment section?

Why is it ignorant to follow a doctor recommended vaccination schedule? Back up your claims, dipshit.

Lmao why u so emotional :'( it's a subjective opinion. Google exists if have questions.. discover the vast knowledge of perspectives for yourself and come up with your own conclusion instead of playing dumb on slap lol

You're right - Google does exist so it should not be a problem for you to provide evidence why one shouldn't follow a widely recommended inoculation course.

One of the reasons people get so pissed about parents not vaccinating their children voluntarily is because it unnecessarily puts people who can't get vaccinated at a huge risk. As someone posted in here, their wife has a compromised immune system so unvaccinated children pose a risk for her. My sister is a radiation therapist and has worked with children and adults who can't get vaccinations because of their treatment or who are vaccinated but are much more susceptible to infections that can lead to major complications because immune systems are majorly impacted when fighting cancer. Not vaccinating healthy children means that these other people are at risk for infection and illnesses that can then rapidly progress or cause severe damage because of their other health issues. So in a vacuum, it's easy to say "it's their kids, they can do what they want and will suffer the consequences."  But the reality is, their ignorance and shitty actions can and do harm other people and that's why they should be ridiculed and in some cases punished (and all of that is ignoring the fact that generally the parents are vaccinated and so they're risking forcing their kids to suffer through an illness).
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Abyss1 on August 20, 2018, 10:57:18 AM
^word ...I got sick this weekend and im pretty sure it was from one of the kids I teach. I keep a healthy system but these gromits be housing superbugs
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: GAY on August 20, 2018, 11:10:44 AM
Children are disgusting disease factories. There I said it.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Baron Samedi on August 20, 2018, 11:23:31 AM
woke up woke today, did we?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 20, 2018, 11:24:46 AM
A timely article:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/20/low-mmr-uptake-blamed-for-surge-in-measles-cases-across-europe
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: The Dope on August 20, 2018, 11:34:08 AM
This vaccine shit is a business, you are ignorant as fuck if you are an anti-vaxxer and you are still ignorant to give your child 8 vaccines in 1 day.

Could you please elaborate?


What is this, a facebook comment section?

Why is it ignorant to follow a doctor recommended vaccination schedule? Back up your claims, dipshit.

Lmao why u so emotional :'( it's a subjective opinion. Google exists if have questions.. discover the vast knowledge of perspectives for yourself and come up with your own conclusion instead of playing dumb on slap lol

You're right - Google does exist so it should not be a problem for you to provide evidence why one shouldn't follow a widely recommended inoculation course.

One of the reasons people get so pissed about parents not vaccinating their children voluntarily is because it unnecessarily puts people who can't get vaccinated at a huge risk. As someone posted in here, their wife has a compromised immune system so unvaccinated children pose a risk for her. My sister is a radiation therapist and has worked with children and adults who can't get vaccinations because of their treatment or who are vaccinated but are much more susceptible to infections that can lead to major complications because immune systems are majorly impacted when fighting cancer. Not vaccinating healthy children means that these other people are at risk for infection and illnesses that can then rapidly progress or cause severe damage because of their other health issues. So in a vacuum, it's easy to say "it's their kids, they can do what they want and will suffer the consequences."  But the reality is, their ignorance and shitty actions can and do harm other people and that's why they should be ridiculed and in some cases punished (and all of that is ignoring the fact that generally the parents are vaccinated and so they're risking forcing their kids to suffer through an illness).

Did I not say anti vaxxers are ignorant as fuck or you just gunna be dumb too and react off your emotions on the internet
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Alan on August 20, 2018, 11:35:56 AM
Wow, you're getting super worked up.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Baron Samedi on August 20, 2018, 11:38:56 AM
Wow, you're super woked up.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: jomeara1 on August 20, 2018, 11:41:35 AM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks.

That's valid, but I said it was years ago. So like you, I'm not avidly reading up on it since it has nothing to do with my current career or even personal interest

Again I didnt save a file so I'm not digging through papers anyone with web can access.

And yes you are correct, all medications have associated risks. Scientifically its unavoidable

It's kinda like most people say cannabis has zero deaths attributed to it. That's a fuckin lie (and for record I now work in cannabis)

Based off of what evidence?

Iím gonna assume the lung cancer angle as nothing else in cannabis would really hurt you aside from the obvious bad things about breathing in smoke.

I can see why people would think that, but I never heard/read anything about anyone getting cancer JUST from cannibus though.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Sleazy on August 20, 2018, 11:53:51 AM
These Measles Kill Fascists







http://youtu.be/7VG_s2PCH_c

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

what's wrong with a john oliver clip. did you watch it? he makes some good points including one about how it's not about how's it's not just about the individual.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Big Skatefase on August 20, 2018, 12:13:44 PM
i'm surprised he leaves the house to go out and skate with all the chemtrails in the sky.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: h00man on August 20, 2018, 12:48:44 PM
I feel bad for the children of anti vaxxers. I don't/won't feel bad for anti vaxxers when their child gets/dies from a preventable disease that could have easily been cured with vaccines.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 20, 2018, 12:51:06 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks.

That's valid, but I said it was years ago. So like you, I'm not avidly reading up on it since it has nothing to do with my current career or even personal interest

Again I didnt save a file so I'm not digging through papers anyone with web can access.

And yes you are correct, all medications have associated risks. Scientifically its unavoidable

It's kinda like most people say cannabis has zero deaths attributed to it. That's a fuckin lie (and for record I now work in cannabis)

Based off of what evidence?

Iím gonna assume the lung cancer angle as nothing else in cannabis would really hurt you aside from the obvious bad things about breathing in smoke.

I said attribute, not, directly caused.

There is a big difference

But....cannabis, more specifically CBD can kill people that take certain medications that use cyp450 enzyme to metabolize. So if your meds list interactions with grapefruit, the same applies to CBD and ide suggest only using it under Dr. Supervision
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on August 20, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
why the fuck should random people be allowed to "make up their own opinion" when it comes to vaccines? 99,9% doesn't have any professional weight when it comes to vaccines- and joslin sure as fuck isn't a guy who should even be allowed to talk on the subject of vaccines.

you know who does? the CDC, WHO and other similar government entities. sure, there is a risk of side effects, but A) every drug has a chance of side effects and B) the things you vaccinate against are way fucking worse than the side effects (which is why the vaccines are allowed in the first place). maybe your baby will catch measles and be fine, but your baby all of a sudden turned into patient zero and infects every kid in your retarded non-vaccinated neighborhood who all ended up dying because you decided to be your own fucking medical professional...
  So your equating the right to chose for yours or your childs body what corpo vaccines they're injected with to  "parents being allowed to "make up their own opinion" "?  -I'd say a little more than 'opinion' (maybe basic human rights?) is involved but admiting that wouldn't help your argument. 
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: I sniff Jim Gagne's butthole all the time on August 20, 2018, 12:53:13 PM
I feel bad for the children of anti vaxxers. I don't/won't feel bad for anti vaxxers when their child gets/dies from a preventable disease that could have easily been cured with vaccines.
haaard!
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: jomeara1 on August 20, 2018, 03:08:15 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks.

That's valid, but I said it was years ago. So like you, I'm not avidly reading up on it since it has nothing to do with my current career or even personal interest

Again I didnt save a file so I'm not digging through papers anyone with web can access.

And yes you are correct, all medications have associated risks. Scientifically its unavoidable

It's kinda like most people say cannabis has zero deaths attributed to it. That's a fuckin lie (and for record I now work in cannabis)

Based off of what evidence?

Iím gonna assume the lung cancer angle as nothing else in cannabis would really hurt you aside from the obvious bad things about breathing in smoke.

I said attribute, not, directly caused.

There is a big difference

But....cannabis, more specifically CBD can kill people that take certain medications that use cyp450 enzyme to metabolize. So if your meds list interactions with grapefruit, the same applies to CBD and ide suggest only using it under Dr. Supervision

Interesting. I never tried CBD before actually.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Jeff Groucho on August 20, 2018, 03:28:26 PM
These Measles Kill Fascists







http://youtu.be/7VG_s2PCH_c

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

what's wrong with a john oliver clip. did you watch it? he makes some good points including one about how it's not about how's it's not just about the individual.


john oliver is one of the worst comedians in modern day entertainment hired by the hoeboy regime to turn the youth of today into hoemosapiens. he's terribly unfunny, he's soft as fuck, he trys way too hard and last but not least he's from england. the only englishmen i fux with are noel fielding and julian barratt. those two wankers are funny as fuck.
and fuck no i didn't watch it
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Abyss1 on August 20, 2018, 03:56:37 PM
That's the thing, the science isn't clear

And it's very hard to study a drug that involves years worth of variables.

It also doesnt help that many of the ingredients used in vaccines are in of themselves toxic.

Myself, I believe a few vaccines are very good and should definitely be taken, but I'm also not going to say you HAVE TO use them.

See it's easier to study, say opiod dependance because the drugs act quick, the brain alterations are quickly observed physically and through MRIs etc.

Again many respected scientist do not back all vaccinations. Same with well respected Drs.

Hell, even the pamphlets that the drugs come with are ripe full of potential side effects and it's so much that the font in almost impossible to read, it's on super then paper and written in 4 different directions just to fit it on there. It has to be folded twenty times to read it

And science is science, its ALWAYS debatable because the procedures used and controls cause so many variables.

Gipper saying kids should be removed by the state if not vaccinated is crazy. What fuckin world should that happen in? Yeah shit like that worked real well for millions of indigenous north Americans

What a crazy topic

All the studies are on pubmed(for the most part). Many are great, many are horrible. And studies are skewed often, which only makes things harder for people to make informed decisions (like researching the researcher of the published paper often lean leads to the scientist employed by a vaccine producer, that's conflict of interest)

Lol. Okay doc, please enlighten us - which vaccines should I give my kids and which should I avoid?

A quick search on PubMed of "vaccination efficacy and risk" gave me 4070 results. I'd love to know which studies you are referring to. Please be specific.

Lol, do research.  It's there for anyone to read

I'm not your family practitioner

Lol. I'm just asking for you to cite a couple sources. I do plenty of research on the scholarly databases in graduate school, but to be fair, I'm not often looking for articles that refute vaccine efficacy. You seem to know what you're talking about, so I'd love to know some of your sources and how you have vetted them. And with regards to risks - literally ALL medications have some associated risks.

That's valid, but I said it was years ago. So like you, I'm not avidly reading up on it since it has nothing to do with my current career or even personal interest

Again I didnt save a file so I'm not digging through papers anyone with web can access.

And yes you are correct, all medications have associated risks. Scientifically its unavoidable

It's kinda like most people say cannabis has zero deaths attributed to it. That's a fuckin lie (and for record I now work in cannabis)

Based off of what evidence?

Iím gonna assume the lung cancer angle as nothing else in cannabis would really hurt you aside from the obvious bad things about breathing in smoke.

I said attribute, not, directly caused.

There is a big difference

But....cannabis, more specifically CBD can kill people that take certain medications that use cyp450 enzyme to metabolize. So if your meds list interactions with grapefruit, the same applies to CBD and ide suggest only using it under Dr. Supervision

Interesting. I never tried CBD before actually.

I fucks with it all the time, I swear by these CBD /THC 15:1 capsuls...all the effects without the "high"... also its impossible to get 100% CBD, there is always some level of THC in most CBD products...so some people will feel high on CBDs
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: gollum mcjinglemeballs on August 20, 2018, 03:57:26 PM

Interesting. I never tried CBD before actually.
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It's in every cannabis plant, just in different amounts and nobody has died from it.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Baron Samedi on August 20, 2018, 04:00:14 PM
i fuck with cbd every day and i'm so not dead it's not even funny
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Betaphenylethylalamine on August 20, 2018, 04:02:56 PM
Cbd is incredibly safe but yes, it has serious interactions especially with blood pressure meds.

I never said CBD killed anyone

Interactions can
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: jomeara1 on August 20, 2018, 04:13:58 PM

Interesting. I never tried CBD before actually.

It's in every cannabis plant, just in different amounts and nobody has died from it.
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Ah I gotcha. I never got heavy into smoking weed so I donít know too much about all that stuff. 
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: oyolar on August 20, 2018, 04:38:48 PM
This vaccine shit is a business, you are ignorant as fuck if you are an anti-vaxxer and you are still ignorant to give your child 8 vaccines in 1 day.

Could you please elaborate?


What is this, a facebook comment section?

Why is it ignorant to follow a doctor recommended vaccination schedule? Back up your claims, dipshit.

Lmao why u so emotional :'( it's a subjective opinion. Google exists if have questions.. discover the vast knowledge of perspectives for yourself and come up with your own conclusion instead of playing dumb on slap lol

You're right - Google does exist so it should not be a problem for you to provide evidence why one shouldn't follow a widely recommended inoculation course.

One of the reasons people get so pissed about parents not vaccinating their children voluntarily is because it unnecessarily puts people who can't get vaccinated at a huge risk. As someone posted in here, their wife has a compromised immune system so unvaccinated children pose a risk for her. My sister is a radiation therapist and has worked with children and adults who can't get vaccinations because of their treatment or who are vaccinated but are much more susceptible to infections that can lead to major complications because immune systems are majorly impacted when fighting cancer. Not vaccinating healthy children means that these other people are at risk for infection and illnesses that can then rapidly progress or cause severe damage because of their other health issues. So in a vacuum, it's easy to say "it's their kids, they can do what they want and will suffer the consequences."  But the reality is, their ignorance and shitty actions can and do harm other people and that's why they should be ridiculed and in some cases punished (and all of that is ignoring the fact that generally the parents are vaccinated and so they're risking forcing their kids to suffer through an illness).

Did I not say anti vaxxers are ignorant as fuck or you just gunna be dumb too and react off your emotions on the internet

Damn dude - like Alan said, sounds like you're reacting off your emotions on the internet pretty hard.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: drunkenshredder on August 20, 2018, 04:42:15 PM
Thought i was on slap and not TMZ...really still talking about this dudes family?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: sharkjumper on August 20, 2018, 04:59:05 PM
This is an interesting article on why the anti-vaccination still gains traction.

https://aeon.co/essays/anti-vaccination-might-be-rational-but-is-it-reasonable

A few good quotes:

"If two groups donít agree on what the argument is about, then public debates become basically futile, no matter how many times you have them."

"In multiple surveys, Goldenberg found parents who were perfectly happy to believe that the MMR vaccine was generally safe, even as they decided they wouldnít be vaccinating their kid. They worried about their own specific childís sleep patterns, their childís family medical history, their childís recent illnesses Ė and they found, in those things, reasons why they didnít believe the MMR vaccine was safe for their child.
ĎThe conflict isnít about science,í Goldenberg says. ĎItís a conflict about much deeper values, and the science serves as placeholders for arguing out value disputes.í"

"Scientists try to fight with facts, assuming the public just doesnít know whatís going on. When that doesnít work, vaccine rejection gets attributed to people being Ďanti-scienceí. Meanwhile, the public gets angrier because itís not being listened to. Vaccine hesitancy continues to rise because the public sees experts inundating them with numbers and refusing to answer the real questions."
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: rapscallion on August 20, 2018, 05:37:25 PM
Jenkem put the screenshot on their story about an hour ago. Will be interesting to see if anyone else picks it up or what kind of reaction we will see now.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: h00man on August 20, 2018, 05:55:15 PM
Hopefully this gets exposed and Joslin and his idiot wife get their child taken away.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: ChronicBluntSlider on August 20, 2018, 06:47:22 PM
Could def see them having 10 more kids and home schooling them to believe that the earth is flat
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: MASTiF on August 20, 2018, 09:48:03 PM
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
Slap lately is a dumpster fire
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Piri-piri on August 21, 2018, 12:11:33 AM
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
Slap lately is a dumpster fire
Because some people think it's OK to treat their kids worse than I treat my cats?

Agreed.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: electromagnetic radiation on August 21, 2018, 12:57:39 AM
I'm shocked how some of you hope parents get their child taken away from them for not being vaccinated. I'm sorry but you guys are ridicoulus for thinking that would be better for the Child. Not thinking twice what that does to a child. Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Baron Samedi on August 21, 2018, 01:21:45 AM
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
Slap lately is a dumpster fire
Because some people think it's OK to treat their kids worse than I treat my cats?

Agreed.
my children have access to the finest kibble i'll have you know
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: KoRnholio8 on August 21, 2018, 01:22:49 AM
I'm shocked how some of you hope parents get their child taken away from them for not being vaccinated. I'm sorry but you guys are ridicoulus for thinking that would be better for the Child. Not thinking twice what that does to a child. Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.

Stop spreading lies on the internet, you twat. Vaccines save lives you dipship and any doctor will tell you the same. Side effects are a normal calculated risk for any procedure, so you might as well stop seeing doctors for anything that is ever wrong with you.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Atiba Applebum on August 21, 2018, 01:43:21 AM
These Measles Kill Fascists







http://youtu.be/7VG_s2PCH_c

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

what's wrong with a john oliver clip. did you watch it? he makes some good points including one about how it's not about how's it's not just about the individual.


john oliver is one of the worst comedians in modern day entertainment hired by the hoeboy regime to turn the youth of today into hoemosapiens. he's terribly unfunny, he's soft as fuck, he trys way too hard and last but not least he's from england. the only englishmen i fux with are noel fielding and julian barratt. those two wankers are funny as fuck.
and fuck no i didn't watch it

Is that you, Clem Fandango?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: electromagnetic radiation on August 21, 2018, 02:21:22 AM
I'm shocked how some of you hope parents get their child taken away from them for not being vaccinated. I'm sorry but you guys are ridicoulus for thinking that would be better for the Child. Not thinking twice what that does to a child. Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.

Stop spreading lies on the internet, you twat. Vaccines save lives you dipship and any doctor will tell you the same. Side effects are a normal calculated risk for any procedure, so you might as well stop seeing doctors for anything that is ever wrong with you.

I'm speaking out of my own experience. My doctor does exactly that and I've heard the same Thing from other People around me. Luckily we can still decide ourselves. There is nothing wrong with going to the doctor if you have something but if he gives you a drug for every Problem you come up with you should question that for sure.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: essal on August 21, 2018, 02:27:21 AM
Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.
there are a more doctors that will tell you that not vaccinating your kids is a bigger risk than vaccinating. and just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you have a grasp on deceases. look at the ECDC recommendations to see what doctors in the EU with knowledge about deceases and vaccines mean.

and those doctors you talk about are the cause why europe have had measles outbreaks lately. the numbers are at an all time high since the MMR vaccine came around, because idiots don'y vaccinate their kids.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: KoRnholio8 on August 21, 2018, 02:36:49 AM
I'm shocked how some of you hope parents get their child taken away from them for not being vaccinated. I'm sorry but you guys are ridicoulus for thinking that would be better for the Child. Not thinking twice what that does to a child. Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.

Stop spreading lies on the internet, you twat. Vaccines save lives you dipship and any doctor will tell you the same. Side effects are a normal calculated risk for any procedure, so you might as well stop seeing doctors for anything that is ever wrong with you.

I'm speaking out of my own experience. My doctor does exactly that and I've heard the same Thing from other People around me. Luckily we can still decide ourselves. There is nothing wrong with going to the doctor if you have something but if he gives you a drug for every Problem you come up with you should question that for sure.

Oh, right - your doctor could prescribe you a lifestyle change for all the preventable diseases - live in a fucking bubble. Of course most drugs only cure symptoms, but being as the symptoms here include dying, you should take that fucking medicine (it is not reversible, you know).

I also hope some antivax parents get charged with homicide when their kids infect a immune-compromised kid.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: behavioralguide on August 21, 2018, 02:40:24 AM
I'm shocked how some of you hope parents get their child taken away from them for not being vaccinated. I'm sorry but you guys are ridicoulus for thinking that would be better for the Child. Not thinking twice what that does to a child. Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.

its good to know you went to see alot of docters all over europe about this question...
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: sms_b on August 21, 2018, 03:13:09 AM
It's funny because I've seen a lot of the district maps, cause I've got a thing for nurses in general but that's beside the point. The rich and affluent are the people who are driving down the vaccination rate. If you're up in Canada, for example, it's the poor and immigrant communities that hold near 100% vaccination rates. The higher the income bracket, the lower the percentage.

Also, pray polio doesn't decide to mutate and make a come-back. Oh wait, it was eradicated in North America because of a strict vaccination program.

Anti-Nazi Alex Jones reader approved.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: theknifesong on August 21, 2018, 03:36:24 AM
I'm shocked how some of you hope parents get their child taken away from them for not being vaccinated. I'm sorry but you guys are ridicoulus for thinking that would be better for the Child. Not thinking twice what that does to a child. Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.

Stop spreading lies on the internet, you twat. Vaccines save lives you dipship and any doctor will tell you the same. Side effects are a normal calculated risk for any procedure, so you might as well stop seeing doctors for anything that is ever wrong with you.

I'm speaking out of my own experience. My doctor does exactly that and I've heard the same Thing from other People around me. Luckily we can still decide ourselves. There is nothing wrong with going to the doctor if you have something but if he gives you a drug for every Problem you come up with you should question that for sure.

Dude, change your doctor.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: electromagnetic radiation on August 21, 2018, 03:43:41 AM
Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.
there are a more doctors that will tell you that not vaccinating your kids is a bigger risk than vaccinating. and just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you have a grasp on deceases. look at the ECDC recommendations to see what doctors in the EU with knowledge about deceases and vaccines mean.

and those doctors you talk about are the cause why europe have had measles outbreaks lately. the numbers are at an all time high since the MMR vaccine came around, because idiots don'y vaccinate their kids.
I agree that there are alot more doctors that will tell you otherwise, I was just adressing a Statement that you shouldn't talk about it if you have no knowledge of medicine. The whole Thing is a buisness, there have been Mayor cases of measles "death" that turned out to be caused by something else or even caused by a vaccine so the People would run to the doctors and get their vaccines. Also interesting that the measles "outbreak" started while the countries were sitting on a overproduction of measles vaccines.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: theknifesong on August 21, 2018, 04:03:36 AM
Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.
there are a more doctors that will tell you that not vaccinating your kids is a bigger risk than vaccinating. and just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you have a grasp on deceases. look at the ECDC recommendations to see what doctors in the EU with knowledge about deceases and vaccines mean.

and those doctors you talk about are the cause why europe have had measles outbreaks lately. the numbers are at an all time high since the MMR vaccine came around, because idiots don'y vaccinate their kids.
I agree that there are alot more doctors that will tell you otherwise, I was just adressing a Statement that you shouldn't talk about it if you have no knowledge of medicine. The whole Thing is a buisness, there have been Mayor cases of measles "death" that turned out to be caused by something else or even caused by a vaccine so the People would run to the doctors and get their vaccines. Also interesting that the measles "outbreak" started while the countries were sitting on a overproduction of measles vaccines.

So how come vaccination were 'the thing' in USSR since 1957? Just a reminder that "business" were not 'the thing' until late 80's in Russia.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: electromagnetic radiation on August 21, 2018, 04:41:39 AM
I'm shocked how some of you hope parents get their child taken away from them for not being vaccinated. I'm sorry but you guys are ridicoulus for thinking that would be better for the Child. Not thinking twice what that does to a child. Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.

its good to know you went to see alot of docters all over europe about this question...
the "alot" of doctors is in relation to America as in "more", I'm Aware that it's alot less then doctors that tell you differently. But I've talked  to doctors off Duty that I know privatly and some we're telling me that they know that the risk is much higher then they make us believe. I do have friends in different parts of europe that made experiences like this but not everywhere. It also depends if you live in the EU or not. My Country is not part of the European Union.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Alan on August 21, 2018, 04:50:05 AM
So are you from Serbia or Ukraine? Because that would explain your dumbass opinion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45246049

Ukraine and Serbia are among the countries with the highest rates in Europe.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: SHIREFLIP on August 21, 2018, 04:52:33 AM
These Measles Kill Fascists







http://youtu.be/7VG_s2PCH_c

yo you did not just post a fucking jon oliver bit. here lemme put you on my guy. but on the subject at hand. i was not vaccinated as a child and i turned out fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY

what's wrong with a john oliver clip. did you watch it? he makes some good points including one about how it's not about how's it's not just about the individual.


john oliver is one of the worst comedians in modern day entertainment hired by the hoeboy regime to turn the youth of today into hoemosapiens. he's terribly unfunny, he's soft as fuck, he trys way too hard and last but not least he's from england. the only englishmen i fux with are noel fielding and julian barratt. those two wankers are funny as fuck.
and fuck no i didn't watch it

Is that you, Clem Fandango?

Yes, I can hear you, Clem Fandango.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: electromagnetic radiation on August 21, 2018, 04:58:09 AM
Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.
there are a more doctors that will tell you that not vaccinating your kids is a bigger risk than vaccinating. and just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you have a grasp on deceases. look at the ECDC recommendations to see what doctors in the EU with knowledge about deceases and vaccines mean.

and those doctors you talk about are the cause why europe have had measles outbreaks lately. the numbers are at an all time high since the MMR vaccine came around, because idiots don'y vaccinate their kids.
I agree that there are alot more doctors that will tell you otherwise, I was just adressing a Statement that you shouldn't talk about it if you have no knowledge of medicine. The whole Thing is a buisness, there have been Mayor cases of measles "death" that turned out to be caused by something else or even caused by a vaccine so the People would run to the doctors and get their vaccines. Also interesting that the measles "outbreak" started while the countries were sitting on a overproduction of measles vaccines.

So how come vaccination were 'the thing' in USSR since 1957? Just a reminder that "business" were not 'the thing' until late 80's in Russia.
Good point, I donít know enough about how much/what vaccines they used back then in russia. But Russia surely wasnít the only country that already had vaccines back then.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: electromagnetic radiation on August 21, 2018, 05:00:34 AM
So are you from Serbia or Ukraine? Because that would explain your dumbass opinion.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-45246049

Ukraine and Serbia are among the countries with the highest rates in Europe.

Not really. IĎm from Switzerland.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: CrumblingInfrastructure on August 21, 2018, 05:03:49 AM
Iíve been reading ďHow To Survive A PlagueĒ by David France so this thread has become a pretty morbid correlation with that.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: essal on August 21, 2018, 05:49:42 AM
I'm shocked how some of you hope parents get their child taken away from them for not being vaccinated. I'm sorry but you guys are ridicoulus for thinking that would be better for the Child. Not thinking twice what that does to a child. Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.

its good to know you went to see alot of docters all over europe about this question...
the "alot" of doctors is in relation to America as in "more", I'm Aware that it's alot less then doctors that tell you differently. But I've talked  to doctors off Duty that I know privatly and some we're telling me that they know that the risk is much higher then they make us believe. I do have friends in different parts of europe that made experiences like this but not everywhere. It also depends if you live in the EU or not. My Country is not part of the European Union.
i live in norway and our doctors aren't retarded or make any money of vaccinating people, but they still vaccinate 97% or so. weird huh.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: theknifesong on August 21, 2018, 06:05:55 AM
Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.
there are a more doctors that will tell you that not vaccinating your kids is a bigger risk than vaccinating. and just because you're a doctor doesn't mean you have a grasp on deceases. look at the ECDC recommendations to see what doctors in the EU with knowledge about deceases and vaccines mean.

and those doctors you talk about are the cause why europe have had measles outbreaks lately. the numbers are at an all time high since the MMR vaccine came around, because idiots don'y vaccinate their kids.
I agree that there are alot more doctors that will tell you otherwise, I was just adressing a Statement that you shouldn't talk about it if you have no knowledge of medicine. The whole Thing is a buisness, there have been Mayor cases of measles "death" that turned out to be caused by something else or even caused by a vaccine so the People would run to the doctors and get their vaccines. Also interesting that the measles "outbreak" started while the countries were sitting on a overproduction of measles vaccines.

So how come vaccination were 'the thing' in USSR since 1957? Just a reminder that "business" were not 'the thing' until late 80's in Russia.
Good point, I donít know enough about how much/what vaccines they used back then in russia. But Russia surely wasnít the only country that already had vaccines back then.

Vaccines was present in Russia since 1957, back there were no business or corporations who made money on it or benefit in someway.

"I donít know enough about... " and that is a beauty of science, you don't need to invent something everyday, or study for 10 years if you want to fix your teeth for example, you just go to the doctor and do it. Same thing with vaccination, some smart people did their job, just fucking trust them to avoid measles outbreaks.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: SHIREFLIP on August 21, 2018, 06:19:17 AM
What is it about vaccines that scare stupid people, anyway?

Is it the fish stick's worth of mercury in it? Is it the cholesterol from the egg white?

Has nobody told these people that we're essentially glorified raccoons, more or less built to thrive off garbage?

Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: McCly on August 21, 2018, 06:46:18 AM
https://globalnews.ca/news/4397490/measles-europe/

Welp.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Smartass on August 21, 2018, 07:11:18 AM
What is it about vaccines that scare stupid people, anyway?

Is it the fish stick's worth of mercury in it? Is it the cholesterol from the egg white?

Has nobody told these people that we're essentially glorified raccoons, more or less built to thrive off garbage?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy)It's because this stupid ass need to find someone/some thing to blame for the fact her kid was autistic.

So she got paid a shitty doctor and shit ton of advertisers to run this narrative of vaccines are bad, and thus you got the shit show we have today.

This is a just a long fucking way of saying the people are scared that their kids are going to end up autistic from vaccines, instead of actually being worried about them catching shit like polio.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: gaseous clay on August 21, 2018, 10:09:44 AM
What is it about vaccines that scare stupid people, anyway?

Is it the fish stick's worth of mercury in it? Is it the cholesterol from the egg white?

Has nobody told these people that we're essentially glorified raccoons, more or less built to thrive off garbage?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy
 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_McCarthy)It's because this stupid ass need to find someone/some thing to blame for the fact her kid was autistic.

So she got paid a shitty doctor and shit ton of advertisers to run this narrative of vaccines are bad, and thus you got the shit show we have today.

This is a just a long fucking way of saying the people are scared that their kids are going to end up autistic from vaccines, instead of actually being worried about them catching shit like polio.
It definitely couldn't have anything to do with her smoking 4 packs a day for 25 years.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: h00man on August 21, 2018, 10:28:18 AM
If you don't think you or your children should be vaccinated, please fucking kill thyself.


We don't need stupid fucking people bringing down the entire human race because of stupid people's stupid fucking mindsets and opinions.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shripshrapper on August 21, 2018, 11:26:27 AM
Ok so we're agreed then, if you're against vaccines, you die and your children die. Glad we settled that.

This has to be the worst discussion on SLAP since the "Geoff Rowley wants to use your aborted fetuses for target practice" thread.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: behavioralguide on August 21, 2018, 11:39:28 AM
Here in Europe there are a lot of Doctors that know what vaccinating does to a child and tell you "that they understand anyone who doesn't want to do it"but they have to give you out Information ect. but do not believe in it. And they most certainly are familiar with the subject.
its good to know you went to see alot of docters all over europe about this question...
the "alot" of doctors is in relation to America as in "more", I'm Aware that it's alot less then doctors that tell you differently. But I've talked  to doctors off Duty that I know privatly and some we're telling me that they know that the risk is much higher then they make us believe. I do have friends in different parts of europe that made experiences like this but not everywhere. It also depends if you live in the EU or not. My Country is not part of the European Union.
i live in norway and our doctors aren't retarded or make any money of vaccinating people, but they still vaccinate 97% or so. weird huh.

Ok, lets pretend these conversations happened for arguments sake. You are talking to docters who tell you, off the record no less, as its something that might come to haunt them (by whom? big pharma? the government?), that ''the risk is much higher then they make us believe''... clif hanger!

the risk of what? (a) autism? or the risk of (b) side effects?
>the risk of (a) autism was never proven by anyone, so lets go with option (b); side effects
they are doctors so they are right! right?
>the risk of side effects is much greater then we believe!
but what are the side effects of mmr vaccine?
>injection site reactions (pain, redness, swelling, or a lump), fever, rash, headache, dizziness, joint or muscle pain, nausea, vomiting, or diarrhea.
or the more serious side effects like easy bruising or bleeding, seizures, or mental/mood changes (such as confusion).

do these side effects weigh up to lets say, dying?(measles(1/1000 up to 10/1000, mumps (1/1000th patients)) or cardiac, cerebral, ophthalmic and auditory defects in new- borns.

Is it not more likely that you misuderstood you doctors and that they ment that:
 the risk of side effects is much greater then the risk of catching the measles is as of right now (as long as the majority of people is vaccinated)

Otherwise it would mean that there is alot (your words) of docters in europe vaccinating people against their will or medical advice.
This then means that those doctors do not care about their patients as they are still vaccinating and not standing on the barricades saving these ignorant people from the risk that is much higher as they make us believe
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Jeff Groucho on August 21, 2018, 12:36:54 PM
yo i read somewhere that if you vaccinate your son that 9 times outta 10 they'll turn out to be a hoeboy. studies have shown that once the boy hits puberty that if you make a small incision between the penis and the butthole (most know this area as the gooch) you will find little tiny ovaries. thats a pretty alarming figure if you ask me and thus explains slaps current climate. i on the other hand was not vaccinated. i am not a hoeboy and I am perfectly heathy young man with a good head on his shoulders. I'm definitely anti vac.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Baron Samedi on August 21, 2018, 12:38:29 PM
what's up with all this talk of poosys and hoeboys. what are these words
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Jeff Groucho on August 21, 2018, 12:52:28 PM
what's up with all this talk of poosys and hoeboys. what are these words

i gotchu my guy

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hoeboy
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: DM on August 22, 2018, 02:49:54 AM
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/you-have-measles-because-daddy-reads-bullshit-on-the-internet-child-told-20180822176547
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: darkslideoftheforce on August 22, 2018, 08:46:53 AM
wow let's get the fuck out of this thread
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on August 22, 2018, 06:11:50 PM
I think Grosso hit the nail on the head when he said NEVER discuss with other people how you raise your kids...
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Issy on August 22, 2018, 07:21:25 PM
https://youtu.be/vgqRis_czYg
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Stringer Bell on August 23, 2018, 04:41:15 AM
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/unvaccinated-baby-gets-measles-in-sydney

Please watch the video to understand why "this little girl is perfectly fine without your vaccines"
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Jeff Groucho on August 23, 2018, 12:20:41 PM
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/unvaccinated-baby-gets-measles-in-sydney

Please watch the video to understand why "this little girl is perfectly fine without your vaccines"

stringer always was the bitch of the barksdale crew.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shripshrapper on August 23, 2018, 12:26:40 PM
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/unvaccinated-baby-gets-measles-in-sydney

Please watch the video to understand why "this little girl is perfectly fine without your vaccines"

stringer always was the bitch of the barksdale crew.

Yup. Not wanting your kids to get sick and die is a total bitch move.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: DCLOVE on August 23, 2018, 12:33:02 PM
yo i read somewhere that if you vaccinate your son that 9 times outta 10 they'll turn out to be a hoeboy. studies have shown that once the boy hits puberty that if you make a small incision between the penis and the butthole (most know this area as the gooch) you will find little tiny ovaries. thats a pretty alarming figure if you ask me and thus explains slaps current climate. i on the other hand was not vaccinated. i am not a hoeboy and I am perfectly heathy young man with a good head on his shoulders. I'm definitely anti vac.

Am hoeboy can confirm.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Tedd on August 23, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
I think Grosso hit the nail on the head when he said NEVER discuss with other people how you raise your kids...

Maybe donít lecture other parents on the importance of vegetables and breastfeeding but...

Not vaccinating your kids is some stupid inexcusable shit, like child abuse.

Like, if someone was broadcasting ďThis little girls doing just fine with me beating the shit out of her and destroying her self esteem on a regular basis thank you very much :)Ē

Wouldnít it be appropriate to point out that thatís horrible parenting?
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: whale on August 23, 2018, 01:16:16 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/20/low-mmr-uptake-blamed-for-surge-in-measles-cases-across-europe (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/aug/20/low-mmr-uptake-blamed-for-surge-in-measles-cases-across-europe)
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: shripshrapper on August 23, 2018, 02:19:41 PM
I think Grosso hit the nail on the head when he said NEVER discuss with other people how you raise your kids...

Maybe donít lecture other parents on the importance of vegetables and breastfeeding but...

Not vaccinating your kids is some stupid inexcusable shit, like child abuse.

Like, if someone was broadcasting ďThis little girls doing just fine with me beating the shit out of her and destroying her self esteem on a regular basis thank you very much :)Ē

Wouldnít it be appropriate to point out that thatís horrible parenting?

The point is, that anti-vaxxers would say that you vaccinating your kids is more like child abuse than what they're doing.

If your an anti-vaxxer, you are the abusive one, not them.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: Tedd on August 23, 2018, 04:11:51 PM
I think Grosso hit the nail on the head when he said NEVER discuss with other people how you raise your kids...

Maybe donít lecture other parents on the importance of vegetables and breastfeeding but...

Not vaccinating your kids is some stupid inexcusable shit, like child abuse.

Like, if someone was broadcasting ďThis little girls doing just fine with me beating the shit out of her and destroying her self esteem on a regular basis thank you very much :)Ē

Wouldnít it be appropriate to point out that thatís horrible parenting?

The point is, that anti-vaxxers would say that you vaccinating your kids is more like child abuse than what they're doing.

If your an anti-vaxxer, you are the abusive one, not them.

Oh I see now
I canít read
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: nooky on September 18, 2018, 04:42:32 AM
wonder if his kid has caused any infectious disease outbreaks yet
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: drewdown on September 18, 2018, 07:10:48 AM
I don't follow this dude but somebody post up when he instagrams the fact that his kid got measles. 
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: artskool on September 18, 2018, 07:47:50 AM
Getting crippled from Polio is the new handlebar moustache.
Title: Re: Chris Joslin of vaccinating
Post by: berries and a twig on September 18, 2018, 09:34:38 AM
measles outbreak in vancouver, hope he doesnt bring his kid here, I mean im fine, i got vaccinated for them, but thats just me.