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Title: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on November 01, 2010, 03:55:56 PM
I've had the same pair of ace trucks for well over a year, maybe even 2 and i fuckin love them. they're minimal, after skating with these for so long, when i look at someone else's trucks they look wayyy to big to me. they got the most fantastic crooked grind groove ever too, BUT, the pivot cup is all fucked up, i tried taking them apart and replacing the pivot cup but they put something in there so it won't come out. i tried pliers to no avail and even tried to burn it out but the fumes and the fact that it might not work were freaking me out so i just put it back on all mangled. as of now it rides fine i guess but it turns to one side so bad.

so, too long, but is there any way to get those fucking pivot cups out? i guess my second concern is that i do finally get it out and the new one i have doesn't fit in right. but i really don't want to buy new trucks. what's the word?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pandarelated on November 01, 2010, 04:04:46 PM
why not just buy new trucks?
but i guess if your not feeling that.. you can get new ace baseplates from this site.

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on November 01, 2010, 04:45:25 PM
fuck new trucks.

thanks for that link tho, got a pair of replacement baseplates for ~ 7.50$ shipped
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on November 01, 2010, 05:49:35 PM
why not just buy new trucks?
but i guess if your not feeling that.. you can get new ace baseplates from this site.

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)

What a weird website!  You can buy baseplates for Ace and Indy's for $1.95 a piece!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on November 01, 2010, 11:19:56 PM
why not just buy new trucks?
but i guess if your not feeling that.. you can get new ace baseplates from this site.

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=22&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)

What a weird website!  You can buy baseplates for Ace and Indy's for $1.95 a piece!
Weird, but awesome, definitely.

My only problem with Aces have been that the bushings have been deteriorating pretty much from the get-go. Need to put some Bones in there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tuque on November 07, 2010, 11:35:04 PM
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: noileum on November 08, 2010, 12:55:35 AM
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?

66's are going to be a bit on the wide side for 8.75 I would think mate.  I'd go for the 55's

(http://www.acetruckmfg.com/homebanners/sizechart.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on November 08, 2010, 03:03:15 AM
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?

Mine have looked a bit bent since the day I got them, and even in that picture above they all look a little bent. Because of that I'm always looking if my axles have been bent more, but in reality they've just always looked the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tuque on November 08, 2010, 03:36:16 AM
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?

66's are going to be a bit on the wide side for 8.75 I would think mate.  I'd go for the 55's

(http://www.acetruckmfg.com/homebanners/sizechart.jpg)


Its all preference.  Most people ride an Indy 149 on an 8.5 but I feel like the 169 works better.  They are just a tiny bit wider than the board.  I think a Ace size 66 would fit the same way on an 8.75.  They have the 55 listed as fitting 8.75 to 9.0 on their website but I think a wider truck would be better for that size of board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: codeine on December 13, 2010, 03:29:43 PM
I rode a pair of 33s for nearly a year even. I was so hyped when I'd grinded away the number on the hangar!

But like the first post, the pivot cup was mangled half way through the life of the trucks. I replaced the bottom one and originally replaced the bushings with a Red Indy bushing and a bottom white bones bushing. (not sure of the durameter on either of those).

They rode like a dream. I preferred the turning "flop" over the Indy radius.

But since there were no immediate shops in the area that stocked them and I wanted to skate. I've been back on Thunder Highs 2nd set in a row since the Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: H8R part 4 on December 13, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
i rode a pair of 22s and 33s, and they're pretty good trucks.  they grind great right and they turn great, probably better than most of the trucks i've ridden.  its unfortunate that they just come with terrible bushings, but i threw in some orange indy stock bushings and they were good to go.

the axle is a optical illusion, i don't know?  its definitely looks bent but it doesn't ride like its bent, i can't explain it?, but it really wasn't an issue for me, its not like i'm riding around and staring at my trucks. 

you can remove the pivot cup.  its a bitch sometimes but its not that difficult if you know what you're doing.  it works with the standard pivot cup as well.  my cups got trashed so i threw on some old venture pivot cups and they worked just fine.     

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pandarelated on December 13, 2010, 11:01:48 PM
aces are at their best with bones bushing. i don't like the stock ones.
i read somewhere else on slap that the bent axle look is from the design. there is more "metal" in the middle of the hanger then edges. so it looks bent. and if you place it on a flat surface.. they will rock. but the axle is indeed straight. if your axle was bent. wouldn't your wheels reverse cone? (sorta)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on December 14, 2010, 12:45:47 AM
what did you use to pull the pivot cups out? i tried a bunch of things, even tried to set them on fire and burn them out
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Foray on December 14, 2010, 01:48:05 AM
facing trucks?  never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on December 14, 2010, 03:00:27 AM
facing trucks?  never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Or you could just put a washer in there...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: H8R part 4 on December 14, 2010, 01:58:08 PM
what did you use to pull the pivot cups out? i tried a bunch of things, even tried to set them on fire and burn them out

needle nose pliers. 
i actually pulled one out the other day and inserted a venture one just because of this thread. 
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/4113/image411m.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on December 15, 2010, 03:25:17 PM
I found out that Ace makes a size 66 and I am excited to try them on one of those 8.75 anti heros. 

Has anybody found that the axles are bending on their ace trucks?

I have been riding the same set of 55's for about 2 and half years, my front one is ground to the axle in a couple of spots and has not bent. I ride 8.75's, and 55's fit perfect, but I think the 66 would work fine as well.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: burm on December 16, 2010, 04:08:11 AM
I haven't had any problems with the pivot cups on my Ace's. I put some lithium grease in them when I swapped the bushings for Bones ones to get rid of any squeaking. Now they are just delightful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Archers of Chaka on December 16, 2010, 03:57:52 PM
From my experiences pivot cups have always been a pain to get out with any kind of truck. Had a set of indys once where for one of the trucks the pivot cup would just slide right out, a little too easily actually, which was pretty cool, reduced the hassle. I think i may have gotten one that they accidentally made a bit smaller cause it would go in and come out super easily.

Whenever I get new trucks I always like to keep as much of the old shit as possible, including the pivot cup. Right now I'm skating a set of indys with new baseplates mixed with my old bushings and hangers. the axle for one of the hangers is so worn out that the nut wont even catch on to the threads, it just screws straight through without catching on to the point where you can tighten them all the way down with your fingers, so i superglued that shit on there. The hanger is still skateable so why waste it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dbk on December 21, 2010, 03:32:20 AM
To remove a pivot that you don't intend to re-use, try a sharp awl to pry it out. Or an awl with a pair of needlenose pliers/vicegrips as someone else suggested.

Whatever you do, do not light them on fire. The gas released from burning urethane is incredibly toxic and not something you want to  mess with.

Some trucks used to have a small hole in the baseplate under the pivot cup so you could simply poke out the pivot from the bottom. Might not be a half-bad idea to drill one yourself if you like using your baseplates for as long as possible and transferring them over.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vince the stud on December 26, 2010, 03:48:18 PM
i am dying to try a pair...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on July 14, 2013, 03:46:03 AM
i want to get trucks for an 8.25 should i go with the 44s or 33s. I currently skate a 8.125 and want to move up to start shredding more tranny and shit. let me know what you guys think. thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sleepypancakes on July 14, 2013, 06:04:53 AM
i want to get trucks for an 8.25 should i go with the 44s or 33s. I currently skate a 8.125 and want to move up to start shredding more tranny and shit. let me know what you guys think. thanks
44s. I have them on an 8.3
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SkateViolence on July 14, 2013, 08:03:01 AM
44's for sure. I have them on my 8.25 and it is perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 15, 2013, 09:23:55 AM
I have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action.  After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.

Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ShihtzuEnthusiast on July 15, 2013, 11:39:46 AM
If y'all are having trouble taking out pivot cups, I found that using a staple remover works great.

(http://leahkayajanian.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/stapleremover.jpg)

Just push the metal teeth into the side of the old pivot cup and scoop it out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kinch on July 17, 2013, 02:20:27 AM
I have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action.  After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.

Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?

They are definitely better with Bones. The stock ones aren't too bad though, I've definitely skated worse bushings. I am currently skating 44s with hards and they're perfect. I still use the top washer, more out of habit than anything else though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on July 17, 2013, 02:26:52 AM
thanks for answering my question ill definitely be coping a pair of 44s. With aces ive had before i rocked bones medium with one of the washers. They are a little stiff at first but become awesome after a week of shredding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 17, 2013, 10:20:33 AM
I have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action.  After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.

Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?

They are definitely better with Bones. The stock ones aren't too bad though, I've definitely skated worse bushings. I am currently skating 44s with hards and they're perfect. I still use the top washer, more out of habit than anything else though.

Thanks.  I'll give it a shot with the stock bushings but have some Bones Hards ready for the eventual swap.  As far as running the top washer, I just got used to taking it off because, in my experience, Bones won't fit in Thunders with the top washer and I haven't ever had problems without it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kinch on July 17, 2013, 03:33:46 PM
I have a set of Ace 44s that are waiting for my Thunders to shit the bed so that they can see some action.  After plenty of experimentation with different bushings and durometers I have settled on Bones Hard Bushings and no washers (top or bottom) for Indys, Thunders and Theeves and I run them fairly loose.

Are Ace's better with Bones Bushings and no washers also or do people just stick with the stock bushing setup?

They are definitely better with Bones. The stock ones aren't too bad though, I've definitely skated worse bushings. I am currently skating 44s with hards and they're perfect. I still use the top washer, more out of habit than anything else though.

Thanks.  I'll give it a shot with the stock bushings but have some Bones Hards ready for the eventual swap.  As far as running the top washer, I just got used to taking it off because, in my experience, Bones won't fit in Thunders with the top washer and I haven't ever had problems without it.

No worries, I had a similar issue with Thunders but with Aces they fit no problem with the washer. Coincidentally I also switched from a set of Thunders to Aces and now I wouldn't go back, enjoy that shit man.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: J.R. on July 17, 2013, 03:45:07 PM
Are these trucks considered hi's?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on July 17, 2013, 06:03:53 PM
Are these trucks considered hi's?

Yes but they do make lows in 22 and 33 sizes
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: paraquat on February 09, 2014, 10:24:32 AM
Bump. Just got some high 33's. The winter is still aggressive, but I figured buying new shit would get me amped for spring.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: filmthis on February 09, 2014, 01:58:40 PM
Bump. Just got some high 33's. The winter is still aggressive, but I figured buying new shit would get me amped for spring.
even though i'm recovering from an ankle injury (it'll be a little while...), i just got some 44's. definitely hyped me up to keep up with my physical therapy because having fresh stuff in reserve is just plain nice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Young Satchel on February 09, 2014, 03:21:53 PM
Got some 44s for Christmas.  Skated them no more than 3 times due to shit weather, but they feel great.  Except for stupid creaky pivot cup on one of them  :-\
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on February 09, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
I got some 44s on a Christmas complete and I've skated it probably 10 times. I love how the trucks turn, but they're still super squeaky. They grind a little weird because the way the hanger is curved so that will take some getting used to. I heard they made it like that so that your grind on the side of the truck rather than in the middle. Mine broke in almost instantly and they keep feeling looser and looser the more I skate them. I've been skating that set up mostly this winter, but today I rode my other set up with Indy 139s and they felt so tight today, even though I originally set the aces around the same as my Indys, and I wouldn't have considered the Indys to be tight before I got the aces. Overall I love them and back them 100%.

Anyone know what hardness bones bushings ace comes with now? I might have to get some for my Indys now because I love the way the aces feel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: paraquat on February 09, 2014, 04:10:15 PM
^^^that gets me psyched. I went from a pair of indys to thunders and now to ace. Indy and thunders could not get loose enough even with bones for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SkateViolence on February 09, 2014, 04:53:14 PM
Aces are the shit. I've been skating them for almost a year now and I jumped on a board with Indys the other day and felt like I couldn't turn at all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: soccer mom on February 09, 2014, 10:03:20 PM
Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on February 09, 2014, 10:06:24 PM
I walked in to the shop the other day and picked a pair of raw 33's... Walked out with stage 11 139's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TFUCKINA on February 09, 2014, 10:25:14 PM
I got some 44s on a Christmas complete and I've skated it probably 10 times. I love how the trucks turn, but they're still super squeaky. They grind a little weird because the way the hanger is curved so that will take some getting used to. I heard they made it like that so that your grind on the side of the truck rather than in the middle. Mine broke in almost instantly and they keep feeling looser and looser the more I skate them. I've been skating that set up mostly this winter, but today I rode my other set up with Indy 139s and they felt so tight today, even though I originally set the aces around the same as my Indys, and I wouldn't have considered the Indys to be tight before I got the aces. Overall I love them and back them 100%.

Anyone know what hardness bones bushings ace comes with now? I might have to get some for my Indys now because I love the way the aces feel.

After reading your description of how ace's turn, there is no way I could ever skate those, I love the way they look though, the shape of the hanger is cool, reminds me of a wider Indy 109.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on February 10, 2014, 06:30:08 AM
I walked in to the shop the other day and picked a pair of raw 33's... Walked out with stage 11 139's.


awesome.


Anyone know what hardness bones bushings ace comes with now? I might have to get some for my Indys now because I love the way the aces feel.


realized that i ace doesnt come with bones bushings and i got them confused with theeve. if i were going to go with bones bushings on my indys to get close to the same feel as my aces, would you guys go with soft of medium?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on February 10, 2014, 11:48:32 AM
I think I'm going to try out Aces on my next board. I've been on nothing but Indy's for a long long time, and it would be nice to do something new.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 6 pac on February 10, 2014, 11:58:48 AM
im on my first pair of aces, for almost an half year now and im about to order my second pair.
i ride mine with bones medium bushings and khiro soft pivot cups, its the perfect truck for me and i was on indys and thunders before.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on February 10, 2014, 01:14:28 PM
It feels like you can do figure 8 s on flat....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on February 12, 2014, 08:21:54 PM
Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some

I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weigh 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sleepypancakes on February 13, 2014, 08:31:38 AM
Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some

I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weight 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?

I haven't bent any that I've had either and I'm on my third set of 44s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on February 13, 2014, 04:16:37 PM
Do they make an 8.0/8.125 truck? I just stepped down from 8.5 and need a new set of trucks. I might end up going to 8.25 so I guess I could always get the 44's. But most likely I'll stay at 8/8.125.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: paraquat on February 13, 2014, 05:38:17 PM
Do they make an 8.0/8.125 truck? I just stepped down from 8.5 and need a new set of trucks. I might end up going to 8.25 so I guess I could always get the 44's. But most likely I'll stay at 8/8.125.

I got the 33s. I have yet to receive them in the mail, but they are allegedly for 7.88-8.125
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on February 15, 2014, 01:06:29 AM
just got the 33's. rode em and they feel loose compared to the thunder hi's i had before. look forward to skating em tomorrow.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cajungly on February 15, 2014, 06:11:50 PM
my hanger snapped through the side of the pivot cups i wanna get a new baseplate but there 10 bucks cheaper than the trucks themselves has anyone ever heard of refunds through ace or know anyone to contact thanks
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on February 15, 2014, 09:21:44 PM
my hanger snapped through the side of the pivot cups i wanna get a new baseplate but there 10 bucks cheaper than the trucks themselves has anyone ever heard of refunds through ace or know anyone to contact thanks

You're probably thinking of the magnesium baseplates.. Try contacting them at [email protected] , they answer pretty quickly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 27, 2014, 06:10:27 PM
im on my first pair of aces, for almost an half year now and im about to order my second pair.
i ride mine with bones medium bushings and khiro soft pivot cups, its the perfect truck for me and i was on indys and thunders before.

I've got a set of 44s with bones mediums, soft khiro cups and magnesium plates, epic combination; I've ridden them on 8.125"/8.25"/8.38"s

On my 8.75" setup I use a set of 55s, bowl use only.

A couple of years ago I rode some 03 lows with bones hards, seemed to work well

Now as far as comparing them to other trucks, the new V3 Theeves w/out the top washer are really stellar trucks and I prefer them to ACE on street as they are more stable/less squirrly, but if you skate tranny, Aces are untouchable (having skated stage 11/thunder/theeve in tranny).

One thing of note, if you ride loose and use the kihro aluminum insert bushing ACEs will destroy them.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Matt on March 05, 2014, 11:43:21 AM
I will throw this out there that while Ace Trucks may not look the best they are very solid and I am not the only one in my group of skaters to ride them. All in all they are a great set of trucks!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on March 31, 2014, 03:36:42 AM
I'm dying with my current set of thunders and might want to try out Aces. If 147s feel a bit too narrow for an 8.125, should I go for the 44s or 33s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 6 pac on March 31, 2014, 03:48:04 AM
if 147 feels too narrow you should go with 44s.
im riding 33s on 8,125 boards and im happy with it, if youre riding 44s youre axle will stick out a little bit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on March 31, 2014, 11:53:04 AM
Damn, basically it'll be a mindfuck either way. Guess I'll have to decide which width looks worse.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 02, 2014, 11:07:09 AM
I use a flathead screwdriver and just pry it out, hasn't failed me yet
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweat stains on April 02, 2014, 11:32:52 AM
I replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SOFT 7 on April 02, 2014, 09:11:34 PM
dont fuck with your pivot cups if you dont have to. They are the worst thing to break in, and new ones will make your trucks feel like shit. As a temporary fix. try putting a very small amount of grease on the tip of your hanger, where it goes in the pivot cup. While your truck is apart, put some grease in and around your bushing seats also. If the sound goes away, great. If it comes back, use some sand paper to rough up those same spots.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 03, 2014, 04:17:08 PM
The axel is starting to slip on mine. Ill be skating and one wheel will be super loose while the other one is locked in tight.  Not too much of a big deal but that shit gets annoying. I am sure its a defect but the shit thing is I am in China and Aces are hard to find here. Which is why I dont want to even inform Ace about it because shipping is expensive.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on April 05, 2014, 06:31:59 PM
Had that happen on a set of mine after they where worn out, I just added extra washers and kept the bolt a little loose so there was some play.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cookieboy on April 05, 2014, 07:23:58 PM
I'm currently skating  some indys but am really tempted to try out some ace trucks. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how they compare to one another? Also I'm guessing for 8.25 should I go with ace 44? Would these poke out of my board? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: eSHkidd on April 05, 2014, 07:41:29 PM
I'm currently skating  some indys but am really tempted to try out some ace trucks. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how they compare to one another? Also I'm guessing for 8.25 should I go with ace 44? Would these poke out of my board? 

Ace 44 are 8.25 axle and made for 8.25.

However, imo, Ace are really lacking for street tricks (flat/rail/ledge/impact). Ace are lighter and turn more cruisier than Indy, and are great for transition and bowls. However, note that only Indy/Thunder/Venture are USA-made, and Ace are manufactured in China. I have serious problems with locking in, balance, and grinding on street obstacles compared to Indy and Thunder. I would recommend Indy > Ace due to Indy being much more of a quality U.S. build, much better for street, and are equal to Ace in transition.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on April 05, 2014, 09:01:19 PM
A lot of the newer Indy's are made in china, all Indy axles and nuts are now Chinese. I have tried to skate friends boards with Indy's on them and after 5 years of riding ACE, Indy feel like shit!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on April 05, 2014, 09:39:28 PM
Ace hangers are convexed too which makes them a little but harder to get used to grinding street obstacles. They make them that way so you lock into grinds on your wheel, making them a good option for tranny, but they're a bit sketchy on rails and ledges.

And it's quite obvious that ace skate really loose and turny, but they're super stable. After you're used to them, all other trucks are going to feel tighter. I tried to get the same turn out of my Indys as I had on my ace so I loosened them up a bunch and I could barely ride for the first like half hour because they were so floppy. I like them now, but it definitely took some getting used to.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cookieboy on April 06, 2014, 09:50:02 AM
Man I'm honestly torn between either getting a new set of indys or the ace but I'll give ace a shot. I really want to get into skating tranny and I'm sure after time I'll get use to grinding in them. Thanks a lot for all the input guys!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on April 06, 2014, 11:18:15 AM
Stick with Indy or Thunder. They are mostly made in SF still, except the forged stuff. I'm sure the bolts and nuts, etc are just mass-produced and every truck manufacturer uses the same.

The Stage 11 turn really well, are higher than Aces and are stronger, form what I've seen. Ace metal feels very different also... softer perhaps?

If you want a lighter truck with a quicker turn, Thunder are very good also.

Just an opinion...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cookieboy on April 06, 2014, 12:10:28 PM
Thunders are also pretty great. The last pair I had were some 149 raws and those were great. I'm also interested in the new thunders that they recently started to make.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: wallieD on April 06, 2014, 12:20:40 PM
Man I'm honestly torn between either getting a new set of indys or the ace but I'll give ace a shot. I really want to get into skating tranny and I'm sure after time I'll get use to grinding in them. Thanks a lot for all the input guys!
ace are probably the best trucks i've skated. been riding them for the last few years and had no problems, other than pivot cups wearing out/ a problem for me with any trucks. and the kingpins can get loose, but i've skated with them like that for a year, and they never broke. recently i've been wanting to change things up and skate a bulkier hanger though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Willie on April 06, 2014, 01:16:24 PM
Are Ace 44s 8.25 or 8.5?

I keep wanting to try something bigger than 8.0 but the last two times I tried new trucks I hated the results and was out $90. Thunder 149s were wheelbite city and Indy Stage 10s were heavy and slow.

Currently riding Hi Venture 5.2s which are a weird truck but I'm used to them. Seems like nobody else on the planet rides Venture Hi's...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on April 06, 2014, 03:33:11 PM
You can ride 44's on boards up to 8.75
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on April 06, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
i'm a recent convert.  Vegan Seanny helped talk me into it

at first it was hard to get used to how turney they are, even with them tightened up.  didn't take too long though.  i'm really digging them now and would probably dislike riding Indy's, though i am intrigued by the titanium ones

i like that Ace are slightly lighter, less bulky, and nice clean lines.   minus is the pivot cups blew out on me quickly.  i would buy some ahead of time to have around.  i'm riding mine with bones mediums. 

the other reason i wanted to get them is i wanted to bump up to a slightly bigger set up, but no a 8.5.  44's seem perfect for 8.25 range deck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cookieboy on April 06, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
Does any pivot cup work? I'm thinking of ordering some ace 44 with bones medium and some extra pivot cups just in case off of tactics but I'm not sure if some indy pivot cups will work just fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on April 06, 2014, 04:27:02 PM
i'm sure they do.  i've red people using whichever brand, but i went ahead and bought the Ace ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on April 06, 2014, 05:23:36 PM
I used Indy and Ace ones with no issue. I would recommend getting extra pivot cups, hopefully they will get that defect fixed soon. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: heritage on April 06, 2014, 05:25:07 PM
If you want a lighter truck with a quicker turn, Thunder are very good also.

Agreed, and I am pretty loyal to Thunder trucks. Great combo of weight, durability and functionality. I never understood when people say they can't get Thunders to turn. Just doesn't make any sense. I skate medium duro conical bushings (Bones or Khiro) and they turn great. I also hear people complain about wheelbite with Thunders, but that will happen with any loose truck. I normally ride 53/54 size wheels and it's fine. I skated Ace 44 last year and I thought they felt a little sloppy and I wasn't crazy about the quality. That said, I fully back Joey Tershay and what he is doing with Ace, they just don't work for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 06, 2014, 08:09:05 PM
If you want a lighter truck with a quicker turn, Thunder are very good also.

Agreed, and I am pretty loyal to Thunder trucks. Great combo of weight, durability and functionality. I never understood when people say they can't get Thunders to turn. Just doesn't make any sense. I skate medium duro conical bushings (Bones or Khiro) and they turn great. I also hear people complain about wheelbite with Thunders, but that will happen with any loose truck. I normally ride 53/54 size wheels and it's fine. I skated Ace 44 last year and I thought they felt a little sloppy and I wasn't crazy about the quality. That said, I fully back Joey Tershay and what he is doing with Ace, they just don't work for me.

i went from thunders to the ace 33's and loved how they turned. i just couldn't get used to riding my thunders just as loose with such a low king pin.. i posted on here my accels slipped (for sure a defect) and i am living in china where ace's aren't stocked at the local shop. i would have boughten another pair easily if they were around.. had to get some venture hi's and they work pretty well so far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on April 06, 2014, 09:46:03 PM
If you want a lighter truck with a quicker turn, Thunder are very good also.

Agreed, and I am pretty loyal to Thunder trucks. Great combo of weight, durability and functionality. I never understood when people say they can't get Thunders to turn. Just doesn't make any sense. I skate medium duro conical bushings (Bones or Khiro) and they turn great. I also hear people complain about wheelbite with Thunders, but that will happen with any loose truck. I normally ride 53/54 size wheels and it's fine. I skated Ace 44 last year and I thought they felt a little sloppy and I wasn't crazy about the quality. That said, I fully back Joey Tershay and what he is doing with Ace, they just don't work for me.

Currently using the new Thunder 149s with broken-in-to-shit bones meds, 55mm wheels and 1/8" riser pad and get very little wheelbite problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on April 07, 2014, 05:21:01 PM
To me turning wise you can't even bring in thunder in the same conversation.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chickeneverymeal on April 08, 2014, 11:46:38 PM
I got some Ace 2 months ago and really liked how they felt. However sunday both axles slipped. I have never had a pair personally that had one slip let alone 2 at the same time. Got some thunder lights now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SodaJerk on April 09, 2014, 04:27:57 AM
I replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?
It might be that the Bones Hard bushings are too hard. I've ridden Ace with hard on the bottom and medium on top and that worked well. Are you using washers on the bushings?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on April 09, 2014, 09:54:37 AM
To me turning wise you can't even bring in thunder in the same conversation.....

I don't know... with the right riser and bushing combo you can get a very responsive, loose turn out of thunders, especially the 151s and new 149s. I put a bones med on the bottom (with washer) and leave the stock top bushing (which is soft and slim)... using the regular baseplates (non-forged) gives you a bit more height and leverage also.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on April 10, 2014, 09:21:38 PM
Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some

I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weight 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?

I haven't bent any that I've had either and I'm on my third set of 44s


Mine didn't hold up so well.  I loved them while they lasted though.  A few days ago I started noticing a weird sag from my board and I couldn't figure out what the hell it was.  I took a close look at my trucks and realized that not only did one of them look pretty bent but there is a hairline crack in the hanger that's split all the way down to the axle...

(http://i.imgur.com/Fljm2Ru.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/twrTBkw.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/dFJQDTs.jpg?1)

I broke the hanger on my last set of Thunders also so I might just have shit luck...
(http://i.imgur.com/RqK1SmL.jpg?2)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweat stains on April 10, 2014, 09:31:43 PM
I replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?
It might be that the Bones Hard bushings are too hard. I've ridden Ace with hard on the bottom and medium on top and that worked well. Are you using washers on the bushings?
They probably are too hard. Put 20-30 hours on the bushings and put my old pivot cups back in and it still doesn't feel right. I have washers on top, none on bottom. I'm going to see if I still have the stock Ace bushings to put back in...

edit: just put brand new Ace bushings in, just turning the truck with my hand feels 10x better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on April 10, 2014, 10:35:44 PM
Yea I have bent about 3 pairs of them, but they are still the best. I agree you feel like Indy's, Thunder, Theeve don't turn for shit after riding them. I have the magnesium baseplates and they slide well on nose and tail slides. Get some

I have been riding them since they came out, I have one set on my pool board that are ground to the axle and still not bent, I weight 200 lbs and can't bend them, how did yours bend?

I haven't bent any that I've had either and I'm on my third set of 44s


Mine didn't hold up so well.  I loved them while they lasted though.  A few days ago I started noticing a weird sag from my board and I couldn't figure out what the hell it was.  I took a close look at my trucks and realized that not only did one of them look pretty bent but there is a hairline crack in the hanger that's split all the way down to the axle...

(http://i.imgur.com/Fljm2Ru.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/twrTBkw.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/dFJQDTs.jpg?1)

I broke the hanger on my last set of Thunders also so I might just have shit luck...
(http://i.imgur.com/RqK1SmL.jpg?2)

sheeeeeit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tanginacat on April 11, 2014, 01:13:10 AM
I replaced the bushings (with Bones hards) and pivot cups (with Indy ones) in my Aces that I've had for a couple months, and even after skating a few times since then, my setup feels like shit. Super creaky and just doesn't turn right. Is it just the bushings or do pivot cups have to be broken in too? Usually Bones bushings don't take this long to break in so I'm not sure what to do other than just ride it out.
Any tips?
It might be that the Bones Hard bushings are too hard. I've ridden Ace with hard on the bottom and medium on top and that worked well. Are you using washers on the bushings?
They probably are too hard. Put 20-30 hours on the bushings and put my old pivot cups back in and it still doesn't feel right. I have washers on top, none on bottom. I'm going to see if I still have the stock Ace bushings to put back in...

edit: just put brand new Ace bushings in, just turning the truck with my hand feels 10x better.
this is happening in my koston 149's with bones med i think bones dont fuck with barrel type trucks just my 2 cents tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Conan on May 04, 2014, 01:50:04 PM
Whats the sizing on the trucks? Is it"
03/33 8 inch, 44 8.5 inch, 55 9 inch, 66 9.5 inch?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 04, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
Whats the sizing on the trucks? Is it"
03/33 8 inch, 44 8.5 inch, 55 9 inch, 66 9.5 inch?


I know the 44 is like 8.25, the 55 is 8.875, and 66 is 9.25. Not sure on the 33, I wanna say it's like 7.9 or something.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Young Satchel on May 05, 2014, 03:24:56 AM
Man... when the fuck is this creaky pivot cup gonna shut the fuck up?!

Only plus side is it makes it tougher to hear my old man knees.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: b.v. on May 05, 2014, 07:41:27 AM
Man... when the fuck is this creaky pivot cup gonna shut the fuck up?!

Only plus side is it makes it tougher to hear my old man knees.
If you have bones speed cream try putting a drop in each cup, helps for a bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: weepee on May 05, 2014, 08:54:58 AM
or use vaseline, it worked for my indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 256 Ply on May 05, 2014, 02:58:28 PM
Man... when the fuck is this creaky pivot cup gonna shut the fuck up?!

They'll never go away on their own.

Put a drop of oil or wax or soap shavings in the pivot cup and the squeaks will cease.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Conan on May 06, 2014, 08:34:17 AM
Anyone skated the 03'S? If so, how did you find them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on May 06, 2014, 10:04:31 AM
I had a set of the ACE lows (03's) last year. They felt a little too low for the turning radius and I ended up experiencing a lot wheel of bite. I tried using bones mediums, then bones hards with 52mm wheels and kept getting pitched when turning too sharp. Also the kingpin stuck out pretty high and would catch when grinding. The highs (33's) feel a lot better in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Conan on May 06, 2014, 10:44:25 AM
/\/\ Thanks for the reply, think i'll give them a miss.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on May 07, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
I had a set of the ACE lows (03's) last year. They felt a little too low for the turning radius and I ended up experiencing a lot wheel of bite. I tried using bones mediums, then bones hards with 52mm wheels and kept getting pitched when turning too sharp. Also the kingpin stuck out pretty high and would catch when grinding. The highs (33's) feel a lot better in my opinion.

But isn't that the same problem you will encounter with any pair of low trucks ? I don't see the point of riding low trucks unless all you do is skate the manual pad at your local park or just enjoy tight trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 26, 2014, 06:00:27 PM
I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 26, 2014, 08:13:35 PM
I think the Indys will hold up better but the aces turn mental.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: foureyedjim on May 26, 2014, 09:41:43 PM
I think the Indys will hold up better but the aces turn mental.....
I decided to loosen my aces again...tightened em back up almost immediately...haha
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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 26, 2014, 11:38:21 PM
I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.

ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons

ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy

Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Randozzi on May 27, 2014, 12:29:23 AM
half of that post was opinion and obviously slightly sarcastic.
you haven't tried the stage 11s.
Ace's are great trucks no doubt but to say Indys are slow is wrong.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 27, 2014, 12:34:48 AM
I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.

ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons

ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy

Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts


You are the fucking worst
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BRO on May 27, 2014, 12:53:13 AM
I was surprised earlier when I clicked on page 4 and didn't see a Vegan Shawn post, ballyhooing all aspects of ACE trucks. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 27, 2014, 02:26:49 AM
I can usually agree on things shawn says on here, but there's more than one version of indys out, theres a little something for everyone.
Ace's pivot area, i honestly don't know if that part has a name, looks way too thin and just throws me off looking at it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on May 27, 2014, 03:15:57 AM
I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.

ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons

ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy

Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts


do fat people give you highfives for conforming?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on May 27, 2014, 06:29:13 AM
i might have made this comment before about compairing ace to indy, but this is what i think.

ace turn A LOT more. if you set up two boards, one with ace and one with indy, and you want them to turn the same, the indys will feel a hell of a lot looser when you step on the board. with ace, you still get the turn youd get out of a super loose truck, but since you dont have to loosen them as much, they ride a bit more stable. thats just how ive experienced the two.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 27, 2014, 09:05:10 AM
Thanks guys, I'll think about it a little more and hopefully make my choice soon.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on May 27, 2014, 10:04:32 AM
I'm probably going to try some 33's the next time I need trucks. My question is why does Ace get a pass from most yet Diamond doesn't? It's the same company. There's a fucking diamond in the Ace logo!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Joust Ostrich on May 27, 2014, 10:24:13 AM
I'm probably going to try some 33's the next time I need trucks. My question is why does Ace get a pass from most yet Diamond doesn't? It's the same company. There's a fucking diamond in the Ace logo!

I'm going to venture a guess here.  Ace makes a good product for a fair price, consumers like that. 
Then there's this, which probably costs $80.
(http://www.awhsales.com/images/product/medium/32019.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: El Chupacabra on May 27, 2014, 10:33:16 AM
So I've ridden Indy 149s for years and years. My friend gave me a set of Ace 44s and I gotta say, they're pretty rad. They're much snappier than the Indys and have a much sharper turn.
Indy 149s are a jumbo jet, Ace 44s are a fighter jet.
I dig 'em.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 27, 2014, 10:40:44 AM
I'm probably going to try some 33's the next time I need trucks. My question is why does Ace get a pass from most yet Diamond doesn't? It's the same company. There's a fucking diamond in the Ace logo!

Ace gets a pass because people like the trucks.....

Go start a thread on how the hardware stacks up.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on May 27, 2014, 11:08:50 AM
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 27, 2014, 11:43:06 AM
I need new trucks for my 8' board, because the Thunder 147's aren't cutting it for me. I just can't get them loose enough. I had Indy 149's before, and I just took off the washers and finger-tightened the kingpin nut and it was great, but the 149's are just a little too big for the 8'. So should I get some Indy 139's and just take off the washers, or get ace 33's? I LOVE loose trucks so I think aces would work, I'm just worried about the cheaper build.

ACE for sure, but here are the pros and cons

ACE:
Pros - best turning truck on the market, lighter then indy's, grind great, look cool, skater owned
Cons - some people have bent them (I have not in the years I have been riding them), pivot cup blows out easy

Indy:
Pros - Old guys will give you a high five for your conformity, some people like the slower turning, the heaviness will help build your ankle muscles
Cons - turn slow, heaviest trucks on the market, you have to get new bushings to make them turn right, old guys who don't skate wear their t shirts


do fat people give you highfives for conforming?

ha ha that's funny, plus I am not fat, I am fluffy :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 27, 2014, 11:44:34 AM
half of that post was opinion and obviously slightly sarcastic.
you haven't tried the stage 11s.
Ace's are great trucks no doubt but to say Indys are slow is wrong.

I rode a friends set up at the park the other day, they turn a little better, but he still had to take off washers, get different bushings to get them fairly loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TFUCKINA on May 27, 2014, 12:10:08 PM
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm)

Your gonna pull out the grammar thing? The oldest message board shit talking method there is? You must of had nothing else up your sleeve. Lmfao.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on May 27, 2014, 12:44:40 PM
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm)

Your gonna pull out the grammar thing? The oldest message board shit talking method there is? You must of had nothing else up your sleeve. Lmfao.
There's nothing else because I'm fucking right.  I guarantee if they were called Diamond trucks instead of Ace NOBODY here would fuck with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TFUCKINA on May 27, 2014, 01:09:48 PM
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm)

Your gonna pull out the grammar thing? The oldest message board shit talking method there is? You must of had nothing else up your sleeve. Lmfao.
There's nothing else because I'm fucking right.  I guarantee if they were called Diamond trucks instead of Ace NOBODY here would fuck with them.

I agree with you on that. The people who skate ace, and the people who wear diamond shit, are two completley different types of people. If the marketing was done differently, i too believe both products would cater to the same crowd. But it doesnt matter to me, because ace trucks are complete shit, and i wouldnt wear a cheesy ass diamond tshirt if someone paid me to.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rideflannel on May 27, 2014, 01:49:05 PM
I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: art hellman on May 27, 2014, 02:02:02 PM
I have a brand new set of ACE 44s I'll sell to someone for $35 shipped.

PM me.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 27, 2014, 03:24:50 PM
I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.

That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BRO on May 27, 2014, 04:27:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/HOzZijul.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/h2JPx54l.jpg)

For me, it's just trial and error with getting the bushings right.  What everyone has said about ACE being inherently loose and sharp turning is true.  I like them and still have 2 sets.  I'm skating Indys right now with a mix of Bones soft/med.  I usually just take them to our cheese grater to make them a little shorter, and ultimately looser/quicker responding.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rideflannel on May 27, 2014, 04:42:43 PM
I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.

That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?

Naw, I haven't tried any other replacements. I just have to dig out pivot cups from old base plates I have laying around or baseplates sitting around the local shop. Any recommendations?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 27, 2014, 05:04:32 PM
I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.

That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?

Naw, I haven't tried any other replacements. I just have to dig out pivot cups from old base plates I have laying around or baseplates sitting around the local shop. Any recommendations?



Ace makes a replacement pivot cup that is really good, have not blown one out. Also I think shorties makes one.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 27, 2014, 11:11:50 PM
And if you want something between an Indy and ace....and don't really care what people think.....Theeve all the way....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TFUCKINA on May 28, 2014, 02:12:36 AM
And if you want something between an Indy and ace....and don't really care what people think.....Theeve all the way....

Yes! Thats all i skate now! Ill probably get some indys next though....maybe.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on May 28, 2014, 03:27:07 AM
I switched from Indy to Ace a few years ago and have ridden both the 44's and the 55's. They are sick, but I am tired of replacing the pivot cups. Right now, my front truck is an Ace hanger on an Indy base plate because the Ace base plate warped around the pivot cup hole and broke.

I'm going to finish riding the 55's until I grind through the axle and then switch back to Indys. Can't wait to get a pair of 169's.

That's a bummer, I really wish they would fix the pivot cup issues, have you used the after market replacement?

Naw, I haven't tried any other replacements. I just have to dig out pivot cups from old base plates I have laying around or baseplates sitting around the local shop. Any recommendations?



Ace makes a replacement pivot cup that is really good, have not blown one out. Also I think shorties makes one.

And Khiro I think, I have a set for when my pivot cups are completely shredded, theres still some rubber in there.

Never heard of the warping of the actual hole.. If you're down for ace, get the magnesium baseplates and aftermarket pivot cups and you're set forever, just switch out the hanger when its grinded down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 28, 2014, 04:38:32 PM
Fuck man the axle one of my 44's slipped so badly I couldn't even keep my axle nut on with enough room for my wheel to spin.  I've only been skating these for like 3 months and my skating is completely low impact.  It was only on my back truck so I'm hoping it was just a defect but I'm really bummed.  I just emailed ace so we'll see what happens... I really liked these trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on May 28, 2014, 05:55:57 PM
Fuck man the axle one of my 44's slipped so badly I couldn't even keep my axle nut on with enough room for my wheel to spin.  I've only been skating these for like 3 months and my skating is completely low impact.  It was only on my back truck so I'm hoping it was just a defect but I'm really bummed.  I just emailed ace so we'll see what happens... I really liked these trucks.

it happened to a set i got this past february on the 33's. good truck but the axle slip sucked!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 28, 2014, 11:49:25 PM
Get a paper route and buy the tih's when the new ones come out...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 29, 2014, 02:20:49 AM
lol I work, money's not an issue.  But what are you talking about, are they doing a titanium truck? I don't really like lighter trucks honestly and aces are already pretty light to begin with.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 29, 2014, 10:49:55 AM
Hanger is all one piece....so no axel slip ever.....they turn somewhere between an ace and an Indy.....they grind a bit different....good on concrete, a bit weird on granite....and I cannot claim to say they are durable because I skate curbs and I'm 135 lbs....so I've done little to test this.....the titanium does definitely take a lot longer to grind down.....

In theory...they are the last set of trucks for me....


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 29, 2014, 02:11:16 PM
Does anyone have an email address where I can get in touch with someone at ace?  I emailed ace customer service and they told me to contact the original retailer since I didn't buy it directly from diamond supply. I emailed the retailer and they told me no returns after 45 days. I'm fairly certain I've heard people on here talk about getting their bent or broken aces replaced so what gives? No guarantee after 45 days? that's horse shit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on May 29, 2014, 03:06:11 PM
Does anyone have an email address where I can get in touch with someone at ace?  I emailed ace customer service and they told me to contact the original retailer since I didn't buy it directly from diamond supply. I emailed the retailer and they told me no returns after 45 days. I'm fairly certain I've heard people on here talk about getting their bent or broken aces replaced so what gives? No guarantee after 45 days? that's horse shit

Try writing Joey directly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on May 29, 2014, 04:34:20 PM
indy would have replaced them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: phatwheelz on May 29, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
ugh I know
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on June 04, 2014, 05:00:13 PM
I love these trucks so damn much. They flop side to side instead of a middle ground. Mine only go full left, full right, or a delicate balance in center, I like that. Both for grinding and simply riding. Sitting on a crooked grind with these trucks is a magical sensation.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I Can't Think on June 12, 2014, 01:38:09 PM
Question about these trucks. When you do nose/tail slides do the wheels contact with the ledge first, or the baseplate? When I had thunders the wheels always touched and it made longer noseslides a bitch at times, Indy's don't have this problem so I'm riding them right now but I really wanna try these out/.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on June 14, 2014, 10:16:48 AM
If your wheels keep catching on tail/noseslides it aint your trucks that are the problem
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cold Pizza on June 14, 2014, 09:57:03 PM
If your wheels keep catching on tail/noseslides it aint your trucks that are the problem

he's actually spot on.  match a thunder and independent (or almost any other truck company) at the baseplate holes and compare how much meat of the baseplate sticks out where you'd catch on a noseslide/tailslide.  your wheels rub a lot less on noseslide/tailslides if you got some baseplate to grind on first.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yungthug on June 17, 2014, 01:28:58 PM
I am running a pair of Aces that are really solid. I just had to replace the bushings with my old Indy ones and they work great. No complaints.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Niko Katavainen on June 22, 2014, 02:00:38 PM
I ride 8.5 to 8.75, been on indys for pretty long now and want to try Aces should I get 44s or 55s? Do the 55s stick out alot on a 8.5?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Young Satchel on June 24, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
I'm on an 8.5 w 44s and double inside washers right now. Feels pretty good, but I've been riding between 8.25 and 8.5s. If I were you might go with 55s since your a bracket up in terms of deck size range. But it's all personal preference at days end. I just wish I could get the pivot cups to shut up. Tried all the suggestions offered in this thread but still loud as fuck. Might just get some after markets
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Niko Katavainen on June 24, 2014, 12:54:24 PM
I'm on an 8.5 w 44s and double inside washers right now. Feels pretty good, but I've been riding between 8.25 and 8.5s. If I were you might go with 55s since your a bracket up in terms of deck size range. But it's all personal preference at days end. I just wish I could get the pivot cups to shut up. Tried all the suggestions offered in this thread but still loud as fuck. Might just get some after markets

Got the 55s, they dont stick out almost at all on an 8.5
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on July 04, 2014, 07:10:35 PM
Just bought the 33's for my 8.125! I'm coming from thunder 147 lows, and they are my first trucks ever that arent lows. I feel like i'm riding a skyscrapper, but i love the sharp turning they have (and no more godawful wheelbite)! I'm just hoping they dont fuck my flip tricks too much and i have yet to grind in them...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ACE TRUCKS on July 31, 2014, 12:00:05 PM
ACE WARRANTY info; [email protected]

You will be asked to send your trucks in along with a letter that has your return shipping address.

ACE c/o Warranty
1710 Cordova Street
Los Angeles, CA 90007

Easy as that.

*no walk-ins.

THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT

-ACE-
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on July 31, 2014, 12:13:33 PM
Recently started skating a set of 44's and they are fantastic. No complaints here, they turn much better than indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on July 31, 2014, 12:17:40 PM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: violentpizza on July 31, 2014, 12:20:47 PM
I had to replace the pivot cups on my aces. But since that's not really a big deal if doesn't matter to me. I've had the same aces for two years and I haven't had axel slippage or anything like with indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sleepypancakes on July 31, 2014, 12:47:07 PM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
I've had pivot cups get fucked up on thunders and indys in the past as well. It just happens. That's the only issue I've ever had with Aces. And I just buy some khiros and throw them into each new set and I'm set for the life of the trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: formeitscrazylike on July 31, 2014, 06:17:41 PM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
I've had pivot cups get fucked up on thunders and indys in the past as well. It just happens. That's the only issue I've ever had with Aces. And I just buy some khiros and throw them into each new set and I'm set for the life of the trucks.

After some google research it says they come in hard and soft, which did you get, why, and how are they?

And while Aces do need quite a bit of after-market lovin, once you replace the bushings, the pivot cups only need to be replaced every 8-12 months and they're fucking awesome. I'll be skating Aces til the end of time if possible. The absolute worst shit I ever lost was my broken in Aces, I'll never get another crooked-grind groove like that again  :-\

EDIT:
Holy shit just realized that I started this thread, 0 recollection of that
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sleepypancakes on July 31, 2014, 06:34:41 PM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.
I've had pivot cups get fucked up on thunders and indys in the past as well. It just happens. That's the only issue I've ever had with Aces. And I just buy some khiros and throw them into each new set and I'm set for the life of the trucks.

After some google research it says they come in hard and soft, which did you get, why, and how are they?

And while Aces do need quite a bit of after-market lovin, once you replace the bushings, the pivot cups only need to be replaced every 8-12 months and they're fucking awesome. I'll be skating Aces til the end of time if possible. The absolute worst shit I ever lost was my broken in Aces, I'll never get another crooked-grind groove like that again  :-\

EDIT:
Holy shit just realized that I started this thread, 0 recollection of that
I've always had the soft ones, they just feel at least a little bit more natural than the hard ones. Less break in time I guess, I'm sure I sacrifice some durability with the differences in rubber, but overall I'm ok with it. Pivot cups are cheap anyway
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on July 31, 2014, 07:38:54 PM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.

I've been on 149 Indy's for a number of years now. I have never had a set that didn't quickly get pivot cup blowouts or have a kingpin break. When I get them as loose as I like, the kingpin nut falls off by itself. So I figured I'd try out Aces, due to the good reviews from people on here (also I'm keen to try out anything Matt Rodriguez is backing). So far I'm really stoked on them. They turn very easily, I haven't had to tighten either kingpin, and they're a little more lightweight. Also with more metal in the center of the hangar, they'll last a little longer if all goes well. I have the magnesium baseplates for backup in case something does go wrong with them or if they just get worn out. I couldn't give half of a shit if they're made in China, it's just aluminum.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jive Turkey on August 01, 2014, 12:28:45 AM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.

I've been on 149 Indy's for a number of years now. I have never had a set that didn't quickly get pivot cup blowouts or have a kingpin break. When I get them as loose as I like, the kingpin nut falls off by itself. So I figured I'd try out Aces, due to the good reviews from people on here (also I'm keen to try out anything Matt Rodriguez is backing). So far I'm really stoked on them. They turn very easily, I haven't had to tighten either kingpin, and they're a little more lightweight. Also with more metal in the center of the hangar, they'll last a little longer if all goes well. I have the magnesium baseplates for backup in case something does go wrong with them or if they just get worn out. I couldn't give half of a shit if they're made in China, it's just aluminum.
I've had pretty much the same experience. I'm now on my second pair of 44s and I've never had a problem. I will echo that the stock bushings are crap. Regardless I always swap them out for bones hard so it doesn't really matter.

I haven't personally used the magnesium baseplates but my friend is using them now and they really make your trucks lighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2014, 10:21:11 AM
the mag plates are nice but very expensive, almost the cost of another pair of trucks!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweat stains on August 05, 2014, 12:08:26 PM
After skating some 44s for almost 6 months I'm pretty ready to go back to Indys. In my opinion, Aces are really fun to skate around, but when it comes down to doing tricks, it makes them a lot harder. It's because the turning is almost too good. Don't get me wrong, I love loose trucks, when I skate Indys my trucks are barely hanging on, but Aces seem to turn all the way to wheelbite just from the slightest movement. I set up Indys on another setup that I have, and they feel a lot better. I can see why people like Aces though, and I will definitely end up setting them up on a cruiser board in the future. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
After skating some 44s for almost 6 months I'm pretty ready to go back to Indys. In my opinion, Aces are really fun to skate around, but when it comes down to doing tricks, it makes them a lot harder. It's because the turning is almost too good. Don't get me wrong, I love loose trucks, when I skate Indys my trucks are barely hanging on, but Aces seem to turn all the way to wheelbite just from the slightest movement. I set up Indys on another setup that I have, and they feel a lot better. I can see why people like Aces though, and I will definitely end up setting them up on a cruiser board in the future. Just my two cents.

I love to hate them, so much that it's forced my to buy multiple sets of trucks! In pools/bowls they are untouchable. I'm not good trick-wise in bowls (I'm afraid of heights, seriously it totally fucks with me) so I just carve, grind and go for speed and no other truck allows me to carve like ACE; I also use them on my cruiser setups with soft bushings.

All that being said, I totally agree with you in regards to tricks on street, I ride loose and ACE+Loose are squirrly, takes getting used to. I just sold off my thunder 149IIs and my theeves, sticking just ACEs from now on.

I also get Khiro softs pivot cups for ANY truck as stock cups all suck most just don't know it. Khiro softs are amazing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IanBZHD on August 06, 2014, 11:11:35 AM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.

I'm not gonna lie i've wanted to make the switch for a little bit now, but i think i like the heaviness of my board with indy's. It feels sturdy, while i feel like aces will just make me squirrely. I suppose im just not on that loose-ness level that some of you are at with your trucks, and i feel like i ride my indy's on the looser side without the bolt falling off.  Also, i just started getting this lovely crook indent recently, nothing better then that deep crook groove!

I've been on 149 Indy's for a number of years now. I have never had a set that didn't quickly get pivot cup blowouts or have a kingpin break. When I get them as loose as I like, the kingpin nut falls off by itself. So I figured I'd try out Aces, due to the good reviews from people on here (also I'm keen to try out anything Matt Rodriguez is backing). So far I'm really stoked on them. They turn very easily, I haven't had to tighten either kingpin, and they're a little more lightweight. Also with more metal in the center of the hangar, they'll last a little longer if all goes well. I have the magnesium baseplates for backup in case something does go wrong with them or if they just get worn out. I couldn't give half of a shit if they're made in China, it's just aluminum.
I've had pretty much the same experience. I'm now on my second pair of 44s and I've never had a problem. I will echo that the stock bushings are crap. Regardless I always swap them out for bones hard so it doesn't really matter.

I haven't personally used the magnesium baseplates but my friend is using them now and they really make your trucks lighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 09, 2014, 06:26:10 PM
Another benefit to ACE is they are light without the need for hollow anything! They've a very svelt design.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on August 09, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pandarelated on August 10, 2014, 02:29:42 AM
Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!

well Ace isn't new.. older then theeve

but does anyone own a scale?

ace 44s are actually a bit heavier then indy 149s..
not much. but they are not lighter unless you have the mag plates.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: howdoiinto on August 10, 2014, 07:10:41 AM
So would you guys say Aces are any good for street skating? I love loose trucks but I also skate a lot of flatground and rails.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 10, 2014, 08:00:11 AM
So would you guys say Aces are any good for street skating? I love loose trucks but I also skate a lot of flatground and rails.

Yes. I don't skate transition and I love them. If you're still skeptical, just watch this:

adidas Skateboarding Raul Navarro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM5nIdtu-_I#)

You can see that he's skating them in a lot of clips.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: howdoiinto on August 10, 2014, 09:29:23 AM
So would you guys say Aces are any good for street skating? I love loose trucks but I also skate a lot of flatground and rails.

Yes. I don't skate transition and I love them. If you're still skeptical, just watch this:

adidas Skateboarding Raul Navarro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM5nIdtu-_I#)

You can see that he's skating them in a lot of clips.

Damn, he rips! I'll definitely pick up some 44s for my next setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on August 10, 2014, 09:59:37 AM
It's crazy to me so many people back Ace even though it seems they have a problem with pivot cup blow outs, bushings, and axels. I feel like there is so much after-market care that's unnecessary with Indy's and Thunders.

I'm riding 149 Indy's and they feel great from switching from Thunder 149's. The extra height from the thunders made wheel bite not so bad. And I can get them plenty loose with no problems.

Ace: Made in China. All I'm saying.

NHS shipped all of their manufacturing to China, currently the hanger and baseplates on normal Indy are made in the USA, but axle, kingpins, nuts, bushings etc.. are all Chinese. I wouldn't be shocked if that all moves to China soon. Diamond (Ace owners) make all their clothing in the USA, so I guess it balances out both companies have some stuff made in the both countries, though Diamond makes their money mostly from clothes made in the USA.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on August 10, 2014, 10:16:14 AM
Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!

well Ace isn't new.. older then theeve

but does anyone own a scale?

ace 44s are actually a bit heavier then indy 149s..
not much. but they are not lighter unless you have the mag plates.

Ace are lighter except for the hollow Indy's Please show me a photo of Indy's (not hollow) and Ace on a scale.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2014, 10:21:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nW5vjvV3g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nW5vjvV3g)

This dude's killing on ACEs for street (sorry wrong link before).

With the Stage 11, Indy finally caught up to ACE (and everyone else for that matter), lowered kingpin to prevent hangups, centered kinpin in the yoke (to prevent washer binding), weight reduction, blach blah. ACE was doing this 5+ years ago. Aces also have the precision/machined hangers so no need for an inside speed washer and extra meat on the hanger. Now that they don't bend anymore, no reason to avoid them unless you are a 'ride the best fuck the rest' zealot ;)

Go ride your heavy indy's if you like'em, problem solved, for those that give a shit, stock ACE 44s are about 30grams lighter than stock indy 149s, a better comparison would be the ACE 55s as they are wider.

Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!

The reinforcement is UNDER the hanger, around the yoke/pivot on ACEs - indy's/theeve are beefy as fuck compared to ACE or Thunder on the back of the hanger. they all have the same diameter of material around the axles for the most part (Ace with a bit more in the middle). Perhaps if you have ridden a pair or compared them in person, on your own board, you'd know....I'm guessing you haven't..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: eSHkidd on August 10, 2014, 10:28:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw)

This dude's killing on ACEs for street.

Go ride your indy's if you like'em, problem solved!

What are you talking about, the 6-7 times i was able to see his trucks they were literally Indy every time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 10, 2014, 10:42:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-liv2HaONxw)

This dude's killing on ACEs for street.

Go ride your indy's if you like'em, problem solved!

What are you talking about, the 6-7 times i was able to see his trucks they were literally Indy every time.

Easy there brosef, I linked to the wrong video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nW5vjvV3g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nW5vjvV3g)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on August 10, 2014, 10:55:59 AM
I've never ridden aces, the bending put me off. People swear by them though, I've just got too many Indy shirts to switch...

And I know that was a dig at the "ride the best..." But come on, these #loosetruckssavelives dudes are just as bad. Rides Ace, hates diamond.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 10, 2014, 11:07:52 AM
upon closer examination, mine are bent. both trucks. I've probably skated them for one month. Not sure why i didn't notice until now, probably because the wheels are reverse coned and have flattened out to how the trucks are bent. sending them back asap.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on August 10, 2014, 11:30:37 AM
I've never ridden aces, the bending put me off. People swear by them though, I've just got too many Indy shirts to switch...

And I know that was a dig at the "ride the best..." But come on, these #loosetruckssavelives dudes are just as bad. Rides Ace, hates diamond.

upon closer examination, mine are bent. both trucks. I've probably skated them for one month. Not sure why i didn't notice until now, probably because the wheels are reverse coned and have flattened out to how the trucks are bent. sending them back asap.

Do people who think their trucks are bent know that they put more metal in the middle of the truck which makes it look bent when the actual axle is straight? I've seen people complain about it and then when they found out and checked the actual axle they realized it wasnt bent...

And why wouldnt you be able to not back diamond but like ace? Theyre just distributet by them.

I had to leave my board with aces in australia while traveling cause I didnt have room and now im riding indys... Once you try ace you get hooked on the turn and every other truck feels like riding a fucking door. Can't wait to get new ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 10, 2014, 11:33:25 AM
I've never ridden aces, the bending put me off. People swear by them though, I've just got too many Indy shirts to switch...

And I know that was a dig at the "ride the best..." But come on, these #loosetruckssavelives dudes are just as bad. Rides Ace, hates diamond.

upon closer examination, mine are bent. both trucks. I've probably skated them for one month. Not sure why i didn't notice until now, probably because the wheels are reverse coned and have flattened out to how the trucks are bent. sending them back asap.

Do people who think their trucks are bent know that they put more metal in the middle of the truck which makes it look bent when the actual axle is straight? I've seen people complain about it and then when they found out and checked the actual axle they realized it wasnt bent...

No, I'm well aware that there is more metal in the middle of the hanger. I took off both wheels and the axle is clearly bent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on August 10, 2014, 11:59:03 AM
And why wouldnt you be able to not back diamond but like ace? Theyre just distributet by them.
Dude...
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/thumb_29998_AceTrucksWingsStickerTn.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on August 11, 2014, 08:34:41 AM
And why wouldnt you be able to not back diamond but like ace? Theyre just distributet by them.
Dude...
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/thumb_29998_AceTrucksWingsStickerTn.jpg)

Yeah you're right, they do kinda interfere.

Although Nick Tershay (owner of Diamond) and Joey Tershay (owner of Ace) are brothers, so you can't really blame Joey for having Ace distributed through your brother who runs a super successful clothing brand. It's not like it's Monster Energy either. Ace as a brand is cool, as long as they keep it that way, I'm down.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on August 13, 2014, 11:28:33 AM
Ace is owned by Diamond.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GoodBurger on August 13, 2014, 08:58:11 PM
diamond only became terrible when wiz kalifa and his swag fag followers decided it was "cool"... before that they just kinda sucked
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on August 13, 2014, 09:23:20 PM
Would be really surprised if Ace is still around 5 years from today. How can you compete with Indy? OH YEAH ENFORCE THE GIMMICH THAT LIGHT TRUCKS ARE SOMEHOW BETTER.

There is no way everyday skaters can trust those twigs they call skate trucks, lookin like you're grinding down to the axle after a week!

well Ace isn't new.. older then theeve

but does anyone own a scale?

ace 44s are actually a bit heavier then indy 149s..
not much. but they are not lighter unless you have the mag plates.
Indys are the heaviest most bulletproof trucks on the market, just look at them they burly
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 18, 2014, 08:17:42 PM
Ace trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on August 18, 2014, 08:34:31 PM
Ace trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.
Stoked you got a new set of trucks gunna bend. Never worth the hassle of warranty or product get indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on August 18, 2014, 09:07:12 PM
Ace trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.
Stoked you got a new set of trucks gunna bend. Never worth the hassle of warranty or product get indys

I've had defective Indys before so I'm not worried about it. Aces turn better and stay more stable for me so they're just what i need.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Harsh_euro_barge on September 23, 2014, 08:22:52 AM
Picked up my first set of ace's today, 33's. A lot more stable than I expected, and the turn is insane. Currently set em up with bones mediums and no bottom washer. How have others set em up to get the best out of them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Young Satchel on September 23, 2014, 03:32:28 PM
Picked up my first set of ace's today, 33's. A lot more stable than I expected, and the turn is insane. Currently set em up with bones mediums and no bottom washer. How have others set em up to get the best out of them?

Had 44s with mediums in them and just one washer and had to crank them way down or I got terrible wheel bite. Added another washer and now they are golden. Can run them looser with way less wheel bite and more control.  I think I'll stick with this for a while.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: foureyedjim on September 23, 2014, 04:10:08 PM
I put hards on my aces.  I'll see how they work out once I break them in...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 25, 2014, 12:22:26 PM
Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on September 25, 2014, 12:29:42 PM
Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axel slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axel slipping? (i live in europe)

send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jorge on September 25, 2014, 12:39:06 PM
Do these trucks even exist for adults?  I have never in my life seen anyone over 16 riding them in person.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on September 25, 2014, 01:15:30 PM
Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)

send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.

Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy,  everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on September 25, 2014, 01:17:50 PM
does anyone have a problem with their kingpin being super wobbly? Did you ever eat shit because of it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 25, 2014, 03:20:49 PM
My local park, is filled with ACE riders of all ages.

I'm riding bones meds with the bottom and top washer with no issues.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on September 25, 2014, 08:04:05 PM
Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)

send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.

Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy,  everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)

Mine were the 44's and they bent 4 times in a row. The most recent set bent after skating them 4 times. I got a replacement set in the mail today that did not have straight axles. I went straight to the local shop and bought some Indy 149's. Fuck Ace trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on September 26, 2014, 12:55:22 AM
Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)

send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.

Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy,  everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)

Mine were the 44's and they bent 4 times in a row. The most recent set bent after skating them 4 times. I got a replacement set in the mail today that did not have straight axles. I went straight to the local shop and bought some Indy 149's. Fuck Ace trucks.

Are you sure the axle was actually bent though? You know they make them with more mass in the middle than the sides, right? They look bent but the axle inside is straight. I wonder how many customers they've lost because of that construction...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on September 26, 2014, 05:03:01 AM
Today i was skating this new deck, all hyped because the shape is perfect, do a kickflip in flat, flick a little slower, land primo and the fucking axle slipped so badly on my front truck that the wheel wouldn't even spin! Man, i was so bummed...  :'( The ACE's have 2 months and still in really good condition because i havent had much time to skate. Is this normal to happen? Do they have some kind of warranty for this axle slipping? (i live in europe)

send an email to [email protected] they replace my trucks free of charge every time. Speaking of, I've bent 4 sets in a row. The trucks feel so damn good, but the axles bend and it reverse cones your wheels. it's ridiculous. I just want a set that has straight axles and won't bend.

Mine are the 33 and didn't bent... I think they are the closest to the perfect truck. They aren't heavy, look clean, turn so good, not heavy,  everything i look in a truck they have... But something like the axle slip is so annoying and so easy to prevent. They should make a axle with some kind of ridges or a little larger center so they dont move anymore! I will try to contact them and see if they can ship a new pair to Portugal (i think not)

Mine were the 44's and they bent 4 times in a row. The most recent set bent after skating them 4 times. I got a replacement set in the mail today that did not have straight axles. I went straight to the local shop and bought some Indy 149's. Fuck Ace trucks.

Are you sure the axle was actually bent though? You know they make them with more mass in the middle than the sides, right? They look bent but the axle inside is straight. I wonder how many customers they've lost because of that construction...

I'm well aware of them having more metal in the middle and the axles definitely are not straight. You can hold up one end of the axle vertically and see that the other end curves off the other direction.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on September 26, 2014, 08:02:26 AM
Ah damn, I hear you. I just wanted to air that out so that someone reading it will know and not just disregard them right away.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on September 26, 2014, 12:27:48 PM
Ah damn, I hear you. I just wanted to air that out so that someone reading it will know and not just disregard them right away.

yeah, i feel you. The trucks skate super well, I'd be riding them right now if they didn't bend. But having bent 4 sets VERY quickly, and then received a replacement set that didn't have straight axles, I would never support them again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 26, 2014, 12:58:23 PM
I really wonder why other than cost Ace doesn't do anything to fix this.  I'd like to try them but there's no way after reading countless threads over the last 4 or 5 years that all have the same issues.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on September 27, 2014, 02:57:19 AM
Ah damn, I hear you. I just wanted to air that out so that someone reading it will know and not just disregard them right away.

yeah, i feel you. The trucks skate super well, I'd be riding them right now if they didn't bend. But having bent 4 sets VERY quickly, and then received a replacement set that didn't have straight axles, I would never support them again.

Thats understandable. I didn't know that was a common issue, they better fix that. I hope they dont remake the shape like theeves did and ruin them. I'd be down to spend 10$ extra if they made one with titanium axle, that should solve it. It doesn't really explain how you got a new set with the axle already bent though...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 27, 2014, 11:59:05 AM
Have been interested in trying Aces for the longest time. But after hearing about all the bent axle issues I think I'll pass until they get it fixed. I'm a dude who is on the chunkier side these days, so a bent axle with Aces are probably a guarantee to happen to me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on September 27, 2014, 06:16:55 PM
Ace trucks warranty came through for me today. I sent in my bent trucks last monday, got a box today with new trucks, tons of stickers, and even some recplacement bushings and pivot cups.
Stoked you got a new set of trucks gunna bend. Never worth the hassle of warranty or product get indys

I've had defective Indys before so I'm not worried about it. Aces turn better and stay more stable for me so they're just what i need.
You had 1 set of defective indys, and 4 sets of defective Aces...

If there's one thing you look for in trucks it's quality, I want bulletproof trucks I never have to worry about. Indy is that. Better turning you say, even if it's quicker it's not worth it.  Don't waste your time there is one truck it's Indy
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on September 28, 2014, 09:15:08 PM
I have skated Ace in 33, 44, 55 and 66 and never bent them. I mostly skate the 44 or 55's, I ground one set to the axle on both trucks, and about to hit axle on another pair. I have yet to bend them, the worst I have had happen is the pivot cup blew out (easy to replace) and the axle slipped after a year of skating.
I don't know how people keep bending them, it baffles me as I am not a skinny dude and I do a lot of slappies, so you would think I would have bent at least one pair in the 6 years I have been riding them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: fulfillthedream on September 28, 2014, 10:53:31 PM
damn.. it seems like im not the only one who had the accel slip..its cool they're down to replace the trucks but damn it seems like so many people on here like the product but not the quality... and trucks are the worse thing on a set-up to replace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on October 01, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
damn.. it seems like im not the only one who had the accel slip..its cool they're down to replace the trucks but damn it seems like so many people on here like the product but not the quality... and trucks are the worse thing on a set-up to replace.

My neighbors Indy axle slipped 5 mins after he set them up, the crazy thing was his board landed primo (not even with him on it) off a curb.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ACE TRUCKS on October 02, 2014, 09:46:28 AM
Hello again, this is ACE TRUCKS.

As stated we always replace returned trucks, contact [email protected]

We will continue to improve our products.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 02, 2014, 10:09:02 AM
Hello again, this is ACE TRUCKS.

As stated we always replace returned trucks, contact [email protected]

We will continue to improve our products.

It's awesome that you guys stand by your product and make it right with the customer when there are issues but I really hope to see an overhaul of the trucks at some point.  I think ACE are the best looking trucks on the market and people love them.  It seems with a few minor tweaks they could be improved even further
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JB on October 02, 2014, 11:18:04 AM
sorry for the noob question, but how exactly do you know when your axle slips? can you move it freely back and forth? mine doesnt move freely, but i just noticed that my heel side wheels have no wobble room between the truck and the axle nut, but my toe side have a ton of room. the nuts on both side are tightened exactly the same amount. i do a lot of backside slappies (regular footed), so it would make sense that the axles would get pulled toward the toe side from locking into grinds. i just noticed it and it hasnt bothered me yet. next time i skate ill just loosen and tighten the axle nuts so everything is even again. i just found it weird that one side had a bunch more wobble room than the other.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 02, 2014, 11:51:08 AM
sorry for the noob question, but how exactly do you know when your axle slips? can you move it freely back and forth? mine doesnt move freely, but i just noticed that my heel side wheels have no wobble room between the truck and the axle nut, but my toe side have a ton of room. the nuts on both side are tightened exactly the same amount. i do a lot of backside slappies (regular footed), so it would make sense that the axles would get pulled toward the toe side from locking into grinds. i just noticed it and it hasnt bothered me yet. next time i skate ill just loosen and tighten the axle nuts so everything is even again. i just found it weird that one side had a bunch more wobble room than the other.

Exactly that.  Tighten them both down equally.  Go skate and if one wheel ends up being tight and not spinning and the wheel on the other side has a ton of play, you have axle slip
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: violentpizza on October 02, 2014, 01:57:50 PM
I'm almost to the axle on some Ace 44's and I have never had a problem besides that damn pivot cup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 02, 2014, 02:32:37 PM
I'm almost to the axle on some Ace 44's and I have never had a problem besides that damn pivot cup.

I'm sure this is common knowledge around here but I suggest replacing it with a Khiro pivot cup.  http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3600 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3600)

They're a lot higher quality than any stock pivot cup except for Theeves which are also Khiro
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: foureyedjim on October 02, 2014, 04:12:04 PM
I'm almost to the axle on some Ace 44's and I have never had a problem besides that damn pivot cup.

seriously...what after market pivot cup should I get for these fuckers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on October 02, 2014, 04:40:36 PM
damn.. it seems like im not the only one who had the accel slip..its cool they're down to replace the trucks but damn it seems like so many people on here like the product but not the quality... and trucks are the worse thing on a set-up to replace.
If it's your axle that slipped, only replace the hangar. Baseplates, bushings, even nuts, use the old ones. I'm still riding the same baseplate from 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 04, 2014, 03:29:42 AM
They answered my mail, and they are willing to replace my trucks but they want me to send a package with them to the states... I live in Portugal so the cost of the shipping is not worth it, and it will take lots of time to arrive (i don't have other trucks to skate in that time)! I was expecting something like a representant in Europe to trade them or something... I told the my skateshop about the defect and they told me the spanish distributor will exchange my trucks for new ones... now i just have to wait! :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ALZ on October 09, 2014, 09:25:12 AM
Thinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: eSHkidd on October 09, 2014, 09:28:45 AM
Thinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?

Yes. Had a friend who had 44s on an 8.1, looked 100% normal. 44's are arguably smaller than an 8.5 truck, their hangar width is smaller than indy 149s. I prefer trucks to be a tad wider than the board. And, the difference will hardly be noticable, you might see half a nut or two on the side.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 09, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
I've ridden ACE 44s on:

8.18
8.25
8.38
8.5

By far, (for me) 8.25/8.38 are perfect fits for ACE 44s. They felt and looked small to me on an 8.5 (and ACE 55s feel too big).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Harsh_euro_barge on October 09, 2014, 09:59:12 AM
Thinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?

I ran 33's with a washer on the inside on a 8.125. Personally I think 44's would be too big, but I can't stand seeing any nut sticking out the side of my board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 09, 2014, 11:53:30 AM
Thinking of trying a pair of ACE trucks on a 8.125. Would a pair of the 44's work alright on it?

I ran 33's with a washer on the inside on a 8.125. Personally I think 44's would be too big, but I can't stand seeing any nut sticking out the side of my board.

This... but i put 2 washers!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nanda Zinger on October 09, 2014, 12:26:15 PM
My ace trucks were pretty much awful. Can't believe how many people are praising the stability on this thread. i ride super loose trucks, but my ace were the opposite of stable. i can get the same turn radius with indys yet still set up for flip tricks without flip flopping to wheel bite right away. Also the axles slipped, bent and hanger cracked. And put em on a scale and compare to indys, youd be surprised that the slim silhouette of ace trucks actually weighs more than the equivalent size of indys.  I did contact joey tershay and he was super cool about replacing them which is sick, but i got too lazy to ship em out and bought some new indys down the street. Also, for the people saying they can't get indys loose enough without the nut falling off, sanding down the bushings is an easy solution.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on October 09, 2014, 12:27:54 PM
Personally I never liked the way they grind. Seemed a bit 'chalky' to me, as if the metal is softer compared to Indys/ Thunder.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spitfire4life on October 09, 2014, 03:28:11 PM
My ace trucks were pretty much awful. Can't believe how many people are praising the stability on this thread. i ride super loose trucks, but my ace were the opposite of stable. i can get the same turn radius with indys yet still set up for flip tricks without flip flopping to wheel bite right away. Also the axles slipped, bent and hanger cracked. And put em on a scale and compare to indys, youd be surprised that the slim silhouette of ace trucks actually weighs more than the equivalent size of indys.  I did contact joey tershay and he was super cool about replacing them which is sick, but i got too lazy to ship em out and bought some new indys down the street. Also, for the people saying they can't get indys loose enough without the nut falling off, sanding down the bushings is an easy solution.
Or take off the washer(s). That helped me for a while.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on October 10, 2014, 06:25:12 PM
I recently sent in defective sets #4 and #5, and they sent me back two new sets and a hat as compensation for all the trouble. Both sets of trucks did not have straight axles, just as set #5 that I sent back. So they just went in the trash. Fuck Ace trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pekkaaa on October 10, 2014, 06:47:55 PM
The only problem I had with mine is that both the pivot cups got crushed. Other than that I'm happy with em.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TehPwnzorer on October 10, 2014, 07:32:31 PM
I've got Ace 00 on my cruiser. By far the best turning I've had on such a small cruiser. I haven't tried out Independent 109 tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on October 13, 2014, 04:19:50 PM
If you want Chinese made trucks that turn like an Indy stage III and are super light- consider Krux...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on October 13, 2014, 04:43:56 PM
If you want Chinese made trucks that turn like an Indy stage III and are super light- consider Krux...

They're the next ones i wanna try, they have such a rad team and good looking trucks... Never seen somebody skating them here in Portugal though!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: foureyedjim on October 16, 2014, 12:58:43 AM
The only problem I had with mine is that both the pivot cups got crushed. Other than that I'm happy with em.
Same, its a problem that I can avoid only through skating looser trucks.  Not sure if there are any other methods, since I've tried multiple sets of pivot cups already.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pekkaaa on October 16, 2014, 03:17:53 AM
The only problem I had with mine is that both the pivot cups got crushed. Other than that I'm happy with em.
Same, its a problem that I can avoid only through skating looser trucks.  Not sure if there are any other methods, since I've tried multiple sets of pivot cups already.


I skate my trucks really loose, I thought that was why they cracked. However, I bought some indy cups and they seem to hold up fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yungthug on October 20, 2014, 08:38:34 AM
The baseplates are fucked up on mine.
(http://i.imgur.com/YpJogHP.jpg)
^ This one keeps going crooked no matter how many times I tighten it.
(http://i.imgur.com/FpJ7adx.jpg)
^ The back right hole is effectively useless now.
I've never had these problems with Indys. Looks like I know what I'm gonna be riding next...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on October 20, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
Stop bitching about the pivot cups. Get the magnesium baseplates and khiros and you'll be set forever
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Prince Nelson on October 20, 2014, 12:11:50 PM
Stop bitching about the pivot cups. Get the magnesium baseplates and khiros and you'll be set forever

unless the axles bend. seriously, you shouldn't have to do THAT much aftermarket care to make some trucks skateable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: dillanharp on October 20, 2014, 02:12:09 PM
These may as well be Trackers with plastic base plates to me now. Thanks. Staying away.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on October 21, 2014, 08:10:54 AM
Stop bitching about the pivot cups. Get the magnesium baseplates and khiros and you'll be set forever

unless the axles bend. seriously, you shouldn't have to do THAT much aftermarket care to make some trucks skateable.

Fair enough... They feel so good though. I've had a couple of pairs of aces with no problems at all, meanwhile I just got some new indys and got axle slippage after 3 days. Im still backing aces, but I understand that people are bummed if the axles are bending.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on September 09, 2015, 03:01:00 PM
anyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over?  hoverboardish?

i like my aces.  been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger.  considering going back to 149's

i know this is fascinating
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 09, 2015, 03:08:57 PM
anyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over?  hoverboardish?

i like my aces.  been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger.  considering going back to 149's

i know this is fascinating

The Ace 44 axle is exactly 8.38

The popsicle in this pic is an 8.5 w/ Ace 44's

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/e15/11203366_359093417633317_978293342_n.jpg)

Ace 55's for anything over 8.5
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on September 09, 2015, 03:10:12 PM
huh.  i always thought the axel was 8.25

thanks.  that looks good to me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Clang on September 09, 2015, 04:11:29 PM
I like my aces, turn perfect, grind almost the same as indy's, only problem is the pivot cups. I have used three pivot cups on one baseplate within the two months I have skated them. I have discovered that the hole for the pivot cup is not a true circle, which is probably why I burn through them so often.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrenchFuck on September 09, 2015, 05:31:15 PM
only problem is the pivot cups

Same thing here, I had to switch out the pivot cups three times until they stopped shimmying out of the slot. Other than that I've never had any trouble
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 11, 2015, 08:02:30 AM
Anyone who bitches about ACEs being floppy should stop using conical and/or soft bushings. If you use the stock bushings or bones hard (bottoms) you won't have that issue and you will still be able to turn better than anything out there.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coconut Lotion on November 01, 2015, 04:26:46 PM
anyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over?  hoverboardish?

i like my aces.  been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger.  considering going back to 149's

i know this is fascinating

The Ace 44 axle is exactly 8.38

The popsicle in this pic is an 8.5 w/ Ace 44's

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/e15/11203366_359093417633317_978293342_n.jpg)

Ace 55's for anything over 8.5

Anyone know how the 33's measure precisely from tip to tip?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 01, 2015, 05:47:56 PM
anyone ridden 44's with an 8.38 or over?  hoverboardish?

i like my aces.  been riding 44's with an 8.25 for a while which seems perfect, but kind of want to go a bit bigger.  considering going back to 149's

i know this is fascinating

The Ace 44 axle is exactly 8.38

The popsicle in this pic is an 8.5 w/ Ace 44's

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xta1/t51.2885-15/e15/11203366_359093417633317_978293342_n.jpg)

Ace 55's for anything over 8.5

Anyone know how the 33's measure precisely from tip to tip?

8 inches
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on November 01, 2015, 08:41:33 PM
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coconut Lotion on November 02, 2015, 03:24:27 AM
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements

The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 02, 2015, 05:00:44 PM
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements

The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market

then why do they all bend?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 02, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements

The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market

then why do they all bend?
They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 02, 2015, 09:28:17 PM
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements

The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market

then why do they all bend?
They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.

Yes, the curved shape of the hanger has been discussed many times. But I have not had a set of Aces that didn't bend within the first month of skating them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coconut Lotion on November 03, 2015, 01:55:57 AM
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements

The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market

then why do they all bend?
They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.

Yes, the curved shape of the hanger has been discussed many times. But I have not had a set of Aces that didn't bend within the first month of skating them.

How much you weigh homie damn
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 03, 2015, 05:59:23 PM
The one thing I hate is how goddamn ugly Aces are. It's tough to make a truck ugly but they look anorexic, I wouldn't even trust myself ollieing a 9 with those things! Man, also lose the sizing system, 22-33-44-55 GTFO and use real measurements

The actual axle is thicker than pretty much every other truck on the market

then why do they all bend?
They're made to look bent because they add more metal to the part that you'll most likely use up.

Yes, the curved shape of the hanger has been discussed many times. But I have not had a set of Aces that didn't bend within the first month of skating them.

How much you weigh homie damn

155 pounds. Never bent any Indys or Thunders!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on November 11, 2015, 03:32:31 PM
FYI - Ace beefed up the hangers on their 44/55/66 models

https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Microforrest on November 11, 2015, 05:40:31 PM
FYI - Ace beefed up the hangers on their 44/55/66 models

https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/)
These look awesome, gonna have to get another pair of ace's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 11, 2015, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: Microforrest  link=topic=48056.msg2403454#msg2403454 date=1447292431
FYI - Ace beefed up the hangers on their 44/55/66 models

https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/99mf9cRPVI/)
These look awesome, gonna have to get another pair of ace's.

Perfect excuse to try another set. They would be great if they didn't bend. Hopefully this fixes the problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 11, 2015, 07:57:49 PM
Interesting. Might be time to try a set...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hannity on November 12, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
Personally I never liked the way they grind. Seemed a bit 'chalky' to me, as if the metal is softer compared to Indys/ Thunder.
this. they feel like soft aluminum. and my axles bent, as well. probably not worth it to replace them...unless i could get a replacement pair and then swap them for indys at the shop
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on November 17, 2015, 04:08:04 PM
my Ace trucks are so squeaky that i'm considering going back to Indy, just because of that. 

i replaced my pivot cups before, after they blew out.  i've put wax in there and other shit.  it's to the point that it's bugging the shit out of me and i'm ready to get new trucks just because of it. 

i admit i'm highly sensitive to sounds.  and know that all trucks squeak to some degree, but these are absurd

any one else have this problem?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on November 17, 2015, 05:27:18 PM
my Ace trucks are so squeaky that i'm considering going back to Indy, just because of that. 

i replaced my pivot cups before, after they blew out.  i've put wax in there and other shit.  it's to the point that it's bugging the shit out of me and i'm ready to get new trucks just because of it. 

i admit i'm highly sensitive to sounds.  and know that all trucks squeak to some degree, but these are absurd

any one else have this problem?

I've always had that problem, no matter what brand. I love my current set of ACE (44) but I think I will also go back to indy or simply because the turning feels a bit too sharp, wich is perfectly fine when riding a bowl, but it can be kinda tricky to not loose my balance when I'm doing manual tricks, and I do alot more of those than tranny.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 17, 2015, 06:52:17 PM
my Ace trucks are so squeaky that i'm considering going back to Indy, just because of that. 

i replaced my pivot cups before, after they blew out.  i've put wax in there and other shit.  it's to the point that it's bugging the shit out of me and i'm ready to get new trucks just because of it. 

i admit i'm highly sensitive to sounds.  and know that all trucks squeak to some degree, but these are absurd

any one else have this problem?
Every set of Indys I've had had squeaked so bad. It's to the point where I automatically replace pivot cups with hard, or plastic, pivot cups from the get. I can't stand the squeaking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on November 18, 2015, 10:38:01 AM
can you recommend pivot cups that don't squeak?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 18, 2015, 10:42:16 AM
can you recommend pivot cups that don't squeak?

I've been running hard Khiro's lately. If you go this route and order them, there are small and large sizes, you need smalls. I guess large are for longboard trucks, made that mistake.

Also the red shorty's pivot cups were pretty hard and did not squeak.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on November 18, 2015, 02:21:14 PM
can you recommend pivot cups that don't squeak?

Just put some soap in there and you'll be good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 19, 2015, 01:15:08 PM
Beefed up 44s for those that care,

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrenchFuck on November 20, 2015, 12:00:53 PM
Beefed up 44s

Ace coming through with the goods. These are gonna be my first post-winter pickup
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 22, 2015, 03:59:52 PM
Seems they widened the V where the pivot portion meets the hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on November 22, 2015, 05:42:27 PM
Interesting. Anybody has a picture showing the comparison between the new and old trucks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zdizzle on November 22, 2015, 06:42:12 PM
Beefed up 44s for those that care,

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
Damn I wonder how much heavier they are than the old ones. They look kinda like destructos now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on November 23, 2015, 04:00:35 AM
Interesting. Anybody has a picture showing the comparison between the new and old trucks?

You can see the differences pretty easily just doing this:

Old:
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_6901_Ace_SIlver_44_FLG.jpg)

New:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)

As Xen said, look how much wider the "V" supporting the hanger is.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 23, 2015, 08:41:01 AM
Looks like they got rid of the tapered hanger around the axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Tracer on November 23, 2015, 03:59:05 PM
Good updates, totally different product now. If Indy did this it might start a riot
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xtal on December 06, 2015, 03:19:19 PM
I ordered some 44's from socal skate shop on cyber Monday. Just looking at them and holding them in my hands makes me want to skate. No truck has ever done this to me. I skated a couple sets earlier this year and I was hooked. Never had problems with axle slip, bending, or pivot cups. I weight about 200lbs, always rode stock bushings and loose. The hanger just wore down a little faster than any other truck from what I can recall. The new redesign looks amazing and adds some heft it seems but I don't mind. As always...support your local skate shop but if they don't have them, socal and skate warehouse have all the new redesigns.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hannity on December 07, 2015, 08:23:17 AM
did they redesign the 33's? i have a pair with bent axles but haven't sent them in yet
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xtal on December 07, 2015, 10:04:29 AM
I think the redesign only applies to size 44 and up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 09, 2015, 08:53:52 AM
I think the redesign only applies to size 44 and up.

Correct. 44/55/66
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Coconut Lotion on December 09, 2015, 12:54:21 PM
Anyone have a clue if the new shape is/will be available in UK?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xtal on December 09, 2015, 02:31:28 PM
Anyone have a clue if the new shape is/will be available in UK?

No clue, I would email the man himself: [email protected]
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on December 10, 2015, 07:08:39 PM
Need to get some of the beefed up 55's!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on December 13, 2015, 02:10:22 AM
anywhere online i can get those re-modeled ace's? i checked out Socal's site but they still have the product pic of the old ones with the tapered  hanger part that goes into the pivot cup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xtal on December 13, 2015, 05:56:20 AM
anywhere online i can get those re-modeled ace's? i checked out Socal's site but they still have the product pic of the old ones with the tapered  hanger part that goes into the pivot cup.

Most online websites don't update their pictures very often. Socal and Skatewarehouse have all the new redesigns for 44 55 and 66. I've emailed and called to confirm it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 13, 2016, 08:55:56 AM
I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 13, 2016, 03:46:39 PM
I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....

It's really difficult to explain, isn't it?

What bushing did you run again? Krux/somethingsemthign?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on May 13, 2016, 03:49:13 PM
I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....
I can still get down on my Thunder 149s But I definitely know what you're saying. The ace turn makes me wet AF.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 13, 2016, 04:49:25 PM
I feel like its time to give fair warning. If you are remotely satisfied with your current truck of choice it might be best to stick with them as once you try Ace there's no turning back (excuse the pun). I tried going back to my beloved 151s and it just ain't happening. Even though, I believe Indy/ Thunder are longer lasting and still great trucks, I have to have that Ace turn....

It's really difficult to explain, isn't it?

What bushing did you run again? Krux/somethingsemthign?

stock bottom. krux top.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MonistatOne on May 13, 2016, 05:23:56 PM
just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good.  they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models.  keeping stock bushings.  just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on May 13, 2016, 06:08:23 PM
just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good.  they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models.  keeping stock bushings.  just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.
The stock bushings take a bit to break in. Putting krux bushings in them make them suuper buttery though. I haven't had problems with the pivot cups yet but pretty much everyone says they blow out pretty quick so it might be good to have a spare set ready to roll.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 13, 2016, 11:11:09 PM
just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good.  they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models.  keeping stock bushings.  just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.

If they turn better than Indy....then what other truck turns better? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on May 13, 2016, 11:48:24 PM
just copped a pair of 44s at the behest of jake from state farm. skated em twice so far and they feel realllyy good.  they don't seem crazy turny like what I've read on here and elsewhere. either I've unknowingly liked my trucks looser or the ones who said that were referring to older models.  keeping stock bushings.  just hope the durability holds up in terms of pivot cup, axle slip, axle bend. but yeah really great trucks thus far- the turning feels just as good if not better than indy.

If they turn better than Indy....then what other truck turns better? 
Tensor? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: El Chupacabra on May 19, 2016, 07:24:19 AM
So I was fortunate enough to get a set of the new 55s and magnesium baseplates to try out.
I need to skate them a bit and I'll let you guys know. They look sick though, thats for sure.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 19, 2016, 05:40:13 PM
So I was fortunate enough to get a set of the new 55s and magnesium baseplates to try out.
I need to skate them a bit and I'll let you guys know. They look sick though, thats for sure.

Where'd you find the mag plates?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on May 23, 2016, 06:50:12 AM
I've been riding Indys for 10 years, but I just ordered some Ace 44.
Can't wait to try them !
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 23, 2016, 10:33:00 AM
I've been riding Indys for 10 years, but I just ordered some Ace 44.
Can't wait to try them !

As others have stated, it will be hard to go back to any other truck after Ace, especially after they improved their quality. The turn is just unbeatable. Let us know what you think after you ride 'em!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on May 23, 2016, 12:07:58 PM
I've been riding ACE for a year now. I'll need new trucks soon, so I am now stuck between choosing a new set of indys or stick with ACE. IMO ACE wins over indys in every aspect, except one. At faster speeds ACES can wobble so unexpectedly, it gets frustrating. One second I am doing a manual, the next one I'm flying off my board. That same problem also happened while pushing as fast as I can on flat ground, that issue never occured with indys (or even thunders).

So while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense  ???
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 23, 2016, 01:59:34 PM
So while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense  ???

So, Aces are like a girlfriend you love but that's cheating on you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Julz on May 23, 2016, 02:26:25 PM
So while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense  ???

So, Aces are like a girlfriend you love but that's cheating on you.

Worst, my cheating ass girlfriend wouldn't dare to throw me off my board.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 23, 2016, 07:05:43 PM
As long as Ace's are kept at a normal level of looseness I found them to be just as stable as Indy. However, if you do something crazy like cut the top bushing in half or use some super soft ones to the point that they rattle, then yeah...they're super sketchy but I feel like that would happen with any truck if you did that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 24, 2016, 11:22:50 PM
I find Aces are a good stable carve.....Even a tiny bit broader than an Indy....then they hook......
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 25, 2016, 09:27:34 AM
I find Aces are a good stable carve.....Even a tiny bit broader than an Indy....then they hook......


agreed. i find them more stable than indys when i want them to be but you get a much deeper responsive turn when you want it. thunder have a similar deal but the turn is quicker and MUCH shallower.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on May 25, 2016, 10:23:30 PM
I've been riding ACE for a year now. I'll need new trucks soon, so I am now stuck between choosing a new set of indys or stick with ACE. IMO ACE wins over indys in every aspect, except one. At faster speeds ACES can wobble so unexpectedly, it gets frustrating. One second I am doing a manual, the next one I'm flying off my board. That same problem also happened while pushing as fast as I can on flat ground, that issue never occured with indys (or even thunders).

So while I do love my aces, I also don't trust them. If that makes sense  ???

I'm in the same situation.  For me it's more a size issue.  I ride an 835-838 with 44s but want to bump up to like an 8.5.  Seems like 149s are perfect for 8.5.  Then again this is being anal

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on May 26, 2016, 01:57:40 AM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/13259674_526176050924377_1584983569_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTI1ODU0MzA3MDcwNzA3MTY3NA%3D%3D.2)

for the dudes that was modding their Ace's & Indy's with the inverted kingpin. your wish has come true!

from AceJoeyT himself...

anyone know where to get the stage 2's with the upgraded axle nuts?

EDIT: finally blew my Khiro softs but only on the front truck. Can't he just take the design of the pivot cup hole from Indy's? i swear i've blew the pivot cups so many times it's starting to irritate me to skate in Ace's. I love the turn but i'm gonna need a little bit more durability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 26, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
^ beat me to it. Saw the post when I woke up and got a boner. Can't wait to get these...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 26, 2016, 08:06:46 AM
glad to see it happen but the design could be better....more rounded....I guess making it hexagon makes some sense just in case you grind or smash in the hole.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 26, 2016, 08:09:31 AM
looks like the king pin nut is the same size as the axle nut? rad idea.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on May 26, 2016, 08:14:14 AM
I've never messed with anything hollow on trucks and I kinda thought he wouldn't bother with any of that. I'll still get them but I hope I don't snap a kingpin.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on May 26, 2016, 08:51:43 AM
glad to see it happen but the design could be better....more rounded....I guess making it hexagon makes some sense just in case you grind or smash in the hole.....

Yeha unfortunately it's not as clean or low profile as the Krux design.  Odd choice
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on May 26, 2016, 08:57:28 AM
take my money
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 26, 2016, 01:22:48 PM
glad to see it happen but the design could be better....more rounded....I guess making it hexagon makes some sense just in case you grind or smash in the hole.....

Yeha unfortunately it's not as clean or low profile as the Krux design.  Odd choice

Yeah...

So it's a flange nut design (smart, I always wondered why this wasn't the norm) yet there is still a need for the standard bushing washer/cap on it?  Why? Is the Kingpin super long? Hollow?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on May 26, 2016, 04:15:16 PM
I was wondering what the 38 special was all about.  Then I heard it from someone that the axle nut is 3/8 which is the same as your mounting nut and can use the same tool (although most skate tools comes with both).  Looking at that kingpin nut I'm assuming it's 3/8 as well.  My guess for why you still need the cap is that since it's only 3/8 nut without a washer it could blow right through your bushing.  I could be wrong but I don't think the kingpin is hollow.  It just has the allen wrench feature in it.  I'm assuming the allen wrench would be the same as the one you use if you had allen bolts for your mounting hardware?  In which case you'd only need 2 tools for your entire set up?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 26, 2016, 10:52:51 PM
Reminds me of roller skates......which reminds me....what is the wrench part of an elephant tool for?  I forget....it's got to do with old trucks or roller skates....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on June 02, 2016, 01:05:30 AM
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GOATMOON on June 02, 2016, 05:45:48 AM
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
I also just set up my Aces yesterday. I'm running everything stock for now because it's been 100+ degrees all week and I figured the harder stock bushings would hold up well, but I couldn't get them to feel very loose without loosening them to the point where the nut kept coming off mid-trick and making me eat shit. But I also have some Krux bushings I might try today.

For those with experience using both, which do you like better?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on June 02, 2016, 08:08:12 AM
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.

Everyone thinks Ace are lighter than Indy because they look like they should be but they're actually the same weight

Ace 44's - 392g
Indy 149 - 394g (technically a bigger size as well)

By comparison Indy 149 Ti are 340g
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on June 02, 2016, 09:13:57 AM
true. they feel lighter perhaps due to their sprightly turn and liveliness...

they also grind down faster than indy, so will get lighter sooner... ha ha...

now, if they'd only start producing some aftermarket bushing options.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on June 02, 2016, 09:50:48 AM
I think another reason they feel lighter is perhaps because the axles are not as far back as Indys.  It makes my wheelbase seem shorter and gives a better response on ollies IMO.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on June 02, 2016, 10:48:18 AM
true. they feel lighter perhaps due to their sprightly turn and liveliness...

they also grind down faster than indy, so will get lighter sooner... ha ha...

now, if they'd only start producing some aftermarket bushing options.

Well, they do sell aftermarket's but I'm pretty sure it's the same durometer as the stock ones (too hard ha). Other durometer choices and some better fuckin' pivot cups would be great...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2016, 08:51:10 AM
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
I also just set up my Aces yesterday. I'm running everything stock for now because it's been 100+ degrees all week and I figured the harder stock bushings would hold up well, but I couldn't get them to feel very loose without loosening them to the point where the nut kept coming off mid-trick and making me eat shit. But I also have some Krux bushings I might try today.

For those with experience using both, which do you like better?

Krux over the stock. No question.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on June 03, 2016, 01:02:54 PM
Tried my first ever pair of Ace yesterday. I was riding Indy's 149 with medium bones before (top washer only).
Ace 44 with medium bones without bottom washer are way too turny for me, so I put both washers.

I didn't tested the stock bushings, maybe I will give them a try.

The turning is very good, they are lighter than Indy and you can feel it when you skate.
Grinding is good, crooked and smiths are perfect, and I think the wheels does not touch the ledge as often as Indys during tailslides.

I'm skating them with a 8.375 Quasi board (which size like a 8.25 btw), so I put the two washers outside of the wheels.
I also just set up my Aces yesterday. I'm running everything stock for now because it's been 100+ degrees all week and I figured the harder stock bushings would hold up well, but I couldn't get them to feel very loose without loosening them to the point where the nut kept coming off mid-trick and making me eat shit. But I also have some Krux bushings I might try today.

For those with experience using both, which do you like better?
Krux for sure. The top bushing is also a little shorter so you can get the nut on more with out it tightening down on the bushing as much. You can also try stock bottom bushing krux top.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: El Chupacabra on June 12, 2016, 09:11:42 AM
Not  normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrenchFuck on June 15, 2016, 03:57:58 PM
After two years of relentless slappies

(http://i.imgur.com/CHIM5Vf.jpg?1)

Time for some beefed up 44s
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on June 15, 2016, 04:32:40 PM
Not  normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)


Nice!  My only problem is that 55's are a 8.9 or 9 inch truck and 44's are 8.38 or somewhere abouts.  That's a huge gap between sizes.  I want to run a cruiser board between 8.5 and 8.75, but can't swing either one.  Where's the 8.62 inch truck?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on June 15, 2016, 05:01:31 PM
Those red Ace's are definitely sexy. It's the only colored truck I'd probably buy but I always end up raw doggin' it.

If you're getting an 8.6ish deck just put 3-4 speed rings on the inside of some 44's and you'll be good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on June 16, 2016, 12:34:47 AM
Those red Ace's are definitely sexy. It's the only colored truck I'd probably buy but I always end up raw doggin' it.

If you're getting an 8.6ish deck just put 3-4 speed rings on the inside of some 44's and you'll be good.

tried to find some speed rings at my local hardware store but they only have ones that detach rather than a full ring. it's almost like those things that's used on keychains. i know it's a thing on Ace's where you add speed rings to get more hanger space and better placement of the wheel. but yeah! anywhere else can you get them?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Doughboy on June 16, 2016, 07:36:06 AM
Those red Ace's are definitely sexy. It's the only colored truck I'd probably buy but I always end up raw doggin' it.

If you're getting an 8.6ish deck just put 3-4 speed rings on the inside of some 44's and you'll be good.

tried to find some speed rings at my local hardware store but they only have ones that detach rather than a full ring. it's almost like those things that's used on keychains. i know it's a thing on Ace's where you add speed rings to get more hanger space and better placement of the wheel. but yeah! anywhere else can you get them?
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Mini_Logo_Axle_Washers_8pk/descpage-MLAXW8PK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Mini_Logo_Axle_Washers_8pk/descpage-MLAXW8PK.html)

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=717 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=717)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FrenchFuck on June 16, 2016, 05:18:17 PM
I'm deux for deux

(http://i.imgur.com/n3fgrJE.jpg?2)

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on June 17, 2016, 03:49:46 AM
Not  normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)


Nice!  My only problem is that 55's are a 8.9 or 9 inch truck and 44's are 8.38 or somewhere abouts.  That's a huge gap between sizes.  I want to run a cruiser board between 8.5 and 8.75, but can't swing either one.  Where's the 8.62 inch truck?

Just run the 44's with the spacer on the inside and stop staring at your board with a ruler, it's fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 17, 2016, 09:11:46 AM
Not  normally a fan of colors, but these are just pure truck porn.
(http://i.imgur.com/WKkwPrnl.jpg)


Nice!  My only problem is that 55's are a 8.9 or 9 inch truck and 44's are 8.38 or somewhere abouts.  That's a huge gap between sizes.  I want to run a cruiser board between 8.5 and 8.75, but can't swing either one.  Where's the 8.62 inch truck?

Just run 55s

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on June 17, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
Nope can't swing either one.  I run the spacers on my 8.38 regular deck and that's the max for me.  I'm not going to run 55's either.  I tried my friends board and its way too big.  I'm stuck at the moment riding 149 Indys with the spacers.  I'm quirky like that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on June 17, 2016, 06:52:07 PM
Taking the plunge on the redesigns. We'll see how this goes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on June 20, 2016, 05:03:41 AM
Taking the plunge on the redesigns. We'll see how this goes.

I just bought a set of 44s. No idea if they're the redesigns, but hoping they are.

First time trying Ace. I've been on Indies for almost a decade. Going to run them stock until something feels off, then I'll invest in some Khiro pivot cups and Krux bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on June 20, 2016, 06:32:29 AM
Krux bushings also come with pivot cups. Not sure if they are as good khiros but might be worth trying. in saying that my stock ace pivot cups have been fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on June 20, 2016, 06:43:48 AM
Noticed the kingpins on the beefed-up version is shorter than the previous version. Swapped the top bushings for some bones medium i had lying around. Now they are loose enough for my liking.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on June 20, 2016, 06:49:45 AM
Krux bushings also come with pivot cups. Not sure if they are as good khiros but might be worth trying. in saying that my stock ace pivot cups have been fine.

Interesting... like in this pack? http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=59727 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=59727)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 20, 2016, 08:41:09 AM
Krux bushings also come with pivot cups. Not sure if they are as good khiros but might be worth trying. in saying that my stock ace pivot cups have been fine.

Problem there is the Krux pivot cups are sooooo much taller than any other pivot cup on the RKP market...so bizzare.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on June 20, 2016, 09:48:01 AM
i haven't even compared them as my ace pivot cups are just fine. i'm curious though... does it matter if they stick out a little?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on June 21, 2016, 12:51:52 PM
First day on the 44 redesigns and they are feeling good.I've got a little easier leverage over ollies than with the Thunders I was using. I'm happy so far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2016, 02:08:25 PM
i haven't even compared them as my ace pivot cups are just fine. i'm curious though... does it matter if they stick out a little?

Krux are way longer than standard, doubt it would mess with anything using them in other trucks. I wouldn't, however, us regular pivots cuts in krux, you'd have metal on metal action \m/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on June 25, 2016, 02:15:52 AM
Taking the plunge on the redesigns. We'll see how this goes.

I just bought a set of 44s. No idea if they're the redesigns, but hoping they are.

First time trying Ace. I've been on Indies for almost a decade. Going to run them stock until something feels off, then I'll invest in some Khiro pivot cups and Krux bushings.

Turns out the Ace I bought are the re-designs. Skated them for the first time today (all stock). I loosened them up as much as they could go before being finger tight. They felt a little tight in the morning, but by the afternoon I was carving around like I would on Indies. I didn't get any wheelbite, and flipping my board felt great. The couple of mms difference in height made popping a little more quicker. If these hold up I'm sold on Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: floop on July 25, 2016, 09:37:12 PM
i'm getting closer and closer to needing new trucks. 

been wanting to try titanium indy, because i like the idea of slightly lighter truck.  is it really true that ace 44's are the exact width as 149?  thought 149 were wider

as much as i want to try indy again, i am leaning towards sticking with Ace.  some people don't like the way they look but personally i like the minimal design (of the older design).  indys feel more bulky to me, which i guess is good for durability but also feels clunky or something

also, when rode indy's i had like 3 pairs in a row that had the axel slip.  no problems with my Ace

what say ye?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on July 25, 2016, 09:46:23 PM
how does ace not have an actual website anymore, just a facebook?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 25, 2016, 09:47:37 PM
i'm getting closer and closer to needing new trucks.�

been wanting to try titanium indy, because i like the idea of slightly lighter truck.� is it really true that ace 44's are the exact width as 149?� thought 149 were wider

as much as i want to try indy again, i am leaning towards sticking with Ace.� some people don't like the way they look but personally i like the minimal design (of the older design).� indys feel more bulky to me, which i guess is good for durability but also feels clunky or something

also, when rode indy's i had like 3 pairs in a row that had the axel slip.� no problems with my Ace

what say ye?

ACE44s come in around 8.38, smaller than 149s.

The Stage I Ace hangers (and V1 Theeve & current Thunder, tho the new 149 has a more indy yoke look to them) look great, svelte design; Indy's look bulky compared to everything out there. The Indy TIs are much lighter than stock ACEs if that matters to you.

I'm actually tempted to jump back on the theeve wagon....resisting the urge tho.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 25, 2016, 09:48:14 PM
Anyone know if those 38special nuts will be sold on their own, I want a better look at them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 25, 2016, 10:30:08 PM
Anyone know if those 38special nuts will be sold on their own, I want a better look at them
Maybe try a hardware store?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 26, 2016, 02:38:09 AM
Does your hardware store carry Ace, damn, my local is fucking up...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on July 26, 2016, 06:34:01 AM
Ace has never had a website. It's always just been their Facebook, Instagram, and a direct link to buy them on SoCal.

The "3/8 specials" were announced about a week ago that they're now fully available. Some shops were posting photos way before that announcement of new Ace trucks back in stock, and they'd have the 3/8 nuts on the axle. I contacted a couple shops and they said they came stock that way. However, Joey says the nuts will be sold separately.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 26, 2016, 07:46:33 AM
Does your hardware store carry Ace, damn, my local is fucking up...
That would be pretty sick haha
But I meant trying to see if a hardware store had a similar nut
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on July 26, 2016, 08:05:52 AM
Does your hardware store carry Ace, damn, my local is fucking up...
That would be pretty sick haha
But I meant trying to see if a hardware store had a similar nut
closest ive seen is a flange nut.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2016, 09:27:08 AM
Ace has never had a website. It's always just been their Facebook, Instagram, and a direct link to buy them on SoCal.


Actually, they did: http://acetruckmfg.com/ (http://acetruckmfg.com/) (it now points to the FB page, which is cheaper and has more reach).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Esmith5488 on July 26, 2016, 02:00:20 PM
might be a dumb question and its probably been answered a bunch, but should i go 44 or 55 for a 8.7 t.u deck?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on July 26, 2016, 02:23:58 PM
might be a dumb question and its probably been answered a bunch, but should i go 44 or 55 for a 8.7 t.u deck?

44's are 8.38"
55's are 8.875"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 26, 2016, 05:49:51 PM
Ace has never had a website. It's always just been their Facebook, Instagram, and a direct link to buy them on SoCal.


Actually, they did: http://acetruckmfg.com/ (http://acetruckmfg.com/) (it now points to the FB page, which is cheaper and has more reach).

I clicked on the pixelated pictures and it sent me to the So Cal site
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 01, 2016, 09:45:10 AM
I was at my local shop the other day and found a pair of 33's that have the "3/8 special" nuts on them stock. They don't have the nylon collar insert like normal axle and baseplate nuts. The "nyloc" type nuts help resist turning and secure the nut better, so I'm not sure if it could be a bad thing that the 38's don't have them. But it's the same size as the baseplate nuts so you would use that part of your tool to loosen or tighten the 38's.

Skate Warehouse has 'em in stock if anyone was interested in ordering them. Size 44 only...

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 01, 2016, 01:17:59 PM
I was at my local shop the other day and found a pair of 33's that have the "3/8 special" nuts on them stock. They don't have the nylon collar insert like normal axle and baseplate nuts. The "nyloc" type nuts help resist turning and secure the nut better, so I'm not sure if it could be a bad thing that the 38's don't have them. But it's the same size as the baseplate nuts so you would use that part of your tool to loosen or tighten the 38's.

Skate Warehouse has 'em in stock if anyone was interested in ordering them. Size 44 only...

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)

That sounds like a terrible idea...I mean, nyloc nuts have been standard forever, there is a reason. I cant imagine this to be a good thing at all (one can assume they did test it tho right?? :))
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 01, 2016, 04:12:39 PM
It isn't an invention of Joey's actually, he just licensed it. A man named Gus Duarte (RIP) made them to go on kingpins and axles so skateboarders would only need one size tool. He tried to get truck companies to change their hardware to it, but it never took off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on August 01, 2016, 05:20:34 PM
I've got those 3/8 nuts, and they've come loose two or three times in under a month. I don't think you can keep them flush without them coming loose. I've tightened them up a bit more and they haven't come loose again. Hope I don't strip an axle because of these fucking things.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 01, 2016, 06:42:36 PM
I've got those 3/8 nuts, and they've come loose two or three times in under a month. I don't think you can keep them flush without them coming loose. I've tightened them up a bit more and they haven't come loose again. Hope I don't strip an axle because of these fucking things.

If you're using more than two speed rings hanger side, the nut isn't going to hang on very well, nylon collar or not. Are you just using the usual one speed ring inside and out and tightening it down properly where there isn't too much play? Because yeah, that's not good if the nuts are coming loose with the normal amount of speed rings on the axle...

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on August 03, 2016, 12:56:07 AM
saw this tonight
(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/13686884_607584109420898_1087921334_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTMwNzY2NTczNjQwNzMzNjYwMw%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 07:52:00 AM
Man, I completely forgot to mention that when I inspected those 38's at the shop, the nut was slightly oval which is apparently why they don't put the nylon at the tip. But I think the downside is you can't keep reusing these, they self lock once or twice and then you'll need new ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on August 03, 2016, 08:42:33 AM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 11:04:29 AM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?

They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 03, 2016, 02:42:27 PM
Man, I completely forgot to mention that when I inspected those 38's at the shop, the nut was slightly oval which is apparently why they don't put the nylon at the tip. But I think the downside is you can't keep reusing these, they self lock once or twice and then you'll need new ones.

Well I'm out. I change wheels and gear more than most; these would be obsolete right away; also, there is always some tightening that goes on once you set up a new ride ones the bearings/wheels/rucks settle.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 03:20:24 PM
Man, I completely forgot to mention that when I inspected those 38's at the shop, the nut was slightly oval which is apparently why they don't put the nylon at the tip. But I think the downside is you can't keep reusing these, they self lock once or twice and then you'll need new ones.

Well I'm out. I change wheels and gear more than most; these would be obsolete right away; also, there is always some tightening that goes on once you set up a new ride ones the bearings/wheels/rucks settle.

I hear ya. I'm going to experiment and see what happens. I have extra regular axle nuts on backup. Either way, my choices at this point are to try some Theeve's or keep skating Ace. I'm leaning more toward Ace, because Theeve just seems like a gimmick truck company, to be honest.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 03, 2016, 04:15:15 PM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?

They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 04:33:00 PM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?

They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set

SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on August 03, 2016, 04:47:31 PM
Having nuts on your board without nyloc sounds ridiculous.  you're just asking to lose a wheel bombing a hill or somehing
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 03, 2016, 06:13:50 PM
Thinking about trying some 44's. The general consensus seems to be that Krux aftermarket bushings are the best, yay?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 03, 2016, 06:20:05 PM
It sounds the general consensus on the .38 specials is they're somewhat oval shaped, have no nylon meaning once they're on they gotta stay on, which they don't seem to be doing anyhow and running more than one inner speed ring is gonna fuck with them. looks like i'm out, damn i was really looking into these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 03, 2016, 06:22:09 PM
Thinking about trying some 44's. The general consensus seems to be that Krux aftermarket bushings are the best, yay?

So I've read. The bottom Krux bushing seems to be the only aftermarkets that are the same size as Ace's, which is good. This is the only place that has them in stock right now:

http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html (http://www.saltypeaks.com/products/31830/Krux-Worlds-Best-Cushions-Bushings-92a.html)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on August 04, 2016, 02:08:51 AM
I've got those 3/8 nuts, and they've come loose two or three times in under a month. I don't think you can keep them flush without them coming loose. I've tightened them up a bit more and they haven't come loose again. Hope I don't strip an axle because of these fucking things.

If you're using more than two speed rings hanger side, the nut isn't going to hang on very well, nylon collar or not. Are you just using the usual one speed ring inside and out and tightening it down properly where there isn't too much play? Because yeah, that's not good if the nuts are coming loose with the normal amount of speed rings on the axle...

I'm using two thick Ace speed rings on the inside and one thinner Independent washer on the outside. There is some play with the wheels, just like there would be with Indys with two on the inside and one on the outside.

I have to keep tightening at least one nut after every session. I wouldn't recommend these 3/8 nuts. The only reason I'm using them is because they came with the trucks (I thought they were regular 44s since they were the same price as regular 44s). I'll probably ditch the nuts soon or when I need new wheels.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Inman on August 04, 2016, 11:36:37 AM
facing trucks?  never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Try using a wide flat head screw driver and prying the cup out that way.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 04, 2016, 01:11:51 PM
facing trucks?  never heard of this, some kind of core level i havent achieved yet?

http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b (http://www.milehighskates.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=1262&osCsid=52fda7d04d7615e9c24083185b28216b)
Try using a wide flat head screw driver and prying the cup out that way.
You just quoted, and answered a post from 5 and a half years ago.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 04, 2016, 01:48:40 PM
I've got those 3/8 nuts, and they've come loose two or three times in under a month. I don't think you can keep them flush without them coming loose. I've tightened them up a bit more and they haven't come loose again. Hope I don't strip an axle because of these fucking things.

If you're using more than two speed rings hanger side, the nut isn't going to hang on very well, nylon collar or not. Are you just using the usual one speed ring inside and out and tightening it down properly where there isn't too much play? Because yeah, that's not good if the nuts are coming loose with the normal amount of speed rings on the axle...

I'm using two thick Ace speed rings on the inside and one thinner Independent washer on the outside. There is some play with the wheels, just like there would be with Indys with two on the inside and one on the outside.

I have to keep tightening at least one nut after every session. I wouldn't recommend these 3/8 nuts. The only reason I'm using them is because they came with the trucks (I thought they were regular 44s since they were the same price as regular 44s). I'll probably ditch the nuts soon or when I need new wheels.

You should email Ace and let Joey know he done fucked up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 04, 2016, 04:28:09 PM
How many speed rings come on new aces these days? used to be just one as you were supposed to put it on the outside as the inner hanger was tapered.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on August 04, 2016, 04:39:14 PM
How many speed rings come on new aces these days? used to be just one as you were supposed to put it on the outside as the inner hanger was tapered.



four speed rings per truck, two per wheel.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 04, 2016, 10:42:41 PM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?

They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set

SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's

Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 04, 2016, 11:22:14 PM
SoCal Skate Shop offers USPS Priority as a shipping option and it's $10 or less. I actually prefer USPS Priority over UPS because it's always been delivered to me in only two business days. They deliver on Saturday if they need to and it comes earlier in the day than UPS so you're not sitting around waiting for your stuff to arrive.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 04, 2016, 11:39:32 PM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?

They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set

SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's

Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?
Tactics does free shipping. It would be coming to you from Oregon though. http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on August 06, 2016, 09:37:46 AM
Really hope they start producing the magnesium base plates again.

Ace people if you're reading this, please do this.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 06, 2016, 11:44:14 AM
Really hope they start producing the magnesium base plates again.

Ace people if you're reading this, please do this.

Somehow I doubt it will happen, ACE is still too small, probably will always be this way; the intital bad taste of hanger bends blew it for them (much like theeves bushing seat). New brands rarely recover from missteps and with zero marketing dollars...we're al stuck with heavy cast plates :P
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on August 06, 2016, 02:50:04 PM
Really hope they start producing the magnesium base plates again.

Ace people if you're reading this, please do this.

Somehow I doubt it will happen, ACE is still too small, probably will always be this way; the intital bad taste of hanger bends blew it for them (much like theeves bushing seat). New brands rarely recover from missteps and with zero marketing dollars...we're al stuck with heavy cast plates :P

Well I'm glad I'm not gnarly then.  Maybe mine will hold up for a while.  

Still I see them pretty often here in nyc.  There can't be a better turn for snaking through the crowds and traffic, heavy ass plates or not.

Ace people, a limited run of mag plates please.  You have a following!!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 06, 2016, 04:15:29 PM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?

They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set

SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's

Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?
Tactics does free shipping. It would be coming to you from Oregon though. http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)


Thank you!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 08, 2016, 04:30:06 AM
Just checked the skatewarehouse link for the 38 specials. What justifies them being $48 for a set?

They sell their regular 44's for $22.99 a set, so you're only paying a couple more bucks for the specials. Yeah, it's kinda lame but it's only a couple bucks. It's all over the map with Ace prices, though. Some shops will sell 'em for $40 a set just like Indy 149's, others like a local near me sells 44's for $26.99 a set which is outrageous. The actual MSRP by Ace is $26.99 if you look on the sticker of the plastic shrink wrap they come in.
http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)

I thought SoCal sold them that much a truck, saw these in the real world and loved them might have to cop a set

SoCal does $39.95 for regular 44's

Know of any online shops in Cali or that won't charge a stupid amount of shipping for that price?
Tactics does free shipping. It would be coming to you from Oregon though. http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/silver)


I e-mailed them a couple of months ago to check if it was the re-designed 44's - 55's - 66's and it's still the old design...don't know about it now but would love to get it from them than soCal since they're tax free and free shipping. nothing bad to say about them rather than i always come up good on their thursday sales.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on August 08, 2016, 08:01:35 AM
I e-mailed them a couple of months ago to check if it was the re-designed 44's - 55's - 66's and it's still the old design...don't know about it now but would love to get it from them than soCal since they're tax free and free shipping. nothing bad to say about them rather than i always come up good on their thursday sales.

Damn, I just got some 66's from them. Been great so far though. I mostly just skate transitions and low impact curbs/ledges so hopefully i'll be fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 08, 2016, 08:28:00 AM
I got some 55s from Tactics. They were the new design. They don't always know what the fuck they're talking about. Great shop as far as online goes through.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on August 08, 2016, 09:19:40 AM
I got some 55s from Tactics. They were the new design. They don't always know what the fuck they're talking about. Great shop as far as online goes through.

How do you tell the difference?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 08, 2016, 09:33:44 AM
Old:
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_6901_Ace_SIlver_44_FLG.jpg)

New:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
 
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 08, 2016, 02:36:03 PM
Socalskateshop and Tactics both have the redesign from what I understand.  I emailed them both last week to make sure and ended up ordering some 44's because their running 15% off orders over $25.  I've really been enjoying my Thunder 149 ii's after riding Indy's forever and figure if I don't gel with the Aces, I can just setup a cruiser with them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on August 08, 2016, 03:18:09 PM
Old:
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_6901_Ace_SIlver_44_FLG.jpg)

New:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
 
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.

Shit.. I have 4 unused sets of 03 low's in the old style. Are you telling me that they are likely to have some kind of issue when it comes time to skating them? If so... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on August 08, 2016, 03:51:05 PM
Old:
(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_6901_Ace_SIlver_44_FLG.jpg)

New:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2ive8gl.jpg)
 
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.

Shit.. I have 4 unused sets of 03 low's in the old style. Are you telling me that they are likely to have some kind of issue when it comes time to skating them? If so... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
They only changed the design on 44's and up. The 03s they sell now will be exactly the same as the ones you have.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on August 08, 2016, 03:54:48 PM

Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.

Shit.. I have 4 unused sets of 03 low's in the old style. Are you telling me that they are likely to have some kind of issue when it comes time to skating them? If so... Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
They only changed the design on 44's and up. The 03s they sell now will be exactly the same as the ones you have.

Coo, i'll chill for the interim.

About to give them a go as soon as my foot is healed up.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on August 10, 2016, 10:50:15 AM
Old:


New:

 
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.

Ahh, so I got the new design, thanks.

Sidenote: These might be the best trucks I've ever had.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 10, 2016, 11:43:28 AM
Old:


New:

 
Not sure on the terminology but the hangars have more support and are thicker.

Ahh, so I got the new design, thanks.

Sidenote: These might be the best trucks I've ever had.
Yeah man. There is something about them. They just feel...right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 10, 2016, 01:55:40 PM
Anybody experienced loose kingpin on Aces ?
Got my 44 for 2 months and my front truck got a loose kingpin...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 10, 2016, 04:09:04 PM
Anybody experienced loose kingpin on Aces ?
Got my 44 for 2 months and my front truck got a loose kingpin...

Yep. Happened to me with two sets in a row. I'm trying ACE one last time. This time keeping stock bushings or using Krux which will maintain stock geometry. Before, I had Bones in them which are too short and put added stress on the kingpin and pivot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on August 10, 2016, 07:54:59 PM
if you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point.  Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue.  The cast baseplates are softer than forged.  Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 10, 2016, 08:55:05 PM
if you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point.  Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue.  The cast baseplates are softer than forged.  Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen

is that why the kingpin nut keeps moving? i swear i have it on at a certain amount of turn so it's just the right looseness for me but for reason it's not locked until it goes past a couple of threads till the tip of the kingpin starts showing and that's a pet peeve of mine and then it comes tight as shit to turn. i don't like to grind down my kingpin either, rather it be the nut cause that's easily replaceable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 10, 2016, 09:05:31 PM
if you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point.  Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue.  The cast baseplates are softer than forged.  Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen

Ace plates are forged, right?

If you like wiggle loose trucks, does it even matter if the kingpin wiggles?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 10, 2016, 11:53:16 PM
Anybody experienced loose kingpin on Aces ?
Got my 44 for 2 months and my front truck got a loose kingpin...

Yep. Happened to me with two sets in a row. I'm trying ACE one last time. This time keeping stock bushings or using Krux which will maintain stock geometry. Before, I had Bones in them which are too short and put added stress on the kingpin and pivot.

I was also riding bones, with both washers.
I just ordered a new pair, this time I will ride them all stock as you suggested...

Is this issue supported by Ace warranty ?


Ace plates are forged, right?

If you like wiggle loose trucks, does it even matter if the kingpin wiggles?

The only thing I know is that the feeling is really weird, but of course it is skatable...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on August 11, 2016, 07:04:19 AM
if you have cast (non forged) baseplates and ride loose you are likely to get the wobbly kingpings at some point.  Ace, Indy, Thunder, etc all have this issue.  The cast baseplates are softer than forged.  Combine that with the even softer Ace china metal, it's bound to happen

Ace plates are forged, right?

If you like wiggle loose trucks, does it even matter if the kingpin wiggles?

Ace baseplates are cast.  Loose kingpins are still skateable but the board is less stable and the looser you skate your trucks the less stable it will be
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 11, 2016, 07:37:51 AM
well that's a given.

ace base plates look  very similar to forged BPs.

ah well, yet to happen to me and i ride just tight of wobble loose. i thought one was wobbling once but took the hanger off to check and it was fine. it did happen on an indy once so i just re-inserted the kingpin and it stayed tight thereafter. no damage to the hole. double-entendres are flying right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 11, 2016, 08:51:59 AM
I was also riding bones, with both washers.
I just ordered a new pair, this time I will ride them all stock as you suggested...

Is this issue supported by Ace warranty?

I'm not sure, you could email him and see.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 12, 2016, 12:31:52 AM
I tried to re-insert the kingpin a couple of times yesterday, but at the end it always wiggles.
So I emailed Ace and this is their answer :

Quote
Dear Thomas,
 
   At Ace we take our trucks and our warranty very seriously. If you have any
issues with your Ace trucks, please send them to us along with a letter
explaining your concerns and containing your return shipping address for
replacement.
 
ACE c / o Warranty
1710 Cordova Street
Los Angeles, CA 90007 USA
 
Best Regards,
 
 -ACE-

I ordered a new pair of Ace 44 on SoCal, as soon as I'll get them, I will send the defective truck to Ace and see what happen...
I'm not going to hate on the quality, I switched from Indys to Aces because I had three sets of trucks with axle slipping in a row on my 149's...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on August 12, 2016, 05:14:17 AM
My indy axles are slipping again. This is probably why I've never managed to grind a set down to the axle. They always slipped before and I guess they still haven't figured out how to keep it from happening.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 12, 2016, 08:04:07 AM
Just got my 44's from SoCal and they're the goddamn 38 specials. Oh wel, I've got some old nuts I can throw on. Looking forward to trying them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 12, 2016, 05:45:45 PM
After suffering through these stock Ace bushings for a week, I finally got some Krux in the mail today. Once the rain dried up I cruised around and got to experience these magnificent motherfuckers. Fuck Bones bushings, Krux in Ace's are the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. The top Krux bushing is shorter than an Ace stock which doesn't really matter, but just letting everyone know.

I really don't understand why Joey decided to put such restrictive stock bushings in the redesigns. They make Ace's very hard to turn and it prevents them from performing how they are supposed to be right out of the gate. Now with the Krux bushings, they have that good ol' amazing responsiveness and just an unbeatable turn, while being able to maintain stock geometry. Just hope my kingpins don't come loose again...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 13, 2016, 06:13:07 PM
After suffering through these stock Ace bushings for a week, I finally got some Krux in the mail today. Once the rain dried up I cruised around and got to experience these magnificent motherfuckers. Fuck Bones bushings, Krux in Ace's are the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. The top Krux bushing is shorter than an Ace stock which doesn't really matter, but just letting everyone know.

I really don't understand why Joey decided to put such restrictive stock bushings in the redesigns. They make Ace's very hard to turn and it prevents them from performing how they are supposed to be right out of the gate. Now with the Krux bushings, they have that good ol' amazing responsiveness and just an unbeatable turn, while being able to maintain stock geometry. Just hope my kingpins don't come loose again...

Ankle is griefing me so I setup my ACEs to just carve around the park bowls today (no tricks!), Bones med/krux pins. So good, I'm afraid to jump back on thunders again, as I know I'll feel that 'struggle' whereas the aces are just butter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 13, 2016, 08:59:17 PM
Thought you had the Krux bushings, Xen? You should use those instead of Bones, keeping stock geometry is important I've learned. I experimented today and noticed that either Ace stock bottoms or the Krux bottoms perform about the same as long as you use Krux tops. It's that hard Ace top bushing that really restricts the turn most of all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 13, 2016, 09:57:13 PM
I've seen a bunch of people at my Local skatepark that skates in Ace's and they have the stock top bushing and Bones Medium or Soft on the Bottom. Can anyone confirm if that's still too short for the specified geometry?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 13, 2016, 11:32:48 PM
I've seen a bunch of people at my Local skatepark that skates in Ace's and they have the stock top bushing and Bones Medium or Soft on the Bottom. Can anyone confirm if that's still too short for the specified geometry?

I've put a bottom Bones bushing next to an Ace stock with and without the washer underneath and it's always shorter than the Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 14, 2016, 01:09:31 AM
I experimented today and noticed that either Ace stock bottoms or the Krux bottoms perform about the same as long as you use Krux tops. It's that hard Ace top bushing that really restricts the turn most of all.
I hated the stock bushing at first too but I decided to try and actually break them in and I feel like they work pretty much the same as the Krux bushings once they're broke in nicely. That's just my good for nothing opinion.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: obZen on August 14, 2016, 01:59:09 AM
I'm at a point where I'm super anal about how my trucks fit on my board, and I've decided that 8.5 boards are not for me. Just too much real estate under the foot, and 149 indys on 8.25 just seems to throw off my 360 flips a lot compared to when I was riding krux 8.25 trucks for a bit, seems like I have to jump a lot more because the wider trucks slow the rotation down enough to mess with my fat ass. I know that they aren't 8.25Ē exact, but I'm hoping maybe it will be close enough to not screw with me.

Have they done much about the issue with these bending on some people? Because I'm very heavy, at a little over 200 lbs and I'm worried that if people less than 200 were bending them, then I am almost sure to.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 14, 2016, 08:00:26 AM
Have they done much about the issue with these bending on some people? Because I'm very heavy, at a little over 200 lbs and I'm worried that if people less than 200 were bending them, then I am almost sure to.

They beefed up the hangers on 44's and up.  I've had gigs every night this weekend so I haven't been able to try mine out yet.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 14, 2016, 09:22:11 AM
You can bend an axle and/or get axle slip on pretty much any truck. It still happens to people's Indy's and Thunder's more often than one would think. Ace aren't any worse or better in that department. I wouldn't worry about it, just grab some 44 redesigns and you'll most likely be fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 15, 2016, 11:37:32 PM
I'm at a point where I'm super anal about how my trucks fit on my board, and I've decided that 8.5 boards are not for me. Just too much real estate under the foot, and 149 indys on 8.25 just seems to throw off my 360 flips a lot compared to when I was riding krux 8.25 trucks for a bit, seems like I have to jump a lot more because the wider trucks slow the rotation down enough to mess with my fat ass. I know that they aren't 8.25� exact, but I'm hoping maybe it will be close enough to not screw with me.

Have they done much about the issue with these bending on some people? Because I'm very heavy, at a little over 200 lbs and I'm worried that if people less than 200 were bending them, then I am almost sure to.

Regarding the fitting of trucks on boards, I'm on Ace 44 with 8.25, and I put two speed rings outside of the wheels, nothing inside.
Maybe it's just mental but it feels like flip tricks are easier...

For the bending "issue", I'm quite light but I guess it can happend with every trucks brand...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 17, 2016, 06:01:01 PM
Finally got around to setting up my 44's.  My initial thoughts are that I like the height and the way that they grind, but the bushings are super firm.  I'm planning on riding out the dreaded break in period, but do you Ace guys find that the Krux bushings are similar to Indy after markets in that they require way less break in time?  If so I'll gladly pick some up.  If not, I'm just going to stick it out with the stock bushings.  They weren't as surfy as I expected first go, but I'm hoping once the bushings get broken in that will change.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 17, 2016, 06:16:49 PM
Finally got around to setting up my 44's.  My initial thoughts are that I like the height and the way that they grind, but the bushings are super firm.  I'm planning on riding out the dreaded break in period, but do you Ace guys find that the Krux bushings are similar to Indy after markets in that they require way less break in time?  If so I'll gladly pick some up.  If not, I'm just going to stick it out with the stock bushings.  They weren't as surfy as I expected first go, but I'm hoping once the bushings get broken in that will change.

Dude the Krux bushings are perfect right when you throw 'em in the Ace's. Get 'em ASAP. Breaking in the Ace bushings suck, and it takes a long time. They're way too hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 17, 2016, 09:02:26 PM
Everyone is right about the Krux bushings in Ace. Its a perfect combo. On 44s, I use both Krux bushings. On 55s I use stock Ace bottom and top Krux.

No idea if Indys of the same duro work as well or not...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 18, 2016, 01:27:53 AM
Everyone is right about the Krux bushings in Ace. Its a perfect combo. On 44s, I use both Krux bushings. On 55s I use stock Ace bottom and top Krux.

No idea if Indys of the same duro work as well or not...

Krux are NHS, so I would imagine the aftermarket bushings come from the same factory as the Indy aftermarkets. But it would only be smart to use an Indy top in Aces, since the bottoms are too short.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 18, 2016, 05:22:45 AM
I was just referencing the Indy after markets as far break in time goes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: VCR on August 18, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Are Ace's taller than a normal Indy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GOATMOON on August 18, 2016, 02:45:22 PM
Are Ace's taller than a normal Indy?

They're 2mm lower
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 22, 2016, 02:34:10 AM
Received my new Ace from SoCal to replace my loose kingpin.
I was surprised to see it was .38 specials... These nuts looks cheap and I immediately replaced them with standard ones.

It seems that they changed the formula of stock bushings or something, because they are not as white as the old one.
Maybe it changes from one batch to another, I don't know...

I'm going to send my "old" baseplate with loose kingpin to Ace and see what happen.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 22, 2016, 11:20:16 AM
Received my new Ace from SoCal to replace my loose kingpin.
I was surprised to see it was .38 specials... These nuts looks cheap and I immediately replaced them with standard ones.

It seems that they changed the formula of stock bushings or something, because they are not as white as the old one.
Maybe it changes from one batch to another, I don't know...

I'm going to send my "old" baseplate with loose kingpin to Ace and see what happen.

All redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on August 22, 2016, 03:00:50 PM
That's shitty to hear about the 38's I love hearing about new ideas and when they aren't great it's a bummer.....

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on August 22, 2016, 05:16:14 PM
Just setup my 44's with the Krux aftermarket's...

Holy shit.  I've never felt a turn quite like it.  Made the mistake of warming up at a manual spot I frequent.  I kept finding myself wrenching down on the kingpin trying to get some sense of stability.  Went to a bank spot and struggled more, though I felt like it was getting better.  Ended up at a ledge spot and by then I was starting to get hooked on the turn.

Magic carpet is an understatement.  I used to ride Indy 149's "finger tight" and those pale in comparison to the turn on these.  Went to Thunder 149 II's afterwards and eventually got used to them and came to love them.  I need more time on these, but at the very least, they'll make for a sweet cruiser setup.

How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on August 22, 2016, 06:22:49 PM
How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?

Been riding Indys for a long time. I've never felt comfortable on stage 11s because of their height (missing the pop on nollie flips/heels/etc). I've had a set of Ace for a few months and it's been smooth sailing ever since. I've got set of Thunders to try, too, but I'm not sure if I'll get to them because the Aces are real nice. I haven't changed the bushings yet, but I did buy some Krux bushings that I'll use later.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on August 22, 2016, 06:39:56 PM

How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?

Street only. I don't have the Krux aftermarkets but Aces are working just fine. Definitely considering switching to those bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 22, 2016, 08:11:59 PM
I'm about to jump into this Krux Bushings Bandwagon. How short is the top Krux bushings compare to Ace? I just want put the nut on till it levels out at the last thread in. I don't want to have even a hint of kingpin sticking out of the nut.

learned the hard way when i first made the switch and i used Bones bushings on Ace's. It gives you the Matt Rodriguez loose trucks to where it shackles and you see the top bushing moving up and down. This throws off the geometry of the truck by a huge margin and also ruins not just the pivot cup bushing but also the hole it keeps it on. my front truck had it's pivot hole stretch to the point that the hanger either slips out or it takes a chunk of the pivot base plate piece.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on August 22, 2016, 09:44:52 PM
I'm about to jump into this Krux Bushings Bandwagon. How short is the top Krux bushings compare to Ace? I just want put the nut on till it levels out at the last thread in. I don't want to have even a hint of kingpin sticking out of the nut.
The krux top bushing is just a hair shorter than the ace bushings. I don't know the exact measurement but it's probably about a millimeter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 23, 2016, 12:20:43 AM
How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?

I skate street only.
I ride them with stock bottom and medium bones top, but I'm considering trying that krux thing that everybody's talking about.

All redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.

I'm confused now...
My two pairs are redesigned (I mean beefed up hanger), but the newest pair are .38 specials.
The newest pair have clear white bushing, and the older have off-white bushings.

I can't get Krux bushings in France, shipping rates are ridiculously high, so I will skate them with stock bottom and Bones top.

I can't feel the duro difference by hand, so which one should I keep, the white or the off-white ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on August 23, 2016, 06:31:31 AM
How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?

I skate street only.
I ride them with stock bottom and medium bones top, but I'm considering trying that krux thing that everybody's talking about.

All redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.

I'm confused now...
My two pairs are redesigned (I mean beefed up hanger), but the newest pair are .38 specials.
The newest pair have clear white bushing, and the older have off-white bushings.

I can't get Krux bushings in France, shipping rates are ridiculously high, so I will skate them with stock bottom and Bones top.

I can't feel the duro difference by hand, so which one should I keep, the white or the off-white ?

They are probably the exact same bushings.  Urethane color can vary based on a thousand different factors.  It doesn't mean that one is harder than the other
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 23, 2016, 06:41:23 AM
How many of you Ace guys skate street mostly?

I skate street only.
I ride them with stock bottom and medium bones top, but I'm considering trying that krux thing that everybody's talking about.

All redesigns come with foggy off-white bushings and they're a harder durometer than the older Ace bushings. Swap 'em out with Krux and you'll be set.

I'm confused now...
My two pairs are redesigned (I mean beefed up hanger), but the newest pair are .38 specials.
The newest pair have clear white bushing, and the older have off-white bushings.

I can't get Krux bushings in France, shipping rates are ridiculously high, so I will skate them with stock bottom and Bones top.

I can't feel the duro difference by hand, so which one should I keep, the white or the off-white ?

If you want to buy krux bushings go to Titus skateshop webstore, they usually have everything and they ship from germany so thats maybe 5 euros for shipping.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on August 23, 2016, 08:40:38 AM
Yes, the Krux top bushing is just slightly shorter than an Ace stock, but it's fine, you just have to turn the nut a few more times to keep it secure. They'll be nice and loose and you'll have the best turn in da bidniz.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 23, 2016, 11:22:21 AM
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9Ä. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20Ä for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20Ä at least.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 23, 2016, 11:54:24 AM
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.

Which one, you live in turku right?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on August 23, 2016, 12:07:00 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=48056.msg2540206#msg2540206 date=1471978464
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.

Which one, you live in turku right?

Dylan's Trading

At least they've got them on their website. Haven't asked in the shop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on August 23, 2016, 08:50:26 PM
Hey for you guys who run the krux or flipped kingpins....how do you keep the nut from spinning in the baseplate?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 23, 2016, 11:27:01 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=48056.msg2540206#msg2540206 date=1471978464
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.

Which one, you live in turku right?

Dylan's Trading

At least they've got them on their website. Haven't asked in the shop.
Cheers, now i finally have a reason to go check that place out!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 23, 2016, 11:48:42 PM
My local shop has the Krux bushings for 9�. I live in Finland. They seem to charge 20� for international shipping, which is outrageous for bushings. I could go get them and mail them to you in an envelope if you can't find them elsewhere for a sensible price. Dunno how much mailing a letter to France would be, but should be a lot less than 20� at least.

That's very kind of you, but I managed to find them on eBay from UK yesterday, it was 15Ä shipping included, which is OK compared to Bones...
Can't wait to try them !

I don't know what's going on with international shipping rate, I went to the post office yesterday to send a Ace baseplate to USA for warranty, it was like 26Ä... Can have a whole truck for this price...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on August 25, 2016, 01:14:08 AM
Just received these!
(http://i.imgur.com/HRMzxc5.jpg)

and here's the comparison...

Ace Top's on the Left and Krux Tops on the right
(http://i.imgur.com/qBU4xGA.jpg)

I put them both(Top's Only) on my Regular and Cruiser Set ups(Both Ace 44's). Didn't have to break them in like everyone said and it finally gave me that "broken-in" Ace signature turn. My only grief about them is that they kinda give your board a soggy sound or that sound that you get with soft wheels and this is only for my regular set up with 99a wheels. So for those that like to have the nut flush or don't want a part of the kingpin to stick out past the nut. your gonna have to finger tighten it and use a tool and turn it one time  around and 3 quarters for the 2nd turn almost all the way around. It should only leave about a millimeter of kingpin, so about the same look as when you first get it out of the bag/skateshop. i guess that i can let go because it actually keeps it intact and gives you more of a highly responsive/surfy turn but not too bouncy of a rebound. so more stable loose than wobbly loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on August 31, 2016, 05:02:17 PM
I almost always ride silver trucks but this color combo is pure sex. Anyone know if they are the redesigns?

http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/diamond-black (http://www.tactics.com/ace/44-hi-skateboard-trucks/diamond-black)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Showerface on August 31, 2016, 05:24:40 PM
^OG's
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on August 31, 2016, 07:36:22 PM
^OG's

Thanks mate!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourfuckingdad on September 02, 2016, 12:46:58 PM
How much do Ace weigh compared to Indy's? I've been riding a set of Indy 169's (the ~9" ones) for years but they're heavy as shit. Are Aces  any lighter?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on September 02, 2016, 01:14:28 PM
According to this table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
posted by Deekay in the Royal trucks thread just a while ago, the Ace 44s are 365g and Indy 149s 394g. So, the Indy is ~8% heavier than the Ace. Not much, but might be noticeable. I suck anyway, so I don't notice such, even though I have both on two different set ups right now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: GOATMOON on September 02, 2016, 01:33:27 PM
According to this table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
posted by Deekay in the Royal trucks thread just a while ago, the Ace 44s are 365g and Indy 149s 394g. So, the Indy is ~8% heavier than the Ace. Not much, but might be noticeable. I suck anyway, so I don't notice such, even though I have both on two different set ups right now.
That chart is helpful but I'm pretty sure the info is at least 2-3 years old and ACE beefed up their hangers not too long ago, so  they're definitely a bit heavier now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 02, 2016, 01:56:51 PM
According to this table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13rCMIthFb59Y-xrveasWk4GqR9jgd85fXDCIFm3g15I/edit
posted by Deekay in the Royal trucks thread just a while ago, the Ace 44s are 365g and Indy 149s 394g. So, the Indy is ~8% heavier than the Ace. Not much, but might be noticeable. I suck anyway, so I don't notice such, even though I have both on two different set ups right now.
That chart is helpful but I'm pretty sure the info is at least 2-3 years old and ACE beefed up their hangers not too long ago, so  they're definitely a bit heavier now.

The current Ace 44's weigh 392g.  Regular Indy 149 are 394g and Indy Ti 149 are 339g
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourfuckingdad on September 03, 2016, 09:55:06 PM
Word thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).

Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jake From State Farm on September 03, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
Word thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).

Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.

Welcome orbs. The ones with the cores that Spitfire used to do.

But let's not derail this thread! The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: yourfuckingdad on September 04, 2016, 02:48:24 PM
Word thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).

Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.

Welcome orbs. The ones with the cores that Spitfire used to do.

But let's not derail this thread! The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?

thanks dawg
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on September 05, 2016, 01:35:10 AM
Word thanks.
The guy who makes my boards also uses hella glue which makes them surprisingly heavy (relative to normal skateshop decks).

Do lighter wheels exist that don't suck? My friend in middle school had these hollow core Flip wheels that broke in half after a few weeks lol.

Welcome orbs. The ones with the cores that Spitfire used to do.

But let's not derail this thread! The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?

My 44's are still OK, 3 months old. I'm 130 lbs btw...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hannity on September 05, 2016, 07:06:06 AM
i've been riding new 44s for the last 6 months and they're holding up well. i'm 6'2", 165lbs and they still feel sturdy as ever. but i don't jump down gaps or stairs, so they're probably much less prone to bending.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 06, 2016, 12:10:06 PM
Hey for you guys who run the krux or flipped kingpins....how do you keep the nut from spinning in the baseplate?

I use:

http://www.jbweld.com/products/steelstik-epoxy-putty-stick (http://www.jbweld.com/products/steelstik-epoxy-putty-stick)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on September 07, 2016, 12:08:19 AM
For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 07, 2016, 09:52:57 AM
For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.

I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on September 07, 2016, 12:16:41 PM
Main's right. They only thing that matters is that you engage the plastic in the kingpin nut.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on September 07, 2016, 04:54:27 PM
For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.

I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.

I'm used to riding Indy and Thunder's finger tight on the axle nut.  The decreased height of the Krux top bushing had me feeling weird about seeing so many threads (at least 3) on the kingpin nut.  I haven't skated it yet, but randomly threw the stock Ace top bushings back on for no apparent reason but to have less threads sticking out.  Should be able to get back out tomorrow night.

Been on the redesign 44's for almost a month.  Really like the height, turn, and the feel on grinds.  Hate the stock bushings, and wish a better manufacturer would make bushings in the same dimension ala Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 07, 2016, 06:51:35 PM
For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.

I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.

I'm used to riding Indy and Thunder's finger tight on the axle nut.  The decreased height of the Krux top bushing had me feeling weird about seeing so many threads (at least 3) on the kingpin nut.  I haven't skated it yet, but randomly threw the stock Ace top bushings back on for no apparent reason but to have less threads sticking out.  Should be able to get back out tomorrow night.

Been on the redesign 44's for almost a month.  Really like the height, turn, and the feel on grinds.  Hate the stock bushings, and wish a better manufacturer would make bushings in the same dimension ala Indy.

I experimented with Ace top bushings and Krux bottom and it felt as if I never swapped the bushings out to begin with. The Ace top is really what is restricting the turning on the newer design Ace's. They need to manufacture them with slightly shorter top bushings and also make the durometer not so hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on September 08, 2016, 08:03:52 AM
For those who are using Krux bushings (both), are you riding them so loose that you can rotate the top washer by hand ?
Mine are like this, even if I got about 1mm of kingpin sticking out.

It's perfectly OK to skate, but I don't know if it will hold a long time.

I make sure to tighten the nut down just enough so that I can't spin the top washer with my fingers. That way the Krux bushings and washers are secure on the kingpin and not sliding up and down. Still a nice and loose ride.

OK thanks, I'll try !
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on September 08, 2016, 09:48:19 AM
what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 08, 2016, 11:42:15 AM
what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?

Correct.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2016, 12:52:07 PM
what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?

I swear there is a mom joke in there somewhere.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 12, 2016, 06:10:24 PM
The redesigns still bend. Any experience with the warranty as of lately?

I meant to comment on this. Can you post a pic? I'm curious to see how bad it is.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on September 15, 2016, 07:56:50 PM
what does "finger tight" mean? does that mean you take the nut off and tighten it as much as you can with your fingers? or am I getting this totally wrong?

I swear there is a mom joke in there somewhere.

I told your mom to make it finger tight and she took my nut off and tightened it as much as she could with her finger strength.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 16, 2016, 11:20:23 AM
Never really had a problem with Ace pivot cups, just squeaky like all other stock ones. Thinking about getting some Khiro's for shits. I'm 220lbs, should I go with hards or softs? Do the hards restrict the turning at all?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on September 24, 2016, 04:32:37 PM
were the 38 specials part of the redesign?

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 24, 2016, 08:31:09 PM
were the 38 specials part of the redesign?

http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_38_Specials_Hi_Trucks/descpage-AC38HTK.html)

Nah, the redesigns happened late 2015. They just started officially putting 38's on newer production is all.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on September 25, 2016, 10:45:27 AM
It appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.

I just purchased a couple sets.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 25, 2016, 11:11:41 AM
It appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.

I just purchased a couple sets.

Holy. Fuck. Thank you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on September 25, 2016, 11:39:09 AM
It appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.

I just purchased a couple sets.

Holy. Fuck. Thank you.

You're welcome man! The stock bushings on my transition board are finally broken in, and man am I ever loving these trucks all the more each session.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on September 25, 2016, 12:27:53 PM
I have a board I mainly skate miniramps.....I have it set up with thunders cause I don't want to carve.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 25, 2016, 12:38:53 PM
It appears warehouseskateboards has the magnesium baseplates in stock.

I just purchased a couple sets.

Holy. Fuck. Thank you.

You're welcome man! The stock bushings on my transition board are finally broken in, and man am I ever loving these trucks all the more each session.

Good to hear! Still gotta get yourself some Krux bushings though dog, them shits is fire.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on September 25, 2016, 03:26:18 PM
I would be down to try those magnesium baseplates if they weren't anodized.  I can't deal with non silver trucks, which is kind of petty.  On another note, I've been running Krux bottom bushings with Ace top bushings in my newish 44's, and think the stock bushings are pretty decent if you take the time to break them in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 25, 2016, 04:57:53 PM
I would be down to try those magnesium baseplates if they weren't anodized.  I can't deal with non silver trucks, which is kind of petty.  On another note, I've been running Krux bottom bushings with Ace top bushings in my newish 44's, and think the stock bushings are pretty decent if you take the time to break them in.

Dude use a Krux top, there's no break in needed. Ace's top bushing is too tall and hard of a durometer it takes forever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 27, 2016, 12:44:32 AM
Of course, right when I get my money situated and am ready to order the mag plates, warehouseskateboards no longer has them on there. I guess it's a sign?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on September 27, 2016, 07:39:21 AM
Yeah I just got issued a full refund on the mag plates. It must have been an error on the site.. fucking bummer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 27, 2016, 07:40:52 AM
Of course, right when I get my money situated and am ready to order the mag plates, warehouseskateboards no longer has them on there. I guess it's a sign?

Damn, I would have scooped up a pair or two.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 27, 2016, 07:48:33 AM
Yeah I just got issued a full refund on the mag plates. It must have been an error on the site.. fucking bummer.

Hmm...Ok, that makes a little more sense now. They've not had mag plates in production for awhile now, and I didn't understand why only warehouseskateboards had them in stock all the sudden. Welp, there goes that haha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 27, 2016, 08:56:28 AM
I suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates.  Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 27, 2016, 09:17:54 AM
I suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates.  Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones

The mag plates did get wobbly over time, that's why I swapped to Krux pins, no more wobble and still able to be ridden loose with the added benefit of lower grind clearance, something soft bushing cranked down (to keep the wobble at bay) couldn't do.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: darbuzz on September 28, 2016, 07:04:54 AM
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2016, 09:57:18 AM
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.

Hi or Lo?

Really wish I could get a set of lows!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 28, 2016, 10:08:19 AM
I suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates.  Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones

The mag plates did get wobbly over time, that's why I swapped to Krux pins, no more wobble and still able to be ridden loose with the added benefit of lower grind clearance, something soft bushing cranked down (to keep the wobble at bay) couldn't do.

What would changing the kingpin have to do with preventing wobble? They wobble because the hole gets blown out in the baseplate. If anything the added stress of changing a kingpin would exacerbate the problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2016, 11:18:36 AM
I suspect Ace stopped making the Mag baseplates because they have kingpin issues with their aluminum baseplates.  Magnesium is softer than aluminum so its likely that kingpins were getting wobbly in the mag plates even quicker than the aluminum ones

The mag plates did get wobbly over time, that's why I swapped to Krux pins, no more wobble and still able to be ridden loose with the added benefit of lower grind clearance, something soft bushing cranked down (to keep the wobble at bay) couldn't do.

What would changing the kingpin have to do with preventing wobble? They wobble because the hole gets blown out in the baseplate. If anything the added stress of changing a kingpin would exacerbate the problem.

The krux is a reverse kingpin, i.e. the nut is in the plate and can be secured with expoxy or whatever, or the plate can be tight enough so the nut doesn't move, thereby keeping the pin from spinning/wobbling...

If you ride tight as trucks it shouldn't matter, but loose it would.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 29, 2016, 12:10:06 PM
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.

Is the shop you work in, "The Boardroom"? Are the kingpins silver? Because those would be the hi's and I'm definitely interested as long as the shipping isn't too crazy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on September 30, 2016, 01:44:43 AM
I got some all black 44s for a good price, but they're not the redesigns. Can I use the redesign hangers on the old Ace baseplates and vice versa (I want to run black hangers with raw baseplates)? I'm guessing yes, since the redesign meant a beefed up hanger, not a change in the geometry right?

Also, did Ace introduce new bushings with the redesigns? By appearance I can't see a difference between the bushings from the old 44s and the new 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: darbuzz on September 30, 2016, 09:54:17 AM
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.

Is the shop you work in, "The Boardroom"? Are the kingpins silver? Because those would be the hi's and I'm definitely interested as long as the shipping isn't too crazy.

Nah,Im in "Highrollers" and yea they have silver kingpins, wherabouts are you?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 30, 2016, 07:12:34 PM
I got some all black 44s for a good price, but they're not the redesigns. Can I use the redesign hangers on the old Ace baseplates and vice versa (I want to run black hangers with raw baseplates)? I'm guessing yes, since the redesign meant a beefed up hanger, not a change in the geometry right?

Also, did Ace introduce new bushings with the redesigns? By appearance I can't see a difference between the bushings from the old 44s and the new 44s.

You should be fine mixing them. As far as the bushings go, the old bushings I had to run 3 kingpin threads showing to not die. The redesign bushings I had to go a full turn loose from flush to get them to respond.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on September 30, 2016, 07:49:13 PM
The shop I work in has a set in stock still If you dont mind paying the shippig from Ireland I can put them on the site to order if youd like.

Is the shop you work in, "The Boardroom"? Are the kingpins silver? Because those would be the hi's and I'm definitely interested as long as the shipping isn't too crazy.

Nah,Im in "Highrollers" and yea they have silver kingpins, wherabouts are you?

USA
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on October 02, 2016, 03:35:18 AM
Decided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on October 02, 2016, 04:51:13 AM
I got some all black 44s for a good price, but they're not the redesigns. Can I use the redesign hangers on the old Ace baseplates and vice versa (I want to run black hangers with raw baseplates)? I'm guessing yes, since the redesign meant a beefed up hanger, not a change in the geometry right?

Also, did Ace introduce new bushings with the redesigns? By appearance I can't see a difference between the bushings from the old 44s and the new 44s.

You should be fine mixing them. As far as the bushings go, the old bushings I had to run 3 kingpin threads showing to not die. The redesign bushings I had to go a full turn loose from flush to get them to respond.

Awesome, thanks. So far I've had no problems with the updated stock bushings, so I might just keep running them.

Decided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.

I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on October 02, 2016, 11:35:03 AM

Decided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.

I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.

Thats what I thought too, but it seems like these Aces definitely push out the wheelbase a bit compared to my Thunders. I'll try to post some comparison pics tonight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ZEBRA on October 02, 2016, 04:01:21 PM
I'm really wanting to try a set of ACE's. They have one with a 8.25 axle, yeah?? That's what's got me interested....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Doughboy on October 02, 2016, 04:22:20 PM
I'm really wanting to try a set of ACE's. They have one with a 8.25 axle, yeah?? That's what's got me interested....
Ace 44=8.38
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 02, 2016, 09:01:45 PM

Decided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.

I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.

Thats what I thought too, but it seems like these Aces definitely push out the wheelbase a bit compared to my Thunders. I'll try to post some comparison pics tonight.
Unless you have some strange prototype ace's that nobody else has, this is impossible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on October 03, 2016, 12:14:48 AM

Decided to take the Thunder 149s off my regular board and set up the Ace 44s I had on my cruiser. First thing I noticed was that the Aces extend the wheelbase quite a bit compared to the Thunders. Other than that, they feel really good. I skated my Thunders quite loose but I prefer these Aces medium tight as they still turn really well. Pretty hyped on them. The hangar looks so nice.

I thought Ace shorten the wheelbase. I tried some Thunders and the wheelbase felt different compared to Indy and Ace. The Thunders must have made the wheelbase longer because the pop on everything felt delayed.

Thats what I thought too, but it seems like these Aces definitely push out the wheelbase a bit compared to my Thunders. I'll try to post some comparison pics tonight.
Unless you have some strange prototype ace's that nobody else has, this is impossible.

False alarm. I just checked again. I was looking at the mounting holes and baseplate instead of the axle which is where the wheels are mounted -.- oops. They definitely shorten the wheelbase, my bad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ZEBRA on October 03, 2016, 02:34:20 PM
I'm really wanting to try a set of ACE's. They have one with a 8.25 axle, yeah?? That's what's got me interested....
Ace 44=8.38

What size are the 33's??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bbk on October 03, 2016, 03:41:48 PM
8.0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on October 03, 2016, 04:15:30 PM
What are 55s? I know it's either 8.75 or 8.875, but which one is it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on October 03, 2016, 04:18:10 PM
55's are 8.875
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ZEBRA on October 03, 2016, 08:48:55 PM
8.0

Thank you!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Adam Abbas on October 03, 2016, 09:07:23 PM
Will be the next pair I buy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on October 04, 2016, 05:51:54 AM
8.0

Thank you!

It doesn't really matter but they're 7.875. I guess it's mostly a visual thing I guess but it looks/feels different than regular indy 139's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zimmer on October 04, 2016, 11:04:31 PM
As much as I've been liking my ace's, I think I pretty much have to go back to thunders.

It's all about that geometry. Ace has that creamy buttery turn but can feel a little unstable. thunders turn is more of a tilt.. but I feel a lot more confident with the axles farther forward (as apposed to the axles being right under the baseplate).

I thought I could compensate by riding bigger decks, but I'm not going over 8.5, and hunting down WB numbers is a drag.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 05, 2016, 06:17:43 AM
How far do Thunders push out the wheelbase compared to Ace or Indy?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 05, 2016, 05:11:24 PM
As much as I've been liking my ace's, I think I pretty much have to go back to thunders.

It's all about that geometry. Ace has that creamy buttery turn but can feel a little unstable. thunders turn is more of a tilt.. but I feel a lot more confident with the axles farther forward (as apposed to the axles being right under the baseplate).

I thought I could compensate by riding bigger decks, but I'm not going over 8.5, and hunting down WB numbers is a drag.

The struggle is real, bro!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zimmer on October 06, 2016, 02:01:45 PM
How far do Thunders push out the wheelbase compared to Ace or Indy?

I just picked up some 149 hollow lights today, I can try measuring it somehow.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zimmer on October 06, 2016, 08:19:34 PM
From my eye ball estimate, going from ace 44 to thunder hollow lights adds almost an inch to the wheelbase. I couldn't find my tape measure!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on October 09, 2016, 05:25:53 AM
I got some all black 44s for a good price, but they're not the redesigns. Can I use the redesign hangers on the old Ace baseplates and vice versa (I want to run black hangers with raw baseplates)? I'm guessing yes, since the redesign meant a beefed up hanger, not a change in the geometry right?

Also, did Ace introduce new bushings with the redesigns? By appearance I can't see a difference between the bushings from the old 44s and the new 44s.

You should be fine mixing them. As far as the bushings go, the old bushings I had to run 3 kingpin threads showing to not die. The redesign bushings I had to go a full turn loose from flush to get them to respond.

So it turns out you can't swap the hangers and baseplates if they're not both re-designs or the old designs. I had about 4 threads showing and they were insanely wobbly. Didn't try it with the bushings from the old designs, since I wanted to keep my trucks feeling worn in. It's like the bushings from the re-designs are too short for the old baseplates. Looks like I'm going to have to sell the black Aces or strip them down to silver.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on October 09, 2016, 08:59:45 AM
From my eye ball estimate, going from ace 44 to thunder hollow lights adds almost an inch to the wheelbase. I couldn't find my tape measure!
Thunder hollow lights - 17.25
My ace base plates are shot, so I have my 44 hangers on indy stage 9 plates. Ace indy combo - 17 inches
Indy stage 11 - 17.375
Venture lows - 17.625
All measurements are from the center of the front axle to the center of the rear axle on a board with a 14 inch wheelbase.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ZEBRA on October 09, 2016, 02:13:44 PM
8.0

Thank you!

It doesn't really matter but they're 7.875. I guess it's mostly a visual thing I guess but it looks/feels different than regular indy 139's.

Oh no, that matters to be. There's a good difference between the 33's and 44's then. Will be trying the 44's more than likely then
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on October 12, 2016, 09:36:33 PM
8.0

Thank you!

It doesn't really matter but they're 7.875. I guess it's mostly a visual thing I guess but it looks/feels different than regular indy 139's.

Oh no, that matters to be. There's a good difference between the 33's and 44's then. Will be trying the 44's more than likely then

ahaha idk man, the ace 03 i have fit perfect on my real 8.12. doesnt look under the width or anything. literally flush with the axle on an 8.12
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: MonistatOne on October 13, 2016, 07:29:57 AM
Apologies if already stated in this thread, but does anyone know if Ace are made in USA?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 13, 2016, 08:00:12 AM
Apologies if already stated in this thread, but does anyone know if Ace are made in USA?
They are not.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on October 13, 2016, 08:39:53 AM
Apologies if already stated in this thread, but does anyone know if Ace are made in USA?
They are not.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs#)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaveFuck on November 06, 2016, 01:36:30 PM
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on November 06, 2016, 04:32:53 PM
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?

Yeah.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on November 06, 2016, 05:31:20 PM
but you have to fuck with like 734 things on them to make them actually rideable  tho right?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on November 06, 2016, 07:03:07 PM
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?

Yeah.

definitely , i was riding indy lows mainly cause of the deep indy carve/turn but with my low preference but the weight was killing me, all the shredders who rock standard indys full solid weight can tell you, me the world how weight doesnt matter but truthfully, it DOES matter cause when your getting a bit winded youll feel it. how much effort it takes just to try another trick. lighter trucks make it easier

to wrap it up, aces are like indys but lighter and quicker on the turn response

but you have to fuck with like 734 things on them to make them actually rideable  tho right?


i dont think so, since your riding thunder 149 if your curious imp i suggest try some 44 the new ones. they should be about the same height, probably lighter by a little, and trust me they turn just as quick as thunders but turn deeper than thunder by some. im loving my 03.

the ace stock bushings are kinda tight at first but give them time and they break in feeling like thunder bushngs, atleast thats how i feel. and like everyone says, the aces should shorten your wheel base or keep it at the length the board originally measured it to be rather than extend it like the thunders do.

dont get me wrong thunders are good if you want excellent response but if you want something between thunder and indy definitely ACE. in my opinion the krux bushing swap is just so they get a nice soft deep quick turn and response, i dont ride loose so i keep it in the middle with the stock(sorry if im repeating ahah) i have my trucks medium tight, i can still turn while cruising even on sharp corners, it just takes a little effort sometimes a tick tack but rarely
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on November 06, 2016, 07:06:23 PM
nice, I'm guessing I'll stick with the thunders for a bit - just seemed like less fuss off the bat (which is exactly what I was looking for). 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 06, 2016, 07:25:51 PM
rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2016, 07:37:51 PM
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?

Depends on what you want out of the truck and what / how you skate as they all do the same thing, just slightly different.

Indy's are probably the best all around truck (forged).

I've been switching off/on Indy and Thunders but swapped out to aces/bones med today, felt so good; they did what I want when I wanted and didn't feel off with anything.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on November 06, 2016, 07:43:54 PM
rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...

woah what size are 55s ?

i know 44 are 8.25
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaveFuck on November 06, 2016, 09:51:55 PM
So is the switch from indy to these worth it?

Yeah.

definitely , i was riding indy lows mainly cause of the deep indy carve/turn but with my low preference but the weight was killing me, all the shredders who rock standard indys full solid weight can tell you, me the world how weight doesnt matter but truthfully, it DOES matter cause when your getting a bit winded youll feel it. how much effort it takes just to try another trick. lighter trucks make it easier

to wrap it up, aces are like indys but lighter and quicker on the turn response

but you have to fuck with like 734 things on them to make them actually rideable  tho right?


i dont think so, since your riding thunder 149 if your curious imp i suggest try some 44 the new ones. they should be about the same height, probably lighter by a little, and trust me they turn just as quick as thunders but turn deeper than thunder by some. im loving my 03.

the ace stock bushings are kinda tight at first but give them time and they break in feeling like thunder bushngs, atleast thats how i feel. and like everyone says, the aces should shorten your wheel base or keep it at the length the board originally measured it to be rather than extend it like the thunders do.

dont get me wrong thunders are good if you want excellent response but if you want something between thunder and indy definitely ACE. in my opinion the krux bushing swap is just so they get a nice soft deep quick turn and response, i dont ride loose so i keep it in the middle with the stock(sorry if im repeating ahah) i have my trucks medium tight, i can still turn while cruising even on sharp corners, it just takes a little effort sometimes a tick tack but rarely
Thanks man im deffinitely gonna order a set now
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on November 06, 2016, 11:11:47 PM
you wont regret, they grind like butter too.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on November 07, 2016, 12:21:14 AM
I've been riding Indy for 10 years, switched to Ace 44 in May, and I really enjoy them.
The perfect thing is that they can be very loose while holding up on high speed, and no wheel bites.

I had to deal with the Krux bushing thing since I didn't want to wait for the stocks to break in...

I don't think I'll be back on Indy soon, Aces fit really nice with the way I skate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 07, 2016, 08:52:44 AM
rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...

woah what size are 55s ?

i know 44 are 8.25

55s are 8 7/8" axle/ 162mm hanger I believe. 44s are more like 8 3/8"s axles and 146mm hangers...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 07, 2016, 02:47:58 PM
rob is right. ace take some of the best attributes of both Indy and Thunder. you got a super responsive turn at slow speeds but strangely they are stable at speed. at least in my experience. i just don't like the sizing so much. if there was something between 44s and 55s i might have my truck...

Sizing is odd, but I get that they were trying to accommodate more than one deck size per truck; 44s are such a universal size really.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on November 07, 2016, 06:50:39 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Zimmer on November 07, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

+1 I'm crossing my fingers. If Ace can shape up, I'll probably alternate between thunder and ace till I die.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on November 07, 2016, 10:37:46 PM
ha I think those are the only 2 trucks I'm gonna alternate from now for life, I mean probably gonna ride ace til death but if anything comes up thunder is always a top choice
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2016, 02:51:35 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

And bring back mag plates/make a low in 8.25.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 08, 2016, 02:52:50 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

And bring back mag plates/make a low in 8.25.
Anything else?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on November 08, 2016, 04:21:33 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

And bring back mag plates/make a low in 8.25.
Anything else?
Titanium axles?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 08, 2016, 04:46:43 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

Isn't just over 8.25 a weird size?  Wouldn't 8.25 on the nose be better? 

I can see the quality becoming more consistent....made in the USA....never....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2016, 06:40:18 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

Isn't just over 8.25 a weird size?  Wouldn't 8.25 on the nose be better? 

I can see the quality becoming more consistent....made in the USA....never....

ACE have weird sizing for sure.

They don't have a true 8" (it's like 7.866t2376457265473254 or some shit), 44s are 8.38 (so great for 8.125/8.25/8.38, but feel a bit narrow at the 8.5 range and 55s are too damn wide for anything under their real size.

There isn't enough market for them. Theeve are arguably a better truck from a manu pov and the V1/v2 feel the same as ACE do (prototype theeves ran ACE plates ;) If they weren't almost $200 bucks a set I'd ride the tih.

Indy and Thunder dominate their respective styles, they have a legacy and people are reluctant to try new shit.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on November 08, 2016, 08:39:12 PM
44's really are perfect in width now that they're just a tiny bit more than 8.25. Don't notice any difference compared to Indy 149's.

If only Ace stepped up their quality control, and moved their production to USA. They could possibly be the best truck...ever.

Isn't just over 8.25 a weird size?  Wouldn't 8.25 on the nose be better? 

I can see the quality becoming more consistent....made in the USA....never....

ACE have weird sizing for sure.

They don't have a true 8" (it's like 7.866t2376457265473254 or some shit), 44s are 8.38 (so great for 8.125/8.25/8.38, but feel a bit narrow at the 8.5 range and 55s are too damn wide for anything under their real size.

There isn't enough market for them. Theeve are arguably a better truck from a manu pov and the V1/v2 feel the same as ACE do (prototype theeves ran ACE plates ;) If they weren't almost $200 bucks a set I'd ride the tih.

Indy and Thunder dominate their respective styles, they have a legacy and people are reluctant to try new shit.



Ha yeah it's true I got the 03 and they're supposed to be 7.875 or something but truthfully I compared them with my 147 hi and 139 low and they were basically the same length beside the 147 being just a hair longer

But hey the 03 fit perfectly on my 8.125 chocolate, on my old 8 girl it was a hair but hotdogging
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 08, 2016, 09:15:38 PM
does anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on November 08, 2016, 09:30:53 PM


ACE have weird sizing for sure.

They don't have a true 8" (it's like 7.866t2376457265473254 or some shit), 44s are 8.38 (so great for 8.125/8.25/8.38, but feel a bit narrow at the 8.5 range and 55s are too damn wide for anything under their real size.




Totally agree. something half way between a 44 and 55 would be nice. say an 8 5/8" axle...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 08, 2016, 11:55:08 PM
I just think the vast majority of boards go up by quarter inch increments.....why not trucks.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on November 09, 2016, 12:07:22 AM
does anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.

Yes, it's perfect. I was riding 8.25 with Indy 149 before.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 09, 2016, 08:31:16 AM
does anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.

Yes, it's perfect. I was riding 8.25 with Indy 149 before.

good to hear. I was a little worried about that .13 mm extra but it's probably not even noticeable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 09, 2016, 12:13:27 PM
does anyone here skate 8.25s with Ace 44s? that's what I'm thinking of trying out soon. currently have Indy 139s on an 8.25.

Yes, it's perfect. I was riding 8.25 with Indy 149 before.

good to hear. I was a little worried about that .13 mm extra but it's probably not even noticeable.

44s on an 8.25" are perfect.  A hair wider than 139/147/8" and enough under an 8.5" where you still don't see bolts sticking out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 09, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JAesop on November 09, 2016, 03:21:22 PM
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....

I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on November 09, 2016, 07:32:20 PM
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....

I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?

No, it's cause the hanger isn't securely locked into the baseplate all the way. Pull up on it with your hand and you'll see it slide up from the pivot point. That's how it goes with wobbly loose trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on November 09, 2016, 07:33:05 PM
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....

I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?

went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 09, 2016, 10:05:27 PM
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....

I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?

went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?

Mental/OCD
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 09, 2016, 10:17:09 PM
Two words....koo-koo....

I just like to maximize my truck and hate wheels sticking out....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JAesop on November 10, 2016, 06:18:06 PM
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....

I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?

went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?

Mental/OCD

ditto... Cannot see trucks from above ( maybe a little wheel nut ) or I can't skate. Also trucks cannot be too small and go all magic carpet ride. Everything else in my little world I am ok with. Except colored wheels. And white dipped boards. And colored grip tape. And red top stains or blue bottom stains. Everything is ok.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 20matar on November 12, 2016, 03:17:05 PM
I have to ask. What exactly is a "magic carpet ride" in that context? The picture is not strong enough for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 12, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
Board too wide for trucks......what's trucks too wide for board?  Hot rod? 

That one is worse......I've always just felt same width...if you're riding a wider board...you should have the stability of a wide truck....if you are riding a narrowe board....you don't want clunky trucks......so you ride the same width....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on November 12, 2016, 04:11:01 PM
Board too wide for trucks......what's trucks too wide for board?  Hot rod? 

Hot rod or tractor pull:

Krux: Krux Wow 8.25 Trucks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAIGczmDYfA#)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sufodiv on November 16, 2016, 05:04:54 PM
I ran 44's on a 8.5 and it mildly annoyed me....

I am on a 8.375 deck phase right now and anything bigger with 44's does seem weird.
Anybody experienced this one? Here is my situation... Set up some 44's with Krux bushings top and bottom and I skate them wobbly loose (nut even with kingpin top, basically one turn) and randomly I get a back to front " jump" or hiccup where it feels like the hanger pops forward or backward. It's more noticeable rolling fakie. Kingpin not loose and nothing bent. Bad pivot cup?

went from thunder 149s to ace 44s, skate 8.5. I haven't noticed anything off in terms of truck width. How does it bother you guys?

Mental/OCD

ditto... Cannot see trucks from above ( maybe a little wheel nut ) or I can't skate. Also trucks cannot be too small and go all magic carpet ride. Everything else in my little world I am ok with. Except colored wheels. And white dipped boards. And colored grip tape. And red top stains or blue bottom stains. Everything is ok.


I rode an 8.375 with 44s and hated it. 8.1/8.25 with 44s is ideal for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on November 16, 2016, 09:32:01 PM
44s on 8.18 is my new favourite combo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 16, 2016, 09:51:23 PM
44s on 8.18 is my new favourite combo.

I rocked that for while and was pleasantly surprised; couldn't even notice any axle nut overhang issue.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: poowizard on November 16, 2016, 10:29:11 PM
I'm back on my second set of Aces. I went from Indy stage9's to Ace......wanted to try Indy stage 10's..... did..... and went back to Aces. It's like homecoming. I'll bounce from 8.25 to 8.38 with 44's and it works out dandy for me. I usually swap out to softer conical bushings but I'm almost thinking about going back to the stock ace bushings for a little more stability with the bottom barrel. (the older and heavier I get the less I need loose trucks I guess)

On both pairs I've had/currently have I always bend the axles a little but it doesn't bother me for some reason. If they could strengthen the axle without changing the hangar, that would be sick.

I like the way they look and its always cool to see some footy pop up with other ACE pilots.

They've been coming with smaller axle nuts that don't have the same plastic insert locking mechanism as before. It uses the same socket size as mounting hardware (10/32) and it IS still considered a "lock nut" just without the plastic. They're kinda cool just for flavor sake.

Your mom likes em'
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 19, 2016, 10:49:04 AM
I'm back on my second set of Aces. I went from Indy stage9's to Ace......wanted to try Indy stage 10's..... did..... and went back to Aces. It's like homecoming. I'll bounce from 8.25 to 8.38 with 44's and it works out dandy for me. I usually swap out to softer conical bushings but I'm almost thinking about going back to the stock ace bushings for a little more stability with the bottom barrel. (the older and heavier I get the less I need loose trucks I guess)

On both pairs I've had/currently have I always bend the axles a little but it doesn't bother me for some reason. If they could strengthen the axle without changing the hangar, that would be sick.

I like the way they look and its always cool to see some footy pop up with other ACE pilots.

They've been coming with smaller axle nuts that don't have the same plastic insert locking mechanism as before. It uses the same socket size as mounting hardware (10/32) and it IS still considered a "lock nut" just without the plastic. They're kinda cool just for flavor sake.

Your mom likes em'


My guess is the alloy is just too soft, that's what the axle bends (not heard of the new designs bending yet); either get better alloy or give Ti Axles :P
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Main on November 19, 2016, 02:31:09 PM
Someone claimed they've bent their newer designed Ace's but they haven't posted a picture yet. If it's you and you're reading this, do it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 02, 2017, 07:23:26 PM
Hello fellow SLAP pals. I usually just post stuff for sale on here but wanted to chime in on these "38 specials" axle nuts Ace has been hyping up and give my personal experience. I noticed when I first put the wheel on and tightened down the nut I could barely go more than a couple small turns or else the wheel wouldn't even spin, yet the nut was barely on the axle. Right off the bat I thought something was wrong with these. However, what I ended up doing is tightening down the nut a whole lot, so it was showing 2-3 threads on the outside and the wheel definitely could not even move, then I loosened them up and everything went back to normal. The nut was on the axle properly and locked, and the wheel with the axle washers on both sides spun like it should and still had just that tiny bit of play which I always do. So I think people may be having issues with these new nuts falling off because they don't do the trick I discovered, therefore it never locks onto the axle properly. Hope this helps, I skated for a long time today and they did not come loose, they seem legit. However, if they do start coming loose after many sessions I will report back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on April 02, 2017, 07:41:45 PM
What you did was squeeze the bearings in properly. I always do this so they sit right in the wheel. Another thing you could do is only use the outside washer. As Ace have the tapered hangar you don't need an inside washer. That will also give you more thread... Just a thought....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on April 03, 2017, 06:07:11 AM
Someone claimed they've bent their newer designed Ace's but they haven't posted a picture yet. If it's you and you're reading this, do it.

I've had two sets of the redesign with no issue. Great trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JAesop on April 03, 2017, 06:19:57 AM
On my third month of almost daily skating on the new ones, no problems. One of the wheel nuts worked loose and  flew off but I tightened it an extra half turn and it has been fine since. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on April 03, 2017, 09:04:37 AM
What you did was squeeze the bearings in properly. I always do this so they sit right in the wheel. Another thing you could do is only use the outside washer. As Ace have the tapered hangar you don't need an inside washer. That will also give you more thread... Just a thought....
I was taught this as just a young little grom at my local shit hole skateshop....RIP shit hole skateshop, RIP.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 03, 2017, 04:06:25 PM
While its being brought up i've had these .38 special axle nuts for over a month, purely a cosmetic upgrade but when i first put them on in comparison to the normal nuts that i had on my indys there was less room for wheel play, that little clack clack i like to have between hanger and nut, the only compromise i had to make to get these nuts on was take off an extra inner washer i had so the end of the axle poked through slightly, mines barely a thread down but they've stayed snug as anything. Brand new in the packet the nuts are oval in shape and when they're tightened down onto the axle they get pushed out to a rounder shape, im assuming this is their version of locking it in rather than using the nylock, im sold on these and will probably use them on every truck i set up from here on out, bonus is they just look cool against the wheel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on April 03, 2017, 11:00:07 PM
I've got Ace 55s with the 3/8 axle nuts on my cruiser right now. Threw my board down on the street a few weeks ago, wheel came off before my front foot even hit the board, ate shit and almost got run over by a bus.

I think the nut may not have been as tight as it could have but it definitely wasn't loose to the point where it should be falling off. I have them cranked down as far as I can now, fingers crossed that doesn't happen again. I'd like to think it was a freak accident because they do look quite cool compared to normal axle nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on April 03, 2017, 11:12:16 PM
If you took them on and off a few times...wouldn't the ovalness become ineffective?  Or strip your axel? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 04, 2017, 12:05:59 AM
I have a set of 44s and 55s that came with the 3/8 nuts... standard replacement nuts are like $2.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on April 04, 2017, 02:34:52 AM
My shop just put on regular nuts without me asking when I got my 44's.  They look out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on April 04, 2017, 06:49:28 AM
I don't trust these .38 special nuts either.
I replaced them with standard nuts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on April 22, 2017, 11:04:08 PM
I've been skating Indys only for years but Aces have had me drooling for some time now. I.'m just  to pussy too pull the trigger and always end up getting Indys (which I love).


So how do these compare to Indys? Half of these posts make me want to go get some aces's asap and then the other half have me like, "Eh now I'm glad I've stuck with Indys."
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 22, 2017, 11:47:34 PM
The turn is deeper and quicker but you still don't get wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. Just all around nicer than Indy I'd say. Indies are a bit more stable maybe, but I have nice middle stability with my Aces with the stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing.

I bought mine used from Main here on Slap. He had skated them with Bones hards bushings which don't sit too well apparently and the kingpins were loose, which was annoying. I epoxied them in place and haven't had any problems since. I dunno if the loose kingpin problem is something that happens with other bushing setups than full on Bones as mine are epoxied in place and will probably never come loose.

Indys aren't bad and Aces are somewhat hard to come by here in Finland so for example for my cruiser I got 159 Indys but if I could have found Ace 55s for the same price including shipping, I think I would have gone with those. It's a cruiser though, so it doesn't need to be as nimble as my other setups, so I think the Indys will work just fine on that.

Just get a pair. I'd be surprised if you don't like them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on April 23, 2017, 10:31:44 AM
The turn is deeper and quicker but you still don't get wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. Just all around nicer than Indy I'd say. Indies are a bit more stable maybe, but I have nice middle stability with my Aces with the stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing.

I bought mine used from Main here on Slap. He had skated them with Bones hards bushings which don't sit too well apparently and the kingpins were loose, which was annoying. I epoxied them in place and haven't had any problems since. I dunno if the loose kingpin problem is something that happens with other bushing setups than full on Bones as mine are epoxied in place and will probably never come loose.

Indys aren't bad and Aces are somewhat hard to come by here in Finland so for example for my cruiser I got 159 Indys but if I could have found Ace 55s for the same price including shipping, I think I would have gone with those. It's a cruiser though, so it doesn't need to be as nimble as my other setups, so I think the Indys will work just fine on that.

Just get a pair. I'd be surprised if you don't like them.

Glad to hear they can still be somewhat stable. I had THeeve V1s which were basically aces and I loved the turn so much but I want to be able to roll and do a trick with thinking about it/trying to focus on being nimble if that makes sense.

Oh and if it helps,  I ride my trucks in between medium and floppy loose. Loose but when you turn the bard over and press all the way on a wheel it's about an inch or so from wheelbite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaveFuck on April 23, 2017, 04:28:02 PM
The turn is deeper and quicker but you still don't get wheelbite with 54 mm wheels. Just all around nicer than Indy I'd say. Indies are a bit more stable maybe, but I have nice middle stability with my Aces with the stock bottom and Bones medium top bushing.

I bought mine used from Main here on Slap. He had skated them with Bones hards bushings which don't sit too well apparently and the kingpins were loose, which was annoying. I epoxied them in place and haven't had any problems since. I dunno if the loose kingpin problem is something that happens with other bushing setups than full on Bones as mine are epoxied in place and will probably never come loose.

Indys aren't bad and Aces are somewhat hard to come by here in Finland so for example for my cruiser I got 159 Indys but if I could have found Ace 55s for the same price including shipping, I think I would have gone with those. It's a cruiser though, so it doesn't need to be as nimble as my other setups, so I think the Indys will work just fine on that.

Just get a pair. I'd be surprised if you don't like them.

Glad to hear they can still be somewhat stable. I had THeeve V1s which were basically aces and I loved the turn so much but I want to be able to roll and do a trick with thinking about it/trying to focus on being nimble if that makes sense.

Oh and if it helps,  I ride my trucks in between medium and floppy loose. Loose but when you turn the bard over and press all the way on a wheel it's about an inch or so from wheelbite.
Get the aces ESPECIALLY since you ride loose trucks. You will be in heaven (try some krux bushings also if you can get your hands on em)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Vitriol on April 24, 2017, 10:03:47 AM
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Get the aces ESPECIALLY since you ride loose trucks. You will be in heaven (try some krux bushings also if you can get your hands on em)

Hey, I see people recommending krux bushings all the time with them, but could you be more specific on what they do bring to the table?
I ride ace 44s gen 1 stock on an 8.25, with the nut flush on the kingpin and they feel REAL good even from the start (i'm about ~65kg also, so i guess pretty average weight).
I believe the top and lower ace bushings are different duros as well as they aren't exactly the same color (don't even look to be made out of the same urethane if that makes sense).
So, are krux softer? or is it something else ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 24, 2017, 10:22:33 AM
At least stock Krux bushings are much softer than Ace bushings. Haven't tried the aftermarket ones but I absolutely hated the stock Krux bushings I tried in my Aces. I know I'm rather alone with that opinion though. I'm a big guy and I like stability AND a nice deep turn that doesn't take too much effort. So, I'm not one of those loose as fuck ppls.  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on April 24, 2017, 11:28:42 AM
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Get the aces ESPECIALLY since you ride loose trucks. You will be in heaven (try some krux bushings also if you can get your hands on em)

Hey, I see people recommending krux bushings all the time with them, but could you be more specific on what they do bring to the table?
I ride ace 44s gen 1 stock on an 8.25, with the nut flush on the kingpin and they feel REAL good even from the start (i'm about ~65kg also, so i guess pretty average weight).
I believe the top and lower ace bushings are different duros as well as they aren't exactly the same color (don't even look to be made out of the same urethane if that makes sense).
So, are krux softer? or is it something else ?
Krux are softer and the top bushing is a little bit shorter. So you can tighten your nut down enough to keep it from falling off while not making your trucks get tighter.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Vitriol on April 24, 2017, 02:50:29 PM
Mucho thanks for the info guys, makes sense.
Might be worth considering as my nuts are moving during sessions on my last pair, maybe i didn't thread enough nylock this time, but i don't like the idea of tightening them more.
Then again when i go fast (ok, it's not that often!) things can get pretty wild, so i don't know about going any softer.
I'll probably just grab a small tube of loctite somewhere.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 26, 2017, 10:21:03 AM
Mucho thanks for the info guys, makes sense.
Might be worth considering as my nuts are moving during sessions on my last pair, maybe i didn't thread enough nylock this time, but i don't like the idea of tightening them more.
Then again when i go fast (ok, it's not that often!) things can get pretty wild, so i don't know about going any softer.
I'll probably just grab a small tube of loctite somewhere.

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Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Vitriol on April 26, 2017, 02:22:53 PM
Mucho thanks for the info guys, makes sense.
Might be worth considering as my nuts are moving during sessions on my last pair, maybe i didn't thread enough nylock this time, but i don't like the idea of tightening them more.
Then again when i go fast (ok, it's not that often!) things can get pretty wild, so i don't know about going any softer.
I'll probably just grab a small tube of loctite somewhere.

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Good call!!!  ;D
I actually use loose boxers cause i like some bagginess down there, but my buddy swears by tight ones, avoids accidents he says.
He rides tighter trucks too, so maybe there's a correlation somewhere...?!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 05, 2017, 02:18:55 AM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 05, 2017, 02:54:51 AM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?

That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 05, 2017, 03:35:46 AM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?

That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.
Yeah that's the deck lol and okay. I'll probably be fine.


However when I tried ordering it on my computer, the site said they were 8.25 trucks and would let me put them with that deck but when I ordered from my iPad it works just fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 05, 2017, 06:45:56 AM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?

That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.
Yeah that's the deck lol and okay. I'll probably be fine.


However when I tried ordering it on my computer, the site said they were 8.25 trucks and would let me put them with that deck but when I ordered from my iPad it works just fine.

Skate warehouse complete builder? Sounds like it...doesn't let you put crazy combos together, e.g., 7.5" deck and ACE 55s.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 05, 2017, 06:54:28 AM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?

That football shape Zero? Probably tapers down more than a regular deck, so you're probably golden with the 44s.
Yeah that's the deck lol and okay. I'll probably be fine.


However when I tried ordering it on my computer, the site said they were 8.25 trucks and would let me put them with that deck but when I ordered from my iPad it works just fine.

Skate warehouse complete builder? Sounds like it...doesn't let you put crazy combos together, e.g., 7.5" deck and ACE 55s.
Yeah I ordered from SW.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on May 05, 2017, 08:19:20 AM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?

it will be totally fine, no matter the deck shape. The Ace axles will be an 1/8" shorter each side of the deck. Like riding 149s and an 8.75". If you're that concerned add more washers to push the wheels further out a bit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on May 05, 2017, 02:55:50 PM
Just ordered an 8.625 deck and Ace 44s. It says here that 44s are good for decks up to 8.75. I normally ride between 8.3-8.5 decks but I love the deck I bought and it was an 8.625.


Do you think this will be weird or should I have gotten 55's. Would using a couple extra spacers help at all?

I had an 8.62 anti hero on my ace 44s for a lil bit, felt fine honestly, didn't notice anything off. Like others have said, if it bothers you, you can always put more washers on the inside side of the wheel to push them out a little bit more, I think ace axles are slightly longer than normal ones anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 05, 2017, 07:20:48 PM
Does anyone know if a "high" hanger can sit on a "low" Ace baseplate as long as I swap the kingpin out to a "high" one or a Krux pin? Or is the "low" baseplate a different geometry that can't fit "high" hangers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on May 05, 2017, 07:58:35 PM
Does anyone know if a "high" hanger can sit on a "low" Ace baseplate as long as I swap the kingpin out to a "high" one or a Krux pin? Or is the "low" baseplate a different geometry that can't fit "high" hangers?

I don't think they do unfortunately.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 14, 2017, 04:11:59 AM
Not my pic but this is gnarly and since people always say that Aces have the worst piviot cups known to man I thought it'd be cool to post.



(https://s7.postimg.org/9kjktyll7/IMG_1544.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on May 22, 2017, 12:37:24 AM
Started to have axle slip on both trucks this weekend after 1 year of use.
Switched to new hangers, hope I'm good for one more year.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on May 22, 2017, 01:27:12 AM
Started to have axle slip on both trucks this weekend after 1 year of use.
Switched to new hangers, hope I'm good for one more year.


Did you just have spare hangers lying around or did you buy just hangers? Copped a set of the mag baseplates and am wondering if its possible to buy just hangers rather than the entire truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on May 22, 2017, 02:33:47 AM
Started to have axle slip on both trucks this weekend after 1 year of use.
Switched to new hangers, hope I'm good for one more year.


Did you just have spare hangers lying around or did you buy just hangers? Copped a set of the mag baseplates and am wondering if its possible to buy just hangers rather than the entire truck.

I had spare hangers because I had an issue with my kingpin, changed the baseplate only...
I think someone posted while ago a link to a sketchy website where you can buy spare parts, not sure if it still exist and/or if they carry Aces.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Pigeon on May 23, 2017, 03:00:43 PM
I'm contemplating buying a set of 33 Hi, because I've heard that they were modeled off Indy Stage VII. I don't know how often they change their trucks, or if they even do, so is there still any truth to the Stage VII comparison?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on May 23, 2017, 03:10:24 PM
Aces are based off of stage III indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaveFuck on August 26, 2017, 08:06:36 AM
Can someone tell me how you replaced the stock kingping with the krux one? im considering making the switch
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on August 26, 2017, 09:28:38 AM
Can someone tell me how you replaced the stock kingping with the krux one? im considering making the switch

Get a hammer and knock the original kingpin out. The rest is straightforward, you may need the krux bushings because the ace stock bushings could be a bit tall. Note that there isn't anything to hold the nut on the underside of the baseplate, so tightening it down a lot may be tricky, and when you do, it could sometimes loosen back up. Also adjusting in general is annoying. Can be solved with loctite though. I think it's worth it though, the Kingpin clearance you get is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JAesop on August 26, 2017, 08:21:23 PM
Can someone tell me how you replaced the stock kingping with the krux one? im considering making the switch

Get a hammer and knock the original kingpin out. The rest is straightforward, you may need the krux bushings because the ace stock bushings could be a bit tall. Note that there isn't anything to hold the nut on the underside of the baseplate, so tightening it down a lot may be tricky, and when you do, it could sometimes loosen back up. Also adjusting in general is annoying. Can be solved with loctite though. I think it's worth it though, the Kingpin clearance you get is ridiculous.

All true. I gave up on the Krux kingpins after a couple of seriously squirrelly incidents. Use the loctite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on August 28, 2017, 07:39:51 AM
My whole shit fell apart once....so this is a good idea....

To tighten your trucks, I found that if you push on your trucks in one direction you get some tension and it kinda works versus taking your whole damn truck off......
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on August 28, 2017, 09:56:18 AM
jeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 28, 2017, 10:23:05 AM
jeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.


ACE are totally serviceable without Krux pins; it is suggested that you get some better pivot cups out of the gate tho. All stock cups in most trucks are shitty hard ass plastic that will get chewed up, just like stock bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on August 28, 2017, 10:50:51 AM
jeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.


Nah, they're good to rip stock.

I've never had a problem with Ace pivot cups and the stock bushings are great quality also. I change mine out of personable preference but they come ready to go unless you dwell on this thread too often.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bumpnrun on August 28, 2017, 11:21:45 AM
jeez... sounds like a lot of work just to get a set of aces serviceable.


Nah, they're good to rip stock.

I've never had a problem with Ace pivot cups and the stock bushings are great quality also. I change mine out of personable preference but they come ready to go unless you dwell on this thread too often.


It seems a lot of slap pals are nerds for truck modification LOL I'm just one of those guys that's fine with stock indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on August 28, 2017, 05:31:41 PM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on August 29, 2017, 01:36:03 AM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
They did.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 01, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
They did.

they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: saltusnaut on September 02, 2017, 01:39:40 AM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
They did.

they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.

Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 02, 2017, 09:29:44 AM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
They did.

they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.

Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts

Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on September 02, 2017, 03:14:55 PM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
They did.

they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.

Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts

Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.

You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.

But maybe yours were actually bent?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 02, 2017, 05:05:01 PM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
They did.

they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.

Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts

Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.

You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.

But maybe yours were actually bent?

well aware of the extra metal in the center. if you hold one tip of the axle straight, it curves to the other end. they are not straight.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on September 02, 2017, 09:31:50 PM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
They did.

they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.

Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts

Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.

You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.

But maybe yours were actually bent?

well aware of the extra metal in the center. if you hold one tip of the axle straight, it curves to the other end. they are not straight.
Can you put your wheels on?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 03, 2017, 10:13:35 AM
all the stock ace shit is fine. if the axles bent less, they'd be the best trucks on the market. Until they can rectify that, I'm on indy's with their aftermarket bushings.
They did.

they didn't. my 44 redesigns bent. bought a second set that came with axles that aren't straight. also those 38 special nuts rattle right off.

Are you saying the axles were bent when you got them? My current set have the 38 nuts and they stay on just as good as normal nuts

Yes. The axles were not straight when I got them. I had nothing but problems with the 38 nuts, they're not interlocking so they rattle off.

You are aware that they put more metal in the middle to last longer + push the grind out towards the wheels which makes them look bent, right? The actual axle is still straight inside it. I swear that's the worst mistake Ace ever did on purpose, everyone thinks they're bent.

But maybe yours were actually bent?

well aware of the extra metal in the center. if you hold one tip of the axle straight, it curves to the other end. they are not straight.
Can you put your wheels on?

yes. and wheels will roll just fine. When new wheels are put on those aces it is most apparent that something is wrong, as they are obviously tilted the wrong direction.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Spicy boi. on September 03, 2017, 07:15:56 PM
I'm done with aces, bent my axles on a pretty small ollie on a bank to flat
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: gumi on September 03, 2017, 11:22:46 PM
It's funny to me how you guys bend your axles constantly but Ronni raven Dela ect use them just fine
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 05, 2017, 12:53:05 AM
My aces make me nervous. I like the ride, but I get paranoid bombing hills and such. My rear axle seems uneven somehow, and they'r'e ready to explode at any moment.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Andmoreagain on September 05, 2017, 07:21:40 AM
best trucks ever and even better when the kingpin gets loooose wooo
ripping surfman ride
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaveFuck on September 05, 2017, 08:22:52 AM
I have some 44's (raw) with krux bushings that have been lightly skated that im willing to part ways with. hit me with a pm if youre interested
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on September 06, 2017, 06:03:43 PM
I have some 44's (raw) with krux bushings that have been lightly skated that im willing to part ways with. hit me with a pm if youre interested
see my classifieds post about the eS' seslas and let me know if you're down for a trade
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on October 06, 2017, 04:38:00 AM
How do you guys put those inverted kingpin on Aces ?
Also, I broke my pivot cups, changed them with the Krux but they seem to tight. I also had to cut them because they were too long but that's not really a problem. What pivot cup do you use to replace Aces ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 06, 2017, 10:56:48 AM
How do you guys put those inverted kingpin on Aces ?
Also, I broke my pivot cups, changed them with the Krux but they seem to tight. I also had to cut them because they were too long but that's not really a problem. What pivot cup do you use to replace Aces ?

Bang out ace kingpin
take krux pin and put into ace plate
screw on nut
pull kinpin up getting the bolt up/inside the baseplate
Get some epoxy (Steel stick works great, google it)
smoosh it in there around the metal of the nut and the baseplate (don't squish it into the nut's threaded area)

Krux cups only work in krux, they're so fucking tall and deform so oddly (in krux), they don't really blow out but get this odd crease like the truck only leans left and right (rather than turning)

Just pick up some ACE or Indy aftermarket cups, better yet Khiro (small) softs (they're a bit thicker than most) but seem to last a bit longer as they are not hard cheap plastic.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on October 06, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
I've bought some extra Ace pivot cups a while back when I ordered something somewhere. No idea what others work, but Ace ones at least are available somewhere. Ace stuff in general seems a bit hard to come by, especially in Europe.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gary Ate My Peanuts on October 06, 2017, 01:26:48 PM
I just went through a pair of 44's, broke the hanger because they were thin.

I like how they turn the best as opposed to indy and thunder, with thunder being a close second. Maybe I'm just fucked in the head but when I turn on a pair of indys I feel like because the pivot point is wider the turning is damper which is not the case with thunder or ace.

Plus the thin hanger is fuckin dope for mallgrabbing.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on October 08, 2017, 07:29:36 AM
It's funny to me how you guys bend your axles constantly but Ronni raven Dela ect use them just fine

How do you know they don't have problems?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on October 08, 2017, 09:53:41 AM
It's funny to me how you guys bend your axles constantly but Ronni raven Dela ect use them just fine

How do you know they don't have problems?
adding onto j.soy

how do you know they don't switch trucks frequently because they are sponsored?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on October 08, 2017, 10:13:52 AM
FWIW I've jumped down straight drops from about 6' up at 170lbs and I haven't bent an axle or cracked a baseplate yet. Hell, I haven't even so much as loosened the kingpin hole either.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on October 10, 2017, 10:54:47 AM
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on October 10, 2017, 11:10:50 AM
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?

I don't know about how much it would actually affect your skating, but when you hold it in your hand the difference is pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 10, 2017, 11:42:26 AM
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?

It's significant. More so than going from cast to forged.

EDIT: Unless the HI plates have sold old, they're only selling the Lo Plates (which you cannot interchange with HI hangers, sadly and they don't make the 44s in lo).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on October 10, 2017, 01:57:03 PM
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?

It's significant. More so than going from cast to forged.

EDIT: Unless the HI plates have sold old, they're only selling the Lo Plates (which you cannot interchange with HI hangers, sadly and they don't make the 44s in lo).

Good looking out, guys.  I missed the low distinction.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 10, 2017, 07:44:22 PM
I was looking for aftermarket bushings, and it looks like Socal is stocking the mag baseplates right now. I'm not really a weight weenie, but for those that have gone stock to mag plates, is it super noticeable weight-wise?

It's significant. More so than going from cast to forged.

EDIT: Unless the HI plates have sold old, they're only selling the Lo Plates (which you cannot interchange with HI hangers, sadly and they don't make the 44s in lo).

Good looking out, guys.  I missed the low distinction.

I was on that site in a heartbeat ready to buy the lot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on October 10, 2017, 07:55:29 PM


I was on that site in a heartbeat ready to buy the lot.
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Didn't mean to get anyone's hopes up.  My bad on my lack of attention to detail.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: N.L. on October 10, 2017, 08:04:16 PM
I nearly ordered the Mag base plates also but decided against that second donut instead.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bbk on October 11, 2017, 08:27:56 AM
Anyone skate 44's on 8.0 boards? I want to try ace's again,  havn't had it since I got 03's their first year, which I bent in the first few days, so I want the beefier hanger.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on October 11, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
Anyone skate 44's on 8.0 boards? I want to try ace's again,  havn't had it since I got 03's their first year, which I bent in the first few days, so I want the beefier hanger.

Narrowest I went with 44s was on an 8.125, wasn't bad but I didn't stick with it.

Why not just get 33s? Even without the beefier hanger they were (are?) less prone to bending.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: seb on November 12, 2017, 10:25:41 AM
I know itĎs been discussed here but canĎt remember if itĎs been solved. Anyway I figured out why some Aces make that anoying squeaking sound and how to fix it! I love how aces turn and feel, but this almost made me ditch them again.
But i finally realized the problem is the pivot cup moving in its socket. So I took them out, put some shoegoo in (the holes where the cups go), put the pivot cups back in and voilŠ - no more squeaking!
Such a relief after messing with my bushings and pivot cups forever to get rid of it.
Hope it helps if you have the same problem.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ChuckRamone on November 12, 2017, 11:21:15 AM
I know itĎs been discussed here but canĎt remember if itĎs been solved. Anyway I figured out why some Aces make that anoying squeaking sound and how to fix it! I love how aces turn and feel, but this almost made me ditch them again.
But i finally realized the problem is the pivot cup moving in its socket. So I took them out, put some shoegoo in (the holes where the cups go), put the pivot cups back in and voilŠ - no more squeaking!
Such a relief after messing with my bushings and pivot cups forever to get rid of it.
Hope it helps if you have the same problem.

but what about when you have to replace your pivot cups? won't there be stuff stuck in the pivot hole?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: seb on November 12, 2017, 01:37:25 PM
...

but what about when you have to replace your pivot cups? won't there be stuff stuck in the pivot hole?

I guess you can still do that. The first session after putting it in there most of it got pushed out again, so there shouldn't be much shoegoo left between the cup and baseplate. And there was just a minimal amount in there to begin with.
I'm about a month in and still no sqeaking by now. Just beyond stoked it worked so far and if it comes back I'll put some more in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 20, 2017, 06:33:50 AM
Just an update for anyone that cares: Ace has now eliminated the curved hanger and they are straight just like every truck out there. The 3/8Ē axle nuts are no longer included on the trucks, either. Theyíre back to regular nylock axle nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kitto Horsley on November 20, 2017, 10:12:15 AM
Having to buy a new set of trucks after leaving my board on a train so...I was wondering what bushings people would recommend if you couldn't get krux (seems to be slap's favourite, but I can't find them anywhere in the UK). On my last aces I had a bones medium on top and stock ace on the bottom which was fine but just seeing what others recommend. I'm tempted to try and just persevere with the stock bushings but its such a pain to break bushings in. Any suggestions welcomed!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on November 20, 2017, 10:38:09 AM
I tried a ton of different bushing setups on mine and by far the best have been stock Aces. It is indeed a bitch to break them in, but once you've done it, they're brilliant.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on November 20, 2017, 11:12:35 AM
Having to buy a new set of trucks after leaving my board on a train so...

You need a new leash brah, not new bushings... but Krux if you insist.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: seb on November 20, 2017, 01:08:27 PM
Try this:
Put your new bushings into hot (almost boiling) water for 10mins, set up your trucks and go skate immediately (at least push around making turns). Your bushings should feel broken in right away.

Or make fun of me and hate your new bushings for weeks. Your choice.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on November 20, 2017, 08:41:10 PM
indy super soft.  swerve immediately.

although i do have a stock top (nutside) that i sanded about a millimeter off of on the back for a little stability.

sanding bushings down is a nightmare though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chodekaka on November 20, 2017, 09:35:30 PM
I found that ace stock bushings are the best bushings I have tried really, and I was also pleasantly surprised that “breaking them in” was nothing like other trucks. For me ace have been strange, everyone says they are squirrelly and loose but I found them to be more stable and predictable than Indy’s, amazing bushings and broken in within hours. By far the best trucks I have used, finally a truck I can just buy and use stock. I’m 6 foot 3 and 220lbs usually I have to put in hard bushings and tighten them down to get enough stability from Indy’s and I am running stock ace bushings with only one thread showing on the kingpin. So almost flush. Also the quality of ace bushings is definitely above the others. On stock Indy bushings you can see air bubbles and the edges are usually fraying a bit, but ace bushings have no fraying edges, no bubbles, it’s hard to describe but they seem to be way better quality. I think it’s fucking bullshit honestly that teams of engineers designing trucks still use shit bushings but will make them “1mm taller” or put a hollow kingpin in a cast baseplate. These guys could put in better bushings but I’m convinced they don’t so that bones bushings can market theirs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on November 20, 2017, 11:18:22 PM
If I wasn't using a krux top bushing, I'd be running the stock top instead of anything else. But the krux top is so worth it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 21, 2017, 11:24:48 AM
I weight about 210lbs and Krux bushings, although great quality, they gave me wheelbite galore on my Aceís. The trick I found is just keep their stock bottom bushing on with the stock bottom washer, and use any shorter top bushing of your liking. If you just keep the stock Ace top bushing on but remove the washer, it makes your board sound dead even if you tighten it down enough, therefore needing a different top bushing and washer comes into play. I use a black Indy hard for my top bushing on my Aceís and the washer rattles and spins while I ride and the sound alone gets me pumped. Itís crazy because with this combo I have hardly any wheelbite even though my back truck is loose as hell and my front even looser with a slight amount of hanger wobble and rattling washers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on November 21, 2017, 08:52:20 PM
  How come no ones doing the bones bushings in aces?  Thats what I put in there and they worked. (I'd still ride those but there bent)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on November 21, 2017, 10:24:22 PM
Bones bushings are way too short and affect the geometry of Aceís. Even when I put a washer underneath the bottom bushing it was still shorter than the stock one without its washer. Bones work great if you donít care about the geometry and want insanely wobbly loose. I think Matt Rodriguez stopped cutting his bushings and just started using the Bones if my eyes saw correctly in a picture. I could see the plastic cores from the Bones bushings.

I also got insane wheelbite using Bones. Now, using a stock bottom bushing with a bones medium top worked great...until I slappied a dozen times and the top bones bushing shredded from the core. In general, I donít think Bones bushings are worth what you pay for. One of the most expensive bushings on the market and they separate from the core or deform easily unless you buy the hards, and those take awhile to break in. Pure urethane bushings are the way to go, just gotta find the right duro and shape that suits you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 21, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
  How come no ones doing the bones bushings in aces?  Thats what I put in there and they worked. (I'd still ride those but there bent)

I ran bones hards in my ACE lows, loved it once they broke in, ACES force bones hards to turn :)

I've also ran bones meds in aces with proper height washers, works fine...currently running mini logo softs in aces with washers (same height as stock) and it's great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on November 22, 2017, 05:30:02 AM
Do the axles still slip?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on November 22, 2017, 06:29:41 AM
Do the axles still slip?

I mostly do flip tricks, and Iíve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on November 22, 2017, 06:39:45 AM
Do the axles still slip?

I mostly do flip tricks, and Iíve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.

Mine were caught slippin' after a month of use. Not the Indy throwback I had in mind.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on November 22, 2017, 07:45:57 AM
Do the axles still slip?

I mostly do flip tricks, and Iíve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.

Mine were caught slippin' after a month of use. Not the Indy throwback I had in mind.

Iím not gonna tell you how to spend your money, or to try out another pair, but Iíve skated 2 sets of 03ís, a set of 44ís and a set of 55ís with no issue. Mine were all purchased within the last year. Weíre you riding an older set?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 22, 2017, 07:57:19 AM
Do the axles still slip?

I mostly do flip tricks, and I’ve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.

Mine were caught slippin' after a month of use. Not the Indy throwback I had in mind.

I’m not gonna tell you how to spend your money, or to try out another pair, but I’ve skated 2 sets of 03’s, a set of 44’s and a set of 55’s with no issue. Mine were all purchased within the last year. We’re you riding an older set?

Over the years I've ridden 03s 33s 44s 55s 66s all with no slippage and only one set of [old] 44s bent, sent them in and asked for the set of '03s and they obliged.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on November 22, 2017, 08:52:26 AM
I found that it wasn't flipping my board that caused axel slippage....it was not landing it.....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Garth Marenghi on November 22, 2017, 11:19:04 AM
Do the axles still slip?

I mostly do flip tricks, and Iíve never had the axles slip on my Aces fwiw.

Mine were caught slippin' after a month of use. Not the Indy throwback I had in mind.

Iím not gonna tell you how to spend your money, or to try out another pair, but Iíve skated 2 sets of 03ís, a set of 44ís and a set of 55ís with no issue. Mine were all purchased within the last year. Weíre you riding an older set?

Been at least three years so yes, definitely an older set. No one seems to sell them around here anymore, though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Kitto Horsley on November 23, 2017, 02:39:46 AM
Thanks for the help guys. Just going to keep everything stock
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on November 25, 2017, 11:54:06 AM
On my current set up I have a bones soft top and stock ace on my front truck and old worn in indy brushings in the back truck. Works for me even though it looks strange :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on November 25, 2017, 12:32:00 PM
Are Ace stock bushings anything similar to the stock Krux ones? I'm a huge fan of the latter
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 25, 2017, 03:06:49 PM
Are Ace stock bushings anything similar to the stock Krux ones? I'm a huge fan of the latter

Same bottom barrel height, ACE tops are much taller than krux (and pretty much everything else); Krux are softer (and same duro top and bottom), ACE used to be different duros, not sure about now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on November 25, 2017, 04:15:42 PM
Are Ace stock bushings anything similar to the stock Krux ones? I'm a huge fan of the latter

Same bottom barrel height, ACE tops are much taller than krux (and pretty much everything else); Krux are softer (and same duro top and bottom), ACE used to be different duros, not sure about now.
Ohh okay, I like the sound of that. I know Krux and Indy stock bushings supposedly have the same duro but Krux are definitely harder. I'm most likely gonna pick up a new complete w/ Aces so I can't wait to see how they feel
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DM on November 25, 2017, 08:01:16 PM
Thanks for the help guys. Just going to keep everything stock
I'm UK and pretty certain I got my krux from Amazon matey : EDIT Just seen postage, I didnt pay that much :(  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Skateboard-Accessories-Krux-Cushions-Bushings/dp/B01BWN3OCE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511668659&sr=8-1&keywords=krux+bushings
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DM on November 26, 2017, 02:04:25 AM
Cheaper here https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/362164173409?chn=ps&dispctrl=1&adgroupid=46781198765&rlsatarget=pla-378868097987&abcId=1129946&adtype=pla&merchantid=114892386&poi=&googleloc=1006476&device=c&campaignid=974199509&crdt=0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: full of jerks on November 26, 2017, 04:44:47 PM
I'm using the stock bottom bushing and a bones bottom bushing with the flat washer on top (roadside).  Fits/Works good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nallid on November 26, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
If you loosen your sit a half a turn from stock you won't need to fuck with the bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on November 29, 2017, 03:38:27 PM
Been thinking about trying out aces for a while now. I'm currently having my semi annual truck/board size crisis and have been thinking about stepping back down to a 8 from an 8.25. I usually rock the indy aftermarket super soft bushings in any truck I ride. Anyone ever put them in aces? Also, anyone currently riding the 33s? I feel like i mostly see the 44s and up on here.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on November 29, 2017, 03:56:17 PM
Been thinking about trying out aces for a while now. I'm currently having my semi annual truck/board size crisis and have been thinking about stepping back down to a 8 from an 8.25. I usually rock the indy aftermarket super soft bushings in any truck I ride. Anyone ever put them in aces? Also, anyone currently riding the 33s? I feel like i mostly see the 44s and up on here.

A few people I know skate the 33s on 7.75 or 8 inch boards but they're not gear nerds so don't have much of an opinion. 44s would work much better for 8.25 anyway. If you like the super soft bushings you might wanna get krux bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on November 29, 2017, 04:13:19 PM
Are the separate krux bushings different from the ones that come stock with their trucks? I tried running krux this time last year and couldn't get those things to break in for the life of me, way too hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on November 29, 2017, 08:18:14 PM
Are the separate krux bushings different from the ones that come stock with their trucks? I tried running krux this time last year and couldn't get those things to break in for the life of me, way too hard.

I think the krux bushings most people put in aces are these:
https://www.tactics.com/krux/worlds-best-cushions/white-medium
I can't say for sure with krux but aftermarket bushings are generally of higher quality than stock given my experience with indy and thunder ones. And these krux ones are definitely softer than the stock ace bushings, by a lot.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on November 29, 2017, 09:25:45 PM
I think they're the same that come stock in Krux. However, they behave very differently in Aces. Don't judge them on how they perform in Krux trucks as silly as that sounds... If you like it loose to just before the point of rattle, Krux in Aces is a winning combo.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on November 30, 2017, 05:00:53 PM
Rode Aces for the first time today and they're amazing. For such a loose surfy truck, they're so stable. I think I'll be able to get away with loosening them a bit more than I would with Indys
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on November 30, 2017, 07:09:53 PM
Rode Aces for the first time today and they're amazing. For such a loose surfy truck, they're so stable. I think I'll be able to get away with loosening them a bit more than I would with Indys

You can for sure, that's the beauty of trucks being able to turn, you don't need them wobbly loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on November 30, 2017, 09:47:29 PM
Rode Aces for the first time today and they're amazing. For such a loose surfy truck, they're so stable. I think I'll be able to get away with loosening them a bit more than I would with Indys

On the other hand, no matter how much you tighten aces, they will still turn. Really underrated truck.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on December 03, 2017, 05:10:19 PM
Replacement hangers?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 04, 2017, 06:14:59 AM
Has anyone skated the low Ace 03ís? How do they turn/grind compared to the hiís? Looks like the kingpin is longer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on December 04, 2017, 08:18:10 AM
I had the Ace 03 Lows and didn't care for them. The kingpin is pretty tall and doesn't have much clearance. The lowered height doesn't seem to jive with the geometry and turning radius of the truck. I experienced a fair amount of wheelbite using both Bones Mediums and the Ace stock bushings.

I would say go with the standard height 33's

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 04, 2017, 05:02:20 PM
they don't have the 66 (9 1/2) on the site anymore.  I facebooked them about it and am awaiting their reply.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: full of jerks on December 04, 2017, 10:02:22 PM
they don't have the 66 (9 1/2) on the site anymore.  I facebooked them about it and am awaiting their reply.

Skate Warehouse has them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on December 05, 2017, 10:59:16 AM
Just an update for anyone that cares: Ace has now eliminated the curved hanger and they are straight just like every truck out there. The 3/8Ē axle nuts are no longer included on the trucks, either. Theyíre back to regular nylock axle nuts.

I've heard about this too.  They have changed manufacturers all together and are using a different metal.  It looks stronger, but I've just seen them and have yet to test it out.  The hangers are straighter and yeah they got rid of the 3/8 gimmick nuts that would slip off.  I heard they have also improved the stock bushings as well.  Can't wait to try it out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 05, 2017, 01:43:02 PM
Just make some Grind King style kingpins and call it a day...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on December 05, 2017, 08:06:48 PM
they don't have the 66 (9 1/2) on the site anymore.  I facebooked them about it and am awaiting their reply.

Skate Warehouse has them.
thanks for that,  I heard the new ones are stronger and am scared the skate warehouse ones are the old ones.  If ace don't have new ones I might oreder the skate warehouse ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 05, 2017, 09:29:02 PM
3/8 gimmick nuts that would slip off.

For the record, i've been riding trucks with these since march and not a once have they come off
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: m477 on December 05, 2017, 09:32:16 PM
I have the newer version of Ace 44, got them from SoCal skate shop. They are indeed flat and have a new flitter type silver color. They also seem heavier than before, I put them on my crude kitchen scale and they were dead on the same weight as my nearly new Indy 149
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on December 05, 2017, 10:21:50 PM
Has anyone skated the low Ace 03ís? How do they turn/grind compared to the hiís? Looks like the kingpin is longer.

Theyíre meh, theyíre like a tighter less bulk feeling Indy low.

The only thing I really liked about them was the way the baseplate locked in for slides cause I guess how the ace geo pushes the hangar in and reduces the wb too, but low and pushed in wheel base was a bad combo

Didnít feel good, as the other guy said stick to the 33 cause the ace geo doesnít mix with low center of gravity
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on December 06, 2017, 09:31:20 AM
Just adding on here but fuck the 38 specials. I was on a mellow downhill and i see my nut fly off and 2 seconds later my wheel flys off and i barely missed eating pavement.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: layzieyez on December 06, 2017, 01:08:59 PM
3/8 gimmick nuts that would slip off.

For the record, i've been riding trucks with these since march and not a once have they come off
I've had good luck with mine, too. Replaced the axle nuts in a few setups to these and none of them have fallen off.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on December 06, 2017, 01:18:25 PM
Just adding on here but fuck the 38 specials. I was on a mellow downhill and i see my nut fly off and 2 seconds later my wheel flys off and i barely missed eating pavement.

Same here. Threw my board down on the street, nut fell off, wheel fell off, faceplanted and almost got run over by the bus behind me. Thought it was really cool but not worth the risk.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on December 06, 2017, 02:17:22 PM
Yikes, I'm riding 38 specials. Maybe I'll just put a bit of loctite on them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 06, 2017, 02:31:55 PM
Yikes, I'm riding 38 specials. Maybe I'll just put a bit of loctite on them

Have you got them axle flush or a little poking out? because sitting flush they dont work
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
Last set picked up I swapped the special nuts off first thing...can't see how anyone thought it was a good idea...puts some nylon in them bitches...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 06, 2017, 06:05:49 PM
Although I did state Ace said they now make the hangers straight, I did happen to check out a set of the new forest green ones. They have regular nylock nuts on the axles, but still had the ever so slightly curved ďrockerĒ in the hanger. Just as much as a set of ones that came stock with the .38 specials. So it seems again, you have to take everything Ace claims with a grain of salt.

Iíve yet to have any problems with bending or axle slip, from their old design to the new ones. Curved hanger or not, they both work fine. They just need to focus on a stricter quality control, with hangers and axles coming out even. Especially making sure the axle facings arenít all wavey, deformed looking, and oval-like. If you pay attention youíll notice some sets look sloppy at the shop.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on December 07, 2017, 12:47:37 AM
Yikes, I'm riding 38 specials. Maybe I'll just put a bit of loctite on them

Have you got them axle flush or a little poking out? because sitting flush they dont work
Nah there's a little axle sticking out on all of them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: alraunen on December 08, 2017, 12:45:55 PM
I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: bluntstofakie on December 08, 2017, 04:00:39 PM
I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!
They are indeed 8.875
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lt. Frank Drebin on December 08, 2017, 05:42:49 PM
I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!

I made the switch, flip tricks for sure feel different and take some getting used to even on the same deck, it really switches up the wheelbase. Aces are stable for sure, but turn easily and it's a much deeper turn, so it's a different sensation from Thunders. I think you'll be stoked on the switch though, plus you get to show everyone at the park how cool you are by skating the widest and loosest trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on December 09, 2017, 02:26:03 AM
Yikes, I'm riding 38 specials. Maybe I'll just put a bit of loctite on them

Have you got them axle flush or a little poking out? because sitting flush they dont work

I used to make sure the axles were always flush with the nuts. I tried to do it on the 38 specials and yeah it didn't work. I tightened them a little more and they've been fine ever since. No stripped axle either.

Ace updated their stock bushings with something a little more softer. They didn't mention the duro, but they are softer. Their past stock bushings have been fine, once broken in they're great.

Love the 44s on 8 and 8.125.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: alraunen on December 09, 2017, 09:54:42 AM
I'm currently riding thunders 151 with a 8,75 board but I'm really tempted to buy a set of Aces (thanks slap). Does anyone moved from Thunders 151/Indys 159 to the Ace 55? Can someone confirm that the 55 are 8,875? Thanks!

I made the switch, flip tricks for sure feel different and take some getting used to even on the same deck, it really switches up the wheelbase. Aces are stable for sure, but turn easily and it's a much deeper turn, so it's a different sensation from Thunders. I think you'll be stoked on the switch though, plus you get to show everyone at the park how cool you are by skating the widest and loosest trucks.

I'm very interested in look cool at the park, definitely I'm getting them, thanks for the answers pals! 🙌
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 09, 2017, 05:32:40 PM
Loose kingpin again... on my 55s... Not sure it matters to me but it might to you....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 13, 2017, 07:09:49 AM
I never noticed when I saw the new ones in the flesh, but now that Iím seeing a bunch of photos of the newly released Aceís, they kinda made the hanger look a bit like a Theeve now, which Iím not sure if I like because Ace always had a distinct look and shape. The 33ís also have a wider ďVĒ stemming from the pivot up to the hanger, for anyone that cares who nerds out on stupid crap like me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 13, 2017, 07:12:32 AM
I never noticed when I saw the new ones in the flesh, but now that Iím seeing a bunch of photos of the newly released Aceís, they kinda made the hanger look a bit like a Theeve now, which Iím not sure if I like because Ace always had a distinct look and shape. The 33ís also have a wider ďVĒ stemming from the pivot up to the hanger, for anyone that cares who nerds out on stupid crap like me.

Yeah, the wider V was for better reinforcement (bending).  I guess the TiH theeves still use that slim design due to the metal used.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 14, 2017, 11:24:25 AM
https://www.acetrucks.com/ (https://www.acetrucks.com/)
"Constructed from pure 7071 series aluminum
Heat-treated 3056 series steel axles."

Is this the same metal they've always used?

I'm not expert but isn't this better quality than Indy's aluminum?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on December 15, 2017, 03:21:53 PM
Saw this guy on the threads a while ago and he showed up on the related videos and I figured why not post it here
P.S. He's on to us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeWp3VJn7tE
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: nopes on December 16, 2017, 06:21:31 PM
He has posted on the photo forum
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 17, 2017, 02:14:12 PM
Thanks for the post LRFC! Didnít even know they had their website up and running...finally. So theyíre 52mm tall??? Always thought they were at 53mm? Seems like after all this time theyíre really striving to get their shit together and itís nice theyíve come out with actual info on their metal quality and specifications.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 17, 2017, 02:16:15 PM
Thanks for the post LRFC! Didnít even know they had their website up and running...finally. So theyíre 52mm tall??? Always thought they were at 53mm? Seems like after all this time theyíre really striving to get their shit together and itís nice theyíve come out with actual info on their metal quality and specifications.

Probably cause they realized a lot of people love the way aces ride, but they were kinda shit for quality/consistency for a while.

Even though they're my third choice behind thunder and indy, I still keep my curved hanger-44's on an 8.0. I'll keep riding them now and then for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 17, 2017, 02:20:51 PM
Ive truly fucked myself. I can't ride any other trucks. Quality control be damned. I'll risk it for Ace.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on December 17, 2017, 02:33:00 PM
Ive truly fucked myself. I can't ride any other trucks. Quality control be damned. I'll risk it for Ace.

It's the geometry methinks. They just hit a sweet spot! It's not my preferential spot, but I can appreciate it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on December 17, 2017, 03:05:29 PM
Ive truly fucked myself. I can't ride any other trucks. Quality control be damned. I'll risk it for Ace.

The turn is just exceptional. The height and width work well for me, too. Indies are too high and Thunders are too low for me. Also the extended wheelbase with Thunders really fucked up all of my flip tricks. Indies just feel sluggish and boring to me now, even after skating them for years and years.

My first set of 44s got axle slip after a year (first time I've ever experienced this), but I bought another set immediately after. Hopefully this pair will last a little longer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2017, 09:14:55 AM
I wonder what the new 'classic' tagline means...

52mm?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on December 18, 2017, 11:23:40 AM
I wonder what the new 'classic' tagline means...

52mm?

No clue on actual height, but probably just marketing.  I like the height where it is though. I'd love to see them come out with different aftermarket bushing durometers.  I'm a tall lanky thing and the stock bushings were right where I wanted them for 2 or 3 weeks after the initial break in and then got a bit squishy.  I think running 44's on an 8.5 didn't help though.  On the Quasi 8.5 shape they were close to perfect because of the taper, but after winter this year I'll definitely be looking to size down a hair to fit the trucks better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on December 20, 2017, 12:07:57 AM
Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DaveFuck on December 20, 2017, 09:42:14 PM
Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
the krux bushings are a  game changer fasho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on December 21, 2017, 11:29:00 AM
Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
the krux bushings are a  game changer fasho

Just tried the Krux cushions and they're super loose. The carve is so much deeper than the stock I almost get wheel bite. Really different but very nice, I'll just have to get used to it...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on December 21, 2017, 12:31:39 PM
Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
the krux bushings are a  game changer fasho

Just tried the Krux cushions and they're super loose. The carve is so much deeper than the stock I almost get wheel bite. Really different but very nice, I'll just have to get used to it...

If it's too loose or squirrelly for your liking, the bones medium are a nice alternative that still maintains the excellent turn without being thaaaat loose.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 21, 2017, 03:02:00 PM
I'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.

Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?

" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on December 22, 2017, 01:09:44 AM
I'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.

Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?

" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."

If they make the same beefed up hanger with a hollow axel, hollow kingpin mag plate with a raw finish, new updated/improved stock bushing and pivot cup, it would be the hands down best truck on the market.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on December 22, 2017, 07:57:51 AM
Has anyone tried the new design yet to compare/contrast to the older design? I rode an older model 33 and they were great but the axle nuts kept loosening and popping off, causing me to slam and then search for the lock nuts, so I traded them in for Indys. The Indys are great but feel so tight and un-flowy now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on December 22, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
Weird, I never had axle nut issues on any model.or stage.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on December 22, 2017, 11:20:36 AM
Has anyone tried the new design yet to compare/contrast to the older design? I rode an older model 33 and they were great but the axle nuts kept loosening and popping off, causing me to slam and then search for the lock nuts, so I traded them in for Indys. The Indys are great but feel so tight and un-flowy now.

Those axle nuts are the 38 specials and they're fucking garbage. Just switch out the nuts and you'll be good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 22, 2017, 11:02:00 PM
Sorry if Iíve already asked this question, but since Iíve already broken baseplates at the pivot point in my Aceís from slappies, does anyone whoís used the magnesium baseplates or knows about metal strength know if the chances would be higher of them breaking compared to cast aluminum baseplates?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on December 22, 2017, 11:24:09 PM
Sorry if Iíve already asked this question, but since Iíve already broken baseplates at the pivot point in my Aceís from slappies, does anyone whoís used the magnesium baseplates or knows about metal strength know if the chances would be higher of them breaking compared to cast aluminum baseplates?
mag plates will break easier.  one of the reasons that ace stopped making them is because they would often crack in transit
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vancanman on December 22, 2017, 11:51:21 PM
Saw this guy on the threads a while ago and he showed up on the related videos and I figured why not post it here
P.S. He's on to us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeWp3VJn7tE

Fun fact. This is ted degros brother.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on December 23, 2017, 04:07:37 PM
Bought and broke in the 44's with new sets of pivot cups in them. Used to be a die hard Indy fan, now Ace is where it's at. Going to give these bushings a bit longer and then I'll try the Krux replacements. If they ever restock or re-release them, the mag plates would be sick!
the krux bushings are a  game changer fasho

Just tried the Krux cushions and they're super loose. The carve is so much deeper than the stock I almost get wheel bite. Really different but very nice, I'll just have to get used to it...
Krux are nice right off the bat but the stock bushings are amazing once you break them in. They just take forever to break in.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on December 23, 2017, 07:46:17 PM
Sorry if Iíve already asked this question, but since Iíve already broken baseplates at the pivot point in my Aceís from slappies, does anyone whoís used the magnesium baseplates or knows about metal strength know if the chances would be higher of them breaking compared to cast aluminum baseplates?
mag plates will break easier.  one of the reasons that ace stopped making them is because they would often crack in transit

Dang! Thatís a bummer. Wish theyíd make a forged plate already...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on December 24, 2017, 05:40:36 AM
I'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.

Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?

" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."

If they make the same beefed up hanger with a hollow axel, hollow kingpin mag plate with a raw finish, new updated/improved stock bushing and pivot cup, it would be the hands down best truck on the market.

For some reason I like that they only have the real boy shit and that's what you have to ride, no hollow light shiny zumiez kid gear.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on December 25, 2017, 05:45:36 PM
I'm running soft (green) mini logos in my 44s, very nice, probably on par with the krux.

Also, from ACE via a month old FB post asking if we'll ever see mag plates again...still, there's hope for something! Hollows? Forged?

" it does not seem likely but we will develop another lightweeight technology in the future. Thanks for your interest in Ace."

If they make the same beefed up hanger with a hollow axel, hollow kingpin mag plate with a raw finish, new updated/improved stock bushing and pivot cup, it would be the hands down best truck on the market.

For some reason I like that they only have the real boy shit and that's what you have to ride, no hollow light shiny zumiez kid gear.

That extra weight savings tho
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 25, 2017, 06:36:15 PM
I got some Krux Downlow allenhead kingpins and the white 92a bushings. I did both set, 44's and 55's. The bushings came with pivot cups, which Ive already had replaced the 44's twice now. They were a little tall, so I took a razor and trimmed them flush. JB welded the kingpin nut in the baseplate and let sit overnight. IT had just enough bite to get the trucks back together without having to shave the bushings. I did add a bit of loc-tite to the threads just for a bit of assurance. Skated the next day. Still loose, but way more stable and my front truck isnt flopping around anymore. Hope I'll get a bit more life outta these trucks. Pool coping blasted through the knuckles and Smiths lock in without that crazy nut scrape. Ledge and curb tricks felt the same too. The 55's came out great too, but I really dont skate that set up much, so I need to break them in a bit better.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on December 29, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
Just got some new 44s. Can confirm they now come with softer stock bushings. Not tried yet but these might save the aftermarket Krux dilemma...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Just Giver on December 30, 2017, 08:12:44 AM
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on December 30, 2017, 09:17:30 AM
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.

I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Just Giver on December 30, 2017, 09:51:48 AM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on December 30, 2017, 09:55:55 AM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.

Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 30, 2017, 01:24:12 PM
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.

I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE

I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on December 30, 2017, 07:46:37 PM
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.

I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE

I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...

Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 31, 2017, 08:27:59 AM
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.

I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE

I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...

Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on December 31, 2017, 08:38:00 AM
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.

I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE

I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...

Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?

The whole process was just an evening in the garage with a few beers. Pretty easy. I think the trucks are pretty much the same as before, but way more stable.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Cherb on January 04, 2018, 03:55:39 AM
I picked up my first pair of Aces during Pitcrew's final sale.  They're 55s and appear to be the older slimmer model; I got them for an 8.88 Heroin Shovel Egg shape.  I purchased some of those Krux after market bushings because I read that they would make them nice and loose.  I wanted to know if it would work to run those Krux bushings in ACE 55s without the bottom washer, I have always removed the bottom washer in my Indies as a force of habit.  I am also wondering if it would be worth it to replace the pivot cup in the ACEs with the pivot cups that come with the Krux bushings right away or if I should wait until the stock pivot cups blow out?  Sorry if the answers to some of these questions are further back in the thread, I couldn't find them.

I don't recommend to take off any washers when you keep the stock bottom bushing and add a krux top bushing, you'll have a lil extra kingpin to loosen to your liking anyway. Also the krux pivot cups won't fit in ACEs, the stocks will blow out quick. If you're going to replace the pivot cups buy Khiro small softs they're the best for ACE

I just redid my 44's and 55's with Krux kingpins, bushings and pivot cups. I have them both skating back to how they were, but just not all floppy. Way more stable, but still nice and loose. I dont really feel much difference in the geometry or turning performance. The Krux pivot cups def aren't shaped the same as Ace stocks, but I made them work. Tapped them down and trimmed of the top. The 44's needed it, so I did the 55's at the same time.

I posted a before and after on the previous page with some photos...

Can you post a pic of what the trimmed krux pivot cup looks like in the truck? I have some, not sure if it's worth the effort putting them in, does it make a difference?
I'f you're fitting to get wild get the riptide pivot cups. They are fucking orgasmic. I've got them in my 44's and 66's. They make turns so much more buttery I was seriously surprised. But I've also trimmed down the kruk pivot cups by sanding them down on some grip of an old board and it took fucking forever, but they were still pretty good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on January 04, 2018, 05:02:33 AM
Krux pivot cup were soft enough but too tight for Aces in my opinion.
I skated them a few weeks but got back to stock Ace pivot cup.

I like wobbling trucks...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 04, 2018, 07:53:00 PM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.

Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.

I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 04, 2018, 08:47:45 PM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.

Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.

I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!

I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on January 05, 2018, 08:13:04 AM
Latest stock bushings are even better. No more need for Krux aftermarkets.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 05, 2018, 07:02:50 PM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.

Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.

I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!

I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!

I find them much to hard.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thom on January 07, 2018, 03:49:45 PM
Shortys bushings are a little too short for ACE trucks which makes for a really good wiggle + you can choose whichever duro suits you.

I ride red on the back yellow up front
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 07, 2018, 04:22:39 PM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.

Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.

I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!

I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!

I find them much to hard.

If anything I'd think too soft! How much do you weigh? Im 175
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 07, 2018, 06:59:42 PM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.

Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.

I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!

I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!

I find them much to hard.

If anything I'd think too soft! How much do you weigh? Im 175

I hover about around 180 but I like my trucks looseygoosey.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on January 07, 2018, 07:14:56 PM
So I should leave the bottom bushing stock and only use the Krux bushing on top?  I was planning on using the Krux bushings for all four bushings.

Yes stock bottom, krux top. The Krux bottoms are shorter than the stock aces and will feel all fucked up when you skate it. Using the stock bottom bushing will keep the trucks geometry the same.

I know we geek out on this shit but most of the time you see the ACE pilots they're either running stock of bones!

I never had any trouble with the stock ACE bushings!

I find them much to hard.

If anything I'd think too soft! How much do you weigh? Im 175

I hover about around 180 but I like my trucks looseygoosey.

Ahh that's probably it, I'm a medium-tight guy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lee Ralph Fan Club on January 08, 2018, 09:19:31 AM
Its probably b/c the new stock bushings are also a lot softer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on January 12, 2018, 12:46:28 AM
Can confirm that the new ACE's come with softer bushings, they feel really nice I'm probably going to stick with these.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thrash-trash on January 12, 2018, 07:31:42 AM
Not that I shop at CCS, I usually look for shoe sales, but  for shits and giggles, I looked up the Aces they have listed. Looks like there is a new dimple next to the number stamps on the hangers close to the axle. Are these the "New" ones?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 13, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
The dimple is most likely just a random tiny cosmetic dent that all trucks have on them somewhere. You can tell the new ones by just looking at the V stemming from the pivot. Is has a different look to it now, almost looks like a theeve.

Side note: I have a set of old design slim Ace 44ís brand new if anyone wants them. $35 shipped USA only.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on January 14, 2018, 11:19:44 AM
You can tell the new ones by just looking at the V stemming from the pivot. Is has a different look to it now, almost looks like a theeve.


Yeah I thought I noticed something different about the V, it's definitely feels thicker to the touch compared to the old ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2018, 04:43:11 PM
On a whim I picked up some 90A Thunder bushings (the clear gold ones) to throw in my 44s (coupled with riptide cups) and I'm blown away how good they feel, especially not being fan of thunder bushings IN thunder trucks as they always feel too tight stock and I can't loosen them enough without the nut falling off.

The thunder bottom bushing is the same height as stock ACE bottoms which is pretty tall to begin with. Top is much shorter so with the krux pin = lots of clearance.

Prior, I was using bones meds/riptides and it just felt off somehow, like they would tip into the turn vs flow into it, but they were more responsive this way than using the Mini logo bushings; and I doubt the 1-2 mm height difference in bottom bushings would affect geo that much, let alone the 2 duro difference betwixt the bones (91) and thunders (90).

Felt broken in from the start given how turny the truck are, super smooth and not squirrley or tippy feeling. Worth a shot if you have them kicking around.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: baravettski on January 29, 2018, 04:03:21 PM
I got some ace 44s and have shaved down stock Thunder top bushings (blue ones) and the bottoms and pivots are stock Ace. I had them on a hood cruiser with some keyframes but then put em on a normal setup and I've been digging it. They are pretty damn loose though so I've been tightening em about 1/8th of a turn a time then skating for a while to see how I like it. Digging em so far...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 29, 2018, 08:25:39 PM
I still really want mag plates even though Iíll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 30, 2018, 04:06:04 AM
I still really want mag plates even though Iíll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.

http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

Itís a Swedish shop though, so if youíre outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on January 30, 2018, 07:15:32 AM
How are ace's out of the box, specifically the 44's? I've had my thunders for three years now and whilst I really like them and the groove i've worn into them at this point they're just a headache; snapped a kingpin, replaced it but it's never really sat right in the hole causing the back truck to occasionally freak the fuck out and wobble, mounting holes are fairly worn out too. bought one of the rebuild kits in the hope it'd sort it out but the back ends still dodgy so I just want some trucks I can slap on and not have to worry about.

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/ace-44s-raw-skateboard-truck-5-75-p6473
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ungzilla on January 30, 2018, 08:20:07 AM
it sounds like what you actually want is trucks that somehow last forever
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on January 30, 2018, 08:34:34 AM
hahaha naw it's just in the years i've had thunders while they're good when they're good i've always just had issues with bushings and it's lame having to constantly having to adjust your shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on January 30, 2018, 09:36:06 AM
How are ace's out of the box, specifically the 44's? I've had my thunders for three years now and whilst I really like them and the groove i've worn into them at this point they're just a headache; snapped a kingpin, replaced it but it's never really sat right in the hole causing the back truck to occasionally freak the fuck out and wobble, mounting holes are fairly worn out too. bought one of the rebuild kits in the hope it'd sort it out but the back ends still dodgy so I just want some trucks I can slap on and not have to worry about.

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-trucks-c18/ace-44s-raw-skateboard-truck-5-75-p6473

They're awesome but night and day compared to Thunders, while they are more responsive they actually turn instead sharply lean.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on January 30, 2018, 09:44:14 AM
I still really want mag plates even though Iíll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.

http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

Itís a Swedish shop though, so if youíre outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.

Damn! Yeah man Iím in the USA and donít even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on January 30, 2018, 10:13:02 AM
I still really want mag plates even though Iíll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.

http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

Itís a Swedish shop though, so if youíre outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.

Damn! Yeah man Iím in the USA and donít even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.

Not really. I'm from Finland and I do know some Swedish as it's mandatory to learn in school here but I absolutely suck at it. I ordered a pair from there about a year ago. I sent the dude an email and worked it all out with him in English. Dude was very helpful. Here's the contact page:
http://www.skateprylar.se/kundservice/
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on January 31, 2018, 03:18:59 PM
Ace heading to Ermico?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: micky682 on January 31, 2018, 05:50:13 PM
Ace heading to Ermico?
if they do then theyíd be better trucks then Indys.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2018, 09:19:37 AM
The new [correct] size chart?

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27072324_10156053659945912_7271568453773247011_n.jpg?oh=0192eb8b3db5549377df7b9ceb40e6ff&oe=5AD9BF1B)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 01, 2018, 11:52:27 AM
44's are such a perfect, but awkward width.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on February 01, 2018, 12:14:01 PM
44s 8 3/8" which is 8.375 which should get rounded up to 8.38 not 8.35 (doesn't matter a  shit but c'mon, basic maths)

And I believe 55s are still 8 7/8"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on February 01, 2018, 12:27:12 PM
44s 8 3/8" which is 8.375 which should get rounded up to 8.38 not 8.35 (doesn't matter a  shit but c'mon, basic maths)

And I believe 55s are still 8 7/8"

I didn't even think of that. Me and Ace are retarded.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 01, 2018, 01:35:53 PM
I still really want mag plates even though Iíll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.

http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

Itís a Swedish shop though, so if youíre outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.

Damn! Yeah man Iím in the USA and donít even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.

Not really. I'm from Finland and I do know some Swedish as it's mandatory to learn in school here but I absolutely suck at it. I ordered a pair from there about a year ago. I sent the dude an email and worked it all out with him in English. Dude was very helpful. Here's the contact page:
http://www.skateprylar.se/kundservice/

I contacted him and heís a super nice guy, great customer service. However, after shipping itís $50 in USD here which is the price of a brand new pair of trucks. Not worth it for baseplates Iíll most likely break.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Lt. Frank Drebin on February 01, 2018, 01:50:59 PM
Just got some of the newer 44's, the texture on these is bad boys is wild.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on February 01, 2018, 03:05:19 PM
I still really want mag plates even though Iíll probably break them. If anyone has a set or knows any place that I can order them from please let me know.

http://www.skateprylar.se/produkt/ace-trucks-magnesium-baseplates/

Itís a Swedish shop though, so if youíre outside of Sweden, there might be some difficulties.

Damn! Yeah man Iím in the USA and donít even know how to add them to the cart lol. You speak swedish? Lol.

Not really. I'm from Finland and I do know some Swedish as it's mandatory to learn in school here but I absolutely suck at it. I ordered a pair from there about a year ago. I sent the dude an email and worked it all out with him in English. Dude was very helpful. Here's the contact page:
http://www.skateprylar.se/kundservice/

I contacted him and heís a super nice guy, great customer service. However, after shipping itís $50 in USD here which is the price of a brand new pair of trucks. Not worth it for baseplates Iíll most likely break.

Thatís a bummer. I canít remember what I ended up paying for mine but I justified it with my broken leg and inability to skate back then and that I needed all the help I can get when coming back from the injury. I donít even know if I notice any difference to normal plates but it doesnít really matter. I like my setup and in the end thatís all that counts. 😊
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 01, 2018, 04:52:09 PM
44s 8 3/8" which is 8.375 which should get rounded up to 8.38 not 8.35 (doesn't matter a  shit but c'mon, basic maths)

And I believe 55s are still 8 7/8"

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/files/2013/03/math.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on February 07, 2018, 06:10:44 PM
Anyone else notice Daan Van Der Linden skating Ace's in his new Nike SB part? Wasn't he on Indy before?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on February 07, 2018, 06:47:24 PM
Anyone else notice Daan Van Der Linden skating Ace's in his new Nike SB part? Wasn't he on Indy before?

Might be someone elses board? I also noticed AA skating some aces in hockey ii but pretty sure hes also on indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 07, 2018, 07:15:45 PM
Anyone else notice Daan Van Der Linden skating Ace's in his new Nike SB part? Wasn't he on Indy before?

Might be someone elses board? I also noticed AA skating some aces in hockey ii but pretty sure hes also on indy.

I think Allen has been running ACE for a while, i didnt know delatorre was on the team though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: 256 Ply on February 07, 2018, 08:08:38 PM
Not sure if this has already been mentioned, but Ace has officially cut ties with Diamond Supply Co.
They are on their own, doing their own distribution.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DM on February 07, 2018, 09:59:54 PM
Have you seen this mad new colourway? https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/ace-trucks-44-classic-purple-coping-eater-trucks-set-of-2/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbanel4DGZt/?taken-by=mattfrenchart
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 08, 2018, 01:01:27 AM
Daan has been skating Aceís consistently in recent months and hasnít gone back to Indy. AA was on them but looks like he went back to Indy. Those purple coping eaters are cool for putting on a shelf but I donít know how people skate those things. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on February 27, 2018, 10:22:30 PM
I've been lurking this thread for a while now and based on what I've seen and read, it seems like Ace finally got their quality control in fucking order. Gonna get some 44's to try out on my 8.5 board. Glad I don't have to fuck with Khiro pivot cups/Krux bushings(right?).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: pointandclick on February 27, 2018, 10:50:28 PM
Have you seen this mad new colourway? https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/ace-trucks-44-classic-purple-coping-eater-trucks-set-of-2/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbanel4DGZt/?taken-by=mattfrenchart
those look like a rejected krux colorway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2018, 10:17:25 AM
Have you seen this mad new colourway? https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/ace-trucks-44-classic-purple-coping-eater-trucks-set-of-2/

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bbanel4DGZt/?taken-by=mattfrenchart
those look like a rejected krux colorway.

Impossible, all Krux are rejected colorways...I mean who the fuck thinks hot dog trucks would sell?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on February 28, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
Haha, yeah skating colored trucks would make me feel like I was a toddler. Skating those...yeesh. Although I will say Ace is the only company making a copper colorway truck. I kinda dig it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on February 28, 2018, 03:04:58 PM
I had gray krux once and they looked pretty rad
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2018, 07:27:12 PM
Haha, yeah skating colored trucks would make me feel like I was a toddler. Skating those...yeesh. Although I will say Ace is the only company making a copper colorway truck. I kinda dig it.

The copper is fucking badass, always wanted to cop a pair of those.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NowhereInLife on February 28, 2018, 08:44:52 PM
I've been lurking this thread for a while now and based on what I've seen and read, it seems like Ace finally got their quality control in fucking order. Gonna get some 44's to try out on my 8.5 board. Glad I don't have to fuck with Khiro pivot cups/Krux bushings(right?).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 02, 2018, 09:25:49 AM
I've been lurking this thread for a while now and based on what I've seen and read, it seems like Ace finally got their quality control in fucking order. Gonna get some 44's to try out on my 8.5 board. Glad I don't have to fuck with Khiro pivot cups/Krux bushings(right?).

Yes. The ace cups will blow out, it's just their nature.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on March 02, 2018, 10:16:02 AM
Never had that happen on the 3 sets I have had.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: curbsmash on March 02, 2018, 10:55:19 AM
I'm just gonna keep putting the Krux cushions/Khiro pivot cups in my Aces (even if the stock are now supposedly of better quality, which seems debatable from what folks here are saying) because they're perfect once they're set up that way and I can't see better quality stock bushings/pivot cups being nearly as good. It's not an expensive modification to make and seems well worth it thus far.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 02, 2018, 05:12:09 PM
I'm just gonna keep putting the Krux cushions/Khiro pivot cups in my Aces (even if the stock are now supposedly of better quality, which seems debatable from what folks here are saying) because they're perfect once they're set up that way and I can't see better quality stock bushings/pivot cups being nearly as good. It's not an expensive modification to make and seems well worth it thus far.

Khiro pivots donít fit Aceís properly. I know theyíre expensive but get Riptideís Ace pivots. Those with whatever your favorite bushings are in your Aceís turn them into the greatest truck you will ever experience. I keep stock Ace bottomís and a shorter top like a Krux or Indy.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on March 02, 2018, 05:28:07 PM
I'm just gonna keep putting the Krux cushions/Khiro pivot cups in my Aces (even if the stock are now supposedly of better quality, which seems debatable from what folks here are saying) because they're perfect once they're set up that way and I can't see better quality stock bushings/pivot cups being nearly as good. It's not an expensive modification to make and seems well worth it thus far.

Khiro pivots donít fit Aceís properly. I know theyíre expensive but get Riptideís Ace pivots. Those with whatever your favorite bushings are in your Aceís turn them into the greatest truck you will ever experience. I keep stock Ace bottomís and a shorter top like a Krux or Indy.

^This. Stock bottom and red indy top bushing is fantastic in my ace 55s right now, insanely sharp/quick turns. I've done stock, bones medium, bones hards, kruxs and this is currently my favourite, with the bones mediums being a close second. I got the khiro pivots and cut them down a bit and they seem to be great, never actually had any problems with stock pivots though.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on March 04, 2018, 09:01:22 PM
how do you know if the trucks are the old one or the redesign?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: vegan*shawn on March 04, 2018, 09:17:19 PM
how do you know if the trucks are the old one or the redesign?

The bottom where they connect to the baseplate is wider and they are straight on the edge where the wheels are, if they are rounded they are the old ones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goathead on March 05, 2018, 07:01:26 AM
I just bought a Primewood Dune Monster shape board (9.38 x 31.75) and been thinking about trying some Aces for it. Do you think the 55s would be enough with some wide wheels?

Been riding Indys for ten years and the change is scaring me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: curbsmash on March 05, 2018, 07:20:21 AM
I just bought a Primewood Dune Monster shape board (9.38 x 31.75) and been thinking about trying some Aces for it. Do you think the 55s would be enough with some wide wheels?

Been riding Indys for ten years and the change is scaring me

I think youíd be totally fine with 55ís there. I also recently started riding Aces after only riding indyís pretty forever and itís a welcome change. Enjoy them!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on March 09, 2018, 12:31:12 AM
how do you know if the trucks are the old one or the redesign?

The bottom where they connect to the baseplate is wider and they are straight on the edge where the wheels are, if they are rounded they are the old ones

Anyone have a picture ?
I ordered some Ace 44 from SoCal on December 6th.
Do you guys think they are stage 2 ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: DBAG999 on March 16, 2018, 03:55:41 PM
I just put in the krux downlow kingpin with some riptide pivot cups and the soft thunder bushings and Iíve gotta say it feels really nice. Stable in the center but still carvy with a really quick turn.

Was riding stock pivot/kingpin with bones mediums for years before that and having switched I now see that the shortness of the bones bottom bushing definitely fucked with the geometry. Felt like there was no real stable center with that setup and felt more like you tipped into turns. Not to mention Iíd have to change pivot cups every 6 months.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on March 17, 2018, 03:18:05 AM
Here's some info about their updates:

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-4.jpg)

https://www.acetrucks.com/catalog/


I've only had their second run of trucks (the ones where they only beefed up the wings). It'll be interesting to see how these go.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 17, 2018, 07:53:00 AM
That's some nice info. Good to see Ace stepping up their game. I'm riding some old generation of 44s currently and I like them the best of all trucks I've tried. Gonna stick with Aces for the foreseeable future. Got two pairs to go through and they'll likely last me years, so who knows when I'll get to try the new versions.  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 17, 2018, 10:47:54 AM
Here's some info about their updates:

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-4.jpg)

https://www.acetrucks.com/catalog/


I've only had their second run of trucks (the ones where they only beefed up the wings). It'll be interesting to see how these go.

Wow now thatís how you market your products that have been redesigned/enhanced for the customers and consumers!! Now Iím glad I bought a set to support them

They really did step it up
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on March 17, 2018, 10:52:13 AM
Conical hanger ends are such a good idea. These new Aces are phenomenal. Maybe one day a size betweens 44s and 55s? And an inverted kingpin option? But really Ace are hard to beat as is at this point.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 19, 2018, 12:27:40 PM
If I get my first pair of Aces should I immediately switch to the krux inverted kingpin or go stock? I skate in the medium to tight spectrum.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on March 19, 2018, 12:47:55 PM
If I get my first pair of Aces should I immediately switch to the krux inverted kingpin or go stock? I skate in the medium to tight spectrum.

the problem with the krux kingpin is that the nut doesn't seat tightly in the base of the truck, so to tighten you gotta remove the trucks from your deck to adjust.

Stock Ace shit isn't bad by any means, and actually quite great when broken in. If you go medium to tight Ace might be a little too loose a truck for you, but I definitely recommend giving them a fair shake.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on March 19, 2018, 01:13:39 PM
I actually think Aces for medium tight work quite well when broken in. Only do the krux kingpin mod if you either need clearance or want to shave off as much weight as you can.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 19, 2018, 06:36:37 PM
Yeah that pic showing all the improvements Ace have done recently is good stuff. My Stage 2ís are near axle but I wanna get a backup of the newest ones. Anyone here tried them stock everything and notice if the new stock bushings allow them to be nice and turny right out of the gate without aftermarket stuff?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Bizarro Jerry on March 19, 2018, 06:49:45 PM
God dammit those new Aces seem phenomenal. But I'm also so satisfied with my venture 5.25 his w/indy super soft bushings. I can turn on a dime, can't wheelbite even if I try, and I'm actually digging the slightly extended wheelbase I get from them. (feels great for mannys, which is all I do anyway). I'll probably cave and buy them in a 2 months anyway.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on March 19, 2018, 08:21:00 PM
Yeah that pic showing all the improvements Ace have done recently is good stuff. My Stage 2ís are near axle but I wanna get a backup of the newest ones. Anyone here tried them stock everything and notice if the new stock bushings allow them to be nice and turny right out of the gate without aftermarket stuff?

Yes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 19, 2018, 08:25:05 PM
are Ace the only ones doing different duro top and bottom bushings as stock?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 19, 2018, 08:39:38 PM
Call me crazy, but foft bottoms and hard tops?...it's usually the opposite...bottoms are how you get your stability, a softer bottom will also compress faster causing more wheelbite and harder tops cripple your ability to turn...I've tried it with bones, and soft tops and harder bottoms seems to be the way to go...i'll have to try it out with a new set of aces someday and leave them stock
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 19, 2018, 08:44:14 PM
are Ace the only ones doing different duro top and bottom bushings as stock?

Yeah, that I know of, and they've been doing it forever too but it used to be much smaller of a duro difference, more like 94/92.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: funeral_tuxedo on March 19, 2018, 08:55:43 PM
I know I can buy riser pads but they're kind of short. Does this effect any of you street guys who ride them kind of loose with about 54mm wheels? Also, they look beautiful.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sad Hippo on March 19, 2018, 09:06:32 PM
Damn I don't need trucks but those looks great.  I wish they'd fix the type on their site and some of their gear. "Ace trucks MFG" just doesn't sound right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 19, 2018, 11:42:01 PM
Yeah that pic showing all the improvements Ace have done recently is good stuff. My Stage 2ís are near axle but I wanna get a backup of the newest ones. Anyone here tried them stock everything and notice if the new stock bushings allow them to be nice and turny right out of the gate without aftermarket stuff?

Yes.

Yeah out the gate theyíre pretty turny, theyíre not as smooth as the original soft ace bushings and feel kinda like thunder bushings but they work.

I freaking love these ace classics, took some getting use to but damn they are home

They remind me so much of my 7.8 decks days with the old krux 3.5 downlows, they just work and feel so good and broken in
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on March 20, 2018, 01:19:34 AM
God dammit those new Aces seem phenomenal. But I'm also so satisfied with my venture 5.25 his w/indy super soft bushings. I can turn on a dime, can't wheelbite even if I try, and I'm actually digging the slightly extended wheelbase I get from them. (feels great for mannys, which is all I do anyway). I'll probably cave and buy them in a 2 months anyway.

I was on the stock stage 2 aces then decided to give that exact venture hi super soft combo out and the aces have a way sharper and deeper carve.  The ace shortened WB on 14.38 - 14.5 WB boards feel very similar to a venture hi on a 14 - 14.12. That sweet spot with aces on a 14.25 is hard to beat.

The new pivot cups don't hold up as well as the Khiro replacements. Baseplate mounting holes oval out quick too. Tried all the bushing combos including some Khiro and venom combos and the new stock ace bushings are the best so far. Going to try and take it further and replicate the odd 86a bottom and 91a top combo with other mismatched replacements. Also has anyone tried conical bottom bushings on aces??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on March 20, 2018, 09:14:03 AM
God dammit those new Aces seem phenomenal. But I'm also so satisfied with my venture 5.25 his w/indy super soft bushings. I can turn on a dime, can't wheelbite even if I try, and I'm actually digging the slightly extended wheelbase I get from them. (feels great for mannys, which is all I do anyway). I'll probably cave and buy them in a 2 months anyway.

I was on the stock stage 2 aces then decided to give that exact venture hi super soft combo out and the aces have a way sharper and deeper carve.  The ace shortened WB on 14.38 - 14.5 WB boards feel very similar to a venture hi on a 14 - 14.12. That sweet spot with aces on a 14.25 is hard to beat.

The new pivot cups don't hold up as well as the Khiro replacements. Baseplate mounting holes oval out quick too. Tried all the bushing combos including some Khiro and venom combos and the new stock ace bushings are the best so far. Going to try and take it further and replicate the odd 86a bottom and 91a top combo with other mismatched replacements. Also has anyone tried conical bottom bushings on aces??

You Stage II mounting holes stretched out? Bummer.

I've only ridden conicals in my ACEs as everytime I go back to stock or krux they feel sluggish to me...but I'm a kook, I need squirrly feeling trucks or I can't get my balance :P
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on March 21, 2018, 06:00:44 PM
For conicals Iíve done Indy hard 94Aís and Bones Hards with washers on bottom and top. Indyís were the best however I still got a lot of wheelbite. Love Aceís but I think theyíre pretty close to Thunder in terms of wheelbite issues. I have to keep the stock Ace bottom and use a shorter aftermarket bushing on top like Krux or Indy or else the turn results in pretty extreme wheelbite. I realize this could most likely be due to me being a bigger dude but still...theyíre only 52mm tall after all. And I hate risers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 21, 2018, 08:36:23 PM
Would indy after markets fit well in the new aces?

Idk how much Iíll like the stock but Incase I decide i wanna swap to have a setup more of the same Duro than a mis match like Iíve always been use to would the Indyís fit perfect or ima have to tighten it up a few threads?

The 86a part isnít my total craze with the 91a for me
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on March 21, 2018, 08:45:41 PM
I'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.

If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 21, 2018, 10:19:29 PM
I'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.

If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.

Itís funny that you mention doh dohs cause I have a set of the 92a mediums ahaha

Now ima have to see which I like more, the doh doh or indy after markets cause the ace stocks are ok but they kinda lack this in the middle feel I like with same durometer bushings where if itís tight itís tight if itís loose itís loose not, itís loose when you wanna turn but tight when you level out

I know thatís what would be best but Iím not use to my trucks having double action

Edit: mongoloid you were right, the doh doh fit better and feel a lot more stable than the Indy aftermarkets, time to get another set of doh dohs incase these tear up soon, cause they kinda did from the week of use I had them in my stg 11 149ís
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on March 21, 2018, 10:45:06 PM
I'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.

If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.

Itís funny that you mention doh dohs cause I have a set of the 92a mediums ahaha

Now ima have to see which I like more, the doh doh or indy after markets cause the ace stocks are ok but they kinda lack this in the middle feel I like with same durometer bushings where if itís tight itís tight if itís loose itís loose not, itís loose when you wanna turn but tight when you level out

I know thatís what would be best but Iím not use to my trucks having double action

Edit: mongoloid you were right, the doh doh fit better and feel a lot more stable than the Indy aftermarkets, time to get another set of doh dohs incase these tear up soon, cause they kinda did from the week of use I had them in my stg 11 149ís

Are the dohdoh barrels the same size as the stock aces? How were the 92s? I've had the Indy 92 blue replacements and the bottoms were shy from stock size, wondering if the dohdohs are a go.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 21, 2018, 11:11:38 PM
I'm preaching it again for the umpteenth time, but Doh Doh's work amazingly well in Ace's.

If you are doing standard Ace's you are able to keep the bottom washer, but with the Low's to get proper height I remove the bottom washer.

Itís funny that you mention doh dohs cause I have a set of the 92a mediums ahaha

Now ima have to see which I like more, the doh doh or indy after markets cause the ace stocks are ok but they kinda lack this in the middle feel I like with same durometer bushings where if itís tight itís tight if itís loose itís loose not, itís loose when you wanna turn but tight when you level out

I know thatís what would be best but Iím not use to my trucks having double action

Edit: mongoloid you were right, the doh doh fit better and feel a lot more stable than the Indy aftermarkets, time to get another set of doh dohs incase these tear up soon, cause they kinda did from the week of use I had them in my stg 11 149ís

Are the dohdoh barrels the same size as the stock aces? How were the 92s? I've had the Indy 92 blue replacements and the bottoms were shy from stock size, wondering if the dohdohs are a go.

The doh doh sadly arenít the same size cause ace top bushing is kinda taller than standards but dohís fit better than Indy in ace, the top/small doh doh bushing has the extruded lip that touches the hangar like the top bushings from mini logos which I think helps with stability

The 92a doh doh in my opinion feel better than the Indy, the doh doh feel more responsive and a tiny softer but way more stable. They feel like if you tried to make stock indy bushings to feel like a thunder bushing, it has the carve softness but the response and shift to center feel like a thunder bushing. Sad though cause I think they get worn easily like bones mediums in certain setups, cause my front truck doh dohs are a tiny shredded from just a week of use but Iím still gonna use them until theyíre done and just have a back up for now

To wrap it up, I like them and would recommend the doh doh orange 92a mediums to anyone who likes a good medium feel, not medium soft or medium hard but a legit medium

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on March 21, 2018, 11:13:17 PM
So, can you run them with the Doh Doh barrel bottom?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 21, 2018, 11:29:21 PM
So, can you run them with the Doh Doh barrel bottom?

Iíd say yes pretty much perfect cause the barrel bottom are the same size and mine fit perfect, just as I mentioned the ace tops are taller than the typical top bushing from any other brand so your gonna have to tighten only about an extra thread compare to stock ace

With the Indy after market though I had to go like 2/2.5 threads extra compared to stock
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 22, 2018, 03:34:27 AM
Dunno if the new Ace bushings differ from the old ones but at least with the old ones you gotta break them in. I bought two sets of used Aces here a while back and they didnít come with the stock bushings so I bought some replacements. The other set I broke in after trying to fuck with all sorts of different bushing set ups and ended up absolutely loving them. Then at some point I set up the other set exactly the same and went to skate with those and I absolutely fucking hated it. Had to compare them side by side and the difference was astonishing. The broken in set felt amazing but the new set felt like fucking Ventures with rock hard bushings compared to the broken in set. I powered through and broke the other set in also and now theyíre both lovely.

Just saying. Break those fuckers in and theyíll be completely different (and much better, IMO at least).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Marsellus Wallace on March 22, 2018, 04:07:27 AM
quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on March 22, 2018, 05:14:53 PM
quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?

I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.

But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Marsellus Wallace on March 23, 2018, 09:07:45 AM
quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?

I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.

But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.

I tried Krux bushings in my Aces yesterday and they felt terribly hard - heard that Ace stock bushings are even harder and need long to break in
Right now I got yellow Bones mediums in my Aces and they feel great - but they are kinda broken now and Iīd like to try some conical bushings (for more stability?) or anything thatīs better for the Kruxīs geometry.
Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on March 23, 2018, 09:15:00 AM
Man, I found the Krux bushings to be too soft for me.  I put the stock ones back in after that and just let them break in.  It took a bit longer than Indy or Thunder, but they're pretty good when broken in.  The Krux were too squirelly for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on March 23, 2018, 09:15:45 AM
quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?

I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.

But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.

I tried Krux bushings in my Aces yesterday and they felt terribly hard - heard that Ace stock bushings are even harder and need long to break in
Right now I got yellow Bones mediums in my Aces and they feel great - but they are kinda broken now and Iīd like to try some conical bushings (for more stability?) or anything thatīs better for the Kruxīs geometry.
Any recommendations?

New Ace bushings are softer. Good from the get go and get better.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 23, 2018, 09:18:58 AM
quick question: are those Krux (aftermarket?) bushings everyone is talking about simply just the stock bushings from the krux trucks or do they differ?

I'm pretty sure they are the same ones that come with the trucks.

But seriously, the new Ace bushings are heavenly. I have a set of Bones, Krux, and Doh Doh's and I have no desire to try them in my Ace's.

I tried Krux bushings in my Aces yesterday and they felt terribly hard - heard that Ace stock bushings are even harder and need long to break in
Right now I got yellow Bones mediums in my Aces and they feel great - but they are kinda broken now and Iīd like to try some conical bushings (for more stability?) or anything thatīs better for the Kruxīs geometry.
Any recommendations?

I found Krux bushings to be very soft, much softer than Bones mediums (which don't fit well in Aces anyway) or the Ace stock ones. Haven't tried all combos, but I can't imagine what bushings would work for you if you think Krux are too hard for Aces.  ???
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on March 23, 2018, 09:26:07 AM
Has anybody tried using their old bottom stock ACE bushings paired with the new tops??
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 23, 2018, 01:40:55 PM
Has anybody tried using their old bottom stock ACE bushings paired with the new tops??
I'm all for gear madness, I have it to a degree, but this is too much now.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on March 23, 2018, 10:32:23 PM
I just started riding a set of 55 stage 3ís. I dig them, but Iíve had to loosen the kingpins till the nylon is almost off the bolt to get them loose enough. Donít want to mess with the bushings, Iím hoping they get softer when they break in. Should clarify that I like my trucks to be loose enough to pinch on grinds.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 23, 2018, 11:57:05 PM
Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...

When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn theyíre amazing with this 52mm height

But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indyís was better for me...

Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on March 24, 2018, 05:44:05 AM
Did they lower the newer aces or have they always been 52mm? I think some sites used to claim 53.5mm height, no?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on March 24, 2018, 06:31:25 AM
Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...

When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn theyíre amazing with this 52mm height

But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indyís was better for me...

Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips

Tbh I feel very little difference between the lows and their standard height offering.

I mostly skate the lows personally.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: OldManSkate on March 24, 2018, 08:06:00 AM
Anybody successfully warranty their trucks without a receipt? My 44s have a loose kingpin and I donít have the receipt anymore.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on March 24, 2018, 08:18:52 AM
Anybody successfully warranty their trucks without a receipt? My 44s have a loose kingpin and I donít have the receipt anymore.

Hammer it out, put some epoxy in there (JB Weld for example) and hammer it back in. Use stock bushings or bushings that are the same size as the stock and it won't get loose ever again. I doubt they'd replace them even if you had a receipt.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 24, 2018, 11:38:33 AM
Did they lower the newer aces or have they always been 52mm? I think some sites used to claim 53.5mm height, no?

Iím sure they lowered them cause I had the previous stage and they felt so tippy like Indyís so I sold them but this new classic stage ace 52mm is perfect for mid tall but not low


Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...

When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn theyíre amazing with this 52mm height

But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indyís was better for me...

Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips

Tbh I feel very little difference between the lows and their standard height offering.

I mostly skate the lows personally.

Ahaha yeah just to quell some of the madness Iím gonna plug my 139 indy low and see how they work for me and if things are great I guess Iím gonna try those ace 03, if the low is too low Iím going in on those 33, I kinda like how the new 33 classics look too with the wings

Ahhhh man getting that perfect setup such a hassle when your getting old and canít keep up with the kids who skate anything
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on March 24, 2018, 02:48:55 PM
Haha the madness in me has gone deeper since I got the new ace 44 and notice how good they are, I wanna try and maybe snag a set of 33 and 03 but is it worth it...

When I was falling for my indy 149 I switched down to the 139 and liked them even more then tried these aces and damn theyíre amazing with this 52mm height

But the question stands, would the 33 and/or 03 work better for me since I ride 8-8.12 decks and like a quicker pop and the experience in going down with the Indyís was better for me...

Damn the madness! But man these new aces are the bomb! Seriously learned popped bigspins and got my front shuvs back and started learning big flips

I don't think low aces make sense. They're good because of how they turn and having a low version of that compromises its biggest advantage. I find in general aces work well with a longer wheelbase board with a slightly shorter nose and tail. My friend also learnt bigflips on aces haha.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on March 24, 2018, 03:06:46 PM
I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on March 26, 2018, 05:35:51 PM
Has anybody tried using their old bottom stock ACE bushings paired with the new tops??
I'm all for gear madness, I have it to a degree, but this is too much now.

When you start putting together trucks that you won't even be able to recreate in a year or so it's too far.

I finally settled into a "raw cast only, harder/softer bushings" mindset.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 26, 2018, 08:54:13 PM
I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.

Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause Iím considering getting a set cause theyíre gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on March 27, 2018, 03:45:44 PM
I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.

Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause Iím considering getting a set cause theyíre gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them

Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.

(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on March 27, 2018, 03:54:50 PM
I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.

Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause Iím considering getting a set cause theyíre gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them

Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.

(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)

That's a tempting photo. You planning on keeping the bushings/pivot cups stock?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on March 27, 2018, 04:25:56 PM
The stock Ace pivot cups are still trash, so I swapped them out with some Khiro softs.

However, the new Ace bushings are a vast improvement over the old ones. The urethane seems of a higher quality with better rebound.

These already feel broken in and comfortable. Kinda like they skipped the awkward new truck phase.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 27, 2018, 05:44:46 PM
I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.

Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause Iím considering getting a set cause theyíre gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them

Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.

(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)

 Nice! Thanks for the post! Last favor, could you compare the hangar/axle length to another 8Ē truck you have and tell me if the 33 are exactly an 8 or 7.8?

Cause I just got my 03 and turns out even though branded 03/33 as an 8Ē these are actually 7.8 and Iím wondering are the 33 also 7.8
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on March 27, 2018, 09:34:27 PM
I had a set of the Ace Low 03's and hated them because of the extreme wheelbite. I was running spitfire classic 52s and the stock bushings, and even switched to some harder bushings (bones hards and some indy barrels) and that didn't help at all.

I usually don't have wheelbite issues with any other lower profile truck (thunders). However the Ace Lows were really hard to dial in and just never felt right.

On the flip side, I just got a pair of the new Ace Classic 33's with the wider Y shaped hangar, and they turn like a dream with no wheelbite.

Mind posting a pic? I really wanna see what they look like now cause Iím considering getting a set cause theyíre gonna be lighter than my 44 but I still love them

Yeah, the new Ace Classic 33's hangars are beefier than the old ones. The baseplates are the same though.

(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)

 Nice! Thanks for the post! Last favor, could you compare the hangar/axle length to another 8Ē truck you have and tell me if the 33 are exactly an 8 or 7.8?

Cause I just got my 03 and turns out even though branded 03/33 as an 8Ē these are actually 7.8 and Iím wondering are the 33 also 7.8
Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they arenít balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. Youíll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on March 28, 2018, 08:43:16 AM
This is my first set of Lock-Ins, so I will def keep that in consideration. I know the outer edge of the wheel sticks out a bit. However the bearing seats have the same depth and appear centered, so it may not be much of an issue. I also don't mind riding them with the flat side out if they start coning later on. If my bearings explode, I'll report back...

Oh, and I put my trucks up against a pair of Thunder 147's and the Aces look a little shorter, which makes me think they are under 8". (Not by much though)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on March 28, 2018, 09:09:42 AM
Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they arenít balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. Youíll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)
Looks pretty balanced to me, would you rather the seat be centered under the riding surface?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: RumpelFoarskin on March 28, 2018, 11:12:42 AM
Lock ins are the worst. Because they are asymmetrical they aren’t balanced properly. More wheel material outside of the bearing on one side than the other, makes them wear your inner bearings faster and also makes them slightly pull inwards, sort of like driving a car without balanced tires. Also slows you down. You’ll definitely notice what I mean if you think about it and pay attention.
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)
Looks pretty balanced to me, would you rather the seat be centered under the riding surface?
Naw I’m just fucking around with everyone’s gear madness dropping misinformation, I pulled that shit out of my ass. I thought it was robs setup with the lock-ins. I am full of shit.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on March 28, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
This is my first set of Lock-Ins, so I will def keep that in consideration. I know the outer edge of the wheel sticks out a bit. However the bearing seats have the same depth and appear centered, so it may not be much of an issue. I also don't mind riding them with the flat side out if they start coning later on. If my bearings explode, I'll report back...

Oh, and I put my trucks up against a pair of Thunder 147's and the Aces look a little shorter, which makes me think they are under 8". (Not by much though)

Thanks, you saved me some money

Iím kinda iffy about my trucks being too small cause even though it does, I get the feeling I wonít get enough truck to grind on things even though Luan and other size 8 truck riders are ripping
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ciaran on March 30, 2018, 06:00:27 PM
Set up a new board and cleaned up the bushings and pivot cups on the trucks while I was at it as they were squealing and creaking like a hoard of banshees with every turn.  Rubbed a little wax to the pivot nipple (?) and the tops (Bones yellow) and bottoms (Ace)of the bushings - st  Everything feels way better since - fast, snappy, true and silent.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on April 01, 2018, 08:01:49 PM
Iíve got a strange curiousity about trying 44ís on an 8Ē deck. I mean I ride 03ís on 8-8.25Ē no issue, but I feel like maybe the wider axle will have some benefits I might not get from the 03/33ís.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on April 01, 2018, 11:01:13 PM
Iíve got a strange curiousity about trying 44ís on an 8Ē deck. I mean I ride 03ís on 8-8.25Ē no issue, but I feel like maybe the wider axle will have some benefits I might not get from the 03/33ís.

Thatís what Iíve been rocking, itís a little hefty but it feels solid

Iím not really into riding my trucks a tad slimmer than 8 cause Iím a kook who can feel the tippy magic carpet with 7.8/7.6 trucks on an 8 ish deck
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on April 01, 2018, 11:26:35 PM
Guys......that's kinda gross.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on April 02, 2018, 05:49:53 AM
44s on an 8 looks and feels fine. I say go for it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on April 02, 2018, 12:17:21 PM
Yeah just don't run any washers on the inside and you'll be good. My friend has them on 8.12s and it looks perfectly flush, I doubt an 8 would be much different.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on April 04, 2018, 04:37:13 AM
Tried all-stock on the new 44.
The first session was horrible, but now it's perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shuh on April 04, 2018, 05:48:56 AM
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on April 04, 2018, 06:20:29 AM
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shuh on April 04, 2018, 06:26:59 AM
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).

Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on April 04, 2018, 08:05:28 AM
No real need to change bushings to be perfectly honest. I personally do just because I like a specific durometer, but itís entirely unnecessary.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 04, 2018, 08:43:28 AM
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).

Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose

Breaking in takes a while but after that you'll be golden. This was the case with the old trucks at least. Dunno personally if anything changed with the new refresh. Someone else might be able to comment on that.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 04, 2018, 09:47:34 AM
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).

Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose

Breaking in takes a while but after that you'll be golden. This was the case with the old trucks at least. Dunno personally if anything changed with the new refresh. Someone else might be able to comment on that.

The Ace trucks branded as "Classic" are essentially the same V2 trucks with new bushings.  The bottom bushing is now softer and feels perfectly broken in on the first session. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on April 05, 2018, 03:31:05 PM
Alright someone convince me, I currently ride thunder 149 team, bones bushings soft tell me why I should switch to Ace 44?

Aceís have a more organic feel to the way they function, they bend to your whim if that makes any sense. It feels more like you are connected to your setup, and it is an extension of your body.

They are that reactionary and precise. Thunders turn beautifully, and tight, but I still feel they are slightly limited. I also personally get vicious wheelbite with thunders (although I do love them as well).

Yeah I get that with thunders, do I need to change bushings thou? I like riding loose

I just swapped from thunders to aces, but aside from the reduced wheelbite there are too many other variables I changed up to be comparing apples with apples (all round 1/4 inch larger setup). They do seem to have a wider turning arc. I kept the bushings stock but had to wind the nuts until the nylon was almost off the kingpin thread before I got them what I would consider loose
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dr.÷ssler on April 10, 2018, 07:57:39 PM
I did it, Yeah :) After reading the entire 29 pages (starting Nov 2010 ... thanks to formeitscrazylike who started this... till now) for the last 5 days ... I am in ;) I love riding pools and in Austria we don't get ACE Trucks in the shop. I got completely hooked on them :)

Just a short summary for people who don't have the passion or time to read all this: For my 8,75" Board the best would be the new 55 (no 44!?! ... they call them classics?! ...from late 2017?! ... how do I now if they are really the new ones if I by them online?) with pivot cups from riptide (is there a special size which fits best?) or Khiro (small and soft) and bushings from Krux (do I still need the the bushings and pivot cups for the new ACEīs?).

Would give the OJ Plain Jane Keyframe II 87a 54mm a try (are they any good? POWELL PERALTA G-SLIDES 56mm 85A I think they are to wide... like soft wheels, Ricta Clouds 55mm 86A are the shit ... love them ;) )

By the way the question about the new stock bushing set up by ACE ,if it should not the other way around (hard for bottom, soft on top), was never answered? Any news on this one guys?

So I am ready to roll and to order. Thought about ordering it from Tactics. They ship for free in the US and a friend of mine can bring me the stuff in 3 weeks to Austria. Only thing is that Tactics don't have riptide pivot cups. Any other online shop, you guys can recommend, which should have all the stuff in stock?

Thanks a lot and I really enjoyed the discussion ;) To be continued :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 10, 2018, 08:09:14 PM
The hard tops offer fast small adjustment rebound with the carve-surfy like softness of the barrel. It would make sense for the top to be softer. I have the Venom SHR conical street bushings and the bottom cone is the exact length compared to stock barrel, with tops being slightly smaller. Having a flat washer both on top and bottom offer non restrictive, super loose but responsive turn.
Highly suggest the combo. Very close to the new stocks but very different feel.
SoCal skate has venoms stocked too...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 10, 2018, 09:02:00 PM
had a great session on them today.  With the new bushings they're officially my favorite trucks that I've ever skated.  absolute turning bliss
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on April 11, 2018, 12:55:43 AM
The new bushings, while better than the old bushings, don't get loose enough for me even with the kingpin nut finger tight. So I switched back to Krux tops and don't regret it one bit it just feels so right...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2018, 05:00:35 PM
After digging around on the net for discussions on hard bottoms/soft tops and vice versa, my theory crafting and personal experience with mix/matching bushings...I've only come up with:

Soft bottoms w/a hard top:
Soft Bottoms provide a surfy feel (fast compression of the hanger resulting in a quick turn) and harder tops provide a quicker rebound/snap to center.

Soft Bottoms would logically be less stable on center.

Hard bottoms w/a soft top:
Hard bottoms provide a slower compression of the hanger thereby a slower longer turn/carve (more weight/leverage is needed over time) and soft tops equate to slower rebound/snap to center...

Hard Bottoms would logically be more stable on center.

Random shit:

Every soft top below 85a (that wasn't insert style ala Bones or Khiro) paired with a harder bottom I've fucking destroyed with how loose I ride (tho even the 73 white, Red and yellow tops Khiro inserts got mangled in my ACES)..

I need my trucks loose, even on center, loose trucks is how I 'get' to center as odd as that may be (most people can't roll a couple of feet without falling off my ride or getting wheel bite.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 12, 2018, 07:05:16 AM
I just ordered some of the new bushings off the Ace site.  Weather here has been pretty terrible.  In addition to that, I have a pretty big gig backing up a songwriter at a State Theater, so I told myself I wouldn't skate until after that show, which is this Saturday.  Looking forward to checking them out and skating again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2018, 09:20:18 AM
Yesterday I threw in some 84a barrels on a flat washer and an 88a top (closest I could get to the ACE duros, and they different urethane so there's that), tried a 90a top and with was too stiff, 88a was much better.

Overall, it was tighter than what I normally ride (been rocking bones softs/85a all around in Theeve and Indy of late), more stable on center and has sort of a smooth looseness too them, tho that just might be the turn rather than the bushings....at 170lbs, the bones softs are super loose, unstable, wheelbite prone and difficult to keep on center for anyone riding my board other than me :)

That said, they were sort of comfy but again, that just might be the feel of ACES vs. the rest.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on April 12, 2018, 11:06:47 AM
The new stock bushings seem to help reduce wheelbite also. I've been riding 55mm wheels, no risers and kingpin nut flush with kingpin on a 8.5" board and 44s with no significant wheel bite issues and I'm 200lbs.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2018, 01:25:37 PM
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 12, 2018, 09:18:52 PM
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!

This is encouraging.  I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter...  I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in.  Psyched to try them out. 

Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way.  Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 13, 2018, 04:16:24 AM
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!

This is encouraging.  I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter...  I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in.  Psyched to try them out. 

Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way.  Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings.


Just a heads up on my experience with them this week.  They immediately feel broken in but like most bushings it takes around 3 sessions for them to settle in so the rebound is there.  After that, you're golden
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 13, 2018, 06:35:14 AM
If anyone tries out the new ACE bushings and doesn't like them I'll take them off your hands!

This is encouraging.  I live in central MI and have gained 10 pounds over the last winter...  I'm sitting around 195 these days and thought that the previous Ace bushings got a hair too soft once broken in.  Psyched to try them out. 

Xen, if these don't work out I'll send them your way.  Trying these to exhaust the urge to go back to Indy's w/ aftermarket Indy bushings.


Just a heads up on my experience with them this week.  They immediately feel broken in but like most bushings it takes around 3 sessions for them to settle in so the rebound is there.  After that, you're golden

Good to know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: seb on April 13, 2018, 01:25:35 PM
I did it, Yeah :) ... To be continued :)

Just a heads up - if you don't mind ordering from them, both titus and blue tomato stock ace.

edit: got the new aces and they feel heavier (due to the hanger being thicker) but more solid. And the new stock bushings are amazing! It took me forever to break in the old ones, but the new ones felt good right away and broken in after two days skating.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 14, 2018, 04:51:53 PM
Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 15, 2018, 02:53:12 AM
Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...

I feel like once someone's at that level of skating, they can practically skate any setup without any serious madness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 15, 2018, 04:42:35 PM
Meanwhile, shredders like McClain and Stranger throw Bones and call it a day...

I feel like once someone's at that level of skating, they can practically skate any setup without any serious madness.

Sure, but they choose bones for a reason, McClain is obvious, as I'm sure they float him some in his monthly box of product.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ferraveemo on April 16, 2018, 04:29:13 AM
Been loving my new Set of 44's & 55's. the bushings are heaven. the truck's pivot cup is much more durable than previous iterations. Normally i'd blow thru the pivot cup within one session. but now it has lasted much longer than that and going thru almost a month and half.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 17, 2018, 03:49:39 PM
Has anyone ordered from Ace's site directly before?  I placed an order 5 days ago and haven't gotten a shipping notification.  Is Nicky Diamonds too busy doing it "for the 'gram" to catch up on orders?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 17, 2018, 05:02:29 PM
I think they have a whole new team of dudes doing shipping and organizing now, maybe hit them up ?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 17, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
I think they have a whole new team of dudes doing shipping and organizing now, maybe hit them up ?

I shot them an email shortly after this post.  No word yet, but I wouldn't have opted for upgraded USPS had I known.  Where I live we had a fucking ice storm over the weekend for 3 days straight and more snow accumulation, so it's not like I'll be able to skate until this weekend at the VERY, very earliest.  Itching to try them and hate shitty customer service.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sandboxcop on April 17, 2018, 06:46:55 PM
Had a couple of beverages and ordered some Ace 66's for a cruiser I'm setting up. Did I fuck up going for 66's on a 9.25?
I ordered some keyframes too so if they stick out all crazy like I can put them on another skinny cruiser I have
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IHOP on April 17, 2018, 09:23:05 PM
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on April 17, 2018, 09:54:16 PM
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Though Aces are often skated loose, I skated mine tight for a while and found them to be quite good too. A few of my friends skate tech ledge shit on their 7.75s and Ace 33s tight and they seem to find it fine too. Going from Thunders my only concern would be the fact that they shrink your wheelbase quite a lot and that might throw you off a bit, or it could be completely fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IHOP on April 18, 2018, 11:01:59 AM
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Though Aces are often skated loose, I skated mine tight for a while and found them to be quite good too. A few of my friends skate tech ledge shit on their 7.75s and Ace 33s tight and they seem to find it fine too. Going from Thunders my only concern would be the fact that they shrink your wheelbase quite a lot and that might throw you off a bit, or it could be completely fine.

Thank you, yea that would probably bother me too much, maybe some day I'll try em out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 18, 2018, 11:16:04 AM
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.

ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....

Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:

ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.



Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on April 18, 2018, 11:19:13 AM
for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 19, 2018, 01:20:35 AM
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 19, 2018, 01:58:41 AM
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 19, 2018, 02:00:13 AM
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!

  • Hammer the kingpin out
  • Put some ďsteel epoxyĒ (like JB Weld) in the kingpin hole
  • Hammer the kingpin back in
  • Let it dry
  • Never worry about your kingpin getting loose again

You're the fuckin man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on April 19, 2018, 04:28:22 AM
For everyone with pivot cup issues, if you're using the stock bushings, add a drop of speed cream, bike chain lube or armorall to the pivot cup and then put the hanger back on.  A lot of Ace pivot cups are blowing out before you can break them in.  This will help them break in quickly before they crack and then you should be good.

If you're using different bushings/washers, it changes the pivot angle and they're going to blow out no matter what.  you might even blow out the actual baseplate which I've seen with people using bones
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on April 19, 2018, 05:15:11 AM
404 error on the shipping info(or lack there of). Nevertheless got the package in 3 days on base non upgraded shipping!

Can attest to the quality of the new bushings. I fully back the new bushings but the pivot cups still need some improvements. After session 3 the cups were split and cracked. For optimal looseness, flat washers top and bottom did the trick.

How does one fix the loose kingpin problem?? Shits getting too rowdy down there!

  • Hammer the kingpin out
  • Put some ďsteel epoxyĒ (like JB Weld) in the kingpin hole
  • Hammer the kingpin back in
  • Let it dry
  • Never worry about your kingpin getting loose again

You're the fuckin man

Also remember to be careful not to bend the baseplate when hammering. Support it properly so that it rests on the part surrounding the kingpin hole when hammering it back in and not any other part. Aluminum is soft and can bend quite easily. Also good to use a big bolt or an extra kingpin to help you hammer the kingpin back in cuz it goes below the line of the baseplate. And when hammering the kingpin out, keep the bolt on so you wonít fuck up the threads. All in all pretty simple but there are some chances for fucking up if you just start doing and donít think ahead.  :)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Beeker on April 19, 2018, 06:47:37 AM
For everyone with pivot cup issues, if you're using the stock bushings, add a drop of speed cream, bike chain lube or armorall to the pivot cup and then put the hanger back on.  A lot of Ace pivot cups are blowing out before you can break them in.  This will help them break in quickly before they crack and then you should be good.

If you're using different bushings/washers, it changes the pivot angle and they're going to blow out no matter what.  you might even blow out the actual baseplate which I've seen with people using bones

When I try the liquid lube it works, but then goes back to hella squeaky in a few weeks. I tried auto grease and it's still working great a couple months later. I just wiped a tiny but on with a q-tip and cleaned up any squeeze out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: IHOP on April 20, 2018, 10:28:44 AM
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.

ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....

Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:

ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.

Thanks, just wanted to point out ventures are much more similar to indys than thunders, and wouldnt really put them next to eachother besides being dlx.

I have a friend who got theeves awhile ago and said to me "I know they look stupid, but this is exactly how I want a truck to feel and i finally have it"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: jamersonbass on April 22, 2018, 01:33:16 PM
Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me.  I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks.  I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen.  If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice.  I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2018, 04:07:34 PM
Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me.  I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks.  I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen.  If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice.  I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.

ACE aren't for everyone; I can skate Indy, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Krux just fine, they all do the job, some are better in certain areas than others, but with ACE, you really have to feel it with them for them to work, and either you do or you don't.


Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on April 23, 2018, 12:25:33 PM
Well, after finally getting out for the first time in 6 months (fucked up the outside side of my foot and winter here lasted almost 6 months), I don't think Ace's are for me.  I put the new Ace bushings in them, and while they turn great and feel awesome, at 6'3" and being out of shape, they don't feel stable enough for me while setting up for/landing tricks.  I know my balance is not on point yet, but I'm going back to Indy and the thought of breaking in new trucks is maddening to me, but I think it needs to happen.  If I ever set up a cruiser, Ace's will be my first choice.  I'm just trying to feel comfortable on board again as fast as possible.

ACE aren't for everyone; I can skate Indy, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Krux just fine, they all do the job, some are better in certain areas than others, but with ACE, you really have to feel it with them for them to work, and either you do or you don't.

Haha same here, I agree with that

They have this feel you gotta get use to for flip tricks and response
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Willie on April 23, 2018, 03:10:06 PM
yo 30 pages is a lot, I skate thunders now and they just dont feel high enough, wheel bite, breaking, etc.  I mostly skate street and skate my trucks a little on the tighter side.  I like the quick turning of thunders wile still having control would aces compare? or are they pretty loosey goosey. 

I have never been happy with a truck and I feel if i keep trying to find the perfect truck my madness will go through the roof instead of just learning to be fine with indy or thunder.

Depending on which Thunders you skate: the 149s are 52.3mm (forged plates) +1mm for cast plates.

ACE's, if their new numbers are to be trusted are 52mm, w/cast plates....

Comparing these two trucks is the old apples and oranges scenario, they provide a completely different feel. It's discussed, at length, in these 30 plus pages:

ACE are more like Theeve/Indy than they are like Thunder/Venture. There really doesn't seem to be a perfect middle ground between the carve vs. lean camp (Perhaps that's what we're all after :P), but for me, Theeve are the closest to the best of both worlds I can find.

Thanks, just wanted to point out ventures are much more similar to indys than thunders, and wouldnt really put them next to eachother besides being dlx.

I have a friend who got theeves awhile ago and said to me "I know they look stupid, but this is exactly how I want a truck to feel and i finally have it"


Just worth mentioning. Venture Highs and Lows are completely different beasts.

Venture Highs are super turny if a bit too, uh, high. I add this because I'm not really sure where Ventures fit in on the turnability scale. I just know people tell me that Indys turn better than my Ventures and then when I trade my Venture HIGHS for Indys I'm like, "What the fuck?"
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on April 25, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
With the improved bushings, the turn is extremely stable but responsive and quick when you need them to be. I've just bought and broken in a new set of regular 144s with replacement red 88a cylinder.
So far the aces have them beat but I'll ride these out for now...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2018, 04:23:34 PM
Just threw in the revised bushings in my ACEs (thanks jamersonbass!) and took them out, my findings:

If you use a Krux pin setup, the top bushing is still VERY tall making it really hard to get the pin in the nut, let alone into the nylon so I have to ride tighter than usual until they break in.

They felt good (but again, tighter than I would like) and as these have only been ridden a few times they still have some breakin time to be done so I can see them feeling really good later on.

If I picked these up on new trucks I'd be pretty pleased and knowing that if I wasn't running Krux pins I'd be able to loosen them just a bit and get some more play. I might just sand down the top washer.

Eventually, I just want to get some new plates as these mag plates are hanging on for dear life with washers and epoxy keeping my mounting holes small enough!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on April 30, 2018, 12:36:08 PM
Do the new Ace trucks come standard with the 38 special nuts?  Just ordered a pair from Tactics that came with them. If it's a case of them sending me old back stock of the previous model, I'll be sending them back for a refund.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on April 30, 2018, 12:43:28 PM
Do the new Ace trucks come standard with the 38 special nuts?  Just ordered a pair from Tactics that came with them. If it's a case of them sending me old back stock of the previous model, I'll be sending them back for a refund.

Nope. They sent you the old designs. New ones come with regular axle nuts, and brighter white top and bottom bushings. The hanger is also a wider ďVĒ than the previous version. Send them back and get yourself the newer designs from a local shop or SoCal.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 02, 2018, 10:43:51 PM
Just wanted to give you guys a heads up, Ace still hasnít fixed their QC issues. I got a pair of 44ís from a local shop, the one had a hanger wider than the other one by a substantial amount. Brought them back and swapped them out for a set that lined up fine. I checked out some other sets and one set of 55ís had one hanger that was wider, too. It wasnít as bad as the 44ís but you could still see it. This all happened with the newest designs, too. And yes, I lined them up carefully.

Worst thing Iíve seen with Indy or Thunder was some hanger aluminum bleeding onto the axle making me have to scrape it off with a knife so my bearings would be able to spin. Never experienced improper unmatching hanger widths though.

Just saying, check your Ace trucks still to see if you got a product worth your hard earned money, or a flop set. Bullshit how this still is happening.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NootNoot on May 03, 2018, 10:08:09 AM
Just wanted to give you guys a heads up, Ace still hasnít fixed their QC issues. I got a pair of 44ís from a local shop, the one had a hanger wider than the other one by a substantial amount. Brought them back and swapped them out for a set that lined up fine. I checked out some other sets and one set of 55ís had one hanger that was wider, too. It wasnít as bad as the 44ís but you could still see it. This all happened with the newest designs, too. And yes, I lined them up carefully.

Worst thing Iíve seen with Indy or Thunder was some hanger aluminum bleeding onto the axle making me have to scrape it off with a knife so my bearings would be able to spin. Never experienced improper unmatching hanger widths though.

Just saying, check your Ace trucks still to see if you got a product worth your hard earned money, or a flop set. Bullshit how this still is happening.
I tried to order a set of the new classics to see the differences just two weeks ago, when they came and I mounted them something was off and I couldnít figure it out, the front truck was not straight and I thought my brand new deck was warped and I got all bummed, switched to my old deck and the same problem, turns out the mounting holes on the baseplate werenít drilled properly so the truck sat slightly off centre. I could have used my old baseplates I guess but I just returned them. I have however been rocking a set of ace 44 problem free for a year now and I genuinely enjoy them so I canít say itís been all bad.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 03, 2018, 10:50:39 AM
Yeah, I love Ace trucks and canít ride anything else, but when you claim to have made improvements, start kicking it up a notch and hyping up your trucks like crazy through marketing and social media, then still have sets with defective hangers and mounting holes, thatís incompetence.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NootNoot on May 03, 2018, 11:03:06 AM
Yeah forsure. Also the 38 special nuts they introduced them and were vocal about it on social media and then a few months later quietly got rid of them. A bunch of people say they came lose while riding so why are they still selling trucks with them to unsuspecting people? Most 44s I see in shops have them. How did someone engineer those and not foresee the problems of them stripping immediately or coming off because they have no nylock? They have quality control issues but are focusing on gimmicky axle nuts? Its weird if they could just fix that quality control and possibly offer lighter versions of their trucks for people who prioritize that, ace could really take over a significant market share in the truck game.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 03, 2018, 02:12:12 PM
Yeah they hyped the crap out of those .38 specials. I had some sets with them and noticed Iíd have to crank the nut all the way until my wheel couldnít spin, then loosen it back to normal in order for them to stay on properly. If I just tightened them like normal without going all the way, theyíd barely stay on the axle and would have definitely fallen off quickly.

They werenít the original ones that came up with that idea for the .38 axle nuts. Some dude that passed away, but I forgot his name and they never gave credit to him. You arenít wrong though, they put regular axle nuts on the axles with these newer ones without admitting the 38ís were a bad idea. They also got rid of the curved hanger which seemed like an innovative idea but turned out to just cause a lot of bending problems.

I honestly donít care about hollow or titanium axles or kingpins. The truckís geometry is perfect, they just need to stop blowing it with their QC. Thatís the real reason why people hate on Ace and stick with the Indy cult. And I understand, because Indy is the most reliable skateboard truck in the entire world. They had their past of faulty runs and no company is perfect, but Stage 11ís, although a slow turning geometry, still dominates in terms of QC and reliability.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on May 04, 2018, 01:11:32 AM
I switched from Indy to Ace because I had two axle slip defect on my Indy.
I honestly don't see any big difference in term of Quality between Indy and Ace...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 04, 2018, 02:21:32 AM
Iíve said it in this thread before but Iím gonna say it again, Iíve been running 38 specials on my current set of 144s and have never had them vibrate of or strip out, I was bummed when they quietly took them off the market but stocked up on sets.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on May 04, 2018, 07:39:15 AM
I've had four sets of Ace now and haven't had  single issue with QC. Bummer for those of you who did.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on May 04, 2018, 07:55:12 AM
I think the problem is that there are a lot of versions floating around out there.

The first run of the V2 (including the 38 specials) had issues.  I personally had to buy 4 sets of 55's just to get two trucks that had the same hanger width and centered axles.

I do think they changed the tooling in the factory for the V2.5 AKA Classics).  I just bought two new pairs of 55's and they're both flawless

If you're ordering some, get them from Skatewarehouse, Socal Skateshop or Ace direct to ensure you're getting the current version. there's a lot of old stock floating around out there
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on May 04, 2018, 08:11:54 AM
I'm going to guess that quality control and dealing with the factories is not easy and trucks are the most complicated out of any skate hardware so I can see how Indy might be more consistent in their quality. Ace will get it dialled in soon. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 04, 2018, 10:02:02 AM
I'd imagine now with the switch from Diamond (was that ever confirmed?) they've gone with new partners; clearly they're working on getting their shit straight.

But as BMC mentioned, there is lots of stock out there so be selective. If ordering from SoCal or SW, I'd specify you want the NEW classics as the warehouse dudes might grab you old stock (especially if you order anything other than 44s). Purple coping eaters, Rally Green or Matte Black you can be certain are new stock no matter who you order from but unless I was ordering other shit, I'd buy straight from ACE and not the middle man.

I'm back in (the) black now and want to pick up a new complete and trying to decide on new ACEs (my mag plates are shot but I'm still rocking newish stage II hangers so I'd feel bad but no plates) or taking one for the team and trying the new tensors....;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 04, 2018, 08:45:39 PM
I skated the new designs for the first time today, all day long. 44ís. The new stock bushings are a serious improvement. Even the pivot cups I had ZERO squeak whatsoever and Iím surprised because every truck company, including Aceís older trucks always squeak like crazy with the crap plastic stock cups they put in there. I didnít even need to put my Riptideís in these new Aceís. Literally I just turned the kingpin looser so the nut was flush and they feel exactly like Krux aftermarkets. I think they noticed how many praised the Krux in them, because they made this new batch with pearly white bushings just like Krux and the durometer is just about the same.

Iím a big dude at around 210lbs and actually was getting some pretty serious wheelbite on these new Aceís when I kept the rear truck with the nut flush. I had to tighten that one a little more than the front so I wasnít nearly coming to a halt on my deeper turns. It doesnít matter though, either way theyíre perfect when ran stock, whether youíre light or on the heavy side. Finally a truck company offering quality stock bushings and pivot cups right off the bat.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 04, 2018, 10:41:55 PM
ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups  ;D ;D ;D

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-10.jpg)

Also, on their site:

"T-shirt & Trucks ($69.99/up) Free Shipping on U.S. Orders"

Add one set of (raw) trucks and one shirt to the cart and guess what the total is?

$68.99 :P - I'm a fan but that's pretty fucking weak...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: goatgruff13 on May 05, 2018, 12:36:05 AM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/htws60.jpg)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/2j5zaxh.jpg)

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2vcdkq1.jpg)

I already posted this in the setup thread, but I seen this Ace thread and figured I'd post here. I haven't owned a board in like 15 years or so. But a week or two ago the weather was so nice I randomly decided to build myself a cruiser. It feels good to be back skating! Anyways this is my new setup:

RIPNDIP 9.0 Deck - I really dig the shape and it has a 15.75" wheelbase which is nice for my bigass.
Mob Grip Space Out
Ace 55 "Purple Coping Eaters" - Bones Hardcore Bushings Medium Bottoms/Hard Tops, Riptide 96a Pivot Cups
Kryptonics Star Trac 65mm 86a Wheels
Black Panther Ceramic Bearings
1/2" Psycho Shock Risers
Loaded Button Head Allen Hardware

I always rode indys back in my day but one of my buddies told me about Ace and then I read a bunch online and figured I'd give em a shot. I'm really liking them! I'm old and dad bod fat now days (225lbs) so I ended up swapping the bushings because I was just mashing the stock bushings. I thought at first the slop was maybe because I was just so out of practice, but after switching the bushings and messing with the setup and tightness over a week or so it's made a night and day difference for me. Bones medium bottoms and hard tops with the stock Ace washers on top and bottom, and the kingpin nut tightened to where the second thread is just visible. I'm having a blast skating again, and this setup rides and carves so smooth! I'm going to swap out the risers with smaller 1/4" risers and see how that works out with wheelbite tomorrow. The 1/2" risers make the carve nice and I get zero wheelbite, but it's such a pain to ollie lol. But I'm pretty sold on the Aces at this point! I do not regret the purchase whatsoever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: micky682 on May 05, 2018, 07:52:11 AM
ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups  ;D ;D ;D

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-10.jpg)

Also, on their site:

"T-shirt & Trucks ($69.99/up) Free Shipping on U.S. Orders"

Add one set of (raw) trucks and one shirt to the cart and guess what the total is?

$68.99 :P - I'm a fan but that's pretty fucking weak...
I'm pretty sure that picture is from an instagram post of Julien Stranger's trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sad Hippo on May 05, 2018, 08:13:13 AM
ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups  ;D ;D ;D


That's what happens when you skate.  Everyone blows out pivot cups if you're doing it right.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Seadramon on May 05, 2018, 11:20:14 AM
they sponsor vinnie banh so y'know they good
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Nate on May 05, 2018, 12:20:17 PM
I found a pair of indy 149 hangers, would they work on an ace baseplate?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 05, 2018, 04:22:23 PM

ACE's own promo shots have blown out cups  ;D ;D ;D

(https://www.acetrucks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Ace_Catalog_Spring_2018-10.jpg)

Yeah but they also have bones bushings in that pair that he cropped out, so donít knock their marketing dept too hard man
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on May 08, 2018, 11:44:51 AM
If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: NootNoot on May 09, 2018, 11:01:21 PM
If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.
Do you live in Canada? If so Iíll send you some for free. If not just pay the shipping. Dm me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on May 10, 2018, 12:38:37 AM
anyone know if any uk shops have the new shape 33's?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on May 13, 2018, 10:36:46 AM
i've been thinking about trying aces out as they are finally available in poland and i've heard that they bend like crazy, is that true? i only know one person who has skated aces and his pair bent, is this still the case?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 13, 2018, 10:51:32 AM
i've been thinking about trying aces out as they are finally available in poland and i've heard that they bend like crazy, is that true? i only know one person who has skated aces and his pair bent, is this still the case?

Had you read through this thread you would have found that ACEs no longer have a bending issue; just be sure if you buy them that you are getting NEW stock (you can read this thread to help you figure out what that means).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: roba on May 13, 2018, 11:29:41 AM
i've been thinking about trying aces out as they are finally available in poland and i've heard that they bend like crazy, is that true? i only know one person who has skated aces and his pair bent, is this still the case?

Had you read through this thread you would have found that ACEs no longer have a bending issue; just be sure if you buy them that you are getting NEW stock (you can read this thread to help you figure out what that means).

thanks, now i have the motivation to scroll through 31 pages
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 17, 2018, 08:00:48 PM
If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.

Check your inbox
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 17, 2018, 08:42:28 PM
If anyone has some decent condition 44's I'd buy a used set to try.

Check your inbox

Between th two of us we can make some 44s for him ;0
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 17, 2018, 09:34:48 PM
Lol, yeah I forgot I have an extra set of stage 1 44ís that were never mounted or skated. Raw silver. And still all the extra baseplates and the brand new 33ís like we talked about. At this point, I have an Ace tacklebox as well as a gigantic boneyard of all sorts of truck stuff. Still have some used 159 standard Indyís Iíd like to get rid of, brand new standard 149 Thunders, and much much more. Too many slightly used boards from trying different sizes and changing my mind. Total madness.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on May 23, 2018, 08:57:02 PM
Curious, for those who have run Aces with bones bushings (medium) how do you rate them compared to the new stock bushings? Are you able to run the bones looser than the stocks?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 26, 2018, 05:08:41 PM
I have three sets of ace as of right now and a Mag baseplate. I had two older ace 44s with the mag plates. And god they were awesome. Right now I have one set of old 66s and two sets of the newer design in 44 and 55. They feel different it might be psychological but they feel off. Can get the feeling of the older ones back. Could be cause I got fat but still I can't replicate the feeling of before. So I started riding some stage 7 indys which feel fucking good but I get mad wheelbite. They turn awesome though.
Any fat dudes rocking aces? Or just my lonesome fat ass?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 26, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
I weigh 95 kg currently  :'( and ride only Aces. Old 44s with and without mag plates on two setups and new 44s and 55s on two cruiser setups. The new Aces don't turn as well as the old ones but I think that's just cuz they're not properly broken in yet. They turn nice but it's not as nice as the old ones which are properly broken in. All of them are stock with the nut flush. It did take me quite long to break in the old Aces too and even though people say that the new ones require no break in, I'm thinking they do.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 27, 2018, 12:31:46 AM
I weigh 95 kg currently  :'( and ride only Aces.
Im at 116 kg right now. Lol but i was skating some stage 7 indys that I had around. I also have some Titanium Thunders 149 with the raised baseplate. I used to get wheelbite a lot with older thunders might try these out. But Ill probably go back to the stage 7 indys. Such a shame they are getting harder to find and fucking expensive.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 27, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
210lbs. I am now riding these new Aces with the old hard-as-fuck Ace stock bottom bushings with the stock washers, and no top bushing. Two stock Ace top washers flipped upside down for each truck, and the kingpin nuts flipped upside down and tightened down far enough to allow some pretty insane wobble but enough to make the washers catch right before it hits wheelbite. Took me only a day to get used to it and now Iím addicted. The sound when I roll, the carve, the challenge..it gets me stoked. Also running three speed rings on the inside of each wheel, one on the outside, and my axle nuts flipped opposite and tightened flush with enough wiggle room for the wheels. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on May 28, 2018, 05:54:58 AM
210lbs. I am now riding these new Aces with the old hard-as-fuck Ace stock bottom bushings with the stock washers, and no top bushing. Two stock Ace top washers flipped upside down for each truck, and the kingpin nuts flipped upside down and tightened down far enough to allow some pretty insane wobble but enough to make the washers catch right before it hits wheelbite. Took me only a day to get used to it and now Iím addicted. The sound when I roll, the carve, the challenge..it gets me stoked. Also running three speed rings on the inside of each wheel, one on the outside, and my axle nuts flipped opposite and tightened flush with enough wiggle room for the wheels.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/zjQrmdlR9ZCM/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 28, 2018, 07:29:48 AM
210lbs. I am now riding these new Aces with the old hard-as-fuck Ace stock bottom bushings with the stock washers, and no top bushing. Two stock Ace top washers flipped upside down for each truck, and the kingpin nuts flipped upside down and tightened down far enough to allow some pretty insane wobble but enough to make the washers catch right before it hits wheelbite. Took me only a day to get used to it and now Iím addicted. The sound when I roll, the carve, the challenge..it gets me stoked. Also running three speed rings on the inside of each wheel, one on the outside, and my axle nuts flipped opposite and tightened flush with enough wiggle room for the wheels.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/zjQrmdlR9ZCM/giphy.gif)

That guy looked like Feedback Ted for a second...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 28, 2018, 06:26:18 PM
I get the same look as marky mark from everyone I know at the park.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on May 28, 2018, 08:43:20 PM
People like you are why it took me so long to try aces again. Making them shits sound like a rubicks cube to setup.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 28, 2018, 10:53:42 PM
To each their own. Some people, including myself get bored and/or unsatisfied and like experimenting. I did this over the winter actually, on my Stage 2 Aceís and really liked it, but once I got these new ones I wanted to see how things would be leaving them stock. Since I weigh more than most on a board, when the new stock bushings really started to break in, leaving them loose and stock actually gave me more wheelbite when Iíd lean than when I revisited this crazy ass no top bushing set-up. Like I said, the washers catch it before they hit wheelbite and the hard bottom bushing keeps it more stable than youíd think.

It makes tricks more challenging and requires more muscle strength around your ankles when youíre trying to balance on one foot while pushing. Havenít bombed a hill yet, Iím sure the speed wobbles might be insane, so that could be the only downside. I suppose I run the risk of loosening the kingpins faster or just straight snapping one, but Iím not gonna sit and worry about it. Like Matt Rodriguez said, ďthose that feel it, feel it, itís not for everyone. Itís meant to be enjoyedĒ.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: radcunt on May 30, 2018, 03:56:12 PM
Wanna try some 66s but no one I know rides em to nab a few turns.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on May 30, 2018, 08:31:24 PM
Getting trucks from Skate Warehouse. They say 8.25. Are these 44s?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on May 30, 2018, 08:53:06 PM
Getting trucks from Skate Warehouse. They say 8.25. Are these 44s?

Yessir! Even tho they measure 8.35" but that's ACE's fault for labeling them 8.25" waaaaaaay back in the day.

Dude, you missed the memorial day sale, quicken the pace next time brosef!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 30, 2018, 10:07:54 PM
I have to sets of aces im willing to let go for cheaper . 44s brand new silver and 55s in rally green used in one curb session.

I also have my 66's with Mag plates but I love those
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on May 30, 2018, 11:40:42 PM
how much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on May 31, 2018, 07:04:54 AM
how much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?

you uk/europe? if fifty8mm doesnt want to ship intl. then i have a set of 44 with mag plates, used but great condition. will pm pics if interested and ill throw in the original cast plates which are unused. £30/Ä35 inc. postage
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Shuh on May 31, 2018, 07:06:41 AM
Any hillbombers here? Or you guys just ride tranny?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on May 31, 2018, 10:31:10 AM
I may be interested in buying a set of mag plates off someone if they arenít too beat up. Located in USA. PM me if you do, thanks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 31, 2018, 11:07:42 AM
how much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?

you uk/europe? if fifty8mm doesnt want to ship intl. then i have a set of 44 with mag plates, used but great condition. will pm pics if interested and ill throw in the original cast plates which are unused. £30/Ä35 inc. postage

Good fucking deal!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Roisto on May 31, 2018, 12:01:23 PM
how much for the 44s, and will you ship intl.?

you uk/europe? if fifty8mm doesnt want to ship intl. then i have a set of 44 with mag plates, used but great condition. will pm pics if interested and ill throw in the original cast plates which are unused. £30/Ä35 inc. postage

Good fucking deal!

Yes! I almost wanna snatch them up, but I've got three sets of 44s already, one with mag plates, so I don't really need more. 🤔
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on May 31, 2018, 12:29:23 PM
I may be interested in buying a set of mag plates off someone if they arenít too beat up. Located in USA. PM me if you do, thanks.

I have an extra set of mag plates that I fucking stripped off the black paint. If you are interested.  Pm me or whatever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 01, 2018, 09:30:39 AM
What did you use to remove it?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: boxlogo on June 01, 2018, 12:57:59 PM
For some reason I can't pm NootNoot anymore, (whenever I send an error code comes up saying nobody by this user name exists). Anyways big shout out to NootNoot, if you ever find yourself in Squamish ill be at the skatepark downtown and ill have a bunch of beers for you. Thank you for the trucks.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on June 01, 2018, 02:36:12 PM
I got my trucks yesterday from Noot, how many people did he buy trucks for? Was Nootnoot Rodney Mullen?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Smartass on June 01, 2018, 04:45:49 PM
I got my trucks yesterday from Noot, how many people did he buy trucks for? Was Nootnoot Rodney Mullen?
Damn Noot hooking it up before disappearing... almost like a skate Santa or something...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on June 01, 2018, 06:02:47 PM
What did you use to remove it?

So long ago. As soon as I got em I stripped em. I used goof off on a sponge and lots of rubbing with said sponge.
 Nothing too strong since I remember my friends old Gullwing Mags fucked up cause he let them sit on fucking strong industrial stripper haha! Shits cracked!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: curbsmash on June 03, 2018, 08:41:00 AM
There's been some big guys (200+) on here of late running Aces so I wanted to offer up Doh Dohs as a worthwhile option to explore. Someone - probably Rob? - mentioned a while back they fit pretty well in Aces, albeit with an extra thread showing due to a slightly shorter top bushing. I've been experimenting with Ace setups (stock, Krux, Bones) and I'm really feeling black (100a) Doh Dohs; even tightened a bit extra there's plenty of turn without the floppiness I (220ish) was getting with Krux bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 03, 2018, 09:04:10 AM
There's been some big guys (200+) on here of late running Aces so I wanted to offer up Doh Dohs as a worthwhile option to explore. Someone - probably Rob? - mentioned a while back they fit pretty well in Aces, albeit with an extra thread showing due to a slightly shorter top bushing. I've been experimenting with Ace setups (stock, Krux, Bones) and I'm really feeling black (100a) Doh Dohs; even tightened a bit extra there's plenty of turn without the floppiness I (220ish) was getting with Krux bushings.

Hard MiniLogo bushings are also an option (same height as stock ACEs).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: full of jerks on June 03, 2018, 10:29:49 AM
The Deluxe Supercush bushings in 97 and 99 also fit Ace trucks.  The 94 do not, they are standard Indy height. 

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheLowerBack on June 05, 2018, 03:46:06 PM
Sorry if this has already been addressed
What risers fit flush?
When using a Krux kingpin, do you need to shave the bushings for it to fit?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on June 05, 2018, 04:20:57 PM
Sorry if this has already been addressed
What risers fit flush?
When using a Krux kingpin, do you need to shave the bushings for it to fit?

Not sure about the first one, I usually just trim risers if need be, easy with soft ones I guess. With the old aces, the top bushing was a bit tall for the krux pin so unless you tried very hard, you had to shave a bit. I think the new ones are the same though I am not certain.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 05, 2018, 04:43:17 PM
Dooks risers
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 05, 2018, 07:42:42 PM
Sorry if this has already been addressed
What risers fit flush?
When using a Krux kingpin, do you need to shave the bushings for it to fit?

Not sure about the first one, I usually just trim risers if need be, easy with soft ones I guess. With the old aces, the top bushing was a bit tall for the krux pin so unless you tried very hard, you had to shave a bit. I think the new ones are the same though I am not certain.

If you ride loose (and if you are on ACEs, why wouldn't you be) they are too tall for the Krux pin if you want to be safe in knowing the pin has been secured in the nut's nylon; I'm either going to shave them down, just use the Krux top (92a vs 91a) and ACE bottom...or finally grab some plates / new aces and not fux with the krux anymore.

ACE was willing to float me some new plates under warranty as my mounting holes bloobed out on my magplates but I didn't accept, they're old and been through the ring; it would feel wrong to take new ones.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: rob on June 06, 2018, 12:01:12 AM
Darn nootnoot is gone??

He was cool, Iíve been away cause I got some dues and I gotta work and my mini logos have been good

The doh dohs work better than the Indy aftermarkets in aces in my opinion

Dang you guys are getting me to miss my ace classics

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 06, 2018, 05:58:12 PM
Socal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 06, 2018, 06:06:49 PM
Socal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site

Oh Snap! Probably V1 stock?

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 06, 2018, 08:16:41 PM
Socal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site

Oh Snap! Probably V1 stock?

I'd say they found a box out back somewhere
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 06, 2018, 09:18:53 PM
Socal skateshop has mag plates back up on their site

Oh Snap! Probably V1 stock?

I'd say they found a box out back somewhere

I checked with the ACE folks, they were surprised - leftover stock from either diamond or Socal

Silver kingpins for Classic, black kingpins for Low.

Socal is already down 3 sets...get'em while they're hot (and sell them for double on ebay;)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on June 06, 2018, 10:17:10 PM
Those mag baseplates should be compatible with the new hangers, yeah?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 07, 2018, 07:36:30 AM
Those mag baseplates should be compatible with the new hangers, yeah?

Should?  The only relevant tweak noted on the new stage is an improved bushing seat for less wear on the cups so one has to assume there is a slight difference somewhere?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 07, 2018, 07:50:41 AM
Probably only changed the hangers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: SJ on June 07, 2018, 08:02:09 AM
I just took off baseplates for a V1 and V3. They're completely identical and only the hangers are the different.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 07, 2018, 09:18:55 AM
Probably only changed the hangers.

That's my guess.

I'm not going to bother, as I'm content with Theeve.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Firebert on June 07, 2018, 09:35:58 AM
Probably only changed the hangers.

That's my guess.

I'm not going to bother, as I'm content with Theeve.

I'm gonna grab some just to have some - also, speaking of Theeve, I just got my hands on some used Tihangers - I know the geo's are diff., but I'd still like to see how it feels to have the TiH on the mag plate.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 07, 2018, 11:40:25 AM
Probably only changed the hangers.

That's my guess.

I'm not going to bother, as I'm content with Theeve.


I'm gonna grab some just to have some - also, speaking of Theeve, I just got my hands on some used Tihangers - I know the geo's are diff., but I'd still like to see how it feels to have the TiH on the mag plate.

It won't be that noticeable enough to throw you off.

I wish Theeve still sold the Ti Kingpins, silly light!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 07, 2018, 06:12:13 PM
Some people say weight doesn't matter yet these things flew off the shelf (sold out).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 07, 2018, 06:47:02 PM
It's all placebo effect, but i go in in a big way


I wish Theeve still sold the TiBolts
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 08, 2018, 06:22:27 AM
I missed out on the plates. Why canít they just make them again?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 08, 2018, 07:05:56 AM
It's all placebo effect, but i go in in a big way


I wish Theeve still sold the TiBolts

https://asylumskateshop.com/product/toy-machine-transmissionator-yellow/

I missed out on the plates. Why canít they just make them again?

No idea, people obviously want them, even the pro/rippers that ride them at my local rock them. Socal sold out lightning fast.

My guess is the hassle in getting them made? Doesn't seem that cost/markup was an issue.

A hollow forged option would be the ticket!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on June 08, 2018, 08:01:01 AM
I was told by Ace that they will not make the mag plates again.  The issue was that too many were getting damages in shipping due to the magnesium being more fragile than aluminum.  Obviously Tensor can ship them with no issues but they also have their own factory
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on June 11, 2018, 02:14:49 AM
Palomino seems to have some, but damn 30£ for a baseplate...

https://www.thepalomino.com/products/ace-magnesium-baseplates
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on June 11, 2018, 06:22:00 PM
Man. I got some 55's and the bushings seem super soft....I know that's not uncommon with most stock bushings but I guess with that height and the turning radius it seems so loose...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sk8 Prick on June 12, 2018, 07:43:35 AM
Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on June 12, 2018, 09:30:00 AM
Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*

Been off an on ACEs for years now, never had axle slip.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on June 12, 2018, 04:29:43 PM
Man. I got some 55's and the bushings seem super soft....I know that's not uncommon with most stock bushings but I guess with that height and the turning radius it seems so loose...
They should harden up after a few sessions. Donít be afraid to tighten em down once you feel them starting to bounce back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on June 13, 2018, 02:42:09 AM
Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*

I had this on Indys, switched to Aces, had it on my last pair of Aces too.
I guess it just happens, the hanger is molded on the axle, so there's nothing to prevent this...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B. Hopper on June 18, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
Just got my first set of Ace 44s. Looking forward to trying them. Gonna set them up today!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on June 18, 2018, 11:28:44 PM
Just got my first set of Ace 44s. Looking forward to trying them. Gonna set them up today!
You'll love them. Best truck ever.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: beatifk on June 19, 2018, 05:31:59 AM
Anyone ever have issue with axel slip? Ive had one pair of ace trucks, loved how they looked and felt, but the axel slip was unbearable. Had it on both trucks. It got to the point that anytime I didn't land something my wheels would stop spinning completely. F*cked up the ends of both axels from constantly banging them on the ground to center them. Never had this issue with any trucks before (always thought it was a myth, or that people were being babies). Did I possibly have a defective pair? Have they addressed this issue? Or do I just really suck at sk8ing? *I know this has probably been discussed in depth but I'm lazy to find answers*

I had this on Indys, switched to Aces, had it on my last pair of Aces too.
I guess it just happens, the hanger is molded on the axle, so there's nothing to prevent this...

Yeah, I don't know how people don't get axel slip eventually... I only skate indys and ace currently, but they all have some level of axel slip. I do a lot of slappies so I'm pretty rough on them but it still can get annoying to constantly keep checking to see that the wheels are spinning freely.

But the axel slip on ace and indy is nothing compared to some ventures I had several years back which would slip constantly. I haven't tried ventures since but I have been curious (aka experiencing acute truck madness).
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: j....soy..... on June 19, 2018, 08:41:37 AM
That's why I skated the Theeve tih's for so long.....I've now finally moved back to traditional trucks.  My fingers are crossed....I can fuck with the tap....tap....
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on June 21, 2018, 11:22:05 AM
Three speed rings on the inside, one outside, and flip those axle nuts. No axle slip ever again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: B. Hopper on June 27, 2018, 10:38:58 PM
My first pair of Ace trucks. So far, I love them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkTotyeFJny/?taken-by=boarderhoppersskatemedia
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on July 14, 2018, 08:08:17 AM
If anyone is selling some Mag plates, holler- I'll buy a set.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: clamy on July 28, 2018, 06:38:18 AM
I just set up my third set of 44s. My last two sets lasted a year and then the axles slipped. On the first set both axles slipped, and on the second set only one axle slipped.

Is axle slip more likely to happen if you skate trucks that are wider than your board? I skate 44s on 8 and 8.125.

I'd rather set up a new set of Aces every year than have the same old slow turning Indies for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on July 29, 2018, 11:47:25 AM
I just set up my third set of 44s. My last two sets lasted a year and then the axles slipped. On the first set both axles slipped, and on the second set only one axle slipped.

Is axle slip more likely to happen if you skate trucks that are wider than your board? I skate 44s on 8 and 8.125.

I'd rather set up a new set of Aces every year than have the same old slow turning Indies for a couple of years.

Quality control would be the problem.
I'm skating 44s on 8s and 8.12s and have  had no problems. Probably does help to keep truck sizing equal to or under board width..
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: chiefqueef420 on July 30, 2018, 07:09:24 PM
Three speed rings on the inside, one outside, and flip those axle nuts. No axle slip ever again.
I've heard of people doing both of those (speed ring trick and flipped axle nuts) before but never knew the purpose. Does this really help axle slip, and if it does, does anyone know how or why?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on July 30, 2018, 08:42:48 PM
Been skating since forever and a day, never heard of flipping axle nuts around.

Back when indy and thunder would slip all the time Stage III+ spacers and rings to keep the nuts flush at the tip of the axle and zero play with the wheels was the only way to keep slip at bay. Probably still works.

With ACE'sQC, it's usually impossible to get three rings on each side.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: TheVisitor on August 02, 2018, 12:13:51 AM
Want to trade Thunder Titanmiums 147 or 149 for Ace 44's. Preferably for the most recent Ace redesign. I have both Forged and Cast hollow kingpin baseplates availabe for the Thunders. Will also consider Hollow Indy 144/149.

My Thunders are skated but have plenty of life left. No blown out bushings or pivot cups, plenty of meat left on the axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on August 07, 2018, 05:45:04 PM
Man. I got some 55's and the bushings seem super soft....I know that's not uncommon with most stock bushings but I guess with that height and the turning radius it seems so loose...
They should harden up after a few sessions. Donít be afraid to tighten em down once you feel them starting to bounce back.

I found the opposite; even with the kingpin nuts wound all the way out they were too tight at first, but now after a few months they're perfect.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FluFlammer on August 14, 2018, 02:23:20 PM
has anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on August 14, 2018, 08:04:32 PM
has anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.

yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: FluFlammer on August 14, 2018, 11:44:53 PM
has anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.

yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.

Thank you bro i appreciate it!
My local park is an all tranny park so it wont be an issue
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Decreed Bratton on August 15, 2018, 11:32:45 AM
has anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.

yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.

Thank you bro i appreciate it!
My local park is an all tranny park so it wont be an issue

I've been riding 44's on an 8.5 as well. It doesn't bother me that the truck is slightly in. I am riding a board with a tapered tail though. Might feel different with full shapes.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: ballintoohard on August 16, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
has anyone here made a switch from indy 149's to ace 44's on an 8.5? Looking to shoot my shot with them and want to hear your experiences.

yes, and it was great. i could ride either truck but the ace just slightly trumps indy on turn ability. a tad lower and lighter but not really much. Don't worry about the width too much. ace 44s come in around 8 3/8" that's a 1/16" narrower on each side of the board than a 149. if you skate tranny and like loose trucks, you're especially stoked. if you mainly skate street or like tighter trucks- there's not much in it.

I made the same switch, skate medium trucks, love the Ace, never going back.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on August 17, 2018, 11:44:18 AM
Been switching back and forth Indy and Ace and can't seem to settle on one. Once getting used to one and liking it, I get the itch to switch back to the other and vice versa. Atleast I narrowed the madness between these two trucks...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ankle_Lift on August 18, 2018, 10:35:29 AM
I just got a pair of 44s after hearing all of you gush about aces. First session on a mini ramp this morning and god damn those trucks are loose. I know that's kind of their thing though but after I got the feel of them they feel pretty good once I fiddles with the kindling a bit. Nice smooth grind to them. 

Anyone put stiffer bushings in them, or are you all super loose truck guys?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hmmmokay on August 18, 2018, 10:52:03 AM
I just got a pair of 44s after hearing all of you gush about aces. First session on a mini ramp this morning and god damn those trucks are loose. I know that's kind of their thing though but after I got the feel of them they feel pretty good once I fiddles with the kindling a bit. Nice smooth grind to them. 

Anyone put stiffer bushings in them, or are you all super loose truck guys?

Yep, these guys.

(https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/images/products/preview/1SBON04PAK003WK.jpg)

I was riding them in my thunders as well, but not tightening them down too much so they were still relatively "loose" just, in my opinion, a bit more responsive than the medium bushings. They also have not softened up as fast (or at all really) as the mediums.

Contrary to how most people ride bones bushings (including myself before I got Aces), when I put them in my 44s, I kept a bottom washer on so I didn't have to tighten up so much on the kingpin. I've got about one thread from the kingpin above the top of the nut, still have the amazing turning performance that Ace is known for but with a bit more stability from the hard bushings.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on August 18, 2018, 11:10:25 AM
I just got a pair of 44s after hearing all of you gush about aces. First session on a mini ramp this morning and god damn those trucks are loose. I know that's kind of their thing though but after I got the feel of them they feel pretty good once I fiddles with the kindling a bit. Nice smooth grind to them. 

Anyone put stiffer bushings in them, or are you all super loose truck guys?
I donít skate loose trucks at all, after the first two sessions the stock bushings stiffened up just fine. I tightened them maybe 1/4-1/2 turn on each truck and havenít messed with them since. I would give the stock bushings a good week or two before you switch them out.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ankle_Lift on August 18, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
All good to know! I'll let them break in a bit before I try new bushings. I hate that feeling where you're thrown off a bit for a session or two when you get new trucks or a new deck or whatever. 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on August 18, 2018, 09:53:25 PM
Just out of curiosity, what wheelbase board do you guys find best with ace?
I like 14.25, but have had nose and tail lengths affect that sweet spot.
Anyone loyal to one board brand/dimension with the aces?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on August 19, 2018, 12:15:10 AM
Just out of curiosity, what wheelbase board do you guys find best with ace?
I like 14.25, but have had nose and tail lengths affect that sweet spot.
Anyone loyal to one board brand/dimension with the aces?

I'm pretty tall, liked my aces with wheelbase between 14.5-14.75, a bit less is good too, better for tech but less stable. Skated a pennswood with a 14 inch wb with aces once and that was wayyyy too small.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on August 19, 2018, 01:28:41 AM
Currently skating some copper aces that I found dirt cheap (23 bucks). Im a tad worried since my next two decks in line to ride are Scumco's and they have a small wheelbases.
 PS stix Scumco has a bigger wheelbase at 14.125"  than the pennswood Scumco but not much. The pennswood is exactly 14".
I hope it works for me since Im not that tall 5'9".
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hermanos racists on August 19, 2018, 01:37:33 AM
i tried my 44's with bones hards without bottom washer and they are not that good as with the stocks ones.made an awful sound and didnt turn as good.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 19, 2018, 08:37:03 AM
I rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.

Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.

I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on August 19, 2018, 09:47:51 AM
I rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.

Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.

I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)

On this note.

I noticed with the shortened wheelbase I have to position my foot more central on the board as opposed to just behind the bolts for most tricks. Something that I am not at all used to due to muscle memory.

Love my Ace trucks though!
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on August 19, 2018, 12:34:14 PM
I rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.

Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.

I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)

On this note.

I noticed with the shortened wheelbase I have to position my foot more central on the board as opposed to just behind the bolts for most tricks. Something that I am not at all used to due to muscle memory.

Love my Ace trucks though!

On shorter WB boards with ACE/Indy/Theeve I find I put my front much further up, sometimes right at the edge of the kick when skating bowls vs just behind the first set of bolts on loner WB.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on August 19, 2018, 01:30:20 PM
I rode the 03 (lows) with bones hards, it worked oddly enough.

Can't ride ACE on short WBs, that's just me,even 14.25 feels too short with them.

I've a pair setup on an 14.5" WB and some thunders on a 14.25" both feel great (prefer the Thunders right now tho but that could be just the feel of the 101 spit 52 classics with dry AF swiss six)

On this note.

I noticed with the shortened wheelbase I have to position my foot more central on the board as opposed to just behind the bolts for most tricks. Something that I am not at all used to due to muscle memory.

Love my Ace trucks though!

On shorter WB boards with ACE/Indy/Theeve I find I put my front much further up, sometimes right at the edge of the kick when skating bowls vs just behind the first set of bolts on loner WB.

that's nuts man, just goes to show how differing technique can be from one individual to another.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: troy on August 20, 2018, 10:20:46 AM
Just copped some second gen aces. They were a little to tight stock so I put the krux top bushing in and I am liking it so far. When those bushings crap out, what should I use to replace the bottom bushing? Will the whole krux replacement kit work?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Daniel on August 20, 2018, 10:45:28 AM
The stock new replacements for aces fully broken in work the best out of everything.
If you're still wanting loose, you can even buy a second set of low replacements and use the shorter top bushing from that set paired with your regular tall cylinder. Gives kind of a rattle loose feel but still stable...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whenyousleep on August 31, 2018, 04:52:26 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Deekay on August 31, 2018, 05:02:44 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

I used to skate 33's and 8" Roger boards a few years ago when they had those square PS STIX shapes and it may be my favorite kind of setup ever. If you're interested, try it, they're great.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 03, 2018, 04:11:25 PM
Anyone have any .38 specials unused? Iíve never had problems with them and I like seeing them on my axles.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 03, 2018, 05:39:49 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Sundaynuggets on September 03, 2018, 05:42:10 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

Yep! I skate 33ís on 8/8.12 on both short wheel base Pennswood decks and a slightly longer wheelbase Real deck in 8.25. They work great!

Iím going to try moving up to 8.25 and possibly 8.5 wide decks so I think Iíll try ACE 44ís when I do that but for now the 33ís are great
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: whenyousleep on September 04, 2018, 09:14:32 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?

Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kentrock on September 04, 2018, 09:40:13 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?

Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D

why?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on September 05, 2018, 12:22:46 AM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?

Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D

why?

hotroddin sucks son thats why
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: cosmicgypsies on September 05, 2018, 02:37:16 AM
Been skating since forever and a day, never heard of flipping axle nuts around.

Back when indy and thunder would slip all the time Stage III+ spacers and rings to keep the nuts flush at the tip of the axle and zero play with the wheels was the only way to keep slip at bay. Probably still works.

With ACE'sQC, it's usually impossible to get three rings on each side.

bit late but responding to this, usually we flip axle nuts around when someones axle threads/nut is fucked as a temporary way to keep them skating. not pretty but it works as the nylock part gets on first.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kentrock on September 05, 2018, 01:33:32 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?

Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D

why?

hotroddin sucks son thats why

doesnt bother me what anyone else does
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: hey pickle on September 05, 2018, 02:46:39 PM
Does anyone skate the 33's on an 8? I feel like everyone here is on the 44 gang

I rocked some 33s, 8/8.125/8.25- worked great, can't see why they wouldn't?

Haha, I guess when I see some people in the setup thread riding the 44s on an 8 or 8.1, I get a lil scared ;D

why?

hotroddin sucks son thats why

doesnt bother me what anyone else does

you asked son
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Mongoloid on September 05, 2018, 04:08:20 PM
I've done 33's and 44's on 8"-8.25".

There was no real notable difference for me.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on September 05, 2018, 08:13:39 PM
Just had my second sesh on the new 44s after coming off of thunder 149s
Honestly it took me longer to get used to the pop of thunders after half a lifetime on Indys
44s feel good but those bushings need to harden up sometime soon, defs fun for just cruising around though
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Ankle_Lift on September 06, 2018, 08:07:32 AM
Just had my second sesh on the new 44s after coming off of thunder 149s
Honestly it took me longer to get used to the pop of thunders after half a lifetime on Indys
44s feel good but those bushings need to harden up sometime soon, defs fun for just cruising around though

I felt the same way. I couldn't believe how squirrelly they felt first session, but I was coming off riding a pair of Royals that I had apparently gotten pretty used to. I  just cranked them down a bunch then slowly a re-tightened then as they loosened back up as I skated to what felt good. They definitely will harden up. It didn't take long. A few miniramp and park sessions.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 07, 2018, 11:41:22 AM
I grabbed some size 33 stage II .38 specials recently and I like looking down and seeing the old classic slimmer design hanger compared to the new beefed up one. These have the really hard stock bushings but Iím just being patient with them and letting them break in. The newest design Aceís stock bushings were a bit too soft for my liking, I got crazy wheelbite. Once these ones break in theyíre the perfect balance of not too hard and not too soft.

Also, going down from size 44 to 33 isnít a very noticeable difference, as others have said. I like having a smaller 8.125Ē board and these 33ís. Lighter and grinds coping and curbs just as good. I initially thought theyíd end up being a bit too skinny and miss a lot of grinds but theyíve been perfect. Think I actually prefer these to 44ís now. Anyways, cheers.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 08, 2018, 12:52:07 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better? 
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Hairy Ballsagna on September 08, 2018, 01:12:28 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better? 

Wow, the same thing happened to me a couple months ago. I assumed it was just a freak thing. I can't remember how the pivot cup was doing at the time.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kentrock on September 08, 2018, 01:19:17 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?

what pivot cups fit ace other than ace or riptide?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 08, 2018, 01:43:37 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?

what pivot cups fit ace other than ace or riptide?
independent aftermarket and khiro smalls definitely don't fit. haven't tried the softs though, maybe they stretch to fit? the only ones i've tried that do fit are minilogos but they're straight up plastic. absolute garbage. does anybody know if khiro large fits? perhaps some less obscure longboard company? that or i'll try gluing the stock cups in and pouring oil.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Fifty8mm on September 08, 2018, 02:57:57 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?

Ace Mag plates are prone to breaking. With that being said mine are still going fucking strong.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: full of jerks on September 08, 2018, 06:03:33 PM
The top of a Khiro small pivot cup won't be flush with the baseplate like the stock one would be, but I couldn't tell if there was any problem because of that.  The trucks felt fine.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 08, 2018, 06:46:42 PM
Iíve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2ís. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and theyíre not thin or weak.

I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44ís with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 08, 2018, 08:52:37 PM
i've had two sets of ace 55 break recently. they both broke in the same way, baseplate on the front truck blew out on a slappy. i ride my front truck wobbly, just like i do with any other truck, but i've never broken any trucks before in any way other than the nut wearing out. one thing i've noticed is, both trucks broke right when the pivot cup started to get a bit deformed. is this a problem with the pivot cup? if so what pivot cups actually fit ace hangers?(other than ace aftermarket and riptide) or is this a problem with the baseplate? if so will mag baseplates be any better?

Ace Mag plates are prone to breaking. With that being said mine are still going fucking strong.
do you mean in a qc sense or are the mags weaker in general?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 08, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
Iíve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2ís. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and theyíre not thin or weak.

I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44ís with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.
what's the difference with stage 2 and the newest ones? both of mine had the redesign hanger and softer stock bottom bushings.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: kentrock on September 08, 2018, 09:34:37 PM
The top of a Khiro small pivot cup won't be flush with the baseplate like the stock one would be, but I couldn't tell if there was any problem because of that.  The trucks felt fine.
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what pivot cups are best?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 09, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
Iíve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2ís. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and theyíre not thin or weak.

I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44ís with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.
what's the difference with stage 2 and the newest ones? both of mine had the redesign hanger and softer stock bottom bushings.

Stage 1ís had lots of quality control issues, especially bending. Stage 2ís weíre beefed up hangers and fixed bending for the most part, along with new stock bushings which were really hard. Then stage 2.5ís were basically just 2ís with stock .38 axle nuts and the same super hard stock bushings. Stage 3ís are the current ones with even more beefed up hangers, better quality control, softer durometer and bright white stock bushings, and normal axle nuts.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tangar on September 09, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
Broke in a new set of 55s yesterday. Put a drop of speed cream in the pivot cups. (I didnít do this on my 44s and those things are loud as fuck) They were super wobbly and almost unrideable at first, after about an hour they had some bounce back and were skating fine. Will probably crank them down 1/4-1/2 turn after my next sesh on them.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 10, 2018, 02:20:48 AM
so that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier.  the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 10, 2018, 05:16:50 AM
so that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier.  the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.

Are you using the stock bushings?  People keep replacing the stock bushings with Bones and that changes the angle of the pivot putting extra stress on the pivot cavity causing it to break. 

I don't think I've seen this happen with anyone using stock bushings.

Also, the magnesium is weaker than the stock aluminum
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Thomas on September 10, 2018, 07:08:28 AM
Iíve broken three Ace baseplates at that exact same spot on different sets of stage 2ís. All from slappies. Had nothing to do with pivot cups either. Was always running riptides and theyíre not thin or weak.

I recommend just getting the newest designs. I have a set of 44ís with no top bushing and have beat the living shit out of them. No issues with kingpins coming loose, pivots ripping, or baseplates breaking. Their new stock pivot cups are fine. Riptides are the only other ones that fit properly, as far as I know.
what's the difference with stage 2 and the newest ones? both of mine had the redesign hanger and softer stock bottom bushings.

Stage 1ís had lots of quality control issues, especially bending. Stage 2ís weíre beefed up hangers and fixed bending for the most part, along with new stock bushings which were really hard. Then stage 2.5ís were basically just 2ís with stock .38 axle nuts and the same super hard stock bushings. Stage 3ís are the current ones with even more beefed up hangers, better quality control, softer durometer and bright white stock bushings, and normal axle nuts.

Anyone have a picture for comparison ?
I'm not sure I've got Stage 3 now...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: sweet pee on September 10, 2018, 07:20:26 AM
The Stage 3 hangers should look like this
(https://i.imgur.com/rESyrZ4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: I AM on September 10, 2018, 08:25:25 AM
so that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier.  the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.

Are you using the stock bushings?  People keep replacing the stock bushings with Bones and that changes the angle of the pivot putting extra stress on the pivot cavity causing it to break. 

I don't think I've seen this happen with anyone using stock bushings.

Also, the magnesium is weaker than the stock aluminum
both times i broke the trucks, i was riding stock bushings with the bottom washer. i suspect the reason they broke was because i ride my front truck wobbly loose. the up down play might have had something to do with it.

are they actually weaker? i think i read somewhere that they were stronger, lighter, and had a slightly shorter kingpin. i believed this since i've never seen a broken mag baseplate before. i've also never seen broken baseplates with someone who rides the stock bushings without bottom washers or bones without bottom washers. also, is magnesium a weaker material or do the mag baseplates have a reputation of breaking?
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: BMCsteve on September 10, 2018, 12:01:12 PM
so that means i've broken 2 stage 3 base plates. i'm giving ace one last chance to redeem themselves with the mags. if those break then i'm going back to indys until they
reinforce the baseplate. i don't know why ace keep beefing up the hanger when all that's doing is making them look uglier and heavier.  the hanger is fine, it's everything else that's not. also, doesn't ace use higher quality metal than indy? i read something on this board about ace not being forged and thats why they're so weak. i don't know enough about this to form an opinion but i really think ace should start using stronger metals and different casting techniques or whatever because mags aren't cheap and if they break i might not feel like buying anything from ace ever again.

Are you using the stock bushings?  People keep replacing the stock bushings with Bones and that changes the angle of the pivot putting extra stress on the pivot cavity causing it to break. 

I don't think I've seen this happen with anyone using stock bushings.

Also, the magnesium is weaker than the stock aluminum
both times i broke the trucks, i was riding stock bushings with the bottom washer. i suspect the reason they broke was because i ride my front truck wobbly loose. the up down play might have had something to do with it.

are they actually weaker? i think i read somewhere that they were stronger, lighter, and had a slightly shorter kingpin. i believed this since i've never seen a broken mag baseplate before. i've also never seen broken baseplates with someone who rides the stock bushings without bottom washers or bones without bottom washers. also, is magnesium a weaker material or do the mag baseplates have a reputation of breaking?

That's crazy.  I've only seen the broken baseplates with dudes who were riding bones bushings and no bottom washer.

The standard Ace aluminum is softer than Indy/Thunder/Venture.  The Magnesium baseplates do have a reputation for breaking.  The reason that Ace stopped making them is so many would get broken in shipment.

That being said, plenty of people are using them with no issues at all but if you're already breaking the aluminum plates, you'll likely break the mag plate.

Ace just needs to come out with a forged baseplate, inverted kingpin and hollow axle
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Xen on September 10, 2018, 03:44:01 PM
Ace just needs to come out with a forged baseplate, inverted [I'll settle for a hollow] kingpin and hollow axle

Forged Hollow ACEs would be the shit.

Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on September 10, 2018, 11:35:32 PM
I should be able to get away with running 44s on an 8.6, yeah? I normally ride an 8.5
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: tzhangdox on September 10, 2018, 11:47:14 PM
I should be able to get away with running 44s on an 8.6, yeah? I normally ride an 8.5

I've done it before and it was fine, didn't bother me at all. Just don't think about it too much or the madness will get to you.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Gay Imp Sausage Metal on September 11, 2018, 01:03:42 AM
0.1 of an inch distributed over both rails is really nothing in the scheme of things...
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: planman on September 11, 2018, 08:37:49 AM
Thought so, Ace are nice and stable anyway so I really doubt it's gonna feel like a magic carpet
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Not Local on September 11, 2018, 12:07:13 PM
I should be able to get away with running 44s on an 8.6, yeah? I normally ride an 8.5

I've done it before and it was fine, didn't bother me at all. Just don't think about it too much or the madness will get to you.

Yep, I've done it also. 44s are 8 3/8 and 8.6 is 8 5/8. That's a 1/4 " difference, so totally within the bounds in my opinion. I tried 44s on an 8.75" and it was doable but probably about the limit unless its s shaped deck with taper.
Title: Re: Ace trucks
Post by: Diocletian on September 23, 2018, 01:31:09 AM
Looks like they finally came out with the copper and blue colors in the new designs.