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Title: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: newhampster on January 19, 2012, 05:49:26 PM
Anyone remember this video?

Skaters Vs. Portland Security Guards (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH0iWDcLuns#)

Turns out they took it to court and won..

http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/blog/_/post/7475656/skateboarders-win-civil-suit-portland (http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/blog/_/post/7475656/skateboarders-win-civil-suit-portland)
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: NegativeCreep on January 19, 2012, 05:55:30 PM
good for them!
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Cadillac Ranch Dressing on January 19, 2012, 06:05:46 PM
Not saying people should go and sue the security company every time some altercation happens, but maybe this will set a precedent for this kind of situation. Congrats to them!
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 19, 2012, 06:21:09 PM
If you knowingly skate on private property then you should expect to be roughed up from time to time.

That they sued and won is just going to make it harder on other skaters the world over.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Particleboard Penguin on January 19, 2012, 06:30:17 PM
If you knowingly skate on private property then you should expect to be roughed up from time to time.

That they sued and won is just going to make it harder on other skaters the world over.
How exactly might this one lawsuit "make it harder on other skaters the world over"? Such an ignorant statement...
Expect to get possibly get in an altercation, but don't be afraid to fight back by any/all means available.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: NegativeCreep on January 19, 2012, 06:33:05 PM
nah cause this shows enforcers are not immune, reading the article made me mad but the dudes persevered and brought truth out and got all sorts of attention on it. fuck popular media and  law enforcement you abuse your privileges for wrong
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: tobey on January 19, 2012, 06:35:35 PM
good for them!
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Brandon on January 19, 2012, 06:44:17 PM
If you knowingly skate on private property then you should expect to be roughed up from time to time.

That they sued and won is just going to make it harder on other skaters the world over.
roughed up?  a kid got swung on with his own board by a uniformed guard.  get the fuck out of here.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: The Magnet Man on January 19, 2012, 07:41:30 PM
MY FUCKING BUSH.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Soty2020 on January 19, 2012, 07:43:22 PM
should have been titled "Skaters get all spots shut down in Portland"

Nice work guys, way to keep shit on the DL
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Joe Pesci on January 19, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
should have been titled "Skaters get all spots shut down in Portland"

Nice work guys, way to keep shit on the DL
yeah right because security guards at every spot go out of their way to fuck skaters up and try to get the company sued, all so skateboarding cant happen on that property. the dudes would have to just leave from security guards just getting in the way or something eventually anyway... its called excessive force
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Buddha on January 19, 2012, 07:57:55 PM
Skateboarding is so pussy now.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: heckler on January 19, 2012, 08:08:10 PM
Can't wait to see who will post the first comment claiming that a security guard getting his comeuppance is "ruining skateboarding".
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: TonyBologna on January 19, 2012, 08:14:25 PM
From that footage it seems that both parties were in the wrong. But, excessive force is definitely there. A security guard is officially the first person I have seen make contact with a skateboard to another person's dome. That is sad. Should it really come to a plank of wood with metal fucking trucks being your weapon?
Stick up for your rights, just because they are the "authority", doesn't mean they actually know what the fuck they're doing.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 19, 2012, 08:18:19 PM
You all should list your addresses so I can come krooked grind the hoods of your cars and then shit on your kitchen floors.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Schismatic on January 19, 2012, 08:30:27 PM
should have been titled "Skaters get all spots shut down in Portland"

Nice work guys, way to keep shit on the DL

It's pretty sad to see skateboarders turn on the skaters in this case. People think it's acceptable for a lame-brained rent-a-cop who makes $8/hr to smack someone with a skateboard without any consequences? If this didn't come back on the guard and company then that would've set a much worse precedence, "it's ok to assault people with a deadly weapon for skateboarding." Fuck you. Fuck Sluggers. Look at the bigger picture instead of worrying about heightened security at a couple spots and the square was already a crazy bust anyway. At least the security will be more careful about how they kick people out. God knows what this security guard would've gone on to do if this didn't happen. The next skater he bludgeoned might not have been lucky enough to walk away from it. Standing up for your rights as a human being is more important than a couple skate spots. Besides, Portland has Burnside and some good parks in surrounding areas, they can afford to sacrifice a few spots so these guys could further expose the widespread problem with twats abusing their authority. It's not like these guys sued a property owner because they broke their ankle while skating private property, that's the stuff that hurts skating. If it wasn't skaters and didn't affect skating you hypocrites would probably be all on the side of the people getting attacked instead of turning on your own for selfish ass reasons. Sorry for the long rant just can't believe any of you guys would be mad at the skaters. And gotta point out that initially they seemed like they tried to "keep it on the DL" but it got carried away and got media attention before they really even exposed their identities. In the end they did the right thing by fighting back against the establishment that wanted them to bend over and take a fuckin.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: pica on January 19, 2012, 08:32:32 PM
i dunno, no matter who started this or who was how much of a prick whatsoever, i'm just not sure about sueing other people in general, for whatever reason.
unless it's necessary. i would not be able to stand up again if that guard had hit my head with full force.
but this guy stands up in a second.
 maybe he's a badass and used to it, or the guard didn't even hit him full speed.
just sayin, it might be possible.
 it's fine with me to fight with him, it's fine with me to make him loose his lousy job, but sueing him/the company for over a million dollars?
i guess this has to be an american thing, they always want to sue each other.
things might be different when a lawyer sees the footage, and is all like "listen boy you could make a lot of money from this... just say yes you have to do nothing sit back and relax...."
 maybe then i'd change my mind but until that day i'd say sueing people for a million dollar, for a punch that didn't even knock anybody out is highly questionable.

nonetheless rentacops suck as you all know.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: pica on January 19, 2012, 08:37:04 PM
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should have been titled "Skaters get all spots shut down in Portland"

Nice work guys, way to keep shit on the DL
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It's pretty sad to see skateboarders turn on the skaters in this case. People think it's acceptable for a lame-brained rent-a-cop who makes $8/hr to smack someone with a skateboard without any consequences? If this didn't come back on the guard and company then that would've set a much worse precedence, "it's ok to assault people with a deadly weapon for skateboarding." Fuck you. Fuck Sluggers. Look at the bigger picture instead of worrying about heightened security at a couple spots and the square was already a crazy bust anyway. At least the security will be more careful about how they kick people out. God knows what this security guard would've gone on to do if this didn't happen. The next skater he bludgeoned might not have been lucky enough to walk away from it. Standing up for your rights as a human being is more important than a couple skate spots. Besides, Portland has Burnside and some good parks in surrounding areas, they can afford to sacrifice a few spots so these guys could further expose the widespread problem with twats abusing their authority. It's not like these guys sued a property owner because they broke their ankle while skating private property, that's the stuff that hurts skating. If it wasn't skaters and didn't affect skating you hypocrites would probably be all on the side of the people getting attacked instead of turning on your own for selfish ass reasons. Sorry for the long rant just can't believe any of you guys would be mad at the skaters. And gotta point out that initially they seemed like they tried to "keep it on the DL" but it got carried away and got media attention before they really even exposed their identities. In the end they did the right thing by fighting back against the establishment that wanted them to bend over and take a fuckin.
keep it easy bro, stay punk.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: johnnymousedoom on January 19, 2012, 08:54:39 PM
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should have been titled "Skaters get all spots shut down in Portland"

Nice work guys, way to keep shit on the DL
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It's pretty sad to see skateboarders turn on the skaters in this case. People think it's acceptable for a lame-brained rent-a-cop who makes $8/hr to smack someone with a skateboard without any consequences? If this didn't come back on the guard and company then that would've set a much worse precedence, "it's ok to assault people with a deadly weapon for skateboarding." Fuck you. Fuck Sluggers. Look at the bigger picture instead of worrying about heightened security at a couple spots and the square was already a crazy bust anyway. At least the security will be more careful about how they kick people out. God knows what this security guard would've gone on to do if this didn't happen. The next skater he bludgeoned might not have been lucky enough to walk away from it. Standing up for your rights as a human being is more important than a couple skate spots. Besides, Portland has Burnside and some good parks in surrounding areas, they can afford to sacrifice a few spots so these guys could further expose the widespread problem with twats abusing their authority. It's not like these guys sued a property owner because they broke their ankle while skating private property, that's the stuff that hurts skating. If it wasn't skaters and didn't affect skating you hypocrites would probably be all on the side of the people getting attacked instead of turning on your own for selfish ass reasons. Sorry for the long rant just can't believe any of you guys would be mad at the skaters. And gotta point out that initially they seemed like they tried to "keep it on the DL" but it got carried away and got media attention before they really even exposed their identities. In the end they did the right thing by fighting back against the establishment that wanted them to bend over and take a fuckin.
someone gnar this man!
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 19, 2012, 10:53:08 PM
Standing up for your rights as a human being?

WTF!?

Give me your address Schismatic, you obviously think skaters have a right to shit everywhere including your daughter/wife/mother's bedroom.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: StabMasterArson on January 19, 2012, 11:05:36 PM
You all should list your addresses so I can come krooked grind the hoods of your cars and then shit on your kitchen floors.

4055 Fourth Detroit Mi 48201

Come Krooked grind my hood, I'll buy you a beer.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: commie on January 19, 2012, 11:09:04 PM
Since security guards were the first ones to use force, they assaulted the skaters. I don't see how anyone can argue that the skaters were in the wrong. I'm pretty sure when a criminal act is committed against you, and you cannot use the criminal court to resolve the issue, the civil court provides another opportunity to correct the wrongdoing.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 19, 2012, 11:23:42 PM
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=use+of+force+to+protect+property (http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=use+of+force+to+protect+property)

In some states even deadly force is justifiable.

Skate at your own risk.

Now that these punks got paid for a mostly harmless swat on the head, corporations are going to do much more to prevent skating on their property.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Tufty on January 19, 2012, 11:49:30 PM
 Laws and suing is for pussies they should have broken rent-a-cops' teeth so they cant eat any donuts.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Skate Edge on January 19, 2012, 11:53:18 PM
I can't believe that there are actually skaters who don't side with the skaters in this case.  That's some topsy turvy shit.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 20, 2012, 12:21:54 AM
Private property is property. Every skater knows they skate at their own risk.

You don't sue for a stupid altercation with rent-a-cops just like you never sue if you get hurt.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Tufty on January 20, 2012, 12:36:12 AM
Private property is property. Every skater knows they skate at their own risk.

You don't sue for a stupid altercation with rent-a-cops just like you never sue if you get hurt.

 I dont know whats the deal in America. In Europe a rent-a-cop can only tell you to get the fuck out and call the police. He is not allowed to touch you in any way. Suing is not my type of deal though id rather beat the rent-a-cop myself instead of having 2 year court fights.

If this is not the case in America well, you guys are fucked in the head.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Chavo on January 20, 2012, 12:41:27 AM
I can't believe that there are actually skaters who don't side with the skaters in this case.  That's some topsy turvy shit.

There used to be a long standing unwritten rule in skateboarding that you don't sue. I guess the philosophy was that it's better to keep spots on the down low so it won't be a total bust in the future.

There's also some ambiguity in this case as they made a conscious decision to fight back instead of taking the hits and playing victims (looks like they did both). From the kid's own interview I get the impression that he: is upset that one of the guards was rude and made fun of him; went home and hid out obviously not intending to do anything until media and lawyers took an interest and the prospect of money became apparent; declares that "life's too short"--why not walk away with $1.3 million and escape the moral implications.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 20, 2012, 12:50:19 AM
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Private property is property. Every skater knows they skate at their own risk.

You don't sue for a stupid altercation with rent-a-cops just like you never sue if you get hurt.
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 I dont know whats the deal in America. In Europe a rent-a-cop can only tell you to get the fuck out and call the police. He is not allowed to touch you in any way. Suing is not my type of deal though id rather beat the rent-a-cop myself instead of having 2 year court fights.

If this is not the case in America well, you guys are fucked in the head.

In the majority of states you are justified in using deadly force if you find people trespassing and involved in illegality on your own private property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine)
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Chavo on January 20, 2012, 12:53:49 AM
I dont know whats the deal in America. In Europe a rent-a-cop can only tell you to get the fuck out and call the police. He is not allowed to touch you in any way. Suing is not my type of deal though id rather beat the rent-a-cop myself instead of heaving 2 year court fights.

If this is not the case in America well, you guys are fucked in the head.

This is the case in America, provided you're on public property or a commercial space accessible to the general public. I guess the root of the problem is that security jobs here are both undesirable to the average American and yet fairly easy to get (i.e., guards are nimrods). This is compounded by the fact that it's a convenient way for a company to have someone do their dirty work (almost all guard jobs are contract) without being personally liable if they go rogue. The company can always fire the guard, the contractor, or in this case let the security contractor absorb the legal consequences.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Tufty on January 20, 2012, 01:07:00 AM
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Private property is property. Every skater knows they skate at their own risk.

You don't sue for a stupid altercation with rent-a-cops just like you never sue if you get hurt.
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 I dont know whats the deal in America. In Europe a rent-a-cop can only tell you to get the fuck out and call the police. He is not allowed to touch you in any way. Suing is not my type of deal though id rather beat the rent-a-cop myself instead of having 2 year court fights.

If this is not the case in America well, you guys are fucked in the head.
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In the majority of states you are justified in using deadly force if you find people trespassing and involved in illegality on your own private property.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine)
Sometimes it feels like americans need to have a law for breathing cause otherwise they would die from asfyxiation...

 Here you are not justified by law to use violence when someone is tresspassing. You go to court and judges judge if you should have used violence or you overreacted.... Generally you win if there is some serious threat for your property or life.

 Using force against some skate kids??? You would probably not be justified. I mean ok a broken marble in your property worth more than a kids broken head??? You guys are fucked in the head. In that case the police should come and charge the kids.

 Yeah rent-a-cops shouldnt touch you for million reasons. Actually the constitution says that only the state has power over you, so this means only state cops can force me to do something (not that i think its right but thats the rule).




Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Narcissus on January 20, 2012, 01:17:38 AM
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You all should list your addresses so I can come krooked grind the hoods of your cars and then shit on your kitchen floors.
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4055 Fourth Detroit Mi 48201

Come Krooked grind my hood, I'll buy you a beer.

That building looks like it was built to house lunatics in the 1870s. Respect.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 21, 2012, 01:31:00 AM
Fuck the douche bags who sued.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: natenola forever on January 21, 2012, 06:47:36 AM
the problem with these kids sueing is that this is the type of shit that will make companies with plazas or skateable stuff at their buildings go more out of the way to keep people from skating, corporate america would rather level or put a fence around an area with skateable stuff than deal with a lawsuit. They 'll step the skatestopping game up to the point where no level of creativity will get around it, or it will end up like the federal building in San Diego where security meets you at the building when they see you walk up. It's true people need to stand up for their rights but this does nothing to help skateboarding, companies will definately run the numbers, "it cost us 1.3 million on a lawsuit, how much will a fence and 24 hour securty at the fence opening cost us? or we just fill the plaza with grass" if that 's cheaper than what they feel they can get sued for they'll do it.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 21, 2012, 07:14:58 AM
the problem with these kids sueing is that this is the type of shit that will make companies with plazas or skateable stuff at their buildings go more out of the way to keep people from skating, corporate america would rather level or put a fence around an area with skateable stuff than deal with a lawsuit. They 'll step the skatestopping game up to the point where no level of creativity will get around it, or it will end up like the federal building in San Diego where security meets you at the building when they see you walk up. It's true people need to stand up for their rights but this does nothing to help skateboarding, companies will definately run the numbers, "it cost us 1.3 million on a lawsuit, how much will a fence and 24 hour securty at the fence opening cost us? or we just fill the plaza with grass" if that 's cheaper than what they feel they can get sued for they'll do it.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: lampshade on January 21, 2012, 07:36:16 AM
I back the skaters in this situation, although it will probably cause property owners to be a bit more strict in that city. 

Skating public/private property that's not a park is always a weird one for me.  Technically any time you're skating anything not specifically designed for it you're committing vandalism.  Whether it be waxing a ledge, wheel marks, rails, etc.  Skating a rail basically does the same damage as rolling up and scraping the paint off with a screwdriver.  I never really thought about this when I was younger, but now sometimes when I'm skating a spot I'll think, "Damn, I'm just rolling up on some guy's bench at his business and fucking it up."  That said, skating's rad so fuck it. 
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Useful Idiot on January 21, 2012, 09:35:34 AM


That building looks like it was built to house lunatics in the 1870s. Respect.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: LOU.502 on January 21, 2012, 12:29:18 PM
that video made me feel a lil sick to the stomach
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: ginzberg on January 21, 2012, 01:49:05 PM
1) Since when is a case being settled out of court referred to as winning in court? It's not winning or losing. It's withdrawing the case. It is definitely a moral victory, but the article somewhat implies that this will be on record as a win in court.

2) Regarding the whole lawsuit in general, this documentary changed my perspective quite a bit: http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.asp (http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.asp)

Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: TwisT on January 21, 2012, 02:46:26 PM
http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/blog/_/post/7475656/skateboarders-win-civil-suit-portland (http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/blog/_/post/7475656/skateboarders-win-civil-suit-portland)

espn is getting better and better when it comes to online content...

but the interview says that they just ran, and chalked situation up to the game until lawyers approached them...
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: cdubble on January 22, 2012, 12:55:43 AM
Im friends with baca and i know for a fact that they didn't sue them to just win money. The lawyer that approached them was a mom who has two young kids who skate who baca had taught. she wanted to go to court for them so shit like this wouldn't happen to her kids when they happened to go out skating. Yes I understand that they were skating on private property and i know for sure that they wouldn't sue if the guy just pushed him around they eventually ran away but the guy took a god damn skateboard and hit him over the head thats excessive force and not how security guards are trained, and thats why they sued.

and Sluggers your going to tell me if some security guy took your skateboard and clocked you over the head and you had to go to the hospital because you were just skateboarding you wouldn't try to sue him to cover your medical expenses and what not?

PS. part of that espn interview is wrong the guy didn't quit the next day he went back to work the next week and then continued to work there for another year and half still without having the proper licensing to be a security guard. And the company that runs the security guards have a problem with hiring "qualified" security guards.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Chavo on January 22, 2012, 02:08:02 AM
Im friends with baca and i know for a fact that they didn't sue them to just win money. The lawyer that approached them was a mom who has two young kids who skate who baca had taught. she wanted to go to court for them so shit like this wouldn't happen to her kids when they happened to go out skating. Yes I understand that they were skating on private property and i know for sure that they wouldn't sue if the guy just pushed him around they eventually ran away but the guy took a god damn skateboard and hit him over the head thats excessive force and not how security guards are trained, and thats why they sued.

If they sued on principle, then they wouldn't have accepted a $1.3 million out-of-court settlement, opting to finish the trial instead. According the the Portland Mercury article, Baca bumped into the first guard, then admitted to swinging his board and hitting the camera when another guard took his picture. That was probably the main reason the guards were initially cleared and gave enough doubt for Baca and friends to flee instead of call the cops (clearly, if breaking the code of not suing wasn't an issue, then calling the police wouldn't be out of the question either). The Mercury article also recalls the guard-was-mean issue.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Money Black on January 22, 2012, 02:34:23 AM
only in america,  people sue way too much over there
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sprayTAN101 on January 22, 2012, 05:25:27 AM
would love to see this happen to a street league multi millionaire. lawsuit-fuck-yeah!
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Prison Wallet on January 22, 2012, 10:02:40 AM
the problem with these kids sueing is that this is the type of shit that will make companies with plazas or skateable stuff at their buildings go more out of the way to keep people from skating, corporate america would rather level or put a fence around an area with skateable stuff than deal with a lawsuit. They 'll step the skatestopping game up to the point where no level of creativity will get around it, or it will end up like the federal building in San Diego where security meets you at the building when they see you walk up. It's true people need to stand up for their rights but this does nothing to help skateboarding, companies will definately run the numbers, "it cost us 1.3 million on a lawsuit, how much will a fence and 24 hour securty at the fence opening cost us? or we just fill the plaza with grass" if that 's cheaper than what they feel they can get sued for they'll do it.

Huh? So it'd be cheaper for companies to redesign plazas and retro fit with skate stoppers rather than just comply with laws they already have to? Dumbfuck security are the liability, not just skateboarders. If companies don't adjust security practices those same dumbfucks could get aggressive with taggers, bmxers, extreme walkers, pan handlers, whoever.

Training security that if you lay a hand on anyone you'll be immediately terminated and can be held criminally and civilly liable is the economical fix.  
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: jay on January 22, 2012, 10:34:27 AM
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the problem with these kids sueing is that this is the type of shit that will make companies with plazas or skateable stuff at their buildings go more out of the way to keep people from skating, corporate america would rather level or put a fence around an area with skateable stuff than deal with a lawsuit. They 'll step the skatestopping game up to the point where no level of creativity will get around it, or it will end up like the federal building in San Diego where security meets you at the building when they see you walk up. It's true people need to stand up for their rights but this does nothing to help skateboarding, companies will definately run the numbers, "it cost us 1.3 million on a lawsuit, how much will a fence and 24 hour securty at the fence opening cost us? or we just fill the plaza with grass" if that 's cheaper than what they feel they can get sued for they'll do it.
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Huh? So it'd be cheaper for companies to redesign plazas and retro fit with skate stoppers rather than just comply with laws they already have to? Dumbfuck security are the liability, not just skateboarders. If companies don't adjust security practices those same dumbfucks could get aggressive with taggers, bmxers, extreme walkers, pan handlers, whoever.

Training security that if you lay a hand on anyone you'll be immediately terminated and can be held criminally and civilly liable is the economical fix.  

What good is a security officer who is only allowed to ask people to leave?
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: cdubble on January 22, 2012, 01:04:41 PM
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Im friends with baca and i know for a fact that they didn't sue them to just win money. The lawyer that approached them was a mom who has two young kids who skate who baca had taught. she wanted to go to court for them so shit like this wouldn't happen to her kids when they happened to go out skating. Yes I understand that they were skating on private property and i know for sure that they wouldn't sue if the guy just pushed him around they eventually ran away but the guy took a god damn skateboard and hit him over the head thats excessive force and not how security guards are trained, and thats why they sued.
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If they sued on principle, then they wouldn't have accepted a $1.3 million out-of-court settlement, opting to finish the trial instead. According the the Portland Mercury article, Baca bumped into the first guard, then admitted to swinging his board and hitting the camera when another guard took his picture. That was probably the main reason the guards were initially cleared and gave enough doubt for Baca and friends to flee instead of call the cops (clearly, if breaking the code of not suing wasn't an issue, then calling the police wouldn't be out of the question either). The Mercury article also recalls the guard-was-mean issue.

i don't know where the 1.3 mil came from but thats not what they settled for I know that for a fact. I know they were trying to sue for that but thats not what they settled out of court for.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Prison Wallet on January 22, 2012, 02:47:23 PM
What good is a security officer who is only allowed to ask people to leave?

I think they're supposed to be a deterrent mostly.

In the US aren't they pretty much only allowed to ask people to leave and call the police if they don't? Maybe pepper spray someone if they get assaulted.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: bakingsoda on January 22, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
i dunno, no matter who started this or who was how much of a prick whatsoever, i'm just not sure about sueing other people in general, for whatever reason.
unless it's necessary. i would not be able to stand up again if that guard had hit my head with full force.
but this guy stands up in a second.
 maybe he's a badass and used to it, or the guard didn't even hit him full speed.
just sayin, it might be possible.
 it's fine with me to fight with him, it's fine with me to make him loose his lousy job, but sueing him/the company for over a million dollars?
i guess this has to be an american thing, they always want to sue each other.
things might be different when a lawyer sees the footage, and is all like "listen boy you could make a lot of money from this... just say yes you have to do nothing sit back and relax...."
 maybe then i'd change my mind but until that day i'd say sueing people for a million dollar, for a punch that didn't even knock anybody out is highly questionable.

nonetheless rentacops suck as you all know.
Well it would be the company, not the indivual who would pay. You actually have a moral delam with someone making a dent in the finaces of a stupid security company?

On another not didn't Satva Leng and some others take some San Fran police to court in the 90's and win because of some exsesive force used at the China banks? I'm not clear on the story but it that's the case then that's rad.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: TMKF on January 22, 2012, 06:20:14 PM
If you knowingly skate on private property then you should expect to be roughed up from time to time.

That they sued and won is just going to make it harder on other skaters the world over.

Expect to get roughed up? It looked like they were on a public sidewalk when the assault took place, there is not way a sidewalk that close to the street is private property. Also a security guard is not the allowed to assault anyone unless in self defense, obviously they won so it wasn't self defense. The owner of the property has every right to sue the skateboarders for destruction of property but I doubt they would have sufficient evidence to prove it was them who did the damage.

I say good for them, I would like to see much more police officers being sued because their abuse of power is much worse on average than security guards.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: jay on January 22, 2012, 08:59:14 PM
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What good is a security officer who is only allowed to ask people to leave?
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I think they're supposed to be a deterrent mostly.

In the US aren't they pretty much only allowed to ask people to leave and call the police if they don't? Maybe pepper spray someone if they get assaulted.

Well, apparently, according to wikipedia, security officers have the same powers of arrest "as a private citizen, called a "private person" arrest, "any person" arrest, or "citizen's arrest" (in the U.S.).  Some states allow citizen's arrest if they have personally witnessed the offense occuring. 

If I hired security to make sure my private property stayed intact, I would assume that my security officers would be able to do their job, not necessarily to bust skulls but at least have the ability to restrain or arrest.     
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 23, 2012, 02:56:24 AM
These guys are pussies no doubt about it.

You don't sue because you got into a small altercation with a rent-a-cop on someone else's property, and you sure as hell don't allow them to grab your board and hit you with it. LMFAO.

Skateboarding has a code of honor and they crossed one of the cardinal rules.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: Prison Wallet on January 23, 2012, 05:29:00 AM
Between you talking about a code of conduct and cardinal rules and that other guy talking about wikipedia and citizen arrests this thread's feeling like the 7th grade.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: pica on January 23, 2012, 05:53:16 AM
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i dunno, no matter who started this or who was how much of a prick whatsoever, i'm just not sure about sueing other people in general, for whatever reason.
unless it's necessary. i would not be able to stand up again if that guard had hit my head with full force.
but this guy stands up in a second.
 maybe he's a badass and used to it, or the guard didn't even hit him full speed.
just sayin, it might be possible.
 it's fine with me to fight with him, it's fine with me to make him loose his lousy job, but sueing him/the company for over a million dollars?
i guess this has to be an american thing, they always want to sue each other.
things might be different when a lawyer sees the footage, and is all like "listen boy you could make a lot of money from this... just say yes you have to do nothing sit back and relax...."
 maybe then i'd change my mind but until that day i'd say sueing people for a million dollar, for a punch that didn't even knock anybody out is highly questionable.

nonetheless rentacops suck as you all know.
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Well it would be the company, not the indivual who would pay. You actually have a moral delam with someone making a dent in the finaces of a stupid security company?

On another not didn't Satva Leng and some others take some San Fran police to court in the 90's and win because of some exsesive force used at the China banks? I'm not clear on the story but it that's the case then that's rad.
i have a moral delam with sueing anyone just for the money. this wasn't about right or wrong, just about earning money. people in america sue for any stupid reason, thinking it's their legal right, but in fact they abuse the law to make profit.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 23, 2012, 07:44:03 AM
Between you talking about a code of conduct and cardinal rules and that other guy talking about wikipedia and citizen arrests this thread's feeling like the 7th grade.

Yes, 7th grade is exactly about the time if you are a real skater you learn that you don't sue if you are skating on private property and you never sue if you hurt yourself skating any property public or private.

Skate at your own risk.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on January 23, 2012, 07:47:16 AM
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i dunno, no matter who started this or who was how much of a prick whatsoever, i'm just not sure about sueing other people in general, for whatever reason.
unless it's necessary. i would not be able to stand up again if that guard had hit my head with full force.
but this guy stands up in a second.
 maybe he's a badass and used to it, or the guard didn't even hit him full speed.
just sayin, it might be possible.
 it's fine with me to fight with him, it's fine with me to make him loose his lousy job, but sueing him/the company for over a million dollars?
i guess this has to be an american thing, they always want to sue each other.
things might be different when a lawyer sees the footage, and is all like "listen boy you could make a lot of money from this... just say yes you have to do nothing sit back and relax...."
 maybe then i'd change my mind but until that day i'd say sueing people for a million dollar, for a punch that didn't even knock anybody out is highly questionable.

nonetheless rentacops suck as you all know.
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Well it would be the company, not the indivual who would pay. You actually have a moral delam with someone making a dent in the finaces of a stupid security company?

On another not didn't Satva Leng and some others take some San Fran police to court in the 90's and win because of some exsesive force used at the China banks? I'm not clear on the story but it that's the case then that's rad.
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i have a moral delam with sueing anyone just for the money. this wasn't about right or wrong, just about earning money. people in america sue for any stupid reason, thinking it's their legal right, but in fact they abuse the law to make profit.


Fuck, I love your country
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: finknoos on January 23, 2012, 09:29:51 AM
only in murica,  people sue way too much over there
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: pica on January 23, 2012, 09:55:30 AM
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i dunno, no matter who started this or who was how much of a prick whatsoever, i'm just not sure about sueing other people in general, for whatever reason.
unless it's necessary. i would not be able to stand up again if that guard had hit my head with full force.
but this guy stands up in a second.
 maybe he's a badass and used to it, or the guard didn't even hit him full speed.
just sayin, it might be possible.
 it's fine with me to fight with him, it's fine with me to make him loose his lousy job, but sueing him/the company for over a million dollars?
i guess this has to be an american thing, they always want to sue each other.
things might be different when a lawyer sees the footage, and is all like "listen boy you could make a lot of money from this... just say yes you have to do nothing sit back and relax...."
 maybe then i'd change my mind but until that day i'd say sueing people for a million dollar, for a punch that didn't even knock anybody out is highly questionable.

nonetheless rentacops suck as you all know.
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Well it would be the company, not the indivual who would pay. You actually have a moral delam with someone making a dent in the finaces of a stupid security company?

On another not didn't Satva Leng and some others take some San Fran police to court in the 90's and win because of some exsesive force used at the China banks? I'm not clear on the story but it that's the case then that's rad.
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i have a moral delam with sueing anyone just for the money. this wasn't about right or wrong, just about earning money. people in america sue for any stupid reason, thinking it's their legal right, but in fact they abuse the law to make profit.

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Fuck, I love your country
you love MY country?
well i certainly don't.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: jrf on January 25, 2012, 01:20:34 AM
Private property is property. Every skater knows they skate at their own risk.

You don't sue for a stupid altercation with rent-a-cops just like you never sue if you get hurt.

pioneer square is a public place not private property) and they have always had schmuck security guards. good for bacca and clyde. bacca did the right thing, he got attacked and he fought back, resulting into an unfair fight of 2 security guards beating up a pretty little dude.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: sluggers on January 25, 2012, 01:43:34 AM
Baca is a fucking pussy.

Man up, bro.

How long were you there before the security guards told you to leave?
We had been there for about ten minutes or so. After two or three rushed tries, the first security guard came up and told me to get the hell out of there. The security guard was being a jerk from the beginning -- he started to make fun of me right from the start.

HAha, douche bag.
Title: Re: Skaters win civil suit against Portland security firm
Post by: layzieyez on January 25, 2012, 02:39:19 AM
I don't even know why anyone here is acknowledging the opinion of someone who obviously doesn't skateboard. Some people are just here to troll. I thought that shit was obvious.