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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: zuma on April 08, 2012, 03:28:48 AM
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just in from facebookland ha ha
When I get older and can't skateboard anymore (Yes, I fully acknowledge that this will happen) All I want to do is sit in a room with fellow creatives and come up with ideas. It doesn't matter to me if some of them fail, it doesn't matter if some of them are extremely successful. The process of going through it all is what makes me happy.
My brain has worked this way since I was a kid. In the last 5 or so years I have been going through a lot of learning lessons with social interactions. I missed out on a lot when i was younger because I ignored everything and everybody around me because I just wanted to learn as many things as I could possibly learn.
In my lifetime I have spent about 20x inside a small room on my computer than I have ever spent on my skateboard. But i've also learned just about everything I need to know to have complete control of the way I want my videos, graphics, and media to be presented. This isn't something that I necessarily planned. It's just something i've always loved to do. I don't really know how many people know this, but I have edited & produced just about every video part that I have ever put out. Including all of my YouTube edits, Usko, Mag Minute, ABD part, 2010 part, 75% of my Recruit, etc. I've never liked putting this stuff out there, because it makes me feel a little weird. I once even purposely told The Skateboard Mag to put my friend Josh Cronje's name on the title of editor of my Mag Minute page because I didn't want people to know. But to be honest, I don't really care much anymore.
At the end of the day, If I put something out that people don't like, I don't want to blame anybody but myself. But there is only a selected amount of people that I allow to have control over my footage, etc. And they know who they are.
To some skateboarders, sitting in a room working on a computer all day seems like a nightmare, but to me it's my happy place. It's something that I will always be able to do. And that alone is what keeps me motivated to keep pushing as hard as I can on my skateboard while I am young. Because when my skateboard ticking clock is over, i'll know exactly what I will be doing.
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It simply sounds pretentious. There is simply on variable he forgot, it's called life.
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He spanks it in a small room 20 x more than he skates?
I can respect that.
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so hes on the thrasher forum? or he works in a cubical?
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It simply sounds pretentious. There is simply on variable he forgot, it's called life.
seriously...how can someone at that level not be humbled enough by their sucesses to just shut the fuck up.
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This dude already sucks, then he wrote that.
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He's always sending youtube links to hella clips on twitter, of him I do not know.
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Probably the stupidest thing he said.
"I once even purposely told The Skateboard Mag to put my friend Josh Cronje's name on the title of editor of my Mag Minute page because I didn't want people to know."
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dont play with fireworks josiah.
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after reading that I was like, "erm, okay."
then I took a shit
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maybe he was drunk ? anyways dude kills it so maybe more footage and less talkin and he can get that am spot on zero !
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(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1435052_o.gif)
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maybe he was drunk ? anyways dude kills it so maybe more footage and less talkin and he can get that am spot on zero !
dude's got a boner for christ, so he probably wasn't drinking.
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The try hard award goes to
(http://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/headshots/2706.jpg)
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Fellow creatives? He works at Apple?...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism)
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5 paragraphs and he didn't mention Jesus once!
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This dude already sucks, then he wrote that.
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This dude rules.
Some skaters doesn't appreciate all the work filmers/editors do and this dude almost does everything by himself, this making it easier for him to appreciate everything.
Fuck yeah Josiah!
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"I missed out on a lot when i was younger because I ignored everything and everybody around me because I just wanted to learn as many things as I could possibly learn."
Yeah, you definitely learn as much as you possibly can be ignoring everybody and everything around you. Or wait...no...its the opposite of that.
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This dude rules.
Some skaters doesn't appreciate all the work filmers/editors do and this dude almost does everything by himself, this making it easier for him to appreciate everything.
Fuck yeah Josiah!
what's up josiah?
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ISUCK! you should pull this dude aside and have the same "shut the fuck up" conversation that Cole mentioned in his Free Lunch.
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it just made me think of this
(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l01girtRWF1qamkqoo1_500.jpg)
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I'm backing this dude for sure. Watch this shit.. UskoBearly (http://vimeo.com/28045352)
All the dudes who busts nuts over wu tang in skate vids will probably hate it, but it's undeniably well put together and original.
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This guy is the worst.
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This dude rules.
Some skaters doesn't appreciate all the work filmers/editors do and this dude almost does everything by himself, this making it easier for him to appreciate everything.
Fuck yeah Josiah!
Hey man, wzup? Douchebag
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This dude rules.
Some skaters doesn't appreciate all the work filmers/editors do and this dude almost does everything by himself, this making it easier for him to appreciate everything.
Fuck yeah Josiah!
Hey man, wzup? Douchebag
I prefer "cocksucker", but it's okay I forgive you.
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I'm backing this dude for sure. Watch this shit.. UskoBearly (http://vimeo.com/28045352)
All the dudes who busts nuts over wu tang in skate vids will probably hate it, but it's undeniably well put together and original.
ew.
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I'm backing this dude for sure. Watch this shit.. UskoBearly (http://vimeo.com/28045352)
All the dudes who busts nuts over wu tang in skate vids will probably hate it, but it's undeniably well put together and original.
you have got to be fucking kidding me that video was put together terribly. sebo's footage could have been made into something good but if that 3 shuv in the beginning n the polar bear transitions didnt fuck it up enough, the dubsteb strangled the edit to death
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dude knows how to kill it ona skateboard so im backin em, despite awkward facebook venting and his thirst for Jesus
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I'm backing this dude for sure. Watch this shit.. UskoBearly (http://vimeo.com/28045352)
All the dudes who busts nuts over wu tang in skate vids will probably hate it, but it's undeniably well put together and original.
I like bears. the edit was kinda meh, but there was some insane stuff in there. the kicfkflip nose blunt thing on the miami triangle was a shocker.
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berra > this little queer
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This guy is the worst.
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Was this long ass post a response to something?
I feel like this whole thing was unneeded unless someone talked down on him for editing his own videos...or something
reminds me of people that say shit like "fuck what other people think of me" when nobody said a damn thing
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dude seems to be venting some serious (/sanctimonious?) female-bitterness:
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'Here is absolute proof that (sadly) most girls these days are ignorant: In life, it's important to have respect. Everybody knows that. Attention isn't always a good thing. And it's pretty obvious that girls care more about attention than respect when half their tit is hanging out in every photo they post. Guess what, every single girl on the planet also has boobs. Girls always say stupid shit like "I'm not like all the other girls" Really? Well posing in a photo on facebook with the same damn stance and posture as every other girl sure does make you look like all of them. Facebook is obviously one of the most popular ways to communicate these days so it's actually becoming important how you present yourself. It's just the new generation. So do yourself a favor and stop looking like a bunch of idiots. And maybe you might gain some sort of respect...'
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'Important note to all girls:
By taking a photo of yourself holding up a Skyy vodka you are telling people this: "I am a pretty girl that is signaling to everybody that I am about to get extremely drunk. But please do no judge me in a harsh way, nor try to take advantage of me. I will also post a photo later telling you how drunk I am even though I fully acknowledge that it's not even possible for people to know that i am drunk through a photo. Ps: I'm a moron. " '
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Girls are always at each others throats, it is hilarious. Do you ever see a dude post "Man, guys are just so stupid. I hate men".
also this status is also noteworthy for its kookiness:
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'I see some people over facebook that I don't know personally and my perception of them is obviously just what I see. Then I see somebody on facebook that I know personally and for some reason everything they post is the complete opposite of how they really act. And then I also see people who suck at life, and also suck on facebook equally as bad. So if you suck at life, and also on facebook, you should probably start living your life differently.'
haha he's so simple minded yet so preachy
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Would you give the fucking kid a break? Oh , wow , he's narcissistic! IM GOING TO MAKE A THREAD ON SLAP!!!!
Everyone without exception on this planet is a complete clueless dumbfuck at that age.
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damn he musta just got dumped or something and is not so subtly calling out his ex. its true though girls are terrible people, every last one of em
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Would you give the fucking kid a break? Oh , wow , he's narcissistic! IM GOING TO MAKE A THREAD ON SLAP!!!!
Everyone without exception on this planet is a complete clueless dumbfuck at that age.
he's 21, according to SPoT. posts like those ^^^ coming from a 21 year old is something to laugh at.
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dude seems to be venting some serious (/sanctimonious?) female-bitterness:
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'Here is absolute proof that (sadly) most girls these days are ignorant: In life, it's important to have respect. Everybody knows that. Attention isn't always a good thing. And it's pretty obvious that girls care more about attention than respect when half their tit is hanging out in every photo they post. Guess what, every single girl on the planet also has boobs. Girls always say stupid shit like "I'm not like all the other girls" Really? Well posing in a photo on facebook with the same damn stance and posture as every other girl sure does make you look like all of them. Facebook is obviously one of the most popular ways to communicate these days so it's actually becoming important how you present yourself. It's just the new generation. So do yourself a favor and stop looking like a bunch of idiots. And maybe you might gain some sort of respect...'
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'Important note to all girls:
By taking a photo of yourself holding up a Skyy vodka you are telling people this: "I am a pretty girl that is signaling to everybody that I am about to get extremely drunk. But please do no judge me in a harsh way, nor try to take advantage of me. I will also post a photo later telling you how drunk I am even though I fully acknowledge that it's not even possible for people to know that i am drunk through a photo. Ps: I'm a moron. " '
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Girls are always at each others throats, it is hilarious. Do you ever see a dude post "Man, guys are just so stupid. I hate men".
also this status is also noteworthy for its kookiness:
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'I see some people over facebook that I don't know personally and my perception of them is obviously just what I see. Then I see somebody on facebook that I know personally and for some reason everything they post is the complete opposite of how they really act. And then I also see people who suck at life, and also suck on facebook equally as bad. So if you suck at life, and also on facebook, you should probably start living your life differently.'
haha he's so simple minded yet so preachy
lmfao omg this shit is a gag. whats crazy is that i bet he gets like 50+ likes on each one. "the new generation"
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Still backing this dude , he has good style , nice trick selection and really nice pop . ISUCK knows what he is doing
http://alreadybeendone.com/content/2011/01/04/already-been-done-presents-josiah-gatlyn/ (http://alreadybeendone.com/content/2011/01/04/already-been-done-presents-josiah-gatlyn/)
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ISUCK knows what he is doing
no he doesnt, he doesnt fit on Zero or any Black Box Company, he should fuck off to element.
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harsh toke!!
he's staying in my guest room and this is what he's doing with his spare time; I'll tell him he's gotta cut this shit out or I'm gonna cut off the electricity and the hot water!
I assure you he's a good kid, but definitely a bit out there; and so the story goes...
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Eh, I enjoy the way he skates but he does come off a little pretentious in all that shit. At the end of the day im not gonna hate on the kid for being kooky.I mean I like watching kobe play basketball even though he raped that chick.
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harsh toke!!
he's staying in my guest room and this is what he's doing with his spare time; I'll tell him he's gotta cut this shit out or I'm gonna cut off the electricity and the hot water!
I assure you he's a good kid, but definitely a bit out there; and so the story goes...
Are you gonna take cold showers just to teach him a lesson?
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I'm backing this dude for sure. Watch this shit.. UskoBearly (http://vimeo.com/28045352)
All the dudes who busts nuts over wu tang in skate vids will probably hate it, but it's undeniably well put together and original.
This video makes me want to save a polar bear.
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Probably the stupidest thing he said.
"I once even purposely told The Skateboard Mag to put my friend Josh Cronje's name on the title of editor of my Mag Minute page because I didn't want people to know."
reminds me of the "anonymous donor" episode of curb your enthusiasm, where larry gets his name put as anonymous, but then tells girls it's really him, so he gets both the glory for giving and the respect for not seeming like he cares about the recognition. "it's no big deal that i did it. but, yes, i really did do it. let me make that clear."
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This dude rules.
Some skaters doesn't appreciate all the work filmers/editors do and this dude almost does everything by himself, this making it easier for him to appreciate everything.
Fuck yeah Josiah!
yeah, the crazy part is how he films his own skating, that's on some different level shit right there.
Quite possibly the best self filmer in all of skateboarding. He's got a camera on a stick on him at all times.
No wait, it's the holy ghost filming him. Holy shit!
Also, he channels the spirit and it makes him speak in tongues while he edits the footage alone in his room.
Holy ghost helping with the edit, too!
Does the holy ghost help him when he's facebooking? I'm pretty sure that's all him.
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harsh toke!!
he's staying in my guest room and this is what he's doing with his spare time; I'll tell him he's gotta cut this shit out or I'm gonna cut off the electricity and the hot water!
I assure you he's a good kid, but definitely a bit out there; and so the story goes...
Are you gonna take cold showers just to teach him a lesson?
i can appreciate that you're 'the dude' that combs peoples posts to look for the holes, so you can try to show off how smart and witty you are.
there's a separate hot water heater for the guest room, but maybe there's a typo or something in one of these sentences for you to build on for your next hopeful zinger...
ps. i love cold showers!
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5 paragraphs and he didn't mention Jesus once!
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Probably the stupidest thing he said.
"I once even purposely told The Skateboard Mag to put my friend Josh Cronje's name on the title of editor of my Mag Minute page because I didn't want people to know."
reminds me of the "anonymous donor" episode of curb your enthusiasm, where larry gets his name put as anonymous, but then tells girls it's really him, so he gets both the glory for giving and the respect for not seeming like he cares about the recognition. "it's no big deal that i did it. but, yes, i really did do it. let me make that clear."
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This dude rules.
Some skaters doesn't appreciate all the work filmers/editors do and this dude almost does everything by himself, this making it easier for him to appreciate everything.
Fuck yeah Josiah!
yeah, the crazy part is how he films his own skating, that's on some different level shit right there.
Actually, Ted Danson did that, and Larry wished he did, because they put his name on the wing he donated. Then he managed to get it taken off when he gets in a fight with a guy at the museum about the Yankees jersey of Larry's that he ended up getting at the cleaners.
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harsh toke!!
he's staying in my guest room and this is what he's doing with his spare time; I'll tell him he's gotta cut this shit out or I'm gonna cut off the electricity and the hot water!
I assure you he's a good kid, but definitely a bit out there; and so the story goes...
Are you gonna take cold showers just to teach him a lesson?
i can appreciate that you're 'the dude' that combs peoples posts to look for the holes, so you can try to show off how smart and witty you are.
there's a separate hot water heater for the guest room, but maybe there's a typo or something in one of these sentences for you to build on for your next hopeful zinger...
ps. i love cold showers!
teehee.
You can always tell the chief is getting moody and defensive when he posts like this.
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this kid has to have some kind of syndrome.
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teehee.
You can always tell the chief is getting moody and defensive when he posts like this.
haha, touche' mr. gipper
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oh, josiah asked me to tell you all thanks for feedback on his rant.
he also promised to get a girnal to appropriately express his appreciation for his own editing and to frequently download his plans for life after skateboarding...
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I wrote this thread off as some more bullshit that I didn't care about, but then ISuck came in and made it spicy.
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Would you give the fucking kid a break? Oh , wow , he's narcissistic! IM GOING TO MAKE A THREAD ON SLAP!!!!
Everyone without exception on this planet is a complete clueless dumbfuck at that age.
he's 21, according to SPoT. posts like those ^^^ coming from a 21 year old is something to laugh at.
People crystallize their ideology around that age(16-22) and then spend the next 5-10 years trying to unfuck themselves from it. I've heard passive aggressive misogynist shit coming 29 year olds. There's no time-frame for hate my friend.
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I think what he means, is that by 21 years old, you should stop fucking whining over facebook and try to fuck some girls instead.
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Would you give the fucking kid a break? Oh , wow , he's narcissistic! IM GOING TO MAKE A THREAD ON SLAP!!!!
Everyone without exception on this planet is a complete clueless dumbfuck at that age.
he's 21, according to SPoT. posts like those ^^^ coming from a 21 year old is something to laugh at.
People crystallize their ideology around that age(16-22) and then spend the next 5-10 years trying to unfuck themselves from it. I've heard passive aggressive misogynist shit coming 29 year olds. There's no time-frame for hate my friend.
yeah, basically what donkey lips said.
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not defending josiah because he seems to be a sexist asshole. but fuck it. he has plans for life and i don't. so he wins at that.
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you know who else had a plan? hitler!
just kidding. but if Josiah was working on any females on facebook, i think he just undid all that work. also, he's not gonna win over the majority of skateboarders by telling chicks to cover up more of their boobs
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plans are over-rated
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plans are over-rated
especially phone plans, i rather stay with my virgin tab.... pun not intended, not that there should be a pun about my sex life, or anything
fuck.
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Remember when everyone hated Marc Johnson because he always tried to act like he was intellectual when really he just had a bunch of time on his hands to read books on metaphysics and relay how they loosely apply to the world of skateboarding?
Josiah Gatlyn should turn off the damn computer and read something that wasn't written by a 17 year old girl about to go and party.
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Remember when everyone hated Marc Johnson because he always tried to act like he was intellectual when really he just had a bunch of time on his hands to read books on metaphysics and relay how they loosely apply to the world of skateboarding?
Josiah Gatlyn should turn off the damn computer and read something that wasn't written by a 17 year old girl about to go and party.
I know Josiah, and this might be some of the best advise I've heard for him. Don't post anything on the internet unless it's you or your friends skating, you just seem unable to do it without looking like an ass.
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Remember when everyone hated Marc Johnson because he always tried to act like he was intellectual when really he just had a bunch of time on his hands to read books on metaphysics and relay how they loosely apply to the world of skateboarding?
Josiah Gatlyn should turn off the damn computer and read something that wasn't written by a 17 year old girl about to go and party.
hahaha! Marc is awesome, but that's on point
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ISUCK , tell him to go party with the rest of the zero crew and to film a good part for cold war
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Yeah Jamie, tell him to start doing drugs.
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Tell him to fuck off instead.
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Or tell him that god sent Jesus to earth by way of a woman. I mean, its total bullshit, but he seems into that sort of thing.
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Or tell him that god sent Jesus to earth by way of a woman. I mean, its total bullshit, but he seems into that sort of thing.
this, and while i will admit it was somewhat well executed, bearly is riding completely on the stylistic coattails of jackson casey/boyish
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The best part of all this is how you guys follow him on facebook like he is a girl you're trying to fuck.
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The best part of all this is how you guys follow him on facebook like he is a girl you're trying to fuck.
amen.
zuma you fucking kook. starting this thread says more about you then it does about josiah.
bandwagon hating is worse than bandwagon cock-sucking.
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...it's all good for josiah, medicine comes in all sorts.
gipper, that was so funny when you dissed jesus, god and josiah all in the same sentence; way to put that intellect to use!
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Thanks!
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Kenny Powers Dropping Facebook Reference (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMoMHJIxLzA#ws)
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big things are happening, while we are sitting here on SLAP, hes on COD at the same time hes planning his future VIA cell phone
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/249307_259402164076009_118404494842444_1278274_1870909_n.jpg)
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after reading that I was like, "erm, okay."
then I took a shit
i did the same thing
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There are millions of posts similar to this on facebook, the only difference is that these were made by a guy who's good at skateboarding.
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Did Jamie seriously just spell journal "girnal"..?
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I still do not understand the point of this thread? All he said was something along the lines that he wants to edit when he can't skate
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I still do not understand the point of this thread? All he said was something along the lines that he wants to edit when he can't skate
it seems like he was being defensive about it when nobody was even saying anything. And it was about him editing in general, not just when he can't skate anymore
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I still do not understand the point of this thread? All he said was something along the lines that he wants to edit when he can't skate
it seems like he was being defensive about it when nobody was even saying anything. And it was about him editing in general, not just when he can't skate anymore
It wouldn't make sense If he was being defensive considering he posted it on his facebook for kids to read.
He could have worded it a bit different and shortened it to get a better point across but even then, people in general say the stupidest shit ever sometimes- it's only human. That was nowhere near as bad as other posts on FB
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^^^ hey person read more than the first and last page, there are also posts about girls and shit.
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Did Jamie seriously just spell journal "girnal"..?
journal + girl = girnal
it's a common term here in the US of A
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...it's all good for josiah, medicine comes in all sorts.
gipper, that was so funny when you dissed jesus, god and josiah all in the same sentence; way to put that intellect to use!
wait, isn't Jesus supposed to be God?
you're trippin me out, dude.
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...it's all good for josiah, medicine comes in all sorts.
gipper, that was so funny when you dissed jesus, god and josiah all in the same sentence; way to put that intellect to use!
wait, isn't Jesus supposed to be God?
you're trippin me out, dude.
son of god
and son=sun...
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yeah hes the son of god but hes also god...holy trinity or some shit like that they probably stole from zelda
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Remember when everyone hated Marc Johnson because he always tried to act like he was intellectual when really he just had a bunch of time on his hands to read books on metaphysics and relay how they loosely apply to the world of skateboarding?
haha, wait what videos was this in again? Modus?
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...it's all good for josiah, medicine comes in all sorts.
gipper, that was so funny when you dissed jesus, god and josiah all in the same sentence; way to put that intellect to use!
wait, isn't Jesus supposed to be God?
you're trippin me out, dude.
That's the magic of God. When it doesn't make sense, its because you're stupid.
I also wondered why he didn't mention Mary. Still, did I insult 3 people or 4?
I mean, really all I did was claimed a different belief and didn't attribute any negative traits to his gods, but apparently in the Chief's world anything other than claiming full obedience to the cult is an insult.
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someone close this thread before it turns into a "discussion" about religion
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yeah hes the son of god but hes also god...holy trinity or some shit like that they probably stole from zelda
still loling two minutes after reading this. you win
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kinda wishing I had an NES and that gold cartridge!
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someone close this thread before it turns into a "discussion" about religion
you already know its coming...
as somebody who was raised and confirmed in the Lutheran church (im not a christian anymore tho) i gotta say that the whole concept of religion is mostly used to control & separate people. most of those who have certain belief systems are only in them cuz thats what they were raised to believe, so of course everyones gonna feel like their religion is right while the others are wrong. each religion has their own form of dogma, unnecessary politics, and history which will obviously conflict with the other hundreds of religions out there and cause problems amongst people. its a bomb-ass recipe for creating conflict among human beings and has worked for centuries.
not that im trying to knock anyones beliefs or anything like that but just ask yourself: dont you think that if you were raised under another belief system you would believe in that as strongly as the one you do now? hmmmmmm...
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someone close this thread before it turns into a "discussion" about religion
please. this thread is amazing already i would hate for it to turn into another 8 pages of religion debate where everyone tries to sound smarter than everyone else
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someone close this thread before it turns into a "discussion" about religion
you already know its coming...
as somebody who was raised and confirmed in the Lutheran church (im not a christian anymore tho) i gotta say that the whole concept of religion is mostly used to control & separate people. most of those who have certain belief systems are only in them cuz thats what they were raised to believe, so of course everyones gonna feel like their religion is right while the others are wrong. each religion has their own form of dogma, unnecessary politics, and history which will obviously conflict with the other hundreds of religions out there and cause problems amongst people. its a bomb-ass recipe for creating conflict among human beings and has worked for centuries.
not that im trying to knock anyones beliefs or anything like that but just ask yourself: dont you think that if you were raised under another belief system you would believe in that as strongly as the one you do now? hmmmmmm...
while I rag on religious folk, yeah, I can't say that I don't understand why they're like that. I'm just glad I was raised in a household that didn't practice a certain religion. I mean, my parents are into their own thing, but the never forced anything onto me, so I consider myself lucky.
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Josiah should post on Slap.
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(http://users.content.ytmnd.com/9/3/c/93c1acc2059921a7e01c5167f4290c1d.jpg)
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Josiah should post on Slap.
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...it's all good for josiah, medicine comes in all sorts.
gipper, that was so funny when you dissed jesus, god and josiah all in the same sentence; way to put that intellect to use!
You dedicated your entire career to fantasy following(christianity); way to put that intellect to use!
Or should I say lack thereof?
Fuck Jesus!
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...it's all good for josiah, medicine comes in all sorts.
gipper, that was so funny when you dissed jesus, god and josiah all in the same sentence; way to put that intellect to use!
You dedicated your entire career to fantasy following(christianity); way to put that intellect to use!
Or should I say lack thereof?
Fuck Jesus!
you're tryin too hard
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...it's all good for josiah, medicine comes in all sorts.
gipper, that was so funny when you dissed jesus, god and josiah all in the same sentence; way to put that intellect to use!
You dedicated your entire career to fantasy following(christianity); way to put that intellect to use!
Or should I say lack thereof?
Fuck Jesus!
I just discovered that god might not be real...GOTTA TELL EVERYONE
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...it's all good for josiah, medicine comes in all sorts.
gipper, that was so funny when you dissed jesus, god and josiah all in the same sentence; way to put that intellect to use!
You dedicated your entire career to fantasy following(christianity); way to put that intellect to use!
Or should I say lack thereof?
Fuck Jesus!
And you stay jockin'
Please allow me to voice my disdain for JT in peace....
I mean, that is the way that Jesus would have wanted it! Right?
+Another notable treat: I have noticed that JT's demeanor cracks quicker than Zero decks!@ (lol okay, it sounds corny but it is the truest statement in this entire thread)
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...it's all good for josiah, medicine comes in all sorts.
gipper, that was so funny when you dissed jesus, god and josiah all in the same sentence; way to put that intellect to use!
You dedicated your entire career to fantasy following(christianity); way to put that intellect to use!
Or should I say lack thereof?
Fuck Jesus!
I just discovered that god might not be real...GOTTA TELL EVERYONE
Believing in God and Jesus aren't one in the same.
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someone close this thread before it turns into a "discussion" about religion
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man, you're on point; i can appreciate your disdain and your metaphors are really neat
Gipper, thank you for waiting 12 hours before unleashing your vengeance
peace, love and fantasy to all!
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man, you're on point; i can appreciate your disdain and your metaphors are really neat
Gipper, thank you for waiting 12 hours before unleashing your vengeance
peace, love and fantasy to all!
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This dude already sucks, then he wrote that.
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Why is everyone always hating on jamie? Show some respect damn
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Is Sheckler still ruining skateboarding?
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man, you're on point; i can appreciate your disdain and your metaphors are really neat
Gipper, thank you for waiting 12 hours before unleashing your vengeance
peace, love and fantasy to all!
Chief, you're one of my favorites in many ways.
But I don't think you have any room to talk about fantasy.
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(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/chilogyblog/gatlyn.jpg)
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"A woman's menstrual cycle is a curse to due sin."
This guy really said that....wtf?
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Weird how everyone is so liberal with their comments about the beliefs of Christians and the like, but if Jamie or Josiah were Muslims I'm willing to bet you guys wouldn't say shit about it. Just because someone has a different belief system than yourself there's really no reason to mock it the way some of you do. Just saying.
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Weird how everyone is so liberal with their comments about the beliefs of Christians and the like, but if Jamie or Josiah were Muslims I'm willing to bet you guys wouldn't say shit about it. Just because someone has a different belief system than yourself there's really no reason to mock it the way some of you do. Just saying.
you seriously think slap would keep quiet about muslims? haha, guess again
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i'm pretty sure we've all spent a lot of time defending our beliefs about religion on the internet. i think this kids position is hard to be in especially because he's young and niave and doesn't understand that faith is not a about logic, it's about blindly following things that fail logic (zombies, emaculate conception, too many to list...). if these beliefs didn't fail logic then it wouldn't be faith, it'd be fact and everyone would be believing it because it wouldn't be difficult to do so. one of my best friends is an ivy league guy, super smart, super into the baptist church and you can talk to him about his faith as a non-believer without it getting annoying and pompus because he understands that it's faith and says things like "as christians we believe..." knowing that it's just a belief and he can talk objectively about the problems with his faith because he's aware that it's not supposed to be put up to logical scrutiny and doesn't get offended or put off. i think the whole thing comes down to respect. gipper is on one end of the spectrum, lashing out whenever he can (i've been there too) and then this kid is on the other being pompus and arrogant about something that is faith based. neither is showing respect to the others position when it comes to their beliefs. faith always looks silly from the outside, no matter which one it is, but to me ripping on someones faith is kind of like telling someone thier child is ugly. you might be right but not the nicest thing to do.
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Weird how everyone is so liberal with their comments about the beliefs of Christians and the like, but if Jamie or Josiah were Muslims I'm willing to bet you guys wouldn't say shit about it.� Just because someone has a different belief system than yourself there's really no reason to mock it the way some of you do.� Just saying.
Lol, is that because it's a taboo topic? Because of America's/UK (imperial Europe's) war on Islam?
I think it would be even better if Jamie grew a Muslim style beard and started going to Mosques and shit, I don't think that gatlyn cunt could grow a pube....Thomas could burn an American flag and burn an effigy of Obama for a zero add....
There are to many reasons to name to mock Christians, as there is Mulsims......
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Lol, is that because it's a taboo topic? Because of America's/UK (imperial Europe's) war on Islam?
That's not it at all. I just think Christian-bashing is deemed acceptable in today's society.
faith always looks silly from the outside, no matter which one it is, but to me ripping on someones faith is kind of like telling someone thier child is ugly. you might be right but not the nicest thing to do.
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harsh toke!!
he's staying in my guest room and this is what he's doing with his spare time; I'll tell him he's gotta cut this shit out or I'm gonna cut off the electricity and the hot water!
I assure you he's a good kid, but definitely a bit out there; and so the story goes...
Are you gonna take cold showers just to teach him a lesson?
i can appreciate that you're 'the dude' that combs peoples posts to look for the holes, so you can try to show off how smart and witty you are.
there's a separate hot water heater for the guest room, but maybe there's a typo or something in one of these sentences for you to build on for your next hopeful zinger...
ps. i love cold showers!
That was the most benign comment that you could've used as a segue to show your humorous side and keep everything light, yet you chose the less-than-noble route to be insidious and cast the attributes that make Narcissus' comments worthwhile into a negative light, because why? Social media and a need for attention once again outed your talented and kind flow rider as a naive young man with a vendetta against anything with a gleaming bosom and predilection for partying, whom are equally as callow? You're an exceptional businessman, and obviously know the worth of SLAP seeing as your two newest ams came from competitions we voted on. I understand your defending of Josiah--I would do the same if he were my friend and employee--but you should be trying to market this kid so he one day has a board that sells your way into a nice retirement villa in Spain, not lowkey ball-jocking the dude who, unlike everyone else, isn't ceaselessly berating your faith.
p.s.
I like warm to hot showers, but at the end I leave it on cold just enough to douse my whole body and give jolt of wakefulness.
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Lol, is that because it's a taboo topic? Because of America's/UK (imperial Europe's) war on Islam?
That's not it at all. I just think Christian-bashing is deemed acceptable in today's society.
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faith always looks silly from the outside, no matter which one it is, but to me ripping on someones faith is kind of like telling someone thier child is ugly. you might be right but not the nicest thing to do.
Oh come on, just because it is 'faith' doesn't mean that it shouldn't be up for debate. I guess there is a difference between bashing and discussion....
It's acceptable to have violence in video games, it's acceptable to have rape scenes in movies,
it's acceptable to have racial hate groups . . . all points of debate.
Christianity has raped and pillaged the world for centuries but if I want to question someone on their beliefs
I shouldn't because it's not a nice thing to do. I think after all these years of putting up with Christians it's ok for non believers
to stand up and go ''aye, fuck that shit you're into and this is why........''
It's simple, don't put it out there if you're not prepared to be criticized.
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there is a difference between bashing and discussion
exactly
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if Josiah ever goes pro, his first board has to say "Being Gay is a Choice!"
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josiah GAYtlin. sorry, had to say it. I'm sure its been said. but i amused myself.
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(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/chilogyblog/gatlyn.jpg)
Fuck this kid.
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this post every one is quoting is from 2008...
Who ever posted that must really have no life. You went back 4 years of postings just to hate on someone 👍
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(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/chilogyblog/gatlyn.jpg)
Fuck this kid.
this is fucking insane. ISUCK!, I can't believe you choose to pay and support someone with these beliefs.
I am not religious, but I know Christians who hold being a good person as their main responsibility to do good by God in their eyes, but this is just primitive and horrific thinking.
Shame on you, seriously.
I'm in my early 30's and am relatively successful and business savvy. not only is this a poor business choice, it's a poor personal one as well.
There's a saying that goes something like 'you are the company you keep'
I have lost a lot of respect for Blackbox.
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(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/chilogyblog/gatlyn.jpg)
http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3oqvm7/ (http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3oqvm7/)
i wanna see ocean howell flick josiah in his underdeveloped nutsack. hard.
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Josiah should post on Slap.
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if Josiah ever goes pro, his first board has to say "Being Gay is a Choice!"
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if Josiah ever goes pro, his first board has to say "Being Gay is a Choice!"
(http://i.imgur.com/tbs51.png)
Amazing
i wonder what jamie thinks now??
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Ok , I was backing the kid , but if in 2012 he still thinks that way about homosexuals ...
lets hope he got older and wiser
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"being gay is a choice." people still think this?
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"being gay is a choice." people still think this?
you can't teach an old dog new tricks
And when I mean old, I mean stubborn
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I'm only backing this dude because I've met him before and I can say that he doesn't think that way anymore. He grew up mentally in those 4 years. He's actually really down to earth
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Remember when everyone hated Marc Johnson because he always tried to act like he was intellectual when really he just had a bunch of time on his hands to read books on metaphysics and relay how they loosely apply to the world of skateboarding?
haha, wait what videos was this in again? Modus?
also, hot chocolate? including sitting in front of a book shelf
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hahaha such a tight graphic.
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i don't care what anyone believes as long as they're not a dick about it. that said, would y'all stop being dicks about a dude's faith? especially when i could post a photo of me with a 666 lip tatoo and there'd be a thread full of stoke. same stick, different end. i mean, if it were a "debate religion" thread, then yeah, we could get heavy into the crusades and killing and neg out, but it's a thread about a person and those kind of attacks aren't cool. no matter what you believe. and for the record, i don't believe shit and i didn't think gipper dissed anyone. god, zombie, prostitute or otherwise.
"josiah rips and also has a questionable presence on social media"...sound familiar? oh yeah, just about every other skater that posts on the internet.
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I don't hold anyone's personal beliefs against them as long as they're not pontificating from a self-declared morally superior high ground and telling others what is right. That's crossing the fuckin' line. The dudes yelling "Hail Satan" and acid dropping off of things are just as dumb, but maybe they get more of a pass because it's hard to believe that they're doing it in earnest--I mean, the payoff for them is the reaction of others... But for a sponsored skateboarder, even before getting good tricks on tape, his number one job is as a brand ambassador and public representative of the companies that he rides for. As such, he should absolutely have a filter on what kind of stuff he spews forth into the world. Even if he believes that gay people are all self-selecting "alternative lifestyles," perhaps especially so, he should not say it in a public forum because, beyond being straight up wrong, it's damaging to that skater's personal brand and reflects badly on his employers. Some of the rebukes and vilification here have been pretty thoughtless and unnecessarily harsh (cuz dudes are anonymously ganging up on one guy), but the essential idea is that, yes, the dude should not be behaving that way. It's weird, at the very least.
Young Josiah, maybe read some more books, practice openness and don't post on FB after strokin' it to the Old Testament. You're one sweater vest away from becoming a tre-flippin' Rick Santorum. Skateboarding is about freedom, riding the concrete fuckin' wave of Babylon, not kowtowing to socially conservative constructs and ideologies. Part of the magic of the plank is that it is a subversive activity. We are, with every push, expressing our disdain for the asinine policies created by the establishment. If JC is your personal savior, that's fine with me, but you should not be pushing your beliefs with your public platform, only badass skateboarding. We don't come to this show, the skateboard spectacle to hear what Sammy Baca thinks about Israel or Nick Trapasso thinks about health care reform or anyone's thoughts on creation or human sexuality. No offense to anyone, but I absolutely do not care to hear your opinions on these subjects. I wanna see some fuckin' nollie heels.
For the record, I have nothing but respect for JT and was merely joking before, not trying to outsmart anyone or flame anyone.
And though I hope that no one cares, but my wish is for skateboarding to stay antisocial, weird and evil.
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I don't hold anyone's personal beliefs against them as long as they're not pontificating from a self-declared morally superior high ground and telling others what is right. That's crossing the fuckin' line. The dudes yelling "Hail Satan" and acid dropping off of things are just as dumb, but maybe they get more of a pass because it's hard to believe that they're doing it in earnest--I mean, the payoff for them is the reaction of others... But for a sponsored skateboarder, even before getting good tricks on tape, his number one job is as a brand ambassador and public representative of the companies that he rides for. As such, he should absolutely have a filter on what kind of stuff he spews forth into the world. Even if he believes that gay people are all self-selecting "alternative lifestyles," perhaps especially so, he should not say it in a public forum because, beyond being straight up wrong, it's damaging to that skater's personal brand and reflects badly on his employers. Some of the rebukes and vilification here have been pretty thoughtless and unnecessarily harsh (cuz dudes are anonymously ganging up on one guy), but the essential idea is that, yes, the dude should not be behaving that way. It's weird, at the very least.
Young Josiah, maybe read some more books, practice openness and don't post on FB after strokin' it to the Old Testament. You're one sweater vest away from becoming a tre-flippin' Rick Santorum. Skateboarding is about freedom, riding the concrete fuckin' wave of Babylon, not kowtowing to socially conservative constructs and ideologies. Part of the magic of the plank is that it is a subversive activity. We are, with every push, expressing our disdain for the asinine policies created by the establishment. If JC is your personal savior, that's fine with me, but you should not be pushing your beliefs with your public platform, only badass skateboarding. We don't come to this show, the skateboard spectacle to hear what Sammy Baca thinks about Israel or Nick Trapasso thinks about health care reform or anyone's thoughts on creation or human sexuality. No offense to anyone, but I absolutely do not care to hear your opinions on these subjects. I wanna see some fuckin' nollie heels.
For the record, I have nothing but respect for JT and was merely joking before, not trying to outsmart anyone or flame anyone.
And though I hope that no one cares, but my wish is for skateboarding to stay antisocial, weird and evil.
amen. /end topic
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I don't hold anyone's personal beliefs against them as long as they're not pontificating from a self-declared morally superior high ground and telling others what is right. That's crossing the fuckin' line. The dudes yelling "Hail Satan" and acid dropping off of things are just as dumb, but maybe they get more of a pass because it's hard to believe that they're doing it in earnest--I mean, the payoff for them is the reaction of others... But for a sponsored skateboarder, even before getting good tricks on tape, his number one job is as a brand ambassador and public representative of the companies that he rides for. As such, he should absolutely have a filter on what kind of stuff he spews forth into the world. Even if he believes that gay people are all self-selecting "alternative lifestyles," perhaps especially so, he should not say it in a public forum because, beyond being straight up wrong, it's damaging to that skater's personal brand and reflects badly on his employers. Some of the rebukes and vilification here have been pretty thoughtless and unnecessarily harsh (cuz dudes are anonymously ganging up on one guy), but the essential idea is that, yes, the dude should not be behaving that way. It's weird, at the very least.
Young Josiah, maybe read some more books, practice openness and don't post on FB after strokin' it to the Old Testament. You're one sweater vest away from becoming a tre-flippin' Rick Santorum. Skateboarding is about freedom, riding the concrete fuckin' wave of Babylon, not kowtowing to socially conservative constructs and ideologies. Part of the magic of the plank is that it is a subversive activity. We are, with every push, expressing our disdain for the asinine policies created by the establishment. If JC is your personal savior, that's fine with me, but you should not be pushing your beliefs with your public platform, only badass skateboarding. We don't come to this show, the skateboard spectacle to hear what Sammy Baca thinks about Israel or Nick Trapasso thinks about health care reform or anyone's thoughts on creation or human sexuality. No offense to anyone, but I absolutely do not care to hear your opinions on these subjects. I wanna see some fuckin' nollie heels.
For the record, I have nothing but respect for JT and was merely joking before, not trying to outsmart anyone or flame anyone.
And though I hope that no one cares, but my wish is for skateboarding to stay antisocial, weird and evil.
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"being gay is a choice." people still think this?
you can't teach an old dog new tricks
And when I mean old, I mean stubborn
Unfortunately yes. And catching shit for it in public blows but oh well. It's NOT a choice, but what do I know? ;)
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"being gay is a choice." people still think this?
you can't teach an old dog new tricks
And when I mean old, I mean stubborn
Although I can't say that I think being gay is a choice, it's not like I absolutely believe the opposite either
Nothing is really absolute. I just think the latter makes more sense haha
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from reading this I think we can all agree that some serious dank chill times are needed to cool down this heat
pro graphic for mister gatlyn?
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from reading this I think we can all agree that some serious dank chill times are needed to cool down this heat
pro graphic for mister gatlyn?
(http://i43.tinypic.com/330tg69.jpg)
i would buy that board
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I'm only backing this dude because I've met him before and I can say that he doesn't think that way anymore. He grew up mentally in those 4 years. He's actually really down to earth
do a yo flip
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I'm only backing this dude because I've met him before and I can say that he doesn't think that way anymore. He grew up mentally in those 4 years. He's actually really down to earth
do a yo flip
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Holy shit. He looks like he's focusing it. Focus flip.
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Come on guys, you act like I'm all evil and shit for not believing in Christianity (all I said originally in this thread), but I can't be that evil, otherwise God would have cursed me with menstruation.
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Come on guys, you act like I'm all evil and shit for not believing in Christianity (all I said originally in this thread), but I can't be that evil, otherwise God would have cursed me with menstruation.
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"being gay is a choice." people still think this?
you can't teach an old dog new tricks
And when I mean old, I mean stubborn
Although I can't say that I think being gay is a choice, it's not like I absolutely believe the opposite either
Nothing is really absolute. I just think the latter makes more sense haha
I know someone who would disagree with you.
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I should have kept up with this thread. What Narcissus said is on point. The only thing I disagree with is that we shouldn't care about personal ideologies etc. Once some moron, like Josiah, decides to write some backwards shit on the internet, I can't help but take that into consideration when watching his skating. If people want to openly admit their opinions on things like homosexuality and religion, and they come off like Josiah has then fuck them. Why give people like that a spot in our community, which supposedly prides itself on being free and open minded?
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I really enjoyed both sides of the beating off commentary......
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"being gay is a choice." people still think this?
you can't teach an old dog new tricks
And when I mean old, I mean stubborn
Although I can't say that I think being gay is a choice, it's not like I absolutely believe the opposite either
Nothing is really absolute. I just think the latter makes more sense haha
I know someone who would disagree with you.
(http://i974.photobucket.com/albums/ae229/chilogyblog/ab.jpg)
haha yes, religious folk tend to believe in absolutes. Some atheists do too (the really dumb ones).
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"If being gay was a choice, there would be a LOT more of us. (It's that good.)" - some kid killing it in a YouTube argument.
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One of my best friends in growing up had a little brother (9 years old when I met him) that was already clearly gay. He was flamboyant, played with dolls (not action figures), would draw womens clothing instead of color in coloring books, and never got over the whole "girls are icky" thing. Low and behold, he "offically" came out of the closet around the age of 18. The funniest part of it is that their dad is a priest ;D
I got no problem with people being gay, but you can't try to tell me they "choose" to be gay.
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remember when we didn't know shit about skateboarders aside from their skateboarding? guy mariano was a crackhead for years and we didn't know until almost a decade later. can we go back to that? some kind of shit they have to sign where they have to delete their facebooks and instagrams so nobody knows what an asshole they are and we can just watch them skate?
jamie you're the puppet master (and i mean that as a positive), start pulling the strings.
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I don't hold anyone's personal beliefs against them as long as they're not pontificating from a self-declared morally superior high ground and telling others what is right. That's crossing the fuckin' line. The dudes yelling "Hail Satan" and acid dropping off of things are just as dumb, but maybe they get more of a pass because it's hard to believe that they're doing it in earnest--I mean, the payoff for them is the reaction of others... But for a sponsored skateboarder, even before getting good tricks on tape, his number one job is as a brand ambassador and public representative of the companies that he rides for. As such, he should absolutely have a filter on what kind of stuff he spews forth into the world. Even if he believes that gay people are all self-selecting "alternative lifestyles," perhaps especially so, he should not say it in a public forum because, beyond being straight up wrong, it's damaging to that skater's personal brand and reflects badly on his employers. Some of the rebukes and vilification here have been pretty thoughtless and unnecessarily harsh (cuz dudes are anonymously ganging up on one guy), but the essential idea is that, yes, the dude should not be behaving that way. It's weird, at the very least.
Young Josiah, maybe read some more books, practice openness and don't post on FB after strokin' it to the Old Testament. You're one sweater vest away from becoming a tre-flippin' Rick Santorum. Skateboarding is about freedom, riding the concrete fuckin' wave of Babylon, not kowtowing to socially conservative constructs and ideologies. Part of the magic of the plank is that it is a subversive activity. We are, with every push, expressing our disdain for the asinine policies created by the establishment. If JC is your personal savior, that's fine with me, but you should not be pushing your beliefs with your public platform, only badass skateboarding. We don't come to this show, the skateboard spectacle to hear what Sammy Baca thinks about Israel or Nick Trapasso thinks about health care reform or anyone's thoughts on creation or human sexuality. No offense to anyone, but I absolutely do not care to hear your opinions on these subjects. I wanna see some fuckin' nollie heels.
For the record, I have nothing but respect for JT and was merely joking before, not trying to outsmart anyone or flame anyone.
And though I hope that no one cares, but my wish is for skateboarding to stay antisocial, weird and evil.
agreed on all points. chuuuuuch.
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Yeah it is choice to be gay. You choose to have really awkward family fights with parents, being bullied at school, get beaten by fascists, being socially discriminated, being afraid to express your love in public etc. Fuck i need some adrenaline pump in my life i am gonna be gay. Idiots get the fuck off the planet.
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remember when we didn't know shit about skateboarders aside from their skateboarding? guy mariano was a crackhead for years and we didn't know until almost a decade later. can we go back to that? some kind of shit they have to sign where they have to delete their facebooks and instagrams so nobody knows what an asshole they are and we can just watch them skate?
jamie you're the puppet master (and i mean that as a positive), start pulling the strings.
yeah, thats one way. or you could, ya know... not go on slap everyday/dont follow pros on facebook or instagram
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"Well i know womens menstrual cycle is a curse due to sin."
I know the truth about a higher power and the afterlife, etc cannot be truly known, but dude, the cause of menstruation is pretty well documented BY SCIENCE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_cycle) (look at the 'Experience' section, quick before they edit it)
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remember when we didn't know shit about skateboarders aside from their skateboarding? guy mariano was a crackhead for years and we didn't know until almost a decade later. can we go back to that? some kind of shit they have to sign where they have to delete their facebooks and instagrams so nobody knows what an asshole they are and we can just watch them skate?
jamie you're the puppet master (and i mean that as a positive), start pulling the strings.
yeah, thats one way. or you could, ya know... not go on slap everyday/dont follow pros on facebook or instagram
how poignant. you got me.
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"Well i know womens menstrual cycle is a curse due to sin."
I know the truth about a higher power and the afterlife, etc cannot be truly known, but dude, the cause of menstruation is pretty well documented BY SCIENCE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_cycle) (look at the 'Experience' section, quick before they edit it)
But science is man made, all the other crap is made by like a god who is like awesome and all knowing and stuff.
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In a basic sense, if people don't want to have their religion mocked, they shouldn't throw it in people's faces. Laws based on religion, people who come up to you on the street and try to make you feel like less of a person for not sharing their ignorant and hateful beliefs.
I would have stopped my shit if Jamie, who "believes" in the bible but exploits foreign labor and keeps his wealth for himself, didn't talk shit to me for saying that I don't believe in the same bullshit book that has been used to repress gays, keep women in subservient positions, and defend the legal standing of slavery and the genocide of Native Americans. Sorry, but I'm not an asshole like you. Also, when I'm talking shit, I get down, and don't come in with the fake victim nice guy bullshit.
And Jamie, they should have never put you in Thrasher again after you fucked Tommy Guerrero's girl. That's a legend G, have some respect.
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this is fucking insane. ISUCK!, I can't believe you choose to pay and support someone with these beliefs.
I am not religious, but I know Christians who hold being a good person as their main responsibility to do good by God in their eyes, but this is just primitive and horrific thinking.
Shame on you, seriously.
I'm in my early 30's and am relatively successful and business savvy. not only is this a poor business choice, it's a poor personal one as well.
There's a saying that goes something like 'you are the company you keep'
I have lost a lot of respect for Blackbox.
He didn't send me this post when he introduced himself, so ive never read this til now; this is 4 years old and he doesn't spout off about this stuff anymore; he either grew up a bit or his views have progressed; he's 21 now and trying to figure it out. better late than never
gipper, wow man; you're going for it! i'm definitely down to get down, your claims about my views and business practices are false.
your tommy g dirt is 17 years old and missing a back story, but I'm always down to re-visit 90's; skateboarding was sick back then
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can we get the backstory? still got 4 more hours of work to get through
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Right, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife...unless there's a good back story.
Oh, and where are black box decks made? Is Mexico a part of the U.S. these days? Just explain where blackbox products are made, and if its not the U.S., show that you pay the same and give the same economic benefits to your workers down there as they used to up here.
Also, have you given away all of your possessions to the poor as the Jesus commanded in the bible? If that's true, good for you. I doubt it is.
I mean, you are accusing me of lying, what do I say that is untruthful?
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wow.
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fucking hell , kids should see this thread . Gatlyn is more contriversal and hijinxy then Dixon fighting a NFL player drunk and high on a plane while wearing a clown suit
Giving shit to somebody for stuff 4 years old is pretty bad . If Gatlyn is a smarter kid now then Ill back him like befor . Bringing up shit from 17 years ago is wack as fuck . fucking 17 year ago . If some dude was a neo nazi 17 years ago , but today is a nice guy helping ppl out or just living his life like a good person not hating anyone . How long should he get shit for that ? shouldnt we be suportive he changed ?
ISUCK is on point like always . well , most times
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Monty Burns, read the thread. The reason the 4 year old posts were brought up was because he still is spitting misogynistic bullshit today. The argument of a reformed neo nazi doesn't work. The better metaphor would be "If a guy was spitting neo-nazi bullshit today, and it was found that he had a history of this that went back for years, should you hold him responsible for the shit he said years ago?" Or for the TG thing "A neo nazi who hurt people 17 years ago shouldn't be criticized if he claims there is a backstory."
Jamie's TG shit could have faded, if he didn't come into every thread and talk down with his holier-than-thou attitude anytime him or his riders are slightly criticized. He flipped out on a kid in this thread for making a joke about Jamie's claim about turning off Josiah's hot water. You act like we need to only say respectful things to you for some reason, but you went and fucked an OG bones brigade member and founder of deluxe's girl.
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this is getting a little out of hand,
Slave is not Jamie's company, and he did not come up with the name.
the dukes of hazard county flew the confederate flag and they weren't racist, in fact they were fucking rad!
Josiah has admitted to being a sheltered kid who didn't always know what he was saying. He's also really passionate about everything and is obviously gonna put shit on facebook about it. like everyone else who grew up with that shit. cut him some fucking slack! (but not too much, i think he needs more hazing)
now listen ronald wilson reagan, I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, but let's put some shit into perspective.
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Jamie's TG shit could have faded, if he didn't come into every thread and talk down with his holier-than-thou attitude anytime him or his riders are slightly criticized. He flipped out on a kid in this thread for making a joke about Jamie's claim about turning off Josiah's hot water. You act like we need to only say respectful things to you for some reason, but you went and fucked an OG bones brigade member and founder of deluxe's girl.
Gipper, you always come close to making a point and then burying it in shit like this. Some shit that happened a couple decades ago that has clearly been settled since then has absolutely nothing to do with the argument at hand. You're starting to sound like a TV pundit.
And so what if Jamie flipped out. Lame for sure, but act like a grown ass man and take the high road. Don't bring up some shit that happened a couple decades ago that doesn't affect you or anybody else in the argument in the slightest.
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I'm sorry, Jamie is a prophet and can talk all the shit and give all the holier-than-thou attitude he wants to anybody without any discussion of the areas he is not, I forgot. That's why the admins took down posts talking honest shit about him a little while back that resulted him coming on the site in the first place, because Jamie Thomas gets special treatment. Comparing this shit talking to even other recent shit talking is a joke.
I don't remember anybody going onto the Josh Swindell thread claiming it was 20 years ago and he did his time, but when the pro in question actually comes on the board, we can't dare hurt his feelings about doing something terrible.
Watch when Gator comes on here... "Dude, he did his time, it was like 23 years ago and who hasn't been heartbroken and wanted to beat to death a girl that reminded them of their ex-girlfriend!"
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I dont think that shit compares gipper . Anyways shits getting way to serius with all the religion talk and what not .
Ill bow out here with the last thoughts that I like Gatlyns skating and hope he is not a homophobe anymore and that living in LA / Miami shows him that there is more to life then hating on what ppl do with thier personal lifes or something
or that Jamie shows him that .
And with that . Fuck homophobes
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I'm sorry, Jamie is a prophet and can talk all the shit and give all the holier-than-thou attitude he wants to anybody without any discussion of the areas he is not, I forgot. That's why the admins took down posts talking honest shit about him a little while back that resulted him coming on the site in the first place, because Jamie Thomas gets special treatment. Comparing this shit talking to even other recent shit talking is a joke.
I don't remember anybody going onto the Josh Swindell thread claiming it was 20 years ago and he did his time, but when the pro in question actually comes on the board, we can't dare hurt his feelings about doing something terrible.
Watch when Gator comes on here... "Dude, he did his time, it was like 23 years ago and who hasn't been heartbroken and wanted to beat to death a girl that reminded them of their ex-girlfriend!"
gipper, I started one of the threads that Jamie had taken down, so trust me, I didn't forget. I've had several frank discussions with Jamie and he's always been honest and straight forward with me. For the most part I back the guy and think he's pretty stand up.
As far as you go, I'm usually on your side and back what you have to say, I just think this time you've strayed a bit. That's it, and obviously that's just my opinion.
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I don't hold anyone's personal beliefs against them as long as they're not pontificating from a self-declared morally superior high ground and telling others what is right. That's crossing the fuckin' line. The dudes yelling "Hail Satan" and acid dropping off of things are just as dumb, but maybe they get more of a pass because it's hard to believe that they're doing it in earnest--I mean, the payoff for them is the reaction of others... But for a sponsored skateboarder, even before getting good tricks on tape, his number one job is as a brand ambassador and public representative of the companies that he rides for. As such, he should absolutely have a filter on what kind of stuff he spews forth into the world. Even if he believes that gay people are all self-selecting "alternative lifestyles," perhaps especially so, he should not say it in a public forum because, beyond being straight up wrong, it's damaging to that skater's personal brand and reflects badly on his employers. Some of the rebukes and vilification here have been pretty thoughtless and unnecessarily harsh (cuz dudes are anonymously ganging up on one guy), but the essential idea is that, yes, the dude should not be behaving that way. It's weird, at the very least.
Young Josiah, maybe read some more books, practice openness and don't post on FB after strokin' it to the Old Testament. You're one sweater vest away from becoming a tre-flippin' Rick Santorum. Skateboarding is about freedom, riding the concrete fuckin' wave of Babylon, not kowtowing to socially conservative constructs and ideologies. Part of the magic of the plank is that it is a subversive activity. We are, with every push, expressing our disdain for the asinine policies created by the establishment. If JC is your personal savior, that's fine with me, but you should not be pushing your beliefs with your public platform, only badass skateboarding. We don't come to this show, the skateboard spectacle to hear what Sammy Baca thinks about Israel or Nick Trapasso thinks about health care reform or anyone's thoughts on creation or human sexuality. No offense to anyone, but I absolutely do not care to hear your opinions on these subjects. I wanna see some fuckin' nollie heels.
For the record, I have nothing but respect for JT and was merely joking before, not trying to outsmart anyone or flame anyone.
And though I hope that no one cares, but my wish is for skateboarding to stay antisocial, weird and evil.
I agree with a lot of this, but why shouldn't he express his opinion, even if it is a misinformed one? He doesn't seem to be encouraging violence, so unless his sponsors proactively try to censor him, let him say whatever he wants and his career can sink or sail with his skating and backwards opinions.
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I'm sorry, Jamie is a prophet and can talk all the shit and give all the holier-than-thou attitude he wants to anybody without any discussion of the areas he is not, I forgot. That's why the admins took down posts talking honest shit about him a little while back that resulted him coming on the site in the first place, because Jamie Thomas gets special treatment. Comparing this shit talking to even other recent shit talking is a joke.
I don't remember anybody going onto the Josh Swindell thread claiming it was 20 years ago and he did his time, but when the pro in question actually comes on the board, we can't dare hurt his feelings about doing something terrible.
Watch when Gator comes on here... "Dude, he did his time, it was like 23 years ago and who hasn't been heartbroken and wanted to beat to death a girl that reminded them of their ex-girlfriend!"
Murder, potentially a hate crime, of which a current pro enjoying celebrity status may have been a part of is worth discussion. A teenager sleeping with someone's girlfriend 17 years ago, which both parties have made enough amends that one of them rides for one of their companies is just stupid. Especially in a discussion about Josiah Gatlyn's mouth diarrhea.
And the shit that happened with Jamie and SLAP was also years ago, and policies have since been put in place so that stuff like that won't happen anymore.
Yes, pro dick suckery happens a lot on here. No, it doesn't have anything to do with the current discussion. Hell, a couple people called out Jamie's hissy fit already.
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damn jamie thomas got botox?
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Right, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife...unless there's a good back story.
Oh, and where are black box decks made? Is Mexico a part of the U.S. these days? Just explain where blackbox products are made, and if its not the U.S., show that you pay the same and give the same economic benefits to your workers down there as they used to up here.
Also, have you given away all of your possessions to the poor as the Jesus commanded in the bible? If that's true, good for you. I doubt it is.
I mean, you are accusing me of lying, what do I say that is untruthful?
damn dude, you alright?
interesting, you're holding me to verses and commandments from a book that you don't even believe in.
I'm a believer, but I've never pretended to be a saint or even a role model christian; I'm as flawed as the next dude and wholeheartedly admit that.
I also believe in freedom of and freedom from religion; I'm not trying to force my views on anyone. you were just acting like a dick for no reason, so I commented on it. my comments were so subtle, but for some reason you got insulted and felt the need to drag up a bunch of shit that you've seen covered on these boards time and time again to attempt to show how lame I am...
once again, here's a rebuttal to your allegations;
Regarding labor; like 99% of skateboard brands we get our products made in areas where the labor is more affordable because the cost of living is lower. This 'has' to be done so the brands can survive.
I've visited these factories and the employees have good working conditions and they're hyped to have these jobs. In the hay-day all of boards were made in the US because we could afford it. As I recall you're educated and even a school teacher; seems crazy you're coming at me for this with actual knowledge of how world trade works. Deluxe, Kayo, Element/Plan B, Dwindle, Girl/Choc and Alien are all made in mex or China; not sure I see your point how I'm the asshole. maybe your point is everyone that doesn't get 100% of there products made in the US are assholes. seems real idealistic but cool if that's your opinion.
...for the record, I never called you a liar; not sure why you're so sensitive. I was merely saying I'm not exploiting shit and i'm definitely not getting wealthy. I'm feeling the struggle and pressure of these times just like everyone else; sometimes even more so, because I have the responsibility of making sure our company can continue to support 70 employees, 50 sponsored skateboarders and skateboarding as a whole...
regarding your tommy g dirt;
when I was 18 I got played by a chick that was also playing tommy and a host of other dudes.
she was telling us all there was nothing going on w the others and they were just friends...
turns out this was not the case, so everyone got duped
I have been married for over 15 years to the same girl I started dating in 1995. This is the adult i became, so you can bring up some shit I did when I was a kid if you want; but I'm thankful for the way things turned out and the lessons I've learned.
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To I Suck/Jamie Thomas, pretty positive you live in a 7 million dollar house. Can't really say times are tough when you got that going on.
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To I Suck/Jamie Thomas, pretty positive you live in a 7 million dollar house. Can't really say times are tough when you got that going on.
yeah. you better buy a 3million dollar house instantly in order to better match with economy. good thinking there, go on.
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I wonder why CEO's of other companies don't get publicly upset and start petty beefs on the internet.
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LOL this thread is a fucking gag! Please guys, leave the silly message board ranting to yours truly, all yall niggas is too old to be actin like this. What would your middle-aged adult peer group say?
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If you aren't so all about showing off your Christianity, stop putting it on products you sell, and stop hiring homophobic misogynists simply because they have the same "faith" as you, and stop telling people they aren't allowed to think the bible is bullshit. It doesn't make you a better person.
The actions you take with the people around you determine how good of a person you are, not obedience to a book. Religion is a substitute for actually being a good person. Your entire livelihood is based on selling the product of exploited labor, something which you intentionally made happen. Do you know why the cost of living is lower in Mexico? its not just a coincidence. America has been intervening in their economy for our advantage and their disadvantage from The Mexican American war to Porfirio Diaz to Nafta. You can say its how business is run and how you can compete, and that may be true, but it certainly is valuing profit and your personal success over the betterment of society, and nobody forced you to get into that industry.
You said you don't do that outright before I mentioned the Mexican factories, and now you say that you do it, but that its okay, but the whole way through, you were calling me a liar even though you knew damn well what I said was true, but did it in a way where you play some victim, and are still playing that card...
You aren't rich? The average household income in the U.S. last year was about $50k. How do you compare to that with your modest profits as entrepreneur of the year? I'm sure that award is given to people who have made only modest amounts of money in business, right? I'm sure you don't have a dime to spare.
Again though, I'm sure I'm the disturbed liar for somehow thinking that you made hella money. Just admit it, you got plenty of money, but the part in the bible that calls for complete self-sacrifice for the needy is something you just aren't into.
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my feelings are hurt just reading these things.
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If you aren't so all about showing off your Christianity, stop putting it on products you sell, and stop hiring homophobic misogynists simply because they have the same "faith" as you, and stop telling people they aren't allowed to think the bible is bullshit. It doesn't make you a better person.
The actions you take with the people around you determine how good of a person you are, not obedience to a book. Religion is a substitute for actually being a good person. Your entire livelihood is based on selling the product of exploited labor, something which you intentionally made happen. Do you know why the cost of living is lower in Mexico? its not just a coincidence. America has been intervening in their economy for our advantage and their disadvantage from The Mexican American war to Porfirio Diaz to Nafta. You can say its how business is run and how you can compete, and that may be true, but it certainly is valuing profit and your personal success over the betterment of society, and nobody forced you to get into that industry.
You said you don't do that outright before I mentioned the Mexican factories, and now you say that you do it, but that its okay, but the whole way through, you were calling me a liar even though you knew damn well what I said was true, but did it in a way where you play some victim, and are still playing that card...
You aren't rich? The average household income in the U.S. last year was about $50k. How do you compare to that with your modest profits as entrepreneur of the year? I'm sure that award is given to people who have made only modest amounts of money in business, right? I'm sure you don't have a dime to spare.
Again though, I'm sure I'm the disturbed liar for somehow thinking that you made hella money. Just admit it, you got plenty of money, but the part in the bible that calls for complete self-sacrifice for the needy is something you just aren't into.
you take everything i say twist out of context in order to build your case.
you have no idea what I support, how much money i make or have made or where my money or goes, yet you feel you have it all figured out.
all you know about me is what you've heard; yet you have no problem slinging accusations around like they're facts and you know me.
your exaggerations and absolutes just make you look like a dick.
I'm assuming you skate or you wouldn't hang out here and talk shit; if so this means you're wearing shoes made in china, so i guess you're supporting this exploitation too. I'm down to be the scapegoat for all of mankind though if it helps your point.
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Jamie dont even try. You are an owner of a company profiting from underpaid labour. Whatever you say doesnt matter... Mexico China and my country probably are all getting fucked up for making a paradise for nice owners like you. Well FUCK YOU! for trying to defend yourself instead of stop talking.
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Whether it'll be religion or any other topic!
Apparently Josiah got a little wiser in the meantime. Let's hope!
With production in the US or any other developed country, the costs can be high.
As long as the people in the"so called" cheaper countries get a fair payment and good work conditions I see no problem.
A lot of industries went for cheaper countries to get the labor done. Some got a profit out of it , other came back to their homeland or neighboring countries regarding production.
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Gip, the personal attack is a weak debate tactic. You should know that.
All of that shiz has been covered a million times already. Just because Jamie makes purposely makes himself so accessible doesn't give you a free pass to just wholesale attack the dude.
If anyone wants to discuss grown up shit, do it in a grown up manner. Otherwise, let's just talk about what dude is switching truck sponsors or how sick Dennis's switch front crook was or that fuckin' Workshop part--wow.
This thread sucks.
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Since we're on the topic of Blackbox. How're fallens now? I haven't had a pair in a long ass time, what're the insoles like?
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can't we just close this dumb thread
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Since we're on the topic of Blackbox. How're fallens now? I haven't had a pair in a long ass time, what're the insoles like?
They make good shoes. I think both the Rival cup and Forte vulc are highly excellent soles. The premium shoes have good insoles, but you should not skate in the stock Forte insole. Put something cushier in there and you're golden.
JT, make more colorways of the Forte Mid, that shoe's the jam.
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To I Suck/Jamie Thomas, pretty positive you live in a 7 million dollar house. Can't really say times are tough when you got that going on.
i wish you were right, I'd sell that shit and move black box to alabama...
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Hey Jamie I can borrow a milli right? I got some shit I need to buy.
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ZERO HAS AN ANTI-GAY AGENDA
CONTACT THE LGBT IMMEDIATELY!
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Damn... religion, sexual-orientation & rights, and (economic) politics?
This thread is like a bullet point list on how to get in a fight with your girlfriends father at the thanksgiving table.
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Since we're on the topic of Blackbox. How're fallens now? I haven't had a pair in a long ass time, what're the insoles like?
not that good, hopefully in the future they upgrade. But other than that, most of the shoes hold up well.
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Damn... religion, sexual-orientation & rights, and (economic) politics?
This thread is like a bullet point list on how to get in a fight with your girlfriends father at the thanksgiving table.
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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I think I just trolled myself.
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IN SKANDINAVIA WE HAVE POLARBEARS AND WE BURN CHURCHES.
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Since we're on the topic of Blackbox. How're fallens now? I haven't had a pair in a long ass time, what're the insoles like?
not that good, hopefully in the future they upgrade. But other than that, most of the shoes hold up well.
i skate the easy, the new slash model, at the moment and i gotta say that the insole/sole/whatever is damn comfy, my old feet feel at home there. highly recommended.
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Damn... religion, sexual-orientation & rights, and (economic) politics?
This thread is like a bullet point list on how to get in a fight with your girlfriends father at the thanksgiving table.
ahahahahahhHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Damn i cant control myself when i strongly disaggree with someone even if he's my girlfriend's father. I ve created some of the best awkward family moments in my life. Family dinners are the best and old people are the worst.
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I think I just trolled myself.
The Gipper admitting defeat?!?!? This thread belongs in Classic Slap.
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If you truly and wholly consider yourself a Christian and adhere to that ideal then you should really read this:
I'm Christian Unless You're Gay.
http://www.danoah.com/2011/11/im-christian-unless-youre-gay.html (http://www.danoah.com/2011/11/im-christian-unless-youre-gay.html)
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So... I have a feeling this thread won't be mentioned on Forum Feeder.
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If you aren't so all about showing off your Christianity, stop putting it on products you sell, and stop hiring homophobic misogynists simply because they have the same "faith" as you, and stop telling people they aren't allowed to think the bible is bullshit. It doesn't make you a better person.
The actions you take with the people around you determine how good of a person you are, not obedience to a book. Religion is a substitute for actually being a good person. Your entire livelihood is based on selling the product of exploited labor, something which you intentionally made happen. Do you know why the cost of living is lower in Mexico? its not just a coincidence. America has been intervening in their economy for our advantage and their disadvantage from The Mexican American war to Porfirio Diaz to Nafta. You can say its how business is run and how you can compete, and that may be true, but it certainly is valuing profit and your personal success over the betterment of society, and nobody forced you to get into that industry.
You said you don't do that outright before I mentioned the Mexican factories, and now you say that you do it, but that its okay, but the whole way through, you were calling me a liar even though you knew damn well what I said was true, but did it in a way where you play some victim, and are still playing that card...
You aren't rich? The average household income in the U.S. last year was about $50k. How do you compare to that with your modest profits as entrepreneur of the year? I'm sure that award is given to people who have made only modest amounts of money in business, right? I'm sure you don't have a dime to spare.
Again though, I'm sure I'm the disturbed liar for somehow thinking that you made hella money. Just admit it, you got plenty of money, but the part in the bible that calls for complete self-sacrifice for the needy is something you just aren't into.
you take everything i say twist out of context in order to build your case.
you have no idea what I support, how much money i make or have made or where my money or goes, yet you feel you have it all figured out.
all you know about me is what you've heard; yet you have no problem slinging accusations around like they're facts and you know me.
your exaggerations and absolutes just make you look like a dick.
I'm assuming you skate or you wouldn't hang out here and talk shit; if so this means you're wearing shoes made in china, so i guess you're supporting this exploitation too. I'm down to be the scapegoat for all of mankind though if it helps your point.
LIKE JESUS????
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This thread is fucking horrible. Josiah fucking rips and The Chief has nothing to prove to anyone.
I, for one, am fucking stoked for Cold War!
Zero Skateboards: Cold War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYNfnGQark#)
What's the word for the release date I SUCK!
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This thread is fucking horrible. Josiah fucking rips and The Chief has nothing to prove to anyone.
I, for one, am fucking stoked for Cold War!
Zero Skateboards: Cold War (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYNfnGQark#)
What's the word for the release date I SUCK!
I also am extremely excited for this video. It'll probly be a gamechanger. cant fucking wait!
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Wooooooooooow! That is one of the biggest CIA beams I have seen in a while. Josiah GAYlyn, welcome to the piece of shit tier of skaters.
You are right up there with the douche baggery of Steve Berra, Jereme Rogers, pre-2010 Ryan Sheckler.
As for the Slap PALS that try and defend Josiah because he is good at skateboarding. Well, having some talent on a skateboard doesn't stop you for being an ass-hat.
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Damn, i've been checking this thread since it was one page. Some serious butt-hurtage going on here. Why can't we all just get along?
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Jay and Silent Bob The Internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiPbxvHp6ng&feature=fvst#)
that's all i have to contribute.
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Jay and Silent Bob The Internet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiPbxvHp6ng&feature=fvst#)
that's all i have to contribute.
Jay and Silent Bob - "What the f*** is the Internet?" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2LpJAD5AqQ#ws)
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Damn, i've been checking this thread since it was one page. Some serious butt-hurtage going on here. Why can't we all just get along?
We can.
Apart from gays and women, sinful bastards.
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non-believers too. They live an eternity of torture and anguish after life. Isn't God great...and not petty at all...
Oh, and I wouldn't say I "lost" the argument. I just didn't feel like continuing it because it was going in circles.
And Jamie, you fucking idiot, I'm a conscious consumer, but we have no choice but to buy foreign goods anymore because of imperialist asshole producers like you. The producer and distributor have far more control in terms of what products are made available to the public than consumer. That's why when a producer who decides to export production opens himself to conversation, its important to tell that person they are a fucking terrible human being who is screwing our economy and foreign economies for his personal gain. I don't want you to be the scapegoat for all of humanity, just not a human slave driver for it, even though, yes, I know the bible endorses and sets guidelines for slavery, but its still not right. See, understanding the bible doesn't mean shit if your life is spent profiting off of slavery.
In the U.S. there are actual safety inspectors for factories, not just random tours for ceo's every now and then to make sure you think things are going right, or give you plausible deniability when people call you out. Let's just put it this way, don't put any of that patriotic shit out anymore, because profits are more important to you than the society you live in, and exporting manufacturing is a great way to destroy it.
And don't give us that shit like you couldn't retire to backwoods ass Alabama. The Klan will sell you a house for like $5 in the backwoods there. You could go back and retire there I bet, but you probably have the push of the business man's greed. You think you can make more so you stick with it.
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Haven't even been on Slap in like a week, I'm glad to see that you guys are still keeping it classy! ;D
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I'm a conscious consumer, but we have no choice but to buy foreign goods anymore because of imperialist asshole producers like you. The producer and distributor have far more control in terms of what products are made available to the public than consumer. That's why when a producer who decides to export production opens himself to conversation, its important to tell that person they are a fucking terrible human being who is screwing our economy and foreign economies for his personal gain.
But what about comparative advantage man? I'm mean if this stuff is so bad, why does it have so much support from mainstream economists; why do 90% of economists think the US should not restrict employers from outsourcing work to foreign countries?
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non-believers too. They live an eternity of torture and anguish after life. Isn't God great...and not petty at all...
Oh, and I wouldn't say I "lost" the argument. I just didn't feel like continuing it because it was going in circles.
And Jamie, you fucking idiot, I'm a conscious consumer, but we have no choice but to buy foreign goods anymore because of imperialist asshole producers like you. The producer and distributor have far more control in terms of what products are made available to the public than consumer. That's why when a producer who decides to export production opens himself to conversation, its important to tell that person they are a fucking terrible human being who is screwing our economy and foreign economies for his personal gain. I don't want you to be the scapegoat for all of humanity, just not a human slave driver for it, even though, yes, I know the bible endorses and sets guidelines for slavery, but its still not right. See, understanding the bible doesn't mean shit if your life is spent profiting off of slavery.
In the U.S. there are actual safety inspectors for factories, not just random tours for ceo's every now and then to make sure you think things are going right, or give you plausible deniability when people call you out. Let's just put it this way, don't put any of that patriotic shit out anymore, because profits are more important to you than the society you live in, and exporting manufacturing is a great way to destroy it.
And don't give us that shit like you couldn't retire to backwoods ass Alabama. The Klan will sell you a house for like $5 in the backwoods there. You could go back and retire there I bet, but you probably have the push of the business man's greed. You think you can make more so you stick with it.
Although I understand a lot of what you're saying, and agree with it, I have a couple points:
1) capitalism and the way society is set up, one could argue, is inherently evil. Ya know, even if production was in the U.S., Jamie would still be making money off the hard work of his employees. And an employer cannot afford to pay an employee a fair wage, otherwise he would not turn a profit; the employees have to be worth more than what you pay them.
2) You come at Jamie for believing in something, calling him holier-than-thou or self-righteous, and have you ever stopped to look at yourself? You seem all high and mighty scrutinizing a business man when you yourself as a consumer only perpetuate this kind of shit. What steps have you taken to fight for 'human rights'?
3) And you have no choice but to buy foreign goods? Don't make me laugh. Virtually everything - hell, all of your necessities - you need to buy can be bought from domestic manufacturers. It's going to probably cost you more, but if you feel so strongly about this issue, then I don't see why you wouldn't buy domestic.
4) Do you buy food that hasn't been grown locally? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? Did you know that about 30% of our nation's oil consumption comes from the transportation of food? Jesus, you ignorant fuck! Buy local, god dammit! You don't need bananas and avocados 365 days a year, you prick.
5) Do you ride skateboards? YOU FUCK! You know, it's pretty immoral to add to the massive deforestation just so you can ride a fucking plank of wood. Jesus, man, you know, we have an obligation to future generations, that we would bequeath to them the necessary primary goods for them to live a satisfying existence. You're endangering their chances of having an adequate standard of living just so your can ride a wooden toy?
See what's going on? You really have no right to shit on him when we're all pretty shitty human beings.
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capitalism is all jamie thomas' fault
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^ So because he can't control all of capitalism he shouldn't act honestly or morally in his own business practices? Get Jamie's cock out of your mouth and start using your goddamned brain for something aside from fantasies of him.
And Victor, bullshit. You aren't allowed to speak out against immoral practices unless you are perfect? Martin Luther King cheated on his wife, did that mean he didn't have the right to criticize social ills in the U.S? I'm not saying I'm like him at all, but the point is, even he had flaws, and by your standard, he couldn't even criticize others. A person who exploits on a mass level should be given a pass because other people aren't perfect either?
And yeah, obviously capitalism is immoral, and ths refers to fifth column's point too, but it can at least work if you have a manufacturing base, which historians have made clear, is a basis for widely distributed economic growth and international economic power. Or you can listen to short sighted modern economists who are trying to figure out reasons that history is wrong and "things are different now" by looking at short term, small picture cycles and projections. I doubt the 90% number you mention is correct either, as there isn't anything 90% of any social scientists agree on and there are plenty of economists who agree that a solid and healthy manufacturing base is the basis of a healthy and relatively egalitarian economy within a capitalist framework.
But again, this will turn into a circular logic game and in the end, Chief isn't going to reflect on this and consider changing his practices, he's just here for the PR purposes, so its a pointless circle.
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Cattle Decapitation - We Are Horrible People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO7PjBMTB3I#)
"Destroyers in nature
Its just the fabric of us, our mistakes feeble-minded
Moderate to severe - idiocy
The most intelligent creatures on the planet
An advanced civilization, which says nothing at all
Humans
Like US.
We, the people
We, the morons
Apparently non-educable idiots
We are horrible people
This is a fire
This is the gasoline
Insects attract to the flame
And turn to pitch all the same
Our presence here threatening
Habitats de-evolve a mutant parody
Our hands are hammers the earthen anvil
All life in between disinterred and destroyed
You looked into the eyes of the beast
You extended your hand in trust
It so graciously accepted the fate
Theres no honor in betrayal
O the savages, the ravagers of the pleading, standing there bleeding
Tears of the innocent - turned into mammalian dissidents
We the people we the terrible
The war has been waged
Us vs. them vs. life vs. cage
Inherently exiled from a life on an earth abundant with prosperity
O the hearts of men, their blood so thin with original sin
Tears of the innocent - turned into mammalian dissidents
Our presence here threatening
Habitats de-evolve a mutant parody
Our hands are hammers the earthen anvil
All life in between disinterred and destroyed
Destroyers in nature
Its just the fabric of us, our mistakes feeble-minded
Moderate to severe - idiocy
The most intelligent creatures on the planet
An advanced civilization, which says nothing at all
Humans
Like US.
We, the people
We, the morons
No single inferior race
Were all apparently idiots
We, the people, are horrible"
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^ So because he can't control all of capitalism he shouldn't act honestly or morally in his own business practices? Get Jamie's cock out of your mouth and start using your goddamned brain for something aside from fantasies of him.
And Victor, bullshit. You aren't allowed to speak out against immoral practices unless you are perfect? Martin Luther King cheated on his wife, did that mean he didn't have the right to criticize social ills in the U.S? I'm not saying I'm like him at all, but the point is, even he had flaws, and by your standard, he couldn't even criticize others. A person who exploits on a mass level should be given a pass because other people aren't perfect either?
And yeah, obviously capitalism is immoral, and ths refers to fifth column's point too, but it can at least work if you have a manufacturing base, which historians have made clear, is a basis for widely distributed economic growth and international economic power. Or you can listen to short sighted modern economists who are trying to figure out reasons that history is wrong and "things are different now" by looking at short term, small picture cycles and projections. I doubt the 90% number you mention is correct either, as there isn't anything 90% of any social scientists agree on and there are plenty of economists who agree that a solid and healthy manufacturing base is the basis of a healthy and relatively egalitarian economy within a capitalist framework.
But again, this will turn into a circular logic game and in the end, Chief isn't going to reflect on this and consider changing his practices, he's just here for the PR purposes, so its a pointless circle.
(I don't know if the 90% was at me or not...but I didn't say anything about 90%)
Historians, economics, social scientists, etc., are not philosophers, for starters. What they deem to be a respectable and most beneficial to the state of the nation, global economy and what have you, isn't necessarily really inline with a truly egalitarian society - albeit, what it truly means to be egalitarian is open for interpretation. Many people have different agendas, and many of these economists and such are just trying to figure out how to keep our consumer-based economy on the up. I don't want to get too much into that, but I hope you get my point.
All that aside, your MLK analogy doesn't fit that well. You say he cheated on his wife. Well, he's not out lynching whites, discriminating, and acting like a bigot. On the flip side, you perpetuate the very business practices that you despise. Fuck what I said about agriculture, or environmental ethics. If you believe what you're saying - and I hear what you're saying - you really have to step up, because actions speak louder than words. If you yourself support and give money to all the things that you are in opposition to, then who is really to blame for their power?
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I doubt the 90% number you mention is correct either, as there isn't anything 90% of any social scientists agree on and there are plenty of economists who agree that a solid and healthy manufacturing base is the basis of a healthy and relatively egalitarian economy within a capitalist framework.
The 90% number comes from a survey in the 90's
Alston, Richard M.; Kearl, J.R. and Vaughan, Michael B.
"Is There a Consensus among Economists in the 1990's"
American Economic Review, May 1992
It's also cited in "Principles of Economics" by N. Gregory Mankiw, which is a pretty widely used textbook.
There is also a survey in 2006 where "90.1% (of economists) disagree with the suggestion that the U.S. should restrict employers from outsourcing work to foreign countries":
Whaples, Robert.
"Do Economists Agree on Anything? Yes!"
The Economists' Voice, 2006
I'm not sure those citations were in correct format, but my point is that there is a broad consensus among economists in these matters. Almost every economic's teacher I've ever had has not only talked about how wonderful free trade is, but also how it is one of the few things economists across the spectrum see eye to eye on. I guess economics and history must be incompatible.
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The fact that JT comes on slap and even addresses these issues at all with you has to be something you respect gipper. I think the fact he even debates these subjects is something no other distributon owner would do. Would you say these same things to mike carrol, rick howard, jim thiebuad, mickey reyes, if they started to post? I dont see the point in singling out jamie for doing what is the general accepted practices going down in the skate industry today. Your responses just seem personal like he has directly wronged you before.
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cold war is a fucking stupid name for a video, I guess there is some 'edgy' christian spin on it...
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"Cold War" is a metaphor for the battle between Christianity and Islam.
Anders Behring Breivik graphic series coming soon!
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The fact that JT comes on slap and even addresses these issues at all with you has to be something you respect gipper. I think the fact he even debates these subjects is something no other distributon owner would do. Would you say these same things to mike carrol, rick howard, jim thiebuad, mickey reyes, if they started to post? I dont see the point in singling out jamie for doing what is the general accepted practices going down in the skate industry today. Your responses just seem personal like he has directly wronged you before.
Jim does post on occasion.
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all i learned from reading this thread, is that josiah is a dumb prick, but i knew that already. I have lost respect for the gipper for not practicing what he preaches. Jamie thomas should learn a bit about Nafta, but other than that. good thread gays
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I know how you feel guys , and I really enjoy the debate. For a long time in my life after going to Beverly High
I was an unemployed actor, but even after "Friends" I still felt like there was a yearning to behave and act properly.
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all i learned from reading this thread, is that josiah is a dumb prick, but i knew that already. I have lost respect for the gipper for not practicing what he preaches. Jamie thomas should learn a bit about Nafta, but other than that. good thread gays
I know how you feel guys , and I really enjoy the debate. For a long time in my life after going to Beverly High
I was an unemployed actor, but even after "Friends" I still felt like there was a yearning to behave and act properly.
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I know how you feel guys , and I really enjoy the debate. For a long time in my life after going to Beverly High
I was an unemployed actor, but even after "Friends" I still felt like there was a yearning to behave and act properly.
If it weren't for Joey or Chandler you would've been the lamest character.
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JT, do you want me to find and kick Ronald Wilson Reagan's boney ass? I can do it. I'm RIPPED. Get that money bro, make it rain on the haters.
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What I would give to feast my eyes upon your chiseled manliness....
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What I would give to feast my eyes upon your chiseled manliness....
ditto. I'm foaming at the mouth just thinking about it
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I'm a conscious consumer, but we have no choice but to buy foreign goods anymore because of imperialist asshole producers like you. The producer and distributor have far more control in terms of what products are made available to the public than consumer. That's why when a producer who decides to export production opens himself to conversation, its important to tell that person they are a fucking terrible human being who is screwing our economy and foreign economies for his personal gain.
But what about comparative advantage man? I'm mean if this stuff is so bad, why does it have so much support from mainstream economists; why do 90% of economists think the US should not restrict employers from outsourcing work to foreign countries?
Because if you say otherwise you become non-mainstream and instead of that you are called a communist, a conservative and a real scapegoat not like jamie drama king scapegoat. So you either support the system and the hand that feeds you or you get out of the spotlight.
There are also the opposite ideas but you wont hear them unless you look for them by yourself, because lets say the system likes you informed only from one side.
As simple as that.
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Feist - Let It Die (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob1CdTLDj10#)
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This has become a regular ad hominem fest. I do practice what I preach (explained later), but what I do personally actually doesn't relate to the factual merits of my argument, and doesn't actually affect social change on a large level in the way the changes a manufacturer could make.
The MLK metaphor works perfectly. He was out preaching about god's word and living a peaceful and holy life and he was out regularly breaking one of the ten commandments. It actually was used as a dig at him to make him seem like a hypocrite. Again though, it didn't stick, because people understand that his goal was much bigger, and it was still a completely legitimate goal.
The reason I give Jamie Thomas shit is because he is a PR man who attacks everybody who criticizes anything having to do with his company, including the fact that his team rider is broadcasting hateful bullshit over the internet, then has a thousand dick suckers back up his obnoxious attitude. Jim has NEVER come on here with that attitude. Fuck, the first time he PM'd me I told him to go fuck himself because I thought he was a fake and he laughed about it. Karl, Kalis, Cliff, Richie Jackson, none of them come on with that business man PR jock attitude. Hell, even when Kalis had Berra's back he talked it through, and people here were hostile as fuck on that. Jamie on the other hand comes on here and tells all these bullshit lies about poor Jamie Thomas (do any of you actually believe for half a second he isn't wealthy as fuck?) and the honest to goodness company he runs, then everytime somebody criticizes him he does this "I'm imperfect unlike you!" whiney bullshit where he turns it into an us against them thing instead of focusing on the issue. He doesn't discuss things honestly and he's insulting in his nature of doing it. Fuck him.
Fifth column- any pre-2008 economist survey is like a pre-9/11 defense survey. Opinions have changed over 6 years. Why do you think Obama and Rick Santorum both have restoring American manufacturing as centerpieces to their campaign? Because in 2008 people found out you DO need manufacturing and that our entire "financialized" economy that all those economists agreed on was a bullshit house of cards, just like in the 1920's and economists all agreed on some things that turned out to be bs. Would you give me a 1927 economic survey to show me what economists thought in 1933? Of course not. The standard belief today is that economists were wrong in thinking you could sustain an economy like ours without manufacturing, and that faulty assumptions like that led to the crash.
Now, in response to the unfounded, uunrelated ad hominem attacks. Practice what I preach? Do I manufacture abroad? That's the issue I'm talking about. I want more American products made available to consumers so even the least conscious consumer can support our economy and middle class job growth. I don't know why I am so evil and worthy of attacking for wanting that. Jamie doesn't want that, he wants profit, and is willing to sacrifice all of that for profit. It really is the epitome of going against Jesus's teachings on wealth too. Why side with that position- how does that benefit your perspective? Do you really think its cool to undermine our economy so he can have personal profits? As far as I know, its not a publicly traded company, and Chris Cole with 10% of zero is the only other owner, so how do you benefit by less available jobs in the country, the exporting of money, all for the profit of two people, and no other noticeable difference? Just explain why you think its so great Jamie has exported manufacturing of goods from our country, how it has a social benefit, or even how it personally benefits you. Because him continuing to make his shit using slaves (like a good Alabama boy who makes confederate logo gear) really has no positives at all aside from increased personal profit for poor old Jamie Thomas.
In terms of my consumption habits, although they are irrelevant to the validity of my argument about making more American manufactured products available, you guys don't actually have the first idea about my consumption habits. I'll admit some food I buy probably has issues, though I buy all of my produce at a local farmer's market. My apartment has almost no furniture, the stuff I have is all found. My clothes are all years old, I haven't bought new clothes in years. I still regularly rock an aesthetics shirt. I own virtually no electronics aside from a laptop. The bicycle I own was made out of parts of totalled bikes and a used frame. How exactly do you know I don't practice what I preach? Again, you can be conscious, but if you actually have tried to live a zero foreign goods lifestyle, you realize that its very difficult, as there are some things that just aren't made here, which is why it is important to work for more goods being manufactured here. If it was easy to do, there wouldn't really be any reason to call other manufacturers into action. This is the REAL reason you assumed I am a hypocrite, but really it just proves my point, you can't just do it, and even if you did, it would be difficult, and wouldn't actually create any sort of larger social change.
I don't see why you guys wouldn't want domestic manufacturing of the goods you buy. It creates jobs, it keeps money in our economy, it builds up the middle class.
Jamie Thomas is a classic capitalist pig.
Again, if a topic about the general manufacturing habits of board companies came up, plenty of people would be on my side, and wouldn't say wanting more boards manufactured here is hypocritical, but because you all want to be loved by Jamie, you attack the person telling the truth to a person who actually can make a change.
Sorry if I'm a person who says "You know how you exploit people and undermine our society for your own profits while simultaneously selling a good that claims to be spreading religious blessings? That's not ok."
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This has become a regular ad hominem fest. I do practice what I preach (explained later), but what I do personally actually doesn't relate to the factual merits of my argument, and doesn't actually affect social change on a large level in the way the changes a manufacturer could make.
The MLK metaphor works perfectly. He was out preaching about god's word and living a peaceful and holy life and he was out regularly breaking one of the ten commandments. It actually was used as a dig at him to make him seem like a hypocrite. Again though, it didn't stick, because people understand that his goal was much bigger, and it was still a completely legitimate goal.
The reason I give Jamie Thomas shit is because he is a PR man who attacks everybody who criticizes anything having to do with his company, including the fact that his team rider is broadcasting hateful bullshit over the internet, then has a thousand dick suckers back up his obnoxious attitude. Jim has NEVER come on here with that attitude. Fuck, the first time he PM'd me I told him to go fuck himself because I thought he was a fake and he laughed about it. Karl, Kalis, Cliff, Richie Jackson, none of them come on with that business man PR jock attitude. Hell, even when Kalis had Berra's back he talked it through, and people here were hostile as fuck on that. Jamie on the other hand comes on here and tells all these bullshit lies about poor Jamie Thomas (do any of you actually believe for half a second he isn't wealthy as fuck?) and the honest to goodness company he runs, then everytime somebody criticizes him he does this "I'm imperfect unlike you!" whiney bullshit where he turns it into an us against them thing instead of focusing on the issue. He doesn't discuss things honestly and he's insulting in his nature of doing it. Fuck him.
Fifth column- any pre-2008 economist survey is like a pre-9/11 defense survey. Opinions have changed over 6 years. Why do you think Obama and Rick Santorum both have restoring American manufacturing as centerpieces to their campaign? Because in 2008 people found out you DO need manufacturing and that our entire "financialized" economy that all those economists agreed on was a bullshit house of cards, just like in the 1920's and economists all agreed on some things that turned out to be bs. Would you give me a 1927 economic survey to show me what economists thought in 1933? Of course not. The standard belief today is that economists were wrong in thinking you could sustain an economy like ours without manufacturing, and that faulty assumptions like that led to the crash.
Now, in response to the unfounded, uunrelated ad hominem attacks. Practice what I preach? Do I manufacture abroad? That's the issue I'm talking about. I want more American products made available to consumers so even the least conscious consumer can support our economy and middle class job growth. I don't know why I am so evil and worthy of attacking for wanting that. Jamie doesn't want that, he wants profit, and is willing to sacrifice all of that for profit. It really is the epitome of going against Jesus's teachings on wealth too. Why side with that position- how does that benefit your perspective? Do you really think its cool to undermine our economy so he can have personal profits? As far as I know, its not a publicly traded company, and Chris Cole with 10% of zero is the only other owner, so how do you benefit by less available jobs in the country, the exporting of money, all for the profit of two people, and no other noticeable difference? Just explain why you think its so great Jamie has exported manufacturing of goods from our country, how it has a social benefit, or even how it personally benefits you. Because him continuing to make his shit using slaves (like a good Alabama boy who makes confederate logo gear) really has no positives at all aside from increased personal profit for poor old Jamie Thomas.
In terms of my consumption habits, although they are irrelevant to the validity of my argument about making more American manufactured products available, you guys don't actually have the first idea about my consumption habits. I'll admit some food I buy probably has issues, though I buy all of my produce at a local farmer's market. My apartment has almost no furniture, the stuff I have is all found. My clothes are all years old, I haven't bought new clothes in years. I still regularly rock an aesthetics shirt. I own virtually no electronics aside from a laptop. The bicycle I own was made out of parts of totalled bikes and a used frame. How exactly do you know I don't practice what I preach? Again, you can be conscious, but if you actually have tried to live a zero foreign goods lifestyle, you realize that its very difficult, as there are some things that just aren't made here, which is why it is important to work for more goods being manufactured here. If it was easy to do, there wouldn't really be any reason to call other manufacturers into action. This is the REAL reason you assumed I am a hypocrite, but really it just proves my point, you can't just do it, and even if you did, it would be difficult, and wouldn't actually create any sort of larger social change.
I don't see why you guys wouldn't want domestic manufacturing of the goods you buy. It creates jobs, it keeps money in our economy, it builds up the middle class.
Jamie Thomas is a classic capitalist pig.
Again, if a topic about the general manufacturing habits of board companies came up, plenty of people would be on my side, and wouldn't say wanting more boards manufactured here is hypocritical, but because you all want to be loved by Jamie, you attack the person telling the truth to a person who actually can make a change.
Sorry if I'm a person who says "You know how you exploit people and undermine our society for your own profits while simultaneously selling a good that claims to be spreading religious blessings? That's not ok."
Jesus fucking christ, you need to get off the internet. Take a break for a while.
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backin the gipper
also jamie is rich as fuck. dude has thousands invested in his own home gym w/ mirrors..
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This is what participation is all about gentlemen, as you can see Ronald is making a
clear point in what you can do when you type and use fingers such as ones you folks
have out there. It also reminds me of a time when I wasn't quite an actor yet and was
still testing out the ropes of a newborn society. As you can see Reagan I really enjoy
your topic and would like to offer you 25% off on my new book coming out 2013.
Also Mr. Reagan I would like to tell you of a time when I wasn't the top dog in a society
like you make speak of.
For one year, I worked as a web designer at a newspaper. This paper, which we'll call The Daily News, was in a little logging town, which we'll call Bumpkinville, about 40 miles north of the town I live in. The drive was mostly a stretch of 70 MPH freeway, so my commute was only about 35 minutes each way. Now, driving to Bumpkinville was like driving through a time machine that took you back 40 years. So it was a lot like the 50's there, minus the good parts. Remember the movie "Pleasantville"? Well, this was Unpleasantville.
Bumpkinville, being a logging town, had paper mills. Four of them. So the entire town always smelled like an old person's armpit. Therefore, anyone with any ambition or brains tended to get the hell out of there, meaning the city was basically made up of retired people, most of them nearly deaf from working in the mills for years without ear protection, and uneducated idiots just too stupid for life in the big city 50 miles to the south.
I was hired as part of the three-person Internet Department at the paper. It became clear early on that my boss, Kirk, knew nothing about the Internet. He had been the paper's owner's son's best friend all through school, and after stints as a Marine, a firefighter, and a financial controller for a southern California airport, Kirk wanted to move back to Bumpkinville. The owner's son offered him a job as Online Manager despite Kirk's complete ignorance of the Internet. After all, the owner's son was here on a free ride, so why not get his best buddy in line for the gravy train?
However, Kirk had one skill, sort of: The gift of bullshit. He could make the yokels actually believe that he knew what he was doing, despite much evidence to the contrary. He could lie all day long without stopping to take a breath. When he hired me, he told me that 200 people worked there. I found out later it was more like 110. One day, I asked him why the Advertising Department was still stuck with Photoshop version 4.0 on their machines while our department had 5.0. He went into a big speech about he really took care of things in our department, while the other departments were lax in this area. A few minutes later, I realized I had gotten it backwards. Advertising had 5.0, and we only had 4.0. When I told him, he gave me a blank stare, which is what he always did when he got caught in a big lie, which was often.
The other person in our department was a bright young girl named Karen. Being bright meant that she was overqualified for nearly any job in Bumpkinville, including this one, which was running an Internet Service Provider with 1800 customers. Since we were actually just an agent for a real ISP in the big city named Transport, and Transport was an incredibly unreliable provider, she spent most of the day on the phone with angry bumpkins. But she did her job well, and even went well beyond the call of duty at times.
Once, Karen agreed to represent our newspaper at a local "Safety Fair", manning a booth from 9 AM to 1 PM on a Saturday. Kirk was supposed to relieve her at 1 PM. He never showed up, so she was forced to stay there until the fair ended at 4 PM. When she asked Kirk what happened, he said, "Well, I looked at my watch and it was 1:30, and I figured you were out of there by then, so I didn't bother." This was typical for Kirk, an irresponsible, lying piece of human garbage with rich parents, who had basically spent his whole life avoiding education and actual work. I remember he always spent Thursday afternoons golfing with the owner's son before the new management took over.
Kirk was full of ignorant ideas befitting someone born and raised in Bumpkinville. At one point, he decided that we were going to "sell" our older, archived newspaper articles to the locals, like the LA Times does. He had me copy all the web pages relating to this from the LA Times website, changing the name of the newspaper to make it our own. He honestly believed the yokels would be willing to pay for past articles from our little turdtown newspaper. Naturally, that idea sank like a stone.
And it's just as well, because the paper never did get a secure server running to deal with e-commerce transactions anyway, despite Kirk always telling the customers that it was forthcoming. The Information Systems department at the paper was, of course, staffed by a bumpkin too.
Jay, an ugly, zit-covered loser from the IS department, had his own problems. Born and raised in Bumpkinville, Jay had made only one attempt to get out of town, which failed miserably. He was quite an accomplished computer geek, and a web-related company in the big city hired him. He lasted less than a day, returning to Bumpkinville in the afternoon and begging for his old job back.
Jay was one of only two people in the IS department and before long the other person left, making almost everyone in the company dependent upon Jay for computer support. He used this "power" to bestow favors on people who pretended to like him, while putting off those who refused to pretend. Naturally, I was in the latter group. One day, I had trouble with a Jaz drive in my computer at home. I removed it and needed to test it on a computer with a SCSI bus. I asked for Jay's help, but he told me he didn't have the time. I knew this would take all of about 5 minutes. After Jay dropped by our office later that day to talk to Karen about nothing in particular, and hanging out for 20 minutes or so, I began to understand what a lying little asswipe he was. So, later on, with Jay about 40 feet away in another department, I popped the top of my own computer and did all the testing myself, right behind his back. He never found out. Which was a good thing, because Jay was weirdly possessive about all the computers, and he would have freaked out. He considered himself my boss, which he wasn't, but he was such an incredible kiss-up to Kirk that he could get away with anything.
Jay had a complete lack of social skills. There was this really creepy way he'd get all giddy and excited every time he was around Kirk. You expected him to go down on Kirk at any moment, and he'd laugh out loud with this mulish braying every time Kirk said anything even halfway funny. This, combined with he and Kirk going out for long lunches together a lot, made a lot of people think he was queer. No wonder he lasted less than half a day in the big city. Here at The Daily News, he was hot shit. Once outside the building, however, he was just another lonely zit-faced freak. It was hard to believe that he had been married at one time, until you found out that he had impregnated his bride first. Not long before I started working there, she left him for some German guy she had met on the web but never met in real life, dropping off their daughter at Jay's mother's house and just disappearing for a while. I don't blame her. A judge, apparently recognizing Jay's many social handicaps, granted custody to Jay's ex-wife despite this.
Now, like all ugly losers who had been made shunned by nearly everyone while growing up, Jay had fantasies of being a policeman. When the paper was bought out by a conglomerate shortly after I was hired, they put up a firewall which was programmed to block any and all websites unsuitable for anyone under 18. This cut everyone in the building off from about a quarter of the web. I pointed this out to Kirk, and he laughed it off. No lazy little shit on a free ride like Kirk was going to make any waves with the new management. That was when I started looking for a new job. Eventually, reporters in the newsroom got the ban lifted by pointing out that they couldn't do much research with a huge chunk of the web off limits. The new management, which owned 11 other newspapers and should have known better, was amazingly stupid to have ever tried this in the first place.
This bothered Jay immensely. He hated the idea of not being able to control what his co-workers could or couldn't see on the internet. But the new management still had a partial firewall in place, sort of a "Net Nanny" that could log when one of their workers went to certain types of sites. They had it set to notify Jay whenever someone went to an adult site on their computer. Now, the program was capable of informing on all kinds of sites -- entertainment sites, racist sites, religious sites, gambling sites -- but the management chose only to inform on adult sites. I remember Jay showing me the two dozen or so types of sites that could be selected, and bitterly informing me that if it were up to him, they would ALL be checked. What a voyeuristic, ignorant freak. After all, it didn't affect Jay in any way where anyone surfed to on the web. He just loved the idea of playing web cop. It was an opportunity to get back at a world that made fun of him throughout his childhood. He'll make a good Republican someday.
One day, Jay and Kirk called me into their office to have a talk with me. I had visited one of the banned sites! Horrors! Now, "having a talk" with me was basically their only recourse. Firing me meant I could collect unemployment, so they were unwilling to do that. So they got together beforehand and made up some stupid story that was supposed to scare me. Jay went on about how at some places, anyone caught visiting a forbidden website was simply marched out of the building between two security guards and never allowed to return, no chance to tell his side of the story, no nothing. Right. It was a lot like two farm-boys telling me that I'd get mugged if I ever dared to venture into the big city. They could tell I wasn't buying it, which I'm sure bugged them to no end.
The thing about Bumpkinville was, it was such an incredibly undesirable place to live, you wondered what the problem was with people who chose to live there. But you didn't wonder for long. Nearly everyone I worked with had some odd quirk or nutty problem that made them unfit for the big city.
There was Kirk, with no work skills whatsoever, an irresponsible human leech. His best friend, the owner's son, left the company after the conglomerate took over, leaving Kirk with no future at the paper, which is a good match for his no skills. Even his wife, born and raised in Bumpkinville, wants to move back to California, showing that she has better sense than Kirk. Kirk is still working at the paper as of this writing although the Online department is supposedly going to be folded into the Marketing department, making him just another salesman instead of a department head. Apparently there's nobody for Kirk to leech off of in California.
There was Jay, who both looked and acted like a weasel, the company's digital Barney Fife. He was working 12 hour days when I left. Hey, why not? After all, at home there's nothing for him to do but pop zits and masturbate.
Their top ad salesman, a really nice and personable fellow named Scott, had this quirk: Whenever he laughed, he'd repeat the last thing he said while he was laughing. This would cause people who had never heard it before to look at each other with an expression on their face that said,"Did you hear that? What the hell is wrong with this guy?" It was just weird, and the type of thing that would make him a social outcast -- except in Bumpkinville.
This sort of thing was not limited to the employees of The Daily News, however; the yokels who signed up for web access were pretty much the same story. A normal looking guy would walk in, and you'd be glad that, finally, someone intelligent-looking was about to sign up with the ISP. Then he'd open his mouth to reveal missing teeth, or a harelip, or he'd express what a relief it was to finally be out of prison. Most of the women over 30 in Bumpkinville had long since given up on trying to look good, and mostly consisted of waddling, obese, stringy-haired hose-monsters with masculine facial features. Often, they would come in to cancel their account because their husband or boyfriend was headed to jail.
Just before I left The Daily News, the Marketing Manager left and was about to be replaced by a 26 year old squirt who's about 5 feet 6 and looks like he's 19. Most of the employees were calling him "Doogie" behind his back before he was even hired, but I saw Doogie walking around with the publisher one day wearing the same suit, which naturally caused me to label him with the moniker "Mini-Me". On my last day there, which was about three days before Mini-Me was to take over a department wherein everyone was much older (and taller) than he was, I saw that a box of business cards had been delivered to his desk. I took one out, crossed out his name and replaced it with the name "Mini-Me", and carefully placed it back into the box.
After nearly a year of employment in Bumpkinville, I finally got out of there. I was the 58th person to leave the company, out of 110 employees, since the new management had taken over 6 months earlier. So desperate was I to leave that I took a job as a temp for an internet start-up named iChristian.com. But that's another Unspeakably Stupid Story.
Thank you for your time Ronald, and I really hope you took my story to heart.
-Dave
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This has become a regular ad hominem fest. I do practice what I preach (explained later), but what I do personally actually doesn't relate to the factual merits of my argument, and doesn't actually affect social change on a large level in the way the changes a manufacturer could make.
The MLK metaphor works perfectly. He was out preaching about god's word and living a peaceful and holy life and he was out regularly breaking one of the ten commandments. It actually was used as a dig at him to make him seem like a hypocrite. Again though, it didn't stick, because people understand that his goal was much bigger, and it was still a completely legitimate goal.
The reason I give Jamie Thomas shit is because he is a PR man who attacks everybody who criticizes anything having to do with his company, including the fact that his team rider is broadcasting hateful bullshit over the internet, then has a thousand dick suckers back up his obnoxious attitude. Jim has NEVER come on here with that attitude. Fuck, the first time he PM'd me I told him to go fuck himself because I thought he was a fake and he laughed about it. Karl, Kalis, Cliff, Richie Jackson, none of them come on with that business man PR jock attitude. Hell, even when Kalis had Berra's back he talked it through, and people here were hostile as fuck on that. Jamie on the other hand comes on here and tells all these bullshit lies about poor Jamie Thomas (do any of you actually believe for half a second he isn't wealthy as fuck?) and the honest to goodness company he runs, then everytime somebody criticizes him he does this "I'm imperfect unlike you!" whiney bullshit where he turns it into an us against them thing instead of focusing on the issue. He doesn't discuss things honestly and he's insulting in his nature of doing it. Fuck him.
Fifth column- any pre-2008 economist survey is like a pre-9/11 defense survey. Opinions have changed over 6 years. Why do you think Obama and Rick Santorum both have restoring American manufacturing as centerpieces to their campaign? Because in 2008 people found out you DO need manufacturing and that our entire "financialized" economy that all those economists agreed on was a bullshit house of cards, just like in the 1920's and economists all agreed on some things that turned out �to be bs. Would you give me a 1927 economic survey to show me what economists thought in 1933? Of course not. The standard belief today is that economists were wrong in thinking you could sustain an economy like ours without manufacturing, and that faulty assumptions like that led to the crash.
Now, in response to the unfounded, uunrelated ad hominem attacks. Practice what I preach? Do I manufacture abroad? That's the issue I'm talking about. I want more American products made available to consumers so even the least conscious consumer can support our economy and middle class job growth. I don't know why I am so evil and worthy of attacking for wanting that. Jamie doesn't want that, he wants profit, and is willing to sacrifice all of that for profit. It really is the epitome of going against Jesus's teachings on wealth too. Why side with that position- how does that benefit your perspective? Do you really think its cool to undermine our economy so he can have personal profits? As far as I know, its not a publicly traded company, and Chris Cole with 10% of zero is the only other owner, so how do you benefit by less available jobs in the country, the exporting of money, all for the profit of two people, and no other noticeable difference? Just explain why you think its so great Jamie has exported manufacturing of goods from our country, how it has a social benefit, or even how it personally benefits you. Because him continuing to make his shit using slaves (like a good Alabama boy who makes confederate logo gear) really has no positives at all aside from increased personal profit for poor old Jamie Thomas.
In terms of my consumption habits, although they are irrelevant to the validity of my argument about making more American manufactured products available, you guys don't actually have the first idea about my consumption habits. I'll admit some food I buy probably has issues, though I buy all of my produce at a local farmer's market. �My apartment has almost no furniture, the stuff I have is all found. My clothes are all years old, I haven't bought new clothes in years. I still regularly rock an aesthetics shirt. I own virtually no electronics aside from a laptop. The bicycle I own was made out of parts of totalled bikes and a used frame. How exactly do you know I don't practice what I preach? Again, you can be conscious, but if you actually have tried to live a zero foreign goods lifestyle, you realize that its very difficult, as there are some things that just aren't made here, which is why it is important to work for more goods being manufactured here. If it was easy to do, there wouldn't really be any reason to call other manufacturers into action. This is the REAL reason you assumed I am a hypocrite, but really it just proves my point, you can't just do it, and even if you did, it would be difficult, and wouldn't actually create any sort of larger social change.
I don't see why you guys wouldn't want domestic manufacturing of the goods you buy. It creates jobs, it keeps money in our economy, it builds up the middle class.
Jamie Thomas is a classic capitalist pig.
Again, if a topic about the general manufacturing habits of board companies came up, plenty of people would be on my side, and wouldn't say wanting more boards manufactured here is hypocritical, but because you all want to be loved by Jamie, you attack the person telling the truth to a person who actually can make a change.
Sorry if I'm a person who says "You know how you exploit people and undermine our society for your own profits while simultaneously selling a good that claims to be spreading religious blessings? That's not ok."
Jesus fucking christ, you need to get off the internet. Take a break for a while.
I know seriously. Dude turns every thread into some political debate.
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^^^ Not quoting that shit, its too long. But what I will say is that I agree with Gipper on his economic stances about bringing more manufacturing back to the US (or wherever your home country is). I'm no economics expert so I'm asking anyone at all who knows the answer, would manufacturing here raise or lower the cost of the specific product? (ie. Skateboards, wheels, shoes, rocking chairs whatever in the fuck). And I also don't see a problem with debate or discussion.
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^^^ Not quoting that shit, its too long. But what I will say is that I agree with Gipper on his economic stances about bringing more manufacturing back to the US (or wherever your home country is). I'm no economics expert so I'm asking anyone at all who knows the answer, would manufacturing here raise or lower the cost of the specific product? (ie. Skateboards, wheels, shoes, rocking chairs whatever in the fuck). And I also don't see a problem with debate or discussion.
is this a serious question? do you think anyone manufactures stuff in china because it would be cheaper in the us?
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This is what participation is all about gentlemen, as you can see Ronald is making a
clear point in what you can do when you type and use fingers such as ones you folks
have out there. It also reminds me of a time when I wasn't quite an actor yet and was
still testing out the ropes of a newborn society. As you can see Reagan I really enjoy
your topic and would like to offer you 25% off on my new book coming out 2013.
Also Mr. Reagan I would like to tell you of a time when I wasn't the top dog in a society
like you make speak of.
For one year, I worked as a web designer at a newspaper. This paper, which we'll call The Daily News, was in a little logging town, which we'll call Bumpkinville, about 40 miles north of the town I live in. The drive was mostly a stretch of 70 MPH freeway, so my commute was only about 35 minutes each way. Now, driving to Bumpkinville was like driving through a time machine that took you back 40 years. So it was a lot like the 50's there, minus the good parts. Remember the movie "Pleasantville"? Well, this was Unpleasantville.
Bumpkinville, being a logging town, had paper mills. Four of them. So the entire town always smelled like an old person's armpit. Therefore, anyone with any ambition or brains tended to get the hell out of there, meaning the city was basically made up of retired people, most of them nearly deaf from working in the mills for years without ear protection, and uneducated idiots just too stupid for life in the big city 50 miles to the south.
I was hired as part of the three-person Internet Department at the paper. It became clear early on that my boss, Kirk, knew nothing about the Internet. He had been the paper's owner's son's best friend all through school, and after stints as a Marine, a firefighter, and a financial controller for a southern California airport, Kirk wanted to move back to Bumpkinville. The owner's son offered him a job as Online Manager despite Kirk's complete ignorance of the Internet. After all, the owner's son was here on a free ride, so why not get his best buddy in line for the gravy train?
However, Kirk had one skill, sort of: The gift of bullshit. He could make the yokels actually believe that he knew what he was doing, despite much evidence to the contrary. He could lie all day long without stopping to take a breath. When he hired me, he told me that 200 people worked there. I found out later it was more like 110. One day, I asked him why the Advertising Department was still stuck with Photoshop version 4.0 on their machines while our department had 5.0. He went into a big speech about he really took care of things in our department, while the other departments were lax in this area. A few minutes later, I realized I had gotten it backwards. Advertising had 5.0, and we only had 4.0. When I told him, he gave me a blank stare, which is what he always did when he got caught in a big lie, which was often.
The other person in our department was a bright young girl named Karen. Being bright meant that she was overqualified for nearly any job in Bumpkinville, including this one, which was running an Internet Service Provider with 1800 customers. Since we were actually just an agent for a real ISP in the big city named Transport, and Transport was an incredibly unreliable provider, she spent most of the day on the phone with angry bumpkins. But she did her job well, and even went well beyond the call of duty at times.
Once, Karen agreed to represent our newspaper at a local "Safety Fair", manning a booth from 9 AM to 1 PM on a Saturday. Kirk was supposed to relieve her at 1 PM. He never showed up, so she was forced to stay there until the fair ended at 4 PM. When she asked Kirk what happened, he said, "Well, I looked at my watch and it was 1:30, and I figured you were out of there by then, so I didn't bother." This was typical for Kirk, an irresponsible, lying piece of human garbage with rich parents, who had basically spent his whole life avoiding education and actual work. I remember he always spent Thursday afternoons golfing with the owner's son before the new management took over.
Kirk was full of ignorant ideas befitting someone born and raised in Bumpkinville. At one point, he decided that we were going to "sell" our older, archived newspaper articles to the locals, like the LA Times does. He had me copy all the web pages relating to this from the LA Times website, changing the name of the newspaper to make it our own. He honestly believed the yokels would be willing to pay for past articles from our little turdtown newspaper. Naturally, that idea sank like a stone.
And it's just as well, because the paper never did get a secure server running to deal with e-commerce transactions anyway, despite Kirk always telling the customers that it was forthcoming. The Information Systems department at the paper was, of course, staffed by a bumpkin too.
Jay, an ugly, zit-covered loser from the IS department, had his own problems. Born and raised in Bumpkinville, Jay had made only one attempt to get out of town, which failed miserably. He was quite an accomplished computer geek, and a web-related company in the big city hired him. He lasted less than a day, returning to Bumpkinville in the afternoon and begging for his old job back.
Jay was one of only two people in the IS department and before long the other person left, making almost everyone in the company dependent upon Jay for computer support. He used this "power" to bestow favors on people who pretended to like him, while putting off those who refused to pretend. Naturally, I was in the latter group. One day, I had trouble with a Jaz drive in my computer at home. I removed it and needed to test it on a computer with a SCSI bus. I asked for Jay's help, but he told me he didn't have the time. I knew this would take all of about 5 minutes. After Jay dropped by our office later that day to talk to Karen about nothing in particular, and hanging out for 20 minutes or so, I began to understand what a lying little asswipe he was. So, later on, with Jay about 40 feet away in another department, I popped the top of my own computer and did all the testing myself, right behind his back. He never found out. Which was a good thing, because Jay was weirdly possessive about all the computers, and he would have freaked out. He considered himself my boss, which he wasn't, but he was such an incredible kiss-up to Kirk that he could get away with anything.
Jay had a complete lack of social skills. There was this really creepy way he'd get all giddy and excited every time he was around Kirk. You expected him to go down on Kirk at any moment, and he'd laugh out loud with this mulish braying every time Kirk said anything even halfway funny. This, combined with he and Kirk going out for long lunches together a lot, made a lot of people think he was queer. No wonder he lasted less than half a day in the big city. Here at The Daily News, he was hot shit. Once outside the building, however, he was just another lonely zit-faced freak. It was hard to believe that he had been married at one time, until you found out that he had impregnated his bride first. Not long before I started working there, she left him for some German guy she had met on the web but never met in real life, dropping off their daughter at Jay's mother's house and just disappearing for a while. I don't blame her. A judge, apparently recognizing Jay's many social handicaps, granted custody to Jay's ex-wife despite this.
Now, like all ugly losers who had been made shunned by nearly everyone while growing up, Jay had fantasies of being a policeman. When the paper was bought out by a conglomerate shortly after I was hired, they put up a firewall which was programmed to block any and all websites unsuitable for anyone under 18. This cut everyone in the building off from about a quarter of the web. I pointed this out to Kirk, and he laughed it off. No lazy little shit on a free ride like Kirk was going to make any waves with the new management. That was when I started looking for a new job. Eventually, reporters in the newsroom got the ban lifted by pointing out that they couldn't do much research with a huge chunk of the web off limits. The new management, which owned 11 other newspapers and should have known better, was amazingly stupid to have ever tried this in the first place.
This bothered Jay immensely. He hated the idea of not being able to control what his co-workers could or couldn't see on the internet. But the new management still had a partial firewall in place, sort of a "Net Nanny" that could log when one of their workers went to certain types of sites. They had it set to notify Jay whenever someone went to an adult site on their computer. Now, the program was capable of informing on all kinds of sites -- entertainment sites, racist sites, religious sites, gambling sites -- but the management chose only to inform on adult sites. I remember Jay showing me the two dozen or so types of sites that could be selected, and bitterly informing me that if it were up to him, they would ALL be checked. What a voyeuristic, ignorant freak. After all, it didn't affect Jay in any way where anyone surfed to on the web. He just loved the idea of playing web cop. It was an opportunity to get back at a world that made fun of him throughout his childhood. He'll make a good Republican someday.
One day, Jay and Kirk called me into their office to have a talk with me. I had visited one of the banned sites! Horrors! Now, "having a talk" with me was basically their only recourse. Firing me meant I could collect unemployment, so they were unwilling to do that. So they got together beforehand and made up some stupid story that was supposed to scare me. Jay went on about how at some places, anyone caught visiting a forbidden website was simply marched out of the building between two security guards and never allowed to return, no chance to tell his side of the story, no nothing. Right. It was a lot like two farm-boys telling me that I'd get mugged if I ever dared to venture into the big city. They could tell I wasn't buying it, which I'm sure bugged them to no end.
The thing about Bumpkinville was, it was such an incredibly undesirable place to live, you wondered what the problem was with people who chose to live there. But you didn't wonder for long. Nearly everyone I worked with had some odd quirk or nutty problem that made them unfit for the big city.
There was Kirk, with no work skills whatsoever, an irresponsible human leech. His best friend, the owner's son, left the company after the conglomerate took over, leaving Kirk with no future at the paper, which is a good match for his no skills. Even his wife, born and raised in Bumpkinville, wants to move back to California, showing that she has better sense than Kirk. Kirk is still working at the paper as of this writing although the Online department is supposedly going to be folded into the Marketing department, making him just another salesman instead of a department head. Apparently there's nobody for Kirk to leech off of in California.
There was Jay, who both looked and acted like a weasel, the company's digital Barney Fife. He was working 12 hour days when I left. Hey, why not? After all, at home there's nothing for him to do but pop zits and masturbate.
Their top ad salesman, a really nice and personable fellow named Scott, had this quirk: Whenever he laughed, he'd repeat the last thing he said while he was laughing. This would cause people who had never heard it before to look at each other with an expression on their face that said,"Did you hear that? What the hell is wrong with this guy?" It was just weird, and the type of thing that would make him a social outcast -- except in Bumpkinville.
This sort of thing was not limited to the employees of The Daily News, however; the yokels who signed up for web access were pretty much the same story. A normal looking guy would walk in, and you'd be glad that, finally, someone intelligent-looking was about to sign up with the ISP. Then he'd open his mouth to reveal missing teeth, or a harelip, or he'd express what a relief it was to finally be out of prison. Most of the women over 30 in Bumpkinville had long since given up on trying to look good, and mostly consisted of waddling, obese, stringy-haired hose-monsters with masculine facial features. Often, they would come in to cancel their account because their husband or boyfriend was headed to jail.
Just before I left The Daily News, the Marketing Manager left and was about to be replaced by a 26 year old squirt who's about 5 feet 6 and looks like he's 19. Most of the employees were calling him "Doogie" behind his back before he was even hired, but I saw Doogie walking around with the publisher one day wearing the same suit, which naturally caused me to label him with the moniker "Mini-Me". On my last day there, which was about three days before Mini-Me was to take over a department wherein everyone was much older (and taller) than he was, I saw that a box of business cards had been delivered to his desk. I took one out, crossed out his name and replaced it with the name "Mini-Me", and carefully placed it back into the box.
After nearly a year of employment in Bumpkinville, I finally got out of there. I was the 58th person to leave the company, out of 110 employees, since the new management had taken over 6 months earlier. So desperate was I to leave that I took a job as a temp for an internet start-up named iChristian.com. But that's another Unspeakably Stupid Story.
Thank you for your time Ronald, and I really hope you took my story to heart.
-Dave
damn son this shits even longer my chris hansen interview. i dunno if i should either respect or feel sorry for you
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This is what participation is all about gentlemen, as you can see Ronald is making a
clear point in what you can do when you type and use fingers such as ones you folks
have out there. It also reminds me of a time when I wasn't quite an actor yet and was
still testing out the ropes of a newborn society. As you can see Reagan I really enjoy
your topic and would like to offer you 25% off on my new book coming out 2013.
Also Mr. Reagan I would like to tell you of a time when I wasn't the top dog in a society
like you make speak of.
For one year, I worked as a web designer at a newspaper. This paper, which we'll call The Daily News, was in a little logging town, which we'll call Bumpkinville, about 40 miles north of the town I live in. The drive was mostly a stretch of 70 MPH freeway, so my commute was only about 35 minutes each way. Now, driving to Bumpkinville was like driving through a time machine that took you back 40 years. So it was a lot like the 50's there, minus the good parts. Remember the movie "Pleasantville"? Well, this was Unpleasantville.
Bumpkinville, being a logging town, had paper mills. Four of them. So the entire town always smelled like an old person's armpit. Therefore, anyone with any ambition or brains tended to get the hell out of there, meaning the city was basically made up of retired people, most of them nearly deaf from working in the mills for years without ear protection, and uneducated idiots just too stupid for life in the big city 50 miles to the south.
I was hired as part of the three-person Internet Department at the paper. It became clear early on that my boss, Kirk, knew nothing about the Internet. He had been the paper's owner's son's best friend all through school, and after stints as a Marine, a firefighter, and a financial controller for a southern California airport, Kirk wanted to move back to Bumpkinville. The owner's son offered him a job as Online Manager despite Kirk's complete ignorance of the Internet. After all, the owner's son was here on a free ride, so why not get his best buddy in line for the gravy train?
However, Kirk had one skill, sort of: The gift of bullshit. He could make the yokels actually believe that he knew what he was doing, despite much evidence to the contrary. He could lie all day long without stopping to take a breath. When he hired me, he told me that 200 people worked there. I found out later it was more like 110. One day, I asked him why the Advertising Department was still stuck with Photoshop version 4.0 on their machines while our department had 5.0. He went into a big speech about he really took care of things in our department, while the other departments were lax in this area. A few minutes later, I realized I had gotten it backwards. Advertising had 5.0, and we only had 4.0. When I told him, he gave me a blank stare, which is what he always did when he got caught in a big lie, which was often.
The other person in our department was a bright young girl named Karen. Being bright meant that she was overqualified for nearly any job in Bumpkinville, including this one, which was running an Internet Service Provider with 1800 customers. Since we were actually just an agent for a real ISP in the big city named Transport, and Transport was an incredibly unreliable provider, she spent most of the day on the phone with angry bumpkins. But she did her job well, and even went well beyond the call of duty at times.
Once, Karen agreed to represent our newspaper at a local "Safety Fair", manning a booth from 9 AM to 1 PM on a Saturday. Kirk was supposed to relieve her at 1 PM. He never showed up, so she was forced to stay there until the fair ended at 4 PM. When she asked Kirk what happened, he said, "Well, I looked at my watch and it was 1:30, and I figured you were out of there by then, so I didn't bother." This was typical for Kirk, an irresponsible, lying piece of human garbage with rich parents, who had basically spent his whole life avoiding education and actual work. I remember he always spent Thursday afternoons golfing with the owner's son before the new management took over.
Kirk was full of ignorant ideas befitting someone born and raised in Bumpkinville. At one point, he decided that we were going to "sell" our older, archived newspaper articles to the locals, like the LA Times does. He had me copy all the web pages relating to this from the LA Times website, changing the name of the newspaper to make it our own. He honestly believed the yokels would be willing to pay for past articles from our little turdtown newspaper. Naturally, that idea sank like a stone.
And it's just as well, because the paper never did get a secure server running to deal with e-commerce transactions anyway, despite Kirk always telling the customers that it was forthcoming. The Information Systems department at the paper was, of course, staffed by a bumpkin too.
Jay, an ugly, zit-covered loser from the IS department, had his own problems. Born and raised in Bumpkinville, Jay had made only one attempt to get out of town, which failed miserably. He was quite an accomplished computer geek, and a web-related company in the big city hired him. He lasted less than a day, returning to Bumpkinville in the afternoon and begging for his old job back.
Jay was one of only two people in the IS department and before long the other person left, making almost everyone in the company dependent upon Jay for computer support. He used this "power" to bestow favors on people who pretended to like him, while putting off those who refused to pretend. Naturally, I was in the latter group. One day, I had trouble with a Jaz drive in my computer at home. I removed it and needed to test it on a computer with a SCSI bus. I asked for Jay's help, but he told me he didn't have the time. I knew this would take all of about 5 minutes. After Jay dropped by our office later that day to talk to Karen about nothing in particular, and hanging out for 20 minutes or so, I began to understand what a lying little asswipe he was. So, later on, with Jay about 40 feet away in another department, I popped the top of my own computer and did all the testing myself, right behind his back. He never found out. Which was a good thing, because Jay was weirdly possessive about all the computers, and he would have freaked out. He considered himself my boss, which he wasn't, but he was such an incredible kiss-up to Kirk that he could get away with anything.
Jay had a complete lack of social skills. There was this really creepy way he'd get all giddy and excited every time he was around Kirk. You expected him to go down on Kirk at any moment, and he'd laugh out loud with this mulish braying every time Kirk said anything even halfway funny. This, combined with he and Kirk going out for long lunches together a lot, made a lot of people think he was queer. No wonder he lasted less than half a day in the big city. Here at The Daily News, he was hot shit. Once outside the building, however, he was just another lonely zit-faced freak. It was hard to believe that he had been married at one time, until you found out that he had impregnated his bride first. Not long before I started working there, she left him for some German guy she had met on the web but never met in real life, dropping off their daughter at Jay's mother's house and just disappearing for a while. I don't blame her. A judge, apparently recognizing Jay's many social handicaps, granted custody to Jay's ex-wife despite this.
Now, like all ugly losers who had been made shunned by nearly everyone while growing up, Jay had fantasies of being a policeman. When the paper was bought out by a conglomerate shortly after I was hired, they put up a firewall which was programmed to block any and all websites unsuitable for anyone under 18. This cut everyone in the building off from about a quarter of the web. I pointed this out to Kirk, and he laughed it off. No lazy little shit on a free ride like Kirk was going to make any waves with the new management. That was when I started looking for a new job. Eventually, reporters in the newsroom got the ban lifted by pointing out that they couldn't do much research with a huge chunk of the web off limits. The new management, which owned 11 other newspapers and should have known better, was amazingly stupid to have ever tried this in the first place.
This bothered Jay immensely. He hated the idea of not being able to control what his co-workers could or couldn't see on the internet. But the new management still had a partial firewall in place, sort of a "Net Nanny" that could log when one of their workers went to certain types of sites. They had it set to notify Jay whenever someone went to an adult site on their computer. Now, the program was capable of informing on all kinds of sites -- entertainment sites, racist sites, religious sites, gambling sites -- but the management chose only to inform on adult sites. I remember Jay showing me the two dozen or so types of sites that could be selected, and bitterly informing me that if it were up to him, they would ALL be checked. What a voyeuristic, ignorant freak. After all, it didn't affect Jay in any way where anyone surfed to on the web. He just loved the idea of playing web cop. It was an opportunity to get back at a world that made fun of him throughout his childhood. He'll make a good Republican someday.
One day, Jay and Kirk called me into their office to have a talk with me. I had visited one of the banned sites! Horrors! Now, "having a talk" with me was basically their only recourse. Firing me meant I could collect unemployment, so they were unwilling to do that. So they got together beforehand and made up some stupid story that was supposed to scare me. Jay went on about how at some places, anyone caught visiting a forbidden website was simply marched out of the building between two security guards and never allowed to return, no chance to tell his side of the story, no nothing. Right. It was a lot like two farm-boys telling me that I'd get mugged if I ever dared to venture into the big city. They could tell I wasn't buying it, which I'm sure bugged them to no end.
The thing about Bumpkinville was, it was such an incredibly undesirable place to live, you wondered what the problem was with people who chose to live there. But you didn't wonder for long. Nearly everyone I worked with had some odd quirk or nutty problem that made them unfit for the big city.
There was Kirk, with no work skills whatsoever, an irresponsible human leech. His best friend, the owner's son, left the company after the conglomerate took over, leaving Kirk with no future at the paper, which is a good match for his no skills. Even his wife, born and raised in Bumpkinville, wants to move back to California, showing that she has better sense than Kirk. Kirk is still working at the paper as of this writing although the Online department is supposedly going to be folded into the Marketing department, making him just another salesman instead of a department head. Apparently there's nobody for Kirk to leech off of in California.
There was Jay, who both looked and acted like a weasel, the company's digital Barney Fife. He was working 12 hour days when I left. Hey, why not? After all, at home there's nothing for him to do but pop zits and masturbate.
Their top ad salesman, a really nice and personable fellow named Scott, had this quirk: Whenever he laughed, he'd repeat the last thing he said while he was laughing. This would cause people who had never heard it before to look at each other with an expression on their face that said,"Did you hear that? What the hell is wrong with this guy?" It was just weird, and the type of thing that would make him a social outcast -- except in Bumpkinville.
This sort of thing was not limited to the employees of The Daily News, however; the yokels who signed up for web access were pretty much the same story. A normal looking guy would walk in, and you'd be glad that, finally, someone intelligent-looking was about to sign up with the ISP. Then he'd open his mouth to reveal missing teeth, or a harelip, or he'd express what a relief it was to finally be out of prison. Most of the women over 30 in Bumpkinville had long since given up on trying to look good, and mostly consisted of waddling, obese, stringy-haired hose-monsters with masculine facial features. Often, they would come in to cancel their account because their husband or boyfriend was headed to jail.
Just before I left The Daily News, the Marketing Manager left and was about to be replaced by a 26 year old squirt who's about 5 feet 6 and looks like he's 19. Most of the employees were calling him "Doogie" behind his back before he was even hired, but I saw Doogie walking around with the publisher one day wearing the same suit, which naturally caused me to label him with the moniker "Mini-Me". On my last day there, which was about three days before Mini-Me was to take over a department wherein everyone was much older (and taller) than he was, I saw that a box of business cards had been delivered to his desk. I took one out, crossed out his name and replaced it with the name "Mini-Me", and carefully placed it back into the box.
After nearly a year of employment in Bumpkinville, I finally got out of there. I was the 58th person to leave the company, out of 110 employees, since the new management had taken over 6 months earlier. So desperate was I to leave that I took a job as a temp for an internet start-up named iChristian.com. But that's another Unspeakably Stupid Story.
Thank you for your time Ronald, and I really hope you took my story to heart.
-Dave
damn son this shits even longer my chris hansen interview. i dunno if i should either respect or feel sorry for you
respect for sure. this dude is awesome
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damn son this shits even longer my chris hansen interview. i dunno if i should either respect or feel sorry for you
he's a god dang phony! he just copied and pasted it from another website.
http://unspeakablystupid.com/uss15.html (http://unspeakablystupid.com/uss15.html)
i was really starting to back Mr. Schwimmer too.
(Gipper, i really like your post and respect your views. people always come with that "he's Jamie, leave him alone!" bs, or they'll try to disregard your opinion because you tend to make long posts, but you hit the nail on the head with that one. keep doing your thing, man.)
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damn son this shits even longer my chris hansen interview. i dunno if i should either respect or feel sorry for you
he's a god dang phony! he just copied and pasted it from another website.
http://unspeakablystupid.com/uss15.html (http://unspeakablystupid.com/uss15.html)
i was really starting to back Mr. Schwimmer too.
(Gipper, i really like your post and respect your views. people always come with that "he's Jamie, leave him alone!" bs, or they'll try to disregard your opinion because you tend to make long posts, but you hit the nail on the head with that one. keep doing your thing, man.)
DAMMIT! david, get over here, what do you have to say for yourself?
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It's always about money at the end of the day, profits and margins, and whilst it would be moral/economical to keep jobs in your home country it's never going to happen. It's the way most business is done these days, manufacture goods offshore for a fraction of the cost and profit. I get his opinion and viewpoint and it's been made, but you're not going to change the world sitting in an apartment with a laptop and milk creates for furniture, posting on a skateboarding forum about how a christian skateboard company owner should be admitting he wants to make money from his business and that he isn't being a proper christian. No doubt he gets tax exemptions to by making donations to charities. If you disagree with his business practices, don't buy his products. I always saw Zero as a teenage thing anyways. Bunch of emo's doing 5.0's on large rails.
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Imagine how nuts it's gonna be when David Schwimmer, relaxing at home, Googling himself while enjoying a snifter of port, finds the SLAP forum.
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Everybody sucks, the people in this thread are no exception.
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Everybody sucks, the people in this thread are no exception.
last time I checked i was on a forum, no people just a bunch of 1's and 0's
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I back Gip. Even if he milks his root chakra too much.
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Everybody sucks, the people in this thread are no exception.
last time I checked i was on a forum, no people just a bunch of 1's and 0's
hey fuck u ur a 0
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damn son this shits even longer my chris hansen interview. i dunno if i should either respect or feel sorry for you
he's a god dang phony! he just copied and pasted it from another website.
http://unspeakablystupid.com/uss15.html (http://unspeakablystupid.com/uss15.html)
i was really starting to back Mr. Schwimmer too.
(Gipper, i really like your post and respect your views. people always come with that "he's Jamie, leave him alone!" bs, or they'll try to disregard your opinion because you tend to make long posts, but you hit the nail on the head with that one. keep doing your thing, man.)
Hi guys, before any of us get started I'd liike to point some things out.
1. Yes I copy and pasted a rather long story about a town called Bumpkinville.
2. Yes I am the real David Schwimmer
3. My new book comes out 2013
4. After reading the Gippers debate I still felt like there was something more to say. Before I ever
crash landed a spot on the Hollywood carpet I would find myself in my basement really getting on
people nerves. Lot's of right winged mind sets going off on the declaration on those sorts. I was 17
and let's face it I was a nerd fellas and really into Joe Cocker. It was a small duplex my mother and I
lived in on 12th an hatford St. the economy was good and the women were feeble minded, I was fixing
a tuna fish sandwich when I got a telegram for my brother Cletus, he said he was coming hom for a week
to be with mum and I. Mom was very excited she put on her red dress and paced around the kitchen, we danced
and danced and eventually took the party upstairs where I raped my own mother.
You see I've changed fellas I'm not into these hateful conversation full of I'm right-your wrong-I'm a slap pal with
mutual benefits for a weak morality.
5. I didn't think I would hurt anyone but pasting a long story about simply nothing, just as gip did in my opinion.
In my story anywhere did they say "jamie thomas is a capitalist pig" ?. Does at anytime I figure out which nation makes
the best coffee? Can I feel the burn of a 3 hour marathon of heavy weight lifting? Do you like corn meal?
-Dave
EDIT: I did not rape my own mother, settle down fellas.
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damn, you guys are goin for it...
-I very rarely have any christian based graphics and haven't mentioned the topic unless someone's asked in years
-We recently did a limited re-issue of 316 of the OG cross boards in Mexico, but most of the cross boards we made in the early 2000's were all made in the US.
-Skateboard sales have continuously dropped over the past 5-7 years making it difficult for everyone to continue to survive yet alone get rich making all their boards in the US. Thus why, all of the major brands are made in Mex and China.
-No one in the skateboard industry is getting rich off making or selling 'skateboards' except maybe the long board/cruiser companies. Survival is the name of the game these days.
-I've been broke and homeless, therefore I'm extremely thankful for the life skateboarding has provided me and my family. That said I've always tried to give back to support skateboarding and help whoever I can along the way.
It's easy to sit around and talk about what someone else is doing right and wrong w their business, but until you've done it yourself, talk is cheap.
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-We recently did a limited re-issue of 316 of the OG cross boards in Mexico, but most of the cross boards we made in the early 2000's were all made in the US.
Deep, Man.
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Although I agree with most of what the gipper says, I saw this image and felt it couldn't be ignored as a humorous response to his posts
(http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1o5cuN76e1rongydo1_500.jpg)
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It's easy to sit around and talk about what someone else is doing right and wrong w their business, but until you've done it yourself, talk is cheap.
honestly don't know if you're a good person or an asshole in real life, but this is pretty much the truth.
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Talk is cheap.
So why should we be inclined to believe that JT is doing things the "right" way, and not the racist and homophobic way?
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I feel like "getting rich" is a relative term here.
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I can't say I'm proud of any of you guys jumping on an argument for the sake of an argument,
or any of you guys pushing double standards for pros/famous people,
or suggest that it's not hard to run a company without overseas labor,
BUT I will say that any credible skate company with American standards of labor on all of their products would have my loyalty.
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I'm all for goods manufactured in the US. However, I also understand that if you can't keep your company running and pay your riders and employees by doing so, it makes sense to outsource your production. Also, Gipper, you defended Jim Thiebaud by talking about his character, and attacked ISUCK again for outsourcing labor. But DLX does the same thing. So why not include every distribution company in the same rant as opposed to singling out ISUCK while defending others. I realize this thread is more related to blackbox, but it seems like you would never say these things about DLX or any other companies who do the same thing.
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Yo ISUCK!, fuck all this political bullshit. We could do this for another 10 pages, easily. Instead, perhaps you could enlighten us with the following:
-What's the status of Cold War?
-Will Tancowny have any tricks? Saw he had a newer clip in Beagle's TWS section, hoping for more...
-Burman has been using a ton of insane footage in other videos e.g some Australian video and the TWS video, will he still have a full part in Cold War?
Oh, and the statement on your hat that you are wearing in your sig is truly no lie.
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Yo ISUCK!, fuck all this political bullshit. We could do this for another 10 pages, easily. Instead, perhaps you could enlighten us with the following:
-What's the status of Cold War?
-Will Tancowny have any tricks? Saw he had a newer clip in Beagle's TWS section, hoping for more...
-Burman has been using a ton of insane footage in other videos e.g some Australian video and the TWS video, will he still have a full part in Cold War?
Oh, and the statement on your hat that you are wearing in your sig is truly no lie.
all of this
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Yo ISUCK!, fuck all this political bullshit. We could do this for another 10 pages, easily. Instead, perhaps you could enlighten us with the following:
-What's the status of Cold War?
No official release date yet, but we're working on it. Some dudes are more than half way done, so hopefully things come together through the summer.
-Will Tancowny have any tricks? Saw he had a newer clip in Beagle's TWS section, hoping for more...
I'm on a trip w Tancowny right now and he's on a tear; hopefully he'll at least share a part.
-Burman has been using a ton of insane footage in other videos e.g some Australian video and the TWS video, will he still have a full part in Cold War?
He is one of the dudes w the most footage; probably, him, Tom K, John Fitz, and Tommy have the most...
Oh, and the statement on your hat that you are wearing in your sig is truly no lie.
gotta love em...
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I'll use this thread to ask about JACK KIRK. When is fully getting on SLAVE/ZERO? ;D
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i hate jack kirk
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Jey jaime I think zero should coniseder making these a board it would be like the all new OG series and would totally please your core demographic
(http://llnw.thesims3.com/sims3_asset/sims3_asset/avatar/shard000/000/008/718/84/72/large.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NO2UOMMYKZ0/SNiIppG6AVI/AAAAAAAABO0/173_8U6BPFQ/s400/-Emo.jpg)
how does it feel like to be the steve rocco of our generation
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I like most of what the Gipper preaches, but I have no problem with Jamie giving some Mexicans some jobs. I like imported things that save me money and I don't feel guilt when I pay for furniture, clothes, or Guinness. Can you really blame a kid who was named Josiah for being kooky. He's fighting an uphill battle from the very beginning. The beginning meaning the exact moment when the sperm enters the egg ;D
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Dear Gipper, i stand corrected on saying that you don't practice what you preach. I, of course, don't know how you live your life. But now that you have posted about in great detail, I'd like to say that I respect you once again.