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General Discussion => WHATEVER => Topic started by: TomTom on March 07, 2012, 06:17:13 AM
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This is fucking gnarly.
Sit back watch, join.
KONY 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc#ws)
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This is everywhere!
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It has to be!
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http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/ (http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/)
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http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/ (http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/)
Yep.
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http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/ (http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/)
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(http://www.motivationalz.com/pictures/yep.jpg)
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I posted something on my tumblr about this and questions of how activism and accomplishment have changed due to the internet (shameless self promotion). The main gist of it is asking if merely posting something on your tumblr/Twitter/Facebook/SLAP Forums is enough and will actually result in some positive outcome. Or have people merely taken this as an opportunity to feel like they care and are doing something while actually doing very little of substance?
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I posted something on my tumblr about this and questions of how activism and accomplishment have changed due to the internet (shameless self promotion). The main gist of it is asking if merely posting something on your tumblr/Twitter/Facebook/SLAP Forums is enough and will actually result in some positive outcome. Or have people merely taken this as an opportunity to feel like they care and are doing something while actually doing very little of substance?
This is how I see it. Seems to be the issue of the week. While I agree things like this should be noticed and people should try to help, posting "~STOP KONY 2012~" to facebook every hour is not doing anything and when they realize they haven't actually done anything to help the fight, they will forget about it.
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slacktivism at its finest
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People should at least be trying, I mean, media hasn't really done shit about notifying the public about this, as it's a quite unknown subject. The general public should be passing it around, and if it gets enough hype on twitter/tumblr/etc, maybe the mainstream media channels will pick it up as well. Especially with all the celebrity endorsements (they're finally doing something useful).
I will be joining the April 20th night time movements.
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Remember this guys:
Kony will not end up in some trail in Haag or some shit. He will be downright killed, raped and chopped to pieces. In that order.
If you think that is fair for a man like Kony, go ahead and share it. If not, don't. This is probably the first case of a social media muder, and yet so many hippies and leftwings just love this stuff...
DaCaprio had a good line in Blood Diamond: "TIA".
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I totally agree about Americans really deep down not caring, although theyll pledge support. I mean if this guy hadnt gone over there and witnessed this happening firsthand, do you really think he wouldve started this thing? Godbless him for starting it, but I think Americans are just downright spoiled as far as viewing issues around the world and putting them into perspective.
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Funny. Just a few days ago I watched Invisible Children .
Invisible Children (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3166797753930210643)
After watching it I looked up more info on the film and filmmakers. One of the first links I followed had this posted in its comments section,
First of all as a person from Northern Uganda, I would like to thank you, the Martin County Children for your effort to assist the children of Northern Uganda.
How ever i am also sad to say that Organisation like 'Invisible children' have turned from caring organisations to Fraudulent and scam. The directors of Invisible children forgot what they stated back in 2005 and have now turned to greed. Only less than 25% of money they have been raising in the name of the children of Northern Uganda gets there to the children.
The directors of Invisible children have turned this money to become their very personal money. The directors now drive expensive cars and refer to themselves as Movie directors. They have been shunned by all international Northern Uganda associations in Canda, UK, Sweden and even in Sandiego USA.
Associations such as "acholi in diaspora"(canada) Acholi association(UK) Freinds for Peace in africa(USA). Peace in Northern Uganda group(Sweden). "Campaign to end genocide in Northern Uganada)(USA) and many more.
"invisible children' functions are boycotted by many ugandans who are aware that they recieved bribes from General Salim Saleh to focus the suffering of the Northern Uganda Children to the Rebels...rather than tell the whole truth that both the rebels and Uganda government ave comitted atrocities and Genocide againts the acholi people of Northern Uganda..
Northern Uganda members of parliament have added 'invisible children' to their list Of NGO's under investigation for fraud.
They have been requested to publicly declare their accounts since 2005 however untill today that has not been done.
Your contributions are better off being sent directly to the children in Northern Uganda rather than to enrich the directors of 'invisible children'
However we leave it to God to be the judge. Thank you and God bless all of you
There's more to the discussion here, http://www.topix.com/forum/city/stuart-fl/TQJSGHMES035Q6OI0 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/stuart-fl/TQJSGHMES035Q6OI0)
Also, I wonder if they're aware that this image they came up with happens to contain the same symbol that is widely used by Neo Nazi's and white supremacists...
(http://thejustlife.org/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Picture-71.png)
(http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/label/logo/Resistance%20Records_9e26.jpg)
Resistance Records of the bands "Angry Aryans", "Nordic Thunder", "Blue Eyed Devils" and others. Someone actually started a thread about them here.
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I totally agree about Americans really deep down not caring, although theyll pledge support. I mean if this guy hadnt gone over there and witnessed this happening firsthand, do you really think he wouldve started this thing? Godbless him for starting it, but I think Americans are just downright spoiled as far as viewing issues around the world and putting them into perspective.
What is god's holy name are you blathering about?
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Funny. Just a few days ago I watched Invisible Children .
Invisible Children (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3166797753930210643)
After watching it I looked up more info on the film and filmmakers. One of the first links I followed had this posted in its comments section,
First of all as a person from Northern Uganda, I would like to thank you, the Martin County Children for your effort to assist the children of Northern Uganda.
How ever i am also sad to say that Organisation like 'Invisible children' have turned from caring organisations to Fraudulent and scam. The directors of Invisible children forgot what they stated back in 2005 and have now turned to greed. Only less than 25% of money they have been raising in the name of the children of Northern Uganda gets there to the children.
The directors of Invisible children have turned this money to become their very personal money. The directors now drive expensive cars and refer to themselves as Movie directors. They have been shunned by all international Northern Uganda associations in Canda, UK, Sweden and even in Sandiego USA.
Associations such as "acholi in diaspora"(canada) Acholi association(UK) Freinds for Peace in africa(USA). Peace in Northern Uganda group(Sweden). "Campaign to end genocide in Northern Uganada)(USA) and many more.
"invisible children' functions are boycotted by many ugandans who are aware that they recieved bribes from General Salim Saleh to focus the suffering of the Northern Uganda Children to the Rebels...rather than tell the whole truth that both the rebels and Uganda government ave comitted atrocities and Genocide againts the acholi people of Northern Uganda..
Northern Uganda members of parliament have added 'invisible children' to their list Of NGO's under investigation for fraud.
They have been requested to publicly declare their accounts since 2005 however untill today that has not been done.
Your contributions are better off being sent directly to the children in Northern Uganda rather than to enrich the directors of 'invisible children'
However we leave it to God to be the judge. Thank you and God bless all of you
There's more to the discussion here, http://www.topix.com/forum/city/stuart-fl/TQJSGHMES035Q6OI0 (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/stuart-fl/TQJSGHMES035Q6OI0)
Also, I wonder if they're aware that this image they came up with is also the same symbol that's widely used by Neo Nazi's and white supremacists...
(http://thejustlife.org/home/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Picture-71.png)
(http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/label/logo/Resistance%20Records_9e26.jpg)
Resistance Records of "Angry Aryans", "Nordic Thunder", "Blue Eyed Devils" and others. Someone actually started a thread about them here.
Yes, this is why I choose not to take part in any of this.
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Remember this guys:
Kony will not end up in some trail in Haag or some shit. He will be downright killed, raped and chopped to pieces. In that order.
If you think that is fair for a man like Kony, go ahead and share it. If not, don't. This is probably the first case of a social media muder, and yet so many hippies and leftwings just love this stuff...
DaCaprio had a good line in Blood Diamond: "TIA".
Even if that is what would happen to him, which is a big assumption, it's still morally justified in my view given the number of people that Kony and his organization have already killed, raped and chopped to pieces, and will do in the future. This video is definitely a pompous celebration of western slacktivism and "the power of the web", whatever that is, and the directors seem to be dishonest dickheads. The main point, however, is to jolt people out of this bullshit attitude of "oh whatever, shit is fucked up and bullshit, it's Africa man, even if you try to do something about it you're just a gay faggot hippie."
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I totally agree about Americans really deep down not caring, although theyll pledge support. I mean if this guy hadnt gone over there and witnessed this happening firsthand, do you really think he wouldve started this thing? Godbless him for starting it, but I think Americans are just downright spoiled as far as viewing issues around the world and putting them into perspective.
What is god's holy name are you blathering about?
I mean were spoiled when it comes to being safe and take for granted the safety in which we live, for the most part. And i think it takes a firsthand experience or something close to it to make us realize what some other less fortunate people have to live with. I mean what 8-10 year old kids in America have to worry about being snatched up in the middle of the night and maybe slaughtered or turned into a sex slave or whatever.
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Hell yeah it's justifiable. But I have no problem with admitting that I feel that way, yet I do believe that a ton of people who share the video, do. I found this quote on another forum:
This is just some bandwagon bullshit that will be forgotten when the next episode of American Idol pops up. Funny how these same people pimping KONY2012 on facebook were the same ones bitching and moaning about American Imperialism when news of these combat advisors going Uganda cropped up in the first place.
I just feel that it's important to be realistic enough regarding what will happen. A trail isn't that, even though it would be the best end-state.
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http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble (http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble)
What ever happened to Occupy?
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I used to run my local chapter of Amnesty International and we were barred from showing "Invisible Children" for a slew of reasons including their afformentioned financial issues and not "telling the whole story" in the documentary. Additionally, there were allegations that they doctored scenes within the film, which seemed to be AI's biggest concern.
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(http://www.scarlettlion.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/GlennaGordon_InvisibleChildrenA.jpg)
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Remember this guys:
Kony will not end up in some trail in Haag or some shit. He will be downright killed, raped and chopped to pieces. In that order.
If you think that is fair for a man like Kony, go ahead and share it. If not, don't. This is probably the first case of a social media muder, and yet so many hippies and leftwings just love this stuff...
DaCaprio had a good line in Blood Diamond: "TIA".
Even if that is what would happen to him, which is a big assumption, it's still morally justified in my view given the number of people that Kony and his organization have already killed, raped and chopped to pieces, and will do in the future. This video is definitely a pompous celebration of western slacktivism and "the power of the web", whatever that is, and the directors seem to be dishonest dickheads. The main point, however, is to jolt people out of this bullshit attitude of "oh whatever, shit is fucked up and bullshit, it's Africa man, even if you try to do something about it you're just a gay faggot hippie."
But what is it doing? Read Harem's link and tell me what posting shit on Facebook/tumblr/Twitter will actually do that hasn't been done already? INTERPOL and AFRICOM are actively looking for Kony already and numerous countries have taken steps to go against him. Plus, people are trying to support the Uganda army which kidnaps, murders, and rapes people much like the LRA except they are seen as a legitimate government entity. So what is putting it up on some social media site actually doing to help these people or stop this particular fringe group (versus all of the other ones in Africa)? Especially because most people are not actively petitioning their representatives/government. And that's ignoring the fact that those governments are already doing things to stop Kony. So to me, all this seems like a way for most people to feel compassionate and worldly without actually expending to much effort to do something about it..
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These filmmakers are the worst. Some dude used charity money to make a movie about himself and his son and about how he's going to save the world.
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Good job society, looks like you just started spreading the word on what's been happening there for the last couple of decades.
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I heard about the LRA when Obama sent troops there....I think the negative press invisible children is getting may be a bit overblown. That said, I'm not a fan of the filmmaker or his salary.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/invisible-childrens-stop-kony-campaign/2012/03/07/gIQA7B31wR_blog.html?wprss=blogpost (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/invisible-childrens-stop-kony-campaign/2012/03/07/gIQA7B31wR_blog.html?wprss=blogpost)
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not caring > slacktivism
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(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/429025_286025721467704_188296264573984_666563_1297160302_n.jpg)
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Coney?
(http://www.micuisine.com/images/lunapiercook/michigan/nationalconeysauce/nationalconeys_lg.jpg)
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i bought the action kit. as for criticism of invisible children, read this before you decide you're justified in being too lazy or too concerned with how it'll reflect on you if you support the movement without being actively involved. raising awareness via social networking may not be admirable, but it's better than nothing. imagine if everyone had the mindset of "oh, well posting it on the internet is probably not going to do anything so i might as well do nothing." if that were the case, you wouldn't even have seen the fucking video. it's not like this is a new cause, this is like invisible children's 11th film on it. it's just that they never had this much support to where it was able to dominate social media. and then here come the rainclouds to let everyone know that they probably aren't doing anything by spreading the word.
http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html (http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html)
and yeah, they may actually be the shady organization they're made out to be. if that's the case, i still won't regret my decision to support the cause of stopping joseph kony. and you can still support the cause without supporting invisible children. if you just don't give a fuck, that's on you.
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Remember this guys:
Kony will not end up in some trail in Haag or some shit. He will be downright killed, raped and chopped to pieces. In that order.
If you think that is fair for a man like Kony, go ahead and share it. If not, don't. This is probably the first case of a social media muder, and yet so many hippies and leftwings just love this stuff...
DaCaprio had a good line in Blood Diamond: "TIA".
Even if that is what would happen to him, which is a big assumption, it's still morally justified in my view given the number of people that Kony and his organization have already killed, raped and chopped to pieces, and will do in the future. This video is definitely a pompous celebration of western slacktivism and "the power of the web", whatever that is, and the directors seem to be dishonest dickheads. The main point, however, is to jolt people out of this bullshit attitude of "oh whatever, shit is fucked up and bullshit, it's Africa man, even if you try to do something about it you're just a gay faggot hippie."
But what is it doing? Read Harem's link and tell me what posting shit on Facebook/tumblr/Twitter will actually do that hasn't been done already? INTERPOL and AFRICOM are actively looking for Kony already and numerous countries have taken steps to go against him. Plus, people are trying to support the Uganda army which kidnaps, murders, and rapes people much like the LRA except they are seen as a legitimate government entity. So what is putting it up on some social media site actually doing to help these people or stop this particular fringe group (versus all of the other ones in Africa)? Especially because most people are not actively petitioning their representatives/government. And that's ignoring the fact that those governments are already doing things to stop Kony. So to me, all this seems like a way for most people to feel compassionate and worldly without actually expending to much effort to do something about it..
Ya I never said I believed that social networking could actually help root out jungle-dwelling African paramilitary groups. Even donating to the government isn't going to help much because, as you said, governments in war-torn African countries are often just better equipped paramilitary groups with greater international recognition. I just get annoyed by the subtext of all these comments about how "pointless" it all is, which is basically that, because people's responses to it are so superficial, the issue at hand actually doesn't matter or isn't worth worrying or caring about. As far as I'm concerned, more awareness of these issues can only serve to build political will to maybe get western governments to do something to help, maybe.
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I'm glad that awareness is being raised, but I would much rather donate to a group of former SEALS or Israeli military guys who have become mercenaries who would gladly kill this guy for a few million dollars.
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Apparently the U.S. has sent in it's special African commando team in multiple times to try to kill him. It only led to more violence and child abducting antics from Kony.
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I'm glad that awareness is being raised, but I would much rather donate to a group of former SEALS or Israeli military guys who have become mercenaries who would gladly kill this guy for a few million dollars.
yeah and a bunch of his lieutenants
That would be great, but I guess that's not gonna happen, plus then noone would know about it.
I don't care if IC is shady, they raise awareness, and if some people will forget, then thats sad, but a lot will remember.
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http://aconerlycoleman.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/why-invisible-childs-kony2012-campaign-gets-no-applause-from-me/ (http://aconerlycoleman.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/why-invisible-childs-kony2012-campaign-gets-no-applause-from-me/)
http://innovateafrica.tumblr.com/post/18897981642/you-dont-have-my-vote (http://innovateafrica.tumblr.com/post/18897981642/you-dont-have-my-vote)
If you want to help, rather than buying an action pack from IC donate to one of the local charities in the area (there are links in the articles posted above). Support local organisations which don't simplify the problem to one "bad guy" who can only be stopped by white, middle-class college students in the US, and which don't support military intervention.
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i bought the action kit. as for criticism of invisible children, read this before you decide you're justified in being too lazy or too concerned with how it'll reflect on you if you support the movement without being actively involved. raising awareness via social networking may not be admirable, but it's better than nothing. imagine if everyone had the mindset of "oh, well posting it on the internet is probably not going to do anything so i might as well do nothing." if that were the case, you wouldn't even have seen the fucking video. it's not like this is a new cause, this is like invisible children's 11th film on it. it's just that they never had this much support to where it was able to dominate social media. and then here come the rainclouds to let everyone know that they probably aren't doing anything by spreading the word.
http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html (http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html)
and yeah, they may actually be the shady organization they're made out to be. if that's the case, i still won't regret my decision to support the cause of stopping joseph kony. and you can still support the cause without supporting invisible children. if you just don't give a fuck, that's on you.
i'm really glad i wasn't born with your brain
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General Butt Naked.
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I'm glad that awareness is being raised, but I would much rather donate to a group of former SEALS or Israeli military guys who have become mercenaries who would gladly kill this guy for a few million dollars.
yeah and a bunch of his lieutenants
That would be great, but I guess that's not gonna happen, plus then noone would know about it.
I don't care if IC is shady, they raise awareness, and if some people will forget, then thats sad, but a lot will remember.
clearly you guys haven't heard about the deep internet.
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(http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/internet-memes-uganda-be-joking-here.jpg)
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do people actually think that he's the only person in africa doing this kind of stuff? as if killing this guy is going to change africa over night?
"So, Peter Pan can gather a child army and that's fine. But when a black man does it..."
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i bought the action kit. as for criticism of invisible children, read this before you decide you're justified in being too lazy or too concerned with how it'll reflect on you if you support the movement without being actively involved. raising awareness via social networking may not be admirable, but it's better than nothing. imagine if everyone had the mindset of "oh, well posting it on the internet is probably not going to do anything so i might as well do nothing." if that were the case, you wouldn't even have seen the fucking video. it's not like this is a new cause, this is like invisible children's 11th film on it. it's just that they never had this much support to where it was able to dominate social media. and then here come the rainclouds to let everyone know that they probably aren't doing anything by spreading the word.
http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html (http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html)
and yeah, they may actually be the shady organization they're made out to be. if that's the case, i still won't regret my decision to support the cause of stopping joseph kony. and you can still support the cause without supporting invisible children. if you just don't give a fuck, that's on you.
now that your "awareness" has been raised by giving these hucksters your money would you mind pointing out where uganda is on this map?
(http://www.uflib.ufl.edu/maps/MAPAFRICA054illusS.gif)
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(http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/internet-memes-uganda-be-joking-here.jpg)
Don't have much to say aside from that the "white man's burden" has often been used as a purpose for imperialism, which likely is the original cause of the instability that allowed this guy to rise to power....and is that a fucking supreme hat?
I supported this at first because I thought the guy was on the lam and this was an attempt to make sure he couldn't hide in plain sight, now that I realize what it s I think its kinda dumb.
Though in fairness, the red cross only gave something like 10-20% of donations to the haiti relief effort to Haitians.
Its stupid to hate on people who support the campaign, better to just talk it through and encourage them to be empathetic human beings, but to do it with better projects.
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I was close...I picked Rwanda from the map.
do people actually think that he's the only person in africa doing this kind of stuff? as if killing this guy is going to change africa over night?
"So, Peter Pan can gather a child army and that's fine. But when a black man does it..."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Its stupid to hate on people who support the campaign, better to just talk it through and encourage them to be empathetic human beings, but to do it with better projects.
This.
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people need to realize kony's been in the news for a long time now. just not in a flashy youtube video, playing heavy on your emotions. there's a lot of bad shit like that going on in the world, read more news (tmz is not news).
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http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhEk16p80re9j8X31h (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhEk16p80re9j8X31h)
is it possible the government is just player hating?
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Fuck armchair activists
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^Hahaha.. Golden!
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I'm glad that awareness is being raised, but I would much rather donate to a group of former SEALS or Israeli military guys who have become mercenaries who would gladly kill this guy for a few million dollars.
yeah and a bunch of his lieutenants
That would be great, but I guess that's not gonna happen, plus then noone would know about it.
I don't care if IC is shady, they raise awareness, and if some people will forget, then thats sad, but a lot will remember.
clearly you guys haven't heard about the deep internet.
Just give black water your money
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Fuck the gathering, let's send jimi in to uganda
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Fuck the gathering, let's send jimi in to uganda
My vote goes with ice nine.
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Hey, don't you dare start shifting our focus. Our priority here is Juggalos. We need Jimi to record and report on important shit, not this.
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"i've been to mexico,canada and the other states "
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"i've been to mexico,canada and the other states "
Haha I heard that too.
They have a pretty decent rebuttal to the haters:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html (http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html)
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http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/solving-war-crimes-with-wristbands-the-arrogance-of-kony-2012/254193/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/solving-war-crimes-with-wristbands-the-arrogance-of-kony-2012/254193/)
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(http://i1261.photobucket.com/albums/ii589/BrianWilson724/sonykony.jpg)
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(http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/internet-memes-uganda-be-joking-here.jpg)
hahahaha.
i just made this:
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0lty78uBl1qe4fcyo1_500.jpg)
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since Kony is actually a thang to talk about now i gotta say this.
why do we not give a fuck about all the other hundreds of independent militarized groups in central africa?
Where do you think these groups get weapons from?
where do you think they get money to get weapons?
its a global economic system where the US and Europe trade 1 weapons and 2 shit we dont want to independent military groups in exchange for resources which we use to make junk which we dont want.
we can stop KONY and every single madman with a gun in africa if we stop making bullets and start building infrastructure
the aid industry and the american government will never tell us this because it is directly against their immediate interest
which is to continue to sell guns and give aid to support the economic system so that we can make playstations and laptops
in reality aid groups do not give aid.
the militarized groups steal from the people and destroy their livelyhood
this makes them dependant on aid for food etc. they then are either forced to gather resources by military groups or they do so out of desperation
the aid industry is a distraction so that we dont feel bad about not doing what needs to be done.
the military groups are the same as when colonialism "ended"
nothing has changed, africa is still ruled and exploited by whites.
aid is just a part of the system of exploitation and will never fix anything for that very reason
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I thought this was pretty interesting. I'm sure 90% of the supporters don't really know what percentage of donation money is used on aid.
(reddit link)
http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/qkxvm/kony_2012/c3yfvii (http://www.reddit.com/r/TrueReddit/comments/qkxvm/kony_2012/c3yfvii)
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i bought the action kit. as for criticism of invisible children, read this before you decide you're justified in being too lazy or too concerned with how it'll reflect on you if you support the movement without being actively involved. raising awareness via social networking may not be admirable, but it's better than nothing. imagine if everyone had the mindset of "oh, well posting it on the internet is probably not going to do anything so i might as well do nothing." if that were the case, you wouldn't even have seen the fucking video. it's not like this is a new cause, this is like invisible children's 11th film on it. it's just that they never had this much support to where it was able to dominate social media. and then here come the rainclouds to let everyone know that they probably aren't doing anything by spreading the word.
http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html (http://www.invisiblechildren.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/critiques.html)
and yeah, they may actually be the shady organization they're made out to be. if that's the case, i still won't regret my decision to support the cause of stopping joseph kony. and you can still support the cause without supporting invisible children. if you just don't give a fuck, that's on you.
now that your "awareness" has been raised by giving these hucksters your money would you mind pointing out where uganda is on this map?
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haha man, you're genuinely regular for thinking you got me with that one. did you think that because i can afford to donate $30 that i have the money to pilot my own airplane to uganda to help out there? i can't think of any other reason why my geography skills would be called into question. i can't care about a tragedy without knowing the exact place when knowing where it takes place will do absolutely nothing to help the cause?
sorry for not subscribing to the nirvana fallacy homies. i understand not supporting invisible children, but i would bet my life that the majority, if not all, of you who are hating on invisible children haven't donated a cent to the organizations that give their donations directly to relief in stopping the lra. so if you don't care enough to try to help anyway, why the fuck would you feel the need to offer your two cents? i should've expected this from a site filled with people commenting on skating from a computer more than they actually skate. not gonna lie though, on impulse i bought the kit, and i definitely regret not doing the research because i would've preferred to have supported an organization that provided more direct relief. but still, having already bought it, i don't feel like i wasted my money.
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haha man, you're genuinely regular for thinking you got me with that one. did you think that because i can afford to donate $30 that i have the money to pilot my own airplane to uganda to help out there? i can't think of any other reason why my geography skills would be called into question. i can't care about a tragedy without knowing the exact place when knowing where it takes place will do absolutely nothing to help the cause?
sorry for not subscribing to the nirvana fallacy homies. i understand not supporting invisible children, but i would bet my life that the majority, if not all, of you who are hating on invisible children haven't donated a cent to the organizations that give their donations directly to relief in stopping the lra. so if you don't care enough to try to help anyway, why the fuck would you feel the need to offer your two cents? i should've expected this from a site filled with people commenting on skating from a computer more than they actually skate. not gonna lie though, on impulse i bought the kit, and i definitely regret not doing the research because i would've preferred to have supported an organization that provided more direct relief. but still, having already bought it, i don't feel like i wasted my money.
dude i just saw on facebook about this nigerian prince who needs OUR help to transfer some frozen funds. of course i gave him $30 because nigeria is super fucked up and sad. some people think americans are privileged retards who would rather blindly give a donation for the smug sense of pride it gives us (and hey a tshirt!) than actually learn about a distant conflict, or even research just a little bit where the fuck our money goes. boy, did i prove them wrong. so what if i can't find nigeria on a map? are you saying i don't actually care about africa? #NIGERIANGUY2012
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since Kony is actually a thang to talk about now i gotta say this.
why do we not give a fuck about all the other hundreds of independent militarized groups in central africa?
Where do you think these groups get weapons from?
where do you think they get money to get weapons?
its a global economic system where the US and Europe trade 1 weapons and 2 shit we dont want to independent military groups in exchange for resources which we use to make junk which we dont want.
we can stop KONY and every single madman with a gun in africa if we stop making bullets and start building infrastructure
the aid industry and the american government will never tell us this because it is directly against their immediate interest
which is to continue to sell guns and give aid to support the economic system so that we can make playstations and laptops
in reality aid groups do not give aid.
the militarized groups steal from the people and destroy their livelyhood
this makes them dependant on aid for food etc. they then are either forced to gather resources by military groups or they do so out of desperation
the aid industry is a distraction so that we dont feel bad about not doing what needs to be done.
the military groups are the same as when colonialism "ended"
nothing has changed, africa is still ruled and exploited by whites.
aid is just a part of the system of exploitation and will never fix anything for that very reason
yes yes yes yes yes. I completely back what you are saying here. I think this campaign is actually cool in a way because it starts the conversation about the effects of American consumption and imperialism, and perhaps has introduced more people to the issues relating to it
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yes yes yes yes yes. I completely back what you are saying here. I think this campaign is actually cool in a way because it starts the conversation about the effects of American consumption and imperialism, and perhaps has introduced more people to the issues relating to it
Yeah, but almost no one is talking about that (at least no one I know). People just mention that there are other groups doing this stuff, but seem to ignore that first-world countries helped get Africa in the state it is currently in.
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so say something! The conversation has been started for you.
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i have a difficult time "buying into" campaigns that push for saving anyone for many reasons, one of which questioning the motives of those who have created such a campaign. Altruism isn't often pure. However, organizations such as this are important because like Gip said they provide the basis for which people can begin to question themselves, their habits, and what they are capable of doing with and to the world at large. Mindfulness and compassion go a long way but these are traits that have to be learned. Trying to validate the experience in which one learns is fruitless in the bigger picture.
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all dickin aside, i really have trouble watching an entire documentary when the narrator has a smug, douchey voice. god, can't stand that shit.
a big concern i have here is why is the U.S. always expected to solve the world's problems? everyone hates us because we try to police the world, but we're the first one other countries call to in need of help. why isn't Europe or Canada or someone else expected to the save the planet? is it white guilt or something?
another thing about this cool and funky doc with the upside-down triangle logos and hip-bracelets: this entire campaign is rallying up attention to do what? the only likely solution is killing him, right? as i was watching this i started getting confused as to what this financial aid is actually doing. is the funding to help aid Uganda or to help kill this guy? and then what? isn't Africa littered with hundreds of fuckwads just like him? can evil ever be killed? (whoa, i'm getting deep and philosophical here)
I'm glad that awareness is being raised, but I would much rather donate to a group of former SEALS or Israeli military guys who have become mercenaries who would gladly kill this guy for a few million dollars.
same exact thought that ran through my head when i watched the movie.
oh, and great fucking post, Shmeatus.
+1 for you.
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There's only one man who can stop Kony:
(http://www.omega-level.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/eko.jpg)
Oh wait, the smoke monster killed him.... Yeah, we're fucked...
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Are you guys regular? Killing Kony to stop what is going on there would do nothing. We have been saying it over and over. A poster earlier correctly pointed out that Kony is far from the only warlord in Africa. What we need to do is stop going in and trading warlords like him weapons for resources. Also, Joseph Kony obviously came into contact with missionaries, as hs entire "kill 'em all" mission is to spread the word of Christ. Extremist missionaries in Africa are also to blame.
The only way to actually do something is to consume less, oppose expansionist U.S. policy, and fight unfair debts that are being forced onto "3rd world" countries and keep them in desperate poverty. Killing Kony won't do a fucking thing.
Check it out, how would killing Kony stop this: http://www.truth-out.org/kazakhstan-massacre-killing-hope-benefit-us-geopolitical-interests/1331142602 (http://www.truth-out.org/kazakhstan-massacre-killing-hope-benefit-us-geopolitical-interests/1331142602)
Simple facts, we make this sort of thing happen every day indirectly.
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Gipper, you always have such smart/insightful posts. Not even being sarcastic.
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Gipper, you always have such smart/insightful posts. Not even being sarcastic.
even when i don't agree with gipper i enjoy reading his arguments. way too blown to read that link though so i'll come back later and try to sort through this stuff. damn it.
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Are you guys regular? Killing Kony to stop what is going on there would do nothing. We have been saying it over and over. A poster earlier correctly pointed out that Kony is far from the only warlord in Africa. What we need to do is stop going in and trading warlords like him weapons for resources. Also, Joseph Kony obviously came into contact with missionaries, as hs entire "kill 'em all" mission is to spread the word of Christ. Extremist missionaries in Africa are also to blame.
The only way to actually do something is to consume less, oppose expansionist U.S. policy, and fight unfair debts that are being forced onto "3rd world" countries and keep them in desperate poverty. Killing Kony won't do a fucking thing.
Check it out, how would killing Kony stop this: http://www.truth-out.org/kazakhstan-massacre-killing-hope-benefit-us-geopolitical-interests/1331142602 (http://www.truth-out.org/kazakhstan-massacre-killing-hope-benefit-us-geopolitical-interests/1331142602)
Simple facts, we make this sort of thing happen every day indirectly.
true dat. many dont even realize that consumerism perpetuates slavery. chocolate, computer chips, and mining of most minerals would not be possible without slavery, unless the system was drastically reformatted.
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So I checked my facebook a few days a go and say everyone posting about this and checked it out. I was more focused on the Russell dude who made the film rather than the issue it self, which immediately turned me off from it. What I overall think of the doc is it seems like a big trendy bandwagon.. people who never gave two shits about social/political issues are now ranting about this KONY 2012 bandwagon.
KONY 2012 - Ugandan Viewpoint (Please watch!) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wivZBVzhfyQ#ws)
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you guys don't know an advertisement when you see one.
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Are you guys regular? Killing Kony to stop what is going on there would do nothing. We have been saying it over and over. A poster earlier correctly pointed out that Kony is far from the only warlord in Africa. What we need to do is stop going in and trading warlords like him weapons for resources. Also, Joseph Kony obviously came into contact with missionaries, as hs entire "kill 'em all" mission is to spread the word of Christ. Extremist missionaries in Africa are also to blame.
The only way to actually do something is to consume less, oppose expansionist U.S. policy, and fight unfair debts that are being forced onto "3rd world" countries and keep them in desperate poverty. Killing Kony won't do a fucking thing.
Check it out, how would killing Kony stop this: http://www.truth-out.org/kazakhstan-massacre-killing-hope-benefit-us-geopolitical-interests/1331142602 (http://www.truth-out.org/kazakhstan-massacre-killing-hope-benefit-us-geopolitical-interests/1331142602)
Simple facts, we make this sort of thing happen every day indirectly.
It's really true. I've talked to many people with anti-imperialist attitudes who spit a great game, but are all about buying the hottest newest shit, people really miss how the two relate.
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Are you guys regular? Killing Kony to stop what is going on there would do nothing. We have been saying it over and over. A poster earlier correctly pointed out that Kony is far from the only warlord in Africa. What we need to do is stop going in and trading warlords like him weapons for resources. Also, Joseph Kony obviously came into contact with missionaries, as hs entire "kill 'em all" mission is to spread the word of Christ. Extremist missionaries in Africa are also to blame.
The only way to actually do something is to consume less, oppose expansionist U.S. policy, and fight unfair debts that are being forced onto "3rd world" countries and keep them in desperate poverty. Killing Kony won't do a fucking thing.
Check it out, how would killing Kony stop this: http://www.truth-out.org/kazakhstan-massacre-killing-hope-benefit-us-geopolitical-interests/1331142602 (http://www.truth-out.org/kazakhstan-massacre-killing-hope-benefit-us-geopolitical-interests/1331142602)
Simple facts, we make this sort of thing happen every day indirectly.
I see what your saying, but consuming less will draw out the depression and put deflationary pressures on the economy. It's a lack of consumer spending and deleveraging that's dragging out the recovery process. A lot of this unemployment we are experiencing is due to under consumption in the labor market for example. That's why the actions of Obama and Bernake are designed to boost consumption, not slow it down.
This is what I don't understand about liberals - and maybe somebody could help me out with this - the economic plan currently advocated by moderate liberals is increased government spending along with an inflationary monetary policy which will encourage the private sector to consume more. The economic plan advocated by conservatives is to balance the budget and adopt a hard money stance, which will likely send us back into recession a la Hoover, and force everyone to consume less. If liberals dislike consumption, why do they support consumerist policies like infrastructural spending?
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There are healthy economies that are more liberal than ours also consume less. Its not really a case like you pose it.
The goal of Keynesian economics isn't simply to increase consumption, it is to increase demand by giving people the ability to cover needs and buy things they would buy, but can't, which is what ruins economies. Food stamps aren't so you can import zebra steaks (if such a thing were to exist), but putting money into the economy that can be spent on food helps the economy move. The strength of an economy is based on its ability to meet the needs of consumer, during crashes, extra aid is often needed to do that, and on top of that if human needs reduced, so would the necessity of a large economy, but that's not how we live now.
However, you also need to realize that liberal economic plans are not based on unfettered economic growth at any cost, even the most centrist democrat believes in basic economic regulations that stifle business growth for, at a minimum, a perceived benefit for society.
Conservative economic policy is based on boom-bust type economic movement. They let things go, when people start coming up with crazy and sketchy ways to milk markets, they let it go, and you get booms, when it comes back to bite them in the ass, you get busts, and their policies encourage both.
The gold standard is regular for countless reasons, in the end, you are still basing your currency on faith, whether it being in the stability of the government or the belief that others will universally accept gold in trade at a stable value. Inflation relative to growth makes sense, though it is a touchy and difficult subject.
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There's only one man who can stop Kony:
(http://www.omega-level.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/eko.jpg)
Oh wait, the smoke monster killed him.... Yeah, we're fucked...
he killed it in 'Oz' too, should have been SOTY
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i think this kind of empty, fashionable activism (ie, not activism but "raising awareness") is becoming the norm
saw this today and it reminded me of the KONY video
this one almost seems like a parody of hipster social consciousness
One Day Without Shoes 2012 Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4VN34iCi2Q&feature=relmfu#ws)
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So large groups of people, who are often middle-class and wealthier, are going a single day of their choosing, without shoes, in a warm and comfortable climate? That's adorable! These kids are so neat these days!
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i think this kind of empty, fashionable activism (ie, not activism but "raising awareness") is becoming the norm
saw this today and it reminded me of the KONY video
this one almost seems like a parody of hipster social consciousness
One Day Without Shoes 2012 Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4VN34iCi2Q&feature=relmfu#ws)
F U C K T A R D S
Shit like this makes me wish doomsday prophecies were real. This armchair activist shit is out of hand, the worst thing is other people approve of this lazy ass method and use it as a conversation piece to sound "authentically compassionate and/or cool" it's just another self indulgent thing to add to the list of the ever expanding self indulgent American. I say fuck'em. Wanna get involved find real causes and charities that are action oriented, you know, like the one's who can't get the budget to make a new aged disney-ized video simplifying a conflict with many sides and with many fingers within many pies. Or Volunteer directly be it local or aboard to an array of causes aiming to help other humans.
As far as the Kony shit, blah blah. It's a no brain-er regarding how fucked areas of Africa have been for decades, usually by a very diligent and swaying foreign hand to help push these lil' tyke warloads on their first bike ride of devastation through a usually poor and mineral rich landscape. Sack and pillage straight up.
Shit, if you guys wanna get rich head down to South American lithium mines and hire a small crew of guys to blast tunnels for you for little to no pay, and you can bring it back to dickheads who will consume/flip/profit/etc. Exploitation has always been the name of the game. Those who don't acknowledge this as a simple fact, might as well put a quarter in their ass, cause they done played themselves.
I don't condone it or approve, but it's the nature of things, unfortunately. Hopefully there can be a greater consciousness out of the years to come that this may be a thing of the past, doubtful (even in our lifetimes, as well others), but it's a nice thought.
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i think this kind of empty, fashionable activism (ie, not activism but "raising awareness") is becoming the norm
saw this today and it reminded me of the KONY video
this one almost seems like a parody of hipster social consciousness
One Day Without Shoes 2012 Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4VN34iCi2Q&feature=relmfu#ws)
vov droping serious lifestyle hammers
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Remember when people would get bummed on something so they'd join Greenpeace or some other organization and go to a location to help build schools or whatever? Crazy idea....
No way kids of today would go anywhere they are told wouldn't get service to their iPhone. I'm amazed how many made it through a 30 min video (if they really did).
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nah volunteer tourism is way more popular than ever actually. plus you have an iphone!
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nah volunteer tourism is way more popular than ever actually. plus you have an iphone!
Its true. Lots of kids went down to Nola and Haiti when shit went down.
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Screening of Kony 2012 in Uganda.
http://blogs.aljazeera.com/africa/2012/03/14/ugandans-react-anger-kony-video (http://blogs.aljazeera.com/africa/2012/03/14/ugandans-react-anger-kony-video)
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what the fuck?
http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/16/kony-honcho-arrested-for-allegedly-masturbating-in-public/ (http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/16/kony-honcho-arrested-for-allegedly-masturbating-in-public/)
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i guess he wanted to free his "invisible children"
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Why'd the other thread get locked down? Wanted to hear more about the finances and things of that nature. I guess we could put it in here, but still, why?
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The dude seems to have lost his mind with the pressure. Kinda tragic.
As far as the finances thing goes, the last claim in the other thread is dead wrong. If a charitable organization is able to give 90% of proceeds directly to the cause then they are running an amazing operation. Their donation number was low, but not as low as some make it out to be comparatively. I remember during the haiti crisis a lot of criticism was out there because the red cross was doing that text to donate thing and it turned out to be only like 10 or 20% of it actually going to the haiti crisis itself.
The better a charity does, the more it can afford to give to the cause. The problem with IC is their imperialist and seemingly misdirected solutions that they offer. The % going directly to the cause makes them weak, but not like evil or anything.
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what the fuck?
http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/16/kony-honcho-arrested-for-allegedly-masturbating-in-public/ (http://www.tmz.com/2012/03/16/kony-honcho-arrested-for-allegedly-masturbating-in-public/)
I'm not familiar with that technique...
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!
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The dude seems to have lost his mind with the pressure. Kinda tragic.
As far as the finances thing goes, the last claim in the other thread is dead wrong. If a charitable organization is able to give 90% of proceeds directly to the cause then they are running an amazing operation. Their donation number was low, but not as low as some make it out to be comparatively. I remember during the haiti crisis a lot of criticism was out there because the red cross was doing that text to donate thing and it turned out to be only like 10 or 20% of it actually going to the haiti crisis itself.
The better a charity does, the more it can afford to give to the cause. The problem with IC is their imperialist and seemingly misdirected solutions that they offer. The % going directly to the cause makes them weak, but not like evil or anything.
I have been told by multiple people that work in the field that 90% programming, 3% fundraising and 7% salaries is the ideal ratio to strive for. Not that all quality non-profits function on that level. The non-profit I intern for is just shy of this ratio. I guess it is hearsay so I could be wrong.
Sleepypancakes - Too tired (and tipsy) to look for their financials right now but I remember they were significantly deficient from these numbers. Their argument they released in defense of their financials was basically saying their ratios were not bad (as most have no context of what would be good numbers) and that the high cost of making their films is basically part of their programming (The value of this work is of course debatable [efficacy of 'slactivism', paternalistic attitudes, etc, etc]).
This and some of the other issues with the organization are mentioned throughout this thread and sources can be easily tracked down through a few google searches.
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With regard to ^^^, one of the worse things they do is give some of their money in support of the Ugandan National Army, which some reports say is not much better than the LRA. It just has government backing.
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The dude seems to have lost his mind with the pressure. Kinda tragic.
I'm pretty sure that there's some PCP involved.
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another take on it
http://www.vice.com/read/kony-baloney (http://www.vice.com/read/kony-baloney)
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The dude seems to have lost his mind with the pressure. Kinda tragic.
As far as the finances thing goes, the last claim in the other thread is dead wrong. If a charitable organization is able to give 90% of proceeds directly to the cause then they are running an amazing operation. Their donation number was low, but not as low as some make it out to be comparatively. I remember during the haiti crisis a lot of criticism was out there because the red cross was doing that text to donate thing and it turned out to be only like 10 or 20% of it actually going to the haiti crisis itself.
The better a charity does, the more it can afford to give to the cause. The problem with IC is their imperialist and seemingly misdirected solutions that they offer. The % going directly to the cause makes them weak, but not like evil or anything.
Sleepypancakes - Too tired (and tipsy) to look for their financials right now but I remember they were significantly deficient from these numbers. Their argument they released in defense of their financials was basically saying their ratios were not bad (as most have no context of what would be good numbers) and that the high cost of making their films is basically part of their programming (The value of this work is of course debatable [efficacy of 'slactivism', paternalistic attitudes, etc, etc]).
This and some of the other issues with the organization are mentioned throughout this thread and sources can be easily tracked down through a few google searches.
Their claim is that the videos are advocacy, which I suppose they are. You have to give them some credit in actually making Joseph Kony become part of the national conversation. Hell, the problems with their campaign have probably kept it there. Again, the problem is what they are advocating for (not even what they are advocating against).
Maybe 90% going to programs is ideal, but again, you'd have to run an amazingly productive charity. Based on your percentages let's look at how that would be in hard numbers. Let's say you are a small charity, and only 2 people work there for the small salary of about $35K a year. Those two people would have to raise about a million dollars to go directly to the charity a year without any other help or support staff. That means no accountants, secretaries, or other roles that often are necessary for a basic small organization. That's a pretty intense amount of fund raising for just two people. Of course, that doesn't count renting an office, and other expenses to keep things running. If you can grow your organization to a huge scale, economies of scale will make things more efficient, but it takes a lot of work to get to such an efficient rate. I'm not saying their numbers are good, but I don't think you have to have 90% going directly to the cause for a charity to be worth donating to.
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Their claim is that the videos are advocacy, which I suppose they are. You have to give them some credit in actually making Joseph Kony become part of the national conversation. Hell, the problems with their campaign have probably kept it there. Again, the problem is what they are advocating for (not even what they are advocating against).
Maybe 90% going to programs is ideal, but again, you'd have to run an amazingly productive charity. Based on your percentages let's look at how that would be in hard numbers. Let's say you are a small charity, and only 2 people work there for the small salary of about $35K a year. Those two people would have to raise about a million dollars to go directly to the charity a year without any other help or support staff. That means no accountants, secretaries, or other roles that often are necessary for a basic small organization. That's a pretty intense amount of fund raising for just two people. Of course, that doesn't count renting an office, and other expenses to keep things running. If you can grow your organization to a huge scale, economies of scale will make things more efficient, but it takes a lot of work to get to such an efficient rate. I'm not saying their numbers are good, but I don't think you have to have 90% going directly to the cause for a charity to be worth donating to.
i think this a problem with any charitable organization whose main goal is to "raise awareness." it's always a good thing to educate people about a problem but if that's where your charity ends than you're doing something wrong. making people aware of a problem should be the first step in your program, not the only step. otherwise you're just selling tshirts to smug douchebags and not actually doing anything to help the people who's awful lives are keeping the pity money train rolling.
the real problem i have with invisible children and organizations like them is that they twist reality to make a narrative that will maximize donations. this is doubly worse when you consider that they think their main mission is educating the public about the problems in uganda. joseph kony is obviously a bad dude but even if he was magically eliminated the systems of unfair trade agreements, post-cold war weapon dumping, and crippling debt that have wrecked africa and allowed a man like kony to exist would still be in place. by focusing on a boogey man you make it easier to condense a world wide and systemic problem into an easily consumable narrative (one that convienantly eliminates the US and the West's involvement in practices that make people like kony possible). either way you certainly aren't "raising awareness" in any real sense and are probably doing damage to your cause.
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You have a valid point. But this one has lead to the appropriate conversation coming to the surface a lot despite their framing. Again, I'm not defending them, I'm just saying 90% directly to the cause would be a pretty amazing feat. 20 something percent still isn't, but I think the average is somewhere in the high 30s to 40s. I think I even pointed out that they are putting money in the wrong places and claiming the wrong roots of the problem, but I've been able to have some great conversations with kids who come to me asking what I know about this Kony thing thanks to that video.
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Gip - Your points are valid but I am not just pulling this out of my ass. I did a google search that did not contain the number 90 and found this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0)
I know that is the least trustworthy source possible. Again, just want to prove I am not making this up.
The organization I intern for is actually doing better than the financial ratio I mentioned:
92% programs
3% fundraising
5% admin
http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information (http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information) (there is an easy to read graph at the bottom of the page)
But as you stated, they are a large organization so it is much easier to do so for them.
Edit: And again, I said it was the ideal. Not that you shouldn't donate to an organization that doesn't reach these financial goals. I couldn't really find a legit source that agrees with me. I concede to you but still assert that I am not just making this up!
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there's footy
Jason Russell nude 'meltdown' on streets TMZ Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsctWnKMxns#ws)
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there's footy
Jason Russell nude 'meltdown' on streets TMZ Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsctWnKMxns#ws)
Stackin clips
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there's footy
Jason Russell nude 'meltdown' on streets TMZ Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsctWnKMxns#ws)
I really want to see him videotape himself explaining this to his kid.
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Gip - Your points are valid but I am not just pulling this out of my ass. I did a google search that did not contain the number 90 and found this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0)
I know that is the least trustworthy source possible. Again, just want to prove I am not making this up.
The organization I intern for is actually doing better than the financial ratio I mentioned:
92% programs
3% fundraising
5% admin
http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information (http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information) (there is an easy to read graph at the bottom of the page)
But as you stated, they are a large organization so it is much easier to do so for them.
Edit: And again, I said it was the ideal. Not that you shouldn't donate to an organization that doesn't reach these financial goals. I couldn't really find a legit source that agrees with me. I concede to you but still assert that I am not just making this up!
I'm not saying it can't happen, but its really amazing if it does. Its great that you work for an organization that does so well. Assuming you aren't working for a non-profit that has reenacting dead baby jokes as its mission, that's rad that you are a part of it.
I checked out charitynavigator.org and I think some of it also has to do with what the overhead actually is in general. The top organizations are almost all food banks. Those have a pretty low overhead. You put out some bins at the right places, sponsor drives, and keep the place running and that is pretty much the brunt of the costs. I would guess a group that has international missions and actions would have higher overhead. I'm sure there are organizations that put their money to better places and are more effective at putting money toward the same goal than IC though still.
Completely unrelated rant not aimed at any poster:
I guess I kinda feel bad about this guy's meltdown. It seems like if you try to be an active person in our current society you are dragged through the muck. Honestly, it goes with any activism. Whether its the tea party on the right or occupy movement on the left, if you are an average person and get involved in political issues today you are the subject of insults and epithets that aren't even related to the issue a lot of the time, and often are put under more scrutiny than the people they are protesting, its fucked up. Again, not saying his work is perfect, but society would be better served if guys like Joseph Kony or these big corporations could be under that scrutiny instead. Don't agree with this guy's solution? Fine, let's talk about other solutions, don't turn the issue into whether the people who made the documentary did a good job or are good people, turn it into a discussion about the fact that there are a lot of problems that we aren't facing up to in Africa. Our society is better served with an active populace, the elites are better served with the repression of activism instead of the opening of conversation around it. I feel like its a shame this conversation, which started about how we deal with the Kony's of the world and how we don't turned into a circus around this dude.
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(http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/internet-memes-no-difference.jpg)
also, that dude kinda looks like tom cruise, as in "complete lunatic".
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Why did he do this? Was he on drugs or something?
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Why did he do this? Was he on drugs or something?
He had a shame summon by being a evangelical type, lost his shit, and in a sense became a PCP superhero through blowing/fucking his own mind. PCP acting, maybe not taking. But his outburst is some grown man turned toddler. So who really cares, if he can care about kids who don't affect his bottom line whilst exploiting a cause without foresight he became a product of ramifications from being a douche ass fuckwit.
Way to bury the legitimacy of a "cause", return those boxes doofs.
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there's footy
Jason Russell nude 'meltdown' on streets TMZ Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsctWnKMxns#ws)
http://www.therundown.tv/videos/wtf-files/drugs-are-bad-naked-guy-goes-crazy-in-the-streets-of-nyc/ (http://www.therundown.tv/videos/wtf-files/drugs-are-bad-naked-guy-goes-crazy-in-the-streets-of-nyc/)
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Gip - Your points are valid but I am not just pulling this out of my ass. I did a google search that did not contain the number 90 and found this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0)
I know that is the least trustworthy source possible. Again, just want to prove I am not making this up.
The organization I intern for is actually doing better than the financial ratio I mentioned:
92% programs
3% fundraising
5% admin
http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information (http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information) (there is an easy to read graph at the bottom of the page)
But as you stated, they are a large organization so it is much easier to do so for them.
Edit: And again, I said it was the ideal. Not that you shouldn't donate to an organization that doesn't reach these financial goals.� I couldn't really find a legit source that agrees with me. I concede to you but still assert that I am not just making this up!
I checked out charitynavigator.org and I think some of it also has to do with what the overhead actually is in general. The top organizations are almost all food banks. Those have a pretty low overhead. You put out some bins at the right places, sponsor drives, and keep the place running and that is pretty much the brunt of the costs. I would guess a group that has international missions and actions would have higher overhead. I'm sure there are organizations that put their money to better places and are more effective at putting money toward the same goal than IC though still.
Completely unrelated rant not aimed at any poster:
I guess I kinda feel bad about this guy's meltdown. It seems like if you try to be an active person in our current society you are dragged through the muck. Honestly, it goes with any activism. Whether its the tea party on the right or occupy movement on the left, if you are an average person and get involved in political issues today you are the subject of insults and epithets that aren't even related to the issue a lot of the time, and often are put under more scrutiny than the people they are protesting, its fucked up. Again, not saying his work is perfect, but society would be better served if guys like Joseph Kony or� these big corporations could be under that scrutiny instead. Don't agree with this guy's solution? Fine, let's talk about other solutions, don't turn the issue into whether the people who made the documentary did a good job or are good people, turn it into a discussion about the fact that there are a lot of problems that we aren't facing up to in Africa. Our society is better served with an active populace, the elites are better served with the repression of activism instead of the opening of conversation around it. I feel like its a shame this conversation, which started about how we deal with the Kony's of the world and how we don't turned into a circus around this dude.
um... people pay other people/influence to diminish and suppress ideas infinitely.
not disregarding your points at all, the are good ones. are you a transplant to CA out of curiosity?
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Gip - Your points are valid but I am not just pulling this out of my ass. I did a google search that did not contain the number 90 and found this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0)
I know that is the least trustworthy source possible. Again, just want to prove I am not making this up.
The organization I intern for is actually doing better than the financial ratio I mentioned:
92% programs
3% fundraising
5% admin
http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information (http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information) (there is an easy to read graph at the bottom of the page)
But as you stated, they are a large organization so it is much easier to do so for them.
Edit: And again, I said it was the ideal. Not that you shouldn't donate to an organization that doesn't reach these financial goals.� I couldn't really find a legit source that agrees with me. I concede to you but still assert that I am not just making this up!
I checked out charitynavigator.org and I think some of it also has to do with what the overhead actually is in general. The top organizations are almost all food banks. Those have a pretty low overhead. You put out some bins at the right places, sponsor drives, and keep the place running and that is pretty much the brunt of the costs. I would guess a group that has international missions and actions would have higher overhead. I'm sure there are organizations that put their money to better places and are more effective at putting money toward the same goal than IC though still.
Completely unrelated rant not aimed at any poster:
I guess I kinda feel bad about this guy's meltdown. It seems like if you try to be an active person in our current society you are dragged through the muck. Honestly, it goes with any activism. Whether its the tea party on the right or occupy movement on the left, if you are an average person and get involved in political issues today you are the subject of insults and epithets that aren't even related to the issue a lot of the time, and often are put under more scrutiny than the people they are protesting, its fucked up. Again, not saying his work is perfect, but society would be better served if guys like Joseph Kony or� these big corporations could be under that scrutiny instead. Don't agree with this guy's solution? Fine, let's talk about other solutions, don't turn the issue into whether the people who made the documentary did a good job or are good people, turn it into a discussion about the fact that there are a lot of problems that we aren't facing up to in Africa. Our society is better served with an active populace, the elites are better served with the repression of activism instead of the opening of conversation around it. I feel like its a shame this conversation, which started about how we deal with the Kony's of the world and how we don't turned into a circus around this dude.
um... people pay other people/influence to diminish and suppress ideas infinitely.
not disregarding your points at all, the are good ones. are you a transplant to CA out of curiosity?
I know, and that's total bullshit.
Yeah, I'm a CA transplant. Went to college and grad school out here.
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Gip - Your points are valid but I am not just pulling this out of my ass. I did a google search that did not contain the number 90 and found this:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0 (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090322195530AAkD8t0)
I know that is the least trustworthy source possible. Again, just want to prove I am not making this up.
The organization I intern for is actually doing better than the financial ratio I mentioned:
92% programs
3% fundraising
5% admin
http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information (http://www.rescue.org/about/financial-information) (there is an easy to read graph at the bottom of the page)
But as you stated, they are a large organization so it is much easier to do so for them.
Edit: And again, I said it was the ideal. Not that you shouldn't donate to an organization that doesn't reach these financial goals.� I couldn't really find a legit source that agrees with me. I concede to you but still assert that I am not just making this up!
I checked out charitynavigator.org and I think some of it also has to do with what the overhead actually is in general. The top organizations are almost all food banks. Those have a pretty low overhead. You put out some bins at the right places, sponsor drives, and keep the place running and that is pretty much the brunt of the costs. I would guess a group that has international missions and actions would have higher overhead. I'm sure there are organizations that put their money to better places and are more effective at putting money toward the same goal than IC though still.
Completely unrelated rant not aimed at any poster:
I guess I kinda feel bad about this guy's meltdown. It seems like if you try to be an active person in our current society you are dragged through the muck. Honestly, it goes with any activism. Whether its the tea party on the right or occupy movement on the left, if you are an average person and get involved in political issues today you are the subject of insults and epithets that aren't even related to the issue a lot of the time, and often are put under more scrutiny than the people they are protesting, its fucked up. Again, not saying his work is perfect, but society would be better served if guys like Joseph Kony or� these big corporations could be under that scrutiny instead. Don't agree with this guy's solution? Fine, let's talk about other solutions, don't turn the issue into whether the people who made the documentary did a good job or are good people, turn it into a discussion about the fact that there are a lot of problems that we aren't facing up to in Africa. Our society is better served with an active populace, the elites are better served with the repression of activism instead of the opening of conversation around it. I feel like its a shame this conversation, which started about how we deal with the Kony's of the world and how we don't turned into a circus around this dude.
um... people pay other people/influence to diminish and suppress ideas infinitely.
not disregarding your points at all, the are good ones. are you a transplant to CA out of curiosity?
Yeah, I'm a CA transplant. Went to college and grad school out here.
If I can touch upon, where you're from be it transplant satus? Before your CA move, I'm just a bit curious. Not attack type measure.
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it scares me that i know gipper is from chicago
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not that it matters of course but Kony guy seems to be extremely gay to me
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(http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/internet-memes-besthead.jpg)
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i havent seen Kindu on here in a while. I wonder what he thinks about all this
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I will be joining the April 20th night time movements.
Is anybody else doing this?
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Cricket Sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg#)
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Cricket Sound (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8E_zMLCRNg#)
LOL
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hahaha yes
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so this dude even squeezed in a drug reference (420) into his campaign? make room charlie sheen, there's a new winner on the scene
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The first arrest warrants ever issued by the ICC (International Criminal Court) in The Hague were aimed at Joseph Kony and four of his LRA commanders in 2005.
Meeting Joseph Kony - Uganda June 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWiF9hSgyoU&feature=relmfu#ws)