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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: grimcity on February 09, 2012, 05:59:40 AM
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http://www.americanrampcompanylawsuit.com (http://www.americanrampcompanylawsuit.com)
I didn't see this anywhere in the forums... stoked to see these fucks getting called out. Fuck ARC!
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(http://www.americanrampcompanylawsuit.com//wp-content/uploads/2012/01/P1016102.jpg)
I hope they win their lawsuit, pre-fab parks are terrible. But many of the pics didn't seem that bad, I've seen SkateWave stuff in far worse shape.
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Get those fuckers!
Carnie wrote a great article in Big Brother about how pre-fab parks are a detriment to skateboarding as a whole, and we need to stop cities from giving so much fucking money to playground manufacturers who are building ass shit parks. It even affects the way people learn to skate. Sure, it's a nice quarter, and a nice banked hip, but I'd rather skate a flowing, concrete moonscape constructed by the good people at Team Pain, than some fuckin' reclaimed basketball court with a flatbar and a couple of slopes.
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Get those fuckers!
Carnie wrote a great article in Big Brother about how pre-fab parks are a detriment to skateboarding as a whole, and we need to stop cities from giving so much fucking money to playground manufacturers who are building ass shit parks. It even affects the way people learn to skate. Sure, it's a nice quarter, and a nice banked hip, but I'd rather skate a flowing, concrete moonscape constructed by the good people at Team Pain, than some fuckin' reclaimed basketball court with a flatbar and a couple of slopes.
you know, like asians.
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it sounds kinda stupid, but i love prefab parks when theyre well laid out. there was one down the street from my parents and it was fun as hell. i liked how there wasnt much to it, so you could practice ledge and flatbar tricks without having to worry too much about getting in people's way. i think the lack of variety also forced me to skate street a lot more. i'm probably in the minority though as i never really liked skateparks very much.
this was in response to Fenzdill's Carnie reiteration. fuck the ARC, how hard is it to build a prefab park?
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it sounds kinda stupid, but i love prefab parks when theyre well laid out. there was one down the street from my parents and it was fun as hell. i liked how there wasnt much to it, so you could practice ledge and flatbar tricks without having to worry too much about getting in people's way. i think the lack of variety also forced me to skate street a lot more. i'm probably in the minority though as i never really liked skateparks very much.
this was in response to Fenzdill's Carnie reiteration. fuck the ARC, how hard is it to build a prefab park?
Well yeah, they're fun, because skateboarding is fun. Parking blocks are so goddam fun. It's just that the companies that manufacture the prefab pieces are:
1. Not skateboarders
2. Grossly overcharging cities for parks that could be much better
A quarterpipe doesn't cost 1200 bucks, it's like 100 bucks worth of wood and coping.
And they honestly do fall the fuck apart and the city rarely repanels or replaces stolen pieces.
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Hahaha I skated that Pennsauken Park at the bottom of the Pics list. It's not THAT bad. I can just imagine a Lawyer walking around a shitty prefab park and thinking to themselves 'Great Scott there is a goldmine here!'. I feel like these kinds of Lawsuits will just discourage cities from opening new parks and give them incentive to shut down existing prefab parks.
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Should ARC be found liable on all claims, it will have to pay up to $18 million in damages and fines. Each municipality will likely need to have a new skate park built to replace the Pro Series equipment, and such a recovery will enable each local government to upgrade to a higher quality skatepark.
The Jeffersons Original Theme Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcqToQzzGY#ws)
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Althought I think Americans are a bit too sue happy, I am glad that we can agree that the ramps aren't usually worth the cost, nor do they make sense due to the people putting them together knowing a thing about skateboarding. My city got lucky and they built a park with a couple things without pre-fab ramps, they bought off-brand skate lite and made ramps themselves, without alot of input from skateboarders. Some cities need to realize how intricate skateboarding is, especially the construction of parks with flow and sensible ramp logistics.
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i worked on building a couple arc parks. good people, bad parks
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Well apparently I need to read more.
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My parks not pre fab, but the ground/flat is asphalt(sp?) And the ramps are all concrete, and now there's a lot of big cracks where they meet. We want to get the park resurfaced but are worried the city will just shut it down if we complain about its state/how unsafe it is.
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My parks not pre fab, but the ground/flat is asphalt(sp?) And the ramps are all concrete, and now there's a lot of big cracks where they meet. We want to get the park resurfaced but are worried the city will just shut it down if we complain about its state/how unsafe it is.
approach the city in a professional manner with photos of the cracks and your concerns. have local businesses be involved / parents of skaters / shop owners.
i've heard of cities nixing legit concrete park plans in exchange for prefab parks which isn't a good thing. unless of course you are into prefab.
they do have their uses, Manhattan bridge park is a good example.
(http://openarchitecturenetwork.org/files/imagecache/oanproject_slideshow_600x450/active/28/full%20park.jpg)
skated it a few times and had fun. plus being able to move things around and easily switch it up. lego skateparks...
but it would be pretty damn tough to get the same type of flow as a concrete park with prefab shit, and unfortunately cities can just drop some shit in a parking lot and call it a skatepark.
"yea, we'd like a 8 foot kidney bowl" - go concrete. it lasts longer.
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I feel like these kinds of Lawsuits will just discourage cities from opening new parks and give them incentive to shut down existing prefab parks.
the towns lose nothing from this law suit they are the plaintiffs,
in fact this may make some towns more eager to build skateparks as....
A) towns will now be less worried about becoming the defendants in skatepark related law suits or at the least will have some precedent to implead the companies that built the parks and mitigate a chunk of damages they may face
B) killing or maiming this company will provide a new opening in the market for better brands at lower prices
C) it is going to give a lot of small town attorneys something to keep them busy and out of the hair of municipal counsels
also if you look at the complaint they allege a lot of willful fraudulent conduct- this is so they can get treble (read triple) damages
so aside from getting new parks and their money back- some of these towns may walk away with a little cash in pocket
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My parks not pre fab, but the ground/flat is asphalt(sp?) And the ramps are all concrete, and now there's a lot of big cracks where they meet. We want to get the park resurfaced but are worried the city will just shut it down if we complain about its state/how unsafe it is.
Get some Bondo, or some concrete patching. That should resolve the problem for awhile.
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bondo should be awesome for about a week and a half
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a pre fab park is better than no park at all in most cases.
Yeah but for the same cost as filling a slab with quarterpipes, plastic ledges, bank to banks, etc, as fun as they can be, you could get a real skatepark builder to come in and build a cool little flow park with polished granite ledges and pool coping and shit.
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a pre fab park is better than no park at all in most cases.
no, it's not. once the shitty prefab park is thrown up, it gives cops, security, and overzealous citizens the ability to say "just go to the skatepark" every time you try to skate somewhere. and when the skatepark is some overpriced piece of shit that's falling apart, that's a problem.
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considering that I have no skatepark in my town, a prefab park with a good mini ramp, box, and pyramid would be great.
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a pre fab park is better than no park at all in most cases.
With cops you say to them "Gee officer, there's a park in town?! What does it look like? Wow! That sounds like fun! Can you tell us where it is? Thanks for all the help!" and flip the script on a potential bust. You don't have to go there. With a citizen you just make fun of the piece of shit they call a park and then offer them a good Samaritan award
Some pro skater said something about bad parks along the lines of "if you saw most of the obstacles integrated into an actual street spot you would be hyped." It's a good approach to a shitty park. Obviously everybody likes good parks more than bad parks, and prefab parks are certainly bad, but if there's nothing better, fuck it.
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From the website
Should ARC be found liable on all claims, it will have to pay up to $18 million in damages and fines. Each municipality will likely need to have a new skate park built to replace the Pro Series equipment, and such a recovery will enable each local government to upgrade to a higher quality skatepark.
Fuck yeah...I hope they get em
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good prefab parks are actually really fun, provided it has a good mini, all the usual essentials, and lots of slick flat. concrete parks have their place but i dont think they can or should replace them
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good prefab parks are actually really fun, provided it has a good mini, all the usual essentials, and lots of slick flat. concrete parks have their place but i dont think they can or should replace them
...concrete parks GENERALLY contain all of these implements. slick flat like that made of concrete, or you're looking for like a linoleum surface? Ice?
The point is, a real skateboard park builder, run by skateboarders, can build you a park to your town specifications, it will be more fun and dynamic, and you put some money is skater's pockets. This isn't an indictment of solid banked hips and flatbars, it's of a shitty company taking our fuckin' money, and giving us something back that is not worth the price tag.
If Wal-Mart made really solid blank decks and they were cheaper, would you buy 'em? Not even cheaper, just more readily available?
And regarding 'replacing' them, in the same article I referenced earlier, Carnie says something like, every city needs a 'crete park, a street plaza, a BMX park, and a bath house for the rollerbladers.
Just like any other municipality, it should be specialized. You don't see 'em playing baseball on the basketball court.
Also the parks should be lit, open all night, and you should be able to smoke as much pot and drink as much beer as you want in public. Fuck, they should sell beer! These are my demands.
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a pre fab park is better than no park at all in most cases.
Some pro skater said something about bad parks along the lines of "if you saw most of the obstacles integrated into an actual street spot you would be hyped." It's a good approach to a shitty park. Obviously everybody likes good parks more than bad parks, and prefab parks are certainly bad, but if there's nothing better, fuck it.
agree with this. do you think a cop or security would ever think "i would kick these kids out, but since there isnt a close skatepark ill let it slide". i think in most cases the thought wouldnt cross their mind
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I just noticed this on the website:
"Spohn Ranch, Inc. is what is known as the ?Relator? of the lawsuit. Spohn is what is often called a ?whistle blower? ? a private party that discovers what it believes is fraud against the government. The Relator then brings the claim on behalf of the various governments. If the Relator prevails then it is entitled to share in the proceeds of the recovery. Spohn intends to place any relator share into a trust fund for the replacement of Pro Series skateparks with concrete parks."
Sounds like Spohn Ranch is in it to call shotgun on building parks in the plaintiff cities. Any of you guys skate their parks? Are they good/trustworthy?
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I just noticed this on the website:
"Spohn Ranch, Inc. is what is known as the ?Relator? of the lawsuit. Spohn is what is often called a ?whistle blower? ? a private party that discovers what it believes is fraud against the government. The Relator then brings the claim on behalf of the various governments. If the Relator prevails then it is entitled to share in the proceeds of the recovery. Spohn intends to place any relator share into a trust fund for the replacement of Pro Series skateparks with concrete parks."
Sounds like Spohn Ranch is in it to call shotgun on building parks in the plaintiff cities. Any of you guys skate their parks? Are they good/trustworthy?
I don't know anything about the company itself, but I hear good things about the Gainesville park they built, and the one in Daytona Beach is the bomb shit man. Lights on all night, a multitude of obstacles that flow together, A DECKLESS QUARTERPIPE in reference to that other thread. It does smell like poop cuz' it's next to a waste managment plant thing, but you get used to it.
http://www.spohnranch.com/featured-parks/ (http://www.spohnranch.com/featured-parks/)
and the built a dick shaped bowl.
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I just noticed this on the website:
"Spohn Ranch, Inc. is what is known as the ?Relator? of the lawsuit. Spohn is what is often called a ?whistle blower? ? a private party that discovers what it believes is fraud against the government. The Relator then brings the claim on behalf of the various governments. If the Relator prevails then it is entitled to share in the proceeds of the recovery. Spohn intends to place any relator share into a trust fund for the replacement of Pro Series skateparks with concrete parks."
Sounds like Spohn Ranch is in it to call shotgun on building parks in the plaintiff cities. Any of you guys skate their parks? Are they good/trustworthy?
my local park is spohn ranch and its very well built, and they seemed like good people to work with
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Those Spohn Ranch Parks look awesome! I would kill to have something like anyone of those around here.
http://www.spohnranch.com/featured-parks/?park_id=108 (http://www.spohnranch.com/featured-parks/?park_id=108)
That one looks pretty cool and would probably be cheap for a city to build.
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Should ARC be found liable on all claims, it will have to pay up to $18 million in damages and fines. Each municipality will likely need to have a new skate park built to replace the Pro Series equipment, and such a recovery will enable each local government to upgrade to a higher quality skatepark.
The Jeffersons Original Theme Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcqToQzzGY#ws)
Haha! So good!
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pre fab parks can be fun as long as they got a decent sized mini ramp, now theres a shit ton of concrete parks where i grew up but back in the day we had to deal with that shit
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spohn ranch over arc anyday.
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To the dude who's cement park is cracking up- quikrete is easy to use and pretty cheap. Just be sure to roughen the smooth parts you blend the patch on, otherwise it can't grab and will chip off. Then water gets in and it falls apart. if you don't have basic experience with cement then yeah, approace the city in an intelligent manner. Don't say "it's dangerous," say that "small repairs now will prevent further erosion before it gets so bad it requires more expensive maintenance." Their primary interest is money, show them how it makes sense for their wallet to deal with it.
Fuckin ARC. Even the 1/4's that were "good" example look like they have an annoying little bump at the bottom. Fuck these guys and their shoddy parks, I'm glad spohn blew the whistle. They have their own interests too, but part of that is building good cement parks so let them profit.
I'll have fun on any shitty ramp you give me, but these parks have no character, they're usually back and forth, hit box in middle, and you can go on a road trip and skate the exact same 1/4 in 10 different states. That sounds pretty boring, never having to learn the lines of an unfamiliar place. It's like going on a street skating mission and just skating the exact same flatbar in 8 different parking lots. That defeats the purpose of street skating like these things defeat the purpose of park skating. Don't know if that makes sense, the beer is flowing like wine, sorry.
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American Ramp Company (ARC) Promo Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcXiJ6OTLeQ&feature=channel_video_title#ws)
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I never understood the idea of curb height rails.
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(http://www.americanrampcompanylawsuit.com//wp-content/uploads/2012/01/P1016102.jpg)
I hope they win their lawsuit, pre-fab parks are terrible. But many of the pics didn't seem that bad, I've seen SkateWave stuff in far worse shape.
dude i run a skatewave park.... shit is horrible and they wont come fix it despite their life time warranty
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lots of towns are unhappy with skatewave..... there needs to be a class-action suit brought against them as well.
and to all the "its better than nothing," and "i can have fun there" dudes-- the issue isn't how good or bad the parks are, the issue is that they invariably get damaged over use, and the companies refuse to honor their warranty. they'll claim "vandalism," "improper use," or any number of other bullshit excuses caused the damage to avoid paying up. plus, in a lot of places, the obstacles get stolen.... which is fun if you and your crew are the ones that swiped it, but it sucks for everyone else.
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a pre fab park is better than no park at all in most cases.
Some pro skater said something about bad parks along the lines of "if you saw most of the obstacles integrated into an actual street spot you would be hyped." It's a good approach to a shitty park. Obviously everybody likes good parks more than bad parks, and prefab parks are certainly bad, but if there's nothing better, fuck it.
agree with this. do you think a cop or security would ever think "i would kick these kids out, but since there isnt a close skatepark ill let it slide". i think in most cases the thought wouldnt cross their mind
not exactly as you've described, but i've seen it happen. i grew up in a small town in the midwest. not a lot of spots, but a few. kids used to be able to skate spots like the middle school and stuff pretty much hassle free. (i realize that small midwestern farm towns aren't exactly a barometer for how the rest of the wold operates, but whatever.) once the town built a shitty plywood playground, everything became an instabust. now that plywood shitfest is rotted out, and the kids get kicked out of everywhere.... i got chased out of a parking lot while just crossing it last time i was back there visiting family.
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The prefab park near my house is actually pretty good. It's all concrete and not that shitty plastic which makes a huge difference. They also laid it out pretty good which is important to make it fun.
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My city is on that list. I find it quite funny considering how my city never had meetings to make a park, took and into their own hands, and now crying foul. I would love a concrete park, but considering everything we most likely won't.
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American Ramp Company (ARC) Promo Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcXiJ6OTLeQ&feature=channel_video_title#ws)
i would be fucking hyped if a got some of these tricks, and doug really has a face i can trust
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My parks not pre fab, but the ground/flat is asphalt(sp?) And the ramps are all concrete, and now there's a lot of big cracks where they meet. We want to get the park resurfaced but are worried the city will just shut it down if we complain about its state/how unsafe it is.
please do not go near any moisture.
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What do you mean?
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Hopefully real concrete parks get poured everywhere
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skate wave is astonishingly horrible. so horrible thats its amazing that any one company can be so bad at what they do. I have skated some ok ARC parks but im sure i would retract that statement if i knew how much they cost to build.
word on the street is that this place was only 150,000 grand to build, so theres pretty much no excuse anymore.
willy grinds in willimantic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQGQNwgk_hc#)
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Yeah Skate Wave is sooooo bad.
How do we add them to the lawsuit?
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pretty sure that would have to be a separate lawsuit.... the main obstacle you'd probably face would be getting the park and rec dudes in the cities that have dilapidated skatewave stuff to acknowledge there's even a problem.
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They built the Dew-tour bowl... the portable one that's nothing short of a work of art!
http://www.spohnranch.com/featured-parks/?park_id=1795 (http://www.spohnranch.com/featured-parks/?park_id=1795)
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to all the guys claiming it's better than nothing, i used to skate the ARC ez7 park and had fun but these parks close to my house in austin are just way, way better
(http://plywoodtoy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/brushy-creek-skatepark.jpg)
(http://slayshtank.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/IMG_0874.jpg)
we don't have to settle for shit just because we are skaters. i pay the same amount of taxes as football fans that have billion dollar stadiums in every city.
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looks like ARC put a statement on their website. Spohn Racnch are idiots.
http://americanrampcompany.com/news/ (http://americanrampcompany.com/news/)
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What do you mean?
well, you're ice nine, you know what will happen. god damn felix hoenniker.
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(http://static.pixelpipe.com/add5e552-3b67-434d-bfe6-5ff358dbe493_b.jpg)
kicker to picnic table not pictured
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http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/story/_/id/7586619/spohn-ranch-skatepark-construction-company-sues-rival-federal-court (http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/story/_/id/7586619/spohn-ranch-skatepark-construction-company-sues-rival-federal-court)
"...the [Department of Justice] has decided [the] case has no merit and it is suspending its involvement in the matter"
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Nobody's cheering except you, Mr. ARC rep.
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I've been posting under the ARC lawsuit topic on Skatedaily.net under the user namd Skatepark Adv now this clown who is obviously an employee of ARC stole my user name and is trolling on the Slap boards trying to defend this garbage. ARC has had its employees all over the web trying to question the validity of this lawsuit. But while they bring up who brought the suit and whether it will get thrown out of court they never address the facts that they peddle this over priced junk to cities, leave skaters holding the bag when it rusts and falls apart, play bait and switch with their poured in place division using Hardcore Skateparks to get in the door and then talk the municipalities out of concrete in favor of metal prefab or modular concrete.
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i'll just leave this here....
http://skateparkwarranty.blogspot.com/ (http://skateparkwarranty.blogspot.com/)
if you've got some bullshit in your town, post it up to that blog. stop allowing cities to give skateboarding dollars to payground companies.
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I've been posting under the ARC lawsuit topic on Skatedaily.net under the user namd Skatepark Adv now this clown who is obviously an employee of ARC stole my user name and is trolling on the Slap boards trying to defend this garbage. ARC has had its employees all over the web trying to question the validity of this lawsuit. But while they bring up who brought the suit and whether it will get thrown out of court they never address the facts that they peddle this over priced junk to cities, leave skaters holding the bag when it rusts and falls apart, play bait and switch with their poured in place division using Hardcore Skateparks to get in the door and then talk the municipalities out of concrete in favor of metal prefab or modular concrete.
Unless I'm misreading, are you saying someone stole a username here at Slap or are you talking about S&A?
If here, PM me the username and if I can verify that and I'll fix that for you. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, been a long day at work and I'm currently high as a kite listening to 80's pop music. Hollaar.
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looks like ARC put a statement on their website.? ? Spohn Racnch are idiots.
http://americanrampcompany.com/news/ (http://americanrampcompany.com/news/)
Hahaha. Could you be more obvious? Next time try wearing one of these:
(http://creepy.blogs.com/.a/6a00d83451f8d669e201156fca4683970c-500wi)
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http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/story/_/id/7586619/spohn-ranch-skatepark-construction-company-sues-rival-federal-court (http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/story/_/id/7586619/spohn-ranch-skatepark-construction-company-sues-rival-federal-court)
"...the [Department of Justice] has decided [the] case has no merit and it is suspending its involvement in the matter"
First, the owner of ARC, Nathan Bemo, sent an email on 2-17 to a huge email list of actual skaters who he thought gave a shit- it read
"http://espn.go.com/action/skateboarding/story/_/id/7586619/spohn-ranch-skatepark-construction-company-sues-rival-federal-court
"If the government declines to intervene ? it means the [Department of Justice] has decided [the] case has no merit and it is suspending its involvement in the matter,"
Besides the blatant twist of the actual verbiage from the lawsuit, this is an exact duplicate of the post here... have I ever mentioned I hate fucking cowards? Post your name bro, everyone here would love to debate this shit with you.
ARC has sold their bastard stepchild HARDCORE to California Skateparks so now I assume we will be seeing a renewed effort on their part to populate the world with steel. Should be an interesting year.
Also worth a read- http://americanrampcompany.com/news/
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So, apparently ARC thinks that all they need to do is continue to satisfy their customers just like they have been- Don't ostriches do something similar?
In our opinion, this lawsuit and the website designed to promote the lawsuit are nothing more than an attempt by Spohn Ranch to use the legal system, as opposed to its own product and services, to gain an advantage in the marketplace.
We at ARC are resolved to continue to manufacture quality products and continue to provide the same great service to which our loyal customers have grown accustomed.
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I've been posting under the ARC lawsuit topic on Skatedaily.net under the user namd Skatepark Adv now this clown who is obviously an employee of ARC stole my user name and is trolling on the Slap boards trying to defend this garbage. ARC has had its employees all over the web trying to question the validity of this lawsuit. But while they bring up who brought the suit and whether it will get thrown out of court they never address the facts that they peddle this over priced junk to cities, leave skaters holding the bag when it rusts and falls apart, play bait and switch with their poured in place division using Hardcore Skateparks to get in the door and then talk the municipalities out of concrete in favor of metal prefab or modular concrete.
If here, PM me the username and if I can verify that and I'll fix that for you. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, been a long day at work and I'm currently high as a kite listening to 80's pop music. Hollaar.
I never had a Slap account named stop prefab it was just a user name I was going under on the Skatedaily.net comment section. This guy didn't hack my account he just used the name I had been using on another site. The difference is I was using that name on Skatedaily to actually hold ARC accountable for the terrible skateparks they build and their dishonest sales tactics while he is using it on Slap to defend these terrible parks to the detriment of skateboarders everywhere.
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shitty parks are only the tip of the iceberg with these assholes
From: Micah Foreman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:44 AM
To: Sleazy
Subject: RE: Offensive ARC Material
Sleazy,
Thank you for your concern. I’m sorry the parks youskated were of poor quality. We’re constantly looking for ways to improveour product, so if you have specific examples of what made the parksunskateable, we’d love to have your input. Pictures always help as well.
I’m glad you care as much as you do for the skater communityin your area. We do hope that you all get a quality Skatepark for theskaters. Good luck with the project.
God bless,
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From: Sleazy[mailto:Sleazy]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 3:32 AM
To: Micah Foreman
Subject: RE: Offensive ARC Material
=> We believe thisdirectly affects the way we do business, as we attempt to treat our customershonestly and offer them the best product on the market at a competitive price.
Actually, I’ve skated your parks, they are horrible. I usedto skate ez 7 all the time and I truly feel sorry for kids who only have yourparks put in their neighborhoods. I now live close to the cedar park skate parkbuilt by new line and the difference is astounding. Ironically, it also has away more family friendly atmosphere. Maybe if you focused more on your corebusiness, actually learned to skate and learned about skate culture (includingthe part where most skaters don’t like the mixing of faith with skateboarding)then maybe you’d actually come a little closer to fulfilling your missionstatement. I’m guess competitive price is all you are really bringing to thetable but really, your product isn’t competitive so that’s actually an extremelymisleading statement. But I’d assume it’s unintentional due to your superiormorality that you referenced in your email.
=> “Be a professional andstop mixing your personal religious beliefs with business.” We’ll have to disagree with you on this one. Faith in Jesus is somethingthat affects everything, not just a personal life. His teachings wereholistic, and they affect the entire person, and the entire world, businessside included. Can you imagine a business world completely void of anymoral principles that Jesus commanded his followers to emulate?
Are you always so righteous and pompous about your beliefs?Amazing that you can’t even see how unprofessional and rude this kind of thingis. Just because you think you’ve got life figured out doesn’t mean you have togo around acting like an a hole about it and calling everyone you meet out onhaving inferior morals. You should just be happy that by your belief systemeveryone that doesn’t believe the same as you will be tortured throughouteternity. Torturing people, including children for not believing in a hard tobelieve tales, yeah, that’s a great moral framework you got there… Definitelymaking us non-believers feel morally inferior with that one. But hey, why wait tillafter they die? Why not torture people for not believing like you before theydie? Oh right, the inquisition, that didn’t turn out too well did it…
I doubt there will be any problems with this but I will mostcertainly make sure that upcoming funds that will be available for skateparkdevelopment in my area don’t go to support such a misguided, unprofessionalcompany that creates such horrible products. Fortunately though, I live in anarea where quality is a concern, the skate population is organized and not outof touch and new line has set a standard for quality and professionalism thatyou can’t even come close to competing with. If you really care for youremployees, you might want to change your direction and put product quality andbusiness first and save your faith for the weekend, like all other workingprofessionals do.
Sleazy
From: Micah Foreman[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:59 PM
To: Sleazy
Cc: Micah Foreman
Subject: Offensive ARC Material
Sleazy,
My name is Micah and I’m the Business Development Managerhere at ARC. I want to begin by apologizing that you have found our“Jesus page” offensive. But I do thank you for addressing theissue.
If you don’t mind, I’d like to give you a littlecontext. We are a Christian based company: our owners and many of us areChristians. We believe this directly affects the way we do business, as weattempt to treat our customers honestly and offer them the best product on themarket at a competitive price. We also do not participate in thecompetitor bashing that is so prevalent in the Skate-Park Industry. This,however, does not mean that we discriminate on who we hire based on faith, orany other matter. We have many employees here that don’t share ourfaith! We also do not intend to impose our beliefs on anyone who viewsour site, or buys our products. Being a grassroots company, we do have afreedom to express faith orientation because we answer to ourselves. Iwould ask that you not discriminate against us based on our faith that we havefreedom to express in this county. When it comes down to it, you areletting a religious issue affect your business decisions as well!
If you want to approach the issue logically, if what we’resaying & believe is true, it would be more offensive to not share. Ifit’s not true, Then we are then to be pitied above all men… you shouldfeel sorry for how pathetic we are, and it shouldn’t bother you. There’sno offense in an obvious lie. The truth does usually has quite a bitethough.
“Be a professional and stopmixing your personal religious beliefs with business.” We’llhave to disagree with you on this one. Faith in Jesus is something thataffects everything, not just a personal life. His teachings wereholistic, and they affect the entire person, and the entire world, businessside included. Can you imagine a business world completely void of anymoral principles that Jesus commanded his followers to emulate?
To end my response, I will say that we will not be able toretract our faith statement, and we will accept any consequences that come fromthat stance. I hope I was able to address your concerns, but I dounderstand that we may have to agree to disagree on this point. I wishyou well, and regardless of who ends up building your park, I hope yourcommunity needs are taken care of, and you end up with a great SkatePark!
Let me know if there’s anything else you would likeaddressed. Take care!
MICAH FOREMAN
Business Development Manager
601McKinley Avenue
Joplin, MO 64801
TollFree: 877.726.7778 x128
Fax: 417.206.6888
Your inititial email:
“I find your religous content and threats of damnation to beboth offensive and in appropriate. If you do not remove these comments I'llmake sure that my city council members are aware that I don't want any of mytax dollars going to support your company because of it's offensive nature. Bea professional and stop mixing your personal religious beliefs with business.Sleazy”
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"If you don?t mind, I?d like to give you a little context. We are a Christian based company: our owners and many of us are Christians. We believe this directly affects the way we do business" If that's true we're all in trouble...
"we treat our customers honestly and offer them the best product on the market at a competitive price." Seriously?
"We also do not participate in the competitor bashing that is so prevalent in the Skate-Park Industry." Bullshot... at almost exactly the same time this guy was writing this another sales rep named Jon Hunter was hounding one of our clients in Michigan, feeding him phone numbers to call for bad references on my company. We were working with a small town with only $30k to spend and ARC was trying to sell them a precut wood DIY kit. The client had to finally send a letter through an attorney to make him stop.
Then, a sales rep named Tyler Woods sent this email, truncated because it's pretty long, to a client in NH. While he was writing this email ARC was busy buying Hardcore and Breaking Ground Skateparks in an attempt to gain some legitimacy in the skate world, something that they obviously couldn't do on their own. The city Mr. Woods was harassing now has a proper peanut with pool coping and a small plaza for their $60k rather than the steel rattle-trap ARC was proposing.
"Thanks for the update on the skatepark project. I can?t help but be concerned that WhoSkates is the company you have decided to select for the skatepark design/build services. I do not at all mean to come across as negative but rather informative.
WhoSkates is a relatively new company to the poured-in-place concrete skatepark industry. They only built modular skatepark ramps up until about 2 years ago when they decided to try their hand at the poured-in-place game. They do not have enough experience to complete the quality work required by your project.
The very reason they're being sued is because they will say and do ANYTHING to make a sale and the industry is sick of it.
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"If you don?t mind, I?d like to give you a little context. We are a Christian based company: our owners and many of us are Christians. We believe this directly affects the way we do business" If that's true we're all in trouble...
"we treat our customers honestly and offer them the best product on the market at a competitive price." Seriously?
"We also do not participate in the competitor bashing that is so prevalent in the Skate-Park Industry." Bullshot... at almost exactly the same time this guy was writing this another sales rep named Jon Hunter was hounding one of our clients in Michigan, feeding him phone numbers to call for bad references on my company. We were working with a small town with only $30k to spend and ARC was trying to sell them a precut wood DIY kit. The client had to finally send a letter through an attorney to make him stop.
Then, a sales rep named Tyler Woods sent this email, truncated because it's pretty long, to a client in NH. While he was writing this email ARC was busy buying Hardcore and Breaking Ground Skateparks in an attempt to gain some legitimacy in the skate world, something that they obviously couldn't do on their own. The city Mr. Woods was harassing now has a proper peanut with pool coping and a small plaza for their $60k rather than the steel rattle-trap ARC was proposing.
"Thanks for the update on the skatepark project. I can?t help but be concerned that WhoSkates is the company you have decided to select for the skatepark design/build services. I do not at all mean to come across as negative but rather informative.
WhoSkates is a relatively new company to the poured-in-place concrete skatepark industry. They only built modular skatepark ramps up until about 2 years ago when they decided to try their hand at the poured-in-place game. They do not have enough experience to complete the quality work required by your project.
The very reason they're being sued is because they will say and do ANYTHING to make a sale and the industry is sick of it.
FUCK THOSE DUDES
i wish more skaters gave a shit about getting proper parks built in their towns
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Sounds like arc is the walmart of skating. This shit is important and I hope more people wise up and put an end to pre-fab altogether.