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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: via on February 09, 2012, 09:35:06 AM
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No idea what he did yet. It's a Shame though.
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i heard he jerked off, so he felt responsible to turn himself in. my source isnt that good though
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
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Some people never get it out of them, man. I'm not very familiar with the prison system, but upon release, how long are you generally on probation? And if one were to get arrested while on probation, don't they just go right back in?
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I dont know the guy at all. let me make that clear. So this is just a random blurb.
I will just see him around, usually at ftc events.
Last ftc event we started talking and he told me he loves to race motorcycles, like crotch rockets. and that he gets in police chases and such....so who knows...
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Bummer, this dude could have went far in skateboarding. At least we have his timecode part to remember the golden years.
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When you get in a certain cycle its real hard to break it. Hope not true though.
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he had found religion, he was in a kind of jail anyway.
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
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He's institutionalized.
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Some people never get it out of them, man.� I'm not very familiar with the prison system, but upon release, how long are you generally on probation?� And if one were to get arrested while on probation, don't they just go right back in?
when you get out of jail its parole, and generally you are on it for as long as the remainder of your sentence (ie if you get sentenced to 4 years and get out in 3 you have a year on parole- and if you violate you have a hearing with less rights and process than if this was a fresh arrest.
probation is what you get at sentencing instead of jail, a lot of times probation comes with a suspended sentence (ie 2 years probation with a 9mo suspended sentence) so they keep that jail time over your head and if you violate its pretty much straight to jail, you get a solid process but but with a lower burden of proof as if you had fresh arrest
however there are variations of this with overlap ( ie 3 month sentence with 2 years of probation)
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god damn.
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I dont know the guy at all. let me make that clear. So this is just a random blurb.
I will just see him around, usually at ftc events.
Last ftc event we started talking and he told me he loves to race motorcycles, like crotch rockets. and that he gets in police chases and such....so who knows...
this.
i would put my money on him getting in trouble over his motorcycle riding. i ran into him at a party a couple months back and talked to him for hella long about shit and he just wouldnt stop talking about how he rages on his motorcycles. with his girlfriend on the back, too! haha. i told him "dude id be scared for my girl i wouldnt want to take her going hella fast like that" and hes like "well when i got her on the back and go really fast its on the straight aways and i know that everything will be okay because i got god on my side". then i said peace to him, he told methat god is wassup, then ended up actually taking the bus down mission with him and his girl. the dude is strange and liable to do pretty much anything, but the way he seemed so passionate and insane about his motorcycles leads me to believe that this is the case.
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Is there something about being on AWS that leads to mental retardation later in life?
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this does not bode well...
being an idiot on a motorcycle never does. especially if you think god is going to protect you from your idiocy.
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he suffers from mental illness.
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hes got the god insurance plan
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
Well, at least he didn't put a picture of him up in his sig in solidarity with his incarcerated hero. THAT would be lame...
I think this thread as a whole brings up an interesting discussion topic: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they are a trash can for society, and going in for even a minor offense can result in people becoming stuck in the system and having repeat visits. The fucked up thing is usually the main crime the person commits is being poor in America, instead of investing in a safety net and good education, this society builds up its prisons instead to throw away the fucked up people it creates with its apathy.
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Some people never get it out of them, man.� I'm not very familiar with the prison system, but upon release, how long are you generally on probation?� And if one were to get arrested while on probation, don't they just go right back in?
when you get out of jail its parole, and generally you are on it for as long as the remainder of your sentence (ie if you get sentenced to 4 years and get out in 3 you have a year on parole- and if you violate you have a hearing with less rights and process than if this was a fresh arrest.
probation is what you get at sentencing instead of jail, a lot of times probation comes with a suspended sentence (ie 2 years probation with a 9mo suspended sentence) so they keep that jail time over your head and if you violate its pretty much straight to jail, you get a solid process but but with a lower burden of proof as if you had fresh arrest
however there are variations of this with overlap ( ie 3 month sentence with 2 years of probation)
No. Parole is what you get when you get out of prison. Probation is what you get when you get out of jail..... basically. To go to prison you need a felony. I have been charged with many felonies but they've always been dropped to misdemeanors. Misdemeanors get you sent to jail(County Jail). You only get probation and/or parole if you take the deal. It does get a little more complicated but this basically sums it up.
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If Lenny rides motor bikes like he drives....
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he suffers from mental illness.
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Jail isnt going to make someone with a Mental Illness get better.
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Well, at least he didn't put a picture of him up in his sig in solidarity with his incarcerated hero. THAT would be lame...
that might make sense if max b was my hero, but even then its reaching
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He was actually out on bail... awaiting trial.
When the day came to go see the judge and work some shit out... He skipped out.
That was a few months ago. He had been on the run ever since. Not sure how they caught up with him...
But they did.
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ok cool does anyone care anymore? no who cares. lennie kirk would have been tight if he still skated but now he is just a dude who rides his motorcycle too fast with legal problems just like any other dude okay he had agreat part in that one alien video but if he comes out of jail or posts bail or whatever he has to do, will he release a new part? no. that being said, i hope the man stays safe and sane and out of harms way. okay bye.
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ok cool does anyone care anymore? no who cares. lennie kirk would have been tight if he still skated but now he is just a dude who rides his motorcycle too fast with legal problems just like any other dude okay he had agreat part in that one alien video but if he comes out of jail or posts bail or whatever he has to do, will he release a new part? no. that being said, i hope the man stays safe and sane and out of harms way. okay bye.
you could have just skipped to the last two words and left all the rest of that bullshit for the birds. FOH.
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He was actually out on bail... awaiting trial.
When the day came to go see the judge and work some shit out... He skipped out.
That was a few months ago. He had been on the run ever since. Not sure how they caught up with him...
But they did.
Jesus, he jumped bail! Ah man, they are gonna fuck him up real bad for that.
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im not suprised but it is a shame. that dude was an amazing blend man really cool. i think hes one of the most underrated skaters as far as his influence. crazy as shit though man
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
I think this thread as a whole brings up an interesting discussion topic: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they are a trash can for society, and going in for even a minor offense can result in people becoming stuck in the system and having repeat visits. The fucked up thing is usually the main crime the person commits is being poor in America, instead of investing in a safety net and good education, this society builds up its prisons instead to throw away the fucked up people it creates with its apathy.
Agreed. If you aren't a homicidal, hateful fuck going in then you will be by the time that you get out. In my opinion, the U.S. prison system isn't for rehabilitation, it exists to threaten/punish and in most cases support a criminal justice system that needs an excuse to take money from tax payers.
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
I think this thread as a whole brings up an interesting discussion topic: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they are a trash can for society, and going in for even a minor offense can result in people becoming stuck in the system and having repeat visits. The fucked up thing is usually the main crime the person commits is being poor in America, instead of investing in a safety net and good education, this society builds up its prisons instead to throw away the fucked up people it creates with its apathy.
Agreed. If you aren't a homicidal, hateful fuck going in then you will be by the time that you get out. In my opinion, the U.S. prison system isn't for rehabilitation, it exists to threaten/punish and in most cases support a criminal justice system that needs an excuse to take money from tax payers.
Of course it's for punishment and deterrence. What kind of hippie world do you live in? I would like to see more of a rehabilitative focus in most circumstances, I think we all would, but people who break the law owe a debt to society and need to pay it first. Skipping out on bail? C'mon son. If nobody was punished for doing that, the the whose system of bail wouldn't work.
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
I think this thread as a whole brings up an interesting discussion topic: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they are a trash can for society, and going in for even a minor offense can result in people becoming stuck in the system and having repeat visits. The fucked up thing is usually the main crime the person commits is being poor in America, instead of investing in a safety net and good education, this society builds up its prisons instead to throw away the fucked up people it creates with its apathy.
Agreed. If you aren't a homicidal, hateful fuck going in then you will be by the time that you get out. In my opinion, the U.S. prison system isn't for rehabilitation, it exists to threaten/punish and in most cases support a criminal justice system that needs an excuse to take money from tax payers.
Of course it's for punishment and deterrence. What kind of hippie world do you live in? I would like to see more of a rehabilitative focus in most circumstances, I think we all would, but people who break the law owe a debt to society and need to pay it first. Skipping out on bail? C'mon son. If nobody was punished for doing that, the the whose system of bail wouldn't work.
In terms of crime prevention it is one of the most costly and least effective social interventions. What kind of abusive and domination filled life do you live? Rehab, education, and a variety of other social services have be shown to be far more effective of crime deterrents for far cheaper, but they still don't do it.
Let's put it this way- beating your kid for almost nothing is not going to make him an upstanding citizen, but teaching him and emotionally supporting him will. Why would it work differently in society? But our society approaches criminals like the abusive parent, which makes things so much worse.
And thugnificent- When did he call Lennie Kirk his hero? You either aren't lame and he isn't, or both of you are.
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
I think this thread as a whole brings up an interesting discussion topic: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they are a trash can for society, and going in for even a minor offense can result in people becoming stuck in the system and having repeat visits. The fucked up thing is usually the main crime the person commits is being poor in America, instead of investing in a safety net and good education, this society builds up its prisons instead to throw away the fucked up people it creates with its apathy.
Agreed.� If you aren't a homicidal, hateful fuck going in then you will be by the time that you get out.� In my opinion, the U.S. prison system� isn't for rehabilitation, it exists to threaten/punish and in most cases support a criminal justice system that needs an excuse to take money from tax payers.
Of course it's for punishment and deterrence.� What kind of hippie world do you live in?� I would like to see more of a rehabilitative focus in most circumstances, I think we all would, but people who break the law owe a debt to society and need to pay it first.� Skipping out on bail?� C'mon son.� If nobody was punished for doing that, the the whose system of bail wouldn't work.
Not so much, I don't agree with half the shit that people go to prison for and I don't have much faith in the concept of justice that gets tossed around by holier than thous. There are a lot of silly, victim-less crimes that carry some pretty stupid penalties.
The less respect you have for the law the less you appreciate people getting locked up for breaking it. I don't need people to get locked up to feel safe.
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
I think this thread as a whole brings up an interesting discussion topic: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they are a trash can for society, and going in for even a minor offense can result in people becoming stuck in the system and having repeat visits. The fucked up thing is usually the main crime the person commits is being poor in America, instead of investing in a safety net and good education, this society builds up its prisons instead to throw away the fucked up people it creates with its apathy.
Agreed.� If you aren't a homicidal, hateful fuck going in then you will be by the time that you get out.� In my opinion, the U.S. prison system� isn't for rehabilitation, it exists to threaten/punish and in most cases support a criminal justice system that needs an excuse to take money from tax payers.
Of course it's for punishment and deterrence.� What kind of hippie world do you live in?� I would like to see more of a rehabilitative focus in most circumstances, I think we all would, but people who break the law owe a debt to society and need to pay it first.� Skipping out on bail?� C'mon son.� If nobody was punished for doing that, the the whose system of bail wouldn't work.
Not so much, I don't agree with half the shit that people go to prison for and I don't have much faith in the concept of justice that gets tossed around by holier than thous. There are a lot of silly, victim-less crimes that carry some pretty stupid penalties.
The less respect you have for the law the less you appreciate people getting locked up for breaking it. I don't need people to get locked up to feel safe.
Dedicated officers who investigate graffiti know it is associated with rampant abuse of drugs and alcohol and other criminal activity, including break and enter, arson, theft, robbery, sexual assault, drug trafficking and production and possession of weapons and child pornography.
http://blueline.ca/articles/a_gateway_crime/ (http://blueline.ca/articles/a_gateway_crime/)
When you realize people in law enforcement believe this kind of shit, you get skeptical pretty fast.
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And thugnificent- When did he call Lennie Kirk his hero? You either aren't lame and he isn't, or both of you are.
huh? what are you even on about? nobody said anyone was their hero. he's lame for being upset that someone he doesnt know is in jail, it doesn't bother me at all that max b is in jail, its just a funny picture
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
I think this thread as a whole brings up an interesting discussion topic: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they are a trash can for society, and going in for even a minor offense can result in people becoming stuck in the system and having repeat visits. The fucked up thing is usually the main crime the person commits is being poor in America, instead of investing in a safety net and good education, this society builds up its prisons instead to throw away the fucked up people it creates with its apathy.
Agreed.� If you aren't a homicidal, hateful fuck going in then you will be by the time that you get out.� In my opinion, the U.S. prison system� isn't for rehabilitation, it exists to threaten/punish and in most cases support a criminal justice system that needs an excuse to take money from tax payers.
Of course it's for punishment and deterrence.� What kind of hippie world do you live in?� I would like to see more of a rehabilitative focus in most circumstances, I think we all would, but people who break the law owe a debt to society and need to pay it first.� Skipping out on bail?� C'mon son.� If nobody was punished for doing that, the the whose system of bail wouldn't work.
Let's put it this way- beating your kid for almost nothing is not going to make him an upstanding citizen, but teaching him and emotionally supporting him will. Why would it work differently in society? But our society approaches criminals like the abusive parent, which makes things so much worse.
And thugnificent- When did he call Lennie Kirk his hero? You either aren't lame and he isn't, or both of you are.
See this is your problem- you're only thinking about prevention and the rights of the criminal. I know all about how rehabilitation should be a greater component of the system, and poverty leads to higher crime rates, etc., but that doesn't mean that you can ignore the need for punishment and/or restitution that comes in the wake of a crime. Take someone who robs a convenience store at gunpoint. In his life leading up to that moment, perhaps he had a shitty upbringing which influenced why he might do such a thing, which for other people you might want to address with social programs or whatever. During/after prison, you would probably want him to get the help he needs to fit back into society. But in between, he needs to be punished. Pointing a gun at someone's head and robbing them is not cool, and you can't just take them aside and put them in a program and say justice is served. What about the person who had to deal with the stress of some asshole pointing a gun at their head? What about the store owner, who had to deal with someone robbing their store? What about society in general? The same goes for murder, rape, all that other stuff.
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And thugnificent- When did he call Lennie Kirk his hero? You either aren't lame and he isn't, or both of you are.
huh? what are you even on about? nobody said anyone was their hero. he's lame for being upset that someone he doesnt know is in jail, it doesn't bother me at all that max b is in jail, its just a funny picture
Lennie Kirk is my hero.
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
I think this thread as a whole brings up an interesting discussion topic: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they are a trash can for society, and going in for even a minor offense can result in people becoming stuck in the system and having repeat visits. The fucked up thing is usually the main crime the person commits is being poor in America, instead of investing in a safety net and good education, this society builds up its prisons instead to throw away the fucked up people it creates with its apathy.
Agreed.� If you aren't a homicidal, hateful fuck going in then you will be by the time that you get out.� In my opinion, the U.S. prison system� isn't for rehabilitation, it exists to threaten/punish and in most cases support a criminal justice system that needs an excuse to take money from tax payers.
Of course it's for punishment and deterrence.� What kind of hippie world do you live in?� I would like to see more of a rehabilitative focus in most circumstances, I think we all would, but people who break the law owe a debt to society and need to pay it first.� Skipping out on bail?� C'mon son.� If nobody was punished for doing that, the the whose system of bail wouldn't work.
Let's put it this way- beating your kid for almost nothing is not going to make him an upstanding citizen, but teaching him and emotionally supporting him will. Why would it work differently in society? But our society approaches criminals like the abusive parent, which makes things so much worse.
And thugnificent- When did he call Lennie Kirk his hero? You either aren't lame and he isn't, or both of you are.
See this is your problem- you're only thinking about prevention and the rights of the criminal. I know all about how rehabilitation should be a greater component of the system, and poverty leads to higher crime rates, etc., but that doesn't mean that you can ignore the need for punishment and/or restitution that comes in the wake of a crime. Take someone who robs a convenience store at gunpoint. In his life leading up to that moment, perhaps he had a shitty upbringing which influenced why he might do such a thing, which for other people you might want to address with social programs or whatever. During/after prison, you would probably want him to get the help he needs to fit back into society. But in between, he needs to be punished. Pointing a gun at someone's head and robbing them is not cool, and you can't just take them aside and put them in a program and say justice is served. What about the person who had to deal with the stress of some asshole pointing a gun at their head? What about the store owner, who had to deal with someone robbing their store? What about society in general? The same goes for murder, rape, all that other stuff.
Since the enlightenment its been a pretty widely accepted idea that in an enlightened society the goal of a justice system is to stop crime, not to be a state sponsored revenge system. I'm not talking about the rights of the criminal, I'm talking about logical thought. I'm talking about the rights of the rest of us to live in a society where we don't have to fear crime. Taking non-violent drug offenders and putting them in jail only creates more violent criminals, who have to end up back on the street eventually. Prisons do not remove criminals from our society, they send them abroad to the land of violence for training for a couple of years, and leaves them in positions where they are likely to become violent again. How is that good for anybody aside from somebody who's mind is clouded with the need for vengence, and who will not actually get piece of mind from the imprisonment?
Also, I'm not talking about social services for criminals, I'm talking about social services for people who need social services. There are huge connections to dropping out of high school and ending up in prison, but we invest far more into prisons than we do on schools.
You tell me I'm focusing on the criminal's rights. I'm not. You are just so focused on that fucked up right wing American blood lust that you can't see logic. Why don't you go live in some barbaric society where they have public executions and stone people to death? They have very similar feelings about justice.
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i knew today was going to suck. fuck.
why would someone you dont know, who obviously did something worthy of going to jail affect your day? do you shed a tear if you burn your morning toast too?
I think this thread as a whole brings up an interesting discussion topic: Prisons do not rehabilitate, they are a trash can for society, and going in for even a minor offense can result in people becoming stuck in the system and having repeat visits. The fucked up thing is usually the main crime the person commits is being poor in America, instead of investing in a safety net and good education, this society builds up its prisons instead to throw away the fucked up people it creates with its apathy.
Agreed.� If you aren't a homicidal, hateful fuck going in then you will be by the time that you get out.� In my opinion, the U.S. prison system� isn't for rehabilitation, it exists to threaten/punish and in most cases support a criminal justice system that needs an excuse to take money from tax payers.
Of course it's for punishment and deterrence.� What kind of hippie world do you live in?� I would like to see more of a rehabilitative focus in most circumstances, I think we all would, but people who break the law owe a debt to society and need to pay it first.� Skipping out on bail?� C'mon son.� If nobody was punished for doing that, the the whose system of bail wouldn't work.
Let's put it this way- beating your kid for almost nothing is not going to make him an upstanding citizen, but teaching him and emotionally supporting him will. Why would it work differently in society? But our society approaches criminals like the abusive parent, which makes things so much worse.
And thugnificent- When did he call Lennie Kirk his hero? You either aren't lame and he isn't, or both of you are.
See this is your problem- you're only thinking about prevention and the rights of the criminal. I know all about how rehabilitation should be a greater component of the system, and poverty leads to higher crime rates, etc., but that doesn't mean that you can ignore the need for punishment and/or restitution that comes in the wake of a crime. Take someone who robs a convenience store at gunpoint. In his life leading up to that moment, perhaps he had a shitty upbringing which influenced why he might do such a thing, which for other people you might want to address with social programs or whatever. During/after prison, you would probably want him to get the help he needs to fit back into society. But in between, he needs to be punished. Pointing a gun at someone's head and robbing them is not cool, and you can't just take them aside and put them in a program and say justice is served. What about the person who had to deal with the stress of some asshole pointing a gun at their head? What about the store owner, who had to deal with someone robbing their store? What about society in general? The same goes for murder, rape, all that other stuff.
Also, I'm not talking about social services for criminals, I'm talking about social services for people who need social services. There are huge connections to dropping out of high school and ending up in prison, but we invest far more into prisons than we do on schools.
You tell me I'm focusing on the criminal's rights. I'm not. You are just so focused on that fucked up right wing American blood lust that you can't see logic. Why don't you go live in some barbaric society where they have public executions and stone people to death? They have very similar feelings about justice.
Everyone knows you're left-wing, but I never thought you were this looney. There's a free monthly far left-wing publication on my campus that I like to peruse through every now and again for some laughs, and a big focus half the time in this publication is the complete elimination of the concept of prisons. I could never understand, even after reading the articles, how people can be so blind and naive, and I also never believed I would ever talk to someone so stupid that they bought into it. Would you honestly say the two guys who mutilated and killed Emmett Till should have been simply "rehabilitated" and set free and proclaim that justice was served?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till)
How about Paul Bernardo, who raped and killed three teenaged girls with his wife?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo#Schoolgirl_Killer_murders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bernardo#Schoolgirl_Killer_murders)
How about the three Shafia sisters and their mother, who were killed by their father because they were becoming too Westernized?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafia_family_murders)
How about Bernie Madoff, who certainly didn't commit any violent crimes, but ruined the lives of millions of people?
But of course, like any hippie, all you can think about is your precious drugs.
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I think he was talking about the bigger picture.
Think a bit rather than just reacting.
And good luck to Lennie, he's a skater.
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Yeah, you pretty much entirely just strawmanned my argument with your response. I'm in the prison reform camp, not prison abolition camp. I think my points have been received and understood.
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This is the standard left stance on the issue, why is anyone surprised by the gipper's comments?
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i think the main purpose of prison is to prevent, for example, people that kill people and rob banks from killing people and robbing banks and to protect the rest of society from them. by putting them in a jail cell they cant harm anyone else.
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Meh, Look at the Swedish prison system. Much better than ours. Our society loves to punish though, and it's easy to forget about all the people you lock away. The general population believes that they all deserve to be there or they wouldn't be in prison in the first place.
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Personally, I adhere to a live and let live mentality with a Viking twist. Essentially, you do your thing and I'll do mine but if you decide to fuck with my thing then I have every right to bury an axe in your skull. That's nature's way, maybe its a left-wing, bongo thumping hippy mentality but whathaveyou, pass the hackysack Sunshine and let me lull you with the sound of my new didgeridoo.
Throwing out examples of the criminals that have perpetrated terrible crimes and asking if they should be allowed to roam free and unpunished is just as fruitless as throwing out a zero recourse argument. How did the prison system do anything to keep the crimes from happening in the first place? Obviously it didn't but thank lil' baby Jesus that we can all live peacefully now that the monsters have been put in the naughty corner.
Have you ever taken a look at the laws that apply to you in the state that you live in? Have you ever had a cop give you a ticket based purely on their own assumptions and then you had to fight it in court? There are a lot of petty things other than drug related charges that can get one locked up. The U.S. is a strictly controlled society when it comes down to the books and you'll probably figure that out the day somebody has you by the balls for something that you completely disagree with. Unless you are a passive, head nodding, don't rock the boat type of pushover then chances are that you just might see the inside of a jail cell at some point in your life and it will be an eye opener how easily somebody with a complex can put you in there. There isn't a species of animal on the planet that you can toss in a cage, wait a period of time and then end up with something more enlightened and considerate than what went in.
Just for good measure since the above is way off topic: Skateboarding. I like skateboarding and discussing skateboarding things.
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i think the main purpose of prison is to prevent, for example, people that kill people and rob banks from killing people and robbing banks and to protect the rest of society from them. by putting them in a jail cell they cant harm anyone else.
What happens when they leave? And why spend so much on such an ineffective way of preventing murder and robbery, when we know better ways to deal with it?
Also, how are you preventing murders and robberies when the only time prisons act is AFTER the murder or robbery takes place?
This is the standard left stance on taken by people who have studied the issue, why is anyone surprised by the gipper's comments?
Fixed. Not one pro-prison system argument given in this thread holds any ground once questioned.
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And thugnificent- When did he call Lennie Kirk his hero? You either aren't lame and he isn't, or both of you are.
huh? what are you even on about? nobody said anyone was their hero. he's lame for being upset that someone he doesnt know is in jail, it doesn't bother me at all that max b is in jail, its just a funny picture
Lennie Kirk is my hero.
That sucks.
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The first thing I thought when I saw this was "what did god tell him to do this time?"
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I'll just leave this here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline_and_Punish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline_and_Punish)
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Who makes the laws that ultimately punish though?
How many of them should have done time for their crime(s), but don't or didn't, due to their upbringing or circumstances?
It's been like that since Antiquity...now, more than ever candidates and officials reach their positions based on fatter pockets and fundraising- it's not until years down the line do we hear about where it all came from.
If everyone across all labels and boundaries atoned equally, the prison argument itself wouldn't be as much of an issue, however there are certain types/groups/people that tend to, and are more likely to experiencing the judicial system simply because of lack of opportunity and money.
As long as "THEY" are away from my beloved family and friends, then I am free to do what ever I want without me fearing "THEM." It's basic, but people are basic here.
dealing with social workers and the clients they have, you'd be amazed how many people (young kids especially) get caught up in the legal or judicial system due to their parents or circumstances being completely beyond fucked. Not their fault- nobody was there to help or reinforce anything...but they suffer, and with the labels given to them will likely never get the (fair) chance that many others (of us) get to be functional members of society.
There are examples like Sweden, but those societies, while having some of the same ills American society has, simply aren't the same. The sheer volume of criminals in the system here would make the transition impossible for one, and two, there are sadly enough people outside of the prison system encouraging the lifestyles that promote the need for it (politically, socioeconomically, and otherwise), that rehabilitation would take a very long time to work itself out. I'd like to see it work, but I think there's a lot more complacency than many would like to admit.
there's also a real stigma with Mental Illnesses in this country, but that's for another post.
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I'll just leave this here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline_and_Punish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discipline_and_Punish)
Well played.
"In examining the construction of the prison as the central means of criminal punishment, Foucault builds a case for the idea that prison became part of a larger "carceral system" that has become an all-encompassing sovereign institution in modern society. Prison is one part of a vast network, including schools, military institutions, hospitals, and factories, which build a panoptic society for its members. This system creates "disciplinary careers" [1] for those locked within its corridors. It is operated under the scientific authority of medicine, psychology, and criminology. Moreover, it operates according to principles that ensure that it "cannot fail to produce delinquents." [2]. Delinquency, indeed, is produced when social petty crime (such as taking wood from the lord's lands) is no longer tolerated, creating a class of specialized "delinquents" acting as the police's proxy in surveillance of society."
I had Pink Floyd coming to mind the whole time I was reading that.