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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: rejectpaul on August 27, 2018, 12:51:48 PM
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http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2018/08/27/interview-mike-sinclair-skateboardings-famous-team-manager/
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Fluffy
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Good interview, seems like a great guy. Needs to watch his back around the snuggle bandit though ;) (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/mike-sinclair-jenkem-andy-roy.jpg)
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good quick read.
True Blue is one of my favorite videos and it's sucks to know that dekline was profitable, but not profitable enough to be worth the work.
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Juicy tidbits in there.
- When I saw Blake Carpenter’s stuff early on I didn’t think he was that good."
- "Tum Yeto isn’t able to give per diems, so if I see someone on a trip struggling, then we’re either gonna share something or I’ll buy him lunch cause we’re not gonna leave anyone out there dying."
- "I do know that Dekline didn’t go out of business because of a bigger company. It was profitable when they pulled the plug, but it just wasn’t worth their time, it was so small."
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Not as satisfying as his free lunch.
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"You a pig"- Forrest Edwards
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I do know that Dekline didn’t go out of business because of a bigger company
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Surprised he didn’t talk about Leticia on Foundation.
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https://youtu.be/Hx4h7WveKjw
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Damn I wish that was longer. It'd be nice to have TMs getting interviewed more often, they've got a good perspective on the industry that's between the skating side and the business side.
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
it's not like they aren't getting paid per diem and the owner is out driving around in a ferrari you dipshit. there's a reason..
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For me it's crazy that Tum Yeto crew is killing themselves without any contract or food... It was also mentioned before that the Foundation team has only board incentives.
I don't think that they aren't that small, also if you can't afford 15 guys on your team better have 5 and pay them...
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
it's not like they aren't getting paid per diem and the owner is out driving around in a ferrari you dipshit. there's a reason..
Oh yeah I forgot how important it is for Templetits creepy photos of innocent bystanders to be published in a book. It’s not like I think the heads at Tum Yeto are killing it. I think it’s dumb to have such a large team to where if you had half the dudes you could afford to actually take care of them. You dipshit.
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Why doesn't he hook any Foundation dudes up with Nike connections?
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
it's not like they aren't getting paid per diem and the owner is out driving around in a ferrari you dipshit. there's a reason..
Oh yeah I forgot how important it is for Templetits creepy photos of innocent bystanders to be published in a book. It’s not like I think the heads at Tum Yeto are killing it. I think it’s dumb to have such a large team to where if you had half the dudes you could afford to actually take care of them. You dipshit.
you are probably also one of those people that think decks can stay $50 for ever
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For me it's crazy that Tum Yeto crew is killing themselves without any contract or food... It was also mentioned before that the Foundation team has only board incentives.
I don't think that they aren't that small, also if you can't afford 15 guys on your team better have 5 and pay them...
I don't think that you shouldn't have not dropped out of English class.
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For example, I still feel that shop decks are making Tum Yeto smaller and smaller. People don’t see how the shop blank or the random local company that has 50 boards for sale will mean there aren’t gonna be any more demos coming through town or your favorite pro isn’t going to get paid by the board company in the future
this fucking argument again. i can only speak for shops in canada, but if a shop buys a board from a distro for $47.50 (low end average) to $54 (high end average) and sell the board for $80-85, no one is making money on selling pro decks.
thats why shop boards exist, so the store can afford to lose money on pro branded product. make it more profitable to sell branded stuff or shut up.
im surprised he didnt say he praised primitive for selling direct to customer or something.
him bitching about random local companies is fucking stupid, if you arent selling enough boards because a smaller brand is taking your share of the market that means you arent doing your job.
the local brands boards are probably cheaper than what tum yeto is selling decks to shops for.
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That interview was boring.
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Good interview, seems like a great guy. Needs to watch his back around the snuggle bandit though ;) (http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/mike-sinclair-jenkem-andy-roy.jpg)
Yikes
(https://imageshack.com/i/plEVzTDsj)
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Why doesn't he hook any Foundation dudes up with Nike connections?
Dylan Witkin
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
I agree, this is dog shit treatment. Borderline exploitation. I wouldn't accept this kind of deal in my professional life. Shows how bad skaters are at looking out for themselves
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Sinclair looks great in that photo. Really going for the King Kong Bundy look.
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Why doesn't he hook any Foundation dudes up with Nike connections?
that one actually wasn't through Sinclair.
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
I agree, this is dog shit treatment. Borderline exploitation. I wouldn't accept this kind of deal in my professional life. Shows how bad skaters are at looking out for themselves
Definitely a bummer, but I assume it’s gotta be because Foundation simply doesn’t have the money. They probably pay for plane tickets or van and hotel rooms, stuff like that.
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
I agree, this is dog shit treatment. Borderline exploitation. I wouldn't accept this kind of deal in my professional life. Shows how bad skaters are at looking out for themselves
Definitely a bummer, but I assume it’s gotta be because Foundation simply doesn’t have the money. They probably pay for plane tickets or van and hotel rooms, stuff like that.
I guess I just don’t have a firm grasp on the economics of skateboarding circa 2018.
I mean I realize that there is an oversupply of available talent so skaters aren’t in a great negotiating position but when the higher ups insist that there is no money available in a company that does business in 50 states and multiple countries and that everyone, top to bottom is just scraping by it is baffling.
Fucking pizza places do better business and their owners and employees are better off if this line is true.
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
I agree, this is dog shit treatment. Borderline exploitation. I wouldn't accept this kind of deal in my professional life. Shows how bad skaters are at looking out for themselves
Definitely a bummer, but I assume it’s gotta be because Foundation simply doesn’t have the money. They probably pay for plane tickets or van and hotel rooms, stuff like that.
if my employer told me i had to take a month long road trip, but i had to pay for all my own food and expenses along the way, i would find another job. i'm not a 17 year old kid going on a skate trip with my friends, i'm an adult with bills and shit.
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
I agree, this is dog shit treatment. Borderline exploitation. I wouldn't accept this kind of deal in my professional life. Shows how bad skaters are at looking out for themselves
Definitely a bummer, but I assume it’s gotta be because Foundation simply doesn’t have the money. They probably pay for plane tickets or van and hotel rooms, stuff like that.
if my employer told me i had to take a month long road trip, but i had to pay for all my own food and expenses along the way, i would find another job. i'm not a 17 year old kid going on a skate trip with my friends, i'm an adult with bills and shit.
Have you seen KOTR lately? Foundation is basically a group of kids. They totally look like they have a great time together though. It blows they don't get paid per diem on trips,but no one has dipped to another team...so what's the incentive for staying?
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Why doesn't he hook any Foundation dudes up with Nike connections?
It's interesting to me that a guy like Terp (or even John Fitzgerald) is fully on Nike but Cole Wilson has no shoe sponsor. And I'm not throwing shade on Terp or Fitz because I've always loved them both. Just saying Cole deserves way better by comparison.
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Damn I wish that was longer. It'd be nice to have TMs getting interviewed more often, they've got a good perspective on the industry that's between the skating side and the business side.
an interesting perspective he brought up was its not so much that the skater owned shoe co's got smaller cause of corpo so much as they looked much smaller by comparison.
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I think it’s super lame that Tum Yeto doesn’t pay those dudes per diem. “Hey just set your life aside for a month to go across the country with us and put yourselves in harms way, but we aren’t going to feed you. You’ll have to figure that shit out on your own.” Fuck that. Have a smaller team that you can actually take care of. The latest chromeball states it best in the sense of skateboarding had 30 years to figure out how to treat these dudes like professionals. Nike does that and I am happy for anyone afforded that opportunity. Foundation has a rad team. Oddity is IMO the best full length to come out in recent memory. It bums me out to know those dudes aren’t really taken care of.
it's not like they aren't getting paid per diem and the owner is out driving around in a ferrari you dipshit. there's a reason..
Oh yeah I forgot how important it is for Templetits creepy photos of innocent bystanders to be published in a book. It’s not like I think the heads at Tum Yeto are killing it. I think it’s dumb to have such a large team to where if you had half the dudes you could afford to actually take care of them. You dipshit.
you are probably also one of those people that think decks can stay $50 for ever
I absolutely think it’s absurd decks still cost $50. I understand the concept of inflation. Something Foundation can do is not have half their catalog be team decks since they apparently only pay royalties, or they could charge $60 bucks a pop for team decks and throw the extra $8 into an account to pay those dudes per diem on trips. If I knew that’s where the money was going I’d have no issues forking out the extra dough. Those dudes rip. They make the brand. The brand should take care of them. Tum Yeto is fucking up.
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Does Mike Sinclair draw a salary from Foundation while the riders don’t get paid?
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Does Mike Sinclair draw a salary from Foundation while the riders don’t get paid?
Wouldn't you want to get paid to deal with Nick Merlino?
He does what else with Tum Yeto?Foundation, Toy Machine,Pig Wheels...and thats it right?
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If swank or anybody at tum yeto is claiming they can't afford to pay some sort of minimum per diem, they are simply lying.
$20/day to 10 dudes= $200/ day, so let's say $1500/ week? $2000/ week if they got off their wallets? This is jack shit in the grand scheme of operating costs for even a small company, not paying anything is an embarassment.
Unless of course they are giving their riders a decent annual travel budget in a lump sum and letting them figure out how to budget it themselves...
Anybody know what tum yeto is valued at?
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If swank or anybody at tum yeto is claiming they can't afford to pay some sort of minimum per diem, they are simply lying.
$20/day to 10 dudes= $200/ day, so let's say $1500/ week? $2000/ week if they got off their wallets? This is jack shit in the grand scheme of operating costs for even a small company, not paying anything is an embarassment.
Unless of course they are giving their riders a decent annual travel budget in a lump sum and letting them figure out how to budget it themselves...
Anybody know what tum yeto is valued at?
Precisely. Anyone who has the argument that these are just kids and that the market is saturated, eat a dick. The dudes are human beings who do an exceptional job and deserve to be treated as such. Also fuck the whole blue collar “accept the suck” argument. Obviously there is money to be made otherwise TY would have vaporized years ago. Take care of your people.
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I know I sound like a broken record, but I really wish Tum Yeto would stop blowing it.
I'd buy a Toy Machine Monster board in 8.25" to 8.6" with a 14.5" wb if I could find one in Europe. I can't! They're just not available. I was looking to buy the Ed Templeton cat board as a cruiser. Couldn't find it anywhere in Europe. I'd like to buy a Foundation board too but no luck. I've been burned with crap dimension China wood Toy Machine boards too many times here in Europe to be able to trust them anymore and that's a damn shame cuz I've loved Toy Machine since I was a kid and think Foundation is rad as fuck too.
I also recently bought a Toy Machine monster T-shirt that I've wanted like 20 years. After the first wash the print looks like the shirt actually is 20 years old. Worst quality ever.
Why couldn't they operate like Deluxe? Why do they have to be so untrustworthy with their product? Why do they have to sell people outside US crap product with different dimensions? Make quality stuff and have it be available outside of California and you might get some more cash flow to treat your riders better. There are too many brands giving us consumers quality product to keep pulling shit like that off and expecting us to continue to give you money.
Also has anyone ever cared for Blake Carpenter, Josh Harmony or Billy Marks? If you won't put Forrest on, at least give him a guest board and actually sell that somewhere!
Basically Mike, I want to give you my money but you're making it difficult as fuck! Please stop doing that!
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Skateboarding isn’t about paying the bills. Many great skaters have come and gone for that reason.
The idea that skating owes anybody anything is wrong. We owe skateboarding everything.
Also, that was way more dramatic than i meant it.
In other words...skate or don’t.
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from an outsiders perspective it seems very strange that everyone working for a skatecompany is getting paid aside from the actual professional skaters- without the team there would be no real skate company.
sinclair sais he starts at 30000 a year. it d make more sense than spend 2500 a mounth on the actual team and manage it yourself if you re the owner and claim your brand skateboarder owned. strange times.
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I know it might seem like Toy and Foundation are major brands, but what Sinclair mentioned with shop boards and all the small brands is sadly the truth, and Tum Yeto has a small fraction of what they had, financially, several years ago. I've worked for their distro and when you see the numbers going out the door you can put two and two together and understand why there just isn't the same budget available for the team anymore. I'm not sure what the answer is, but the market share is tiny compared to the past, so companies are gonna have to start looking at ways to keep a team and stay profitable. Luckily, there's a never ending crop of young rippers eager to kill themselves for the smallest amount of free product, let alone any money. Companies know this, and that makes it even harder to justify allotting large amounts of budget to the skate team for salaries.
Personally, I think skaters deserve to make a lot more than they do, but that doesn't change the fact that the money literally isn't there aside from a select few brands.
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I feel like the foundation team could get together with some good artists and a quality woodshop and make their own brand, and actually make some money.
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How many times has the Foundation team had to be built up from nothing and no-one?
a'la Toy Machine.
Tum Yeto got problems, mang.
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I feel like the foundation team could get together with some good artists and a quality woodshop and make their own brand, and actually make some money.
Then they wouldn’t be able to skate unless they hired someone to manage the brand and the team while they skated
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I know I sound like a broken record, but I really wish Tum Yeto would stop blowing it.
I'd buy a Toy Machine Monster board in 8.25" to 8.6" with a 14.5" wb if I could find one in Europe. I can't! They're just not available. I was looking to buy the Ed Templeton cat board as a cruiser. Couldn't find it anywhere in Europe. I'd like to buy a Foundation board too but no luck. I've been burned with crap dimension China wood Toy Machine boards too many times here in Europe to be able to trust them anymore and that's a damn shame cuz I've loved Toy Machine since I was a kid and think Foundation is rad as fuck too.
I also recently bought a Toy Machine monster T-shirt that I've wanted like 20 years. After the first wash the print looks like the shirt actually is 20 years old. Worst quality ever.
Why couldn't they operate like Deluxe? Why do they have to be so untrustworthy with their product? Why do they have to sell people outside US crap product with different dimensions? Make quality stuff and have it be available outside of California and you might get some more cash flow to treat your riders better. There are too many brands giving us consumers quality product to keep pulling shit like that off and expecting us to continue to give you money.
Also has anyone ever cared for Blake Carpenter, Josh Harmony or Billy Marks? If you won't put Forrest on, at least give him a guest board and actually sell that somewhere!
Basically Mike, I want to give you my money but you're making it difficult as fuck! Please stop doing that!
I defs +1 you bro. I'm from South Africa and I aint ever seen one in the wild or at any shops around here. Breaks my heart that we only have a couple of brands distributed here.
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If swank or anybody at tum yeto is claiming they can't afford to pay some sort of minimum per diem, they are simply lying.
$20/day to 10 dudes= $200/ day, so let's say $1500/ week? $2000/ week if they got off their wallets? This is jack shit in the grand scheme of operating costs for even a small company, not paying anything is an embarassment.
Unless of course they are giving their riders a decent annual travel budget in a lump sum and letting them figure out how to budget it themselves...
Anybody know what tum yeto is valued at?
Precisely. Anyone who has the argument that these are just kids and that the market is saturated, eat a dick. The dudes are human beings who do an exceptional job and deserve to be treated as such. Also fuck the whole blue collar “accept the suck” argument. Obviously there is money to be made otherwise TY would have vaporized years ago. Take care of your people.
Uhhhhh, I'm going to go ahead and say that these are kids, and the market is absolutely fucking saturated. The first part may be a matter of perspective, the second part is not.
They certainly do deserve better.
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In tum yeto’s defense most board companies do not have contracts with riders. I’d assume Element and a select few pros under the dwindle umbrella do. Crail dlx and baker boys dont do contracts so not surprised Tum Yeto doesn’t. That said not paying the foundation riders outside of royalties and no per diem is shitty. They could afford $20 per day, I got more than that on road trips in college and I just played lacrosse. Our team didn’t bring in revenue to the AD but we still ate. To think they probably make more of their wheel/truck sponsor is laughable. Hasn’t swank always had a reputation for being shifty though?
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I know I sound like a broken record, but I really wish Tum Yeto would stop blowing it.
I'd buy a Toy Machine Monster board in 8.25" to 8.6" with a 14.5" wb if I could find one in Europe. I can't! They're just not available. I was looking to buy the Ed Templeton cat board as a cruiser. Couldn't find it anywhere in Europe. I'd like to buy a Foundation board too but no luck. I've been burned with crap dimension China wood Toy Machine boards too many times here in Europe to be able to trust them anymore and that's a damn shame cuz I've loved Toy Machine since I was a kid and think Foundation is rad as fuck too.
I also recently bought a Toy Machine monster T-shirt that I've wanted like 20 years. After the first wash the print looks like the shirt actually is 20 years old. Worst quality ever.
Why couldn't they operate like Deluxe? Why do they have to be so untrustworthy with their product? Why do they have to sell people outside US crap product with different dimensions? Make quality stuff and have it be available outside of California and you might get some more cash flow to treat your riders better. There are too many brands giving us consumers quality product to keep pulling shit like that off and expecting us to continue to give you money.
Also has anyone ever cared for Blake Carpenter, Josh Harmony or Billy Marks? If you won't put Forrest on, at least give him a guest board and actually sell that somewhere!
Basically Mike, I want to give you my money but you're making it difficult as fuck! Please stop doing that!
I think you're are yelling at the wrong dude. Mike is a team manager and not in sales or marketing for TUMYETO. He's on a salary just like any other employee and he is not making the executive decisions.
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He's the team manager that would kick you off and have the right words to say to make you feel good about yourself, your career and then you'd hang up the phone with a faint resemblance of a smile and then quickly realize it's over and you never should have traded those boards for dime bags.
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In tum yeto’s defense most board companies do not have contracts with riders.
ive always loved how companies will spin this like they're doing them a favor but actually its a great way to not have to pay them benefits or give them adequate compensation. crailtap is the most notorious imo.
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In tum yeto’s defense most board companies do not have contracts with riders.
ive always loved how companies will spin this like they're doing them a favor but actually its a great way to not have to pay them benefits or give them adequate compensation. crailtap is the most notorious imo.
And no security whatsoever while they're out getting hurt to sell pieces of wood.
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I know I sound like a broken record, but I really wish Tum Yeto would stop blowing it.
I'd buy a Toy Machine Monster board in 8.25" to 8.6" with a 14.5" wb if I could find one in Europe. I can't! They're just not available. I was looking to buy the Ed Templeton cat board as a cruiser. Couldn't find it anywhere in Europe. I'd like to buy a Foundation board too but no luck. I've been burned with crap dimension China wood Toy Machine boards too many times here in Europe to be able to trust them anymore and that's a damn shame cuz I've loved Toy Machine since I was a kid and think Foundation is rad as fuck too.
I also recently bought a Toy Machine monster T-shirt that I've wanted like 20 years. After the first wash the print looks like the shirt actually is 20 years old. Worst quality ever.
Why couldn't they operate like Deluxe? Why do they have to be so untrustworthy with their product? Why do they have to sell people outside US crap product with different dimensions? Make quality stuff and have it be available outside of California and you might get some more cash flow to treat your riders better. There are too many brands giving us consumers quality product to keep pulling shit like that off and expecting us to continue to give you money.
Also has anyone ever cared for Blake Carpenter, Josh Harmony or Billy Marks? If you won't put Forrest on, at least give him a guest board and actually sell that somewhere!
Basically Mike, I want to give you my money but you're making it difficult as fuck! Please stop doing that!
I think you're are yelling at the wrong dude. Mike is a team manager and not in sales or marketing for TUMYETO. He's on a salary just like any other employee and he is not making the executive decisions.
You’re right. I dunno why I’m aiming my anger at him really. 🤔 I just want someone to take control over there. I dunno why it seems to be so difficult and who’s responsible.
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Bro if they can’t afford per diem they can’t afford shipping to South Africa et all
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In tum yeto’s defense most board companies do not have contracts with riders.
ive always loved how companies will spin this like they're doing them a favor but actually its a great way to not have to pay them benefits or give them adequate compensation. crailtap is the most notorious imo.
And no security whatsoever while they're out getting hurt to sell pieces of wood.
Feel like crail is exactly where you want to be if you want security. Half their team hasn’t put out footage in 5+ years... Mike Mo hasn’t really been productive on a board in years and still has his name on a board. No other distro would do that.
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Feel like crail is exactly where you want to be if you want security. Half their team hasn’t put out footage in 5+ years...
Mike Mo hasn’t really been productive on a board in years and still has his name on a board. No other distro would do that.
Feel like crail is exactly where you want to be if you want security. Half their team hasn’t put out footage in 5+ years...
This came out June of this last year.
(http://cdn.companybe.com/cowtown/product_photos/rd_images/rd_lakai-the-flare-dvd.jpg)
Mike Mo hasn’t really been productive on a board in years and still has his name on a board. No other distro would do that.
https://youtu.be/Yujqexxk0qY (https://youtu.be/Yujqexxk0qY)
"After 3 and a half years of not being healthy enough to skate, I found a brace that can actually help my paralyzed foot out (Drop Foot). Its made a huge difference in the way I am able to skate and even beyond that, just being able to walk around and live life like a normal human. When I was growing up, I always wanted to do a trick good enough where I could do 100 of them in a day. I noticed anytime that I ever did 100 in the same day the trick would always feel so much easier and I forever had the trick locked into my muscle memory. So I am using the same process as a kid, but this time I'm trying to learn with a paralyzed foot haha. Some of these tries will be sloppy as hell, but gimme a break! 100 a day."
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Does Mike Sinclair draw a salary from Foundation while the riders don’t get paid?
He does what else with Tum Yeto?Foundation, Toy Machine,Pig Wheels...and thats it right?
I love his description of his job...’I ask other people to ship boards and I bring grip gum to all the contests’. It’s like the Bobs in Office Space—‘what exactly is it you do here?’ If he started at 30K ten years ago he is probably up to 50-60K with benefits. I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM. These guys should not need a dad on tour to wipe their ass. I’m sure they would rather get their food paid for.
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skateboarding and music are immensely similar. call your dlx's and dwindle's major labels - they do huge sales, their artists (riders) are compensated well, they have security. then you have your large indie labels (4AD, Matador, etc) a la FA/Hockey, Polar - well respected, so still pretty well compensated, but not doing mall numbers by any means. then you have indie labels. tum yeto falls into that category. those bands, those teams still fucking tour. because they love it, but also because when you go out there, you build a reputation that will hopefully pay back in dividends. that might be getting on a big shoe company, or getting enough shops hyped on your boards to get per diems. still gotta go out and tour. still gotta show up. sometimes, you show up and lose a bunch of money. that's how this shit goes. it isn't always secure to make art and follow a passion, don't expect it to be middle management at a fortune 500 company
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
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Does Mike Sinclair draw a salary from Foundation while the riders don’t get paid?
He does what else with Tum Yeto?Foundation, Toy Machine,Pig Wheels...and thats it right?
I love his description of his job...’I ask other people to ship boards and I bring grip gum to all the contests’. It’s like the Bobs in Office Space—‘what exactly is it you do here?’ If he started at 30K ten years ago he is probably up to 50-60K with benefits. I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM. These guys should not need a dad on tour to wipe their ass. I’m sure they would rather get their food paid for.
mutiny!
you just described andy schrock's business plan w/ his merry pranksters.
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
I’m 40 but whatever age means. All I’m saying is middle management is where you look to cut when times are tough. The problem seems Tod and Ed are detached from their companies. So, if you don’t care don’t have a company. I think Billy Marks would want the job if it meant more money for his family—and beanies.
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No skater would take on the role of TM without wanting additional compensation, which is what they pay Sinclair for. Once a skater becomes a TM they definitely skate less because of responsibilities, which in turn means less productivity/money for them (photo incentives, footage, etc.)
So if Duffel is at the point in his career where he doesn't wanna tour as much and/or doesn't wanna babysit the kids on the team, the next senior rider is Merlino and that sounds like a fucking disaster.
If you have no TM do you just send the dudes out there with a list of things they're supposed to do and expect them to do it? Make sure they're in time for demos but also hitting the streets? Who books hotels and drives the bus?
It's shitty that Foundation doesn't give the riders per diem, but I'm sure the riders would take a better offer if they could.
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
I’m 40 but whatever age means. All I’m saying is middle management is where you look to cut when times are tough. The problem seems Tod and Ed are detached from their companies. So, if you don’t care don’t have a company. I think Billy Marks would want the job if it meant more money for his family—and beanies.
Just a few questions.
1) What do you think the average age is of the "oldest RIDER" on an average tour?
2) What percentage of those have actually EVER held a full time job?
3) Do you have kids? If so, have you ever tried to get a GROUP of them that are hungover skaters in the van on time to get to a demo?
4) You ever get a phone call hours before an international flight from someone saying they don't know where their passport is?
Being a TM (even a Euro TM!!) is a pain in the ass and a 24 hour job of babysitting. The oldest pro doesn't want that job unless the company owner says "due to your age/ability, you're no longer the oldest pro in the the van, you're merely just the oldest person - but I'll give you X amount of money to babysit these ungrateful, Peter Pan complexed tweeners."
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If a full team of skateboarders was responsible enough to not need a TM/handler it would literally just be a team of Zion Wrights and then skateboarding would be boring as shit.
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
I’m 40 but whatever age means. All I’m saying is middle management is where you look to cut when times are tough. The problem seems Tod and Ed are detached from their companies. So, if you don’t care don’t have a company. I think Billy Marks would want the job if it meant more money for his family—and beanies.
Just a few questions.
1) What do you think the average age is of the "oldest RIDER" on an average tour? Billy is 30 right? I think he is adult enough.
2) What percentage of those have actually EVER held a full time job? No idea but moving to skater/TM sounds better than a real job.
3) Do you have kids? 2 If so, have you ever tried to get a GROUP of them that are hungover skaters in the van on time to get to a demo? My kids are 6 and 9 so they aren’t hungover yet, but getting the in the Forester can be a pain at times.
4) You ever get a phone call hours before an international flight from someone saying they don't know where their passport is? No. Most people I know take care of their travel with no issues.
Being a TM (even a Euro TM!!) is a pain in the ass and a 24 hour job of babysitting. The oldest pro doesn't want that job unless the company owner says "due to your age/ability, you're no longer the oldest pro in the the van, you're merely just the oldest person - but I'll give you X amount of money to babysit these ungrateful, Peter Pan complexed tweeners."
I answered your questions I just hate to think these skaters who are Thrasher and YouTube fucking shit up are scrounging for food. Are there any brands that are truly employee/skater owned? Is WKND and equally owned collective? What about Alltimers? I doubt they have a TM but can they function and make money? I don’t know that either. Never really spent much time with the business end of skateboarding but it is interesting.
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
I’m 40 but whatever age means. All I’m saying is middle management is where you look to cut when times are tough. The problem seems Tod and Ed are detached from their companies. So, if you don’t care don’t have a company. I think Billy Marks would want the job if it meant more money for his family—and beanies.
Just a few questions.
1) What do you think the average age is of the "oldest RIDER" on an average tour? Billy is 30 right? I think he is adult enough.
2) What percentage of those have actually EVER held a full time job? No idea but moving to skater/TM sounds better than a real job.
3) Do you have kids? 2 If so, have you ever tried to get a GROUP of them that are hungover skaters in the van on time to get to a demo? My kids are 6 and 9 so they aren’t hungover yet, but getting the in the Forester can be a pain at times.
4) You ever get a phone call hours before an international flight from someone saying they don't know where their passport is? No. Most people I know take care of their travel with no issues.
Being a TM (even a Euro TM!!) is a pain in the ass and a 24 hour job of babysitting. The oldest pro doesn't want that job unless the company owner says "due to your age/ability, you're no longer the oldest pro in the the van, you're merely just the oldest person - but I'll give you X amount of money to babysit these ungrateful, Peter Pan complexed tweeners."
I answered your questions I just hate to think these skaters who are Thrasher and YouTube fucking shit up are scrounging for food. Are there any brands that are truly employee/skater owned? Is WKND and equally owned collective? What about Alltimers? I doubt they have a TM but can they function and make money? I don’t know that either. Never really spent much time with the business end of skateboarding but it is interesting.
So yeah, trust me when I say that being a TM is a HELLUVA lot worse than a real job. Fuck, a real job has set hours, set pay, benefits (hopefully), etc. And when you're co-workers can't handle the things that are asked of them, they are fired rather than have the ability to call a TM to ask for help for even the most mundane things.
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Working in skateboarding is cool until you realize it sucks like any other job, but it pays you in tshirts.
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If a full team of skateboarders was responsible enough to not need a TM/handler it would literally just be a team of Zion Wrights and then skateboarding would be boring as shit.
I feel like either the industry isn't giving riders enough credit or not expecting enough from them. Like urbeneathme mentioned, independent music has managed to create a whole marketing apparatus (venues, bookers, labels, websites, studios, festivals etc.) that runs on the accountability of the people directly involved in the scene. There have been literally thousands of bands that have made it happen on their own and musicians are ya know kinda famously flakey and prone to overindulgence. This to me seems like retro "skaters can't own companies" thinking that Rocco blew the fuck up 30 years ago.
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Working in skateboarding is cool until you realize it sucks like any other job, but it pays you in tshirts.
Yup
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His skate footage is impressive. Nice job Mike.
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I guarantee all those dudes are glad sinclair is using his big boy skills to handle shit for them so they can just fuck off and skate
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I remember reading that Dan Lu didn't want to ever be a TM because he liked to get stoned all the time. So yeah, having a dedicated TM (read: adult) taking care of logistical stuff like travel, food, etc, makes a lot of sense.
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It’s more than just being an adult though. He’s obviously a good networker and his personality can come off well to alot of different types of people. Plus he must really love skating and travelling in a damn van constantly
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If swank or anybody at tum yeto is claiming they can't afford to pay some sort of minimum per diem, they are simply lying.
$20/day to 10 dudes= $200/ day, so let's say $1500/ week? $2000/ week if they got off their wallets? This is jack shit in the grand scheme of operating costs for even a small company, not paying anything is an embarassment.
Unless of course they are giving their riders a decent annual travel budget in a lump sum and letting them figure out how to budget it themselves...
Anybody know what tum yeto is valued at?
So 1500 or 2000 a week per diem, but in the same interview sinclair said they have done month long cross country tours for 3500. Not saying They dont deserve it but I think theres a lot more at play here than just "they should be able to afford it" because regardless of being a nationwide brand i havnt seen a foundation board in a shop in years.
I dont think enough people are giving tm's enough credit, booking flights/hotels/demos and catering to a bunch of manchildren 24/7 would get old real quick, and although tum yeto pays him I doubt they are paying him great if he has time to tm for nike too.
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I'm gonna assume that board companies can't afford to tour which is why so few so it....so the fact they even do it is something.....I don't think anyone at Tum Yeto is rolling in it.....I bet Ed draws next to nothing from Toy Machine.....
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yeah no one buys toy machine socks
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This guy is living the dream if you ask me. Multiple salaries and very little real responsibilities.
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
it kinda happened with justin brock on king of the road, but then again he isnt skating at all and doesnt seem like the best TM(for kotr at least. jack olson had to check jamie thomas)
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CARPE PER DIEM
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Fun and personal choice aside, it's pretty shitty to send a bunch of dudes on a work trip for your business with no food money. Especially when they are risking their asses on no insurance.
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If a full team of skateboarders was responsible enough to not need a TM/handler it would literally just be a team of Zion Wrights and then skateboarding would be boring as shit.
zion is managed by not only sinclair, brock and whatever other brand managers he may have, but also the boardr.
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Just so I am clear. In corpo terms is TM is a C-Suite level? are they a VP of personnel? if there is a major meeting at foundation is it just assumed Sinclair has a seat at the meeting? or are they as other stated "middle management"?
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If a full team of skateboarders was responsible enough to not need a TM/handler it would literally just be a team of Zion Wrights and then skateboarding would be boring as shit.
zion is managed by not only sinclair, brock and whatever other brand managers he may have, but also the boardr.
is Brock even an actual TM?
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I mentioned before, if anyone knows what Tum Yeto is valued at, or has any info relating to the company's actual sales, I'd be interested to hear it. Everything else is conjecture if we don't actually know something concrete about their financial situation, debating how they do or don't spend the money they do or don't have.
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You would think working with professional athletes for a living you would try to not be such a fat slob.
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he may be fat, but comes off as far from a slob..
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He's in line for a coronary very soon if he keeps going the way he is.
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Fun and personal choice aside, it's pretty shitty to send a bunch of dudes on a work trip for your business with no food money. Especially when they are risking their asses on no insurance.
If this was nike i would agree, but with foundation I doubt tod swank or sinclair is the one making them go on the road, its probably them wanting to go on a trip and foundation helping out with gas money. In the interviews for oddity they said they were taking trips fully on their own budget, and in the latest glick interview he says him and dakota planned a trip for foundation but they had no money so it became a toy machine trip. Foundation might as well be shep dawgs at this point they just happen to make boards. I hope things turn around with KOTR because they sure as hell have the skill and heart for a brand to thrive, but we all know how hard it is for an old company to come back swinging.
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Fun and personal choice aside, it's pretty shitty to send a bunch of dudes on a work trip for your business with no food money. Especially when they are risking their asses on no insurance.
If this was nike i would agree, but with foundation I doubt tod swank or sinclair is the one making them go on the road, its probably them wanting to go on a trip and foundation helping out with gas money. In the interviews for oddity they said they were taking trips fully on their own budget, and in the latest glick interview he says him and dakota planned a trip for foundation but they had no money so it became a toy machine trip. Foundation might as well be shep dawgs at this point they just happen to make boards. I hope things turn around with KOTR because they sure as hell have the skill and heart for a brand to thrive, but we all know how hard it is for an old company to come back swinging.
Sometimes a friend helps you dig a hole in your backyard and they say they were glad to help and you thank them and maybe make them some spaghetti (and you don't make them pay for it). When you own a landscaping company and your friend helps you dig holes in other people's backyard, you pay them. Even if your friend is a little soft in the head and says no no, I'm just glad for the opportunity to dig holes, you pay them anyway, and if you don't, you're an asshole.
I've been on van tours for the local shop with a bunch of friends who all split the costs, doing demos for free gear and the occasional pizza, and in those scenarios, there's no team manager making 30-60 grand salary. Foundation is a decades-old company with established international distribution whose brand is currently featured on a popular show on Vice: they can twist it any way they like, but if the tm is making 30-60 then Swank or whoever is making more, and could afford to pay those per diems out of pocket if need be.
I find it very hard to believe that Higher ups at foundation aren't making at least 100gs/annual, but then somebody who knows these things prove me wrong and I 'll gladly shut up.
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.....I don't think anyone at Tum Yeto is rolling in it.....I bet Ed draws next to nothing from Toy Machine.....
Are you serious? It's his main source of income.
It's what allows him to fuck around with his camera while Deanna doesn't work and they still live in a very nice house in Orange County and work on their art. (the down payment for the house came from an award he won for Teenage Smokers)
Almost every skate shop I've ever been to in the world carries at least the Toy Machine socks.
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Hating on Sinclair for pulling in $15 an hour.
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The gipper aint saying shit on this thread.
That said i saw that foundation was asking kids to bring some gifts for the newlyweds to a demo/signing and the best gift would get a poster and a deck or something like that.
Is that an NBD? https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm3xs-ggFgk/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=12pe89zhsgqri (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm3xs-ggFgk/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=12pe89zhsgqri)
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
I’m 40 but whatever age means. All I’m saying is middle management is where you look to cut when times are tough. The problem seems Tod and Ed are detached from their companies. So, if you don’t care don’t have a company. I think Billy Marks would want the job if it meant more money for his family—and beanies.
Just a few questions.
1) What do you think the average age is of the "oldest RIDER" on an average tour? Billy is 30 right? I think he is adult enough.
2) What percentage of those have actually EVER held a full time job? No idea but moving to skater/TM sounds better than a real job.
3) Do you have kids? 2 If so, have you ever tried to get a GROUP of them that are hungover skaters in the van on time to get to a demo? My kids are 6 and 9 so they aren’t hungover yet, but getting the in the Forester can be a pain at times.
4) You ever get a phone call hours before an international flight from someone saying they don't know where their passport is? No. Most people I know take care of their travel with no issues.
Being a TM (even a Euro TM!!) is a pain in the ass and a 24 hour job of babysitting. The oldest pro doesn't want that job unless the company owner says "due to your age/ability, you're no longer the oldest pro in the the van, you're merely just the oldest person - but I'll give you X amount of money to babysit these ungrateful, Peter Pan complexed tweeners."
I answered your questions I just hate to think these skaters who are Thrasher and YouTube fucking shit up are scrounging for food. Are there any brands that are truly employee/skater owned? Is WKND and equally owned collective? What about Alltimers? I doubt they have a TM but can they function and make money? I don’t know that either. Never really spent much time with the business end of skateboarding but it is interesting.
I don't understand why you think a "skater-owned" company is better. Who do you think has been screwing all these guys over for decades? "Skater owned" companies, that's who.
Skateboarding is riding a skateboard and running a business is a completely different thing. "Skater owned" is a popular excuse for being an incompetent business person. It took outside companies (run by successful business people) to force "core" companies to stop treating skaters like shit.
I didn’t say skater (singular) owned companies were better. I think that equal partnership of the riders on the team would be the best way to set up a company in this day and age. I was just wondering if any of the newer brands were run like this? And, again, if Tum Yeto has no budget how can the afford a warehouse in San Diego that is probably a short distance from Tod’s house in San Diego. They can’t be hurting that bad.
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
So Corey Duffel would be TM... imagine that...
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
So Corey Duffel would be TM... imagine that...
For some reason, i can see him actually being a decent TM. He's been through EVERYTHING and has been in a van since he was a kid. I bet he'd be able to relate a lot more to skaters than you think. He's older now and probably has some sort of understanding of the logistics of sending people boxes, arranging hotels, flights etc. Also, probably an easier time getting demos. If a TM called a shop and said "Hey, this is Jimmy NewKnees from Asshat Skateboards", you'd probably blow him off, but if it was Corey Duffel, an ex-pro who's career you had seen, you may be a bit more receptive to lining up the demo.
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I don’t understand how having a TM is necessary. Just make the oldest rider the TM.
When you graduate from high school, you might learn that the oldest person isn't always the responsible one. Aside from that shit, I don't think the oldest dude on the team wants more responsibilities while trying to balance their career.
So Corey Duffel would be TM... imagine that...
For some reason, i can see him actually being a decent TM. He's been through EVERYTHING and has been in a van since he was a kid. I bet he'd be able to relate a lot more to skaters than you think. He's older now and probably has some sort of understanding of the logistics of sending people boxes, arranging hotels, flights etc. Also, probably an easier time getting demos. If a TM called a shop and said "Hey, this is Jimmy NewKnees from Asshat Skateboards", you'd probably blow him off, but if it was Corey Duffel, an ex-pro who's career you had seen, you may be a bit more receptive to lining up the demo.
so what you are saying is you have no idea who corey duffel actually is or heard him talk.
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between this interview and the bits and pieces of kotr i have seen this year, i like sinclair more then i used too.
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Hating on Sinclair for pulling in $15 an hour.
He says he started at that and has gotten raises with experience. And that's just with Tum Yeto. He's also a TM for Nike. Between the two of them, I would imagine he does pretty well.
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Hating on Sinclair for pulling in $15 an hour.
He says he started at that and has gotten raises with experience. And that's just with Tum Yeto. He's also a TM for Nike. Between the two of them, I would imagine he does pretty well.
Dude has a house with a back yard in California from what I can tell, which says he's doing pretty good.
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Hating on Sinclair for pulling in $15 an hour.
He says he started at that and has gotten raises with experience. And that's just with Tum Yeto. He's also a TM for Nike. Between the two of them, I would imagine he does pretty well.
Who says this house is paid off? Not hard to get a mortgage.
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Big pink is married,she probably brings in more than 30k
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SINCLAIR RULES
gipper is a big POOSEY
See you at sizzler bitches
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Hating on Sinclair for pulling in $15 an hour.
He says he started at that and has gotten raises with experience. And that's just with Tum Yeto. He's also a TM for Nike. Between the two of them, I would imagine he does pretty well.
Who says this house is paid off? Not hard to get a mortgage.
He can afford the mortgage and hasn’t lost his house, is the point.
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you know fools are fuckin broke boys when they over here mind boggled that some 40 year old fat dude is able to afford his mortgage. stay broke.
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Hating on Sinclair for pulling in $15 an hour.
He says he started at that and has gotten raises with experience. And that's just with Tum Yeto. He's also a TM for Nike. Between the two of them, I would imagine he does pretty well.
Who says this house is paid off? Not hard to get a mortgage.
He can afford the mortgage and hasn’t lost his house, is the point.
On his 9 club he talked about having multiple different jobs he works hard for to support his candy addiction, tum yeto, nike, judges contests does him well. Considering how much money nike has id be surprised if he has an issue getting money, he's worked for them for a couple years and seems to find a bunch of skaters for nikes program.
Also I wish Cole could live off skating but I got so much respect for him when I found out he won real street 2 years in a row and still works at happy hour to support himself.
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Hating on Sinclair for pulling in $15 an hour.
He says he started at that and has gotten raises with experience. And that's just with Tum Yeto. He's also a TM for Nike. Between the two of them, I would imagine he does pretty well.
Who says this house is paid off? Not hard to get a mortgage.
He can afford the mortgage and hasn’t lost his house, is the point.
Surprised to have to say this, but not everywhere in California is nice or prohibitively expensive to live in
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Hating on Sinclair for pulling in $15 an hour.
He says he started at that and has gotten raises with experience. And that's just with Tum Yeto. He's also a TM for Nike. Between the two of them, I would imagine he does pretty well.
Who says this house is paid off? Not hard to get a mortgage.
He can afford the mortgage and hasn’t lost his house, is the point.
that has to be one of the most american things ive read on here hahahah
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gipper is a big POOSEY
See you at sizzler bitches
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Just got around reading this and really enjoyed it. I definitely have some mixed feelings on this part of the interview.
"For example, I still feel that shop decks are making Tum Yeto smaller and smaller. People don’t see how the shop blank or the random local company that has 50 boards for sale will mean there aren’t gonna be any more demos coming through town or your favorite pro isn’t going to get paid by the board company in the future."
So in theory that's great and all, but at the store I work for if I want to buy Tumyeto decks they typically go for $34-$36. They usually don't carry enough product or move fast enough for me to do a large enough order that will get free shipping. So if the store is going to pay $36 for a deck and then pay another 2-3$ per deck shipped where is my profit margin left? Buy a deck for $39 and sell it for $55? Anyone who owns a business knows you aren't paying bills on that.
Then there is shop decks and local brands. I can order 100 shop decks at $16 a pop that locals love and sell them for $40 at a great margin. Local brands typically sell for $30 and will drop off for free shipping and contribute way more to the local skate scene then big brands do on the east coast. I'm not sure what the right answer is and I would love to see them sell more decks and be able to pay there riders, but Sinclair isn't looking at it from a shops perspective.
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Just got around reading this and really enjoyed it. I definitely have some mixed feelings on this part of the interview.
"For example, I still feel that shop decks are making Tum Yeto smaller and smaller. People don’t see how the shop blank or the random local company that has 50 boards for sale will mean there aren’t gonna be any more demos coming through town or your favorite pro isn’t going to get paid by the board company in the future."
So in theory that's great and all, but at the store I work for if I want to buy Tumyeto decks they typically go for $34-$36. They usually don't carry enough product or move fast enough for me to do a large enough order that will get free shipping. So if the store is going to pay $36 for a deck and then pay another 2-3$ per deck shipped where is my profit margin left? Buy a deck for $39 and sell it for $55? Anyone who owns a business knows you aren't paying bills on that.
Then there is shop decks and local brands. I can order 100 shop decks at $16 a pop that locals love and sell them for $40 at a great margin. Local brands typically sell for $30 and will drop off for free shipping and contribute way more to the local skate scene then big brands do on the east coast. I'm not sure what the right answer is and I would love to see them sell more decks and be able to pay there riders, but Sinclair isn't looking at it from a shops perspective.
When was the last time anyone saw a Toy Machine demo "come through town"?
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Hating on Sinclair for pulling in $15 an hour.
He says he started at that and has gotten raises with experience. And that's just with Tum Yeto. He's also a TM for Nike. Between the two of them, I would imagine he does pretty well.
In the interview he did not say it was just tum yeto, Im sure he makes more at tum yeto than when he started, but like I said earlier in the thread, with how much time being a nike tm takes im sure nike is covering most of his salary and tum yeto making up for less than half. So if tum yeto is hurting, I dont think big pink is asking for raises or demanding more money, at this point it i would guess he does it for the love of the brands, not the mediocre pay check he could get elsewhere.
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Pretty positive his role at Nike is not a TM, it's actually "amateur consultant ", whatever that means.
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Just got around reading this and really enjoyed it. I definitely have some mixed feelings on this part of the interview.
"For example, I still feel that shop decks are making Tum Yeto smaller and smaller. People don’t see how the shop blank or the random local company that has 50 boards for sale will mean there aren’t gonna be any more demos coming through town or your favorite pro isn’t going to get paid by the board company in the future."
So in theory that's great and all, but at the store I work for if I want to buy Tumyeto decks they typically go for $34-$36. They usually don't carry enough product or move fast enough for me to do a large enough order that will get free shipping. So if the store is going to pay $36 for a deck and then pay another 2-3$ per deck shipped where is my profit margin left? Buy a deck for $39 and sell it for $55? Anyone who owns a business knows you aren't paying bills on that.
Then there is shop decks and local brands. I can order 100 shop decks at $16 a pop that locals love and sell them for $40 at a great margin. Local brands typically sell for $30 and will drop off for free shipping and contribute way more to the local skate scene then big brands do on the east coast. I'm not sure what the right answer is and I would love to see them sell more decks and be able to pay there riders, but Sinclair isn't looking at it from a shops perspective.
what, are american prices this low (even for cost prize)?
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it's a double edged sword. they both need each other
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it's a double edged sword. they both need each other
That would be a “symbiotic relationship” dingus
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Pretty positive his role at Nike is not a TM, it's actually "amateur consultant ", whatever that means.
He works the casting couch.
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Pretty positive his role at Nike is not a TM, it's actually "amateur consultant ", whatever that means.
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Pretty positive his role at Nike is not a TM, it's actually "amateur consultant ", whatever that means.
New Nike rider: "So Mike, when's the last time you did anal?"
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He was making 30k a year and was trying to shit on someone for being a teacher? Even I make more than that, and my job is far less important.
Yes, I realize he probably makes more than that now, but still.
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it's a double edged sword. they both need each other
That would be a “symbiotic relationship” dingus
faustian bargain? love/ hate relationship?
Who is "they" anyway? Sinclair and the team? Shops and board brands? Swank and Sinclair?
C'mon straight fucking double edge, get it together