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Skateboarding => USELESS WOODEN TOY BANTER => Topic started by: Aatila on April 11, 2012, 05:25:39 PM
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http://www.dvsshoes.com/skate/team.html (http://www.dvsshoes.com/skate/team.html)
hes not on the team page anymore and they actually pretty regularly update their site......
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http://www.dvsshoes.com/skate/team.html (http://www.dvsshoes.com/skate/team.html)
hes not on the team page anymore and they actually pretty regularly update their site......
TOREY PUDWILL / DAEWON SONG / LUIS TOLENTINO
CHICO BRENES / MARTY MURAWSKI
LUCIEN CLARKE / FLO MIRTAIN / PAUL SHIER
wow the team ist fucking SMALL
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Especially because it was huge when they released that one video (Boys, boys, boys?). I can't believe Kenny Hoyle is off though. That's idiotic.
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http://www.dvsshoes.com/skate/team.html (http://www.dvsshoes.com/skate/team.html)
hes not on the team page anymore and they actually pretty regularly update their site......
TOREY PUDWILL / DAEWON SONG / LUIS TOLENTINO
CHICO BRENES / MARTY MURAWSKI
LUCIEN CLARKE / FLO MIRTAIN / PAUL SHIER
wow the team ist fucking SMALL
Its funny because this is no shit the only thing on the team page in like size 16 times new roman
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Jeron Wilson is so dope Jeron Wilson - Girl Mouse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke7iArTcjVk#)
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Diamond Shoes is Jeron's.
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Did they give that little leech daniel castillo the boot too, how does that guy still have a board on the same company as marc johnson.
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Maybe that Kenny on etnies rumor from awhile ago will be coming true soon.
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hoyle and jeron are better off finding something else..........dvs sucks, what are they gonna do when torey gets a better offer?
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DVS is pretty much done now.... I wonder if they sell that much in UK to justify paying Shier and Lucien... Don't get me wrong, i like those dudes, not as much as I like Jeron of course....
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http://www.dvsshoes.com/skate/team.html (http://www.dvsshoes.com/skate/team.html)
hes not on the team page anymore and they actually pretty regularly update their site......
TOREY PUDWILL / DAEWON SONG / LUIS TOLENTINO
CHICO BRENES / MARTY MURAWSKI
LUCIEN CLARKE / FLO MIRTAIN / PAUL SHIER
wow the team ist fucking SMALL
Crazy... I stopped paying attention to DVS after Sheff was let go. Didn't realize Hoyle, Zared, etc. left.
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dudes are in trouble over there!
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They got to pay Torey somehow.
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so wait, kenny is off?
idiots.
I can see him on lakai, cons or adidas.
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Especially because it was huge when they released that one video (Boys, boys, boys?). I can't believe Kenny Hoyle is off though. That's idiotic.
LOL, it was "dudes, dudes, dudes" (2008)
their team was huge (and really fucking sick) at the time
Andrew Brophy
Chico Brenes
Daewon Song
Guru Khalsa
Janne Saario
Jereme Rogers
Jeron Wilson
Jimmy Cao
Kenny Hoyle
Kerry Getz
Kristian Bomholt
Lamare Hemmings
Lucien Clarke
Mark Baines
Paul Shier
Steve Berra
Torey Pudwill
Zered Bassett
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so wait, kenny is off?
idiots.
I can see him on lakai, cons or adidas.
Lakai would be sick.
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Joe Tookmanian off DVS was the real story
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dvs fuckin up
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i am sure lakai leaving podium and being directly distributed through crailtap must have been a financial dent on podium which results in taking off the vet dudes like wilson, castillo,basset, getz - who i am not sure got the boot or left for habitat.
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Jeron owning stake in Diamond Supply is going to give him money for the rest of his life. That fucking company crazy enough makes tons of money.
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Especially because it was huge when they released that one video (Boys, boys, boys?). I can't believe Kenny Hoyle is off though. That's idiotic.
I see someone corrected you on the name already but I thought I would drop a fun fact. The name of the video is actually a play on a sign for a strip club by LAX that reads "nude, nude, nudes" in the same font. It was pretty much a landmark of Century Blvd until the strip club was torn down a few years ago.
Edit: And yeah, DVS fucked up on this one.
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Especially because it was huge when they released that one video (Boys, boys, boys?). I can't believe Kenny Hoyle is off though. That's idiotic.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-21_jyYvyZxo/T16-fJ9X6oI/AAAAAAAADqI/HaJaKxYuxfg/s1600/themoreyouknow.jpg)
Once someone fixed my post, I felt really dumb that I forgot that.
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Especially because it was huge when they released that one video (Boys, boys, boys?). I can't believe Kenny Hoyle is off though. That's idiotic.
Edit: And yeah, DVS fucked up on this one.
I remember seeing that strip club on the way to the airport, totally forgot about it til you brought this up.
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Especially because it was huge when they released that one video (Boys, boys, boys?). I can't believe Kenny Hoyle is off though. That's idiotic.
LOL, it was "dudes, dudes, dudes" (2008)
their team was huge (and really fucking sick) at the time
Andrew Brophy
Chico Brenes
Daewon Song
Guru Khalsa
Janne Saario
Jereme Rogers
Jeron Wilson
Jimmy Cao
Kenny Hoyle
Kerry Getz
Kristian Bomholt
Lamare Hemmings
Lucien Clarke
Mark Baines
Paul Shier
Steve Berra
Torey Pudwill
Zered Bassett
shit, talk about downsizing. never been too hyped on dvs.
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Especially because it was huge when they released that one video (Boys, boys, boys?). I can't believe Kenny Hoyle is off though. That's idiotic.
LOL, it was "dudes, dudes, dudes" (2008)
their team was huge (and really fucking sick) at the time
Andrew Brophy
Chico Brenes
Daewon Song
Guru Khalsa
Janne Saario
Jereme Rogers
Jeron Wilson
Jimmy Cao
Kenny Hoyle
Kerry Getz
Kristian Bomholt
Lamare Hemmings
Lucien Clarke
Mark Baines
Paul Shier
Steve Berra
Torey Pudwill
Zered Bassett
shit, talk about downsizing. never been too hyped on dvs.
That is definitly some downsizing, but a couple of the names being scratched is kind of 'natural'.
Jeremy Rogers retired
Steve Berra retired
Kristian Bomholt died
But still, keeping some of these dudes on, and kicking off Kenny and Andrew seems like a dumb move!
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also, where'd jimmy cao go?
i saw him in some cons, damn DVS is weak
At least they have chico, but still lame.
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there is nothing interesting about DVS shoes...not anymore atleast.
I just want Daewon and Torey footage. That's it.
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also, where'd jimmy cao go?
i saw him in some cons, damn DVS is weak
At least they have chico, but still lame.
I was wondering this. I thought Jimmy was one of the few still on DVS. When did he get off?
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Jeron, Daewon, and Chico are the first things I think when I hear "DVS." Maybe the Gav. He had a couple good shoes early on and is entertaining on Crail. If Jeron does own some kind of shoe thing through Diamond that would be great for him and his family.
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Diamond
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Jeron has been the illest forever, super steezy. If this is true it sux.
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I thought I heard somewhere that Diamond are through Podium, if so, Jeron would just be switching between companies but not leaving the nest.
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worst shoes in the biz
gonna have to agree.
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Lakai needs to make some power moves and put Daweon on.
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a team that small means the checks aren't that big either... I imagine nike or dc doing better offers to torey
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a team that small means the checks aren't that big either... I imagine nike or dc doing better offers to torey
I could definitely see him on dc.
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DVS makes all their money from BROS. As long as places like Orange County and raised trucks exist so will DVS.
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You think DVS is letting people go because they want to? DVS is letting people go because you guys on here talking shit aren't buying their shoes, so they cant afford to keep their riders. Sheesh man I swear sometimes I think people posting on here have got to be 16 living off their mom.
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You think DVS is letting people go because they want to? DVS is letting people go because you guys on here talking shit aren't buying their shoes, so they cant afford to keep their riders. Sheesh man I swear sometimes I think people posting on here have got to be 16 living off their mom.
Would DVS be your first choice of shoes if you had to pay full price for shoes?
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
Jeron's dope. You're a dink.
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get rid of skaters to sign non-skaters and give them their own signature line
(http://business.transworld.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/02/Picture-172-514x600.png)
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^^^Might as well since no one ever bought their shoes even when they had everyone on.
I still think they should have reissued Getz first shoe. Even some of Dill's old shoes were dope. Now all their shit is the fucking same thing.
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Busentiz rode for DVS...
What Happened to Kenny Hoyle? He was on killing spree and then he disappeared.
Also DVS is one of the few who still make a proper murdered-out cupsole shoe (http://www.sundiego.com/images/products/3035_BLACK-NUBUCK_1.jpg).
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^^^Might as well since no one ever bought their shoes even when they had everyone on.
I still think they should have reissued Getz first shoe. Even some of Dill's old shoes were dope. Now all their shit is the fucking same thing.
these were the only DVSs I ever seriously considering getting (nova's)
(http://www.wakeskating.com/forum/files/dsm000211_big_346.jpg)
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DVS have always been horrible...I've always put them in the same category as Globes...shoes that jock-skaters and mall-rats set on the shelf next to their DC's with the huge spray can logo graphic on the side. Some of their skaters are great, but their brand is pure doo-doo.
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
He doesn't have to put out footage. He had the first part in Goldfish.
Jeron Wilson - Goldfish - 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m5f6E3PEN04#)
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DVS have always been horrible...I've always put them in the same category as Globes...shoes that jock-skaters and mall-rats set on the shelf next to their DC's with the huge spray can logo graphic on the side. Some of their skaters are great, but their brand is pure doo-doo.
kinda agree.
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I had a pair of DVS's about two years ago. I think they were the militia's or something like that. But i skated in them and in a week the soles completely seperated from the rest of the shoe, like they weren't glued together properly. Never even contemplated buying another pair after that...
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Joe Tookmanian off DVS was the real story
Fallen flow.
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I feel like dill repped dvs real hard for awhile. But than again he rode for etnies for like 7 months too. I've actually never owned DVS they seem wack.
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You think DVS is letting people go because they want to? DVS is letting people go because you guys on here talking shit aren't buying their shoes, so they cant afford to keep their riders. Sheesh man I swear sometimes I think people posting on here have got to be 16 living off their mom.
my point exactly.
i take it you work for em...
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DVS have always been horrible...I've always put them in the same category as Globes...shoes that jock-skaters and mall-rats set on the shelf next to their DC's with the huge spray can logo graphic on the side. Some of their skaters are great, but their brand is pure doo-doo.
This -- the teams have never made sense over the years. Even when they were stacked, there were no commonalities between the riders.
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Kenny on sheep!
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i kind of like the idea of kenny hoyle on etnies. seeing him and tyler bledsoe skate together would be like swimming in lotion. but not all gross.
DVS is really going downhill. i could kind of see the reasoning of phasing out dudes like jeron since the guard is changing, but he's been there since day one. his loyalty should've paid off.
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Diamond Shoes is Jeron's.
True indeed!
Jeron is one of the best skaters so I highly doubt that he got kicked off DVS. All those duds are boys and Im sure Jeron and Tim parted
ways in a good way. Plus Jeron is a good dude who's been married for like 15 years or something and his hella good with his money.
The dudes pretty much rich already and with this whole Diamond Shoe thing he'll most likely be set for life.
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i remember skating revivals when i was younger... fucking moon boots.
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DVS = Dead Vomit-inducing Shoes.
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
I never said he wasnt sick. I said he doesnt put out footage. Him being off is the same as him being on. You werent gonna see him skate either way.
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i remember skating revivals when i was younger... fucking moon boots.
had them in pretty much all colors, but that shoe was mainly one solid color. Like all black or all brown.
The gavin cupsole shoe was good, and jeron 3's. With strap
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i remember skating revivals when i was younger... fucking moon boots.
had them in pretty much all colors, but that shoe was mainly one solid color. Like all black or all brown.
The gavin cupsole shoe was good, and jeron 3's. With strap
Still have those in this colorway in my closet only, worn a handfull of times. With strap!
(http://www.absolute-snow.co.uk/ThumbnailGenerator/FixedWidth.aspx?file=/Admin/Images/Larger/d8d4ce28-783f-4ac1-9e5a-94606913d6bfimg_2576.jpg&width=340&maxHeight=350)
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That reminded me that I have a pair of the Black/Green/White Jeron 2s that I only wore a few times and never skated.
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That reminded me that I have a pair of the Black/Green/White Jeron 2s that I only wore a few times and never skated.
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i remember skating revivals when i was younger... fucking moon boots.
had them in pretty much all colors, but that shoe was mainly one solid color. Like all black or all brown.
The gavin cupsole shoe was good, and jeron 3's. With strap
Still have those in this colorway in my closet only, worn a handfull of times. With strap!
(http://www.absolute-snow.co.uk/ThumbnailGenerator/FixedWidth.aspx?file=/Admin/Images/Larger/d8d4ce28-783f-4ac1-9e5a-94606913d6bfimg_2576.jpg&width=340&maxHeight=350)
Those are beautiful shoes.
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i remember skating revivals when i was younger... fucking moon boots.
had them in pretty much all colors, but that shoe was mainly one solid color. Like all black or all brown.
The gavin cupsole shoe was good, and jeron 3's. With strap
"with the strap..."
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
I never said he wasnt sick. I said he doesnt put out footage. Him being off is the same as him being on. You werent gonna see him skate either way.
You're a dingus, did you even skate before youtube existed?
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some of dills dvs were awesome, lasted a long time skate wise...
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That reminded me that I have a pair of the Black/Green/White Jeron 2s that I only wore a few times and never skated.
clean, that shoe really lasted a long fucking time. Jeron 2/3's are on point. With strap
But i don't think i will be buying DVS now or in the future, though.
DVS used to always make "HA" shoes. High Abrasion, you don't see those much in shoes now.
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DVS have always been horrible...I've always put them in the same category as Globes...shoes that jock-skaters and mall-rats set on the shelf next to their DC's with the huge spray can logo graphic on the side. Some of their skaters are great, but their brand is pure doo-doo.
This -- the teams have never made sense over the years. Even when they were stacked, there were no commonalities between the riders.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/SKumnT0zlTI/AAAAAAAABQ8/R3QQmvRuErw/s400/jeronhydrantchrome.jpg)
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/SKumnT0zlTI/AAAAAAAABQ8/R3QQmvRuErw/s1600-h/jeronhydrantchrome.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/SKumnT0zlTI/AAAAAAAABQ8/R3QQmvRuErw/s1600-h/jeronhydrantchrome.jpg)
Fabian Alomar/ Chico Brenes/ Daniel Castillo/ Tim Gavin/ Keenan Milton/ Richard Mulder/ Eric Pupecki/ Gabriel Rodriguez/ Sean Sheffey/ Daewon Song/ Jeron Wilson
The OG team made sense- LA dudes sponsored by a World or Girl company. Too bad they didn't make a video back in this era.
I think I only ever had the Berra 2's (might have been 3's) about 10 years ago, they were ok; their shit usually seems too clunky for my tastes.
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DVS have always been horrible...I've always put them in the same category as Globes...shoes that jock-skaters and mall-rats set on the shelf next to their DC's with the huge spray can logo graphic on the side. Some of their skaters are great, but their brand is pure doo-doo.
before everything was a re-hashed version of half cabs/bmx style shoe (don't believe me go look at some bmx shoes from the early 90's looks exactly like what's being worn today) DVS, Globe, Axion, DC, ES,Adio, osiris were making the best tech shoes in the 90's and that was the trend, in another 10 years I doubt half the 'cool' brands now will be around
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I still have some Berras for going to the gym in , not sure which model but its from the area of huge tounges and moon bootish
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DVS have always been horrible...I've always put them in the same category as Globes...shoes that jock-skaters and mall-rats set on the shelf next to their DC's with the huge spray can logo graphic on the side. Some of their skaters are great, but their brand is pure doo-doo.
This -- the teams have never made sense over the years. Even when they were stacked, there were no commonalities between the riders.
Were you guys around for DVS in the 90's? Last time I wore DVS was when it was just a little warehouse in Northridge with a tiny office and a sick mini. They were decent then. But they became shit so good for Jeron for leaving.
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Obviously times are tough for companies and you can't keep riders forever. Sucks because Jeron has never half stepped in any of his parts up to date. Even if it's rare to see coverage. I don't know why cheeks can stay, but not jeron? is daniel still on? But, you know, they need to pay that dude with the horrible style more money so.....
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(http://www.skatedeluxe.de/images/product_images/popup_images/3550_0.jpg)
yuck
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Obviously times are tough for companies and you can't keep riders forever. Sucks because Jeron has never half stepped in any of his parts up to date. Even if it's rare to see coverage. I don't know why cheeks can stay, but not jeron? is daniel still on? But, you know, they need to pay that dude with the horrible style more money so.....
C'mon son, Chico killed it in the LRG vid.
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(http://distilleryimage1.instagram.com/0f36745e882c11e18cf91231380fd29b_7.jpg)
Jeron is doing just fine. Him and his new Porsche.
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At a time in Jeron's life were seeing a transformation. It happens to all men, you young kids
must recognize your life is not merely a simple existence of hot pockets and nickelbags.
Do you ever wonder at times why Jeron is leisurely getting by in California? Do you ever wonder
why I'm doing the same thing? Jeron enjoys his Arnold Palmers and his with Raquelles fine ass
and that is fine. We all love you and are willing to accompany you in your journey westward.
Thanks fellas, just stating facts for a primal code of endearment.
-Dave
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Joe Tookmanian off DVS was the real story
Is this for real? Id like him fully on Fallen.
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as long as lucien gets shoes
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(http://distilleryimage1.instagram.com/0f36745e882c11e18cf91231380fd29b_7.jpg)
Jeron is doing just fine. Him and his new Porsche.
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100310020033/uncyclopedia/images/9/9e/697.gif)
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(http://distilleryimage1.instagram.com/0f36745e882c11e18cf91231380fd29b_7.jpg)
Jeron is doing just fine. Him and his new Porsche.
No stick?? :-\
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I remember coming up to the city with my dad when I was 15 or so.. We went to this mall and I got these ugly shits because they were on sale..
(http://www.revert.nl/cms_img/dvs_schoen.jpg)
Then we went to another mall, where I basically cried until he drove me to return the DVS's, and come back for these..
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt312/GreenBlazers/IMG_3282.jpg)
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I never had a pair of real DVS but I did have the corduroy slip on which consequently my dog devoured.
Jeron's part in Mouse is underrated. Also, Mouse had such a FUNKY soundtrack. That War track gets the fuck down!
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DVS have always been horrible...I've always put them in the same category as Globes...shoes that jock-skaters and mall-rats set on the shelf next to their DC's with the huge spray can logo graphic on the side. Some of their skaters are great, but their brand is pure doo-doo.
This -- the teams have never made sense over the years. Even when they were stacked, there were no commonalities between the riders.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/SKumnT0zlTI/AAAAAAAABQ8/R3QQmvRuErw/s1600-h/jeronhydrantchrome.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4OE2LlxxWrc/SKumnT0zlTI/AAAAAAAABQ8/R3QQmvRuErw/s1600-h/jeronhydrantchrome.jpg)
Fabian Alomar/ Chico Brenes/ Daniel Castillo/ Tim Gavin/ Keenan Milton/ Richard Mulder/ Eric Pupecki/ Gabriel Rodriguez/ Sean Sheffey/ Daewon Song/ Jeron Wilson
The OG team made sense- LA dudes sponsored by a World or Girl company. Too bad they didn't make a video back in this era.
I think I only ever had the Berra 2's (might have been 3's) about 10 years ago, they were ok; their shit usually seems too clunky for my tastes.
i always loved this ad
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(http://distilleryimage1.instagram.com/0f36745e882c11e18cf91231380fd29b_7.jpg)
Jeron is doing just fine. Him and his new Porsche.
I think the Porsche Panamera is either automatic or sem-auto
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so happy for him, his definately not struggling in that whip.
cool. calm. collected. quiet achiver.
jeron is the man.
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
Jeron Wilson - Goldfish - 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m5f6E3PEN04#)
Correct.
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
Jeron Wilson - Goldfish - 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m5f6E3PEN04#)
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people that actually think like this are fuckin idiots. if you dont get coverage, you should not be sponsored. time to stop living in 1994
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
Jeron Wilson - Goldfish - 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m5f6E3PEN04#)
Pro's need to put out footage, its as simple as that. The choc ams are killing so hard. If your most memorable part was from 94, thats just sad.
Correct.
people that actually think like this are fuckin idiots. if you dont get coverage, you should not be sponsored. time to stop living in 1994
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
Jeron Wilson - Goldfish - 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m5f6E3PEN04#)
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people that actually think like this are fuckin idiots. if you dont get coverage, you should not be sponsored. time to stop living in 1994
Being sponsored is about making your sponsors happy, not feeding the photos/videos section on Slap. We aren't on Girl's board of directors and don't have a say. Deal with it.
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
I never said he wasnt sick. I said he doesnt put out footage. Him being off is the same as him being on. You werent gonna see him skate either way.
Yes? If youre trying to say i have no patience then yes. Youre right. I would rather see rick mccrank getting paid instead of sitting around and hoping that jeron will bless me with one 15 second clip for the entire year.
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
Jeron Wilson - Goldfish - 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m5f6E3PEN04#)
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people that actually think like this are fuckin idiots. if you dont get coverage, you should not be sponsored. time to stop living in 1994
Being sponsored is about making your sponsors happy, not feeding the photos/videos section on Slap. We aren't on Girl's board of directors and don't have a say. Deal with it.
Who cares about what bring sponsored means. Caring about brands is stupid.
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
Jeron Wilson - Goldfish - 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m5f6E3PEN04#)
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people that actually think like this are fuckin idiots. if you dont get coverage, you should not be sponsored. time to stop living in 1994
Being sponsored is about making your sponsors happy, not feeding the photos/videos section on Slap. We aren't on Girl's board of directors and don't have a say. Deal with it.
getting coverage is what makes your sponsors happy, end of story
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Who cares. He never puts out footage anyways. Youre on the same team as mike carroll. You dont have excuses.
Jeron Wilson - Goldfish - 1994 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m5f6E3PEN04#)
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people that actually think like this are fuckin idiots. if you dont get coverage, you should not be sponsored. time to stop living in 1994
Being sponsored is about making your sponsors happy, not feeding the photos/videos section on Slap. We aren't on Girl's board of directors and don't have a say. Deal with it.
selling boards is what makes your sponsors happy, end of story
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Look. I look at it from the perspective of being a viewer and as a viewer what do i want to see? Skateboarding. or maybe some quirky lifestyle shit or something funny. The only reason a team change is even relevant is because it means i either see more footy or more crazy shit from a given team. If neither are happening why the fuck should i care? History? Tenure? Because he rides for Girl? Fuck that.
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I don't care for Portia's let alone that ugly ass hatch back thing, but Jeron has some banging abs.