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Title: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: kevbo999 on March 09, 2010, 07:55:11 AM
It sucks when you're trying to explain a trick but don't know what to say since the labeling is so jacked.   Feel free to call me stupid but I wish we could call tricks what they really are.

Why do we call them front boards if you're turning backside?  "fs flip to bs boardslide".. yeah, THAT makes sense.  Who came up with that opposite rule anyway?

As for the fakie/nollie thing.. it actually makes a bit of sense.. technically you are riding backwards, so a "bs fakie flip" is technically a "fs halfcab flip"... but like I said, simplicity rules, so if it's actually a bs fakie flip, why not call it that?  Instead of having this weird ass uncertainty in captions like "Do I call it bs halfcab flip, just halfcab flip, bs 180 fakie flip?"

*I almost forgot this one.. why the hell do people call a fakie ollie to switch front nose "fakie back tails".. yeah I get the whole "riding backwards" thing.  It's just so much easier to treat fakie as nollie.. and just know that a fakie bs 5-0 is a fakie ollie to switch back 5-0.  A fakie ollie to switch front nose is a fakie front nose, duh.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: rawbertson. on March 09, 2010, 08:04:02 AM
ugh i dont even want to get into it... the sad thing is people actually get pissed off when you say the name wrong...

if you want people to know exactly what you are talking about say "Blindside" way if there is any discrepancy. that pretty much solves any naming issue .
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: cold budweisers on March 09, 2010, 09:10:11 AM
don't be confined to labels. just shred, bro.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: remEMBer on March 09, 2010, 10:06:25 AM
Frontside:Your facing the ledge,curb,rail etc
Backside: well its all behind you.. ledge, rail, curb etc.


and there's no nollie half cab. it should be nollie fs/bs 180/360 since half cabs/full cabs are "fakie" 360's
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Acrid Avid Jam Shred on March 09, 2010, 10:10:25 AM
I like that "the hard way" has become terminology for tricks over handrails.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: remEMBer on March 09, 2010, 10:14:34 AM
I like that "the hard way" has become terminology for tricks over handrails.
Right like in that new Etnies Ad? is that really bad or is "alley oop"?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 09, 2010, 10:15:48 AM
all f/s and b/s trick names are based on vert skating, or really surfing. it has to do with how you approach the lip, and the way your body faces the edge. for instance, a f/s board-- to do it in a pool, you'd approach it like a f/s 5-0, meaning you come up going f/s, with the front side of your body facing the edge. take it to a rail-- think of the rail as the lip of a ramp, you come at it f/s, because the front side of your body is facing the rail, or the bowl, or whatever you're skating. same goes for backside. because the motion of getting into a f/s board is similar to the motion of a b/s 180 i can see why you'd think it is more related to to b/s tricks, but it's all in the approach. a b/s ollie in a pool or whatever, the back of your body faces the edge, that's why it's backside. making sense?
as for the fakie/nollie thing, it's a little more complex and backwards in it's labeling-- a f/s half cab is "f/s" because of the motion of your body, not the approach of the trick. because the motion is a f/s 180 while going backwards, it's a f/s half cab.
as for the fakie back tail thing, you also have to bear in mind that a lot of trick names came to be before nollie and switch existed. also it's just kind of a skate language no-no to switch between "fakie" and "switch" terminology within the same trick. fakie ollie to switch f/s nose is a perfect example. you start fakie, you should end fakie-- continuous thought and motion. if you start switch, you end switch. therefore, as for the fakie nosegrind tricks-- a fakie ollie to switch b/s 5-0 would be a fakie b/s nosegrind (how your body faces the edge, how you approach).
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: papasmurfsdog on March 09, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
fs half cabs now called "fakie behind ya" but bring the d & y together to make the jah sound so "fakiebehinjah".
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MOUNTAIN on March 09, 2010, 10:37:01 AM
I like that "the hard way" has become terminology for tricks over handrails.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: rawbertson. on March 09, 2010, 10:41:27 AM
i dont think they meant the hard way to mean going over rails i think they meant the fact that it was alley oop.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Acrid Avid Jam Shred on March 09, 2010, 11:12:00 AM
i dont think they meant the hard way to mean going over rails i think they meant the fact that it was alley oop.

I think that's what I meant.
So alley oop over rails is when you backside flip over a handrail that would be frontside flipped easier?

some ad referred to that as the hard way and I thought it was funny.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: DrinkSmokeFight on March 09, 2010, 11:32:30 AM
i dont think they meant the hard way to mean going over rails i think they meant the fact that it was alley oop.

I think that's what I meant.
So alley oop over rails is when you backside flip over a handrail that would be frontside flipped easier?

some ad referred to that as the hard way and I thought it was funny.

i am thinking he came at the rail frontside and f/s flipped it when coming at it backside to f/s flip it would have been easier.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bbk on March 09, 2010, 11:46:48 AM
wow... I understand having a hardtime labeling some fakie slide/grinds and being a little confused by the opposite of nollie and fakie spins before you hear an explanation, but damn.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: rawbertson. on March 09, 2010, 11:47:53 AM
you guys make it sound really complicated. whiteley described the entire thing pretty well although a bit long winded.

alley oop over a rail would be fs 180ing a rail that is in front of you when you are rolling up (so you could fs 5050 it). JT Aultz did a really good bs 180 alley oop a long time ago on tactical manual i believe.  

it comes from ramp skating i think... cause its when you carve up a wall fs and then do a bs air it sends you blind side... allley oop

in basketball its when you catch a pass in the air and score a point is it not ??? weird how they ttransferred that over to skating..
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: dino conflict on March 09, 2010, 11:48:23 AM
i dont think they meant the hard way to mean going over rails i think they meant the fact that it was alley oop.

I think that's what I meant.
So alley oop over rails is when you backside flip over a handrail that would be frontside flipped easier?

some ad referred to that as the hard way and I thought it was funny.

i am thinking he came at the rail frontside and f/s flipped it when coming at it backside to f/s flip it would have been easier.

Ive always called it "awkward" when referring to f/s trick over a railing that would be easier to do a b/s trick over or vice versa

like an "awkward front side 180" over the handrail
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Donkey Lips on March 09, 2010, 12:07:48 PM
I used to love it when snowboarders would call tricks 'fakie' when they do a switch trick. I loved it even more when they called switch 180's 'half cabs'.  I romantically love it when girls let me hit it backside.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: DMH on March 09, 2010, 12:14:16 PM
What about the existence of frontside overcrooks? I'm in the "it's just a nosegrind" group.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: cheep on March 09, 2010, 12:17:44 PM
its a one foot ollie, not an ollie north.

thats the one that i always hate...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Donkey Lips on March 09, 2010, 12:20:18 PM
What about the existence of frontside overcrooks? I'm in the "it's just a nosegrind" group.
as far as a fat kid from camp anawana is concerned - it's a frontside nosegrind until it turns noseblunt.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Nic on March 09, 2010, 12:23:16 PM
What about the existence of frontside overcrooks? I'm in the "it's just a nosegrind" group.
Yep

Fronstide Suski = 5-0
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 09, 2010, 12:24:42 PM
sorry for being long-winded.

What about the existence of frontside overcrooks? I'm in the "it's just a nosegrind" group.

true. sean young did not do f/s overcrooks:
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: DMH on March 09, 2010, 12:26:22 PM
What about the existence of frontside overcrooks? I'm in the "it's just a nosegrind" group.
Yep

Fronstide Suski = 5-0

Exactly. And that one in particular kills me. Children just don't undastand.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bumpnrun on March 09, 2010, 12:27:27 PM
all f/s and b/s trick names are based on vert skating, or really surfing. it has to do with how you approach the lip, and the way your body faces the edge. for instance, a f/s board-- to do it in a pool, you'd approach it like a f/s 5-0, meaning you come up going f/s, with the front side of your body facing the edge. take it to a rail-- think of the rail as the lip of a ramp, you come at it f/s, because the front side of your body is facing the rail, or the bowl, or whatever you're skating. same goes for backside. because the motion of getting into a f/s board is similar to the motion of a b/s 180 i can see why you'd think it is more related to to b/s tricks, but it's all in the approach. a b/s ollie in a pool or whatever, the back of your body faces the edge, that's why it's backside. making sense?
as for the fakie/nollie thing, it's a little more complex and backwards in it's labeling-- a f/s half cab is "f/s" because of the motion of your body, not the approach of the trick. because the motion is a f/s 180 while going backwards, it's a f/s half cab.
as for the fakie back tail thing, you also have to bear in mind that a lot of trick names came to be before nollie and switch existed. also it's just kind of a skate language no-no to switch between "fakie" and "switch" terminology within the same trick. fakie ollie to switch f/s nose is a perfect example. you start fakie, you should end fakie-- continuous thought and motion. if you start switch, you end switch. therefore, as for the fakie nosegrind tricks-- a fakie ollie to switch b/s 5-0 would be a fakie b/s nosegrind (how your body faces the edge, how you approach).

Of course whiteley knows what he's talking about!  Well said.

I tend to use backward nose grind a lot. bs 180 backward nose grind
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: pattigrapes on March 09, 2010, 12:45:24 PM
in my gay PA hometown one foots were called "shark bites" in the late 80s early 90s and i lived in pittsburgh in 91-92 and one kid could do 360 ollie kickflips like chris cole over hips and on quarterpipes and for some weird reason everyone called it a "chicago flip".? remember wooly mammoths!?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Firebert on March 09, 2010, 12:48:33 PM
I need to hear you say it whitely, a fakie frontside tailslide is the proper name for the commonly referred to "fakie ollie to switch front nose."
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Cthulhu! on March 09, 2010, 01:01:49 PM
Boned ollie annoys me. Then you have that varial thing. I like heelflip shove it instead of a varial heel.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 09, 2010, 01:08:10 PM
in my gay PA hometown one foots were called "shark bites" in the late 80s early 90s and i lived in pittsburgh in 91-92 and one kid could do 360 ollie kickflips like chris cole over hips and on quarterpipes and for some weird reason everyone called it a "chicago flip".? remember woolly mammoths!?

best trick name ever.

I need to hear you say it whitely, a fakie frontside tailslide is the proper name for the commonly referred to "fakie ollie to switch front nose."

no, a fakie b/s tailslide is the proper name for a fakie ollie to switch f/s nose. a fakie f/s tailslide would be the equivalent of the fakie ollie to switch b/s nose.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Brown Thunder on March 09, 2010, 01:11:00 PM
this is all making my head hurt....

Just to be sure about this

Half cab = Fakie backside

Otherway = Fakie frontside?

were they ever known as "Half nabs" or was that just the backward town i lived in?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Brown Thunder on March 09, 2010, 01:11:44 PM
best trick name ever

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkMsvXsjTLI

Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: blackalbino on March 09, 2010, 01:15:34 PM
slap was the last place i'd expect to argue about trick names
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 09, 2010, 01:17:32 PM
slap was the last place i'd expect to argue about trick names
Why does that girl in your av appear to have no nipple?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 09, 2010, 01:19:50 PM
this is all making my head hurt....

Just to be sure about this

Half cab = Fakie backside

Otherway = Fakie frontside?

were they ever known as "Half nabs" or was that just the backward town i lived in?

half nabs? no.
half cab= going fakie, 180 with your chest facing forward.
f/s half cab= going fakie, 180 with your back facing forward.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 09, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
So what is wooly mammoth? and a hazard plant?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Firebert on March 09, 2010, 02:08:55 PM
in my gay PA hometown one foots were called "shark bites" in the late 80s early 90s and i lived in pittsburgh in 91-92 and one kid could do 360 ollie kickflips like chris cole over hips and on quarterpipes and for some weird reason everyone called it a "chicago flip".? remember woolly mammoths!?

best trick name ever.

I need to hear you say it whitely, a fakie frontside tailslide is the proper name for the commonly referred to "fakie ollie to switch front nose."

no, a fakie b/s tailslide is the proper name for a fakie ollie to switch f/s nose. a fakie f/s tailslide would be the equivalent of the fakie ollie to switch b/s nose.

but the object would be on the wrong side in those cases...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: blackalbino on March 09, 2010, 02:12:27 PM
slap was the last place i'd expect to argue about trick names
Why does that girl in your av appear to have no nipple?

weird, i have no idea why. im guessing its because her nip matches her skin tone so its hard to see
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 09, 2010, 02:20:44 PM
So what is wooly mammoth? and a hazard plant?

woolly mammoth is a fakie eggplant where you land with the nose of your board on the deck, like a noseblunt on nothing, and then pull back in. the hazard plant... can't summon that one. invert and air variations is where the names really get sticky...

"but the object would be on the wrong side in those cases..."
true. with fakie i think you have to look at it like how the approach would have been if it wasn't fakie, and then you tack on the approach. labeling for fakie is definitely kinda screwy in some regards.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: yeahisaidit on March 09, 2010, 02:31:59 PM
it's just kind of a skate language no-no to switch between "fakie" and "switch" terminology within the same trick.

i agree, but i do like the fact that gino called his trick in mouse, switch cab tail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDJwM6vOt38
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 09, 2010, 03:04:59 PM
it's just kind of a skate language no-no to switch between "fakie" and "switch" terminology within the same trick.

i agree, but i do like the fact that gino called his trick in mouse, switch cab tail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDJwM6vOt38

switch cab back tail works semantically, albeit a little weird, because it doesn't alter between switch and regular within the description. once you're going switch, it is a cab back tail-- it's just a little weird to call something "switch" when you're traveling forwards and going off the nose. on that alone it's a nollie. like calling a nollie f/s 180 a switch half cab-- both are right, but it's awkward. i guess it's not until "switch nollie" or "switch fakie" that the line gets drawn in the sand- that's absolutely illegal. the english language has so many weird rules as is, that on top of all the weird skate terminology and i can't imagine deciphering skate talk in another language.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: alrightythen on March 09, 2010, 03:13:51 PM
this is all making my head hurt....

Just to be sure about this

Half cab = Fakie backside

Otherway = Fakie frontside?

were they ever known as "Half nabs" or was that just the backward town i lived in?

half nabs? no.
half cab= going fakie, 180 with your chest facing forward.
f/s half cab= going fakie, 180 with your back facing forward.
hard to argue since it seems everyone have their own terminology. but here there is no such thing as a fs halfcab. halfcabs are always backside. halfcabflip = fakie bs flip. the other way is just a fakie frontside ollie.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 09, 2010, 03:26:56 PM
I am loving Whiteley's input on these.
Here's one for you- I thought a lien air was a frontside air with a backside grab, why do people call those frontside air nosegrabs lien airs? One is clearly about 1000 times cooler. Proper lien airs where you grab the middle look all sick and tweaked and turned late, so why does that other bullshit get the same title?
Here is one that has been coming up lately: there is no such thing as a backside lien to tail, its called a body jar.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 09, 2010, 03:41:27 PM
"halfcabs are always backside."
that's true. unless they are frontside...
"half cab" implies it's backside in the same way "rock n roll" implies it's backside- that's the way the trick is done- but f/s versions of both exist. a "fakie f/s ollie" is like the technical description of what the trick does. it's not wrong, but it's not the name of the trick. it's like you can call a "helipop" a nollie b/s 360, but it's still a helipop (granted that trick name is hardly used anymore). there's a difference between names and descriptions, although they often overlap because some tricks have weird names and some tricks are just called what their description is.

I am loving Whiteley's input on these.
Here's one for you- I thought a lien air was a frontside air with a backside grab, why do people call those frontside air nosegrabs lien airs? One is clearly about 1000 times cooler. Proper lien airs where you grab the middle look all sick and tweaked and turned late, so why does that other bullshit get the same title?
Here is one that has been coming up lately: there is no such thing as a backside lien to tail, its called a body jar.

aww, thanks gip!
lien air-- strangely, it's both. you can grab anywhere on the heel side of your board from the nose to the tail and it's all "lien" (which incidentally is "neil" backwards, after the inventor, mr. blender). they do seem like different trick though, you are right. seems like most people go to tail when grabbing the nose, and come in straight when grabbing the middle. and yes, definitely no such thing as a b/s lien to tail, that is indeed a body jar, and i think 10x cooler than the f/s version. anybody wanna get into madonnas vs. sean penns???
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 09, 2010, 03:43:33 PM
^alley oop madonna?
What about madollies? What do you call it if you slide?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 09, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
Why is popping a goddamn wheelie called a manual? It's been called popping a wheelie since man invented the wheel.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 09, 2010, 03:52:40 PM
Why is popping a goddamn wheelie called a manual? It's been called popping a wheelie since man invented the wheel.
It's too closely associated with riding a bicycle for me to call it that.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 09, 2010, 03:53:28 PM
^alley oop madonna?
What about madollies? What do you call it if you slide?

not a lot of people did alley oop madonnas, but jason jessee comes to mind. so sick. as far as a sean penn goes though, i *think* (my vert terminology is not 100%) that it's a body jar where you kick your front foot off the heel side of the board. then you get into judo/anti-judo/frigid territory and i need to go upstairs and get a vert refresher from ol' four eyes.

madollie tailslide? i think that's all it gets called.

Why is popping a goddamn wheelie called a manual? It's been called popping a wheelie since man invented the wheel.

i guess when you ollie into it, it ceases to be a wheelie. i have no idea where "manual" come from, although i think that's another blender title. i don't know, is "kickflip wheelie" cooler than "kickflip manual"? that's up for debate.

*edit: laterd my other option of what a sean penn might be.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: yeahisaidit on March 09, 2010, 04:01:27 PM
it's just kind of a skate language no-no to switch between "fakie" and "switch" terminology within the same trick.

i agree, but i do like the fact that gino called his trick in mouse, switch cab tail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDJwM6vOt38

switch cab back tail works semantically, albeit a little weird, because it doesn't alter between switch and regular within the description. once you're going switch, it is a cab back tail-- it's just a little weird to call something "switch" when you're traveling forwards and going off the nose. on that alone it's a nollie. like calling a nollie f/s 180 a switch half cab-- both are right, but it's awkward. i guess it's not until "switch nollie" or "switch fakie" that the line gets drawn in the sand- that's absolutely illegal. the english language has so many weird rules as is, that on top of all the weird skate terminology and i can't imagine deciphering skate talk in another language.

i like it because it gets the point across and is easier to say than nollie 360, but it walks the gray area line, because a cab is a fakie 360, and inserting that into switch cab would then read switch fakie 360.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: chillout on March 09, 2010, 04:04:55 PM
ive always gotten alot of grief for call nollie frontside tricks nollie half cab. like a calling a nollie fs flip a nollie half cab flip or a nollie fs 360 a nollie full cab. never understood why. it sounds so much better that way.

and i got bitched out for calling a varial heel a varial heel instead of a heelflip shuv in the es game of skate last year
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 09, 2010, 04:19:04 PM

Why is popping a goddamn wheelie called a manual? It's been called popping a wheelie since man invented the wheel.

i guess when you ollie into it, it ceases to be a wheelie. i have no idea where "manual" come from, although i think that's another blender title. i don't know, is "kickflip wheelie" cooler than "kickflip manual"? that's up for debate.

It's called a kickflip to poppin' a wheelie.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: layzieyez on March 09, 2010, 04:19:58 PM
My gripe is tricks aren't named ridiculous names anymore.  I want skateboard tricks to have irrelevant yet whimsical sounding names which are slightly grounded in logic.  I want a heelflip indy to be called the turd catcher (since it looks like someone is waiting to grab their shit mid air while squatting over their board).  Bring back these ludicrous names and skateboarding will be better in the end.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 09, 2010, 04:23:00 PM
"i like it because it gets the point across and is easier to say than nollie 360, but it walks the gray area line, because a cab is a fakie 360, and inserting that into switch cab would then read switch fakie 360."

exactly. well put.

ive always gotten alot of grief for call nollie frontside tricks nollie half cab. like a calling a nollie fs flip a nollie half cab flip or a nollie fs 360 a nollie full cab. never understood why. it sounds so much better that way.

and i got bitched out for calling a varial heel a varial heel instead of a heelflip shuv in the es game of skate last year

proper terminology aside, i agree that  "nollie half cab flip" sounds better than nollie f/s 180 flips. but whoever bitched you out for calling a varial heel by it's proper name needs to be checked! call it a heel shove if you like, but don't say that varial heel is wrong.

My gripe is tricks aren't named ridiculous names anymore.  I want skateboard tricks to have irrelevant yet whimsical sounding names which are slightly grounded in logic.  I want a heelflip indy to be called the turd catcher (since it looks like someone is waiting to grab their shit mid air while squatting over their board).  Bring back these ludicrous names and skateboarding will be better in the end.

agreed. i wrote an intro to the print mag all about that very topic like five years ago. it's too late now, new tricks get invented so infrequently, but whoever gets next- call it something good!
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: layzieyez on March 09, 2010, 04:27:21 PM
I just remembered another awesome name from the past that was totally regional.  In Savannah, GA back in the early to mid 90's, frontside 180 nollies were called potheads since the only guys who could do them proper were notorious for being total potheads.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: kevbo999 on March 09, 2010, 04:49:52 PM
is "kickflip wheelie" cooler than "kickflip manual"? that's up for debate.

Someone should make a fake Brazilian account called Kickflip Manuel.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mevs on March 09, 2010, 05:26:48 PM
this is all making my head hurt....

Just to be sure about this

Half cab = Fakie backside

Otherway = Fakie frontside?

were they ever known as "Half nabs" or was that just the backward town i lived in?

half nabs? no.


Sorry Whiteley, but in the UK at least switch f/s 180s were often captioned in R.A.D and Sidewalk as "Half Nabs". 360 flips were also sometimes captioned as "Sawblades" - distinctly remember a pic of Matt Pritchard with bleached hair being captioned for that at some comp around '96.

...no, I have no idea why either.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Boomhauer on March 09, 2010, 07:26:18 PM
I like that "the hard way" has become terminology for tricks over handrails.

Or like when doing an alley-oop trick out of a grind. Like a bs 5-0 shovit the hard way, meaning a frontside shovit out.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mouth on March 09, 2010, 07:50:29 PM
Half nabs was what we called them in Singapore back in those days too. I guess it was during the transition to switch skating when only some tricks were being done switch.

Anyone remember when 50 to switch crooks were called "re-grinds" in 92 or so? Or was that just my friends and I .

Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Boston. on March 09, 2010, 07:56:26 PM
So what is wooly mammoth? and a hazard plant?

woolly mammoth is a fakie eggplant where you land with the nose of your board on the deck, like a noseblunt on nothing, and then pull back in. the hazard plant... can't summon that one. invert and air variations is where the names really get sticky...

okok, but what is an eggplant? the whole handplant/invert terminology confuses the hell out of me. any bit of footage or a sequence would make this easier. this whole forgotten terminology analysis would make a great article

also what's a dumptruck? is it when you air out and plant both feet while stradling your board and hop in fakie?

phillips 66? is that when you roll up fakie and grab the coping with what would be your back hand while grabbing the board with what would be your front hand, and doing a fakie frontside cab back to regular?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: The Ghost of Lenny Kirk on March 09, 2010, 08:02:45 PM
ok, what do you call that weird nose manual louie did in bag of suck ?

3:47

and that slide thing at 3:57

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFA2O5KBzeE
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Star Whores Episode I: The Fellatio Menace on March 09, 2010, 08:45:46 PM
my thoughts on the nosegrind/overcrook debate:

if done on a ledge/ hubba, it is a nose grind. there is no over crook.

if done on a rail. it is an overcrook. there are no nose grinds on rails.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: chillout on March 09, 2010, 09:05:09 PM
my thoughts on the nosegrind/overcrook debate:

if done on a ledge/ hubba, it is a nose grind. there is no over crook.

if done on a rail. it is an overcrook. there are no nose grinds on rails.

agreed.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 09, 2010, 09:25:43 PM
After the last several posts, I suppose it depends on how you grew up skating and who you were with.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 09, 2010, 09:38:36 PM
my thoughts on the nosegrind/overcrook debate:

if done on a ledge/ hubba, it is a nose grind. there is no over crook.

if done on a rail. it is an overcrook. there are no nose grinds on rails.
bull fucking shit! I seen Colt Cannon do some really nice balanced frontside nosegrinds down rails.
We used to just call "overcrooks" style ones "snowplow" nosegrinds.

I always thought a Senn Penn was a backside maddona, kicking your foot off in a way comparable to a b/s boneless instead of a frontside one.

I always liked it when people called front foot impossibles "chainsaw flips."

I'm totally guilty of saying "nollie cab." I know its wrong, and don't care. When I say it, people know what I mean.

Also, was "Gersh grind" ever used in a magazine? Always liked that name
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: jalopy james on March 09, 2010, 10:02:05 PM
louie's rad.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: j....soy..... on March 09, 2010, 10:20:00 PM
is "kickflip wheelie" cooler than "kickflip manual"? that's up for debate.

Someone should make a fake Brazilian account called Kickflip Manuel.

I never got an answer as to who came up w. the name 'manual'....it's funny because for the most part, street skaters didn't name tricks...so maybe it came from ramp....my guess it was neil blender doing them like a roll out wheelie.

I think alleyoop only exists on ramp....kids have no idea what it is....over hips you usually just round up...and w. grinds you 180 in to fakie....

Isn't a hazard very different than a wooly mammoth?  Isn't a hazard: lead hand grabs mute, back hand on ground, front foot on board, back foot on ground. 

I believe the front over crook isn't a trick...the back overcrook is but your better off just going to noseblunt or keeping your nosegrind in order....
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Firebert on March 09, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
tucknee nose manual?
tailblock slide
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: 1992 on March 09, 2010, 10:55:07 PM
*massive sigh*
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 09, 2010, 11:14:30 PM
tucknee nose manual?
tailblock slide

I thought these same names for the Louie video.

I always thought that Sean Penns were Madonnas but just backside. Like your front foot still comes off on the heel side, you just don't turn it front side. It's when the front foot comes off the toe side that it becomes a judo. And then an anti-judo is when you kick your front foot off heel side, but don't bring the board up like you would for a Madonna. I've never seen a Sean Penn before, so I might be wrong with that, but I have seen the other three.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Cosme on March 09, 2010, 11:22:43 PM

were they ever known as "Half nabs" or was that just the backward town i lived in?

half nabs? no.


Sorry Whiteley, but in the UK at least switch f/s 180s were often captioned in R.A.D and Sidewalk as "Half Nabs".

...no, I have no idea why either.

Same here in Spain (I think because we adopted it from those British Mags), and the explanation was that a Switch-FS-180 was a Half-Cab in position and turn but using the Nose.

It only makes sense as a name if you ignore the Switch Stance concept wich, at that time, was not even crossing our minds.

Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: realitycontrol on March 09, 2010, 11:36:05 PM
*massive sigh*

 ;)
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: metsuri on March 10, 2010, 12:28:58 AM
this is all making my head hurt....

Just to be sure about this

Half cab = Fakie backside

Otherway = Fakie frontside?

were they ever known as "Half nabs" or was that just the backward town i lived in?

half nabs? no.


Sorry Whiteley, but in the UK at least switch f/s 180s were often captioned in R.A.D and Sidewalk as "Half Nabs". 360 flips were also sometimes captioned as "Sawblades" - distinctly remember a pic of Matt Pritchard with bleached hair being captioned for that at some comp around '96.

...no, I have no idea why either.

I remember buying a lot of British magazines from airports back in the day and I must say I was always really puzzled by the trick names they used. It seemed like back then they had their own names for nearly everything. I can't think of any on the spot but there definitely were some wild ones.

And I'm loving Whiteley's input on this as well. Great that you take your time and explain people why this works the way it does. In the future, please step in and set people straight when they make moronic claims such as "it's not a fakie hurricane, it's a fakie fs feeble". Before it was only the Chief these kids listened to, now listen to Whiteley, he knows his shit.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: layzieyez on March 10, 2010, 06:11:10 AM
Sean Penn is a judo body jar.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Acrid Avid Jam Shred on March 10, 2010, 06:46:35 AM
my thoughts on the nosegrind/overcrook debate:

if done on a ledge/ hubba, it is a nose grind. there is no over crook.

if done on a rail. it is an overcrook. there are no nose grinds on rails.
bull fucking shit! I seen Colt Cannon do some really nice balanced frontside nosegrinds down rails.
We used to just call "overcrooks" style ones "snowplow" nosegrinds.



Yeah nosegrinds exist on rails
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Dirtyjersey on March 10, 2010, 07:49:27 AM
Overcrook ain't a trick, it's a weak excuse for a noseblunt.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 10, 2010, 09:03:39 AM
holy crap, lots to catch up on!

So what is wooly mammoth? and a hazard plant?

woolly mammoth is a fakie eggplant where you land with the nose of your board on the deck, like a noseblunt on nothing, and then pull back in. the hazard plant... can't summon that one. invert and air variations is where the names really get sticky...

okok, but what is an eggplant? the whole handplant/invert terminology confuses the hell out of me. any bit of footage or a sequence would make this easier. this whole forgotten terminology analysis would make a great article

also what's a dumptruck? is it when you air out and plant both feet while stradling your board and hop in fakie?

phillips 66? is that when you roll up fakie and grab the coping with what would be your back hand while grabbing the board with what would be your front hand, and doing a fakie frontside cab back to regular?

eggplant: think of an indy air invert-- grabbing your toe rail with your back hand, planting with your front, whole thing moves backside. gonz is my favorite eggplanter.
dumptruck: you got it. drehobl crushes them.
phillips66: come up fakie, grab mute (actually "slob" because you're going f/s), spin a f/s cab while planting your back hand. incredibly awkward. pretty much only done well by jeff phillips, who did the best vert bonelesses ever.

ok, what do you call that weird nose manual louie did in bag of suck ?

3:47

and that slide thing at 3:57

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFA2O5KBzeE

viva hate got both right. louie's tricks are probably the hardest to label, which rules. love louie.

my thoughts on the nosegrind/overcrook debate:

if done on a ledge/ hubba, it is a nose grind. there is no over crook.

if done on a rail. it is an overcrook. there are no nose grinds on rails.
bull fucking shit! I seen Colt Cannon do some really nice balanced frontside nosegrinds down rails.
We used to just call "overcrooks" style ones "snowplow" nosegrinds.

I always thought a Senn Penn was a backside maddona, kicking your foot off in a way comparable to a b/s boneless instead of a frontside one.

I always liked it when people called front foot impossibles "chainsaw flips."

I'm totally guilty of saying "nollie cab." I know its wrong, and don't care. When I say it, people know what I mean.

Also, was "Gersh grind" ever used in a magazine? Always liked that name

full backage of gipper here. nosegrinds, both way, do exist on rails. i don't think people are really trying to call f/s overcrooks by that name though, most people would just say f/s nosegrind, but anybody tweaking out a b/s nosegrind would be quick to claim it as an overcrook. odd...
sean penn: gave this some thought: pretty sure it is the same motion as a madonna, just going backside. so kick your front foot off the heel side while doing a b/s nosegrab air to tail. oyolar, good calls on all that, i think that's all right. layzieyez, you sure? gonna have to do a little research...
nollie cab: yes, i am guilty there too. anybody remember the "gazelle" out of tricks?
gersh grind: definitely remember the term, don't know if i saw it in print though...

is "kickflip wheelie" cooler than "kickflip manual"? that's up for debate.

Someone should make a fake Brazilian account called Kickflip Manuel.

I never got an answer as to who came up w. the name 'manual'....it's funny because for the most part, street skaters didn't name tricks...so maybe it came from ramp....my guess it was neil blender doing them like a roll out wheelie.

I think alleyoop only exists on ramp....kids have no idea what it is....over hips you usually just round up...and w. grinds you 180 in to fakie....

Isn't a hazard very different than a wooly mammoth?  Isn't a hazard: lead hand grabs mute, back hand on ground, front foot on board, back foot on ground. 

I believe the front over crook isn't a trick...the back overcrook is but your better off just going to noseblunt or keeping your nosegrind in order....

yeah, manual=blender i think.
alley-oop: yeah, ramp term. "the hard way" over rails thing that was discussed yesterday i guess you could call alley-oop, but despite it being a crappy term i'd probably use "the hard way" myself.
hazard vs woolly mammoth: totally different, pretty sure you nailed it.

as for the "half-nab" and all that, i'm gonna go with that term being the Neanderthal cousin of the homo sapien's switch 180, as in it must have died out when the superior genes of the "switch 180" flourished. no offense to the english mags from days of yore, i always liked RAD.

my favorite of the  obscure vert tricks you don't see much:
seatbelt: f/s ollie tailgrab but grab with your front hand. hosoi.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 10, 2010, 09:11:03 AM
HAHAHA gazelles, I tried to call them ballerinas but nobody I skated with was down for that.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 10, 2010, 09:11:52 AM
Remy Stratton was the dude famous for seat belts

Remember, before they were called hubbas, ledges next to stairs were briefly called nibs and jibs? It was snowboard term that was soon dropped because it was stupid.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 10, 2010, 09:15:32 AM
HAHAHA gazelles, I tried to call them ballerinas but nobody I skated with was down for that.

funny, i just asked about "ballerinas" in the b/s no-comply thread, but in reference to spinning no-comply tricks...

Remy Stratton was the dude famous for seat belts

Remember, before they were called hubbas, ledges next to stairs were briefly called nibs and jibs? It was snowboard term that was soon dropped because it was stupid.


true, remy was the famous one, but the best one i ever saw was hosoi. and yeah-- remember the whole TWS article about the difference between nibs and jibs? blarf.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 10, 2010, 09:22:31 AM
The nollie bs 360 where you pivot around instead of being airborne the whole time was referred to as ballerinas or gazebos (name play on gazelle, i think) in ym neighborhood.

Also, there was the Chinese ollie which was a proto nollie where you bumped your front wheels off a crack an popped up the back like a nollie. The there was the Slap Maxwell, which was like a Chinese ollie to grind on a curb.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Galletly on March 10, 2010, 09:23:40 AM
On the wheelie / manual, I'd heard it explained as being a BMX thing:

wheelie - one wheel while pedalling
manual - one wheel while coasting

I don't know anything about bikes so that might not even be right, the skate name could also pre-date the BMX name. But if it is correct, I guess a wheelie on a skateboard would be manualling... while pushing?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: The Ghost of Lenny Kirk on March 10, 2010, 09:33:45 AM
are there any bigspin variations called a meatspin ? like a fs bigger spin ?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: remEMBer on March 10, 2010, 11:23:34 AM
Damn Whiteley's got it covered I got lost after page 2. There's a reason he's running Slap good work. Egg plant,Jizz plant, half cab, half cocked etc. I'll just go by what he posted. 
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 10, 2010, 11:38:59 AM
The nollie bs 360 where you pivot around instead of being airborne the whole time was referred to as ballerinas or gazebos (name play on gazelle, i think) in ym neighborhood.

Also, there was the Chinese ollie which was a proto nollie where you bumped your front wheels off a crack an popped up the back like a nollie. The there was the Slap Maxwell, which was like a Chinese ollie to grind on a curb.

those pivoty nollie 360s were gazelles for me, and ballerinas were 180 no-complys. and the chinese ollie (origin of name anybody?)- still do those all the time.

are there any bigspin variations called a meatspin ? like a fs bigger spin ?

never heard of a meatspin! biggerspin for sure, but meatspin is entertaining.

we didn't really touch on many of the boneless/footplant variations yet: creepers, ice plants, bean plants, texas plants, etc... it's a zoo of names in the tranny sector.
hey, does a b/s stalefish have another name? that always seemed virtually impossible to me. BUT i always wanted to see somebody overturn a f/s stalefish into a switch method and come in backwards- now THAT would be sick!
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 10, 2010, 12:11:12 PM

never heard of a meatspin! biggerspin for sure, but meatspin is entertaining.



You're setting yourself up for a very disturbing and traumatizing experience there....
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: remEMBer on March 10, 2010, 12:36:09 PM
we didn't really touch on many of the boneless/footplant variations yet: creepers, ice plants, bean plants, texas plants, etc... it's a zoo of names in the tranny sector.
hey, does a b/s stalefish have another name? that always seemed virtually impossible to me. BUT i always wanted to see somebody overturn a f/s stalefish into a switch method and come in backwards- now THAT would be sick!
What about Jolly mambo sex change variel? I never fully got what they were talking about in Animal Chin...

"awe your messed up"
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 10, 2010, 03:30:38 PM

never heard of a meatspin! biggerspin for sure, but meatspin is entertaining.



You're setting yourself up for a very disturbing and traumatizing experience there....

wouldn't be the first time.

we didn't really touch on many of the boneless/footplant variations yet: creepers, ice plants, bean plants, texas plants, etc... it's a zoo of names in the tranny sector.
hey, does a b/s stalefish have another name? that always seemed virtually impossible to me. BUT i always wanted to see somebody overturn a f/s stalefish into a switch method and come in backwards- now THAT would be sick!
What about Jolly mambo sex change variel? I never fully got what they were talking about in Animal Chin...

"awe your messed up"

i always took those as two different tricks-- was he combining them there???
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: tropicks on March 10, 2010, 04:33:40 PM
for me the wormhole where the old guard and the new school (early '90s) met and failed each other is the 'fakie crooked grind'/'fakie ollie switch crooked grind'/bizarro nollie crooked grind/etcetera. it's a fakie 5-0 that had no tail-grinding counterpart, and even now there's definitely no good name for it. just to illustrate the break down, in a bonejob way that i'm not siding with, you could even sort of think of it as a fakie suski grind. it's just that the tweaky backside 5-0s that folks have been doing forever weren't even semi-'officially' recognized as something until the late '90s, and even if they would have been, they still would've pre-dated the pointer grind designation. in another barely legal way, a 'fakie crooked grind' would really be like one of those tweaked fakie b/s nosegrinds that kalis does ('fakie ollie switch suski', lulz). in every other instance that i can think of The Rules work, even if they seem awkward -- ba's fakie f/s feeble grind often being mislabeled as a fakie hurricane, or the general concept of a fakie baglady. actually, the whole fakie smith thing on transition sort of doesn't translate to street either.

a fakie b/s tailslide is a fakie b/s tailside, period, but it's true that sometimes there's no way through sheer trick-naming to describe the way someone does something. regarding the way someone faces and distributes their weight, yeah, most do a 'fakie ollie s/s f/s noseslide', but occasionally you'll see someone actually do a true f/s half cab that actually turns blindside and ends in a true backside tailslide facing forward. they're still called the share same thing. sometimes you just gotta go with it/break into the fucking fourth dimension.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: remEMBer on March 10, 2010, 04:37:48 PM

never heard of a meatspin! biggerspin for sure, but meatspin is entertaining.



You're setting yourself up for a very disturbing and traumatizing experience there....

wouldn't be the first time.

we didn't really touch on many of the boneless/footplant variations yet: creepers, ice plants, bean plants, texas plants, etc... it's a zoo of names in the tranny sector.
hey, does a b/s stalefish have another name? that always seemed virtually impossible to me. BUT i always wanted to see somebody overturn a f/s stalefish into a switch method and come in backwards- now THAT would be sick!
What about Jolly mambo sex change variel? I never fully got what they were talking about in Animal Chin...

"awe your messed up"

i always took those as two different tricks-- was he combining them there???
Yeah I think so but what the hell is Jolly mambo?  and sex change variel is a spread eagle fs shove grab? ahh fuck I don't know.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: FigsyLeBon on March 10, 2010, 04:59:55 PM
I'm gonna throw my two cents in here and say that I'd always thought that the whole overcrook thing was an invention of the THPS games, am I wrong? also the idea that a nosegrind isn't a nosegrind unless you're balanced a-la Biebel isn't really true, I've seen plenty of people doing them with the tip of the nose firmly planted on greasy ledges and so on.

I think the idea of there being no such thing as nosegrinds on rails is kind of a moot point, I mean, on a round rail the truck has to lock somewhere, so invariably if you're doing a frontside nosegrind on a rail the truck is gonna lock in by the wheel on your heel side, doesn't mean it isn't a nosegrind
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Noioso on March 10, 2010, 05:11:25 PM
The FS Overcrook thing is confusing. I never have and never will understand why there is a bs overcrook but not a fs overcrook. Why can people do bs nosegrind on a rail but not fs ones where they are in the center of the rail? I know some one has to be able to do it and they are probably a lot harder. I used to be able to do BS overcrooks on a rail at times but never a bs nosegrind because I would always turn over...I could do them on a ledge, though.

The thing that gets confusing to me is the whole 180 into grind thing. A fs 180 into a switch 5-0, is a fs 180 nosegrind but a nollie fs 180 switch 5-0 is just a nollie 180 switch 5-0...Correct? Is a switch 180 nosegrind a switch 180 5-0 or just a switch 180 nosegrind? What about fake halfcab boardslides and fakie ollie boardslides? Those ones always confuse me, too. I get the fake ollie boardslides but not the other version (like riding backside, then fakie olling into a switch backlip or what?)

Confused.  ???
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: FigsyLeBon on March 10, 2010, 05:23:10 PM
trick names are confusing, especially when you get into the type of variations noioso is talking about, the one thing I feel strongly about is the fact that a fs or bs nollie/half cab is dependant on which way you pop it, not whether you're turning blind side or not. as in I see a nollie fs flip as just that, a frontside flip done off the nose
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 10, 2010, 08:22:59 PM
tucknee nose manual?
tailblock slide

I thought these same names for the Louie video.

I always thought that Sean Penns were Madonnas but just backside. Like your front foot still comes off on the heel side, you just don't turn it front side. It's when the front foot comes off the toe side that it becomes a judo. And then an anti-judo is when you kick your front foot off heel side, but don't bring the board up like you would for a Madonna. I've never seen a Sean Penn before, so I might be wrong with that, but I have seen the other three.
I thought the difference between a judo and a sean penn was doing it to tail
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 10, 2010, 08:32:55 PM
The thing that gets confusing to me is the whole 180 into grind thing. A fs 180 into a switch 5-0, is a fs 180 nosegrind but a nollie fs 180 switch 5-0 is just a nollie 180 switch 5-0...Correct?
No, it's a nollie fs 180 nosegrind

Is a switch 180 nosegrind a switch 180 5-0 or just a switch 180 nosegrind?
a "switch 180 nosegrind" is a switch 180 to regular stance 5-0. It's the same exact motion of a "180 nosegrind" just done switch.

What about fake halfcab boardslides and fakie ollie boardslides? Those ones always confuse me, too. I get the fake ollie boardslides but not the other version (like riding backside, then fakie olling into a switch backlip or what?)
Fakie ollie 90 degrees backside into a boardslide (fakie ollie to switch front lip)= Fakie b/s boardslide
Fakie ollie 90 degrees frontside into a boardslide (fakie ollie to switch back lip) = Fakie f/s boardslide
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mcpeepants on March 10, 2010, 08:47:36 PM
I've heard people refer to a big flip as a big-spin flip. Just seems unnecessary to have the 'spin' in there. It would make a little more sense if bs flips were called small-spin flips, but they aren't. What do you guys call it? big flip or big-spin flip?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: chillout on March 10, 2010, 09:00:04 PM
Overcrook ain't a trick, it's a weak excuse for a noseblunt.

overcrooks look tight, and theyre nothing like a noseblunt. fs overcrooks i pretty much consider a nosegrind, but bs overcrooks can be a thing of beauty when executed properly. but i guess i believe in overcrooks fs or bs
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Allen. on March 10, 2010, 10:10:37 PM
I've heard people refer to a big flip as a big-spin flip. Just seems unnecessary to have the 'spin' in there. It would make a little more sense if bs flips were called small-spin flips, but they aren't. What do you guys call it? big flip or big-spin flip?

It really depends, I don't see a difference, it's like saying "Front Tail" instead of "Frontside Tailslide", to me.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 10, 2010, 10:47:15 PM
tucknee nose manual?
tailblock slide

I thought these same names for the Louie video.

I always thought that Sean Penns were Madonnas but just backside. Like your front foot still comes off on the heel side, you just don't turn it front side. It's when the front foot comes off the toe side that it becomes a judo. And then an anti-judo is when you kick your front foot off heel side, but don't bring the board up like you would for a Madonna. I've never seen a Sean Penn before, so I might be wrong with that, but I have seen the other three.
I thought the difference between a judo and a sean penn was doing it to tail

Maybe. Like I said-I've never seen one, so I'm not sure. Also, just to clarify, a bigger spin is where the board goes 540 and you go 180. If the board goes 540 and you go 360, then it's a 360 big spin or a variation (cab big spin, etc.)
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 10, 2010, 11:02:27 PM
I've heard people refer to a big flip as a big-spin flip. Just seems unnecessary to have the 'spin' in there. It would make a little more sense if bs flips were called small-spin flips, but they aren't. What do you guys call it? big flip or big-spin flip?
they are called bigspin flips "big flips" are what Andrew Reynolds does down sets of stairs. A bigspin and a kickflip at the sametime are bigspin flips. I know people use "big flip" all the time, but it sounds stupid to me.

the bigger spin thing is really annoying.
And to whoever said it, I heard b/s 360 kickflips called "chicago flips" too, back around the time "el nino flips" were cool.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 10, 2010, 11:33:49 PM
I've heard people refer to a big flip as a big-spin flip. Just seems unnecessary to have the 'spin' in there. It would make a little more sense if bs flips were called small-spin flips, but they aren't. What do you guys call it? big flip or big-spin flip?

God, I hope you're trolling...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: GnArcIsSisTic on March 10, 2010, 11:57:43 PM
Anyone know the nerdy spin/shove thing Marc Johnson did in a line in Fully Flared?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_962fZteRK4
3:17

i guess it's along the lines of all that 'bigger spin' bullshit.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 11, 2010, 12:59:29 AM
I would call that a nollie b/s 360 bigspin, but it's called a gazelle.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 11, 2010, 01:08:46 AM
I would call that a nollie b/s 360 bigspin, but it's called a gazelle.
no, its not. You aren't the first person to call it that, but you are just as wrong. A gazelle is something else.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 11, 2010, 01:53:51 AM
I would call that a nollie b/s 360 bigspin, but it's called a gazelle.
no, its not. You aren't the first person to call it that, but you are just as wrong. A gazelle is something else.

What's a gazelle then? I don't remember if we've gone over this.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: ratherwatch on March 11, 2010, 04:35:22 AM
I would call that a nollie b/s 360 bigspin, but it's called a gazelle.
no, its not. You aren't the first person to call it that, but you are just as wrong. A gazelle is something else.

What's a gazelle then? I don't remember if we've gone over this.
My understanding was that a gazelle dismount was when Montessi or Carroll would flop off a noseslide to fakie then pivot around on the back truck to come out forwards. it all went to the wall when people began to get that stuff out of slides clean, in the air. The half nabs thing in the UK was due to the fact that RAD magazine was basically a Southbank coolguy fansheet by that stage and anything those 6 or 7 dudes said went, despite it making no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: layzieyez on March 11, 2010, 06:16:52 AM
How about anything involving more spins than a bigger spin is just relegated to the name meat spin?  That would be fucking great.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mcpeepants on March 11, 2010, 07:04:02 AM
I've heard people refer to a big flip as a big-spin flip. Just seems unnecessary to have the 'spin' in there. It would make a little more sense if bs flips were called small-spin flips, but they aren't. What do you guys call it? big flip or big-spin flip?

God, I hope you're trolling...

 ??? Everyone I skate with calls em big flips. But I've heard some people say big-spin flip. I was just asking. That's the point of this thread isn't it?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: jacquesknife on March 11, 2010, 10:17:30 AM
Going too far down this road will give you a nervous breakdown at best....just take it at face value and save on medical bills. It is what it is
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 10:31:05 AM
in another barely legal way, a 'fakie crooked grind' would really be like one of those tweaked fakie b/s nosegrinds that kalis does ('fakie ollie switch suski', lulz). in every other instance that i can think of The Rules work, even if they seem awkward -- ba's fakie f/s feeble grind often being mislabeled as a fakie hurricane

interesting point on the fakie crooked grind/fakie nosegrind a la kalis idea...
not sure if you're saying fakie hurricanes should be called fakie f/s feebles or not, couldn't quite follow which side of the argument you're coming from-- but fakie feebles of any sort don't exist. the direction you're traveling and the way you get into it wouldn't line up semantically. but that made me think of a cool trick idea-- picture this: riding up like you're gonna do a fakie back tail. f/s half cab you over-rotate a little into a regular feeble grind...


never heard of a meatspin! biggerspin for sure, but meatspin is entertaining.



You're setting yourself up for a very disturbing and traumatizing experience there....

wouldn't be the first time.

we didn't really touch on many of the boneless/footplant variations yet: creepers, ice plants, bean plants, texas plants, etc... it's a zoo of names in the tranny sector.
hey, does a b/s stalefish have another name? that always seemed virtually impossible to me. BUT i always wanted to see somebody overturn a f/s stalefish into a switch method and come in backwards- now THAT would be sick!
What about Jolly mambo sex change variel? I never fully got what they were talking about in Animal Chin...

"awe your messed up"

i always took those as two different tricks-- was he combining them there???
Yeah I think so but what the hell is Jolly mambo?  and sex change variel is a spread eagle fs shove grab? ahh fuck I don't know.

jolly mambo is a f/s invert that you over-rotate and tweak , stall, and then bring in to fakie. kinda the same as a miller flip in total, but the way you execute the motion is much different. another blender trick and name. notice a trend here?
sex change is an air where you take your front foot off and insert the board between your legs, like a pogo, and then come back in. i can only imagine the varial edition would turning the  board or your body after the board between your legs part.

tucknee nose manual?
tailblock slide

I thought these same names for the Louie video.

I always thought that Sean Penns were Madonnas but just backside. Like your front foot still comes off on the heel side, you just don't turn it front side. It's when the front foot comes off the toe side that it becomes a judo. And then an anti-judo is when you kick your front foot off heel side, but don't bring the board up like you would for a Madonna. I've never seen a Sean Penn before, so I might be wrong with that, but I have seen the other three.
I thought the difference between a judo and a sean penn was doing it to tail

no. i have received conformation here. sean penn is kicking on the opposite side of the board from the way you kick a judo. meaning behind you. judo to tail is just judo to tail, it has no name. i talked to dawes about this, he got up in arms and got into the whole "frigid" vs "judo" thing, too. watch out, he might chime in here and he'll probably cal me out on something i've mislabeled...

***briden nailed it on the response he gave. good work***

I've heard people refer to a big flip as a big-spin flip. Just seems unnecessary to have the 'spin' in there. It would make a little more sense if bs flips were called small-spin flips, but they aren't. What do you guys call it? big flip or big-spin flip?

"big flip" is just short hand for "bigspin kickflip" in the same way "back tail" is short for "backside tailslide." call it whichever, it's like calling somebody Tom or Thomas. but don't call anything "small flip." that's not ok.
and speaking of bigspin stuff, this one hasn't come up yet: the spin-off. it's the opposite of a bigspin, meaning you go 360 and the board goes 180. lotti had

I would call that a nollie b/s 360 bigspin, but it's called a gazelle.
a nice one.

that's not a gazelle. my understanding of gazelles can be used in two different ways: 1) the way ratherwatch describes them as wack 270 dismounts out of ledge tricks; and 2) before that it was used to describe b/s nollie 360s before noses existed and you couldn't really pop them. they were like pressure off the nose 360 spins that you pivoted.
what marc does there would be, jeez, a nollie 540 shove-it 360 body varial. that's a rodney mullen thing, he might have given it a name. not sure.

How about anything involving more spins than a bigger spin is just relegated to the name meat spin?  That would be fucking great.

backing that term!

and here's another one: The Special. this is one kalis tried to get to catch on but i don't think it did. that was his term for switch f/s bigspin heelflips.
keep 'em coming!
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: remEMBer on March 11, 2010, 10:36:43 AM
Thanks again for clearing that up! Whiteley coming in here like Obi Wan!
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 10:39:04 AM
and i got bitched out for calling a varial heel a varial heel instead of a heelflip shuv in the es game of skate last year

oh, and i was thinking about this more. while "heel shove" is common terminology these does for a "varial heel" it's actually wrong. a "heel shove" would be correct shorthand for an inwards heelflip, but correct shorthand for a varial heel would have to be "heel f/s shove"-- otherwise, when it's just "shove" it implies it's a backside shove-it, changing the direction the board is turning.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 11, 2010, 10:41:18 AM
So a Sean Penn is a backside Madonna?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 10:48:57 AM
^yeah, basically. all the same grabs and body movements as a madonna, but turning backside instead. for the youths, madonna and sean penn were married at the time this trick came out and i can only assume it was named the sean penn because it was the opposite of (the) madonna. either that or because sean penn was up on the backside of madonna. ba-dum-bump! thanks, i'll be here all week...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 11, 2010, 11:15:47 AM
in another barely legal way, a 'fakie crooked grind' would really be like one of those tweaked fakie b/s nosegrinds that kalis does ('fakie ollie switch suski', lulz). in every other instance that i can think of The Rules work, even if they seem awkward -- ba's fakie f/s feeble grind often being mislabeled as a fakie hurricane

interesting point on the fakie crooked grind/fakie nosegrind a la kalis idea...
not sure if you're saying fakie hurricanes should be called fakie f/s feebles or not, couldn't quite follow which side of the argument you're coming from-- but fakie feebles of any sort don't exist.

edit, just realised that's a hurricane...


Here's a bs fakie feeble, though, at 2:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WUaGEUGUKg
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 11:31:01 AM
in another barely legal way, a 'fakie crooked grind' would really be like one of those tweaked fakie b/s nosegrinds that kalis does ('fakie ollie switch suski', lulz). in every other instance that i can think of The Rules work, even if they seem awkward -- ba's fakie f/s feeble grind often being mislabeled as a fakie hurricane

interesting point on the fakie crooked grind/fakie nosegrind a la kalis idea...
not sure if you're saying fakie hurricanes should be called fakie f/s feebles or not, couldn't quite follow which side of the argument you're coming from-- but fakie feebles of any sort don't exist.

edit, just realised that's a hurricane...


Here's a bs fakie feeble, though, at 2:56

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WUaGEUGUKg

No! that's a fakie f/s hurricane. like i've written in here before, the way fakie tricks work is that you look at what the trick would have been if you got into it normally, and then you add the approach title. with this, if he had gotten into it going regular, it would be a f/s hurricane, but because he got into it from fakie, it's a fakie f/s hurricane. "fakie feeble" does not exist! for something to be a "feeble" you have to be traveling forwards, so you can't get into it from going fakie. you can ollie or nollie into a feeble, but you can't go fakie into it.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 11, 2010, 11:37:52 AM
Whitely, your assistance is needed in The Tom Penny Show thread (http://www.slapmagazine.com/Forum/index.php?topic=42841)
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 11, 2010, 11:40:54 AM
I see what you mean. But, just for argument's sake, a hurricane requires a 180, here there isn't one, it's just a feeble going backwards...


I've been trying to think of other similar examples but right now it seems to me to be unique...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 11, 2010, 11:52:52 AM
I see what you mean. But, just for argument's sake, a hurricane requires a 180, here there isn't one, it's just a feeble going backwards...


I've been trying to think of other similar examples but right now it seems to me to be unique...

That trick people have been doing a lot lately, fakie ollie to switchstance willy grind (is that even the right term for it? Everyone here called them lazy grinds when I was growing up), is always called a fakie smith. According to Whitely, they should be called fakie sugarcanes, but I've never heard them go by that name.

I'm with Alan on this one, fakie feeble, but for the sake of not having to lecture people at the skatepark, I submit to fakie hurricanes.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 11:57:26 AM
Whitely, your assistance is needed in The Tom Penny Show thread (http://www.slapmagazine.com/Forum/index.php?topic=42841)

i'm on my way!

I see what you mean. But, just for argument's sake, a hurricane requires a 180, here there isn't one, it's just a feeble going backwards...


I've been trying to think of other similar examples but right now it seems to me to be unique...


hear me now and believe me later- there is no feeble going backwards! again, with fakie names, it depends how you would have gotten into the position if you had been going forwards- to get into that position going forwards, yes, he would have done a (nearly) 180-- BUT to get into that position from fakie, it does not take a 180. however, he still ends up in the f/s hurricane position. that's why it is a "fakie f/s hurricane." THERE IS NO FAKIE FEEBLE!
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 12:07:05 PM
I see what you mean. But, just for argument's sake, a hurricane requires a 180, here there isn't one, it's just a feeble going backwards...


I've been trying to think of other similar examples but right now it seems to me to be unique...

That trick people have been doing a lot lately, fakie ollie to switchstance willy grind (is that even the right term for it? Everyone here called them lazy grinds when I was growing up), is always called a fakie smith. According to Whitely, they should be called fakie sugarcanes, but I've never heard them go by that name.

I'm with Alan on this one, fakie feeble, but for the sake of not having to lecture people at the skatepark, I submit to fakie hurricanes.

ok, i can see the discrepancy in titling logic here, actually. the fakie smith grind is what you are referring to above, because you are going fakie into a smith grind position- even though you are traveling backwards. but you're right- looking at it with the same standards as the fakie hurricane, it should be called a fakie sugarcane. interesting... but not a fakie ollie to switch f/s willy grind because that crosses the "you don't go from fakie into switch during the same trick line."
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Zurg on March 11, 2010, 12:08:02 PM
what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 11, 2010, 12:12:34 PM
what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that
Fakie baglady?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Firebert on March 11, 2010, 12:15:19 PM
what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that

just call it a fakie sieben grind...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 12:23:55 PM
what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that

don't think there's a name for that. and there's no proper way to describe it, either-- both ways cross the line. you either fakie ollie into switch feeble, which crosses the line, or switch nollie feeble, which totally crosses the line. this trick is crushing language!

what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that
Fakie baglady?

my understanding of a baglady is that it's lipslide/nosegrind combo, like an ollie into a switch hurricane. so don't think you can do a fakie baglady...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 11, 2010, 12:32:26 PM

hear me now and believe me later- there is no feeble going backwards! again, with fakie names, it depends how you would have gotten into the position if you had been going forwards- to get into that position going forwards, yes, he would have done a (nearly) 180-- BUT to get into that position from fakie, it does not take a 180. however, he still ends up in the f/s hurricane position. that's why it is a "fakie f/s hurricane." THERE IS NO FAKIE FEEBLE!

I hear and believe you, I just wanted completel clarification. ;D
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: alrightythen on March 11, 2010, 12:34:37 PM

what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that
Fakie baglady?

my understanding of a baglady is that it's lipslide/nosegrind combo, like an ollie into a switch hurricane. so don't think you can do a fakie baglady...

so a baglady is kinda like what they call in skate - a overwilly?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 11, 2010, 12:37:14 PM

what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that
Fakie baglady?

my understanding of a baglady is that it's lipslide/nosegrind combo, like an ollie into a switch hurricane. so don't think you can do a fakie baglady...

so a baglady is kinda like what they call in skate - a overwilly?
Correct
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: jalopy james on March 11, 2010, 12:46:45 PM
this by far is my new favorite thread on slap. sloth in a box was winning there for a long time, but there's shit in here i've never even heard of before.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bbk on March 11, 2010, 12:57:08 PM
I'll still claim fakie feeble, either it's fakie feeble and smith or fakie hurricane and sugarcane, can't just pick and choose and then claim that's the way it is.

I also think that if a fakie fs 5-0 is fs then so should a fakie "bs" tail, the obstacle is frontside and it's the same body rotation but going backwards, it should be simple as that
now I know most won't agree, saying it's a fakie ollie into a normal bs tail, and sure put a "to" in there and it's just unnecessary instead of wrong, obstacle is frontside and that should be it, it's the most logical way to name fakie grinds and slides
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 11, 2010, 01:06:12 PM
what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that

don't think there's a name for that. and there's no proper way to describe it, either-- both ways cross the line. you either fakie ollie into switch feeble, which crosses the line, or switch nollie feeble, which totally crosses the line. this trick is crushing language!

what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that
Fakie baglady?

my understanding of a baglady is that it's lipslide/nosegrind combo, like an ollie into a switch hurricane. so don't think you can do a fakie baglady...

I thought a nosegrind/lipslide was first called a New Deal. We called them novacaines. and a sugarcane is like a  270 to fakiesmith/willy grind?

Willy grinds we called Cam grinds because there was this dork named Cam that went to my tried to do a 50-50, but only his front truck made it on the curb and he ended up spraining his neck really bad. One time, in 8th or 9th grade it was talent show day and he told me "I'm doing Summer Girls in the talent show." and I didn't know what he was talking about. Then, come talent show time he lip synced this terrible song , at one point popping up his collar on his acid washed jean jacket. Man, that dude sucked.

and one time I heard Eric J. refer to a bag lady as like when you screw up on a ramp trick and fall, but your feet are still on the board and you have to put your hands down and muscle it in.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Firebert on March 11, 2010, 01:09:12 PM
I also think that if a fakie fs 5-0 is fs then so should a fakie "bs" tail, the obstacle is frontside and it's the same body rotation but going backwards, it should be simple as that
yes, goddamnit
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 01:10:55 PM

hear me now and believe me later- there is no feeble going backwards! again, with fakie names, it depends how you would have gotten into the position if you had been going forwards- to get into that position going forwards, yes, he would have done a (nearly) 180-- BUT to get into that position from fakie, it does not take a 180. however, he still ends up in the f/s hurricane position. that's why it is a "fakie f/s hurricane." THERE IS NO FAKIE FEEBLE!

I hear and believe you, I just wanted completel clarification. ;D

sorry, not trying to be a dick. you ever see hans and franz?

I'll still claim fakie feeble, either it's fakie feeble and smith or fakie hurricane and sugarcane, can't just pick and choose and then claim that's the way it is.

I also think that if a fakie fs 5-0 is fs then so should a fakie "bs" tail, the obstacle is frontside and it's the same body rotation but going backwards, it should be simple as that
now I know most won't agree, saying it's a fakie ollie into a normal bs tail, and sure put a "to" in there and it's just unnecessary instead of wrong, obstacle is frontside and that should be it, it's the most logical way to name fakie grinds and slides

you're definitely partially (?) right- there is inconsistency in the naming. the fakie smith vs fakie hurricane thing is what made me see that. to be consistent with the way fakie tricks were originally named, i think fakie hurricane is correct, but that fakie smith should actually be called fakie sugarcane. that said it just doesn't seem right because a sugarcane is such a massively over-rotated trick that getting into it fakie with a tiny little shift just doesn't seem right. but i guess technically it is! this may require more research... we've stumbled across something fundamentally incorrect in our language! maybe we need to make a tally of fakie tricks, see how many are named properly and how many are named wrong, and re-title some of them. that said, i doubt anybody will really adopt the new terms. but this is something of note!
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 01:14:09 PM
what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that

don't think there's a name for that. and there's no proper way to describe it, either-- both ways cross the line. you either fakie ollie into switch feeble, which crosses the line, or switch nollie feeble, which totally crosses the line. this trick is crushing language!

what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that
Fakie baglady?

my understanding of a baglady is that it's lipslide/nosegrind combo, like an ollie into a switch hurricane. so don't think you can do a fakie baglady...

I thought a nosegrind/lipslide was first called a New Deal. We called them novacaines. and a sugarcane is like a  270 to fakiesmith/willy grind?

Willy grinds we called Cam grinds because there was this dork named Cam that went to my tried to do a 50-50, but only his front truck made it on the curb and he ended up spraining his neck really bad. One time, in 8th or 9th grade it was talent show day and he told me "I'm doing Summer Girls in the talent show." and I didn't know what he was talking about. Then, come talent show time he lip synced this terrible song , at one point popping up his collar on his acid washed jean jacket. Man, that dude sucked.

and one time I heard Eric J. refer to a bag lady as like when you screw up on a ramp trick and fall, but your feet are still on the board and you have to put your hands down and muscle it in.

for the nosegrind/lipslide combo, i have heard new deal as well. however, i think a novacaine is a 180 to switch feeble, but damn, i think i have seen it used for the same trick as new deal/bag lady. and yes on your sugarcane definition. chris miller!
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bbk on March 11, 2010, 01:16:46 PM
I also think that if a fakie fs 5-0 is fs then so should a fakie "bs" tail, the obstacle is frontside and it's the same body rotation but going backwards, it should be simple as that
yes, goddamnit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qproqejhb9Y

You and me viva hate, you and me
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Firebert on March 11, 2010, 01:21:27 PM
okay, i'm the redhead though.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: grizz on March 11, 2010, 01:28:28 PM


for the nosegrind/lipslide combo, i have heard new deal as well. however, i think a novacaine is a 180 to switch feeble, but damn, i think i have seen it used for the same trick as new deal/bag lady. and yes on your sugarcane definition. chris miller!

thought the nosegrind/lipslide thing was a losi grind???
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 11, 2010, 01:33:24 PM
Well than what's it's called when you put your left foot in, take your left foot out, put your left foot in and you shake it all about?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 01:49:02 PM


for the nosegrind/lipslide combo, i have heard new deal as well. however, i think a novacaine is a 180 to switch feeble, but damn, i think i have seen it used for the same trick as new deal/bag lady. and yes on your sugarcane definition. chris miller!

thought the nosegrind/lipslide thing was a losi grind???

damnit, that's used too! that trick has WAY too many names. i was thinking this before, but the new deal may be the non-grinding version of that trick, like smith stall vs smith grind. i think mike smith actually only invented the smith stall, and somebody else grinded them first.

oh oh, and i meant to mention this one during the whole jolly mambo thing earlier- who knows what a Fall Guy is?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Commercial D on March 11, 2010, 01:59:08 PM
For some reason in the early '90s everyone in Winnipeg called a 360° flip a "board flip."
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 11, 2010, 02:22:57 PM
that trick must be ancient to be named after this
(http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1181014721_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 02:31:52 PM
that trick must be ancient to be named after this
(http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1181014721_1.jpg)


probably similar vintage actually. but do you know what it is???
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 11, 2010, 03:18:44 PM


for the nosegrind/lipslide combo, i have heard new deal as well. however, i think a novacaine is a 180 to switch feeble, but damn, i think i have seen it used for the same trick as new deal/bag lady. and yes on your sugarcane definition. chris miller!

thought the nosegrind/lipslide thing was a losi grind???

damnit, that's used too! that trick has WAY too many names. i was thinking this before, but the new deal may be the non-grinding version of that trick, like smith stall vs smith grind. i think mike smith actually only invented the smith stall, and somebody else grinded them first.

oh oh, and i meant to mention this one during the whole jolly mambo thing earlier- who knows what a Fall Guy is?

A New Deal is a stalled nose pivot invented by Neil Blender, according to a Thrasher article from bitd...

And yeah, I get the snl quote now, thanks Wikipedia.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 03:35:37 PM
"A New Deal is a stalled nose pivot invented by Neil Blender, according to a Thrasher article from bitd..."

maybe a nose pick pivot going to board, which might be where it gets confused with the grinding version- the losi/baglady? but wait, what was the one where you do a nose stall tail grab but in the same motion you nollie b/s 180 and go to disaster? that was a weird early '90s miniramp trick that's coming to mind when i hear "new deal" too..
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 11, 2010, 03:36:35 PM
that trick must be ancient to be named after this
(http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/190/1181014721_1.jpg)


probably similar vintage actually. but do you know what it is???
No, but I assume it looks like something Todd Falcon or Doug Brown would do.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 03:42:07 PM
Fall Guy= frontside invert to fakie. not revert, but fakie. must be SO hard.
and what about f/s stalefish invert? holy crap. i think i've seen one photo ever of that- ben schroeder.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 11, 2010, 03:54:33 PM
Not flippety doo or spinny at all, damn.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 11, 2010, 04:07:57 PM
Ok, just to fuck with that "it's impossible to do a fakie feeble" thing, what about on tranny? Or would that be called a frontside halfcab feeble?

And its a goddamn fakie back tail because you turn into it. If you started fakie going at a ledge frontside and popped and turned into in a regular 5-0, it would be a backside 5-0. Would you say that a backside 5-0 was frontside because the dude approached it frontside? Its not called a half cab frontside 5-0 in that one, its a half cab backside 5-0. In this one you do a fakie ollie into a regular BACKSIDE tailslide. You can't really do a fakie tailslide, you can only fakie ollie into a tailslide.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 04:35:13 PM
Ok, just to fuck with that "it's impossible to do a fakie feeble" thing, what about on tranny? Or would that be called a frontside halfcab feeble?

And its a goddamn fakie back tail because you turn into it. If you started fakie going at a ledge frontside and popped and turned into in a regular 5-0, it would be a backside 5-0. Would you say that a backside 5-0 was frontside because the dude approached it frontside? Its not called a half cab frontside 5-0 in that one, its a half cab backside 5-0. In this one you do a fakie ollie into a regular BACKSIDE tailslide. You can't really do a fakie tailslide, you can only fakie ollie into a tailslide.

coming up fakie and starting to turn f/s half cab but stopping short and getting into a normal feeble? i'd call that a f/s half cab feeble, yeah.

the half cab to 5-0 thing is tricky in it's language because you can get into a b/s 5-0 from both a regular half cab (going over the top of the ledge with a little over rotation, like you'd do for a cab back tail) or a f/s half cab (staying on the outside of the ledge with a little under rotation, like an over-rotated fakie back tial)- so you have to be clear which half cab you're talking about.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 11, 2010, 05:12:23 PM
Ok, just to fuck with that "it's impossible to do a fakie feeble" thing, what about on tranny? Or would that be called a frontside halfcab feeble?

And its a goddamn fakie back tail because you turn into it. If you started fakie going at a ledge frontside and popped and turned into in a regular 5-0, it would be a backside 5-0. Would you say that a backside 5-0 was frontside because the dude approached it frontside? Its not called a half cab frontside 5-0 in that one, its a half cab backside 5-0. In this one you do a fakie ollie into a regular BACKSIDE tailslide. You can't really do a fakie tailslide, you can only fakie ollie into a tailslide.

coming up fakie and starting to turn f/s half cab but stopping short and getting into a normal feeble? i'd call that a f/s half cab feeble, yeah.

the half cab to 5-0 thing is tricky in it's language because you can get into a b/s 5-0 from both a regular half cab (going over the top of the ledge with a little over rotation, like you'd do for a cab back tail) or a f/s half cab (staying on the outside of the ledge with a little under rotation, like an over-rotated fakie back tial)- so you have to be clear which half cab you're talking about.
Oh for sure, I don't know if I can think of anybody that I have seen do a f/s half cab to b/s 5-0, but I'm sure it can be done. regular half cab to f/s 5-0's are cool as fuck though. I was just saying that a 5-0 can be done fakie or regular, and it is two different tricks, not so with a tailslide.

Here is one for you: What is the proper way to say somebody did something to fakie when they are skating switch. It's always fucking annoying to explain to people. "He backtailed that hubba!" "To fakie or regular?" "It was to fakie, I mean regular, like if it was regular it would be to fakie..." Going back to switch is easy to say- switch backtail back to switch, but the other one throws me.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 11, 2010, 05:14:35 PM
Oh, and I forgot, even if f/s halfcab feeble is what you would call it, would it be wrong to call that a fakie b/s feeble?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 11, 2010, 05:24:24 PM

Oh for sure, I don't know if I can think of anybody that I have seen do a f/s half cab to b/s 5-0, but I'm sure it can be done. regular half cab to f/s 5-0's are cool as fuck though. I was just saying that a 5-0 can be done fakie or regular, and it is two different tricks, not so with a tailslide.
PJ Ladd, and he's also done it with a heelflip thrown in and with b/s 180 out (separately, not in the same trick)
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 11, 2010, 06:01:14 PM
Whitely-you described a baglady as a nosegrind/lipslide combo. So a fakie ollie to switch feeble would be a fakie bag lady because your tail goes over (as in a fakie back lip) and you're grinding on the nose's truck.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mcpeepants on March 11, 2010, 07:59:08 PM
I've heard people refer to a big flip as a big-spin flip. Just seems unnecessary to have the 'spin' in there. It would make a little more sense if bs flips were called small-spin flips, but they aren't. What do you guys call it? big flip or big-spin flip?

"big flip" is just short hand for "bigspin kickflip" in the same way "back tail" is short for "backside tailslide." call it whichever, it's like calling somebody Tom or Thomas. but don't call anything "small flip." that's not ok.
and speaking of bigspin stuff, this one hasn't come up yet: the spin-off. it's the opposite of a bigspin, meaning you go 360 and the board goes 180. lotti had

Thanks for clearing that up. I had a feeling it was something like that. And the small-spin flip thing was my dry internet sarcasm  8)
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Bobby Peru on March 11, 2010, 09:03:04 PM
what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that

just call it a fakie sieben grind...

I thought a Sieben grind was a front 180 switch front feeble.

I've always thought "pop shove-it boardslides" would make more sense than "bigspin boardslides," since you're only rotating it an extra 90 degrees. My reasoning is that a pop shove-it over a hip going backside isn't called a bigspin, even though you're popping it an extra 90 degrees. Anybody feel free to let me know if/why I'm stupid.

Also Whiteley, when did ollie one-foots become ollie norths? Was that Tony Hawk's Pro Skater's doing?

And I agree wholeheartedly that there should be a "meatspin." When I was 13, I used to try this stationary trick that was a f/s shove and my body would rotate 360 frontside. If nobody minds, I'm going to work on those while moving this weekend and call it a meatspin.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: grizz on March 11, 2010, 09:35:47 PM
definitely heard "ollie north" around the time that one foots became popular: early 90s. Oliver North became a household name just a few years before this due to the Iran Contra affair.   
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Hola on March 11, 2010, 09:56:08 PM
definitely heard "ollie north" around the time that one foots became popular: early 90s. Oliver North became a household name just a few years before this due to the Iran Contra affair.   


when i started skating, one foot ollies were called 'cowboys', at least at the skatepark i went to in arizona
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 11, 2010, 09:56:22 PM
Ok, just to fuck with that "it's impossible to do a fakie feeble" thing, what about on tranny? Or would that be called a frontside halfcab feeble?

And its a goddamn fakie back tail because you turn into it. If you started fakie going at a ledge frontside and popped and turned into in a regular 5-0, it would be a backside 5-0. Would you say that a backside 5-0 was frontside because the dude approached it frontside? Its not called a half cab frontside 5-0 in that one, its a half cab backside 5-0. In this one you do a fakie ollie into a regular BACKSIDE tailslide. You can't really do a fakie tailslide, you can only fakie ollie into a tailslide.

coming up fakie and starting to turn f/s half cab but stopping short and getting into a normal feeble? i'd call that a f/s half cab feeble, yeah.

the half cab to 5-0 thing is tricky in it's language because you can get into a b/s 5-0 from both a regular half cab (going over the top of the ledge with a little over rotation, like you'd do for a cab back tail) or a f/s half cab (staying on the outside of the ledge with a little under rotation, like an over-rotated fakie back tial)- so you have to be clear which half cab you're talking about.
Ok, just to fuck with that "it's impossible to do a fakie feeble" thing, what about on tranny? Or would that be called a frontside halfcab feeble?

And its a goddamn fakie back tail because you turn into it. If you started fakie going at a ledge frontside and popped and turned into in a regular 5-0, it would be a backside 5-0. Would you say that a backside 5-0 was frontside because the dude approached it frontside? Its not called a half cab frontside 5-0 in that one, its a half cab backside 5-0. In this one you do a fakie ollie into a regular BACKSIDE tailslide. You can't really do a fakie tailslide, you can only fakie ollie into a tailslide.

coming up fakie and starting to turn f/s half cab but stopping short and getting into a normal feeble? i'd call that a f/s half cab feeble, yeah.

the half cab to 5-0 thing is tricky in it's language because you can get into a b/s 5-0 from both a regular half cab (going over the top of the ledge with a little over rotation, like you'd do for a cab back tail) or a f/s half cab (staying on the outside of the ledge with a little under rotation, like an over-rotated fakie back tial)- so you have to be clear which half cab you're talking about.
Oh for sure, I don't know if I can think of anybody that I have seen do a f/s half cab to b/s 5-0, but I'm sure it can be done. regular half cab to f/s 5-0's are cool as fuck though. I was just saying that a 5-0 can be done fakie or regular, and it is two different tricks, not so with a tailslide.

Here is one for you: What is the proper way to say somebody did something to fakie when they are skating switch. It's always fucking annoying to explain to people. "He backtailed that hubba!" "To fakie or regular?" "It was to fakie, I mean regular, like if it was regular it would be to fakie..." Going back to switch is easy to say- switch backtail back to switch, but the other one throws me.

like briden said, pj has done it, and i'm sure other have too. i've accidentally grinded a couple trying fakie back tails, but could never intentionally get into one. blast. but true true on the 5-0/tailslide variances in definition.
as for the switch to regular/switch to switch thing, i'd just still go with "to fakie" if the total motion completed is 180, as opposed to back to original direction.

as for the fakie b/s feeble vs f/s half cab feeble, i've never heard it called that going either direction, only the half cab terminology, so i guess i'm gonna make a judgement call here and say yeah, it's wrong. but it's becoming clear i have a personal bias against anything that involves "fakie" and "feeble."

Whitely-you described a baglady as a nosegrind/lipslide combo. So a fakie ollie to switch feeble would be a fakie bag lady because your tail goes over (as in a fakie back lip) and you're grinding on the nose's truck.

hmm, i'd actually go with a fakie novecaine then-- baglady you're closer to a f/s nosegrind, whereas with a novacaine you 180 to switch feeble (i think-- we didn't get 100% certain on that trick definition yet). so fakie into the novacaine makes more positional sense. so yes i guess it does have a reasonable name technically, but damn, i don't think anybody does a lot of these tricks we're talking about at this point!
what would you call a fakie ollie to switch feeble? theres gotta be something catchier than that

just call it a fakie sieben grind...

I thought a Sieben grind was a front 180 switch front feeble.

I've always thought "pop shove-it boardslides" would make more sense than "bigspin boardslides," since you're only rotating it an extra 90 degrees. My reasoning is that a pop shove-it over a hip going backside isn't called a bigspin, even though you're popping it an extra 90 degrees. Anybody feel free to let me know if/why I'm stupid.

Also Whiteley, when did ollie one-foots become ollie norths? Was that Tony Hawk's Pro Skater's doing?

And I agree wholeheartedly that there should be a "meatspin." When I was 13, I used to try this stationary trick that was a f/s shove and my body would rotate 360 frontside. If nobody minds, I'm going to work on those while moving this weekend and call it a meatspin.

i seem to have missed the entirety of the sieben grind. any points of reference?
this also brings up the barley grind (f/s 180 switch smith) and the bennett grind (b/s 180 switch b/s smith). barley grind came about 10 years earlier, wonder why it didn't just end up a b/s barley grind when bennett did it...

on the bigspin thing, generally you round up- anything over 180 is bigspin. when you do a b/s pop shove over a hip going backside, do you really go more than 180 between the pop and the land? i don't see anybody doing that really... a pop shove-it to boardslide would be really hard and awkward, to get the end you're popping off up and over the rail as it spins towards it. with the bigspin kind, it spins away from it and can spin at an angle, ie not leveling out, so it's easier to get over the rail or whatever and into boardslide.

"ollie north" i remember hearing around the same time as "one foot" but it just didn't catch on as much, i think because it seemed hokey. anybody under 30 know who ollie north the person is? he wasn't cool enough to get a cool trick named after him, i think that's why it wasn't used as much to be honest...

as far as your meat spin, that would be a "f/s spin-off." i mentioned the b/s version earlier in the thread. i think for meat spin we were going with anything greater than a bigger spin. but it's just a joke anyhow, make your own meat spin!

Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 11, 2010, 10:25:30 PM
make your own meat spin!

Sig'd. Also, the Sieben grind reference comes from a Thrasher article Sieben wrote a few years ago. He claimed all variations of the 180 into switch feeble tricks should be ____ Sieben grind. As for the Bennet grind vs. Barley grind, I think it just got called the Bennett grind because he was the only person doing them for a while.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 11, 2010, 10:27:48 PM
make your own meat spin!
As for the Bennet grind vs. Barley grind, I think it just got called the Bennett grind because he was the only person doing them for a while.
I remember Darrell doing one, maybe in a contest, before Bennett did them and people around here called them Darrell grinds for about 3 weeks.


Whitely, what's the difference between a spin-off and a spin out?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: layzieyez on March 11, 2010, 10:47:10 PM
I just find the Barley/Bennett grind more logical for naming convention since both popularized their respective trick while riding for Toy Machine and their skating style seems to be the polar opposite of the other (Donny Barley is head shaven and more power while Matt Bennett is a longhair with more finesse).  Also, if Bennett is west coast (I didn't look into his bio much), then that would be even better since Barley is east coast.  Darrell Stanton might have made one first, but I (like most other skateboarders) had never seen one before the Toy Machine video.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: lem on March 12, 2010, 01:55:32 AM
So I skimmed real quick this shit, not sure if people have brought these up.

Meatspin is in fact a term already in use. I've heard it from friends in MN, friends in AZ, friends from all over, so I can't really say it's regional or well known, but it's being used in a lot of places. Basically, switch the rotations of the bigspin. Kid does 360, board does 180. Does that have a different name?

As for gazelles, a lot of freestyle folks (The people doing them more often than most) coin MJ's 540 shove 360 bodyvarial a gazelle, that's what I'm heard it's been from EVERYONE. And even more specifically, they say it should be nollie. Biggerspin is just another term for it.

And that "ratherwatch wacky 270 out of grinds" would be pretzel out. Kids took it from snowboarding and bring it up occasionally. I make sure to chew them out for ever thinking that was ok to say.  :P

But I'm curious, A Happy Medium had a lot of them, they ride off and tap their board on the edge real quick. Do they have any kind of term for it? All my MN friends call it a Homoki, but I heard someone say deck check and I personally love that.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: clamy on March 12, 2010, 03:21:08 AM
There's a trick I do on ledges but I don't really know what to call it. Pretty much it's a half cab noseslide 270 shuv out. I usually call it a half cab nose switch front bigspin out. But I'm guessing it's actually a nollie bigspin out. And it'd only be a switch front big out if I did a switch front tail into it first? Even though its the same shuv out?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: metsuri on March 12, 2010, 03:29:52 AM
So I skimmed real quick this shit, not sure if people have brought these up.

Meatspin is in fact a term already in use. I've heard it from friends in MN, friends in AZ, friends from all over, so I can't really say it's regional or well known, but it's being used in a lot of places. Basically, switch the rotations of the bigspin. Kid does 360, board does 180. Does that have a different name?

As for gazelles, a lot of freestyle folks (The people doing them more often than most) coin MJ's 540 shove 360 bodyvarial a gazelle, that's what I'm heard it's been from EVERYONE. And even more specifically, they say it should be nollie. Biggerspin is just another term for it.

And that "ratherwatch wacky 270 out of grinds" would be pretzel out. Kids took it from snowboarding and bring it up occasionally. I make sure to chew them out for ever thinking that was ok to say.  :P

But I'm curious, A Happy Medium had a lot of them, they ride off and tap their board on the edge real quick. Do they have any kind of term for it? All my MN friends call it a Homoki, but I heard someone say deck check and I personally love that.

What you refer to as a meatspin is a spinout. And a pretzel is when you land cross legged. For the last one, deck check sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 12, 2010, 04:27:58 AM
There's a trick I do on ledges but I don't really know what to call it. Pretty much it's a half cab noseslide 270 shuv out. I usually call it a half cab nose switch front bigspin out. But I'm guessing it's actually a nollie bigspin out. And it'd only be a switch front big out if I did a switch front tail into it first? Even though its the same shuv out?

It's just a 270 shove it out (some would call it a big spin out but there's not a 360 board rotation or a body 180*). It's neither switch nor nollie, even though it's done off the nose...

Now, what about the 270 shoves done a la Anderson in Welcome to Hell, is there a short name for them or is the long explanation necessary?



* Actually, I guess it doesn't matter since a normal shove it out doesn't do a 180...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: cheep on March 12, 2010, 07:48:00 AM
nollie hardflip?  according to whitley if you do a hardflip off the nose it would be a nollie varial flip, which doesnt seem right at all.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: VictoriousOG on March 12, 2010, 08:02:57 AM
So I skimmed real quick this shit, not sure if people have brought these up.

Meatspin is in fact a term already in use. I've heard it from friends in MN, friends in AZ, friends from all over, so I can't really say it's regional or well known, but it's being used in a lot of places. Basically, switch the rotations of the bigspin. Kid does 360, board does 180. Does that have a different name?

As for gazelles, a lot of freestyle folks (The people doing them more often than most) coin MJ's 540 shove 360 bodyvarial a gazelle, that's what I'm heard it's been from EVERYONE. And even more specifically, they say it should be nollie. Biggerspin is just another term for it.

And that "ratherwatch wacky 270 out of grinds" would be pretzel out. Kids took it from snowboarding and bring it up occasionally. I make sure to chew them out for ever thinking that was ok to say.  :P

But I'm curious, A Happy Medium had a lot of them, they ride off and tap their board on the edge real quick. Do they have any kind of term for it? All my MN friends call it a Homoki, but I heard someone say deck check and I personally love that.

What you refer to as a meatspin is a spinout. And a pretzel is when you land cross legged. For the last one, deck check sounds good to me.

I call em check outs.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 12, 2010, 08:27:48 AM
So I skimmed real quick this shit, not sure if people have brought these up.

Meatspin is in fact a term already in use. I've heard it from friends in MN, friends in AZ, friends from all over, so I can't really say it's regional or well known, but it's being used in a lot of places. Basically, switch the rotations of the bigspin. Kid does 360, board does 180. Does that have a different name?

As for gazelles, a lot of freestyle folks (The people doing them more often than most) coin MJ's 540 shove 360 bodyvarial a gazelle, that's what I'm heard it's been from EVERYONE. And even more specifically, they say it should be nollie. Biggerspin is just another term for it.

And that "ratherwatch wacky 270 out of grinds" would be pretzel out. Kids took it from snowboarding and bring it up occasionally. I make sure to chew them out for ever thinking that was ok to say.  :P

But I'm curious, A Happy Medium had a lot of them, they ride off and tap their board on the edge real quick. Do they have any kind of term for it? All my MN friends call it a Homoki, but I heard someone say deck check and I personally love that.

What you refer to as a meatspin is a spinout. And a pretzel is when you land cross legged. For the last one, deck check sounds good to me.

I call em check outs.
Almost everyone in Chicago calls them "Chads" but I'm in no way saying that's the technical term
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: j....soy..... on March 12, 2010, 08:33:53 AM
if there was no karl watson we wouldn't even be discussing half these tricks...

Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 12, 2010, 08:41:49 AM



Whitely, what's the difference between a spin-off and a spin out?

A spin off is like Alice or Joanie Loves Chachi and a spin out is when you're doing harsh burnies in your Trans Am and donut into a telephone pole.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: watershed on March 12, 2010, 08:54:57 AM
Three sixty kickflip varial or tre?
Switch stance backside tailslide or ssbsts?
These are the questions that haunt me in the middle of the night.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: vince the stud on March 12, 2010, 08:59:21 AM
360 flip and switch back tail
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 09:10:43 AM
*OK, thanks for the reference point on the sieben grinder. as for the barley/bennet thing, yeah, as mentioned later i do agree that they were done by darrell first, and quite possibly others. but whatever, bennett grind it is. anybody else heard them called "bennettars"?

*a spin-off is the board goes 360 person goes 180 in my book. when you're spun out you've done too many drugs made in basements.

*ok, meat spin vs spin-off-- maybe this is more of a regional thing or something, but i've been using and hearing spin-off for that trick since 1990. never heard the meatspin until this thread.

*bigger spin and what mj does are not the same thing-- bigger spin is board goes 540, you still go 180. the board goes 540 and you go 360, i don't know a name for that one. i've never heard what marc does being called a gazelle, but maybe it's a situation where anything 360 pivoty off the nose can be some kind of gazelle. i don't know how certain we can really get with some off this. ACTUALLY WAIT-- i have a weird line to rodney mullen i can try out. i'll see if i can get an answer out of him...

*i have heard "pretzel" for the weird 270 thing, but not often. i have heard "pretzel" being used for leg crossing more often.

*i don't know if the ride-off tail cracks have an official name but they sure are cool. can't get a good one! anybody got the technique?

*clamy- yeah, half cab noseslide 270 shove.

*BA's trick- would have to watch the part to make sure but i remember him doing a f/s tailslide b/s 270 shove. that one?

*nollie hardflip-- what did i say about those? nollie hardflip is a hardflip because it folds inwards, the same way as a regular hardflip, regardless of it being off the nose. nollie varial flip flips outwards, like a nollie f/s flip. it might be best to avoid that trick in general. i've only seen it done beautifully once, by quim cardona over the BB wall, old 411 opener. consequently i ran that trick for awhile afterwards, but it always felt gross. also, does anybody else remember "hardflips" being called "inside flips" when they first appeared?

*and...
360 flip and switch back tail

never ever heard 360 varial flip. that sounds awful.

*oh, and this one is pretty widely known now, but do you know how laser flips got their name?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: cheep on March 12, 2010, 09:12:52 AM
i always assumed because of the sound affects in mike hayes part in time code....
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 12, 2010, 09:28:59 AM

*BA's trick- would have to watch the part to make sure but i remember him doing a f/s tailslide b/s 270 shove. that one?


Yup.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 09:29:32 AM
i always assumed because of the sound affects in mike hayes part in time code....

good man.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: rawbertson. on March 12, 2010, 09:30:16 AM
i always assumed because of the sound affects in mike hayes part in time code....

haha gangstarr song on that part

what do you call it when you fakie ollie, but you land in switch fs smith grind, is that a fakie willy??? or what is it when you fakie ollie and land in switch fs willy? is that fakie smith???
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 10:21:33 AM
i always assumed because of the sound affects in mike hayes part in time code....

haha gangstarr song on that part

what do you call it when you fakie ollie, but you land in switch fs smith grind, is that a fakie willy??? or what is it when you fakie ollie and land in switch fs willy? is that fakie smith???

1st- i guess the most obvious way would be fakie ollie to switch smith, but since technically that cross the fakie-to-switch terminology line you'd say it's a fakie ollie to barley grind? an ugly one, just like nollie smiths. just kinda weak looking. i do, however, like the fakie ollie into switch salad version, a la joey pepper. name for that one? pepper grind? haha.
2nd- as we discussed yesterday, usually i would have said it's a fakie smith, and honestly i'll probably continue to call it that, but what we figured out is that it might technically be a fakie sugarcane. i still don't feel good about that one though...

here's another one: coming at the ledge frontside, or coming at the corner of a ledge kinda frontside, over-turned f/s 180 nosegrind, so you end up switch backside 5-0, a la scott johnston. that's a sick one with no good name...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 12, 2010, 10:27:43 AM
That is a sick trick, but I don't have a name for it either. I'd just describe it as an over-turned 180 nosegrind to people. And Whiteley-my name for board goes 540 body goes 360 would be a 360 bigspin. Think of cab bigflips. You would just apply that same logic to other, non-fakie variations.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 12, 2010, 10:34:43 AM
That is a sick trick, but I don't have a name for it either. I'd just describe it as an over-turned 180 nosegrind to people. And Whiteley-my name for board goes 540 body goes 360 would be a 360 bigspin. Think of cab bigflips. You would just apply that same logic to other, non-fakie variations.
That would be a cab varial flip or a cab kickflip backside shuv? Or do you need to say backside, since if it was frontside it would be called a spinoff?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 10:51:25 AM
That is a sick trick, but I don't have a name for it either. I'd just describe it as an over-turned 180 nosegrind to people. And Whiteley-my name for board goes 540 body goes 360 would be a 360 bigspin. Think of cab bigflips. You would just apply that same logic to other, non-fakie variations.

yeah, me too on the overturner.
360 bigspin kinda works i guess. never really contemplated a name for that.
as for the cab bigflips, do you mean like a fakie bigspin flip, or a cab kickflip where the board turns 540 and you turn 360? i don't think i've ever seen that. i've seen people do it where the board does a 540 flip and the person turns 180, like a fakie bigger flip, but not the whole 360 of the body. that's gnarly.
this also raises the name of the fakie bigspin- i know that one has a ton of names. when i was growing up i heard "charlie brown", "my dick" and "pajama" for that, plus the f/s variants. bu then the nollie variants were just nollie bigspin and nollie f/s bigspin.
and the rick flip vs the nollie bigspin heel...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 12, 2010, 10:58:19 AM
That is a sick trick, but I don't have a name for it either. I'd just describe it as an over-turned 180 nosegrind to people. And Whiteley-my name for board goes 540 body goes 360 would be a 360 bigspin. Think of cab bigflips. You would just apply that same logic to other, non-fakie variations.
That would be a cab varial flip or a cab kickflip backside shuv? Or do you need to say backside, since if it was frontside it would be called a spinoff?

Cab bigflip-4:31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlvwfVCNCB0

It's body goes 360 with a 540 flip done riding fakie. And cab bigspins are semi-common. Ryan Gallant does them every once in a while-2:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH6qlqx8J2k

Donovan does cab bigflips a fair amount.
Rick flip vs nollie big heel is easy-Rick flips are f/s fakie big heels.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: cheep on March 12, 2010, 11:02:26 AM
(http://www.gifninja.com/Workspace/d041cb6b-29a6-43e7-af9b-4d3181be30b7/output.gif)
fs feeble back 270 in or fs feeble allyoop in?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Boston. on March 12, 2010, 11:11:18 AM
That is a sick trick, but I don't have a name for it either. I'd just describe it as an over-turned 180 nosegrind to people. And Whiteley-my name for board goes 540 body goes 360 would be a 360 bigspin. Think of cab bigflips. You would just apply that same logic to other, non-fakie variations.
a cab kickflip where the board turns 540 and you turn 360? i don't think i've ever seen that. i've seen people do it where the board does a 540 flip and the person turns 180, like a fakie bigger flip, but not the whole 360 of the body. that's gnarly.

that's another pj ladd trick
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 11:15:14 AM
oh man, had forgotten about that one from pj. amazing. and the gallant one was sick as well. ok, we'll go with cab big spins and cab big flips. word.
on the rick flip stuff, yeah i know what it is, used to love doing them, but i was meaning more along the lines of why aren't the nollie ones called nollie rick flips. just a curiosity question.
and cheep, i'd say f/s feeble b/s 270. i don't know if you can use alley-oop just to get out of a trick, i think it's more just for getting into one or the overall motion of a trick. but i think if you did say f/s feeble alley-oop in people would get it within a couple more seconds...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 11:24:49 AM
i always assumed because of the sound affects in mike hayes part in time code....

here's another interesting fact: nollie lasers (nollie 360 varial heels) were invented before regular lasers (see armando barajas crsuhing them in the early '90s). can you think of any other tricks where the nollie version came before the regular version?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bumpnrun on March 12, 2010, 12:12:29 PM
i always assumed because of the sound affects in mike hayes part in time code....

here's another interesting fact: nollie lasers (nollie 360 varial heels) were invented before regular lasers (see armando barajas crsuhing them in the early '90s). can you think of any other tricks where the nollie version came before the regular version?

Not nollie but... fakie big spins were being done way before big spins were.  And to be honest, fakie big spins didn't really have a proper name before.  People around here called them my-dicks, my-cunts etc.  Some Rick Howard lingo iirc.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: lem on March 12, 2010, 12:43:45 PM
*ok, meat spin vs spin-off-- maybe this is more of a regional thing or something, but i've been using and hearing spin-off for that trick since 1990. never heard the meatspin until this thread.
Maybe it is regional or just the newer wave of skaters, because I've never heard a spin-off and have only heard meatspin.
*i have heard "pretzel" for the weird 270 thing, but not often. i have heard "pretzel" being used for leg crossing more often.
I've heard the leg crossing as crossfoot, which I guess might be a freestyler's slang for it, since they were the ones who told me about that.
*i don't know if the ride-off tail cracks have an official name but they sure are cool. can't get a good one! anybody got the technique?
By the tapping of the board I mean in the middle, like when you ride off a large drop you smack the middle of the board real quick. But I did see a guy riding by on like, folsom and he did that tail smack thing. Like he rode off and somehow lifted up and his tail hit the curb in a very appealing manner.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: clamy on March 12, 2010, 01:28:39 PM
Rick flip vs nollie big heel is easy-Rick flips are f/s fakie big heels.

Everyone around here used to call fakie f/s big heels Howard flips but never Rick flips. Same but different.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 01:36:10 PM
i always assumed because of the sound affects in mike hayes part in time code....

here's another interesting fact: nollie lasers (nollie 360 varial heels) were invented before regular lasers (see armando barajas crsuhing them in the early '90s). can you think of any other tricks where the nollie version came before the regular version?

Not nollie but... fakie big spins were being done way before big spins were.  And to be honest, fakie big spins didn't really have a proper name before.  People around here called them my-dicks, my-cunts etc.  Some Rick Howard lingo iirc.

i remember seeing bigspins and fakie bigspins around the same time, like early h-street days. what were fakie bigspins seen in before that era?

rick flips/howard flips- can anybody recall seeing them done before rick did one down stairs in questionable? seems gnarly that that trick's first appearance would be down a decent amount of stairs. markovich was throwing them down stairs around the same time, like down the 7 at embarcadero in the color video, but not sure if i saw any on flat or anything much before that. did rick do them in anyt blockhead footage?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ice Cream For Crow on March 12, 2010, 02:06:41 PM
I always called a spin off a Lotti because to my knowledge, he was the first guy to do it. Did he actually invent the trick?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 02:10:06 PM
I always called a spin off a Lotti because to my knowledge, he was the first guy to do it. Did he actually invent the trick?

quite possible, first i ever saw as well. that's one i could confirm via ocean howell maybe. i think ocean may have invented the bigspin actually. let me check with him on both...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Pete on March 12, 2010, 02:55:32 PM
not sure if its been discussed but a fakie ollie to switch back 5-0 is known as a "verdict"
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mevs on March 12, 2010, 03:04:41 PM
rick flips/howard flips- can anybody recall seeing them done before rick did one down stairs in questionable?

I think he did one in Splendid Eye Torture... they used the clip in a Howard DC 411 ad?

Found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3gX9y62s2E
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 03:11:58 PM
must have been in another video or another part of the video 'cause that's not in here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNrwhVmhcLo

but anyhow, at least good to see it was earlier than questionable.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: lem on March 12, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
I always called a spin off a Lotti because to my knowledge, he was the first guy to do it. Did he actually invent the trick?
Lottispin! Yeah, I remember that one now. I've always been under the impression Lotti invented it.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr. DNA on March 12, 2010, 03:17:04 PM
I believe a nosepick is only a nosepick if you grab out. Otherwise, it's a nose pivot. That's just a personal belief.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bumpnrun on March 12, 2010, 03:18:22 PM
rick flips/howard flips- can anybody recall seeing them done before rick did one down stairs in questionable?

I think he did one in Splendid Eye Torture... they used the clip in a Howard DC 411 ad?

Found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3gX9y62s2E

Nope.  Not splendid eye torture.  Adventures in Cheese.



i always assumed because of the sound affects in mike hayes part in time code....

here's another interesting fact: nollie lasers (nollie 360 varial heels) were invented before regular lasers (see armando barajas crsuhing them in the early '90s). can you think of any other tricks where the nollie version came before the regular version?

Not nollie but... fakie big spins were being done way before big spins were.  And to be honest, fakie big spins didn't really have a proper name before.  People around here called them my-dicks, my-cunts etc.  Some Rick Howard lingo iirc.

i remember seeing bigspins and fakie bigspins around the same time, like early h-street days. what were fakie bigspins seen in before that era?

rick flips/howard flips- can anybody recall seeing them done before rick did one down stairs in questionable? seems gnarly that that trick's first appearance would be down a decent amount of stairs. markovich was throwing them down stairs around the same time, like down the 7 at embarcadero in the color video, but not sure if i saw any on flat or anything much before that. did rick do them in anyt blockhead footage?

fakie big spins were around years before big spins.  Even the flip ones.  People were doing them way back.

The first big spin was when?  I can't even remember but I totally remember doing the fakie ones way before the standard one.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mevs on March 12, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
Haha damn, I suddenly thought it might have been Adventures in Cheese and got beaten to the correction. I love the internet
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on March 12, 2010, 03:23:03 PM
*i don't know if the ride-off tail cracks have an official name but they sure are cool. can't get a good one! anybody got the technique?
By the tapping of the board I mean in the middle, like when you ride off a large drop you smack the middle of the board real quick. But I did see a guy riding by on like, folsom and he did that tail smack thing. Like he rode off and somehow lifted up and his tail hit the curb in a very appealing manner.

Are you guys talking about firecrackers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtI7MuVsass
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mock nugget on March 12, 2010, 03:30:26 PM
A long time ago I tried to learn pressure flips and accidentally learned this trick that I've only seen in this pj part, at 1:18:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlvwfVCNCB0
Pressure varial flip? Toe flip? Barrel roll?

Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 12, 2010, 04:08:28 PM
Rick flip vs nollie big heel is easy-Rick flips are f/s fakie big heels.

Everyone around here used to call fakie f/s big heels Howard flips but never Rick flips. Same but different.
My favorite variation of that is calling it a "howard heel"

I always called those feeble 270 things a "feeble rewind." I've also heard alley-oop hurricane, but I don't really like that name.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bbk on March 12, 2010, 04:24:29 PM
regarding dudes fakie noseslide "270" shove, either it's a shove or a big, since it's rotating the same direction as the body, I'd call it a bigspin for sure
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 12, 2010, 04:31:12 PM
I believe a nosepick is only a nosepick if you grab out. Otherwise, it's a nose pivot. That's just a personal belief.

no way, no handed nosepicks totally count and are sick! i saw julien do them on a waist high ledge at a demo in my town in like '89 and have loved them ever since. you're still picking your nose. i'd actually say it's the superior version.

i'd say bigspins showed up in '88, maybe '87. i really don't remember seeing fakie ones before '88, gimme some visual proof! flip ones i don't remember seeing until '89 or so. unless you count rodney mullen. he probably had done all this stuff by '87, but freestyle was seen as another world back then, before it merged with street.

firecrackers- yeah, i have heard them called that but i think of the firecracker as when you do it down a set of multiple stairs, not just off the curb. guess it's pretty much the same thing though. the other one discussed here, the middle of the board thing, seems very weird to me.

don't remember a name for that weird trick pj does, that's some better-left-forgotten shit from 1992. it's like f/s pressure flip that flips the wrong way. pressure varial i guess. yuck.

feeble rewind works for that trick sort of. real "rewind grinds" are fakie 5-0 to fakie on a ramp, as they look like a regular 5-0 but played in rewind. that's an old term though.

on the noseslide shove stuff, a noseslide shove-it would be where the board goes to fakie but your body goes back to forwards. you could say a noseslide to what he's talking about is a bigspin out, but that tricks been called noseslide 270 shove since it was invented. i won't argue that bigspin is "incorrect" but i've never actually heard it called that.

how about 1/2 flips? there are the half flip caspers that ed templeton used to rock, and the 1/2 flip back to regular (w/o the casper) like thiebaud does in speed freaks (we called those "tuna flips" at the time, don't know why, 1/2 flip is probably fine), the 1/2 flip casper version where you turn with it b/s 180 like chris hall does in 1281 i believe... all that crap. then we get into back foot flips, nollie front foot flips, shove-it late kickflips, all the weird 1992 stuff... endless.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: j....soy..... on March 12, 2010, 06:47:00 PM
yeah...pretty sure there was a trick tip in thrasher on how to a nosepick and it was no handed, bryce kanights maybe?....there's an animal chin quote too isn't there, 'never do a nosepick with a coper.....buh...' 


Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: chillout on March 12, 2010, 06:50:44 PM
that new thing mike mo is doing variations of and down stairs. the like late pressure flip. like the one he did down some set in the skateboard mag's interview for the chocolate video
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 12, 2010, 06:58:49 PM
Late varialflip
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: VictoriousOG on March 12, 2010, 07:20:30 PM
*i don't know if the ride-off tail cracks have an official name but they sure are cool. can't get a good one! anybody got the technique?
Yeah, I definitely need help with these.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: chillout on March 12, 2010, 07:32:26 PM

*i don't know if the ride-off tail cracks have an official name but they sure are cool. can't get a good one! anybody got the technique?
By the tapping of the board I mean in the middle, like when you ride off a large drop you smack the middle of the board real quick. But I did see a guy riding by on like, folsom and he did that tail smack thing. Like he rode off and somehow lifted up and his tail hit the curb in a very appealing manner.

if im thinking of the right trick, and its not a firecracker, then around chicago we call them suicide ollies
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: happy face on March 12, 2010, 08:12:03 PM
we called fakie bigspins off the nose hellapods when i was a kid.  and when i learned pressure flips i thought it was called a 1281. i guess that was cause of the video.  one foots were sometimes called ollie norths but it kinda depended witch side of town you lived on.  i lived on both. 
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 12, 2010, 08:55:09 PM
I always called a spin off a Lotti because to my knowledge, he was the first guy to do it. Did he actually invent the trick?
Lottispin! Yeah, I remember that one now. I've always been under the impression Lotti invented it.

I never heard spin-off, but always called them either Lotti spins or spin-outs. I'm pretty sure bigspins were invented by Ocean Howell though. I love talking about this shit.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: cheep on March 12, 2010, 08:59:48 PM
this is my favorite thread on slap.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 12, 2010, 09:01:50 PM
this is my favorite thread on slap.
Definitely my favorite thread at the moment, although it should probably be in the trivia section and merged with the 720 thread
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Tuna on March 12, 2010, 09:48:20 PM
. ACTUALLY WAIT-- i have a weird line to rodney mullen i can try out. i'll see if i can get an answer out of him...



speaking of which....perhaps there could be a new article regarding trick terminology, have rodney explain a few of the weird ones and try to get some young bucks to land em, also, maybe get some of the vert dogs to run some of the stranger tranny tricks, do an explanation(but not quite a trick tip) and have some young dudes do the same but on a ramp.

i think it'd be interesting.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bumpnrun on March 12, 2010, 10:38:30 PM
If memory serves me right, Ocean Howell definitely didn't invent bigspins.  He had like 2 tricks in Hokus Pokus at the end. 

This might be the earliest big spin I can remember (35 sec).  He also does fakie big flip.

Brian Lotti, Hokus Pokus, 1989.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-y7OWZDhT8

Brian Lotti, Gullwing Full power Trip, 1990.  fakie bigger flip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCAfGFXXKLI

The reason I know fakie big spins was first is because it's a stock trick in Hokus Pokus, where as a standard big spin is done by only Lotti.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: j....soy..... on March 12, 2010, 11:04:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYKWli-pOU0

2:57?  fakie big?  i kept watching it going...'come on ray...how many step hops do you have to do until you do the fakie big...'

pretty sure i learned it on a mark partain....the blockhead one...not the renegade one....
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bbk on March 12, 2010, 11:34:29 PM
I believe a nosepick is only a nosepick if you grab out. Otherwise, it's a nose pivot. That's just a personal belief.
on the noseslide shove stuff, a noseslide shove-it would be where the board goes to fakie but your body goes back to forwards. you could say a noseslide to what he's talking about is a bigspin out, but that tricks been called noseslide 270 shove since it was invented. i won't argue that bigspin is "incorrect" but i've never actually heard it called that.
a 270 shove would be the same way as the normal shove you mentioned, away from you...

if you throw a heelflip in the trick he talked about there's no way you'd call it a laserflip,
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 13, 2010, 02:15:56 AM
Heelflip body varial=disco flip.

What about forward flips? Or do you call them dolphin flips? Or the youtube comment favorite-murder/nightmare flip?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: grizz on March 13, 2010, 06:37:26 AM
how about 1/2 flips? there are the half flip caspers that ed templeton used to rock, and the 1/2 flip back to regular (w/o the casper) like thiebaud does in speed freaks (we called those "tuna flips" at the time, don't know why, 1/2 flip is probably fine), the 1/2 flip casper version where you turn with it b/s 180 like chris hall does in 1281 i believe... all that crap. then we get into back foot flips, nollie front foot flips, shove-it late kickflips, all the weird 1992 stuff... endless.

for the half flip stuff, don't forget june cate in stun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXOeFjNTOgE#t=0m50s
360 half flip!?? (around 0:50)

he does a lot of curb doggin' in that part too, you might want to dissect some of those tricks.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: j....soy..... on March 13, 2010, 07:14:04 AM
Yoshi Flip!  someone....break it down....
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 13, 2010, 08:00:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbEA-39rNFs

3:52

Half flip?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: cheep on March 13, 2010, 08:46:36 AM
this doesnt really relate... but one of the only late flip tricks ive ever seen done that looks as good as a regular flip trick is this one that a friend of mine did.... bigspin late flip or pop shove late hardflip??? pop shove late flip??  i dont really know what youd call it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HTovl2kIhY
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: j....soy..... on March 13, 2010, 12:00:20 PM
go start a shirtless friend thread.....
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 13, 2010, 12:05:18 PM
Heelflip body varial=disco flip.

What about forward flips? Or do you call them dolphin flips? Or the youtube comment favorite-murder/nightmare flip?
don't forget circus flip
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: HoneyBear on March 13, 2010, 06:29:05 PM
what about this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1hc8U57Rsc

at 0:53
i've heard people call in a noseblunt but it's pretty much a noseslide on the other side of the hubba.Can anyone clear things up?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 13, 2010, 06:29:36 PM
Today I heard a fruit booter refer to some dance manuever on a ledge of the tight pant wearing one as cess slide.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 13, 2010, 06:37:20 PM
what about this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1hc8U57Rsc

at 0:53
i've heard people call in a noseblunt but it's pretty much a noseslide on the other side of the hubba.Can anyone clear things up?
ollie over to noseblunt I would say. That's usually what you hear for that type of trick. Like darrell's shit down clipper is an ollie over to front blunt. I've also hear people call them "aultz slides" even though I don't think the dude invented them.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ice Cream For Crow on March 13, 2010, 07:50:04 PM
Yeah I always call those over blunts.

Does anybody else cringe when they hear dolphin flip? I always just called them foward flips.

What about the Flamingo? I never heard it called that until a few years ago. I could have sworn they were originally pretzel plants. I like pretzel plant more.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Mr_Friendly on March 14, 2010, 06:47:59 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP3FbHmfzm8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP3FbHmfzm8)

1:03

My friend and I sort of accidentally stumbled onto these on a flatbar, we called them "will smiths" because we figured it was basically an ollie over to willy, my other friend told me its called a "bag lady". I honestly have no idea, anybody know?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: layzieyez on March 14, 2010, 08:25:52 AM
I remember hearing nollie back heel referred to as Koston flip.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mock nugget on March 14, 2010, 09:31:12 AM
Yeah I always call those over blunts.

Does anybody else cringe when they hear dolphin flip? I always just called them foward flips.

What about the Flamingo? I never heard it called that until a few years ago. I could have sworn they were originally pretzel plants. I like pretzel plant more.

I've never heard pretzel plant before, but I have heard calf wrap. And I'm pretty sure flamingo is the same as calling a rail-stand a primo, not the original name for it but widely used and accepted regardless.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: H8R part 4 on March 14, 2010, 09:38:13 AM
there is only a handful of specific tricks names that actually sound cool (i.e. stalefish, blunt).  most tricks that have been given their own name after the early 90's is pretty bad and the trick names used in THPS titles are beyond retarded.


ollie over nose/blunt = ollie over nose/tailslide

you rarely see someone do a legit blunt trick down a handrail, they usually come out looking like nose/tailslides.  i can do what people would consider a halfcab bluntslide on the flatbar but in my mind, i know its really a ollie over halfcab tailslide.   IMO, a bluntslide has to be pointing upwards and the tip of your tail/nose has to be hanging off the edge.   that said, my standards tend to be kind of high. 
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 14, 2010, 11:02:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP3FbHmfzm8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP3FbHmfzm8)

1:03

My friend and I sort of accidentally stumbled onto these on a flatbar, we called them "will smiths" because we figured it was basically an ollie over to willy, my other friend told me its called a "bag lady". I honestly have no idea, anybody know?

It's a bag lady. Or over-willy, but that sounds so dumb.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mock nugget on March 14, 2010, 11:12:08 AM
Haha I think that a Will Smith would be a good name for that ugly fakie barley grind someone was talking about earlier.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 14, 2010, 11:28:18 AM
Haha I think that a Will Smith would be a good name for that ugly fakie barley grind someone was talking about earlier.

hahah wat!? like a fs halfcab to lazy grind? that's what I imagine that being. or by Whitely's logic about fakie hurricaines, that would be a fakie ollie to switch front smith?


Does anybody else cringe when they hear dolphin flip? I always just called them foward flips.


Yeah man. In my mind, that trick was Dan Heasslers' for so long that I just call it forward flip because he does. I guess him and Matt Beach both started doing them around the same time, and Beach calls them Dolphin flips. Any truth behind this?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 14, 2010, 12:13:32 PM
They did them first? I just assumed Darrell was the inventor...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 14, 2010, 01:58:32 PM
sarcasm? even if so, I doubt those dudes did the trick first, but they're the first quasi well-known dudes I know of who did that trick forever ago
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 14, 2010, 02:01:58 PM
No sarcasm, I've really no idea on the origins, just saying when/where I saw it first...
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: kevbo999 on March 14, 2010, 02:24:23 PM
Any willy variation should just be called ugly piece of shit grind.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mock nugget on March 14, 2010, 02:31:01 PM
^^^Ok in most cases I'd agree, but once I saw Ed Driscol do a backside willy and then pop nollie out of it on a ledge to bank, and it was pretty amazing looking.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 14, 2010, 03:41:03 PM
No sarcasm, I've really no idea on the origins, just saying when/where I saw it first...
I don't know what exactly qualifies as a forward flip since most of them just look like shitty varial flips, but if the ones that Jimmy Carlin do are indeed forward flips, I know somebody did one out of a 50-50 in one of the H-Street videos.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: brazillionaire on March 14, 2010, 03:49:25 PM
yeah.. them wierd trick names will always be there from one town to another

but if yall ever come here to brazil you might have some trouble.. its not that we dont know how to name the tricks, everyone knows how theyre called in the states, but we have some major differences

In Brazil it goes like this:
- kickflip = (just) flip
- 360 flip = kickflip (or for short, just) kick...... so, dont say you kickflipped that 10, cause you just didnt!
- shove-it/pop shove-it = varial (for both)
- fs shove-it/pop = (just) shove-it
- boardslide = rockslide
- lipslide = boardslide........... yeah my friend, dont say you can bs board that rail, cuz ya jus CANT!
- 5-0 = (just) grind

i guess it started with some misunderstandings waaaay back in the good ol' days
now its just like, nothing will change
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Alan on March 14, 2010, 03:54:11 PM
Well that's a whole new thread right there! Local trick names. You should start it.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 14, 2010, 04:07:02 PM
yeah.. them wierd trick names will always be there from one town to another

but if yall ever come here to brazil you might have some trouble.. its not that we dont know how to name the tricks, everyone knows how theyre called in the states, but we have some major differences

In Brazil it goes like this:
- kickflip = (just) flip
- 360 flip = kickflip (or for short, just) kick...... so, dont say you kickflipped that 10, cause you just didnt!
- shove-it/pop shove-it = varial (for both)
- fs shove-it/pop = (just) shove-it
- boardslide = rockslide
- lipslide = boardslide........... yeah my friend, dont say you can bs board that rail, cuz ya jus CANT!
- 5-0 = (just) grind

i guess it started with some misunderstandings waaaay back in the good ol' days
now its just like, nothing will change
If a boardslide= a lipslide, wouldn't a b/s board just be the same as a b/s lip?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: brazillionaire on March 14, 2010, 04:39:01 PM
If a boardslide= a lipslide, wouldn't a b/s board just be the same as a b/s lip?

yeah.. you got it right!
so, i was sayin that you have to remember that here a bs board is actually a bs lip... if you forget it and say you bs boardslided some monster kinked rail, kids will be thinkin you shreded the shit out of it
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mock nugget on March 14, 2010, 05:18:51 PM
yeah.. them wierd trick names will always be there from one town to another

but if yall ever come here to brazil you might have some trouble.. its not that we dont know how to name the tricks, everyone knows how theyre called in the states, but we have some major differences

In Brazil it goes like this:
- kickflip = (just) flip
- 360 flip = kickflip (or for short, just) kick...... so, dont say you kickflipped that 10, cause you just didnt!
- shove-it/pop shove-it = varial (for both)
- fs shove-it/pop = (just) shove-it
- boardslide = rockslide
- lipslide = boardslide........... yeah my friend, dont say you can bs board that rail, cuz ya jus CANT!
- 5-0 = (just) grind

i guess it started with some misunderstandings waaaay back in the good ol' days
now its just like, nothing will change
haha really? I have had some good skate friends from Brazil over the years but I never heard anything about this. What part of Brazil may I ask?

It reminds me of one time when I was in high school me and my friend tried to rename all the basic tricks with the most simple/silly vocabulary. Like kickflips were magic, shuvits were semi circles and 360 shuvs were circles, so a treflip was a magic circle.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: brazillionaire on March 14, 2010, 05:39:18 PM
hahah soo nice yo
magic circles... indeed!

i'm from são paulo... TX's hometown
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 14, 2010, 05:47:20 PM
yeah.. them wierd trick names will always be there from one town to another

but if yall ever come here to brazil you might have some trouble.. its not that we dont know how to name the tricks, everyone knows how theyre called in the states, but we have some major differences

In Brazil it goes like this:
- kickflip = (just) flip
- 360 flip = kickflip (or for short, just) kick...... so, dont say you kickflipped that 10, cause you just didnt!
- shove-it/pop shove-it = varial (for both)
- fs shove-it/pop = (just) shove-it
- boardslide = rockslide
- lipslide = boardslide........... yeah my friend, dont say you can bs board that rail, cuz ya jus CANT!
- 5-0 = (just) grind

i guess it started with some misunderstandings waaaay back in the good ol' days
now its just like, nothing will change
haha really? I have had some good skate friends from Brazil over the years but I never heard anything about this. What part of Brazil may I ask?

It reminds me of one time when I was in high school me and my friend tried to rename all the basic tricks with the most simple/silly vocabulary. Like kickflips were magic, shuvits were semi circles and 360 shuvs were circles, so a treflip was a magic circle.
I say we go with this dude's names.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: The Ghost of Lenny Kirk on March 17, 2010, 11:47:29 PM
ok, what do you call this:

<img src="http://skateboarding.transworld.net/files/2010/02/louie_noseslide_side_grind.gif">
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 18, 2010, 12:03:31 AM
ok, what do you call this:

<img src="http://skateboarding.transworld.net/files/2010/02/louie_noseslide_side_grind.gif">
I'd call it nifty. I don't know, maybe a wheelbite slide?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 18, 2010, 02:19:11 AM
Isn't it labeled as a noselide to "slot slide" to fakie or something like that?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 18, 2010, 05:28:29 AM
"the jon west"
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: MexicanSpaniard on March 18, 2010, 08:42:25 AM
Noseslide to Westslide to fakie
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 18, 2010, 07:55:46 PM
westslide sounds good. Did Jon West do it frontside or backside? Which ever is the opposite way should be called the eastslide.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mock nugget on March 18, 2010, 08:28:56 PM
pretty sure he did it frontside, in art bars, and yeah I always figured it should be called a westslide.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: alrightythen on March 21, 2010, 04:23:00 AM
so that'd make louies a bs noseslide to eastslide?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 21, 2010, 10:16:11 AM
i like these names we conjured
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 21, 2010, 11:07:30 AM
so that'd make louies a bs noseslide to eastslide?
Yep. Whiteley, write this down and send a memo to thrasher, let's make this official.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: VictoriousOG on March 21, 2010, 12:27:45 PM
Recently I heard that a pop shuv rewind was a nacho spin or something. Anyone else hear of this? And how about tre flip rewinds?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 22, 2010, 03:09:13 PM
ok, i'm back. things went crazy last week.

*bigspins: here's the official word from Dr. H himself:
"i did invent the bigspin, but so did brian lotti.  and lotti was better known and people saw him do it first.  i think the first documentation is him in a gullwing video. i think the spin off goes to lotti or gavin, actually.  whoever did it first, gavin was the footage i remember, down 2 or 3 stairs in some arizona spot.i have never heard of a meatspin, but it's sounding like some gay porn jargon, and is upsetting me a little bit."

so, bumpnrun, you already got that gullwing footage- thank you. and we will go with you on the fakie bigspin being first, thanks for sticking to your guns on that.

*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYKWli-pOU0

2:57?  fakie big?  i kept watching it going...'come on ray...how many step hops do you have to do until you do the fakie big...'

pretty sure i learned it on a mark partain....the blockhead one...not the renegade one....

no, that's the MJ trick we were talking about earlier-- the off-the-nose board goes 540/person goes 360! and it seems i must eat some craw on this one-- rodney mullen has confirmed that this is indeed a gazelle. so there's the definition. how about a name for the off the nose 360 pivot, what i had believed the gazelle was? 360 chinese ollie?

*on the laserflip out of a noseslide-- i might be reading the question wrong but you couldn't laserflip out of a noseslide as you have to hit your tail to do a laser. you could nollie 270 heel, or nollie 270 varial heel. that's some armando barajas territory.

*disco flips-- good name. and i go with dolphin flips for these weird endo varial flips. i don't like to see them for any reason though.

*the 360 ollie half flip is crazy! don't remember seeing anybody do that. by the way, was in june "kate" or june "kah-tay"? never knew.

*that simon half-flip thing-- anything with your feet gripping the sides and no tail hit used to be called a "gorilla grip", so i guess that would be a half gorilla flip? only simon.

*shirtless homeboy-- i don't see anything late, just looks like a switch bigspin heel to me...

*braydon/other side of the ledge stuff-- i'd agree with ollie over to whatever the trick is, like ollie over to noseblunt slide for braydon there.

*sid melvin's trick-- that's the baglady, or the losi grind, possibly the novacaine. we got lost on that one. baglady and losi grind are both ok for sure, the novacaine we need some more research.

*flamingo/pretzel plant-- referring to the weird step-off no-comply leg wrap thing? i always knew those as "crowd pleasers" but i think that one has no official name.

*faster-- agreed on the bluntslide stuff. don't like droopy bluntslides either. un-level slide tricks used to be called "sandbags", like "his bluntslide was all sandbaggy". and it does look more like a half-cab over to tailslide, though i think to be an "over" trick the ledge has to be wider than your wheelbase.

Any willy variation should just be called ugly piece of shit grind.

there can be some interesting ideas with them, but i think they look like hell, too.

*brazil- a rockslide is legit since they are sliding rock n rolls. i love the "magic circle", that's brilliant. as for the rest- whoa!

*louie's trick- i'd say noseslide to wheel-well slide but i'm down with the eastslide/westslide thing, especially if you're throwing signs while you do it.

*pop shove/nacho deal- never heard it. and the 360 flip one-- 360 flip to f/s nose pivot? don't have a name for that one. b/s would be 360 flip to nosedrive, but nosedrives are only backside i believe. how about bigspins or big flips where your body turns the opposite way of the board, like 360 flip but body goes f/s 180? i remember seeing rudy johnson do those a long time ago...



Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 22, 2010, 03:34:22 PM
ha. nosedrive is a real term. an older friend of mine used to use that term a lot, but I never knew it was something people said.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 22, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
^ yep! even had a trick tip done by andy howell in thrasher. the instructions consisted mainly of how to get to zona rosa burritos in SF.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: The Ghost of Lenny Kirk on March 22, 2010, 06:29:24 PM

*bigspins: here's the official word from Dr. H himself:
"i did invent the bigspin, but so did brian lotti.  and lotti was better known and people saw him do it first.  i think the first documentation is him in a gullwing video. i think the spin off goes to lotti or gavin, actually.  whoever did it first, gavin was the footage i remember, down 2 or 3 stairs in some arizona spot.i have never heard of a meatspin, but it's sounding like some gay porn jargon, and is upsetting me a little bit."



well now a meatspin has to happen
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 22, 2010, 09:02:24 PM
Whiteley, I'm fairly certain novocaine's the name of the Gonz/Chris Cole trick
5:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSYkOoZSELo

but would that make the Koston trick a nollie novocaine, or is it a trick of it's own title?  ???
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: j....soy..... on March 22, 2010, 11:08:46 PM
no...i think he over turns it....so that's yet another trick...could be an overturned novicane...but i think it's just best left un-named.  Switch cab feebs? 

Danny Sargeant was a novicane guy...yeah?  On tranny they were losi lipslides....

remember when for a minute the feeble was a grapefruit grind?

i think the willy is dumb too but which has lead to me not really liking switch smiths....
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 22, 2010, 11:29:57 PM
With the over-willy one, the only person I can think of who has done a few is Alex Moul, and he always called them "bag lady grinds"
Anybody else heard this one?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 23, 2010, 05:19:20 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPWFo6UVNQ
3:54

a friend of the dude says he calls em' bag-ladies

I've also seen the dude do them backside, and backside to fakie
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: layzieyez on March 23, 2010, 06:08:29 AM
There is a Jason Carney trick tips in a Transworld for a bag lady.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 23, 2010, 09:48:14 AM
Whiteley, I'm fairly certain novocaine's the name of the Gonz/Chris Cole trick
5:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSYkOoZSELo

but would that make the Koston trick a nollie novocaine, or is it a trick of it's own title?  ???

yeah, i'm pretty sure that's what it is as well. we'll go with that for now and i'll try to get further conformation from a vert guy, but yeah, i think so too. as for the nollie one, i think nollie novacaine would be right but most would say it as nollie 180 to switch feeble.

so losi grinds, bagladys and the "over willy" (which i think we can lose since the other names pre-date it by a good bit) are the same, novacaine is 180 to switch feeble. and yeah, i do remember the grapefruit grind term...

gipper, we've been throwing around "baglady" on that trick for pages now, where you been? ha.

and i think a b/s baglady popped out to fakie on a ledge, like a real nollie b/s 180 out,  would be sick. a lot of the other variations, not as much. the way he was on that at 3:54 was way more like an ollie over to willy- i think of baglady or losi grind as staying inside of it, like a lipslide.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bumpnrun on March 23, 2010, 10:04:15 AM
ok, i'm back. things went crazy last week.

*bigspins: here's the official word from Dr. H himself:
"i did invent the bigspin, but so did brian lotti.  and lotti was better known and people saw him do it first.  i think the first documentation is him in a gullwing video. i think the spin off goes to lotti or gavin, actually.  whoever did it first, gavin was the footage i remember, down 2 or 3 stairs in some arizona spot.i have never heard of a meatspin, but it's sounding like some gay porn jargon, and is upsetting me a little bit."

so, bumpnrun, you already got that gullwing footage- thank you. and we will go with you on the fakie bigspin being first, thanks for sticking to your guns on that.

 ;D ;D


*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYKWli-pOU0

2:57?  fakie big?  i kept watching it going...'come on ray...how many step hops do you have to do until you do the fakie big...'

pretty sure i learned it on a mark partain....the blockhead one...not the renegade one....

no, that's the MJ trick we were talking about earlier-- the off-the-nose board goes 540/person goes 360! and it seems i must eat some craw on this one-- rodney mullen has confirmed that this is indeed a gazelle. so there's the definition. how about a name for the off the nose 360 pivot, what i had believed the gazelle was? 360 chinese ollie?

I remember that trick now... off the nose board goes 360, body goes 180, pivot the last 180 so it's 360 body and 540 board at the end.  I suppose the motions of it is a nollie big spin revert.

re: off the nose 360 pivot ... heli-pop?  Or some other helicopter-like name?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 23, 2010, 10:10:47 AM
^
1) no, because the bigger spin variants are board goes 540, body still just 180. so the gazelle is like a nollie bigspin pivot. that actually makes it way easier to think about, pivoting a nollie bigspin. thinking about it just as a straight board 540/person 360 makes me dizzy!
2) helipop is right, but i always thought of a helipop as hitting your nose. i guess the non-hitting version would still be the same thing, just a weaker version. helipivot? haha.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bumpnrun on March 23, 2010, 12:05:01 PM
I get revert and pivot mixed up lol
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: bumpnrun on March 25, 2010, 09:27:40 AM
paging whiteley

Last trick in this Walker Ryan clip (http://www.theberrics.com/dailyopspost.php?postid=1800) from this thread (http://www.slapmagazine.com/Forum/index.php?topic=43032.60)

switch bs flip nose grind?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 26, 2010, 03:27:38 AM
paging whiteley

Last trick in this Walker Ryan clip (http://www.theberrics.com/dailyopspost.php?postid=1800) from this thread (http://www.slapmagazine.com/Forum/index.php?topic=43032.60)

switch bs flip nose grind?
that's what I'd call that, but it'd probably be accompanied with a clerification as a sw bs flip to back 5-0

how about the trick at 3:48?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHGG7Vr1n-8
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 26, 2010, 08:29:01 AM
how about the trick at 3:48?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHGG7Vr1n-8

I always called them alley-oop sugarcanes since they end up grinding the same but you spin the other way to get into them... but I'm sure that's the wrong usage of "alley-oop" ...  Wray grind? They probably have some tranny name involving -cain. Michael Caine?


Also, this one's been mentioned in threads before. 2:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dHYTD8l5JY

Switch back 180 5-0 front shuv, followed by switch back 180 5-0 backside shuv... yeah?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: oyolar on March 26, 2010, 02:10:54 PM
Switch the order of those two and you're right.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on March 26, 2010, 03:15:17 PM
That's why I brought it up, because Whitely said you can't switch the stance in the middle of the trick. So according to him, the first one would be a switch front shuv going backwards and not a nollie bs shuv because you're technically still switch and not nollie. Unless the "don't switch the stance in the middle of a trick" thing does not apply in this case, which would be altogether even more confusing and fun.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 26, 2010, 04:26:43 PM
That's why I brought it up, because Whitely said you can't switch the stance in the middle of the trick. So according to him, the first one would be a switch front shuv going backwards and not a nollie bs shuv because you're technically still switch and not nollie. Unless the "don't switch the stance in the middle of a trick" thing does not apply in this case, which would be altogether even more confusing and fun.
I'd say switch backside 180 5-0 shove it, and hope people understood that there is really only 2 possible shove its out of that- f/s and b/s.

Still want to know what you call the "to fakie" part in a switch backside tailslide where you end up back in your natural stance
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 27, 2010, 09:32:01 PM
How about this one:
bs 360 no comply = chicken in a bucket
anybody heard that one? I hope its legit.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 27, 2010, 10:52:25 PM
How about this one:
bs 360 no comply = chicken in a bucket
anybody heard that one? I hope its legit.

man! I'mma start calling it that! never heard it before
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: j....soy..... on March 28, 2010, 07:54:52 AM
how about the trick at 3:48?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHGG7Vr1n-8

I always called them alley-oop sugarcanes since they end up grinding the same but you spin the other way to get into them... but I'm sure that's the wrong usage of "alley-oop" ...  Wray grind? They probably have some tranny name involving -cain. Michael Caine?


Also, this one's been mentioned in threads before. 2:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dHYTD8l5JY

Switch back 180 5-0 front shuv, followed by switch back 180 5-0 backside shuv... yeah?

jeremy wray's trick is a fakie smith grind....if he 180'd into it you could call it an alley oop....but 180 fakie smith is probably better....
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on March 28, 2010, 12:53:56 PM
He did 180 into it, like almost 270. like a cross between a smith and a hurricane.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 28, 2010, 01:55:11 PM
on tranny I've heard the backside version called "overturn grind"
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mock nugget on March 28, 2010, 02:03:32 PM
For some reason I thought that trick was called a candycane
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 28, 2010, 02:14:16 PM
^ I like that a lot more than over-turn. I'm big on the caine/cain titles. I would like to steal BriDen's title and call the full-cab to fs hurricaine the "Michael Caine". Like a cab front board, but over rotate into a hurricaine, yet another obscure miniramp trick I see every now and then.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: whiteley on March 29, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
phew, ok sorry for the absence again.

walker ryan-- my first instinct was to say switch b/s 180 flip to b/s 5-0 but i think switch b/s 180 flip nosegrind is what i'd write in a caption. mainly i think that's the one to go with because if i saw that trick w/o the flip i'd say switch b/s 180 nosegrind for sure.

j wary-- wowwwww. i *almost* for got how good he is in that part. always liked his fakie hardflips, not many people did those well. him, gino, clyde, who else? i still run that trick here and there. anyhow the trick in question: i'd say f/s 180 fakie smith, even though that's technically wrong. anything else describing that trick would just be too hard to explain. maybe f/s 180 to b/s sugarcane could work out though... we could start calling what we've referred to in the past as "fakie smiths" as " fakie smithercanes" so this would be a f/s 180 to smithercane. or not.

stevie-- if it was regular it'd be b/s 180 fakie 5-0 to fakie f/s shove it. so sw b/s 180 fakie 5-0 to f/s shove works but it's weird 'cause the shove would be a fakie shove- and you started the trick off switch, so you shouldn't be using fakie and switch terminology in the same trick. i guess if it's easier to say it could be switch b/s 180 fakie 5-0 to nollie b/s shove, but i don't think i'd say it like that. that's an awkward one. and what i said, or what i meant to say, about switching stance mid trick-- it's not that you can't switch between stances, it's that you can't/shouldn't switch between fakie and switch. like if you start a trick switch, stay switch the whole way- don't use fakie terminology, like people's "fakie ollie to switch f/s nose"-- no. fakie ollie to fakie back tail. so yeah, this one is super linguistically difficult.

candycane- damn it, that's vaguely familiar... to many canes! but i am down for the cab to f/s hurricane to be the michael caine, that's hot. a long time ago i tried to get MJ to try cab to fakie b/s nosegrind- i'm sure people have done that by now, anybody think of any footy?
gipper- i think i tried to hit this one before: i'd call it a switch b/s tail to fakie when you end up back in your regular stance.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: mock nugget on March 29, 2010, 12:41:26 PM
This thread is awesome in every way. I always thought the symmetry of skating was interesting, and how many different variations of tricks could come out of the basic shuv its, flips, grinds, etc. The terminology takes some memory when it comes to these weird tricks but it's amazing to think about all the history connected with trick names and origins.

Fakie hardflips...Kenny Reed comes to mind.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Tuna on March 29, 2010, 09:03:39 PM
so if a backside madonna is a sean penn, would a frontside judo be a tae kwon do?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on March 29, 2010, 09:13:13 PM
phew, ok sorry for the absence again.

walker ryan-- my first instinct was to say switch b/s 180 flip to b/s 5-0 but i think switch b/s 180 flip nosegrind is what i'd write in a caption. mainly i think that's the one to go with because if i saw that trick w/o the flip i'd say switch b/s 180 nosegrind for sure.

j wary-- wowwwww. i *almost* for got how good he is in that part. always liked his fakie hardflips, not many people did those well. him, gino, clyde, who else? i still run that trick here and there. anyhow the trick in question: i'd say f/s 180 fakie smith, even though that's technically wrong. anything else describing that trick would just be too hard to explain. maybe f/s 180 to b/s sugarcane could work out though... we could start calling what we've referred to in the past as "fakie smiths" as " fakie smithercanes" so this would be a f/s 180 to smithercane. or not.

stevie-- if it was regular it'd be b/s 180 fakie 5-0 to fakie f/s shove it. so sw b/s 180 fakie 5-0 to f/s shove works but it's weird 'cause the shove would be a fakie shove- and you started the trick off switch, so you shouldn't be using fakie and switch terminology in the same trick. i guess if it's easier to say it could be switch b/s 180 fakie 5-0 to nollie b/s shove, but i don't think i'd say it like that. that's an awkward one. and what i said, or what i meant to say, about switching stance mid trick-- it's not that you can't switch between stances, it's that you can't/shouldn't switch between fakie and switch. like if you start a trick switch, stay switch the whole way- don't use fakie terminology, like people's "fakie ollie to switch f/s nose"-- no. fakie ollie to fakie back tail. so yeah, this one is super linguistically difficult.

candycane- damn it, that's vaguely familiar... to many canes! but i am down for the cab to f/s hurricane to be the michael caine, that's hot. a long time ago i tried to get MJ to try cab to fakie b/s nosegrind- i'm sure people have done that by now, anybody think of any footy?
gipper- i think i tried to hit this one before: i'd call it a switch b/s tail to fakie when you end up back in your regular stance.

I think Matt Miller did a nollie cab to back 5-0 at 3rd & army in one of the Seasons videos, I feel like I've seen the regular version. Do you think this would be deserving of it's own weird name?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Gomez on May 03, 2010, 08:58:09 PM
1. That wasn't a biggerspin, his body spun one too many times.

2. He got out of that fakie, not switch, since he popped off his nose on the ledge part.]

So... switch bigspin front board, frontside fullcab bigspin out?

Move this one over to the "argue about trick names" thread.

1. isn't a bigger spin a 360 where the board does a 540? obviously out of a front board, you can't go the full 360 and 540, so it would be 270 and 450 respectively. that said, he clearly did a 270 because he ended up switch again, and the board did a 450 shove, so i'd say it is a biggerspin. (my apologies for making this super technical)

2. i considered that too, but i noticed typically on boardslide 270s, people pop off the nose just slightly, yet you wouldn't call it a boardslide nollie 270. i don't know, not really too sure on this one.

Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on May 03, 2010, 09:01:09 PM
1. That wasn't a biggerspin, his body spun one too many times.

2. He got out of that fakie, not switch, since he popped off his nose on the ledge part.]

So... switch bigspin front board, frontside fullcab bigspin out?

Move this one over to the "argue about trick names" thread.

1. isn't a bigger spin a 360 where the board does a 540? obviously out of a front board, you can't go the full 360 and 540, so it would be 270 and 450 respectively. that said, he clearly did a 270 because he ended up switch again, and the board did a 450 shove, so i'd say it is a biggerspin. (my apologies for making this super technical)

2. i considered that too, but i noticed typically on boardslide 270s, people pop off the nose just slightly, yet you wouldn't call it a boardslide nollie 270. i don't know, not really too sure on this one.


1. Biggerspin is a body 180, board 540. Whitely set that straight earlier in the thread.

2. I'd say fakie since he popped and shuv'd off the nose, if there was no shuv I would just call it a 270 but it was clearly a fakie front shuv motion out, not like a switch back bigspin
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: Gomez on May 03, 2010, 09:14:53 PM
ah, agreed. basically like a switch noseslide to fakie flip out. so what is a body 360 board 540? 360 biggerspin?
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: BriDen on May 03, 2010, 09:19:56 PM
I know the term "360 bigflip" was either used by or agreed upon by whitely to describe a board 540 flip, body 360, so I think it would be 360 bigspin. Personally though, I think it's a terrible-sounding name. I much prefer meatspin.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: EricLogan on May 03, 2010, 09:36:48 PM
I've heard the board540+body360 variants referred to as "biggest flips" or "biggest spins", though I sorta cringe every time the someone, or I myself has to say it.

Either way, saying "switch bigspin front board fs halfcab biggest spin" feels like having your face fucked with bad trick selection.
Title: Re: Let's Argue About Trick Names
Post by: j....soy..... on May 03, 2010, 10:41:58 PM
^ I like that a lot more than over-turn. I'm big on the caine/cain titles. I would like to steal BriDen's title and call the full-cab to fs hurricaine the "Michael Caine". Like a cab front board, but over rotate into a hurricaine, yet another obscure miniramp trick I see every now and then.

for like the last decade i've been trying to do a bigspin hurricane so i could call it the 'hurrah-icane'....tyler bledstoe finally did it...on vert they were definitely sugarcanes...chris miller did them...on street...they went nameless...i think the novicane was done though....i remember danny sargeant doing them....alan losi did them on vert...i think they called them losi lipslides...in at least one issue of poweredge....