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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Bubblegum Tate on November 17, 2009, 11:23:13 AM
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http://www.converseskateboarding.com/cons_ptt_h09.html
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I don't get what's so damn great about the cons skate line, they look like the same shoes they sell in walmart.
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black and gum are on my feet whenever these drop
which is...
tainte?
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There goes the little bit of respect I had left for Thrasher.
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black and gum are on my feet whenever these drop
which is...
tainte?
I heard they are available now :)
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I don't get what's so damn great about the cons skate line, they look like the same shoes they sell in walmart.
I don't know. They look pretty comfy to me.
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i slip in my cork insoles and they have just the right amount of board feel and stability and GRIP that i want from a skate shoe
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I don't get what's so damn great about the cons skate line, they look like the same shoes they sell in walmart.
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There goes the little bit of respect I had left for Thrasher.
Everything (including OG artwork and logos) is up for sale in skateboarding these days. This collabo shit is fucking done.
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I don't get what's so damn great about the cons skate line, they look like the same shoes they sell in walmart.
pretty sure the walmart ones dont have the memory gel shit thats in em. shit is too comfy
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Ok, so slap whores itself to adidas and now thrasher whores itself out to Converse. The large corporations influence continues to seep into skateboarding with no resistance from the industry. Converse was smart, people might actually be fooled into thinking they are a legit company, and not just some corporate nike appendage. Its so ridiculous. Kids are going to be wearing some corporate bullshit in order to get that hardcore look down. So ironic.
If Thrasher is going to be so corporate, they gotta drop that whole image they try to sell of being dark and underground. They aren't, they haven't been for a while, and they aren't moving in that direction.
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There goes the little bit of respect I had left for Thrasher.
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Ok, so slap whores itself to adidas and now thrasher whores itself out to Converse. The large corporations influence continues to seep into skateboarding with no resistance from the industry. Converse was smart, people might actually be fooled into thinking they are a legit company, and not just some corporate nike appendage. Its so ridiculous. Kids are going to be wearing some corporate bullshit in order to get that hardcore look down. So ironic.
If Thrasher is going to be so corporate, they gotta drop that whole image they try to sell of being dark and underground. They aren't, they haven't been for a while, and they aren't moving in that direction.
Whinewhinewhinewhine.
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I was uncertain about converse. But then I seen the team. Cool. But then I seen and got the shoes. Memory foam. Fucking amazing shoes to skate and they look great. I'm stoked.
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If Thrasher is going to be so corporate, they gotta drop that whole image they try to sell of being dark and underground. They aren't, they haven't been for a while, and they aren't moving in that direction.
pretty much how I see it. Thrasher is a bit hypocritical in their mindset... Definitely does not make them appealing at all.
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If Thrasher is going to be so corporate, they gotta drop that whole image they try to sell of being dark and underground. They aren't, they haven't been for a while, and they aren't moving in that direction.
pretty much how I see it. Thrasher is a bit hypocritical in their mindset... Definitely does not make them appealing at all.
like slap and adidas...
i don't care either way. at the end of the day callabos don't effect how i ride my skateboard.
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I don't get what's so damn great about the cons skate line,
there is nothing great about it
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i think im in love
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thrasher-cons-converse-prevent-this-tragedy-sneakers-2-600x338.jpg)
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I'm a little bummed. I never got to see samples, just some bad low res shots. As a result I didn't get those ones because I thought they looked terrible.
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If Thrasher is going to be so corporate, they gotta drop that whole image they try to sell of being dark and underground. They aren't, they haven't been for a while, and they aren't moving in that direction.
pretty much how I see it. Thrasher is a bit hypocritical in their mindset... Definitely does not make them appealing at all.
like slap and adidas...
i don't care either way. at the end of the day callabos don't effect how i ride my skateboard.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter, but that still doesn't mean I have to approve of it
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i think im in love
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thrasher-cons-converse-prevent-this-tragedy-sneakers-2-600x338.jpg)
Here is the better version of those:
(http://www.kateskates.co.uk/productimages/EmericaReynolds3BlkGumWhtLa.jpg)
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Emo dogshit.
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I'm gonna try out the mids.
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wait, aren't slap and thrasher owned by the same company?
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i think im in love
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thrasher-cons-converse-prevent-this-tragedy-sneakers-2-600x338.jpg)
Here is the better version of those:
(http://www.kateskates.co.uk/productimages/EmericaReynolds3BlkGumWhtLa.jpg)
too bad those shoes are nothing alike.
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the shape of reynolds 3s always felt like I was sticking my foot into a baked potato.
I think the cts look good but I've yet to try a pair
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i think im in love
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thrasher-cons-converse-prevent-this-tragedy-sneakers-2-600x338.jpg)
Here is the better version of those:
(http://www.kateskates.co.uk/productimages/EmericaReynolds3BlkGumWhtLa.jpg)
too bad those shoes are nothing alike.
Aren't you one of those guys who won't buy nike? Nike owns cons, what's the difference?
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i think im in love
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thrasher-cons-converse-prevent-this-tragedy-sneakers-2-600x338.jpg)
Here is the better version of those:
(http://www.kateskates.co.uk/productimages/EmericaReynolds3BlkGumWhtLa.jpg)
too bad those shoes are nothing alike.
Aren't you one of those guys who won't buy nike? Nike owns cons, what's the difference?
i buy what i like
i dont buy nikes because they are overpriced, and i avoid shoes made from dead animals. if they made an affordable shoe i liked, i would buy it. converse makes shoes i like, so i have bought a pair, and will probably buy these.
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jack in the box tacos sound so good right now.....
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how do the cts's skate?
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Those Mids are painful on the eyes.
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Everything looks so good in person, can't wait for the pappalardos. Cons is legit.
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Those Mids are painful on the eyes.
Blasphemy!!!
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Trasher will take a big collab like that, and why not? They've got to be struggling as core print mags are in decline. I'm sure a big fat Nike cash shot in the arm is gonna go down nicely with Phelps and all.
Shoes are alright, but with so many nowadays, all quite generic and can't really get too excited about any of them. They are only shoes after all.
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Everything looks so good in person, can't wait for the pappalardos. Cons is legit.
good for you
I don't give a shit about shoe companies, gimme a cool shoe!
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very well
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jack in the box tacos sound so good right now.....
What?!? No they don't!
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I have had two pairs of CTS one low and one mid, I can say they are some of my favorite skate shoes. I look forward to getting some of the Thrasher mids.
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jack in the box tacos sound so good right now.....
What?!? No they don't!
when you're baked, pretty much anything for 99 cents sounds amazing.
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jack in the box tacos sound so good right now.....
What?!? No they don't!
when you're baked, pretty much anything for 99 cents sounds amazing.
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how do the cts's skate?
SOOOO GOOD.
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awesome.
i will wear these with my CCS x Thrasher jeans and my fourstar x Thrasher tee....
yikes.
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awesome.
i will wear these with my CCS x Thrasher jeans and my fourstar x Thrasher tee....
yikes.
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how do the cts's skate?
like a fuckin shoe. why do people constantly ask this question
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Black/gum cts, dope!
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I don't get what's so damn great about the cons skate line, they look like the same shoes they sell in walmart.
Those shoes from walmart are nice.
They have good board feel.
But no grip.
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awesome.
i will wear these with my CCS x Thrasher jeans and my fourstar x Thrasher tee....
yikes.
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How does ccs bum you out more than converse?
Gerwer's nose- what people like so much are the fact that they are converse. Kids today have become whores to large corporations that get involved in skating. Its fucking pathetic.
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i think im in love
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thrasher-cons-converse-prevent-this-tragedy-sneakers-2-600x338.jpg)
was just about to post that up. black gum is gorgeous
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i think im in love
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thrasher-cons-converse-prevent-this-tragedy-sneakers-2-600x338.jpg)
was just about to post that up. black gum is gorgeous
Too bad they are canvas.
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Gipper.... the fact that nike makes skate shoes does not affect my, or anyone else's skateboarding.
and back on topic, if anyone finds an online shop selling the black/gum cts's..........
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cons are some of the most comfy shoes ive ever worn.
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FUCK THEY MAY HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF WITH FUCKING SKETCHERS !!
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i think im in love
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thrasher-cons-converse-prevent-this-tragedy-sneakers-2-600x338.jpg)
was just about to post that up. black gum is gorgeous
stoked they are canvas.
and the lack of rummer toecap makes them look so good
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i think im in love
(http://www.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thrasher-cons-converse-prevent-this-tragedy-sneakers-2-600x338.jpg)
was just about to post that up. black gum is gorgeous
stoked they are canvas.
and the lack of rummer toecap makes them look so good
i think we might be soulmates
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awesome.
i will wear these with my CCS x Thrasher jeans and my fourstar x Thrasher tee....
yikes.
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How does ccs bum you out more than converse?
Gerwer's nose- what people like so much are the fact that they are converse. Kids today have become whores to large corporations that get involved in skating. Its fucking pathetic.
You've read the back cover synopsis of No Logo and now think you're Che Guevara. Non skate brands wouldn't have any sort of foothold in the market unless either they were doing something right, or their competition was doing something wrong. I would argue that Nike were able to overcome massive hurdles in the skate market simply because they offered better product*. It is hard for me to feel sorry for 'legit' skate shoe companies when they do such stupid things. DC have been making money hand over fist for ten years now, and they don't seem to have invested any of it back into market research or product development. Instead we get bloated photo shoots of Drydek in an anti gravity chamber. Sole Tech blew it big time 3 years ago after hubris got the better of them, and there has been little effort to rebuild. Etnies is a complete write off, and there is a new generation who won't touch éS.
Although not a skate shoe company, Vans have really fucked up with the new triangle sole/flimsy suede skate line. And you also have to take into account that even when there was no money flying around people still wore shit like Airwalk and Osiris.
Give a highschool drop-out money and they'll immediately spend it on booze, drugs and expensive cars in a vulgar display of Nouveau riche tastelessness.
*not counting the SB 'collectors market' - which only really got going around 2005 - but when you think about it that is such a clever marketing move
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yeah i dont fully understand why people are bummed on shoe companys making shoes, i support the skateboard industry by buying skateboards and skate videos, so i dont see how buying a pair of converse(shoes ive worn since i was a kid) is bad. i mean what if nike and converse started bashing emerica and lakai for trying to cash in on their shoe industry????
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how do the cts's skate?
They skate like any other shoe - you put them on your feet and then you ride your skateboard.
I hope that helps.
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if anyone knows a place i can preorder or buy those black gum cts hit me up. i have to have them. no seriously, i need them so bad. how do cons fit in size? say, to an adidas busenitz pro
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the black/gums are ethan fowler's design. Even more stoked on them now.
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if anyone knows a place i can preorder or buy those black gum cts hit me up. i have to have them. no seriously, i need them so bad. how do cons fit in size? say, to an adidas busenitz pro
i wear a 9 in most shoes, and i wear a 8.5 in cons and the non-skate chucks. i also have a small wide foot, so the skate ones fit too tight at first.
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J Rog et. al. My statement is barely political, if at all. Just know, that when you are out there thinking you look all cool and rebellious in your converse X thrasher shoes, a lot of people are laughing at you for wearing a shoe that a huge corporation made for the purpose of having a rebellious image. A LOT of people are laughing at you.
Oh, also J Rog, no logo ain't shit. If you want to really read something that will show you how fucked the fashion industry is read "behind the label" by Edna Bonacich and Richard Appelbaum. But again, this is not political. Nike can go and make shit for whoever they want. But if a skateboarder wears nike, converse, or any of those brands, I instantly think they are some lame kid who started skating because he watched the x-games and played THPS, or a greedy pro in it for the money, and lose a shitload of respect for them. Y'all can argue that these brands and the people who support them are good or cool, but they aren't in any way, and deserve mockery for just not fucking getting it. I find it shocking that thrasher doesn't get it, or cares that much about money that they are willing to ignore everything they have ever claimed just to get some ad revenue. And if thrasher people read me saying this, and get all mad, don't kill the messenger, I guarantee I am not the only one who saw this and instantly thought "wow, thrasher sucks now." Nice decision Phelps, hope the money was worth it.
So keep arguing that pro-nike, pro-converse, pro-adidas argument. You'll never win it with somebody who respects skateboarding's unique culture, you'll just keep proving how lame you are.
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(http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2001_Dogtown_and_Z-Boys/tony_alva_dogtown_and_z-boys_003.jpg)
(it's actually difficult to find photos of Jay Adams and Duane Peters wearing adidas/cons in the internets. so I gave up)
(oh, and Gonz)
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(http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2001_Dogtown_and_Z-Boys/tony_alva_dogtown_and_z-boys_003.jpg)
(it's actually difficult to find photos of Jay Adams and Duane Peters wearing adidas/cons in the internets. so I gave up)
(oh, and Gonz)
(That argument has been pulled several times. As soon as real skate shoe companies existed, nobody wore nikes anymore. Again, you can argue all you want, its not going to change the fact that as soon as you strap those shoes on, there are of people who are going to laugh at you.)
(You started skating since nike sb was started and don't realize that they didn't give a shit about skating until the 2000's, because it was profitable, did you?)
(oh, and why are we using parenthesis?)
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Colin McKay skating in Pumas in Virtual Reality, and there are probably other examples of Lavar Mcbride and the EMB consort skating in shell toes or Clydes back in 93 - 95. Gonz has been riding adidas since forever, and what makes a skate shoe company? Etnies sponsors motor x and you can find es and emerica on mall bargain tables.
*puff*
I watched the whole nike thing unfold. i read that anti nike article in the last big brother. i dont get your argument. do legit skate shoe companies make shoes out of the goodness of their heart?
*exhale*
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Colin McKay skating in Pumas in Virtual Reality, and there are probably other examples of Lavar Mcbride and the EMB consort skating in shell toes or Clydes back in 93 - 95. Gonz has been riding adidas since forever, and what makes a skate shoe company? Etnies sponsors motor x and you can find es and emerica on mall bargain tables.
*puff*
I watched the whole nike thing unfold. i read that anti nike article in the last big brother. i dont get your argument. do legit skate shoe companies make shoes out of the goodness of their heart?
*exhale*
First of all, all of those examples are 93 and earlier, but whatever. You are just too young to remember a time when you could tell who another skater was just by looking at his shoes, and are one of many stupid little kids who doesn't understand how lame a dude on a skateboard looks with that shit on his feet. People are laughing at you, no matter how many rationalizations you can come up with about people wearing that shit 20 years ago when companies that only catered to skaters didn't really exist. If you want to shell out a ton of money to look like some corporate whore, go ahead, just realize, a lot of people think you are a kook, no matter how you rationalize it. Its sad to see a scene that was once really cool and independent turn into a bunch of fashion obsessed little bitches who need mainstream brands to legitimize them.
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these big shoe companies make shoes that skate better than 95% of "core" skate brands shoes. that's just the way it is.
as a consumer you have the right to buy the superior product and if Nike and Adidas skate shoes are the superior product then so be it.
Nike gets larger and the quality is still top notch while companies like DC get larger and the quality goes to shit. not my fault dunks skate better than a shitty pair of Osiris South Bronx.
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Colin McKay skating in Pumas in Virtual Reality, and there are probably other examples of Lavar Mcbride and the EMB consort skating in shell toes or Clydes back in 93 - 95. Gonz has been riding adidas since forever, and what makes a skate shoe company? Etnies sponsors motor x and you can find es and emerica on mall bargain tables.
*puff*
I watched the whole nike thing unfold. i read that anti nike article in the last big brother. i dont get your argument. do legit skate shoe companies make shoes out of the goodness of their heart?
*exhale*
First of all, all of those examples are 93 and earlier, but whatever. You are just too young to remember a time when you could tell who another skater was just by looking at his shoes, and are one of many stupid little kids who doesn't understand how lame a dude on a skateboard looks with that shit on his feet. People are laughing at you, no matter how many rationalizations you can come up with about people wearing that shit 20 years ago when companies that only catered to skaters didn't really exist. If you want to shell out a ton of money to look like some corporate whore, go ahead, just realize, a lot of people think you are a kook, no matter how you rationalize it. Its sad to see a scene that was once really cool and independent turn into a bunch of fashion obsessed little bitches who need mainstream brands to legitimize them.
You know what man, you are right! Fashions don't last forever, and when Nike and cons aren't cool any more you can stand back and say "ha ha! i fucking told you so! I liked that band before you did!"
Lakai or DIE - are you a bad enough dude to save the the president?
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I've been a part of skateboarding since '84 and a shop owner since '92. What's missing from this argument about what's cool or core or acceptable is that almost all of the "core" skate shoe companies sold out the skate shops as soon as they got the chance. Lakai, DVS and many more are in Eastbay. The name of the DVS "core" line is ORIGINAL INTENT! - as in our original intent was to make skate shoes, but we saw how much we could make in Wakeboarding, Motorcross and God knows what else. If that's not a slap in the face of shops than I don't know what is. Every "core" brand started rebuilding their teams and becoming involved with shops again when they realized the Mega Corporations started doing a better job supporting shops than they were. I watched multiple brands that were "core" expand distribution that took shops from destination locations to just another place to buy skate shoes, but wasn't as convenient to get to as the mall or the internet.
I notice that some of the previous posts were about how lame you look wearing Cons or Nike or Adidas which, as we all know, is really the most important reason used when picking out what skate shoes you buy.
This is not an argument that can be won or lost.
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if anyone knows a place i can preorder or buy those black gum cts hit me up. i have to have them. no seriously, i need them so bad. how do cons fit in size? say, to an adidas busenitz pro
i wear a 9 in most shoes, and i wear a 8.5 in cons and the non-skate chucks. i also have a small wide foot, so the skate ones fit too tight at first.
i wear an 11 in the busenitz, and a 10 in the cts and regular chucks.
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anyones shop get these in yet?
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I've been a part of skateboarding since '84 and a shop owner since '92. What's missing from this argument about what's cool or core or acceptable is that almost all of the "core" skate shoe companies sold out the skate shops as soon as they got the chance. Lakai, DVS and many more are in Eastbay. The name of the DVS "core" line is ORIGINAL INTENT! - as in our original intent was to make skate shoes, but we saw how much we could make in Wakeboarding, Motorcross and God knows what else. If that's not a slap in the face of shops than I don't know what is. Every "core" brand started rebuilding their teams and becoming involved with shops again when they realized the Mega Corporations started doing a better job supporting shops than they were. I watched multiple brands that were "core" expand distribution that took shops from destination locations to just another place to buy skate shoes, but wasn't as convenient to get to as the mall or the internet.
I notice that some of the previous posts were about how lame you look wearing Cons or Nike or Adidas which, as we all know, is really the most important reason used when picking out what skate shoes you buy.
This is not an argument that can be won or lost.
This is an argument that has to be won, where you and your lively hood are concerned. The Vans, Adio's, Ipath's, DC's, Volcom's and Element's questionable distribution choices have over the last 4 years been guided by analyst and shareholders demand for growth and profitability. And all the while Zumiez and PacSun (also publicly traded companies) have squeezed their suppliers for greater margins and marketing dollars. All the while independent retailers like yourself, get squeezed. The "foot lockering" of skate shops has to be worrying to the "authentic" skate shoe manufacturer's. Or at least i would hope so.
The publicly traded companies that do business in skateboarding are faced with the same economic challenges that effect all large corporations today. The need for increased revenue, reduction of expenses, and increase of overall profitability. How these companies do it is the million dollar question. Is it by reducing marketing budget. And don't forget that your favorite pro's all fall into some companies ever shrinking marketing budget, as do the tours that roll through town and the video's that get produced. Is it by making more, even crazier distribution decisions (department stores etc). This wackiness has already ensued. Nordstrom, Macy's, etc. they are stocking skate brands.
The question for independent skate retailers has to be, what am i going to stock and get the maximum return for MY investment? What products am i going to stock and is that company going to SUPPORT me? It's not even a question of whether it's from an "athletic"based brand or an "authentic" skate brand. You have to stock products that are going to enable YOU to make a living and keep the door open.
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I've been a part of skateboarding since '84 and a shop owner since '92. What's missing from this argument about what's cool or core or acceptable is that almost all of the "core" skate shoe companies sold out the skate shops as soon as they got the chance. Lakai, DVS and many more are in Eastbay. The name of the DVS "core" line is ORIGINAL INTENT! - as in our original intent was to make skate shoes, but we saw how much we could make in Wakeboarding, Motorcross and God knows what else. If that's not a slap in the face of shops than I don't know what is. Every "core" brand started rebuilding their teams and becoming involved with shops again when they realized the Mega Corporations started doing a better job supporting shops than they were. I watched multiple brands that were "core" expand distribution that took shops from destination locations to just another place to buy skate shoes, but wasn't as convenient to get to as the mall or the internet.
I notice that some of the previous posts were about how lame you look wearing Cons or Nike or Adidas which, as we all know, is really the most important reason used when picking out what skate shoes you buy.
This is not an argument that can be won or lost.
This is an argument that has to be won, where you and your lively hood are concerned. The Vans, Adio's, Ipath's, DC's, Volcom's and Element's questionable distribution choices have over the last 4 years been guided by analyst and shareholders demand for growth and profitability. And all the while Zumiez and PacSun (also publicly traded companies) have squeezed their suppliers for greater margins and marketing dollars. All the while independent retailers like yourself, get squeezed. The "foot lockering" of skate shops has to be worrying to the "authentic" skate shoe manufacturer's. Or at least i would hope so.
The publicly traded companies that do business in skateboarding are faced with the same economic challenges that effect all large corporations today. The need for increased revenue, reduction of expenses, and increase of overall profitability. How these companies do it is the million dollar question. Is it by reducing marketing budget. And don't forget that your favorite pro's all fall into some companies ever shrinking marketing budget, as do the tours that roll through town and the video's that get produced. Is it by making more, even crazier distribution decisions (department stores etc). This wackiness has already ensued. Nordstrom, Macy's, etc. they are stocking skate brands.
The question for independent skate retailers has to be, what am i going to stock and get the maximum return for MY investment? What products am i going to stock and is that company going to SUPPORT me? It's not even a question of whether it's from an "athletic"based brand or an "authentic" skate brand. You have to stock products that are going to enable YOU to make a living and keep the door open.
That is exactly my point. I stock the brands that support our shop, scene and city. It's not black and white anymore, and hasn't been for the past 4 or 5 years. I'll admit I was steadfast against the major brands, in the beginning, but then witnessed the greed of the "authentic" brands. How much was enough? The answer is... it's never enough. It was then I realized there isn't much difference between most of the authentic and athletic shoe companies. The economics of retail are completely understood on my part and I don't in the least bit feel compromised by stocking Nike and Adidas alongside Emerica and Lakai. Just as Businitz and Koston don't feel compromised wearing them. Skateboarding isn't what it was 10 years ago or 5 years ago for that matter. Skateboarders are making this decision for all retailers and manufacturers, Janoski's and Businitz's shoes are selling extremely well. I'd say half of the "core" guys on this message board have rock one or the other.
I meant the argument can't be won or lost online, but the war will be waged for quite a few more years.....or at least until Zumies, CCS retail stores and Vans stores get rid of all of us pesky independent skate shops.
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Who cares? Buy what you like.
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I've read this argument on here too many times to really argue either side but...Nike's vulcanized sole skates really, really well.
Just know, that when you are out there thinking you look all cool and rebellious in your converse X thrasher shoes, a lot of people are laughing at you for wearing a shoe that a huge corporation made for the purpose of having a rebellious image. A LOT of people are laughing at you.
I don't believe this for a second. depending where you live maybe three or four people are laughing at you for wearing corporate shoes, but "A LOT" in capitals is a stretch. Shoes are just shoes. Half the time I buy shoes form marshals or ross anyways. It all goes back to that "blah blah blah won't change the act of me rolling around on my skateboard" argument that gets brought up so often on here.
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either way. i'm getting 2 of those shoes
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It sucks to support the jock brands. But the shoes just skate SO damn good. I'm sorry but es, vans, lakai and emerica have nothing on a pair of nikes, adidas, or cons. They just don't. And until they step up their games I'm not going to buy there shitty ass shoes. The "core" skate brands need to really get their shit together.
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It's just a fucking logo, they all still get stitched together by exploited workers in China.
Having worn and skated skate shoes for the past 15 years, I can honestly say the best pairs I've ever worn are a pair of suede Cons circa 1998 and my current pairs of Nikes.
Worst pairs were Vans and DC circa 2001.
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people care though. "Koston on Nike?!?" ran for 1700 pages. arto caught wearing geoffs vans made every mags news section.
First of all, all of those examples are 93 and earlier, but whatever.
Your hero Penny skating in adidas during the tour footage in Really Sorry (would have been around the time he had his first shoe on es)
Apples being snapped in a pair of Nike frees (this year)
Mark Johnson skating in everything from adidas to nike during Man Down (he was also skating nike running shoes during an Emerica tour!)
Dustin skating in dress shoes/cowboy boots in his Epicly Later'd
Just know, that when you are out there thinking you look all cool and rebellious in your converse X thrasher shoes, a lot of people are laughing at you for wearing a shoe that a huge corporation made for the purpose of having a rebellious image. A LOT of people are laughing at you.
Is that your driving force? Like Thrashin' directed by Larry Clark? :-\ Calling someone a poser as soon as they try and affect a look says more about you than it does about them. Guys who bought the Slap colab weren't thinking that they were James Dean.
You said once that anyone who didn't understand P-Rod didn't understand skateboarding. And P-Rod is the biggest corporate whore there is.
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boulala skating clogs and cowboyboots
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I've been a part of skateboarding since '84 and a shop owner since '92. What's missing from this argument about what's cool or core or acceptable is that almost all of the "core" skate shoe companies sold out the skate shops as soon as they got the chance. Lakai, DVS and many more are in Eastbay. The name of the DVS "core" line is ORIGINAL INTENT! - as in our original intent was to make skate shoes, but we saw how much we could make in Wakeboarding, Motorcross and God knows what else. If that's not a slap in the face of shops than I don't know what is. Every "core" brand started rebuilding their teams and becoming involved with shops again when they realized the Mega Corporations started doing a better job supporting shops than they were. I watched multiple brands that were "core" expand distribution that took shops from destination locations to just another place to buy skate shoes, but wasn't as convenient to get to as the mall or the internet.
I notice that some of the previous posts were about how lame you look wearing Cons or Nike or Adidas which, as we all know, is really the most important reason used when picking out what skate shoes you buy.
This is not an argument that can be won or lost.
This is an argument that has to be won, where you and your lively hood are concerned. The Vans, Adio's, Ipath's, DC's, Volcom's and Element's questionable distribution choices have over the last 4 years been guided by analyst and shareholders demand for growth and profitability. And all the while Zumiez and PacSun (also publicly traded companies) have squeezed their suppliers for greater margins and marketing dollars. All the while independent retailers like yourself, get squeezed. The "foot lockering" of skate shops has to be worrying to the "authentic" skate shoe manufacturer's. Or at least i would hope so.
The publicly traded companies that do business in skateboarding are faced with the same economic challenges that effect all large corporations today. The need for increased revenue, reduction of expenses, and increase of overall profitability. How these companies do it is the million dollar question. Is it by reducing marketing budget. And don't forget that your favorite pro's all fall into some companies ever shrinking marketing budget, as do the tours that roll through town and the video's that get produced. Is it by making more, even crazier distribution decisions (department stores etc). This wackiness has already ensued. Nordstrom, Macy's, etc. they are stocking skate brands.
The question for independent skate retailers has to be, what am i going to stock and get the maximum return for MY investment? What products am i going to stock and is that company going to SUPPORT me? It's not even a question of whether it's from an "athletic"based brand or an "authentic" skate brand. You have to stock products that are going to enable YOU to make a living and keep the door open.
That is exactly my point. I stock the brands that support our shop, scene and city. It's not black and white anymore, and hasn't been for the past 4 or 5 years. I'll admit I was steadfast against the major brands, in the beginning, but then witnessed the greed of the "authentic" brands. How much was enough? The answer is... it's never enough. It was then I realized there isn't much difference between most of the authentic and athletic shoe companies. The economics of retail are completely understood on my part and I don't in the least bit feel compromised by stocking Nike and Adidas alongside Emerica and Lakai. Just as Businitz and Koston don't feel compromised wearing them. Skateboarding isn't what it was 10 years ago or 5 years ago for that matter. Skateboarders are making this decision for all retailers and manufacturers, Janoski's and Businitz's shoes are selling extremely well. I'd say half of the "core" guys on this message board have rock one or the other.
I meant the argument can't be won or lost online, but the war will be waged for quite a few more years.....or at least until Zumies, CCS retail stores and Vans stores get rid of all of us pesky independent skate shops.
Voice of reason. Finally. Thanks.
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boulala skating clogs and cowboyboots
i was meaning to include that. he also skated in red chuck tayors for a few tricks in sorry
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ohhhh gipper. i'm looking at the original converse factory from my window. do i mind wearing converse, or nike and adidas for that matter? nope, not at all. do i care that a small percentage of people(you and beer wizard) are "making fun of me"? nope, not at all. like it or not, the quality control is there, people are getting payed what they deserve, "core" brands are reaching to the world outside of skateboarding, these big corporations help keep legit shops in business, vans didn't start out a skate shoe company either, etc. times are a changing. who are you to say that these "lame" kids are in it just for the $$$ and aren't lifers?
j rog you forgot to add the picture of reynolds wearing air max's and herman wearing classics
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how do the cts's skate?
they look like they are stitched the same way as chucks and one stars. painful as hell just to walk in unless you have ballerina feet. a whole generation is going to grow up with varicose veins
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Shredorbread....Try a pair of Cons on. There is a huge difference between regular chucks and cts. Much more durable as well.
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It's funny how this thread has turned into them defending why they wear this shit. It wasn't even about that. It was about how shitty it is that a magazine is letting itself be essentially bought out by a corporate shoe company. Y'all got guilty consciences knowing that you are part of the generation that is making skating cheesy.
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Thrasher is paid to advertise Nike, Converse, and Adidas on a monthly basis.
Lowcard throws an Adidas ad on the back of every issue.
They're magazines.
They want to sell copies of the Prevent This Tragedy DVD (which was probably given that title in order to sell old boxes of Prevent This Tragedy shirts that weren't selling anyway), and Converse probably offered this to them. I'd be more pissed about them collaborating with CCS, personally.
CCS... Converse... Same corporate shit. You should feel just as pissed about both. Getting your footlocker shoes from.... footlocker!
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Non skate brands wouldn't have any sort of foothold in the market unless either they were doing something right, or their competition was doing something wrong. I would argue that Nike were able to overcome massive hurdles in the skate market simply because they offered better product*. It is hard for me to feel sorry for 'legit' skate shoe companies when they do such stupid things.
No. It's called economies of scale, whereas firms face increasing returns to scale so that if they double inputs, their output more than doubles. Nike caters to a much larger base than just skaters, hence they are able to be much larger in size than a company like Lakai. Because they are so much larger, they are able to increase efficiency in ways that a smaller company (like one that only sells to skaters) can't. Thus they are able to offer better products at a lower price than core brands. The core brands themselves are doing nothing wrong, they simply can't expand because they are in such a narrow market.
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Thrasher is paid to advertise Nike, Converse, and Adidas on a monthly basis.
Lowcard throws an Adidas ad on the back of every issue.
They're magazines.
They want to sell copies of the Prevent This Tragedy DVD (which was probably given that title in order to sell old boxes of Prevent This Tragedy shirts that weren't selling anyway), and Converse probably offered this to them. I'd be more pissed about them collaborating with CCS, personally.
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Why? CCS sells skateboards and skateboard shoes. They have been involved with sponsoring skaters longer than Converse has, whether or not they are cheesy. They have been in the business of providing those who want to skateboard with the tools to do so, just as Nike, Converse, and Adidas have been providing people with shoes to skateboard in. (However minus Adidas and their love for Gonz, these shoe companies have not done a damn thing for skateboarding or providing skaters with a living until the past 5-8 years. Which is why a lot of people have a problem with them entering the skateboard world, they just saw an opportunity to suck the life out of the companies who were built upon skateboarding and leave them with nothing.)
I also think a lot of you are fooled into thinking that the skaters who skate for Nike, Converse and Adidas are making a lot more money than those who skate for the "skate" shoe companies. They don't, unless you are P-Rod, Janoski, Salazar, Busenitz and maybe a couple of others. However, where were they in the 80's, 90's and early 00's? They could have been helping out, but they weren't. Just b/c people skated in them in the past, does not mean the companies gave a shit about helping skateboarding grow and provide legitimacy to the sport/activity/art.
I used to skate in SB's and then realized they were no better than any other skate shoe company (someone try and prove me otherwise with a legitimate comparison) and so I quit buying them.
Skateboarding is dying, and it isn't due to Nike, Adidas, and Converse...it is just pretty stale and lame, but fun for me so I continue doing it.
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Thrasher is paid to advertise Nike, Converse, and Adidas on a monthly basis.
Lowcard throws an Adidas ad on the back of every issue.
They're magazines.
They want to sell copies of the Prevent This Tragedy DVD (which was probably given that title in order to sell old boxes of Prevent This Tragedy shirts that weren't selling anyway), and Converse probably offered this to them. I'd be more pissed about them collaborating with CCS, personally.
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Why? CCS sells skateboards and skateboard shoes. They have been involved with sponsoring skaters longer than Converse has, whether or not they are cheesy. They have been in the business of providing those who want to skateboard with the tools to do so, just as Nike, Converse, and Adidas have been providing people with shoes to skateboard in. (However minus Adidas and their love for Gonz, these shoe companies have not done a damn thing for skateboarding or providing skaters with a living until the past 5-8 years. Which is why a lot of people have a problem with them entering the skateboard world, they just saw an opportunity to suck the life out of the companies who were built upon skateboarding and leave them with nothing.)
I also think a lot of you are fooled into thinking that the skaters who skate for Nike, Converse and Adidas are making a lot more money than those who skate for the "skate" shoe companies. They don't, unless you are P-Rod, Janoski, Salazar, Busenitz and maybe a couple of others. However, where were they in the 80's, 90's and early 00's? They could have been helping out, but they weren't. Just b/c people skated in them in the past, does not mean the companies gave a shit about helping skateboarding grow and provide legitimacy to the sport/activity/art.
I used to skate in SB's and then realized they were no better than any other skate shoe company (someone try and prove me otherwise with a legitimate comparison) and so I quit buying them.
Skateboarding is dying, and it isn't due to Nike, Adidas, and Converse...it is just pretty stale and lame, but fun for me so I continue doing it.
CCS was bought by Footlocker.
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Thrasher is paid to advertise Nike, Converse, and Adidas on a monthly basis.
Lowcard throws an Adidas ad on the back of every issue.
They're magazines.
They want to sell copies of the Prevent This Tragedy DVD (which was probably given that title in order to sell old boxes of Prevent This Tragedy shirts that weren't selling anyway), and Converse probably offered this to them. I'd be more pissed about them collaborating with CCS, personally.
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Why? CCS sells skateboards and skateboard shoes. They have been involved with sponsoring skaters longer than Converse has, whether or not they are cheesy. They have been in the business of providing those who want to skateboard with the tools to do so, just as Nike, Converse, and Adidas have been providing people with shoes to skateboard in. (However minus Adidas and their love for Gonz, these shoe companies have not done a damn thing for skateboarding or providing skaters with a living until the past 5-8 years. Which is why a lot of people have a problem with them entering the skateboard world, they just saw an opportunity to suck the life out of the companies who were built upon skateboarding and leave them with nothing.)
I also think a lot of you are fooled into thinking that the skaters who skate for Nike, Converse and Adidas are making a lot more money than those who skate for the "skate" shoe companies. They don't, unless you are P-Rod, Janoski, Salazar, Busenitz and maybe a couple of others. However, where were they in the 80's, 90's and early 00's? They could have been helping out, but they weren't. Just b/c people skated in them in the past, does not mean the companies gave a shit about helping skateboarding grow and provide legitimacy to the sport/activity/art.
I used to skate in SB's and then realized they were no better than any other skate shoe company (someone try and prove me otherwise with a legitimate comparison) and so I quit buying them.
Skateboarding is dying, and it isn't due to Nike, Adidas, and Converse...it is just pretty stale and lame, but fun for me so I continue doing it.
CCS was bought by Footlocker.
I know, I was just stating that to show that there is not any difference, except that one is a manufacturer and one is a retailer. I actually like CCS a little better b/c they have provided a why for those without a local shop to buy product and have allowed skateboard companies to sell their products to areas where they would otherwise never reach. I also dislike them b/c of the idiots that buy from them instead of going to their local skateshop, not sure whose fault that is.
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in the end "core" brands don't give a fuck about us, its all business.
every bro and their mother wears lakai's and whatever else; niggas in my hood have more vans than i do.
in our consumerist society, before we're skateboarders, we're consumers. its been like that for centuries and as long as we put up with it we'll see blazers and chucks in skateboarding and era's and authentics in the malls.
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in the end "core" brands don't give a fuck about us, its all business.
every bro and their mother wears lakai's and whatever else; niggas in my hood have more vans than i do.
in our consumerist society, before we're skateboarders, we're consumers. its been like that for centuries and as long as we put up with it we'll see blazers and chucks in skateboarding and era's and authentics in the malls.
Maybe, but if skating were to die today, it would really be no sweat off of Nike, Adidas and Converse's backs. They have every other mainstream sport to fall back on, but the "Core" companies would disappear in an instant. Nike, Adidas, and Converse would then have everyone buying their Blazers, Chucks, and Campus' from your athletic shoe store b/c that is all that would be left for you to choose. It is like Wal-Mart and Home Depot replacing the smaller stores and putting them out of business leaving you with a one stop shop for your needs. I understand that they are brilliant business minded companies like Nike, Converse, and Adidas, but it will suck when it actually does happen.
Where in the hell do you live where every bro and their mother wears Lakai, seriously.
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in the end "core" brands don't give a fuck about us, its all business.
every bro and their mother wears lakai's and whatever else; niggas in my hood have more vans than i do.
in our consumerist society, before we're skateboarders, we're consumers. its been like that for centuries and as long as we put up with it we'll see blazers and chucks in skateboarding and era's and authentics in the malls.
Which is why we shouldn't put up with it. I'll never support that shit. People need to start thinking about where their money goes, at least in the skateboarding industry if they care about skateboarding. If you truly love the essence of skateboarding you should support brands owned by those with the same sentiment. Once you try to make a living off of doing what you love, you'll see how corrupt it is that some cliche man in a suit is trying to cash in off of your passion. Half the people who read this will be like "fuck this kook I like how nikes look and shit." But I guarantee you those same people will eventually quit skating.
This new age of mainstream skaters is so god damned concerned about looking hip, which is probably why they started skating in the first place.
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Who gives a fuck if it's core or not? If you like the logo, it fits well, and skates good, then fucking use it.
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Who gives a fuck if it's core or not? If you like the logo, it fits well, and skates good, then fucking use it.
Point proven?
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People need to start thinking about where their money goes, at least in the skateboarding industry if they care about skateboarding. If you truly love the essence of skateboarding you should support brands owned by those with the same sentiment.
First of all some say a lot of our money goes to black ops secret government so fuck off with care where your money goes. My money goes on my feet.
The essence of skateboarding? What "core" companies support the essence of skateboarding? We talk about "their" videos all the time. We talk about "their" ads all the time. Are "they" not detracting from the essence of skateboarding? My favorite fucking company growing up doesn't even do any of their videos or ads the same, "they" fucking suck. The skaters who skate for "them" are cool. But, the only essence "they" represent is what? COTG, I'm borrowing your word, but fagotry. Core companies need to step it up, and be fucking "CORE".
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Who gives a fuck if it's core or not? If you like the logo, it fits well, and skates good, then fucking use it.
I mean if it comes down to it, why should I buy a skateboard that is $50 and from Anti-Hero and not a blank that I can get for $10-15? I mean they are both gonna eventually break, have almost identical shapes, and one isn't going to make me a better skater. The whole idea of Anti-Hero, Zero, Krooked, Slave, DGK, etc... are just a core image that someone thought up to help sell boards, just like skateboard shoes and clothes. To those of you who buy a Deluxe board but skate Nike, Converse, or Adidas are just as much of a sucker as the guy who buys Emerica's, Es', Lakai, Vans thinking they are being core skateboarders, in the end we have all been fooled by marketing and should be skating blanks, Keds, generic trucks, blank wheels and random bearings. However some of us like having skateboarding being supported by an industry that gives back to those who produce footage and get us hyped even more to go out and skate. If it weren't for these "skate" companies your favorite skaters would have never had a chance to inspire you without having to have 1,2, or 3 jobs to make ends meet. They took us to where we are.
p.s. the economy hasn't helped this very much either.
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Where in the hell do you live where every bro and their mother wears Lakai, seriously.
must be a canadian thing. 75% of the canadain population are snowboarders, and its well known that snowboarders been jockin our style since genesis.
thses statistics prove that 75% of canada wears skatebrands.
Which is why we shouldn't put up with it. I'll never support that shit. People need to start thinking about where their money goes, at least in the skateboarding industry if they care about skateboarding. If you truly love the essence of skateboarding you should support brands owned by those with the same sentiment. Once you try to make a living off of doing what you love, you'll see how corrupt it is that some cliche man in a suit is trying to cash in off of your passion. Half the people who read this will be like "fuck this kook I like how nikes look and shit." But I guarantee you those same people will eventually quit skating.
This new age of mainstream skaters is so god damned concerned about looking hip, which is probably why they started skating in the first place.
i agree with much of what you say. but as skateboarding gets older, it seems as if fewer and fewer skatebrands are focusing soley on skaters. although their original intentions were to make shoes for skaters, by skaters; its apparent that their looking for more profitable routes. the man in the suit is slowly running the entire industry, if he isn't already.
i honestly think this issue goes beyond skateboarding itself. it has a lot to do with capitalism and profitability and all of that shit.
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Where in the hell do you live where every bro and their mother wears Lakai, seriously.
must be a canadian thing. 75% of the canadain population are snowboarders, and its well known that snowboarders been jockin our style since genesis.
thses statistics prove that 75% of canada wears skatebrands.
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Which is why we shouldn't put up with it. I'll never support that shit. People need to start thinking about where their money goes, at least in the skateboarding industry if they care about skateboarding. If you truly love the essence of skateboarding you should support brands owned by those with the same sentiment. Once you try to make a living off of doing what you love, you'll see how corrupt it is that some cliche man in a suit is trying to cash in off of your passion. Half the people who read this will be like "fuck this kook I like how nikes look and shit." But I guarantee you those same people will eventually quit skating.
This new age of mainstream skaters is so god damned concerned about looking hip, which is probably why they started skating in the first place.
i agree with much of what you say. but as skateboarding gets older, it seems as if fewer and fewer skatebrands are focusing soley on skaters. although their original intentions were to make shoes for skaters, by skaters; its apparent that their looking for more profitable routes. the man in the suit is slowly running the entire industry, if he isn't already.
i honestly think this issue goes beyond skateboarding itself. it has a lot to do with capitalism and profitability and all of that shit.
Agreed... I don't like it, but I understand why it is, I mean this industry was built around selling a product to one of the poorest demographics out there and in times like these it is either sink or swim and that is why a lot of them are having to adapt in different ways they never imagined.
Who knows what will happen, I can see the skateshop, skateshoe, and the core skateboard companies dying here in the next few years and once it is gone, it's gone. I don't know why sporting goods stores haven't jumped on this yet and realized they don't need core skateboard companies to have a core skateshop within their stores, I mean look at the "regular shoes that double as skate shoes" thread and notice that it wouldn't take much for them to tap into that market and run wild. Getting hardgoods is easy and selling decent blanks with a rip-off thunder or indy with blanks would go along with their shoe selection. Maybe I should approach one of them with the idea and cash in while I can...
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People need to start thinking about where their money goes, at least in the skateboarding industry if they care about skateboarding. If you truly love the essence of skateboarding you should support brands owned by those with the same sentiment.
First of all some say a lot of our money goes to black ops secret government so fuck off with care where your money goes. My money goes on my feet.
The essence of skateboarding? What "core" companies support the essence of skateboarding? We talk about "their" videos all the time. We talk about "their" ads all the time. Are "they" not detracting from the essence of skateboarding? My favorite fucking company growing up doesn't even do any of their videos or ads the same, "they" fucking suck. The skaters who skate for "them" are cool. But, the only essence "they" represent is what? COTG, I'm borrowing your word, but fagotry. Core companies need to step it up, and be fucking "CORE".
I'd say Low Card, Blood Wizard, 5boro, Vox, etc... And lots of local "core" shops, are doing their best to support the essence of skateboarding. From making DIY spots to hosting "legit" skater-organized events, to trying to making sure the youth knows the history of skateboarding. These brands are owned and operated by people who actually care about skateboarding. Again I wouldn't expect some of you hipsters and/or "posers" to know who are the brands doing stuff for skateboarding if you aren't out actively engaging in your local skateboarding scene. You wouldn't be able to appreciate the convenience of having a DIY spot within skating distance from your home.
Why are you so defensive? Well, I guess I'd be sore too if I was letting that giant corporate cock rape me.
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haha that last little bit made me laugh, I was being so defensive for fun
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Someone point out when the last time a major deck/shoe company went out of business, anything having to do with Kris Markovich doesn't count.
Also I feel like most skate companies are doing okay, plus they aren't really depending on the money from board sales, the money comes from the $2 t-shirt that they sell for $20. Take a look at enjoi or Toy Machine, it's all in the shirts.
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I was rudely sent a ccs catalogue once and was offended so much that I refuse to read the last several posts in case someone defended that shit.
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After this and throwing a contest sponsored by a cell phone company can Jake still get all hella aggro and core on those who aren't true skaters?
Nope...and I love it. He's just like everyone else. Corporate money is in his pocket too. Awesome.
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Vox etc... And lots of local "core" shops, are doing their best to support the essence of skateboarding.
Vox were 88 once upon a time. A joke company wanting a piece of the 'basic' cupsole market with a manufactured punk image. Complete with Dead Boys whining on the soundtrack. I know what's-his-face was being ironic, but I really don't see what is wrong with riding a shop blank in cheap shoes. THAT is the essence of skateboarding.
Someone point out when the last time a major deck/shoe company went out of business, anything having to do with Kris Markovich doesn't count.
Also I feel like most skate companies are doing okay, plus they aren't really depending on the money from board sales, the money comes from the $2 t-shirt that they sell for $20. Take a look at enjoi or Toy Machine, it's all in the shirts.
I still haven't seen any evidence of this harrowing economic crisis. I was hoping it was going to weed out companies I don't like.
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i feel quilty gipz. so guilty i'm going to go out a.s.a.p and buy a pair of "corporate company x's"-shoes on friday
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Thrasher is paid to advertise Nike, Converse, and Adidas on a monthly basis.
Lowcard throws an Adidas ad on the back of every issue.
They're magazines.
They want to sell copies of the Prevent This Tragedy DVD (which was probably given that title in order to sell old boxes of Prevent This Tragedy shirts that weren't selling anyway), and Converse probably offered this to them. I'd be more pissed about them collaborating with CCS, personally.
Only color page in the whole thing too. They really play it up and have special ads in lowcard and shit too.
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"I still haven't seen any evidence of this harrowing economic crisis."
must be nice, man.
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i'm lost. whats the point in being core again?
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Core is Poor.
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Core is Poor.
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Are shoes like adidas, nike really "better" than the ''core'' shoes?
Every shoe has been good for me except vans tnt 2's, they got holes in few days and the sole was shitty too. I don't like the Nike image just because it's so popular between the people who are into all that akon lil wayne let's wear pink shirts thing I don't know how else to call it. I wan't to try some adidas really bad because I really love the design. Their Diagonal video was pretty awesome and their team is awesome so I don't see a reason to hate. They are making shoes for so long and when skateboaridng became so popular they just started making skate shoes too, what's bad about that? Usually I buy shoes in the skateshop what's on sale doesn't matter what brand it is. Don't see how you can laugh at someone wearing different brand shoes, it's just stupid.
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"I still haven't seen any evidence of this harrowing economic crisis."
must be nice, man.
I'm making silly money at my job at a high street fashion store - work which isn't essential to human survival. People aren't shoe gooing the shoes they have, they are in every second day to see if the new Bruin are in. And then buying brown Busenitz for good measure.
Yes, desperate times, people!
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"I still haven't seen any evidence of this harrowing economic crisis."
must be nice, man.
I'm making silly money at my job at a high street fashion store - work which isn't essential to human survival. People aren't shoe gooing the shoes they have, they are in every second day to see if the new Bruin are in. And then buying brown Busenitz for good measure.
Yes, desperate times, people!
You're right, if a bunch of sneakerheads can continue to buy SB's at your shop, there must be tons of money floating around in "the economy" for everyone to benefit from!
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I fail to see how the economy crashing is a bad thing in the long run. Lazy coasters will have to sink or swim, and industries on their last legs will be given a merciful bullet to the back of the head - cleaning up the marketplace. I haven't seen any hard, or even heard anecdotal evidence of working stiffs being evicted en masse. Or anyone who actually have skills and training unable to find work.
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for those who want the black/gum cts'
http://www.utilityboardsupply.com/get_item_COS021_converse-fowler-cts-ox-shoe-black-gum.htm
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for those who want the black/gum cts'
http://www.utilityboardsupply.com/get_item_COS021_converse-fowler-cts-ox-shoe-black-gum.htm
i cant see that shit
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I really don't understand why they didn't make them with suede.
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for those who want the black/gum cts'
http://www.utilityboardsupply.com/get_item_COS021_converse-fowler-cts-ox-shoe-black-gum.htm
i cant see that shit
pic isn't up yet
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for those who want the black/gum cts'
http://www.utilityboardsupply.com/get_item_COS021_converse-fowler-cts-ox-shoe-black-gum.htm
i cant see that shit
pic isn't up yet
I like how this is back on the actual topic
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i should go a half size down from the busenitz if im getting the cts? is that right?
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http://www.cowtownskateboards.com/products.cfm?CatID=10 (http://www.cowtownskateboards.com/products.cfm?CatID=10)
(everyone at cowtown skateboards, for those of you who care about that.)
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Just got our black/gum ethan fowler cts today.
look damn good.
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i ordered mine at utility cause we dont have them in the local shop. i got a mail saying it was on back order and would be shipping soon. what does that even mean? its been like 2 weeks already