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SO I HAD A FUCKING ARGUMENT AT THE LOCAL PARK TODAY WITH SOME ASSHOLE .. I SAID
KOSTON & REYNOLDS HAVE NEVER EVER PUT OUT A BAD VIDEO PART .
I THINK THIS IS TRUE. BUT HE SAID ITS IMPOSSIBLE SO I WANTED TO SEE WHAT MY SLAP PALS THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO NEVER PUT OUT A BAD VIDEO PART SO I CAN GO BACK TO THE LOCAL PARK NEXT WEEK AND VERBALLY ASSULT THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE WITH THIS LIST !!!
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Koston's gross, reynold's parts are all pretty good-amazing.
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Koston's gross, reynold's parts are all pretty good-amazing.
i just don't understand you. are you 100% serious with all the stuff you say?
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Matt Hensley
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Cardiel
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hensley and cardiel fuck ya. mike carroll, jerry hsu, guy, fuck it all pros parts are good
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Koston's gross, reynold's parts are all pretty good-amazing.
i just don't understand you. are you 100% serious with all the stuff you say?
I'm pretty sure Koston was mean to him once or something. Its the only sense I can make of this inconsistency in his tastes
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How is me not liking koston inconsistent? he has bad style. I like people with good style.
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The mongo-pushing isn't visually appealing but Koston has never failed to impress.
Julien Stranger
Andrew Allen
Tony Trujillo
Ray Barbee
The list can go on forever.
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How is me not liking koston inconsistent? he has bad style. I like people with good style.
Because his style is good, and every fucking trick I've ever seen footage of you doing was pretty much done first by him. You basically are a shitty Koston clone.
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Carroll
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Doug Brown
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How is me not liking koston inconsistent? he has bad style. I like people with good style.
hahahaha. that's a good one, but i can see how some people can find koston visually unappealing. i've definitely got some friends that don't appreciate his steez because sometimes he looks like a gorilla on a skateboard, but for the most part he comes pretty correct.
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rick mccrank
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
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barletta
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
have you seen his yeah right part!?!
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what is a bad part? I think all top-notch pros are doing well... that guy you argued with seems to be a super-douche
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How is me not liking koston inconsistent? he has bad style. I like people with good style.
No.
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I definitely understand why people don't like Koston's style, sometimes it is sort of gross, but usually it's perfect. it is sort of ridiculous to not admit that at times his tricks look gross. towards the beginning of yeah right he does a switch fs 180 to nose manual nollie back heelflip out...probably one of the ugliest things i have ever seen. nevertheless he is amazing.
PJ Ladd
Bastien
The Chief
Haslam...even his deca part was dope despite a somewhat questionable trick selection
Danny Garcia
Dollin
Justin Strubing
Reynolds for sure
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this thread is getting dumb, its just name a pro now, cause there pro for a reason people, there fucking goodof course its gonna be a good part they are pro.
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cheese, get out of here with that. of course there's bad video parts by pros.
lot's of good ones
natas
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brian anderson
rick mccrank
heath kirchart
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SO I HAD A FUCKING ARGUMENT AT THE LOCAL PARK TODAY WITH SOME ASSHOLE .. I SAID
KOSTON & REYNOLDS HAVE NEVER EVER PUT OUT A BAD VIDEO PART .
I THINK THIS IS TRUE. BUT HE SAID ITS IMPOSSIBLE SO I WANTED TO SEE WHAT MY SLAP PALS THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO NEVER PUT OUT A BAD VIDEO PART SO I CAN GO BACK TO THE LOCAL PARK NEXT WEEK AND VERBALLY ASSULT THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE WITH THIS LIST !!!
Guess I'll be the one to say it. I did not like Reynolds' part in this is skateboarding. Editing was too slow. That f/s had already been on the cover of thrasher, and in the video part prior his ender was f/s flipping a set that was one stair shorter.
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Bryan Herman
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
Its because he is one of the most progressive skaters of all time, did never been done tricks that have become super popular, shut down hubba at the height of its popularity as a spot, has had around a 20 year career where he has stayed ahead of the progression of just about everybody the entire time without falling off at all, even for a short period of time (something no other skater of his generation can even compare to), has won skater of the year from every major magazine on different years, has had arguably the best part in falling down, mouse, menikmati, and Yeah Right!, all of which were considered the biggest videos of the time they were released. I'm going to stop now even though. Let's just put it this way: if you don't know what the big deal around Koston is, you don't know a damn thing about skating at all.
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oh, Goldfish too.
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
thats a terrible argument though, i shouldn't have to know the context in which the part came out to enjoy it. i don't have to make special arguments to enjoy old parts from gino, heath, reynolds, gonz, kalis or carroll so why should I have to do that for koston?
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oh, Goldfish too.
and he told us to fuck our faces, personally
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gino, heath, reynolds, gonz, kalis, carroll
+ Guy, Jamie Thomas, Brian Anderson. There are some more names I could mention but I think regardless of the criteria, those names make the cut pretty easily.
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
thats a terrible argument though, i shouldn't have to know the context in which the part came out to enjoy it. i don't have to make special arguments to enjoy old parts from gino, heath, reynolds, gonz, kalis or carroll so why should I have to do that for koston?
What the fuck are you talking about? Watch these parts, and tell me you had to be there to enjoy them. All you have to do is understand good skateboarding and good style:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eacC7nGdLn8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPsyRP_vtik
If you argue that you don't see what is so great about these parts, you just make yourself look stupid.
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Also, I was going to post a Kirchart part from that time to challenge the idea that those dudes parts are so timeless, but you can't even find most of his parts from the early 90's online- I couldn't find any. Reynolds too.
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koston had that part in chomp
that doesnt count but i remember tons of shit in it that sucked
appleyard has tons of good parts
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^ That was 100% goof off footage, and was amazing for being goof off footage.
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This is one of those arguments that only happens on the internet.
Online it's like you have to either like idiosyncratic (and yes, occasionally sketchy) style like Koston's or picture perfect (ie: robot) style like Prod.
In real life, most skaters I know have the ability to appreciate BOTH.
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
thats a terrible argument though, i shouldn't have to know the context in which the part came out to enjoy it. i don't have to make special arguments to enjoy old parts from gino, heath, reynolds, gonz, kalis or carroll so why should I have to do that for koston?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eacC7nGdLn8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPsyRP_vtik
If you argue that you don't see what is so great about these parts, you just make yourself look stupid.
for goldfish, he has some good things here and there but for the most part that was like watching some random kids sponsor me tape, and then the same goes for all his 101 parts, his H-street part was alright though. theres nothing to argue about as far as mouse is concerned, its a good part through and through. i think that, hot chocolate and yeah right is his best stuff, all the shit outside of that era of koston is alright but not great.
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Busenitz, Ryan Smith, Marc Johnson, and Tom Penny. I don't remember them having any bad parts.
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Lance Mountain
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
thats a terrible argument though, i shouldn't have to know the context in which the part came out to enjoy it. i don't have to make special arguments to enjoy old parts from gino, heath, reynolds, gonz, kalis or carroll so why should I have to do that for koston?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eacC7nGdLn8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPsyRP_vtik
If you argue that you don't see what is so great about these parts, you just make yourself look stupid.
for goldfish, he has some good things here and there but for the most part that was like watching some random kids sponsor me tape, and then the same goes for all his 101 parts, his H-street part was alright though. theres nothing to argue about as far as mouse is concerned, its a good part through and through. i think that, hot chocolate and yeah right is his best stuff, all the shit outside of that era of koston is alright but not great.
Watch his part in goldfish, then watch some other bullshit like a new deal video, or a video part of any of those dudes you claim are timeless that came out at that time and you will be blown away. Koston was skating at the level of style required of people today when tic tacs and 2 inch mob flips were the standard.
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if you wanna bring up style, i believe a visual sound came out less than a year after goldfish. theres no denying that koston was/is amazing, i just think that a lot of guys get overlooked.
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Daewon
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if you wanna bring up style, i believe a visual sound came out less than a year after goldfish. theres no denying that koston was/is amazing, i just think that a lot of guys get overlooked.
You don't know shit about skating. Stop dropping names and video titles that you think mean something because somebody told you so. Like I said before, all of the things you have said in this thread have robbed you of any credibility in terms of talking about skating.
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
thats a terrible argument though, i shouldn't have to know the context in which the part came out to enjoy it. i don't have to make special arguments to enjoy old parts from gino, heath, reynolds, gonz, kalis or carroll so why should I have to do that for koston?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eacC7nGdLn8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPsyRP_vtik
If you argue that you don't see what is so great about these parts, you just make yourself look stupid.
for goldfish, he has some good things here and there but for the most part that was like watching some random kids sponsor me tape, and then the same goes for all his 101 parts, his H-street part was alright though. theres nothing to argue about as far as mouse is concerned, its a good part through and through. i think that, hot chocolate and yeah right is his best stuff, all the shit outside of that era of koston is alright but not great.
i knew you were going to say that so like I said before, timeless means the context of the part is unnecessary, it should stand on its own two legs, and that shit doesn't, there are flashes where hes skating awesome but then theres sludge lines where the tiny wheels rear their ugly heads. i think gonz's work speaks for itself, just watch ginos 101 parts, snuff said, carrolls part in goldfish doesnt have sludge lines in it, better spots and lines, easy, kalis was a little newer than koston but i think timecode speaks for itself, heavy metal does get a little slow but the spots are so much better, i just saw heaths ravers part and that shit is just as painful as kostons 101 stuff, even tentacles is kinda eh but it had josh beagle in it so thats kinda nerfed but if you go to rolling thunder, that part is definitely the emergence of the heath we all know and love, everything in that still looks good and from that point on its been 15+ years of destruction, i could probably say the same thing about reynolds but hes already skating pretty fast in that, the big tees little wheels and walrus boards weren't helping him at all.
another guy to add to this list is wade speyer,, he deserved more exposure, its too bad that think part was the last big part he ever produced he should've gone with drehobl over to DLX instead of black label
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koston had that part in chomp
that doesnt count but i remember tons of shit in it that sucked
appleyard has tons of good parts
100% disagree. Koston's Chomp part was one of his best, if not his very best.
All of his other parts get very low re-watches. Koston's parts are insane the first time you see them because of the progression. But so are Ronson Lambert's. It's the style that makes me want to not watch those parts again. Style is completely subjective, but let's just say that you don't see Koston in many "top 10 style" lists.
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you don't see Koston in many "top 10 style" lists.
He'd definitely be in mine.
Maybe it's a generational thing, but part of "good style" to me is style that is distinctly your own. Koston's got that - no one else skates like him.
I admire the hell out of kids who land everything super clean and perfect - you'll never hear me saying the "robot" thing in a negative way. But that on its own isn't enough to give you style. You also have to have some personality.
Personality goes a long way...
Creager's an example of a guy who's amazingly clean, yet also has immense style. Often it comes with getting older. A dude like Grant Taylor has awesome style to me, in part because he skates like he's a lot older than he is.
It's all just opinions, tho - nobody's right or wrong.
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Creager should be on this list.
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^ Creager is amazing, and I love all footage of him, but his Menikmati part was damn lazy and disappointed me when it came out.
Koston's style is amazing. He has a playful looking, energetic, almost bouncy style. On top of that he does everything as clean as can be done.
And Bandini- I don't know what to say, if you don't know how important those parts were to skating's progression, as well as how good they still are, I can't explain it to you. But none of the parts or dudes you talked about except Carroll or Gonz are even in the same league. Yes, that includes Gino and Reynolds.
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And Bandini- I don't know what to say, if you don't know how important those parts were to skating's progression
Huh? I think you meant that for someone else - I actually agree with you on this one.
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koston had that part in chomp
that doesnt count but i remember tons of shit in it that sucked
appleyard has tons of good parts
100% disagree. Koston's Chomp part was one of his best, if not his very best.
All of his other parts get very low re-watches. Koston's parts are insane the first time you see them because of the progression. But so are Ronson Lambert's. It's the style that makes me want to not watch those parts again. Style is completely subjective, but let's just say that you don't see Koston in many "top 10 style" lists.
i think every part in chomp has that going for it that you just want to rewatch it.
when i posted that it was a while since i last watched his part and in my head all i could think of was the sketchy back to back manny line which wasnt as bad as i remember and that one line with the boardslide where his feet fall off completely then he does the late flip and hes like crawling away but i watched it again and its not as fruity as his lakai part. it was a raw part that still is awesome.
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if you wanna bring up style, i believe a visual sound came out less than a year after goldfish. theres no denying that koston was/is amazing, i just think that a lot of guys get overlooked.
You don't know shit about skating. Stop dropping names and video titles that you think mean something because somebody told you so. Like I said before, all of the things you have said in this threadon this forum have robbed you of any credibility in terms of talking about skating.
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God.... I cant believe this argument exists! Koston is the best lol he was good in mouse and goldfish and his fully flared was just as good as the new guys like mike mo. And he has the raddest style.
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im not saying hes a horrendous skater, I actually love his stuff from the late 90s-early 00s, im just saying he has a couple bad parts which is the topic of this conversation, im sure his old stuff was progressive when it came out but it isnt anymore and some of it looks pretty weird and doesnt hold up, all that really old shit sucks even for some of the guys I listed so its not like im saying its only koston.
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So who is on the complete moron list so far from this thread?
The ghost of Lenny Kirk, who doesn't realize that most of his favorite skaters used to watch Koston's parts so they would know what to copy, and thinks their copying it makes Koston's parts less important.
Gnarles Manson, who is just a stupid uncreative clone, and can't back up what he was saying. The copy of goldfish I had was bought at a sketchy shop that dubbed the videos and sold them together on a tape. A visual sound and goldfish were on the same tape I bought at the time (when it came out, not after somebody told me a decade later that I should see it if I want to be cool). I wasn't disappointed with the skating or the style in goldfish at all. Guess if a skater from Goldfish or Visual Sound won skater of the year that year? It was Mike Carroll. Carroll and Koston both were easily on par style wise with the visual sound people. But you have just seen videos and read magazines that claim nobody had style until a visual sound came out. Guess what? That is a generalization about the era, not an absolute comparison. Were you there gnarles? No you weren't. Does this mean you have a worse perspective on it? Absolutely. Is it Koston's fault that every trick he does eventually gets bitten by every skater who wants to make a name for themselves? No. You don't know shit kid, its obvious when you post in this topic. Also, tell me what videos I have posted about that I haven't seen or don't know about. Shut up and stop making yourself look regular.
Briden, who compared Koston to Ronson Lambert and claimed he wasn't on anybody's top ten list. Smash your head into a brick wall until you feel liquid pouring out of it.
Also, apologies to Bandini, who gets it and should not be on the moron list.
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(http://www.stustake.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Calm-the-fuck-down-lemur.jpg)
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gipper, i dont even know what youre trying to say
are you saying my opinion is wrong?
(my opinion being that there are good skateboarders other than koston)
and personally i do feel that carroll was sicker back then(he is one of my favorite skateboarders of all time)
and im a stupid uncreative clone? cool!
edit: heres my previous statements that make me a moron and a stupid uncreative clone who can't back up what he's saying
i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
if you wanna bring up style, i believe a visual sound came out less than a year after goldfish. theres no denying that koston was/is amazing, i just think that a lot of guys get overlooked.
what im saying: i think theres other good skaters aside from koston and i think the guys in a visual sound had cool style.
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again, you're a complete idiot, im fully aware of how progressive his parts were, but its not 1993 anymore, its 2010, and those 101 parts look regular by todays standards, which coincidentally is what I'm using as the standard to answer the post. watching it now, its a bad part and it doesnt matter how relevant it was, it doesn't make the watching experience more enjoyable.
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Damn gipper, chill. You're getting way too defensive of koston and looking like an idiot in the process.
Briden, who compared Koston to Ronson Lambert and claimed he wasn't on anybody's top ten list. Smash your head into a brick wall until you feel liquid pouring out of it.
You misinterpreted the fuck out of my post. I mentioned Ronson against the argument about progression. They are both progressive and have that "nbd" factor going for them, but that doesn't make them have good style, which was the whole point of every post I made so far in this thread.
And I said top ten style list. I'm not that naive.
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cardiel, jerry, silas, and despite lack of a song in his 411 part: Manderson.
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jason adams
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Ghost of Lenny Kirk, what are your thoughts on this part?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHPMlIhWmAk
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ghost's arguments are full of holes. koston's goldfish part stands up to the test of time just a well, if not better, as any of the other skaters that you listed that have never had bad parts. well, actually that's just one hole, but its an ass-rapingly big gaper of a hole. as for gipper, am i misinterpreting your words or did i read that you don't consider reynolds to be in the same league as koston? if so, then i'd thank you to shove a thousand dicks up your ass. other than that, i wholly agree with you.
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Ghost of Lenny Kirk, what are your thoughts on this part?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYIB0jMui-I
shits good, it has so much going for it that kostons goldfish part doesn't, definitely better style, better lines, better music, way better spot selection, i love how he comes out of 180s, hes grinding pretty fast on that bs nosegrind at 3:58, if 1991 jason lee skated past me today and did that I would be stoked, that intros funny and theres a lot of personality in the part, its easy to see what people liked about this, yeah there are a couple lines where its a little slow like some of the red light parking garage lines and that crappy 180 fakie manual to pivot out is just sloppy but theres so much other stuff in the part that it doesn't take away from it.
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Rick Howard and Keenan Milton.
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Rick Howard and Keenan Milton.
these guys for sure.
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has adelmo jr. ever had a good part?
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has adelmo jr. ever had a good part?
has he not?
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Rodrigo TX
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yep TX keep releasing mind blowing two song parts for his harware sponsor.
koston is gifted,each of his videos since the 90's 101 days was crazy and crazier,always pushing the hardest enders from vids to vids,his mouse part is insane,one of my favorite all time,i like it better than guy's.chocolate tour,yeah right on and on.
he kept releasing good stuff and progressing while obviously having fun,he's the definition of a pro to me.like daewon,creager,carrol,rowley,gino,penny,kalis all leading the pack and establishing what was hot.
that's a fact nothing to argue here,hating on frost is dumb.you can dislike his acting constant buffoonery,way he moves his hands whatever stupid details or scientology berrics affiliation but he was a big part of foundation of modern street skatebaording.legend status.
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has adelmo jr. ever had a good part?
Even justin bieber is better than him.
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reynolds was the first to pop in my head
honorable mentions - guy, carroll, BA, hsu, daewon
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Trepasso, Mike Rusczyk , Fellers, Duffel
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Rick Howard and Keenan Milton.
marc johnson for sure, bitchtits post on the last page for sure, mike carroll, rick howard, keenan milton, ave, stefan janoski, d-gar, I SUCK, heath, flatbarletta, jerry hsu. i know theres more but i'll check back later and watch you guys argue about style till the end of infinity in a thread about video parts. some of you suck. others i wish i could have a beer and bullshit with.
edit:maybe i'll jump in the style argument later. yaay!
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SO I HAD A FUCKING ARGUMENT AT THE LOCAL PARK TODAY WITH SOME ASSHOLE .. I SAID
KOSTON & REYNOLDS HAVE NEVER EVER PUT OUT A BAD VIDEO PART .
I THINK THIS IS TRUE. BUT HE SAID ITS IMPOSSIBLE SO I WANTED TO SEE WHAT MY SLAP PALS THINK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO NEVER PUT OUT A BAD VIDEO PART SO I CAN GO BACK TO THE LOCAL PARK NEXT WEEK AND VERBALLY ASSULT THIS FUCKING ASSHOLE WITH THIS LIST !!!
you are correct, fuck those kids at the park they dont know shit. heath, dennis busenitz, nick trepasso, stevie w
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fuck yea stevie and boozy
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
Not to mention the fact that he's never had a serious injury simply because he's so fucking good. A professional skateboarder with a career as long as his and never had a serious injury? That's just unheard of.
Also, back on topic... Daewon? I thought that would be the obvious answer.
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Reynolds! Carroll too.
Koston isn't a god to everyone...
Gipper sounds like a jay-z super-fan who can't understand how a hip-hop purist hasn't been feeling him since reasonable doubt and prefers to listen to ghost. Jealous of true grit and blinded by commercial success.
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Kenny Reed
Eric Koston
Brian Anderson
Corey Duffel, even though I'm aware he gets a lot of hate
Geoff Rowley
Jim Greco
Heath Kirchart
Keenan Milton R.I.P.
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Kenny Reed
Gonna disagree based on the fact that I don't like that he skates so damn slow.
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Most of the 30 year olds still heavy the game today are the ones who put out nothing but quality.
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Gonna disagree based on the fact that I don't like that he skates so damn slow.
Honestly, he probably skates a lot faster than most people. In his 7 Year Glitch part he skates incredibly fast, but not so much today.
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matt reason, guy mariano, ryan hickey
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Fred Gall.
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jeremy wray. even if this is my element he only had one or two clips. the backside 180 to street was insane.
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who's put out a bad part that everyone can agree on? Jeremy Klien?
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i dont really care either way about koston . . but i never understood why people are soooo into him.
I know I'm coming late in to this thread but Koston's Fully Flared part was super good, one of the best I've seen in a long time.
Tricks, editing, and music are all spot on.
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I know I'm coming late in to this thread but Koston's Fully Flared part was super good, one of the best I've seen in a long time.
Tricks, editing, and music are all spot on.
Yeah, been said probably. I don't really enjoy watching Koston that much, but he has a really good mix of tricks in that video part. Just when you think it's too ledgy/techy he starts going big again and hitting rails. Have to respect Koston even if you don't like to watch necessarily. And I wonder how old he was when this was filmed?
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I know I'm coming late in to this thread but Koston's Fully Flared part was super good, one of the best I've seen in a long time.
Tricks, editing, and music are all spot on.
Yeah, been said probably. I don't really enjoy watching Koston that much, but he has a really good mix of tricks in that video part. Just when you think it's too ledgy/techy he starts going big again and hitting rails. Have to respect Koston even if you don't like to watch necessarily. And I wonder how old he was when this was filmed?
I feel ya, also are we talking pure skating cause I would say that Koston has had some crappy music. And as much as I love Rodney Mullen, his Questionable part and others I feel could of been better if the music had been better picked and not as much slow mo.
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MIKE MO
part 1 - forechince
Forecast - Mike Mo Capaldi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf3XDhHjZVk#)
part 2 -fullly chinced
mike mo capaldi's part in Fully Flared (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tx6JTy8t9k#)
thats all she wrote, cant say those didnt get you stoked as fuck
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P-rod
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P-rod
I loved his dad in Born in East LA
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Heath Kirchart is probably the only pro that has never had a bad part.
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MIKE MO
part 1 - forechince
Forecast - Mike Mo Capaldi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf3XDhHjZVk#)
part 2 -fullly chinced
mike mo capaldi's part in Fully Flared (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tx6JTy8t9k#)
thats all she wrote, cant say those didnt get you stoked as fuck
Why isnt his fully flared as good as his forecast? Forecast was huge gaps as well as the awesome ledge shit, but fully flared had none of those huge gaps. But even without the huge gaps, I still like his forecast part better.
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the tricks are more difficult in fully flared like fakie front crook 3 flip and he goes a bit faster even and just seems to have sicker spots and more unique stuff that is why its better.
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lucas puig, all his cliche shit, FF
ave
daewon
rattray