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Title: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on February 13, 2013, 08:47:09 PM
so what's the deal with these?
I've never heard anything about them until I saw them on instagram

(http://distilleryimage10.s3.amazonaws.com/492b8610754b11e2b74e22000a9e07d7_7.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pile on February 13, 2013, 08:53:33 PM
so what's the deal with these?
I've never heard anything about them until I saw them on instagram

(http://distilleryimage10.s3.amazonaws.com/492b8610754b11e2b74e22000a9e07d7_7.jpg)

someone gave the gobstopper to slugworth perhaps?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ryantology on February 13, 2013, 09:09:59 PM
they reeeeeaaal good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on February 13, 2013, 09:33:29 PM
I've been riding them for the last year. Awesome feel, no flat spots, grip when you want and slide on command and noticably faster than anything else I've tried.
They are a true natural urethane color, that might be weird to some, you get used to it fast, especially considering how great the wheels are.
I think all the bugs are worked out, look for them soonish.
For those of you that have had poor luck with the fire in the past, these will not disappoint.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on February 13, 2013, 09:36:57 PM
I've been riding them for the last year. Awesome feel, no flat spots, grip when you want and slide on command and noticably faster than anything else I've tried.
They are a true natural urethane color, that might be weird to some, you get used to it fast, especially considering how great the wheels are.
I think all the bugs are worked out, look for them soonish.
For those of you that have had poor luck with the fire in the past, these will not disappoint.

sounds enticing
the f1's were the first "street" wheels I got but I was sorta bummed when they flatspotted (this was years ago, so they may have changed up the wheels a while ago).  I've ridden stf's for the longest time and I don't have huge complaints, but they can get pretty slippery on some surfaces.  I would have stuck with prize fighters had they not flat spotted as well.

Hopefully the formula fours will satisfy me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on February 13, 2013, 09:40:38 PM
I was also skeptical, on average f1's lasted me about 4 days before they were unrideable.
I rode bones because frankly they lasted the longest, they slide well but are too icy on some terrains.
I've had about 10 sets of the 4's, as they developed them, I skate a lot and tend to be really hard on wheels as I slide a ton, bluntslides,lipslides and lots of powerslides.
Have yet to flatspot a set. Not saying it can't be done on a long hill holding slides as long as you can, but with normal skating I haven't gotten one yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on February 13, 2013, 09:49:00 PM
I was also skeptical, on average f1's lasted me about 4 days before they were unrideable.
I rode bones because frankly they lasted the longest, they slide well but are too icy on some terrains.
I've had about 10 sets of the 4's, as they developed them, I skate a lot and tend to be really hard on wheels as I slide a ton, bluntslides,lipslides and lots of powerslides.
Have yet to flatspot a set. Not saying it can't be done on a long hill holding slides as long as you can, but with normal skating I haven't gotten one yet.


awesome, thanks for the info b.v.
the spring catalog is out already for spitfire, do you think they'll be out by summertime?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on February 13, 2013, 09:55:25 PM
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I was also skeptical, on average f1's lasted me about 4 days before they were unrideable.
I rode bones because frankly they lasted the longest, they slide well but are too icy on some terrains.
I've had about 10 sets of the 4's, as they developed them, I skate a lot and tend to be really hard on wheels as I slide a ton, bluntslides,lipslides and lots of powerslides.
Have yet to flatspot a set. Not saying it can't be done on a long hill holding slides as long as you can, but with normal skating I haven't gotten one yet.

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awesome, thanks for the info b.v.
the spring catalog is out already for spitfire, do you think they'll be out by summertime?

Hope so, really wanting to take some sales from Bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on February 13, 2013, 10:05:11 PM
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I was also skeptical, on average f1's lasted me about 4 days before they were unrideable.
I rode bones because frankly they lasted the longest, they slide well but are too icy on some terrains.
I've had about 10 sets of the 4's, as they developed them, I skate a lot and tend to be really hard on wheels as I slide a ton, bluntslides,lipslides and lots of powerslides.
Have yet to flatspot a set. Not saying it can't be done on a long hill holding slides as long as you can, but with normal skating I haven't gotten one yet.

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awesome, thanks for the info b.v.
the spring catalog is out already for spitfire, do you think they'll be out by summertime?

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Loving the GY!BE Reference in your Cosby sig. Haha

haha yeah I had a good laugh when I saw it
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ZEBRA on February 13, 2013, 11:17:28 PM
I heard that Spitfire is gonna start making a wheel that doesn't yellow as fast, like Bones. Any truth to that or has anyone else heard that??

Or maybe these are it??
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on February 13, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on February 14, 2013, 01:24:48 AM
I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on February 14, 2013, 07:09:43 AM
Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible
Lately I have been seeing more stf's coming in to my shop flatspotted.
I don't think they're as good as they once were.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on February 14, 2013, 07:10:24 AM
People in the know have been talking about these Spirfire's for a while now on the boards. I def want to try them after a pair of Busenitz Street Burner I had flatspotted in literally one session...

I had these 54MM AWOL Spits, and they never gave me an issue. I think it's because the wheel wasn't wide - it was supposed to be better to lock into grinds. I still don't know what the difference between AWOL's and Lock-In's are...Anyone? Does anyone swear by these for their performance? It's kind of the opposite of that Wide Manderson Wheel you see around a lot now...


(http://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/p/spitcole_awol53.jpg)
(http://www.mnl.dk/shared/8/8496a92851caeb6fb236f87978ea81d3_h100w800_width.JPG)


Either way - It's nice to see Spitfire making a splash in the market again. Always rode and liked them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on February 14, 2013, 07:31:42 AM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=68020.msg1849395#msg1849395 date=1360854624
People in the know have been talking about these Spirfire's for a while now on the boards. I def want to try them after a pair of Busenitz Street Burner I had flatspotted in literally one session...

I had these 54MM AWOL Spits, and they never gave me an issue. I think it's because the wheel wasn't wide - it was supposed to be better to lock into grinds. I still don't know what the difference between AWOL's and Lock-In's are...Anyone? Does anyone swear by these for their performance? It's kind of the opposite of that Wide Manderson Wheel you see around a lot now...
Either way - It's nice to see Spitfire making a splash in the market again. Always rode and liked them.

AWOL cut is closer to the bones spf conical? shape
(http://livewellsports.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/W/1WBONMARPU05400_1.png)
The flat edge locks into coping better, versus a radius cut that rolls off and releases from coping easier.
The lockins have a square backside and a conical shape on the front. So they're not reversible.
The shape I have been riding is a new one for spitfire, it is close to the bones spf shape but slightly wider.
(http://cdn.companybe.com/Premier/product_photos/large/xl_8-15-12SpitfireTeamStreetBurnersEmbursBlack54mm.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on February 14, 2013, 08:27:52 AM


The shape I have been riding is a new one for spitfire, it is close to the bones spf shape but slightly wider.
(http://cdn.companybe.com/Premier/product_photos/large/xl_8-15-12SpitfireTeamStreetBurnersEmbursBlack54mm.jpg)
 

This is the kind of wheel I'm looking to buy once formula four is out.
They make the stfs in the v2 shape, which people say have problems with bearings popping out but I've had no such problems yet.
How are the emburs?  Like I said before, the last set of spitfires I rode/flatspotted were years ago, maybe spitfire has been improving the formula over the years?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sleepypancakes on February 14, 2013, 08:58:27 AM
I've been playing around with a bunch of different wheel companies since I got pissed with flat-spotting spitfires. They're good while they last, they just need to last, I've tried Broadcast, Autobahn, Bones, Paradise, Momentum, OJIIIs, Pigs, and even Satoris. I'm on to this new brand called The Portland Wheel Co. now and haven't gotten to skate them yet. The Broadcast, Bones, Paradise and Satoris were all decently good wheels, but I'm really excited about being able to support Spitfire again with their new formula.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fookya on February 14, 2013, 09:13:35 AM
I've been seeing pictures of these wheels here and there for the past year, I'm excited to try them. I've been riding pretty much only spitfire classics for a long time, I've never had problems with them flat spotting or anything and they feel great on all terrain. bones stf always felt shitty to me, more like plastic then urethan and slips on everything. I hope these come out good though, I would mind a spitfire that slid a tad bit easier.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: solo on February 14, 2013, 09:39:12 AM
the prototype f4's are the best wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DarthMallGrab on February 14, 2013, 02:15:13 PM
A few friends and I were lucky enough to get a tour around DLX by the man Mic-E himself. He gave us each a set of formula fours with just the classic team logo on them and the urethane is that natural off-white color which i think looks sick. The wheels are a lot slicker than any other spitfire wheel Iv ever ridden. I would put it just under stf's as far as slipperiness. Maybe more like the "skatepark formula".
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on February 14, 2013, 09:26:04 PM
I've been playing around with a bunch of different wheel companies since I got pissed with flat-spotting spitfires. They're good while they last, they just need to last, I've tried Broadcast, Autobahn, Bones, Paradise, Momentum, OJIIIs, Pigs, and even Satoris. I'm on to this new brand called The Portland Wheel Co. now and haven't gotten to skate them yet. The Broadcast, Bones, Paradise and Satoris were all decently good wheels, but I'm really excited about being able to support Spitfire again with their new formula.

Prize Fighter Cutlery will not disappoint you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on February 14, 2013, 09:40:30 PM
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I've been playing around with a bunch of different wheel companies since I got pissed with flat-spotting spitfires. They're good while they last, they just need to last, I've tried Broadcast, Autobahn, Bones, Paradise, Momentum, OJIIIs, Pigs, and even Satoris. I'm on to this new brand called The Portland Wheel Co. now and haven't gotten to skate them yet. The Broadcast, Bones, Paradise and Satoris were all decently good wheels, but I'm really excited about being able to support Spitfire again with their new formula.
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Prize Fighter Cutlery will not disappoint you

Granted they only flatspotted on a pretty rough hill in SF, I'm still iffy about buying another set
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank on February 15, 2013, 01:07:23 AM
^

mine held up really good, i only changed my set because a) after riding them a lot for three months or so they just wore down below 51mm and i usually change em when they get to 50mm, b) i broke a few bearings mid session, went home and just couldn't pop out the outer ring of two broken bearings, so i ended up setting up new wheels and bearings because i was stocked on that at the time. i have a set of 54mm pfcs left that i will set up once the weather gets decent.

that said, the f4 spitfires sound a lot like they ride like pfcs which is cool because i can get them at my local. i'd rather like to be able to buy pfcs or sml. or whatever at more shops though. it's always the same, you got bones, spits, maybe autobahn or hubba, then the rest is some branded wheels which are usually hit or miss. why not leave out the branded crap and get a real alternative instead?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on February 15, 2013, 12:05:09 PM
I've been riding these since my trip to San Fransisco in June, they're amazing! I've had some chipping but it's only on the edges so I don?t notice it when riding. I used to only skate STF and didn't even bother with streetburners because I saw a lot of people flatspotting them, but I felt right at home with theese. super good wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: I Can't Think on February 15, 2013, 07:41:24 PM
I've been riding these since my trip to San Fransisco in June, they're amazing! I've had some chipping but it's only on the edges so I don?t notice it when riding. I used to only skate STF and didn't even bother with streetburners because I saw a lot of people flatspotting them, but I felt right at home with theese. super good wheels

You've just solidified my next wheel purchase. I rode STF until they were to small and ended up winning some element wheels which are meh (bearings pop out like crazy). This sounds like a less slippy but just as tough wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeputyDoses on February 16, 2013, 01:46:40 PM
My first wheels were a pair of TNT edition Spitfire classics around 4 1/2 years ago. Needless to say, I wasn't very happy with their performance. And it's pretty expensive to buy new classics every month or two. SO, I've been riding Bones STFs for around 4 years. And I've skated a pair of Ricta naturals in between pairs of STFs a couple years back.
Now, I love bones, but I can completely agree that they can feel a bit too... Icy at times. But it's nothing horrendous.

I was never into the F1's, I know that a lot of pros had to promote the wheels, but most of them ended up just skating classics when it was all said and done. And I received mixed reviews from friends, so I said "fuck that shit."

If these Spits are really as good as people are saying they are, I might have to try out a pair.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cameron Hoegee on February 16, 2013, 08:31:34 PM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=68020.msg1849395#msg1849395 date=1360854624
People in the know have been talking about these Spirfire's for a while now on the boards. I def want to try them after a pair of Busenitz Street Burner I had flatspotted in literally one session...

I had these 54MM AWOL Spits, and they never gave me an issue. I think it's because the wheel wasn't wide - it was supposed to be better to lock into grinds. I still don't know what the difference between AWOL's and Lock-In's are...Anyone? Does anyone swear by these for their performance? It's kind of the opposite of that Wide Manderson Wheel you see around a lot now...


(http://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/p/spitcole_awol53.jpg)
(http://www.mnl.dk/shared/8/8496a92851caeb6fb236f87978ea81d3_h100w800_width.JPG)


Either way - It's nice to see Spitfire making a splash in the market again. Always rode and liked them.
See I had a different experience with these. they flat spotted every five fucking minutes and didn't lock in as well as they were meant to.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hamish on February 17, 2013, 03:30:18 AM
When do these drop?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: imgne on February 20, 2013, 02:18:10 AM
Quote from: The Nose Face ? link=topic=68020.msg1849395#msg1849395 date=1360854624
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People in the know have been talking about these Spirfire's for a while now on the boards. I def want to try them after a pair of Busenitz Street Burner I had flatspotted in literally one session...

I had these 54MM AWOL Spits, and they never gave me an issue. I think it's because the wheel wasn't wide - it was supposed to be better to lock into grinds. I still don't know what the difference between AWOL's and Lock-In's are...Anyone? Does anyone swear by these for their performance? It's kind of the opposite of that Wide Manderson Wheel you see around a lot now...


(http://www.blacksheepstore.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/p/spitcole_awol53.jpg)
(http://www.mnl.dk/shared/8/8496a92851caeb6fb236f87978ea81d3_h100w800_width.JPG)


Either way - It's nice to see Spitfire making a splash in the market again. Always rode and liked them.
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See I had a different experience with these. they flat spotted every five fucking minutes and didn't lock in as well as they were meant to.

Those lock-in wheels are shithouse, the side with the graphic on it is the only side that will lock-in the way they're ment to... what is meant to be the inside is the same as any other shitfire wheel cut.

If you want a wheel that does lock-properly on both sides, get spf slims or gtfo!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rlang on March 19, 2013, 08:32:02 AM
When the fuck are these coming out?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on March 19, 2013, 11:24:56 AM
When the fuck are these coming out?

B.V. said in another thread in another month or two...something along the lines of right before summer I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SKATE DAD on March 20, 2013, 07:44:02 PM
Been riding these for a year or so ... awesome. Love 'em.
When will they be released? (If you know)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 20, 2013, 08:14:01 PM
The formula 4 urethane is set to be released for the summer I heard.
They are taking every precaution to make sure the product is top notch.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hamish on March 20, 2013, 11:58:25 PM
The formula 4 urethane is set to be released for the summer I heard.
They are taking every precaution to make sure the product is top notch.
So... in one of the next DLX drops? I hope so, I need some new wheels soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pile on March 21, 2013, 12:38:03 AM
i really hope that they are on par with the bones stf. i'd much prefer to buy a spitfire wheel, but the ones i've bought in the past just crap out too quickly. i'm excited to try these out and hopefully never look back.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 21, 2013, 07:10:39 AM
I've ridden 6 sets, given out a dozen, not one flatspot from any of them.
I usually destroy wheels(including bones), I've tried to flat these, held a slide for the length of 2 parking spots,nothing.
The natural color will bum some people out, those who don't care will have awesome wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on March 22, 2013, 12:25:37 AM
I've ridden 6 sets, given out a dozen, not one flatspot from any of them.
I usually destroy wheels(including bones), I've tried to flat these, held a slide for the length of 2 parking spots,nothing.
The natural color will bum some people out, those who don't care will have awesome wheels.
Whats the natural color?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on March 22, 2013, 03:33:27 AM
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I've ridden 6 sets, given out a dozen, not one flatspot from any of them.
I usually destroy wheels(including bones), I've tried to flat these, held a slide for the length of 2 parking spots,nothing.
The natural color will bum some people out, those who don't care will have awesome wheels.
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Whats the natural color?
it's off white, not like stf's bright white color
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 22, 2013, 11:40:48 AM
Here is the set I am currently on, been skating them for a week.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0783.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on March 22, 2013, 11:47:41 AM
Here is the set I am currently on, been skating them for a week.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0783.jpg)

O ok it's sort of like a baize color. I would definitely be down to try a pair when they come out this summer. Do you work for dlx or something?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 22, 2013, 11:56:48 AM
I run a shop and I have friends that work for dlx, they take good care of me and my shop so I do my best to support them.
Certified dick rider I guess.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on March 22, 2013, 12:01:24 PM
I run a shop and I have friends that work for dlx, they take good care of me and my shop so I do my best to support them.
Certified dick rider I guess.

No that's rad man. Where is your shop located?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on March 22, 2013, 12:11:53 PM
hey b.v.
was just wondering if you have any idea about the shapes they're going to release on their first drop?
I kinda like the flatter/conical shapes as opposed to the classic shapes (although I'm fine with whatever).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 22, 2013, 01:20:14 PM
Ive ridden both, they plan on doing a few shapes I was told but everything is subject to change.
I heard this shape is supposed to be put in production with the formuala 4 urethane.
(http://www.skate-europe.com/common/zdjecia/98762-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on March 22, 2013, 03:56:54 PM
Here is the set I am currently on, been skating them for a week.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0783.jpg)

I actually think the off white color looks pretty sick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on March 22, 2013, 04:26:18 PM
Ive ridden both, they plan on doing a few shapes I was told but things change and everything is subject to change.
I heard this shape is supposed to be put in production with the formuala 4 urethane.
(http://www.skate-europe.com/common/zdjecia/98762-1.jpg)


good to know man, thanks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 22, 2013, 06:33:10 PM
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I run a shop and I have friends that work for dlx, they take good care of me and my shop so I do my best to support them.
Certified dick rider I guess.

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No that's rad man. Where is your shop located?
We are in Washington state south of Seattle.
https://www.facebook.com/35thave (https://www.facebook.com/35thave)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zoltan on March 22, 2013, 08:13:10 PM
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Here is the set I am currently on, been skating them for a week.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0783.jpg)

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I actually think the off white color looks pretty sick.

yeah and im sure your wheels will look a better color after skating them long, maybe a more natural yellow. The streetburners turn kinda bright yellow and fuck i keep flatspoting the shit out of them. they feel fine in the streets but at a park i get over it. especially when i try to take a run in the bowl and it sounds like a fucking motorcycle
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on March 22, 2013, 10:17:18 PM
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I run a shop and I have friends that work for dlx, they take good care of me and my shop so I do my best to support them.
Certified dick rider I guess.

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No that's rad man. Where is your shop located?
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We are in Washington state south of Seattle.
https://www.facebook.com/35thave (https://www.facebook.com/35thave)
I was wondering what those stickers were on your board in the post your set up thread. You got a rad set up man. That gonz board looks amazing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on March 25, 2013, 08:16:56 AM
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I run a shop and I have friends that work for dlx, they take good care of me and my shop so I do my best to support them.
Certified dick rider I guess.

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No that's rad man. Where is your shop located?
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We are in Washington state south of Seattle.

Next to the record shop right, B.V. ?

I came in there on vacation back in september and bought this shirt at the shop:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7266/7118773127_44f60e619f.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 25, 2013, 08:45:59 AM
No that is 35th north.
We are the original shop in federal way.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stoeipoes on March 25, 2013, 11:08:05 AM
I ride mostly bones 100's. But I tried Spitfire F1's but I didn't like the feel of them from the first day on. Skated them till they flatspotted 2 months later and got some bones 100's again. Way better for me.

I'm gonna try these when they come out. But spitfire isn't doing it for me in the past.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeputyDoses on March 25, 2013, 01:01:28 PM
I ride mostly bones 100's. But I tried Spitfire F1's but I didn't like the feel of them from the first day on. Skated them till they flatspotted 2 months later and got some bones 100's again. Way better for me.

I'm gonna try these when they come out. But spitfire isn't doing it for me in the past.
(probably a ridiculous question) have you tried bones STFs?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stoeipoes on March 25, 2013, 06:26:49 PM
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I ride mostly bones 100's. But I tried Spitfire F1's but I didn't like the feel of them from the first day on. Skated them till they flatspotted 2 months later and got some bones 100's again. Way better for me.

I'm gonna try these when they come out. But spitfire isn't doing it for me in the past.
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(probably a ridiculous question) have you tried bones STFs?

Never. 100's do it for me and those stf's feel like plastic and are more expensive.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: the canadian suit on March 26, 2013, 05:22:32 PM
I skated Spitfires for 8ish years....Tried STF's once and they felt like walmart wheels to me, though. I switched to Prize Fighters about a year ago and now I won't skate anything else. Nothing else is as resilient, but I guess these formula fours may be...I'd be down to give em a shot.

And to the dude that said he flatspotted PFC's once and never went back, are you joking? I've flatspotted every set of wheels I've ever owned ever... That's no reason to abandon a company entirely.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on March 26, 2013, 05:44:40 PM
similar situation with me, skated Spits for nearly two decades then switched to PFCs.
these 4s are pretty damn good once you get past the color.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Powdered Toast Man! on March 26, 2013, 06:53:45 PM
The natural color will bum some people out, those who don't care will have awesome wheels.
you can always dye them
i'll experiment with some generic wheels i got handed down until the spitfires come out
the F4 white looks alright though

How to dye your OJ'S (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1K1x0K8VZs#)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on March 26, 2013, 10:04:26 PM
I skated Spitfires for 8ish years....Tried STF's once and they felt like walmart wheels to me, though. I switched to Prize Fighters about a year ago and now I won't skate anything else. Nothing else is as resilient, but I guess these formula fours may be...I'd be down to give em a shot.

And to the dude that said he flatspotted PFC's once and never went back, are you joking? I've flatspotted every set of wheels I've ever owned ever... That's no reason to abandon a company entirely.

I wouldn't switch back to anything other than PFC's either. I've tried to flatspot them and couldn't do it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on March 26, 2013, 10:19:38 PM
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I skated Spitfires for 8ish years....Tried STF's once and they felt like walmart wheels to me, though. I switched to Prize Fighters about a year ago and now I won't skate anything else. Nothing else is as resilient, but I guess these formula fours may be...I'd be down to give em a shot.

And to the dude that said he flatspotted PFC's once and never went back, are you joking? I've flatspotted every set of wheels I've ever owned ever... That's no reason to abandon a company entirely.
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I wouldn't switch back to anything other than PFC's either. I've tried to flatspot them and couldn't do it.

I only had one set of PFC's, and it only flatspotted once I tried powersliding on a super rough hill.  So it's not that I don't think they're bad wheels, but since STFs were bearable for me, I just stuck with that. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gaunting on March 26, 2013, 11:03:10 PM
Spitfire for life! Can't wait for f4's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zoltan on April 09, 2013, 11:44:10 PM
just got hooked up with a set!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8123/8637146924_2284f370fd.jpg)

here is them next to F1's

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8381/8636040299_e70eeacc9f.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: peewee on April 10, 2013, 09:21:09 PM
the color of them just makes me think of unsold wheels sitting in the shop forever
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hamish on April 10, 2013, 10:59:29 PM
They don't look tooooo bad, as long as they stay like that for the most part.

Can't wait for them to drop, haven't ridden Spitfires in years.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on April 10, 2013, 11:26:30 PM
I think the color looks fine...I honestly wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't for the comparison.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on April 10, 2013, 11:36:46 PM
It's not bad, just different.
I really dig the way they power slide.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zoltan on April 11, 2013, 12:16:45 AM
i think they will look better after being skated compared to other white wheels that turn a more unnatural yellow. my street burners right now are turning a bright yellow cant wait to set up the f4's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 11, 2013, 12:50:06 AM
the color of them just makes me think of unsold wheels sitting in the shop forever
Had a set of Pig's at the local shop that no one would buy, and they just sat there for months, and the color they ended up turning sort of reminds me of how the F4's look, ahah.
But, as I mentioned earlier, I don't even mind the off white color. I think it looks pretty sick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hamish on April 11, 2013, 01:30:30 AM
Zoltan, do you know what shape those are?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zoltan on April 12, 2013, 11:00:00 PM
Zoltan, do you know what shape those are?

not sure looks like the classics maybe? they are about the same maybe a little thinner than f1's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 14, 2013, 03:28:28 PM
I'm definitely buying a set once they're available. Any confirmed dates? (The page before just had estimates.)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on April 14, 2013, 03:30:32 PM
Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 14, 2013, 03:33:39 PM
k.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Made In China on April 14, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
Quote from: Tracer ? link=topic=68020.msg1892283#msg1892283 date=1365978632
Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
you seriously blow
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeputyDoses on April 14, 2013, 08:08:18 PM
Zoltan - let us know how they skate! I haven't had a set of spitfires in years.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on April 14, 2013, 08:14:06 PM
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Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
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you seriously blow
some people just can't handle the truth. they see the cool spitfire logo and hand over the moneys
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on April 17, 2013, 06:02:23 PM
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/burnclub/signup.php)
http://spitfirewheels.com/burnclub/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/burnclub/)

Coming next month.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on April 17, 2013, 07:13:41 PM
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Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
[close]
you seriously blow
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some people just can't handle the truth. they see the cool spitfire logo and hand over the moneys

I really do not like you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on April 17, 2013, 07:18:07 PM
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/burnclub/signup.php)
http://spitfirewheels.com/burnclub/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/burnclub/)

Coming next month.

Whatever that is, I signed up for it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on April 17, 2013, 07:31:42 PM
(https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/17388_494749540579577_239789277_n.jpg)
oops, guess the first image didn't work.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pile on April 17, 2013, 10:12:53 PM
i got a set the other day, i'm hyped to try them out... the color is really weird but, i'm sure i'll get over it.

Edit: they are really rad, did tons of powerslides and a bunch of bluntslides as well! No problems whatsoever, and they skate pretty smoothly.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on April 22, 2013, 09:45:06 PM
Won that Burn Fourever Instagram give away thingy  today, so I should have mine within a week or two. Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on May 01, 2013, 08:32:18 AM
Shops should be getting this month I'm guessing - B.V. or anyone else - did your local shop get them in at all yet?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on May 01, 2013, 01:15:21 PM
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Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
[close]
you seriously blow
[close]
some people just can't handle the truth. they see the cool spitfire logo and hand over the moneys
[close]

I really do not like you
Bro, its fukkin true. Spitfires are garbage compared to Bones

Bones don't flatspot, spitfires do, end of story
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on May 01, 2013, 02:12:15 PM
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Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
[close]
you seriously blow
[close]
some people just can't handle the truth. they see the cool spitfire logo and hand over the moneys
[close]

I really do not like you
[close]
Bro, its fukkin true. Spitfires are garbage compared to Bones

Bones don't flatspot, spitfires do, end of story

This is what I thought before I got to try f4. If the final product is as good as the sample I got I'll never buy another wheel again
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: toque on May 01, 2013, 03:23:09 PM
I'm not a big spitfire fan but I'd like to try these.  I think the color is actually sort of neat. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on May 01, 2013, 04:30:39 PM
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Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
[close]
you seriously blow
[close]
some people just can't handle the truth. they see the cool spitfire logo and hand over the moneys
[close]

I really do not like you
[close]
Bro, its fukkin true. Spitfires are garbage compared to Bones

Bones don't flatspot, spitfires do, end of story

[close]
This is what I thought before I got to try f4. If the final product is as good as the sample I got I'll never buy another wheel again
What don't you like about bones wheels? They have been good forever

Just don't see why people need to change a good thing
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 01, 2013, 06:22:37 PM
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Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
[close]
you seriously blow
[close]
some people just can't handle the truth. they see the cool spitfire logo and hand over the moneys
[close]

I really do not like you
[close]
Bro, its fukkin true. Spitfires are garbage compared to Bones

Bones don't flatspot, spitfires do, end of story

sorry you can't afford spitfires that are better even though you have to replace them more often, and you have to buy shitty bones because they last longer. Length isn't the only deciding factor of which wheel is better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on May 01, 2013, 06:40:09 PM
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Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
[close]
you seriously blow
[close]
some people just can't handle the truth. they see the cool spitfire logo and hand over the moneys
[close]

I really do not like you
[close]
Bro, its fukkin true. Spitfires are garbage compared to Bones

Bones don't flatspot, spitfires do, end of story
[close]

sorry you can't afford spitfires that are better even though you have to replace them more often, and you have to buy shitty bones because they last longer. Length isn't the only deciding factor of which wheel is better.
define better
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on May 01, 2013, 07:43:55 PM
better = the one you like better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on May 02, 2013, 03:02:07 PM
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Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
[close]
you seriously blow
[close]
some people just can't handle the truth. they see the cool spitfire logo and hand over the moneys
[close]

I really do not like you
[close]
Bro, its fukkin true. Spitfires are garbage compared to Bones

Bones don't flatspot, spitfires do, end of story

[close]
This is what I thought before I got to try f4. If the final product is as good as the sample I got I'll never buy another wheel again
[close]
What don't you like about bones wheels? They have been good forever

Just don't see why people need to change a good thing
I got love for DLX, and bones are usually more expensive... don't know how f4  will be priced yet though
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on May 05, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
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Bones makes spitfire obsolete. Unless they man up and put a flatspot guarantee on the F4's FUCK SPITFIRE

Even Darkstar can make wheels that don't flatspot, spitfire is a joke
[close]
you seriously blow
[close]
some people just can't handle the truth. they see the cool spitfire logo and hand over the moneys
[close]

I really do not like you
[close]
Bro, its fukkin true. Spitfires are garbage compared to Bones

Bones don't flatspot, spitfires do, end of story

[close]
This is what I thought before I got to try f4. If the final product is as good as the sample I got I'll never buy another wheel again
[close]
What don't you like about bones wheels? They have been good forever

Just don't see why people need to change a good thing
[close]
I got love for DLX, and bones are usually more expensive... don't know how f4  will be priced yet though

I'm aware that Tracer's a jerkjob but he is kinda right about the bones/spitfire debate, people just buy spitfire cause their favorite skaters ride for them and they have pretty graphics. If you like the smoothness of spitfire wheels there's a dozen brands out there offering the same shit.

Bones are cheap since they'll last you a good year or more depending on how low you can tolerate your wheel size.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on May 05, 2013, 10:45:11 PM
Well when people get there hands on A set of the new formula 4 spitfire wheels, it won't be for image.
They're damn good wheels that in my varied experience both first and second hand do not flat spot.
Meaning over a dozen sets locally given to folks that destroy wheels on a regular basis that NEVER flatspotted them and continue to ride them until they come across another set.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on May 05, 2013, 10:49:06 PM
Well when people get there hands on A set of the new formula 4 spitfire wheels, it won't be for image.
They're damn good wheels that in my varied experience both first and second hand do not flat spot.
Meaning over a dozen sets locally given to folks that destroy wheels on a regular basis that NEVER flatspotted them and continue to ride them until they come across another set.



Can't judge the F4 but when it comes to the F1/big head blablabla models it's a whole different story
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ice nine on May 05, 2013, 11:10:34 PM
i flatspotted one of my stf's last week when i got caught on a rock at a foundation spot. its possible
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jack2jack on May 06, 2013, 06:27:10 AM
i flatspotted one of my stf's last week when i got caught on a rock at a foundation spot. its possible

I have experiencedthis too. but when you continue to ride em for a week or so the flatspot will be gone and doesn?t come back like with other wheels....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on May 06, 2013, 09:11:06 AM
Past few months I've seen dozens of flatted stf's, right out of the gate too.
Something must have changed in the formula. No one usually had problems before.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jerrys_kids on May 06, 2013, 09:17:36 AM
Tracer I want you to know that I despise who you are on a  cellular level.

Due Date: Best Scene - (Spit in the Dogs face) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e10eMU_Uz44#ws)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ThugWaffle on May 08, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
I need wheels right now, but im willing to wait for these to come out, that is if theyre coming out this month like deluxe says.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: schmuckface killah on May 08, 2013, 02:10:59 PM
the color of them just makes me think of unsold wheels sitting in the shop forever
Thats probably what they are, the dudes in marketing probably just said call it something cool like formula 4 and tell people they wont flatspot and we'll get rid of these shitty yellow wheels in no time
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dankradschwag on May 09, 2013, 02:00:02 PM
spitfire wheels really suck really bad, just throwing that out there
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on May 09, 2013, 02:20:37 PM
spitfire wheels really suck really bad, just throwing that out there
Like I said I didn't even bother with streetburners, I was never into spitfire before I got this wheel. but I've been riding a set of theese since July and they're the muhfuckin' truth!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: soccer mom on May 09, 2013, 03:39:57 PM
Best wheels made!
 I have had 3 pairs they don't flat spot and i'll be damned they almost don't even cone.
The only reason I ever put on new ones was purely because i had more laying around.
you can punish them with month's of power sliding and hill bombs, you won't be bummed
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: floop on May 09, 2013, 03:46:53 PM
Best wheels made!
 I have had 3 pairs they don't flat spot and i'll be damned they almost don't even cone.
The only reason I ever put on new ones was purely because i had more laying around.
you can punish them with month's of power sliding and hill bombs, you won't be bummed

that should be their tag line
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: schmuckface killah on May 10, 2013, 01:10:46 PM
Best wheels made!
 I have had 3 pairs they don't flat spot and i'll be damned they almost don't even cone.
The only reason I ever put on new ones was purely because i had more laying around.
you can punish them with month's of power sliding and hill bombs, you won't be bummed
They cant be that good if you've gone through 3 sets and there not even out yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on May 10, 2013, 02:10:22 PM
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Best wheels made!
 I have had 3 pairs they don't flat spot and i'll be damned they almost don't even cone.
The only reason I ever put on new ones was purely because i had more laying around.
you can punish them with month's of power sliding and hill bombs, you won't be bummed
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They cant be that good if you've gone through 3 sets and there not even out yet.
Pretty sure samples have been floating around since last summer. Weren't they orange first?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: october on May 10, 2013, 09:09:29 PM
 Wheels are wheels. Spitfire, Bones, PFC. They all ride the same, and end up the same way.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chillout on May 10, 2013, 09:24:44 PM
Wheels are wheels. Spitfire, Bones, PFC. They all ride the same, and end up the same way.

bones and spitfires ride the same and end up the same? haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: october on May 10, 2013, 10:49:02 PM
Pretty much. haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zoltan on May 11, 2013, 12:02:13 AM
Pretty much. haha

bones dont really flatspot unless you try to flatspot them, but they are too slippery

spitfires tend to flatspot easy but definitely feel the best

formula 4 = best wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dankradschwag on May 11, 2013, 10:35:43 AM
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bones and spitfires ride the same and end up the same? haha

i have to agree. wheels are wheels. the differences between performance is so meager that it doesnt warrant a ten to fifteen dollar price difference. i've rode satori, paradise, bones, OJ, etc. they are all about the same. the only exception to this is spitfire. they suck.

also, u guys should really buy wheels from smaller brands like satori and paradise. they are good wheels and warrant the support.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: the snake on May 11, 2013, 11:27:35 AM
satori are good. i rode a pricepoint set a friend gave me, and i really appreciated the smoothness(99A) after bones STF(103A)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: october on May 11, 2013, 03:43:09 PM
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Wheels are wheels. Spitfire, Bones, PFC. They all ride the same, and end up the same way.
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bones and spitfires ride the same and end up the same? haha
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i have to agree. wheels are wheels. the differences between performance is so meager that it doesnt warrant a ten to fifteen dollar price difference. i've rode satori, paradise, bones, OJ, etc. they are all about the same. the only exception to this is spitfire. they suck.


also, u guys should really buy wheels from smaller brands like satori and paradise. they are good wheels and warrant the support.

Exactly what I meant, just didn't care to spend the time to explain better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ArrowHeadz on May 12, 2013, 11:56:29 AM
I've flatspotted Bones and Spitfires but Bones feel way too slick compared to Spitfires. Plus Spitfire's have better shapes than Bones, and they personally feel better to me. Plus I'm down with having flatspots so I don't mind flat spotting my Spitfires.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 12, 2013, 03:25:45 PM
The only thing I didn't like about spits was white wheels turning yellow real quick, that's why I only ride colored ones now. Shout out to Darin for keepin me hooked up!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: soccer mom on May 13, 2013, 04:54:02 PM
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Best wheels made!
 I have had 3 pairs they don't flat spot and i'll be damned they almost don't even cone.
The only reason I ever put on new ones was purely because i had more laying around.
you can punish them with month's of power sliding and hill bombs, you won't be bummed
[close]
They cant be that good if you've gone through 3 sets and there not even out yet.
[close]
Yea, so if you actually read what I said. I did'nt "go through" 3 pairs. I just changed them out because i had more, I give them to kids at the park. So yes F4's are that good. Buy some dummies they are almost out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on May 14, 2013, 09:19:33 PM
I just rode around on my backup board cuz it was in my trunk.
I can't stand the sound/feeling of bones stf anymore. 
my fourmula 4's still going strong, can't wait to get them in a conical shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: peewee on May 14, 2013, 09:27:52 PM
when the fuck are they going to release them! its May already, cmon dlx people want to try them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 15, 2013, 02:22:38 AM
I just rode around on my backup board cuz it was in my trunk.
I can't stand the sound/feeling of bones stf anymore. 
my fourmula 4's still going strong, can't wait to get them in a conical shape.

Are they gonna release them in a conical/SFW shape? fuck i hope so
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fookya on May 15, 2013, 09:35:40 AM
I've been riding spitfires pretty much exclusively for the past 10 years. I've tried a few other things here and there, even jumped on the stf craze a few years ago, they just felt horrible, way to slippery and hard. not to mention the shapes are completely miserable, so much so that I would prefer a yellowing flat spotted f1. However, these past year or two I've ridden mostly spitfire classics, all of which for some strange reason haven't yellowed or got any substantial flat spots, and have out performed every f1 set i've had. I'm stoked to try the formula 4 wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on May 15, 2013, 05:58:51 PM
I've been riding spitfires pretty much exclusively for the past 10 years. I've tried a few other things here and there, even jumped on the stf craze a few years ago, they just felt horrible, way to slippery and hard. not to mention the shapes are completely miserable, so much so that I would prefer a yellowing flat spotted f1. However, these past year or two I've ridden mostly spitfire classics, all of which for some strange reason haven't yellowed or got any substantial flat spots, and have out performed every f1 set i've had. I'm stoked to try the formula 4 wheels.
Bones makes 4 stf shapes for all styles of skating, if you can't find one you like you're doing it wrong
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ThugWaffle on May 15, 2013, 07:29:46 PM
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I've been riding spitfires pretty much exclusively for the past 10 years. I've tried a few other things here and there, even jumped on the stf craze a few years ago, they just felt horrible, way to slippery and hard. not to mention the shapes are completely miserable, so much so that I would prefer a yellowing flat spotted f1. However, these past year or two I've ridden mostly spitfire classics, all of which for some strange reason haven't yellowed or got any substantial flat spots, and have out performed every f1 set i've had. I'm stoked to try the formula 4 wheels.
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Bones makes 4 stf shapes for all styles of skating, if you can't find one you like you're doing it wrong


Or maybe... we dont like bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 15, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
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I've been riding spitfires pretty much exclusively for the past 10 years. I've tried a few other things here and there, even jumped on the stf craze a few years ago, they just felt horrible, way to slippery and hard. not to mention the shapes are completely miserable, so much so that I would prefer a yellowing flat spotted f1. However, these past year or two I've ridden mostly spitfire classics, all of which for some strange reason haven't yellowed or got any substantial flat spots, and have out performed every f1 set i've had. I'm stoked to try the formula 4 wheels.
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Bones makes 4 stf shapes for all styles of skating, if you can't find one you like you're doing it wrong

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Or maybe... we dont like bones.

this thread is just people arguing against Tracer for 5 pages
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on May 15, 2013, 07:47:11 PM
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I just rode around on my backup board cuz it was in my trunk.
I can't stand the sound/feeling of bones stf anymore. 
my fourmula 4's still going strong, can't wait to get them in a conical shape.
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Are they gonna release them in a conical/SFW shape? fuck i hope so

from what I've been told, yes.
I am very excited as well
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on May 15, 2013, 08:11:09 PM
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I've been riding spitfires pretty much exclusively for the past 10 years. I've tried a few other things here and there, even jumped on the stf craze a few years ago, they just felt horrible, way to slippery and hard. not to mention the shapes are completely miserable, so much so that I would prefer a yellowing flat spotted f1. However, these past year or two I've ridden mostly spitfire classics, all of which for some strange reason haven't yellowed or got any substantial flat spots, and have out performed every f1 set i've had. I'm stoked to try the formula 4 wheels.
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Bones makes 4 stf shapes for all styles of skating, if you can't find one you like you're doing it wrong

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Or maybe... we dont like bones.
Not liking bones is like saying you prefer crap wheels. Not all of us live near skateshops and can replace flatspotted wheels in an instant. I've skated for 12 years and no wheel resists flatspots better than bones.  Bones makes 100s for all you spitfire lovers, and their SPF formula is great for all you vert/ bowl skaters

You're beating a dead horse, every non sponsored skater will tell you bones are the best.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: noone1234 on May 15, 2013, 08:12:39 PM
i hate everything about you tracer
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 15, 2013, 08:29:14 PM
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I've been riding spitfires pretty much exclusively for the past 10 years. I've tried a few other things here and there, even jumped on the stf craze a few years ago, they just felt horrible, way to slippery and hard. not to mention the shapes are completely miserable, so much so that I would prefer a yellowing flat spotted f1. However, these past year or two I've ridden mostly spitfire classics, all of which for some strange reason haven't yellowed or got any substantial flat spots, and have out performed every f1 set i've had. I'm stoked to try the formula 4 wheels.
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Bones makes 4 stf shapes for all styles of skating, if you can't find one you like you're doing it wrong

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Or maybe... we dont like bones.
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Not liking bones is like saying you prefer crap wheels. Not all of us live near skateshops and can replace flatspotted wheels in an instant. I've skated for 12 years and no wheel resists flatspots better than bones.  Bones makes 100s for all you spitfire lovers, and their SPF formula is great for all you vert/ bowl skaters

You're beating a dead horse, every non sponsored skater will tell you bones are the best.

Are you trying to troll, or are you just really fucking stupid, please be honest
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ThugWaffle on May 15, 2013, 08:41:07 PM
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I've been riding spitfires pretty much exclusively for the past 10 years. I've tried a few other things here and there, even jumped on the stf craze a few years ago, they just felt horrible, way to slippery and hard. not to mention the shapes are completely miserable, so much so that I would prefer a yellowing flat spotted f1. However, these past year or two I've ridden mostly spitfire classics, all of which for some strange reason haven't yellowed or got any substantial flat spots, and have out performed every f1 set i've had. I'm stoked to try the formula 4 wheels.
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Bones makes 4 stf shapes for all styles of skating, if you can't find one you like you're doing it wrong

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Or maybe... we dont like bones.
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Not liking bones is like saying you prefer crap wheels. Not all of us live near skateshops and can replace flatspotted wheels in an instant. I've skated for 12 years and no wheel resists flatspots better than bones.  Bones makes 100s for all you spitfire lovers, and their SPF formula is great for all you vert/ bowl skaters

You're beating a dead horse, every non sponsored skater will tell you bones are the best.

I dont have a local shop and id rather wait for my spitfires to arrive than skate bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on May 15, 2013, 08:41:25 PM
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I've been riding spitfires pretty much exclusively for the past 10 years. I've tried a few other things here and there, even jumped on the stf craze a few years ago, they just felt horrible, way to slippery and hard. not to mention the shapes are completely miserable, so much so that I would prefer a yellowing flat spotted f1. However, these past year or two I've ridden mostly spitfire classics, all of which for some strange reason haven't yellowed or got any substantial flat spots, and have out performed every f1 set i've had. I'm stoked to try the formula 4 wheels.
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Bones makes 4 stf shapes for all styles of skating, if you can't find one you like you're doing it wrong

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Or maybe... we dont like bones.
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Not liking bones is like saying you prefer crap wheels. Not all of us live near skateshops and can replace flatspotted wheels in an instant. I've skated for 12 years and no wheel resists flatspots better than bones. �Bones makes 100s for all you spitfire lovers, and their SPF formula is great for all you vert/ bowl skaters

You're beating a dead horse, every non sponsored skater will tell you bones are the best.
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Are you trying to troll, or are you just really fucking stupid, please be honest
It's not an argument it's simply my opinion, go ahead and buy your spitfires just don't come back saying they flatspotted and I didn't warn you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: noone1234 on May 15, 2013, 08:46:07 PM
your opinion has resulted in at least myself to believe that you should focus yourself.

"every non sponsored skater will tell you bones are the best."


what the fuck kind of sentence is that? every non sponsored skater is pretty much every skater and i guarantee that you don't know "every non sponsored skater." you're stupid as shit. i hate you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 15, 2013, 08:48:04 PM
shouts out to the mod that bumped up Tracers rep to -1000  :-*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on May 15, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
your opinion has resulted in at least myself to believe that you should focus yourself.

"every non sponsored skater will tell you bones are the best."


what the fuck kind of sentence is that? every non sponsored skater is pretty much every skater and i guarantee that you don't know "every non sponsored skater." you're stupid as shit. i hate you.
Bro you're getting a little too heated over this. I love bones wheels and believe they're the best, as do most people

chill man, chill
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: noone1234 on May 15, 2013, 08:57:39 PM
i'll chill when my lifeless body is put on ice  :P
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on May 15, 2013, 10:02:56 PM
Fuck Bones. When Gershon Powell, everything that had to do with that company lost credibility. I've only ever ridden spitfires though, but Bones are for some mini logo riding squares in my book.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on May 16, 2013, 03:28:09 PM
Bones STFs feel way better than Spit F1s to me. I mean sure they're gonna be more slippery when they're 3 durometers harder and never flatspot. Can't wait to try those F4s though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ice nine on May 16, 2013, 04:12:49 PM
my local shop owner said she got a set and they were nothing like stf's, she said they were sticky feeling
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on May 18, 2013, 07:02:14 AM
They are't sticky, just not as plastic slidey feeling as bones.
Conical shape in front, classic shape in back.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0922.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on May 18, 2013, 07:04:01 AM
side view
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0921.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 18, 2013, 08:36:00 AM
side view
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0921.jpg)

I think they aren't all that shape. That's the "lock-in" shape, I actually really like the color as well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on May 18, 2013, 08:53:40 AM
I never said they were all the same shape...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 18, 2013, 09:06:18 AM
I never said they were all the same shape...

I know you didn't, I was just clarifying...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: peewee on May 18, 2013, 10:00:48 AM
Hey in those pics they don't look as tan off colored like in Zoltans pics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on May 18, 2013, 10:07:23 AM
They are't sticky, just not as plastic slidey feeling as bones.
Conical shape in front, classic shape in back.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0922.jpg)
Can not wait to try these. The conical shape looks nice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on May 18, 2013, 11:43:11 AM
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They are't sticky, just not as plastic slidey feeling as bones.
Conical shape in front, classic shape in back.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0922.jpg)
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Can not wait to try these. The conical shape looks nice.
sweet, thanks b.v.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: the snake on May 18, 2013, 12:07:56 PM
what is their hardness?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ThugWaffle on May 18, 2013, 12:26:52 PM
Does anybody else get the urge to like bite new wheels? no...? me neither.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: layzieyez on May 18, 2013, 12:35:33 PM
I haven't ridden a set of spitfires since 2008. I've been skating mostly bones stf and spf wheels with some satori and autobahn. I'm really excited to hear they changed the formula. I've flatted stf and spf wheels and I don't like how slippery the newer sets of bones are. I can't wait to give these things a chance. Please hurry the hell up though because you got me riding some yellowing autobahns while I wait.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Powdered Toast Man! on May 18, 2013, 01:11:48 PM
my local shop doesn't carry spitfire so i'll have to get em online, but don't know where to look
suggestions?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: el chino on May 18, 2013, 01:25:02 PM
google chrome?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on May 18, 2013, 02:28:31 PM
my local shop doesn't carry spitfire so i'll have to get em online, but don't know where to look
suggestions?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on May 18, 2013, 03:43:51 PM
what is their hardness?

My friend is skating a set of 101a, so I'm assuming the softer F4 will be 100a or 99a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 18, 2013, 04:01:45 PM
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my local shop doesn't carry spitfire so i'll have to get em online, but don't know where to look
suggestions?
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on May 18, 2013, 07:01:42 PM
my local shop doesn't carry spitfire so i'll have to get em online, but don't know where to look
suggestions?
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1357165/confused-o.gif)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 18, 2013, 08:25:46 PM
does anyone know what the Lock In conical is like compared to the Manderson Shape? i wanna try these but the thought of going back too a slimmer wheel annoys me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on May 18, 2013, 09:24:27 PM
Here is an sfw and conical full side by side.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0927.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 18, 2013, 10:46:24 PM
sweet, thanks man
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 19, 2013, 12:39:52 PM
This isn't related to formula 4, but does anyone know what is the smallest size they make of the sfw shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 19, 2013, 07:46:43 PM
This isn't related to formula 4, but does anyone know what is the smallest size they make of the sfw shape?

i think its a 51, thats the smallest ive seen (http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_27225_sf-wheel-pro-SFW-andersonLG2.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dick Butkus on May 19, 2013, 08:07:48 PM
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This isn't related to formula 4, but does anyone know what is the smallest size they make of the sfw shape?
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i think its a 51, thats the smallest ive seen (http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_27225_sf-wheel-pro-SFW-andersonLG2.jpg)

thanks man!  :-*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on May 24, 2013, 11:31:39 AM
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my local shop doesn't carry spitfire so i'll have to get em online, but don't know where to look
suggestions?
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(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1357165/confused-o.gif)
bahaha DAYIM... so any word on release dates? these wheels should be out by now!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Timmy666 on May 24, 2013, 08:12:49 PM
Does anybody else get the urge to like bite new wheels? no...? me neither.
I do, it's like I gotta feel some kind of pressure on my wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Patrick C on May 24, 2013, 10:32:52 PM
When do these come out? seems like they are filming reviews for marketing purposes.
(found these on instagram)
(http://distilleryimage0.s3.amazonaws.com/a7a71e60be8a11e2b59022000aa80136_7.jpg)
(http://[url=http://distilleryimage6.s3.amazonaws.com/c880c150b36c11e2aeda22000a1f973b_7.jpg]http://distilleryimage6.s3.amazonaws.com/c880c150b36c11e2aeda22000a1f973b_7.jpg[/url])

lol...Ricta got me with their cored line in the early 2000's I had a set of Koston cored, Arto, and Kareem Campbell's. The cored part of the wheel would get loose with repeated bearing removal. After that started skating with the Classics, then F1, then back to Classics. F1 is weird, one backside revert to a flat spot

If these are similar to Spitfire Classics in hardness but don't flatspot/wear as easy I'm sold!!
Currently skating the Cardiel conicals 55mm...now its a 51.  ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cza on May 24, 2013, 11:08:05 PM
just set up anderson fsw's. diggin em
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zoltan on May 24, 2013, 11:20:48 PM
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what is their hardness?
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My friend is skating a set of 101a, so I'm assuming the softer F4 will be 100a or 99a

my F4's say 99a. They are 51mm classic shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: NowhereInLife on May 26, 2013, 04:32:53 PM
I'm sold.

They need to put 'em out already!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Quilmes Cerveza on May 27, 2013, 02:09:30 PM
I've had a few sets now and the Formula-Four's are the best wheels I've skated hands down. I've heard some people say they are slippery but I think they are actually a little sticky, but in a very good way. From my experience they grip just the way you would want them to on pretty much any surface, whether you're in the streets or parks on concrete, Masonite, skate lite, whatever. I will say they did feel a little foreign the first day or two compared to the F1 Street Burners but within too long they felt perfect. This is just my opinion, but game changers for sure. ? ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on May 27, 2013, 10:05:36 PM
put 'em out already!


put 'em out already!
         
put 'em out already!
                 
put 'em out already!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Powdered Toast Man! on May 27, 2013, 10:11:18 PM
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put 'em out already!


put 'em out already!
         
put 'em out already!
                 
put 'em out already![/size][/size][/size][/size]
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: stepfather666 on May 28, 2013, 10:46:23 PM
I've had 3 sets now, and havn't been dissapointed. I rod a set of the classics, then got a wider (conical?) shape and those were just to grippy for me, perfect skatepark wheel if thats what you're into.  Now im riding a set of classics again and i love em
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on May 29, 2013, 07:39:40 AM
I was told 2 weeks from yesterday they will be available for shops to order.
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Post by: Hamish on May 29, 2013, 11:08:28 PM
I was told 2 weeks from yesterday they will be available for shops to order.
Awesome.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 12, 2013, 04:54:36 AM
http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06734/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/red/white/?cm=searchnewarrivals#sku=65-06734 (http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06734/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/red/white/?cm=searchnewarrivals#sku=65-06734)

Looks like they're finally out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on June 12, 2013, 07:30:53 AM
I'm seeing they come in "Classic, Tablet and Full"

I can see what classic would be, so does that mean Tablet is the lock-in version, and Full is the bigger version (like the manderson/cardiel wheel).

Anyone know - B.V. you out there..?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on June 12, 2013, 07:37:26 AM
My set is marked Full and has the sidecut.
Haven't seen this tablet shape yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: InternetDaddy on June 12, 2013, 08:22:46 AM
for the dudes who have ridden them: would you recommend the 99 or the 101 duro? My local still doesn't have em in (the dude at the shop last time didn't even know what I was talking about when I asked), but I definitely want to try a set once they drop.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on June 12, 2013, 09:44:29 AM
for the dudes who have ridden them: would you recommend the 99 or the 101 duro? My local still doesn't have em in (the dude at the shop last time didn't even know what I was talking about when I asked), but I definitely want to try a set once they drop.
shit, mine just said "team edition", nothing about duro, now I don't know wich ones to get...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Quilmes Cerveza on June 12, 2013, 11:26:54 AM
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for the dudes who have ridden them: would you recommend the 99 or the 101 duro? My local still doesn't have em in (the dude at the shop last time didn't even know what I was talking about when I asked), but I definitely want to try a set once they drop.
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shit, mine just said "team edition", nothing about duro, now I don't know wich ones to get...
I've skated the ones that just said Team Edition and I think they were 101duro, but am not sure on that. I've also skated the newer editions that are marked 99duro and the 101duro, and they were both amazing. If you're skating more street and concrete I'd go with the 101's, although that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on June 12, 2013, 11:35:27 AM
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I'm seeing they come in "Classic, Tablet and Full"

I can see what classic would be, so does that mean Tablet is the lock-in version, and Full is the bigger version (like the manderson/cardiel wheel).

Anyone know - B.V. you out there..?

I'm guessing tablet is like the bones stf v2's, on the slim side with flat sides
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on June 12, 2013, 11:49:38 AM
Just got off the phone with dlx, still not available anywhere.
CCS doesn't really have them I was told.
They are still sending them to affiliate shops to ride.
I'll post here when I get a green light that they are heading to stores.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: aaronagis on June 12, 2013, 05:44:56 PM
They are't sticky, just not as plastic slidey feeling as bones.
Conical shape in front, classic shape in back.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0922.jpg)

Oh man, I want a set of these so badly, The Conical shape looks sick.
All I ever skate is Spitfires, I just prefer the way they skate, a very predicatble slide and grip on any terrain. I can trust Spitfire, when I skate bones, I feel like I cant trust the slide/grip the same. They just feel plastic-like or waxy... If these formula 4's are an improvement in durability I will be one happy customer. If I skate enough a set of 99s will currently last me a month at the most before they are pretty un-skateable. I just set up a pair of 54mm "trunk boys" and skated probably about 4 hours and I have some decent sized chunks missing from asphalt, and a couple flat spots. If that is fixed with these formula 4's that would just be sick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on June 12, 2013, 06:05:16 PM
It is fixed, you will not be disappointed!
Last set I had I rode for 2 months, no flatspots, no chunks, nothing wrong, just smaller than I wanted.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on June 12, 2013, 07:17:22 PM
It is fixed, you will not be disappointed!
Last set I had I rode for 2 months, no flatspots, no chunks, nothing wrong, just smaller than I wanted.

Just the 101a or both duro's?

I do like the feel of a slightly softer wheel, but if it's not as flatspot resistant (understandable), I'll just stick to 101a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 12, 2013, 07:23:50 PM
jumped the gun a little bit then, my bad. still waiting on these!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chillout on June 12, 2013, 07:32:07 PM
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It is fixed, you will not be disappointed!
Last set I had I rode for 2 months, no flatspots, no chunks, nothing wrong, just smaller than I wanted.
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Just the 101a or both duro's?

I do like the feel of a slightly softer wheel, but if it's not as flatspot resistant (understandable), I'll just stick to 101a

http://reedwheels.com/product.html (http://reedwheels.com/product.html)

these are the best. feel a little softer but still slide good, never flatspot, and dont turn an ugly yellow. free shipping
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on June 12, 2013, 07:53:32 PM
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It is fixed, you will not be disappointed!
Last set I had I rode for 2 months, no flatspots, no chunks, nothing wrong, just smaller than I wanted.
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Just the 101a or both duro's?

I do like the feel of a slightly softer wheel, but if it's not as flatspot resistant (understandable), I'll just stick to 101a
I've ridden A bunch of different formulas with no name so not sure, probably had em.
 I am riding the 99's currently with no problems.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: benjamindanklin on June 13, 2013, 05:34:25 PM
I'll stick with stfs until reviews for these come out. Spitfire makes good wheels, I just can't afford to spend 30 dollars a month on them. I've had a pair of stfs last me like 6 months. Hopefully these won't flatspot and shit, though. Cool graphic, too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on June 14, 2013, 10:51:07 AM
  i had mine for almost a year, barely even got smaller... they last
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pile on June 16, 2013, 11:49:22 PM
i had a set of the blue labeled formula four's and they were awesome. i had no problems whatsoever with them, aside from the fact that i felt weird skating 52mm wheels. i'd really like to try that conical shape when they eventually make their way into stores.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ice nine on June 17, 2013, 12:55:43 AM
the bones stf's i got just flatspotted in three sessions, the last couple pairs lasted me almost a year each

why conical over the flat one?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on June 17, 2013, 04:50:50 PM
Seriously, what is taking them so long? Weren't they supposed to be out by the beginning of june?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hamish on June 18, 2013, 03:35:57 AM
Seriously, what is taking them so long? Weren't they supposed to be out by the beginning of june?
The firm that distributes DLX here in NZ told me that'd they had been ordered and were expected to land here at the start of July. They're still up on CCS so I would like to say they will be rolling out in the next week or two?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on June 18, 2013, 07:13:43 AM
Can't get a straight answer from my rep, I'd imagine there is a big holdup somewhere that was unforeseen manufacturing wise.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on June 25, 2013, 10:34:09 AM
Are they making a 101 conical shape?

CCS has 'em expected to ship tomorrow, but I'm not supporting that shit.

Any news on this?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: peewee on June 25, 2013, 11:09:20 PM
forget ccs, they change the date everyday haha, look tomorrow it'll say expected to ship on the 25th, and then so on and so on
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on June 26, 2013, 09:02:22 PM
went to look on ccs to see how the shapes differ.  Fucking useless, every picture is from the side except for the classic wheel.
You'd think a giant company like ccs could afford to take a few extra pictures of the product they sell.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on June 26, 2013, 09:29:46 PM
if they have the product yet, could be using images Deluxe sent them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on June 26, 2013, 10:18:27 PM
Shape list with sizes etc
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/SFFORMULAFOURINFOSHEET.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MUSH MILL on June 26, 2013, 10:52:58 PM
Nice find. Was looking awhile to find out what Tablet size and shape is. Ready to get these as stf have been main park wheels over 7 years. A change to keep things fresh.  I love all the spit softer variations like 95a and 80hd. So smooth and fast. Highly recommended for dusty Masonite or oily parking lots.

190# heavy so flat spots occur at parks if I slip off ledges/rails awkwardly in unintentional powerslides. That even flat spots stf at times.

Would a wider FormulaFour will be more flat spot resistant (more surface area to lower overall slide surface area stress) than a thinner version?  Speed checking a lot with tighter than average trucks is a habit of mine that wears wheels fast too. Maybe time to go wider. Anyone know if wider wheels help prevent this? Sorry for run on sentences. Typing on phone. Can't see whole screen.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 27, 2013, 12:46:16 AM
Legend, thanks B.V
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on June 27, 2013, 07:10:19 AM
So it sounds like the wheels take much longer to manufacture than expected, hence the long hold up.
Was able to finally place a prebook order for wheels, said 2 week of july possibly.
 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on June 27, 2013, 09:19:14 AM
Awesome, that works.  In case anyone is wondering, I tried zooming in on the dimensions and it wasn't very clear but I think the full shape is a bit wider than the tablet shape. 

Anyways, appreciate it b.v., I'll be purchasing the wheels off the 35th ave online shop as soon as you get the order in.
 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on June 27, 2013, 09:30:08 AM
You are correct, the full shape is a bit wider than the tablet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 27, 2013, 09:55:27 AM
Hmmm, I'm a fan of spit classics so shape is a no brainer, now to choose duro...funny they tout hi-rebound for the 99s, by that logic the 101s are low rebound? ;P
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on June 27, 2013, 10:03:37 AM
i kinda want to try the 101's in the tablet shape, but now jesus fernandez rides for bones and i can get his wheels instead of jaws or whoever else.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on June 27, 2013, 10:14:55 AM
damn good wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on June 27, 2013, 11:21:02 AM
I'm definitely getting a pair of the full and tablets ASAP
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on June 28, 2013, 06:38:58 PM
I just got a set of the Formula 4s in 56 classic shape and I usually ride 52s... does anyone have smaller formula 4s they would want to trade for these 56s? Kind of a weird question haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: violentpizza on June 28, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
I got 52's in classic. Been riding them though. I usually ride bigger if be down
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on July 14, 2013, 06:31:18 PM
Well? Any news, b.v.?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on July 14, 2013, 06:35:11 PM
I just got a set of the Formula 4s in 56 classic shape and I usually ride 52s... does anyone have smaller formula 4s they would want to trade for these 56s? Kind of a weird question haha

Nate from DLX was happy to send me some formula 4's in my size, another reason I fucking love everything they do over there.

I couldn't be happier with the way they skate, been doing a bunch of powerslides and they still skate as smooth as when I first set them up. By far my favorite wheels I've ever skated and I honestly like the off white color. Thanks again Nate!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: violentpizza on July 14, 2013, 06:39:09 PM
I dig the shit out of these. I usually ride 54-55mm but I got the 101's in 52 and they are great on the street. I hit a rock on the way to the store and it just kinda slid for a bit then shot out from the wheel. Didn't pitch me. That's never happend to me ever. I like em.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: noone1234 on July 14, 2013, 09:09:39 PM
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I just got a set of the Formula 4s in 56 classic shape and I usually ride 52s... does anyone have smaller formula 4s they would want to trade for these 56s? Kind of a weird question haha
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Nate from DLX was happy to send me some formula 4's in my size, another reason I fucking love everything they do over there.

I couldn't be happier with the way they skate, been doing a bunch of powerslides and they still skate as smooth as when I first set them up. By far my favorite wheels I've ever skated and I honestly like the off white color. Thanks again Nate!

how did you manage to pull that?.......i could use some new wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on July 14, 2013, 09:35:00 PM
Nate is A great guy.
DLX is lucky to have a fellow like him.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on July 14, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
Nate is A great guy.
DLX is lucky to have a fellow like him.
Agreed, that cat is all heart and powerslides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: noone1234 on July 14, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
god dammit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pinche gringo on July 14, 2013, 09:55:24 PM
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Nate is A great guy.
DLX is lucky to have a fellow like him.
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Agreed, that cat is all heart and powerslides.
Truer words are rarely spoken. Nate is top shelf.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smellyfart on July 15, 2013, 12:33:30 PM
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Nate is A great guy.
DLX is lucky to have a fellow like him.
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Agreed, that cat is all heart and powerslides.
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Truer words are rarely spoken. Nate is top shelf.
ya he rulez
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tuna on July 16, 2013, 12:33:33 AM
So are these out yet? I've been putting off buying new wheels for about a month and a half because i wanted to get these damn things.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on July 16, 2013, 07:40:42 AM
When I got my prebook sheet a few weeks ago I was told 2nd or 3rd week of july.
Here we are, so should be shipping to shops this week.
Ill email today for an update.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on July 16, 2013, 04:38:12 PM
yeah, I need new wheels and have been holding off for these.

its annoying.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fookya on July 17, 2013, 01:25:20 PM
I ordered a set from ccs about a month ago, they were the first place that had them so I decided to jump on it. I have yet to receive them, and have gotten two seperate emails saying that they're back ordered and will ship within a week.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on July 17, 2013, 03:11:51 PM
they never had them.  No one has gotten them to sell at retail.

you basically pre-ordered them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on July 17, 2013, 08:14:59 PM
Talked to my rep, he said after agenda next week probably.
Yeah I know....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on July 17, 2013, 10:55:56 PM
haha oh man summer is almost over
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on July 18, 2013, 08:43:05 AM
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got a tour of DLXSF in SF and they gave me a set of them for free.  so psyched.  They've been great!
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Good enough to not go back to Bones?



I'd say so for sure. They slide and last like Bones only feel less like plastic.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kinch on July 19, 2013, 03:51:40 PM
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got a tour of DLXSF in SF and they gave me a set of them for free.  so psyched.  They've been great!
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Good enough to not go back to Bones?
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I'd say so for sure. They slide and last like Bones only feel less like plastic.

This sounds like the best shit ever. Can we buy some now please?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dr Steve Brule on July 19, 2013, 05:44:47 PM
What is Classic as opposed to Tablet?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on July 19, 2013, 05:49:38 PM
What is Classic as opposed to Tablet?

b.v. posted this on the last page
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/SFFORMULAFOURINFOSHEET.jpg)

tablet is flat, full is conical.  classic is rounded, like the standard skate wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: wallieD on July 19, 2013, 06:07:45 PM
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What is Classic as opposed to Tablet?
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b.v. posted this on the last page
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/SFFORMULAFOURINFOSHEET.jpg)

tablet is flat, full is conical.  classic is rounded, like the standard skate wheel
i can't read the dimensions after zooming in. the tablet shape seems nice though. 36.5mm wide? for what size?

edit: nevermind.. i think its 20 something instead of 30, ehhh
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dr Steve Brule on July 19, 2013, 06:30:35 PM
Man I've been skating for almost 10 years but I couldn't tell you how wheels feel different.  I guess I've ridden "Classic" wheels most of my days, but how to these different shapes compare?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on July 19, 2013, 08:09:27 PM
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What is Classic as opposed to Tablet?
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b.v. posted this on the last page
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/SFFORMULAFOURINFOSHEET.jpg)

tablet is flat, full is conical.  classic is rounded, like the standard skate wheel
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i can't read the dimensions after zooming in. the tablet shape seems nice though. 36.5mm wide? for what size?

edit: nevermind.. i think its 20 something instead of 30, ehhh

I struggled with it myself, but either way the width is something like Full > classic > tablet
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on July 19, 2013, 10:04:58 PM
anyone know if the full is supposed to be similar to the SFW shape? i dont think I wanna go back to a slim wheel honestly and it doesnt seem like spitfires gonna make more SFWs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on July 19, 2013, 10:14:04 PM
anyone know if the full is supposed to be similar to the SFW shape? i dont think I wanna go back to a slim wheel honestly and it doesnt seem like spitfires gonna make more SFWs
c'mon man read the thread
Here is an sfw and conical full side by side.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMAG0927.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Basingstoke on July 20, 2013, 03:03:50 AM
The current Cardiel wheel seems to be the SFW shape in every but name.

What is the difference between the Bighead and the Classic Full ?

When I asked my skate shop in the UK they thought that they might get some Formula Fours to test by the end of the month, but didn't even know when the would have them to sell.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: StimCoCruzer on July 20, 2013, 03:17:23 PM
think it said they were 101a - anyone see a profile? got a width?

i havent had any good experiences with spitfire, so i always avoided them. i like a 52mm wide profile 97-98a hardness. spitfire dont really fucks with that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on July 20, 2013, 03:22:47 PM
If they couldn't get formulas 1, 2, or 3 right, chances are these wheels will blow 2
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on July 21, 2013, 08:03:43 AM
If they couldn't get formulas 1, 2, or 3 right, chances are these wheels will blow 2

You dont know what the fuck you are talking about you idiot. When several SF skateboarders have been riding these wheels for almost a year it speaks for itself.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: heritage on July 21, 2013, 08:14:34 AM
The Spitfire 98a Parkburner and the cored Fireliters are my current go to wheel in the Spitfire offerings. I've been on Formula 4 tablet shape and I really like them. I'm probably going back to Parkburners, but the Formula 4 is a damn nice wheel and I understand why everyone is so hyped on them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: edddiebyrne on July 21, 2013, 05:17:53 PM
Supposedly Jim Thiebaud is sending me some since I flat spotted some classics.  Anyone have experience with him giving you shit? Like does it actually get to you?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on July 21, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
Supposedly Jim Thiebaud is sending me some since I flat spotted some classics.  Anyone have experience with him giving you shit? Like does it actually get to you?

Yes. DLX dont fuck around. They take care of their customers like no one else in the business.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: edddiebyrne on July 21, 2013, 05:41:36 PM
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Supposedly Jim Thiebaud is sending me some since I flat spotted some classics.  Anyone have experience with him giving you shit? Like does it actually get to you?
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Yes. DLX dont fuck around. They take care of their customers like no one else in the business.

Alright cool. I sent him an email and I guess I'll be receiving some formula fours. Pretty hyped. These classics are good enough, flat spots don't bother me too much. If formula fours are more durable and slide a little better ill be sold.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on July 21, 2013, 05:47:10 PM
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Supposedly Jim Thiebaud is sending me some since I flat spotted some classics.  Anyone have experience with him giving you shit? Like does it actually get to you?
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Yes. DLX dont fuck around. They take care of their customers like no one else in the business.
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Alright cool. I sent him an email and I guess I'll be receiving some formula fours. Pretty hyped. These classics are good enough, flat spots don't bother me too much. If formula fours are more durable and slide a little better ill be sold.

From what I've heard the Formula Four's is the beez neez
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: edddiebyrne on July 21, 2013, 05:51:26 PM
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Supposedly Jim Thiebaud is sending me some since I flat spotted some classics.  Anyone have experience with him giving you shit? Like does it actually get to you?
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Yes. DLX dont fuck around. They take care of their customers like no one else in the business.
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Alright cool. I sent him an email and I guess I'll be receiving some formula fours. Pretty hyped. These classics are good enough, flat spots don't bother me too much. If formula fours are more durable and slide a little better ill be sold.
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From what I've heard the Formula Four's is the beez neez

Noice noice. Big ups to them for shipping to Ohio.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on July 22, 2013, 08:45:51 PM
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If they couldn't get formulas 1, 2, or 3 right, chances are these wheels will blow 2
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You dont know what the fuck you are talking about you idiot. When several SF skateboarders have been riding these wheels for almost a year it speaks for itself.
Theyve been riding spitfire for 10 years, you are dumb!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: benjamindanklin on July 22, 2013, 09:06:04 PM
they are great so far, but obviously pretty much any wheel will be after 2 weeks. 

talk to me in 4 months

Let us know. I'm curious about these.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on July 23, 2013, 04:41:33 AM
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If they couldn't get formulas 1, 2, or 3 right, chances are these wheels will blow 2
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You dont know what the fuck you are talking about you idiot. When several SF skateboarders have been riding these wheels for almost a year it speaks for itself.
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Theyve been riding spitfire for 10 years, you are dumb!

They've been rinding the Formula Four's FOR ONE YEAR STRAIGHT, you fucking kook.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on July 23, 2013, 08:06:09 AM
I have a hard time believing that a wheel manufacturer would have any interest on selling wheels that last one year without increasing the price of their wheels...
Reducing radically the frequence of purchase from your customers without increasing your margin on the wheels doesn't seem to be a good marketing strategy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: benjamindanklin on July 23, 2013, 08:51:46 AM
I have a hard time believing that a wheel manufacturer would have any interest on selling wheels that last one year without increasing the price of their wheels...
Reducing radically the frequence of purchase from your customers without increasing your margin on the wheels doesn't seem to be a good marketing strategy.

They gotta compete with Bones, though. I'm sure a lot of people are starting to buy the STFs over Spits because they last so much longer. Me included. I don't have money to blow on wheels every single month.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: No comply on July 23, 2013, 09:38:53 AM
I have a hard time believing that a wheel manufacturer would have any interest on selling wheels that last one year without increasing the price of their wheels...
Reducing radically the frequence of purchase from your customers without increasing your margin on the wheels doesn't seem to be a good marketing strategy.

It's called market share.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ZEBRA on July 23, 2013, 10:32:10 AM
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I have a hard time believing that a wheel manufacturer would have any interest on selling wheels that last one year without increasing the price of their wheels...
Reducing radically the frequence of purchase from your customers without increasing your margin on the wheels doesn't seem to be a good marketing strategy.
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They gotta compete with Bones, though. I'm sure a lot of people are starting to buy the STFs over Spits because they last so much longer. Me included. I don't have money to blow on wheels every single month.

I keep reading that people are buying wheels once a month and shit. You can't just get bigger wheels?? I don't understand.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: benjamindanklin on July 23, 2013, 10:45:49 AM
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I have a hard time believing that a wheel manufacturer would have any interest on selling wheels that last one year without increasing the price of their wheels...
Reducing radically the frequence of purchase from your customers without increasing your margin on the wheels doesn't seem to be a good marketing strategy.
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They gotta compete with Bones, though. I'm sure a lot of people are starting to buy the STFs over Spits because they last so much longer. Me included. I don't have money to blow on wheels every single month.
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I keep reading that people are buying wheels once a month and shit. You can't just get bigger wheels?? I don't understand.

I could buy giant Spitfires, but I'd rather just get stfs in the size I actually want and have them last 8 times longer. Sorry.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: edddiebyrne on July 24, 2013, 04:39:03 PM
My set will be here in a week or so. Jim said they come in 99 and 101 and he's sending me the 99s. I would rather get the 101s but they're free so I'm not going to complain. Very excited.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Carlo Lemmings on July 24, 2013, 04:46:58 PM
What's the definitive colour of these wheels? Every pic on here is a different shade  Are they beige?  Paying for yellowing wheels seems insane to me. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 24, 2013, 07:55:55 PM
I flatted my F1s a few weeks ago, they were kind enough to send me F1s as a replacement :P
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on July 24, 2013, 11:46:56 PM
What's the definitive colour of these wheels? Every pic on here is a different shade  Are they beige?  Paying for yellowing wheels seems insane to me. 

caring that much over wheel color is insane to me

it's not like they're gonna turn neon green on you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Carlo Lemmings on July 25, 2013, 08:42:35 AM
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What's the definitive colour of these wheels? Every pic on here is a different shade  Are they beige?  Paying for yellowing wheels seems insane to me.  
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caring that much over wheel color is insane to me

it's not like they're gonna turn neon green on you

You think Beavis and Butthead is funny.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on July 25, 2013, 09:09:18 AM
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What's the definitive colour of these wheels? Every pic on here is a different shade  Are they beige?  Paying for yellowing wheels seems insane to me.  
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caring that much over wheel color is insane to me

it's not like they're gonna turn neon green on you
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You think Beavis and Butthead is funny.

fuck yeah I do.  Best low brow humor of the 90's.
(http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/beavis_and_butthead.jpg)

You might as well just not ride your board and keep them white forever if you're gonna complain about minor differences in color you baby.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/iw51sg.jpg)
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Post by: Carlo Lemmings on July 25, 2013, 10:19:28 AM
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What's the definitive colour of these wheels? Every pic on here is a different shade  Are they beige?  Paying for yellowing wheels seems insane to me.  
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caring that much over wheel color is insane to me

it's not like they're gonna turn neon green on you
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You think Beavis and Butthead is funny.
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fuck yeah I do.  Best low brow humor of the 90's.
(http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/beavis_and_butthead.jpg)

You might as well just not ride your board and keep them white forever if you're gonna complain about minor differences in color you baby.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/iw51sg.jpg)


No.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on July 26, 2013, 06:41:34 AM
I've been skating a set for a month or so now.
I think I saw someone mention that they're like Spitfires version of STFs. Whoever said that was wrong as hell. These feel nothing like STFs. STF's are real slick and slidey, as opposed to the F4's which lean more on the grippier side when compared to STFs. Don't get me wrong, they have some slide to them, but if you're buying a set thinking you're gonna get the same slideiness as a STF wheel, then you'll be disappointed. I'd say they feel somewhat close to a SF classic in terms of how they slide and grip, just a lot more durable than an SF classic. No flatspots or little chips out of the wheel yet, so I'd say they're holding up very well so far. I don't have a car so I skate everywhere, and there's some pretty rough asphalt here, so I usually wear down wheels pretty fast, and I've noticed that these have shrunken down a teeny bit, but barely at all, so I'd say they're wearing out a very good rate. Overall I'd say they're pretty damn good wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: felix. on July 26, 2013, 07:10:20 AM
i live in the uk, in a shitty town called swansea with even shitter ground. my wheels just get eaten up by the floor. i can't afford to be getting new wheels every month and shit but bones feel like plastic. i wanna get a set of these and see if they live up to all this hype, anyone know when they're coming out over here?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on July 26, 2013, 01:34:44 PM
I never thought it would take this long for these wheels to come out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on July 26, 2013, 02:18:18 PM
I've been skating a set for a month or so now.
I think I saw someone mention that they're like Spitfires version of STFs. Whoever said that was wrong as hell. These feel nothing like STFs. STF's are real slick and slidey, as opposed to the F4's which lean more on the grippier side when compared to STFs. Don't get me wrong, they have some slide to them, but if you're buying a set thinking you're gonna get the same slideiness as a STF wheel, then you'll be disappointed. I'd say they feel somewhat close to a SF classic in terms of how they slide and grip, just a lot more durable than an SF classic. No flatspots or little chips out of the wheel yet, so I'd say they're holding up very well so far. I don't have a car so I skate everywhere, and there's some pretty rough asphalt here, so I usually wear down wheels pretty fast, and I've noticed that these have shrunken down a teeny bit, but barely at all, so I'd say they're wearing out a very good rate. Overall I'd say they're pretty damn good wheels.
did you ride the 99's? Mine were an earlier prototype that just said "team edition formula 4" and they were far from grippy, so I'm guessing you have the 99's and mine were 101
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ThugWaffle on July 26, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
I never thought it would take this long for these wheels to come out

They'll probably be out in a few weeks. Theyre worth the wait.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2013, 02:45:03 PM
I couldn't wait any longer and bought the one set listed eBay for $40. They're the classic shape with the blue graphic.

I was watching that auction, didn't bite tho (want 101a)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on July 26, 2013, 10:42:16 PM
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I've been skating a set for a month or so now.
I think I saw someone mention that they're like Spitfires version of STFs. Whoever said that was wrong as hell. These feel nothing like STFs. STF's are real slick and slidey, as opposed to the F4's which lean more on the grippier side when compared to STFs. Don't get me wrong, they have some slide to them, but if you're buying a set thinking you're gonna get the same slideiness as a STF wheel, then you'll be disappointed. I'd say they feel somewhat close to a SF classic in terms of how they slide and grip, just a lot more durable than an SF classic. No flatspots or little chips out of the wheel yet, so I'd say they're holding up very well so far. I don't have a car so I skate everywhere, and there's some pretty rough asphalt here, so I usually wear down wheels pretty fast, and I've noticed that these have shrunken down a teeny bit, but barely at all, so I'd say they're wearing out a very good rate. Overall I'd say they're pretty damn good wheels.
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did you ride the 99's? Mine were an earlier prototype that just said "team edition formula 4" and they were far from grippy, so I'm guessing you have the 99's and mine were 101
I have the 101 formula 4s, and they feel even more grippy than the set of parkburners I had before this which were 99
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on July 26, 2013, 10:44:06 PM
Someone post a wear test review ASAP, you just can't trust spitfire yet
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 27, 2013, 10:09:31 AM
I've been skating a set for a month or so now.
I think I saw someone mention that they're like Spitfires version of STFs. Whoever said that was wrong as hell. These feel nothing like STFs. STF's are real slick and slidey, as opposed to the F4's which lean more on the grippier side when compared to STFs. Don't get me wrong, they have some slide to them, but if you're buying a set thinking you're gonna get the same slideiness as a STF wheel, then you'll be disappointed. I'd say they feel somewhat close to a SF classic in terms of how they slide and grip, just a lot more durable than an SF classic. No flatspots or little chips out of the wheel yet, so I'd say they're holding up very well so far. I don't have a car so I skate everywhere, and there's some pretty rough asphalt here, so I usually wear down wheels pretty fast, and I've noticed that these have shrunken down a teeny bit, but barely at all, so I'd say they're wearing out a very good rate. Overall I'd say they're pretty damn good wheels.

If that's true then I'm really sold. Classics are some of the best feeling/riding wheels out there, I've not flatspotted a set in ages but they do wear down super fast. If the F4s are essentially durable classics, spits got a hit; there is a reason why most of the pros skate the classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bliz on July 28, 2013, 11:17:27 PM
I've had nothing but terrible experiences with Spitfires in the past so all I've chosen for the last two years are bones.  Tried going back to some F1's for a month and that got old extremely quick, but I hate how slippery bones are on certain terrains, really hoping these don't disappoint
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on July 29, 2013, 12:42:05 AM
I've had nothing but terrible experiences with Spitfires in the past so all I've chosen for the last two years are bones.  Tried going back to some F1's for a month and that got old extremely quick, but I hate how slippery bones are on certain terrains, really hoping these don't disappoint

Sorry to be a dick but why did you kept supporting a product that you didn't like ? Any regular skate wheels feel the same as SF so why bother paying extra money for a different graphic ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bliz on July 29, 2013, 06:00:59 AM
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I've had nothing but terrible experiences with Spitfires in the past so all I've chosen for the last two years are bones.  Tried going back to some F1's for a month and that got old extremely quick, but I hate how slippery bones are on certain terrains, really hoping these don't disappoint
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Sorry to be a dick but why did you kept supporting a product that you didn't like ? Any regular skate wheels feel the same as SF so why bother paying extra money for a different graphic ?

Thought to give them a chance after hearing multiple people come through the shop saying they liked them.  Bones are completely different from spits.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on July 29, 2013, 08:41:27 PM
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I've had nothing but terrible experiences with Spitfires in the past so all I've chosen for the last two years are bones.  Tried going back to some F1's for a month and that got old extremely quick, but I hate how slippery bones are on certain terrains, really hoping these don't disappoint
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Sorry to be a dick but why did you kept supporting a product that you didn't like ? Any regular skate wheels feel the same as SF so why bother paying extra money for a different graphic ?
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Thought to give them a chance after hearing multiple people come through the shop saying they liked them.  Bones are completely different from spits.

I didn't try the F4s yet but so far IMO in the 101 grade you either like STF's or regular wheels... they all feel the same except for STF
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 03, 2013, 09:17:05 PM
Man, tick tock DLX, get these wheels to market already - if they're not out next week, I'm bucking up for some autobahns.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on August 04, 2013, 08:53:28 AM
Darin says two weeks and they'll be in shops.  Plus I've seen pic recently of the wheels in their retail packaging.

So...

Two weeks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: scorpion1001 on August 04, 2013, 12:00:48 PM
Darin says two weeks and they'll be in shops.  Plus I've seen pic recently of the wheels in their retail packaging.

So...

Two weeks
nice, right at the end of summer when most young skaters are spending the majority of their time skating and not going back to school
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on August 04, 2013, 12:15:00 PM
I hope these things are worth the wait.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: White Owl on August 04, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
I hope these things are worth the wait.

i love mine. been skating them for a couple months and they haven't flatspotted after lots of power slides which would normally flatspot my f1's.

also they havent discolored either, they are still at that light beige color, which i really am starting to like more than white
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: vegan*shawn on August 04, 2013, 12:49:00 PM
Any word on color wheels? I am bored of white wheels but really want to try out these new Spitfires!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 04, 2013, 02:07:29 PM
Darin says two weeks and they'll be in shops.  Plus I've seen pic recently of the wheels in their retail packaging.

So...

Two weeks

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m95mg58Hna1r3kxbwo1_500.jpg)

It's been 'a week or two' since what, May? heh.

Maybe the timing will be right and I'll be able to snag a new pair of Theeves and a set of F4s.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: McDonald's Hot Fudge Sundae on August 04, 2013, 02:37:21 PM
Are these wheels coming out at the end of August? Envying all the people have the hookups and say how great they are but I have never seen them for sale.

These and the "prototype" green bushings from Spitfire (or whatever name Deluxe will brand them under) are highly anticipated and have me chomping at the bit. It feels kinda feels stupid to be so excited about a set of wheels, but since skateboarding rarely has any technological updates, it is good to know that some new ideas can make a difference. I hate flat spots and I appreciate that DLX is trying to do better even though they already have such a strong team and sales. And skateboarders seem so jaded (or seriously tired of gimmicks) the fact that these Formula Fours are so well received is promising.

Not related to wheels, but as as a tech upgrade, the P2 decks seemed polarizing. Many love them, many more say (7-ply, keep it simple). The Real low pro seems less "controversial". But these wheels seem to treat everyone who has had a chance to skate them right. Not a gimmick, just an improvement. And that doesn't seem to happen that often in skateboarding.

Btw: anyone know the price point of the Formula Fours?

I hope it isn't some crazy $35-40 like those plan B pro-spec wheels. Anybody know what the deal with pro spec wheels? They has great commercials with the high speed camera. PJ Ladd grinding the bench is my favorite commercial clip of all time. That being said I never bought pro spec as they never mentioned any type of improvements outside of golf ball dimpling to keep them lighter than without. It seems as if the marketing people Syndrome chose the "more expensive = better" approach to get the new to activity, kids with pops credit card, sales when piecing together "the ultimate setup" from a CCS catalog. What I imagine would be a $99 Almost Uber Light, $120 Theeve Full titaniums, $100 Ceramic Swiss Bearings, pro spec wheels. To be skated for a month then parked in the garage until the next "cool thing" comes along.






Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: heckler on August 04, 2013, 02:38:21 PM
Grabbed another set last weekend and they're great, I've been trying my hardest to flatspot them and it's next to impossible.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kinch on August 04, 2013, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: McDonald's Hot Fudge Sundae  link=topic=68020.msg1969095#msg1969095 date=1375652241
Btw: anyone know the price point of the Formula Fours?


Dude who runs my local was saying they'll be ordering and selling em at the same price as STFs. This is in the UK though so could be different elsewhere.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Timmy666 on August 05, 2013, 12:27:10 PM
now available on ccs...
http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54 (http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: coneklr on August 05, 2013, 01:20:42 PM
now available on ccs...
http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54 (http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54)

Nope, all back ordered or sold out, try again :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: peewee on August 05, 2013, 06:09:59 PM
yeah they've been on ccs for a while now and i really envy you all who got the hook up  :-\
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Timmy666 on August 05, 2013, 09:20:01 PM
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now available on ccs...
http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54 (http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54)
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Nope, all back ordered or sold out, try again :)
I can see that, I guess I should of worded it differently. There's more shipping tomorrow so might as well consider them available. I saw some sizes left and only posted this to show the price and that they were available online. :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on August 06, 2013, 06:04:58 AM
are they selling them at the dlxsf store?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on August 06, 2013, 09:36:00 AM
Saw somebody at the park yesterday with the same F4s as me. It felt like finding a rare Pokemon in the wild.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shred420 on August 06, 2013, 09:50:04 AM
Saw somebody at the park yesterday with the same F4s as me. It felt like finding a rare Pokemon in the wild.

i see kids with f4s all the time out here
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 06, 2013, 11:37:45 AM
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now available on ccs...
http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54 (http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54)
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Nope, all back ordered or sold out, try again :)
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I can see that, I guess I should have* worded it differently. There's more shipping tomorrow so might as well consider them available. I saw some sizes left and only posted this to show the price and that they were available online. :)
That's because CCS are a piece of shit company that will sell things that they don't have. They've had them listed for months now, and they change the ship date everyday for infinite tomorrows. This way, people go and say oh! they ship tomorrow! but in fact, CCS has no idea when they are actually getting them.
DLX told me they were going to be in shops in the "middle" of August, but I think they'd rather just not let people down with something that has been so hyped.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on August 06, 2013, 12:54:14 PM
Spanish ripper killing it for Spitfire

Formula-Four Spitfire Commercial by E?aut Oyarbide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdBkFMqLKvg#ws)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on August 06, 2013, 01:03:32 PM
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now available on ccs...
http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54 (http://shop.ccs.com/product/model:205838/sku:65-06732/spitfire-formula-four-classic-wheels/blue/white/?cm=GLOBAL%20SEARCH%3A%20KEYWORD%20SEARCH#sku=65-06734&size=54)
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Nope, all back ordered or sold out, try again :)
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I can see that, I guess I should have* worded it differently. There's more shipping tomorrow so might as well consider them available. I saw some sizes left and only posted this to show the price and that they were available online. :)
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That's because CCS are a piece of shit company that will sell things that they don't have. They've had them listed for months now, and they change the ship date everyday for infinite tomorrows. This way, people go and say oh! they ship tomorrow! but in fact, CCS has no idea when they are actually getting them.
DLX told me they were going to be in shops in the "middle" of August, but I think they'd rather just not let people down with something that has been so hyped.
Its not CCS it's the fact that Spitfire is a dumbass company that can't make enough good wheels to ship out. They are more expensive than STF ffs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on August 06, 2013, 01:55:56 PM
Spanish ripper killing it for Spitfire

Formula-Four Spitfire Commercial by E?aut Oyarbide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdBkFMqLKvg#ws)
More important than F4s, what was that witchcraft at 1:53?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on August 07, 2013, 12:29:30 AM
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DLX told me they were going to be in shops in the "middle" of August, but I think they'd rather just not let people down with something that has been so hyped.
I have a feeling that they are seriously overdoing it with the hype and building them up. Like I said earlier in my little review about them, I think they're good wheels, but I have a feeling that some people are going to be expecting some sort of miracle magic wheel and then be thoroughly disappointed when they find out that they're just normal wheels that just happen to be pretty good and a bit more durable than your average wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 07, 2013, 09:36:09 AM
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I have a feeling that they are seriously overdoing it with the hype and building them up. Like I said earlier in my little review about them, I think they're good wheels, but I have a feeling that some people are going to be expecting some sort of miracle magic wheel and then be thoroughly disappointed when they find out that they're just normal wheels that just happen to be pretty good and a bit more durable than your average wheel.
I have yet to try the 101 f4, but 99s feel pretty magical to me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 07, 2013, 12:00:22 PM
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Spanish ripper killing it for Spitfire

Formula-Four Spitfire Commercial by E?aut Oyarbide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdBkFMqLKvg#ws)
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More important than F4s, what was that witchcraft at 1:53?

For real...I thought the same thing.

The wheels sound hard to me. I doubt they are lightening in a bottle and there a tons of good wheel companies out there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: heritage on August 07, 2013, 12:19:42 PM
Anyone ever ride Satori Mandala wheels? I ride Parkburners, but am interested in the Mandala as they are also 98a.

there a tons of good wheel companies out there.

For real.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Life Fast Johnny on August 07, 2013, 01:09:24 PM
Anyone ever ride Satori Mandala wheels? I ride Parkburners, but am interested in the Mandala as they are also 98a.

Local dude swears by them.  They seem to last him a long time too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on August 07, 2013, 08:49:09 PM
The guys at DLX shop say Formula 4's will be in shops next week.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ZEBRA on August 08, 2013, 04:05:33 PM
Spanish ripper killing it for Spitfire

Formula-Four Spitfire Commercial by E?aut Oyarbide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdBkFMqLKvg#ws)

I'm in love with that skatepark.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 12, 2013, 01:59:26 AM
Looks like these things are finally fucking out! http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=38412 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=38412)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on August 12, 2013, 07:02:02 AM
of course...

I order a deck from Socal on Saturday and these bitches go online on Monday.

FML
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LeakThis on August 12, 2013, 08:37:47 AM
just ordered 52 in the 101 thanks for the heads up had mine on back order since june 16 at ccs fuck them fools
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on August 12, 2013, 05:33:18 PM
been riding mine for a month now, and the best way to describe it is that they feel like brand new classics every time you skate them. Not a single thing wrong with the wheels after a month, not the slightest flatspot and no little chunks in the wheels like the last Spitfires I've had. You gotta buy these wheels!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 13, 2013, 01:59:34 PM
I've been riding the f4 99s for a few months now, here's my 2cents: they feel nice and grippy around corners and provide a very slick yet controllable slide on bluntslides. They seem like a great replacement for spitfire classics for people who don't want to slide all over the place but still want to maintain tons of speed. Thanks to Nate for hooking me up, I'll post a more lengthy review after I set up the 101s.

I did manage to get a flatspot after a few stand up powerslides on smooth concrete, but keep in mind I was trying to flatspot them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smellyfart on August 13, 2013, 02:42:46 PM
my local shop just got them in, guessing others will soon now. go out and get a set, they are flippin killer!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on August 13, 2013, 07:58:46 PM
This may be a dumb question, but are 99s or 101s harder?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 13, 2013, 08:10:14 PM
This may be a dumb question, but are 99s or 101s harder?

Both durometers are part of the A scale.

101a > 99a

101a wheels are harder than 99a wheels by two points of the A scale.

I've been staring at a shopping cart with both 99a and 101a wheels sitting in it. Such a small gap in duro. I'm a fan of the classics so I am leaning towards the 99a classics (and since I'm not skating any park, where I'd want a harder wheel), I guess I should stick to the 99a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: White Owl on August 13, 2013, 09:58:25 PM
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Both durometers are part of the A scale.

101a > 99a

101a wheels are harder than 99a wheels by two points of the A scale.

I've been staring at a shopping cart with both 99a and 101a wheels sitting in it. Such a small gap in duro. I'm a fan of the classics so I am leaning towards the 99a classics (and since I'm not skating any park, where I'd want a harder wheel), I guess I should stick to the 99a.

the 99a F4's have been good to me in park and street. i dont see the reason for harder wheels, if you need to slide, simply put on a little wax
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on August 13, 2013, 11:03:53 PM
They both feel pretty hard, the 101's are a little slicker on the smooth parks.
The 99s feel far from soft, loud screeching when you slide.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: n8a on August 14, 2013, 09:43:02 AM
Any word on color wheels? I am bored of white wheels but really want to try out these new Spitfires!

Colored Formula Fours will roll out in the coming months. Just white for now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 15, 2013, 01:14:04 PM
I'd recommend the 99's for asphalt
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on August 15, 2013, 01:19:44 PM
I'd recommend the 99's for asphalt
Good, because that's what I got.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: No comply on August 15, 2013, 04:46:44 PM
I hope they make the full shape larger than a 55. Otherwise I won't try them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on August 15, 2013, 04:54:52 PM
got some 52mm tablet 101's. like them a lot so far. coming right off bones stf's, so i don't notice them being any slicker.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on August 15, 2013, 05:09:25 PM
Waiting on some 52/101 classics to arrive.  I am super stoked.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yeahisaidit on August 15, 2013, 08:02:37 PM
Bones took for granted the durability of their wheels. Yes they feel like plastic, but they last a long time, slide when you want to, and stay white. But they have the absolute worst team and graphics. For making as quality of a product as STF, how they can't build a team that reflects that is pathetic. No I don't wanna buy a Jordan Hoffart, Adam Dyet, or Chad Bartie wheel. Bones swiss are clearly the bearings by which all other are measured, and paid pros will buy or trade for those bearings. Bones wheels should have followed suit and paid attention to classic aesthetics. The thing that spitfire has going for them is their image and the fact that the world backs them. It was only a matter of time before they made a product their patrons have been waiting on. I'm glad these took time to come out. I bought the 101s 54 mm yesterday, and yes while most wheels feel great after a day, these clearly felt how I imagine wheels to feel like. And yes they slide great. Even if the formula four last 3/4 of the time as long as stf, bones is gonna see a large decrease in sales because of these.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on August 15, 2013, 08:13:49 PM
Any folks on here without a local shop that stocks them feel free to email my shop with questions or orders.
[email protected]
Size and shape wise we have

99a classic shape
51
52
53
54
58

99a full shape

51
55

101 a classic shape
51
52
54
58

We ship internationally too.
Stoked to read all the positive feedback on these!
Dave
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 15, 2013, 08:56:20 PM
http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)

Sizes shapes and other dimensions on here as well as a fucked up businitz clip
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hamish on August 15, 2013, 09:06:54 PM
I can't hold powerslides for shit and I've been riding STFs for the last few years so I'm not sure which duro I should grab.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 16, 2013, 02:38:53 AM
I can't hold powerslides for shit and I've been riding STFs for the last few years so I'm not sure which duro I should grab.

I read on the spitfire facebook that theyve been told the 99s feel comparable to STFs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: n8a on August 16, 2013, 08:11:14 AM
I can't hold powerslides for shit and I've been riding STFs for the last few years so I'm not sure which duro I should grab.

The 99's slide really good but the 101s are a bit slicker. A harder wheel is generally going to slide better because it will have less friction. Either way they slide great and feel completely different than a STF.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on August 16, 2013, 08:15:05 AM
Got the 99's in the mail today(thanks Nate!!!). Can't wait to try them out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Basingstoke on August 16, 2013, 03:30:23 PM
How do the formula four 99s compare to regular formula Spitfire 99s ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on August 16, 2013, 03:44:39 PM
better slide, last longer and they will get you laid.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 16, 2013, 04:01:21 PM
Ugh, been putting off buying wheels for these things, still none in the shop. 45 minutes from San Francisco and we can't get the wheels! I blame the rep.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on August 16, 2013, 08:37:25 PM
Ugh, been putting off buying wheels for these things, still none in the shop. 45 minutes from San Francisco and we can't get the wheels! I blame the rep.

They're probably worth the drive to 1831 Market Street... Just sayin'
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 17, 2013, 12:30:16 AM
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Ugh, been putting off buying wheels for these things, still none in the shop. 45 minutes from San Francisco and we can't get the wheels! I blame the rep.
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They're probably worth the drive to 1831 Market Street... Just sayin'
Fucking Atlas can get them but Circle A can't?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: vegan*shawn on August 17, 2013, 09:37:38 AM
Going to get some of these when I get some extra money. Everyone I know who has them keeps raving about them, I hate being left out on the cool new stuff :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: McCly on August 17, 2013, 10:00:43 AM
That Busenitz clip alone sold me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tony volume on August 17, 2013, 02:06:50 PM
Ugh, been putting off buying wheels for these things, still none in the shop. 45 minutes from San Francisco and we can't get the wheels! I blame the rep.
What shop do you go to? 510 and milo got em!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Latarian Milton on August 17, 2013, 07:38:40 PM
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Ugh, been putting off buying wheels for these things, still none in the shop. 45 minutes from San Francisco and we can't get the wheels! I blame the rep.
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They're probably worth the drive to 1831 Market Street... Just sayin'
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Fucking Atlas can get them but Circle A can't?

What's wrong with taking a trip to Atlas to get em?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PeanutGallery on August 18, 2013, 06:34:25 PM
^^ Ive wanted to try these out but had a feeling that may occur. Ive flatspotted my bones before but they somehow even themselves out...you think that'll happen with your fours or are they completely done?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tuna on August 18, 2013, 09:58:17 PM
i back lipped an unwaxed ledge within minutes of setting them up and they didn't flatspot. also threw a powerslide around a corner at the skatepark, and kinda slid out, which i would normally expect a flatspot to occur from, and didn't get one. Sold on these bad boys so far.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on August 19, 2013, 03:42:47 AM
cant wait to try those when they arrive in central europe in 2 or 3 years.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 19, 2013, 04:09:57 AM
cant wait to try those when they arrive in central europe in 2 or 3 years.

...and portugal in the next century!   :-\
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on August 19, 2013, 07:31:51 AM
^^ Ive wanted to try these out but had a feeling that may occur. Ive flatspotted my bones before but they somehow even themselves out...you think that'll happen with your fours or are they completely done?
Plenty of testimonials from people in this topic who have ridden them for months and had no issues.
Then again any wheel can flatspot, but these resist them better than anything else I have skated in years.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Drew on August 19, 2013, 07:38:33 AM
my friend uchi who rides for spitfire in Japan didn't really like them but i ordered a set to try out anyway (my local should get them sometime this week)... if i dont like them ill just give them to someone at the park and use the brand new set of autobahns sitting on my floor.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: n8a on August 19, 2013, 10:15:57 AM
cant wait to try those when they arrive in central europe in 2 or 3 years.

Hopefully our distributor there will order sooner than that! Let your shops know there is a demand so they can pas the message along!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: n8a on August 19, 2013, 10:20:27 AM
Ugh, been putting off buying wheels for these things, still none in the shop. 45 minutes from San Francisco and we can't get the wheels! I blame the rep.

The wheels are available to all of our accounts. If they don't order them we cant do much about that. Sorry man the emails and phone calls were made to all of our accounts on the same day and were made available to al shops on the same day. Also Atlas and Circle A are both amazing shops worth supporting. A trip into either is a good choice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on August 19, 2013, 11:42:31 AM
http://www.rippedlaces.com/2013/08/spitfire-formula-four-review/ (http://www.rippedlaces.com/2013/08/spitfire-formula-four-review/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Babby on August 19, 2013, 11:48:19 AM
Throw your bones in the trash, these wheels are worth every penny.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 19, 2013, 11:49:16 AM
I really like the 101's. They slide like STFs but don't feel like shit.
The 99s are awesome too, but the 101's are exactly what I've been wanting in a wheel. Also, love the Tablet shape.
(http://distilleryimage1.ak.instagram.com/46a6e41a082711e3b4f522000ae908a3_7.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on August 19, 2013, 12:23:16 PM
I really like the 101's. They slide like STFs but don't feel like shit.
The 99s are awesome too, but the 101's are exactly what I've been wanting in a wheel. Also, love the Tablet shape.
(http://distilleryimage1.ak.instagram.com/46a6e41a082711e3b4f522000ae908a3_7.jpg)

I wanted to try out the 101 Tablet shape - is it similar to a "lock in" shape, Firebert?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 19, 2013, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=68020.msg1979132#msg1979132 date=1376940196
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I really like the 101's. They slide like STFs but don't feel like shit.
The 99s are awesome too, but the 101's are exactly what I've been wanting in a wheel. Also, love the Tablet shape.
(http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs-101dt.png)
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I wanted to try out the 101 Tablet shape - is it similar to a "lock in" shape, Firebert?
Yeah, similar the the bones v2 shape, flip sidecuts, etc.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: peewee on August 19, 2013, 03:00:58 PM
i got a little problem, my bearings are sliding out of the wheels. So im constantly checking and always having to push the bearings back in with my thumbs

is this happening to anyone else? hope im not the only one
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: McDonald's Hot Fudge Sundae on August 19, 2013, 09:30:52 PM
Eric, are they the tablet shaped formula fours?  I have heard Bones STF in v2 shape can do so as well, but has not yet happened to me so far.

I had the same problem with some 54mm wheels I got as a promo from Black Label named Revolution. Revolution Wheels. I think they were poured by creative and similar to momentum and autobahn. But the bearings on right rear would slip a bit and it would feel slower and bumpy. Like an almost flat spot. It was super annoying so I gave them away to some kids who just play skate. As they would stay in rolling straight. But any grinding or shifty slides would slip them up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: peewee on August 19, 2013, 11:01:07 PM
no they are classic shape. And yeah i had some bones V2s a couple years ago that did the same thing

yeah i see what you mean, whenever i do a feeble most likely the bearing is sliding out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: McDonald's Hot Fudge Sundae on August 19, 2013, 11:25:56 PM
What always bothered them for me was when doing a "reverse edger grind" while rounding a corner of a bowl. But from on top. Similar to skating a sidewalk and slash grinding the edge. It also pops cores on soft wheels so I never do that anymore on store board setups. Have been liking the v2 and really liking the look of the tablet fours. Will be my next set of hard wheels. Finally they are on the market!!! I ride 8.5 with standard 149 Indies so weight savings a plus. But mainly for the lock in. The way they positively lock into SF smith in bowls is best feeling ever. Getting ready to learn back smiths. All I can do so far is turn into them and stall. Got to get the balls to throw it in with speed. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: n8a on August 20, 2013, 08:03:38 AM
i got a little problem, my bearings are sliding out of the wheels. So im constantly checking and always having to push the bearings back in with my thumbs

is this happening to anyone else? hope im not the only one

I believe our customer service department contacted you already but if not please shoot me an email to [email protected] and we will get that sorted out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 20, 2013, 10:18:54 AM
Has anyone tried them in bowls? I need a new set of pool/bowl wheels, around 56mm.

Too bad he tablets max out at 53mm or I'd grab them in 56mm; are these built with ledge/rail in mind?

Spit, make a cored F4 wheel for pools ;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: McDonald's Hot Fudge Sundae on August 20, 2013, 11:06:01 AM
The idea of a cored wheel in 56-58 with the formula four urethane I would buy too.  I know the super light marketing gets a lot of criticism, but it is nice to have best of both at parks. Weight doesn't really matter too much on big transitions. But for parks that have ledges and "street course" obstacles I can be a little more consistent on a lighter setup. Wheel weight seems to affect my ability maybe because it is further out and not centralized. So it can make a board feel heavier.

I have had setups with heavy trucks and light wheels. And light trucks with heavier wheels. With both weighing the same, the heavy wheeled board responds differently and the weight is felt. Not bad, just different. Maybe it is the center of gravity. Similar to the idea behind Low Pro decks, which some immediately like and others are indifferent to.

And 8.38/8.5 low pro with titanium hollow 149ers with the idea of formula four FireLites in 56-58mm would make for a legit all terrain board that does not respond like a super tanker. No gimmicks, just sound physics. I have many heavier setups which skate well. But am open to going lighter if gear is made by legit brands for legit reasons.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on August 20, 2013, 12:15:41 PM
Quote from: McDonald's Hot Fudge Sundae  link=topic=68020.msg1979851#msg1979851 date=1377021961
The idea of a cored wheel in 56-58 with the formula four urethane I would buy too.  I know the super light marketing gets a lot of criticism, but it is nice to have best of both at parks. Weight doesn't really matter too much on big transitions. But for parks that have ledges and "street course" obstacles I can be a little more consistent on a lighter setup. Wheel weight seems to affect my ability maybe because it is further out and not centralized. So it can make a board feel heavier.

I have had setups with heavy trucks and light wheels. And light trucks with heavier wheels. With both weighing the same, the heavy wheeled board responds differently and the weight is felt. Not bad, just different. Maybe it is the center of gravity. Similar to the idea behind Low Pro decks, which some immediately like and others are indifferent to.

And 8.38/8.5 low pro with titanium hollow 149ers with the idea of formula four FireLites in 56-58mm would make for a legit all terrain board that does not respond like a super tanker. No gimmicks, just sound physics. I have many heavier setups which skate well. But am open to going lighter if gear is made by legit brands for legit reasons.

You're actually right, it sounds physics, but there are too much parameters to be taken into account to think it will have an influence other than psychological on your skateboard.
Skating without your wallet or keys would rather have an higher impact on your skateboarding than those gimmicks.

That being said the strenght of the mind is considerable, so I can understand you feel a real difference.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on August 21, 2013, 12:51:34 PM
Really liking the wheels so far. No flat spots on anything that I would normally get flat spots on instantly. The 99s grip very well. Went to a local indoor park that I normally slide out very easy because everything is so waxed and the wood they use. They gripped amazing. Only complaint was doing a slappy crook on a curb and my inside wheel has some severe chipping and I just got them last Saturday. Anyone else have problems with chipping?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dirty_Ratlips on August 22, 2013, 08:50:28 AM
Im asking a friend who is flying to New York in two weeks to buy me a pair!
Because these wheels will go for like 70-90 dollars in Sweden.

Does anyone from there know any shops who has them yet?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on August 22, 2013, 09:24:06 AM
Im asking a friend who is flying to New York in two weeks to buy me a pair!
Because these wheels will go for like 70-90 dollars in Sweden.

Does anyone from there know any shops who has them yet?

These are all pretty good bets

beliefnyc.com
laborskateshop.com
kcdcskateshop.com
blades.com
supremenewyork.com
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on August 22, 2013, 11:25:52 AM
Seasonsskateshop.bigcartel.com will have them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on August 24, 2013, 07:38:37 AM
Im asking a friend who is flying to New York in two weeks to buy me a pair!
Because these wheels will go for like 70-90 dollars in Sweden.

Does anyone from there know any shops who has them yet?
Hollywood in Gothenburg has them and they'll be up on the webshop next week, they're 499:-
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on August 24, 2013, 08:36:16 AM
I've noticed prices all over the board for them. From $39.95 to $55.  What's the MSRP?

Some "skateshops"...ahem... are shady as fuck these days.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: coneklr on August 24, 2013, 08:57:56 AM
I've noticed prices all over the board for them. From $39.95 to $55.  What's the MSRP?

Some "skateshops"...ahem... are shady as fuck these days.

Gonna say $35 as that is where most online places have them selling for as well as a couple shops close to me.  My new favorite semi local shop has them for $33 http://www.seasonsskateshop.bigcartel.com/category/wheels (http://www.seasonsskateshop.bigcartel.com/category/wheels)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on August 24, 2013, 09:38:48 AM
i paid $35 at dlx.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on August 24, 2013, 10:07:19 AM
It's been about two months since I've had a set, and I have to say they are holding up very well.
In my last review I said they shrunk down a bit skating them in the time I've had them, but after the first month or so they stopped shrinking, they've pretty much just stayed the same from that point on. It's pretty weird, but really awesome. They shrunk down a couple of millimeters the first month I skated them since I pretty much skate everywhere and the ground here ain't the smoothest, but then they pretty much just reached a certain point and stopped shrinking from there, and I still skate everywhere on the rough ass ground here. Like I said, it's pretty weird but also pretty damn awesome.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: InternetDaddy on August 24, 2013, 11:20:39 AM
I just bought a set of the full shapes yesterday, probably going to set them up tonight. The only weird thing is that one wheel is lighter (color wise) than the other three. Probably nothing, but I thought it was strange.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Matt Mazza on August 24, 2013, 12:48:08 PM
The 101a are slick as hell. Really fun to powerslide on but I was always nervous taking turns at high speeds. One time I was carving a bowl and all of a sudden just started bs powersliding this corner. I havent tried the 99as yet I wish they would make them in 100s!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on August 24, 2013, 12:50:50 PM
I got the 99 classic shapes in a 53. Haven't set them up yet but these good reviews seem very promising.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: vegan*shawn on August 24, 2013, 01:35:58 PM
Local shop got them, but the 99a where sold out except for 52 and that's to small for me, going to get some maybe next week.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 24, 2013, 01:51:48 PM
I've noticed prices all over the board for them. From $39.95 to $55.  What's the MSRP?

Some "skateshops"...ahem... are shady as fuck these days.

Don't pay over $35... That's fucked.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on August 24, 2013, 05:52:29 PM
29.95 on so cal skateshop
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1955&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1955&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: layzieyez on August 24, 2013, 09:55:48 PM
29.95 on so cal skateshop
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1955&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=1955&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc)
That's where I ordered mine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 24, 2013, 11:44:58 PM
Most spitfires at 510 skateboarding in bekreley always had em for $28 and bones stfs were $35 so I'm sure the formula 4s should be about the same as regular spits. There's no price difference between regular spitfires and the f1s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: darkslideoftheforce on August 25, 2013, 05:26:51 AM
In Norway they cost the same as regular spitfires/f1s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on August 25, 2013, 09:08:15 AM
Most spitfires at 510 skateboarding in bekreley always had em for $28 and bones stfs were $35 so I'm sure the formula 4s should be about the same as regular spits. There's no price difference between regular spitfires and the f1s
Suggested retail from deluxe is $35.00
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: snowman600 on August 25, 2013, 07:21:04 PM
I got some 99 classic shapes in 54. considering how these have been so far for powerslides, i'd be scared to try 101's.
no complaints so far.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on August 25, 2013, 07:22:51 PM
the 101's are definitely grippier than STF's. didn't feel like i was sliding out constantly on a metal quarter, but used to with the bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeputyDoses on August 25, 2013, 08:08:27 PM
I've been skating strictly bones stf's for around four years now. How hard would it be to get used to the 99a formula fours?
Has anyone made the transition from Bones STF's to 99a Formula Fours?

I love the feel of sliding really well on ledges that aren't caked with wax, but it's a bitch to slide out at parks all of the time.
If anything, I'll just opt for the 101a wheels --- I'm just looking for some feedback
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on August 26, 2013, 08:15:18 AM
I've been skating strictly bones stf's for around four years now. How hard would it be to get used to the 99a formula fours?
Has anyone made the transition from Bones STF's to 99a Formula Fours?

I love the feel of sliding really well on ledges that aren't caked with wax, but it's a bitch to slide out at parks all of the time.
If anything, I'll just opt for the 101a wheels --- I'm just looking for some feedback
The classic shaped 99s slide really well and screech, but 101's will be a better replacement.
I only noticed the slickness at one new skatepark that is pretty damn fast.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on August 26, 2013, 07:41:27 PM
These F4's are the truth, I was shocked how responsive they are.  If everyone's wheels are sliding like mine are, expect the next magenta vid to literally be the silliest shit of all time hahaha.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Powdered Toast Man! on August 26, 2013, 11:02:19 PM
I've been skating strictly bones stf's for around four years now. How hard would it be to get used to the 99a formula fours?
Has anyone made the transition from Bones STF's to 99a Formula Fours?

I love the feel of sliding really well on ledges that aren't caked with wax, but it's a bitch to slide out at parks all of the time.
If anything, I'll just opt for the 101a wheels --- I'm just looking for some feedback

me. just set my 101 54mm today and i must say i goddamn im sold
what i loved/hated about bones was the easiness and effortlessness to powerslide.
with these you can actually feel the grippiness the F4s have on the ground right away and you can powerslide about the same(but gotta put more weight/go slightly faster)
zero flatspots
made me feel much more confident and had control over the board than being slippery with bones.
also, slappys felt easier on classical shape than stf tablets, but thats just me
AND theyre louder!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BRIX SKWIKZ on August 26, 2013, 11:26:42 PM
ARE THEY BETTER THAN THE BONES MINICUBICS ?

OF COURSE NOT
BONES MINICUBICS GRIP LIKE GORILLA PAWS
POWERSLIDE WITH STYLE
AND THE DOUBLE ROUNDED EDGES ARE PERFECT FOR COPING, CURBS AND XTREME LANDINGS


BUT MAYBE I WOULD TRY A F4 IF THEY CAME IN 64
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 27, 2013, 01:02:24 PM
These F4's are the truth, I was shocked how responsive they are.  If everyone's wheels are sliding like mine are, expect the next magenta vid to literally be the silliest shit of all time hahaha.
I was thinking the same thing as I was powersliding over double pump humps and down stairs at the park
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on August 28, 2013, 02:58:41 AM
its kind of stupid how slick the 101s are... it doesn't even feel like a powerslide and makes no noise :( i might have to get the 99s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on August 28, 2013, 07:37:55 AM
its kind of stupid how slick the 101s are... it doesn't even feel like a powerslide and makes no noise :( i might have to get the 99s
Did you get new bearings as well?
Do you tighten your wheels up a lot too?
Both those things make new wheels feel a bit weird.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dethcomic on August 28, 2013, 08:09:21 AM
Got the 99s in the full shape. They look and feel so good
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: darkslideoftheforce on August 28, 2013, 10:17:45 AM
Got the 99's in 54, can't wait to set them up. Just gotta tear through these shitty shop wheels first.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 28, 2013, 11:32:46 AM
its kind of stupid how slick the 101s are... it doesn't even feel like a powerslide and makes no noise :( i might have to get the 99s
I've had my 101s for a little over a week now and they are starting to screech
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on August 28, 2013, 02:03:14 PM
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its kind of stupid how slick the 101s are... it doesn't even feel like a powerslide and makes no noise :( i might have to get the 99s
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I've had my 101s for a little over a week now and they are starting to screech
yeah, the first few slides were slippery as fuck, but they're getting better!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeputyDoses on August 28, 2013, 03:03:36 PM
Thanks for the feedback! I'm sold.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on August 28, 2013, 03:15:57 PM
Nallid bought some for himself last week and fronted me money for mine too. I got 52 classic 99s and took em out for the first time today. went to Roosevelt skatepark in SJ and was expecting some slippin and slidin but they actually gripped really well and slid super good on the ledge. I think Nallid flatspotted his so if they don't smooth out and Circle-A doesn't swap em out im sure he will be hitting up that warranty action. Thanks again Nallid!   
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on August 28, 2013, 05:33:47 PM
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its kind of stupid how slick the 101s are... it doesn't even feel like a powerslide and makes no noise :( i might have to get the 99s
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Did you get new bearings as well?
Do you tighten your wheels up a lot too?
Both those things make new wheels feel a bit weird.
Just a thought.

yeah new bones swiss, maybe thats the case. ill keep skating em regardless but glad to hear they feel better after a bit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheKraken on August 28, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
Spitfire is blowing it lately Darkstar and Bones have  flatspot guarantees on their wheels. If formula 4 doesn't work out I will never trust them again
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on August 29, 2013, 01:56:10 AM
Spitfire is blowing it lately Darkstar and Bones have  flatspot guarantees on their wheels. If formula 4 doesn't work out I will never trust them again
Bones doesn't have that anymore
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: InternetDaddy on August 29, 2013, 05:13:07 AM
pretty sure darkstar just has that because not enough people ride their wheels to prove them wrong.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on August 29, 2013, 09:15:27 AM
I actually had a set of Darkstar wheels years back and they were great.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 29, 2013, 09:17:29 AM
so i've been riding f1's for the last 2 years and they work great. im really looking forward to trying the f4's.. i know the f1's are 101..how's the difference from f1's to the 101 f4's??
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 29, 2013, 11:32:42 AM
I was all excited after I set them up last Friday, I hauled ass out of my apartment complex, got 50 feet and hit a pebble and ate shit, hard.  Flatspot in literally 30 seconds.  I thought it might skate out, but no luck so far.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 29, 2013, 11:54:47 AM
so i've been riding f1's for the last 2 years and they work great. im really looking forward to trying the f4's.. i know the f1's are 101..how's the difference from f1's to the 101 f4's??
night and day
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on August 29, 2013, 01:46:05 PM
I was all excited after I set them up last Friday, I hauled ass out of my apartment complex, got 50 feet and hit a pebble and ate shit, hard.  Flatspot in literally 30 seconds.  I thought it might skate out, but no luck so far.

shit, well I hope my new 99s hold up,  the set I got pre-release have been fine since I've gotten them

Hit up dlx!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: coneklr on August 29, 2013, 02:30:17 PM
Hooked up my set today!  Love them!  Obviously I only have a few hours on them but so far they're really good.  The spot I skate is really smooth but very grippy if that makes sense.  Your 180/360 tricks need to be fully turned, you will not slide out.  Anyway with these wheels they felt pretty much the same rolling around and shit but they were definitely more forgiving when you want to slide.  I'll check back in after a few more sessions and see if I change my mind.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on August 29, 2013, 04:37:24 PM
It's funny, you know when you see web ads for say, spitfire classics, and of course they say, "they're the best wheels, don't flatspot, grip when you want and slide when you want" but in reality they're kind of shitty? For me these wheels actually are that wheel that every wheel says they are. I've been skating them for like two months and I'll probably never skate anything besides F4's after this.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on August 29, 2013, 05:34:33 PM
I was all excited after I set them up last Friday, I hauled ass out of my apartment complex, got 50 feet and hit a pebble and ate shit, hard.  Flatspot in literally 30 seconds.  I thought it might skate out, but no luck so far.
Post up A pic so we can see.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on August 29, 2013, 06:30:45 PM
I finally got a pair of STF's a few days ago, but i'm gonna get the 4's tomorrow for a different set up so i can see how they differ.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 29, 2013, 07:27:10 PM
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g98/dillanharp/2C8EF279-F1D2-400B-B8CA-D189B5FC855B-3297-00000151A56C6783_zps323d0ee3.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BRIX SKWIKZ on August 29, 2013, 07:39:20 PM
HAHAAHA SPITFIRE IS ALWAYS THE SAME SHIT
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheKraken on August 29, 2013, 08:17:39 PM
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g98/dillanharp/2C8EF279-F1D2-400B-B8CA-D189B5FC855B-3297-00000151A56C6783_zps323d0ee3.jpg)

verdict is in
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on August 29, 2013, 08:23:54 PM
Verdict? Show me any wheel that can withstand a similar situation.
F4s stepped the game up a notch after 30 years of urethane wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheKraken on August 29, 2013, 08:38:54 PM
Verdict? Show me any wheel that can withstand a similar situation.
F4s stepped the game up a notch after 30 years of urethane wheels.
Those are brand new wheels, I'd be pissed. You coudn't flatspot stfs if you tried.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on August 29, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
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Verdict? Show me any wheel that can withstand a similar situation.
F4s stepped the game up a notch after 30 years of urethane wheels.
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Those are brand new wheels, I'd be pissed. You coudn't flatspot stfs if you tried.
But he didn't flatspot his by trying. He hit a rock going fast which would've made a STF wheel flatspot too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 29, 2013, 08:52:20 PM
Verdict? Show me any wheel that can withstand a similar situation.
F4s stepped the game up a notch after 30 years of urethane wheels.

I'm not mad at all though, the wheels are nice, even if they do sound like a helicopter right now. Like what he said above, that would have happened to ANY wheel. Just a bad luck.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheKraken on August 29, 2013, 09:09:38 PM
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Verdict? Show me any wheel that can withstand a similar situation.
F4s stepped the game up a notch after 30 years of urethane wheels.
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Those are brand new wheels, I'd be pissed. You coudn't flatspot stfs if you tried.
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But he didn't flatspot his by trying. He hit a rock going fast which would've made a STF wheel flatspot too.
Ahh hitting a rock at high speeds the cause of flatspots since 2013

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pugmaster on August 29, 2013, 09:47:49 PM
pretty sure darkstar just has that because not enough people ride their wheels to prove them wrong.

hahaha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on August 30, 2013, 12:17:23 AM
No wheel will ever be impossible to flatspot, I've flatspotted stf's the first day before... F4 is the truth
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jack2jack on August 30, 2013, 12:17:52 AM
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Verdict? Show me any wheel that can withstand a similar situation.
F4s stepped the game up a notch after 30 years of urethane wheels.
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Those are brand new wheels, I'd be pissed. You coudn't flatspot stfs if you tried.
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But he didn't flatspot his by trying. He hit a rock going fast which would've made a STF wheel flatspot too.
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Ahh hitting a rock at high speeds the cause of flatspots since 2013

Are you serious?

Have flatspotted STF the same way...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on August 30, 2013, 06:47:48 AM
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: n8a on August 30, 2013, 08:04:40 AM
I was all excited after I set them up last Friday, I hauled ass out of my apartment complex, got 50 feet and hit a pebble and ate shit, hard.  Flatspot in literally 30 seconds.  I thought it might skate out, but no luck so far.

Sorry that happened man. Please shoot an email to [email protected] and he will make sure to get you hooked up. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 30, 2013, 01:25:01 PM
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I was all excited after I set them up last Friday, I hauled ass out of my apartment complex, got 50 feet and hit a pebble and ate shit, hard.  Flatspot in literally 30 seconds.  I thought it might skate out, but no luck so far.
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Sorry that happened man. Please shoot an email to [email protected] and he will make sure to get you hooked up. 

Thanks, he already reached out. Amazing customer service.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALZ on September 03, 2013, 01:57:54 PM
How do these do on rough asphalt? I've got some 98a Satoris that are quite good....all streets here are just rough and shit...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 03, 2013, 02:53:07 PM
Liking these wheels so far, can actually hold a powerslide sideways instead of spinning out like i did on other wheels,
only complaint and its an visual one, the full shape i thought would be as close too the squareish SFW shape which i love,
but it seems too have a rounder edge, apart from that, i can't fault them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Christian Alexander on September 04, 2013, 02:20:40 PM
Liking these wheels so far, can actually hold a powerslide sideways instead of spinning out like i did on other wheels,
only complaint and its an visual one, the full shape i thought would be as close too the squareish SFW shape which i love,
but it seems too have a rounder edge, apart from that, i can't fault them.

Stoked you're digging the wheels. We're working on more shapes/sizes for the future, the Manderson shape is definitely on the radar
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: toque on September 04, 2013, 04:03:20 PM
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Liking these wheels so far, can actually hold a powerslide sideways instead of spinning out like i did on other wheels,
only complaint and its an visual one, the full shape i thought would be as close too the squareish SFW shape which i love,
but it seems too have a rounder edge, apart from that, i can't fault them.
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Stoked you're digging the wheels. We're working on more shapes/sizes for the future, the Manderson shape is definitely on the radar

Hell yeah,  101 duro please
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on September 05, 2013, 11:56:20 AM
naw 99^. if you make an sfw shaped F4 i dont think id buy any other wheel EVER. the full is pretty close tho and if they last longer ill just ride those
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 06, 2013, 02:54:42 AM
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Liking these wheels so far, can actually hold a powerslide sideways instead of spinning out like i did on other wheels,
only complaint and its an visual one, the full shape i thought would be as close too the squareish SFW shape which i love,
but it seems too have a rounder edge, apart from that, i can't fault them.
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Stoked you're digging the wheels. We're working on more shapes/sizes for the future, the Manderson shape is definitely on the radar

Awesome, you just made me a very happy man! ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smokecrack on September 06, 2013, 04:43:41 PM
i'm going to get me a set of these but i'm not exactly sure which ones i should buy. i'm interested on how they perform for powerslides, lipslides on ledges/curbs and hill-bombing. i mainly skate street. not much of a park rat.

are the 101s too slick? should i go with the 99s/classic shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on September 06, 2013, 05:39:21 PM
I'm definitely liking the formula fours, they do slide slightly different (in a good way) from the last wheels I've had. For the past 2 years or so I've only had mini logo wheels. Right off the bat the mini logos are fine, but the difference with the spitfire is pretty nice. I waxed up the ledge at my park and tried some long front boards and the slide was very consistent and i wouldn't kind lose my balance as much as I normally would. I've only skated them twice, but I'm looking forward to seeing how long they last. Mini logo wheels would usually last me about 2 months before they got soft and slow. I guess time will tell how well these hold up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 07, 2013, 12:41:52 AM
i'm going to get me a set of these but i'm not exactly sure which ones i should buy. i'm interested on how they perform for powerslides, lipslides on ledges/curbs and hill-bombing. i mainly skate street. not much of a park rat.

are the 101s too slick? should i go with the 99s/classic shape?

Curbs, Powerslides and Hills is pretty much a day of skating for me, and the 99s held up well, they have the classic feel, but with a little more resistance i guess, 101s might be a little too slippery.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: theblandest on September 07, 2013, 01:23:34 PM
Despite the mostly positive things mentioned in this thread and elsewhere, I have yet to sell many F4s at the shop surprisingly.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on September 07, 2013, 07:03:25 PM
Despite the mostly positive things mentioned in this thread and elsewhere, I have yet to sell many F4s at the shop surprisingly.
Well, like any good shop owner/employee to move product you need to back it. Meaning try them out, give endorsements,run promotions, help advertise whatever it is and make sure to always give positive re enforcement.
Otherwise the product gets lost in the case. Without you showing people that a superior quality product(whatever it might be)is available then of course only a few will search them out.
Jus sayin.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: NowhereInLife on September 10, 2013, 07:33:31 PM
These wheels seem to do well resisting the asphalt black plague that coats your wheels if you spend anytime in the NYC streets.  Maybe it's just because they have no tread but I don't think so. This alone puts them in a class by themselves to me, like spitfire really figured something out.  I tried stf's for the first time early in the summer and after finding the v2 shape, thought they would be my new go to wheel (not too plastic at all, which is why I avoided them for years.)

I'm on the classic 99's. But have the tablet 101's coming. I have a feeling those and the v2's will be at war for preferred status.

The no black plague thing is big, and the urethane does seem to be new level...But I'm not gonna front on stf's, the quality of which I've been marveling at all summer. 

It's a good time for wheels. haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rlang on September 11, 2013, 09:24:54 AM
Just put on some 54 101 Classics the other day. They're not slick at all.  Good grip but slide too.  I'd been using the new 100 Street Burners since they came out, and these feel similar, but I definitely like them more,...so far. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: theblandest on September 12, 2013, 11:42:27 AM
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Despite the mostly positive things mentioned in this thread and elsewhere, I have yet to sell many F4s at the shop surprisingly.
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Well, like any good shop owner/employee to move product you need to back it. Meaning try them out, give endorsements,run promotions, help advertise whatever it is and make sure to always give positive re enforcement.
Otherwise the product gets lost in the case. Without you showing people that a superior quality product(whatever it might be)is available then of course only a few will search them out.
Jus sayin.

It's not like I don't try to sell them. We advertise them plenty and we relay everything about their superiority. In fact, I've never said anything about them negatively. It's just a thing right now I guess. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on September 12, 2013, 12:21:50 PM
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Despite the mostly positive things mentioned in this thread and elsewhere, I have yet to sell many F4s at the shop surprisingly.
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Well, like any good shop owner/employee to move product you need to back it. Meaning try them out, give endorsements,run promotions, help advertise whatever it is and make sure to always give positive re enforcement.
Otherwise the product gets lost in the case. Without you showing people that a superior quality product(whatever it might be)is available then of course only a few will search them out.
Jus sayin.
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It's not like I don't try to sell them. We advertise them plenty and we relay everything about their superiority. In fact, I've never said anything about them negatively. It's just a thing right now I guess. 
I'd guess that it's because kids don't like the color or the slightly higher price, because they don't think in the long term.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on September 12, 2013, 12:52:58 PM
I think kids do not give a fuck on any improvement in skateboarding wheel technologies. Since they don't have necessarily a lot of money they will get the cheapest models made by spitfire or bones, maybe pigs or ricta if they are into their marketing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: theblandest on September 12, 2013, 04:22:50 PM
I think kids do not give a fuck on any improvement in skateboarding wheel technologies. Since they don't have necessarily a lot of money they will get the cheapest models made by spitfire or bones, maybe pigs or ricta if they are into their marketing.


that's usually what I tell them. If they get a cheaper wheel, there's a chance that they'll flat spot in a week and then they're going to wish they spent that extra 7$ on the F4s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on September 13, 2013, 01:55:48 AM
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I think kids do not give a fuck on any improvement in skateboarding wheel technologies. Since they don't have necessarily a lot of money they will get the cheapest models made by spitfire or bones, maybe pigs or ricta if they are into their marketing.

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that's usually what I tell them. If they get a cheaper wheel, there's a chance that they'll flat spot in a week and then they're going to wish they spent that extra 7$ on the F4s
Do you guys really flatspot wheels in one week? And even if you flatspot, doesn't it disappear after a couple of sessions?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: layzieyez on September 13, 2013, 09:27:14 AM
I have flatspotted wheels first day.  If I flatspot wheels, I just let them go depending on how much I liked them before it happened.  If I didn't like them much, I'll pass it on to the first kid with crusty wheels and the patience to try and fix the flat.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gaunting on September 15, 2013, 12:21:45 AM
I can't say I've ever actually flat spotted wheels, definitely never had the helicopter sound like some people get.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Will Easley on September 15, 2013, 12:52:41 AM
Have been riding a set of the 52mm, 101a Tablet shaped ones for about a week now and they're pretty cool although I kinda wish I had paid more attention to the hardness when I bought them. the tablet shape is pretty much perfectly flat on the sides so you lock into grinds very well, which is nice, but since im out here in AZ where the ground isnt super shitty like in Illinois i feel like ive been sliding around a lot more than id like. especially at these smooth ass parks where ill do a trick down a set, land 99% perfect then slide out horizontally before riding away. shit also gets really scary if I come out of a fast, long grind kinda sketchy cuz i definitely slip out like fucking crazy at those speeds. overall they're pretty good "premium" wheels i guess.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on September 16, 2013, 10:24:41 AM
been skating some Bones V2 shape squarish shaped wheels over the years, so decided to try out the F4 Tablets...

havent set them up yet, but here's a visual comparison of a Bones STF 54mm V2 an old pair of squarish wheels to a Spit F4 101a 53mm Tablet

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/spit1_zps8f3053ad.jpg)

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/spit2_zps6f71b8e7.jpeg)

Any wheel advice herein was not intended or written by the author to be used, and it cannot be used by any recipient, for the purpose of avoiding any wheel size, shape, and/or color penalties that may be imposed on any person.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: wallieD on September 16, 2013, 10:42:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqEjW3jFGFE
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on September 16, 2013, 02:19:45 PM
been skating the Bones V2 shape over the years, so decided to try out the F4 Tablets...

havent set them up yet, but here's a visual comparison of a Bones STF 54mm V2 to a Spit F4 101a 53mm Tablet

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/spit1_zps8f3053ad.jpg)

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/spit2_zps6f71b8e7.jpeg)

Sorry bro, that's not a Bones V2 wheel. That's the Rat Bones II shape, the same as all the SPF bowl wheels. They come in 54x31, 56x32, 58x33 and 60x43...you have the 54 SPF's in that shape. They do also make this shape in STF, but only on the Skatopia wheel.
The Bones V2 is thinner width wise, and is completely flat on both sides, no cut in for weight like on your wheels, and less round on the lip. They look just like those Spitfire tablets. Sorry dude, whoever told you they that you had V2's was confused.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on September 16, 2013, 02:30:11 PM
^^ oh no bro! this is just like the time I thought my trucks weighed 42.453 grams and not 43.476 grams. 
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/6c2359a914e19b4b3bf60adbd17c7341/tumblr_mndh2iGC5C1sp9fcho1_500.gif)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on September 16, 2013, 02:54:54 PM
^^ oh no bro! this is just like the time I thought my trucks weighed 42.453 grams and not 43.476 grams. 
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/6c2359a914e19b4b3bf60adbd17c7341/tumblr_mndh2iGC5C1sp9fcho1_500.gif)



Hey, was just letting you know so you didn't judge the difference between 2 completely different shaped wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Probably A Robot on September 16, 2013, 02:59:26 PM
That's the Rat Bones II shape, the same as all the SPF bowl wheels. They do also make this shape in STF, but only on the Skatopia wheel.
Or these

(http://cdn.bones.com/assets/boneswheels/productimage/size/450x450/method/padding/WSCATPT5603W4.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on September 16, 2013, 03:07:13 PM
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^^ oh no bro! this is just like the time I thought my trucks weighed 42.453 grams and not 43.476 grams.? 
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/6c2359a914e19b4b3bf60adbd17c7341/tumblr_mndh2iGC5C1sp9fcho1_500.gif)


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Hey, was just letting you know so you didn't judge the difference between 2 completely different shaped wheels.


yeah, i know.
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000819831/polls_apples_oranges_3217_631564_poll_xlarge.jpeg)

it's just the use of the term "bro" makes me reflect on bad past experiences
Point Break - Fight Scene (Ca?adores de Emo??o) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJEp8vk3_9c#)

was just going to bring up the B.A.K.U. wheels.  I had/have a couple sets of those...

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on September 16, 2013, 04:19:04 PM
What's the longest anyone on here has skated a set of these? I'm going on two and a half months and they still skate like they're brand new (in a good way)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ice nine on September 16, 2013, 05:04:22 PM
had mine for just under 18 months, still in mint condition
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on September 16, 2013, 06:21:06 PM
I rode a set fpr 2 months and passed them to a friend who is still skating them.
He said they never flatted and refuses to give them up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on September 19, 2013, 02:13:32 PM
just set up the 55 fulls and did a few powerslides and the feel is awesome! mad control, cant wait for them to wear down a bit tho cus 55 is kinda big. have any of ur guys' shrunk down or do they really stay the same throughout...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on September 19, 2013, 02:45:19 PM
set up the 53mm 101a tablets and skated the local park a bit.  at first blush, all that has been said is true...slide when you want, grip when you want.  don't feel a ton different than the 101a PFCs I've had in the past, other than the sliding is a little more "on demand."  i do like the "feel" of them more than Bones... but lets see how they do with time (which based on everyones' comments so far, will be good). 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on September 23, 2013, 06:39:00 PM
these wheels are fucking great, same spitfire feel with an even more controlled slide. someone should let me know some details on the shrinkage tho
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on September 23, 2013, 06:44:43 PM
these wheels are fucking great, same spitfire feel with an even more controlled slide. someone should let me know some details on the shrinkage tho
Just checked mine out right now, they started off as 53mm, and two and a half months later they're just barely smaller than a set of new 52s I had laying around.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 23, 2013, 07:04:00 PM
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these wheels are fucking great, same spitfire feel with an even more controlled slide. someone should let me know some details on the shrinkage tho
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Just checked mine out right now, they started off as 53mm, and two and a half months later they're just barely smaller than a set of new 52s I had laying around.

I got mine as 53's. About a month into skating they had shrunken down to the size of 51's (I dont have a car so I skate everywhere, and the ground here can be pretty rough sometimes, so them shrinking down fast was kind of expected), but then after that they've pretty much stayed in that 51 size range ever since. It's been almost three months of having them now, I still skate everywhere on the rough grounds, but they're still the same size, around 51mm. Pretty weird, it's almost like after they reached a certain point of shrinking they just stopped shrinking, I can dig it though.
So far they're still great wheels. Only complaint is that on two of the wheels there are teeny chunks missing on the sides, but other than that I got no real complaints, they're still treating me well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tuna on September 24, 2013, 12:14:25 AM
I thought i had flatspotted mine today, but upon closer inspection it was just some asshole kid's gum he had spit on the ground at the skatepark.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on September 24, 2013, 11:57:38 AM
tight so 55 was a good choice. hopefully they just hit 53 and stay there so ill never have to buy wheels haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on September 24, 2013, 10:23:43 PM
had high expectations due to all the hype here. they are even better than that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: one80 on September 24, 2013, 11:30:20 PM
just bought a pair of the 52s. skated nothin' but bones STFs for the past 6 years, stoked to try em out tomorrow!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on September 25, 2013, 06:59:50 AM
had high expectations due to all the hype here. they are even better than that.

forreal, im usually a skeptic for "tech" shit, but the f4 is definitely my wheel of choice from now on
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: heritage on September 28, 2013, 08:43:44 PM
Just bought a set of 53/99 in classic shape, but I just can't quit my Autobahn ABX.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rlang on September 29, 2013, 06:44:00 AM
skated my 54mm 101 classics in a Masonite bowl yesterday and was a little nervous...they actually gripped pretty well.  Good work spitfire!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on September 29, 2013, 12:47:26 PM
I flatspotted mine bombing a hill just doing a couple of quick slides, bummer, the early team edition ones i got last summer lasted me forever! oh, I mean four-ever
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on October 01, 2013, 08:25:49 PM
Just took mine off after skating them for 3 months, my only complaint is how shitty they look after this long. Overall though they were the best wheel I've ever skated. These weren't the final for sale version so maybe the appearance is better in the final version.
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b615/sweatstainsslap/Snapbucket/39BD0122_zpsfa7a61bd.jpg?t=1380683991)
By the way these wheels started at 53 and the new wheels I put on are 52 so that gives you a little size comparison.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on October 01, 2013, 09:06:53 PM
Just to clarify, you're complaining about how shitty your wheels look after skating them for 3 months?
And how should wheels look after being skated for that long?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 02, 2013, 08:18:32 AM
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been skating the Bones V2 shape over the years, so decided to try out the F4 Tablets...

havent set them up yet, but here's a visual comparison of a Bones STF 54mm V2 to a Spit F4 101a 53mm Tablet

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/spit1_zps8f3053ad.jpg)

(http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag108/arthellman1/spit2_zps6f71b8e7.jpeg)
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Sorry bro, that's not a Bones V2 wheel. That's the Rat Bones II shape, the same as all the SPF bowl wheels. They come in 54x31, 56x32, 58x33 and 60x43...you have the 54 SPF's in that shape. They do also make this shape in STF, but only on the Skatopia wheel.
The Bones V2 is thinner width wise, and is completely flat on both sides, no cut in for weight like on your wheels, and less round on the lip. They look just like those Spitfire tablets. Sorry dude, whoever told you they that you had V2's was confused.

do you work for powell?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on October 02, 2013, 09:03:14 AM
you don't need to work for powell to see that's not a v2 shape. all the sizing info is on their website.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on October 02, 2013, 09:55:26 AM
Just to clarify, you're complaining about how shitty your wheels look after skating them for 3 months?
And how should wheels look after being skated for that long?
I'm just saying that that's the only thing wrong with the wheel. Didn't expect it to look good by this time, I'm just pointing it out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Slappy_Happy on October 02, 2013, 03:35:52 PM
I love mine so much.  I have the 53mm 99d full shape.  They slide really easily but they aren't slippery.  I bust hella power slides cause my area is full of hills.  No flatspots, haven't gotten smaller yet.  They are much lighter and slimmer than my SFW.  Im sticking with these for sure.  I already loved spitfire.  These wheels just seal the deal though
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Young Satchel on October 02, 2013, 04:54:03 PM
Still tryna hold out for that next batch of PFCs...it's getting hard though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pinche gringo on October 02, 2013, 06:25:15 PM
I bought some 53mm 99duro classic shape earlier. I'm excited to check them out. I'll update later in the thread.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on October 02, 2013, 10:29:24 PM
Still tryna hold out for that next batch of PFCs...it's getting hard though.
just give it up homie, F4s are better. if PFC ever puts some new shit out and your strapped for cash then you can pick some up. but i can honestly say im pretty sure you wont be disappointed in F4s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pinche gringo on October 02, 2013, 11:00:41 PM
I skated a curb spot with rough asphalt ground for an hour or so earlier. At first glance, they slide really well and it's a really controllable slide - I went out of my way to do more powerslides than normal. I swear by 'classics' and have rarely had problems with flat spots. I'll have to try the F4's on a smooth concrete surface tomorrow to see if they 'grip' differently. 
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Post by: The Drew on October 03, 2013, 05:48:12 AM
i flat spotted mine last weekend... i thought the flat spot mended itself but today i noticed its still there... i still think they are better than bones though
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Post by: pinche gringo on October 09, 2013, 05:20:48 PM
It was dry today so a friend and I went to an outdoor park. I remember it being really slick. I thought the wheels gripped really well and slid when necessary. I like them so far.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on October 09, 2013, 06:23:06 PM
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b615/sweatstainsslap/Snapbucket/88FB67E3_zps7bb31e64.jpg?t=1381367926)
Stoked on these. Set up some Streetburners before I put these on, skated them for a day and they felt so bad in comparison that I had to set these up. I prefer the 101 F4s that I had before this though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on October 11, 2013, 12:44:43 AM
The 99's are great on indoor parks and the 101's are really nice on street.

The F4 99's are one of the best indoor ramp and bowl type grippy wheels I've ridden, while not being too grippy, but not slick at all.
I've ridden em all on the indoor ramps and bowls and I really think the F4 99's hit the nail on the head for a great indoor wheel.

The 101's were too slick for a dusty bowl. They need to broken in more on street first then I'll try again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Young Satchel on October 12, 2013, 06:00:09 AM
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just give it up homie, F4s are better. if PFC ever puts some new shit out and your strapped for cash then you can pick some up. but i can honestly say im pretty sure you wont be disappointed in F4s.

Responded to this with a post on my phone but it wouldnt let me submit it.  Suffice to say I imagine that the F4s probably are a bit better, but I enjoy supporting smaller companies whose ideals and direction appeal to me and are inline with my own.  I'm sure I'll get some F4s down the line (skating some old-ass Classics now) but my next set gonna be PFCs.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on October 12, 2013, 06:57:05 AM
I rode a friend's board with bones on it yesterday just for a few minutes and all I have to say is that it felt awful
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Retox on October 12, 2013, 12:14:55 PM
53 99a full formula fours are seriously the best wheel out there and worth every penny.  They ride great on shitty east coast terrain.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Niko Katavainen on October 12, 2013, 01:10:21 PM
I love mine so much.  I have the 53mm 99d full shape.  They slide really easily but they aren't slippery.  I bust hella power slides cause my area is full of hills.  No flatspots, haven't gotten smaller yet.  They are much lighter and slimmer than my SFW .  Im sticking with these for sure.  I already loved spitfire.  These wheels just seal the deal though

If you want a slim wheel why would you buy SFWs in the first place?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on October 17, 2013, 11:22:20 AM
My knee has been hurt for almost a month now, so I'm estimating i've skating my 4's for around 15 hours. Today I noticed that they are starting to feel a little soft and slow (with super reds). I pulled out my other setup which has STF's (with mini logo bearings) that I only skated for about 2 or 3 hours, they felt harder and faster. So for whatever it's worth, after about 6-7 sessions with Formula fours they are starting to feel worn down. I normally skate the same wheels for a couple months.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SK8houses on October 17, 2013, 11:33:07 AM
were the supereds brand new? iv been skating my 99d f4s for over a month on all skate able surfaces, they feel the same as the fist day i got them......hope that knee heals up well!
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Post by: johnes on October 17, 2013, 12:36:16 PM
Thanks, yeah the super reds were new ((minilogos are actually a few months older), mine are the 101d. If i just spin the wheels with the board in my hand they spin fast and long, so i def think it's the wheels and not the bearings.
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Post by: MostlyLurkin' on October 19, 2013, 03:00:01 PM
Thanks, yeah the super reds were new ((minilogos are actually a few months older), mine are the 101d. If i just spin the wheels with the board in my hand they spin fast and long, so i def think it's the wheels and not the bearings.

Yeah, it's the wheels. For sure.  ::)
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Post by: Morty Seinfeld on October 19, 2013, 03:21:20 PM
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Thanks, yeah the super reds were new ((minilogos are actually a few months older), mine are the 101d. If i just spin the wheels with the board in my hand they spin fast and long, so i def think it's the wheels and not the bearings.
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Yeah, it's the wheels. For sure.  ::)

hahahaha damn b
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on October 20, 2013, 12:18:02 PM
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Thanks, yeah the super reds were new ((minilogos are actually a few months older), mine are the 101d. If i just spin the wheels with the board in my hand they spin fast and long, so i def think it's the wheels and not the bearings.
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Yeah, it's the wheels. For sure.  ::)
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hahahaha damn b

Somebody needs to lay off the hostess cupcakes
(sorry, I had to).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thepman on October 20, 2013, 01:06:00 PM
Ordered the 101 53mm for my birthday, can't wait to try them out. Had a pair of STFs for over a year and a half, and while they're still in decent condition I have to try these.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Carrolls Chesthairs on October 20, 2013, 05:56:32 PM
(http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b615/sweatstainsslap/Snapbucket/88FB67E3_zps7bb31e64.jpg?t=1381367926)
Stoked on these. Set up some Streetburners before I put these on, skated them for a day and they felt so bad in comparison that I had to set these up. I prefer the 101 F4s that I had before this though.
how are your rollerblades holding up?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hamish on October 20, 2013, 06:21:11 PM
Finally got around to grabbing a set, so stoked on them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 20, 2013, 07:04:07 PM
I am currently riding the 53mm classic shaped F4s for about 3 weeks now. Pretty solid wheel so far. All the good points have been covered already on how great the feel and slide. so far i have no complaints. i was riding the spitfire f1's for the past year which were a 101a and since the F4's are a 99 i can feel a difference. I wanna try the 101's next..

any one here made the switch from 101 F1's to the 101 formula fours? how does it feel?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kinch on October 21, 2013, 10:00:16 AM
I really want a set of 53-54mm 101 tablets but for some reason they just aren't available in the UK at all. I'm rolling on coned, flatspotted, worn-ass f1s at the moment and my resolve to not just buy some bones as I can actually get them is weakening more and more every time I skate. :(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: soccer mom on October 22, 2013, 08:31:45 PM
I've said it before, but these are the best wheels out if you think differently you probably just got an unlucky random bad set (if they exist) or you just want to have something negative to say. I can't recommend them enough. 2 thumbs up
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on October 23, 2013, 07:05:03 AM
get 'em while you can dlx is out 'til next week
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on October 23, 2013, 02:51:56 PM
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Still tryna hold out for that next batch of PFCs...it's getting hard though.
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just give it up homie, F4s are better. if PFC ever puts some new shit out and your strapped for cash then you can pick some up. but i can honestly say im pretty sure you wont be disappointed in F4s.
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Responded to this with a post on my phone but it wouldnt let me submit it.  Suffice to say I imagine that the F4s probably are a bit better, but I enjoy supporting smaller companies whose ideals and direction appeal to me and are inline with my own.  I'm sure I'll get some F4s down the line (skating some old-ass Classics now) but my next set gonna be PFCs.

You're already skating spitfires... People acting like DLX is Nike now?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thepman on October 23, 2013, 03:34:18 PM
I really want a set of 53-54mm 101 tablets but for some reason they just aren't available in the UK at all. I'm rolling on coned, flatspotted, worn-ass f1s at the moment and my resolve to not just buy some bones as I can actually get them is weakening more and more every time I skate. :(

I just ordered 53mm 101 from rollersnakes the other day...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on October 27, 2013, 08:41:17 PM
ight so i have the 99 full shape, and when i first got em they slid really well but after about a month or so they feel a lot softer and gripper and really dont slide that well in the streets at this point. do you think i should try the 101 classics next? do they feel more or less like streetburners? i want to be able to do long slides, but i hate that icy uncontrolled feeling..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kinch on October 29, 2013, 11:48:35 AM
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I really want a set of 53-54mm 101 tablets but for some reason they just aren't available in the UK at all. I'm rolling on coned, flatspotted, worn-ass f1s at the moment and my resolve to not just buy some bones as I can actually get them is weakening more and more every time I skate. :(
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I just ordered 53mm 101 from rollersnakes the other day...

Not tablet shape. I know I'm being picky but I'd much rather skate those as I loved the equivalent STF shape but much prefer the feel of Spitfire urethane. Shiner don't seem to have the tablets yet and they're pretty much the only way the UK gets DLX shit as far as I know. Also trying not to fuck with rollersnakes/r1 or any of that shit unless absolutely necessary.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on October 30, 2013, 12:45:48 PM
lol why are they pearl colored? someone at dlx is missing a chromosome
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kinch on November 01, 2013, 02:05:01 AM
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I really want a set of 53-54mm 101 tablets but for some reason they just aren't available in the UK at all. I'm rolling on coned, flatspotted, worn-ass f1s at the moment and my resolve to not just buy some bones as I can actually get them is weakening more and more every time I skate. :(
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I just ordered 53mm 101 from rollersnakes the other day...
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Not tablet shape. I know I'm being picky but I'd much rather skate those as I loved the equivalent STF shape but much prefer the feel of Spitfire urethane. Shiner don't seem to have the tablets yet and they're pretty much the only way the UK gets DLX shit as far as I know. Also trying not to fuck with rollersnakes/r1 or any of that shit unless absolutely necessary.


Following my earlier post Christian from DLX got in touch and is hooking it up. Huge thanks to Christian and DLX for this. It's been said a million times on SLAP already but you guys are the best at taking care of your customers and it really is appreciated.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on November 01, 2013, 08:48:17 AM
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I really want a set of 53-54mm 101 tablets but for some reason they just aren't available in the UK at all. I'm rolling on coned, flatspotted, worn-ass f1s at the moment and my resolve to not just buy some bones as I can actually get them is weakening more and more every time I skate. :(
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I just ordered 53mm 101 from rollersnakes the other day...
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Not tablet shape. I know I'm being picky but I'd much rather skate those as I loved the equivalent STF shape but much prefer the feel of Spitfire urethane. Shiner don't seem to have the tablets yet and they're pretty much the only way the UK gets DLX shit as far as I know. Also trying not to fuck with rollersnakes/r1 or any of that shit unless absolutely necessary.
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Following my earlier post Christian from DLX got in touch and is hooking it up. Huge thanks to Christian and DLX for this. It's been said a million times on SLAP already but you guys are the best at taking care of your customers and it really is appreciated.

He's good people. Hooked me up after I managed to flatspot the tablets, but he sent classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: White Owl on November 02, 2013, 11:44:29 PM
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I really want a set of 53-54mm 101 tablets but for some reason they just aren't available in the UK at all. I'm rolling on coned, flatspotted, worn-ass f1s at the moment and my resolve to not just buy some bones as I can actually get them is weakening more and more every time I skate. :(
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I just ordered 53mm 101 from rollersnakes the other day...
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Not tablet shape. I know I'm being picky but I'd much rather skate those as I loved the equivalent STF shape but much prefer the feel of Spitfire urethane. Shiner don't seem to have the tablets yet and they're pretty much the only way the UK gets DLX shit as far as I know. Also trying not to fuck with rollersnakes/r1 or any of that shit unless absolutely necessary.
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Following my earlier post Christian from DLX got in touch and is hooking it up. Huge thanks to Christian and DLX for this. It's been said a million times on SLAP already but you guys are the best at taking care of your customers and it really is appreciated.
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He's good people. Hooked me up after I managed to flatspot the tablets, but he sent classics

they actually will send you wheels if you flat spot them? thats sick. my f4s have a had a couple minor ones but one hill and they are gone
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on November 03, 2013, 12:39:28 AM
Just got these!!! Legit. Any colored F-4's coming out in the future?

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5466/9490556605_73456d6f71.jpg)
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Post by: Life Fast Johnny on November 03, 2013, 05:24:42 AM
Just got these!!! Legit. Any colored F-4's coming out in the future?

Some of their pros are rolling on green ones in some IG photos out there.
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Post by: JBones on November 03, 2013, 02:41:53 PM
Just got these!!! Legit. Any colored F-4's coming out in the future?

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5466/9490556605_73456d6f71.jpg)

Dye them w/ Rit dye, get creative.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gaunting on November 03, 2013, 06:13:43 PM
I rode a friend's board with bones on it yesterday just for a few minutes and all I have to say is that it felt awful

Yea, I cannot get down with those wheels, killer bushings, but there wheels are not my thing, I couldn't imagine skating bones wheels at a smooth concrete park.
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Post by: Anotherwon on November 05, 2013, 02:34:04 PM
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Just got these!!! Legit. Any colored F-4's coming out in the future?
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Some of their pros are rolling on green ones in some IG photos out there.
Green ones have been available for the testing public also for a couple of years... To me, they're officially the best feeling F4s and feel different from the one's I purchased from the shop.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on November 09, 2013, 11:24:19 PM
How long a lifespan are you guys getting out of these, ive had them on for a couple months
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Post by: Morty Seinfeld on November 10, 2013, 07:37:02 PM
How long a lifespan are you guys getting out of these, ive had them on for a couple months

I've had mine for three months. started as 99A 53's, they haven't gotten much smaller. I skate parks most days, but they're holding up very well. Honestly I like them better than PFC's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dr Steve Brule on November 10, 2013, 07:38:43 PM
Anybody tried dying these yet?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on November 10, 2013, 08:55:37 PM
so i got some 101 oj's coming off of some f4 fulls and i miss the spits already, its just full shape turned out being a bit too grippy in the streets once they got soft. the OJ's are better but I could still use a little more slide. Do you think I should opt for the 101 f4's next or was the grippiness of the 99's just due to the wider riding surface? anyone skate both duros and wanna lemme know wasup?
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Post by: escapistfool on November 10, 2013, 09:36:31 PM
so i got some 101 oj's coming off of some f4 fulls and i miss the spits already, its just full shape turned out being a bit too grippy in the streets once they got soft. the OJ's are better but I could still use a little more slide. Do you think I should opt for the 101 f4's next or was the grippiness of the 99's just due to the wider riding surface? anyone skate both duros and wanna lemme know wasup?

Here's the thing with the F4's. (in my own personal experience)

I've been riding F4's for about a year and a few months in, it started with the green ones (and some blueish ones) that Damon sent me. Those were THE BEST F4's I've ridden. It seemed too perfect. I dont want to rely on the Slap cliche but I do skate hills as much as I can.

Now, the ones they released for the public are the ones everyone is riding. Right now I have the blue ones (99 duro) and those are great. I've had the 101 duro and those were also prime. The difference that I felt with the 101's is that they felt close to F1's. I still heard that signature Spitfire screech the wheels make when you powerslide and they did flatspot (albeit VERY TINY which went away after skating two hours straight). The 99 duros that I have right now are the grippiest (a bit "gummy" if that makes sense) wheels I've had. I powerslide in these and they have not flatspotted at all. But I do get a bit annoyed sometimes of the gumminess of the wheel especially when I'm skating ledges; they seem to stick to the ledge more than the 101 Duro F4's. All in all, both wheels are the best wheels in the market right now (i'm not knocking down Bones, they make great wheels as well but that plastic feel is the reason why I gave up on them) and Spitfire deserves the amount of praise they've been getting lately because of the F4's.
Just consider the type of skating you do, whether parks, street, whatever, and pick whichever wheel would go best with you. I skate street more often than parks so the next wheels I'm going to skate (and for a long while) would be the 101A Duros. Just try 'em out.
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Post by: art hellman on November 11, 2013, 12:29:21 PM
if anyone wants to trade some new 99a (53-55mm) for some brand new 101a 53mm Tablets...let me know

http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=74254.msg2029453#msg2029453 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=74254.msg2029453#msg2029453)

looking to go a little grippier for the winter on indoor ramps
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on November 11, 2013, 08:53:03 PM
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so i got some 101 oj's coming off of some f4 fulls and i miss the spits already, its just full shape turned out being a bit too grippy in the streets once they got soft. the OJ's are better but I could still use a little more slide. Do you think I should opt for the 101 f4's next or was the grippiness of the 99's just due to the wider riding surface? anyone skate both duros and wanna lemme know wasup?
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Here's the thing with the F4's. (in my own personal experience)

I've been riding F4's for about a year and a few months in, it started with the green ones (and some blueish ones) that Damon sent me. Those were THE BEST F4's I've ridden. It seemed too perfect. I dont want to rely on the Slap cliche but I do skate hills as much as I can.

Now, the ones they released for the public are the ones everyone is riding. Right now I have the blue ones (99 duro) and those are great. I've had the 101 duro and those were also prime. The difference that I felt with the 101's is that they felt close to F1's. I still heard that signature Spitfire screech the wheels make when you powerslide and they did flatspot (albeit VERY TINY which went away after skating two hours straight). The 99 duros that I have right now are the grippiest (a bit "gummy" if that makes sense) wheels I've had. I powerslide in these and they have not flatspotted at all. But I do get a bit annoyed sometimes of the gumminess of the wheel especially when I'm skating ledges; they seem to stick to the ledge more than the 101 Duro F4's. All in all, both wheels are the best wheels in the market right now (i'm not knocking down Bones, they make great wheels as well but that plastic feel is the reason why I gave up on them) and Spitfire deserves the amount of praise they've been getting lately because of the F4's.
Just consider the type of skating you do, whether parks, street, whatever, and pick whichever wheel would go best with you. I skate street more often than parks so the next wheels I'm going to skate (and for a long while) would be the 101A Duros. Just try 'em out.

wow son good looks! made the choice really easy. once these oj's are dead im definitely gonna cop some 101's since i rlly liked streetburners too
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Post by: escapistfool on November 11, 2013, 09:35:56 PM
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so i got some 101 oj's coming off of some f4 fulls and i miss the spits already, its just full shape turned out being a bit too grippy in the streets once they got soft. the OJ's are better but I could still use a little more slide. Do you think I should opt for the 101 f4's next or was the grippiness of the 99's just due to the wider riding surface? anyone skate both duros and wanna lemme know wasup?
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Here's the thing with the F4's. (in my own personal experience)

I've been riding F4's for about a year and a few months in, it started with the green ones (and some blueish ones) that Damon sent me. Those were THE BEST F4's I've ridden. It seemed too perfect. I dont want to rely on the Slap cliche but I do skate hills as much as I can.

Now, the ones they released for the public are the ones everyone is riding. Right now I have the blue ones (99 duro) and those are great. I've had the 101 duro and those were also prime. The difference that I felt with the 101's is that they felt close to F1's. I still heard that signature Spitfire screech the wheels make when you powerslide and they did flatspot (albeit VERY TINY which went away after skating two hours straight). The 99 duros that I have right now are the grippiest (a bit "gummy" if that makes sense) wheels I've had. I powerslide in these and they have not flatspotted at all. But I do get a bit annoyed sometimes of the gumminess of the wheel especially when I'm skating ledges; they seem to stick to the ledge more than the 101 Duro F4's. All in all, both wheels are the best wheels in the market right now (i'm not knocking down Bones, they make great wheels as well but that plastic feel is the reason why I gave up on them) and Spitfire deserves the amount of praise they've been getting lately because of the F4's.
Just consider the type of skating you do, whether parks, street, whatever, and pick whichever wheel would go best with you. I skate street more often than parks so the next wheels I'm going to skate (and for a long while) would be the 101A Duros. Just try 'em out.
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wow son good looks! made the choice really easy. once these oj's are dead im definitely gonna cop some 101's since i rlly liked streetburners too

no problem dad, anything for you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tom on November 12, 2013, 08:18:31 AM
Does anyone know if they make the 99 in a size bigger than 58?
It's the indoor park time of year so it's rightfully vert season. I know a couple of millimeters don't make that much of a difference, but the taller the wheel size the wider the riding surface with their full shape wheels. I also don't want Bones because I've always been a spitfire kind of person
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on November 12, 2013, 11:40:23 AM
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so i got some 101 oj's coming off of some f4 fulls and i miss the spits already, its just full shape turned out being a bit too grippy in the streets once they got soft. the OJ's are better but I could still use a little more slide. Do you think I should opt for the 101 f4's next or was the grippiness of the 99's just due to the wider riding surface? anyone skate both duros and wanna lemme know wasup?
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Here's the thing with the F4's. (in my own personal experience)

I've been riding F4's for about a year and a few months in, it started with the green ones (and some blueish ones) that Damon sent me. Those were THE BEST F4's I've ridden. It seemed too perfect. I dont want to rely on the Slap cliche but I do skate hills as much as I can.

Now, the ones they released for the public are the ones everyone is riding. Right now I have the blue ones (99 duro) and those are great. I've had the 101 duro and those were also prime. The difference that I felt with the 101's is that they felt close to F1's. I still heard that signature Spitfire screech the wheels make when you powerslide and they did flatspot (albeit VERY TINY which went away after skating two hours straight). The 99 duros that I have right now are the grippiest (a bit "gummy" if that makes sense) wheels I've had. I powerslide in these and they have not flatspotted at all. But I do get a bit annoyed sometimes of the gumminess of the wheel especially when I'm skating ledges; they seem to stick to the ledge more than the 101 Duro F4's. All in all, both wheels are the best wheels in the market right now (i'm not knocking down Bones, they make great wheels as well but that plastic feel is the reason why I gave up on them) and Spitfire deserves the amount of praise they've been getting lately because of the F4's.
Just consider the type of skating you do, whether parks, street, whatever, and pick whichever wheel would go best with you. I skate street more often than parks so the next wheels I'm going to skate (and for a long while) would be the 101A Duros. Just try 'em out.
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wow son good looks! made the choice really easy. once these oj's are dead im definitely gonna cop some 101's since i rlly liked streetburners too
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no problem dad, anything for you

lol, not tryna be that dude, but did you find the 101's were at least somewhat grippy? im not tryna be spinnin out doughnuts on transitions and shit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: escapistfool on November 12, 2013, 12:40:59 PM
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so i got some 101 oj's coming off of some f4 fulls and i miss the spits already, its just full shape turned out being a bit too grippy in the streets once they got soft. the OJ's are better but I could still use a little more slide. Do you think I should opt for the 101 f4's next or was the grippiness of the 99's just due to the wider riding surface? anyone skate both duros and wanna lemme know wasup?
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Here's the thing with the F4's. (in my own personal experience)

I've been riding F4's for about a year and a few months in, it started with the green ones (and some blueish ones) that Damon sent me. Those were THE BEST F4's I've ridden. It seemed too perfect. I dont want to rely on the Slap cliche but I do skate hills as much as I can.

Now, the ones they released for the public are the ones everyone is riding. Right now I have the blue ones (99 duro) and those are great. I've had the 101 duro and those were also prime. The difference that I felt with the 101's is that they felt close to F1's. I still heard that signature Spitfire screech the wheels make when you powerslide and they did flatspot (albeit VERY TINY which went away after skating two hours straight). The 99 duros that I have right now are the grippiest (a bit "gummy" if that makes sense) wheels I've had. I powerslide in these and they have not flatspotted at all. But I do get a bit annoyed sometimes of the gumminess of the wheel especially when I'm skating ledges; they seem to stick to the ledge more than the 101 Duro F4's. All in all, both wheels are the best wheels in the market right now (i'm not knocking down Bones, they make great wheels as well but that plastic feel is the reason why I gave up on them) and Spitfire deserves the amount of praise they've been getting lately because of the F4's.
Just consider the type of skating you do, whether parks, street, whatever, and pick whichever wheel would go best with you. I skate street more often than parks so the next wheels I'm going to skate (and for a long while) would be the 101A Duros. Just try 'em out.
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wow son good looks! made the choice really easy. once these oj's are dead im definitely gonna cop some 101's since i rlly liked streetburners too
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no problem dad, anything for you
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lol, not tryna be that dude, but did you find the 101's were at least somewhat grippy? im not tryna be spinnin out doughnuts on transitions and shit

The 99's are grippier if that gives you an idea
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dask8d00d on November 12, 2013, 02:32:30 PM
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so i got some 101 oj's coming off of some f4 fulls and i miss the spits already, its just full shape turned out being a bit too grippy in the streets once they got soft. the OJ's are better but I could still use a little more slide. Do you think I should opt for the 101 f4's next or was the grippiness of the 99's just due to the wider riding surface? anyone skate both duros and wanna lemme know wasup?
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Here's the thing with the F4's. (in my own personal experience)

I've been riding F4's for about a year and a few months in, it started with the green ones (and some blueish ones) that Damon sent me. Those were THE BEST F4's I've ridden. It seemed too perfect. I dont want to rely on the Slap cliche but I do skate hills as much as I can.

Now, the ones they released for the public are the ones everyone is riding. Right now I have the blue ones (99 duro) and those are great. I've had the 101 duro and those were also prime. The difference that I felt with the 101's is that they felt close to F1's. I still heard that signature Spitfire screech the wheels make when you powerslide and they did flatspot (albeit VERY TINY which went away after skating two hours straight). The 99 duros that I have right now are the grippiest (a bit "gummy" if that makes sense) wheels I've had. I powerslide in these and they have not flatspotted at all. But I do get a bit annoyed sometimes of the gumminess of the wheel especially when I'm skating ledges; they seem to stick to the ledge more than the 101 Duro F4's. All in all, both wheels are the best wheels in the market right now (i'm not knocking down Bones, they make great wheels as well but that plastic feel is the reason why I gave up on them) and Spitfire deserves the amount of praise they've been getting lately because of the F4's.
Just consider the type of skating you do, whether parks, street, whatever, and pick whichever wheel would go best with you. I skate street more often than parks so the next wheels I'm going to skate (and for a long while) would be the 101A Duros. Just try 'em out.
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wow son good looks! made the choice really easy. once these oj's are dead im definitely gonna cop some 101's since i rlly liked streetburners too
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no problem dad, anything for you
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lol, not tryna be that dude, but did you find the 101's were at least somewhat grippy? im not tryna be spinnin out doughnuts on transitions and shit

101's are slick as shit if you're skating parks or areas with smooth ground. I would literally jump down stairs and slide out sideways upon impact. i tried to skate mine for like a week or so but couldn't do it because i was slipping out with damn near everything. 99's work for me just fine tho. If still lived back in illinois i'd probably be riding the 101's cuz the ground is a lot rougher there, but theres no way id skate them out here on the west coast.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on November 12, 2013, 04:46:44 PM
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The 99's are grippier if that gives you an idea

i understand that, the 99s were pretty slick when i first got em but then went kinda soft after a while. the guminess was annoying. if the 101 is not much slicker than the streetburners I should be good. as long as theyre not like bones stf...
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101's are slick as shit if you're skating parks or areas with smooth ground. I would literally jump down stairs and slide out sideways upon impact. i tried to skate mine for like a week or so but couldn't do it because i was slipping out with damn near everything. 99's work for me just fine tho. If still lived back in illinois i'd probably be riding the 101's cuz the ground is a lot rougher there, but theres no way id skate them out here on the west coast.

yea i could see that, but im out here in miami where the ground aint the nicest, even these 101 ojs arent slidey enough for me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on November 12, 2013, 04:55:19 PM
Does anyone know if they make the 99 in a size bigger than 58?
It's the indoor park time of year so it's rightfully vert season. I know a couple of millimeters don't make that much of a difference, but the taller the wheel size the wider the riding surface with their full shape wheels. I also don't want Bones because I've always been a spitfire kind of person
Not yet Tom. Seems like expanding the shape/size choices is slow going until they can master producing them in larger numbers.
I am hoping they cut back on the 50-52 choices and add a few more 57-60 choices in different shapes. .
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dr Steve Brule on November 13, 2013, 02:22:32 PM
Don't try dying them orange.  It doesn't work
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tom on November 13, 2013, 02:58:19 PM
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Does anyone know if they make the 99 in a size bigger than 58?
It's the indoor park time of year so it's rightfully vert season. I know a couple of millimeters don't make that much of a difference, but the taller the wheel size the wider the riding surface with their full shape wheels. I also don't want Bones because I've always been a spitfire kind of person
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Not yet Tom. Seems like expanding the shape/size choices is slow going until they can master producing them in larger numbers.
I am hoping they cut back on the 50-52 choices and add a few more 57-60 choices in different shapes. .
i buckled down and had orchard order me the 58's and thunder 151's. now I just have to wait for them to come in. Still riding my 54's on my street setup. A little chunk came out of one of the wheels, but I also skate down really crappy New England roads on a daily basis. Besides that they're still going strong; pretty much the same shape, size, and color as the day I set them up. They also haven't gone soft on me. When I'd ride the street burners, especially the colored ones, they'd sometimes go soft after a few weeks and I could feel my speed decreasing over time. These are still going fast

The first time riding them I couldn't believe how they powerslid fast without shooting out, yet they grip the ground even when you land slightly sideways. I'm hoping out for some color choices in the future, because white wheels all the time are boring
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on November 13, 2013, 09:42:08 PM
IF ANYONE HAS 101 CLASSICS IN A 52-54 THEY WANNA SELL, PM ME!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on November 13, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
Anybody tried dying these yet?
jaime thomas spray-painted the outside part?
GET SET UP I JAMIE THOMAS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpeiXJoXeCw#)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tuna on November 14, 2013, 01:06:24 AM
I haven't technically flatspotted them but there is a chunk missing from one of my wheels that feels like a small flatspot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: wallieD on November 17, 2013, 03:07:38 AM
Don't try dying them orange.  It doesn't work
are they 101a or 99's? the times i've tried to rit dye wheels it only worked on the ones 99a and softer
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dr Steve Brule on November 17, 2013, 07:24:36 AM
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are they 101a or 99's? the times i've tried to rit dye wheels it only worked on the ones 99a and softer

These are the 99's.  Something about the formula 4's won't dye
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 17, 2013, 07:48:58 PM
I wanna see the results of the diy color dyes!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Life Fast Johnny on November 22, 2013, 05:45:10 PM
I have just about worn out my set of 51mm 101 Classics and thought I'd throw my results out there.  I live in TN and usually skate paved lots and side streets that are super crusty and hard on wheels.  For comparison purposes, I can usually wear through a set of regular Spitfire 99a Classics in a month.

Spitfire Formula Four 51mm 101a Classic Shape

PROS:
-Abrasion resistance.  Normally I will have huge tears and holes in the riding surface by now.  I have one tiny piece out in 2 months.
-Smooth Ride.   Especially considering the 101 durometer.
-Fast.  Great wheel speed for a smaller wheel.

CONS:
-Low rebound.  These felt like they had the least rebound of any Spitfire I've ever skated.  Much less than F1's even.
-Cost.  These cost about $12-$15 more than other wheels and probably don't produce an ROI that justifies their price.

In the end I think they lived up to the claims about speed and wear but I prefer something with more rebound.  I may try some Autobahn's next.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: toque on November 22, 2013, 06:50:12 PM
WTF is rebound,  bro?  And why do people want colored wheels? That's like skating painted trucks... You dudes in 7th grade tho? 



My F4s have been real good
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on December 06, 2013, 11:00:23 AM
I haven't technically flatspotted them but there is a chunk missing from one of my wheels that feels like a small flatspot.

That may be a defect. If you email me a photo i can most likely replace the set for you!

[email protected]
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: louie_bk on December 06, 2013, 02:53:07 PM
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I haven't technically flatspotted them but there is a chunk missing from one of my wheels that feels like a small flatspot.
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That may be a defect. If you email me a photo i can most likely replace the set for you!

[email protected]

Any word on orange formula fours?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noid on December 07, 2013, 01:04:27 PM
(http://[url=http://imgur.com/UK9sBPK]http://imgur.com/UK9sBPK[/url])
This was the result of the 99 f4s dyed with half a pack of black rit. I let them soak for 50 mins. Not to pretty

(https://i.imgur.com/UK9sBPK.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on December 07, 2013, 01:22:28 PM
haha...it looks like a potato
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on December 07, 2013, 01:58:06 PM
Did you boil the water? Get that water as humanly hot as possible and with black dye just use the whole packet in only about a half gallon of water. Let sit for at least a day or 2. Bones STF's took 4 days and it was still faint. Nav's dyes Spitfire Classics over the course of a month. So be patient. It ain't gunna be a quick thing.
The softer the wheel, the better it will dye, the harder the more dense it is and harder to get color into the urethane.
I've dyed a bunch of sets and the wheels that took the best dye job were 97a Powell wheels. They were perfectly a bright blue in a day.
Harder wheels you need more time, and more dye. In the end it's a pain, but it can be done.
Good luck dude and be patient!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: wallieD on December 07, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
Did you boil the water? Get that water as humanly hot as possible and with black dye just use the whole packet in only about a half gallon of water. Let sit for at least a day or 2. Bones STF's took 4 days and it was still faint. Nav's dyes Spitfire Classics over the course of a month. So be patient. It ain't gunna be a quick thing.
The softer the wheel, the better it will dye, the harder the more dense it is and harder to get color into the urethane.
I've dyed a bunch of sets and the wheels that took the best dye job were 97a Powell wheels. They were perfectly a bright blue in a day.
Harder wheels you need more time, and more dye. In the end it's a pain, but it can be done.
Good luck dude and be patient!
didn't you also do them in 10 minutes on the stove?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on December 07, 2013, 08:18:48 PM
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Did you boil the water? Get that water as humanly hot as possible and with black dye just use the whole packet in only about a half gallon of water. Let sit for at least a day or 2. Bones STF's took 4 days and it was still faint. Nav's dyes Spitfire Classics over the course of a month. So be patient. It ain't gunna be a quick thing.
The softer the wheel, the better it will dye, the harder the more dense it is and harder to get color into the urethane.
I've dyed a bunch of sets and the wheels that took the best dye job were 97a Powell wheels. They were perfectly a bright blue in a day.
Harder wheels you need more time, and more dye. In the end it's a pain, but it can be done.
Good luck dude and be patient!
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didn't you also do them in 10 minutes on the stove?

Not me dude.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Slappy_Happy on December 07, 2013, 09:22:25 PM
I've been skating my formula fours over the past couple weeks at my local indoor park since the winter is here.  Its so slippery and I haven't slipped out once and these wheels have amazing traction.  I back these things sooo hard and won't be buying anything else as long as they make these
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on December 08, 2013, 01:42:24 AM
I've been skating my formula fours over the past couple weeks at my local indoor park since the winter is here.  Its so slippery and I haven't slipped out once and these wheels have amazing traction.  I back these things sooo hard and won't be buying anything else as long as they make these

I hear ya. The indoor park I go to is really slippery as well and the Formula Four 99a's have been the best wheel I've ever used there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wizard Fight on December 17, 2013, 02:30:00 AM
All wheels are going to get flat spots if you try hard enough, just some more easily than others.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: liltropicalboy on December 19, 2013, 01:34:17 AM
i'm having a hard time picking between the 99s and the 100s. i live in pennsylvania so the street is extremely rough and crusty and i find myself going to parks occasionally. any suggestions?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wizard Fight on December 19, 2013, 04:50:03 AM
i'm having a hard time picking between the 99s and the 100s. i live in pennsylvania so the street is extremely rough and crusty and i find myself going to parks occasionally. any suggestions?

I looked at them both at the shop and bought the 54mm 101s. I went in thinking I'd buy the 99s but they were a lot softer than I expected, and you can kinda dig your fingernail into them. the 101s are your average rock hard street wheel, maybe even a little harder or more slippery feeling  to me. I live in Eugene, Oregon and most of the roads are fucked here too, but I think the 101s are the way to go for street skating.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tom on December 19, 2013, 05:44:56 AM
I have slight flatspots on the 99's I got. I have no clue how I got them because I only use the wheels on Masonite ramps, but they're there. I can feel them when I ride on smooth surfaces. It's not the end of the world. They still grip better than anything else out there
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on December 19, 2013, 05:47:29 AM
i finally flatspotted the 101s after like 3 months, i dont even care these wheels are the best
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on December 23, 2013, 07:19:47 PM
So I noticed today that one of my wheels is starting to cone but not the other three. Weird, because I've never just had one do it on its own.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Probably A Robot on December 23, 2013, 07:50:31 PM
So I noticed today that one of my wheels is starting to cone but not the other three. Weird, because I've never just had one do it on its own.
Which wheel is it? A lot of the time my rear wheel on the toe side cones from leaning on it too much during powerslides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stone2g on December 26, 2013, 07:34:25 PM
This happened to my 51mm classic 101d wheel today. Not really sure how, as I was only skating an indoor park. Think it's worth having DLX check it out for a defect? Only been skating them for a couple weeks.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/dfahau.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20fq341.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi9tec.jpg)

Might just have to sack up and buy a new set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on December 26, 2013, 07:39:33 PM
deluxe will definitely hook you up with a new set.  shoot them an email.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Flat_Spot on December 26, 2013, 07:39:54 PM
This happened to my 51mm classic 101d wheel today. Not really sure how, as I was only skating an indoor park. Think it's worth having DLX check it out for a defect? Only been skating them for a couple weeks.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/dfahau.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20fq341.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi9tec.jpg)

Might just have to sack up and buy a new set.


I definitely would, a guy who works at deluxe posts here, willing to bet he'll see this and send you a new set. deluxe has the best customer service ever
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Makaveli on December 27, 2013, 10:52:48 AM
i got some satori pricepoint wheels, cost $20, really good. you guys should save your money and stop buying this spitfire bullshit.

and yes, i've skated bones, these formula 4's, i've skated every wheel man, they're all too similar to justify the $$$
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stone2g on December 27, 2013, 01:06:19 PM
DLX PMed me and handled it. These dudes are the shit and I will never skate another wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: heritage on December 27, 2013, 01:26:53 PM
DLX PMed me and handled it. These dudes are the shit and I will never skate another wheel.

It's exactly how I feel about the dudes that run Autobahn. Killer wheels and unbelievable customer service and backing of their product. I will never skate another wheel.

If anyone is interested in trying F4s, I have a brand new set in the shrink...99/54 in classic shape that I'd sell for $24 shipped to anywhere in the states. I'm pretty sure I paid $38. I bought them while on a skate trip from a local shop in a town we were skating to have as a backup set but I never had to use them. I have so many sets of wheels in front of them I'm most likely never going to use them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on December 27, 2013, 06:44:36 PM
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DLX PMed me and handled it. These dudes are the shit and I will never skate another wheel.
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It's exactly how I feel about the dudes that run Autobahn. Killer wheels and unbelievable customer service and backing of their product. I will never skate another wheel.

If anyone is interested in trying F4s, I have a brand new set in the shrink...99/54 in classic shape that I'd sell for $24 shipped to anywhere in the states. I'm pretty sure I paid $38. I bought them while on a skate trip from a local shop in a town we were skating to have as a backup set but I never had to use them. I have so many sets of wheels in front of them I'm most likely never going to use them.

pm'd you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on December 30, 2013, 10:24:39 AM
This happened to my 51mm classic 101d wheel today. Not really sure how, as I was only skating an indoor park. Think it's worth having DLX check it out for a defect? Only been skating them for a couple weeks.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/dfahau.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20fq341.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi9tec.jpg)

Might just have to sack up and buy a new set.


pm me your address!
that is definitely a rare defect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on December 30, 2013, 11:51:25 AM
My wheels got really fucking flatspotted yesterday. It's a bummer.  :-\
They were good while they lasted.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JAesop on December 30, 2013, 12:06:01 PM
Defect called catching a screw head.  :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on December 31, 2013, 02:17:44 AM
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This happened to my 51mm classic 101d wheel today. Not really sure how, as I was only skating an indoor park. Think it's worth having DLX check it out for a defect? Only been skating them for a couple weeks.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/dfahau.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20fq341.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi9tec.jpg)

Might just have to sack up and buy a new set.

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pm me your address!
that is definitely a rare defect.
rare defect???? this shit happens all the time at indoor/skatelite parks. the metal flashing at the bottom of banks or quarter pipe slice the wheels bro. It has nothing to do with the wheel.

just skate threw it and stop looking for a hand out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stone2g on December 31, 2013, 10:45:45 AM
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This happened to my 51mm classic 101d wheel today. Not really sure how, as I was only skating an indoor park. Think it's worth having DLX check it out for a defect? Only been skating them for a couple weeks.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/dfahau.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20fq341.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi9tec.jpg)

Might just have to sack up and buy a new set.

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pm me your address!
that is definitely a rare defect.
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rare defect???? this shit happens all the time at indoor/skatelite parks. the metal flashing at the bottom of banks or quarter pipe slice the wheels bro. It has nothing to do with the wheel.

just skate threw it and stop looking for a hand out


Well I don't really skate indoor parks all that much but, yeah, seems like I may have caught a screwhead.

No one is looking for a handout, you broke faggot. I just have never had this happen to me, or seen it. I was just curious since they were F4s.

Also, I'll make sure to skate THROUGH it, you dumb fuck.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RaptorJesus on December 31, 2013, 10:54:08 AM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9YHwmzp94 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF9YHwmzp94#)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JAesop on December 31, 2013, 12:35:58 PM
Glad DLX hooked you up...good customer service.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dask8d00d on December 31, 2013, 01:15:29 PM

Well I don't really skate indoor parks all that much but, yeah, seems like I may have caught a screwhead.

No one is looking for a handout, you broke faggot. I just have never had this happen to me, or seen it. I was just curious since they were F4s.

Also, I'll make sure to skate THROUGH it, you dumb fuck.

(http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130410135729/glee/images/f/f0/JUSTY.gif)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stone2g on December 31, 2013, 02:19:12 PM
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Well I don't really skate indoor parks all that much but, yeah, seems like I may have caught a screwhead.

No one is looking for a handout, you broke faggot. I just have never had this happen to me, or seen it. I was just curious since they were F4s.

Also, I'll make sure to skate THROUGH it, you dumb fuck.
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(http://static4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130410135729/glee/images/f/f0/JUSTY.gif)

I ain't even mad tho
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noid on January 01, 2014, 12:41:31 AM
Did you boil the water? Get that water as humanly hot as possible and with black dye just use the whole packet in only about a half gallon of water. Let sit for at least a day or 2. Bones STF's took 4 days and it was still faint. Nav's dyes Spitfire Classics over the course of a month. So be patient. It ain't gunna be a quick thing.
The softer the wheel, the better it will dye, the harder the more dense it is and harder to get color into the urethane.
I've dyed a bunch of sets and the wheels that took the best dye job were 97a Powell wheels. They were perfectly a bright blue in a day.
Harder wheels you need more time, and more dye. In the end it's a pain, but it can be done.
Good luck dude and be patient!

sorry for taking so long to reply. I forgot I posted in this thread. Anyways, I brought the water to a boil, added half the dye and brought the stove down to a medium high, just barley under boiling.

I just ordered another pair off the 99 classics and want to dye them with the "lemon" colored liquid dye. Do you think the dye is dark enough to get a solid color on the pearly spits?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 01, 2014, 12:53:17 AM
Finally swapped mine out after four months, longest time ive had a pair of wheels, loved these, hopefully they bring out the manderson shape in these and i'll be set for life
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on January 01, 2014, 01:20:14 AM
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This happened to my 51mm classic 101d wheel today. Not really sure how, as I was only skating an indoor park. Think it's worth having DLX check it out for a defect? Only been skating them for a couple weeks.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/dfahau.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20fq341.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi9tec.jpg)

Might just have to sack up and buy a new set.

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pm me your address!
that is definitely a rare defect.
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rare defect???? this shit happens all the time at indoor/skatelite parks. the metal flashing at the bottom of banks or quarter pipe slice the wheels bro. It has nothing to do with the wheel.

just skate threw it and stop looking for a hand out

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Well I don't really skate indoor parks all that much but, yeah, seems like I may have caught a screwhead.

No one is looking for a handout, you broke faggot. I just have never had this happen to me, or seen it. I was just curious since they were F4s.

Also, I'll make sure to skate THROUGH it, you dumb fuck.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/e83a7q.jpg)
new boards 3 sets of wheels and a pair of fallens that don't come out till spring 14.. Whose the broke fuck
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on January 01, 2014, 01:25:56 AM
not you, im sure someone gave you a hefty sum to take those hideous shoes off their hands
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on January 01, 2014, 01:35:41 AM
not you, im sure someone gave you a hefty sum to take those hideous shoes off their hands
ROLL TIDE
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on January 01, 2014, 06:28:13 AM
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Did you boil the water? Get that water as humanly hot as possible and with black dye just use the whole packet in only about a half gallon of water. Let sit for at least a day or 2. Bones STF's took 4 days and it was still faint. Nav's dyes Spitfire Classics over the course of a month. So be patient. It ain't gunna be a quick thing.
The softer the wheel, the better it will dye, the harder the more dense it is and harder to get color into the urethane.
I've dyed a bunch of sets and the wheels that took the best dye job were 97a Powell wheels. They were perfectly a bright blue in a day.
Harder wheels you need more time, and more dye. In the end it's a pain, but it can be done.
Good luck dude and be patient!
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sorry for taking so long to reply. I forgot I posted in this thread. Anyways, I brought the water to a boil, added half the dye and brought the stove down to a medium high, just barley under boiling.

I just ordered another pair off the 99 classics and want to dye them with the "lemon" colored liquid dye. Do you think the dye is dark enough to get a solid color on the pearly spits?
Hey man, yeah, the yellow will work. My buddy did a set with the yellow and they came out actually pretty good.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5V-kXNWttKs/T49jfHgnSXI/AAAAAAAAAo0/IPwAP_21lrE/s1600/IMG_0857.JPG)
The whiter the wheel, the better the dye takes. Softer the wheel, the easier and deeper in the dye takes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noid on January 01, 2014, 12:25:42 PM
^those look sick, thanks for the reply
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ThugWaffle on January 01, 2014, 12:58:38 PM
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This happened to my 51mm classic 101d wheel today. Not really sure how, as I was only skating an indoor park. Think it's worth having DLX check it out for a defect? Only been skating them for a couple weeks.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/dfahau.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20fq341.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi9tec.jpg)

Might just have to sack up and buy a new set.

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pm me your address!
that is definitely a rare defect.
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rare defect???? this shit happens all the time at indoor/skatelite parks. the metal flashing at the bottom of banks or quarter pipe slice the wheels bro. It has nothing to do with the wheel.

just skate threw it and stop looking for a hand out

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Well I don't really skate indoor parks all that much but, yeah, seems like I may have caught a screwhead.

No one is looking for a handout, you broke faggot. I just have never had this happen to me, or seen it. I was just curious since they were F4s.

Also, I'll make sure to skate THROUGH it, you dumb fuck.
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(http://i42.tinypic.com/e83a7q.jpg)
new boards 3 sets of wheels and a pair of fallens that don't come out till spring 14.. Whose the broke fuck


SO RICH
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on January 01, 2014, 03:05:21 PM
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This happened to my 51mm classic 101d wheel today. Not really sure how, as I was only skating an indoor park. Think it's worth having DLX check it out for a defect? Only been skating them for a couple weeks.

(http://i43.tinypic.com/dfahau.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20fq341.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2qi9tec.jpg)

Might just have to sack up and buy a new set.

[close]

pm me your address!
that is definitely a rare defect.
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rare defect???? this shit happens all the time at indoor/skatelite parks. the metal flashing at the bottom of banks or quarter pipe slice the wheels bro. It has nothing to do with the wheel.

just skate threw it and stop looking for a hand out

[close]

Well I don't really skate indoor parks all that much but, yeah, seems like I may have caught a screwhead.

No one is looking for a handout, you broke faggot. I just have never had this happen to me, or seen it. I was just curious since they were F4s.

Also, I'll make sure to skate THROUGH it, you dumb fuck.
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(http://i42.tinypic.com/e83a7q.jpg)
new boards 3 sets of wheels and a pair of fallens that don't come out till spring 14.. Whose the broke fuck

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SO RICH
(http://i42.tinypic.com/65vdqb.jpg) don't hate
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on January 01, 2014, 03:08:15 PM
(http://i43.tinypic.com/651g6c.jpg)
I found these too last longer then the new batch of F4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: silkyjohnson on January 01, 2014, 03:42:31 PM
You remind of this hypebeast in my psychology class who is always Bragging how much his jeans cost. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smokecrack on January 01, 2014, 04:15:14 PM
You remind of this hypebeast in my psychology class who is always Bragging how much his jeans cost. 

and isn't ALABAMAMAN friends with sponsored skaters? i'm pretty sure i've heard him talk about letting pros/ams stay at his place.

this dude gets product kicked-down by homies and is trying to stunt on slap like he's got paper.

hey BAMAMAN, post pics of your whip and bitch too!

shut them haters down, brah.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on January 01, 2014, 08:28:42 PM
Got a flatspot today. I'm on my second set and they both lasted me more than three months. Best wheels out there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on January 01, 2014, 09:01:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GJJcT8R.jpg)

I've always just skated whichever wheels were the cheapest at my skateshop. I recently got STFS for the first time and formula 4's, these are the flat spots I got, but now that it's been a couple months I def like the 4's more than anything I can remember, but really i don't mind skating cheap wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on January 01, 2014, 11:10:38 PM
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You remind of this hypebeast in my psychology class who is always Bragging how much his jeans cost. 
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and isn't ALABAMAMAN friends with sponsored skaters? i'm pretty sure i've heard him talk about letting pros/ams stay at his place.

this dude gets product kicked-down by homies and is trying to stunt on slap like he's got paper.

hey BAMAMAN, post pics of your whip and bitch too!

shut them haters down, brah.

You mad you don't get homie boxes. Never acted rich playur but my 150$ Carhartt pants ripped the other day
(http://i43.tinypic.com/24vtixe.jpg)
VAN LIFE PLAYUR!!!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noid on January 02, 2014, 01:57:52 AM
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Did you boil the water? Get that water as humanly hot as possible and with black dye just use the whole packet in only about a half gallon of water. Let sit for at least a day or 2. Bones STF's took 4 days and it was still faint. Nav's dyes Spitfire Classics over the course of a month. So be patient. It ain't gunna be a quick thing.
The softer the wheel, the better it will dye, the harder the more dense it is and harder to get color into the urethane.
I've dyed a bunch of sets and the wheels that took the best dye job were 97a Powell wheels. They were perfectly a bright blue in a day.
Harder wheels you need more time, and more dye. In the end it's a pain, but it can be done.
Good luck dude and be patient!
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sorry for taking so long to reply. I forgot I posted in this thread. Anyways, I brought the water to a boil, added half the dye and brought the stove down to a medium high, just barley under boiling.

I just ordered another pair off the 99 classics and want to dye them with the "lemon" colored liquid dye. Do you think the dye is dark enough to get a solid color on the pearly spits?
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Hey man, yeah, the yellow will work. My buddy did a set with the yellow and they came out actually pretty good.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5V-kXNWttKs/T49jfHgnSXI/AAAAAAAAAo0/IPwAP_21lrE/s1600/IMG_0857.JPG)
The whiter the wheel, the better the dye takes. Softer the wheel, the easier and deeper in the dye takes.

Do you know what specific yellow dye he used and how long he had to soak them?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on January 02, 2014, 10:14:12 AM
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DLX PMed me and handled it. These dudes are the shit and I will never skate another wheel.
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It's exactly how I feel about the dudes that run Autobahn. Killer wheels and unbelievable customer service and backing of their product. I will never skate another wheel.

If anyone is interested in trying F4s, I have a brand new set in the shrink...99/54 in classic shape that I'd sell for $24 shipped to anywhere in the states. I'm pretty sure I paid $38. I bought them while on a skate trip from a local shop in a town we were skating to have as a backup set but I never had to use them. I have so many sets of wheels in front of them I'm most likely never going to use them.

pm'd
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on January 02, 2014, 11:17:06 AM
Finally swapped mine out after four months, longest time ive had a pair of wheels, loved these, hopefully they bring out the manderson shape in these and i'll be set for life

Manderson shape is coming very soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on January 02, 2014, 11:20:30 AM
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You remind of this hypebeast in my psychology class who is always Bragging how much his jeans cost. 
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and isn't ALABAMAMAN friends with sponsored skaters? i'm pretty sure i've heard him talk about letting pros/ams stay at his place.

this dude gets product kicked-down by homies and is trying to stunt on slap like he's got paper.

hey BAMAMAN, post pics of your whip and bitch too!

shut them haters down, brah.
[close]

You mad you don't get homie boxes handouts. Never acted rich playur but my 150$ Carhartt pants ripped the other day
(http://i43.tinypic.com/24vtixe.jpg)
VAN LIFE PLAYUR!!!!

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on January 02, 2014, 11:44:00 AM
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Finally swapped mine out after four months, longest time ive had a pair of wheels, loved these, hopefully they bring out the manderson shape in these and i'll be set for life
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Manderson shape is coming very soon.
What's up with the colored F4s? I saw those green samples, I'd be so hyped on some pink ones!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on January 02, 2014, 01:39:28 PM
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Did you boil the water? Get that water as humanly hot as possible and with black dye just use the whole packet in only about a half gallon of water. Let sit for at least a day or 2. Bones STF's took 4 days and it was still faint. Nav's dyes Spitfire Classics over the course of a month. So be patient. It ain't gunna be a quick thing.
The softer the wheel, the better it will dye, the harder the more dense it is and harder to get color into the urethane.
I've dyed a bunch of sets and the wheels that took the best dye job were 97a Powell wheels. They were perfectly a bright blue in a day.
Harder wheels you need more time, and more dye. In the end it's a pain, but it can be done.
Good luck dude and be patient!
[close]

sorry for taking so long to reply. I forgot I posted in this thread. Anyways, I brought the water to a boil, added half the dye and brought the stove down to a medium high, just barley under boiling.

I just ordered another pair off the 99 classics and want to dye them with the "lemon" colored liquid dye. Do you think the dye is dark enough to get a solid color on the pearly spits?
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Hey man, yeah, the yellow will work. My buddy did a set with the yellow and they came out actually pretty good.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5V-kXNWttKs/T49jfHgnSXI/AAAAAAAAAo0/IPwAP_21lrE/s1600/IMG_0857.JPG)
The whiter the wheel, the better the dye takes. Softer the wheel, the easier and deeper in the dye takes.
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Do you know what specific yellow dye he used and how long he had to soak them?
Rit dye, Lemon Yellow. Start w/ a teaspoon to about 3 cups of boiling water. Let sit for 5 minutes.
Take the wheel out, check it, see how light or dark it is. Then you decide if you need to add more dye, hotter water and or leave in longer. Once you find the right mixture of the dye to water ratio, and it's not going to be too light or too dark you can then leave the wheels in a long time and keep stirring them. Once they cool, stir them every once in a while to keep them from floating and making one side darker than the rest. The longer sitting time will make the dye seep further into the urethane so that when you wear the wheels down they will still be colored all the way through. The boiling water dye mixture will be the most powerful of these things when getting most of the color into the wheels. Everything else after that is a waiting game. With a super white wheel and hot enough water/dye combo you can wing it in no time w/ light colors like a yellow. The darker colors take longer. I've done blues and greens and I leave them in for days and keep reheating the dye too to kinda rush it along. Navarette two-tone dyes his wheels for a month in Rit black dye. So just know, when dying urethane wheels ya gotta be patient. I've done a bunch of wheel dye jobs, some good, some bad, but funky, it's an experiment and always a gamble, but it's a fun and cheap way to play around w/ yer setup.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on January 02, 2014, 02:28:45 PM
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Finally swapped mine out after four months, longest time ive had a pair of wheels, loved these, hopefully they bring out the manderson shape in these and i'll be set for life
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Manderson shape is coming very soon.
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What's up with the colored F4s? I saw those green samples, I'd be so hyped on some pink ones!

Colors are coming very soon as well. We have some prototypes going, and full production isn't far off!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 02, 2014, 04:09:50 PM
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Finally swapped mine out after four months, longest time ive had a pair of wheels, loved these, hopefully they bring out the manderson shape in these and i'll be set for life
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Manderson shape is coming very soon.

You made my day Lenny,  :-*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noid on January 02, 2014, 05:08:52 PM
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Did you boil the water? Get that water as humanly hot as possible and with black dye just use the whole packet in only about a half gallon of water. Let sit for at least a day or 2. Bones STF's took 4 days and it was still faint. Nav's dyes Spitfire Classics over the course of a month. So be patient. It ain't gunna be a quick thing.
The softer the wheel, the better it will dye, the harder the more dense it is and harder to get color into the urethane.
I've dyed a bunch of sets and the wheels that took the best dye job were 97a Powell wheels. They were perfectly a bright blue in a day.
Harder wheels you need more time, and more dye. In the end it's a pain, but it can be done.
Good luck dude and be patient!
[close]

sorry for taking so long to reply. I forgot I posted in this thread. Anyways, I brought the water to a boil, added half the dye and brought the stove down to a medium high, just barley under boiling.

I just ordered another pair off the 99 classics and want to dye them with the "lemon" colored liquid dye. Do you think the dye is dark enough to get a solid color on the pearly spits?
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Hey man, yeah, the yellow will work. My buddy did a set with the yellow and they came out actually pretty good.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5V-kXNWttKs/T49jfHgnSXI/AAAAAAAAAo0/IPwAP_21lrE/s1600/IMG_0857.JPG)
The whiter the wheel, the better the dye takes. Softer the wheel, the easier and deeper in the dye takes.
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Do you know what specific yellow dye he used and how long he had to soak them?
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Rit dye, Lemon Yellow. Start w/ a teaspoon to about 3 cups of boiling water. Let sit for 5 minutes.
Take the wheel out, check it, see how light or dark it is. Then you decide if you need to add more dye, hotter water and or leave in longer. Once you find the right mixture of the dye to water ratio, and it's not going to be too light or too dark you can then leave the wheels in a long time and keep stirring them. Once they cool, stir them every once in a while to keep them from floating and making one side darker than the rest. The longer sitting time will make the dye seep further into the urethane so that when you wear the wheels down they will still be colored all the way through. The boiling water dye mixture will be the most powerful of these things when getting most of the color into the wheels. Everything else after that is a waiting game. With a super white wheel and hot enough water/dye combo you can wing it in no time w/ light colors like a yellow. The darker colors take longer. I've done blues and greens and I leave them in for days and keep reheating the dye too to kinda rush it along. Navarette two-tone dyes his wheels for a month in Rit black dye. So just know, when dying urethane wheels ya gotta be patient. I've done a bunch of wheel dye jobs, some good, some bad, but funky, it's an experiment and always a gamble, but it's a fun and cheap way to play around w/ yer setup.

sweet, alright thanks for all the help man
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on January 03, 2014, 12:07:13 PM
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Did you boil the water? Get that water as humanly hot as possible and with black dye just use the whole packet in only about a half gallon of water. Let sit for at least a day or 2. Bones STF's took 4 days and it was still faint. Nav's dyes Spitfire Classics over the course of a month. So be patient. It ain't gunna be a quick thing.
The softer the wheel, the better it will dye, the harder the more dense it is and harder to get color into the urethane.
I've dyed a bunch of sets and the wheels that took the best dye job were 97a Powell wheels. They were perfectly a bright blue in a day.
Harder wheels you need more time, and more dye. In the end it's a pain, but it can be done.
Good luck dude and be patient!
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sorry for taking so long to reply. I forgot I posted in this thread. Anyways, I brought the water to a boil, added half the dye and brought the stove down to a medium high, just barley under boiling.

I just ordered another pair off the 99 classics and want to dye them with the "lemon" colored liquid dye. Do you think the dye is dark enough to get a solid color on the pearly spits?
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Hey man, yeah, the yellow will work. My buddy did a set with the yellow and they came out actually pretty good.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5V-kXNWttKs/T49jfHgnSXI/AAAAAAAAAo0/IPwAP_21lrE/s1600/IMG_0857.JPG)
The whiter the wheel, the better the dye takes. Softer the wheel, the easier and deeper in the dye takes.
[close]

Do you know what specific yellow dye he used and how long he had to soak them?
[close]
Rit dye, Lemon Yellow. Start w/ a teaspoon to about 3 cups of boiling water. Let sit for 5 minutes.
Take the wheel out, check it, see how light or dark it is. Then you decide if you need to add more dye, hotter water and or leave in longer. Once you find the right mixture of the dye to water ratio, and it's not going to be too light or too dark you can then leave the wheels in a long time and keep stirring them. Once they cool, stir them every once in a while to keep them from floating and making one side darker than the rest. The longer sitting time will make the dye seep further into the urethane so that when you wear the wheels down they will still be colored all the way through. The boiling water dye mixture will be the most powerful of these things when getting most of the color into the wheels. Everything else after that is a waiting game. With a super white wheel and hot enough water/dye combo you can wing it in no time w/ light colors like a yellow. The darker colors take longer. I've done blues and greens and I leave them in for days and keep reheating the dye too to kinda rush it along. Navarette two-tone dyes his wheels for a month in Rit black dye. So just know, when dying urethane wheels ya gotta be patient. I've done a bunch of wheel dye jobs, some good, some bad, but funky, it's an experiment and always a gamble, but it's a fun and cheap way to play around w/ yer setup.
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sweet, alright thanks for all the help man
No prob, good luck!  :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on January 03, 2014, 12:31:41 PM
yo is there any difference between the F4's that come in the new packaging, versus the ones that are packaged like the regular spits? same graphic on both
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on January 03, 2014, 03:36:35 PM
yo is there any difference between the F4's that come in the new packaging, versus the ones that are packaged like the regular spits? same graphic on both

No difference. They're just from before we decided on the new packaging.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on January 03, 2014, 06:05:41 PM
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yo is there any difference between the F4's that come in the new packaging, versus the ones that are packaged like the regular spits? same graphic on both
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No difference. They're just from before we decided on the new packaging.

cool thanks mane
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tom on January 04, 2014, 09:26:23 AM
Reed get those colors going already. I tried my friends f1's the other day. I used to think they were extremely grippy, but now it feels like skating on ice. If you go back to anything else, which i really dont know why you would, it might take a little getting used to again.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noid on January 04, 2014, 05:27:54 PM
I ended using evening blue rather than yellow, I am really happy with how they turned out.

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on January 04, 2014, 10:24:08 PM
Can't see em bro...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on January 05, 2014, 09:28:40 AM
I ended using evening blue rather than yellow, I am really happy with how they turned out.

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damn ngl i hate colored wheels but those look sick
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on January 05, 2014, 08:36:27 PM
I ended using evening blue rather than yellow, I am really happy with how they turned out.

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Nice man!

The last color I dyed was using Rit Aqua-marine liquid dye. Left wheels in for 4 days. It came out the brightest royal blue of all the wheels I've ever done. The wheels were 97a Powells though, so they took dye really well. I can see how the off white color of the F4's would sorta augment the color you'd be dying.
Nice job bro!  :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noid on January 05, 2014, 10:16:09 PM
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I ended using evening blue rather than yellow, I am really happy with how they turned out.

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Nice man!

The last color I dyed was using Rit Aqua-marine liquid dye. Left wheels in for 4 days. It came out the brightest royal blue of all the wheels I've ever done. The wheels were 97a Powells though, so they took dye really well. I can see how the off white color of the F4's would sorta augment the color you'd be dying.
Nice job bro!  :)

Thanks, I took your advice and kept the water as hot as I could, so it only took about an hour or so. And when I took them out they were so soft they bounced like super balls haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on January 07, 2014, 02:20:35 AM
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I ended using evening blue rather than yellow, I am really happy with how they turned out.

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Nice man!

The last color I dyed was using Rit Aqua-marine liquid dye. Left wheels in for 4 days. It came out the brightest royal blue of all the wheels I've ever done. The wheels were 97a Powells though, so they took dye really well. I can see how the off white color of the F4's would sorta augment the color you'd be dying.
Nice job bro!  :)
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Thanks, I took your advice and kept the water as hot as I could, so it only took about an hour or so. And when I took them out they were so soft they bounced like super balls haha

Haha, you should see what it's like dying Bones STF and SPF's! REBOUND gone wild after boiling i'm sure...never tried to bounce them as I let them sit in the dye for days after that that boiling point.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: felix. on January 07, 2014, 03:07:07 PM
i finally got round to buying a set. 51mm Full Shape 98A Durometer. they were really cheap and in the full shape which is quite hard to find, i can't wait to see what they're like. just hope the fucking ground dries up sometime soon!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on January 10, 2014, 08:54:56 AM
i finally got round to buying a set. 51mm Full Shape 98A Durometer. they were really cheap and in the full shape which is quite hard to find, i can't wait to see what they're like. just hope the fucking ground dries up sometime soon!

I wanna find the 98a's in 54 MM and full shape - but it's hard to find. Even the normal sites I check online don't have any stock.

Anyone know of a site?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on January 10, 2014, 10:07:43 AM
http://www.actionvillage.com/spitfire-wheels-formula-four-99-du-full-shape-55mm-skateboard-wheels.html (http://www.actionvillage.com/spitfire-wheels-formula-four-99-du-full-shape-55mm-skateboard-wheels.html)

^^???
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 10, 2014, 01:39:48 PM
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i finally got round to buying a set. 51mm Full Shape 98A Durometer. they were really cheap and in the full shape which is quite hard to find, i can't wait to see what they're like. just hope the fucking ground dries up sometime soon!
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I wanna find the 98a's in 54 MM and full shape - but it's hard to find. Even the normal sites I check online don't have any stock.

Anyone know of a site?

I don't think they made the full shape in 54 this time around, it was 51,53,55 I believe
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Post by: b.v. on January 10, 2014, 10:03:45 PM
Correct, and theyre technically 99a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on January 10, 2014, 11:29:16 PM
skimming through a few pages i noticed a few things
 
f4 aren't total flatspot garbage
there aren't any colors
they are packed horizontally

23 pages... yea so is this the holy grail of skateboard wheels? fucks sake
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GY on January 11, 2014, 07:00:22 AM
Pretty bummed, mine got chipped up after a few days and I thought nothing of it, now they are just getting worse and sounding mad flat spotted.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on January 11, 2014, 12:12:28 PM
Pretty bummed, mine got chipped up after a few days and I thought nothing of it, now they are just getting worse and sounding mad flat spotted.

contact dlx man, they may hook u up.

i gotta say i just set up the 101's after some bones 100's i got and im feeling em. wheels are wheels, but if they manage not to flatspot, ill be skating em forever
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Post by: GY on January 16, 2014, 09:05:33 AM
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Pretty bummed, mine got chipped up after a few days and I thought nothing of it, now they are just getting worse and sounding mad flat spotted.
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contact dlx man, they may hook u up.

i gotta say i just set up the 101's after some bones 100's i got and im feeling em. wheels are wheels, but if they manage not to flatspot, ill be skating em forever

Turns out they did hook me up, Shiner sent these today. Cheers Lenny!

(http://s29.postimg.org/4kf22xh6v/spit_form_four.jpg)
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on January 16, 2014, 09:34:35 AM
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Pretty bummed, mine got chipped up after a few days and I thought nothing of it, now they are just getting worse and sounding mad flat spotted.
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contact dlx man, they may hook u up.

i gotta say i just set up the 101's after some bones 100's i got and im feeling em. wheels are wheels, but if they manage not to flatspot, ill be skating em forever
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Turns out they did hook me up, Shiner sent these today. Cheers Lenny!

(http://s29.postimg.org/4kf22xh6v/spit_form_four.jpg)

Happy to help!

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 19, 2014, 02:31:29 PM
(http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/6e0f2cee7fb711e383b71261062e4ae8_8.jpg)

Anyone seen these yet?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: soccer mom on January 19, 2014, 03:03:23 PM
not yet...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Terry on January 19, 2014, 05:04:36 PM
Got the 51mm 101 duro's best wheels I've ever had but as someone else said mine did get some chips out of them pretty quickly and some weird cuts on the inside, guess just from grinding square coping or something.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on January 19, 2014, 05:12:40 PM
(http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/6e0f2cee7fb711e383b71261062e4ae8_8.jpg)

Anyone seen these yet?
Ha, my instagram pic! The colored ones look good. Setting some up this week.
Got the scoop about full shape f4's and manderson shape, they are cutting new molds now, something was causing problems with the old ones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on January 19, 2014, 05:30:50 PM
If they make colored 99s in the wider shapes by feb, I might have to buy my first set of colored (non-cruiser) wheels ever.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Flat_Spot on January 19, 2014, 05:40:16 PM
those colored ones look sick, definitely getting some. I tried RIT dying some orange yesterday and let them sit overnight, just made them looked like old yellowed wheels but I've had them since october so not too bummed.
(http://i.imgur.com/TeuiF9D.png)
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Post by: Paco Supreme on January 19, 2014, 10:27:58 PM
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Anyone seen these yet?
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Ha, my instagram pic! The colored ones look good. Setting some up this week.
Got the scoop about full shape f4's and manderson shape, they are cutting new molds now, something was causing problems with the old ones.

I was hoping you'd see that, haha, can't wait for these manderson f4s, going back to the classic ones don't feel as good as they used too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on January 19, 2014, 11:13:26 PM
those colored ones look sick, definitely getting some. I tried RIT dying some orange yesterday and let them sit overnight, just made them looked like old yellowed wheels but I've had them since october so not too bummed.
(http://i.imgur.com/TeuiF9D.png)
Use a heck of alot more dye to the amount of water ratio, and make sure it's boiling hot.
Let them soak 2-3 days minimum, they'd get alot darker...and more "orange".
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on January 20, 2014, 06:30:38 AM
skated some F4 54 99a for the first time on insanely dusty ramps, worked better than anything I've else I've tried. 
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Post by: Jared on January 20, 2014, 09:59:50 AM
Just bought a pair of 54mm 99a the other day and I love them.
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Post by: Frank on January 20, 2014, 01:27:02 PM
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those colored ones look sick, definitely getting some. I tried RIT dying some orange yesterday and let them sit overnight, just made them looked like old yellowed wheels but I've had them since october so not too bummed.
(http://i.imgur.com/TeuiF9D.png)
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Use a heck of alot more dye to the amount of water ratio, and make sure it's boiling hot.
Let them soak 2-3 days minimum, they'd get alot darker...and more "orange".

would it work with a similar dye like rit? i have some blank wheels on deck i'd try to dye and i have a small pack of random cloth dye left...
guess i'll just try it out and maybe throw a white-t in there, too.
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Post by: JBones on January 20, 2014, 03:04:41 PM
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those colored ones look sick, definitely getting some. I tried RIT dying some orange yesterday and let them sit overnight, just made them looked like old yellowed wheels but I've had them since october so not too bummed.
(http://i.imgur.com/TeuiF9D.png)
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Use a heck of alot more dye to the amount of water ratio, and make sure it's boiling hot.
Let them soak 2-3 days minimum, they'd get alot darker...and more "orange".
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would it work with a similar dye like rit? i have some blank wheels on deck i'd try to dye and i have a small pack of random cloth dye left...
guess i'll just try it out and maybe throw a white-t in there, too.
For some really weird reason only Rit works. it's really weird. Dylon and Tulip dyes, which are in the class of Rit did absolutely nothing when I tried them both. Really weird, but only Rit works. The liquid Rit actually works best because it's concentrated, but the powder Rit works just as good if you can't find the liquid.
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Post by: Frank on January 21, 2014, 11:43:50 AM
^

ok, thanks j bones! think i'm gonna do it vice versa, dye a shirt, throw some wheels in there for a surprise. probably have to order some rit then at amazon...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JBones on January 21, 2014, 01:25:11 PM
You can get a few basic colors of Rit dye at Walmart and Target, but Jo-Ann Fabrics usually has the most colors Rit makes.
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Post by: wallieD on January 21, 2014, 03:05:07 PM

^ and most groceries have some around the laundry detergent. or if you go on ebay you can find every color for about 3.50 with free shipping
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank on January 22, 2014, 03:09:30 PM
thanks pals! i live in germany though. as far as i've seen, amazon seems to be the easiest way to get a hold of og rit dye. costs from 4-5 euros a pack so it's not even more expensive than common dye over here.
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Post by: JBones on January 23, 2014, 01:34:36 AM
thanks pals! i live in germany though. as far as i've seen, amazon seems to be the easiest way to get a hold of og rit dye. costs from 4-5 euros a pack so it's not even more expensive than common dye over here.

Ahhh, gotcha. Good luck brother!  ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on January 23, 2014, 03:07:13 PM
Anyone know where I can get a hold of the team edt.'s?
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Post by: foureyedjim on January 23, 2014, 03:47:01 PM
Anyone know where I can get a hold of the team edt.'s?

why?  I have used ones...doubt you'll want them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on January 23, 2014, 11:01:12 PM
Anyone know where I can get a hold of the team edt.'s?

were they really that much better?
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Post by: ALABAMAMAN on January 23, 2014, 11:10:12 PM
no, still have 2 sets of the team edt left that are yellower then the new f4 and thats about it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 17, 2014, 11:48:05 PM
Bumping this, anyone know when full shape or SFW formula fours will be around, got a set left but don't wanna burn through them if it'll be a while until new ones are around
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Post by: b.v. on February 18, 2014, 07:31:57 AM
Bumping this, anyone know when full shape or SFW formula fours will be around, got a set left but don't wanna burn through them if it'll be a while until new ones are around
Last email I got about it said the molds had to be re done. That was over a month ago. Assuming they will be available soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 18, 2014, 11:34:33 AM
Thanks bv
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on February 18, 2014, 02:30:40 PM
Bumping this, anyone know when full shape or SFW formula fours will be around, got a set left but don't wanna burn through them if it'll be a while until new ones are around

Taking longer than expected.
No definite date.

sorry dudes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 18, 2014, 03:15:11 PM
They're worth the wait, guess ill stick too regular sfw's for the moment Thanks Lenny
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Post by: louie_bk on February 18, 2014, 04:45:19 PM
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Bumping this, anyone know when full shape or SFW formula fours will be around, got a set left but don't wanna burn through them if it'll be a while until new ones are around
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Taking longer than expected.
No definite date.

sorry dudes.

Any chance of orange 99a SFW formula fours ever being made or are they just gonna keep them to the classic 101a?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on February 18, 2014, 10:39:44 PM
sp '14 is up..

I will get those teal F4's.

http://www.dlxsf.com/spring14/sf/ (http://www.dlxsf.com/spring14/sf/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on February 19, 2014, 06:53:13 AM
Sorry for a little spam but we have most sizes/colors in all the f4 and a few tablet and full shapes in small sizes. Always load people up with stickers and stuff too when they order.
http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Wheels/Spitfire.htm (http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Wheels/Spitfire.htm)
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Post by: Morty Seinfeld on February 19, 2014, 06:40:27 PM
Sorry for a little spam but we have most sizes/colors in all the f4 and a few tablet and full shapes in small sizes. Always load people up with stickers and stuff too when they order.
http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Wheels/Spitfire.htm (http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Wheels/Spitfire.htm)

bookmarked.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hellagood on February 20, 2014, 08:59:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqEjW3jFGFE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqEjW3jFGFE)

My bad if its been posted already but this is tight
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on February 24, 2014, 09:54:17 AM
Are they not going to make the f4's in Full or Tablet shapes anymore - didn't see these styles in the new teal/orange, only classic shape.
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Post by: b.v. on February 24, 2014, 10:00:36 AM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=68020.msg2096666#msg2096666 date=1393264457
Are they not going to make the f4's in Full or Tablet shapes anymore - didn't see these styles in the new teal/orange, only classic shape.
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Bumping this, anyone know when full shape or SFW formula fours will be around, got a set left but don't wanna burn through them if it'll be a while until new ones are around
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Taking longer than expected.
No definite date.

sorry dudes.
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Any chance of orange 99a SFW formula fours ever being made or are they just gonna keep them to the classic 101a?
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Post by: The Nose Face on February 24, 2014, 10:03:05 AM
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Are they not going to make the f4's in Full or Tablet shapes anymore - didn't see these styles in the new teal/orange, only classic shape.
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Bumping this, anyone know when full shape or SFW formula fours will be around, got a set left but don't wanna burn through them if it'll be a while until new ones are around
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Taking longer than expected.
No definite date.

sorry dudes.
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Any chance of orange 99a SFW formula fours ever being made or are they just gonna keep them to the classic 101a?
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Word, didn't realize...thanks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on February 24, 2014, 10:03:43 AM
No worries, i am also patiently waiting.
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Post by: fulfillthedream on February 25, 2014, 12:58:57 AM
No worries, i am also patiently waiting.

50 cent & Eminem - Patiently Waiting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4yYtwspOZ4&feature=kp#)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on February 25, 2014, 01:48:31 PM
I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?
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Post by: Spitfire4life on February 25, 2014, 05:33:09 PM
I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?
Haven't tried the 99's but I'm riding the 101's right now. They super good so far (had them for about 3 months). They are amazing all around, they slide on command and grip when you need it. My only problem is that I was hill bombing and did a powerslide and slipped out backwards and hit my head. They slide a lot! I'll probably get the 99's so I don't slip out anymore. But overall they are the best wheels I have ever ridden.
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Post by: dillanharp on February 25, 2014, 05:46:27 PM
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I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?
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Haven't tried the 99's but I'm riding the 101's right now. They super good so far (had them for about 3 months). They are amazing all around, they slide on command and grip when you need it. My only problem is that I was hill bombing and did a powerslide and slipped out backwards and hit my head. They slide a lot! I'll probably get the 99's so I don't slip out anymore. But overall they are the best wheels I have ever ridden.
Damn you gonna change your name now or what?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on February 25, 2014, 06:43:54 PM
I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?

ive ridden both and i definitely like the 101's better in the streets. theyre a little slick, but its a controlled slide. the 99's can be a bit sticky, especially in the streets. for indoor, or slippery parks the 99 will do best tho. be warned tho, the 101 is comparable to the slide of bones but with better grip, so if ur not tryna slip and slide with ease than get the 99's.
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Post by: max power on February 25, 2014, 09:51:46 PM
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I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?
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Haven't tried the 99's but I'm riding the 101's right now. They super good so far (had them for about 3 months). They are amazing all around, they slide on command and grip when you need it. My only problem is that I was hill bombing and did a powerslide and slipped out backwards and hit my head. They slide a lot! I'll probably get the 99's so I don't slip out anymore. But overall they are the best wheels I have ever ridden.
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Damn you gonna change your name now or what?
bearings?
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Post by: Spitfire4life on February 25, 2014, 10:00:21 PM
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I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?
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Haven't tried the 99's but I'm riding the 101's right now. They super good so far (had them for about 3 months). They are amazing all around, they slide on command and grip when you need it. My only problem is that I was hill bombing and did a powerslide and slipped out backwards and hit my head. They slide a lot! I'll probably get the 99's so I don't slip out anymore. But overall they are the best wheels I have ever ridden.
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Damn you gonna change your name now or what?
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bearings?
nope, wheels. Deffinetly gonna have to change my name haha
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Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on February 26, 2014, 06:16:43 PM
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I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?
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ive ridden both and i definitely like the 101's better in the streets. theyre a little slick, but its a controlled slide. the 99's can be a bit sticky, especially in the streets. for indoor, or slippery parks the 99 will do best tho. be warned tho, the 101 is comparable to the slide of bones but with better grip, so if ur not tryna slip and slide with ease than get the 99's.
Cool. Thank you both for the insight. I'm really in to those orange 101s but I don't think I'm good enough or Baker enough to rock them haha.
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Post by: Spitfireforlife on February 26, 2014, 07:14:00 PM
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I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?
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Haven't tried the 99's but I'm riding the 101's right now. They super good so far (had them for about 3 months). They are amazing all around, they slide on command and grip when you need it. My only problem is that I was hill bombing and did a powerslide and slipped out backwards and hit my head. They slide a lot! I'll probably get the 99's so I don't slip out anymore. But overall they are the best wheels I have ever ridden.
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Damn you gonna change your name now or what?
Couldn't figure out how to change my name, so I made a new account! Hey dudes!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SK8houses on February 26, 2014, 07:17:29 PM
chipped every set i have had of these, they are good though
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Post by: tangar on February 26, 2014, 09:06:31 PM
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I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?
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Haven't tried the 99's but I'm riding the 101's right now. They super good so far (had them for about 3 months). They are amazing all around, they slide on command and grip when you need it. My only problem is that I was hill bombing and did a powerslide and slipped out backwards and hit my head. They slide a lot! I'll probably get the 99's so I don't slip out anymore. But overall they are the best wheels I have ever ridden.
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Damn you gonna change your name now or what?
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Couldn't figure out how to change my name, so I made a new account! Hey dudes!
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lenny on February 27, 2014, 07:46:49 AM
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I think I'm going to pick up some new wheels for the spring sometime soon. I'm on 99s right now, but what are peoples opinions on the 101s? Are they better for the streets?
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Haven't tried the 99's but I'm riding the 101's right now. They super good so far (had them for about 3 months). They are amazing all around, they slide on command and grip when you need it. My only problem is that I was hill bombing and did a powerslide and slipped out backwards and hit my head. They slide a lot! I'll probably get the 99's so I don't slip out anymore. But overall they are the best wheels I have ever ridden.
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Damn you gonna change your name now or what?
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Couldn't figure out how to change my name, so I made a new account! Hey dudes!
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+1
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on February 27, 2014, 10:05:21 AM
i have a set of 53mm tablet shape 101 that have been barely skated if anyone is interested.... $20 shipped.  pm me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 06, 2014, 04:23:19 PM
For anyone who hasn't tried a set offering up 15% off our entire site for the pals.
Entire the coupon code SLAPPALS at check out.
http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Wheels/Spitfire.htm (http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Wheels/Spitfire.htm)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on March 06, 2014, 07:42:56 PM
Wow cool to see DLX staff bumping this thread everyday.

SPF/STF owns your shit
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Post by: shark tits on March 06, 2014, 07:48:04 PM
Wow cool to see DLX staff bumping this thread everyday.

SPF/STF owns your shit
heh, i'm waiting for rusty to start making a bigger wheel then that's all i'm gonna ride.
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Post by: Filip on March 07, 2014, 03:17:23 AM
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Wow cool to see DLX staff bumping this thread everyday.

SPF/STF owns your shit
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heh, i'm waiting for rusty to start making a bigger wheel then that's all i'm gonna ride.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on March 07, 2014, 07:25:49 AM
Wow cool to see DLX staff bumping this thread everyday.

SPF/STF owns your shit

somebody get this dude some F4's so he can SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY
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Post by: ThugWaffle on March 07, 2014, 10:11:04 AM
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Wow cool to see DLX staff bumping this thread everyday.

SPF/STF owns your shit
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somebody get this dude some F4's so he can SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY

He doesn't deserve them. Let him ride those plastic feeling bones wheels for all I care.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Glue Reed on March 07, 2014, 04:20:52 PM
Hey how are the 99's for park wheels?  i always ride the parkburners but wonder if i could use something a smidge faster. 

a while back i tried to switch to 101's and was sliding all over the place
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 07, 2014, 04:46:17 PM
Having ridden parkburners, street burners, classic 99s, hardlines, f4 101/99s, I can say the 99s are the best all around wheel spitfire makes.
They arent soft, super fast grip and the right amount of slide and I've had minimal issues with chipping/flatspots. And if you do deluxe takes care of it instantly.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on March 07, 2014, 08:46:10 PM
Hey how are the 99's for park wheels?  i always ride the parkburners but wonder if i could use something a smidge faster. 

a while back i tried to switch to 101's and was sliding all over the place
I mostly skate parks and I love my 99s. Good grip, fast, slide when I want em to.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on March 07, 2014, 09:00:13 PM
I've felt no need to skate the 101 F4's after trying out 2 sets of 99s.  No flatspots, no complaints.
I guess if you like a harder wheel, or is more used to a "slippery" wheel, 101s would be good too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweat stains on March 07, 2014, 09:11:14 PM
Been skating the 99s I'm on now for 6 months, and they look like shit, have chips out of them, and are super small but still skate like they're brand new. Best wheels ever.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on March 08, 2014, 02:05:14 AM
funny how some of you on here skated both prefer the 99s.. had the 99s for 3 months.. set up the 101s for about a month and put my old 99s back on. yeah the 99s are a good all around wheel in my experience.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: micky682 on March 08, 2014, 06:46:03 AM
Does Spitfire make Formula 4s in the SFW shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 08, 2014, 08:02:35 AM
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Are they not going to make the f4's in Full or Tablet shapes anymore - didn't see these styles in the new teal/orange, only classic shape.
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Bumping this, anyone know when full shape or SFW formula fours will be around, got a set left but don't wanna burn through them if it'll be a while until new ones are around
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Taking longer than expected.
No definite date.

sorry dudes.
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Does Spitfire make Formula 4s in the SFW shape?
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Read above mickey.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on March 08, 2014, 10:41:52 AM
I think I got some defective ones. Got the 101's for Christmas and have only skated an indoor park once or twice a week for the past month and a big chunk just came outta them last night. My previous ones ran me from April to this winter, and even then they still had life left.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: wallieD on March 08, 2014, 11:30:05 AM
Does Spitfire make Formula 4s in the SFW shape?
they're working on it. i loved the feel of the sfw, but they didn't hold up well for me. def going to be the next set i buy
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jonnysheen on March 08, 2014, 02:56:23 PM
flatspotted , i've just flatspotted them  >:(

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: silkyjohnson on March 08, 2014, 03:18:18 PM
flatspotted , i've just flatspotted them  >:(


Skate through it, it'll even out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 09, 2014, 10:50:15 AM
99's arrived on Friday, thanks Lenny!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1959552_608052272620966_1040215629_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 14, 2014, 09:26:45 PM
Open question, i never skated the street burners when they came out, found a set of SFW streetburners, how do they go comparable too the F4?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on March 15, 2014, 01:47:11 AM
99's arrived on Friday, thanks Lenny!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1959552_608052272620966_1040215629_n.jpg)

time to change your screen name.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 17, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
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99's arrived on Friday, thanks Lenny!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1959552_608052272620966_1040215629_n.jpg)
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time to change your screen name.
Been trying. How do you do it?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on March 18, 2014, 09:03:46 PM
Changed it for you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 18, 2014, 09:18:38 PM
Changed it for you.
Thanks dude!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on March 19, 2014, 12:11:59 AM
cant wait to see what happens when you try bones bushings.

bonesbushings4lyfe.

rizerpadz4lyfe.

FILA4life.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on March 19, 2014, 12:15:42 AM
Open question, i never skated the street burners when they came out, found a set of SFW streetburners, how do they go comparable too the F4?

When I first learned how to powerslide it was when the F1's came out.  They flatspotted really easily so I switched to bones.  I'm guessing the formula for F1's has changed over the years but if it's anything close to what they were before, I wouldn't bother.  Plus, they're coming out with SFW F4's anyways, I would just wait
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 19, 2014, 12:17:28 AM
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Open question, i never skated the street burners when they came out, found a set of SFW streetburners, how do they go comparable too the F4?
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When I first learned how to powerslide it was when the F1's came out.  They flatspotted really easily so I switched to bones.  I'm guessing the formula for F1's has changed over the years but if it's anything close to what they were before, I wouldn't bother.  Plus, they're coming out with SFW F4's anyways, I would just wait

Thanks man, i figured id try a set anyway, if they're shitty its no big loss, still going nuts waiting for these F4s though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IanBZHD on March 21, 2014, 01:04:53 PM
Been skating the 99's for the winter, mostly indoors. I flatspotted them and took a big chip outta one last weekend. Whats the conditions in which you should contact DLX? The flatspot isnt one of those roll-out flattys, its pretty squared off.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on March 21, 2014, 09:30:51 PM
Been skating the 99's for the winter, mostly indoors. I flatspotted them and took a big chip outta one last weekend. Whats the conditions in which you should contact DLX? The flatspot isnt one of those roll-out flattys, its pretty squared off.

http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)

Scroll down near the bottom. My wheel chipped and I wrote to them and they sent me a brand new set that I just set up today. Super helpful.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on March 22, 2014, 03:03:41 PM
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Been skating the 99's for the winter, mostly indoors. I flatspotted them and took a big chip outta one last weekend. Whats the conditions in which you should contact DLX? The flatspot isnt one of those roll-out flattys, its pretty squared off.
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http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)

Scroll down near the bottom. My wheel chipped and I wrote to them and they sent me a brand new set that I just set up today. Super helpful.

When it comes to defects, skate companies really come through, especially anything through NHS or DLX.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Morty Seinfeld on March 22, 2014, 05:08:13 PM
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Been skating the 99's for the winter, mostly indoors. I flatspotted them and took a big chip outta one last weekend. Whats the conditions in which you should contact DLX? The flatspot isnt one of those roll-out flattys, its pretty squared off.
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http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)

Scroll down near the bottom. My wheel chipped and I wrote to them and they sent me a brand new set that I just set up today. Super helpful.
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When it comes to defects, skate companies really come through, especially anything through NHS or DLX.

Never tried DLX for defects, even though I've had a few sets of Thunders break over the years, but I had a delaminated Santa Cruz board once and NHS handled that shit quick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on March 25, 2014, 03:33:00 PM
DLX has the best customer service on defects.  Reed a/k/a Lenny recently helped me out with a defect on a set of Manderson SFWs and had a new set back on my board w/in a week.  Can't be beat...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on March 25, 2014, 03:43:45 PM
Seems like Spitfire still doesn't have the recipe. Maybe by formula 8 or 9 they finally deal with the flatspot issue.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on March 25, 2014, 04:32:52 PM
Seems like Spitfire still doesn't have the recipe. Maybe by formula 8 or 9 they finally deal with the flatspot issue.

hah! I've seen plenty of flatspots on bones stf to know that defects happen to every company.  I still haven't flatspotted my two sets of F4's.  You can stick to your plastic wheels tho T-racer
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dead Art Collective on March 26, 2014, 12:26:50 AM
Has anyone fully flatspotted a pair for Formula 4s yet?
My old spitfires used to burn our pretty quick so I switched to STF's are the 4's better or just really slick?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on March 26, 2014, 12:31:12 AM
roughly 8 months in, no flatspots whatsoever, and i gave them a pretty hard time.

never switching to anything else again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on March 26, 2014, 07:06:01 AM
Has anyone fully flatspotted a pair for Formula 4s yet?
My old spitfires used to burn our pretty quick so I switched to STF's are the 4's better or just really slick?
much better
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on March 26, 2014, 07:39:20 AM
Has anyone fully flatspotted a pair for Formula 4s yet?
My old spitfires used to burn our pretty quick so I switched to STF's are the 4's better or just really slick?
I have seen a few sets flat, they aren't impervious to some people. But those guys will flat any wheel made.
You can't compare a classic or f1 urethane to f4's because they feel so different. The f4's definitely do not wear down quickly, and the 99's are the perfect mix of slide and grip imo. I've noticed we sell the 99s over the 101's probably 6 to 1. Having ridden both I could ride either and the difference is not night and day. But on the slicker skateparks here the 101's are a little sketchy. I think they are A better feeling wheel than stf's, not one person I've sold them to over bones has come back disappointed.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on March 26, 2014, 08:35:51 AM
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Has anyone fully flatspotted a pair for Formula 4s yet?
My old spitfires used to burn our pretty quick so I switched to STF's are the 4's better or just really slick?
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I have seen a few sets flat, they aren't impervious to some people. But those guys will flat any wheel made.
You can't compare a classic or f1 urethane to f4's because they feel so different. The f4's definitely do not wear down quickly, and the 99's are the perfect mix of slide and grip imo. I've noticed we sell the 99s over the 101's probably 6 to 1. Having ridden both I could ride either and the difference is not night and day. But on the slicker skateparks here the 101's are a little sketchy. I think they are A better feeling wheel than stf's, not one person I've sold them to over bones has come back disappointed.
I flatspotted both the 99s and the 101s, but it wasn't easy. I agree fully with the comparison. They feel very similar, but riding a smooth, dusty park like I do, I need the 99s if I want to haul ass while carving because on the 101s carving up a steep bank might spin you out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on March 31, 2014, 05:44:01 PM
Damn, just flat spotted my 99's. Gonna probably get some 55 Cardiel classics to save money.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tuna on April 01, 2014, 01:39:13 AM
doing long power slides at this smooth pebbly ground at a plaza in santa monica on sunday and now i have a bunch of small cut-like incisions on my wheels. still no flatspots though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on April 01, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
Damn, just flat spotted my 99's. Gonna probably get some 55 Cardiel classics to save money.

So it's back to Bones4life or you're still charmed by the Spitfire marketing schemes?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: wallieD on April 01, 2014, 11:42:28 AM
Damn, just flat spotted my 99's. Gonna probably get some 55 Cardiel classics to save money.
i think you also have a scuff mark on your shoe. better get a new pair asap.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 01, 2014, 12:32:04 PM
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Damn, just flat spotted my 99's. Gonna probably get some 55 Cardiel classics to save money.
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So it's back to Bones4life or you're still charmed by the Spitfire marketing schemes?
Still sticking with Spitfire. They sent me free wheels, so that's enough to keep me skating Spitfires forever.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 01, 2014, 12:32:47 PM
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Damn, just flat spotted my 99's. Gonna probably get some 55 Cardiel classics to save money.
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i think you also have a scuff mark on your shoe. better get a new pair asap.
It's just kind of annoying and distracting. I wanted to try a bigger size anyways.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on April 01, 2014, 03:18:48 PM
ive flatspotted like 4 pairs of these things...harder to flatspot than the other wheels but still not impossible...also they seem to wear down slower which is dank
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on April 01, 2014, 03:27:53 PM
Its impossible to trust this company until they have a flatspot guarantee.
 
SF locals make up 75% of this thread

Darkstar or Bones ONLY
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hash Slinging Slasher on April 01, 2014, 04:45:01 PM
Its impossible to trust this company until they have a flatspot guarantee.
 
SF locals make up 75% of this thread

Darkstar or Bones ONLY
Never even been close to SF. These wheels are the truth. Get your plastic Bones shit out of here.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on April 01, 2014, 05:28:43 PM
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Its impossible to trust this company until they have a flatspot guarantee.
 
SF locals make up 75% of this thread

Darkstar or Bones ONLY
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Never even been close to SF. These wheels are the truth. Get your plastic Bones shit out of here.
Plastic... What do you think wheels are made of dumbass? Oil?

I don't need my wheels to be super hard and loud to enjoy a session, I'd rather powerslide for days with bones.. They can last a full year even through heavy use, something FF can't do.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on April 01, 2014, 06:32:20 PM
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Its impossible to trust this company until they have a flatspot guarantee.
 
SF locals make up 75% of this thread

Darkstar or Bones ONLY
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Never even been close to SF. These wheels are the truth. Get your plastic Bones shit out of here.
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Plastic... What do you think wheels are made of dumbass? Oil?

I don't need my wheels to be super hard and loud to enjoy a session, I'd rather powerslide for days with bones.. They can last a full year even through heavy use, something FF can't do.


darkstar wheels? u fuckin KOOK
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 01, 2014, 06:38:33 PM
Not gonna lie, my Bones would last longer than my FF's. Spits feel better though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on April 01, 2014, 06:42:30 PM
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Its impossible to trust this company until they have a flatspot guarantee.
 
SF locals make up 75% of this thread

Darkstar or Bones ONLY
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Never even been close to SF. These wheels are the truth. Get your plastic Bones shit out of here.
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Plastic... What do you think wheels are made of dumbass? Oil?

I don't need my wheels to be super hard and loud to enjoy a session, I'd rather powerslide for days with bones.. They can last a full year even through heavy use, something FF can't do.

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darkstar wheels? u fuckin KOOK
Darkstar wheels are actually really fucking good, and carry a flatspot guarantee. My only issue with them is they're super round, and they've worked past that
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on April 02, 2014, 02:17:38 AM
Bones doesn't have a no flatspot guarantee anymore, and I just had a customerf come back whining about flatspotting his SPF's the first day...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Candygirl on April 02, 2014, 06:42:21 AM
I'm skating my formula 4's on a regular basis for the past 6 months.
They were 53mm and might have become 50-51mm now, which is not bad.

They wear down a little quicker than stf's (but only a little) and feel way better.
My next set of wheels will for sure be formula 4 again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on April 02, 2014, 07:41:07 AM
I don't get people complaining about Bones feeling like plastic, in case you didn't know, polyurethane is a thermoplastic. So complain all you want about the different feel of Bones or whatever brand, but do not complain about it feeling like plastic, because Spitfire are also made of plastic.
Those kind of comments reminds me of people saying chicken is not meat...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on April 02, 2014, 09:18:43 AM
I don't get people complaining about Bones feeling like plastic, in case you didn't know, polyurethane is a thermoplastic. So complain all you want about the different feel of Bones or whatever brand, but do not complain about it feeling like plastic, because Spitfire are also made of plastic.
Those kind of comments reminds me of people saying chicken is not meat...
No, those kind of comments are like people who prefer chicken that doesn't taste like shit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: NowhereInLife on April 02, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
Bones feel more like really hard slidable rubber to me, which brings to mind this "rebound" people mention.  I like that because you seem to lose less speed on imperfect surfaces, like that quarter millimeter of bounce keeps you going.  f4s feel more like plastic to me, I had the 99 classic and 101 tablet.  Both pretty remarkable wheels for their durability but I switched back to stf and gave the 99's to my nephew.  The regular classics feel the best to me, and I always go back to them at some point too.

I think people get caught up in the "f4's are the stf killer" idea, but they are both excellent wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on April 03, 2014, 11:47:44 AM


I think people get caught up in the "f4's are the stf killer" idea, but they are both excellent wheels.
This, stf's are still reallt good, I'd just rather support Dlx and our dlx-dist over skateone/powell...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on April 03, 2014, 03:12:42 PM
^^
it doesn't matter if stf are good, they look plastic.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pinche gringo on April 03, 2014, 08:22:59 PM
^ I can't stand wheels that look like plastic.

I finally changed my wheels. The F4's I was previously riding held up great and kept their size well. They softened up a bit over time, which I would expect of any wheel. I'd like to try the 101's. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 08, 2014, 02:55:17 AM
Shop guys / Lenny, any news on the molds for the wider versions as of yet?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: phatwheelz on April 08, 2014, 10:08:29 AM
word I'm really anxious to get f4 sfw's.  I like the regular sfw's but mine are splitting and cracking on the sides of the wheels.  I've had 4 sets total and this is the second set it's happened to.  Love the way these wheels feel and ride but it's a bit of a bummer.  I have a set of classic formula 4's and they hold up well but I'm so used to the wides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on April 09, 2014, 07:51:51 PM
how do the mint ones look after being skated? anyone riding them?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dead Art Collective on April 09, 2014, 09:17:13 PM
Are they bringing back the tablets I haven't seen any since the release
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on April 10, 2014, 08:02:39 AM
We're working on the SFW shape still.

No official date yet, but I promise they are coming soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on April 10, 2014, 12:40:10 PM
word I'm really anxious to get f4 sfw's.  I like the regular sfw's but mine are splitting and cracking on the sides of the wheels.  I've had 4 sets total and this is the second set it's happened to.  Love the way these wheels feel and ride but it's a bit of a bummer.  I have a set of classic formula 4's and they hold up well but I'm so used to the wides.
The full shape that they made was pretty much identical. I wish they continued making them though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on April 10, 2014, 01:25:59 PM
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word I'm really anxious to get f4 sfw's.  I like the regular sfw's but mine are splitting and cracking on the sides of the wheels.  I've had 4 sets total and this is the second set it's happened to.  Love the way these wheels feel and ride but it's a bit of a bummer.  I have a set of classic formula 4's and they hold up well but I'm so used to the wides.
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The full shape that they made was pretty much identical. I wish they continued making them though.
The sfw shape is a bit wider than the full shape.
(http://www.dlxsf.com/summer12/sf/SPITFIRE/sf-cat-summer12-15.jpg)
(http://www.noteshop.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/580x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/p/spitfire-formula-four-wheels-99-du-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 10, 2014, 05:43:02 PM
Cheers Lenny, hope too see them soon, thanks for the info
And yeah SFW is a little wider, and the riding surface is wider too I think
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on April 10, 2014, 10:03:02 PM
We're working on the SFW shape still.

No official date yet, but I promise they are coming soon.

I'm curious, how's the process any different  from the other wheels shapes?? Isn't it as simple as putting ''F4''urethane in the regular SFW molds?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: j_u_i_c_y on April 16, 2014, 02:59:56 AM
been on STFs for years, set up 101 F4s yesterday. feel much better than bones, but somehow took a big chip out of the wheel skating a smooth concrete floor. im guessing i got a dodgy one and not all of them are like that but its pretty annoying
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Filip on April 16, 2014, 05:47:40 AM
Im skating STFs right now, and love em. I cant see myself skating a softer wheel anytime soon, but Id love to skate some Spits. Are the 101 F4 comparable to STFs in any way? Or are they more slippery?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 19, 2014, 01:02:27 AM
Just set up my last full shape set, gonna make them last as long as possible, hopefully new fuller shapes are out sooner rather than later, i forgot just how great these wheels feel under my feet
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tony volume on April 19, 2014, 02:01:06 AM
i just set up the 56mm 101's, so far its been amazing. going so fucking fast! the other day i skated moraga park and berkeley skatepark. got speed wobbles in the moraga bowl. i also have had this set of Super swiss 6 for a few years, and just cleaned em last week. the combo of cleaned bearings/new 101's are amazing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on April 19, 2014, 11:51:38 AM
Just set up my last full shape set, gonna make them last as long as possible, hopefully new fuller shapes are out sooner rather than later, i forgot just how great these wheels feel under my feet

idk how you even wear those wheels down. 99 full lasts forever
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on April 19, 2014, 01:36:20 PM
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word I'm really anxious to get f4 sfw's.  I like the regular sfw's but mine are splitting and cracking on the sides of the wheels.  I've had 4 sets total and this is the second set it's happened to.  Love the way these wheels feel and ride but it's a bit of a bummer.  I have a set of classic formula 4's and they hold up well but I'm so used to the wides.
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The full shape that they made was pretty much identical. I wish they continued making them though.
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The sfw shape is a bit wider than the full shape.
Yea that's why I said pretty much identical. I just got some new sfws and I am so hyped to skate them. I think I like the way they feel more then the full shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 19, 2014, 07:44:20 PM
(http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/dec49baac5c511e397f124be058c31b0_8.jpg)

So, i saw these floating around instagram, looks like an SFW too me  ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on April 20, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
(http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/dec49baac5c511e397f124be058c31b0_8.jpg)

So, i saw these floating around instagram, looks like an SFW too me  ;D

oooo I need to replace one of my F4's (They still haven't flatspotted yet, but the pre-release team editions feel a little softer for my preferences).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheRealDeal on April 20, 2014, 09:06:02 PM
I'm on my first set of formula four's and I just can't get into the 99 duro...'that little bit of softness just makes my set up feel soggy and heavy...I'm probably gonna set up these AVE full shape street burner lock-ins that are 100du...man,  I wish I didn't care so much about the nuanced differences of skate product.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: soccer mom on April 20, 2014, 09:19:05 PM
Summer drop please, so I can get more 101 tablets! Best wheel ever for sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 21, 2014, 12:59:21 AM
I'm on my first set of formula four's and I just can't get into the 99 duro...'that little bit of softness just makes my set up feel soggy and heavy...I'm probably gonna set up these AVE full shape street burner lock-ins that are 100du...man,  I wish I didn't care so much about the nuanced differences of skate product.

theres a world of a difference between the 99s and 101s.having skated both the 101s are super fucking slick compared to the 99s..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: micky682 on April 21, 2014, 10:34:34 AM
If I making the switch from Bones STF to possibly Spitfire F4 or SFW, which wheels would feel similar to the STF's?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: filmthis on April 21, 2014, 11:08:48 AM
If I making the switch from Bones STF to possibly Spitfire F4 or SFW, which wheels would feel similar to the STF's?
personally, i have more control with the 101's, but i've only gotten kickdown prototypes that've already been "broken in"..

i had a pair of 99's out of the plastic, and bombed a hill right after setting them up. went to powerslide and it was like ice.


you decide. i'd say 101's are the way to go, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on April 21, 2014, 04:13:05 PM
If I making the switch from Bones STF to possibly Spitfire F4 or SFW, which wheels would feel similar to the STF's?

definitely the 101, the 99's are closer to a grippy wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hydrant hopper on April 21, 2014, 04:22:11 PM
i had a pair of 99's out of the plastic, and bombed a hill right after setting them up. went to powerslide and it was like ice.

Wouldn't the 101s be even more slippery?  I ride the 99s and they are a really good median between grippy and slippery (more on the slippery side).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 21, 2014, 09:50:26 PM
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i had a pair of 99's out of the plastic, and bombed a hill right after setting them up. went to powerslide and it was like ice.
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Wouldn't the 101s be even more slippery?  I ride the 99s and they are a really good median between grippy and slippery (more on the slippery side).

yes the 101s are a lot more slick. the 99s are more grippy in my experience.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on April 22, 2014, 07:39:46 AM
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i had a pair of 99's out of the plastic, and bombed a hill right after setting them up. went to powerslide and it was like ice.
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Wouldn't the 101s be even more slippery?  I ride the 99s and they are a really good median between grippy and slippery (more on the slippery side).

yea he said he wants a similiar feel to stf's, which would DEF be the 101
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: m477 on April 22, 2014, 11:12:30 AM
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i had a pair of 99's out of the plastic, and bombed a hill right after setting them up. went to powerslide and it was like ice.
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Wouldn't the 101s be even more slippery?  I ride the 99s and they are a really good median between grippy and slippery (more on the slippery side).
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yea he said he wants a similiar feel to stf's, which would DEF be the 101
Agree.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: micky682 on April 22, 2014, 01:24:57 PM
How do the SFWs feel? Never had a pair of Spits and the only shape I've ridden is the bones stf  v2, want to branch out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 22, 2014, 06:50:31 PM
How do the SFWs feel? Never had a pair of Spits and the only shape I've ridden is the bones stf  v2, want to branch out.

if you want a nice wide wheel then give them a shot,  SFWs are the wheel shape i wanted before i even knew i wanted them, a lot of wheel surface thats actually rolling along the ground, when they wear down they get even squarer, never had any problem locking into grinds with them and they still feel pretty light. Gonna grab a set of the grant taylor swirl ones once theyre out and mix and match them with some manderson whites. overall they're my favorite wheel ever  :-*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 22, 2014, 10:06:55 PM
Got some Bones STF's for my birthday. They feel pretty shitty compared to Spitfire. Gonna ride them out anyways, but I'm looking forward to getting some Classics after that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on April 24, 2014, 12:10:14 PM
Got some f4 sfw samples today, so excited to set them up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo2-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo1-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 24, 2014, 05:54:59 PM
Oh you lucky bastard ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 24, 2014, 06:21:56 PM
I've never had the SFW's, what is it about them that you all love? I'd like to try a pair.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: oldgoodburger on April 24, 2014, 07:36:40 PM
i like bones stf's better than the formula fours for street but for park spitfire parkburners all fucking day
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on April 24, 2014, 08:24:53 PM
I've never had the SFW's, what is it about them that you all love? I'd like to try a pair.

nice and wide and stable, all terrain wheel shape. i found it harder to slappy with em tho, but it was a nice change. now i stick with the classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on April 24, 2014, 09:44:16 PM
Got some f4 sfw samples today, so excited to set them up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo2-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo1-2.jpg)
I love the SFW shape, it's so good. I can't imagine how great it'd be in the f4 formula.
Any feedback or release date would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gaunting on April 24, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
Got some f4 sfw samples today, so excited to set them up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo2-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo1-2.jpg)

Far too wide for my taste.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on April 25, 2014, 07:16:11 AM
They are indeed wide, i like them a lot.
These arent marked for a durometer but they slide well and feel like the 99's.
No word on a release date but if samples are out then the release shouldnt be to far out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dr Steve Brule on April 25, 2014, 04:34:35 PM
I've been skating classics pretty much exclusively for the last ten years.  So I have to ask, what are the benefits of different shaped wheels?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Willie on April 25, 2014, 05:05:13 PM
I had some wide Bones DTFs that looked like that after they wore down. They sucked for grinds because they ate up a lot of hanger real estate, especially on an 8" truck.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 25, 2014, 06:32:21 PM
I've been skating classics pretty much exclusively for the last ten years.  So I have to ask, what are the benefits of different shaped wheels?

Theres no real benefit i would think, personally i just like the feel of more wheel on the actual ground and the wider profile looks/feels more stable than the classic shape too me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: micky682 on April 25, 2014, 06:53:55 PM
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I've been skating classics pretty much exclusively for the last ten years.  So I have to ask, what are the benefits of different shaped wheels?
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Theres no real benefit i would think, personally i just like the feel of more wheel on the actual ground and the wider profile looks/feels more stable than the classic shape too me
Do they grind differently?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 25, 2014, 07:16:27 PM
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I've been skating classics pretty much exclusively for the last ten years.  So I have to ask, what are the benefits of different shaped wheels?
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Theres no real benefit i would think, personally i just like the feel of more wheel on the actual ground and the wider profile looks/feels more stable than the classic shape too me
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Do they grind differently?

i've never noticed them affect my grinds
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on April 26, 2014, 11:20:37 AM
I had some wide Bones DTFs that looked like that after they wore down. They sucked for grinds because they ate up a lot of hanger real estate, especially on an 8" truck.

word i used to ride sfw's with 149's, i dont think i would ride em with 139s tho
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ontheswarm on April 26, 2014, 12:30:24 PM
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I've been skating classics pretty much exclusively for the last ten years.  So I have to ask, what are the benefits of different shaped wheels?
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Theres no real benefit i would think, personally i just like the feel of more wheel on the actual ground and the wider profile looks/feels more stable than the classic shape too me
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Do they grind differently?
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i've never noticed them affect my grinds
In my opinion I have noticed it helps with locking in grind tricks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: b.v. on April 26, 2014, 01:22:16 PM
Agreed, any wheel with a flat edge locks in way better vs a radius cut that releases from coping,ledges etc.
Most people just like the aesthetic of the sidecut i think, because if you check the actual riding surface they are usually close.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 27, 2014, 04:56:08 PM
I'm still waiting for the 99a fulls to come back around - what's going on DLX, everything is taking forever to get to market ;P
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Enjoi San Jose on April 27, 2014, 07:27:21 PM
thinking about getting a set but not sure whether to get the 99a or 101 a duro. is there a big difference between the two? and can i still skate street with the 99s, i dont want a terribly slippery wheel (one of the reasons im ditching stfs) any advice would cool, thanks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on April 27, 2014, 08:13:01 PM
thinking about getting a set but not sure whether to get the 99a or 101 a duro. is there a big difference between the two? and can i still skate street with the 99s, i dont want a terribly slippery wheel (one of the reasons im ditching stfs) any advice would cool, thanks
I'd go with the 99's if I were you. I've had both and the 99's seemed to be the best all around. You get a good grip, but still can do powerslides and whatnot. 99's are the best.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on April 27, 2014, 11:20:20 PM
i havent tried the 101s but i havent had a problem with the 99s skating Roosevelt, Red or Fremont parks. Also skating some street downtown SJ and some other random spots has been fine, good slide and lots of control i love em.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on April 28, 2014, 01:40:50 AM
Got some f4 sfw samples today, so excited to set them up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo2-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo1-2.jpg)
(http://i59.tinypic.com/rbd63b.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pissedead on April 28, 2014, 05:36:00 PM
 :'(
(http://origincache-frc.fbcdn.net/10299760_1463500543887036_1828013843_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Enjoi San Jose on April 28, 2014, 05:49:55 PM
thanks for the feedback dudes gonna give em a try
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dr Steve Brule on April 28, 2014, 06:29:44 PM
:'(
flatspot picture

How did you do that?  I'm sure they'll send you a new set
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 28, 2014, 06:57:25 PM
That's either a MASSIVE powerslide FS or you did it deliberately.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: skateboardnorth on April 28, 2014, 07:31:42 PM
The board probably got run over by a car or something.  That's way too big of a flatspot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: m477 on April 28, 2014, 08:27:00 PM
The board probably got run over by a car or something.  That's way too big of a flatspot.

That or a belt sander.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: silkyjohnson on April 28, 2014, 08:45:08 PM
:'(

Bullshit, you looking for a new wheel handout or something?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sleepypancakes on April 28, 2014, 10:56:19 PM
:'(
(http://origincache-frc.fbcdn.net/10299760_1463500543887036_1828013843_n.jpg)
What did you do? Powerslide a fucking treadmill?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pissedead on April 28, 2014, 11:24:20 PM
The board probably got run over by a car or something.  That's way too big of a flatspot.

yep
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wizard Fight on April 29, 2014, 12:00:48 AM
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(http://origincache-frc.fbcdn.net/10299760_1463500543887036_1828013843_n.jpg)
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What did you do? Powerslide a fucking treadmill?

(http://theawesomer.com/photos/2013/06/square_skateboard_wheels_t.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: j_u_i_c_y on April 29, 2014, 03:56:29 PM
mine are badly chunked and doesn't look like they're getting replaced... i think its down to Shiner Dist (UK) rather than DLX, but still, probably means i'll be going back to bones which is a shame as i loved the feel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 04, 2014, 09:24:15 PM
Rode my old setup with the 99's today and I can honestly say that they are the best wheels ever. They felt so much better than the Bones I got for my birthday and they slide just as good. I'm back on those for sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 26, 2014, 08:43:51 PM
Don't know if Lenny still lurks around but any word on the SFW shape yet, US summer is around the corner, can i get my hopes up that they'll be out soon?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on May 26, 2014, 09:39:51 PM
Don't know if Lenny still lurks around but any word on the SFW shape yet, US summer is around the corner, can i get my hopes up that they'll be out soon?

I'm excited.  I'm finally moving back up to south bay so I'll be making plenty of trips to the city (and DLX).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on May 27, 2014, 08:05:54 AM
Don't know if Lenny still lurks around but any word on the SFW shape yet, US summer is around the corner, can i get my hopes up that they'll be out soon?

I'm still lurking.

The SFW's are very close to production, I still can't give a release date, but they ARE coming.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Leyzee Emcea on May 27, 2014, 08:14:14 AM
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Don't know if Lenny still lurks around but any word on the SFW shape yet, US summer is around the corner, can i get my hopes up that they'll be out soon?
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I'm still lurking.

The SFW's are very close to production, I still can't give a release date, but they ARE coming.
Thank. you. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 27, 2014, 04:07:05 PM
Awesome, thanks again Lenny!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on May 28, 2014, 11:57:31 AM
Ever since the F4s came out I pretty much just go back and forth between the F4s and STFs ; I'll get STFs, then after they wear out I'll buy F4s, and so on and so forth.
I did however buy a set of 53mm shop wheels on a whim earlier in the month; worst decision ever. They're so sluggish and laggy feeling, if that makes sense, and they almost feel a bit too rubbery. Luckily a friend of mine gave me a set of used F4 101As (54mms but they're more like 51mms now), probably gonna squeeze a few more sessions in with the shop wheels, then maybe hand em down to a homie who's in need of wheels, and then set up the F4s. I'm never making that mistake again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 04, 2014, 06:33:18 PM
I'm still hunting for Fulls....switched over to Autobahn for a while...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: soccer mom on June 18, 2014, 10:59:52 PM
where did the tablets go?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sufodiv on June 18, 2014, 11:16:51 PM
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Got some f4 sfw samples today, so excited to set them up.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo2-2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/photo1-2.jpg)
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(http://i59.tinypic.com/rbd63b.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on June 18, 2014, 11:23:53 PM
Hopefully formula 5 or 6 gets better, seeing all these mega flatspots. Noone has shit on bones after all these years
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on June 19, 2014, 12:41:50 PM
Hopefully formula 5 or 6 gets better, seeing all these mega flatspots. Noone has shit on bones after all these years
I flatspoted some Bones STF. Not to the point where you can see it, but you can feel and hear it. Good excuse to retire them and get some SFW's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on June 19, 2014, 08:41:09 PM
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Hopefully formula 5 or 6 gets better, seeing all these mega flatspots. Noone has shit on bones after all these years
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I flatspoted some Bones STF. Not to the point where you can see it, but you can feel and hear it. Good excuse to retire them and get some SFW's.
I flatspot bones all the time, but never to the point where they're unrideable. You can roll the flatspots out pretty easy
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Durndle on July 06, 2014, 02:31:15 AM
can somebody explain the difference between 99a vs 101a?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nacnud on July 06, 2014, 02:47:52 AM
can somebody explain the difference between 99a vs 101a?

about 3 more a's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rlang on July 06, 2014, 11:01:45 AM
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can somebody explain the difference between 99a vs 101a?
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about 3 more a's

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Durndle on July 06, 2014, 02:53:29 PM
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can somebody explain the difference between 99a vs 101a?
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about 3 more a's
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thank you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on July 07, 2014, 01:19:25 AM
can somebody explain the difference between 99a vs 101a?

i skated both. the 99a's are really grippy right when you set em up, don't really need to break em in. after 5 months i noticed small bits of the wheel came out- no difference in how they performed. amazing wheels. the 101a's were super slick at first, once i broke em in they were really well..pretty solid and strong. so basically the difference i noticed was you didn't need to really break in the 99a's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Carrolls Chesthairs on July 09, 2014, 10:16:53 AM
can somebody explain the difference between 99a vs 101a?

101s were pretty slippy at first.
I've heard 99s are the way to go but I like being able to powerslide at a moments notice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on July 09, 2014, 03:52:11 PM
the 99s powerslide just fine. They feel like how Spitfires should feel like. The F4 99s remind me of the classics back in the 90s when Spitfires were unfuckwithable...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on July 25, 2014, 11:59:24 PM
i like the 101's but i am finding them to be kinda too slidey on certain ground. i had the 99's before in full shape and they were too grippy, but now im wondering if its cus of how wide they were? i dont really wanna go back to streetburners, even though 100 duro is nice, but would it be worth it to try out the 99's in classic?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: @thewilleasley on July 26, 2014, 12:19:30 AM
i like the 101's but i am finding them to be kinda too slidey on certain ground. i had the 99's before in full shape and they were too grippy, but now im wondering if its cus of how wide they were? i dont really wanna go back to streetburners, even though 100 duro is nice, but would it be worth it to try out the 99's in classic?

had the exact same problem when i first tried out the 101's but in my opinion the 99s in the classic shape is like the perfect wheel. they slide well when you want them too but isn't nearly as "slippery" feeling on smoother ground as the 101's were in my experience.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 26, 2014, 12:23:04 AM
Hey lenny, i saw on here SFW 4s are gonna be out next month, can you elaborate on a date yet??  :-*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Slappy_Happy on July 26, 2014, 12:49:41 PM
can you elaborate on a date yet??  :-*

I second this.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on July 29, 2014, 07:53:20 AM
Hey lenny, i saw on here SFW 4s are gonna be out next month, can you elaborate on a date yet??  :-*

Right now we are shooting for mid August.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 29, 2014, 03:53:57 PM
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Hey lenny, i saw on here SFW 4s are gonna be out next month, can you elaborate on a date yet??  :-*
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Right now we are shooting for mid August.

Fuck yeah buddy!, I already know I'm scooping up as many sets as I can. Lenny you're the man!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 4wheels on July 29, 2014, 06:14:02 PM
saw some dude riding around the park with the 99 SFW's. looked pretty good
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: m477 on July 29, 2014, 06:56:41 PM
Are the 101 tablets still available? Can't find them anywhere.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 29, 2014, 07:46:53 PM
Are the 101 tablets still available? Can't find them anywhere.

DLX discontinued the F4 tablet for the SFW F4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bill on August 04, 2014, 12:35:25 PM
I bought some f4 a couple of days ago and have had quite a few chunks come off. They also are cracking in a few places. I love the way they feel, but I was wondering if this is normal for them. I only skate my local park and I'm not to hard on them. I know this sounds silly but I'm kinda bummed on the quality and don't want to go back to Bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 04, 2014, 01:10:25 PM
I bought some f4 a couple of days ago and have had quite a few chunks come off. They also are cracking in a few places. I love the way they feel, but I was wondering if this is normal for them. I only skate my local park and I'm not to hard on them. I know this sounds silly but I'm kinda bummed on the quality and don't want to go back to Bones.
That's not normal, I had a similar problem with one set of the 101 and they were replaced with 99s when I sent them in. Which I was quite pleased with btw, thanks nate!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on August 04, 2014, 01:16:52 PM
skated my 101s on lotsa rough spots, that doesnt seem normal.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sports on August 04, 2014, 07:19:02 PM
is there another shape for F4 99A wheel for the upcoming drop besides the classic and SFW? a tablet or SFslightlylesswide would be nice, but maybe thats just me...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on August 04, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
Here are the new specs for the updated f4 shapes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/821f7883-c4c3-4871-af9c-77059516e995.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 04, 2014, 09:12:07 PM
Good man, really appreciate that ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 04, 2014, 09:15:22 PM
is there another shape for F4 99A wheel for the upcoming drop besides the classic and SFW? a tablet or SFslightlylesswide would be nice, but maybe thats just me...
Classics aren't exactly narrow.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 04, 2014, 09:22:43 PM
is there another shape for F4 99A wheel for the upcoming drop besides the classic and SFW? a tablet or SFslightlylesswide would be nice, but maybe thats just me...

Near as i can tell, the conical standard would be the middle ground and the conical full is the SFW
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 05, 2014, 05:38:41 AM
i love the spitfire classic shape..how is the shift from those to the conical shape? i gotta new set of the 99f4's but am curious to try conical shapes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 05, 2014, 05:44:22 AM
i love the spitfire classic shape..how is the shift from those to the conical shape? i gotta new set of the 99f4's but am curious to try conical shapes

I tried a set of parkburners on someone elses board the other day and they felt way too narrow now ive been on conicals for ages, locking into things seemed easier with the squarer wheels, i can't wait too see how these new ones work out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 05, 2014, 05:49:53 AM
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i love the spitfire classic shape..how is the shift from those to the conical shape? i gotta new set of the 99f4's but am curious to try conical shapes
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I tried a set of parkburners on someone elses board the other day and they felt way too narrow now ive been on conicals for ages, locking into things seemed easier with the squarer wheels, i can't wait too see how these new ones work out

sick! thanks for the feedback.. does spitfire still do the "lock in" wheels- which are like the conical but only on one side?
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Post by: Paco Supreme on August 05, 2014, 06:04:09 AM
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i love the spitfire classic shape..how is the shift from those to the conical shape? i gotta new set of the 99f4's but am curious to try conical shapes
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I tried a set of parkburners on someone elses board the other day and they felt way too narrow now ive been on conicals for ages, locking into things seemed easier with the squarer wheels, i can't wait too see how these new ones work out
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sick! thanks for the feedback.. does spitfire still do the "lock in" wheels- which are like the conical but only on one side?

i think AVE has some signature ones out now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: timv on August 05, 2014, 11:23:52 AM
Both sets of mine (51mm and 53mm, both 99's) did that to me, I sent the 53's in for warranty but haven't heard back yet, only been 5 or so days.
I'm riding stf's right now and they show no signs of this.
Have a set of wreck's to try next.
I bought some f4 a couple of days ago and have had quite a few chunks come off. They also are cracking in a few places. I love the way they feel, but I was wondering if this is normal for them. I only skate my local park and I'm not to hard on them. I know this sounds silly but I'm kinda bummed on the quality and don't want to go back to Bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bill on August 05, 2014, 02:10:11 PM
I have to admit they slide extremely well and I can't flat spot them. Since they started to chip my friends and I have purposefully tried to flat spot them with no damage whatsoever. I'm sure Deluxe will work out any kinks with the chipping problem over time. If it cost me a little extra money for new wheels then it is worth it. I was riding my friends board with Bones Spf and they didn't feel good at all. I love to be able to do quick power slides without to much effort. The reason I started riding Bones was that I started to skate parks mostly and the concrete was killing my wheels. Also I think as I get older I dwell to much on gear and start to notice things I wouldn't have when I was younger. I skated so much that my stuff would wear out before I could notice any imperfections. It seems now I'm looking for a skateboard product equivalent of the fountain of youth. If I find that concave, wheel, or shape I will get my old tricks back! Thanks for your feedback and have a great day everybody!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sports on August 05, 2014, 02:22:37 PM
Here are the new specs for the updated f4 shapes.

nice, thanks!

looks like conical 99 will be purrrrrfect
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: timv on August 05, 2014, 02:25:45 PM
Coincidence or not I received an email that they are shipping my replacement set about 15 minutes after I posted here!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on August 05, 2014, 02:46:33 PM
Coincidence or not I received an email that they are shipping my replacement set about 15 minutes after I posted here!
Yup, as expected.
The best dudes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: epiclystellar on August 05, 2014, 04:19:04 PM
Here are the new specs for the updated f4 shapes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/821f7883-c4c3-4871-af9c-77059516e995.jpg)
Anybody know the release date on the conicals?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 05, 2014, 04:35:40 PM
LennyDLX said mid august
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Toadfish Rebecchi on August 05, 2014, 05:02:24 PM
the 99s powerslide just fine. They feel like how Spitfires should feel like. The F4 99s remind me of the classics back in the 90s when Spitfires were unfuckwithable...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2014, 05:42:43 PM
Mmmm conical or conical full....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Willie on August 05, 2014, 05:53:50 PM
Now I don't know if I want Conicals or the 55.5mm "Underground" wheels...


http://www.spitfirewheels.com/keepingtheundergroundlit/ (http://www.spitfirewheels.com/keepingtheundergroundlit/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2014, 08:40:59 PM
Also I think as I get older I dwell to much on gear and start to notice things I wouldn't have when I was younger. I skated so much that my stuff would wear out before I could notice any imperfections. It seems now I'm looking for a skateboard product equivalent of the fountain of youth. If I find that concave, wheel, or shape I will get my old tricks back! Thanks for your feedback and have a great day everybody!

I, too, am looking for the holy grail ;) Seriously, I'm the exact same way and I'm VERY close.

8.5"x32.5" + 14.75/15" WB, Fat nose and tail (like Anti Hero shapes but not anti hero dimensions) - Anyone give me a brand like that that isn't elephant?
Theeves for street ACEs for bowls
Spit F4s - classics for now but I think that conical my be the clincher - I've always hated the STF feel and autobahns don't slide like the F4s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on August 06, 2014, 05:10:36 PM
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Also I think as I get older I dwell to much on gear and start to notice things I wouldn't have when I was younger. I skated so much that my stuff would wear out before I could notice any imperfections. It seems now I'm looking for a skateboard product equivalent of the fountain of youth. If I find that concave, wheel, or shape I will get my old tricks back! Thanks for your feedback and have a great day everybody!
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I, too, am looking for the holy grail ;) Seriously, I'm the exact same way and I'm VERY close.

8.5"x32.5" + 14.75/15" WB, Fat nose and tail (like Anti Hero shapes but not anti hero dimensions) - Anyone give me a brand like that that isn't elephant?
Theeves for street ACEs for bowls
Spit F4s - classics for now but I think that conical my be the clincher - I've always hated the STF feel and autobahns don't slide like the F4s.
http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Skate_Warehouse_Blank_V-Natural_Deck/descpage-SWNHDK.html (http://www.skatewarehouse.com/Skate_Warehouse_Blank_V-Natural_Deck/descpage-SWNHDK.html)
http://www.warehouseskateboards.com/enjoi-resin-7-whitey-panda-skateboard-deck-8.5x32.5 (http://www.warehouseskateboards.com/enjoi-resin-7-whitey-panda-skateboard-deck-8.5x32.5)
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=47719 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=47719)
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=46766 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=46766)

Not sure on the wheelbases or shapes, but the rest of the dimensions are there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on August 06, 2014, 06:22:45 PM
Here you go, jake johnson 8.5 x 32.75 w/ a 15 in wb
http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Decks/AlienWorkshop/p/Alien-Workshop-Johnson-Sacred-Geometry-85-x-3275-x3618480.htm (http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Decks/AlienWorkshop/p/Alien-Workshop-Johnson-Sacred-Geometry-85-x-3275-x3618480.htm)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Powdered Toast Man! on August 13, 2014, 07:06:51 PM
F4's 5 months of use
once 54mm classics 101 duro, now they're 40 something and tablets
never had a problem and still roll smooth
f4's rule
(http://i57.tinypic.com/34y8igg.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2vmisky.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Glue Reed on August 13, 2014, 07:55:10 PM
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Also I think as I get older I dwell to much on gear and start to notice things I wouldn't have when I was younger. I skated so much that my stuff would wear out before I could notice any imperfections. It seems now I'm looking for a skateboard product equivalent of the fountain of youth. If I find that concave, wheel, or shape I will get my old tricks back! Thanks for your feedback and have a great day everybody!
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I, too, am looking for the holy grail ;) Seriously, I'm the exact same way and I'm VERY close.

8.5"x32.5" + 14.75/15" WB, Fat nose and tail (like Anti Hero shapes but not anti hero dimensions) - Anyone give me a brand like that that isn't elephant?
Theeves for street ACEs for bowls
Spit F4s - classics for now but I think that conical my be the clincher - I've always hated the STF feel and autobahns don't slide like the F4s.

not quite to the specific dimensions, but Anti-Hero (and real, krooked) have an 8.43 with a 32.57 length and a 14.75 wheelbase.  It's pretty much the only board I can ride at this point, everything seems tiny in comparison.  the 0.07 is not noticable
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2014, 01:05:36 PM
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Also I think as I get older I dwell to much on gear and start to notice things I wouldn't have when I was younger. I skated so much that my stuff would wear out before I could notice any imperfections. It seems now I'm looking for a skateboard product equivalent of the fountain of youth. If I find that concave, wheel, or shape I will get my old tricks back! Thanks for your feedback and have a great day everybody!
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I, too, am looking for the holy grail ;) Seriously, I'm the exact same way and I'm VERY close.

8.5"x32.5" + 14.75/15" WB, Fat nose and tail (like Anti Hero shapes but not anti hero dimensions) - Anyone give me a brand like that that isn't elephant?
Theeves for street ACEs for bowls
Spit F4s - classics for now but I think that conical my be the clincher - I've always hated the STF feel and autobahns don't slide like the F4s.
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not quite to the specific dimensions, but Anti-Hero (and real, krooked) have an 8.43 with a 32.57 length and a 14.75 wheelbase.  It's pretty much the only board I can ride at this point, everything seems tiny in comparison.  the 0.07 is not noticable

Thanks for the tip! AH have my favorite shapes, I'll have to be on the lookout for one of these!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 15, 2014, 02:07:35 PM
It's mid august, the ad is in thrasher, where they at?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 15, 2014, 05:06:16 PM
It's mid august, the ad is in thrasher, where they at?

Saw them on a few shops instagrams. they're out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Glue Reed on August 16, 2014, 04:02:25 PM
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Also I think as I get older I dwell to much on gear and start to notice things I wouldn't have when I was younger. I skated so much that my stuff would wear out before I could notice any imperfections. It seems now I'm looking for a skateboard product equivalent of the fountain of youth. If I find that concave, wheel, or shape I will get my old tricks back! Thanks for your feedback and have a great day everybody!
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I, too, am looking for the holy grail ;) Seriously, I'm the exact same way and I'm VERY close.

8.5"x32.5" + 14.75/15" WB, Fat nose and tail (like Anti Hero shapes but not anti hero dimensions) - Anyone give me a brand like that that isn't elephant?
Theeves for street ACEs for bowls
Spit F4s - classics for now but I think that conical my be the clincher - I've always hated the STF feel and autobahns don't slide like the F4s.
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not quite to the specific dimensions, but Anti-Hero (and real, krooked) have an 8.43 with a 32.57 length and a 14.75 wheelbase.  It's pretty much the only board I can ride at this point, everything seems tiny in comparison.  the 0.07 is not noticable
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Thanks for the tip! AH have my favorite shapes, I'll have to be on the lookout for one of these!


you also might dig the Anti-Hero 8.62, which has the same length/wheelbase as the 8.43.  i just picked one up today
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 18, 2014, 12:38:25 PM
Socal has some 56mm 99a conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: janky858 on August 22, 2014, 11:52:44 PM
BEST WHEEL OUT
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 360 frip on August 23, 2014, 09:08:53 AM
Finally got a set.

Sorry, I think bones are better...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Schismatic on August 23, 2014, 12:54:38 PM
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Also I think as I get older I dwell to much on gear and start to notice things I wouldn't have when I was younger. I skated so much that my stuff would wear out before I could notice any imperfections. It seems now I'm looking for a skateboard product equivalent of the fountain of youth. If I find that concave, wheel, or shape I will get my old tricks back! Thanks for your feedback and have a great day everybody!
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I, too, am looking for the holy grail ;) Seriously, I'm the exact same way and I'm VERY close.

8.5"x32.5" + 14.75/15" WB, Fat nose and tail (like Anti Hero shapes but not anti hero dimensions) - Anyone give me a brand like that that isn't elephant?

Theeves for street ACEs for bowls
Spit F4s - classics for now but I think that conical my be the clincher - I've always hated the STF feel and autobahns don't slide like the F4s.
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not quite to the specific dimensions, but Anti-Hero (and real, krooked) have an 8.43 with a 32.57 length and a 14.75 wheelbase.  It's pretty much the only board I can ride at this point, everything seems tiny in comparison.  the 0.07 is not noticable
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Thanks for the tip! AH have my favorite shapes, I'll have to be on the lookout for one of these!

Xen, maybe check out Entropy. I just posted my latest in the set-up thread (page 355, link below) if you wanna look at that as an example. Sounds like you're looking for something close to my shape but with a longer wheelbase. Call Entropy sometime and tell them what you're looking for (don't email, actually call the contact # on their page, also linked below), I can almost guarantee they can help you out.

They're solid, USA pressed by a well known and respected woodshop, they'll work to get you exactly what you want, and on top of it you'd be supporting an active and devoted small brand.

http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.10620 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=10804.10620)

https://shop.entropyskateboards.com/contactus.sc (https://shop.entropyskateboards.com/contactus.sc)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: m477 on August 23, 2014, 10:23:50 PM
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Are the 101 tablets still available? Can't find them anywhere.
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DLX discontinued the F4 tablet for the SFW F4

Here are the new specs for the updated f4 shapes.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/821f7883-c4c3-4871-af9c-77059516e995.jpg)

A bit bummed on the loss of the tablet but glad they still offer a 101 f4 with a wide riding surface. I'm riding the tablet 53 but they're almost a year old now and need replacing.   I thought the 101 tablet 53 mm was the perfect wheel but  now it looks like I'll have to try the 101 54 full conical.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gaunting on August 24, 2014, 09:48:22 PM
spitfire suks great marketing tho

I think you meant to say bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on August 25, 2014, 05:42:28 AM
wow man you should try some stf's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on August 25, 2014, 09:06:30 AM
this was pretty sick
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqLwyqjCM4I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqLwyqjCM4I#)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 28, 2014, 01:19:05 PM
Fuck it, I'm tired of waiting for the conicals. Going to just pick up some OJ's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on August 28, 2014, 01:39:40 PM
Fuck it, I'm tired of waiting for the conicals. Going to just pick up some OJ's.

They are out right now!

Tell your local shop to order some!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 28, 2014, 02:06:12 PM
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Fuck it, I'm tired of waiting for the conicals. Going to just pick up some OJ's.
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They are out right now!

Tell your local shop to order some!
I just called both of my locals, one didn't know they existed, the other said he just gets whatever you guys send. Do you know if the DLX store has any? I'll drive up there tomorrow morning if they do.

Nevermind, I called, they're out of 101s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on August 28, 2014, 06:09:16 PM
What size did you want?
Have 56 101s coming.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on August 28, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
29 pages

many negative reviews

no 20 page bones thread

because they work better
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 28, 2014, 09:42:50 PM
What size did you want?
Have 56 101s coming.
I'm looking for 52s. I don't really care though, I'll go up or down a mm. 56 is a little large thanks though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on August 29, 2014, 10:11:36 AM
29 pages

many a few negative reviews

no 20 page bones thread

because they work better Because nobody here likes Bones
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on August 29, 2014, 11:12:43 AM
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tracer post
a quoted tracer post

no need for a quoted tracer post

because i should see it Because tracer should be on every ignore list
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on August 29, 2014, 07:57:05 PM
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29 pages

many a few negative reviews

no 20 page bones thread

because they work better Because nobody here likes Bones
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Dude you gotta understand, it's pretty hilarious a 29 page thread about wheels. Are these guys on the take or what? Someone always bumps this thread probably from SF or called Spitfire for lyfe

Bones are fine, whats your problem with em? Seriously I want an answer
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 29, 2014, 08:49:29 PM
I'm sure they're fine, everyone likes different shit. I skated a set of STF's about a year ago and I just didn't like them. I gave them a solid month, during which I was skating and taking public transit everywhere. They felt like I was skating rocks. I didn't like the way they slid. They were loud as fuck. Every time I hit a sidewalk crack I could feel it in my teeth. When I started skating in the early-mid 90s, anything Powell or Bones were considered lame as fuck amongst my peers, so it took literally 20 years before I even skated a set of reds.

Spitfire's feel right. Classics or big heads for 20 years will do that.

I can't believe I seriously answered Tracer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on August 29, 2014, 09:04:09 PM
I'm a big fan of Bones but here's the thing. SPFs are great in smooth parks but feel like shit on the streets. STFs are amazing wheels but can be a bit too slick in smooth parks and only go up to 55mm.

Spitfire F4s 99a are just fucking great all rounders and just 'feel' better. For me its all about the 'slip to grip' ratio and 'rebound.' Spitfire nailed it with these wheels. I'm not from SF or on the take. I'm an old bastard who rode Spitfires all through the 90s and reluctantly stopped when I felt the quality dropped in the 2000s. Now they're back on point with the F4s.

Really looking forward to trying some full conicals in the 100a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 29, 2014, 09:11:35 PM
I'm a big fan of Bones but here's the thing. SPFs are great in smooth parks but feel like shit on the streets. STFs are amazing wheels but can be a bit too slick in smooth parks and only go up to 55mm.

Spitfire F4s 99a are just fucking great all rounders and just 'feel' better. For me its all about the 'slip to grip' ratio and 'rebound.' Spitfire nailed it with these wheels. I'm not from SF or on the take. I'm an old bastard who rode Spitfires all through the 90s and reluctantly stopped when I felt the quality dropped in the 2000s. Now they're back on point with the F4s.

Really looking forward to trying some full conicals in the 100a.

This!

STFs have never felt right to me (I'm a spit classics fan from waaaaaaaaaaaaay back, as in launch) and have tried a number of times to ride them out/commit to them and couldn't do it. I love the way STFs feel in bowls but prefer f4s over stfs. Both are great wheels, do the same thing and support great skaters. Pick what feels good. BOTH wheels suck ass on rough roads so I'm riding neither right now.

I'm wanting the Conicals in 55 as I've been eyeing the V5s in 55mm. I love conical/sidecut shapes. Hurry up DLX (btw socal needs help with proper naming conventions and sizing it seems as they have 56mm 'conicals'.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on August 30, 2014, 06:09:09 AM
someone whos opinion i trust (who also has run alot of stfs) told me spits are better for him and that they don't flat spot. So my negative comments i posted are based on 15 year old expieriences so i'll remove em.  But i'll stick with bones cause i love how predictably slick they are. (dont like my wheels to really 'grip' ever)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on August 30, 2014, 01:58:17 PM
I'm a big fan of Bones but here's the thing. SPFs are great in smooth parks but feel like shit on the streets. STFs are amazing wheels but can be a bit too slick in smooth parks and only go up to 55mm.

Spitfire F4s 99a are just fucking great all rounders and just 'feel' better. For me its all about the 'slip to grip' ratio and 'rebound.' Spitfire nailed it with these wheels. I'm not from SF or on the take. I'm an old bastard who rode Spitfires all through the 90s and reluctantly stopped when I felt the quality dropped in the 2000s. Now they're back on point with the F4s.

Really looking forward to trying some full conicals in the 100a.
You can tell spitfire is a scam becuase they use words like DURO, DUAL DUROMETER, and stupid letters and numbers to describe their wheels.

Bones just produce and call it like it is, a street wheel and a park wheel. If you ride 55+ then you aren't skating much street anyways
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on August 30, 2014, 03:36:14 PM
thats a rad post strait up
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on August 30, 2014, 03:50:49 PM

You can tell spitfire is a scam becuase they use words like DURO, DUAL DUROMETER, and stupid letters and numbers to describe their wheels.

Bones just produce and call it like it is, a street wheel and a park wheel. If you ride 55+ then you aren't skating much street anyways
EVERY FUCKING WHEEL COMPANY DOES THIS, INCLUDING BONES.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on August 30, 2014, 06:48:40 PM
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I'm a big fan of Bones but here's the thing. SPFs are great in smooth parks but feel like shit on the streets. STFs are amazing wheels but can be a bit too slick in smooth parks and only go up to 55mm.

Spitfire F4s 99a are just fucking great all rounders and just 'feel' better. For me its all about the 'slip to grip' ratio and 'rebound.' Spitfire nailed it with these wheels. I'm not from SF or on the take. I'm an old bastard who rode Spitfires all through the 90s and reluctantly stopped when I felt the quality dropped in the 2000s. Now they're back on point with the F4s.

Really looking forward to trying some full conicals in the 100a.
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You can tell spitfire is a scam becuase they use words like DURO, DUAL DUROMETER, and stupid letters and numbers to describe their wheels.

Bones just produce and call it like it is, a street wheel and a park wheel. If you ride 55+ then you aren't skating much street anyways

Yeah, perhaps a different type of 'street' to the likes of a cunt like yourself?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on August 30, 2014, 07:16:19 PM
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I'm a big fan of Bones but here's the thing. SPFs are great in smooth parks but feel like shit on the streets. STFs are amazing wheels but can be a bit too slick in smooth parks and only go up to 55mm.

Spitfire F4s 99a are just fucking great all rounders and just 'feel' better. For me its all about the 'slip to grip' ratio and 'rebound.' Spitfire nailed it with these wheels. I'm not from SF or on the take. I'm an old bastard who rode Spitfires all through the 90s and reluctantly stopped when I felt the quality dropped in the 2000s. Now they're back on point with the F4s.

Really looking forward to trying some full conicals in the 100a.
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You can tell spitfire is a scam becuase they use words like DURO, DUAL DUROMETER, and stupid letters and numbers to describe their wheels.

Bones just produce and call it like it is, a street wheel and a park wheel. If you ride 55+ then you aren't skating much street anyways
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Yeah, perhaps a different type of 'street' to the likes of a cunt like yourself?
Get that shit checked out bro.

STF has 5 DIFFERENT sizes, Spitfire has 2 if you're lucky. Get with the times bro Spitfire is a shit company with no flatspot guarantees
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 31, 2014, 01:51:07 AM
http://www.dlxsf.com/fall14/sf/ (http://www.dlxsf.com/fall14/sf/)

Going by this there's four shapes classic/classic full/ conical/ conical full
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on August 31, 2014, 09:00:32 AM
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I'm a big fan of Bones but here's the thing. SPFs are great in smooth parks but feel like shit on the streets. STFs are amazing wheels but can be a bit too slick in smooth parks and only go up to 55mm.

Spitfire F4s 99a are just fucking great all rounders and just 'feel' better. For me its all about the 'slip to grip' ratio and 'rebound.' Spitfire nailed it with these wheels. I'm not from SF or on the take. I'm an old bastard who rode Spitfires all through the 90s and reluctantly stopped when I felt the quality dropped in the 2000s. Now they're back on point with the F4s.

Really looking forward to trying some full conicals in the 100a.
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You can tell spitfire is a scam becuase they use words like DURO, DUAL DUROMETER, and stupid letters and numbers to describe their wheels.

Bones just produce and call it like it is, a street wheel and a park wheel. If you ride 55+ then you aren't skating much street anyways
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Yeah, perhaps a different type of 'street' to the likes of a cunt like yourself?
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Get that shit checked out bro.

STF has 5 DIFFERENT sizes, Spitfire has 2 if you're lucky. Get with the times bro Spitfire is a shit company with no flatspot guarantees

Been riding STFs for at least the last 5 years. Now, I'm back on Sptifires because I like F4s better... More size variety that Bones and about the same shape variety. Let's argue some more. How about ACE vs Indy? that seems to rattle some cages....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: givecigstosurfgroms on August 31, 2014, 09:05:06 AM
I think the ace thread is probably about that already.  I guess ace have worked out some of the original problems they had.  Mini logo trucks are out and they make a 8.75 i'd like to try.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on September 02, 2014, 07:43:32 PM
After flatspotting the 101s I decided to try the 99's and sadly I got a flat spot on those even quicker.  :-\
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on September 03, 2014, 07:46:08 AM
that's a bummer. send them back. i've been trying to flat spot my 99s just to see how much they can take.  can't do it. i've managed to flatspot all other spits and stfs and spfs. once you flat spot spfs its not going away others you can often wear out...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on September 03, 2014, 12:07:10 PM
For anyone who was looking for Conical/conical full,classic full in 99a, we got a few sizes in.
Always load people up with stickers and anything else we have.
http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Wheels/Spitfire.htm (http://www.35thavenue.com/shop/Skateboards/Wheels/Spitfire.htm)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HASHTAG on September 03, 2014, 12:15:50 PM
Trying to flatspot my 99A's, not possible. They'll just get smaller with time, but no flatspots as of right now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dlrmtrggr on September 03, 2014, 01:36:35 PM

I bought some f4 a couple of days ago and have had quite a few chunks come off. They also are cracking in a few places. I love the way they feel, but I was wondering if this is normal for them. I only skate my local park and I'm not to hard on them. I know this sounds silly but I'm kinda bummed on the quality and don't want to go back to Bones.
Not normal at all! I skate the 101duro 52mm classic shape f4s, and my 3 month old set has seen some rough concrete and have one tiny chip from bombing a hill into a gravel alleyway.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 03, 2014, 10:33:21 PM

I'm looking for 52s.

52 101's http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=49280 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=49280)

You've probably found some already, but just in case.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Candygirl on September 04, 2014, 07:34:08 AM
F4 101 53mm = best wheel ever.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on September 10, 2014, 12:18:31 AM
Skated my 52 101s a couple times and I love them so far.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 10, 2014, 12:19:49 AM
just ordered a couple sets of 53 99d conical fulls, cant wait too try them  ;D
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Post by: pinche gringo on September 12, 2014, 12:12:45 AM
I put on a new set of the 99a classic shape 52mm F4's and I'm so stoked to go back to them after the MAnderson stf's. Powerslides are epic.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pile on September 13, 2014, 05:41:36 PM
just ordered a couple sets of 53 99d conical fulls, cant wait too try them  ;D

where'd you find 53's?
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Post by: Paco Supreme on September 13, 2014, 06:06:18 PM
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just ordered a couple sets of 53 99d conical fulls, cant wait too try them  ;D
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where'd you find 53's?

Skate warehouse, they've got them all
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: raiders are life on September 16, 2014, 10:06:56 PM
F4 53mm 99a is without a doubt the best wheel i have ever rode, the control you have with these wheels is crazy! On side note if you are into cored wheels then the F1 Emburns are dope, im currently riding a pair and they haven't let me down yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 360 frip on September 16, 2014, 11:46:50 PM
I just ditched my new F4s to return to Bones.

They're hard but the compound isn't as good.

Not enough slide in them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: wallieD on September 17, 2014, 06:35:34 PM
I just ditched my new F4s to return to Bones.

They're hard but the compound isn't as good.

Not enough slide in them.
daYyuuMmm wasn't your rep 8 yesterday? and look at it now. slap loVes the f4's!!
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Post by: 360 frip on September 18, 2014, 05:41:27 AM
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I just ditched my new F4s to return to Bones.

They're hard but the compound isn't as good.

Not enough slide in them.
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daYyuuMmm wasn't your rep 8 yesterday? and look at it now. slap loVes the f4's!!

Nope, it has been shit for ages.

I love Deluxe and think they're the best distribution/company there is.

I ride their boards and trucks, but I think Bones wheels and bearings are a league apart.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: skate on September 23, 2014, 06:40:57 PM
I got some 99s "Classic Full" shape. Are they any different from just the Classics?
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Post by: Paco Supreme on September 23, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
I got some 99s "Classic Full" shape. Are they any different from just the Classics?

as the name suggests its a fuller shape, more riding surface
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: skate on September 23, 2014, 06:48:05 PM
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I got some 99s "Classic Full" shape. Are they any different from just the Classics?
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as the name suggests its a fuller shape, more riding surface

hmm, the riding surface seems about the same as Classics to me.. I guess it's a very small difference. Cheers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Filip on September 24, 2014, 01:31:36 AM
Im a die-hard STFs fan, are the 101 F4s similar to them? I would love to support Spitfire for a change, but their wheels never worked for me in the past..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on September 24, 2014, 07:33:53 AM
Im a die-hard STFs fan, are the 101 F4s similar to them? I would love to support Spitfire for a change, but their wheels never worked for me in the past..
I think if you read back over the 28 page topic you will have some insight into the feel.
In A nut shell, the 101s feel more like a bones spf in hardness but slide a little less than stfs.
Almost in between the two.
They do use very different materials to make their wheels.
So depending on your preference the feel varies.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on September 24, 2014, 07:41:12 AM
the conical full 99a are everything I've been waiting for... sooooooo good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 360 frip on September 24, 2014, 07:57:38 AM
Im a die-hard STFs fan, are the 101 F4s similar to them? I would love to support Spitfire for a change, but their wheels never worked for me in the past..

Depends how hooked you are. I've become a bit set in my ways and just enjoy the feel of Bones.

I'd say they grip a fair bit more than the STF wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on September 24, 2014, 08:16:19 AM
just set up some 52mm 101 classic full's. cant wait to skate them.
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on September 24, 2014, 08:23:51 AM
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I got some 99s "Classic Full" shape. Are they any different from just the Classics?
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as the name suggests its a fuller shape, more riding surface
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hmm, the riding surface seems about the same as Classics to me.. I guess it's a very small difference. Cheers

Classic Full's are a little bit wider, just like the Bigheads in the classic formula.
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Post by: skate on September 24, 2014, 06:48:10 PM
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I got some 99s "Classic Full" shape. Are they any different from just the Classics?
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as the name suggests its a fuller shape, more riding surface
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hmm, the riding surface seems about the same as Classics to me.. I guess it's a very small difference. Cheers
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Classic Full's are a little bit wider, just like the Bigheads in the classic formula.

I see.. I never knew the bigheads were a little wider than the classics.
I skated my F4s today and they feel amazing. Def worth the extra bucks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 28, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
My last two sets of wheels have been local shop wheels (terrible, just terrible. I won't go into detail, but they were so bad) and some Wrecks (way too difficult to get a good slide or a good revert on them for me. You gotta put in too much work to make the slide work. Honestly if they fixed that problem they would probably be one of the best wheels on the market). I managed to get both for free or for super cheap, so I just skated those for the past couple months. I finally decided to go back to F4 101a because I've had it with not sliding well. Bought a set earlier, put them on, and now I'm kicking myself for not going back sooner. Put them on and had a quick lil sesh with them right off the bat, and it honestly felt like I was walking out of a dark room I had been in for two months. I'm not gonna be switching wheel brands for a while. And these will probably last me til next year anyways, so I'll be good regardless.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on September 28, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
Wreck has managed to create a super hard, super smooth wheel that doesn't slide for shit. It's a beautiful thing
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 29, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
Wreck has managed to create a super hard, super smooth wheel that doesn't slide for shit. It's a beautiful thing

I just swapped out my set yesterday (back to F4s); I don't disagree with that statement.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on September 29, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
Like I said, if they just find a way to make them slide better they would be great wheels. Everything else about them aren't that bad at all. They kind of remind me of an STF with the feel of the ride they give, just an overall really hard feel, minus the slide factor.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 29, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
After riding the wrecks commuting, and sliding them to stop (which takes serious effort, don't be fooled; about as much effort as sliding my 98A type-S barros) and then cruising the same route today with my 99a F4 Spits, I nearly busted my ass on the first slide, it was so effortless.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: timv on September 30, 2014, 05:00:01 AM
My experience with wrecks is the same. Really hard and smooth but too grippy and obviously slower than f4's or stf's.  Also I had issues getting bearings to seat correctly with a spacer.

Back to my 99a 53mm f4's now and am happy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: McCly on October 01, 2014, 05:36:13 AM
I got the 53mm conical fulls (previously the F4 Classic). I've only skated them about an hour but damn. They are great.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 01, 2014, 02:28:33 PM
Got a set of the 101a Conical Fulls in 54mm on the way for a park wheel, can't wait!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Willie on October 01, 2014, 04:47:06 PM
Has anyone seen/skated the regular conicals? The Full ones just seem like they would be too fat. Maybe I'm wrong...
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Post by: Spitfire4life on October 01, 2014, 05:15:25 PM
Has anyone seen/skated the regular conicals? The Full ones just seem like they would be too fat. Maybe I'm wrong...
At 52mm classic shape has a riding surface of 15.5mm, just conical has a riding surface of 19.5mm, conical full (SFW) is 21mm. Hope that helped. Full charts here: http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2014, 09:39:44 AM
Has anyone seen/skated the regular conicals? The Full ones just seem like they would be too fat. Maybe I'm wrong...

I was debating over Full/Conical Full for a few weeks; finally bit the bullet on CFulls, I'll let you know my thoughts today when they arrive!
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Post by: art hellman on October 02, 2014, 11:07:08 AM
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Has anyone seen/skated the regular conicals? The Full ones just seem like they would be too fat. Maybe I'm wrong...
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I was debating over Full/Conical Full for a few weeks; finally bit the bullet on CFulls, I'll let you know my thoughts today when they arrive!

been skating conical fulls for a month or so now.  sooo good.  im not a fan of skinny wheels though, and i like sidecuts, so a little biased.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Willie on October 02, 2014, 03:15:50 PM
My current wheels are OJs with sidecuts. I think they have similar dimensions to the 'regular' F4 conicals.

I've never had anything but the general 'classic' shape until these but I think the conical/tablet/Bullet shape does stay locked in better on smiths, etc.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2014, 05:16:12 PM
Got my Conical Full F4s today - They're wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide. Very close in shape/width to the Type-S, which is what I wanted (type-S is too grippy)

Left to right: F4 53/99a Classic | F4  54/101a CF | Pi 56.5 | Type-S Barros 55mm 98a | 55mm Wreck 83b

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-mVUSVDFZzVE/VC3pzyIxUaI/AAAAAAAAVvA/6yA6LBpO0sc/s800/IMG_20141002_135012.jpg)

Left to right: F4 53/99a Classic | F4  54/101a CF | Type-S Barros 55mm 98a | Pi 56.5 | 55mm Wreck 83b

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-0jeuMG6Ha-U/VC3pz-CUQ8I/AAAAAAAAVvA/q_thWgY3hgc/s800/IMG_20141002_135100.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: oldgoodburger on October 02, 2014, 07:59:05 PM
Damn I think the 99a conical fulls may be my next purchase. i bet they lock in like no other.
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Post by: louie_bk on October 02, 2014, 09:45:52 PM
Just set up the Conical 101a 52mm's after riding a sets of the Manderson's over the past year. Fav wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2014, 02:44:12 PM
The 54mm 101 Conical Fulls held their own at the park today, super fast, LOUD and only one slipout (totally my fault). These really do give you tons of control when you want to slide.

All said and done, I probably could have gotten by with the conicals and not the fulls.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 03, 2014, 05:21:57 PM
Lenny, customer comment/feedback/question
Are the coloured conical fulls gonna come out in a 53? I only saw 52-54 and would love a middle ground size
Cheers bud
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on October 03, 2014, 06:03:51 PM
Colored conical full?
Whoah cool.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2014, 06:34:21 PM
Not that 1mm makes or breaks anything but I like 55mm!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 03, 2014, 06:37:21 PM
Colored conical full?
Whoah cool.
it's badass green http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=50111 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=50111)
Not that 1mm makes or breaks anything but I like 55mm!


im thinking more so i can mix and match  :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on October 03, 2014, 06:40:51 PM
Xen is slaps resident wheel junkie. I trust him over all other biased reviewers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 03, 2014, 08:04:47 PM
Xen is slaps resident wheel junkie. I trust him over all other biased reviewers

Thanks, but I'm no expert, I just know what I like.

My current wheels are OJs with sidecuts. I think they have similar dimensions to the 'regular' F4 conicals.

I've never had anything but the general 'classic' shape until these but I think the conical/tablet/Bullet shape does stay locked in better on smiths, etc.

Yup., locking in is great (harder for slappies tho).

 One of my favorite wheels was the Spit F1 Cole AWOL: (I imagine this to be close to the Conical shape), best of everything.
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/86/26/e8/8626e8c888a365ff1b262f03918799b9.jpg)

STF V5 shape
(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/new_big/BSV5WH-1.jpg)
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Post by: heritage on October 05, 2014, 09:57:04 AM
Xen - I feel you on being picky about wheels. Right there with you. I am probably as OCD about wheels as I am boards. I generally try to set up a new set of wheels every 4-6 weeks. Right now my two favorite shapes are Autobahn Torus shape (Appleyard) and SML Wides. I keep flip flopping between the two because they both rule.

Autobahn are my favorite wheel manu overall. I never understood why they don't get more shine.

SML wheels were a little slick for me at first, I was sliding out from everything. But after skating them for a bit I love them.

Some various wheel shapes I've rode recently for you to check out.

From L to R: PFC Gore 53.5, Type S Modified 54, OJ Dela 53, Autobahn Pepper Sidecut 52, Autobahn ABX 53

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141005_103523_zps962bab06.jpg)

And some wheels I have on backup ready to roll from L to R:

SML Wide Herrington 53, Broadcast Crop Circle 53 (feel heavy to me), Autobahn Appleyard (Torus) 53, Autobahn Standard 53, Pusher Jimmy McDonald 53 (Pusher makes a damn nice wheel that is really underrated)

(http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll11/82brewers/IMG_20141005_103651_zps1b435df2.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 05, 2014, 06:42:44 PM
You are the official wheel junkie ;)

Good picks! I love me some Autobahns (riden: AB-S, Torus dual, Nexus, ABX) but after riding F4s, nothing slides as good when or how you want it and still feels like urethane. Period.

The torus were too thin, I wanted wide, the Conical fulls might be too wide but i'm going to ride'em out and try conicals next round.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gaunting on October 13, 2014, 11:29:23 PM
Anyone rode the f4 classic full? I just ordered a set of reynolds f4's, and they were mislabeled on the site as classic, but i later found out they are classic full. Never had f4's, or classics fulls, just curious.....
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Post by: TehPwnzorer on October 14, 2014, 12:53:56 AM
Anyone rode the f4 classic full? I just ordered a set of reynolds f4's, and they were mislabeled on the site as classic, but i later found out they are classic full. Never had f4's, or classics fulls, just curious.....
Spitfire F4 classic = Bones STF v1 while Spitfire F4 classic full = Bones STF v4 shape wise. Main difference is that F4 classic full increases in riding surface by 3mm~

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kitto Horsley on October 14, 2014, 11:52:45 AM
Can anyone in the UK help me find the conical full or conical in 101 and 53mm.  Can't find any shops stocking them and i've tried emailing shiner.  Thanks in advance.
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Post by: tortfeasor on October 14, 2014, 01:23:57 PM
anyone get a set with an off colored wheel? i'm kind of digging it.
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Post by: peeweepawn on October 14, 2014, 01:26:40 PM
Anyone rode the f4 classic full? I just ordered a set of reynolds f4's, and they were mislabeled on the site as classic, but i later found out they are classic full. Never had f4's, or classics fulls, just curious.....

did you get them from socalskateshop??
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Post by: Paco Supreme on October 14, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
anyone get a set with an off colored wheel? i'm kind of digging it.

like the set they did with the one blue or red, or just an actual darker/lighter wheel in the normal urethane color?

the set of ishod pro ones i saw looked way darker than the ones i've seen in the past or the conical fulls i bought the other week
made them look dirty from the start
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on October 14, 2014, 02:52:41 PM
It might just be me, but I've noticed that they were darker in color when they first came out and in the earlier batches. Seems like they made them brighter and closer to white over time.
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Post by: Deekay on October 14, 2014, 03:52:35 PM
It might just be me, but I've noticed that they were darker in color when they first came out and in the earlier batches. Seems like they made them brighter and closer to white over time.

I think youre right, I just thought of that the other day too
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Post by: gaunting on October 14, 2014, 04:06:14 PM
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did you get them from socalskateshop??

Yep.
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Post by: tortfeasor on October 14, 2014, 04:32:15 PM
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anyone get a set with an off colored wheel? i'm kind of digging it.
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like the set they did with the one blue or red, or just an actual darker/lighter wheel in the normal urethane color?

the set of ishod pro ones i saw looked way darker than the ones i've seen in the past or the conical fulls i bought the other week
made them look dirty from the start

i just logged back on to clarify.  Off color was the wrong term.  It just one blue wheel.  its very blue and its clearly intentional.  the wheels are fucking sick and well worth the 30+ page thread that they have spawned.   sorry for the confusion.
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Post by: Paco Supreme on October 14, 2014, 04:37:36 PM
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anyone get a set with an off colored wheel? i'm kind of digging it.
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like the set they did with the one blue or red, or just an actual darker/lighter wheel in the normal urethane color?

the set of ishod pro ones i saw looked way darker than the ones i've seen in the past or the conical fulls i bought the other week
made them look dirty from the start
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i just logged back on to clarify.  Off color was the wrong term.  It just one blue wheel.  its very blue and its clearly intentional.  the wheels are fucking sick and well worth the 30+ page thread that they have spawned.   sorry for the confusion.

the one solid color ones look awesome, the half size extra on them is cool too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on October 14, 2014, 07:47:19 PM
the full classic 101 is perfect. the extra surface evens out how slidy the 101's are.
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Post by: m477 on October 14, 2014, 08:34:51 PM
Miss the tablet option :( guess I'll have to ride mine til they're bearing covers.
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Post by: TehPwnzorer on October 15, 2014, 02:32:07 AM
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 15, 2014, 10:14:21 AM
the full classic 101 is perfect. the extra surface evens out how slidy the 101's are.

When I was riding the 101 conical fulls, I wasn't hindered by their width when it came to sliding at all. However, I did feel they were just too wide for me, without providing any real benefit (wider would be more stable AND grippier but I didn't notice a difference).

I'm going for the classic fulls if I can find any online above 53mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 18, 2014, 06:17:33 PM
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10735605_1525592104351466_1538096778_a.jpg)

took these down too a 49 after 5 months of skating, feels so weird putting new 53's on, hopefully get to put them through hell today
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Post by: Dr Steve Brule on October 18, 2014, 06:36:47 PM
Ordered another set of the F4's.  I may swear by these
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Post by: Stanley Spadowski on October 18, 2014, 08:07:27 PM
(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/10735605_1525592104351466_1538096778_a.jpg)

took these down too a 49 after 5 months of skating, feels so weird putting new 53's on, hopefully get to put them through hell today
Wow, it still looks in good condition too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 18, 2014, 09:24:23 PM
ive skated just 3 sets of F4's in the last 12 months.. 2 sets of the 99a's and one of the 101s.. i prefer the 99s all the way.. good fucking solid lasting durable wheels!!!
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Post by: Paco Supreme on October 18, 2014, 10:23:50 PM
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Wow, it still looks in good condition too.

yeah they're still in a pretty decent way, i put them on this micro cruiser thing i've got, they slip something fierce though hence why i needed a change
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on November 10, 2014, 06:05:47 PM
Not sure if Im going to buy the conical or conical full F4's next.. Think the full's might actually be to wide for me. Could someone post a picture that shows the riding surface of them?
Thanks!
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Post by: CINCINNATI on November 10, 2014, 06:14:53 PM
are the mike andersen sfw non formula 4 the same width as conical fulls?
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Post by: Tracer on November 10, 2014, 07:13:42 PM
Not sure if Im going to buy the conical or conical full F1's next.. Think the full's might actually be to wide for me. Could someone post a picture that shows the riding surface of them?
Thanks!
Don't have a skateshop near you? You should be fully lurkin after a post like that
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on November 10, 2014, 07:15:58 PM
are the mike andersen sfw non formula 4 the same width as conical fulls?

As close as you're gonna get, mandersons are a half mm wider but the difference is negligible, try them out, i love my set
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Post by: 144p on November 10, 2014, 07:16:31 PM


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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on November 10, 2014, 07:50:54 PM
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Don't have a skateshop near you? You should be fully lurkin after a post like that

I usually dont reply to T-racer posts, but yeah. I have a couple of local shops, but none of them have F4's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: imgne on November 10, 2014, 10:41:10 PM
So as a person who swears by Bones wheels, I can honestly say that Spitfire F4 wheels are pretty damn amazing, but they don't last as long as bones do on shit surfaces, I've sold a few sets of F4's to have costumers come back requesting bones instead, one set of the 99a F4's started to bubble apart, i kinda put it down for being a dud set, but as time has gone one, as much as we sell them, the f4's get some weird reviews locally.

I think its just come down to personal preference, some people just don't like spitfire and some people simply don't like bones, obviously they're other wheels on the market, but in our stors, its STF vs F4 all the way...

I will say this, for guys who like bones but also like them to slide a bit more like spitfires, get coloured formula's, for some strange reason they seem to slide way better than the standard white. (would be curious to know if anyone agree's with me & could possibly explain why that is?)

Overall, F4's have saved spitfire from just being that wheel brand with the really known logo, to being a proper wheel company again!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on November 11, 2014, 11:02:22 AM
on my 3rd set in a little over a year

why the fuck would you ride anything else
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TehPwnzorer on November 11, 2014, 12:38:32 PM
on my 3rd set in a little over a year

why the fuck would you ride anything else
To remind yourself how good they actually are once you get spoiled and take the product for standard granted.

Like when I decided to try out Thunders after riding Indys for around 7 years. Can't really say I was enjoying skating at all the 3 months I put out with those trucks. Now I'm back on Indys again and asking myself why I even decided to switch in the first place.... Same concept goes for wheels too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 13, 2014, 02:04:57 PM
Not sure if Im going to buy the conical or conical full F4's next.. Think the full's might actually be to wide for me. Could someone post a picture that shows the riding surface of them?
Thanks!

I usually ride classics, tried the Conical Fulls and the seemed really wide, with no real benefit (they were still super awesomely slidable)? I'm going to pick up some straight conicals next.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TehPwnzorer on November 14, 2014, 04:22:03 AM
Conical & Conical Full. Both being 52mm
(http://i59.tinypic.com/i2k8zc.jpg)
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Post by: BMCsteve on November 14, 2014, 09:27:50 AM
Excuse my ignorance but what are the advantages of a wider riding surface outside of more grip in transition?  It seems like for street skating it wouldn't be ideal because a wider wheel in theory would be slower with more rolling resistance, more surface area to catch on pebbles or shit in the road and I'm guessing it takes more effort to slide
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eatshitbum on November 14, 2014, 09:31:11 AM
So I just set-up some 99a 53mm Ishod F4s with a new pair of trucks (Thunder 147s). I was riding 100a 53mm F1 Streetburners for the past ~year. Definitely liking the F4s but I'm not sure how much of it is due to new/fast wheels/bearings. They do seem to slide better than the F1s while riding/feeling "softer" (if that makes any sense at all...). Also grabbed a set of 53mm 101a F4s to try but it looks like winter's here to stay.

Is it just me or do these wheels "sound" dead?? Grabbed my board from the trunk, dropped it on the ground and the "thunkclunk" sounded a lot closer to shitty blank wheels than my F1s did. They skated perfectly fine pop-wise but the sound was a bit of a throw-off for the first couple of ollies
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 14, 2014, 10:13:44 AM
So I just set-up some 99a 53mm Ishod F4s with a new pair of trucks (Thunder 147s). I was riding 100a 53mm F1 Streetburners for the past ~year. Definitely liking the F4s but I'm not sure how much of it is due to new/fast wheels/bearings. They do seem to slide better than the F1s while riding/feeling "softer" (if that makes any sense at all...). Also grabbed a set of 53mm 101a F4s to try but it looks like winter's here to stay.

Is it just me or do these wheels "sound" dead?? Grabbed my board from the trunk, dropped it on the ground and the "thunkclunk" sounded a lot closer to shitty blank wheels than my F1s did. They skated perfectly fine pop-wise but the sound was a bit of a throw-off for the first couple of ollies

Axle bolts too tight? I find that boards can sound dead (and wheels are not as screechy) of there is no play on the wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on November 14, 2014, 11:19:44 AM
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So I just set-up some 99a 53mm Ishod F4s with a new pair of trucks (Thunder 147s). I was riding 100a 53mm F1 Streetburners for the past ~year. Definitely liking the F4s but I'm not sure how much of it is due to new/fast wheels/bearings. They do seem to slide better than the F1s while riding/feeling "softer" (if that makes any sense at all...). Also grabbed a set of 53mm 101a F4s to try but it looks like winter's here to stay.

Is it just me or do these wheels "sound" dead?? Grabbed my board from the trunk, dropped it on the ground and the "thunkclunk" sounded a lot closer to shitty blank wheels than my F1s did. They skated perfectly fine pop-wise but the sound was a bit of a throw-off for the first couple of ollies
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Axle bolts too tight? I find that boards can sound dead (and wheels are not as screechy) of there is no play on the wheels.

New bearings will also change the sound a bit until the grease gets worn down.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on November 14, 2014, 12:07:38 PM
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So I just set-up some 99a 53mm Ishod F4s with a new pair of trucks (Thunder 147s). I was riding 100a 53mm F1 Streetburners for the past ~year. Definitely liking the F4s but I'm not sure how much of it is due to new/fast wheels/bearings. They do seem to slide better than the F1s while riding/feeling "softer" (if that makes any sense at all...). Also grabbed a set of 53mm 101a F4s to try but it looks like winter's here to stay.

Is it just me or do these wheels "sound" dead?? Grabbed my board from the trunk, dropped it on the ground and the "thunkclunk" sounded a lot closer to shitty blank wheels than my F1s did. They skated perfectly fine pop-wise but the sound was a bit of a throw-off for the first couple of ollies
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Axle bolts too tight? I find that boards can sound dead (and wheels are not as screechy) of there is no play on the wheels.
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New bearings will also change the sound a bit until the grease gets worn down.
This. While new bearings/wheels  should feel great, often times the first day or two the wheels feel almost softer than they really are, give it a bit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eatshitbum on November 14, 2014, 12:55:11 PM
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So I just set-up some 99a 53mm Ishod F4s with a new pair of trucks (Thunder 147s). I was riding 100a 53mm F1 Streetburners for the past ~year. Definitely liking the F4s but I'm not sure how much of it is due to new/fast wheels/bearings. They do seem to slide better than the F1s while riding/feeling "softer" (if that makes any sense at all...). Also grabbed a set of 53mm 101a F4s to try but it looks like winter's here to stay.

Is it just me or do these wheels "sound" dead?? Grabbed my board from the trunk, dropped it on the ground and the "thunkclunk" sounded a lot closer to shitty blank wheels than my F1s did. They skated perfectly fine pop-wise but the sound was a bit of a throw-off for the first couple of ollies
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Axle bolts too tight? I find that boards can sound dead (and wheels are not as screechy) of there is no play on the wheels.
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New bearings will also change the sound a bit until the grease gets worn down.
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This. While new bearings/wheels  should feel great, often times the first day or two the wheels feel almost softer than they really are, give it a bit.

Cool, thanks very much for the replies guys. My axle bolts definitely aren't too tight (I always leave a little wiggle room) but great suggestion Xen. Lenny/144p, the bearings are new so it sounds I'll have to skate em down some more.

Thinking about it now, the F4s also sounded different when "digging into" bs 180s... almost like they "glided" more. Definitely need to skate the F4s more but I'm thinking there's something cool going on here feel-wise.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TehPwnzorer on November 14, 2014, 03:18:33 PM
Excuse my ignorance but what are the advantages of a wider riding surface outside of more grip in transition?  It seems like for street skating it wouldn't be ideal because a wider wheel in theory would be slower with more rolling resistance, more surface area to catch on pebbles or shit in the road and I'm guessing it takes more effort to slide
No advantages really... I don't even feel them gripping that much more than the classic shape tbh. 149s are too big for me so the conical full are perfect for those trucks. Giving me a little more width makes me think the hanger is smaller than it actually is. I got the regular conical on my main setup. No advantages whatsoever. You lock in just as good with the classic shape. I've always prefered conical shapes over classic. Was riding Bones v2 all the time before F4 got out on the market. That's all there's to it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on November 14, 2014, 04:56:11 PM
Having skated multiple sets of classics, full cuts, conicals and concial full i can say in the 99 that there is a difference in grip and stability in the different shapes. In the 101's they all feel about the same, the conical fulls are a little more grippy but not much.
On a fresh back top road the conical fulls struggle to break into a slide vs a classic cut acts like it would on any surface.
Mostly I notice the square shape holding a ledge or coping edge better vs a radial classic that rolls out much easier.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TehPwnzorer on November 15, 2014, 03:09:41 PM
I take it all back. It's indoor season here so I've only tried the conicals on slippery wooden floor. I couldn't feel the difference on the slippery wooden floor but I felt a difference on the outdoor concrete floor today. They actually do grip. There's a noticeable difference between classic and conicals gripping wise. Probably even more noticeable with the conical full that I didn't get to try since I no longer use the 149 setup. That goes for the 99 duro. Also felt a little better lock on the smaller cooping which I couldn't notice on heavier coopings.

Everything 144p said above is on point.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MostlyLurkin' on November 15, 2014, 05:01:44 PM
Quote from: TehPwnzorer  link=topic=68020.msg2242110#msg2242110 date=1415967723
Conical & Conical Full. Both being 52mm
(http://i59.tinypic.com/i2k8zc.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2evavjt.jpg)

Thanks dude. That's exactly the kind of picture I was looking for. Gnar's for you, sir!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eatshitbum on December 09, 2014, 04:40:51 PM
Ok, I hate to bump a topic that's faded a bit but no better thread to toss this...

All of the snow we got melted over the past couple of days so I skated flat yesterday for a quick 20 minutes. Went to check my board today and saw this...

(http://i.imgur.com/DyH76Q5l.jpg)

I don't want to take them back to my shop and be a pain in the ass... shit happens. This was definitely from a rock while trying to "skid out" a couple bs180s. That said, I can definitely feel/hear the "flatspot" and while I know it'll skate down, I paid full price and the wheels have under 5 hrs of riding on them.

Any recommendations? Already bought a set of F1 streetburners to ride but this is a bit disappointing given the hype these wheels have gotten
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on December 09, 2014, 04:44:46 PM
Hit up DLX.  They will help you out.  One thing that I love about them is they simply stand by all of their products.  I never hesitate to buy anything from them because I know if I have an issue, they'll make it right.

Probably the best dudes in the skate industry when it comes to taking care of their customers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eatshitbum on December 09, 2014, 04:55:49 PM
Hit up DLX.  They will help you out.  One thing that I love about them is they simply stand by all of their products.  I never hesitate to buy anything from them because I know if I have an issue, they'll make it right.

Probably the best dudes in the skate industry when it comes to taking care of their customers

thanks Steve. do DLX reps still hit up this thread or is facebook my best bet? I've seen a few posting before. I'm planning on dealing with this fully tomorrow (got a big exam at 9 am).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 09, 2014, 06:05:28 PM
Ok, I hate to bump a topic that's faded a bit but no better thread to toss this...

All of the snow we got melted over the past couple of days so I skated flat yesterday for a quick 20 minutes. Went to check my board today and saw this...

(http://i.imgur.com/DyH76Q5l.jpg)

I don't want to take them back to my shop and be a pain in the ass... shit happens. This was definitely from a rock while trying to "skid out" a couple bs180s. That said, I can definitely feel/hear the "flatspot" and while I know it'll skate down, I paid full price and the wheels have under 5 hrs of riding on them.

Any recommendations? Already bought a set of F1 streetburners to ride but this is a bit disappointing given the hype these wheels have gotten

this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on December 09, 2014, 08:20:16 PM
Ok, I hate to bump a topic that's faded a bit but no better thread to toss this...

All of the snow we got melted over the past couple of days so I skated flat yesterday for a quick 20 minutes. Went to check my board today and saw this...

(http://i.imgur.com/DyH76Q5l.jpg)

I don't want to take them back to my shop and be a pain in the ass... shit happens. This was definitely from a rock while trying to "skid out" a couple bs180s. That said, I can definitely feel/hear the "flatspot" and while I know it'll skate down, I paid full price and the wheels have under 5 hrs of riding on them.

Any recommendations? Already bought a set of F1 streetburners to ride but this is a bit disappointing given the hype these wheels have gotten

PM'd!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eatshitbum on December 09, 2014, 09:13:34 PM
this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...

Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

PM'd!

... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 09, 2014, 11:52:17 PM
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this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...
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Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

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PM'd!
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... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!

fuck yeah- DLX's assurance on quality is ON POINT... I've had a few "damaged" products after the usual wear and tear of skateboarding but it's sick they're down to honor their warranties 100%

a homie of mine posted some 2 year old thunders that were down to the aceels on instagram- there was a small little crack but the trucks were on their way out any how- Jim T commented "we'll replace those" and my homie declined the offer cause he felt he got his money's worth...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eatshitbum on December 17, 2014, 10:28:52 PM
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this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...
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Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

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PM'd!
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... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!
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fuck yeah- DLX's assurance on quality is ON POINT... I've had a few "damaged" products after the usual wear and tear of skateboarding but it's sick they're down to honor their warranties 100%

a homie of mine posted some 2 year old thunders that were down to the aceels on instagram- there was a small little crack but the trucks were on their way out any how- Jim T commented "we'll replace those" and my homie declined the offer cause he felt he got his money's worth...

If you're gonna post about the bad, you gotta post about the good. This came in the mail today...

(http://i.imgur.com/HtGkJuBl.jpg)

Thanks very much Reed, Deluxe and Supra distribution! Spitfire's getting all my wheel money in the future
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on December 18, 2014, 12:09:27 AM
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this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...
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Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

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PM'd!
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... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!
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fuck yeah- DLX's assurance on quality is ON POINT... I've had a few "damaged" products after the usual wear and tear of skateboarding but it's sick they're down to honor their warranties 100%

a homie of mine posted some 2 year old thunders that were down to the aceels on instagram- there was a small little crack but the trucks were on their way out any how- Jim T commented "we'll replace those" and my homie declined the offer cause he felt he got his money's worth...
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If you're gonna post about the bad, you gotta post about the good. This came in the mail today...

(http://i.imgur.com/HtGkJuBl.jpg)

Thanks very much Reed, Deluxe and Supra distribution! Spitfire's getting all my wheel money in the future

Damn! The maple leaf stickers are sick! I think its from a collab they did with a Canadian shop???
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on December 18, 2014, 06:06:19 AM
That's exactly why I've given DLX so much of my money over the last 15+ years.  They make great stuff and odds are that you'll never have a problem with it but if you do, they take care of you.  It's uncommon in any industry but especially in the skate world.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on December 18, 2014, 08:20:58 AM
I'll never leave you deluxe...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on December 18, 2014, 08:32:59 AM
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this happened to me on some f4 52mm classic shaped 99a's and fixed it self within one session of just rolling it self out...
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Thanks for the feedback fulfillthedream. These are the 99a's and it definitely looks/feels like it'll skate itself out (which is why I didn't go back to my shop) but...

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PM'd!
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... good thing DLXSF has the whole "customer service" thing on lockdown. Thanks again for the help everyone/DLXSF and Lenny, I would totally gnar you if I could!
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fuck yeah- DLX's assurance on quality is ON POINT... I've had a few "damaged" products after the usual wear and tear of skateboarding but it's sick they're down to honor their warranties 100%

a homie of mine posted some 2 year old thunders that were down to the aceels on instagram- there was a small little crack but the trucks were on their way out any how- Jim T commented "we'll replace those" and my homie declined the offer cause he felt he got his money's worth...
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If you're gonna post about the bad, you gotta post about the good. This came in the mail today...

(http://i.imgur.com/HtGkJuBl.jpg)

Thanks very much Reed, Deluxe and Supra distribution! Spitfire's getting all my wheel money in the future

Happy to help!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Deekay on December 18, 2014, 01:22:44 PM
That rules! I just got some new f4 99's today and I'm hyped to support these dudes after seeing this
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on December 23, 2014, 12:02:41 AM
hey Lenny, i just bought some of these Speedies for my daughters first skateboard, i wanted to ask if these bubbles are normal, they are on all of the wheels on the inside by the core, and one wheel has a bubble on the riding surface. if its normal and wont effect their function im not worried about it but i thought i should check with you. thanks. (sorry for the huge pics guys)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/8EDCA67A-6DCD-4FA1-98D4-B2BEB62CD76A_zps7ixemsod.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/8EDCA67A-6DCD-4FA1-98D4-B2BEB62CD76A_zps7ixemsod.jpg.html)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/FBB1E1F3-A508-4E73-A5EB-98BC660F0446_zpsztbbqlwq.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/FBB1E1F3-A508-4E73-A5EB-98BC660F0446_zpsztbbqlwq.jpg.html)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/53D36FED-E657-4B12-A414-030426F8EAA1_zps600uyntm.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/53D36FED-E657-4B12-A414-030426F8EAA1_zps600uyntm.jpg.html)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/7CFF57B5-3139-47E0-8CD0-C4E5F13C593E_zpszl7zs20e.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/7CFF57B5-3139-47E0-8CD0-C4E5F13C593E_zpszl7zs20e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on December 23, 2014, 12:46:25 AM
I've had those on a few sets of STFs I've had. They usually don't make a difference, just cosmetic more than anything, at least from my experience. Never seen em on SFs before though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on December 23, 2014, 07:51:39 AM
hey Lenny, i just bought some of these Speedies for my daughters first skateboard, i wanted to ask if these bubbles are normal, they are on all of the wheels on the inside by the core, and one wheel has a bubble on the riding surface. if its normal and wont effect their function im not worried about it but i thought i should check with you. thanks. (sorry for the huge pics guys)

(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/8EDCA67A-6DCD-4FA1-98D4-B2BEB62CD76A_zps7ixemsod.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/8EDCA67A-6DCD-4FA1-98D4-B2BEB62CD76A_zps7ixemsod.jpg.html)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/FBB1E1F3-A508-4E73-A5EB-98BC660F0446_zpsztbbqlwq.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/FBB1E1F3-A508-4E73-A5EB-98BC660F0446_zpsztbbqlwq.jpg.html)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/53D36FED-E657-4B12-A414-030426F8EAA1_zps600uyntm.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/53D36FED-E657-4B12-A414-030426F8EAA1_zps600uyntm.jpg.html)
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/tangar07/skate%20stuff/7CFF57B5-3139-47E0-8CD0-C4E5F13C593E_zpszl7zs20e.jpg) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/tangar07/media/skate%20stuff/7CFF57B5-3139-47E0-8CD0-C4E5F13C593E_zpszl7zs20e.jpg.html)

Hey Tanger,

The bubbles are normal. I've talked with the product development guys about them before, and although they are a little unsightly, they should not affect the way the wheels ride at all. If for some reason your not happy with them though, PM me, and I'll take care of it for you!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 23, 2014, 07:57:53 AM
Yeah, as long as the bearing still fits it shouldn't be a problem. Has happened to me before.


I've had my eye on those all blue 99s for a minute. Been skating the white 101s pretty much all year and they're still holding strong minus a few small chips. (Which I blame myself for. Skated some pretty much unskatable pavement and that was the result. Not even mad.)


I'm a believer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dillanharp on December 23, 2014, 08:24:24 AM
Yea I've had those bubbles on classics many times, no big deal.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on December 23, 2014, 11:08:01 AM
Sweet thanks dudes!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CINCINNATI on January 11, 2015, 03:40:57 PM
Sorry to bump an old thread, but are  comparable sized conical fulls wider than the Mike Anderson wheels? Like are 56 mm conical fulls the same width as 56mm manderson wheels?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on January 11, 2015, 05:14:51 PM
Sorry to bump an old thread, but are  comparable sized conical fulls wider than the Mike Anderson wheels? Like are 56 mm conical fulls the same width as 56mm manderson wheels?
I don't have the measurements, but I had the manderson's while my friend has the Concial Fulls in the same size, and they look exactly the same. I'm pretty sure it's the same shape/dimensions, just a different name. Maybe they changed the name since the SFW is technically Manderson's wheel, this way the F4's can be labeled as team wheels?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CINCINNATI on January 11, 2015, 05:18:59 PM
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but are  comparable sized conical fulls wider than the Mike Anderson wheels? Like are 56 mm conical fulls the same width as 56mm manderson wheels?
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I don't have the measurements, but I had the manderson's while my friend has the Concial Fulls in the same size, and they look exactly the same. I'm pretty sure it's the same shape/dimensions, just a different name. Maybe they changed the name since the SFW is technically Manderson's wheel, this way the F4's can be labeled as team wheels?

ok cool. thanks dude!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on January 12, 2015, 04:34:43 PM
ight so i had the FULL shape 99's when they first came out and wanna try the conicals again, but the full 99's didn't really slide like i wanted. ive had the 101 and 99 classics, and the 101 was a little too slick at times. what i wanna know is if i get the regular conicals in a 101, will it kinda balance out the hardness? i guess i just wanna know if they will kinda have a balance of grip and slide like the classic 99 or what?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 12, 2015, 06:05:32 PM
ight so i had the FULL shape 99's when they first came out and wanna try the conicals again, but the full 99's didn't really slide like i wanted. ive had the 101 and 99 classics, and the 101 was a little too slick at times. what i wanna know is if i get the regular conicals in a 101, will it kinda balance out the hardness? i guess i just wanna know if they will kinda have a balance of grip and slide like the classic 99 or what?

I've ridden the following F4s:

52mm 101 classic
53mm 99a classic
54mm 101a conical fulls (lost them)
54mm 101a conicals

I'm with you on the 99a slide (I rode them after the 52 101s) but they are great for rougher roads. The conical fulls were strictly park use until I lost them so very little in the way of slides (bowl park) except for on the walls of the big bowls (alleyoop slides).

The conicals in 101a do indeed work like you are thinking. Slide like a 101 should, glassy but with a bit more grip than say the classic 101s. Case in point, I took two setups out recently to skate with my kids in a parking lot, was sliding around on the conicals, all good, switch to the 101 classics and damn near killed myself on the first slide (using the same effort).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on January 15, 2015, 05:57:53 PM
If I had to ride only one set of wheels for the rest of my skate life, it would be 56mm Conical Full 99a F4s. Fucking love them on all terrain. Now just make them in that orange Spitifre used to do in the 90s and I'm done.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KMAC on January 22, 2015, 06:12:41 PM
anybody know anything about the "RADIALS" shape they were giving advanced sets of on instagram?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on January 22, 2015, 09:30:32 PM
After riding the conical full 99a i prefer the classic shape over it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on January 23, 2015, 01:57:43 PM
Radials look good. Wide like the conical fulls but very rounded radius.

(http://www.dlxsf.com/spring15/img/sf/dt/02-RADIAL-FEATURE-DT-1-1200.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on January 23, 2015, 02:32:01 PM
fan of the conical fulls.  I like being able to skate a smaller wheel with the riding surface of a larger wheel. 

definitely the best wheel i've skated (99a) for gripping while the skating indoor dust rinks of the midwest
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 23, 2015, 02:46:04 PM
I like being able to skate a smaller wheel with the riding surface of a larger wheel.

This is exactly what I love about mine, been on them for three months or so and they feel perfect
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: icybear187 on January 23, 2015, 02:58:01 PM
Ok, I hate to bump a topic that's faded a bit but no better thread to toss this...

All of the snow we got melted over the past couple of days so I skated flat yesterday for a quick 20 minutes. Went to check my board today and saw this...

(http://i.imgur.com/DyH76Q5l.jpg)

I don't want to take them back to my shop and be a pain in the ass... shit happens. This was definitely from a rock while trying to "skid out" a couple bs180s. That said, I can definitely feel/hear the "flatspot" and while I know it'll skate down, I paid full price and the wheels have under 5 hrs of riding on them.

Any recommendations? Already bought a set of F1 streetburners to ride but this is a bit disappointing given the hype these wheels have gotten

That isn't a product defect nor is it a flatspot.  What is truly disappointing is the lack of self accountability that is plaguing individuals today.  Learn how to do a proper full 180 and buck up and ride the wheels out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on January 23, 2015, 04:13:37 PM
Radials look good. Wide like the conical fulls but very rounded radius.

(http://www.dlxsf.com/spring15/img/sf/dt/02-RADIAL-FEATURE-DT-1-1200.jpg)
The radius is a good option if the wheelbite from the conical fulls is a big problem.
Got a set to try.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 23, 2015, 09:42:08 PM
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Ok, I hate to bump a topic that's faded a bit but no better thread to toss this...

All of the snow we got melted over the past couple of days so I skated flat yesterday for a quick 20 minutes. Went to check my board today and saw this...

(http://i.imgur.com/DyH76Q5l.jpg)

I don't want to take them back to my shop and be a pain in the ass... shit happens. This was definitely from a rock while trying to "skid out" a couple bs180s. That said, I can definitely feel/hear the "flatspot" and while I know it'll skate down, I paid full price and the wheels have under 5 hrs of riding on them.

Any recommendations? Already bought a set of F1 streetburners to ride but this is a bit disappointing given the hype these wheels have gotten
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That isn't a product defect nor is it a flatspot.  What is truly disappointing is the lack of self accountability that is plaguing individuals today.  Learn how to do a proper full 180 and buck up and ride the wheels out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on January 24, 2015, 10:36:37 AM
those radials look great.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on January 24, 2015, 07:18:22 PM
I rode mine today, lock in to ledges and coping like the conicals but less wheelbite.
I am a fan.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on January 24, 2015, 10:12:41 PM
Radials look good. Wide like the conical fulls but very rounded radius.

(http://www.dlxsf.com/spring15/img/sf/dt/02-RADIAL-FEATURE-DT-1-1200.jpg)
When, where can I get these? Release date?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on January 25, 2015, 08:12:24 AM
Right now, 52s were all that are available.
Other sizes this month probably.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on January 25, 2015, 09:05:07 AM
Nice. Love to try them at some point but I now have a stack of Classics and Concical Fulls to make my way through... Nice problem to have , I suppose.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on January 25, 2015, 03:41:30 PM
Right now, 52s were all that are available.
Other sizes this month probably.
52s the size I skate. Any places online that have them?
Or is DLX just kinda flowing them to people until all the sizes are available?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on January 26, 2015, 05:56:34 AM
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Other sizes this month probably.
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52s the size I skate. Any places online that have them?
Or is DLX just kinda flowing them to people until all the sizes are available?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: VCR on January 26, 2015, 06:55:47 AM
Does anybody know what shape the Ishod Formula Fours are?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on January 26, 2015, 08:05:14 AM
Does anybody know what shape the Ishod Formula Fours are?

They're on the Classic shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on January 26, 2015, 10:32:57 AM
I know wide wheels are the current trend but it would be sweet to see some F4 Slims come out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 26, 2015, 10:41:43 AM
I know wide wheels are the current trend but it would be sweet to see some F4 Slims come out
Yes.
I've always been one to prefer a slimmer wheel. An F4 in a slim shape would be an insta-buy for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Willie on January 26, 2015, 03:51:14 PM
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I know wide wheels are the current trend but it would be sweet to see some F4 Slims come out
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Yes.
I've always been one to prefer a slimmer wheel. An F4 in a slim shape would be an insta-buy for me.

Unless I'm riding a 58mm+ or something on a big ass board I don't see the appeal of wide or 'full' shapes.

Regular or slim is fine. Everything else just eats up truck real estate.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on January 26, 2015, 07:10:50 PM
Wider wheels are more resistant to flatspots, offer better grip and turn better. That may sound odd but like cars a wider tire offers a better turn. Those of us who skate slippery parks or destroy a set of wheels in a session have learned to appreciate a wider cut. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on January 26, 2015, 08:03:03 PM
Wider wheels are more resistant to flatspots, offer better grip and turn better. That may sound odd but like cars a wider tire offers a better turn. Those of us who skate slippery parks or destroy a set of wheels in a session have learned to appreciate a wider cut. 

Truth.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on January 26, 2015, 08:59:01 PM
Wider wheels are more resistant to flatspots, offer better grip and turn better. That may sound odd but like cars a wider tire offers a better turn. Those of us who skate slippery parks or destroy a set of wheels in a session have learned to appreciate a wider cut. 

Yeah I definitely get the advantages for some skaters but for my wider wheels are heavier, take up more room on the hanger, take more effort to slide, etc. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on January 27, 2015, 07:27:40 AM
I respect and understand the differences for sure. Have friends that ride the slimmest bones shape and can tell the difference.
I was responding to
Unless I'm riding a 58mm+ or something on a big ass board I don't see the appeal of wide or 'full' shapes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on January 27, 2015, 01:14:12 PM
Yeah, I skate the Bones V3 which are their slimmest profile.  I definitely prefer F4's though.  I think a slim shape would actually do really well
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on January 27, 2015, 02:31:33 PM
Think we'll ever see a lock-in F4? This is the shape I always loved for coping. I think the last ones around were some for AVE
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 27, 2015, 02:34:19 PM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=68020.msg2280937#msg2280937 date=1422397893
Think we'll ever see a lock-in F4? This is the shape I always loved for coping. I think the last ones around were some for AVE

Maybe if AVE gets a pro edition like how lance has a conical full one out now, they did F1 lock ins right?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Nose Face on January 28, 2015, 06:37:20 AM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=68020.msg2280937#msg2280937 date=1422397893
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Think we'll ever see a lock-in F4? This is the shape I always loved for coping. I think the last ones around were some for AVE
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Maybe if AVE gets a pro edition like how lance has a conical full one out now, they did F1 lock ins right?

(http://www.dlxsf.com/summer12/sf/SPITFIRE/sf-cat-summer12-11.jpg)
(http://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-lock-ins-ave-slicks-skateboard-wheels-54mm-p11393-24124_zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: m477 on January 28, 2015, 01:08:51 PM
Not a fan of asymmetrical wheels, I try to make my wheels last a long time by flipping them around when they get coned and differently cut sides bugs me.

Radials look good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on January 28, 2015, 03:15:26 PM
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Right now, 52s were all that are available.
Other sizes this month probably.
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52s the size I skate. Any places online that have them?
Or is DLX just kinda flowing them to people until all the sizes are available?
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Just getting out to shops now, assuming it's january we are all pretty slow now so be a bit before anyone is stocking them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fukd on February 23, 2015, 08:57:31 PM
Just wanted to poke my head in and say that I'm really digging my 54mm 101a formula fours. Mostly skated parks with them and they can be a little slick at times, but overall I am very happy with them. I tested them out on a few neighborhood hills and they powerslid so easily. Honestly it was kind of scary because I didn't seem to lose any speed at all. Unfortunatly they chunked on me, but I hit up LennyDLXSF, and he was able to get me a replacement set. Excited to skate these wheels, and grab the 99a next time around. I don't see myself ever riding a pair of non-spitfire wheels. Thanks again Reed!

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/e8326e79e3098b00749d9e5ee599271e/tumblr_nk90ikdpAz1spkqnko1_400.jpg)

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/fd445c3c1ff63ab92c7994c7abc1a037/tumblr_nk90ikdpAz1spkqnko2_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: snaked plissken on February 24, 2015, 06:28:59 AM
Wanted another set of PFC wheels but they don't have my size in stock, so i got a set of f4's...interested to see how they feel. although i have no clue when i'll skate again since this weather is bonkers.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on February 24, 2015, 07:34:20 AM
Just wanted to poke my head in and say that I'm really digging my 54mm 101a formula fours. Mostly skated parks with them and they can be a little slick at times, but overall I am very happy with them. I tested them out on a few neighborhood hills and they powerslid so easily. Honestly it was kind of scary because I didn't seem to lose any speed at all. Unfortunatly they chunked on me, but I hit up LennyDLXSF, and he was able to get me a replacement set. Excited to skate these wheels, and grab the 99a next time around. I don't see myself ever riding a pair of non-spitfire wheels. Thanks again Reed!

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/e8326e79e3098b00749d9e5ee599271e/tumblr_nk90ikdpAz1spkqnko1_400.jpg)

(https://36.media.tumblr.com/fd445c3c1ff63ab92c7994c7abc1a037/tumblr_nk90ikdpAz1spkqnko2_400.jpg)


Glad you are enjoying the new set!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Prince Nelson on February 24, 2015, 11:19:39 AM
riding 54mm F4 101's after being on Welcome wheels for a few months. They immediately feel smoother and faster.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 30, 2015, 09:26:44 PM


I will say this, for guys who like bones but also like them to slide a bit more like spitfires, get coloured formula's, for some strange reason they seem to slide way better than the standard white. (would be curious to know if anyone agree's with me & could possibly explain why that is?)


i was looking over this thread and due to a miss click end on this page.

its not just you, colored bones slide and feel better, buddy of mine felt the same way with his his yellow homoki stfs and me with my greeen schroder spfs...this was two years or so ago tho.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on March 30, 2015, 10:14:15 PM
so far, after the pre-release f4's, I've only had two sets and they never had any issues
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on March 30, 2015, 11:53:36 PM
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I will say this, for guys who like bones but also like them to slide a bit more like spitfires, get coloured formula's, for some strange reason they seem to slide way better than the standard white. (would be curious to know if anyone agree's with me & could possibly explain why that is?)

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i was looking over this thread and due to a miss click end on this page.

its not just you, colored bones slide and feel better, buddy of mine felt the same way with his his yellow homoki stfs and me with my greeen schroder spfs...this was two years or so ago tho.

I had the homoki yellows and slid them until a massive flatspot ruined it. They were my fav wheels until I got wrecks, not Im back on STF
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shotformeat on April 24, 2015, 05:22:39 AM
I wouldn't normally bother with this, but I recently got some 52mm Luan Conical F4's, only skated to the shops on them twice and they chunked on me already and that really doesn't seem right to me. The last set of F4's I had were great and lasted months. I live in London, UK though and not quite sure who is best to contact with this? Any help much appreciated!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 24, 2015, 05:42:10 AM
I wouldn't normally bother with this, but I recently got some 52mm Luan Conical F4's, only skated to the shops on them twice and they chunked on me already and that really doesn't seem right to me. The last set of F4's I had were great and lasted months. I live in London, UK though and not quite sure who is best to contact with this? Any help much appreciated!

Man, quit being a pussy and ride with that shit, that small little thing doesnt affect anything! You sound like a baby.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fangen on April 24, 2015, 05:58:25 AM
I wouldn't normally bother with this, but I recently got some 52mm Luan Conical F4's, only skated to the shops on them twice and they chunked on me already and that really doesn't seem right to me. The last set of F4's I had were great and lasted months. I live in London, UK though and not quite sure who is best to contact with this? Any help much appreciated!

skate it out, bitch.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 24, 2015, 07:00:55 AM
I wouldn't normally bother with this, but I recently got some 52mm Luan Conical F4's, only skated to the shops on them twice and they chunked on me already and that really doesn't seem right to me. The last set of F4's I had were great and lasted months. I live in London, UK though and not quite sure who is best to contact with this? Any help much appreciated!
I see what your saying, but man, skate down a hill and do some reverts and or over some tight packed cobbles stones, "problem"solved. We got rough ground in Canada and shitty sidewalks too and every set of wheels i ride does this(usually in the first few days) and the performance is NOT effected. No sense wasting a perfectly good set of new wheels. Amazing wheels at that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shotformeat on April 24, 2015, 07:29:48 AM
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I wouldn't normally bother with this, but I recently got some 52mm Luan Conical F4's, only skated to the shops on them twice and they chunked on me already and that really doesn't seem right to me. The last set of F4's I had were great and lasted months. I live in London, UK though and not quite sure who is best to contact with this? Any help much appreciated!
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I see what your saying, but man, skate down a hill and do some reverts and or over some tight packed cobbles stones, "problem"solved. We got rough ground in Canada and shitty sidewalks too and every set of wheels i ride does this(usually in the first few days) and the performance is NOT effected. No sense wasting a perfectly good set of new wheels. Amazing wheels at that.

You're right, like I said it wouldn't normally bother me, just seemed a bit off when it happened after 10-15 minutes only skating down the street! Never happened to any wheels I had before, I'd normally expect a bit more wear before this sort of thing. I guess London has a lot to answer for tbh!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on April 24, 2015, 07:31:12 AM
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I wouldn't normally bother with this, but I recently got some 52mm Luan Conical F4's, only skated to the shops on them twice and they chunked on me already and that really doesn't seem right to me. The last set of F4's I had were great and lasted months. I live in London, UK though and not quite sure who is best to contact with this? Any help much appreciated!
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I see what your saying, but man, skate down a hill and do some reverts and or over some tight packed cobbles stones, "problem"solved. We got rough ground in Canada and shitty sidewalks too and every set of wheels i ride does this(usually in the first few days) and the performance is NOT effected. No sense wasting a perfectly good set of new wheels. Amazing wheels at that.
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You're right, like I said it wouldn't normally bother me, just seemed a bit off when it happened after 10-15 minutes only skating down the street! Never happened to any wheels I had before, I'd normally expect a bit more wear before this sort of thing. I guess London has a lot to answer for tbh!

Check your PM's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on April 24, 2015, 07:31:48 AM
Minor chipping like that might be normal with a hard edged wheel.
In A day or two it will be gone.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 24, 2015, 08:15:26 AM
similar thing happened to my current set, not a chunk missing but a micro flat spot right on the edge i figured its just from conicals/conical fulls being a squarer wheel.

Like everyone else is saying, do a couple powerslides or something and it'll be gone
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shotformeat on April 24, 2015, 08:32:49 AM
Man, those guys at DLXSF are seriously the best! They said it was definitely a defect and are sending out a new set. It's good to know they've got your back and that their guarantee actually means something. I'll always back their product, it's good to know they'll back it up too.  
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: saltusnaut on April 25, 2015, 01:10:11 PM
Both my conicals and my classic f4 have little chunks missing. The conicals chipped first session on them. I really don't feel it when riding tho. I was bummed at first but since it doesn't seem to affect the performance I just kept skating them. My classic shaped f4 didn't chip until I powerslid over some screws in my local indoor park. So to me it seems the conicals are more prone to chipping.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 25, 2015, 01:30:26 PM
Funny that I'm seeing lot of complaints about chunks missing from wheels, that shit actually happened to me on a set of STFs I'm currently riding. The F4s I had were getting worn down too small for my tastes, so I set up a set of old but still in good condition STFs I had lying around, that I've maybe used for only a month and a half previously before switching them out. After the second session with them again I look at one of my wheels and notice this:
(https://scontent-6.22773.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-0/11196242_414551205380058_2521288551144166243_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=6ad3ea02bf0ff6f02fa0693360fb59e0&oe=55DBA980)
You probably can't tell from the angle of the picture but the chunk actually goes pretty deep in.
Gonna try to contact skateone soon about it. Though I heard their customer service is hit or miss compared to DLXs.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 26, 2015, 01:18:38 AM
Funny that I'm seeing lot of complaints about chunks missing from wheels, that shit actually happened to me on a set of STFs I'm currently riding. The F4s I had were getting worn down too small for my tastes, so I set up a set of old but still in good condition STFs I had lying around, that I've maybe used for only a month and a half previously before switching them out. After the second session with them again I look at one of my wheels and notice this:
(https://scontent-6.22773.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-0/11196242_414551205380058_2521288551144166243_n.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=6ad3ea02bf0ff6f02fa0693360fb59e0&oe=55DBA980)
You probably can't tell from the angle of the picture but the chunk actually goes pretty deep in.
Gonna try to contact skateone soon about it. Though I heard their customer service is hit or miss compared to DLXs.

You people need to understand that wheels are rolling in the ground, a ground that is not clean or smooth! There is small stones, glasses, irregular paviment (etc...) that can fuck your wheels. That doesnt mean it is a defect. The other day i was skating this Haze wheels, doing some lipslides, then i hear that sound of a flatspot. I look down to my set up and see that there are chunks missing from my wheels, right in the middle and big ones! I notice later that the marble ledge had a crack and that crack was like a razorblade for the wheels, there was still my missing chunks of wheel. Is not a wheel defect, it's my fault.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 26, 2015, 02:49:34 AM
^^^
I am aware, but I am also aware that something like what happened to my wheel isn't exactly something that is an everyday thing. I probably should've mentioned in my previous post that that chunk happened from running over a little pebble. I've had a few sets of F4s, some other STFs in the past, street burners, and countless other kinds of wheels throughout the years, and I've never had this happen with any other wheel from just running over a pebble, let alone anything like that happen ever, til now that is. So you can see why I was a bit taken back by that when I saw it. And like I said, you can't really tell by the photo, but it's a pretty big and deep chunk missing. A decent wheel should not have chunks missing from just running over pebbles.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nacnud on April 26, 2015, 03:02:56 AM
^^^
I am aware, but I am also aware that something like what happened to my wheel isn't exactly something that is an everyday thing. I probably should've mentioned in my previous post that that chunk happened from running over a little pebble. I've had a few sets of F4s, some other STFs in the past, street burners, and countless other kinds of wheels throughout the years, and I've never had this happen with any other wheel from just running over a pebble, let alone anything like that happen ever, til now that is. So you can see why I was a bit taken back by that when I saw it. And like I said, you can't really tell by the photo, but it's a pretty big and deep chunk missing. A decent wheel should not have chunks missing from just running over pebbles.
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That is one old wheel. No need to complain about a chunk missing. It has no relation to the riding surface. Just keep on pushing through IT!!!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fangen on April 26, 2015, 03:39:34 AM
Do you guys take boards back to the shop expecting a replacement if it chips in the first fortnight? Like, "hey man, I bought this board a few weeks back and it already is chipped. It's like a newish board and I was thinking that you need to replace it, it must be like defective or something. I'd get free grip with the replacement right?"
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 26, 2015, 04:48:22 AM
Hah, I find it funny that a good number of you are bashing on this and saying suck it up, while in other threads, like the skate superstitions threads that have been made, I see a lot of you write about how you can't skate a board if it's a millimeter off or if the top ply is a certain color, so you'll replace it, or how if your griptape chunks out at the edges too much or gets too dirty you'll peel it off and replace it, etc. If there are people who are bothered by things as trivial as that, then I'm guessing something like a big chunk missing from a wheel would be enough to bother a good number of people on here, despite all the "who cares just deal with it" responses that have been given. You don't think you care, until it happens to you and everytime youre looking at your board you just see that chunk staring back at you. Skateboarding breeds certain types of neuroticism, especially those pertaining to your gear, so I can understand all the other replies on here about chunks missing from wheels, and all the other replies in other threads about not being able to skate a certain griptape, a deck because of the top ply color, etc.
And a chunk like that would just get bigger and bigger over time. What happens as you keep riding on it and run over more pebbles and rough asphalt skating around? It opens it up more and makes the chunk bigger over time, which can effect the overall quality of the wheel.
But whatever, I already know this post is just gonna keep getting the same "dude, just deal with it" responses, so keep em coming!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fangen on April 26, 2015, 05:47:40 AM
Hah, I find it funny that a good number of you are bashing on this and saying suck it up, while in other threads, like the skate superstitions threads that have been made, I see a lot of you write about how you can't skate a board if it's a millimeter off or if the top ply is a certain color, so you'll replace it, or how if your griptape chunks out at the edges too much or gets too dirty you'll peel it off and replace it, etc. If there are people who are bothered by things as trivial as that, then I'm guessing something like a big chunk missing from a wheel would be enough to bother a good number of people on here, despite all the "who cares just deal with it" responses that have been given. You don't think you care, until it happens to you and everytime youre looking at your board you just see that chunk staring back at you. Skateboarding breeds certain types of neuroticism, especially those pertaining to your gear, so I can understand all the other replies on here about chunks missing from wheels, and all the other replies in other threads about not being able to skate a certain griptape, a deck because of the top ply color, etc.
And a chunk like that would just get bigger and bigger over time. What happens as you keep riding on it and run over more pebbles and rough asphalt skating around? It opens it up more and makes the chunk bigger over time, which can effect the overall quality of the wheel.
But whatever, I already know this post is just gonna keep getting the same "dude, just deal with it" responses, so keep em coming!

My last set of wheels(picture) had a pellet sized hard plastic chunk in them that eventually tore out. It didn't effect how they skated. And I think that board superstitions/gripes are tells of a weak mind.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: timv on April 26, 2015, 06:29:42 AM
I've ridden  4 sets of formula fours now and all have chipped/chunked and gotten torn on edges somewhat easily.

I did return one set and got them replaced but I'm on to trying new wheels.
All were 99A 3 sets of classic shape and one set of conicals, 51mm-54mm.

Right now I'm skating a set of these autobahn's:   http://autobahnwheelshop.com/collect...dual-duro-100a (http://autobahnwheelshop.com/collect...dual-duro-100a)

They are fast and grippy and feel really good to me. I've been on them for a couple weeks now and really don't feel a need to try anything else right now. The edges aren't getting torn up or chipping, I like the sidecut shape so am happy right now.
They seem to be holding up well.

I've had bones SPF's and STF's, the SPF's were way too hard, the STF's were still a bit hard and slid a bit too easily for me, they seemed to hold up well though.

I tried wrecks also but they were noticeably slower and really grippy, almost too grippy for me.

The park I go to in the morning on my way to work is a prefab type park so has some exposed metal edges etc which I am sure cause some of my wheel damage but the F4's seem to get torn up much quicker than the others so it's not just the park.

DLX does stand behind their product though and were very cool to work with on getting my set replaced.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on April 26, 2015, 06:53:47 AM
Hah, I find it funny that a good number of you are bashing on this and saying suck it up, while in other threads, like the skate superstitions threads that have been made, I see a lot of you write about how you can't skate a board if it's a millimeter off or if the top ply is a certain color, so you'll replace it, or how if your griptape chunks out at the edges too much or gets too dirty you'll peel it off and replace it, etc. If there are people who are bothered by things as trivial as that, then I'm guessing something like a big chunk missing from a wheel would be enough to bother a good number of people on here, despite all the "who cares just deal with it" responses that have been given. You don't think you care, until it happens to you and everytime youre looking at your board you just see that chunk staring back at you. Skateboarding breeds certain types of neuroticism, especially those pertaining to your gear, so I can understand all the other replies on here about chunks missing from wheels, and all the other replies in other threads about not being able to skate a certain griptape, a deck because of the top ply color, etc.
And a chunk like that would just get bigger and bigger over time. What happens as you keep riding on it and run over more pebbles and rough asphalt skating around? It opens it up more and makes the chunk bigger over time, which can effect the overall quality of the wheel.
But whatever, I already know this post is just gonna keep getting the same "dude, just deal with it" responses, so keep em coming!

I'm not bashing you... I feel bummed too when shit like this happens! I've had some decent sized flatspots because of peebles and chunks missing before, maybe because of small glasses. It doesn't get bigger, they desappear after some time. I hate a chipped deck with all my forces too but i'm not that rich to buy a new deck just because of it, i have to go thru with it!
I guess i'm a little jealous of the costumer service you have in the US because i've had to deal with some serious quality issues before (delaminated decks, slipping axels, unglued shoes, etc), things that really affect my skating and are not my fault, and all the shops said was basicaly"fuck off, it's not our fault too".  :-\
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on April 26, 2015, 08:09:11 AM
Hah, I find it funny that a good number of you are bashing on this and saying suck it up, while in other threads, like the skate superstitions threads that have been made, I see a lot of you write about how you can't skate a board if it's a millimeter off or if the top ply is a certain color, so you'll replace it, or how if your griptape chunks out at the edges too much or gets too dirty you'll peel it off and replace it, etc. If there are people who are bothered by things as trivial as that, then I'm guessing something like a big chunk missing from a wheel would be enough to bother a good number of people on here, despite all the "who cares just deal with it" responses that have been given. You don't think you care, until it happens to you and everytime youre looking at your board you just see that chunk staring back at you. Skateboarding breeds certain types of neuroticism, especially those pertaining to your gear, so I can understand all the other replies on here about chunks missing from wheels, and all the other replies in other threads about not being able to skate a certain griptape, a deck because of the top ply color, etc.
And a chunk like that would just get bigger and bigger over time. What happens as you keep riding on it and run over more pebbles and rough asphalt skating around? It opens it up more and makes the chunk bigger over time, which can effect the overall quality of the wheel.
But whatever, I already know this post is just gonna keep getting the same "dude, just deal with it" responses, so keep em coming!

Having posted in this topic since it's inception, I've seen a few questionable claims of faulty product where it almost seems like theyre just trying to get something for free. In hindsight I was off base for assuming that. My wheels have chipped similarly but like others have said, it happens with every brand and usually doesn't affect the ride.
But as expected, deluxe handles every claim with no questions asked.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 30, 2015, 10:17:48 AM
I'd love a slimmer conical cut. Just sayin' :P
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Post by: BMCsteve on April 30, 2015, 01:38:43 PM
I'd love a slimmer conical cut. Just sayin' :P

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on April 30, 2015, 11:55:31 PM
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I'd love a slimmer conical cut. Just sayin' :P
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yes, yes, yes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2015, 10:53:45 AM
Rode a set of the radials today, 52mm, really nice all around wheel...still wider than I'd like but that slide. Sooooo nice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kitto Horsley on May 12, 2015, 03:54:55 PM
How slippy are the 101's? Can't decide between Conical fulls in 99d or 101d. Any help appreciated.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on May 12, 2015, 03:58:16 PM
How slippy are the 101's? Can't decide between Conical fulls in 99d or 101d. Any help appreciated.
The conical fulls in 101a are the perfect combo imo. The regular 101's are a little slick at time, but the extra width helps with that a lot. I feel like the 99's in the conical shape would be a little too hard to slide.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 12, 2015, 04:01:15 PM
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How slippy are the 101's? Can't decide between Conical fulls in 99d or 101d. Any help appreciated.
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The conical fulls in 101a are the perfect combo imo. The regular 101's are a little slick at time, but the extra width helps with that a lot. I feel like the 99's in the conical shape would be a little too hard to slide.

i've had a set of 99 conical fulls since they came out and at first, yes they were a little difficult to get a nice slide out of them, but after a week or so they felt great.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kitto Horsley on May 12, 2015, 04:16:26 PM
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How slippy are the 101's? Can't decide between Conical fulls in 99d or 101d. Any help appreciated.
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The conical fulls in 101a are the perfect combo imo. The regular 101's are a little slick at time, but the extra width helps with that a lot. I feel like the 99's in the conical shape would be a little too hard to slide.
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i've had a set of 99 conical fulls since they came out and at first, yes they were a little difficult to get a nice slide out of them, but after a week or so they felt great.

So feel you can slide on them pretty easily after that first week.  I was all set on getting the 101's but then had a sudden panic i'd be slipping and sliding all over the place when i go and skate a park, D.I.Y etc.
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Post by: Dengles on May 12, 2015, 04:20:44 PM
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How slippy are the 101's? Can't decide between Conical fulls in 99d or 101d. Any help appreciated.
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The conical fulls in 101a are the perfect combo imo. The regular 101's are a little slick at time, but the extra width helps with that a lot. I feel like the 99's in the conical shape would be a little too hard to slide.
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i've had a set of 99 conical fulls since they came out and at first, yes they were a little difficult to get a nice slide out of them, but after a week or so they felt great.
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So feel you can slide on them pretty easily after that first week.  I was all set on getting the 101's but then had a sudden panic i'd be slipping and sliding all over the place when i go and skate a park, D.I.Y etc.
I've had two sets of 101s now, they've been amazing on the streets perfect power slides all the fun stuff, but they feel a little icy in some parks.  They're old now so they're fine in most concrete parks, a little sketchy but no big deal.  The only place I wish I had the 99s is this one DIY spot where the concrete is like garage floor material and I slip out and feel like I'm going to constantly eat shit on.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 12, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
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How slippy are the 101's? Can't decide between Conical fulls in 99d or 101d. Any help appreciated.
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The conical fulls in 101a are the perfect combo imo. The regular 101's are a little slick at time, but the extra width helps with that a lot. I feel like the 99's in the conical shape would be a little too hard to slide.
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i've had a set of 99 conical fulls since they came out and at first, yes they were a little difficult to get a nice slide out of them, but after a week or so they felt great.
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So feel you can slide on them pretty easily after that first week.  I was all set on getting the 101's but then had a sudden panic i'd be slipping and sliding all over the place when i go and skate a park, D.I.Y etc.

Yeah a week to break them in and they're set for me, there is a lot of smooth roads/sidewalks where i live though, so 101s would probably see me end up on my ass if i were to try them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on May 12, 2015, 05:17:25 PM
I've had no problem sliding the 99s on rough or smooth surfaces, even in the full conical shape but I've been tempted by the 101s just to compare them. How do the 101s compare to an STF slide?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 12, 2015, 05:41:13 PM
I was riding the 101a radials at the Venice park this weekend primarily in the Snake Run (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ5RpPLFtZ8,) they were really icy in there, more than a few times at speed they broke free; it's a slick as fuck park, the glare alone of the surface will blind you., 54 might be a sweet spot there).

Most people were rocking larger SPFs, I'd be more worried about them breaking free over the spits.

Next time I'm putting on some 99a F4s/ricta or type-s for a bit more grip (and speed, I had to work to get those 52s humming). FWIW the radials roughly the same width as the 54mm Conicals. Radials are wider with a smaller rider surface.

The slide of the 101 F4s are unmatched imo, fantastic wheels for street in any shape; 99a would probably work out well for slick parks/wood.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on May 12, 2015, 09:44:52 PM
Having skated 99's and 101s in classic, classic full, radial and conical full I can say the 101 conical full slides very similar to classic 99s with a louder screech slide. Up in washington state the parks arent quite as dusty as so cal parks are so the slickness there is un matched. When I went to visit last year I was skating classic 99's and almost died at Stoner and all the other places we went.
Conical full 101's are my wheel of choice for all terrains, just the right amount of grip and slide.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kitto Horsley on May 13, 2015, 03:11:24 AM
Thank you everyone for help.  Sorry to keep asking wustions on whats probably already a well disscussed topic but...currently riding the SML wide shape do either of the duros feel like that? Looking for something a little slicker that, only a little though.  Like i said sorry for so many questions but being a broke student means that if i get something thats not right i have to suck it and deal with so i'd rather just buy the wheels that suit what i want in the first place.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 13, 2015, 09:09:06 AM
Thank you everyone for help.  Sorry to keep asking wustions on whats probably already a well disscussed topic but...currently riding the SML wide shape do either of the duros feel like that? Looking for something a little slicker that, only a little though.  Like i said sorry for so many questions but being a broke student means that if i get something thats not right i have to suck it and deal with so i'd rather just buy the wheels that suit what i want in the first place.

I rode a set of .sml wheels recently, slim shape and they were too grippy for me (tho many on the forum find them slick), they felt grippy like Autobahns; duro-wise they are hard but don't feel like spits at all.

F4s I've ridden:

101 classics (sold them)
99 classics (still have them)
101 conical full (lost these thinking I put my board in my car...didn't...I know stupid)
101 conical (setup on an 8.6)
101 radials (riding now)

I'd say it's up to the terrain and what you like to do. Conical Fulls are WIIIIIDE wheels, I felt I could get by on Conicals, which is true as they are still wide.

In fact, ALL F4s are pretty wide wheels compared to other wheels out there (STF V1/2/3, Ricta).

Pick up the 101s after you decide on shape and height. Also know that the smaller the wheel the skinnier (albeit a small amount) it gets, and vice versa going taller.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slapshakle on May 16, 2015, 02:41:05 AM
These held up pretty well considering how fast and far a car dragged my board down the road.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/slapshakle/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-05-05-18-01-52_zpsxvjreqvp.png) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/slapshakle/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-05-05-18-01-52_zpsxvjreqvp.png.html)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on May 16, 2015, 03:58:25 AM
These held up pretty well considering how fast and far a car dragged my board down the road.

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/slapshakle/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-05-05-18-01-52_zpsxvjreqvp.png) (http://s3.photobucket.com/user/slapshakle/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Screenshot_2015-05-05-18-01-52_zpsxvjreqvp.png.html)



Dont be a pussy. 2 or 3 sessions and they are good to go again! :v
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 16, 2015, 10:16:32 AM
Yeah, ride that shit out!


(that sucks dude - hope you've a backup set?)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on June 10, 2015, 07:21:33 AM
been skating the radials recently and really digging them.  just set aside the 99a's  for the moment and going to give the 101a's a try as I've been in a lipslidin' ledges mood.  gonna save the 99a for when it's time to head indoors again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on June 10, 2015, 07:30:41 AM
Yeah same, last 101's i had felt way too slick but the set i am on now feel grippy enough.
99s are perfect for the indoor here.
 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on June 10, 2015, 07:34:37 AM
yeah, that was my experience skating the 101a's when the F4s just came out... but feel like giving them a try again for the summer.  

the 99a's are definitely the best wheel i've skated for slippery stuff, especially indoors.


EDIT:  put the 99a back on.  the 101 are just too slick for my skating.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tanginacat on June 19, 2015, 09:50:42 AM
thoughts on those luan f4's? slidy enough for street but got control on icy surfaces?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on June 19, 2015, 10:45:33 AM
I'll just leave this here for all you 'thin' wheel dudes..

(http://i.imgur.com/ZpGZFtf.png)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 19, 2015, 11:13:20 AM
OHSNAP!

When the F4s hit with this shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on June 19, 2015, 11:30:05 AM
OHSNAP!

When the F4s hit with this shape?

They are available now! Tell your shop to order em'!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on June 19, 2015, 10:03:55 PM
^^^^
Fuuuck, I wanted some new wheels but wanted a real thin wheel that was on the harder side, so I bought a set of v3 STFs just earlier today. If I would've known that you guys were coming out with a thin shaped F4 I would've held out til a set came to my shop.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 19, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
Are those F4? ive seen them listed as just normal pro editions, and theres no mention of it onthe wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 20, 2015, 12:00:56 PM
Are those F4? ive seen them listed as just normal pro editions, and theres no mention of it onthe wheel

That's what I asked:

OHSNAP!

When the F4s hit with this shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on June 20, 2015, 08:40:41 PM
They're not f4's.
I searched the pdf and so far they don't make any f4's in classic thin.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JD on June 20, 2015, 11:11:42 PM
Just bought a set of 101 duros today after riding STFs for nearly 5 years now, definitely feels a lot less "plasticy" then STFs. So far loving them!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 21, 2015, 06:24:52 PM
They're not f4's.
I searched the pdf and so far they don't make any f4's in classic thin.

We'll just have to wait...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tanginacat on June 21, 2015, 07:22:38 PM
@Xen how are the regular conicals compared to the full ones? planning to buy one
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on June 22, 2015, 07:32:47 AM
They're not f4's.
I searched the pdf and so far they don't make any f4's in classic thin.

The F4 version is in development, and will be available soon!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2015, 04:32:02 PM
@Xen how are the regular conicals compared to the full ones? planning to buy one

The Fulls are wiiiiide as hell, I felt them too wide. Conicals are a great size (if a bit too wide for me still).

I guess it would depends on what you are skating them on? I couldn't really see a need for the Fulls over the regular conicals honestly.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on June 22, 2015, 05:21:29 PM
I might be in a minority here but I prefer the slip to grip ratio of the conical wides 99s over the classic 99s on all terrain.  Hope to try some Radials soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2015, 05:54:21 PM
Radials are my favorite shape by far (just wish they were thinner).

Spits are pretty wide wheels, even the classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on June 22, 2015, 06:16:06 PM
Woohoo !!! I just got myself a set of 52's full conical wheels.

(http://s15.postimg.org/jr7d3u9tn/IMG_1268.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tanginacat on June 22, 2015, 07:32:41 PM
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The Fulls are wiiiiide as hell, I felt them too wide. Conicals are a great size (if a bit too wide for me still).

I guess it would depends on what you are skating them on? I couldn't really see a need for the Fulls over the regular conicals honestly.

sickk thanks! i made up my mind now, i skate mostly street and some spot with icy floors so i figured i need some lil bit control ricta brandon westgates are okayyy but i feel like still a bit slidy but better than bones on icy surfaces.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 23, 2015, 09:42:03 AM
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The Fulls are wiiiiide as hell, I felt them too wide. Conicals are a great size (if a bit too wide for me still).

I guess it would depends on what you are skating them on? I couldn't really see a need for the Fulls over the regular conicals honestly.
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sickk thanks! i made up my mind now, i skate mostly street and some spot with icy floors so i figured i need some lil bit control ricta brandon westgates are okayyy but i feel like still a bit slidy but better than bones on icy surfaces.

If you skate icy floors, the 99s are going to be your best bet (and rough streets). I'm riding the Ricta NRGs (Sandovals) and find them perfect, just a tad grippier than F4s but thinner.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Powdered Toast Man! on June 24, 2015, 02:22:39 PM
F4's 5 months of use
once 54mm classics 101 duro, now they're 40 something and tablets
never had a problem and still roll smooth
f4's rule
(http://i57.tinypic.com/34y8igg.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2vmisky.jpg)
third set ten months later same size shape etc, these held longer and didnt get as small
i <3 spitfire
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tanginacat on June 24, 2015, 03:44:46 PM
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The Fulls are wiiiiide as hell, I felt them too wide. Conicals are a great size (if a bit too wide for me still).

I guess it would depends on what you are skating them on? I couldn't really see a need for the Fulls over the regular conicals honestly.
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sickk thanks! i made up my mind now, i skate mostly street and some spot with icy floors so i figured i need some lil bit control ricta brandon westgates are okayyy but i feel like still a bit slidy but better than bones on icy surfaces.
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If you skate icy floors, the 99s are going to be your best bet (and rough streets). I'm riding the Ricta NRGs (Sandovals) and find them perfect, just a tad grippier than F4s but thinner.

yes best wheeels for sure dude! i got the luan conicals. never going back to thin wheels again i was skating the ricta nrg's brandon westgate before the spits <3 the control is crazy on these wheels slide to grip ratio is trueee

now im curios about the 101conical fulls how is it compared to regular conicals 99 duro? 99duro conicals are slidy enough for me on street and parks just curios about 101's and ive seen fask8fucks/supreme kids rockin the conicals peep the "SICKNESS" vid correct me if im wrong tho those look some conical fulls and regular conicals to me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on June 26, 2015, 09:11:51 PM
Set up my new board tonight with 52mm conical fulls in the 101a duro

These wheels are sick as hell. It's almost weird how easy it is to control the slide, different than anything i've ridden before.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 2thick on June 27, 2015, 06:32:42 PM
Set up my new board tonight with 52mm conical fulls in the 101a duro

These wheels are sick as hell. It's almost weird how easy it is to control the slide, different than anything i've ridden before.


Yo HB fam welcome to Slap
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on June 27, 2015, 06:42:24 PM
Spitfire is fucking garbage, dont believe the hype. It took them 20 years to build a wheel that might not flatspot, yet they still don't have any guarantees? Don't support those scumbags

Look back in the earlier pages so many flatspots and problems. Get bones, darkstars or wrecks

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on June 27, 2015, 06:58:26 PM
shut up you Val kook.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on June 27, 2015, 07:10:19 PM
It's basically just company men and trend hoppers bumping this thread. Everyone knows Bones and Wreck makes great wheels, so a 40 page thread isn't necessary for them.

Look
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At
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They flatspot
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wizard Fight on June 27, 2015, 07:15:08 PM
darkstar
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Post by: Xen on June 28, 2015, 04:38:52 PM
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Truth be told, I rode a set, back with the first Tensors (with the slider) they were hard and didn't flatspot :\

Zero board, tensors and darkstars buwhahahahhaha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 04, 2015, 02:53:14 PM
I'll just leave this here for all you 'thin' wheel dudes..

(http://i.imgur.com/ZpGZFtf.png)

Was able to look at these in a shop today, shape is sweet, much like the AB Nexus/Wreck Slim/Skinnier Bones V2. I'll bite once the F4s roll out!
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Post by: BMCsteve on August 04, 2015, 03:11:37 PM
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I'll just leave this here for all you 'thin' wheel dudes..

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Was able to look at these in a shop today, shape is sweet, much like the AB Nexus/Wreck Slim/Skinnier Bones V2. I'll bite once the F4s roll out!

Same here!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 05, 2015, 12:51:27 AM
I skate in rougher asphalt and stop with powerslides. I wanted to know if you recommend that I go with 99 or 101 duro wheels and what would be a better shape. I currently skate the 99 Classic shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on August 05, 2015, 04:23:26 AM
I skate in rougher asphalt and stop with powerslides. I wanted to know if you recommend that I go with 99 or 101 duro wheels and what would be a better shape. I currently skate the 99 Classic shape.

I've only skated the 99a Conicals (to much grip for me), 99a Classics (perfect for park) and 101 Classics (slippery in some parks and a little rough on the street) but it seems like the 101 Conicals would be perfect for what you need.  They'll be a little rough but if you powerslide alot, they will be hard to flat spot and will offer you a lot of control
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Post by: tanginacat on August 05, 2015, 07:15:56 AM
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I've only skated the 99a Conicals (to much grip for me), 99a Classics (perfect for park) and 101 Classics (slippery in some parks and a little rough on the street) but it seems like the 101 Conicals would be perfect for what you need.  They'll be a little rough but if you powerslide alot, they will be hard to flat spot and will offer you a lot of control

i skate roughs 99a's are pretty chill you could still slide but a lil tiny bit grippy works for me but 101's for sure are better on streets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2015, 09:11:10 AM
99a/101a Radials!  :o
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 05, 2015, 10:51:20 AM
Thank you for the advice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 05, 2015, 11:12:33 AM
99a will feel better travelling on rough asphalt, but not by much. Remember, we're only talking 2 levels of duro here 99, 100, 101 - the real difference is the grip, which I assume is more based around the formula than the duro as the 99s still slide great.

Radials are the hybrid shape, not so round as the classics and not so square as the conicals, it's as if they took the classic shape wore it down and  rounded the lip.

Still wish they were thinner ;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 05, 2015, 11:18:56 AM
99a will feel better travelling on rough asphalt, but not by much. Remember, we're only talking 2 levels of duro here 99, 100, 101 - the real difference is the grip, which I assume is more based around the formula than the duro as the 99s still slide great.

Radials are the hybrid shape, not so round as the classics and not so square as the conicals, it's as if they took the classic shape wore it down and  rounded the lip.

Still wish they were thinner ;)

I can only imagine how good the powerslides will feel on those. Now I need tissues
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CHANCHO on August 14, 2015, 11:43:33 AM
switched from crusty hand me down bones SPF wheels to 54mm 99 blue conicals and let me tell you those boys at spitfire are on to something.

smooth ride, feel great on street.  Its hard to describe but I prefer these wheels outside the park.  Very fast, very smooth but not in a cruiser wheel soft sort of way.  Nice lock in too, almost hung up lapping over on a smith.  A littttttle bit slippery in the dusty ass park compared to spf but that slide and scroitch  :o  I could also see how chipping could potentially be a problem but i'll report back later
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hannity on August 14, 2015, 02:42:05 PM
i picked up the conical full 58mm formula 4s since i always figure why not get the biggest wheel for your money. they are wide as fuck. and i'm gonna need to dig out my 1/8" riser pads that i haven't used since my first set-up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on August 14, 2015, 09:22:08 PM
Some classic shape 99a's in 55mm need to happen. I'd ride the fuck out of those.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2015, 09:36:08 AM
Some classic shape 99a's in 55mm need to happen. I'd ride the fuck out of those.

Just get 56 or 54?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FROST YOUR TIPS on August 16, 2015, 02:00:25 PM
riding 52's in the 99 duros and loving the shit outta them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Willie on August 16, 2015, 06:00:18 PM
Some classic shape 99a's in 55mm need to happen. I'd ride the fuck out of those.


That's basically what these are, only .5mm bigger: http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=47569 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=47569)


Go bomb a hill and power slide a bunch and they are 55s.


I'm riding them right now. Nice wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slapshakle on August 16, 2015, 06:58:24 PM
Shout out to Reed @ DLX. Cheers man!

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/slapshakle/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150817_102619_zps5z7g46vo.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 16, 2015, 07:31:39 PM
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Some classic shape 99a's in 55mm need to happen. I'd ride the fuck out of those.
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That's basically what these are, only .5mm bigger: http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=47569 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=47569)


Go bomb a hill and power slide a bunch and they are 55s.


I'm riding them right now. Nice wheels.


or


http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=59545 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=59545)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on August 17, 2015, 04:01:10 PM
After a month of skating the 99A conical full, it's safe to say that, indeed, they are too sticky. Other than that, the wheel is perfect so next time I'll switch it up too 101 A classic full to see how they feel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 17, 2015, 05:47:14 PM
After a month of skating the 99A conical full, it's safe to say that, indeed, they are too sticky. Other than that, the wheel is perfect so next time I'll switch it up too 101 A classic full to see how they feel.

Depending on what size you ride, the difference between conical full and classic full is pretty negligible

http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on August 17, 2015, 06:19:58 PM
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After a month of skating the 99A conical full, it's safe to say that, indeed, they are too sticky. Other than that, the wheel is perfect so next time I'll switch it up too 101 A classic full to see how they feel.
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Depending on what size you ride, the difference between conical full and classic full is pretty negligible

http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)

I ride 52s so that means classic full are even wider. I guess I have to try the conical 101a ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on August 17, 2015, 06:26:33 PM
My main problem is in the tranny section of my local park, we have this tall quarter pipe and I was trying to do reverts on it but I kept getting stuck halfway through the ''trick''... probably my fault but I just like to blame it on something else.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_AEr_jrRJByQ/S9tceCZMxLI/AAAAAAAAAHA/GFU6q7ckeCs/s1600/Sktpark+flamengo4+copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 17, 2015, 07:00:51 PM
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After a month of skating the 99A conical full, it's safe to say that, indeed, they are too sticky. Other than that, the wheel is perfect so next time I'll switch it up too 101 A classic full to see how they feel.
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Depending on what size you ride, the difference between conical full and classic full is pretty negligible

http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
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I ride 52s so that means classic full are even wider. I guess I have to try the conical 101a ?

If .5 mm is going to fuck your ocd, yes, conicals in 101a ;) otherwise, the slide quality of the 101a vs the 99s is significant a wider 101a will slide better than a narrower 99a (within a few mm), at least that's what it felt like to me.

Is that 1/4p slick (doesn't look it)? I was doing alleyoop/cess slides with 101s in a bowl, 99a I struggled with them (doable but too much more effort).

What's bizarre is after riding V5 STFs, which I flatspotted, I find them a nice middle ground between the 99a and 101a spits and they are nearly identical to the spit classic shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on August 17, 2015, 07:56:02 PM
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After a month of skating the 99A conical full, it's safe to say that, indeed, they are too sticky. Other than that, the wheel is perfect so next time I'll switch it up too 101 A classic full to see how they feel.
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Depending on what size you ride, the difference between conical full and classic full is pretty negligible

http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
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I ride 52s so that means classic full are even wider. I guess I have to try the conical 101a ?
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If .5 mm is going to fuck your ocd, yes, conicals in 101a ;) otherwise, the slide quality of the 101a vs the 99s is significant a wider 101a will slide better than a narrower 99a (within a few mm), at least that's what it felt like to me.

Is that 1/4p slick (doesn't look it)? I was doing alleyoop/cess slides with 101s in a bowl, 99a I struggled with them (doable but too much more effort).

What's bizarre is after riding V5 STFs, which I flatspotted, I find them a nice middle ground between the 99a and 101a spits and they are nearly identical to the spit classic shape.

I'm not OCD at all, I just like wider wheels mostly because I live in a city that has the shittiest ground so wide wheels offer a smoother ride.

The 1/4 feels like pretty much every other concrete park I've skated. I'm new in this city so it's the first set of wheels that I skate at that park so I really compare with other brands. That being said, I've been riding polar wheels (creative urethane) for the past 2 years, and doing reverts on concrete tranny we're easier than with the F4s.

Again, I'm just being hard on spitfire, the wheels are all around great and I would recommend them to anyone. But, if you're going to claim to have reinvented the wheel, I will be a tougher critic.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sk.A.T.A.N on August 18, 2015, 02:00:14 AM
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After a month of skating the 99A conical full, it's safe to say that, indeed, they are too sticky. Other than that, the wheel is perfect so next time I'll switch it up too 101 A classic full to see how they feel.
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Depending on what size you ride, the difference between conical full and classic full is pretty negligible

http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
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I ride 52s so that means classic full are even wider. I guess I have to try the conical 101a ?
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If .5 mm is going to fuck your ocd, yes, conicals in 101a ;) otherwise, the slide quality of the 101a vs the 99s is significant a wider 101a will slide better than a narrower 99a (within a few mm), at least that's what it felt like to me.

Is that 1/4p slick (doesn't look it)? I was doing alleyoop/cess slides with 101s in a bowl, 99a I struggled with them (doable but too much more effort).

What's bizarre is after riding V5 STFs, which I flatspotted, I find them a nice middle ground between the 99a and 101a spits and they are nearly identical to the spit classic shape.
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I'm not OCD at all, I just like wider wheels mostly because I live in a city that has the shittiest ground so wide wheels offer a smoother ride.

The 1/4 feels like pretty much every other concrete park I've skated. I'm new in this city so it's the first set of wheels that I skate at that park so I really compare with other brands. That being said, I've been riding polar wheels (creative urethane) for the past 2 years, and doing reverts on concrete tranny we're easier than with the F4s.

Again, I'm just being hard on spitfire, the wheels are all around great and I would recommend them to anyone. But, if you're going to claim to have reinvented the wheel, I will be a tougher critic.

Do you like those wheels? I gave some to a friend of mine in his birthday and havent saw a wheel burn as fast as those. in 2 months they gone from 52 to 45 and are conning like hell. He's not any pro material and barelly does powerslides...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Julz on August 18, 2015, 05:39:42 AM
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After a month of skating the 99A conical full, it's safe to say that, indeed, they are too sticky. Other than that, the wheel is perfect so next time I'll switch it up too 101 A classic full to see how they feel.
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Depending on what size you ride, the difference between conical full and classic full is pretty negligible

http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
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I ride 52s so that means classic full are even wider. I guess I have to try the conical 101a ?
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If .5 mm is going to fuck your ocd, yes, conicals in 101a ;) otherwise, the slide quality of the 101a vs the 99s is significant a wider 101a will slide better than a narrower 99a (within a few mm), at least that's what it felt like to me.

Is that 1/4p slick (doesn't look it)? I was doing alleyoop/cess slides with 101s in a bowl, 99a I struggled with them (doable but too much more effort).

What's bizarre is after riding V5 STFs, which I flatspotted, I find them a nice middle ground between the 99a and 101a spits and they are nearly identical to the spit classic shape.
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I'm not OCD at all, I just like wider wheels mostly because I live in a city that has the shittiest ground so wide wheels offer a smoother ride.

The 1/4 feels like pretty much every other concrete park I've skated. I'm new in this city so it's the first set of wheels that I skate at that park so I really compare with other brands. That being said, I've been riding polar wheels (creative urethane) for the past 2 years, and doing reverts on concrete tranny we're easier than with the F4s.

Again, I'm just being hard on spitfire, the wheels are all around great and I would recommend them to anyone. But, if you're going to claim to have reinvented the wheel, I will be a tougher critic.
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Do you like those wheels? I gave some to a friend of mine in his birthday and havent saw a wheel burn as fast as those. in 2 months they gone from 52 to 45 and are conning like hell. He's not any pro material and barelly does powerslides...

Yeah they did conned and burned quickly, but I was getting them at cost price (16$ compared to 50$ for spits in canada) so I kept buying a new pair every 5-6 months
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on August 19, 2015, 05:00:58 PM
After a month of skating the 99A conical full, it's safe to say that, indeed, they are too sticky. Other than that, the wheel is perfect so next time I'll switch it up too 101 A classic full to see how they feel.
I have 56mm 101a Conical Fulls, and they slide much better than the 52mm 99a classic shapes I had. The classic shape 101a is way to slippery for me, but the conical fulls in 101 are a perfect ratio of slide to grip. The only think I don't like about them is that because they're wider, I get wheelbite more easily.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on August 27, 2015, 08:04:32 AM
are the recent Busenitz F4s just regular classics with his name on them?  or are they special/shaped in some other way?

sub-question:  do guys get money from wheels with their name on them?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 27, 2015, 09:13:33 AM
are the recent Busenitz F4s just regular classics with his name on them?  or are they special/shaped in some other way?

sub-question:  do guys get money from wheels with their name on them?

Regular old classics.

One would hope that pros get a royalty on wheels sold with their name on the.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Randozzi on August 28, 2015, 09:25:26 AM
The Donnelly wheels are a different shape, don't remember what it called but the riding surface is wider than the classics but less than the conical. They look pretty nice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 28, 2015, 09:40:33 AM
The Donnelly wheels are a different shape, don't remember what it called but the riding surface is wider than the classics but less than the conical. They look pretty nice.

They're conicals.

http://spitfirewheels.com/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 14, 2015, 11:41:30 PM
Lenny, how much longer on the slim radials?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Greg on October 15, 2015, 03:52:26 AM
hands down some of the worst wheels I've ever skated

slides for literally no reason
eliminates ability to make sharp turns
if the ground is wet your wheels turn into butter
miss a 50-50 on a ledge, i dare you

they feel like i have rocks attached to my board
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on October 15, 2015, 07:46:10 AM
Lenny, how much longer on the slim radials?

They are literally just about to go into production!

I'd say maybe a week or two before they are available for shops/distros to purchase, and a week or two after that until they arrive at shops (depending on location obviously).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pile on October 15, 2015, 07:55:11 AM
hands down some of the worst wheels I've ever skated

slides for literally no reason
eliminates ability to make sharp turns
if the ground is wet your wheels turn into butter
miss a 50-50 on a ledge, i dare you

they feel like i have rocks attached to my board

what duro were you skating? i definitely slipped out a lot on the 101's, but the 99's have yet to be a problem for me. i switched to the conical full shape as well and i've never looked back.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on October 15, 2015, 09:09:16 AM
hands down some of the worst wheels I've ever skated

slides for literally no reason
eliminates ability to make sharp turns
if the ground is wet your wheels turn into butter
miss a 50-50 on a ledge, i dare you

they feel like i have rocks attached to my board

101's are slippery in a dusty park but great on the street.  Also, you have to break wheels in before you can really judge them.  They wont be as slippery after a few sessions
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on October 15, 2015, 09:13:11 AM
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Lenny, how much longer on the slim radials?
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They are literally just about to go into production!

I'd say maybe a week or two before they are available for shops/distros to purchase, and a week or two after that until they arrive at shops (depending on location obviously).

Beyond hyped on this.  I'll be picking up sets for both of my setups as soon as they come out.  Great call on doing the Radials as a slim first.  Definitely my favorite shape you guys have.  They've always just been a little too wide for me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shit_for_brains on October 15, 2015, 09:18:57 AM
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Lenny, how much longer on the slim radials?
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They are literally just about to go into production!

I'd say maybe a week or two before they are available for shops/distros to purchase, and a week or two after that until they arrive at shops (depending on location obviously).
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Beyond hyped on this.  I'll be picking up sets for both of my setups as soon as they come out.  Great call on doing the Radials as a slim first.  Definitely my favorite shape you guys have.  They've always just been a little too wide for me

Hallelujah.

Why did I think it would take more than two weeks to make a bunch of wheels? They don't make them by hand.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 15, 2015, 05:42:55 PM
looks like there already giving people samples of a slimmer version to test;

(http://i62.tinypic.com/sv589w.png)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 15, 2015, 05:51:03 PM
We have yet to see the profile in a photo. Hopefully they are narrower than classics.

Was hoping for the Daewon shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 15, 2015, 06:47:50 PM
We have yet to see the profile in a photo. Hopefully they are narrower than classics.

Was hoping for the Daewon shape.

yeah woulda been nice to see a side view of the wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 15, 2015, 07:11:03 PM
Hey lenny, very small percentage kinda question but any plans for a conical full swirl/full colour in a 53mm?  ;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on October 15, 2015, 08:06:21 PM
Been waiting for a slimmer F4 for a while now, can't wait. I'm a big fan of the V3 STFs, so if they're anything similar to that then it'll probably be all I ever buy from now on.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pussy popper,pot smoker on October 15, 2015, 10:56:14 PM
has there been a formula one?
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Post by: 4wheels on October 15, 2015, 11:31:06 PM
Been waiting for a slimmer F4 for a while now, can't wait. I'm a big fan of the V3 STFs, so if they're anything similar to that then it'll probably be all I ever buy from now on.
ive been riding the 50mm v3 for about 10 sets. dying to try these out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: drasp on October 16, 2015, 04:44:08 AM
Been riding 54mm 99a Classic shape F4s & LOVE them. I want to try another F4 variant for another "flavor". Was thinking 101a Conical Fulls for something on the other end of the scale. . . Sounds like more than a few of you finding the extra riding surface compliments the harder compound?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 16, 2015, 06:01:53 AM
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has there been a formula one?

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=spitfire%20f1 (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=spitfire%20f1)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pussy popper,pot smoker on October 16, 2015, 06:11:53 AM
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https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=spitfire%20f1 (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=spitfire%20f1)
lol jokes aside i have a set of busenitz street burners pretty much unskated from like 6 years ago, those fucking sucked, spitfire stepped their game up for sure, still sticking with bones pretty much for the color, spits yellow out faster, better grip though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on October 16, 2015, 07:52:34 AM
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We have yet to see the profile in a photo. Hopefully they are narrower than classics.

Was hoping for the Daewon shape.
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yeah woulda been nice to see a side view of the wheels
Got an early set of radial slims.
Side by side with classic cut f4
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMG_3255.jpg)
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on October 16, 2015, 10:30:06 AM
I'm sold.

Thanks for uploading the profile shots!
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Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 16, 2015, 10:41:04 AM
The riding surface looks wider than the classics.
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Post by: art hellman on October 16, 2015, 10:54:06 AM
I'd give those radial slims a try... shape looks good.
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Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 16, 2015, 11:03:06 AM
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https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=spitfire%20f1 (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=spitfire%20f1)
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lol jokes aside i have a set of busenitz street burners pretty much unskated from like 6 years ago, those fucking sucked, spitfire stepped their game up for sure, still sticking with bones pretty much for the color, spits yellow out faster, better grip though.
Fashion over function, I feel you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Silky Johnson on October 16, 2015, 12:22:10 PM
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https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=spitfire%20f1 (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=spitfire%20f1)
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lol jokes aside i have a set of busenitz street burners pretty much unskated from like 6 years ago, those fucking sucked, spitfire stepped their game up for sure, still sticking with bones pretty much for the color, spits yellow out faster, better grip though.
I actually prefer a more yellowed wheel beats your wheel looking like it came straight off a Toys R US complete
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shit_for_brains on October 16, 2015, 01:02:41 PM
The riding surface looks wider than the classics.

I was hoping the slim part they were talking about would be the riding surface. I guess I just can't skate spitfires.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on October 16, 2015, 02:36:07 PM
I feel like the riding surface width on classics gets a few mm wider after a week or two of skating anyways.
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Post by: fulfillthedream on October 17, 2015, 04:28:10 AM
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lol jokes aside i have a set of busenitz street burners pretty much unskated from like 6 years ago, those fucking sucked, spitfire stepped their game up for sure, still sticking with bones pretty much for the color, spits yellow out faster, better grip though.

how do you know fucking suck if they are un skated?  ??? ???
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Coconut Lotion on October 17, 2015, 02:22:03 PM
I'm sold.

Thanks for uploading the profile shots!

Yeah next wheel decided for sure
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: drasp on October 17, 2015, 02:26:25 PM
I went ahead & grabbed the 101a Conical Fulls I was asking about. Skated them @ Lakeland (concrete) for a few hours this AM. I'm not good enough to have any really nuanced thoughts, but they managed to be hard, loud & grippy in an awesome way while still allowing me to easily slide when I wanna. Probably too hard for skating my neighborhood streets, but will probably see more park use than my 99a/Classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: layzieyez on October 17, 2015, 04:45:27 PM
For a change, I tried out a set of the Ricta Parkburners and flat spotted them from frontside nosesliding a ledge a few times.  I only had those on my board for a month. 

Back to Sptifire F4 and I'm looking out for the radial slims for my next set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on October 17, 2015, 05:33:46 PM
Wreck>Bones>Autobahn>Spitfire

No 50 page bones thread, because they're good
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Post by: Coconut Lotion on October 18, 2015, 05:14:23 AM
What the fuck is wreck
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Post by: Silky Johnson on October 18, 2015, 08:22:25 AM
Tracers favorite inline wheel company
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Post by: Tracer on October 18, 2015, 10:15:55 AM
What the fuck is wreck
Chet Thomas' wheel company. The ruin formula puts spitfire to shame

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: drasp on October 18, 2015, 12:56:26 PM
Wreck>Bones>Autobahn>Spitfire

No 50 page bones thread, because they're good


I must be doing it all wrong. Have literally given away sets of STF & Autobahn after trying F4s. . .
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: imgne on October 18, 2015, 04:53:10 PM
But Wreck wheels don't slide
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on October 18, 2015, 06:53:06 PM
This might sound corny but formula fours actually get me motivated to skate. That slip to grip ratio... its addictive man... I'm not straying from these wheels if they stay this consistently good...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nancy Chin The Manicurist on October 19, 2015, 12:34:42 AM
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What the fuck is wreck
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Chet Thomas' wheel company. The ruin formula puts spitfire to shame

(https://i.vimeocdn.com/video/491784302_295x166.jpg)

wait so he runs two wheel companies? Or does Darkstar make only boards now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on October 19, 2015, 07:35:57 AM
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wait so he runs two wheel companies? Or does Darkstar make only boards now.
They haven't made wheels for a few years now, just pushed into being a pricepoint complete brand.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: layzieyez on October 19, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
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They haven't made wheels for a few years now, just pushed into being a pricepoint complete brand.
Wreck sounds like the same formula used by darkstar but rebranded.
Those shits did not powerslide at all.  I almost died bombing a hill with those fucking wheels in the early 2000's.  I was going pretty fast and went to powerslide to slow down and almost got tossed.  I ended riding the rest of it out, but yeah, fuck wreck if they're anything similar.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on October 19, 2015, 07:41:22 PM
But Wreck wheels don't slide
They are stickier than bones, but bones are wayyyy too slick. If you need to rely on your wheels sliding you're going the wrong way
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 20, 2015, 09:45:34 AM
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Was hoping for the Daewon shape.
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yeah woulda been nice to see a side view of the wheels
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Got an early set of radial slims.
Side by side with classic cut f4
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMG_3255.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMG_3256.jpg)

Thanks for these!

Any chance you can take another photo that is straight on and not at an angle to check the height?

Looks like a wide riding surface and marignally slimmer than the classics (their thinnest wheel outside of the daewon classic slim).

I'll bite but was hoping for something slimmer like a V2/Ricta/AB Nexus.
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Post by: 144p on October 20, 2015, 04:47:08 PM
Just set them up so can't really get a better photo.
Also should say the wheels in the pic are classic 54 and radial slims are a 52.
I feel like the radial slim is more like a radial and the regular radial really is a radial full.
Meaning imo the wheel isn't really that slim, but since they dropped a wheel with the name radial already that they had to call it a slim when really it parallels more with the conical and the standard radial more with the conical full.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: layzieyez on October 20, 2015, 04:49:35 PM
I hope they make a 56 in that shape.  I go through wheels too fast with anything smaller.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on October 21, 2015, 08:28:22 AM
Nice, gonna grab some 53-55mm radial slim 99a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on October 21, 2015, 08:43:49 AM

Also should say the wheels in the pic are classic 54 and radial slims are a 52.


so, based on the photo...am i seeing this correctly?...the radial slim 52 is almost as wide as a classic 54? 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on October 21, 2015, 09:00:16 AM
Just set them up so can't really get a better photo.
Also should say the wheels in the pic are classic 54 and radial slims are a 52.
I feel like the radial slim is more like a radial and the regular radial really is a radial full.
Meaning imo the wheel isn't really that slim, but since they dropped a wheel with the name radial already that they had to call it a slim when really it parallels more with the conical and the standard radial more with the conical full.

Hmm, that's what I was afraid of.  My guess is the Radial "slims" will be the same width as the regular Classics thus making it not an actual slim wheel. 

bummer
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 21, 2015, 12:13:45 PM
I knew it!  >:( ::) :'(

Well, here's hoping for the daewon slims in F4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on October 22, 2015, 12:39:32 AM
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I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
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Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible


i have flatspotted both f-4's and stfs on the first day of skating them. both incidents occured on extremely smooth concrete (the kind of stuff that is layed on warehouse floors), while i was going pretty slow and doing tricks on flat. i am very slim and i have also flatspotted a set of rictas on the same surface.
my opinion on these wheels (formula 4's) is that that they are by far the best wheels. their formula is bouncier than the stf (not softer but bouncier - which makes the wheels faster) and i think they also slide much more. the biggest advantage over the stfs is that the part of the wheel that hugs the bearing does not loosen up. with stfs i have noticed that after a month of use the ring that holds the bearing tight to the wheel loosens up and the wheels starts spinning around the bearing. this is unacceptable and to me its not the spitfires being good, rather its the stfs being terrible. if i skate stfs for a couple of months then i can take the bearings out of the wheels by just tipping the wheel and the bearing falls off! i really dont know why theres is all this hype with stfs. the reason i skate stfs is that they are the only decent wheel i can easily get hold of.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on October 22, 2015, 01:19:35 AM
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I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
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Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible
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i have flatspotted both f-4's and stfs on the first day of skating them. both incidents occured on extremely smooth concrete (the kind of stuff that is layed on warehouse floors), while i was going pretty slow and doing tricks on flat. i am very slim and i have also flatspotted a set of rictas on the same surface.
my opinion on these wheels (formula 4's) is that that they are by far the best wheels. their formula is bouncier than the stf (not softer but bouncier - which makes the wheels faster) and i think they also slide much more. the biggest advantage over the stfs is that the part of the wheel that hugs the bearing does not loosen up. with stfs i have noticed that after a month of use the ring that holds the bearing tight to the wheel loosens up and the wheels starts spinning around the bearing. this is unacceptable and to me its not the spitfires being good, rather its the stfs being terrible. if i skate stfs for a couple of months then i can take the bearings out of the wheels by just tipping the wheel and the bearing falls off! i really dont know why theres is all this hype with stfs. the reason i skate stfs is that they are the only decent wheel i can easily get hold of.
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you must be jocking, I know tons of people that rides STFs or have riden STFs in the past during months and even more than a year for somes and I've never ever heard such a story.
That and your whole text looks like some advertisement for Spitfire, it's just ridiculous
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: commander jameson on October 22, 2015, 02:53:22 AM
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I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
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Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible
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i have flatspotted both f-4's and stfs on the first day of skating them. both incidents occured on extremely smooth concrete (the kind of stuff that is layed on warehouse floors), while i was going pretty slow and doing tricks on flat. i am very slim and i have also flatspotted a set of rictas on the same surface.
my opinion on these wheels (formula 4's) is that that they are by far the best wheels. their formula is bouncier than the stf (not softer but bouncier - which makes the wheels faster) and i think they also slide much more. the biggest advantage over the stfs is that the part of the wheel that hugs the bearing does not loosen up. with stfs i have noticed that after a month of use the ring that holds the bearing tight to the wheel loosens up and the wheels starts spinning around the bearing. this is unacceptable and to me its not the spitfires being good, rather its the stfs being terrible. if i skate stfs for a couple of months then i can take the bearings out of the wheels by just tipping the wheel and the bearing falls off! i really dont know why theres is all this hype with stfs. the reason i skate stfs is that they are the only decent wheel i can easily get hold of.
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you must be jocking, I know tons of people that rides STFs or have riden STFs in the past during months and even more than a year for somes and I've never ever heard such a story.
That and your whole text looks like some advertisement for Spitfire, it's just ridiculous

This actually happened to me on several different sets of wheels during the years.
It usually happens when wheels are old and worn out, although it did happened to some lesser quality wheels that were not that old.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on October 22, 2015, 03:11:10 AM
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I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
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Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible
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i have flatspotted both f-4's and stfs on the first day of skating them. both incidents occured on extremely smooth concrete (the kind of stuff that is layed on warehouse floors), while i was going pretty slow and doing tricks on flat. i am very slim and i have also flatspotted a set of rictas on the same surface.
my opinion on these wheels (formula 4's) is that that they are by far the best wheels. their formula is bouncier than the stf (not softer but bouncier - which makes the wheels faster) and i think they also slide much more. the biggest advantage over the stfs is that the part of the wheel that hugs the bearing does not loosen up. with stfs i have noticed that after a month of use the ring that holds the bearing tight to the wheel loosens up and the wheels starts spinning around the bearing. this is unacceptable and to me its not the spitfires being good, rather its the stfs being terrible. if i skate stfs for a couple of months then i can take the bearings out of the wheels by just tipping the wheel and the bearing falls off! i really dont know why theres is all this hype with stfs. the reason i skate stfs is that they are the only decent wheel i can easily get hold of.
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you must be jocking, I know tons of people that rides STFs or have riden STFs in the past during months and even more than a year for somes and I've never ever heard such a story.
That and your whole text looks like some advertisement for Spitfire, it's just ridiculous
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This actually happened to me on several different sets of wheels during the years.
It usually happens when wheels are old and worn out, although it did happened to some lesser quality wheels that were not that old.
This.
I'm not saying it can't happen, but I doubt it ever happened on STFs after a month of use, as if STFs were total shit compared to every other wheels, specially Spitfire F4s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on October 22, 2015, 01:20:51 PM
All wheels flatspot, you can't escape it.
Something changed in Bones formula 2 years ago and the feel kinda went downhill.
I've seen a bunch flatspotted in the past year.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on October 23, 2015, 12:30:43 AM
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I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
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Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible
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i have flatspotted both f-4's and stfs on the first day of skating them. both incidents occured on extremely smooth concrete (the kind of stuff that is layed on warehouse floors), while i was going pretty slow and doing tricks on flat. i am very slim and i have also flatspotted a set of rictas on the same surface.
my opinion on these wheels (formula 4's) is that that they are by far the best wheels. their formula is bouncier than the stf (not softer but bouncier - which makes the wheels faster) and i think they also slide much more. the biggest advantage over the stfs is that the part of the wheel that hugs the bearing does not loosen up. with stfs i have noticed that after a month of use the ring that holds the bearing tight to the wheel loosens up and the wheels starts spinning around the bearing. this is unacceptable and to me its not the spitfires being good, rather its the stfs being terrible. if i skate stfs for a couple of months then i can take the bearings out of the wheels by just tipping the wheel and the bearing falls off! i really dont know why theres is all this hype with stfs. the reason i skate stfs is that they are the only decent wheel i can easily get hold of.
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:D
you must be jocking, I know tons of people that rides STFs or have riden STFs in the past during months and even more than a year for somes and I've never ever heard such a story.
That and your whole text looks like some advertisement for Spitfire, it's just ridiculous



no man, sorry for my style of writing but im greek so im a bit bad at english. maybe what happened to me (and a couple of friends) was due to the extremely hot conditions that i normally skate in. this is the reason i have experimented with rictas, trying to see if the inner core would help. im not promoting spitfires and am actually skating a set of stfs right now. saying this, i have to admit that this new set i got (v 5's) has not slacked round the bearings yet (2 months in now) and i was expecting this as the wheels are actually wider (the kind of conical shape in a way supports the area that hugs the bearing). the issue i mentioned before was very prominent in slim shaped wheels (v 3's mainly). im not sure, maybe the sets were faulty or whatever but it did happen and not just once. spitfire are much better anyway but are not distributed in my area (greece is financially fucked at the moment)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: the snake on October 23, 2015, 02:14:35 AM
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I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
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Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible
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i have flatspotted both f-4's and stfs on the first day of skating them. both incidents occured on extremely smooth concrete (the kind of stuff that is layed on warehouse floors), while i was going pretty slow and doing tricks on flat. i am very slim and i have also flatspotted a set of rictas on the same surface.
my opinion on these wheels (formula 4's) is that that they are by far the best wheels. their formula is bouncier than the stf (not softer but bouncier - which makes the wheels faster) and i think they also slide much more. the biggest advantage over the stfs is that the part of the wheel that hugs the bearing does not loosen up. with stfs i have noticed that after a month of use the ring that holds the bearing tight to the wheel loosens up and the wheels starts spinning around the bearing. this is unacceptable and to me its not the spitfires being good, rather its the stfs being terrible. if i skate stfs for a couple of months then i can take the bearings out of the wheels by just tipping the wheel and the bearing falls off! i really dont know why theres is all this hype with stfs. the reason i skate stfs is that they are the only decent wheel i can easily get hold of.
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:D
you must be jocking, I know tons of people that rides STFs or have riden STFs in the past during months and even more than a year for somes and I've never ever heard such a story.
That and your whole text looks like some advertisement for Spitfire, it's just ridiculous
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no man, sorry for my style of writing but im greek so im a bit bad at english. maybe what happened to me (and a couple of friends) was due to the extremely hot conditions that i normally skate in. this is the reason i have experimented with rictas, trying to see if the inner core would help. im not promoting spitfires and am actually skating a set of stfs right now. saying this, i have to admit that this new set i got (v 5's) has not slacked round the bearings yet (2 months in now) and i was expecting this as the wheels are actually wider (the kind of conical shape in a way supports the area that hugs the bearing). the issue i mentioned before was very prominent in slim shaped wheels (v 3's mainly). im not sure, maybe the sets were faulty or whatever but it did happen and not just once. spitfire are much better anyway but are not distributed in my area (greece is financially fucked at the moment)
i've experienced that with stf too, bearing falls of the wheel on one side of each wheel after a few months, but it's very hot where i live too...btw i had a new set with the bones customer thing, it's very cool from them cause i live very far away from the US, and for free !
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Greg on October 23, 2015, 02:34:45 AM
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hands down some of the worst wheels I've ever skated

slides for literally no reason
eliminates ability to make sharp turns
if the ground is wet your wheels turn into butter
miss a 50-50 on a ledge, i dare you

they feel like i have rocks attached to my board
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101's are slippery in a dusty park but great on the street.  Also, you have to break wheels in before you can really judge them.  They wont be as slippery after a few sessions

I gave them more than enough times. More than enough sessions. On multiple terrain. I don't feel safe skating with them, I've been trying out those mike Anderson wides. 99 duro I believe. I trust them with my life
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on October 23, 2015, 03:18:19 AM
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I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
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Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible
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i have flatspotted both f-4's and stfs on the first day of skating them. both incidents occured on extremely smooth concrete (the kind of stuff that is layed on warehouse floors), while i was going pretty slow and doing tricks on flat. i am very slim and i have also flatspotted a set of rictas on the same surface.
my opinion on these wheels (formula 4's) is that that they are by far the best wheels. their formula is bouncier than the stf (not softer but bouncier - which makes the wheels faster) and i think they also slide much more. the biggest advantage over the stfs is that the part of the wheel that hugs the bearing does not loosen up. with stfs i have noticed that after a month of use the ring that holds the bearing tight to the wheel loosens up and the wheels starts spinning around the bearing. this is unacceptable and to me its not the spitfires being good, rather its the stfs being terrible. if i skate stfs for a couple of months then i can take the bearings out of the wheels by just tipping the wheel and the bearing falls off! i really dont know why theres is all this hype with stfs. the reason i skate stfs is that they are the only decent wheel i can easily get hold of.
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:D
you must be jocking, I know tons of people that rides STFs or have riden STFs in the past during months and even more than a year for somes and I've never ever heard such a story.
That and your whole text looks like some advertisement for Spitfire, it's just ridiculous
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no man, sorry for my style of writing but im greek so im a bit bad at english. maybe what happened to me (and a couple of friends) was due to the extremely hot conditions that i normally skate in. this is the reason i have experimented with rictas, trying to see if the inner core would help. im not promoting spitfires and am actually skating a set of stfs right now. saying this, i have to admit that this new set i got (v 5's) has not slacked round the bearings yet (2 months in now) and i was expecting this as the wheels are actually wider (the kind of conical shape in a way supports the area that hugs the bearing). the issue i mentioned before was very prominent in slim shaped wheels (v 3's mainly). im not sure, maybe the sets were faulty or whatever but it did happen and not just once. spitfire are much better anyway but are not distributed in my area (greece is financially fucked at the moment)
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i've experienced that with stf too, bearing falls of the wheel on one side of each wheel after a few months, but it's very hot where i live too...btw i had a new set with the bones customer thing, it's very cool from them cause i live very far away from the US, and for free !



since i was a child it was rumoured that the powell camp had THE best customer service. back in the days of self delaminating boards (circa 1993 some boards would actually delaminate without crashing on a wall but by just popping tricks!!!) powell had this manufacture defects guarantee and they would actually replace a faulty board. amazing
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dengles on October 27, 2015, 04:38:20 PM
Was just gifted a pair of 52 mm radial fulls in 101A, someone got tired of seeing my old set that was down to under 40 mm, they started life as 56s and the east coast ruined them. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on October 28, 2015, 06:27:13 AM
Was just gifted a pair of 52 mm radial fulls in 101A, someone got tired of seeing my old set that was down to under 40 mm, they started life as 56s and the east coast ruined them. 
That's rad. Coincidentally i just gifted an old set of F4s to a friend last night. He had a set of black classic spits that were worn down to what looked like 40mms. I told him there's no way he's riding around with those, and threw him an old set of F4 101a's I had lying around that were 54 but are more like 50's now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dengles on October 28, 2015, 08:23:32 AM
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Was just gifted a pair of 52 mm radial fulls in 101A, someone got tired of seeing my old set that was down to under 40 mm, they started life as 56s and the east coast ruined them.� 
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That's rad. Coincidentally i just gifted an old set of F4s to a friend last night. He had a set of black classic spits that were worn down to what looked like 40mms. I told him there's no way he's riding around with those, and threw him an old set of F4 101a's I had lying around that were 54 but are more like 50's now.
Fuck yeah! sometimes it just takes a kick in the ass like being given free wheels to finally replace them. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on November 02, 2015, 02:42:55 PM
Specs for the Radial Slims just came out - http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)

They're a couple mm thinner than the classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on November 02, 2015, 06:46:48 PM
1MM difference than my regular conicals, not even trippin.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dima on November 03, 2015, 12:28:52 AM
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I am officially interested.

I was a Spitfire supporter for a while, and wanted to keep supporting them super badly, but I just couldn't stand buying a set of wheels and having them flatspot and wear out in the blink of an eye. I've been on the STF bandwagon for a few years now. If these wheels are anywhere near as good as STFs, it will be what I am buying from now on.
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Might have to try these out after seeing Josh flat spot STFs haha He did the impossible
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i have flatspotted both f-4's and stfs on the first day of skating them. both incidents occured on extremely smooth concrete (the kind of stuff that is layed on warehouse floors), while i was going pretty slow and doing tricks on flat. i am very slim and i have also flatspotted a set of rictas on the same surface.
my opinion on these wheels (formula 4's) is that that they are by far the best wheels. their formula is bouncier than the stf (not softer but bouncier - which makes the wheels faster) and i think they also slide much more. the biggest advantage over the stfs is that the part of the wheel that hugs the bearing does not loosen up. with stfs i have noticed that after a month of use the ring that holds the bearing tight to the wheel loosens up and the wheels starts spinning around the bearing. this is unacceptable and to me its not the spitfires being good, rather its the stfs being terrible. if i skate stfs for a couple of months then i can take the bearings out of the wheels by just tipping the wheel and the bearing falls off! i really dont know why theres is all this hype with stfs. the reason i skate stfs is that they are the only decent wheel i can easily get hold of.
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:D
you must be jocking, I know tons of people that rides STFs or have riden STFs in the past during months and even more than a year for somes and I've never ever heard such a story.
That and your whole text looks like some advertisement for Spitfire, it's just ridiculous
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no man, sorry for my style of writing but im greek so im a bit bad at english. maybe what happened to me (and a couple of friends) was due to the extremely hot conditions that i normally skate in. this is the reason i have experimented with rictas, trying to see if the inner core would help. im not promoting spitfires and am actually skating a set of stfs right now. saying this, i have to admit that this new set i got (v 5's) has not slacked round the bearings yet (2 months in now) and i was expecting this as the wheels are actually wider (the kind of conical shape in a way supports the area that hugs the bearing). the issue i mentioned before was very prominent in slim shaped wheels (v 3's mainly). im not sure, maybe the sets were faulty or whatever but it did happen and not just once. spitfire are much better anyway but are not distributed in my area (greece is financially fucked at the moment)
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i've experienced that with stf too, bearing falls of the wheel on one side of each wheel after a few months, but it's very hot where i live too...btw i had a new set with the bones customer thing, it's very cool from them cause i live very far away from the US, and for free !

I have skated strictly STFs(v2s and 3s) and never had any problems for the past 5 years in Spanish heat around 40 celsius at best.
Flatspotted a shitload of spitfires before tho, never tried the formula4s so cant say anything about those...

edit. and I dont know any other wheel that stays white for the whole duration that they are used, I dont fuck with yellow wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 04, 2015, 02:49:16 PM
1-2mm difference and they are calling it a slim? Hasn't anyone over at DLX looked at an STV V3/AB Street slims/NRGs or <insert other obviously slim wheel>?

I flatspotted a set of STF V5s around a month ago doing noseslides, sent them in and was sent a replacement. Still haven't used them.

Flattspotted my Ricta NRG park crushers in a park doing a powerslide, haven't bothered to contact them.

I've ridden a few sets of F4s and haven't flatt'd a single one.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on November 04, 2015, 03:26:06 PM
1-2mm difference and they are calling it a slim? Hasn't anyone over at DLX looked at an STV V3/AB Street slims/NRGs or <insert other obviously slim wheel>?

I flatspotted a set of STF V5s around a month ago doing noseslides, sent them in and was sent a replacement. Still haven't used them.

Flattspotted my Ricta NRG park crushers in a park doing a powerslide, haven't bothered to contact them.

I've ridden a few sets of F4s and haven't flatt'd a single one.

The Radial-Slim is just a slimmer version of the Radial shape.

It's not supposed to be a new stand-alone 'slim' wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on November 04, 2015, 03:45:56 PM
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1-2mm difference and they are calling it a slim? Hasn't anyone over at DLX looked at an STV V3/AB Street slims/NRGs or <insert other obviously slim wheel>?

I flatspotted a set of STF V5s around a month ago doing noseslides, sent them in and was sent a replacement. Still haven't used them.

Flattspotted my Ricta NRG park crushers in a park doing a powerslide, haven't bothered to contact them.

I've ridden a few sets of F4s and haven't flatt'd a single one.
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The Radial-Slim is just a slimmer version of the Radial shape.

It's not supposed to be a new stand-alone 'slim' wheel.

Yo, Lenny - that's what we all want though!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on November 04, 2015, 04:14:07 PM
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1-2mm difference and they are calling it a slim? Hasn't anyone over at DLX looked at an STV V3/AB Street slims/NRGs or <insert other obviously slim wheel>?

I flatspotted a set of STF V5s around a month ago doing noseslides, sent them in and was sent a replacement. Still haven't used them.

Flattspotted my Ricta NRG park crushers in a park doing a powerslide, haven't bothered to contact them.

I've ridden a few sets of F4s and haven't flatt'd a single one.
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The Radial-Slim is just a slimmer version of the Radial shape.

It's not supposed to be a new stand-alone 'slim' wheel.
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Yo, Lenny - that's what we all want though!

I know fellas!

All I can say right now is that we hear you, and there is something in the works..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shredbuffalo on November 06, 2015, 07:08:49 AM
I need to ask everyone here a question because I'm about to give up on Spitfires for good which sucks because I've always ridden them and they're my favorite wheels...I'm regular and for some reason my back, toe side wheel always cones/gets worn down way faster than the other three. Has anyone else ever experienced this? Right now I'm riding the 53mm/99a "What, Me Spit?" and it happened so fast. I flipped it over and it coned again. I don't do a lot of powerslides, and admittedly the ground here is pretty rough (even the formula fours that I've had have worn out really quick!) I skate once or twice a week, usually for a few hours, and I feel that a set of wheels should last me a lot longer than Spitfires have been lately. I've had this set for a month and a half and the size difference in the one wheel is huge, not to mention all of the chunks and divots missing out of them from the rough ground...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: perverted super otaku! on November 06, 2015, 07:15:54 AM
if you skid your tricks this happens, i just rotate em
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on November 06, 2015, 08:11:12 AM
I need to ask everyone here a question because I'm about to give up on Spitfires for good which sucks because I've always ridden them and they're my favorite wheels...I'm regular and for some reason my back, toe side wheel always cones/gets worn down way faster than the other three. Has anyone else ever experienced this? Right now I'm riding the 53mm/99a "What, Me Spit?" and it happened so fast. I flipped it over and it coned again. I don't do a lot of powerslides, and admittedly the ground here is pretty rough (even the formula fours that I've had have worn out really quick!) I skate once or twice a week, usually for a few hours, and I feel that a set of wheels should last me a lot longer than Spitfires have been lately. I've had this set for a month and a half and the size difference in the one wheel is huge, not to mention all of the chunks and divots missing out of them from the rough ground...
Try other brands and find what is more suitable for your skating.
Everybody has his own preferences or they way to ride a board, what suits for some doesn't necessarily suits for you.
Wheels are like shoes, trucks or board you don't need to follow everybody and use the same products as the others if it doesn't suits your needs.
Try different brands and eventually you'll find out that Spitfire are not the best for you, or on the contrary that they are the best for your skating.
I love Toy Machine, but never find a shape that I licked, suited my needs so I've never rode any toy machine board.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: starwars on November 06, 2015, 08:22:04 AM
Where can you buy the radial slims, are they not out yet?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tanginacat on November 06, 2015, 08:55:58 AM
can som1 tell me the difference between radials 101 54mm / classics full 101 53mm / classics 101 53mm cant decide thanks
these are the only 3 wheels in the shop that i like no sizes to choose
already got the luans conical 99 want to try a lil bit more slidey
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GinosGroceries on November 06, 2015, 09:40:59 PM
It would be awesome if the tablet shape made a return. Especially if they brought it back in 99 duro.
Just wanted to throw that out there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on November 06, 2015, 09:50:42 PM
Where can you buy the radial slims, are they not out yet?

they're out now http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=62403 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=62403)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on November 06, 2015, 09:51:57 PM
can som1 tell me the difference between radials 101 54mm / classics full 101 53mm / classics 101 53mm cant decide thanks
these are the only 3 wheels in the shop that i like no sizes to choose
already got the luans conical 99 want to try a lil bit more slidey

If you want to slide more, you need a harder wheel and a slimmer riding surface.  go with the classic 101's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: starwars on November 07, 2015, 11:10:54 AM
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Where can you buy the radial slims, are they not out yet?
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they're out now http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=62403 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=62403)
Thanks. Figures they don't have 51's though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Willie on November 09, 2015, 06:25:00 AM
I just don't like how the width on Spitfires jumps by 2mm when you go from 54s to 55s. Not every brand does this. I know at some point stability and lateral strength become an issue so you can't make super skinny 60mm wheels, but it's a bummer that to get a slightly bigger diameter you are forced to get a bulkier wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: No1knows on November 13, 2015, 04:43:29 AM
Damn I just read 20 pages of that topic and I finally found what wheelies of the F4 im gonna get.
Someone posted that link to purchase cheap spits but I cant seem to find the Tablet... Someone ?
Edit: Are they like the Classic <<full>> or Conical <<full>>
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?pg=2&l=product_list&c=1955&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?pg=2&l=product_list&c=1955&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on November 13, 2015, 06:35:25 AM
Damn I just read 20 pages of that topic and I finally found what wheelies of the F4 im gonna get.
Someone posted that link to purchase cheap spits but I cant seem to find the Tablet... Someone ?
Edit: Are they like the Classic <<full>> or Conical <<full>>
http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?pg=2&l=product_list&c=1955&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?pg=2&l=product_list&c=1955&l=product_list&sortby=id:desc)


I believe the tablets were similar to the Conical Full but without the sidecut
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: No1knows on November 13, 2015, 12:29:19 PM
Thank you fam.
Anyways is there really a big difference between the sidecut and without ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on November 13, 2015, 02:17:36 PM
Thank you fam.
Anyways is there really a big difference between the sidecut and without ?

No difference at all other than "reduced weight" which I'm assuming is about as much as a clipping of grass
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: No1knows on November 13, 2015, 08:36:24 PM
Cool Thanks yo.
After a full day of lurking online I finally know which one im getting.
good timing after getting a complete stolen at the bar. fuuuu
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: skate_spbr on November 17, 2015, 08:20:13 AM
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I need to ask everyone here a question because I'm about to give up on Spitfires for good which sucks because I've always ridden them and they're my favorite wheels...I'm regular and for some reason my back, toe side wheel always cones/gets worn down way faster than the other three. Has anyone else ever experienced this? Right now I'm riding the 53mm/99a "What, Me Spit?" and it happened so fast. I flipped it over and it coned again. I don't do a lot of powerslides, and admittedly the ground here is pretty rough (even the formula fours that I've had have worn out really quick!) I skate once or twice a week, usually for a few hours, and I feel that a set of wheels should last me a lot longer than Spitfires have been lately. I've had this set for a month and a half and the size difference in the one wheel is huge, not to mention all of the chunks and divots missing out of them from the rough ground...
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Try other brands and find what is more suitable for your skating.
Everybody has his own preferences or they way to ride a board, what suits for some doesn't necessarily suits for you.
Wheels are like shoes, trucks or board you don't need to follow everybody and use the same products as the others if it doesn't suits your needs.
Try different brands and eventually you'll find out that Spitfire are not the best for you, or on the contrary that they are the best for your skating.
I love Toy Machine, but never find a shape that I licked, suited my needs so I've never rode any toy machine board.
dude, don't lick boards, it's gross
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on November 17, 2015, 08:58:18 AM
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I need to ask everyone here a question because I'm about to give up on Spitfires for good which sucks because I've always ridden them and they're my favorite wheels...I'm regular and for some reason my back, toe side wheel always cones/gets worn down way faster than the other three. Has anyone else ever experienced this? Right now I'm riding the 53mm/99a "What, Me Spit?" and it happened so fast. I flipped it over and it coned again. I don't do a lot of powerslides, and admittedly the ground here is pretty rough (even the formula fours that I've had have worn out really quick!) I skate once or twice a week, usually for a few hours, and I feel that a set of wheels should last me a lot longer than Spitfires have been lately. I've had this set for a month and a half and the size difference in the one wheel is huge, not to mention all of the chunks and divots missing out of them from the rough ground...
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Try other brands and find what is more suitable for your skating.
Everybody has his own preferences or they way to ride a board, what suits for some doesn't necessarily suits for you.
Wheels are like shoes, trucks or board you don't need to follow everybody and use the same products as the others if it doesn't suits your needs.
Try different brands and eventually you'll find out that Spitfire are not the best for you, or on the contrary that they are the best for your skating.
I love Toy Machine, but never find a shape that I licked, suited my needs so I've never rode any toy machine board.
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dude, don't lick boards, it's gross
Everybody has his perversions. Don't judge me :'(
What is yours?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: darbuzz on November 22, 2015, 08:08:37 AM
Right guys straight up best all around , 101 or 99 classics?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on November 22, 2015, 08:38:59 AM
Right guys straight up best all around , 101 or 99 classics?
At my shop we sell the 99's 5 to 1 over the 101's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on November 22, 2015, 08:54:25 AM
Really curious about the 101s but can't bring myself to take the risk as the 99s are so good...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jake From State Farm on November 22, 2015, 09:08:43 AM
The 99's are far superior to the 101's. Especially if you get a shape like the conical fulls, the wider surface just adds to the grippy nature of that urethane
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on November 23, 2015, 05:25:06 AM
The 99's are far superior to the 101's. Especially if you get a shape like the conical fulls, the wider surface just adds to the grippy nature of that urethane

i am very surprised to see people wanting extra grip on their wheels. i always thought that skaters were after the harder wheels because these wheels are easy to revert after a failed 180 or 360 and kind of cheat and still land the trick. plus its easier to powerslide with harder wheels. they also sound much better than the dead sound the soft ones make. i always thought soft wheels are used in complete price-point set ups sold at jock shops. i really dont wanna sound funny here but in my whole life i have never seen anyone prefer soft wheels over hard ones. actually only seen this once with some swedish brand ("sweet skateboards"- now "sour solutions" or something) producing softer wheels to bear the freezing temperatures in their country. interesting find as i kept wondering how come all spitfire pro models are 99 duro. crazy. sorry for my poor english - i hope i make sense
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 20matar on November 23, 2015, 05:40:44 AM
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The 99's are far superior to the 101's. Especially if you get a shape like the conical fulls, the wider surface just adds to the grippy nature of that urethane
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i am very surprised to see people wanting extra grip on their wheels. i always thought that skaters were after the harder wheels because these wheels are easy to revert after a failed 180 or 360 and kind of cheat and still land the trick. plus its easier to powerslide with harder wheels. they also sound much better than the dead sound the soft ones make. i always thought soft wheels are used in complete price-point set ups sold at jock shops. i really dont wanna sound funny here but in my whole life i have never seen anyone prefer soft wheels over hard ones. actually only seen this once with some swedish brand ("sweet skateboards"- now "sour solutions" or something) producing softer wheels to bear the freezing temperatures in their country. interesting find as i kept wondering how come all spitfire pro models are 99 duro. crazy. sorry for my poor english - i hope i make sense

99 isn't a pudding duro.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on November 23, 2015, 06:13:50 AM
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The 99's are far superior to the 101's. Especially if you get a shape like the conical fulls, the wider surface just adds to the grippy nature of that urethane
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i am very surprised to see people wanting extra grip on their wheels. i always thought that skaters were after the harder wheels because these wheels are easy to revert after a failed 180 or 360 and kind of cheat and still land the trick. plus its easier to powerslide with harder wheels. they also sound much better than the dead sound the soft ones make. i always thought soft wheels are used in complete price-point set ups sold at jock shops. i really dont wanna sound funny here but in my whole life i have never seen anyone prefer soft wheels over hard ones. actually only seen this once with some swedish brand ("sweet skateboards"- now "sour solutions" or something) producing softer wheels to bear the freezing temperatures in their country. interesting find as i kept wondering how come all spitfire pro models are 99 duro. crazy. sorry for my poor english - i hope i make sense
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99 isn't a pudding duro.

to be honest i have never tried the 99d but some other brands' 98d (i think) for example was too soft. to the point that i even felt to be slowed down when doing manuals. it was probably in my head and i fully respect most people's choice. still though, i would go for the hardest i could find. i wish they were making some 103d haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on November 23, 2015, 07:24:21 AM
Just cuz a wheel is harder doesn't automatically mean that it's easier to slide with. Don't believe me? Wreck wheels. Nuff said.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on November 23, 2015, 09:27:26 AM
As a fat guy, I like the 101 classics. I've had classic, conical, and conical full 99s and they all felt sluggish.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Silky Johnson on November 23, 2015, 04:10:10 PM
99s slide just fine without compromising grip, I've skate both 99s and 101s and prefer the 99s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: darbuzz on November 24, 2015, 04:24:09 AM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ferraveemo on November 24, 2015, 11:22:40 AM
I've been stoked on my radials lately. had to step down a couple millimeters because there a little too wide, especially when set up with 149's. I've also noticed some homies classics lately, they tend to widened after awhile. they seem to always go on sale so I'll go scoop some for the low to see how they compare.

Anyone else find the 99's to wear out quickly?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on November 24, 2015, 12:15:04 PM
i like the way they wear. i tend to buy my wheels a mm or two bigger than the ideal for that reason.

 i'm riding some classic shape f4s right now that  are close to being sub 50mm but they're so good i can't bring myself to put new wheels on and i generally like big wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TatoConyo on December 26, 2015, 07:40:49 PM
Got my first pair of formula 4s (53mm 99 duro conical shape) after years of skating stfs, ive skated these wheels 2 times and i dont ever see myself going back to bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: concerned_parent on December 28, 2015, 10:40:06 AM
Got my first pair of formula 4s (53mm 99 duro conical shape) after years of skating stfs, ive skated these wheels 2 times and i dont ever see myself going back to bones.

same. got a pair of 54 conicals on cyber monday and after probably 4-5 years of STF's I don't think I'll go back unless I see some crazy neon green adam dyet wheels on a clearance rack somewhere
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: No1knows on December 30, 2015, 01:13:41 AM
Just got the 99 classic 52 mm.
Kinda of a bummer since I usually skate over 54 mm but they were the last one with the 101 52 mm classic.
Can't wait to try em out !!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: concerned_parent on December 31, 2015, 09:15:42 AM
Cool Thanks yo.
After a full day of lurking online I finally know which one im getting.
good timing after getting a complete stolen at the bar. fuuuu

i skate to my local jawn all the time and i'm waiting for the day it mysteriously disappears
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on December 31, 2015, 03:53:57 PM
I'm currently running some purple Ishod 53 classic 99's, basically because that was the biggest FF they had at my local. I skate bowls and transition 99 percent of the time, with some of the bowls around here going on 20 years old and unsealed, rough as. I've had them for about 9 months and they are now sub 50, but still feel awesome!
Like someone said earlier, it's not like they reinvented the wheel, but they are a pretty solid all rounder.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on January 01, 2016, 07:19:33 PM
I'm currently running some purple Ishod 53 classic 99's, basically because that was the biggest FF they had at my local. I skate bowls and transition 99 percent of the time, with some of the bowls around here going on 20 years old and unsealed, rough as. I've had them for about 9 months and they are now sub 50, but still feel awesome!
Like someone said earlier, it's not like they reinvented the wheel, but they are a pretty solid all rounder.

same. i usually skate 56s but i had some 54s F4 99as that i wore down to sub 50 and they were still amazing. it actually made a nice change to have such low ride.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Green Bastard on January 02, 2016, 06:54:35 PM
Has anyone skated the full conical f4? Thinking of switching up the shape but sticking with spits
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on January 02, 2016, 07:43:24 PM
I'm not too picky about shape but the conical fulls seem to have a bit more grip and lock onto coping nicely. Probably last a little longer also. Good shit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 02, 2016, 08:15:08 PM
Has anyone skated the full conical f4? Thinking of switching up the shape but sticking with spits

Been on my set over a year & love em, but some dudes have said they're outrageously wide. If that doesn't sound like your thing, try the standard conicals then if you're into it bump up to the conical full
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Green Bastard on January 02, 2016, 08:27:01 PM
Sweet! I've been trying to get into vert, mostly qp's and bowls. But I still wanted to be able skate street.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ferraveemo on January 03, 2016, 12:10:18 AM
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Been on my set over a year & love em, but some dudes have said they're outrageously wide. If that doesn't sound like your thing, try the standard conicals then if you're into it bump up to the conical full

the only reason why i can't get into conical's is when they wear out. they square out even more that they already do. i'm assuming the radial slims fixed the too much width issue but i haven't tried them or it gives you an option to have a good amount of width without having too much. for me the radials is just like the classics after you've broken them in and skated them for some time. it gives you a broken-in shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hannity on January 03, 2016, 04:10:24 PM
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Has anyone skated the full conical f4? Thinking of switching up the shape but sticking with spits
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Been on my set over a year & love em, but some dudes have said they're outrageously wide. If that doesn't sound like your thing, try the standard conicals then if you're into it bump up to the conical full
same. i happen to love very fat wheels- i said fuck it and got the 58mms. wider riding surface makes me feel more stable, especially on bad terrain. but some people aren't into it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ChuckRamone on January 17, 2016, 07:49:17 AM
had to see what all the hype was about with these wheels and they are incredible. fast and smooth. and they feel strangely light, like your board is almost floating at times. bearings pop in and out easily, which is a major plus as well. do they ride like this the whole time or only when new? that's my only worry.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on January 17, 2016, 04:43:46 PM
They stay good. I usually ride big wheels but I had a set of F4s that started off at 54mm and I rode down to about 49mm. Just couldn't bring myself to take them off as they felt great the whole way. I rotate my wheels every few weeks but these wore pretty evenly anyway... Still yet to flatspot any F4s and I've been riding nothing but these wheels for a few years now. Classics and Conical Fulls.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xtal on January 17, 2016, 05:51:36 PM
Always went with the Classic 101a 54mm and now I'm trying out some 99a's since indoor parks are slippery as shit. Fucking hate winter...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 29, 2016, 11:00:48 PM
These things took a fucking beating, only had to replace them due to a shoot out that took a chunk out of my wheel
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12568062_497914973726225_1437838951_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on January 30, 2016, 10:11:26 AM
SPITFIRE FORMULA FOURS ARE THE BEST FUCKING WHEELS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD


don't be an idiot and get some
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dengles on January 30, 2016, 11:05:47 AM
Well it's indoor park time for the next several weeks and even my 101s are slipping less than bones ever did for me. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on January 30, 2016, 01:34:51 PM
I still have my first set of F4s

I BOUGHT THEM WHEN THEY FIRST CAME OUT...all other wheels are obsolete, I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on February 05, 2016, 01:52:28 PM
Has anyone skated the full conical f4? Thinking of switching up the shape but sticking with spits
I have the 101's and I love them. The classic shape 101 is really slippery (IMO) but the extra width makes up for it. By so far my favorite wheels I've ever had. You can slide them pretty easily, but I've ridden them in some slick indoor skateparks and they felt fine there too. The definition of happy medium for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on February 19, 2016, 11:08:53 PM
I've had 3 sets, flatspotted one, and recently got a small piece knocked out small of piece from these. I agree they are the best wheels out. I have some welcome orbs on my set up now, i'm not liking them as much as my last 3 sets of F4's. I just ordered another set, but my fat ass wears these wheels down i guess.
(http://i.imgur.com/J6OAtKh.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on February 19, 2016, 11:11:30 PM
I've had 3 sets, flatspotted one, and recently got a small piece knocked out small of piece from these. I agree they are the best wheels out. I have some welcome orbs on my set up now, i'm not liking them as much as my last 3 sets of F4's. I just ordered another set, but my fat ass wears these wheels down i guess.

Honestly, going from these to any other wheels jut messes your expectation. Tried some Autobahn wheels and they blow them off the water.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: starwars on February 20, 2016, 07:03:50 AM
Has anyone seen the radial slims in a 51...anywhere?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on February 22, 2016, 12:23:13 PM
Has anyone seen the radial slims in a 51...anywhere?

The smallest we make them is 52mm, at the moment.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on February 22, 2016, 12:26:13 PM
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Has anyone seen the radial slims in a 51...anywhere?
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The smallest we make them is 52mm, at the moment.

Please make a 51mm. Thanks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on February 22, 2016, 01:03:11 PM
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Has anyone seen the radial slims in a 51...anywhere?
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The smallest we make them is 52mm, at the moment.
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Please make a 51mm. Thanks.

I'll make sure that the request is noted :-*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on February 22, 2016, 01:08:01 PM
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The smallest we make them is 52mm, at the moment.
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Please make a 51mm. Thanks.
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I'll make sure that the request is noted :-*

Awesome. Is there Radial Slims 51mm available now? I don't see a 51mm in the Spring 2016 catalog.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on February 22, 2016, 01:50:25 PM
I've had 3 sets, flatspotted one, and recently got a small piece knocked out small of piece from these. I agree they are the best wheels out. I have some welcome orbs on my set up now, i'm not liking them as much as my last 3 sets of F4's. I just ordered another set, but my fat ass wears these wheels down i guess.

That has literally happened on all but one set of F4s I've ever had. In the exact same spot too, the outer corner area. I actually posted about it on slap somewhere years ago and Lenny or someone actually hit ME up offering replacements. Stand up customer service quality as usual. The replacement set I got was great, but ended up having the same thing happen to them eventually a little down the road. Then a set I bought after that had the same happen within the first week too. DLX said if I ever have problems again to contact them whenever to let them know, but I decided not to, I just didn't want to keep bothering them over something this small and feel like a hassle, plus the wheels still skated fine, the missing chunk doesn't effect the ride of the wheel at all. It has happened on just about every set of F4s I've had since then somewhere down the road though, but i generally don't pay too much mind to it unless its a huge chunk. I used to have gnarly gear OCD a couple years back, but have since learned to just stop caring as much. I used to freak out over stuff like this or over dirty griptape or little board chips, these days, not as much.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 22, 2016, 02:59:15 PM
While lenny's around taking in requests, might as well ask for something i've been pining for since the release of the conical fulls.
somewhere down the pipeline would you guys bring out a colored conical full in a 53mm, i've seen them in other sizes and shapes but i like me a 53 too much to scale up or down, i just wanna mash em up a la lance mountain style.
xo  :-*.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on February 22, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
A while back i was at the park after not skating for almost a month, i was trying back 3s on a bank and i couldnt get the slide right(with different wheels).

 I went back the next day with a different set up with formula fours and man i could slide the last part of them perfect.

 I got hit up about replacing my wheels too, which is pretty cool.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on February 22, 2016, 08:10:55 PM
While lenny's around taking in requests,

Colored F4s in bigger sizes. 54+....

I want a classic 54-56mm in orange.

Loved orange spits in the late 90s...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ducky darnsworth on February 22, 2016, 08:25:10 PM
i think i might get another pair of spits since bones stf are hard as fuck to find in my preference, some of the new shapes look nice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on February 23, 2016, 01:20:39 AM
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I've had 3 sets, flatspotted one, and recently got a small piece knocked out small of piece from these. I agree they are the best wheels out. I have some welcome orbs on my set up now, i'm not liking them as much as my last 3 sets of F4's. I just ordered another set, but my fat ass wears these wheels down i guess.

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That has literally happened on all but one set of F4s I've ever had. In the exact same spot too, the outer corner area. I actually posted about it on slap somewhere years ago and Lenny or someone actually hit ME up offering replacements. Stand up customer service quality as usual. The replacement set I got was great, but ended up having the same thing happen to them eventually a little down the road. Then a set I bought after that had the same happen within the first week too. DLX said if I ever have problems again to contact them whenever to let them know, but I decided not to, I just didn't want to keep bothering them over something this small and feel like a hassle, plus the wheels still skated fine, the missing chunk doesn't effect the ride of the wheel at all. It has happened on just about every set of F4s I've had since then somewhere down the road though, but i generally don't pay too much mind to it unless its a huge chunk. I used to have gnarly gear OCD a couple years back, but have since learned to just stop caring as much. I used to freak out over stuff like this or over dirty griptape or little board chips, these days, not as much.

same thing has happened to all the sets of f4s i've ridden and as you said it does not effect the ride. the place i mostly skate has blocks with angle iron and i mostly blame its sharpness for those chips
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on April 11, 2016, 02:30:41 PM
SLIM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12677234_565917020244266_349652728_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIyNjIyMTU5NjM5MDQ0MTc2Ng%3D%3D.2)
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Post by: glutton. on April 11, 2016, 03:30:56 PM
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Colored F4s in bigger sizes. 54+....

I want a classic 54-56mm in orange.

Loved orange spits in the late 90s...
I had a pair of orange ones as well as a light blue set. I thought they were 54 mm, but they were probably 52-53 mm. I'm probably on my 15-20th set, but I skate a bunch of crusty shit. The only other wheels I had in between my F4s were a set of PFC. I've always been a Deluxe fan since I started skateboarding, so I hated having to buy Bones STF a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on April 11, 2016, 03:51:57 PM
Need to get some of those Reynolds in 53mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ferraveemo on April 11, 2016, 05:07:07 PM
felt stupid throwing away four months old regular classic shape spits(non f4's). they were only worn down on the back truck where most of the wear from power slides are taken. has anyone on here rotate their wheels as say like cars do every certain amount of miles. as say months or sometime after they've put them on their set-up? ever since i've gotten regular spits, i've been into how they look after being worn down, surprisingly they don't cone like bones do.

I got a pair of f4 classic 99a full shape and radials 101a sitting. my first pair of f4's were the 99a radials and they ride smooth but starting to get all square but it wears pretty evenly.

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12965157_572444849579864_415483459_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIyNjI5MzU5NTA5MDAzNTk2OA%3D%3D.2)

^^^satori's post about rotating skate wheels to extend the life of it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: themanwhomakes on April 11, 2016, 06:29:59 PM
Anyone ever had one wheel wear down insanely fast? On every board i've ever rode the back heel one wears down the quickest, but on my current 52mm f4 classics, the front heel has worn down insanely fast. I feel like it has to be a defect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on April 11, 2016, 07:03:38 PM
SLIM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12677234_565917020244266_349652728_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIyNjIyMTU5NjM5MDQ0MTc2Ng%3D%3D.2)

STOPPPPPPPPPP


they did it.  this is it.  there's just no reason to buy anything else other than a Formula Four at this point

if you go somewhere many pages back, you'll see my wish for slim ones, and goddammit, they did it.  i cannot wait to try a set.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 11, 2016, 11:22:43 PM
SLIM
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12677234_565917020244266_349652728_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIyNjIyMTU5NjM5MDQ0MTc2Ng%3D%3D.2)

where'd you see these? i wanna try em out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Krooked antihero on April 12, 2016, 12:58:53 AM
^ Wish i could get my hands on those but it's propably going to take a year atleast for them to arrive here upnorth ;(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Silky Johnson on April 12, 2016, 02:08:34 AM
Those slims out yet? Definitely wanna try some after my current set of F4s wear down
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ChuckRamone on April 12, 2016, 05:54:27 AM
Anyone ever had one wheel wear down insanely fast? On every board i've ever rode the back heel one wears down the quickest, but on my current 52mm f4 classics, the front heel has worn down insanely fast. I feel like it has to be a defect.

goddamit. this is another one of those I refuse to believe this is a serious question questions.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 12, 2016, 08:53:49 AM
Damn, I just bought some radial slims. What's the difference between the two? Are these Reynolds like a slim classic shape?

Come sit in my boat!

I picked up a set of radial slims when the 101s were dropped (along with those sexy green ones), 3-4 weeks ago or so? Excellent wheel and my fav spit so far...but...they are still a bit wide for what I wanted but that is just me splitting hairs, I still suck on conical fulls or raidal slims ;)

When they arrive I'll share my results!

Word on the street is that they are as slim (if not the same mold) as those classic thin (makes sense) F1 Song's that were released a while back:

(http://cdnx1.ridestore.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/504x593/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/D/2/D2040_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: themanwhomakes on April 12, 2016, 01:56:13 PM
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Anyone ever had one wheel wear down insanely fast? On every board i've ever rode the back heel one wears down the quickest, but on my current 52mm f4 classics, the front heel has worn down insanely fast. I feel like it has to be a defect.
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goddamit. this is another one of those I refuse to believe this is a serious question questions.

I dont understand how this isnt a real question but okay. All i'm saying is, the rest are at like 51.5 with a thin contact patch and this guy has morphed into a blocky 48 after just a couple sessions with me doing the same exact shit as always. It seemed kinda yellow when i got it, so i put it on where my wheels typically wear down the least. Seems reasonable to assume it's a defect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Eric ricks on April 12, 2016, 02:06:16 PM
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Anyone ever had one wheel wear down insanely fast? On every board i've ever rode the back heel one wears down the quickest, but on my current 52mm f4 classics, the front heel has worn down insanely fast. I feel like it has to be a defect.
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goddamit. this is another one of those I refuse to believe this is a serious question questions.
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I dont understand how this isnt a real question but okay. All i'm saying is, the rest are at like 51.5 with a thin contact patch and this guy has morphed into a blocky 48 after just a couple sessions with me doing the same exact shit as always. It seemed kinda yellow when i got it, so i put it on where my wheels typically wear down the least. Seems reasonable to assume it's a defect.

No fuckin way that happened. Sorry, you are talking smack.

Hill bomb and powerslide the hills of san fran and this still isnt happening
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Made In China on April 12, 2016, 02:12:02 PM
I feel dumb for asking, but what are the benefits to having a slim wheel?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 12, 2016, 02:36:30 PM
I feel dumb for asking, but what are the benefits to having a slim wheel?
Easier slide and lighter weight
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: themanwhomakes on April 12, 2016, 05:20:35 PM
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Anyone ever had one wheel wear down insanely fast? On every board i've ever rode the back heel one wears down the quickest, but on my current 52mm f4 classics, the front heel has worn down insanely fast. I feel like it has to be a defect.
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goddamit. this is another one of those I refuse to believe this is a serious question questions.
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I dont understand how this isnt a real question but okay. All i'm saying is, the rest are at like 51.5 with a thin contact patch and this guy has morphed into a blocky 48 after just a couple sessions with me doing the same exact shit as always. It seemed kinda yellow when i got it, so i put it on where my wheels typically wear down the least. Seems reasonable to assume it's a defect.
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No fuckin way that happened. Sorry, you are talking smack.

Hill bomb and powerslide the hills of san fran and this still isnt happening

Yep you caught me, I have nothing better to do then lie about wheel sizes  ::). This is my third pair of the same size and shape and i'm going to keep buying f4's because they're the shit but having this happen is forsure dissapointing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cherb on April 12, 2016, 07:29:59 PM
goddamit. this is another one of those I refuse to believe this is a serious question questions.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on April 13, 2016, 12:09:02 AM
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I feel dumb for asking, but what are the benefits to having a slim wheel?
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Easier slide and lighter weight


for me its more that by using a slim wheel i can use more grinding area on my axles
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: perverted super otaku! on April 13, 2016, 05:30:14 AM
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Anyone ever had one wheel wear down insanely fast? On every board i've ever rode the back heel one wears down the quickest, but on my current 52mm f4 classics, the front heel has worn down insanely fast. I feel like it has to be a defect.
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goddamit. this is another one of those I refuse to believe this is a serious question questions.
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I dont understand how this isnt a real question but okay. All i'm saying is, the rest are at like 51.5 with a thin contact patch and this guy has morphed into a blocky 48 after just a couple sessions with me doing the same exact shit as always. It seemed kinda yellow when i got it, so i put it on where my wheels typically wear down the least. Seems reasonable to assume it's a defect.
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No fuckin way that happened. Sorry, you are talking smack.

Hill bomb and powerslide the hills of san fran and this still isnt happening
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Yep you caught me, I have nothing better to do then lie about wheel sizes  ::). This is my third pair of the same size and shape and i'm going to keep buying f4's because they're the shit but having this happen is forsure dissapointing.
rotate them shits dude, happens to every set of wheels i get
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on April 13, 2016, 11:33:19 AM
I was trying to do an ollie bs powerslide kinda trick yesterday and man, my f4s slide so well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 15, 2016, 09:01:29 AM
Socal has the reynold's slim spits in stock!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweet pee on April 15, 2016, 10:17:35 AM
Here's a profile pic of the Reynolds wheel

(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=SFRSWWH-520-1.jpg&nw=400)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 15, 2016, 10:45:58 AM
^^My next wheel purchase for sure.
I've been waiting for so long for a thinner f4. If they're anything similar to a v3 STF then it'll be all I buy from now on probably.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 18, 2016, 09:13:24 PM
53mm classic | 53mm classic thin | 53mm radial slims

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I-TzJ2AkjbQ/VxWupSaSSYI/AAAAAAAAdsA/V_gjLY4Nq30lDNkw15octNWzN02oWf7BQCCo/s800-Ic42/IMG_20160418_195044.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: nahynsee on April 19, 2016, 01:07:02 AM
@Xen thanks for that comparison! that sweeper design is to nice!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on April 22, 2016, 11:13:48 AM
couldn't resist and just purchased some green 101 radial slims. i've been too comfortable on the 99s... i'll probably die first blunt slide...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Powdered Toast Man! on April 24, 2016, 05:41:50 PM
same 54mm formula 4s one year later. setting up my 3rd set since 2014, now connical   ;)
(http://s31.postimg.org/b1ga99ed7/IMG_0831.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Silky Johnson on April 24, 2016, 10:49:54 PM
couldn't resist and just purchased some green 101 radial slims. i've been too comfortable on the 99s... i'll probably die first blunt slide...
What a noble death that would be.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jake From State Farm on April 24, 2016, 11:34:06 PM
I've been back on 99 F4 Conical Fulls after riding Welcome Orbs for a while and they are just so much better. I don't think I'll ever buy anything else.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on April 25, 2016, 04:37:43 AM
53mm classic | 53mm classic thin | 53mm radial slims

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I-TzJ2AkjbQ/VxWupSaSSYI/AAAAAAAAdsA/V_gjLY4Nq30lDNkw15octNWzN02oWf7BQCCo/s800-Ic42/IMG_20160418_195044.jpg)

thanks for doing us all this service. 



GODDAMN I CAN'T WAIT TO GET A SET!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OldManSkate on April 25, 2016, 05:00:07 AM
Anybody skate the Slims yet?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 29, 2016, 12:33:53 PM
Anybody skate the Slims yet?

I rolled around on them (ankle still healing up), did a few light slides..they feel like 99a spits that break free a bit easier. Haven't flipped them/skated them at speed or anything.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on April 29, 2016, 01:08:58 PM
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couldn't resist and just purchased some green 101 radial slims. i've been too comfortable on the 99s... i'll probably die first blunt slide...
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What a noble death that would be.

feeling pressured to film this now...  :-[
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 29, 2016, 01:54:32 PM
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couldn't resist and just purchased some green 101 radial slims. i've been too comfortable on the 99s... i'll probably die first blunt slide...
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What a noble death that would be.
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feeling pressured to film this now...  :-[

Dooooo eeeet!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on April 29, 2016, 03:17:27 PM
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couldn't resist and just purchased some green 101 radial slims. i've been too comfortable on the 99s... i'll probably die first blunt slide...
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What a noble death that would be.
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feeling pressured to film this now...  :-[

Do it for the sake of science!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on April 29, 2016, 03:48:28 PM
alrighty, the right dudes have asked. i reckon i've got a few more weeks left on these 99s and then i'll set my 101s up. i'll film a blunt silde on both sets and we'll see what science says. advance warning, my blunt slides will almost certainly be on a curb and  they will most certainly be self-filmed on my crIphone.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on April 30, 2016, 08:22:39 AM
I was thinking the 101s might not slide as well as the 99s i had, but they do and are great. I'm glad i made the move up from 52 to 54. I've been sliding thorugh everything and sometimes leaving cool green marks lol.
(http://i.imgur.com/gm71Sa5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Jwu96Rs.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hannity on April 30, 2016, 09:21:21 AM
had to scoop more 58mm conical fulls after my last set-up got jacked at a local school (stupid me for forgetting it. anybody else have weekend sessions with the homies hauling a bunch of shit around from spot to spot and lose stuff along the way?) best fucking wheels ever. nothing holds u back.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on April 30, 2016, 09:45:17 AM
I was thinking the 101s might not slide as well as the 99s i had, but they do and are great. I'm glad i made the move up from 52 to 54. I've been sliding thorugh everything and sometimes leaving cool green marks lol.
(http://i.imgur.com/gm71Sa5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Jwu96Rs.jpg)

Those are the ones I'm about to set up. How does the roll feel on rough streets compared to the 99s?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on April 30, 2016, 10:46:26 PM
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Those are the ones I'm about to set up. How does the roll feel on rough streets compared to the 99s?
I don't think I've ridden on anything too rough that I can recall in recent memory.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Farz on April 30, 2016, 11:31:22 PM
Picked up some radial slims and new bronsons and upon putting the spacers in one of the bearings will slide slightly out of the bearing seat. It's not enough to cause it to become loose but it's not flush (maybe like 1mm on 1 bearing) and I have been wondering if it'd be more beneficial to ditch the spacers or just use it like it is or even order some slimmer spacers?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on May 01, 2016, 10:26:08 AM
I would try over tightening you wheel by a turn then backing it off.
Maybe they aren't seated all the way.
Either way the bearing sticking out won't affect the ride.
I still ride spacers, but not sure if it really does anything.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on May 02, 2016, 02:34:13 PM
Picked up some radial slims and new bronsons and upon putting the spacers in one of the bearings will slide slightly out of the bearing seat. It's not enough to cause it to become loose but it's not flush (maybe like 1mm on 1 bearing) and I have been wondering if it'd be more beneficial to ditch the spacers or just use it like it is or even order some slimmer spacers?

My opinion on bearing spacers is that they are completely unnecessary in most, if not all modern wheels.

They were created when wheels were much softer, and were designed to help keep the bearing (and bearing seat) aligned perpendicularly with the axel.

Since most wheels now are a much harder duro, or have harder cores below the softer urethane, I have not once found them to be beneficial in any modern skateboarding situation.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zephyrpatio on May 02, 2016, 02:51:46 PM
had to scoop more 58mm conical fulls after my last set-up got jacked at a local school (stupid me for forgetting it. anybody else have weekend sessions with the homies hauling a bunch of shit around from spot to spot and lose stuff along the way?) best fucking wheels ever. nothing holds u back.


Gotta agree here. I picked up the 58's for a bowl setup but they're just an awesome wheel in general - wide and fast. They haul ass over any pavement. Do you use risers with yours out of curiosity?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Clang on May 02, 2016, 02:52:06 PM
Has anyone skated the 54mm 99a conical fulls? I've been using the conical ones and now I want to try the wider ones. Is there really any major difference between the two riding surfaces?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on May 02, 2016, 02:52:13 PM
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Picked up some radial slims and new bronsons and upon putting the spacers in one of the bearings will slide slightly out of the bearing seat. It's not enough to cause it to become loose but it's not flush (maybe like 1mm on 1 bearing) and I have been wondering if it'd be more beneficial to ditch the spacers or just use it like it is or even order some slimmer spacers?
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My opinion on bearing spacers is that they are completely unnecessary in most, if not all modern wheels.

They were created when wheels were much softer, and were designed to help keep the bearing (and bearing seat) aligned perpendicularly with the axel.

Since most wheels now are a much harder duro, or have harder cores below the softer urethane, I have not once found them to be beneficial in any modern skateboarding situation.



They're beneficial anytime your wheel has lateral movement - powerslides, landing sideways, reverts, etc.  

It distributes the torsional load across a larger surface as opposed to directly on the inner race.  That load is what leads to the bearing cage breaking which is the cause of most bearing blowouts
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on May 02, 2016, 03:31:47 PM
Has anyone skated the 54mm 99a conical fulls? I've been using the conical ones and now I want to try the wider ones. Is there really any major difference between the two riding surfaces?
Just a little more surface area, so more stability, little less slide.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: unerds on May 02, 2016, 03:49:38 PM
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Picked up some radial slims and new bronsons and upon putting the spacers in one of the bearings will slide slightly out of the bearing seat. It's not enough to cause it to become loose but it's not flush (maybe like 1mm on 1 bearing) and I have been wondering if it'd be more beneficial to ditch the spacers or just use it like it is or even order some slimmer spacers?
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My opinion on bearing spacers is that they are completely unnecessary in most, if not all modern wheels.

They were created when wheels were much softer, and were designed to help keep the bearing (and bearing seat) aligned perpendicularly with the axel.

Since most wheels now are a much harder duro, or have harder cores below the softer urethane, I have not once found them to be beneficial in any modern skateboarding situation.


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They're beneficial anytime your wheel has lateral movement - powerslides, landing sideways, reverts, etc. 

It distributes the torsional load across a larger surface as opposed to directly on the inner race.  That load is what leads to the bearing cage breaking which is the cause of most bearing blowouts

also, not a super important metric, but spacers allow (require - to get any real benefit out of them, really) you to tighten down the axle nut more, which reduces that rattling sound of your bearings moving between the hangar and the axle nut.

my setup just feels more solid with spacers and tighter axle nuts.

like, when it hits the ground, it's more of a solid smack; not a smack with that reverberating loose wheel sound...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 02, 2016, 04:14:46 PM
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Picked up some radial slims and new bronsons and upon putting the spacers in one of the bearings will slide slightly out of the bearing seat. It's not enough to cause it to become loose but it's not flush (maybe like 1mm on 1 bearing) and I have been wondering if it'd be more beneficial to ditch the spacers or just use it like it is or even order some slimmer spacers?
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My opinion on bearing spacers is that they are completely unnecessary in most, if not all modern wheels.

They were created when wheels were much softer, and were designed to help keep the bearing (and bearing seat) aligned perpendicularly with the axel.

Since most wheels now are a much harder duro, or have harder cores below the softer urethane, I have not once found them to be beneficial in any modern skateboarding situation.



I tend to agree, it's rare I run them, usually on new bearings if they come with them and most wheels will give you that 1mm slip either side if you use them. It's nice to be able to crank them down nice and tight tho.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 03, 2016, 08:44:27 AM
It's longboard-downhill reasoning, since speed is important to them, but still worth a read:

(http://blog.bustinboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Hi-Im-a-bearing-4.png)
(http://blog.bustinboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Hi-Im-a-bearing-6.png)
(http://blog.bustinboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Hi-Im-a-bearing-7.jpeg)
(http://blog.bustinboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Hi-Im-a-bearing-8.png)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on May 03, 2016, 09:09:51 AM
I feel like half of the thread is talking about spacers and the other half speed rings.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on May 03, 2016, 11:12:26 AM
without machine faced hangers and properly sized spacers they probably don't work as they should anyway.

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Post by: Willie on May 03, 2016, 03:06:30 PM
Since I have a hard time believing that my wheel core and the spacer are perfectly sized together, I don't use spacers.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Zimmer on May 03, 2016, 05:36:35 PM
Since I have a hard time believing that my wheel core and the spacer are perfectly sized together, I don't use spacers.

This.

The best bet seems to be running speed rings, with no spacers.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on May 04, 2016, 05:50:47 AM
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Picked up some radial slims and new bronsons and upon putting the spacers in one of the bearings will slide slightly out of the bearing seat. It's not enough to cause it to become loose but it's not flush (maybe like 1mm on 1 bearing) and I have been wondering if it'd be more beneficial to ditch the spacers or just use it like it is or even order some slimmer spacers?
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My opinion on bearing spacers is that they are completely unnecessary in most, if not all modern wheels.

They were created when wheels were much softer, and were designed to help keep the bearing (and bearing seat) aligned perpendicularly with the axel.

Since most wheels now are a much harder duro, or have harder cores below the softer urethane, I have not once found them to be beneficial in any modern skateboarding situation.



from personal experience, if the spacer is slightly wider than needed then the wheels are going to get damaged no matter what and this alone is a good enough reason not to ever use spacers. The bearing sockets will become slack because the wheel will constantly keep moving/slipping sideways left and right as you skate. I dont know if i made myself clear here with my shitty eglish.
in modern skateboards spacers are only beneficial if you start getting slipping axle because when incorporated within the wheel/bearing system they work as a "limit" for the axle's motion.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: duzerdrof on May 04, 2016, 08:31:48 PM
Has anyone skated the 54mm 99a conical fulls? I've been using the conical ones and now I want to try the wider ones. Is there really any major difference between the two riding surfaces?

I have both sets in 54mm and I really prefer the conical fulls. I'm usually riding an 8.5 with indy 149s and the 54 conical fulls feel perfectly in proportion with the rest of the setup - super smooth ride, the wider contact feels great on walls and tranny. I think once you get into the 54mm and above territory, the regular conicals feel a little too tall and narrow and awkward for flip tricks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on May 04, 2016, 11:26:03 PM
This is too much science for me to comprehend.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on May 05, 2016, 06:07:21 AM
This is too much science for me to comprehend.


unless you longboard, spacers are shit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: unerds on May 05, 2016, 09:30:54 AM
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This is too much science for me to comprehend.
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unless you longboard, spacers are shit

yeahhh, this is mostly longboarder-ish gearhead shit, but i stand by the 'reduced rattling' property.

that's all i'm after with them, really.

there is no way for any of us to quantify whether or not other claimed benefits are true - shear forces and whatnot...

but i can tell you, explicitly that my shit doesn't rattle when i have spacers in, and my nuts are tight.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hannity on May 05, 2016, 09:34:10 AM
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had to scoop more 58mm conical fulls after my last set-up got jacked at a local school (stupid me for forgetting it. anybody else have weekend sessions with the homies hauling a bunch of shit around from spot to spot and lose stuff along the way?) best fucking wheels ever. nothing holds u back.

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Gotta agree here. I picked up the 58's for a bowl setup but they're just an awesome wheel in general - wide and fast. They haul ass over any pavement. Do you use risers with yours out of curiosity?
yep the 1/8" ones
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on May 06, 2016, 05:16:51 AM
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This is too much science for me to comprehend.
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unless you longboard, spacers are shit
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yeahhh, this is mostly longboarder-ish gearhead shit, but i stand by the 'reduced rattling' property.

that's all i'm after with them, really.

there is no way for any of us to quantify whether or not other claimed benefits are true - shear forces and whatnot...

but i can tell you, explicitly that my shit doesn't rattle when i have spacers in, and my nuts are tight.


this is exactly the thing that helps "fix" slipping axles (but then the board feels/sounds the way YOU want it to) . the higher quality bearings you use, the less the rattling. but is this a good thing? if the skateboard doesnt make any metallic/rattling noise then the pure urethane rolling sound makes it sound like a toy board, like the ones with the soft wheels. dunno, to each his own i suppose
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 11, 2016, 09:09:20 AM
Still waiting on that blunt slide....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on May 11, 2016, 12:22:56 PM
 :o

funny you should mention that. going to set up the 101 radial slims tonight, as i just cracked my salman agah and my 99s are pretty wrecked. time for new board/ wheel combo.

hopefully, this weekend i'll film a shitty little bluntslide for you...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Shartarse on May 11, 2016, 05:21:29 PM
Do formula 4's grip and slip like stfs, or do they have a more constant grip like regular urethane?

I love being able to powerslide at 90 degress for several feet without getting flatspots  (like you can with stfs), but I also like being able to ease into a lower angle powerslide and ~drift on the edge of griping/sliding, which I find easier on regular urethane... Which category do f4s fall into?

Cheers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zephyrpatio on May 11, 2016, 08:38:47 PM
I found this by accident today while searching for some classic full 51mms. I've never seen it anywhere before. Didn't know all the different shapes that existed.

(http://1bg8b03af83bbht9q8v6urd0.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/SPI-SKW_CUTS4-800x598.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on May 12, 2016, 12:35:23 AM
^ whoa! hard core nerd shit here. man ive tried a few different ones but the classic shape feels right

also aren't most OJ wheels the Awol shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on May 16, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
put in a couple of sessions on the 101s. pretty stoked. not as teeth chattering hard as i thought on the streets and enough grip in the parks. way less sketchy than i imagined they'd be. i def prefer the 99s but the 101s are fast as fuck... filmed the blunt slide but it's so shit, i'm a bit embarrssed  to post it... but maybe doing so will force me to get a proper one....

https://youtu.be/s55MThQWuiQ (https://youtu.be/s55MThQWuiQ)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on May 16, 2016, 08:22:20 PM
+1 for the follow through.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: perverted super otaku! on May 17, 2016, 04:56:48 AM
+1 for the follow through.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on May 17, 2016, 08:24:26 AM
+1 for the follow through.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on May 17, 2016, 03:08:50 PM
put in a couple of sessions on the 101s. pretty stoked. not as teeth chattering hard as i thought on the streets and enough grip in the parks. way less sketchy than i imagined they'd be. i def prefer the 99s but the 101s are fast as fuck... filmed the blunt slide but it's so shit, i'm a bit embarrssed  to post it... but maybe doing so will force me to get a proper one....

https://youtu.be/s55MThQWuiQ (https://youtu.be/s55MThQWuiQ)

Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on May 17, 2016, 03:39:03 PM
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put in a couple of sessions on the 101s. pretty stoked. not as teeth chattering hard as i thought on the streets and enough grip in the parks. way less sketchy than i imagined they'd be. i def prefer the 99s but the 101s are fast as fuck... filmed the blunt slide but it's so shit, i'm a bit embarrssed  to post it... but maybe doing so will force me to get a proper one....

https://youtu.be/s55MThQWuiQ (https://youtu.be/s55MThQWuiQ)
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Fuck yeah!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on May 17, 2016, 06:52:40 PM
you fuckers are too nice. going to get a tolerable blunt slide by summer's end.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2016, 11:27:19 AM
I found this by accident today while searching for some classic full 51mms. I've never seen it anywhere before. Didn't know all the different shapes that existed.

(http://1bg8b03af83bbht9q8v6urd0.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/SPI-SKW_CUTS4-800x598.jpg)

AWOL shape = best spit shape I've ridden nest to the Radial Slims. Loved those wheels.

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on May 19, 2016, 05:42:52 PM
All about dem classics...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on June 03, 2016, 08:54:42 PM
I'm sold on the 101s. Fucking fast as fuck. Love the 99s but the 101s def ride faster. Sketchier slides but its worth it. Finally learned backside power slides on the 101s. Stoked. 101s for the summer. 99s for the winter. Done deal. Nerd out, over.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on June 03, 2016, 09:13:06 PM
^ Yep! I always had the 101's and tried the 99's for the first time today and I didn't really like them. Takes a lot more effort to powerslide and was less responsive and controllable. I feel like if I bombed a hill with these I would stick on a powerslide and eat shit really bad. In the winter when I have to skate indoor parks they will be perfect though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on June 05, 2016, 09:40:59 AM
101s for life. It's usually what I get when I get F4s. I love a slick wheel that's easy to slide.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on June 19, 2016, 06:02:09 PM
Was all good until this..

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7ltkDTiy5ws/V2c-jY_UeQI/AAAAAAAAIhg/FarAcedb7_Icb69Vd2YSAO_4NbydrmLZQCCo/s832/WIN_20160619_20_49_27_Pro.jpg)
took a chunk outta my 99a radial slims -- probably from slides, i saw it when i got home

gonna get some reynolds slims now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on June 19, 2016, 07:34:33 PM
I really want the Mint colored f4s, such a nice color.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 256 Ply on June 21, 2016, 11:24:16 PM
They had a weird defect in the blue F4s, it was as if they poured them too small. They would split almost instantly:
(http://i.imgur.com/El17Qno.jpg)

Problem appears to be fixed now, I think it was just a bad batch.
But I've never seen a defect like this before .
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 22, 2016, 12:47:40 AM
Woah, thats a significant split. Anyone chime in if thats common with coloured wheels, ive heard they wear faster in general but thats crazy
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on June 22, 2016, 08:48:07 AM
They had a weird defect in the blue F4s, it was as if they poured them too small. They would split almost instantly:
(http://i.imgur.com/El17Qno.jpg)

Problem appears to be fixed now, I think it was just a bad batch.
But I've never seen a defect like this before .


Are these your wheels?

If so, email me at [email protected]  :-*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zephyrpatio on July 02, 2016, 09:45:46 PM
found the summer 16 spitfire releases, look pretty nice - a lot of bigger sizes and a grosso pro 59mm (!?).

http://www.dlxsf.com/summer16/sf.html (http://www.dlxsf.com/summer16/sf.html)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on July 02, 2016, 09:58:06 PM
ive been riding 53 conical full 99s skating mostly parks and I love them. Fast (relative) in the bowls and not slippery at all. But break away easily for me when I power slide and stuff. Probably won't go back to 101s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on July 03, 2016, 12:30:56 AM
So far i've ridden the;
99 duro;
Classic shape; perfect!
Conical full - too wide.
Classic wide- was really good and didn't notice much of a difference than the regular classics, wouldn't mind having em again if they were around.
Classic Slim- just tried em for one session and they're noticeably faster. So far digging em
101 Classic shape - TOO slick

Here's the classic slim shape, makes me 147 thunders look much wider;

(http://i64.tinypic.com/282qfch.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 03, 2016, 07:04:18 AM
Am I wrong to think they should just put the classic graphics on f4's? unquestionably the best wheel graphic ever
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on July 03, 2016, 07:29:29 AM
Am I wrong to think they should just put the classic graphics on f4's? unquestionably the best wheel graphic ever

They kinda did with the new Ave models

(http://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=SFAVXWH-1.jpg&nw=300)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 03, 2016, 07:42:03 AM
The thought of skating black wheels makes me feel kinda of disgusted/anxious...  ???
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on July 03, 2016, 08:19:06 AM
The thought of skating black wheels makes me feel kinda of disgusted/anxious...  ???

I skated black wheels only for a long time now I can't imagine it.

They also come in white

(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/spitfire-formula-four-ave-whiteout-54mm-99a-skateboard-wheels.png)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on July 03, 2016, 12:05:27 PM
No one would buy the classics anymore if they did that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Zimmer on July 03, 2016, 12:16:51 PM
Those 54 ave's gotta be my next wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: alraunen on July 06, 2016, 03:44:09 AM
Just bought a set of 99A Conicals, I had a sky blue set when they we're released and I was really disappointed. Let's see with these one
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: christ0v on July 06, 2016, 04:21:25 AM
I skated the 60mm 99s and they are fast as fuck.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fookya on July 06, 2016, 12:11:40 PM
Am I wrong to think they should just put the classic graphics on f4's? unquestionably the best wheel graphic ever
I think about this daily.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 06, 2016, 03:50:19 PM
I was rotating my F4 101's today and noticed there were several spots where there were chunks missing from the wheel. Not super deep but it was clear it wasn't a flatspot, more like a puncture or gouge along the edges. Anyone ever experience this?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on July 06, 2016, 05:15:46 PM
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Am I wrong to think they should just put the classic graphics on f4's? unquestionably the best wheel graphic ever
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I think about this daily.
Am I wrong to think that no one should give a single fuck about wheel graphics? I mean for real, everyone put them in anyway, and no matter what way you but it it'll be gone in a day or two...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on July 06, 2016, 05:24:11 PM
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The thought of skating black wheels makes me feel kinda of disgusted/anxious...  ???
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I skated black wheels only for a long time now I can't imagine it.

I don't mind skating black wheels from time to time when I wanna switch it up a bit. They actually look pretty good on certain setups if it matches up just right. I don't really like skating any other colored wheel though, it's gotta be white or black.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on July 06, 2016, 06:44:21 PM
ive only ever considered orange wheels back in the Welcome to Hell Ed Templeton days... never did it though.

(http://businessstrategytraining.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/wasted-life.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on July 06, 2016, 08:57:56 PM
ive only ever considered orange wheels back in the Welcome to Hell Ed Templeton days... never did it though.

Yes! Orange is a magical wheel colour. I often rode Orange spits during that era. I see there are a now some Orange Fs.... Only problem is, I've got all these to get through before I can justify buying some...

(http://i63.tinypic.com/awsux3.jpg)

I've got an F4 problem. Not shown are the Green Radial slim 54mm 101s and classic 58mm 99s that I have on my current set ups.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on July 06, 2016, 09:28:51 PM
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ive only ever considered orange wheels back in the Welcome to Hell Ed Templeton days... never did it though.
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Yes! Orange is a magical wheel colour. I often rode Orange spits during that era. I see there are a now some Orange Fs.... Only problem is, I've got all these to get through before I can justify buying some...

(http://i63.tinypic.com/awsux3.jpg)

I've got an F4 problem. Not shown are the Green Radial slim 54mm 101s and classic 58mm 99s that I have on my current set ups.
Maybe sell a few to make money  ;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on July 06, 2016, 10:01:45 PM
nah, they're worth their weight in gold. they'll get used.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on July 07, 2016, 12:18:21 AM
I was rotating my F4 101's today and noticed there were several spots where there were chunks missing from the wheel. Not super deep but it was clear it wasn't a flatspot, more like a puncture or gouge along the edges. Anyone ever experience this?


yes, loads. not only with spitfires but with any type/brand. as long as the wheel is not flatspotted you're good.
i actually like this, it makes my skateboard not look like a toy. i hate it when everything is brand new and flashy, especially trucks & wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ferraveemo on July 07, 2016, 02:46:39 AM
Is there a reason why they don't make 53mm 99A's in formula four? specifically in Fulls/Radials/Classic Pro's in Natty White?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on July 07, 2016, 04:31:01 AM
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ive only ever considered orange wheels back in the Welcome to Hell Ed Templeton days... never did it though.
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Yes! Orange is a magical wheel colour. I often rode Orange spits during that era. I see there are a now some Orange Fs.... Only problem is, I've got all these to get through before I can justify buying some...

(http://i63.tinypic.com/awsux3.jpg)

I've got an F4 problem. Not shown are the Green Radial slim 54mm 101s and classic 58mm 99s that I have on my current set ups.

I will gladly help and take a set or two off your hands then, hah.
But seriously you'll be good to go for a while! That's enough to last you for like three years (or longer if you're the type to ride your wheels to dust; I only put three years because I assumed you maybe switch your wheels out every six months and you have six sets in waiting. With how i am with switching wheels thatd be enough to last me for the next five to six years haha)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Turtle Boy on July 07, 2016, 05:48:08 AM
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Am I wrong to think they should just put the classic graphics on f4's? unquestionably the best wheel graphic ever
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I think about this daily.
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Am I wrong to think that no one should give a single fuck about wheel graphics? I mean for real, everyone put them in anyway, and no matter what way you but it it'll be gone in a day or two...
You're right
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spike Hawke on July 07, 2016, 06:46:56 AM
I was rotating my F4 101's today and noticed there were several spots where there were chunks missing from the wheel. Not super deep but it was clear it wasn't a flatspot, more like a puncture or gouge along the edges. Anyone ever experience this?
Yeah, contact them and they will replace them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on July 07, 2016, 07:40:51 AM
Yeah, I got my radial slims replaced that had a chunk ripped out of the edge. They sent me a set of classic slims at my request and I love them. Much slimmer shape. It's what I really wanted out of the radial slims.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gBBUArYW56o/V35od51nSnI/AAAAAAAAIig/xyLpIw3aOEcKHjx0Xa2kYGGHjWr30BXdACCo/s600/12ea6e7c-fbcd-4979-9d89-ca78da05528e.jpg)

Great dudes at DLX. Spitfire for life.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on July 07, 2016, 07:43:31 AM
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ive only ever considered orange wheels back in the Welcome to Hell Ed Templeton days... never did it though.
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Yes! Orange is a magical wheel colour. I often rode Orange spits during that era. I see there are a now some Orange Fs.... Only problem is, I've got all these to get through before I can justify buying some...

(http://i63.tinypic.com/awsux3.jpg)

I've got an F4 problem. Not shown are the Green Radial slim 54mm 101s and classic 58mm 99s that I have on my current set ups.
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I will gladly help and take a set or two off your hands then, hah.
But seriously you'll be good to go for a while! That's enough to last you for like three years (or longer if you're the type to ride your wheels to dust; I only put three years because I assumed you maybe switch your wheels out every six months and you have six sets in waiting. With how i am with switching wheels thatd be enough to last me for the next five to six years haha)

just four sets in waiting.  the ones i'm currently using are about done. i might go through 2 or 3 sets a year. sometimes ride them to dust but sometimes pass them on to a kid at the park.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on July 07, 2016, 08:06:13 AM
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ive only ever considered orange wheels back in the Welcome to Hell Ed Templeton days... never did it though.
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Yes! Orange is a magical wheel colour. I often rode Orange spits during that era. I see there are a now some Orange Fs.... Only problem is, I've got all these to get through before I can justify buying some...

(http://i63.tinypic.com/awsux3.jpg)

I've got an F4 problem. Not shown are the Green Radial slim 54mm 101s and classic 58mm 99s that I have on my current set ups.
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I will gladly help and take a set or two off your hands then, hah.
But seriously you'll be good to go for a while! That's enough to last you for like three years (or longer if you're the type to ride your wheels to dust; I only put three years because I assumed you maybe switch your wheels out every six months and you have six sets in waiting. With how i am with switching wheels thatd be enough to last me for the next five to six years haha)
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just four sets in waiting.  the ones i'm currently using are about done. i might go through 2 or 3 sets a year. sometimes ride them to dust but sometimes pass them on to a kid at the park.
You mentioned two sets not pictured that I thought were also in waiting but then I reread what you wrote and you said they were already currently on setups. Must've accidentally skipped that part when I skimmed through your post earlier, hah.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on July 07, 2016, 08:23:04 AM
How long is a set lasting everyone? I've had A few sets stay strong for 2 months and some just kinda get soft and sluggish after less than a month.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 07, 2016, 09:38:46 AM
Probably 3 minutes after I posted about my wheels having chunks missing, DLX messaged me right away, talk about fuckin' customer service right there. I'm waiting on the reply email after I sent the photos though. Spitfire for life indeed...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OldManSkate on July 07, 2016, 08:12:47 PM
I was rotating my F4 101's today and noticed there were several spots where there were chunks missing from the wheel. Not super deep but it was clear it wasn't a flatspot, more like a puncture or gouge along the edges. Anyone ever experience this?
This happened to my Radial 99's also. What shape are your wheels?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 07, 2016, 08:15:28 PM
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I was rotating my F4 101's today and noticed there were several spots where there were chunks missing from the wheel. Not super deep but it was clear it wasn't a flatspot, more like a puncture or gouge along the edges. Anyone ever experience this?
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This happened to my Radial 99's also. What shape are your wheels?

They're just the classic shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on July 08, 2016, 06:13:13 AM
Just about every set of F4s I've had has had the missing chunks problem. It was only a really bad missing chunk for one set, the rest were tiny to medium sized ones that didn't really effect the overall performance of the wheel at all so it didn't matter too much to me; more cosmetic damage than anything else. It seems like i see quite a bit of complaints about F4s chunking out, so im guessing it's a problem they're still trying to fix.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2016, 07:14:33 AM
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ive only ever considered orange wheels back in the Welcome to Hell Ed Templeton days... never did it though.
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Yes! Orange is a magical wheel colour. I often rode Orange spits during that era. I see there are a now some Orange Fs.... Only problem is, I've got all these to get through before I can justify buying some...

(http://i63.tinypic.com/awsux3.jpg)

I've got an F4 problem. Not shown are the Green Radial slim 54mm 101s and classic 58mm 99s that I have on my current set ups.

I feel you:

54mm 101 Conicals
52mm 101 Radials
53mm Classic slims
53mm Radial slims 101 (favorite of the bunch)
52mm classics 99a (kids board)
53mm classics 99a (kids board)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ChuckRamone on July 08, 2016, 08:28:42 AM
Just about every set of F4s I've had has had the missing chunks problem. It was only a really bad missing chunk for one set, the rest were tiny to medium sized ones that didn't really effect the overall performance of the wheel at all so it didn't matter too much to me; more cosmetic damage than anything else. It seems like i see quite a bit of complaints about F4s chunking out, so im guessing it's a problem they're still trying to fix.

That must be the one flaw with F4s. Otherwise they're the best wheels I've ever ridden. I hope hypothetically fixing that mostly cosmetic issue wouldn't change the performance. If so, I don't know if it would be worth it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 08, 2016, 09:50:53 AM
Hmm, I've had a ton of sets of F4's and I never inspected my wheels to notice the chipping issue so this is a first for me. Reed replied to my email this morning and is sending me out a new set. DLX's customer service is outstanding and they made me appreciate them even more. It's one thing when you make a quality product and back it with a warranty, but speedy and kind customer service goes a long way this day in age.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 08, 2016, 10:18:37 AM
90% of all my F4 skating has been smooth parks so I've not seen any chipping/lost chunks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on July 08, 2016, 11:54:14 PM
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Yeah, I got my radial slims replaced that had a chunk ripped out of the edge. They sent me a set of classic slims at my request and I love them. Much slimmer shape. It's what I really wanted out of the radial slims.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-gBBUArYW56o/V35od51nSnI/AAAAAAAAIig/xyLpIw3aOEcKHjx0Xa2kYGGHjWr30BXdACCo/s600/12ea6e7c-fbcd-4979-9d89-ca78da05528e.jpg)
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Before these were released, I stocked up on radial slims. Now I have three sets of radial slims to skate, but all I want are the classic slims.

Are they going to make these in 101?

No local shop to try and trade em in?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Deekay on July 09, 2016, 12:33:59 PM
Just skated the 101's for the first time and holy fuck, they're perfect. It's unbelievable how fast they are in the park and the slide is just right, maybe they'll have less grip when broken in but for now they're just right. Just when I thought formula fours couldn't feel better..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: christ0v on July 11, 2016, 03:27:47 AM
How long does it take to wear a few mm's off the wheels ? I really like the f4s, but i went with too big wheels and ate shit 3 times today because of wheel bites.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on July 11, 2016, 05:12:16 AM
DON'T RIDE ANYTHING ELSE FUCKERS

(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBaoIqldtQPtI4jKMooiY-qDcsdNualYKNHxwd9z-vbSCONzDWoQ)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spike Hawke on July 11, 2016, 06:50:02 AM
How long does it take to wear a few mm's off the wheels ? I really like the f4s, but i went with too big wheels and ate shit 3 times today because of wheel bites.
Get some risers cos its gonna be a long wait
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zephyrpatio on July 11, 2016, 09:10:01 AM
Is there a reason why they don't make 53mm 99A's in formula four? specifically in Fulls/Radials/Classic Pro's in Natty White?

uh

https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours (https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours)

They make 53mms in all of those.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: somethingmustbreaknow on July 12, 2016, 02:34:54 PM
i want to buy these spitfire formula 4 reynolds sweepers 99duro
(http://www.rollersnakes.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/310x/0dc2d03fe217f8c83829496872af24a0/s/p/spitfire-formula-four-andrew-reynolds-street-sweeper-wheels-99duro-white-52mm-s256466-01.94.jpg)
how are these compared to bones stfs?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 12, 2016, 07:33:37 PM
I would say Spitfire F4 in the 99 duro is about the same as a Bones STF. The Spitfire F4 101a durometer is in a class of its own though.
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Post by: N.L. on July 13, 2016, 10:51:52 AM
Seems to me the 101s are slightly harding wearing also. Mine are holding up really nice with lots of slides, hill bombs and rugged streets... I'd say the 101s are similar to STFs but with a bit more of a controlled slide. Definitely prefer them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: somethingmustbreaknow on July 13, 2016, 02:15:19 PM
99duro are softer then, no? if so, how soft? compared to stfs, i like their slideability and grip.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 13, 2016, 05:49:14 PM
N.L. nailed it, the slide of the 101's is insanely controllable and nearly impossible to catch and eat shit. The 99's took a lot more effort to slide and didn't allow me to go for long periods and have that control, which was also the case with STF's. Bones STF's are like 83-84b which to me just equates to 99 duro no matter how much they wanna say it equal's 101a or higher. Just get Spitfire 101a's man, you won't regret it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jake From State Farm on July 13, 2016, 05:55:35 PM
F4 99's in the conical full shape have been treating me well. I don't want anything else
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: somethingmustbreaknow on July 14, 2016, 02:18:57 PM
thanks guys. didn't order the 99duros. i guess the 101s better fit my needs. gonna have to wait until i find them somewhere.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Zimmer on July 14, 2016, 04:15:35 PM
thanks guys. didn't order the 99duros. i guess the 101s better fit my needs. gonna have to wait until i find them somewhere.

I tried 58mm 99's, then 54 101's. The 101's are noticeably faster, I kinda wanna try the 99's in a smaller size.. Just for a smoother ride, but I'm so used to hard street wheels that its not a big deal.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ferraveemo on July 14, 2016, 10:06:17 PM
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Is there a reason why they don't make 53mm 99A's in formula four? specifically in Fulls/Radials/Classic Pro's in Natty White?
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uh

https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours (https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours)

They make 53mms in all of those.

I said 53mm F4 99's! majority of the ones they have on f4's are 101's on 53mm's...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 14, 2016, 10:19:22 PM
They make them, just bought a set about a month ago.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on July 15, 2016, 08:39:48 AM
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Is there a reason why they don't make 53mm 99A's in formula four? specifically in Fulls/Radials/Classic Pro's in Natty White?
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uh

https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours (https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours)

They make 53mms in all of those.
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I said 53mm F4 99's! majority of the ones they have on f4's are 101's on 53mm's...

We definitiely make them!

They are our most popular size/formula, so they sell out fairly quick.

Socal shop has a decent selection right now: http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=67338 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=67338)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on July 19, 2016, 07:29:51 AM
Just bought a pair of the 99A, 52mm after reading NL's positive feedback and hearing good things in this thread. Only skated them once so far but they feel great. Steady gliding
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Clang on July 19, 2016, 09:16:28 AM
Did spitfire change how wide the conical fulls are? I got a set of the 54mm 99a ones and they look the same as regular conicals. Everyone I've seen with conical fulls has way more riding surface.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 19, 2016, 09:25:10 AM
Did spitfire change how wide the conical fulls are? I got a set of the 54mm 99a ones and they look the same as regular conicals. Everyone I've seen with conical fulls has way more riding surface.
one you skate them for a couple months the taper will wear down and youll have a flat conical shape, could be that, its the true nature of the wheels pretty much, like how the classics are actually tablets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 19, 2016, 09:47:42 AM
Got my new warranty Spitfire's in the mail yesterday. DLX rules!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ferraveemo on July 22, 2016, 04:42:54 AM
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uh

https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours (https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours)

They make 53mms in all of those.
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I said 53mm F4 99's! majority of the ones they have on f4's are 101's on 53mm's...
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We definitiely make them!

They are our most popular size/formula, so they sell out fairly quick.

Socal shop has a decent selection right now: http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=67338 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=67338)

Didn't mean to include Classic Pro's but mainly Radial's and Full's in both 99's...never ever seen one online or at a shop. usually the 53mm's are always the 101's in both those models.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 22, 2016, 08:17:46 AM
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uh

https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours (https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours)

They make 53mms in all of those.
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I said 53mm F4 99's! majority of the ones they have on f4's are 101's on 53mm's...
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We definitiely make them!

They are our most popular size/formula, so they sell out fairly quick.

Socal shop has a decent selection right now: http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=67338 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=67338)
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Didn't mean to include Classic Pro's but mainly Radial's and Full's in both 99's...never ever seen one online or at a shop. usually the 53mm's are always the 101's in both those models.

http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=64476 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=64476)

http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels (http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ferraveemo on July 23, 2016, 12:25:05 AM
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Is there a reason why they don't make 53mm 99A's in formula four? specifically in Fulls/Radials/Classic Pro's in Natty White?
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uh

https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours (https://www.google.com/#q=53mm+formula+fours)

They make 53mms in all of those.
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I said 53mm F4 99's! majority of the ones they have on f4's are 101's on 53mm's...
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We definitiely make them!

They are our most popular size/formula, so they sell out fairly quick.

Socal shop has a decent selection right now: http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=67338 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=67338)
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Didn't mean to include Classic Pro's but mainly Radial's and Full's in both 99's...never ever seen one online or at a shop. usually the 53mm's are always the 101's in both those models.
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http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=64476 (http://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=64476)

http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels (http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels)

ugh i think i'm being annoying but i guess i need to be more specific...Radial's or Classic Full's in Natural White/53mm-99's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 23, 2016, 01:02:36 AM
^ yep...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on July 23, 2016, 06:00:02 AM
i want to buy these spitfire formula 4 reynolds sweepers 99duro
(http://www.rollersnakes.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/310x/0dc2d03fe217f8c83829496872af24a0/s/p/spitfire-formula-four-andrew-reynolds-street-sweeper-wheels-99duro-white-52mm-s256466-01.94.jpg)
how are these compared to bones stfs?


FUCK STF
FUCK BONES
FUCK ANY OTHER WHEEL COMPANY
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on July 23, 2016, 10:33:36 AM
FUCK STF
FUCK BONES
FUCK ANY OTHER WHEEL COMPANY

Hey man I've been PMing you let me know what's up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jake From State Farm on July 24, 2016, 01:22:02 AM
Just got some Spitfire Mike Anderson SFW's that are not F4's. Trying to do a good comparison on them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: christ0v on July 26, 2016, 01:36:38 AM
Is there someone who's skating 101s on a really smooth park ? I want to try them as well, but i'm afraid that they might slide too much once autumn comes and the weather ain't dry anymore
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on July 26, 2016, 05:46:24 AM
Is there someone who's skating 101s on a really smooth park ? I want to try them as well, but i'm afraid that they might slide too much once autumn comes and the weather ain't dry anymore

i do, its all i have been skating lately so i got pretty used to it. i wouldn't say they slide a lot. the ride is actually very satisfying. also, for an extremely smooth flat i would consider buying THE hardest wheels because that's what hard wheels are designed for. i tried skating softer wheels on the same smooth flat and my impression is that i would feel a lot of "speed dampening" because of the soft wheels. i don't know how they ride on wooden floor though. i will pm you a video of the park so you can see what kind of floor i'm talking about.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 26, 2016, 06:35:39 AM
F4 101s are good for everything besides a dusty indoor park. You'll barely be able to stay on your board them shits is slick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: christ0v on July 26, 2016, 09:47:31 AM
Thanks for the info guys. Getting the 101s next.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gandhi on July 28, 2016, 03:54:22 PM
I flatspotted my 101duros in like 4 months of skating   :'(.  Back to STF's for me sorry homies
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Post by: Silky Johnson on July 29, 2016, 10:12:20 PM
I flatspotted my 101duros in like 4 months of skating   :'(.  Back to STF's for me sorry homies
ONLY 4 months? ::)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: essal on July 30, 2016, 12:06:19 AM
I switched my F4 52 99s today for full 53 99s. Considering that my wheels where like year and a half old, and probably somewhere between 40 in the back and 45 in the front it was about time.

These monster truck wheels will require riser pads, but i can ride on anything now and slappies are way easier.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: christ0v on July 30, 2016, 03:50:18 AM
I skated the 101s today and i like them waaay more than the 99s. The slide is way better and they don't feel slippery at all.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 30, 2016, 06:18:43 AM
I switched my F4 52 99s today for full 53 99s. Considering that my wheels where like year and a half old, and probably somewhere between 40 in the back and 45 in the front it was about time.

These monster truck wheels will require riser pads, but i can ride on anything now and slappies are way easier.

53mm definitely don't require riser pads, and they're absolutely not monster truck wheels haha.

I skated the 101s today and i like them waaay more than the 99s. The slide is way better and they don't feel slippery at all.

Hell yeah! 101 gang for life.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Zimmer on July 30, 2016, 07:29:00 AM
I skated the 101s today and i like them waaay more than the 99s. The slide is way better and they don't feel slippery at all.

I was thinking of trying 54 99's instead of the 101's, but something tells me I wouldn't like it. 99's are a slightly smoother ride, but they feel.. dead.

Even on smooth parks they don't feel slippery. I saw someone else say that F4 101's are a soft 101. It's true! They're actually a nice ride for street rocks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: christ0v on July 30, 2016, 09:39:01 AM
The 99s are perfect for pool/bowl/vert or a cruiser. I bought the for that actually, but i changed my mind in the last minute and didn't had the money for other wheels.
101s are perfect imo.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: essal on July 30, 2016, 10:06:02 AM
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I switched my F4 52 99s today for full 53 99s. Considering that my wheels where like year and a half old, and probably somewhere between 40 in the back and 45 in the front it was about time.

These monster truck wheels will require riser pads, but i can ride on anything now and slappies are way easier.
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53mm definitely don't require riser pads, and they're absolutely not monster truck wheels haha.
when i wheelbite at 50% of my old turning radius i definitely require riser pads. i have them on thunder hollow light 149s that I assume are HIs.

53s are the biggest wheels I've had in probably 8 or something years.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on July 30, 2016, 11:19:10 AM
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I switched my F4 52 99s today for full 53 99s. Considering that my wheels where like year and a half old, and probably somewhere between 40 in the back and 45 in the front it was about time.

These monster truck wheels will require riser pads, but i can ride on anything now and slappies are way easier.
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53mm definitely don't require riser pads, and they're absolutely not monster truck wheels haha.
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when i wheelbite at 50% of my old turning radius i definitely require riser pads. i have them on thunder hollow light 149s that I assume are HIs.

53s are the biggest wheels I've had in probably 8 or something years.

Well that's why...you're riding Thunders. Their "Hi's" are lows. Especially the hollow ones with forged baseplates. Shit's not even 50mm tall and they call it a "Hi". Hi, I'm from planet earth where are you from, Thunder?

55mm+ are big wheels
50mm-54mm normal
<50mm small
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: essal on July 30, 2016, 12:38:58 PM
fuck joking is really hard
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on July 30, 2016, 08:25:23 PM
ordered some more F4s today

conical full 56mm 101a for the pool board
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jamersonbass on August 13, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
I've ridden the 99 Classics, 101 Classics, and 101 Classic Fulls. All great wheels, but I'm m totally in the 101 camp. Just set these up, and hoping the added width helps with the crusty spots I've been skating.

https://instagram.com/p/BJDuMBxj_fF/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on August 17, 2016, 09:41:21 AM
fun fact:  the cory kennedy F4 wheels (the alien ones with the free Frisbee) are skinnier than the reg classics. 
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Post by: Roisto on August 17, 2016, 10:37:40 AM
fun fact:  the cory kennedy F4 wheels (the alien ones with the free Frisbee) are skinnier than the reg classics. 

Is the frisbee 101A or 99A though?
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Post by: art hellman on August 17, 2016, 12:10:07 PM
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fun fact:�  the cory kennedy F4 wheels (the alien ones with the free Frisbee) are skinnier than the reg classics.�  
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Is the frisbee 101A or 99A though?

(http://p.fod4.com/p/media/9a8e628133/8ps40BQgSNaq8maoYKVG_Milhouse%20Frisbee%20Toss.gif)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Willie on August 17, 2016, 01:18:26 PM
Bought another set of the Keeping The Underground Lit 55.5mm 99s. They are just a hair too big when new but I feel like they stay a decent 54ish size for a while. I feel like when I buy 54s they get tiny too quickly.

Kinda wanted conicals - maybe next time.
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on August 18, 2016, 09:16:58 AM
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fun fact:  the cory kennedy F4 wheels (the alien ones with the free Frisbee) are skinnier than the reg classics. 
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Is the frisbee 101A or 99A though?

99A  ;)
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Post by: coneklr on August 18, 2016, 09:21:36 AM
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I switched my F4 52 99s today for full 53 99s. Considering that my wheels where like year and a half old, and probably somewhere between 40 in the back and 45 in the front it was about time.

These monster truck wheels will require riser pads, but i can ride on anything now and slappies are way easier.
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53mm definitely don't require riser pads, and they're absolutely not monster truck wheels haha.
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when i wheelbite at 50% of my old turning radius i definitely require riser pads. i have them on thunder hollow light 149s that I assume are HIs.

53s are the biggest wheels I've had in probably 8 or something years.
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Well that's why...you're riding Thunders. Their "Hi's" are lows. Especially the hollow ones with forged baseplates. Shit's not even 50mm tall and they call it a "Hi". Hi, I'm from planet earth where are you from, Thunder?

55mm+ are big wheels
50mm-54mm normal
<50mm small

haha, I just saw this today ...  I skate 56's most of the time with thunders and no risers and I don't even consider them big.  Once you get used to a 55/56 wheel it's hard to go back to a smaller one since you maintain a lot more speed without working for it and you don't have to "watch out for rocks and cracks" well as much anyway
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 18, 2016, 09:29:55 AM
fun fact:  the cory kennedy F4 wheels (the alien ones with the free Frisbee) are skinnier than the reg classics. 

Have these and the regs on my kids' boards, will have to compare.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Main on August 18, 2016, 11:15:10 AM
haha, I just saw this today ...  I skate 56's most of the time with thunders and no risers and I don't even consider them big.  Once you get used to a 55/56 wheel it's hard to go back to a smaller one since you maintain a lot more speed without working for it and you don't have to "watch out for rocks and cracks" well as much anyway

Nice, I've gone bigger and smaller than 54mm, but I always go back to 54mm. It's the perfect size, in my opinion.
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Post by: Zimmer on August 18, 2016, 11:19:30 AM
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haha, I just saw this today ...  I skate 56's most of the time with thunders and no risers and I don't even consider them big.  Once you get used to a 55/56 wheel it's hard to go back to a smaller one since you maintain a lot more speed without working for it and you don't have to "watch out for rocks and cracks" well as much anyway
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Nice, I've gone bigger and smaller than 54mm, but I always go back to 54mm. It's the perfect size, in my opinion.

For sure. I wanna try 55mm sometime, but that extra mm makes me nervous.
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Post by: Main on August 18, 2016, 05:27:51 PM
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haha, I just saw this today ...  I skate 56's most of the time with thunders and no risers and I don't even consider them big.  Once you get used to a 55/56 wheel it's hard to go back to a smaller one since you maintain a lot more speed without working for it and you don't have to "watch out for rocks and cracks" well as much anyway
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Nice, I've gone bigger and smaller than 54mm, but I always go back to 54mm. It's the perfect size, in my opinion.
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For sure. I wanna try 55mm sometime, but that extra mm makes me nervous.

I'd recommend sticking with 54mm. Nothing to worry about with that size. Not too big or small, the sweet spot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Zimmer on August 18, 2016, 05:55:00 PM
I really want to like bigger wheels (for rolling over shitty pavement and such), but I just can't stand the height that comes with risers and big wheels.

What do people like about big wheels?
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Post by: Willie on August 18, 2016, 07:06:52 PM
Bigger wheels lets you skate at a different tempo than smaller ones.

Generally, you'll see very few pure street skaters with anything bigger than 54-56 because ollies and such get sluggish at that point but for tranny you can get higher and faster with way less effort.

To keep speed on bowls with small wheels you need to pump the shit out of them. When I ride 58s or above it takes so much less effort but you may also feel like you have less "twitch" reaction ability.
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Post by: Zimmer on August 18, 2016, 07:59:35 PM
Bigger wheels lets you skate at a different tempo than smaller ones.

Generally, you'll see very few pure street skaters with anything bigger than 54-56 because ollies and such get sluggish at that point but for tranny you can get higher and faster with way less effort.

To keep speed on bowls with small wheels you need to pump the shit out of them. When I ride 58s or above it takes so much less effort but you may also feel like you have less "twitch" reaction ability.

Makes sense, I've got some 58mms I couldn't groove with, maybe ill try them out on some park stuff!
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Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on August 27, 2016, 05:19:05 PM
Switching from originally F4 Classic 51mm 99a (now probably 50mm or 49mm) to conical full 52mm and wow what a difference, love em!


(http://i.imgur.com/sTXjdAA.jpg)
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Post by: Paco Supreme on September 02, 2016, 05:57:29 PM
Hey Lenny, I looked on the measurements chart on spitfires site but I couldn't see the specs for a 53 conical, anyone know the width/riding surface?
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Post by: tangar on September 02, 2016, 09:31:40 PM
Regular conical 53 = Width 32, Riding surface 20
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Post by: Paco Supreme on September 03, 2016, 12:47:45 AM
Good looks Tangar, gnar'd
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 06, 2016, 12:14:08 PM
Bigger wheels lets you skate at a different tempo than smaller ones.

Generally, you'll see very few pure street skaters with anything bigger than 54-56 because ollies and such get sluggish at that point but for tranny you can get higher and faster with way less effort.

To keep speed on bowls with small wheels you need to pump the shit out of them. When I ride 58s or above it takes so much less effort but you may also feel like you have less "twitch" reaction ability.

I typically ride 53/54 mm on just about everything (I don't skate vert) and 54s if they are hard enough, work fine or street and bowls. I can out-speed most people at my local park with 52s/swiss six but I get winded fast.

Depending on what you do on street, you can get away with 54/55s I don't flip in or out (maybe a pop shuv in/out or impossibles, maybe a heel out) but flipping in to me, requires smaller wheels, flipping out you have a bit more time for setup.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on September 07, 2016, 12:20:43 PM
I've ridden f4s since the beginning and finally got a significant flat spot. not bad odds and i was intentionally trying to fuck them up by having a little school yard power slide contest with myself. i reckon i was pretty close to a 10'er... anyway, i do a lot of slides and this is the first time i've fucked an F4 to the point where the flat spot won't fix itself with a few hill bombs. still backing the shit out them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on September 07, 2016, 02:16:32 PM
For anyone who was wanting to try a set of the classic slim reynolds f4, my shop has them on sale $24.99, we offer pretty inexpensive shipping on small items or free over $75.00.
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Andrew-Reynolds-Sweeper-Formula-Four-Classic-Slim-99a-x16024421.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Andrew-Reynolds-Sweeper-Formula-Four-Classic-Slim-99a-x16024421.htm)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 19, 2016, 10:13:19 PM
no more classic slims  :o 8)


http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on October 19, 2016, 10:23:56 PM
no more classic slims  :o 8)


http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
Nobody rode those things anyway. Classics are already a pretty slim wheel, just seemed redundant.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 19, 2016, 10:27:51 PM
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no more classic slims  :o 8)


http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
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Nobody rode those things anyway. Classics are already a pretty slim wheel, just seemed redundant.
I agree, I have seen more 99a Classics and Conicals but, yet to see the slims in action
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 20, 2016, 01:25:21 AM
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no more classic slims  :o 8)


http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
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Nobody rode those things anyway. Classics are already a pretty slim wheel, just seemed redundant.

yeah probably the case. i didnt think id feel a difference but the local has like two more sets which ill proably stock up on and be a bit better than to switch it out so quick. (4 months is usually my switch out time)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on October 20, 2016, 09:03:17 AM
I got the slims, I like em a lot for street, but find I ride over the coping too much on tranny
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Post by: micky682 on October 20, 2016, 11:51:45 AM
Probably already talked about in the thread, but was it the difference between the radials/radials slims and classics or conicals?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 20, 2016, 04:02:59 PM
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no more classic slims� :o 8)


http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
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Nobody rode those things anyway. Classics are already a pretty slim wheel, just seemed redundant.
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I agree, I have seen more 99a Classics and Conicals but, yet to see the slims in action

I've a set of both the slims are pretty damn slim in comparison; too soft for me at 99a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GinosGroceries on October 20, 2016, 09:01:23 PM
Bring back the tablet shape!!!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GOATMOON on October 20, 2016, 09:20:22 PM
no more classic slims  :o 8)


http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)

I had a weird experience with those wheels. For some reason they felt softer than the regular 99a f4's and didn't screech at all when powersliding or reverting which I fucking hated. It sounded like a muffled, wet fart or some shit. Plus I was skating some wide ass conicals before them and they felt like stilts in comparison. I switched to 99a radial slims and like those a lot better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on October 21, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
my 99 classic slims definitely feel softer than my 99 radial slims

contact patch is several mm smaller but slides less it seems


overall my favorite wheel is the 101 conical full - the controlled slide is incredible

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jake From State Farm on October 21, 2016, 12:10:36 PM
Bring back the tablet shape!!!!

this
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on November 14, 2016, 11:09:45 PM
I'm gonna be trading for some classic slims soon and your comments are giving me mixed feelings. I don't want them to feel too soft but I also was worried about slipping out. When you guys say soft, do they feel grippier or just slower? I'm trying to skate more street and less parks so that's why I wanted to give them a shot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 22, 2016, 07:04:17 PM
I'm gonna be trading for some classic slims soon and your comments are giving me mixed feelings. I don't want them to feel too soft but I also was worried about slipping out. When you guys say soft, do they feel grippier or just slower? I'm trying to skate more street and less parks so that's why I wanted to give them a shot.

I didn't notice a difference between 99a classics and classic slims other than gripping slightly less on slides. They'll be fine for 'real' street, especially if you have shit roads.

99a spits just feel super slow to me in parks, even the 101s due (compared to SPF/OJs/Ricta, but these rattle your brain on street).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: calvinsdream on November 30, 2016, 08:03:14 AM
After a long time of looking, I finally found the F4 101 58mm. It's the classic shape. Excited to see how these work out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Rick Sanchez on November 30, 2016, 08:35:07 AM
Anyone else cop the glow in the dark f4s or am I the only gimp who thought they were kinda cool
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 30, 2016, 09:59:05 AM
Anyone else cop the glow in the dark f4s or am I the only gimp who thought they were kinda cool

I've never seen a set of glow wheels actually glow...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 30, 2016, 10:10:10 AM
Anyone else cop the glow in the dark f4s or am I the only gimp who thought they were kinda cool

I am considering them but, I want to try out the conical shape and wheels get dirty too fast

Will probably cop the shirt
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on November 30, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
Hey lenny, very small percentage kinda question but any plans for a conical full colour in a 53mm?  ;)

Took over a year but this finally happened  ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sn00p on November 30, 2016, 03:41:26 PM
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I've never seen a set of glow wheels actually glow...

i have a set waiting to be set up with a new board. they've just been sitting in my room but when i turn off the lights at night, they really do glow.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on December 01, 2016, 04:08:56 PM
I skated the classic slims for the first time yesterday, just on the way to work. They felt good, a little weird on a couple powerslides but that just could have been the blacktop. I did like the feeling that the skinny wheels give you, almost like being higher up. I might take them to the skatepark this weekend and see how they feel in bowls and on coping. I was debating going back to 101s but seeing that most of the pro wheels that come out are 99 I opted to stick with the slims and conical 99s on my two setups.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Thomas on December 02, 2016, 01:34:01 AM
Ordered some 101 radial slim yesterday, can't wait to try them !
I'm on 101 classic now, and already tried 101 radial last year, but the ATV look was a bit too much for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on December 02, 2016, 07:36:10 AM
Don't know when these f4 conical full swirls will be available, but very stoked!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/ttowndave/IMG_9182.jpg)   
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hannity on December 02, 2016, 08:17:11 AM
Conical full 4 lyfe dawg

only way to go
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 02, 2016, 02:45:48 PM
Man those look awesome, seen a few sets of those and a yellow/red swirl classic looking shape
What size you wielding 144p?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on December 02, 2016, 05:44:30 PM
53, I have no idea if they are 99 or 101.
Feel kind of hard though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 03, 2016, 11:10:02 AM
Not only do I ride from spot to spot but I also ride my skateboard to and from the train to get to and from work. Because of this, even though I like I like super hard wheels, I got the 99s in the classic shape and 52mm.


Holy shit! First of all, these things felt hard enough for my liking, but not "rattle your teeth" hard.  So far I was glad that I got the 99's.

 There is a slight angle on one of the streets going to work, resulting in a very tiny hill. I was cruising down that hill and decided to test these wheels out  and went for a power slide. I wasn't sure how easy they would slide so I put  A decent amount of pressure and they slid instantly like butter. Not wanting to slip out, I eased up and straightened my leg out and the wheels instantly stopped sliding and went back to normal.


These wheels exceed the hype of sliding when you want them to and gripping when you want them to.


 No I can't say about the longgevity of the wheels, I've only had them for a few days, and I can't comment on the 101s but the 99's, so far, are the best wheel I've ever skated.




Edit: here's a picture of them fresh. Bonus: fresh deck as well.



(https://s15.postimg.org/tqjb6r5y3/IMG_0054.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cherb on December 03, 2016, 12:21:10 PM
Not only do I ride from spot to spot but I also ride my skateboard to and from the train to get to and from work. Because of this, even though I like I like super hard wheels, I got the 99s in the classic shape and 52mm.


Holy shit! First of all, these things felt hard enough for my liking, but not "rattle your teeth" hard.  So far I was glad that I got the 99's.
I like the 101's better than the 99's even for transportation. I may just be weird though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 03, 2016, 01:35:52 PM
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Not only do I ride from spot to spot but I also ride my skateboard to and from the train to get to and from work. Because of this, even though I like I like super hard wheels, I got the 99s in the classic shape and 52mm.


Holy shit! First of all, these things felt hard enough for my liking, but not "rattle your teeth" hard.  So far I was glad that I got the 99's.
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I like the 101's better than the 99's even for transportation. I may just be weird though.
Damn lol.  Do you know how the 101s compare to STFs? Those things make my feet feel like they vibrating after I skate.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cherb on December 03, 2016, 02:37:35 PM
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Not only do I ride from spot to spot but I also ride my skateboard to and from the train to get to and from work. Because of this, even though I like I like super hard wheels, I got the 99s in the classic shape and 52mm.


Holy shit! First of all, these things felt hard enough for my liking, but not "rattle your teeth" hard.  So far I was glad that I got the 99's.
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I like the 101's better than the 99's even for transportation. I may just be weird though.
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Damn lol.  Do you know how the 101s compare to STFs? Those things make my feet feel like they vibrating after I skate.

Nah, I've only skated stf/spf's on friends boards at the park. So I have no experience on rough ground. I just feel like the 99's were slower than the 101's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 03, 2016, 04:24:48 PM
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Not only do I ride from spot to spot but I also ride my skateboard to and from the train to get to and from work. Because of this, even though I like I like super hard wheels, I got the 99s in the classic shape and 52mm.


Holy shit! First of all, these things felt hard enough for my liking, but not "rattle your teeth" hard.  So far I was glad that I got the 99's.
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I like the 101's better than the 99's even for transportation. I may just be weird though.
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Damn lol.  Do you know how the 101s compare to STFs? Those things make my feet feel like they vibrating after I skate.

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Nah, I've only skated stf/spf's on friends boards at the park. So I have no experience on rough ground. I just feel like the 99's were slower than the 101's.
the harder the wheel the faster they are genearally. However I'll take a slightly slower wheel in order to have a slightly more comfortable wheel. I mean it's not like the 99s are exactly "soft".
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on December 04, 2016, 08:01:07 AM
We just marked down the raven tershy 55mm 101s on our site, also still have some reynolds slim cuts available
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Raven-Tershy-Formula-Four-Stomper-55mm-101a-classic-x16024463.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Raven-Tershy-Formula-Four-Stomper-55mm-101a-classic-x16024463.htm)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 04, 2016, 04:25:21 PM
Ordered some 101 radial slim yesterday, can't wait to try them !
I'm on 101 classic now, and already tried 101 radial last year, but the ATV look was a bit too much for me.
I got the 99s and I dig em, not teeth-rattling hard like PFC but that makes them a little bit more versatile imo.
They have this weird optical illusion thing going on with them though, I've ridden 54mm for eons now and the radial slims look tiny in 54
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tracer on December 05, 2016, 06:27:59 PM
FF Glow in the dark now available. I just don't want to get scammed like watch companies do where you only get a few good months of GITD
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on December 05, 2016, 07:14:34 PM
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Not only do I ride from spot to spot but I also ride my skateboard to and from the train to get to and from work. Because of this, even though I like I like super hard wheels, I got the 99s in the classic shape and 52mm.


Holy shit! First of all, these things felt hard enough for my liking, but not "rattle your teeth" hard.  So far I was glad that I got the 99's.
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I like the 101's better than the 99's even for transportation. I may just be weird though.
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Damn lol.  Do you know how the 101s compare to STFs? Those things make my feet feel like they vibrating after I skate.

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Nah, I've only skated stf/spf's on friends boards at the park. So I have no experience on rough ground. I just feel like the 99's were slower than the 101's.
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the harder the wheel the faster they are genearally. However I'll take a slightly slower wheel in order to have a slightly more comfortable wheel. I mean it's not like the 99s are exactly "soft".

it depends on the terrain. softer wheels are usually faster on fucked up terrain but not always.

Here's why I switched over to F4s from Bones. SPFs are fast as fuck in smooth parks but feel like dogshit on the street. STFs are amazing on the street- hard, fast with high rebound but a little slippery on tight round wall. F4 99as are my favorite all-round wheel- that suit all terrain. Maybe a tad slower than bones but I dig the slip-to-grip ratio far more and they have better shapes and sizes for my tastes. 101s are also pretty epic. i finally learned backside power slides because of these buggers. They slide easier than 99s but its not as secure of a feeling for me. I still ride them from time to time though and find them also more versatile than STF/ SPF.

I've flat-spotted both F4 duros and STFS/ SPFs but the F4s tend to work themselves out quicker- meaning they do wear out a bit quicker than bones also.

It comes down to this though- F4s just feel more like real fucking skateboarding wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 05, 2016, 07:24:23 PM
i finally learned backside power slides because of these buggers.
teach me your secrets!!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on December 05, 2016, 07:33:16 PM
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i finally learned backside power slides because of these buggers.
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teach me your secrets!!!

-watch leo valls and julien stranger clips.
-purchase F4 radial slim 101s
-find a hill
-get toey

turning into it seemed to help. initiate a backside turn leaning deep into the hill and put a lot of your weight on your toes while you try and turn your body in the direction of the slide. i found if you give it too much you can still put your back hand down, recover nicely and  save smashing your teeth in.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 05, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
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i finally learned backside power slides because of these buggers.
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teach me your secrets!!!
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-watch leo valls and julien stranger clips.
-purchase F4 radial slim 101s
-find a hill
-get toey

turning into it seemed to help. initiate a backside turn leaning deep into the hill and put a lot of your weight on your toes while you try and turn your body in the direction of the slide. i found if you give it too much you can still put your back hand down, recover nicely and  save smashing your teeth in.
sweet! they always make sense in my head (probably because I've had frontside ones dialed since I was a child) but whenever I try to throw down I just turn 90 degrees and then stop. I know I need to push my legs out further than my body but somewhere along the line the message gets lost...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CINCINNATI on December 06, 2016, 09:15:16 AM
We just marked down the raven tershy 55mm 101s on our site, also still have some reynolds slim cuts available
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Raven-Tershy-Formula-Four-Stomper-55mm-101a-classic-x16024463.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Raven-Tershy-Formula-Four-Stomper-55mm-101a-classic-x16024463.htm)

I've seen these same ones marked down on a couple other sites too. any reason for this?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on December 07, 2016, 12:56:28 AM
 So,  from what I can tell, the general consensus is that the 101's are better than the 99's unless you're primarily skating parks.

 However, I debated for a while which ones to get and  was afraid that the 101's would be too hard so I got the 99's. While the 99's ride really nicely and slide super good on smooth black top and smooth concrete parks,  they don't really have as much of a slide as I would like a normal street turrain.  I still love these wheels to death, but definitely wish I would've gotten the 101's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: christ0v on December 07, 2016, 02:22:11 AM
I skate parks only and the 101s are perfect. I tried the 99s on park and they weren't bad (i'll leave them for the cruiser), just the 101s are much better.
I got to skate some really slick marble? plaza in the sommer and didn't had a single slip. Never getting other wheels now. Maybe i'm going to try some other shape (i ride Silas"s classic 53mm shape), but thats all
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Zimmer on December 07, 2016, 04:48:16 PM
I'm still don't know how I feel about the 101's.. They feel so nice, and the slide makes you feel badass. But I always felt like I couldn't rely on them on anything other than clean, dry, hot concrete! The 99's a little slower, but I like not having to worry about surfaces as much.

The 101's are a summer wheel for me, the rest of the year ill be on 99's and 92's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on December 07, 2016, 04:52:07 PM
If you can't get 99s to slide you need to push a little harder...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on December 07, 2016, 05:48:40 PM
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We just marked down the raven tershy 55mm 101s on our site, also still have some reynolds slim cuts available
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Raven-Tershy-Formula-Four-Stomper-55mm-101a-classic-x16024463.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Raven-Tershy-Formula-Four-Stomper-55mm-101a-classic-x16024463.htm)
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I've seen these same ones marked down on a couple other sites too. any reason for this?
Maybe it's the graphic or size or both, but they just did not sell.
At the time 55mm wasn't made in the formula four in any shape or durometer so i i ordered a decent amount. Just never sold through.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 07, 2016, 06:58:47 PM
I kinda wish they would make an f4 with a "full" riding surface, instead of a tapered one, I burn through those first tapered mm's of the riding surface quickly have to always rotate my wheels to keep them roughly the same size until the riding surface wards down to the full width of the wheel, then I can just leave them mostly rotate once in a while.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cherb on December 07, 2016, 10:25:48 PM
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We just marked down the raven tershy 55mm 101s on our site, also still have some reynolds slim cuts available
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Raven-Tershy-Formula-Four-Stomper-55mm-101a-classic-x16024463.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Raven-Tershy-Formula-Four-Stomper-55mm-101a-classic-x16024463.htm)
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I've seen these same ones marked down on a couple other sites too. any reason for this?
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Maybe it's the graphic or size or both, but they just did not sell.
At the time 55mm wasn't made in the formula four in any shape or durometer so i i ordered a decent amount. Just never sold through.

I wanted to buy those Raven Tershy wheels but I couldn't find them in 53's anywhere. I think it was definitely a little of both the graphic and size as to why they didn't sell. I think the graphic is fucking awesome which generally means they're probably ugly to a lot of people. Most skaters probably think the graphic is too "jockish" as well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on December 08, 2016, 08:39:03 PM
I bought them as I like 55s and there aren't too many F4s in 55mm. Wanted to try a bigger 101 also. Probably save them until spring though. Strictly 99a through the winter.
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Post by: art hellman on December 09, 2016, 08:54:29 AM
Strictly 99a through the winter.
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Post by: perverted super otaku! on December 09, 2016, 09:02:40 AM
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Strictly 99a through the winter.
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Totally agree with this too, best winter wheel by far, st/spf's feel like you chucked bearings into a couple frozen hockey pucks one it gets cold
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: the snake on December 09, 2016, 10:01:15 AM
it's summer where i live, and i bought some 53mm 101a classic fulls, seemed pretty big to the eye on 8.25 with 149 indy but they're great, very comfortable ride even  with a half-twisted back ankle :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Thomas on December 21, 2016, 01:41:22 AM
Tried my first set of radial slim yesterday, really loved the look !
They felt slippier, harder, and faster than classics.
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Post by: fulfillthedream on December 21, 2016, 02:48:23 AM
Tried my first set of radial slim yesterday, really loved the look !
They felt slippier, harder, and faster than classics.

ive seen a lot of PALS on here backing the radial slims - what was the biggest difference you liked? ive rode the F4 classic, classic wide, classic slim and conical full and overall i feel the classic is perfect
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Post by: Thomas on December 21, 2016, 03:51:06 AM
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Tried my first set of radial slim yesterday, really loved the look !
They felt slippier, harder, and faster than classics.
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ive seen a lot of PALS on here backing the radial slims - what was the biggest difference you liked? ive rode the F4 classic, classic wide, classic slim and conical full and overall i feel the classic is perfect

They seem to be a little more reactive, but I only skated an indoor wooden park yet so maybe I need to give them a street session to confirm.
I really enjoyed the feeling of crooked and smith grinds with the new wheels, maybe the slim shape helped also.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 21, 2016, 10:25:52 AM
They're a bit slimmer to go with my non-hesh skating, a bit lighter and lock into grinds better on ledges (I have a tendency to roll out/over using rounder wheels). They really just save you the trouble of skating a massive set of 60mm classics down to where you really want them ;)

Spit need to bring back the awol shape in F4s, I'd bite. Hell bring back the firelighters, they were close to the awol shape.
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Post by: VCR on December 21, 2016, 11:57:25 AM
non-hesh skating

hahahaha
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on December 21, 2016, 05:23:37 PM
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Tried my first set of radial slim yesterday, really loved the look !
They felt slippier, harder, and faster than classics.
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ive seen a lot of PALS on here backing the radial slims - what was the biggest difference you liked? ive rode the F4 classic, classic wide, classic slim and conical full and overall i feel the classic is perfect
I dig mine too. Size is deceiving on them tho, 54s look like 51s cuz of how slim they are
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on December 22, 2016, 02:59:28 AM
I fully dig the fact that their width is consistent through the entire body and this causes the wheel to last forever. Also as mentioned before, these wheels offer the advantages of riding a slightly bigger wheel when going over rough terrain minus the wheel bite.
Riding a set of classics at the  moment and really enjoying these too!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: heckler on December 26, 2016, 06:06:11 PM
Can someone post that diagram explaining the differences between wide and thin wheels? Just dug through half the thread to no avail.
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Post by: 144p on December 26, 2016, 07:20:54 PM
(http://spitfirewheels.com/img/spring16/sf/9_F4_SHAPES_DT-1200.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 26, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
Can someone post that diagram explaining the differences between wide and thin wheels? Just dug through half the thread to no avail.

uhhh....


http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on December 28, 2016, 01:56:00 AM
I don't think I like the classic slims as much as I thought I would. Going to go back to radial slims and try them in 101.


Excellent choice, Sir
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on January 03, 2017, 05:29:10 AM
I regard these wheels as the #1 for street skating. The tablet shape makes them last forever and the nice width allows to easily roll over cracks and shit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GinosGroceries on January 03, 2017, 12:08:46 PM
I regard these wheels as the #1 for street skating. The tablet shape makes them last forever and the nice width allows to easily roll over cracks and shit.
Agreed
I hope they bring back the tablet shape and offer it in 99duro
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mattchew on January 04, 2017, 07:24:31 AM
I'm riding the 54mm conical full. Fuckin love 'em.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: not_ericricks on January 04, 2017, 07:56:18 AM
Stupid me decided to try bones 101a

Total waste

Radial slims is the way to go
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Post by: Zimmer on January 04, 2017, 09:32:07 AM
I'm riding the 54mm conical full. Fuckin love 'em.

Thats exactly my next size/shape, what duro are you using?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: VCR on January 04, 2017, 10:03:18 AM
Radial slims is the way to go

I'm on the radials now and they are a little too wide for me. I really like the shape, so I think I'll be on the slims next.
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Post by: not_ericricks on January 04, 2017, 11:31:44 AM
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I'm on the radials now and they are a little too wide for me. I really like the shape, so I think I'll be on the slims next.

You wont be dissapointed!

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 04, 2017, 07:19:04 PM
looks like I'm riding the right wheels then
#SLAPtrends
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OldManSkate on January 07, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
Radial Slim 101 is definitely my favorite F4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on January 12, 2017, 08:41:09 AM
Here to give the classics some much needed love. 101 classics are the best wheel I've ever had.
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Post by: BMCsteve on January 12, 2017, 02:46:00 PM
Snagged some forty niner F4's for the fun of it

Here they are next to a 54

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/289/31463239053_bde54c0e3b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PWijNR)
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Post by: Jud Nestorkins on January 12, 2017, 06:10:40 PM
Snagged some forty niner F4's for the fun of it

Here they are next to a 54

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/289/31463239053_bde54c0e3b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PWijNR)
Steve, those things are fucking sick!

Edit: I remember years ago I was having nostalgia about the 90s and got these.


(https://media2.blue-tomato.com/is/image/bluetomato/300842380_front.jpg-MO1X8aGhIuAxbwCLbMP2wwU7oIA/Boltz+Blue+49mm.jpg?$b6$)
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Post by: BMCsteve on January 13, 2017, 08:31:59 AM
This looks ridiculous and I love it

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/640/31909870160_2eaf0d1e5b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QBLqFb)
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Post by: calvinsdream on January 13, 2017, 08:54:57 AM
This looks ridiculous and I love it

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/640/31909870160_2eaf0d1e5b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/QBLqFb)

Ahh, nice. I saw the new street plants the other day and was eyeing that one. How's big wheelbase feel with the tiny wheels?
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Post by: BMCsteve on January 13, 2017, 09:05:22 AM
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This looks ridiculous and I love it

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Ahh, nice. I saw the new street plants the other day and was eyeing that one. How's big wheelbase feel with the tiny wheels?

Waiting for the streets to dry a bit more before heading out for a cruise.  In all honesty I'll likely be sticking with 54s on this setup since it's kind of my all around board and the 49ers will be going on an 8.38.  I just couldn't resist putting them on a 9" for a day
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Post by: yourfuckingdad on January 15, 2017, 01:35:13 PM
Honestly think small wheels on a huge board skates pretty great. I ride an 8.9 and my wheels are years old so they're super small and it definitely lightens the load on that thing.
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Post by: shadow on January 15, 2017, 04:26:44 PM
Anyone know which bearing spacers work well with F4s? I'm new to spacers but from everything I've read, it's ideal for the spacer to not be wider than the seat so that there are no gaps left on either side. Riding conical fulls on Thunders.
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Post by: Krooked antihero on January 15, 2017, 11:16:40 PM
Anyone know which bearing spacers work well with F4s? I'm new to spacers but from everything I've read, it's ideal for the spacer to not be wider than the seat so that there are no gaps left on either side. Riding conical fulls on Thunders.
There is not that much difference between spacers from different brands, i have always used bones ones. Do they sell spacers at their own, i've always got mine w/ set of bearings?
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Post by: Xen on January 16, 2017, 08:36:57 AM
NHS spacers are a different height compared to say, Bones spacers.
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Post by: thebacker on January 16, 2017, 04:46:15 PM
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Not only do I ride from spot to spot but I also ride my skateboard to and from the train to get to and from work. Because of this, even though I like I like super hard wheels, I got the 99s in the classic shape and 52mm.


Holy shit! First of all, these things felt hard enough for my liking, but not "rattle your teeth" hard.  So far I was glad that I got the 99's.
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I like the 101's better than the 99's even for transportation. I may just be weird though.
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Damn lol.  Do you know how the 101s compare to STFs? Those things make my feet feel like they vibrating after I skate.

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Nah, I've only skated stf/spf's on friends boards at the park. So I have no experience on rough ground. I just feel like the 99's were slower than the 101's.
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the harder the wheel the faster they are genearally. However I'll take a slightly slower wheel in order to have a slightly more comfortable wheel. I mean it's not like the 99s are exactly "soft".
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it depends on the terrain. softer wheels are usually faster on fucked up terrain but not always.

Here's why I switched over to F4s from Bones. SPFs are fast as fuck in smooth parks but feel like dogshit on the street. STFs are amazing on the street- hard, fast with high rebound but a little slippery on tight round wall. F4 99as are my favorite all-round wheel- that suit all terrain. Maybe a tad slower than bones but I dig the slip-to-grip ratio far more and they have better shapes and sizes for my tastes. 101s are also pretty epic. i finally learned backside power slides because of these buggers. They slide easier than 99s but its not as secure of a feeling for me. I still ride them from time to time though and find them also more versatile than STF/ SPF.

I've flat-spotted both F4 duros and STFS/ SPFs but the F4s tend to work themselves out quicker- meaning they do wear out a bit quicker than bones also.

It comes down to this though- F4s just feel more like real fucking skateboarding wheels.
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Post by: DaSk8D00D on January 17, 2017, 03:35:38 PM
I've been skating the classics in 99d 53-54mm since the F4's came out but I just switched it up to some 52mm 99d Conical Fulls. The classics are starting to look/feel too skinny to me now, and I've been heari slot of good things about the conical shapes. Looking forward to skating em soon
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Post by: sharkin on January 18, 2017, 11:22:55 AM
Honestly think small wheels on a huge board skates pretty great. I ride an 8.9 and my wheels are years old so they're super small and it definitely lightens the load on that thing.

I agree, my 8.625 popsicle has 52s worn down to like 47
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Post by: fulfillthedream on January 18, 2017, 06:05:24 PM
NHS spacers are a different height compared to say, Bones spacers.

never noticed a difference between spacers. been using em on my classic shaped f4s and and they work great. doesn't calm the loud noise fast bearings make.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on January 21, 2017, 06:46:53 AM
just wanted to pop in a re-iterate that

Spitfire Formula Fours are the greatest skateboard wheels ever made.

why do other wheel brands exist?  what's the fucking point? 

(http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/heshdawgzsk8/cabinet/00696220/img63778020.jpg)
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Post by: MaitlandPrivado on January 21, 2017, 07:08:49 AM
just wanted to pop in a re-iterate that

Spitfire Formula Fours are the greatest skateboard wheels ever made.

why do other wheel brands exist?  what's the fucking point?  

(http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/heshdawgzsk8/cabinet/00696220/img63778020.jpg)

Wonder what's up with the classic and classic full dimensions but conical and conical full pics?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Zimmer on January 22, 2017, 10:56:47 AM
The only thing I don't like about F4s is that I can never choose between 101 and 99. They need a 100d !!
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Post by: Paco Supreme on January 22, 2017, 12:19:25 PM
Wonder what's up with the classic and classic full dimensions but conical and conical full pics?

That was probably one of the first spec graphics they made. Whoever did it probably just used a generic template to show how they divide up a wheel. the newer ones are better suited to each wheel shape

(http://socalskateshop.com/images/products/large_74311_SpitfireWheels-classic-53.jpg)
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Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on January 22, 2017, 11:28:11 PM
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just wanted to pop in a re-iterate that

Spitfire Formula Fours are the greatest skateboard wheels ever made.

why do other wheel brands exist?  what's the fucking point?  

(http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/heshdawgzsk8/cabinet/00696220/img63778020.jpg)
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Wonder what's up with the classic and classic full dimensions but conical and conical full pics?

i practice what i preach.  here's a look at the menu for anyone wondering:

(https://s23.postimg.org/rzucmiuvf/IMG_20170123_021718625_HDR.jpg)
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Post by: Julz on March 01, 2017, 04:08:30 PM
Are the classic full in 99d still a thing ? I've called the local shops in my area, no one has a single pair. Can't find them on SW and tactics. I've settle for the conicals, which are pretty much the same thing. But, I was wondering out of curiousity.
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Post by: 144p on March 01, 2017, 07:05:01 PM
I was told they are discontinued.
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on March 02, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
I was told they are discontinued.

Correct.
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Post by: micky682 on March 02, 2017, 12:50:04 PM
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I was told they are discontinued.
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Correct.
Nooo.  :(
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Post by: jamersonbass on March 02, 2017, 01:49:45 PM
I've had a hard time finding white radial slims 101's anywhere online.  Hoping these stick around in the catalog for awhile.
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on March 02, 2017, 01:59:16 PM
I've had a hard time finding white radial slims 101's anywhere online.  Hoping these stick around in the catalog for awhile.

We have a ton in stock.. Ask your shop to order some!  ;)
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Post by: art hellman on March 02, 2017, 01:59:32 PM
accidently bought a set of radial 101s... that GLOW IN THE DARK.  didn't even know that was a thing.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/Zxp6dJwqiTyo0/giphy.gif)

anything about the glow-in-the-dark chemistry that makes the wheels different than regular ol' 101s? 

cant really imagine a scenario where i'll be skating in pitch black enough for them to glow, but as long as they are gonna skate like regular F4s, then oh well. 

 ? 
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Post by: perverted super otaku! on March 02, 2017, 02:03:37 PM
oh man Mr. Burns gif was too perfect there, jolly good show
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Post by: Paco Supreme on March 02, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
Hey Lenny, while you're skulking around the thread>

I've mashed up colored f4s with regular undyed ones 1:3 ratio kinda thing. Think Lance or Grosso vibes.

Question is, in DLXs eyes do the colored wheels wear any different than the undyed ones or am i sweet to just mix and match as i please?
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on March 02, 2017, 02:19:26 PM
Hey Lenny, while you're skulking around the thread>

I've mashed up colored f4s with regular undyed ones 1:3 ratio kinda thing. Think Lance or Grosso vibes.

Question is, in DLXs eyes do the colored wheels wear any different than the undyed ones or am i sweet to just mix and match as i please?

After speaking to our illustrious hard-goods guru, the verdict is that they should all wear the same as long as they are the same Duro to start with.

So mix and match away!
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Post by: Paco Supreme on March 02, 2017, 02:21:42 PM
Thank you for that man  ;D :D
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Post by: GinosGroceries on March 02, 2017, 02:41:07 PM
Lenny/Reed I love you
Please let them know the tablet shape is sorely missed.
I need tablet shape Formula Fours in my life again
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Post by: Enrico Pallazzo on March 02, 2017, 08:34:18 PM
First no more 99 Radials and now no more 99 Classic Fulls? Spitfire is really pushing those conicals.
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Post by: calvinsdream on March 02, 2017, 08:39:19 PM
I actually prefer the radials quite a bit to conical fulls. Fuck.
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Post by: Cherb on March 02, 2017, 10:58:37 PM
First no more 99 Radials and now no more 99 Classic Fulls? Spitfire is really pushing those conicals.
I've still seen a lot of 99 radials. Where did you hear this from?!

I've had a hard time finding white radial slims 101's anywhere online.  Hoping these stick around in the catalog for awhile.
http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-slims-skateboard-wheels/white-101d (http://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-slims-skateboard-wheels/white-101d)
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Post by: commander jameson on March 03, 2017, 12:23:37 AM
I've had a hard time finding white radial slims 101's anywhere online.  Hoping these stick around in the catalog for awhile.

This.
As a STF V3 guy in Europe I was looking for radial slims in 101 to try them but they were nowhere to be found.
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Post by: Roisto on March 03, 2017, 12:44:22 AM
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As a STF V3 guy in Europe I was looking for radial slims in 101 to try them but they were nowhere to be found.

I think the radial slims are quite widely available. Maybe not in white that much, but the different color death adder versions seem to have been around for a while and available quite well IMO. Got a set of the green ones from some sale last summer. Planning to put them on this summer if my leg will allow me to skate.

Here's a few Finnish shops and one Polish shop that have the 101 ones in stock from a quick google search. I've ordered stuff from all of them and can recommend them all.
https://myfavoritethings.fi/fi/tuotteet/skeittaus/199562-spitfire-formula-four-101-radial-slims-52mm/ (https://myfavoritethings.fi/fi/tuotteet/skeittaus/199562-spitfire-formula-four-101-radial-slims-52mm/)
http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2063/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-54mm--renkaat-101du (http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2063/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-54mm--renkaat-101du)
http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2062/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-52mm--renkaat-101du (http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2062/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-52mm--renkaat-101du)
http://super-shop.com/en/i230929-spitfire-wheels-formula-four-radial-slim-night-black (http://super-shop.com/en/i230929-spitfire-wheels-formula-four-radial-slim-night-black)
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Post by: commander jameson on March 03, 2017, 01:53:40 AM
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I've had a hard time finding white radial slims 101's anywhere online.  Hoping these stick around in the catalog for awhile.
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As a STF V3 guy in Europe I was looking for radial slims in 101 to try them but they were nowhere to be found.
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I think the radial slims are quite widely available. Maybe not in white that much, but the different color death adder versions seem to have been around for a while and available quite well IMO. Got a set of the green ones from some sale last summer. Planning to put them on this summer if my leg will allow me to skate.

Here's a few Finnish shops and one Polish shop that have the 101 ones in stock from a quick google search. I've ordered stuff from all of them and can recommend them all.
https://myfavoritethings.fi/fi/tuotteet/skeittaus/199562-spitfire-formula-four-101-radial-slims-52mm/ (https://myfavoritethings.fi/fi/tuotteet/skeittaus/199562-spitfire-formula-four-101-radial-slims-52mm/)
http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2063/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-54mm--renkaat-101du (http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2063/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-54mm--renkaat-101du)
http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2062/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-52mm--renkaat-101du (http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2062/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-52mm--renkaat-101du)
http://super-shop.com/en/i230929-spitfire-wheels-formula-four-radial-slim-night-black (http://super-shop.com/en/i230929-spitfire-wheels-formula-four-radial-slim-night-black)

I can't do colored wheels but will check those links.
Thanks!
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Post by: alraunen on March 03, 2017, 02:40:21 AM
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I've had a hard time finding white radial slims 101's anywhere online.  Hoping these stick around in the catalog for awhile.
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As a STF V3 guy in Europe I was looking for radial slims in 101 to try them but they were nowhere to be found.
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I think the radial slims are quite widely available. Maybe not in white that much, but the different color death adder versions seem to have been around for a while and available quite well IMO. Got a set of the green ones from some sale last summer. Planning to put them on this summer if my leg will allow me to skate.

Here's a few Finnish shops and one Polish shop that have the 101 ones in stock from a quick google search. I've ordered stuff from all of them and can recommend them all.
https://myfavoritethings.fi/fi/tuotteet/skeittaus/199562-spitfire-formula-four-101-radial-slims-52mm/ (https://myfavoritethings.fi/fi/tuotteet/skeittaus/199562-spitfire-formula-four-101-radial-slims-52mm/)
http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2063/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-54mm--renkaat-101du (http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2063/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-54mm--renkaat-101du)
http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2062/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-52mm--renkaat-101du (http://www.unionfive.fi/product/2062/spitfire-f4-radial-slims-death-green-52mm--renkaat-101du)
http://super-shop.com/en/i230929-spitfire-wheels-formula-four-radial-slim-night-black (http://super-shop.com/en/i230929-spitfire-wheels-formula-four-radial-slim-night-black)
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I can't do colored wheels but will check those links.
Thanks!

I have done some research on my euro bookmarks and I only found them in green, black and red. As I seen on their catalogue 101A are only available in colours. I understand you, white wheels and raw silver trucks forever.
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Post by: jamersonbass on March 04, 2017, 06:58:16 AM
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We have a ton in stock.. Ask your shop to order some!  ;)

Thanks, will do.  As always, I appreciate the great CS.
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Post by: mattchew on March 23, 2017, 07:49:12 PM
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I'm riding the 54mm conical full. Fuckin love 'em.
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Thats exactly my next size/shape, what duro are you using?

Sorry, just saw this, don't really stray off too far from Useless and Video sections...

I have the 101. Great wheel. Gonna need new ones in another month or two.
I cant imagine anything other than conical full now, everything else seems so damn skinny/weird looking to me!
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Post by: Diocletian on April 04, 2017, 06:12:08 PM
Anyone else on here unable to ever break away from skating 54mm 101a classic shape f4's? I've tried nearly everything else and nothing...nothing beats the size, shape, and slide.
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Post by: Xen on April 04, 2017, 08:08:47 PM
Anyone else on here unable to ever break away from skating 54mm 101a classic shape f4's? I've tried nearly everything else and nothing...nothing beats the size, shape, and slide.

Skated 'classics' since waaaay back, I was alive and skating when spitfire wheels came to the market; everything else was fat and pretty much soft as shit, OJs were the 'street' wheel of choice if you wanted anything that was fat powell softball wheels.

Since thinner wheels have been around, I can't go back to the round wheel shape when there are wheels with the same riding surface that have  a thinner overall shape (like the radial slims, only f4 I'll ride now).
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Post by: sorry on July 21, 2017, 04:56:59 PM
I bought some Formula Fours 99 two years ago and really loved them
now that I have burned like 5mm off them I bought another set, Formula Fours 99 also, and I have to say these new wheels feel a lot harder than my old ones (mind you, both sets are 54mm)
the difference in hardness is very notable to me, so did the formula change or something? did anyone notice a difference between older/newer f4's?
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Post by: perverted super otaku! on July 21, 2017, 05:23:27 PM
I bought some Formula Fours 99 two years ago and really loved them
now that I have burned like 5mm off them I bought another set, Formula Fours 99 also, and I have to say these new wheels feel a lot harder than my old ones (mind you, both sets are 54mm)
the difference in hardness is very notable to me, so did the formula change or something? did anyone notice a difference between older/newer f4's?
The different shapes can feel different, thinner ones feel more bumpy I think, wider is generally a smoother feeling ride
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Post by: ferraveemo on July 25, 2017, 01:32:28 AM
First no more 99 Radials and now no more 99 Classic Fulls? Spitfire is really pushing those conicals.

Wait what? i know Classic Fulls were discontinued but i hope the fuck not for the Radials???(regular/non-slim)

The 99d Radials in 52 were good street wheels and the 99d 54 could be too and just as good for cruisers.
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on July 25, 2017, 10:52:17 AM
First no more 99 Radials and now no more 99 Classic Fulls? Spitfire is really pushing those conicals.

We still make the Radial and Radial Slim!

Classic Full has been discontinued though.
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Post by: Elderly Gentleman on July 25, 2017, 11:09:26 AM
I just got a set of 53 mm conical fulls in 99a.   I didn't get new bearings and just put in my best ones.  I was riding 55mm 99's from another brand and I loved them but I swear these wheels are faster even though they're slightly smaller.   It could be a placebo effect, because the ride is a little different but I'm really impressed with the slide, to grip ratio.  I like a wheel that isn't slippery but I want to be able to slide when I need to.  These seem to do just that.  I am very impressed.
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Post by: AsianVegan on July 30, 2017, 09:54:49 PM
Gonna grab a set of 52mm conical 99's for an all-purpose setup, I'm not gonna trawl through every page here but is the SFW just a wider shape and a different formula?
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Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 30, 2017, 10:08:02 PM
Gonna grab a set of 52mm conical 99's for an all-purpose setup, I'm not gonna trawl through every page here but is the SFW just a wider shape and a different formula?
Same shape, classic formula. I'm skating a set right now, no complaints.
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Post by: Paco Supreme on July 30, 2017, 10:10:54 PM
Gonna grab a set of 52mm conical 99's for an all-purpose setup, I'm not gonna trawl through every page here but is the SFW just a wider shape and a different formula?

Conicals are slightly skinnier, conical fulls are identical
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Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on July 30, 2017, 10:18:35 PM
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Conicals are slightly skinnier, conical fulls are identical

What he said, I misread, thought you were picking up fulls.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: soccer mom on July 30, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
TABLETS!! Bring back the tablet, just because some asshole internet lurker bitched they chipped, we all have to suffer. Sucks.
 Tablet 101's thats a mean fucking backside powerslide! GOAT of the wheels. Radial slims are the closest and I like them, but man those tablets....
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Post by: GinosGroceries on July 31, 2017, 10:39:29 PM
TABLETS!! Bring back the tablet, just because some asshole internet lurker bitched they chipped, we all have to suffer. Sucks.
 Tablet 101's thats a mean fucking backside powerslide! GOAT of the wheels. Radial slims are the closest and I like them, but man those tablets....

For real!!
I want the tablet shape back too. If they offered it also in 99 then I would literally only buy that wheel from now on
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Post by: CINCINNATI on August 01, 2017, 04:09:07 AM
classic or classic full? grabbing a set from art hellman, cant make up my mind lol. both 53mm. ive been on back to back sets of conical full 56mm (101 and 99 respectively) over teh last two years and want to switch to a smaller wheel. any reason to go with one over the other?
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Post by: Roisto on August 01, 2017, 04:55:12 AM
classic or classic full? grabbing a set from art hellman, cant make up my mind lol. both 53mm. ive been on back to back sets of conical full 56mm (101 and 99 respectively) over teh last two years and want to switch to a smaller wheel. any reason to go with one over the other?

Full will last longer. More surface area to wear down.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 01, 2017, 11:40:21 AM
I wonder why they did seemingly only one run of classic slims... do I have to keep hoarding them or will you all make some more? Also please make them in 101a as well.
(http://shstore.eu/pol_pl_KOLKA-SPITFIRE-FORMULA-FOUR-99D-REYNOLDS-STREET-SWEEPERS-CLASSIC-SLIMS-54-MM-4881_1.jpg)
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Post by: sharkin on August 01, 2017, 12:10:39 PM
I chunked my 54mm classic slims pretty hard.

I didn't try to warranty them, because they were a warranty replacement themselves for a set of radial slims that chunked a little bit. Not trying to ride spitfire to the bank. Powerslides on shitty crete will chip em up good, and the narrow riding surface was a little too slippy for my tastes with 99A, can't imagine 101s
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Post by: fulfillthedream on August 01, 2017, 12:28:08 PM
I wonder why they did seemingly only one run of classic slims... do I have to keep hoarding them or will you all make some more? Also please make them in 101a as well.
(http://shstore.eu/pol_pl_KOLKA-SPITFIRE-FORMULA-FOUR-99D-REYNOLDS-STREET-SWEEPERS-CLASSIC-SLIMS-54-MM-4881_1.jpg)

seems like everyone was hyped on these, only to try them out and not notice much of a difference from the regular classic shape... they have continued all the formula four shapes except the classic slim and tablet
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on August 01, 2017, 02:20:29 PM

seems like everyone was hyped on these, only to try them out and not notice much of a difference from the regular classic shape... they have continued all the formula four shapes except the classic slim and tablet

Classic fulls aren't made anymore either.
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Post by: Xen on August 03, 2017, 08:01:23 AM
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I wonder why they did seemingly only one run of classic slims... do I have to keep hoarding them or will you all make some more? Also please make them in 101a as well.
(http://shstore.eu/pol_pl_KOLKA-SPITFIRE-FORMULA-FOUR-99D-REYNOLDS-STREET-SWEEPERS-CLASSIC-SLIMS-54-MM-4881_1.jpg)
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seems like everyone was hyped on these, only to try them out and not notice much of a difference from the regular classic shape... they have continued all the formula four shapes except the classic slim and tablet

I honestly feel not being 101 and using the classic shape wheel killed sales, should have used the tablet shape.

But hey, we've got the radial slims.... :\
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Glue Reed on August 04, 2017, 12:10:51 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BXYfLuiAa9Z/?hl=en&taken-by=spitfirewheels (https://www.instagram.com/p/BXYfLuiAa9Z/?hl=en&taken-by=spitfirewheels)

new shape.  want want want (if it is what I think it is?)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on August 04, 2017, 04:21:52 PM
They did it years ago
(https://classicskateshop1.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/sf-cat-spring12-2-8.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 04, 2017, 05:53:35 PM
I look at at that shape and just think about how odd it will skate as it wears out, cones and you try to flip them and lose that locked in feel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Glue Reed on August 04, 2017, 08:08:01 PM
they seem to have a shape like some old Slimeballs or something.  Looks like they may be cool but might want to see them in person first.

I really miss parkburners i kinda liked the feel of those better than formula 4s. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Rick Sanchez on August 05, 2017, 01:54:06 PM
they seem to have a shape like some old Slimeballs or something.  Looks like they may be cool but might want to see them in person first.

I really miss parkburners i kinda liked the feel of those better than formula 4s. 

Buy spit classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Headded on August 06, 2017, 06:36:22 PM
Is the 54 mm 99a full conical shape a good all terrain wheel? Good for whatever? Good grip but not too much? And good slide when needed on command? Been getting handed down wheels for years havent really tested the waters of wheels yet and just curious. Need a good wheel thats not gonna fail me and or get in the way.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thebacker on August 06, 2017, 08:22:52 PM
Is the 54 mm 99a full conical shape a good all terrain wheel? Good for whatever? Good grip but not too much? And good slide when needed on command? Been getting handed down wheels for years havent really tested the waters of wheels yet and just curious. Need a good wheel thats not gonna fail me and or get in the way.
it's an ideal all terrain wheel imo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 07, 2017, 12:50:46 PM
Is the 54 mm 99a full conical shape a good all terrain wheel? Good for whatever? Good grip but not too much? And good slide when needed on command? Been getting handed down wheels for years havent really tested the waters of wheels yet and just curious. Need a good wheel thats not gonna fail me and or get in the way.

It is but (and I'm sure I am in the minority here) you could get by on regular conicals unless you have to have a massively wide wheel.
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Post by: sharkin on August 07, 2017, 01:43:13 PM
I would agree 99a conical 54mm is the middlest of the roads
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on August 07, 2017, 02:02:02 PM
Lovin the Radials. Got some 54mm 101s that are just perfect for everything.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bensquirts on August 13, 2017, 03:30:59 AM
Got a relatively new set of 101 f4's and flat spotted the shit out of them yesterday. I was skating a diy with garage styled concrete, slid out on a trick and now it sounds like I'm on a dirt bike. Anyone else had this issue on smoother ground?
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Post by: gumi on August 13, 2017, 05:20:49 AM
Got a relatively new set of 101 f4's and flat spotted the shit out of them yesterday. I was skating a diy with garage styled concrete, slid out on a trick and now it sounds like I'm on a dirt bike. Anyone else had this issue on smoother ground?

First time I've ever heard f4s flatspotted
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on August 13, 2017, 06:06:09 AM
Never had a set flatspot. Worst that has happened to me while skating F4s is they'd chunk out at the edges, including the last set I had.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bensquirts on August 13, 2017, 07:16:47 AM
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Got a relatively new set of 101 f4's and flat spotted the shit out of them yesterday. I was skating a diy with garage styled concrete, slid out on a trick and now it sounds like I'm on a dirt bike. Anyone else had this issue on smoother ground?
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First time I've ever heard f4s flatspotted

I'll try to get a photo of it, it's definitely noticeable while riding and when you run your finger over the wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: N.L. on August 13, 2017, 09:08:41 AM
I feel like new wheels are more vulnerable to flat spots. I like to break them in a bit before I try tricks. Bomb a few hills, rough 'em up, then slide them around a bit. Not sure if there's any science to this but it seems to work for me as I had a run of flat spotting brand new wheels. Also all the flat spots I've had on F4s have been relatively small and work themselves out pretty quick. Unlike say with an SPF, whereby, once flat spotted it takes a lot to get them round again....

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on August 13, 2017, 09:58:14 PM
Got a relatively new set of 101 f4's and flat spotted the shit out of them yesterday. I was skating a diy with garage styled concrete, slid out on a trick and now it sounds like I'm on a dirt bike. Anyone else had this issue on smoother ground?

I have flatspotted 2 sets of bones stf, a set of f4 classics and a set of f4 radial slims all on very smooth surface, reverting 180s off the flat! . Also what N.L. said is 100% true for me, the wheels were all brand new when this happened. I have never flatspotted a wheel on asphalt and to add to this i cured those flatspots by powersliding on rough streets.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 13, 2017, 11:53:46 PM
Haven't had a set flatpot, have gotten chunks out, but thats a non issue, noticed my current set had a i guess puncture would be the right word, theres little shards of metal embedded in one of the wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thebacker on August 14, 2017, 09:21:47 AM
Got a relatively new set of 101 f4's and flat spotted the shit out of them yesterday. I was skating a diy with garage styled concrete, slid out on a trick and now it sounds like I'm on a dirt bike. Anyone else had this issue on smoother ground?

my man email deluxe and they will send you out a set. they are just gonna want you to send back the wheels to them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on August 14, 2017, 10:13:48 AM
Got a relatively new set of 101 f4's and flat spotted the shit out of them yesterday. I was skating a diy with garage styled concrete, slid out on a trick and now it sounds like I'm on a dirt bike. Anyone else had this issue on smoother ground?

Email me!

[email protected]
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bensquirts on August 14, 2017, 10:15:07 AM
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my man email deluxe and they will send you out a set. they are just gonna want you to send back the wheels to them

Good looking out! I had no idea I could do that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 14, 2017, 05:05:26 PM
Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on August 14, 2017, 09:54:07 PM
Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.

I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2017, 07:21:08 AM
Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.

Same for me, Radial slims only (even then, they push my width limit =) ) -  30mm width maximum
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 15, 2017, 12:24:34 PM
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Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.
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I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
i'll buy them off ya if there in good condition
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Post by: Roisto on August 15, 2017, 01:30:17 PM
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Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.
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I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
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i'll buy them off ya if there in good condition

They're hardly used, but I'm in Finland and I'm guessing you're not, so it probably won't be logistically feasible.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on August 15, 2017, 01:44:04 PM
Do I want Lock Ins?


I know it's a gimmick, but do I want them?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on August 15, 2017, 02:11:04 PM
Do I want Lock Ins?


I know it's a gimmick, but do I want them?
This is Slap, we'll see that you bought them next week and expect to hear from you if they did or didn't work.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on August 21, 2017, 06:22:24 AM
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Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.
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I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
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They're hardly used, but I'm in Finland and I'm guessing you're not, so it probably won't be logistically feasible.

Set up a new set of radial slims, 101/52mm (the ones with the cobra) and 2 sessions in I have the same problem that I had with my previous set of radial slims. The bearings keep sliding out of the pockets (after 2-3 tricks or a few turns of just riding) and the board feels slow and sluggish which is expected when the bearings are not placed properly. I just wonder if both sets were faulty as I never had this problem with any other set of spitfires (bones would do that but only when the bearing sockets would become slack, after a month or so). I know this can be cured/avoided by using spacers and I really don't wanna get into another "spacers are good" discussion. Anyway, just ordered two sets of classics 52mm and 50mm and can't wait for them to arrive.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on August 21, 2017, 07:12:27 AM
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Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.
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I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
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i'll buy them off ya if there in good condition
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They're hardly used, but I'm in Finland and I'm guessing you're not, so it probably won't be logistically feasible.
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Set up a new set of radial slims, 101/52mm (the ones with the cobra) and 2 sessions in I have the same problem that I had with my previous set of radial slims. The bearings keep sliding out of the pockets (after 2-3 tricks or a few turns of just riding) and the board feels slow and sluggish which is expected when the bearings are not placed properly. I just wonder if both sets were faulty as I never had this problem with any other set of spitfires (bones would do that but only when the bearing sockets would become slack, after a month or so). I know this can be cured/avoided by using spacers and I really don't wanna get into another "spacers are good" discussion. Anyway, just ordered two sets of classics 52mm and 50mm and can't wait for them to arrive.

 :D I'm at the other end of that argument for sure but yeah, let's not get into it. I have spacers in my radial slims so I haven't had any such issues but the bearings do not sit deep at all in the radial slims. I think that might be causing them not to be seated very tight.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on August 21, 2017, 08:54:52 AM
Yeah this is something that I also noticed, the bearings definitely don't "pop" in the seat whereas at the classic shape the fit is way tighter.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Krooked antihero on August 21, 2017, 11:49:15 PM
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Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.
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I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
What type of terrain do you skate? Because I live in Finland too and I rock only skinniest wheels I can find, last summer was those radial slims 52mm and now I'm skating bones stf's 52mm and I absolutely love skating skinny hard wheels.I skate mostly slappies and transition, lately been skating ledges more tho.It's like you not gonna be able to travel long distance with those wheels on shitty ground but going fast on those things feels like you're flying...and I love that sound what skinny hard wheels make when you powerslide shit out of them <3
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on August 22, 2017, 12:17:24 AM
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Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.
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I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
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What type of terrain do you skate? Because I live in Finland too and I rock only skinniest wheels I can find, last summer was those radial slims 52mm and now I'm skating bones stf's 52mm and I absolutely love skating skinny hard wheels.I skate mostly slappies and transition, lately been skating ledges more tho.It's like you not gonna be able to travel long distance with those wheels on shitty ground but going fast on those things feels like you're flying...and I love that sound what skinny hard wheels make when you powerslide shit out of them <3

Mainly flatground, especially now that my leg isn't yet fully recovered. With the F4s it's only relatively smooth ground for me. I wouldn't even think of rolling around the streets with those. Got the Keyframes on another set up for that.

With the radial slims it's not so much the feel of the wheels but the fact that I can't see them properly enough. It just fucks with my head and makes me feel like I'm rocking 129s on a 8.5" deck or something crazy like that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on August 22, 2017, 07:25:14 AM
yeah ive noticed that with the  radial slims

I have an 8.38 with 149s and they look seem even more hidden than my conicals set up on an 8.875 with 159s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 22, 2017, 11:24:14 AM
I've switched from classic slims to the conical - seem just as fast, but I have way more control skating transition. Evan smith glow/blue 53mm
(https://scontent-dft4-3.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/20987238_509295189405321_4604328773809078272_n.jpg)
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Post by: Cherb on August 22, 2017, 12:03:51 PM
I've switched from classic slims to the conical - seem just as fast, but I have way more control skating transition. Evan smith glow/blue 53mm
(https://scontent-dft4-3.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/20987238_509295189405321_4604328773809078272_n.jpg)
Those look so nice. But I don't think I can go back to 99 after skating 101's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 22, 2017, 12:06:54 PM
I love 'em both - I have conical full 101s on my bigger board.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on August 23, 2017, 05:12:53 PM
Those look so nice. But I don't think I can go back to 99 after skating 101's

This. I started riding 101s first, then switched to 99s for a year, now I'm back on 101s and will probably stick with them from now on. For someone like me who likes the feel of hard wheels on street they're pretty much perfect. Once they're worn in they grip good enough for anything other than crazy tranny GT style stuff.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: soccer mom on August 28, 2017, 03:47:02 PM
I love the Lock in's, my favorite wheel ever was F4 101 tablets and the Lock In's lock like the tablets. I dig the wheels, but am hoping for Lock In Slims! Do it Deluxe, I'm sure you would sell tons of them. ( Not that you are not selling tons of Regular Lock In's )
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 28, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
Going off of Tactics measurements table the Lock-Ins are 1.5mm skinnier than Conical Fulls but have a greater contact surface.
I'm of two minds about trying these out, i love the conical fulls but a squared out inner side is interesting
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Daniel on August 29, 2017, 09:17:04 PM
101a radial slims for life.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on August 29, 2017, 09:55:48 PM
101a radial slims for life.

101a radial normal width for life. but what size? 53 probably.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 29, 2017, 10:03:23 PM
Lock ins  ::) what are you going to do when they start to cone?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Pigeon on August 29, 2017, 10:06:18 PM
Lock ins  ::) what are you going to do when they start to cone?
Flip them and deal with having the graphics on the outside.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on August 29, 2017, 10:20:38 PM
I've always gone 54mm classic shape 101's until today, I bought some 54mm 101 radial slims. I like the aesthetic when looking down at them. I'll skate tomorrow and already know they're gonna slide like butter. Spitfire really set the standard when they came out with the formula four. They're unbeatable, period!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Paladin on August 29, 2017, 10:47:59 PM
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Flip them and deal with having the graphics on the outside.
You mean the lock in flat side on the outside... That's what I was getting at.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 30, 2017, 01:00:07 AM
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Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.
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I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
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i'll buy them off ya if there in good condition
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They're hardly used, but I'm in Finland and I'm guessing you're not, so it probably won't be logistically feasible.
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Set up a new set of radial slims, 101/52mm (the ones with the cobra) and 2 sessions in I have the same problem that I had with my previous set of radial slims. The bearings keep sliding out of the pockets (after 2-3 tricks or a few turns of just riding) and the board feels slow and sluggish which is expected when the bearings are not placed properly. I just wonder if both sets were faulty as I never had this problem with any other set of spitfires (bones would do that but only when the bearing sockets would become slack, after a month or so). I know this can be cured/avoided by using spacers and I really don't wanna get into another "spacers are good" discussion. Anyway, just ordered two sets of classics 52mm and 50mm and can't wait for them to arrive.
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 :D I'm at the other end of that argument for sure but yeah, let's not get into it. I have spacers in my radial slims so I haven't had any such issues but the bearings do not sit deep at all in the radial slims. I think that might be causing them not to be seated very tight.

felt like trying classics so i threw a old set on replacing my radial slims and holy shit - theres a world of a difference on how the bearings function in the classic shape (bearings go in deep) and the radial slims (bearings dont go in deep)  - the classics allow the bearings to spin faster.. after trying the classic slim, classic wide, conical full, radial and radial slim.. the classic really works the best for me!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on August 30, 2017, 01:49:02 AM
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Gotta set of the Radial F4's 53mm. was skating the Radial Slims before, skated the regular radials for a few days but couldn't get used to them so went back to the old radial slims. dont think i can really get used to the wider wheels like the conicals, classic wide, radial etc. radial slims are the widest i can go.
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I seem to be the exact opposite. Got a set of radial slims now and I'm wondering why I ever bought them. Really hard getting used to them. I feel like I should have at least conicals if not conical fulls. Even with 149s on a 8.25" the radial slims look a bit too magic carpet for me. I'll give them a few more sessions and if I can't get used to them, I'll have to get rid of them and get something wider. Funny how this goes.  :D
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i'll buy them off ya if there in good condition
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They're hardly used, but I'm in Finland and I'm guessing you're not, so it probably won't be logistically feasible.
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Set up a new set of radial slims, 101/52mm (the ones with the cobra) and 2 sessions in I have the same problem that I had with my previous set of radial slims. The bearings keep sliding out of the pockets (after 2-3 tricks or a few turns of just riding) and the board feels slow and sluggish which is expected when the bearings are not placed properly. I just wonder if both sets were faulty as I never had this problem with any other set of spitfires (bones would do that but only when the bearing sockets would become slack, after a month or so). I know this can be cured/avoided by using spacers and I really don't wanna get into another "spacers are good" discussion. Anyway, just ordered two sets of classics 52mm and 50mm and can't wait for them to arrive.
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 :D I'm at the other end of that argument for sure but yeah, let's not get into it. I have spacers in my radial slims so I haven't had any such issues but the bearings do not sit deep at all in the radial slims. I think that might be causing them not to be seated very tight.
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felt like trying classics so i threw a old set on replacing my radial slims and holy shit - theres a world of a difference on how the bearings function in the classic shape (bearings go in deep) and the radial slims (bearings dont go in deep)  - the classics allow the bearings to spin faster.. after trying the classic slim, classic wide, conical full, radial and radial slim.. the classic really works the best for me!

what do you have to say about these wheels regarding bearing placement? I have never seen a set of classic slims first hand and have always been into the slimmer shapes so I'm curious. I had ordered a set of classics 52mm and a set of classics 50mm and both arrived yesterday. As stated on the spitfire sizing diagram, the 50mm are slightly narrower than the 52mm and look like a treat to skate. I'm going to set the 52's first and when they are done I will go to the 50's so I don't feel the transition in size as much. I know for a fact that the smaller I go on wheel size, the better my skating gets (I am an old-ish pussy and mostly skate mirror smooth concrete)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on August 30, 2017, 05:07:34 PM
I skated some classic slims and the bearings sit fine. Not noticeably pushed out at all, like they look on the radial slims.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 30, 2017, 05:40:28 PM
@ Esquivel -what Tangar said - theres no noticeable  difference. heres a old photo

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHWpze4DX0l/?taken-by=imran927 (https://www.instagram.com/p/BHWpze4DX0l/?taken-by=imran927)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on August 31, 2017, 02:04:43 AM
@ Esquivel -what Tangar said - theres no noticeable  difference. heres a old photo

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHWpze4DX0l/?taken-by=imran927 (https://www.instagram.com/p/BHWpze4DX0l/?taken-by=imran927)

I am worried about my laptop's keyboard because right now I am drooling hard- these classic slims look absolutely amazing. Skated the 52mm set yesterday, stoked like every time I have laid my hands on classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on September 02, 2017, 09:20:18 PM
I'm about 5 days in with my radial slim 101a 54mm's and they are seriously the greatest wheels ever. They get me so stoked with every powerslide that comes effortlessly. Even less effort than the classic shape, these are just pure butter. Aesthetically, they look so perfect on my stage 7 Indy's. Thank you deluxe, you absolutely nailed it with this formula and shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on September 05, 2017, 11:50:58 AM
I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 05, 2017, 12:34:53 PM
I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
The exact reason why I switched from those back to good ole stf v3's. Most of my friends skate F4's without any problems but for me they were little bit too unpredictable,especially on tight tranny.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Glue Reed on September 10, 2017, 05:06:36 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=68020.msg2682959#msg2682959 date=1504640093
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I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
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The exact reason why I switched from those back to good ole stf v3's. Most of my friends skate F4's without any problems but for me they were little bit too unpredictable,especially on tight tranny.

I've been having this issue recently with Formula 4's as well.  I got the new Lock Ins and they're really slippery.  Had me reminiscing about Parkburners.

May just try to pick up some Classics and try to forget about all these formula's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gumi on September 10, 2017, 05:09:58 PM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=68020.msg2682959#msg2682959 date=1504640093
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I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
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The exact reason why I switched from those back to good ole stf v3's. Most of my friends skate F4's without any problems but for me they were little bit too unpredictable,especially on tight tranny.
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I've been having this issue recently with Formula 4's as well.  I got the new Lock Ins and they're really slippery.  Had me reminiscing about Parkburners.

May just try to pick up some Classics and try to forget about all these formula's.

Are classics much different to f4's? I heard they flatspot way easier. F4's have never let me down so I'd be bummed if I spend 35 on classics and they suck when I could have got f4's for 40
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on September 15, 2017, 07:31:53 AM

Are classics much different to f4's? I heard they flatspot way easier. F4's have never let me down so I'd be bummed if I spend 35 on classics and they suck when I could have got f4's for 40

Classics do flatspot easier - get f4s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dr. Octagon on September 15, 2017, 07:41:07 PM
picked up some 56mm 99A conical fulls today, the last set I had in that size/shape lasted two years.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on September 19, 2017, 06:05:46 AM
Anyone curious on the lock ins I'd highly recommend them

I set up a pair of 53mm 99a last week and I gotta say they lock in way better than any other shape -- go figure
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gumi on September 19, 2017, 07:08:46 AM
I skate my f4's for like a year minimum so not keen on buying a set of lockins and them wearing down weird/the gimmick vanishing. Makes sense to just stick with classic shape
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JusticeAbberdash on September 25, 2017, 07:18:44 PM
I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?

It's weird, 101s seem to ride fine in snow, but are suicide in the rain!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on September 25, 2017, 08:53:23 PM
I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?

They should slide about the same as a bigger surface area (wider wheel) does not increase the coefficient of friction (grip).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on September 26, 2017, 12:18:37 AM
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I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?
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They should slide about the same as a bigger surface area (wider wheel) does not increase the coefficient of friction (grip).

I agree with this but it has made me think what the ideal wheel width for powerslides would be. I have noticed that if I am using super skinny wheels I get some serious vibration because of the abrasion of the wheels paired with their narrow shape. The wider the wheels, the pitch of the vibration becomes finer and I get to slide smoother without much "brrrrrrr" but more of a "screeech" sound that I believe helps preserve speed and also puts less stress on my bearings. Any thoughts? What is SLAP's preferred wheel width for powerslides? For 52mm that I usually skate I definitely have to go radial slims>classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on September 26, 2017, 12:42:16 AM
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I've been running radial slim 99s in the winter and 101s in the summer. I've decided I like the 101s more, so I bought some conical 101s for the winter. I'm thinking the little bit of extra width will be enough for slippery situations. Can anyone let me know how the conicals compare to the radial slims?
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They should slide about the same as a bigger surface area (wider wheel) does not increase the coefficient of friction (grip).
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I agree with this but it has made me think what the ideal wheel width for powerslides would be. I have noticed that if I am using super skinny wheels I get some serious vibration because of the abrasion of the wheels paired with their narrow shape. The wider the wheels, the pitch of the vibration becomes finer and I get to slide smoother without much "brrrrrrr" but more of a "screeech" sound that I believe helps preserve speed and also puts less stress on my bearings. Any thoughts? What is SLAP's preferred wheel width for powerslides? For 52mm that I usually skate I definitely have to go radial slims>classics

For street skating at nice spots, definitely something thinner like radial slims. For bombing hills and skating shitty terrain, a wider wheel like lock-ins or conicals/conical fulls help a bit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gumi on September 26, 2017, 02:38:07 AM
Classics, hence the name
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 26, 2017, 07:05:00 AM
Quote from: Krooked antihero  link=topic=68020.msg2682959#msg2682959 date=1504640093
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I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
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The exact reason why I switched from those back to good ole stf v3's. Most of my friends skate F4's without any problems but for me they were little bit too unpredictable,especially on tight tranny.

V3s for Tranny? Mini ramps maybe...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: calvinsdream on September 26, 2017, 07:33:03 AM
You kids don't know what you want! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cc6mMwysI8#)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on September 28, 2017, 08:56:07 AM
i drive myself crazy with wheel shapes all the time.  I personally think the conical sidewalls are not as aesthetically pleasing as the classics, or even the radials...

anyways, the classics are already a pretty wide wheel to begin with and if you skate a set of em long enough, the riding surface gets to be just about as wide as a conical shape, and then you have the more attractive sidewalls. 

i dunno. i'm still influenced heavily by whomever's part(s) i'm watching at the moment.  if i'm watching more recent skate parts (or even AVE), I tend to want to throw on some conicals, but if im watching older stuff then I tend to want to throw on some classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CINCINNATI on September 28, 2017, 10:56:56 AM
i drive myself crazy with wheel shapes all the time.  I personally think the conical sidewalls are not as aesthetically pleasing as the classics, or even the radials...

anyways, the classics are already a pretty wide wheel to begin with and if you skate a set of em long enough, the riding surface gets to be just about as wide as a conical shape, and then you have the more attractive sidewalls. 

i dunno. i'm still influenced heavily by whomever's part(s) i'm watching at the moment.[/b}  if i'm watching more recent skate parts (or even AVE), I tend to want to throw on some conicals, but if im watching older stuff then I tend to want to throw on some classics.

exactly how I am with literally everything. I watch a gonz part, I want a krooked board. I watch Elijah Berle footage, I want conical full and old skools.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on September 29, 2017, 07:25:57 AM
Classics have the smallest riding surface. It doesn't get much wider unless you ride them down to 40mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: calvinsdream on September 29, 2017, 08:04:13 AM
Just tried the 53mm 101 lock ins last night. They slide really nicely. More controllable than conicals in my opinion.

Funny that spitfire just keeps reviving their older shapes in the formula four urethane (classic slims, lock ins).

(http://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/a/1/new-anthony-van-engelen-spitfire-99du-asymmetrical-lock-ins-skateboard-wheels-fd25426a6666de1aaf690ab463aec5cd.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on September 29, 2017, 09:18:43 AM
the spitfire giveth and the spitfire taketh

but the spitfire always burnsth
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on September 29, 2017, 07:16:09 PM

Funny that spitfire just keeps reviving their older shapes in the formula four urethane (classic slims, lock ins).


they should just make the f4 urethane the standard for all the wheels!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2017, 07:52:59 PM
Just tried the 53mm 101 lock ins last night. They slide really nicely. More controllable than conicals in my opinion.

Funny that spitfire just keeps reviving their older shapes in the formula four urethane (classic slims, lock ins).

(http://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/a/1/new-anthony-van-engelen-spitfire-99du-asymmetrical-lock-ins-skateboard-wheels-fd25426a6666de1aaf690ab463aec5cd.jpg)

...patiently waiting for the return of the AWOL cut...it'll never happen, but one can dream...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stoeipoes on October 03, 2017, 05:22:34 AM
At the shop I work we have the hjalte f4 classic shape wheel and the Daan van der Linden f4 radial slim wheel.
Hard to choose!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 03, 2017, 08:26:25 PM
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Just tried the 53mm 101 lock ins last night. They slide really nicely. More controllable than conicals in my opinion.

Funny that spitfire just keeps reviving their older shapes in the formula four urethane (classic slims, lock ins).

(http://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/a/1/new-anthony-van-engelen-spitfire-99du-asymmetrical-lock-ins-skateboard-wheels-fd25426a6666de1aaf690ab463aec5cd.jpg)
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...patiently waiting for the return of the AWOL cut...it'll never happen, but one can dream...


(https://exoduskate.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/sf-cat-spring12-7.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: VCR on October 04, 2017, 11:32:44 AM
Is there no longer a formula four in a classic full shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on October 04, 2017, 01:27:52 PM
Is there no longer a formula four in a classic full shape?

Classic full was discontinued a while ago.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: VCR on October 05, 2017, 08:25:44 AM
Bummer
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 09, 2017, 03:07:05 PM
I know it's been discussed a little bit, but what's the deal with the F4 Lock Ins? I get that they're asymmetrical but I'm still not quite following the benefit. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on November 09, 2017, 03:37:23 PM
I know it's been discussed a little bit, but what's the deal with the F4 Lock Ins? I get that they're asymmetrical but I'm still not quite following the benefit.

Conical on the outside. Completely straight cut on the inside to help you lock into ledges and round rails etc better, less chance of slipping out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on November 10, 2017, 12:18:16 PM
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I know it's been discussed a little bit, but what's the deal with the F4 Lock Ins? I get that they're asymmetrical but I'm still not quite following the benefit.
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Conical on the outside. Completely straight cut on the inside to help you lock into ledges and round rails etc better, less chance of slipping out.

Also a greater chance of hanging up on tranny
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 11, 2017, 01:50:13 PM
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I know it's been discussed a little bit, but what's the deal with the F4 Lock Ins? I get that they're asymmetrical but I'm still not quite following the benefit.
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Conical on the outside. Completely straight cut on the inside to help you lock into ledges and round rails etc better, less chance of slipping out.
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Also a greater chance of hanging up on tranny

I skate much more tranny than I do ledge/rail, so maybe these ain't for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: j....soy..... on November 11, 2017, 10:19:12 PM
Something else which is sick about straight cut is.....more truck.

I've noticed though conicals it feels like I don't primo as bad.....

The asymmetrical is sick...except that you can't reverse them....,
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Chuck Gender on November 11, 2017, 11:29:48 PM

The asymmetrical is sick...except that you can't reverse them....,

That's the reason I wouldn't buy them. Plus, radial slims are just fine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 13, 2017, 08:22:28 PM
Something else which is sick about straight cut is.....more truck.

I've noticed though conicals it feels like I don't primo as bad.....

The asymmetrical is sick...except that you can't reverse them....,

That's why I love straight cut (thinnish) wheels; Radial Slims, V2s, etc. Still can't find any good tablet shapes these days, everyones trending to wiiiiiide wheels, even Ricta, whom you could count on to have atleast one thinish/tablet wheel around.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: j....soy..... on November 13, 2017, 11:12:03 PM
Yah....isn't what bones make mostly thin?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 14, 2017, 08:31:35 AM
Yah....isn't what bones make mostly thin?

They seem pretty split, V2/V3 are thinnest - V1, V4, V5 are widest (not riding surface for all of them but actual wheel width). They also scale better (as does Spit for the most part) where as the wheel gets taller it gets wider and vice versa.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GinosGroceries on November 14, 2017, 09:37:59 PM
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I know it's been discussed a little bit, but what's the deal with the F4 Lock Ins? I get that they're asymmetrical but I'm still not quite following the benefit.
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Conical on the outside. Completely straight cut on the inside to help you lock into ledges and round rails etc better, less chance of slipping out.

What's the benefit of the conical outside? Less weight? Why not just go tablet shape and have the straight cut on both sides?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on November 15, 2017, 06:53:52 AM
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I know it's been discussed a little bit, but what's the deal with the F4 Lock Ins? I get that they're asymmetrical but I'm still not quite following the benefit.
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Conical on the outside. Completely straight cut on the inside to help you lock into ledges and round rails etc better, less chance of slipping out.
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What's the benefit of the conical outside? Less weight? Why not just go tablet shape and have the straight cut on both sides?

Slappies, wallrides, pool coping is easier to ride over w/out hanging up, less chips on your wheels as well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: j....soy..... on November 15, 2017, 10:26:08 AM
I mentioned this before but conicals don't primo as bad....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 25, 2017, 08:12:58 PM
 Back on 52mm 101 classics.


Best street wheel hands down. Feels like a wider wheel but I get the slide of a skinny one. I love them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 30, 2017, 12:02:03 AM
Can those of you who like the 99s over the 101s or vice verse tell me why you do?

I just noticed that 99% of pro model Formula Fours are 99s (only ones I  think of of the top of my head that aren’t are those old Silas’) and in this thread one guy who runs/owns/works at a shop said they sell they 99s over 101s five to one so I am wondering if I should switch to the 99s.


I’ve only ever had one set of 99s but that was almost a year ago and the deck got left with a crazy ex who moved and that was only about a week after I got them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on November 30, 2017, 12:14:12 AM
Can those of you who like the 99s over the 101s or vice verse tell me why you do?

I just noticed that 99% of pro model Formula Fours are 99s (only ones I  think of of the top of my head that aren’t are those old Silas’) and in this thread one guy who runs/owns/works at a shop said they sell they 99s over 101s five to one so I am wondering if I should switch to the 99s.


I’ve only ever had one set of 99s but that was almost a year ago and the deck got left with a crazy ex who moved and that was only about a week after I got them.

99s are a little more forgiving on shitty terrain, and due to them being softer, slow you down more when powersliding. I did a really long powerslide on 101s while bombing a hill once to slow down a little bit and didn't slow down at all. Also 99s seem to make a slightly less high pitched screech when sliding which I prefer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 30, 2017, 12:34:07 AM
99s are already slippery enough and handle rougher ground a lot better than 101s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on December 01, 2017, 10:28:26 AM
I like using 101s in parks and 99s on street
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on December 01, 2017, 01:13:31 PM
I like using 101s in parks and 99s on street
This.
I can get the 99s to tailslide on parks but they are way more grippy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on December 22, 2017, 09:30:57 PM
Not only have I caught truck madness, but now I'm getting wheel madness. I love the classic (as in non Formula Fours), but they can't slide, and I'm horrified of trying too hard and flat spotting them. I'm going to pick up some 101a F4s. That was my first set of F4s I ever tried, so it might be nice to have a reunion. I'll post back soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spitfire4life on December 26, 2017, 10:36:54 PM
Picked up some 101a's in the classic shape and I am absolutely in love with them. I didn't realize how hard to was to slide Spit classics until I got these.  Even on the more slippy parts of the park they didn't slide out, but if I needed them to, they did. If anyone's considering these, get them!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on December 27, 2017, 07:12:24 AM
Got some of the lock ins for xmas -

Just my opinion  - They do help lock in, even more noticeably on transition - awesome wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Szechuan on December 28, 2017, 08:51:48 AM
99s are already slippery enough and handle rougher ground a lot better than 101s.
This. My 56 F4 99a's are amazing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: micky682 on December 29, 2017, 11:26:59 AM
Got some of the lock ins for xmas -

Just my opinion  - They do help lock in, even more noticeably on transition - awesome wheel
Please let us know how they look and feel overtime.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on December 29, 2017, 02:28:25 PM
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Got some of the lock ins for xmas -

Just my opinion  - They do help lock in, even more noticeably on transition - awesome wheel
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Please let us know how they look and feel overtime.

They hold up like any other formula four. They also don't cone that much so you don't have to worry about not being able to flip them over for a little bit. As far as helping you lock in, I definitely think it helps a little bit, especially if slipping out is an issue for you. Great wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on December 30, 2017, 01:06:03 AM
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Got some of the lock ins for xmas -

Just my opinion  - They do help lock in, even more noticeably on transition - awesome wheel
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Please let us know how they look and feel overtime.
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They hold up like any other formula four. They also don't cone that much so you don't have to worry about not being able to flip them over for a little bit. As far as helping you lock in, I definitely think it helps a little bit, especially if slipping out is an issue for you. Great wheels

I normally ride classics. Just picked-up a pair of lock-ins out of curiosity. Inside profile on them doesn't look too different from radials. I was going to try them this week, but it snowed, and temp hasn't gone above 10 degree all week (Boston). Some day...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Beeker on December 30, 2017, 08:11:18 AM
Anyone know what's up with the 99a Lock-Ins?

I was eyeing these as my next wheels, but they seem to be pretty widely unavailable at the moment.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: alraunen on December 30, 2017, 02:08:17 PM
After 2 years I'm looking for a new set of Formula 4s, best fucking wheels I ever skated in 15 years. Just noticed that they changed the colours to green/yellow on the new stock. There's any other change beside the graphic? Thanks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Willie on April 03, 2018, 06:50:48 AM
Is there a big difference between the regular Radial vs Conical? (Not Slim or Full)

Anyone ridden both?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on April 03, 2018, 07:37:24 AM
Is there a big difference between the regular Radial vs Conical? (Not Slim or Full)

Anyone ridden both?

I prefer conical over those two (lock-ins are my favorite) - seemed like there was more control in tranny parks without sacrificing slideability.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on April 03, 2018, 12:38:53 PM
I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.

Quoting myself just to show how nothing is ever set in stone. Overall I liked the conicals. But had 1 main issue with them. For the entire 6 months I was skating them; I could not do a crooked grind. It was kind of strange. Slappy crooks still worked. But ollieing into one, I would always slip right out. Or not even get into it. I got myself another set of radial slims, 99A this time. And first day set up, I'm back to crooking no problem. Had them on about a month now and I'm loving them. Flip tricks seem more flippy with the thin lighter weight wheel. Slicing through cracks may be a bit more precarious, but it seems a small price to pay. Now, it seems like it might be an issue getting another set of them. My local only carries the conical & classic. And finding them online is looking like a bit of a challenge. I don't want colored wheels or 101a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Smartass on April 03, 2018, 06:29:45 PM
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I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
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Quoting myself just to show how nothing is ever set in stone. Overall I liked the conicals. But had 1 main issue with them. For the entire 6 months I was skating them; I could not do a crooked grind. It was kind of strange. Slappy crooks still worked. But ollieing into one, I would always slip right out. Or not even get into it. I got myself another set of radial slims, 99A this time. And first day set up, I'm back to crooking no problem. Had them on about a month now and I'm loving them. Flip tricks seem more flippy with the thin lighter weight wheel. Slicing through cracks may be a bit more precarious, but it seems a small price to pay. Now, it seems like it might be an issue getting another set of them. My local only carries the conical & classic. And finding them online is looking like a bit of a challenge. I don't want colored wheels or 101a.

I would ask your local shop if they would be down to special order them for you. All my locals never have an issue doing so as long they already have an account with their distributor.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 03, 2018, 09:44:43 PM
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I guess I'm going against the grain here.
I was on a set of radial slims 52mm 101a for about 6 months or so. Overall they were great. But recently I was skating this spot where I was landing sideways in a big crack / seam. I landed bolts like 10 times and kept getting pitched because I could not roll through this crack. Right then I decided I wanted a little wider wheel next time. Also, I found that I'd be going fast and just try to carve backside and I would start sliding. Although it's kind of fun to lose control and then regain it, that is not what I want from a wheel.
So this time around, I got some conicals. 52mm, 99a. So far, I'm loving them and think I've found the perfect wheel. It's only 1.5 mm wider than the slims, so it's still skinny enough. And they still slide great for powerslides or nose/tail slides. But I'm not just losing grip out of the blue like I was with the 101's.
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Quoting myself just to show how nothing is ever set in stone. Overall I liked the conicals. But had 1 main issue with them. For the entire 6 months I was skating them; I could not do a crooked grind. It was kind of strange. Slappy crooks still worked. But ollieing into one, I would always slip right out. Or not even get into it. I got myself another set of radial slims, 99A this time. And first day set up, I'm back to crooking no problem. Had them on about a month now and I'm loving them. Flip tricks seem more flippy with the thin lighter weight wheel. Slicing through cracks may be a bit more precarious, but it seems a small price to pay. Now, it seems like it might be an issue getting another set of them. My local only carries the conical & classic. And finding them online is looking like a bit of a challenge. I don't want colored wheels or 101a.
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I would ask your local shop if they would be down to special order them for you. All my locals never have an issue doing so as long they already have an account with their distributor.

I've tried a lotta the different shapes of the f4's and i really feel the best with the classics.. Idk if the fact that most of my skate life ive ridden the classic shape between spits and other brands...but yeah i feel the most comfortable on the 99s.. got a set on my board right now and a fresh set as a backup
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: redux on April 18, 2018, 04:49:43 AM
Need F4 in Big Heads.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on April 18, 2018, 07:50:59 AM
I want a brian hansen rainbow swirl f4 (preferably lock-ins)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rob on April 21, 2018, 12:21:00 PM
Need F4 in Big Heads.


Oooo those would be nice, a 99a f4 bighead
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: maggotspawn on April 22, 2018, 12:23:35 PM
Just got some 99a 56mm Conical Full's. They were a little sticky at first, but after they got broken in they were fine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 25, 2018, 02:27:11 PM
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Need F4 in Big Heads.
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Oooo those would be nice, a 99a f4 bighead

I saw on Thiebauds instagram they're doing a classic graphic f4 with some shop, it looks really good. Maybe some of their more known wheels graphics are starting to shift over to the f4s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 25, 2018, 07:16:48 PM
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Need F4 in Big Heads.
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Oooo those would be nice, a 99a f4 bighead
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I saw on Thiebauds instagram they're doing a classic graphic f4 with some shop, it looks really good. Maybe some of their more known wheels graphics are starting to shift over to the f4s


IDK why they still make the original formula when the f4 is superior. i know a lot of the team still rides the regular 99 classic formula but i feel majority of the production should be focused on f4s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jollyoli on April 26, 2018, 03:57:04 AM
You know how fickle skateboarders are, I'm a long time spitfire guy and took me a little to get used to the different feel of the F4, they are better but feel different, some people don't like change.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 26, 2018, 04:21:05 AM
You know how fickle skateboarders are, I'm a long time spitfire guy and took me a little to get used to the different feel of the F4, they are better but feel different, some people don't like change.

haha yeah man we're over the top OCD - i loved the f1 spits before f4's came about but for regular dudes like us who pay full price buying f4's from there on out was a no brainer..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Not Local on April 26, 2018, 07:58:53 AM


IDK why they still make the original formula when the f4 is superior. i know a lot of the team still rides the regular 99 classic formula but i feel majority of the production should be focused on f4s

I think it is. But there seems to be a new push with the Classics which apparently they've reworked a bit. Lenny kindly sent me a set to try but it might be awhile as I have a relatively new set of F4 101s on the rig right now. Super curious.... as Classics in the 90s were my favorite wheel of all time (Along with OJ Freezstreets of course)
I saw on Thiebauds instagram they're doing a classic graphic f4 with some shop, it looks really good. Maybe some of their more known wheels graphics are starting to shift over to the f4s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: maggotspawn on April 26, 2018, 09:40:35 AM
Which durometer F4 for skate parks, 99a or 101a?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MaitlandPrivado on April 26, 2018, 09:54:03 AM
Which durometer F4 for skate parks, 99a or 101a?

It's all personal preference of course but I like 99s for outdoor parks in winter, indoor or slippery parks, 101s for pretty much everything else.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Not Local on April 26, 2018, 09:57:33 AM
99s unless you really love ledge dancing, if so, 100s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: calvinsdream on April 26, 2018, 10:24:55 AM
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Oooo those would be nice, a 99a f4 bighead


Those would've been the classic fulls. Same dimensions.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backinaction on April 26, 2018, 10:32:42 AM
Which durometer F4 for skate parks, 99a or 101a?

What kind of park? I prefer the 101s for the extra speed, and I get good enough grip with them.   If your park is super slippery then it may make sense to go 99s, although I almost always choose speed over grip.   99s feel better on actual pavement.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 26, 2018, 11:16:55 AM
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It's all personal preference of course but I like 99s for outdoor parks in winter, indoor or slippery parks, 101s for pretty much everything else.

This seems to be commonplace with those that ride 99s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on April 26, 2018, 11:19:10 AM
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Oooo those would be nice, a 99a f4 bighead
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Those would've been the classic fulls. Same dimensions.

Correct.

Weren't quite popular enough to justify keeping them in the line, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: maggotspawn on April 27, 2018, 11:47:06 AM
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Which durometer F4 for skate parks, 99a or 101a?
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What kind of park? I prefer the 101s for the extra speed, and I get good enough grip with them.   If your park is super slippery then it may make sense to go 99s, although I almost always choose speed over grip.   99s feel better on actual pavement.
The parks here are concrete and smooth. When I was skating them back around 2013 I was using 99a SPF's IIRC.
Though they may have been 101a. Powell seems to have changed the durometer on them now. I'll stick with the Spitfires. Loved them back in the 90's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on April 28, 2018, 09:07:57 AM
I ride 99s at my park and they are perfect. 101s are a little slippery.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: redux on May 02, 2018, 05:25:05 AM
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Oooo those would be nice, a 99a f4 bighead
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on May 02, 2018, 05:47:06 AM
I'd be interested in trying 101s toe side and 99s heel side

Has anyone mixed up duros like that before?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jollyoli on May 02, 2018, 07:07:16 AM
I'd be interested in trying 101s toe side and 99s heel side

Has anyone mixed up duros like that before?

not intentionally
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Not Local on May 04, 2018, 07:40:09 AM
I'd be interested in trying 101s toe side and 99s heel side

Has anyone mixed up duros like that before?

Are you really trying to summon some form of ancient demon?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: max power on May 04, 2018, 07:57:50 AM
I'd be interested in trying 101s toe side and 99s heel side

Has anyone mixed up duros like that before?
I heard if you run 55's in the back and 50's in the front you ollie higher.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backinaction on May 04, 2018, 09:35:29 AM
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I'd be interested in trying 101s toe side and 99s heel side

Has anyone mixed up duros like that before?
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I heard if you run 55's in the back and 50's in the front you ollie higher.

Are you Kader?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct_y1M4o8Ik
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on May 14, 2018, 03:23:10 AM
Anyone know if the regular classic spitfires are now made in USA? I bought some recently and think I got some old stock because they say they’re made in Mexico. I could have swore all spit’s were made in USA. Also, did they update their formula for the regular classics and improve them?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on May 23, 2018, 01:09:32 AM
^ as far as i know all spits are made in the US

just got these - in love with swirled wheels

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi6tS9clShq/?taken-by=imran927
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CINCINNATI on May 23, 2018, 06:02:14 AM
looking to grab a set of 56 or 58mm classic shape 99's. are they still fairly wide? ive been riding nothing but 56mm conical fulls (99 and 101) the last 3 years and am nervous that i am so used to fat wheels and the classics wont work out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jollyoli on May 23, 2018, 06:24:38 AM
Size chart here -
http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/ (http://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/)

only found a small difference going from conical / full back to classics, slid ledges a little easier and were lighter but broke traction a little earlier if throwing it into a tight pocket at speed.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: maggotspawn on May 24, 2018, 05:02:32 PM
Anybody else think the 99a F4's are a little too grippy? Haven't tried them at the park, but on asphalt and the concrete road in front of my house they barely slide at all. Might try out some 101a's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 24, 2018, 05:06:29 PM
Anybody else think the 99a F4's are a little too grippy? Haven't tried them at the park, but on asphalt and the concrete road in front of my house they barely slide at all. Might try out some 101a's.

What shape? I find them slightly on the grippy side if I'm doing blunts on ledges, but besides that, I think they're perfect (you can always wax the ledge, but you can't unwax the ground). 101s and similar wheels are too slippery when I'm bombing hills and want to slide to slow down, always feel like I'm at risk of slipping out. 99 is also more forgiving on rough ground too. I guess the only time I really want to slide on the ground is when I'm going fast down a hill, but if you want easier reverts out of 180/360 tricks on flat then 101s might make more sense.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: maggotspawn on May 24, 2018, 05:26:43 PM
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Anybody else think the 99a F4's are a little too grippy? Haven't tried them at the park, but on asphalt and the concrete road in front of my house they barely slide at all. Might try out some 101a's.
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What shape? I find them slightly on the grippy side if I'm doing blunts on ledges, but besides that, I think they're perfect (you can always wax the ledge, but you can't unwax the ground). 101s and similar wheels are too slippery when I'm bombing hills and want to slide to slow down, always feel like I'm at risk of slipping out. 99 is also more forgiving on rough ground too. I guess the only time I really want to slide on the ground is when I'm going fast down a hill, but if you want easier reverts out of 180/360 tricks on flat then 101s might make more sense.
Yeah, basically I want to slide for checking speed when going downhill. I'm running 56mm Conical Full's.
Otherwise they feel great for everything else.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 24, 2018, 06:31:50 PM
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Anybody else think the 99a F4's are a little too grippy? Haven't tried them at the park, but on asphalt and the concrete road in front of my house they barely slide at all. Might try out some 101a's.
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What shape? I find them slightly on the grippy side if I'm doing blunts on ledges, but besides that, I think they're perfect (you can always wax the ledge, but you can't unwax the ground). 101s and similar wheels are too slippery when I'm bombing hills and want to slide to slow down, always feel like I'm at risk of slipping out. 99 is also more forgiving on rough ground too. I guess the only time I really want to slide on the ground is when I'm going fast down a hill, but if you want easier reverts out of 180/360 tricks on flat then 101s might make more sense.
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Yeah, basically I want to slide for checking speed when going downhill. I'm running 56mm Conical Full's.
Otherwise they feel great for everything else.

56 conical fulls would be very grippy. If you like that size/shape, 101s would be good. If you want to stick with 99s, a thinner shape would probably be easier to slide I'm guessing
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on May 24, 2018, 07:16:21 PM
I was on 54 Classic 99a for a while and tried Conicals. I mainly skate street, I suck, and sometimes carve around parks. I'm finding them feeling not a ton different except when locking in or grinding. Would Radial Slims be a noticeable difference or compromise? I might just go back to Classics. I think I liked the 101 better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on May 24, 2018, 08:48:58 PM
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Anybody else think the 99a F4's are a little too grippy? Haven't tried them at the park, but on asphalt and the concrete road in front of my house they barely slide at all. Might try out some 101a's.
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What shape? I find them slightly on the grippy side if I'm doing blunts on ledges, but besides that, I think they're perfect (you can always wax the ledge, but you can't unwax the ground). 101s and similar wheels are too slippery when I'm bombing hills and want to slide to slow down, always feel like I'm at risk of slipping out. 99 is also more forgiving on rough ground too. I guess the only time I really want to slide on the ground is when I'm going fast down a hill, but if you want easier reverts out of 180/360 tricks on flat then 101s might make more sense.
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Yeah, basically I want to slide for checking speed when going downhill. I'm running 56mm Conical Full's.
Otherwise they feel great for everything else.
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56 conical fulls would be very grippy. If you like that size/shape, 101s would be good. If you want to stick with 99s, a thinner shape would probably be easier to slide I'm guessing

Wheel width has nothing to do with grip. Conical fulls aren't any more grippy than classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 24, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
Not so sure wheel width has nothing to do with grip. I would feel more confident taking a tight turn with wider wheels. I am running 52 mm 99a Radials and I find they slide more easily than I need them to. I am sure that the classics would provide even less traction at speed. Don’t SF hill bombers ride conical full? There has got to be a reason for this, yes?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 24, 2018, 09:11:38 PM
Wider wheels will make it a bit easier on shoddy terrain
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on May 24, 2018, 10:26:55 PM
Not so sure wheel width has nothing to do with grip. I would feel more confident taking a tight turn with wider wheels. I am running 52 mm 99a Radials and I find they slide more easily than I need them to. I am sure that the classics would provide even less traction at speed. Don’t SF hill bombers ride conical full? There has got to be a reason for this, yes?

https://youtu.be/idYX7kkRqbs

Conical fulls will wear down slower as there’s more material to wear down. Also wider wheels are better for rough terrain cuz the wideness evens the small dents in the road out better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 24, 2018, 10:39:05 PM
Don’t SF hill bombers ride conical full? There has got to be a reason for this, yes?
Not all of them, Frank's infamous switch hill bomb was done on what looked like classic shapes.
 

Wider wheels will make it a bit easier on shoddy terrain
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 25, 2018, 12:14:34 AM
Yes, the classical formula for friction does not involve surface area: F = mu, where u is the coefficient of friction. However this simple model developed by Coloumb, while accurate for classroom experiments like in that youtube video, does not factor in all the variables involved in traction in the real world. So saying wheel width has no effect on grip, or more specifically traction, may often be inaccurate.

You're not considering load sensitivity, sidewall flexing, slip angles at speed amongst other factors. It's similar to why wider tires are preferred for increased traction (especially on acceleration) for bikes and cars and stuff. Rubber and urethane, despite being different compounds, are both elastic and display many of the similar properties.

TLDR: Although friction is unrelated to surface area in controlled environments with smooth surfaces, wider wheels with larger contact patches still generally have increased traction if you control for all other variables.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 25, 2018, 02:16:34 AM
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Anybody else think the 99a F4's are a little too grippy? Haven't tried them at the park, but on asphalt and the concrete road in front of my house they barely slide at all. Might try out some 101a's.
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What shape? I find them slightly on the grippy side if I'm doing blunts on ledges, but besides that, I think they're perfect (you can always wax the ledge, but you can't unwax the ground). 101s and similar wheels are too slippery when I'm bombing hills and want to slide to slow down, always feel like I'm at risk of slipping out. 99 is also more forgiving on rough ground too. I guess the only time I really want to slide on the ground is when I'm going fast down a hill, but if you want easier reverts out of 180/360 tricks on flat then 101s might make more sense.

but thats the best feeling
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jollyoli on May 25, 2018, 02:24:16 AM

TLDR: Although friction is unrelated to surface area in controlled environments with smooth surfaces, wider wheels with larger contact patches still generally have increased traction if you control for all other variables.

Thank a non-specific deity, I was beginning to think I was on crazy pills.
Friction is not the same thing as breaking traction.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 25, 2018, 02:41:16 AM
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Anybody else think the 99a F4's are a little too grippy? Haven't tried them at the park, but on asphalt and the concrete road in front of my house they barely slide at all. Might try out some 101a's.
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What shape? I find them slightly on the grippy side if I'm doing blunts on ledges, but besides that, I think they're perfect (you can always wax the ledge, but you can't unwax the ground). 101s and similar wheels are too slippery when I'm bombing hills and want to slide to slow down, always feel like I'm at risk of slipping out. 99 is also more forgiving on rough ground too. I guess the only time I really want to slide on the ground is when I'm going fast down a hill, but if you want easier reverts out of 180/360 tricks on flat then 101s might make more sense.
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but thats the best feeling

haha, perhaps i should be more precise. 99s give you that feeling as well, but 101s for me, result in more actual slipping out. if you want that feeling, find a gnarlier hill.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: cosmicgypsies on May 25, 2018, 02:49:11 AM
i feel you i have 101a f4s was chucking powerslides down a hill last weekend and kept sliding into switch, that was a fucking scary one
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on May 25, 2018, 04:22:48 AM
I've spent the last 5 years watching my board and trucks get wider and wider while my wheels stay relatively the same.  Today I finally moved up from conical F4 to conical full F4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on May 25, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
Yes, the classical formula for friction does not involve surface area: F = mu, where u is the coefficient of friction. However this simple model developed by Coloumb, while accurate for classroom experiments like in that youtube video, does not factor in all the variables involved in traction in the real world. So saying wheel width has no effect on grip, or more specifically traction, may often be inaccurate.

You're not considering load sensitivity, sidewall flexing, slip angles at speed amongst other factors. It's similar to why wider tires are preferred for increased traction (especially on acceleration) for bikes and cars and stuff. Rubber and urethane, despite being different compounds, are both elastic and display many of the similar properties.

TLDR: Although friction is unrelated to surface area in controlled environments with smooth surfaces, wider wheels with larger contact patches still generally have increased traction if you control for all other variables.

What does load sensitivity or sidewall flexing have to do with skateboard wheels? Skateboard wheels are incredibly hard compared to car tires and the load on a skateboard is like 1/20th of the load on a car or less. And what do slip angles have to do with wheel width?


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TLDR: Although friction is unrelated to surface area in controlled environments with smooth surfaces, wider wheels with larger contact patches still generally have increased traction if you control for all other variables.
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Thank a non-specific deity, I was beginning to think I was on crazy pills.
Friction is not the same thing as breaking traction.

When you "break traction" you move from static friction to kinetic friction. They are indeed different but it's all friction nonetheless.



I've had Formula Fours in Classic, Classic Full, Radial Slim & Conical Full shapes and I could not for the life of me tell any difference between them in how they slide. Sure there are other differences but I will not believe that a narrower skateboard wheel will slide better until someone actually proves it. So far I haven't seen or experienced anything that supports that this would be the case.  :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on May 25, 2018, 01:33:44 PM
I will not believe that a narrower skateboard wheel will slide better until someone actually proves it. So far I haven't seen or experienced anything that supports that this would be the case.  :)
Remind me to never listen to this person again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 25, 2018, 02:42:47 PM
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Yes, the classical formula for friction does not involve surface area: F = mu, where u is the coefficient of friction. However this simple model developed by Coloumb, while accurate for classroom experiments like in that youtube video, does not factor in all the variables involved in traction in the real world. So saying wheel width has no effect on grip, or more specifically traction, may often be inaccurate.

You're not considering load sensitivity, sidewall flexing, slip angles at speed amongst other factors. It's similar to why wider tires are preferred for increased traction (especially on acceleration) for bikes and cars and stuff. Rubber and urethane, despite being different compounds, are both elastic and display many of the similar properties.

TLDR: Although friction is unrelated to surface area in controlled environments with smooth surfaces, wider wheels with larger contact patches still generally have increased traction if you control for all other variables.
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What does load sensitivity or sidewall flexing have to do with skateboard wheels? Skateboard wheels are incredibly hard compared to car tires and the load on a skateboard is like 1/20th of the load on a car or less. And what do slip angles have to do with wheel width?


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TLDR: Although friction is unrelated to surface area in controlled environments with smooth surfaces, wider wheels with larger contact patches still generally have increased traction if you control for all other variables.
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Thank a non-specific deity, I was beginning to think I was on crazy pills.
Friction is not the same thing as breaking traction.
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When you "break traction" you move from static friction to kinetic friction. They are indeed different but it's all friction nonetheless.

I've had Formula Fours in Classic, Classic Full, Radial Slim & Conical Full shapes and I could not for the life of me tell any difference between them in how they slide. Sure there are other differences but I will not believe that a narrower skateboard wheel will slide better until someone actually proves it. So far I haven't seen or experienced anything that supports that this would be the case.  :)

Like I said, although urethane and rubber are vastly different materials, they are both elastic and share many of the same properties. As a result, even though there is far less load and urethane is much harder, these things still apply (albeit to a significantly lesser extent).

Notice how I said may, and generally in my original post because I don't know the specifics nor do I claim to have all the answers. All I'm saying is that there are many factors in the real world that the simple area friction formula fails to consider. Take some classic slims and some conical fulls and try blunt/lip a ledge and see the difference for yourself. I'm sure most people would notice a difference even on a blind test. Even if you can't tell the difference, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I have friends who can't tell the difference between skating an 8 and an 8.25, doesn't mean the difference isn't there.
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Post by: ballintoohard on May 26, 2018, 06:06:06 PM
Anyone have opinions on Classic, Conical, and Radial Slim vs one another?
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Post by: tangar on May 26, 2018, 07:08:22 PM
Need to start readintoohard, people are literally debating that on THIS page fool.
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Post by: ballintoohard on May 26, 2018, 09:20:55 PM
Nah they're debating "sliding" with some maths and some theory, but not really gathering much info since I tend to do more than just that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 26, 2018, 09:36:39 PM
iv skated conical fulls, classics and radial slims. so not quite conicals i guess, but i found the contact patch on classics to be a tad too slim, and the conical fulls were a bit too wide for my liking. radial slims were a pretty good halfway point for me. so i'd get that and go from there depending on how you like it, and if you want something slightly wider than that, conicals are good.

edit: i find it way easier to slappy on classics, like a lot easier than on conicals or wheels with a straight edge, however the corollary to that is that classics don't lock in to ledges and round rails as well, easier to slip out of 5050s on round rails. then again im shit at slappies
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: calvinsdream on May 27, 2018, 06:33:02 AM
^ as far as i know all spits are made in the US

just got these - in love with swirled wheels

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bi6tS9clShq/?taken-by=imran927

That's odd. They're printed with 34mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: nosneb on May 27, 2018, 06:40:49 AM
That’s a 5 for sure. It really looks like a 3
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Post by: Xen on May 27, 2018, 11:13:46 AM
That’s a 5 for sure. It really looks like a 3
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SneakySecrets on June 17, 2018, 07:50:23 PM
Just got a set of the 99 duro, 52mm classics.  Am I crazy or did they recently change up the formula for formula fours? 

I have had a set of both the conical and radial slims (both 99 duro).  Those wheels had that yellowy, off-white color that I’ve always associated with formula fours. The ones I just got are noticeably whiter, almost the color of bones stf’s. 

Also, the other f4s I’ve had felt more clay-like and porous.  The ones I just got dont have that as much.

Anyone else have that experience, or am I losing my mind?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 17, 2018, 09:21:41 PM
The latest versions ive seen, the spitfire x shop wheels still have that yellow tinge to them

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkEcb99FnNL/?taken-by=grantfiero
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 18, 2018, 12:16:58 AM
damn they should just do the basic f4's with the classic swirl!

on another note been strictly riding f4's since 2013; classics, classic slim, classic wide, conical full, radial slim and radial - all 99 duro - cant beat the classics. and all other wheel production should just stop hahaha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Shuh on June 18, 2018, 10:33:59 AM
damn they should just do the basic f4's with the classic swirl!

on another note been strictly riding f4's since 2013; classics, classic slim, classic wide, conical full, radial slim and radial - all 99 duro - cant beat the classics. and all other wheel production should just stop hahaha

All right like dicaprio would say "sell me this f4 classic" why should I get classic instead of the other shapes?
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Post by: calvinsdream on June 18, 2018, 10:40:19 AM
they should just do the basic f4's with the classic swirl!

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Post by: nosneb on June 18, 2018, 10:33:06 PM
Those are deff f4s if you zoom in on the pic. But yeah they should do a bunch of classics colors in f4s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on June 18, 2018, 10:36:07 PM
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they should just do the basic f4's with the classic swirl!

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 19, 2018, 12:58:31 AM
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damn they should just do the basic f4's with the classic swirl!

on another note been strictly riding f4's since 2013; classics, classic slim, classic wide, conical full, radial slim and radial - all 99 duro - cant beat the classics. and all other wheel production should just stop hahaha
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All right like dicaprio would say "sell me this f4 classic" why should I get classic instead of the other shapes?

my thing is the classic shape is literally best all around as far as the surface space goes, the shape locks in really well onto ledges and coping and the bearing sits just right to make em spin fast compared to the radial slims/conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on June 19, 2018, 08:59:39 AM
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damn they should just do the basic f4's with the classic swirl!

on another note been strictly riding f4's since 2013; classics, classic slim, classic wide, conical full, radial slim and radial - all 99 duro - cant beat the classics. and all other wheel production should just stop hahaha
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All right like dicaprio would say "sell me this f4 classic" why should I get classic instead of the other shapes?
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my thing is the classic shape is literally best all around as far as the surface space goes, the shape locks in really well onto ledges and coping and the bearing sits just right to make em spin fast compared to the radial slims/conicals

Really? I feel like the classic locks into ledges the worst as the edge isn't as straight cut. Feel safer doing 5050s pon round rails and long 5-0s on ledges with lock ins or conicals. Also for how wide the classic is at the widest point, the contact patch is quite thin if you're skating rough ground.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on June 19, 2018, 09:14:44 AM
There is no best shape, there is only "better for."
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Post by: calvinsdream on June 19, 2018, 09:24:50 AM
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they should just do the basic f4's with the classic swirl!

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 19, 2018, 10:22:33 AM
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damn they should just do the basic f4's with the classic swirl!

on another note been strictly riding f4's since 2013; classics, classic slim, classic wide, conical full, radial slim and radial - all 99 duro - cant beat the classics. and all other wheel production should just stop hahaha
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All right like dicaprio would say "sell me this f4 classic" why should I get classic instead of the other shapes?
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my thing is the classic shape is literally best all around as far as the surface space goes, the shape locks in really well onto ledges and coping and the bearing sits just right to make em spin fast compared to the radial slims/conicals
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Really? I feel like the classic locks into ledges the worst as the edge isn't as straight cut. Feel safer doing 5050s pon round rails and long 5-0s on ledges with lock ins or conicals. Also for how wide the classic is at the widest point, the contact patch is quite thin if you're skating rough ground.



That's my biggest issue with classics, so much wheel for so little riding surface, great slappy wheel tho, rolls over anything.

It's not like the OG graphic isn't present:

(https://tshop.r10s.jp/cutback/cabinet/img32/spitf4blueclsic5.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on June 30, 2018, 07:26:16 PM
I’ve been skating the new updated formula of the classic non-F4 Spitfire’s and they may not have as much of a controllable and longer slide, but I think they’re a major improvement over how they used to be. They’ve worked perfectly fine at the park or bombing hills and I can powerslide without fear of sticking and dying. They require a tiny bit more effort to slide as opposed to the 101a F4’s which require basically no effort at all. If your local only has these classic classics in stock, give them a shot. They’re not bad at all.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 30, 2018, 07:51:35 PM
Is it only collab shop thane or perhaps the new drops of the 'pro classics'?
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Post by: nosneb on June 30, 2018, 08:03:46 PM
Im on my 3rd pair of shop collab F4s from different seasons and they are all the same.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 30, 2018, 09:40:21 PM
I’ve been skating the new updated formula of the classic non-F4 Spitfire’s and they may not have as much of a controllable and longer slide, but I think they’re a major improvement over how they used to be. They’ve worked perfectly fine at the park or bombing hills and I can powerslide without fear of sticking and dying. They require a tiny bit more effort to slide as opposed to the 101a F4’s which require basically no effort at all. If your local only has these classic classics in stock, give them a shot. They’re not bad at all.

Do they feel like classics? F4? F1?
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Post by: tangar on June 30, 2018, 10:31:40 PM
Your reading comprehension is fucking pathetic xen.
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Post by: fulfillthedream on July 01, 2018, 06:29:51 AM
Your reading comprehension is fucking pathetic xen.


he gotsa work on them observation skillz
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: boogs on July 01, 2018, 06:34:22 AM
some of the newer f4s are a lighter shade than they were previously. this may be because they're being manufactured somewhere else now, i'm not sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 01, 2018, 08:13:31 AM
Your reading comprehension is fucking pathetic xen.


I’ve been skating the new  updated formula of the classicnon-F4 Spitfire’s and they may not have as much of a controllable and longer slide, but I think they’re a major improvement over how they used to be. They’ve worked perfectly fine at the park or bombing hills and I can powerslide without fear of sticking and dying. They require a tiny bit more effort to slide as opposed to the 101a F4’s which require basically no effort at all. If your local only has these classic classics in stock, give them a shot. They’re not bad at all.

Nowhere did he specify if they felt like either wheel I mentioned, only what he thought the difference between functionality is.

All three, F1, F4 and classics feel different from one another when you ride them. That's what I was after.

For all those of who haven't skated them don't know if the improved classic is a different formula, it could feel like the old F1s, sure slide plays into feel but so does terrain, maybe they felt slower than classics or faster...they could feel like STFs (plasticky, like F1s) but again, he didn't say how they felt one way or the other.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sad Hippo on July 01, 2018, 09:52:24 AM
Did they really update the classics or have we just been on the f4 tit so long we forgot how they skated? I never had a problem with classics, I’d still rather skate them than f4s, but my local only carries f4s...
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Post by: shripshrapper on July 01, 2018, 03:02:33 PM
Oh shit. This whole time I thought F1's were the same formula as the old classics..
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Post by: Xen on July 01, 2018, 04:35:56 PM
Oh shit. This whole time I thought F1's were the same formula as the old classics..

Could be, F1 tag might just be marketing?
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Post by: Diocletian on July 02, 2018, 06:20:01 AM
Did they really update the classics or have we just been on the f4 tit so long we forgot how they skated? I never had a problem with classics, I’d still rather skate them than f4s, but my local only carries f4s...

I can’t remember where I originally saw or heard it being mentioned but I contacted deluxe for confirmation and they indeed said their regular classic formula is made in a different factory and they improved the quality. I’d say the difference between those and the 99d F4’s is trivial. The 101’s being noticeably more slippery.

I kinda like how the regular classics are more white because they don’t get piss yellow after sliding on fresh blacktop so quickly like the F4’s do.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GardenSkater77 on July 02, 2018, 08:41:45 AM
Anybody ever get down with 98a Park Burners?

They were an F1 prolly 10 years ago?

https://shop.ccs.com/spitfire-f1-park-burners-skateboard-wheels-58mm-98a-white
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 02, 2018, 07:16:57 PM
I had a set of park burners, back then they were the only conical you could get under 60mm I think, they were Trujillo pros and had them for maybe a month before I changed over to manderson sfws when they came out. Felt sluggish and didn’t slide
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 02, 2018, 08:46:05 PM
I had a set of park burners, back then they were the only conical you could get under 60mm I think, they were Trujillo pros and had them for maybe a month before I changed over to manderson sfws when they came out. Felt sluggish and didn’t slide

Rode them once, they were the skidmark colorway
(https://www.hollywood.se/images/198132/xxlarge.jpg)

They were horrible, slow, didn't slide and flatted within a week (park only); I think back then 'Park Burner' meant conical as Paco stated but that was it, regular old F1 thane.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Trashcon on July 05, 2018, 02:25:53 AM
Looking to get the lock in's anyone care to recommend them or give feedback? much appreciated.
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Post by: Firebert on July 05, 2018, 07:02:14 AM
Looking to get the lock in's anyone care to recommend them or give feedback? much appreciated.
I have both the 99 and 101 in 53mm - I love em both, it inspired me to get back to grinding round rails, but like what was said above, they lock in when skating transition too, so keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Not Local on July 05, 2018, 08:24:40 AM


Park burners and Street burners referenced the euro not the shape. Park were 98 and Street were harder. I really liked the feel of them but they did not last.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on July 05, 2018, 10:29:54 AM
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Looking to get the lock in's anyone care to recommend them or give feedback? much appreciated.
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I've had the 99A version in 55mm and currently have some 53's on my street setup. If you skate 54's I'd recommend the 53's as they're a wide wheel and the 55's felt a bit too big to me. They have a wide contact patch so if you've ridden conical fulls expect a similar feel on the streets and at the park and when flipping your board. The only difference is of course the inside edge of the wheel. I really like them when it comes to ledges, curbs and slappies because I like to hold the grind on as long as possible but didn't like them on transition so much. I like to be able to get on and off of the coping a bit easier and ended up hanging-up more often with the lock-ins so I went back to radials for my transition setup. I find myself rolling-over or slipping out of curbs and ledges a lot less so in my experience they actually do help, especially in cases when someone has put down way too much wax. I don't skate rails much anymore so I can't tell you how they fair on those. If you try them and hate them you can at least reverse them and have a conical edge on the inside which is what I did with my 55's. Hope that helps!

This basically says it all. Would like to add that they do help a lot with locking in on round rails, especially compared to classics etc, learned a whole bunch of 5050 variations on round rails that otherwise may have given me a lot more trouble. Hang up can be an issue though so keep that in mind.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Italianshredder96 on July 06, 2018, 02:36:33 PM
I'm shocked on how durable these f4s 99a conical are 54 to 52mm in 6 months, they grip way better but feel a little slower after sometime, but I wanna keep skating them till they die!
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Post by: Seduction on July 31, 2018, 12:33:02 PM
Spitfire wheels profile photo on instagram have the formula fours with the iconic classics swirl design. Hopefully this is a permanent change
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Post by: IHOP on July 31, 2018, 01:13:58 PM
Spitfire wheels profile photo on instagram have the formula fours with the iconic classics swirl design. Hopefully this is a permanent change

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl6DXO5FOYf/?hl=en&taken-by=pat.polidor
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Post by: calvinsdream on July 31, 2018, 03:00:42 PM
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Spitfire wheels profile photo on instagram have the formula fours with the iconic classics swirl design. Hopefully this is a permanent change
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https://www.instagram.com/p/Bl6DXO5FOYf/?hl=en&taken-by=pat.polidor

just nut myself
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SneakySecrets on July 31, 2018, 04:00:45 PM
^ Haha, I just thought the same thing.  Wonder what took them so long.
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Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 11, 2018, 01:22:03 AM
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_Classic_101a_Wheels/descpage-SFCL1WH.html


About time! Love my skinny STF V3s and how glassy they slide for ledges if you can get them to slide! 50% of the time they feel chalky to me. Be nice to get back on some 52 101 classics where they seemed to grip exactly when you want it too but also slide when you want you too. On streets not a park of course.
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Post by: Firebert on September 11, 2018, 01:48:51 PM
^ Haha, I just thought the same thing.  Wonder what took them so long.
I guess it was because they had a collabo with shops and wanted to give them a few months of exclusivity
(https://scontent-dfw5-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/3f09c554c684470d9a3270679491dac6/5C21190B/t51.2885-15/e35/35999254_154133468794435_5947263393982316544_n.jpg)
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Post by: sharkin on September 11, 2018, 06:30:13 PM
I’m sure he meant the five years F4s were around preceding the shop collab
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Post by: Jud Nestorkins on September 14, 2018, 03:02:11 AM
I’m sure he meant the five years F4s were around preceding the shop collab

Exactly. I just wondered why it took them so long to make a formula 4 in the classic shape with the OG classic graphic.
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Post by: Jollyoli on September 14, 2018, 03:04:51 AM
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I’m sure he meant the five years F4s were around preceding the shop collab
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Exactly. I just wondered why it took them so long to make a formula 4 in the classic shape with the OG classic graphic.

I don't want those classic, classic, classics, give me the classic, f4, classics.
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Post by: hey pickle on September 14, 2018, 05:08:35 AM
i bought the ave f4's cause they had the classic style graphic on the side. glad theyve finally done proper f4 classics
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Post by: BoxStuffer on September 14, 2018, 07:06:45 AM
Did they ever make the F4 Classic 101a in 60mm?  Or was 58mm the biggest 101a you could get? 

Last time I was at the shop they were out of F4 Classic 101a 58mm so I got the F4 Classic 99a 60mm.
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Post by: FROTHY on September 14, 2018, 08:06:36 AM
Ordered some F4 lockins (101d) 52mm. I usually ride 53 or 54, but my current wheels are looking like quarters, so I think the 52 will be just right.

Will be stepping back up to a 8.5" deck from a 8.25" and larger trucks (already broken in) when I put the wheels on. First session is gonna be marmalade on buttered rye.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on September 14, 2018, 08:22:29 AM
Did they ever make the F4 Classic 101a in 60mm?  Or was 58mm the biggest 101a you could get? 

Last time I was at the shop they were out of F4 Classic 101a 58mm so I got the F4 Classic 99a 60mm.

I don't think they ever did 101a 60mm
unless they make them now.. i haven't seen the specs on the recent releases
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Post by: SneakySecrets on September 14, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
marmalade on buttered rye.

That’s one hell of an analogy.

I keep trying to remember to use “a mouse pissing on a cotton ball” when I’m trying to describe something that is very quiet.
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Post by: FROTHY on September 14, 2018, 11:48:10 AM
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That’s one hell of an analogy.

I keep trying to remember to use “a mouse pissing on a cotton ball” when I’m trying to describe something that is very quiet.

I'll ask you how loud your girl is during intercourse in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Pigeon on September 14, 2018, 12:48:49 PM
I'm shocked on how durable these f4s 99a conical are 54 to 52mm in 6 months, they grip way better but feel a little slower after sometime, but I wanna keep skating them till they die!
Do you only skate parks and not powerslide at all? I go through 2-3 sets in 6 months.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Switch_fsflip_noseslide on September 16, 2018, 08:54:51 PM
Waiting on these kader's to come in.

(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/689_80225.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on September 17, 2018, 08:40:09 AM
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_Classic_101a_Wheels/descpage-SFCL1WH.html


(https://i.imgur.com/9dE2vNf.png)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Woodsman on October 04, 2018, 05:39:40 AM
I need new wheels and have been considering trying the lock-ins but am concerned they will mess with grind tricks where your board isn’t straight (smith, feeble, crook) can anyone who’s had a set offer some insight on that?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: burn_to_live on October 04, 2018, 07:11:16 AM
God Dammit! I could have waited to buy wheels if I knew these were coming. I just bought Spitfire Classics because I love the graphic.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on October 05, 2018, 06:21:07 AM
Been on 52s ever since my first deck until now. Decided to get 50mm F4 classics. Best wheel I’ve ever had. And 101s for sure. I like my wheels as hard as I  can get.





(https://i.postimg.cc/N0315fgT/63_AA2_DBB-_A9_E7-40_B7-96_A9-39_EF2_C06_E105.jpg)




(https://i.postimg.cc/htg4PFWj/29_D21_D68-4_B33-4_C61-870_A-_C39_F95919328.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DaSk8D00D on October 05, 2018, 08:59:54 AM
I need new wheels and have been considering trying the lock-ins but am concerned they will mess with grind tricks where your board isn’t straight (smith, feeble, crook) can anyone who’s had a set offer some insight on that?

I just got some 53mm,99duro LockIns earlier this week and had a decent lil sesh with em. They don’t mess with smiths & feebles at all on ledges or rails, but I’ve heard that they’re harder to pull out of coping or do lip tricks with
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Post by: hangontoyourego on October 05, 2018, 09:34:35 AM
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I need new wheels and have been considering trying the lock-ins but am concerned they will mess with grind tricks where your board isn’t straight (smith, feeble, crook) can anyone who’s had a set offer some insight on that?
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I just got some 53mm,99duro LockIns earlier this week and had a decent lil sesh with em. They don’t mess with smiths & feebles at all on ledges or rails, but I’ve heard that they’re harder to pull out of coping or do lip tricks with

Ok so am I the only one that didn’t know they are supposed to be skated with the swirl facing in .
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Post by: Lorn Au Arcos on October 05, 2018, 10:38:35 AM
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I need new wheels and have been considering trying the lock-ins but am concerned they will mess with grind tricks where your board isn’t straight (smith, feeble, crook) can anyone who’s had a set offer some insight on that?
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I just got some 53mm,99duro LockIns earlier this week and had a decent lil sesh with em. They don’t mess with smiths & feebles at all on ledges or rails, but I’ve heard that they’re harder to pull out of coping or do lip tricks with
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Ok so am I the only one that didn’t know they are supposed to be skated with the swirl facing in .
Have you ever seen anyone that has been skating more than 6 months have their wheels with the graphic side out?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on October 05, 2018, 10:46:37 AM
my conical fulls are graphics out because they started to cone every so slightly so i flipped them. next time i take them off to clean the bearings, im gonna scratch the rest of the graphics off cause it bugs me
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Post by: Lorn Au Arcos on October 05, 2018, 10:57:25 AM
my conical fulls are graphics out because they started to cone every so slightly so i flipped them. next time i take them off to clean the bearings, im gonna scratch the rest of the graphics off cause it bugs me

for sure, by the time i typically have to rotate/flip around most of the graphic is pretty much gone. just referring to straight putting fresh wheels on graphic side out. It is definitely pretty high on my list of pet peeves.
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Post by: BMCsteve on October 05, 2018, 11:18:02 AM
Graphics always in on a fresh set

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1933/44399929144_9987b20948_z.jpg)
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Post by: hangontoyourego on October 05, 2018, 11:37:46 AM
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I just got some 53mm,99duro LockIns earlier this week and had a decent lil sesh with em. They don’t mess with smiths & feebles at all on ledges or rails, but I’ve heard that they’re harder to pull out of coping or do lip tricks with
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Ok so am I the only one that didn’t know they are supposed to be skated with the swirl facing in .
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Have you ever seen anyone that has been skating more than 6 months have their wheels with the graphic side out?
What I was referring to is the lock-ins that they were  designed to be graphics in .
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backinaction on October 05, 2018, 12:20:25 PM

What I was referring to is the lock-ins that they were  designed to be graphics in .

Lock-Ins = graphics out.

(https://preview.redd.it/m3yn749pona01.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&s=6567fd48588f2175cc3db508e43c4209bba57ba5)
(http://www.thrashermagazine.com//mediaV2/k2/items/cache/c30f6f7320a6f7ea482524ecab98c1a1_L.jpg?t=1503348336)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IDm_xYgcX9Y/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on October 05, 2018, 02:09:17 PM
I'm with you on graphics out for lockins, STF V5's and other various conical type wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on October 05, 2018, 02:24:25 PM
I mean I'm not trying to sound like A dick, but using your lock ins the other way basically defeats the purpose.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shripshrapper on October 05, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
I was @ the dlx warehouse recently @ Elad who works there told me they were designed to be graphics in . I don’t think your being a dick but someone did enough to knock me down a number but that’s fine .

i don't believe you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hangontoyourego on October 05, 2018, 10:03:13 PM
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I was @ the dlx warehouse recently @ Elad who works there told me they were designed to be graphics in . I don’t think your being a dick but someone did enough to knock me down a number but that’s fine .
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i don't believe you

Ha ha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skateforever on October 06, 2018, 05:26:22 AM
F4 Full conical all the way. Currently 54mm. They last forever and is the perfect mix between grip and slideability.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on October 06, 2018, 08:11:50 AM
lock ins is such a stupid idea, if you want a flat sided wheel, buy radials, if you want a conical wheel, buy conicals... It's not like you're going to flip them around depending on what you skate.

What did those of you that said "they really work!" mean? How exactly did they help you lock in better than radials or conicals would have?

Also, caring about how someone else has their wheel graphic is really fucking dumb...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shripshrapper on October 06, 2018, 09:42:17 AM
If we didn't care about each others graphics, no one would follow the rules!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pauline_handsome on October 06, 2018, 10:36:41 PM
lock ins are graphics out for sure
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on October 07, 2018, 07:33:18 AM
lock ins is such a stupid idea, if you want a flat sided wheel, buy radials, if you want a conical wheel, buy conicals... It's not like you're going to flip them around depending on what you skate.

What did those of you that said "they really work!" mean? How exactly did they help you lock in better than radials or conicals would have?

Also, caring about how someone else has their wheel graphic is really fucking dumb...
lock ins have way more of a square inside edge than radials

 i've skated classics, classic slims, radial slims, conical fulls, and lock ins. believe it or not, they're all different
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on October 07, 2018, 08:28:16 AM


Also, caring about how someone else has their wheel graphic is really fucking dumb...
In this case, putting your graphics in means putting the flat side of the wheel out which is different than the conical side. But yes, wheel graphics being a factor in your purchase is pretty silly.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: NowhereInLife on October 07, 2018, 08:53:44 AM
Lock ins are more tablet on the inside, conical outside.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: full of jerks on October 07, 2018, 10:44:20 AM
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lock ins is such a stupid idea, if you want a flat sided wheel, buy radials, if you want a conical wheel, buy conicals... It's not like you're going to flip them around depending on what you skate.

What did those of you that said "they really work!" mean? How exactly did they help you lock in better than radials or conicals would have?

Also, caring about how someone else has their wheel graphic is really fucking dumb...
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lock ins have way more of a square inside edge than radials

 i've skated classics, classic slims, radial slims, conical fulls, and lock ins. believe it or not, they're all different

The Grosso spitfires out now are classic full.  Thats probably the best shape for you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: foureyedjim on October 07, 2018, 01:32:36 PM
Also, caring about how someone else has their wheel graphic is really fucking dumb...

We're skateboarders...these stupid rules are part of the culture ha ha ha....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hangontoyourego on October 07, 2018, 05:06:26 PM
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Also, caring about how someone else has their wheel graphic is really fucking dumb...
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We're skateboarders...these stupid rules are part of the culture ha ha ha....

Well said & that’s a fact
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on October 07, 2018, 06:13:52 PM
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lock ins is such a stupid idea, if you want a flat sided wheel, buy radials, if you want a conical wheel, buy conicals... It's not like you're going to flip them around depending on what you skate.

What did those of you that said "they really work!" mean? How exactly did they help you lock in better than radials or conicals would have?

Also, caring about how someone else has their wheel graphic is really fucking dumb...
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lock ins have way more of a square inside edge than radials

 i've skated classics, classic slims, radial slims, conical fulls, and lock ins. believe it or not, they're all different

Which did you like best?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on October 08, 2018, 08:00:06 AM
street - classic slims 99a

tranny - conical full 101a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on October 08, 2018, 08:44:36 AM
After trying all shapes/sizes I think my favorite is 99 classics or 101 conical full depending on the terrain.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on October 08, 2018, 08:59:29 AM
i like conical full 99s, they're perfect for street and park
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Not Local on October 08, 2018, 09:13:52 AM
Classics wear down the best. I like the ratio of contact patch to height as they get smaller, so by the time a 58mm I use on tranny  is 54 its a great street wheel that almost looks like a radial at that point.

I've had 58 classics that I've worn down to under 50mm and loved them the whole journey.

Radials are my choice if I'm buying 54s up front.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 30, 2018, 02:58:00 PM
Classic Fulls are back, thanks Grosso

http://www.spitfirewheels.com/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SneakySecrets on October 30, 2018, 04:34:09 PM
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Also, caring about how someone else has their wheel graphic is really fucking dumb...
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We're skateboarders...these stupid rules are part of the culture ha ha ha....

There’s a dude at my park that just puts his wheels on without even bothering to look at them, so there will be like 3 wheels facing in and one facing out.  Fucking insanity.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on October 30, 2018, 05:12:27 PM
I saw a clip of Reynolds back tailsliding a ledge with brand new classic 99 f4a awhile back with the graphics out, is the boss a kook?

I still want to know how lock ins "really work" better than a radial or conical depending on which way you ride them too...

Edit: forgot the graphic part
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on October 30, 2018, 05:16:10 PM
The square edge really does lock into the coping or whatever you are grinding. Noticed it on round rails for sure.
Locked up on pivot fakies too.
The outward edge looks similar to the conical full.
I don't think it's A game changer, but they do help/work.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IHOP on October 30, 2018, 08:41:16 PM
The square edge really does lock into the coping or whatever you are grinding. Noticed it on round rails for sure.
Locked up on pivot fakies too.
The outward edge looks similar to the conical full.
I don't think it's A game changer, but they do help/work.

Yea they help you lock into round rails, but any other terrain i think it locks you in too much vs. helping with stability.  I didnt like how it felt on coping or ledges.

As for the classic/f4, maybe I just like burning through wheels but I like the classics more than f4's. Once you get through that break in period they are great.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on October 31, 2018, 05:04:24 AM
Lock ins still don't "really work" better than any tablet shaped wheel, asymmetrical wheels are a gimmick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MetaldudeX on October 31, 2018, 05:25:03 AM
Lock ins still don't "really work" better than any tablet shaped wheel, asymmetrical wheels are a gimmick.


Yeah I never tried them but kinda just felt it was a bit of a gimmick. Thats why I went for some radials instead.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: calvinsdream on October 31, 2018, 10:18:55 AM
I saw a clip of Reynolds back tailsliding a ledge with brand new classic 99 f4a awhile back with the graphics out, is the boss a kook?

I still want to know how lock ins "really work" better than a radial or conical depending on which way you ride them too...

Edit: forgot the graphic part

I've seen this in some of his set up videos as well. Does he get a pass?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shripshrapper on October 31, 2018, 10:46:40 AM
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I saw a clip of Reynolds back tailsliding a ledge with brand new classic 99 f4a awhile back with the graphics out, is the boss a kook?

I still want to know how lock ins "really work" better than a radial or conical depending on which way you ride them too...

Edit: forgot the graphic part
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I've seen this in some of his set up videos as well. Does he get a pass?

The guy did a set up video putting 139s on an 8.5 and no one really said anything lol.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Vert Reynolds on November 07, 2018, 03:12:40 PM
Reynolds does 3 graphic in and 1 out on his set ups...He claims the Madness is why he does it. I know because I still copy him to the day from the Piss Drunx days of me wanting to be The Bawse
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Deekay on November 08, 2018, 01:31:42 PM
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I saw a clip of Reynolds back tailsliding a ledge with brand new classic 99 f4a awhile back with the graphics out, is the boss a kook?

I still want to know how lock ins "really work" better than a radial or conical depending on which way you ride them too...

Edit: forgot the graphic part
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I've seen this in some of his set up videos as well. Does he get a pass?
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The guy did a set up video putting 139s on an 8.5 and no one really said anything lol.

No one said anything? If I had a penny everytime I heard someone mention that Reynolds rides 139's on an 8.5, I'd be in a penthouse in Monaco sniffin coke off Mischa Bartons left tit right now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shripshrapper on November 08, 2018, 03:17:16 PM
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I saw a clip of Reynolds back tailsliding a ledge with brand new classic 99 f4a awhile back with the graphics out, is the boss a kook?

I still want to know how lock ins "really work" better than a radial or conical depending on which way you ride them too...

Edit: forgot the graphic part
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I've seen this in some of his set up videos as well. Does he get a pass?
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The guy did a set up video putting 139s on an 8.5 and no one really said anything lol.
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No one said anything? If I had a penny everytime I heard someone mention that Reynolds rides 139's on an 8.5, I'd be in a penthouse in Monaco sniffin coke off Mischa Bartons left tit right now.

Haha. Ok, I didn't hear anyone say anything about it.. Most of the people I've known have no class when it comes to their setups anyways.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on November 09, 2018, 11:51:58 AM
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I saw a clip of Reynolds back tailsliding a ledge with brand new classic 99 f4a awhile back with the graphics out, is the boss a kook?

I still want to know how lock ins "really work" better than a radial or conical depending on which way you ride them too...

Edit: forgot the graphic part
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I've seen this in some of his set up videos as well. Does he get a pass?
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The guy did a set up video putting 139s on an 8.5 and no one really said anything lol.

Greco rides 8.5s on 129s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FROTHY on November 09, 2018, 12:02:41 PM
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I saw a clip of Reynolds back tailsliding a ledge with brand new classic 99 f4a awhile back with the graphics out, is the boss a kook?

I still want to know how lock ins "really work" better than a radial or conical depending on which way you ride them too...

Edit: forgot the graphic part
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I've seen this in some of his set up videos as well. Does he get a pass?
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The guy did a set up video putting 139s on an 8.5 and no one really said anything lol.
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Greco rides 8.5s on 129s

Greco was a drag queen just for attention, then he turned his dickies into bell bottoms, then he bought real bell bottoms, then he made dress shoes with 4 toe caps, and sometimes people still listen to his opinions.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: cosmicgypsies on November 09, 2018, 02:08:52 PM
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I saw a clip of Reynolds back tailsliding a ledge with brand new classic 99 f4a awhile back with the graphics out, is the boss a kook?

I still want to know how lock ins "really work" better than a radial or conical depending on which way you ride them too...

Edit: forgot the graphic part
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I've seen this in some of his set up videos as well. Does he get a pass?
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The guy did a set up video putting 139s on an 8.5 and no one really said anything lol.
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Greco rides 8.5s on 129s

bitch what
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on November 22, 2018, 09:25:26 PM
i want some new wheels for my tranny set up

WHERE THE HECK DID THE 101A 56MM RADIALS GO??

Edit found them at warehouseskatebords
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: NowhereInLife on November 30, 2018, 06:41:06 PM
At the moment the f4 radial 53/99 is my goldilocks wheel, not too wide or thin, not too flat or round, not too big or small.  Just perfect.

Would be so sick if they do some type of check or swirl patterned radial (in 53 please).  Because i like to have my fetish objects aesthetically perfect...

before i destroy them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 24, 2018, 06:01:28 AM
Just picked up the radial slims in the 101, was debating between that and the stf v2 but was afraid the v2 would be too thin. Thankfully wheels are 30 bucks so it’s not the end of the world to try something new and not be happy
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on December 31, 2018, 09:06:21 PM
My spits have been getting shredded lol.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/14t4rnq.png)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on January 02, 2019, 08:22:49 AM
My spits have been getting shredded lol.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/14t4rnq.png)
Not really anything on the riding surface though... shouldn't affect anything
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on January 02, 2019, 10:18:36 AM
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My spits have been getting shredded lol.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/14t4rnq.png)
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Not really anything on the riding surface though... shouldn't affect anything
Yeah it’s not affecting anything.
Just funny looking, I do slappies on a 4 inch metal ramp at my local and it slices up my wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fifty8mm on January 12, 2019, 12:59:38 AM
Has anybody had a problem with the bearing "slipping" off the seat a bit on F4 Radials in 99a? Regular Radials not slims.
I constantly have to pound the bearing back in place on one of the wheels. Other than that these wheels are my favorite. I just feel my board slower and know its time to pound the bearing in.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchbs180 on January 12, 2019, 12:48:21 PM
Has anybody had a problem with the bearing "slipping" off the seat a bit on F4 Radials in 99a? Regular Radials not slims.
I constantly have to pound the bearing back in place on one of the wheels. Other than that these wheels are my favorite. I just feel my board slower and know its time to pound the bearing in.

I had that same problem, then I put some spacers in and 2 speed rings on the truck side instead of the other side. don't know if this'll work for you too though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fifty8mm on January 12, 2019, 08:00:11 PM
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Has anybody had a problem with the bearing "slipping" off the seat a bit on F4 Radials in 99a? Regular Radials not slims.
I constantly have to pound the bearing back in place on one of the wheels. Other than that these wheels are my favorite. I just feel my board slower and know its time to pound the bearing in.
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I had that same problem, then I put some spacers in and 2 speed rings on the truck side instead of the other side. don't know if this'll work for you too though.
Just did that as I was posting that yesterday, but hopefully it works.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchbs180 on January 13, 2019, 11:31:40 AM
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Has anybody had a problem with the bearing "slipping" off the seat a bit on F4 Radials in 99a? Regular Radials not slims.
I constantly have to pound the bearing back in place on one of the wheels. Other than that these wheels are my favorite. I just feel my board slower and know its time to pound the bearing in.
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I had that same problem, then I put some spacers in and 2 speed rings on the truck side instead of the other side. don't know if this'll work for you too though.
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Just did that as I was posting that yesterday, but hopefully it works.

Keep us updated mate. Maybe it helps If you clean the wheels and bearings
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LennyDLXSF on January 14, 2019, 08:45:01 AM
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Has anybody had a problem with the bearing "slipping" off the seat a bit on F4 Radials in 99a? Regular Radials not slims.
I constantly have to pound the bearing back in place on one of the wheels. Other than that these wheels are my favorite. I just feel my board slower and know its time to pound the bearing in.
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I had that same problem, then I put some spacers in and 2 speed rings on the truck side instead of the other side. don't know if this'll work for you too though.
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Just did that as I was posting that yesterday, but hopefully it works.
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Keep us updated mate. Maybe it helps If you clean the wheels and bearings

Please email me if this keeps happening.

[email protected]
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 17, 2019, 12:23:32 PM
Looks like the tablet shape might be making a comeback
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thebacker on January 17, 2019, 12:56:27 PM
shoutout the 56mm conical fulls
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on January 17, 2019, 07:06:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MMpTmlx_d.jpg?maxwidth=380&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IanBZHD on January 17, 2019, 08:51:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MMpTmlx_d.jpg?maxwidth=380&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
Anyone got dimensions for a tablet shape?
Are they more squared like the first Bones V2 or Rictas? If so, gross.

Also, can anyone compare F4's to OJ's Elite formula? Been riding spits so long I don't know what anything else feels like.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ged frall on January 18, 2019, 12:27:54 AM
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(http://i.imgur.com/MMpTmlx_d.jpg?maxwidth=380&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)
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Anyone got dimensions for a tablet shape?
Are they more squared like the first Bones V2 or Rictas? If so, gross.

Also, can anyone compare F4's to OJ's Elite formula? Been riding spits so long I don't know what anything else feels like.

just tried some oj elites - very hard (obviously), didnt enjoy how they felt. far less slide than i was expecting. tooth rattlers for sure. sold them after one roll around on them. could have broken them in some more but i cant bear to be apart from the comfort of F4 99's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thebacker on January 18, 2019, 05:04:13 AM
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Anyone got dimensions for a tablet shape?
Are they more squared like the first Bones V2 or Rictas? If so, gross.

Also, can anyone compare F4's to OJ's Elite formula? Been riding spits so long I don't know what anything else feels like.
if they are anything like insane-a-thanes then you should just keep skating spits
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: calvinsdream on January 18, 2019, 05:23:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/MMpTmlx_d.jpg?maxwidth=380&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

FUCK YES
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Chatbot on January 18, 2019, 06:13:21 AM
Been buying the 53mm Formula 4 Conicals 99d for the last 4 years now. I don't think I'll ever try anything else
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on January 20, 2019, 05:47:54 PM
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FUCK YES

I was SO close to buying bones v2 so I’m stoked to give these a try  if they come in 53
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on January 21, 2019, 08:54:55 AM
Can't wait to get my hands on those tabs in 101
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on January 21, 2019, 09:14:27 AM
Color doesn't look like F4 at all.  ???
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on January 21, 2019, 09:27:28 AM
Color doesn't look like F4 at all.  ???

Probably just a filter on the photo - like b&w
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shripshrapper on January 21, 2019, 09:58:03 AM
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Color doesn't look like F4 at all.  ???
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Probably just a filter on the photo - like b&w

My gut tells me that the old school "yellow" colour is added to the formula. They just don't bother adding it to samples.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SneakySecrets on January 21, 2019, 12:04:41 PM
I swear the last two sets of f4’s I’ve gotten have been noticably whiter than they used to be.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on January 21, 2019, 12:17:55 PM
I swear the last two sets of f4’s I’ve gotten have been noticably whiter than they used to be.
I got a set from No-Comply(54mm) that was super yellow, and a set from Humidity(52mm) that was pretty white - same formula (4) and hardness (99a) and shape (classic.) (Maybe no-comply stores the wheels closer to the window?)

The really weird thing is that the Humidity ones don't make that screech noise when you slide them and the No-Comply ones are extra screechy. I'm curious as to what exactly goes into that famous formula 4...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: baustin on January 21, 2019, 12:23:20 PM
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I swear the last two sets of f4’s I’ve gotten have been noticably whiter than they used to be.
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I got a set from No-Comply(54mm) that was super yellow, and a set from Humidity(52mm) that was pretty white - same formula (4) and hardness (99a) and shape (classic.) (Maybe no-comply stores the wheels closer to the window?)

The really weird thing is that the Humidity ones don't make that screech noise when you slide them and the No-Comply ones are extra screechy. I'm curious as to what exactly goes into that famous formula 4...

Do you have any clue to the age of each set of wheels? I've heard that wheels do tend to yellow and harden with time, though the packaging should provide some sort of protection from that I would think.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SneakySecrets on January 21, 2019, 07:52:37 PM
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I swear the last two sets of f4’s I’ve gotten have been noticably whiter than they used to be.
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I got a set from No-Comply(54mm) that was super yellow, and a set from Humidity(52mm) that was pretty white - same formula (4) and hardness (99a) and shape (classic.) (Maybe no-comply stores the wheels closer to the window?)

The really weird thing is that the Humidity ones don't make that screech noise when you slide them and the No-Comply ones are extra screechy. I'm curious as to what exactly goes into that famous formula 4...
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Do you have any clue to the age of each set of wheels? I've heard that wheels do tend to yellow and harden with time, though the packaging should provide some sort of protection from that I would think.

That’s a pretty good theory actually.  I wonder if it’s the same kind of thing that happens with old Super Nintendos.

(http://nintendotoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/yellow-snes-plastic-640x480.jpg)

Of course, I could be way off since I really don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: stets on January 21, 2019, 09:14:28 PM
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Color doesn't look like F4 at all.  ???
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Probably just a filter on the photo - like b&w
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My gut tells me that the old school "yellow" colour is added to the formula. They just don't bother adding it to samples.

Seems counter-intuitive to me. "Lets add a slight amount of yellow pigment to make our best selling wheels look old right out of the gate!" Nah, it's gotta be the natural color of the urethane formula they developed.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 21, 2019, 09:20:19 PM
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Color doesn't look like F4 at all.  ???
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Probably just a filter on the photo - like b&w
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My gut tells me that the old school "yellow" colour is added to the formula. They just don't bother adding it to samples.
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Seems counter-intuitive to me. "Lets add a slight amount of yellow pigment to make our best selling wheels look old right out of the gate!" Nah, it's gotta be the natural color of the urethane formula they developed.

Doubtful. If anything Bones add more white pigment to their wheels. Urethane is naturally a clear yellowish color from what I've heard.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: burn_to_live on January 21, 2019, 09:28:22 PM
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I swear the last two sets of f4’s I’ve gotten have been noticably whiter than they used to be.
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I got a set from No-Comply(54mm) that was super yellow, and a set from Humidity(52mm) that was pretty white - same formula (4) and hardness (99a) and shape (classic.) (Maybe no-comply stores the wheels closer to the window?)

The really weird thing is that the Humidity ones don't make that screech noise when you slide them and the No-Comply ones are extra screechy. I'm curious as to what exactly goes into that famous formula 4...
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Do you have any clue to the age of each set of wheels? I've heard that wheels do tend to yellow and harden with time, though the packaging should provide some sort of protection from that I would think.
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That’s a pretty good theory actually.  I wonder if it’s the same kind of thing that happens with old Super Nintendos.

(http://nintendotoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/yellow-snes-plastic-640x480.jpg)

Of course, I could be way off since I really don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about.
No joke, this was what I was thinking. Also, my last set of F4s was for sure more white than brown.
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Post by: Krooked antihero on January 21, 2019, 11:59:00 PM
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I swear the last two sets of f4’s I’ve gotten have been noticably whiter than they used to be.
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I got a set from No-Comply(54mm) that was super yellow, and a set from Humidity(52mm) that was pretty white - same formula (4) and hardness (99a) and shape (classic.) (Maybe no-comply stores the wheels closer to the window?)

The really weird thing is that the Humidity ones don't make that screech noise when you slide them and the No-Comply ones are extra screechy. I'm curious as to what exactly goes into that famous formula 4...
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Do you have any clue to the age of each set of wheels? I've heard that wheels do tend to yellow and harden with time, though the packaging should provide some sort of protection from that I would think.
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That’s a pretty good theory actually.  I wonder if it’s the same kind of thing that happens with old Super Nintendos.

(http://nintendotoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/yellow-snes-plastic-640x480.jpg)

Of course, I could be way off since I really don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about.
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No joke, this was what I was thinking. Also, my last set of F4s was for sure more white than brown.
Damn that US version of Super Nintendo looks funky😳 Quick look and I thought it was some view-master at first 😂
e. This is what I had as a kid
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/sJTXuQTd8-89uRiUTSEM8eP7lOw=/0x0:536x456/1200x800/filters:focal(219x116:363x260)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55449755/H2x1_NintendoClassicMiniSNES_image912w.0.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on January 22, 2019, 12:52:58 AM
that was the Japanese version with room ports for the disk drive no?
OG NES was different too!
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Post by: Krooked antihero on January 22, 2019, 03:03:21 AM
that was the Japanese version with room ports for the disk drive no?
OG NES was different too!
Nah mine was just a regular european version, fucking weird that different regions had different desings back then... They even had different controllers for us & eu versions😳
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Post by: Roisto on January 22, 2019, 04:44:51 AM
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that was the Japanese version with room ports for the disk drive no?
OG NES was different too!
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Nah mine was just a regular european version, fucking weird that different regions had different desings back then... They even had different controllers for us & eu versions😳

Was it really that small? 🤔 I never had one but a friend of mine did, so I’ve played with one a bunch. I remember it not being much smaller than the NES.
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Post by: Krooked antihero on January 22, 2019, 05:50:20 AM
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that was the Japanese version with room ports for the disk drive no?
OG NES was different too!
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Nah mine was just a regular european version, fucking weird that different regions had different desings back then... They even had different controllers for us & eu versions😳
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Was it really that small? 🤔 I never had one but a friend of mine did, so I’ve played with one a bunch. I remember it not being much smaller than the NES.
That is new mini version on that pic, OG was way bigger but design is still the same.
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Post by: Firebert on January 22, 2019, 06:57:27 AM
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I swear the last two sets of f4’s I’ve gotten have been noticably whiter than they used to be.
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I got a set from No-Comply(54mm) that was super yellow, and a set from Humidity(52mm) that was pretty white - same formula (4) and hardness (99a) and shape (classic.) (Maybe no-comply stores the wheels closer to the window?)

The really weird thing is that the Humidity ones don't make that screech noise when you slide them and the No-Comply ones are extra screechy. I'm curious as to what exactly goes into that famous formula 4...
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Do you have any clue to the age of each set of wheels? I've heard that wheels do tend to yellow and harden with time, though the packaging should provide some sort of protection from that I would think.
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That’s a pretty good theory actually.  I wonder if it’s the same kind of thing that happens with old Super Nintendos.
Of course, I could be way off since I really don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about.
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No joke, this was what I was thinking. Also, my last set of F4s was for sure more white than brown.
I think it is a combination of sunlight and age. I know that both factors change the color - didn't think that it might also affect hardness.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on January 22, 2019, 06:16:07 PM
didn't think that it might also affect hardness.

I've always maintained that older wheels harden up in storage which is why i get them ahead of time and leave them in my spare parts box, i've gotten so used to the aged yellow it doesnt bother me anymore
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I swear the last two sets of f4’s I’ve gotten have been noticably whiter than they used to be.
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I got a set from No-Comply(54mm) that was super yellow, and a set from Humidity(52mm) that was pretty white - same formula (4) and hardness (99a) and shape (classic.) (Maybe no-comply stores the wheels closer to the window?)

The really weird thing is that the Humidity ones don't make that screech noise when you slide them and the No-Comply ones are extra screechy. I'm curious as to what exactly goes into that famous formula 4...
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Do you have any clue to the age of each set of wheels? I've heard that wheels do tend to yellow and harden with time, though the packaging should provide some sort of protection from that I would think.
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That’s a pretty good theory actually.  I wonder if it’s the same kind of thing that happens with old Super Nintendos.

(http://nintendotoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/yellow-snes-plastic-640x480.jpg)

Of course, I could be way off since I really don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about.
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No joke, this was what I was thinking. Also, my last set of F4s was for sure more white than brown.
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Damn that US version of Super Nintendo looks funky😳 Quick look and I thought it was some view-master at first 😂
e. This is what I had as a kid
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/sJTXuQTd8-89uRiUTSEM8eP7lOw=/0x0:536x456/1200x800/filters:focal(219x116:363x260)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55449755/H2x1_NintendoClassicMiniSNES_image912w.0.jpg)

The people at Nintendo of America thought that the super famicon design was too "soft" to compete with edgy sega who was crushing it. They decided on the sharp purple brick. The 90s were rad.

Hydrogen peroxide will restore the color to the SNES. Not sure if it'll work on skateboard wheels, I'm not a chemist.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on February 18, 2019, 05:50:26 AM
So a trick I do a lot is 5050 front board but I wonder if the lock ins would make that tough.
Like twould be so locked in, when I turn, the board wouldn't turn like I want?
Does anyone know if that would in face be the case If I got lock ins?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MalHuis on February 18, 2019, 07:18:41 AM
So a trick I do a lot is 5050 front board but I wonder if the lock ins would make that tough.
Like twould be so locked in, when I turn, the board wouldn't turn like I want?
Does anyone know if that would in face be the case If I got lock ins?

Bro, no it wont be a problem. Might need to pop/shifty ever so slightly harder. Lock ins tend to lock in a bit more but not to the point where you'll lose tricks because it locks in to much.

Damn could swear that I've slipped out more with lock ins than classics but thats just my skating not the wheels. Performs just like any wheel but if you are stalling a 50 and momentum allows you to rest in at the correct angle on the wheel it will hold a bit more than a classic.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on April 03, 2019, 02:41:11 PM
Im on a new set of 99 conical

I made a mental list and realized I haven’t skated the same size/shape/duro more than once over 8 sets in 5 yrs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TooManyPros on April 03, 2019, 03:31:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/MMpTmlx_d.jpg?maxwidth=380&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)

Much excite.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 03, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
haha i'll probably by a set of the tablets only to realized for the millionth time that the classics are the best shape for me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on April 03, 2019, 08:45:25 PM
All urethane is that brownish (natural) color.  White pigment  has to be added to the mix to make the wheel white.

They offer their wheels in white or the natural brownish color (along with the swirls and other colors).

I thought this had been covered before.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on April 03, 2019, 09:52:54 PM
The reason SNES turned brown like that is because of the bromine in the chemical mixture of the plastic for the case being too high on certain batches. Bromine in that usage is a flame retardant and is added to hot running plastic stuff to lower the chance that it could catch fire. I remembered there was a really specific reason why a lot of them turned brown but I had to look it up again for this post. Dork facts out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TooManyPros on April 04, 2019, 11:09:58 AM
The reason SNES turned brown like that is because of the bromine in the chemical mixture of the plastic for the case being too high on certain batches. Bromine in that usage is a flame retardant and is added to hot running plastic stuff to lower the chance that it could catch fire. I remembered there was a really specific reason why a lot of them turned brown but I had to look it up again for this post. Dork facts out.

Truth!

https://www.tested.com/tech/2505-why-your-old-super-nintendo-looks-super-yellow/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 10, 2019, 07:03:00 AM
All urethane is that brownish (natural) color.  White pigment  has to be added to the mix to make the wheel white.

They offer their wheels in white or the natural brownish color (along with the swirls and other colors).

I thought this had been covered before.
wow never knew that thanks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on April 10, 2019, 07:06:44 AM
haha i'll probably by a set of the tablets only to realized for the millionth time that the classics are the best shape for me

there was never a truer statement
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 11, 2019, 10:42:04 AM
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haha i'll probably by a set of the tablets only to realized for the millionth time that the classics are the best shape for me
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there was never a truer statement
The classics are absolutely amazing. However, I find that I can slide better on radial slims.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2019, 10:49:29 AM
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haha i'll probably by a set of the tablets only to realized for the millionth time that the classics are the best shape for me
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there was never a truer statement

For some a less rounded edge more than likely helps their [mental] ledge/rail game?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 11, 2019, 11:37:11 AM
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haha i'll probably by a set of the tablets only to realized for the millionth time that the classics are the best shape for me
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there was never a truer statement
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For some a less rounded edge more than likely helps their [mental] ledge/rail game?
Im assuming that it helps them because its easier for them to slip out on a rounder edge so I guess a flatter one helps lock it in better? (example: lock ins)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2019, 12:29:59 PM
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haha i'll probably by a set of the tablets only to realized for the millionth time that the classics are the best shape for me
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there was never a truer statement
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For some a less rounded edge more than likely helps their [mental] ledge/rail game?
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Im assuming that it helps them because its easier for them to slip out on a rounder edge so I guess a flatter one helps lock it in better? (example: lock ins)

I've skate angled iron with bones V2s and it was super easy to lockin (yeah, like lockins I suppose, he;; that's the logic in their new naming conventions anyway) but that was a regular thing at a DIY so it made sense? If I know I'm hitting regular street often, which means I'm slappy'ng for the forseeable future I always go rounded edge. Radial slims kinda give you the best of both. Riding Bones V1s and having no issues on coping or ledges (not skating bars or rails lately).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on April 12, 2019, 04:07:31 PM
anyone know the width of the "OG classics" they're making now?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Rocko on April 12, 2019, 05:42:52 PM
Been skating the 99 classic shape for the past couple days, before that I’ve been skating the 101 classics since the F4 came out. I’m liking them so far
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dustwardprez on April 12, 2019, 05:58:46 PM
My last 2 sets of conical full ground down to nearly a lock in shape over time anyways. Maybe spit decided to bring back the flat inner wall “lock in shape” because it’s naturally how conicals become on sharp ledges?

I do know they have a massive contact patch and they ride pretty smoothly over fucked up ground. that’s nice.
 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 13, 2019, 10:23:05 AM
anyone know the width of the "OG classics" they're making now?
We will soon
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on April 13, 2019, 01:26:19 PM
All the shapes are rad

Glad classic fulls made their way back in— almost got those over some radials, and classic slims were so tiny and light I loved em
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Olabade on April 18, 2019, 10:36:53 AM
Ive been riding f4 radial slims for a while now but recently set up f1 mike Anderson wides and they feel so nice. Since they are kinda hard to find what would be the closest shape to those in f4?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TooManyPros on April 18, 2019, 10:41:08 AM
Ive been riding f4 radial slims for a while now but recently set up f1 mike Anderson wides and they feel so nice. Since they are kinda hard to find what would be the closest shape to those in f4?

Cheers.

Lockins? Conical Fulls?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on April 19, 2019, 11:03:51 AM
Ive been riding f4 radial slims for a while now but recently set up f1 mike Anderson wides and they feel so nice. Since they are kinda hard to find what would be the closest shape to those in f4?

Cheers.
Conical full maybe?
My radial slims just felt really slow for me even with good bearings.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on April 19, 2019, 11:20:11 AM
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Ive been riding f4 radial slims for a while now but recently set up f1 mike Anderson wides and they feel so nice. Since they are kinda hard to find what would be the closest shape to those in f4?

Cheers.
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Conical full maybe?
My radial slims just felt really slow for me even with good bearings.

Do explain, I was considering stopping on the way home at my local to grab some radial slims.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Decreed Bratton on April 19, 2019, 11:24:44 AM
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Ive been riding f4 radial slims for a while now but recently set up f1 mike Anderson wides and they feel so nice. Since they are kinda hard to find what would be the closest shape to those in f4?

Cheers.
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Conical full maybe?
My radial slims just felt really slow for me even with good bearings.
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Do explain, I was considering stopping on the way home at my local to grab some radial slims.

Probably has to do with surface area.  With conical fulls, the more surface area or wheels on the ground, the faster you go.  Slims not as much.
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Post by: arrbee on April 19, 2019, 11:38:42 AM
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Ive been riding f4 radial slims for a while now but recently set up f1 mike Anderson wides and they feel so nice. Since they are kinda hard to find what would be the closest shape to those in f4?

Cheers.
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Conical full maybe?
My radial slims just felt really slow for me even with good bearings.
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Do explain, I was considering stopping on the way home at my local to grab some radial slims.
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Probably has to do with surface area.  With conical fulls, the more surface area or wheels on the ground, the faster you go.  Slims not as much.

I'm running conical f4's right now and my issue is rotating the board such as 360 flips or pop shuvs. the scoop feels off with the wider wheels. I typically ride the classic shape but seeing something a little thinner intrigued me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on April 19, 2019, 11:44:08 AM
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Ive been riding f4 radial slims for a while now but recently set up f1 mike Anderson wides and they feel so nice. Since they are kinda hard to find what would be the closest shape to those in f4?

Cheers.
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Conical full maybe?
My radial slims just felt really slow for me even with good bearings.
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Do explain, I was considering stopping on the way home at my local to grab some radial slims.
Well they were 99s and colored; I feel like colored wheels tend to feel a little slower and a little softer.
Idk why exactly tho, I’ve skated most of the F4 shapes and those were just sluggish.
When I switched the bearings back to a new set of conical fulls and the speed felt better again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on April 19, 2019, 11:56:08 AM
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Ive been riding f4 radial slims for a while now but recently set up f1 mike Anderson wides and they feel so nice. Since they are kinda hard to find what would be the closest shape to those in f4?

Cheers.
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Conical full maybe?
My radial slims just felt really slow for me even with good bearings.
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Do explain, I was considering stopping on the way home at my local to grab some radial slims.
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Well they were 99s and colored; I feel like colored wheels tend to feel a little slower and a little softer.
Idk why exactly tho, I’ve skated most of the F4 shapes and those were just sluggish.
When I switched the bearings back to a new set of conical fulls and the speed felt better again.

Thanks for the reply, I do agree about colored wheels. Something about them feels cheap or inferior. Might still give them a shot, worst case a kid at the park will get some slightly used wheels and I'll move on with my life.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on April 19, 2019, 12:16:50 PM
Damn, radial slims are my favourite shape. Anything with a thinner contact patch like classics doesn't handle rough terrain well enough, and anything with a wider contact patch feels a bit clumsy for certain tricks. The cut is perfect too, great for locking in. They're pretty hard to come by nowadays too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: papo on April 19, 2019, 01:09:24 PM
Ive been riding conical full and have noticed how much harder it is to do powerslides with these. I liked them but i still wonder if i should try some new shit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bumpovertrash on April 19, 2019, 01:53:34 PM
radial slims for the win
im riding a set of pigs now and there actually pretty great
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: papo on April 19, 2019, 02:18:44 PM
Im on a new set of 99 conical

I made a mental list and realized I haven’t skated the same size/shape/duro more than once over 8 sets in 5 yrs

Please elaborate. Give us a quick rundown on that your experience was with these wheels. Thx
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Rocko on April 22, 2019, 10:58:38 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwkScN-F-Jj/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1goszdh4v32cu
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Post by: Xen on April 22, 2019, 11:40:04 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwkScN-F-Jj/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1goszdh4v32cu

Stoked!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on April 22, 2019, 12:42:17 PM
spitfire really has the formula down..
I buy wheels and two weeks later they put out a new shape I want more


curious to see the measurements vs conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on April 22, 2019, 01:06:39 PM
spitfire really has the formula down..
I buy wheels and two weeks later they put out a new shape I want more


curious to see the measurements vs conicals

FYI:

Radial slim:  52mm, 30 width, 18.5 riding surface 
Conical: 52mm, 31.5 width, 19.5 riding surface
Conical Full: 52mm, 32.5 width, 21.5 riding surface
Tablet: 52mm, 29mm width, 22.5 riding surface

Tablets will have the widest riding surface and the slimmest profile.  Cannot wait for them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on April 22, 2019, 01:37:01 PM
Tablets will have the widest riding surface and the slimmest profile.  Cannot wait for them
Yep, that's what I figured based on the picture of 51s

guess that'll be my next set
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 22, 2019, 01:57:52 PM
Was just looking at radial slims today. They look nice af in person. Hyped on square f4's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TooManyPros on April 22, 2019, 02:02:04 PM
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spitfire really has the formula down..
I buy wheels and two weeks later they put out a new shape I want more


curious to see the measurements vs conicals
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FYI:

Radial slim:  52mm, 30 width, 18.5 riding surface 
Conical: 52mm, 31.5 width, 19.5 riding surface
Conical Full: 52mm, 32.5 width, 21.5 riding surface
Tablet: 52mm, 29mm width, 22.5 riding surface

Tablets will have the widest riding surface and the slimmest profile.  Cannot wait for them

Fuck yes! My next wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: honey island on April 22, 2019, 03:59:29 PM
the tablet's can't come out quick enough
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on April 22, 2019, 05:48:35 PM
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spitfire really has the formula down..
I buy wheels and two weeks later they put out a new shape I want more


curious to see the measurements vs conicals
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FYI:

Radial slim:  52mm, 30 width, 18.5 riding surface 
Conical: 52mm, 31.5 width, 19.5 riding surface
Conical Full: 52mm, 32.5 width, 21.5 riding surface
Tablet: 52mm, 29mm width, 22.5 riding surface

Tablets will have the widest riding surface and the slimmest profile.  Cannot wait for them

I’m guessing 54mm, 31mm wise, 24 surface or close to that?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rob on April 23, 2019, 04:53:34 AM
Not trying to offend the spitfire fans butttt...

The tablets look exactly like the same shape as a bones v2

Exactly
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on April 23, 2019, 05:08:19 AM
Not trying to offend the spitfire fans butttt...

The tablets look exactly like the same shape as a bones v2

Exactly

Much wider riding surface on the tablets.  V2 in 52mm has a riding surface of 16mm (same as spit classics)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 23, 2019, 05:55:58 AM
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Cheers.
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Conical full maybe?
My radial slims just felt really slow for me even with good bearings.
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Do explain, I was considering stopping on the way home at my local to grab some radial slims.
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Probably has to do with surface area.  With conical fulls, the more surface area or wheels on the ground, the faster you go.  Slims not as much.
Slims have a pretty wide surface area though. Im running them and they really aren't that slow. You sure you were using the right size? The riding area is nearly as big as a conical so I dont see why yours are slow. BTW if you wanna buy slims get them in 99a no 101a
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Post by: papo on April 23, 2019, 07:49:55 AM
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Cheers.
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Conical full maybe?
My radial slims just felt really slow for me even with good bearings.
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Do explain, I was considering stopping on the way home at my local to grab some radial slims.
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Probably has to do with surface area.  With conical fulls, the more surface area or wheels on the ground, the faster you go.  Slims not as much.
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Slims have a pretty wide surface area though. Im running them and they really aren't that slow. You sure you were using the right size? The riding area is nearly as big as a conical so I dont see why yours are slow. BTW if you wanna buy slims get them in 99a no 101a

Hey, whats wrong with the 101a? Just curious
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on April 23, 2019, 07:53:01 AM
Not trying to offend the spitfire fans butttt...

The tablets look exactly like the same shape as a bones v2

Exactly

Some of us really love that shape of wheel but prefer spits... so this is exactly what I've been waiting for. Classic fulls and Tablets like the good ol days. :D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 23, 2019, 10:43:48 AM
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Cheers.
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Conical full maybe?
My radial slims just felt really slow for me even with good bearings.
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Do explain, I was considering stopping on the way home at my local to grab some radial slims.
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Probably has to do with surface area.  With conical fulls, the more surface area or wheels on the ground, the faster you go.  Slims not as much.
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Slims have a pretty wide surface area though. Im running them and they really aren't that slow. You sure you were using the right size? The riding area is nearly as big as a conical so I dont see why yours are slow. BTW if you wanna buy slims get them in 99a no 101a
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Hey, whats wrong with the 101a? Just curious
Nothings wrong with 101a, its all personal preference. However, most people that I know that have used spitfires (especially radial slims including me) find that 99a slides a little better and has just slightly better rebound. Im not gonna stop you if you want 101a but im just giving you my advice.
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Post by: Firebert on April 23, 2019, 01:09:55 PM
99a slides a little better
no
99a has just slightly better rebound
yes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: B0udoir on April 23, 2019, 03:23:05 PM
I would not say that 99a slide "better", but that they are less slippery and force you to fully commit into your slide, giving you the feeling that you have more control and that it is "better".
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rob on April 23, 2019, 03:27:49 PM
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Not trying to offend the spitfire fans butttt...

The tablets look exactly like the same shape as a bones v2

Exactly
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Some of us really love that shape of wheel but prefer spits... so this is exactly what I've been waiting for. Classic fulls and Tablets like the good ol days. :D

I love the shape too, it really does help you lock into 50-50 and 5-0 and I like how they’re almost like classics when they’ve been ridden til they’re square but new
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Post by: johnes on April 23, 2019, 04:59:29 PM
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99a slides a little better
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99a has just slightly better rebound
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yes

99s slide the best/easiest for me personally.
I have had at least 7 sets of F4 99s and 3 of the F4 101s.
I have a new set of 101s I’m gonna skate eventually
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on April 24, 2019, 11:10:13 AM
Any idea on a release date for the tablets? I need some new wheels and those look nice.
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Post by: papo on April 24, 2019, 12:15:38 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BwkScN-F-Jj/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1goszdh4v32cu
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Stoked!

Is there a release date yet? I hope these shits drop soon..I wanted to get the radial slim but these look fuego - while we at it, Can you really feel the difference between 99 and 101 hardness?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bigbevev on April 24, 2019, 01:04:37 PM
i feel jipped i bought lock ins
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GasTheHostage on April 25, 2019, 05:50:22 AM
I would not say that 99a slide "better", but that they are less slippery and force you to fully commit into your slide, giving you the feeling that you have more control and that it is "better".
Yeah im sorry if you misunder stood that i shoulda worded it better. Yeah 99a is less slippery but honestly between that and 101a its not too much of a difference. However, I do have a little more control on 99a wheels and they also have a little better rebound. Sorry about that
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Post by: LennyDLXSF on April 26, 2019, 01:12:21 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BwkScN-F-Jj/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1goszdh4v32cu
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Stoked!
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Is there a release date yet? I hope these shits drop soon..I wanted to get the radial slim but these look fuego - while we at it, Can you really feel the difference between 99 and 101 hardness?

We are currently giving samples to team riders, and affiliates, with general production starting early May!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on April 27, 2019, 01:25:56 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwkScN-F-Jj/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1goszdh4v32cu

they look amazing
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on April 27, 2019, 10:37:30 AM
The flat side of those and the lock ins look kinda bad/weird to me personally but I’ve tried every F4 shape except lock ins so idk maybe I’ll try those sometime.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: B0udoir on April 27, 2019, 10:45:39 AM
They look so thin, I wonder if there is enough room to put a spacer between the bearings.
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Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 27, 2019, 03:15:22 PM
They look so thin, I wonder if there is enough room to put a spacer between the bearings.

There will be, 100%

They don't change stuff like that
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: papo on April 29, 2019, 11:51:48 PM
Dimensions for the F4 Tablet:

52s have 20mm riding surface
53s have 21mm riding surface

I only asked for these two sizes Höhöhö

Update: shipping this week- doesn’t say the duro tho

(https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw5A1G3FGg0/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=cwk7p38ht31i)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: papo on April 30, 2019, 03:35:16 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw5A1G3FGg0/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=psrn7cmg2ju0
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SadandLonely on April 30, 2019, 03:37:48 PM
Can anyone describe the classic formula? I want to skate them or should I just stick with F4?
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Post by: talklessSkateMore on April 30, 2019, 05:30:19 PM
Can anyone describe the classic formula? I want to skate them or should I just stick with F4?

*pretty shitty description but the best thing I can think of is that classics feel less dense and they wear down fast.. Not really thinking about my wheels, just enjoying damaging my tail, shrinking wheels and wearing away at my truck hangers slowly over time.

I liked mine 52mm when they were new for asphalt and sidewalks. Went to the park for a few hours now I'm a dirtbike with flatspots in my 2 toeside wheels.

Imo, go 56mm or bigger classics if you want to rip through them.. Otherwise stick with f4 in your normal size to get your money's worth and stay with the "superior" offering.
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Post by: SadandLonely on April 30, 2019, 05:57:34 PM
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Can anyone describe the classic formula? I want to skate them or should I just stick with F4?
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*pretty shitty description but the best thing I can think of is that classics feel less dense and they wear down fast.. Not really thinking about my wheels, just enjoying damaging my tail, shrinking wheels and wearing away at my truck hangers slowly over time.

I liked mine 52mm when they were new for asphalt and sidewalks. Went to the park for a few hours now I'm a dirtbike with flatspots in my 2 toeside wheels.

Imo, go 56mm or bigger classics if you want to rip through them.. Otherwise stick with f4 in your normal size to get your money's worth and stay with the "superior" offering.
thank you...
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Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on May 01, 2019, 02:06:02 AM
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Can anyone describe the classic formula? I want to skate them or should I just stick with F4?
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*pretty shitty description but the best thing I can think of is that classics feel less dense and they wear down fast.. Not really thinking about my wheels, just enjoying damaging my tail, shrinking wheels and wearing away at my truck hangers slowly over time.

I liked mine 52mm when they were new for asphalt and sidewalks. Went to the park for a few hours now I'm a dirtbike with flatspots in my 2 toeside wheels.

Imo, go 56mm or bigger classics if you want to rip through them.. Otherwise stick with f4 in your normal size to get your money's worth and stay with the "superior" offering.
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thank you...

I find they break into a slide more gradually/ progressively/ predictably? and this inspires confidence on super slick new parks and doing speed checks on hill bombs. They do wear down fast but there’s always a compromise.
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Post by: SadandLonely on May 01, 2019, 08:02:40 AM
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Can anyone describe the classic formula? I want to skate them or should I just stick with F4?
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*pretty shitty description but the best thing I can think of is that classics feel less dense and they wear down fast.. Not really thinking about my wheels, just enjoying damaging my tail, shrinking wheels and wearing away at my truck hangers slowly over time.

I liked mine 52mm when they were new for asphalt and sidewalks. Went to the park for a few hours now I'm a dirtbike with flatspots in my 2 toeside wheels.

Imo, go 56mm or bigger classics if you want to rip through them.. Otherwise stick with f4 in your normal size to get your money's worth and stay with the "superior" offering.
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thank you...
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I find they break into a slide more gradually/ progressively/ predictably? and this inspires confidence on super slick new parks and doing speed checks on hill bombs. They do wear down fast but there’s always a compromise.
yeah they do wear down fast...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on May 01, 2019, 08:31:38 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw5A1G3FGg0/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=psrn7cmg2ju0
I really hope they screen this graphic on them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Rocko on May 04, 2019, 08:32:50 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxEIseUFia-/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=6n1ei72ea52x

Another good view of the tablets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 04, 2019, 09:01:20 PM
I thought the F1’s had sick graphics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FROTHY on May 04, 2019, 10:20:22 PM
Today I switched out my F4s for a pair of classic formula Lance Mountain 59mm wheels. I was mainly skating around on concrete ground and a red curb. They felt pretty perfect for the occasion. They felt better than F4s, which I've held as the absolute best skate wheel for a while. I suppose the situation determines the optimal wheel.
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Post by: Dr Hfuhruhurr on May 04, 2019, 11:22:51 PM
I’ve had more flatspot issues with the classic formula so now I only fuck with F4.
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Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 05, 2019, 08:06:16 AM
Today I switched out my F4s for a pair of classic formula Lance Mountain 59mm wheels. I was mainly skating around on concrete ground and a red curb. They felt pretty perfect for the occasion. They felt better than F4s, which I've held as the absolute best skate wheel for a while. I suppose the situation determines the optimal wheel.
im thinking about skating classics next.
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Post by: Beeker on May 05, 2019, 10:33:31 AM
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Today I switched out my F4s for a pair of classic formula Lance Mountain 59mm wheels. I was mainly skating around on concrete ground and a red curb. They felt pretty perfect for the occasion. They felt better than F4s, which I've held as the absolute best skate wheel for a while. I suppose the situation determines the optimal wheel.
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im thinking about skating classics next.

Same, do the new OG classics have the issue where it's hard as hell to get the bearings in and out...anyone?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: talklessSkateMore on May 05, 2019, 12:29:11 PM
mine didn't
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 05, 2019, 12:55:06 PM
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Today I switched out my F4s for a pair of classic formula Lance Mountain 59mm wheels. I was mainly skating around on concrete ground and a red curb. They felt pretty perfect for the occasion. They felt better than F4s, which I've held as the absolute best skate wheel for a while. I suppose the situation determines the optimal wheel.
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im thinking about skating classics next.
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Same, do the new OG classics have the issue where it's hard as hell to get the bearings in and out...anyone?
the week after next I’ll get them!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Chatbot on May 20, 2019, 04:06:49 PM
s it just me or did they change the shape of the F4 full conicals? Could’ve sworn they were more squared but the ones I just bought have rounded edges. Kinda bummed
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Post by: arrbee on May 20, 2019, 04:51:28 PM
s it just me or did they change the shape of the F4 full conicals? Could’ve sworn they were more squared but the ones I just bought have rounded edges. Kinda bummed

Mis labeled radials?
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Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 20, 2019, 06:18:03 PM
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s it just me or did they change the shape of the F4 full conicals? Could’ve sworn they were more squared but the ones I just bought have rounded edges. Kinda bummed
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Mis labeled radials?
I have to agree. I’ve seen some conical fulls that are super square and some with a rounded edge.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: afoct5 on May 21, 2019, 12:40:32 AM
For those wanting to see a direct comparison of the Tablets with two other common shapes.

Top: 54mm Classic
Second From Top: 54mm Tablet
Third From Top: 55mm Tablet
Bottom: 54mm Conical Full

(https://i.imgur.com/FyFdu6O.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/foeEhqc.jpg)
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Post by: moonordie on May 21, 2019, 01:02:20 AM
For those wanting to see a direct comparison of the Tablets with two other common shapes.

Top: 54mm Classic
Second From Top: 54mm Tablet
Third From Top: 55mm Tablet
Bottom: 54mm Conical Full

(https://i.imgur.com/FyFdu6O.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/foeEhqc.jpg)
I shocked regarding the difference between 54 and 55 tablets, sure look like a damn lot
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Post by: afoct5 on May 21, 2019, 01:36:05 AM
I shocked regarding the difference between 54 and 55 tablets, sure look like a damn lot

It's really noticeable! They're slightly larger than some Acid Wheel 55's I have, they look closer to 56mm.
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Post by: Dad you're embarrassing me on May 22, 2019, 01:58:04 AM
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I shocked regarding the difference between 54 and 55 tablets, sure look like a damn lot
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It's really noticeable! They're slightly larger than some Acid Wheel 55's I have, they look closer to 56mm.

Buy 55’s, get the 56th millimeter for free!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: afoct5 on May 22, 2019, 01:54:09 PM
Buy 55’s, get the 56th millimeter for free!

Basically! They also seem rushed. One of the 54's has a huge air pocket right on the edge of where the contact patch starts to round off and one of the 55's has this weird glob of extra urethane in the core making it impossible to seat the bearing in all the way. I returned both sets and sent photos to Reed.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: nosneb on May 22, 2019, 05:51:27 PM
I just got the 52mm tablets so far they are great. Faster than I expected them to roll. Always loved riding Classics and Conicals but always found the conicals too heavy and wide for me. Finally a square wheel thats as wide as classics!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 22, 2019, 10:07:34 PM
Anyone here tried bleaching a set of f4s? I’ve found an old set lost in a closet and they’re yellow as Andy Roy’s old teeth. Thinking bleach might brighten them up a bit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gaunting on May 22, 2019, 10:46:32 PM
Anyone here tried bleaching a set of f4s? I’ve found an old set lost in a closet and they’re yellow as Andy Roy’s old teeth. Thinking bleach might brighten them up a bit

everyone always talks about the off white color. but I swear, out of the last 4 sets of wheels I’ve had (all f4) only my most recent set of conicals were the off white color. all the previous sets of f4’s have been as white as possible.
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Post by: Paco Supreme on May 22, 2019, 10:54:38 PM
These have sat for a long while, at least a year. In comparison to a brand new set of glow in the dark classics these are quite yellow.
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Post by: FROTHY on May 23, 2019, 08:12:03 AM
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everyone always talks about the off white color. but I swear, out of the last 4 sets of wheels I’ve had (all f4) only my most recent set of conicals were the off white color. all the previous sets of f4’s have been as white as possible.

What I do is put a wheel in my mouth and then fire up one of these:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMxkH3FJ-j9tAQfbeepJa_MBjMKAlTzwQQ3IXGq-hqDUuoutqK9-XOD7jCeTDOFiQoQ0rM6IgtbRkjJKG74BVQFcNcKvhAHsD6VdS-f1OnkFETQ5yqCk3n&usqp=CAE)
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Post by: Xen on May 23, 2019, 09:57:29 AM
Thanks OP!

Would love to see a side-by-side of the Tablets | Radial Slims
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SpankerChief on May 25, 2019, 12:03:53 PM
For those wanting to see a direct comparison of the Tablets with two other common shapes.

Top: 54mm Classic
Second From Top: 54mm Tablet
Third From Top: 55mm Tablet
Bottom: 54mm Conical Full

(https://i.imgur.com/FyFdu6O.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/foeEhqc.jpg)
how do the tablet compare to the lockins? I am genuinely curious
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on May 28, 2019, 09:04:56 AM
how do the tablet compare to the lockins? I am genuinely curious
The Tablet shape is like having the inside edge of a lock-in on both sides.
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Post by: fulfillthedream on May 28, 2019, 09:13:16 AM
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Anyone here tried bleaching a set of f4s? I’ve found an old set lost in a closet and they’re yellow as Andy Roy’s old teeth. Thinking bleach might brighten them up a bit
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everyone always talks about the off white color. but I swear, out of the last 4 sets of wheels I’ve had (all f4) only my most recent set of conicals were the off white color. all the previous sets of f4’s have been as white as possible.
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What I do is put a wheel in my mouth and then fire up one of these:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMxkH3FJ-j9tAQfbeepJa_MBjMKAlTzwQQ3IXGq-hqDUuoutqK9-XOD7jCeTDOFiQoQ0rM6IgtbRkjJKG74BVQFcNcKvhAHsD6VdS-f1OnkFETQ5yqCk3n&usqp=CAE)

rit dyed some f4's;

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnXSqGdlWC4/
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Post by: Roisto on May 28, 2019, 12:06:05 PM
Seems that the color really seeped in properly! Looks great! 👍
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Post by: full of jerks on May 28, 2019, 01:04:04 PM

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rit dyed some f4's;

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Black Dye made the wheels Blue?
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Post by: arrbee on May 28, 2019, 02:09:17 PM


rit dyed some f4's;

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Black Dye made the wheels Blue?
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Looks like they may have blended some colors, there are 3 boxes there
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Post by: fulfillthedream on May 28, 2019, 07:14:02 PM
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rit dyed some f4's;


Black Dye made the wheels Blue?
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Looks like they may have blended some colors, there are 3 boxes there
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haha nah its royal blue - i tossed the original box and left the boxes for reference.
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Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 28, 2019, 07:55:07 PM
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rit dyed some f4's;

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Black Dye made the wheels Blue?

Looks like they may have blended some colors, there are 3 boxes there
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haha nah its royal blue - i tossed the original box and left the boxes for reference.
[/quote]how do you dye your wheels? Navs does it
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Post by: fulfillthedream on May 28, 2019, 10:27:43 PM
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rit dyed some f4's;

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Black Dye made the wheels Blue?
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Looks like they may have blended some colors, there are 3 boxes there

haha nah its royal blue - i tossed the original box and left the boxes for reference.
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Man i hit him up on IG and messaged him - basically make a little dye thing out of a container and leave it in for 2-3 weeks
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Post by: cricketclub on May 29, 2019, 05:08:55 AM
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everyone always talks about the off white color. but I swear, out of the last 4 sets of wheels I’ve had (all f4) only my most recent set of conicals were the off white color. all the previous sets of f4’s have been as white as possible.
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What I do is put a wheel in my mouth and then fire up one of these:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcRMxkH3FJ-j9tAQfbeepJa_MBjMKAlTzwQQ3IXGq-hqDUuoutqK9-XOD7jCeTDOFiQoQ0rM6IgtbRkjJKG74BVQFcNcKvhAHsD6VdS-f1OnkFETQ5yqCk3n&usqp=CAE)
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rit dyed some f4's;

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnXSqGdlWC4/

Fucking beautiful.
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Post by: aciddrop on May 30, 2019, 11:42:56 AM
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rit dyed some f4's;

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Black Dye made the wheels Blue?

Looks like they may have blended some colors, there are 3 boxes there
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haha nah its royal blue - i tossed the original box and left the boxes for reference.
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how long you let them sit? just room temp?
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Post by: SirPizzaSlayer on May 30, 2019, 09:15:37 PM
I’m dyeing my 58mm Conical Fulls as a test. Then I’m gonna dye my 53’s next if this works out.
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Post by: fulfillthedream on May 30, 2019, 09:53:22 PM
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Black Dye made the wheels Blue?
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haha nah its royal blue - i tossed the original box and left the boxes for reference.
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yeah room temp water for 2 weeks - id suggest longer than 2 because these wore out faster than the ones i did before that were 3-4 weeks. its really fun
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on June 04, 2019, 09:50:07 AM
Anecdotal tablet review- I have them in 52 99a. They feel faster than a 53 or 54 Classic, about the same if not slightly faster than a 53 Conical, and weigh less than both (51g/wheel vs ~60 for the others).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on June 10, 2019, 11:34:09 AM
I thought I was tough and bought 56 mm conical fulls, 99s.  No hills but rough ground. How long till these things are at least like....54’s? Monster truck over here. They haven’t really been wearing down, which speaks to the quality. They def roll over whatever. Board feels heavvvvvy
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Powerlesspillars on June 10, 2019, 12:17:11 PM
You'll get use to it
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SpankerChief on June 10, 2019, 12:22:16 PM
My last 2 sets of conical full ground down to nearly a lock in shape over time anyways. Maybe spit decided to bring back the flat inner wall “lock in shape” because it’s naturally how conicals become on sharp ledges?

I do know they have a massive contact patch and they ride pretty smoothly over fucked up ground. that’s nice.
that'd be a neato idea for a spitfire classic the Crass-cketball as the image on the otherside Jesus died for his sins not mine in their font or a mock spitfire/crass collab, I'd buy it for sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smg1138 on July 01, 2019, 12:17:33 PM
Anybody know which Spitfire F4 has the same shape as Bones STF V4? I want to try some F4 99a urethane, but that's pretty much my favorite all around wheel shape. I'm thinking either the Classic Full or Radial, but they seem hard to find.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on July 01, 2019, 12:27:24 PM
When do those Andrew Allen ones come out
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Post by: bbk on July 01, 2019, 12:56:11 PM
Anybody know which Spitfire F4 has the same shape as Bones STF V4? I want to try some F4 99a urethane, but that's pretty much my favorite all around wheel shape. I'm thinking either the Classic Full or Radial, but they seem hard to find.
yeah, either of those really. Radials shouldn't be hard, and they've had some recent grosso classic fulls.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on July 02, 2019, 06:05:19 AM
When do those Andrew Allen ones come out

They're hitting shops now
https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=99197
https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=99198

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 02, 2019, 02:38:27 PM
Classic Fulls coming back around, smallest being 54mm

https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=99196 (https://socalskateshop.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=99196)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: coneklr on July 24, 2019, 09:00:17 PM
How do the conical full's skate compared to the classic?  Contemplating picking up that set in the classifieds but they seem wide af
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: imuseless on July 24, 2019, 11:04:36 PM
^Smoother on rough ground and locks in to grinds. Some says classics flip better but I can't feel much difference.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on July 25, 2019, 11:22:01 AM
How do the conical full's skate compared to the classic?  Contemplating picking up that set in the classifieds but they seem wide af
Conical fulls feel really glued to the ground. You'll mash over rough ground & cracks easier than the classics.
Cons, board feels heavier. Especially on flip tricks, with all that extra weight towards the edge of the board.
Slappies & pool coping feel better with the classics, imo.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: coneklr on July 26, 2019, 11:10:49 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys!  I picked them up, we’ll see how it works out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on July 26, 2019, 04:16:14 PM
So I have 2 sets of formula fours, both conical full 99a but one set is 54mm and the other is 56mm. Both are worn in pretty good and my 56s powerslide with bark on smooth concrete. I just switched to my 54s and I cant get these to bark for shit. Every time I try to powerslide or revert it's very silent and glidey and really throws off my boardfeel. Anybody have any ideas on what could be the issue?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SkinSideDown on July 26, 2019, 05:46:06 PM
52mm 101a F4 Classics best wheels kiddos stop wasting your time and money on anything else.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Reese on July 26, 2019, 06:04:55 PM
So I have 2 sets of formula fours, both conical full 99a but one set is 54mm and the other is 56mm. Both are worn in pretty good and my 56s powerslide with bark on smooth concrete. I just switched to my 54s and I cant get these to bark for shit. Every time I try to powerslide or revert it's very silent and glidey and really throws off my boardfeel. Anybody have any ideas on what could be the issue?

Did you let the dogs out?

The tend to bark more if you don't fill the water bowl
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 26, 2019, 07:13:40 PM
So I have 2 sets of formula fours, both conical full 99a but one set is 54mm and the other is 56mm. Both are worn in pretty good and my 56s powerslide with bark on smooth concrete. I just switched to my 54s and I cant get these to bark for shit. Every time I try to powerslide or revert it's very silent and glidey and really throws off my boardfeel. Anybody have any ideas on what could be the issue?

Did one of your wheels tighten up? That's happened to me a few times. New bearings?

I don't think it's just spits tho. I've been riding bones and it happened to me the other day at a park, out of nowhere it was just a silent, no barking at all, wheels still had play and everything. Perhaps is due to riding through something and getting a coating on the wheels?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on July 26, 2019, 09:24:18 PM
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So I have 2 sets of formula fours, both conical full 99a but one set is 54mm and the other is 56mm. Both are worn in pretty good and my 56s powerslide with bark on smooth concrete. I just switched to my 54s and I cant get these to bark for shit. Every time I try to powerslide or revert it's very silent and glidey and really throws off my boardfeel. Anybody have any ideas on what could be the issue?
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Did one of your wheels tighten up? That's happened to me a few times. New bearings?

I don't think it's just spits tho. I've been riding bones and it happened to me the other day at a park, out of nowhere it was just a silent, no barking at all, wheels still had play and everything. Perhaps is due to riding through something and getting a coating on the wheels?


The wheels have some play and I'm on an old set of reds. I gave my wheels a cleaning and still is silent. I don't have an explanation but I have a feeling it might be my trucks? This is happening on my Ace 44s that I dont use often, but one time I did set up some STFs on these and the same thing happened, silent glidey slides. I just had these wheels on an older set of 55s and they were sliding normally. I'm so confused right now lol. Gonna throw these on my 55s to make sure I'm not crazy, will report back...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on July 26, 2019, 09:29:27 PM
So I have 2 sets of formula fours, both conical full 99a but one set is 54mm and the other is 56mm. Both are worn in pretty good and my 56s powerslide with bark on smooth concrete. I just switched to my 54s and I cant get these to bark for shit. Every time I try to powerslide or revert it's very silent and glidey and really throws off my boardfeel. Anybody have any ideas on what could be the issue?

I was once comparing my F4 101s to my F4 99s and was really thrown off at the difference. The 101s were dirty as fuck from skating an indoor park for months. They were kinda sticky and didn’t have a bark at all. The 99s were brand new and felt kinda oily and barked like mad. Absolutely ridiculous bark just doing casual low speed reverts. Once the 99s wore in the bark settled down a bit and the slide felt more normal and also the 101s started making sounds and not feeling so sticky after I slid them excessively to clean them up.

Sounds different to your situation but I guess my point is to give it a while and slide them around to get them to feel like they should.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on July 30, 2019, 02:37:56 PM
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So I have 2 sets of formula fours, both conical full 99a but one set is 54mm and the other is 56mm. Both are worn in pretty good and my 56s powerslide with bark on smooth concrete. I just switched to my 54s and I cant get these to bark for shit. Every time I try to powerslide or revert it's very silent and glidey and really throws off my boardfeel. Anybody have any ideas on what could be the issue?
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Did one of your wheels tighten up? That's happened to me a few times. New bearings?

I don't think it's just spits tho. I've been riding bones and it happened to me the other day at a park, out of nowhere it was just a silent, no barking at all, wheels still had play and everything. Perhaps is due to riding through something and getting a coating on the wheels?
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The wheels have some play and I'm on an old set of reds. I gave my wheels a cleaning and still is silent. I don't have an explanation but I have a feeling it might be my trucks? This is happening on my Ace 44s that I dont use often, but one time I did set up some STFs on these and the same thing happened, silent glidey slides. I just had these wheels on an older set of 55s and they were sliding normally. I'm so confused right now lol. Gonna throw these on my 55s to make sure I'm not crazy, will report back...


Alright so I think I can safely say my issue is not with my wheels, but with my trucks. I took my 54 & 56 99a F4's as well as my 52 STF's and tested them all out on both my pairs of trucks (44's and 55's). None of the wheels would bark on the 44's. Yet all of them barked on the 55's.... Still no fucking clue what this means but guess I'll be talking to Ace customer support.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on July 30, 2019, 07:45:03 PM
Could be something to do with spreading the load wider on 55s? I don't know. Stop testing equipment and start skating it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HeavyMental on July 30, 2019, 08:58:47 PM
Could be something to do with spreading the load wider on 55s? I don't know. Stop testing equipment and start skating it.

Lol
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tarquin on August 01, 2019, 08:21:05 AM
Anyone skating the Tablets, with them being straight cut and on the skinny side, will having the axle sticking out so much fuck up any tricks like slappies? Just set some up but haven't had a chance to skate them yet and the axle nuts are more exposed than the conical fulls I just took off. I don't want to have to re-thread my axles after every skate.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on August 01, 2019, 08:58:48 AM
Anyone skating the Tablets, with them being straight cut and on the skinny side, will having the axle sticking out so much fuck up any tricks like slappies? Just set some up but haven't had a chance to skate them yet and the axle nuts are more exposed than the conical fulls I just took off. I also don't want to have to re-thread my axles after every skate.
Actually yes. But I was using 149s on an 8.25, so there was a little bit more sticking out of the sides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ChasingCars on August 06, 2019, 07:36:05 PM
Anyone skating the Tablets, with them being straight cut and on the skinny side, will having the axle sticking out so much fuck up any tricks like slappies? Just set some up but haven't had a chance to skate them yet and the axle nuts are more exposed than the conical fulls I just took off. I don't want to have to re-thread my axles after every skate.

I have been skating them for a couple of weeks. I haven't found too much I don't like about them other than they are heavy but I run 56's so they will be better once I ride them for awhile. They seem to lock in pretty well and I have not had issues with basic ledge and slappy grinds. They shine on transition though with a much more stable ride. Can't say much about their speed as I am still breaking in new Zealous Bearings. I would buy them again but probably the 52's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lukabrazi on August 07, 2019, 11:12:45 AM
been skating 53mm F4 101's the past two weeks at my local skatepark. Absolutely perfect wheel so far for me. I had been riding Bones STF for a few years, and those felt like garbage compared to these. I am sold 100%.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on August 07, 2019, 11:39:18 AM
been skating 53mm F4 101's the past two weeks at my local skatepark. Absolutely perfect wheel so far for me. I had been riding Bones STF for a few years, and those felt like garbage compared to these. I am sold 100%.

I legit weighed them and my 52's were lighter than any Spitfire 53 I had, but by 2-3g/wheel at most.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 1xz5h on August 10, 2019, 12:37:32 PM
Newb here.

Posted in the setup thread not too long ago and decided I'm going to get two different board sizes: an 8 and 8.5 and I'm thinking 52/54 F4s, respectively. Now which specific model I have no idea.

Considering radial slims, radials, conicals, or conical full. Tablets? Don't want to go any bigger than 54mm on the 8.5 b/c of wheel bite potential. I'll be riding 149 Indy standards on both decks fwiw and I'm on the heavier side. Do you think I should go 52mm on both? Most people seem to like the 51-53 range.

Read pretty much the entire thread back from like page 40 or so and I still have no idea what wheels to pick. Looking for an "all-around" terrain wheel I guess. Plan on riding fairly safe flat and maybe some at the local park.

I'm now just getting back into skating after a *long* hiatus so I'm rusty, which is an understatement. Initially won't be doing anything crazy at all, ie acclimating to the feel of the board again, working on pushing comfortably, carving, etc.

Considering all of that, if you *had* to pick one model of the Spit F4s, what would you recommend? I'm leaning towards conical full but not 100% sure. I remember someone mentioning the absolute middle ground is a 54mm F4 conical non-full.

Appreciate any input!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Reese on August 10, 2019, 12:51:27 PM
99a F4 52 classic
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 10, 2019, 03:16:16 PM
If in doubt go with the classics. If you're a newb I'd go 54mm. Its fun to roll.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 1xz5h on August 10, 2019, 03:54:11 PM
If in doubt go with the classics. If you're a newb I'd go 54mm. Its fun to roll.

Thanks for the replies. I think I'm going to go with 52mm on both decks, one Classic F4s, and the other F4 Conical Fulls to see if there's any significant difference for me. Leery about 54s tbh 'cause of wheel bite as I'm on the heavier side (180 lbs)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smg1138 on August 10, 2019, 04:30:17 PM
What are the main differences between Formula 4 99a and 101a? I mean obviously one is harder than the other, but I mean practically speaking, how do they differ? For example, is 99a better on indoor Skatelite and 101a better for concrete parks? I skated Bones STF's for years, but they're pretty much like ice on Skatelite. And for anything other than reasonably smooth cement, they're way too hard and rough.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tangar on August 10, 2019, 04:31:27 PM
I think keeping the wheel size the same is smart. I like regular conicals a lot. After a while the conical fulls felt almost too grippy. Make sure you come back and tell us your thoughts on them after a few sessions.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 1xz5h on August 10, 2019, 04:55:27 PM
I think keeping the wheel size the same is smart. I like regular conicals a lot. After a while the conical fulls felt almost too grippy. Make sure you come back and tell us your thoughts on them after a few sessions.

Agreed on keeping it apples to apples on the size plus I really don't want to go any higher than 52 considering my weight. Also, every where I looked (online or at my shop) the stock was all 52mm-heavy. Figured it's basically the standard size for most (happy medium between the 51-53 range people seem to like here). Both will be 99s too. Will def report back even though I'm a super novice. My feet might not be able to even discern the difference.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 10, 2019, 05:37:33 PM
What are the main differences between Formula 4 99a and 101a? I mean obviously one is harder than the other, but I mean practically speaking, how do they differ? For example, is 99a better on indoor Skatelite and 101a better for concrete parks? I skated Bones STF's for years, but they're pretty much like ice on Skatelite. And for anything other than reasonably smooth cement, they're way too hard and rough.
The 101’s feel faster to me and slide easier. The 99’s feel smoother and more controllable. Can’t go wrong with both. Might stick with 99’s from now on.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on August 10, 2019, 06:50:46 PM
I’ve had 52mm conical fulls and 52mm classics
you’ll definitely notice a difference

101 are good for smooth concrete parks but 99 for everything else
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 1xz5h on August 10, 2019, 06:59:20 PM
I’ve had 52mm conical fulls and 52mm classics

If pressed, your favorite b/w the two?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on August 10, 2019, 07:08:15 PM
classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 10, 2019, 08:04:44 PM
Classics will actually give you less wheel bite due to the way they taper and I really like the way they wear down. Its just a good all round shape for everything. Width to height is proportioned great on classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 10, 2019, 08:11:26 PM
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If in doubt go with the classics. If you're a newb I'd go 54mm. Its fun to roll.
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Thanks for the replies. I think I'm going to go with 52mm on both decks, one Classic F4s, and the other F4 Conical Fulls to see if there's any significant difference for me. Leery about 54s tbh 'cause of wheel bite as I'm on the heavier side (180 lbs)

OI'm 200 libs and never ride anything smaller than 54mm for what its worth. If you are new to skateboarding, you won't be getting much wheel bite anyway. I think you'll enjoy a slightly bigger wheel when learning and they will last longer. 54mm calling you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 1xz5h on August 10, 2019, 08:14:38 PM
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If in doubt go with the classics. If you're a newb I'd go 54mm. Its fun to roll.
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Thanks for the replies. I think I'm going to go with 52mm on both decks, one Classic F4s, and the other F4 Conical Fulls to see if there's any significant difference for me. Leery about 54s tbh 'cause of wheel bite as I'm on the heavier side (180 lbs)
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OI'm 200 libs and never ride anything smaller than 54mm for what its worth. If you are new to skateboarding, you won't be getting much wheel bite anyway. I think you'll enjoy a slightly bigger wheel when learning and they will last longer. 54mm calling you.

52s already on the way...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 10, 2019, 08:15:06 PM
it is but 54mm with 149s. you'll be just fine. you won't be jumping down huge shit just yet.

but to your question, a more square shaped wider wheel will give more wheel bite than a skinnier rounded wheel. think about how the wheel meets the deck. more surface to hit with wider/ squared off wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 10, 2019, 08:15:47 PM
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If in doubt go with the classics. If you're a newb I'd go 54mm. Its fun to roll.
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Thanks for the replies. I think I'm going to go with 52mm on both decks, one Classic F4s, and the other F4 Conical Fulls to see if there's any significant difference for me. Leery about 54s tbh 'cause of wheel bite as I'm on the heavier side (180 lbs)
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OI'm 200 libs and never ride anything smaller than 54mm for what its worth. If you are new to skateboarding, you won't be getting much wheel bite anyway. I think you'll enjoy a slightly bigger wheel when learning and they will last longer. 54mm calling you.
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Shit. 52s already on the way...

its all good. enjoy what you got. you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 1xz5h on August 10, 2019, 08:19:22 PM
it is but 54mm with 149s. you'll be just fine. you won't be jumping down huge shit just yet.

but to your question, a more square shaped wider wheel will give more wheel bite than a skinnier rounded wheel. think about how the wheel meets the deck. more surface to hit with wider/ squared off wheels.

So Spit F4 Classics 99a all the way?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 10, 2019, 08:26:01 PM
its all personal preference. different shapes lock onto curbs, ledges and coping in different ways. some people like a wheel that 'locks on.' some shapes will break into and hold slides longer. some shapes will feel better on different surfaces. there is a lot to explore but I think 99a Classics are a great all rounder to start on. You're stoked.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Weezil on August 11, 2019, 01:04:12 AM
I like conical fulls on shitty brick streets and rough terrain. Was surprised how the 52s hold it down on brick. I don't like classics on brick but love them for everything else. Always get hyped on the way the classics look though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sativa Lung on August 11, 2019, 03:19:40 PM
I like conical fulls on shitty brick streets and rough terrain. Was surprised how the 52s hold it down on brick. I don't like classics on brick but love them for everything else. Always get hyped on the way the classics look though.

I skated classics for a long time but I picked up some conical fulls and I don't know if I'll go back. 54mm conicals handle the rough stuff on my commute (lots of cracks and uneven sidewalk blocks) better than the 56mm classics did and seem just as fast on the smooth streets. Some jagoff put a bunch of oak trees over the bike lanes so there's a bunch of acorns and I just bomb right through and crush them with the conicals and I haven't gotten bodied by a rock yet but now that I said that I can almost guarantee it'll happen tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 11, 2019, 03:35:18 PM
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I like conical fulls on shitty brick streets and rough terrain. Was surprised how the 52s hold it down on brick. I don't like classics on brick but love them for everything else. Always get hyped on the way the classics look though.
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I skated classics for a long time but I picked up some conical fulls and I don't know if I'll go back. 54mm conicals handle the rough stuff on my commute (lots of cracks and uneven sidewalk blocks) better than the 56mm classics did and seem just as fast on the smooth streets. Some jagoff put a bunch of oak trees over the bike lanes so there's a bunch of acorns and I just bomb right through and crush them with the conicals and I haven't gotten bodied by a rock yet but now that I said that I can almost guarantee it'll happen tomorrow.
hey buttfart, should I get conicals or fulls. I’ve skated both but where I’m debating on getting 52 Louie’s or 56 fulls. Or 55 oski radials. I really wanna support Louie. But the ground where I live is rough so I’m debating. Help.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: os89 on August 11, 2019, 05:17:58 PM
After trying STFs (v2s), bones 100s, and spit classics, I'm back to F4s. The classics were fine but wore really quick. Not bad at all, but F4s for the win.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on August 12, 2019, 08:45:41 AM
are non f4's still absolute dog shit? I like the shape, size and price of these.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_OG_Classic_Wheels/descpage-SFOGCWH.html
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: feedmeseymour on August 12, 2019, 08:59:39 AM
are non f4's still absolute dog shit? I like the shape, size and price of these.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_OG_Classic_Wheels/descpage-SFOGCWH.html

yes, if you do any sort of power slide and weigh more than 100 pounds youll just end up wasting your money and buying f4's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jtrpma on August 12, 2019, 09:06:17 AM
the classic ogs look super nice but are line classics in extra heavy and sticky.

to me they feel like mini cubes, like hard cruiser wheels. weird things

if you want what the spitfire hype is about f4 is the way to go.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on August 12, 2019, 11:22:14 PM
are non f4's still absolute dog shit? I like the shape, size and price of these.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_OG_Classic_Wheels/descpage-SFOGCWH.html
Yes sir, still absolute canine fecal matter.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on August 13, 2019, 04:51:38 AM
are non f4's still absolute dog shit? I like the shape, size and price of these.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_OG_Classic_Wheels/descpage-SFOGCWH.html

I rode those in 60mm and they were fine. They slide well, keep speed and are durable. Not quite as good as f4’s but for the price they are good. Not sure how they would compare in smaller sizes though. I rode the 60mm in those and later rode 58mm f4 conical fulls and the differences in performance weren’t huge, though the 60mm wheels were wider and seemed slightly more squared.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JollyOli on August 14, 2019, 06:29:44 AM
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are non f4's still absolute dog shit? I like the shape, size and price of these.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_OG_Classic_Wheels/descpage-SFOGCWH.html
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yes, if you do any sort of power slide and weigh more than 100 pounds youll just end up wasting your money and buying f4's

I wanted to try a different shape and size and didn't want to splash on F4's as it was probably an extension of my truck madness. Rode them for a bit and they are OK, but when your comparison is what is widely regarded as the best all round functioning wheel available you're backing the wrong horse. Just get the F4's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 14, 2019, 09:36:43 AM
I got some classics (non F4) for last winter. I liked them. They were slower and grippier but that's what I wanted for slick indoor spots. They wear down faster also but some people swear by them. I do a lot of slides and they did not flat spot out on me. I'm guessing they can flat spot a lot easier than f4s. I have some OG shaped ones for this upcoming winter...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on August 14, 2019, 12:15:21 PM
are non f4's still absolute dog shit? I like the shape, size and price of these.
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_OG_Classic_Wheels/descpage-SFOGCWH.html

I think the classics are a little better than fine. Yeah, they wear down pretty quick, but once they're broken in I like them a lot. I have a lot of setup's, some with f4 some classic. All good for diff shit/work well with diff board setup's in my mind at least. If you powerslide in them new you're going to get flatspots, but after they break in they're much better at resisting.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: franquietits on August 14, 2019, 03:36:41 PM
Ben had a video addressing the classics. He basically concludes that they're inferior to the 4's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhg1xKDXLW0

Dear ben, I luuv uuu!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ThugWaffle on August 18, 2019, 12:43:12 PM
How slick are the 101a's? I skated 99a's before and they were fine. I wanna try 101's but don't want to be slipping everywhere.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 18, 2019, 12:52:47 PM
Slick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Analisi on August 19, 2019, 08:39:19 PM
Anyone have experience with the Classic Fulls? I'm debating between the 56mm and 58mm. They seem versatile, do they wear down well? I imagine they'll look more like radials when they wear down.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: AssFea on August 19, 2019, 08:56:37 PM
Anyone have experience with the Classic Fulls? I'm debating between the 56mm and 58mm. They seem versatile, do they wear down well? I imagine they'll look more like radials when they wear down.

Im pretty sure that shape was discontinued when the tablets came back. I could be wrong though
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 19, 2019, 09:00:42 PM
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Anyone have experience with the Classic Fulls? I'm debating between the 56mm and 58mm. They seem versatile, do they wear down well? I imagine they'll look more like radials when they wear down.
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Im pretty sure that shape was discontinued when the tablets came back. I could be wrong though
they've been discontinued for awhile. I’m skating a pair right now. I’d say they feel a lot like a conical full. It’s like if you mixed a classic and a conical full. They feel really good when you’re rolling, like they feel stable. If I were you I’d just get conical fulls at that point or classics. They discontinued them for a reason. Their not amazing but their not bad.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Analisi on August 19, 2019, 09:12:30 PM
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Anyone have experience with the Classic Fulls? I'm debating between the 56mm and 58mm. They seem versatile, do they wear down well? I imagine they'll look more like radials when they wear down.
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Im pretty sure that shape was discontinued when the tablets came back. I could be wrong though
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they've been discontinued for awhile. I’m skating a pair right now. I’d say they feel a lot like a conical full. It’s like if you mixed a classic and a conical full. They feel really good when you’re rolling, like they feel stable. If I were you I’d just get conical fulls at that point or classics. They discontinued them for a reason. Their not amazing but their not bad.

Thanks for the input. I've ridden the conical fulls and while I think they feel great, I felt they wore down to be too wide/square for my taste. There's some Lance Mountains that just came out, and beside them looking sick with the one colored wheel, I've been curious about them.

Nollie, what mm do you ride?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on August 19, 2019, 10:52:48 PM
I have an old set of 54 mm classic fulls that I’ve skated a bunch but aren’t done yet. I think they’re nice wheels. If you like the classic shape and want a little wider wheel to handle rough spots a lil better and your wheels to wear down slower, they’re nice wheels. I much prefer them over classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on August 20, 2019, 11:41:26 AM
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Anyone have experience with the Classic Fulls? I'm debating between the 56mm and 58mm. They seem versatile, do they wear down well? I imagine they'll look more like radials when they wear down.
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Im pretty sure that shape was discontinued when the tablets came back. I could be wrong though
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they've been discontinued for awhile. I’m skating a pair right now. I’d say they feel a lot like a conical full. It’s like if you mixed a classic and a conical full. They feel really good when you’re rolling, like they feel stable. If I were you I’d just get conical fulls at that point or classics. They discontinued them for a reason. Their not amazing but their not bad.
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Thanks for the input. I've ridden the conical fulls and while I think they feel great, I felt they wore down to be too wide/square for my taste. There's some Lance Mountains that just came out, and beside them looking sick with the one colored wheel, I've been curious about them.

Nollie, what mm do you ride?
depends, right now I’m on 54 might hop down to a 52
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ThugWaffle on August 20, 2019, 12:06:52 PM
Slick.

good looks! thanks
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Post by: Serious Tea Drinker on August 23, 2019, 05:41:09 PM
Slick in a good way though. 360 slides with ease...
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Post by: ThugWaffle on August 24, 2019, 09:37:17 AM
Slick in a good way though. 360 slides with ease...


What worries me missing the edge of a ledge trick and just slipping into oblivion and eating shit. Inclined to try them though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Torre on August 24, 2019, 10:09:45 AM
What I noticed about Formula Fours is that they are considerably softer than their Bones counterpart. The Spitfires that have 101a durometer are similar to, or even softer than Bones Easy Streets 99a. You can tell because the Spitfire F4 101a’s are considerably smoother over rough patches than your average 101a wheel or even your average 99a durometer wheel. And the spitfires, IMHO, seem to soften over time.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: velvethammer on September 01, 2019, 06:22:23 PM
What is going on with the Andrew Allen wheels?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: saltusnaut on September 02, 2019, 12:37:04 AM
What is going on with the Andrew Allen wheels?

They roll?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: velvethammer on September 02, 2019, 02:19:08 AM

I can’t find a set of 55’s anywhere. Are they sold out for good? Or is Spitfire going to produce some more?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchbs180 on September 02, 2019, 12:53:56 PM
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If in doubt go with the classics. If you're a newb I'd go 54mm. Its fun to roll.
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Thanks for the replies. I think I'm going to go with 52mm on both decks, one Classic F4s, and the other F4 Conical Fulls to see if there's any significant difference for me. Leery about 54s tbh 'cause of wheel bite as I'm on the heavier side (180 lbs)

I weigh about the same as you. I always ride 54 mm spits. My last set were radials which are still nice, when I retire these I will set up some F4 classics. Never had problems with wheelbites, if you still worry about them, you could also wax your wheel marks. And I would recommend a bit of stretching before and after every session.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: whenyousleep on September 03, 2019, 11:20:17 AM

I can’t find a set of 55’s anywhere. Are they sold out for good? Or is Spitfire going to produce some more?

I'm skating the new shape, the tablets, in 55mm rn. Maybe look into those?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on September 03, 2019, 12:07:08 PM
I've skated the 99s for a while now but the set i was running was below 50mm so I put some old 101s back on and based on one day of skating I really prefer the 99s. Feels like the static friction on both are the same but the kinetic friction in the 101s is much smaller than on the 99s: It takes as much effort to get them both to slide but the 101s slide much more when they've broken into a slide. Felt like I had no control over the slide with the 101s. Slipped out quite a few times and that never happened with the 99s. Granted I've gotten much more used to how the 99s feel but I do remember having similar thoughts before.

Got a few sets of 101s to wear out enough to kick down to some kid and then go back to 99A conical full (or tablets) exclusively. 🤔
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: velvethammer on September 03, 2019, 12:40:20 PM
Just ordered a set of F4 99a conical full 56mm. Should be close enough
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on September 08, 2019, 02:48:08 PM
Anyone else go back to skating F4’s after trying other wheels out and realizing you should have never ventured out in the first place? Put some new conical 56 99’s on yesterday and was like...yep, nothing beats the control, slide, and chirp of spitfires. Feels like home.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 08, 2019, 04:15:43 PM
Anyone else go back to skating F4’s after trying other wheels out and realizing you should have never ventured out in the first place? Put some new conical 56 99’s on yesterday and was like...yep, nothing beats the control, slide, and chirp of spitfires. Feels like home.

I won’t even skate other spitfires anymore
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on September 08, 2019, 07:18:34 PM
Anyone else go back to skating F4’s after trying other wheels out and realizing you should have never ventured out in the first place? Put some new conical 56 99’s on yesterday and was like...yep, nothing beats the control, slide, and chirp of spitfires. Feels like home.
I rode some wayward wheels, what a terrible terrible mistake that was! F4s in 99a are prefect and I'll never cheat on them ever again
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 08, 2019, 10:34:49 PM
I got some 99a classics a little after the came out in the mint color. Today I bought some 54mm Lance Mountain set and after being on Conical Fulls they feel slippery and small. Will report the changes once I break the wheels in fully.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 09, 2019, 05:26:00 AM
I've skated the 99s for a while now but the set i was running was below 50mm so I put some old 101s back on and based on one day of skating I really prefer the 99s. Feels like the static friction on both are the same but the kinetic friction in the 101s is much smaller than on the 99s: It takes as much effort to get them both to slide but the 101s slide much more when they've broken into a slide. Felt like I had no control over the slide with the 101s. Slipped out quite a few times and that never happened with the 99s. Granted I've gotten much more used to how the 99s feel but I do remember having similar thoughts before.

Got a few sets of 101s to wear out enough to kick down to some kid and then go back to 99A conical full (or tablets) exclusively. 🤔
Been skating two sets of 99a’s in a row now, I’m a little bit afraid how’s the indoor season will be as I just got some 101a’s again😬 I use to prefer those over 99’s for years but now I’m not so sure anymore...🤔
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 09, 2019, 12:53:33 PM

I can’t find a set of 55’s anywhere. Are they sold out for good? Or is Spitfire going to produce some more?

According to folks at Labor, Deluxe is backordered on Spitfire's for like a month and a half because of skateboarding's current popularity.

This sounds like a bad joke but I'm being totally serious.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on September 09, 2019, 05:37:42 PM
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Anyone else go back to skating F4’s after trying other wheels out and realizing you should have never ventured out in the first place? Put some new conical 56 99’s on yesterday and was like...yep, nothing beats the control, slide, and chirp of spitfires. Feels like home.
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I rode some wayward wheels, what a terrible terrible mistake that was! F4s in 99a are prefect and I'll never cheat on them ever again

I haven’t tried those but I was on some Bones Easy Streets and Speedlab’s, both are quality wheels but Spitfire F4’s have dominated the market for good reason, it’s not hype, the urethane is just perfect. I agree, 99’s are my favorite. The 101’s are a little too slippery.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: woodinbrine on September 10, 2019, 12:18:07 AM
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I've skated the 99s for a while now but the set i was running was below 50mm so I put some old 101s back on and based on one day of skating I really prefer the 99s. Feels like the static friction on both are the same but the kinetic friction in the 101s is much smaller than on the 99s: It takes as much effort to get them both to slide but the 101s slide much more when they've broken into a slide. Felt like I had no control over the slide with the 101s. Slipped out quite a few times and that never happened with the 99s. Granted I've gotten much more used to how the 99s feel but I do remember having similar thoughts before.

Got a few sets of 101s to wear out enough to kick down to some kid and then go back to 99A conical full (or tablets) exclusively. 🤔
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Been skating two sets of 99a’s in a row now, I’m a little bit afraid how’s the indoor season will be as I just got some 101a’s again😬 I use to prefer those over 99’s for years but now I’m not so sure anymore...🤔

On smooth concrete, especially dusty indoors, I slip out non stop even with 99a F4s. Got me some 97a Slime Balls to survive winter.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Krooked antihero on September 10, 2019, 04:15:10 AM
I used to skate 97a’s at our indoor park as well but got tired to push every single slide to get them slide proper, and reverts were pain in the ass too so i got
myself some harder wheels (bones stf) and fell in love. Like ishod said, better to slip out than stick!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Italianshredder96 on September 10, 2019, 01:03:54 PM
Anyone else go back to skating F4’s after trying other wheels out and realizing you should have never ventured out in the first place? Put some new conical 56 99’s on yesterday and was like...yep, nothing beats the control, slide, and chirp of spitfires. Feels like home.

Yes, I skated bones easy streets for a while, now I'm back to f4 conical...they slide hahahahha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on September 11, 2019, 12:17:41 PM
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I can’t find a set of 55’s anywhere. Are they sold out for good? Or is Spitfire going to produce some more?
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According to folks at Labor, Deluxe is backordered on Spitfire's for like a month and a half because of skateboarding's current popularity.

This sounds like a bad joke but I'm being totally serious.
Maybe there's some truth to this supply issue?  The new Fall '19 catalog that was just posted today contains only three models of wheels: a new Jarne pro F4, and 2 colored tablet shapes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on September 11, 2019, 12:44:29 PM
We have a pretty good supply of the andrew allen conical full and a few other styles that might be sold out.
Also use SLAP10 at checkout for 10% off
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire.htm)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 11, 2019, 03:40:13 PM
The new Fall '19 catalog

These things always come out broken into parts, I’m not saying there isn’t a supply issue but I wouldn’t hold too much stake in a three wheel catalog
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on September 11, 2019, 08:13:05 PM
We have a pretty good supply of the andrew allen conical full and a few other styles that might be sold out.
Also use SLAP10 at checkout for 10% off
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire.htm)
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Appreciate the slap code!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on September 12, 2019, 08:42:42 AM
We have a pretty good supply of the andrew allen conical full and a few other styles that might be sold out.
Also use SLAP10 at checkout for 10% off
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire.htm)


Hell yeah appreciate the code ! I also am stoked you list the wheel base on the boards. More places need to do that so thank you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: AssFea on September 18, 2019, 02:12:49 PM
I love these wheels but I’m burning through them like woah. I’m burning like 40mm a year

I buy 54-56s I put them in the wheel box when they are around 48-50mm. Basically when I can touch finger to thumb around the wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: padded_shorts on September 24, 2019, 10:35:45 AM
Recently put some 52mm 99d F4 Radial Slims on. It seems like my bearings are sliding out a little? anyone had this happen?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esquivel on September 24, 2019, 03:47:13 PM
Recently put some 52mm 99d F4 Radial Slims on. It seems like my bearings are sliding out a little? anyone had this happen?

Yes, I have had it on two sets of radial slims and two sets of classics 52mm 101d. I posted about this issue here. Pushing the bearings into the wheel, they just slide in instead of "popping". Classics on the other hand are a nightmare to assemble or take apart but i definitely prefer this than having my bearings slide out all the time. In all cases the slipping out problem happened from the get go. I blame my local skatepark's extremely smooth floor which has become super abrasive from sunlight. Whenever i skate street i never have this issue, even with the same seemingly problematic sets. My experience is that the vibrations when skating street allow the wheels to slide instead of translating all lateral forces into stress on the wheels. I hope i make sense as English is not my forte. Just skate more street and you will be ok. Another solution is to use spacers and tighten the nuts fully.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on September 24, 2019, 07:11:00 PM
 
Anyone else go back to skating F4’s after trying other wheels out and realizing you should have never ventured out in the first place? Put some new conical 56 99’s on yesterday and was like...yep, nothing beats the control, slide, and chirp of spitfires. Feels like home.
Yes. I get NHS gear half price through work so thought I'd try out some OJ's and at half price they're still not worth it compared to f4 99's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on September 24, 2019, 08:22:36 PM
I’m looking to start skating transition a bit and need help choosing some wheels.

If you were going to skate a large outdoor concrete bowl what Formula Fours (size+model) would you personally want to be riding?

What about for transition at an indoor skate park?

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: coneklr on September 24, 2019, 08:23:39 PM
Currently skating 56mm conical fulls 99a for everything.  Love em
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 50mm on September 24, 2019, 10:49:03 PM
I’m looking to start skating transition a bit and need help choosing some wheels.

If you were going to skate a large outdoor concrete bowl what Formula Fours (size+model) would you personally want to be riding?

What about for transition at an indoor skate park?

Thanks guys.
I am going to be doing the same and I'm gonna go with 54mm conical fulls. I got them a while ago but was hardly skating. When I got them I had been skating a local park a lot and couldn't get up kickers and stuff. I never skated parks a lot and I didn't really know what to do. When I got the 54mms I was getting up stuff and keeping speed no problem. I'm going with 99a and the full should be good contact.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 25, 2019, 11:39:03 AM
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I’m looking to start skating transition a bit and need help choosing some wheels.

If you were going to skate a large outdoor concrete bowl what Formula Fours (size+model) would you personally want to be riding?

What about for transition at an indoor skate park?

Thanks guys.
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I am going to be doing the same and I'm gonna go with 54mm conical fulls. I got them a while ago but was hardly skating. When I got them I had been skating a local park a lot and couldn't get up kickers and stuff. I never skated parks a lot and I didn't really know what to do. When I got the 54mms I was getting up stuff and keeping speed no problem. I'm going with 99a and the full should be good contact.

Solid advice here; 54mm is basically the perfect all around size IMO.  Classic fulls would work really well too, if you're looking for a wider contact patch with a bowed sidewall that makes breaking into a slide a bit easier.  I've got both classic and conicals and am extremely curious about the full version of both, so let everyone know how it all works out. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on September 25, 2019, 12:43:44 PM
Currently they don't make classic full beyond a lance or grosso version that has 1 colored wheel.
Probably a pass for most people because of it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GardenSkater77 on September 25, 2019, 07:21:43 PM
I have 52 mm f4 radials and I am looking to go up in size (54-55) with a wider contact patch.

Been working on slappies and I am wondering if certain wheel shapes make it harder to slappy.

Any one have any feedback with conicals, full conicals, and tablets for slappies?

Lots of Tablets for sale but not to many conical or conical full sizes out there right now. I would think lock-ins and tables would be very hard to slappy with but classics would be the best. Any recommendations?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 25, 2019, 07:28:37 PM
I have 52 mm f4 radials and I am looking to go up in size (54-55) with a wider contact patch.

Been working on slappies and I am wondering if certain wheel shapes make it harder to slappy.

Any one have any feedback with conicals, full conicals, and tablets for slappies?

Lots of Tablets for sale but not to many conical or conical full sizes out there right now. I would think lock-ins and tables would be very hard to slappy with but classics would be the best. Any recommendations?

Opinions will differ, but for me, nothing beats a spit classic for slappies, they just roll onto curbs.

Loose Aces and Spit classics = slappie heaven.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on September 25, 2019, 08:34:16 PM
I would think lock-ins and tables would be very hard to slappy with but classics would be the best.

This is pretty much all there is as far as shape goes. Lock ins aren't as bad as tablets for slappies because the outer face is a conical instead of a straight cut, but still nowhere near as good as a classic. Bigger wheels and looser trucks also help.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jtrpma on September 26, 2019, 06:48:36 AM
classics slappy well, but if i put in too much energy they tend to slip out

conical fulls (mine used to be 58) were best for slappies, but the smaller and more square they get the more you have to push (or increase the angle of impact, so it is easier to ride up the curb)

lock ins i imagine to be perfect, because the outer edge is round enough to slappy but lock in on top of the curb.


tablets seem shit but i can't confirm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 26, 2019, 10:43:48 AM
Currently they don't make classic full beyond a lance or grosso version that has 1 colored wheel.
Probably a pass for most people because of it.

Bummer.  I get it, but still probably wouldn't stop me from getting the Lance ones at least. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on September 26, 2019, 12:23:35 PM
Lock In and conical full rule for slappy krook or feeble, helped me just sit on top and go as long as I wanted.
The classic shape probably helps you get into it but it wont help you hold it, the radius cut (rounded edge) just rolls right off sometimes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Freight Train on September 26, 2019, 09:06:12 PM
70 pages about Spitfires, I love it. I could read this whole thread. Spit and OJ are the only wheel companies that matter
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on September 26, 2019, 09:17:37 PM
Figured I'd find a discussion about the Manderson shape with the F4 formula
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on September 26, 2019, 10:59:50 PM
I had a dream last night that they were introducing 92A Formula Fours. Dunno what to think of it. 🤔

A softer wheel that’d slide just as a Formula Four would be a dream. But I guess it’s just that, a dream.  :-X
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: brisvegass on September 26, 2019, 11:38:03 PM
I back F4's but PLEASE make them white, so sick of them looking like potatoes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WobbleHeadBob on September 27, 2019, 01:02:20 AM
got my first set of F4's a coupe weks ago after years of 'wheels are wheels maaaaan' had been riding bones for a long time. The difference is insane!

I have seen the light

SHALOM
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on September 27, 2019, 06:43:22 AM
I back F4's but PLEASE make them white, so sick of them looking like potatoes
Adding pigment takes away from the quality of the urethane.
And pure white wheels look like toys.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on September 27, 2019, 08:28:12 AM
I love the off white color and what 144p said, I've heard before. Bright white wheels don't look good to me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GardenSkater77 on September 27, 2019, 09:18:44 AM
I had a dream last night that they were introducing 92A Formula Fours. Dunno what to think of it. 🤔

A softer wheel that’d slide just as a Formula Four would be a dream. But I guess it’s just that, a dream.  :-X

Spitfire should just go right at the slime ball 97A and take it out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 27, 2019, 03:10:04 PM
got my first set of F4's a coupe weks ago after years of 'wheels are wheels maaaaan' had been riding bones for a long time. The difference is insane!

I have seen the light

SHALOM

I've never had any other gear switch improve my skating more (or make it more enjoyable). It is such a good feeling.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: imuseless on September 28, 2019, 12:48:16 AM
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got my first set of F4's a coupe weks ago after years of 'wheels are wheels maaaaan' had been riding bones for a long time. The difference is insane!

I have seen the light

SHALOM
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I've never had any other gear switch improve my skating more (or make it more enjoyable). It is such a good feeling.

I also remember my first set of F4s. I was just laughing how fucking good they felt compared to cheapest deck brand/skate shop wheels I used to ride.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Switch FS K-Swiss Grind on September 28, 2019, 01:14:13 AM
got my first set of F4's a coupe weks ago after years of 'wheels are wheels maaaaan' had been riding bones for a long time. The difference is insane!

I have seen the light

SHALOM
welcome home brother
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on September 28, 2019, 09:15:22 AM
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got my first set of F4's a coupe weks ago after years of 'wheels are wheels maaaaan' had been riding bones for a long time. The difference is insane!

I have seen the light

SHALOM
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I've never had any other gear switch improve my skating more (or make it more enjoyable). It is such a good feeling.


I'm sure I've told this story earlier in this thread but a few months before the F4 was introduced I won a prototype through an Instagram giveaway, and since then I haven't skated anything other than an F4 variant. I simply can't do it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Reed Richards on September 28, 2019, 09:57:59 AM
I have the classic F4 Tyshawn joints, no complaints whatsoever.  To combat these gross ass NJ streets and porous pavement, I'm thinking of putting some conical fulls on my next setup.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on September 28, 2019, 06:27:47 PM
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I’m looking to start skating transition a bit and need help choosing some wheels.

If you were going to skate a large outdoor concrete bowl what Formula Fours (size+model) would you personally want to be riding?

What about for transition at an indoor skate park?

Thanks guys.
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I am going to be doing the same and I'm gonna go with 54mm conical fulls. I got them a while ago but was hardly skating. When I got them I had been skating a local park a lot and couldn't get up kickers and stuff. I never skated parks a lot and I didn't really know what to do. When I got the 54mms I was getting up stuff and keeping speed no problem. I'm going with 99a and the full should be good contact.
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Solid advice here; 54mm is basically the perfect all around size IMO.  Classic fulls would work really well too, if you're looking for a wider contact patch with a bowed sidewall that makes breaking into a slide a bit easier.  I've got both classic and conicals and am extremely curious about the full version of both, so let everyone know how it all works out.

I used to skate 99a 54s for street back in the day ( couldn’t drive yet and my tiny Wisconsin hometown was/is crusty AF) so I was considering going a bit bigger. I ride 52mm STF V1 103s on my street board so I figured why not go larger than 54mm if it’s going to literally only be used in the bowl.

Would you say 56mm conical fulls would outperform 54mm classic wides in this case? I’m 6’ 175lbs so I’m not huge but I’m not a small guy either.

Shit maybe I should get 54mm Classic Fulls first and if they’re not big enough I’ll at least have some wheels for when I visit my old hometown.

Thanks guys.

Oh btw semi related question. Do 52mm STF V1s Or 52mm Formula Four Classics have a wider contact patch?  I can’t find the exact dimensions of the STF V1s and mine are too worn down to tell.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SATIVA HYBRID on October 07, 2019, 10:40:47 AM
got my first set of F4's a coupe weks ago after years of 'wheels are wheels maaaaan' had been riding bones for a long time. The difference is insane!

I have seen the light

SHALOM

 this gives me hope for others, it's always so confusing when someone insists to me that bones are superior
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Audrey II on October 07, 2019, 11:08:22 AM
Got this tattoo almost 14 years ago. Haven't bought or rode another wheel company's product since 1992. I got the tee shirt with the WWII soldier with the flamethrower and I've been hooked ever since

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48848629967_baa1ca1c3c_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hqzZQ4) (https://flic.kr/p/2hqzZQ4) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/184579819@N02/)

ill never understand getting a logo of a brand you arent part of tattooed on yourself. but hey whatever floats your boat.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 07, 2019, 11:15:47 AM
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Got this tattoo almost 14 years ago. Haven't bought or rode another wheel company's product since 1992. I got the tee shirt with the WWII soldier with the flamethrower and I've been hooked ever since

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48848629967_baa1ca1c3c_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hqzZQ4) (https://flic.kr/p/2hqzZQ4) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/184579819@N02/)
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ill never understand getting a logo of a brand you arent part of tattooed on yourself. but hey whatever floats your boat.

Had a chance to get some tattoos while in high school. So glad I pussy'd the fuck out. I was going to get some shitty emo band logo that I don't even fuck with anymore. No I do have tattoos im not hyped on but they aren't some shitty band I have no tie to
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Freight Train on October 07, 2019, 02:44:14 PM
I don't think it's necessary to understand why other people do the things they do and like the art they like. I don't question my tastes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jtrpma on October 07, 2019, 08:07:21 PM
I don't think it's necessary to understand why other people do the things they do and like the art they like. I don't question my tastes

Second that! I would never trade that for any of my shitty tattoos, but I owe so so much to my memories and corresponding tattoos that I don’t care who’s aesthetics they please.
If you love it it is rad!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: animalflesh on October 08, 2019, 07:33:40 AM
I have skate brand tattoos and band tattoos who gives a shit

I think they’re awesome

Anyway I bought my first set of f4 today
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on October 08, 2019, 10:14:11 PM
Sup gods, I bought thw tablet shapes because of the wider riding surface (was rocking the classics before) but people here don't seem to be as fond of them (only read like 2 pages before this one) whats the dealio with this shape? Pros and Cons? Sorry if this has been asked before (which it surely has been)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on October 08, 2019, 10:24:29 PM
Sup gods, I bought thw tablet shapes because of the wider riding surface (was rocking the classics before) but people here don't seem to be as fond of them (only read like 2 pages before this one) whats the dealio with this shape? Pros and Cons? Sorry if this has been asked before (which it surely has been)

I’m going to piggyback this question as I was forced to buy tablets since there were no f4 conical fulls to be found.

I saw what’s-his-name’s video review but who has firsthand experience?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tarquin on October 09, 2019, 05:49:41 AM
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Sup gods, I bought thw tablet shapes because of the wider riding surface (was rocking the classics before) but people here don't seem to be as fond of them (only read like 2 pages before this one) whats the dealio with this shape? Pros and Cons? Sorry if this has been asked before (which it surely has been)
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I’m going to piggyback this question as I was forced to buy tablets since there were no f4 conical fulls to be found.

I saw what’s-his-name’s video review but who has firsthand experience?

They’re good for locking into smith grinds and feeble grinds (but then so are conical fulls). They’re skinny, making my axles seem wider which I like. A big negative for me is how exposed the axle nuts are because of how skinny they’re cut. It was fucking up slappys at first but I kind of got used to it. They’re not bad but I’ll be going back to conical fulls once I’m done with them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on October 09, 2019, 06:40:40 AM
tablets - Straight Cut profile, thin riding surface, speed and control for the sick.
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/tablets-spec.jpg)

conical full - Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere.
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/conical-full-spec.jpg)
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Post by: HyenaChaser on October 09, 2019, 08:51:12 AM
tablets - Straight Cut profile, thin riding surface, speed and control for the sick.

conical full - Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere.

I mean, I get that more surface area equals a relatively smoother roll, but what am I supposed to do with “control for the sick?”

Am I sick? Should I become sick? Does it have to be terminal?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on October 09, 2019, 09:32:32 AM
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tablets - Straight Cut profile, thin riding surface, speed and control for the sick.

conical full - Wider riding surface and cutaway design for unmatched control and lasting speed everywhere.
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I mean, I get that more surface area equals a relatively smoother roll, but what am I supposed to do with “control for the sick?”

Am I sick? Should I become sick? Does it have to be terminal?

Spitfire marketing. Such bullshit. Also the tablets by no means have a thin riding surface. It's exactly the same on the 54 mm concial fulls and tablets. They really should stop with this pseudoscientific/technical babble and just stick to facts. Annoys me to no end. Love the wheels though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: baggy spandex on October 09, 2019, 09:55:49 AM
I back F4's but PLEASE make them white, so sick of them looking like potatoes

I'd be so bummed to have deal with a white Formula Four. Gotta have my rusty potatoes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 10, 2019, 08:32:24 PM
Skate warehouse just got in some conicals and conical fulls.

I ride 52 mm 99a radials and would get them again in 53-54 mm but can’t find them.

SW has 53 mm conical wide and 54 mm conical.

I am leaning to the conical wide, but is that overkill in terms of contact patch width?

Having wider wheels may make flip tricks feel weird.

Anyone have experience with both SHAPES?

GANG!

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thebacker on October 10, 2019, 08:42:00 PM
Go with the 54's, it's the perfect wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on October 10, 2019, 10:17:55 PM
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I back F4's but PLEASE make them white, so sick of them looking like potatoes
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I'd be so bummed to have deal with a white Formula Four. Gotta have my rusty potatoes.

If you’re worried about the whiteness of your wheels, you could always skate Bones. But then like, you’d be skating Bones. And that’s pretty fucked up.
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Post by: arrbee on October 16, 2019, 10:05:01 AM
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I back F4's but PLEASE make them white, so sick of them looking like potatoes
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I'd be so bummed to have deal with a white Formula Four. Gotta have my rusty potatoes.
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If you’re worried about the whiteness of your wheels, you could always skate Bones. But then like, you’d be skating Bones. And that’s pretty fucked up.

I couldn't imagine having to admit, or even say out loud I was riding Bones
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Post by: camel filters on October 17, 2019, 10:13:50 AM
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I back F4's but PLEASE make them white, so sick of them looking like potatoes
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I'd be so bummed to have deal with a white Formula Four. Gotta have my rusty potatoes.
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If you’re worried about the whiteness of your wheels, you could always skate Bones. But then like, you’d be skating Bones. And that’s pretty fucked up.
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I couldn't imagine having to admit, or even say out loud I was riding Bones
I just think of purple neff outfits when I see bones wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on October 17, 2019, 10:31:54 AM
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I back F4's but PLEASE make them white, so sick of them looking like potatoes
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I'd be so bummed to have deal with a white Formula Four. Gotta have my rusty potatoes.
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If you’re worried about the whiteness of your wheels, you could always skate Bones. But then like, you’d be skating Bones. And that’s pretty fucked up.
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I couldn't imagine having to admit, or even say out loud I was riding Bones
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I just think of purple neff outfits when I see bones wheels.
Where the fuck did Dyet go? Was he injured or did he just blow it?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on October 17, 2019, 10:39:16 AM
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I back F4's but PLEASE make them white, so sick of them looking like potatoes
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I'd be so bummed to have deal with a white Formula Four. Gotta have my rusty potatoes.
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If you’re worried about the whiteness of your wheels, you could always skate Bones. But then like, you’d be skating Bones. And that’s pretty fucked up.
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I couldn't imagine having to admit, or even say out loud I was riding Bones
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I just think of purple neff outfits when I see bones wheels.
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Where the fuck did Dyet go? Was he injured or did he just blow it?

You know how he skated Bones? Well like, he’s also on Darkstar, and it’s kind of like, I mean, you get it.
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Post by: bbk on October 17, 2019, 11:06:44 AM
Oh, he's still on Darkstar. Who knew?
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Post by: arrbee on October 17, 2019, 11:28:18 AM
Oh, he's still on Darkstar. Who knew?

Dyet is a space cadet, I doubt he even knows he is on Darkstar
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GardenSkater77 on October 25, 2019, 07:56:51 PM
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I have 52 mm f4 radials and I am looking to go up in size (54-55) with a wider contact patch.

Been working on slappies and I am wondering if certain wheel shapes make it harder to slappy.

Any one have any feedback with conicals, full conicals, and tablets for slappies?

Lots of Tablets for sale but not to many conical or conical full sizes out there right now. I would think lock-ins and tables would be very hard to slappy with but classics would be the best. Any recommendations?
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Opinions will differ, but for me, nothing beats a spit classic for slappies, they just roll onto curbs.

Loose Aces and Spit classics = slappie heaven.

I got 55 mm classics 99a and they are terrific for slappies. You really roll right up on the curb. I thought the classics would lack grip because of the smaller contact patch, but the wheels had plenty of grip. Very pleased with my purchase.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on October 25, 2019, 11:19:24 PM
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I have 52 mm f4 radials and I am looking to go up in size (54-55) with a wider contact patch.

Been working on slappies and I am wondering if certain wheel shapes make it harder to slappy.

Any one have any feedback with conicals, full conicals, and tablets for slappies?

Lots of Tablets for sale but not to many conical or conical full sizes out there right now. I would think lock-ins and tables would be very hard to slappy with but classics would be the best. Any recommendations?
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Opinions will differ, but for me, nothing beats a spit classic for slappies, they just roll onto curbs.

Loose Aces and Spit classics = slappie heaven.
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I got 55 mm classics 99a and they are terrific for slappies. You really roll right up on the curb. I thought the classics would lack grip because of the smaller contact patch, but the wheels had plenty of grip. Very pleased with my purchase.

Width of the contact patch does not have any effect on grip.
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Post by: oldbummer on October 25, 2019, 11:41:12 PM
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I have 52 mm f4 radials and I am looking to go up in size (54-55) with a wider contact patch.

Been working on slappies and I am wondering if certain wheel shapes make it harder to slappy.

Any one have any feedback with conicals, full conicals, and tablets for slappies?

Lots of Tablets for sale but not to many conical or conical full sizes out there right now. I would think lock-ins and tables would be very hard to slappy with but classics would be the best. Any recommendations?
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Opinions will differ, but for me, nothing beats a spit classic for slappies, they just roll onto curbs.

Loose Aces and Spit classics = slappie heaven.
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I got 55 mm classics 99a and they are terrific for slappies. You really roll right up on the curb. I thought the classics would lack grip because of the smaller contact patch, but the wheels had plenty of grip. Very pleased with my purchase.
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Width of the contact patch does not have any effect on grip.

That is why drag race cars use really narrow wheels in the back.
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Post by: WorkClothscape on October 26, 2019, 12:22:05 AM
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I have 52 mm f4 radials and I am looking to go up in size (54-55) with a wider contact patch.

Been working on slappies and I am wondering if certain wheel shapes make it harder to slappy.

Any one have any feedback with conicals, full conicals, and tablets for slappies?

Lots of Tablets for sale but not to many conical or conical full sizes out there right now. I would think lock-ins and tables would be very hard to slappy with but classics would be the best. Any recommendations?
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Opinions will differ, but for me, nothing beats a spit classic for slappies, they just roll onto curbs.

Loose Aces and Spit classics = slappie heaven.
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I got 55 mm classics 99a and they are terrific for slappies. You really roll right up on the curb. I thought the classics would lack grip because of the smaller contact patch, but the wheels had plenty of grip. Very pleased with my purchase.
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Width of the contact patch does not have any effect on grip.
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That is why drag race cars use really narrow wheels in the back.

The drag race car accelerating is a more complex system. The skate wheel grip is basically a sliding friction between the ground and the wheel, and the width of the contact patch of the wheel does not have any effect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: weedgod94 on October 26, 2019, 08:47:41 AM
The skate wheel grip is basically a sliding friction between the ground and the wheel, and the width of the contact patch of the wheel does not have any effect.
(https://longboardenvy.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/xVenom-Magnum.jpg.pagespeed.ic.cEAvR9vWhl.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WorkClothscape on October 26, 2019, 09:12:18 AM
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The skate wheel grip is basically a sliding friction between the ground and the wheel, and the width of the contact patch of the wheel does not have any effect.
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What's your point?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on October 26, 2019, 07:13:43 PM
A wheel like that in 99 f4 would obviously be grippier than classics. That fact about friction does not work with skate wheels. We are grinding the wheels down, wider contact patch means more material to wear down, which means more grip.
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Post by: Reed Richards on October 26, 2019, 08:22:50 PM
Probably going to get some conical fulls for this big boy board I'm setting up.  I understand the pros, but are there any cons.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on October 27, 2019, 12:36:01 AM
A wheel like that in 99 f4 would obviously be grippier than classics. That fact about friction does not work with skate wheels. We are grinding the wheels down, wider contact patch means more material to wear down, which means more grip.

Why not? What makes skateboard wheels special that basic physics do not apply to them? Wider contact patch means more material to wear down and better roll over uneven ground but how would it mean more grip?

https://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae140.cfm

"Although a larger area of contact between two surfaces would create a larger source of frictional forces, it also reduces the pressure between the two surfaces for a given force holding them together. Since pressure equals force divided by the area of contact, it works out that the increase in friction generating area is exactly offset by the reduction in pressure; the resulting frictional forces, then, are dependent only on the frictional coefficient of the materials and the FORCE holding them together.

If you were to increase the force as you increased the area to keep PRESSURE the same, then increasing the area WOULD increase the frictional force between the two surfaces.
Answered by: Paul Walorski, B.A. Physics, Part-time Physics Instructor"
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on October 27, 2019, 04:35:06 AM
So you honestly don't think that wheel in an f4 would be grippier than classics, because physics?
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Post by: sharkin on October 27, 2019, 04:41:43 AM
It gets a lot more complicated when you figure wheels aren’t perfect, neither is the ground, forces are applied differently whether rolling or sliding, skating flat vs tranny, etc.

Get your BA in physics to give a textbook definition of sliding friction (all things controlled) but pump around a bowl on 52mm classics and 56mm conical fulls, and suddenly Mr. Walorski’s science seems flimsy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on October 27, 2019, 05:13:19 AM
I back F4's but PLEASE make them white, so sick of them looking like potatoes

So get Bones kid.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on October 27, 2019, 10:09:42 AM
So you honestly don't think that wheel in an f4 would be grippier than classics, because physics?

Yes. So far I haven't come across anything that would suggest otherwise. No scientific proof nor do I find any difference in how classics and conical fulls slide. I know it's not intuitive. It is a massively common misconception that larger surface area (or wider wheels) has more grip but there just isn't any evidence to back it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on October 27, 2019, 07:25:24 PM
Spitfire classic formula is inferior and slightly grippier than formula fours, no doubt. They wear down faster, too. Gets the job done but it’s worth spending the extra $5-$10 for the F4.
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Post by: mynameisnotjeff on October 27, 2019, 08:22:51 PM
Spitfire classic formula is inferior and slightly grippier than formula fours, no doubt. They wear down faster, too. Gets the job done but it’s worth spending the extra $5-$10 for the F4.

This is why we need a Manderson F4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on October 27, 2019, 08:38:17 PM
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Spitfire classic formula is inferior and slightly grippier than formula fours, no doubt. They wear down faster, too. Gets the job done but it’s worth spending the extra $5-$10 for the F4.
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This is why we need a Manderson F4

get conical fulls in 53mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on October 28, 2019, 05:32:02 AM
I still like the classics, even though they feel kinda slow. Had a pair of orange conical full classics this summer, liked them til they got super coned.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on October 28, 2019, 06:02:32 AM
gotta rotate your tires
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Post by: ClownOfTheDay on October 28, 2019, 06:11:31 AM
gotta rotate your tires
Yeah need to rotate my F4's soon, my conicals are getting coned.
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Post by: spacial_profiling on October 28, 2019, 08:06:12 AM
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Spitfire classic formula is inferior and slightly grippier than formula fours, no doubt. They wear down faster, too. Gets the job done but it’s worth spending the extra $5-$10 for the F4.
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This is why we need a Manderson F4

Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on October 28, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
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Spitfire classic formula is inferior and slightly grippier than formula fours, no doubt. They wear down faster, too. Gets the job done but it’s worth spending the extra $5-$10 for the F4.
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This is why we need a Manderson F4
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Couldn't agree more!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on October 28, 2019, 09:15:33 AM
I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispell this nasty rumor. Please...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 28, 2019, 10:12:14 AM
Worst case scenario I'll go back to classics. Hopefully they'll make all the shapes in those.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thebacker on October 28, 2019, 10:17:35 AM
I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispsell this nasty rumor. Please...

you shut your whore mouth
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on October 28, 2019, 10:23:30 AM
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I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispsell this nasty rumor. Please...
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you shut your whore mouth

SERIOUSLY. Don’t tell me F4s are done, this is like hearing your girl say “I think we should take a break” meaning an inevitable break up is gonna happen. C’mon babe, we can work it out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: weedgod94 on October 28, 2019, 10:24:36 AM
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Yes. So far I haven't come across anything that would suggest otherwise. No scientific proof nor do I find any difference in how classics and conical fulls slide. I know it's not intuitive. It is a massively common misconception that larger surface area (or wider wheels) has more grip but there just isn't any evidence to back it.
I'm guessing most of the difference in grip comes from the lip shape. So a classic with that huge bevel is obviously gonna grip less than like a tablet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: In A Jar on October 28, 2019, 11:04:03 AM
Crazy.  I had been wondering why on earth Spitfire has been pushing their Classic Formula lately.  Maybe they knew about this ahead of time. 
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Post by: arrbee on October 28, 2019, 11:06:03 AM
And to think they wasted so much of the last of the F4 formula on colored wheels.
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Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 28, 2019, 11:18:03 AM
I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispsell this nasty rumor. Please...

This better be some kind of sick and twisted joke...

That being said, I'm sure I got some Made in Mexico F4s awhile back? And doesn't that dude you speak of have his own wheel company also?

But yes, also noticing an increased push with the Classic formula... hmmm....
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Post by: arrbee on October 28, 2019, 11:25:33 AM
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I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispsell this nasty rumor. Please...
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This better be some kind of sick and twisted joke...

That being said, I'm sure I got some Made in Mexico F4s awhile back? And doesn't that dude you speak of have his own wheel company also?

But yes, also noticing an increased push with the Classic formula... hmmm....

What is this other wheel company you speak of?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on October 28, 2019, 11:26:13 AM
Spitfire realised they fucked up making F4s so durable so now they're forcing everybody to go back to flatspot city classics knowing that skaters will go through classics faster than f4s.


I don't wanna go back.
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Post by: thebacker on October 28, 2019, 11:26:16 AM
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I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispsell this nasty rumor. Please...
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This better be some kind of sick and twisted joke...

That being said, I'm sure I got some Made in Mexico F4s awhile back? And doesn't that dude you speak of have his own wheel company also?

But yes, also noticing an increased push with the Classic formula... hmmm....
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What is this other wheel company you speak of?

loophole wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on October 28, 2019, 11:56:43 AM
Lenny of DLX  :(
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Post by: baggy spandex on October 28, 2019, 11:57:06 AM
I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispsell this nasty rumor. Please...

I heard the same rumor a couple weeks ago. My local was completely out of ALL spitfire at the time and they said to snatch up F4 wherever you can find them. Then another local was fully restocked the following week. I’m still hoping it’s just a rumor.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on October 28, 2019, 12:00:00 PM
I wouldn't mind skating the classics if they made them in more shapes, I like square wheels. Unfortunately I live in rural Iowa so my main go to is tactics and they've been low of F4's. If anyone from deluxe is reading this make conical fulls in classic formula and you'll have me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on October 28, 2019, 12:08:41 PM
* Formula 5 drops *
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on October 28, 2019, 12:11:58 PM
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Yes. So far I haven't come across anything that would suggest otherwise. No scientific proof nor do I find any difference in how classics and conical fulls slide. I know it's not intuitive. It is a massively common misconception that larger surface area (or wider wheels) has more grip but there just isn't any evidence to back it.
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I'm guessing most of the difference in grip comes from the lip shape. So a classic with that huge bevel is obviously gonna grip less than like a tablet.

Never had the tablets so can't say much about them but a completely straight lip might dig into rough ground for sure. Can't really see that happening with conicals or classics though as there's still quite a bevel there if you think of sliding with them. Maybe the classic shape would slide better over a considerably raised seam than the conicals. 🤔
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 28, 2019, 12:12:48 PM
I wouldn't mind skating the classics if they made them in more shapes, I like square wheels. Unfortunately I live in rural Iowa so my main go to is tactics and they've been low of F4's. If anyone from deluxe is reading this make conical fulls in classic formula and you'll have me.


The OG classic shape is pretty wide and square. I have to say the Classic Formula has improved but its not as good or durable as the F4....

Lenny?!?!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on October 28, 2019, 12:20:58 PM
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I wouldn't mind skating the classics if they made them in more shapes, I like square wheels. Unfortunately I live in rural Iowa so my main go to is tactics and they've been low of F4's. If anyone from deluxe is reading this make conical fulls in classic formula and you'll have me.
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The OG classic shape is pretty wide and square. I have to say the Classic Formula has improved but its not as good or durable as the F4....

Lenny?!?!
honestly as long as there is spitfire wheels in this world I'll be ok. I can't see myself skating a bones wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on October 28, 2019, 01:03:28 PM
I love F4s but if they stopped being made I would have no problem switching to bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on October 28, 2019, 01:07:05 PM
I love F4s but if they stopped being made I would have no problem switching to bones.
I would. I would rather skate flatspotted classics than smooth plasticky hoffart asshole shaped wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: AssFlea on October 28, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
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I love F4s but if they stopped being made I would have no problem switching to bones.
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I would. I would rather skate flatspotted classics than smooth plasticky hoffart asshole shaped wheels.

boom fereal
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: colinquinn on October 28, 2019, 02:09:15 PM
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I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispsell this nasty rumor. Please...
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I heard the same rumor a couple weeks ago. My local was completely out of ALL spitfire at the time and they said to snatch up F4 wherever you can find them. Then another local was fully restocked the following week. I’m still hoping it’s just a rumor.

This is indeed a disturbing universe.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 28, 2019, 02:17:30 PM
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I love F4s but if they stopped being made I would have no problem switching to bones.
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I would. I would rather skate flatspotted classics than smooth plasticky hoffart asshole shaped wheels.

Flat spots over bones wheels all day. I won some bones wheels in a giveaway. I can trade them in to save my life.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rob on October 28, 2019, 02:34:46 PM
I love F4s but if they stopped being made I would have no problem switching to bones.

Stf gang all day

But really 99a gang all day

I will skate almost any 99a formula wheel

Or bones 100

I like the classic ole, 100’s, ricta naturals, spitfire classic, board brand wheels, pig, even oj
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backinaction on October 28, 2019, 03:08:36 PM
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I love F4s but if they stopped being made I would have no problem switching to bones.
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I would. I would rather skate flatspotted classics than smooth plasticky hoffart asshole shaped wheels.
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Flat spots over bones wheels all day. I won some bones wheels in a giveaway. I can trade them in to save my life.

In the skatepark I do Bones all day.   SPF on my bigger board, STF on the smaller ones.  They are just straight up faster than even the 101 F4.  On the street though - F4 99.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on October 28, 2019, 03:32:39 PM
Don’t believe everything you hear, especially in a skate shop.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 28, 2019, 06:49:48 PM
Go ride some loopholes if you can't get spits...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: el chino on October 29, 2019, 01:30:40 AM
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I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispsell this nasty rumor. Please...
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I heard the same rumor a couple weeks ago. My local was completely out of ALL spitfire at the time and they said to snatch up F4 wherever you can find them. Then another local was fully restocked the following week. I’m still hoping it’s just a rumor.
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This is indeed a disturbing universe.
heard about this aswell, i just got some 101f4 radial slims 2 days ago :(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 29, 2019, 04:13:08 AM
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I heard a really shitty rumor this weekend. Supposedly, the guy who owns the F4 formula and factory where they are made is calling it quits with skateboard wheels and moving on. And taking his secret formula with him. My local is getting a shipment of F4's this week and then that's it. No more. It seems almost unbelievable that Spitfire would not pay whatever the cost to keep making these wonderful wheels. But that's what I heard. Really hoping this is untrue. But to be safe, I  just ordered 8 sets online this morning.
I was a bit of a late comer to the F4 hype. I got my first set maybe 4 or 5 years ago. But fell in love instantly. They honestly changed skating for me and made it more fun, if that's possible. They are that good and better than any other wheel. I've been skating for 35 years; and not since the advent of boards growing noses has something changed skating so much and in such a good way as F4s, imo.
Hopefully LennyDLXSF can get on here and dispsell this nasty rumor. Please...
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I heard the same rumor a couple weeks ago. My local was completely out of ALL spitfire at the time and they said to snatch up F4 wherever you can find them. Then another local was fully restocked the following week. I’m still hoping it’s just a rumor.
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This is indeed a disturbing universe.
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heard about this aswell, i just got some 101f4 radial slims 2 days ago :(

man if this is true, then...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on October 29, 2019, 07:20:52 AM
http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 29, 2019, 08:05:06 AM
http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.

The rumor is the company is getting out of the game, if said rumor was true wouldn't they not take any new orders?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on October 29, 2019, 08:11:14 AM
http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.
Would also explain why some of my f4s are much brighter
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/8f8a2f_771b38fd00e34362a4e8c1954eed2890~mv2_d_6000_3376_s_4_2.jpg/v1/fill/w_600,h_340,al_c,q_80,usm_0.66_1.00_0.01/Wheel%20color%20spectrum%201_JPG.webp)
"The color of the wheels vary in a spectrum of natural urethane color"
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on October 29, 2019, 08:46:46 AM
Can we please get a fucking answer? all this silence drives me mad.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on October 29, 2019, 09:11:47 AM
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http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.
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The rumor is the company is getting out of the game, if said rumor was true wouldn't they not take any new orders?

These are the “formula 5’s” in a sense and not the people who make formula fours. This appears to be a small operation and they’re all hand cut.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 29, 2019, 10:39:24 AM
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http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.
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The rumor is the company is getting out of the game, if said rumor was true wouldn't they not take any new orders?
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These are the “formula 5’s” in a sense and not the people who make formula fours. This appears to be a small operation and they’re all hand cut.

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: velvethammer on October 29, 2019, 10:52:02 AM
If you didn't like the potato color you can get the classics in all black now. New black out F4's on the website
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2019, 11:11:16 AM
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http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.
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The rumor is the company is getting out of the game, if said rumor was true wouldn't they not take any new orders?

Curious why they'd leave, if they are indeed licensing (?) the formula to DLX? Or perhaps DLX owns the 4 formula outright and aren't making anything off the sales of their own 'thane.

Nobody wants to go back to F1s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 29, 2019, 11:28:51 AM
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http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.
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The rumor is the company is getting out of the game, if said rumor was true wouldn't they not take any new orders?
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Curious why they'd leave, if they are indeed licensing (?) the formula to DLX? Or perhaps DLX owns the 4 formula outright and aren't making anything off the sales of their own 'thane.

Nobody wants to go back to F1s.

Was there ever F2/F3 or did we jump straight to F4?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Starm on October 29, 2019, 11:34:50 AM
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http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.
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The rumor is the company is getting out of the game, if said rumor was true wouldn't they not take any new orders?
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Curious why they'd leave, if they are indeed licensing (?) the formula to DLX? Or perhaps DLX owns the 4 formula outright and aren't making anything off the sales of their own 'thane.

Nobody wants to go back to F1s.
Well if DLX owned the F4 urethane then we probably wouldn't be talking about them discontinuing production, this doesn't really make me confident in the future of the wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on October 29, 2019, 11:41:23 AM
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http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.
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The rumor is the company is getting out of the game, if said rumor was true wouldn't they not take any new orders?
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Curious why they'd leave, if they are indeed licensing (?) the formula to DLX? Or perhaps DLX owns the 4 formula outright and aren't making anything off the sales of their own 'thane.

Nobody wants to go back to F1s.
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Was there ever F2/F3 or did we jump straight to F4?
I asked the same question a couple years ago
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backinaction on October 29, 2019, 12:14:41 PM
Anyone know the origin of the name "Loophole"?   As in - we found a loophole so we can offer wheels with the same urethane as Formula 4?

It looks to me like Loophole and NFG are the same company.  Both domains registered privately through Network Solutions and hosted on Wix, using the same Wix DNS servers (dns6 and dns7)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on October 29, 2019, 12:31:20 PM
Anyone know the origin of the name "Loophole"?   As in - we found a loophole so we can offer wheels with the same urethane as Formula 4?

It looks to me like Loophole and NFG are the same company.  Both domains registered privately through Network Solutions and hosted on Wix, using the same Wix DNS servers (dns6 and dns7)

well, for that matter, they resolve to the same IP address.

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I guess that could be a load balancer of some sort...Wix probably uses minimal public ip addresses, so disregard.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: weedgod94 on October 29, 2019, 12:57:18 PM
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http://nfgmfg.com

Seems like this is who actually makes the wheels, and then loophole, or whoever else as a company places an order, they put your logo on the wheel. If the F4 rumor is true, I’d imagine they’re about to blow up with orders.
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The rumor is the company is getting out of the game, if said rumor was true wouldn't they not take any new orders?
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Curious why they'd leave, if they are indeed licensing (?) the formula to DLX? Or perhaps DLX owns the 4 formula outright and aren't making anything off the sales of their own 'thane.

Nobody wants to go back to F1s.
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Was there ever F2/F3 or did we jump straight to F4?
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I asked the same question a couple years ago
I'm assuming they developed a formula two and three but they weren't good enough to release. Either that or the marketing guy just said F4 sounds cool
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 29, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
They are all a tier class of open-wheel 'formula' racing. Evolution of the F1 spitfire series; no idea why they'd go straight to Four except it does sound cooler than the others.

F1 = Racing
F2 = Racing
F3 = Racing
F4 = Racing
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Smartass on October 29, 2019, 05:34:15 PM
Anyone know the origin of the name "Loophole"?   As in - we found a loophole so we can offer wheels with the same urethane as Formula 4?

It looks to me like Loophole and NFG are the same company.  Both domains registered privately through Network Solutions and hosted on Wix, using the same Wix DNS servers (dns6 and dns7)

From what I've been told they're just basically a branch of NFG at the moment.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on October 30, 2019, 08:52:34 PM
I will perpetuate this current rumor and add that I talked to the owner at my local and he heard from a reliable source in Cali that there is definitely something going on with the whole F4 fiasco. Apparently the guy who created the formula, a “urethane scientist” or whatever you’d call him, wanted more money from DLX and they said no, so he said peace. And since DLX doesn’t know exactly what’s in the secret sauce, he has the upper hand.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 31, 2019, 05:36:04 AM
I will perpetuate this current rumor and add that I talked to the owner at my local and he heard from a reliable source in Cali that there is definitely something going on with the whole F4 fiasco. Apparently the guy who created the formula, a “urethane scientist” or whatever you’d call him, wanted more money from DLX and they said no, so he said peace. And since DLX doesn’t know exactly what’s in the secret sauce, he has the upper hand.

Was in my local yesterday talked to the crew and they were told by their DLX rep some machinery in the factory went down and took a while to repair which created a back log in manufacturing and created the shortage of F4. DLX could just be blowing smoke while they get it sorted out, or could be the real reason and the rumor spawned from the shortage. The silence from the DLX dudes that post here is definitely saying something.

Someone man up and hit Jim T. on insta.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FROTHY on October 31, 2019, 07:55:45 AM
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I will perpetuate this current rumor and add that I talked to the owner at my local and he heard from a reliable source in Cali that there is definitely something going on with the whole F4 fiasco. Apparently the guy who created the formula, a “urethane scientist” or whatever you’d call him, wanted more money from DLX and they said no, so he said peace. And since DLX doesn’t know exactly what’s in the secret sauce, he has the upper hand.
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Was in my local yesterday talked to the crew and they were told by their DLX rep some machinery in the factory went down and took a while to repair which created a back log in manufacturing and created the shortage of F4. DLX could just be blowing smoke while they get it sorted out, or could be the real reason and the rumor spawned from the shortage. The silence from the DLX dudes that post here is definitely saying something.

Someone man up and hit Jim T. on insta.

Shit, I just put two and two together... A few weeks ago I complained to Scott at spitfire about my HD Chargers, and he offered to replace them with some more HD Chargers or F4s. I basically said any F4 would be great. Lo and behold, they sent HD Chargers. I wonder if the rumored F4 turmoil had to do with this.
(FYI I still greatly appreciate Scott and Reed's customer service)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 31, 2019, 08:00:24 AM
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I will perpetuate this current rumor and add that I talked to the owner at my local and he heard from a reliable source in Cali that there is definitely something going on with the whole F4 fiasco. Apparently the guy who created the formula, a “urethane scientist” or whatever you’d call him, wanted more money from DLX and they said no, so he said peace. And since DLX doesn’t know exactly what’s in the secret sauce, he has the upper hand.
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Was in my local yesterday talked to the crew and they were told by their DLX rep some machinery in the factory went down and took a while to repair which created a back log in manufacturing and created the shortage of F4. DLX could just be blowing smoke while they get it sorted out, or could be the real reason and the rumor spawned from the shortage. The silence from the DLX dudes that post here is definitely saying something.

Someone man up and hit Jim T. on insta.
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Shit, I just put two and two together... A few weeks ago I complained to Scott at spitfire about my HD Chargers, and he offered to replace them with some more HD Chargers or F4s. I basically said any F4 would be great. Lo and behold, they sent HD Chargers. I wonder if the rumored F4 turmoil had to do with this.
(FYI I still greatly appreciate Scott and Reed's customer service)

My local was out of spits all together and called them like "we need like 80 sets of spits, we're all out" box showed up with a ton of the colored F4's a few set of the "white" in various shapes and sizes and the rest was classic formula. Was lucky enough to scoop some 54mm tablets before they stocked the case. Now I have 3 sets of F4 in my stash.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: colinquinn on October 31, 2019, 09:57:47 AM
I'm gonna need to raid some zumies soon, I bet they have tons of old stock F4's
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Post by: arrbee on October 31, 2019, 10:05:37 AM
I'm gonna need to raid some zumies soon, I bet they have tons of old stock F4's

occasionally hit sale also
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on October 31, 2019, 12:10:33 PM
This news upsets me. Would suck if true.
Funny enough I was cleaning my room out last night trying to declutter and I found this underneath a bunch of random crap, forgot I even had these or how I even got them cuz I sure as Hell don't remember buying em
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/75224743_1333011240200712_2792545864223031296_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkJ6LmjtAw3WZbn66AB53RAyaRs04-27rJ-unEtcpYXNUkyqjfWhL6I7BtuQYpTBZOtWixgFV_ldc41SIugWPiG&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=cfef1303b8e4920ab0df2cdb2cd3727a&oe=5E64B309)
Gonna hold on to these for a while just in case the F4 fiasco is true. Only thing that sucks is they're the glow in the dark ones, I hate gimmicky stuff lol
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 31, 2019, 12:56:43 PM
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I will perpetuate this current rumor and add that I talked to the owner at my local and he heard from a reliable source in Cali that there is definitely something going on with the whole F4 fiasco. Apparently the guy who created the formula, a “urethane scientist” or whatever you’d call him, wanted more money from DLX and they said no, so he said peace. And since DLX doesn’t know exactly what’s in the secret sauce, he has the upper hand.
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Was in my local yesterday talked to the crew and they were told by their DLX rep some machinery in the factory went down and took a while to repair which created a back log in manufacturing and created the shortage of F4. DLX could just be blowing smoke while they get it sorted out, or could be the real reason and the rumor spawned from the shortage. The silence from the DLX dudes that post here is definitely saying something.

Someone man up and hit Jim T. on insta.

That's a better stance to take than "we're being held hostage by the urethane scientist". Dude's contract must be up (I hope he was under one as it was exclusive') and he wants more of that F4 cheddar seeing it is the most popular wheel on the market...hell BONES made natural looking wheels just to give the masses a different rusty potato to try and compete ffs. Haters gonna hate but the 99a Easy Streets are great wheels (looks like bones is dropping that and the 'natural' moniker and just using 99a STFs these days).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 31, 2019, 01:16:47 PM
This news upsets me. Would suck if true.
Funny enough I was cleaning my room out last night trying to declutter and I found this underneath a bunch of random crap, forgot I even had these or how I even got them cuz I sure as Hell don't remember buying em
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/75224743_1333011240200712_2792545864223031296_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkJ6LmjtAw3WZbn66AB53RAyaRs04-27rJ-unEtcpYXNUkyqjfWhL6I7BtuQYpTBZOtWixgFV_ldc41SIugWPiG&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=cfef1303b8e4920ab0df2cdb2cd3727a&oe=5E64B309)
Gonna hold on to these for a while just in case the F4 fiasco is true. Only thing that sucks is they're the glow in the dark ones, I hate gimmicky stuff lol

They look close enough to the standard F4 color. Just don’t skate them at night.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on October 31, 2019, 01:29:14 PM
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I will perpetuate this current rumor and add that I talked to the owner at my local and he heard from a reliable source in Cali that there is definitely something going on with the whole F4 fiasco. Apparently the guy who created the formula, a “urethane scientist” or whatever you’d call him, wanted more money from DLX and they said no, so he said peace. And since DLX doesn’t know exactly what’s in the secret sauce, he has the upper hand.
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Was in my local yesterday talked to the crew and they were told by their DLX rep some machinery in the factory went down and took a while to repair which created a back log in manufacturing and created the shortage of F4. DLX could just be blowing smoke while they get it sorted out, or could be the real reason and the rumor spawned from the shortage. The silence from the DLX dudes that post here is definitely saying something.

Someone man up and hit Jim T. on insta.
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That's a better stance to take than "we're being held hostage by the urethane scientist". Dude's contract must be up (I hope he was under one as it was exclusive') and he wants more of that F4 cheddar seeing it is the most popular wheel on the market...hell BONES made natural looking wheels just to give the masses a different rusty potato to try and compete ffs. Haters gonna hate but the 99a Easy Streets are great wheels (looks like bones is dropping that and the 'natural' moniker and just using 99a STFs these days).

"rusty potato" got me.

If the next wheel company isn't called that, I will riot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: E on October 31, 2019, 01:34:32 PM
Just copped a pair of 53MM F4 classics because you guys have me spooked.
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Post by: FROTHY on October 31, 2019, 02:20:56 PM
Can't believe I actually thought we'd burn fourever.
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Post by: johnes on October 31, 2019, 02:23:25 PM
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Stf gang all day

But really 99a gang all day

I will skate almost any 99a formula wheel

Or bones 100

I like the classic ole, 100’s, ricta naturals, spitfire classic, board brand wheels, pig, even oj
I just skate mini logo wheels now anyway. Def don’t feel as good as F4s but they get the job done.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on October 31, 2019, 02:32:47 PM
Can't believe I actually thought we'd burn fourever.

They’ve told us we would for soo long and then took it away
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nollie FS 180 on October 31, 2019, 03:24:32 PM
Where’s the proof? Rumors are rumors.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: curbslayer on October 31, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
everything is going to be ok
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on October 31, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
Someone get me some answers before I stock up on wheels apocalypse style.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 31, 2019, 06:10:37 PM
Someone get me some answers before I stock up on wheels apocalypse style.

See, you know if everything was ok, those DLX boys would chime in and say "It's all good" ;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FROTHY on October 31, 2019, 06:21:39 PM
SLAP rn

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on October 31, 2019, 07:13:18 PM
Checked two local shops over the last two days and both are really low on F4s and trying hard to get more. Both had different explanations ranging from equipment issues to the shipping guy got fired....

This could be an elaborate marketing plan as I am also very close to stocking up on some back up sets....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: palelight on October 31, 2019, 07:21:46 PM
Checked two local shops over the last two days and both are really low on F4s and trying hard to get more. Both had different explanations ranging from equipment issues to the shipping guy got fired....

This could be an elaborate marketing plan as I am also very close to stocking up on some back up sets....

Got a similarly vague response here as well ('shipping' issues). Although I'm in Canada so it's all coming through Supra distribution. So if any other Canadian members get a wildly different response that would raise some flags for me.

Bought 2 sets just in case. Don't think I'd stockpile if they do end up being done. Tried to keep going with Stage 8 Indy's long after they stopped making them, it was a fairly consistent pain in the ass which bordered on anxiety (you end up turning into a helicopter mom about your board). 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on October 31, 2019, 09:01:35 PM
I took it to Insta like a man




(https://i.imgur.com/fr3DCEU.png)https://i.imgur.com/fr3DCEU.png
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on October 31, 2019, 09:30:23 PM
Slap Spitfire sleuth squad success
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on October 31, 2019, 10:28:32 PM
What he really meant was the formula blueprints have been obtained and the source...neutralized.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on October 31, 2019, 11:44:55 PM
What he really meant was the formula blueprints have been obtained and the source...neutralized.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/45hm9pIpLlE76/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on November 01, 2019, 04:58:45 AM
the_unknown_soldier is the real MVP
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 01, 2019, 11:28:04 AM
the_unknown_soldier is the real MVP

This.

Also jim rules for responding like a man in the DM’s
A lot of people would be leaving that shit on seen.

Another reason why dlx is the best
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on November 01, 2019, 11:48:19 AM
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This.

Also jim rules for responding like a man in the DM’s
A lot of people would be leaving that shit on seen.

Another reason why dlx is the best

I like to imagine that DM responses from industry people on stuff like this are because our shitposting is just too powerful and they have to throw in the towel before everyone starts believing a rumor that F4 production is moving to a factory on the moon. 
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Post by: Esmith5488 on November 01, 2019, 11:57:18 AM
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the_unknown_soldier is the real MVP
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This.

Also jim rules for responding like a man in the DM’s
A lot of people would be leaving that shit on seen.

Another reason why dlx is the best
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I like to imagine that DM responses from industry people on stuff like this are because our shitposting is just too powerful and they have to throw in the towel before everyone starts believing a rumor that F4 production is moving to a factory on the moon.

I’m sure that’s it but I’m always going to give those guys the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on November 01, 2019, 12:54:51 PM
Slight tangent, but want to add that I off handedly posted about a Real snapping after two weeks in a thread and Deluxe contacted me for a replacement. Way beyond what I was expecting.

Deluxe. They’re for the culture.

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: I AM on November 03, 2019, 08:09:06 PM
hmmm so if ppl at dlx are reading this thread...

PLEASE MAKE A 60MM CONICAL FULL F4 IN THE STANDARD LINEUP

PLEASE MAKE ALL THUNDERS COME WITH WHITE BUSHINGS AND SILVER HARDWARE

PLEASE MAKE BLEACHED/PURE WHITE FORMULA FOURS
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on November 03, 2019, 09:10:16 PM
hmmm so if ppl at dlx are reading this thread...

PLEASE MAKE A 60MM CONICAL FULL F4 IN THE STANDARD LINEUP

PLEASE MAKE ALL THUNDERS COME WITH WHITE BUSHINGS AND SILVER HARDWARE

PLEASE MAKE BLEACHED/PURE WHITE FORMULA FOURS

I second that emotion
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on November 03, 2019, 10:05:58 PM
Imagine this fiasco happening before ig. People would be looting and rioting skateshops around the world.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on November 03, 2019, 10:17:51 PM
Imagine this fiasco happening before ig. People would be looting and rioting skateshops around the world.

But would word get out as fast? Hmmm...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on November 03, 2019, 11:23:17 PM
Any good bad feedback about the tablets?? U guys who got them like them?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on November 04, 2019, 04:06:58 AM
Any good bad feedback about the tablets?? U guys who got them like them?

Love them, have my second set on currently. Have a third and fourth on ice waiting to be ridden.

I prefer them over the classic shape
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on November 04, 2019, 04:47:44 AM
Yeah I absolutely love the tablets. Everything feels good, I personally think they looks good, and they really do feel nice on tougher ground.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on November 04, 2019, 06:26:48 AM
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But would word get out as fast? Hmmm...
Slap was here before ig.
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Post by: HyenaChaser on November 04, 2019, 07:14:22 AM
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Imagine this fiasco happening before ig. People would be looting and rioting skateshops around the world.
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But would word get out as fast? Hmmm...
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Slap was here before ig.

Ah, word
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on November 04, 2019, 10:12:31 AM
Any good bad feedback about the tablets?? U guys who got them like them?

I don't really like them to be honest. Feels harder to get into slappies and unless you really need the wider contact patch right away because you skate rougher spots, I don't see any advantage they have over radial slims which feel more nimble, are more agile in a sense with the slight taper, and lock in just as well.

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they're still really good wheels as are all spitfire f4s. but if we're breaking down the minor differences i definitely prefer radial slims a bit more.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ohthembones on November 04, 2019, 11:03:08 AM
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I don't really like them to be honest. Feels harder to get into slappies and unless you really need the wider contact patch right away because you skate rougher spots, I don't see any advantage they have over radial slims which feel more nimble, are more agile in a sense with the slight taper, and lock in just as well.

I feel exactly the same. I stopped skating them and switched to a Bones Easy Streets V4 until I can get get some more Radials or Radial Slims (two shapes we haven't had available over here in like 6 months). They were nice for cruising down the rough streets but as soon as I did anything else (especially mini-ramp) that super squared off shape was a hinderance. The only reason I tried them is because of the Great Spitfire Shortage of 2019. I'm actually liking the Bones a lot more than I thought I would. Depending on how they hold up I may be sticking with them for awhile.
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Post by: Esmith5488 on November 04, 2019, 02:18:07 PM
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I don't really like them to be honest. Feels harder to get into slappies and unless you really need the wider contact patch right away because you skate rougher spots, I don't see any advantage they have over radial slims which feel more nimble, are more agile in a sense with the slight taper, and lock in just as well.

Same, I came from radial slims and I’m just kinda waiting for my tablets to get to a point where I feel like getting a new set. They are fine I just think the Slims have a little more going for them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 04, 2019, 04:26:10 PM
the classic shape is the best!

just ordered another set due to this fucking thread.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheO7herOne on November 04, 2019, 04:36:37 PM
you all saved me from buying some tablets today, good looking out .
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Coffee on November 04, 2019, 04:45:27 PM
Was about to buy some 52mm tablets since I ride venture lows but I’m also about to switch to thunder hi’s and my local shop has some 54mm conicals I’ve got my eye on so skipping the tablets.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 04, 2019, 08:24:13 PM
Classics or radial slims👌
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Post by: Esmith5488 on November 05, 2019, 06:21:13 AM
Classics or radial slims👌

I haven’t had classics in a few years now that I think about it. I think if I see a set of 53’s next time I’m at vu I might grab a set
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Post by: arrbee on November 05, 2019, 06:27:25 AM
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I haven’t had classics in a few years now that I think about it. I think if I see a set of 53’s next time I’m at vu I might grab a set

He just posted a DLX re-up
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 05, 2019, 08:19:34 AM
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I haven’t had classics in a few years now that I think about it. I think if I see a set of 53’s next time I’m at vu I might grab a set
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He just posted a DLX re-up

Oh yeah I did see that. Hopefully I’ll get time this week to hit the park and swing through the shop
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on November 05, 2019, 11:52:10 PM
Thanks. glad I skipped the tablets than. Ordered some f4 radials never had f4s before looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 06, 2019, 03:31:09 AM
Thanks. glad I skipped the tablets than. Ordered some f4 radials never had f4s before looking forward to it.
they last twice as long as any other wheelbrand, slide in all the right places and are pretty much impossible to flatspot.
It’s going to be hard for you to skate anything else now ☺️
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 06, 2019, 06:02:07 AM
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they last twice as long as any other wheelbrand, slide in all the right places and are pretty much impossible to flatspot.
It’s going to be hard for you to skate anything else now ☺️

First time on F4? Be prepared to never be able to ride another wheel. Everything else to me just feels lesser
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 06, 2019, 07:39:14 AM
I don't think F4s are faster than SPF in park or STF in streets or last as long as either  BUT they are a far  superior wheel to both Bones formulas. F4s just feel way better on all terrain. And I like they slip to grip ratio far better on F4s also.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 07, 2019, 03:16:17 AM
Thanks. glad I skipped the tablets than. Ordered some f4 radials never had f4s before looking forward to it.
99 or 101?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ultrabra on November 07, 2019, 09:42:18 AM
Spitfire formula four 100, in the shape of an Bones V3. Heaven.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skart on November 07, 2019, 11:22:24 AM
Radial slims feel/look soo nice in person man. Should have bought a set a long time ago
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on November 07, 2019, 01:06:20 PM
are radials the best shape?

I think they might be.

those oski 57mm radial 99a must b real nice
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thebacker on November 07, 2019, 01:28:07 PM
are radials the best shape?

I think they might be.

those oski 57mm radial 99a must b real nice

conical fulls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tt0Fq8kmTA
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Post by: palelight on November 07, 2019, 01:45:17 PM
are radials the best shape?

I think they might be.

those oski 57mm radial 99a must b real nice

For me, the standard radials are the best. Wish they'd offer them more consistently, but I'm guessing they're not nearly as popular as classics and conicals.
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Post by: sharkin on November 07, 2019, 01:57:09 PM
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I think they might be.

those oski 57mm radial 99a must b real nice
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conical fulls

mm nice

you never forget your first

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: B0udoir on November 07, 2019, 02:15:15 PM
And I like they slip to grip ratio far better on F4s also.

This. With F4s you can instinctually feel the saddle point when the grip transition to slip. You know how much amount of pressure you have to put to slide or not. I mean, they are predictable.

Concerning the shape: radial slim or classic, indeed. Depends if you prefer more lock or a better roll over copping. Conicals (and especially the fulls) offer a great stability when rolling though, I would recommend them for beginners.
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Post by: colinquinn on November 07, 2019, 06:42:38 PM
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I think they might be.

those oski 57mm radial 99a must b real nice
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conical fulls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tt0Fq8kmTA

This. I drank the wide wheel kool-aid hard, (other than radials) other shapes just dainty.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on November 07, 2019, 10:30:34 PM
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are radials the best shape?

I think they might be.

those oski 57mm radial 99a must b real nice
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conical fulls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tt0Fq8kmTA
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This. I drank the wide wheel kool-aid hard, (other than radials) other shapes just dainty.

There is no wheel but the one true wheel, and Conical Full F4 is his name
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on November 08, 2019, 12:25:33 AM
are radials the best shape?

I think they might be.

I made the switch this year from conical full to radial and I’m very happy, from a wheel standpoint at least.

The rest of my life sucks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on November 08, 2019, 02:33:43 AM
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99 or 101?

99 loving the shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jud Nestorkins on November 08, 2019, 04:33:37 AM
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I haven’t had classics in a few years now that I think about it. I think if I see a set of 53’s next time I’m at vu I might grab a set
50mm 101 F4 Classics are the best wheel ever made.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 08, 2019, 02:48:49 PM
I ordered some of the Quartersnacks Formula Fours and I was very pleasantly surprised to open the box and find an airfreshener that made my wheels smell like a snack :)
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Post by: Esmith5488 on November 08, 2019, 04:49:56 PM
I ordered some of the Quartersnacks Formula Fours and I was very pleasantly surprised to open the box and find an airfreshener that made my wheels smell like a snack :)

Where did you order them from ?
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Post by: pizzafliptofakie on November 08, 2019, 05:33:13 PM
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I ordered some of the Quartersnacks Formula Fours and I was very pleasantly surprised to open the box and find an airfreshener that made my wheels smell like a snack :)
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Where did you order them from ?

https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/parts/wheels/spitfire/f4-99-sf-x-qs-classic-wheels-white-pid-53308
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Post by: Esmith5488 on November 08, 2019, 05:49:36 PM
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I ordered some of the Quartersnacks Formula Fours and I was very pleasantly surprised to open the box and find an airfreshener that made my wheels smell like a snack :)
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Where did you order them from ?
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https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/parts/wheels/spitfire/f4-99-sf-x-qs-classic-wheels-white-pid-53308

Thanks, I shoulda checked cowtown.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on November 09, 2019, 01:42:24 PM
I’m on mobile so a link is the best I can do. Spitfire IG posted the FTC collab pieces, including what looks like OG Classics in F4.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B4qPEogFZYS/?igshid=1bqy8oq4ob4be
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MOE SYZLAK on November 10, 2019, 04:33:03 PM
ok so, I’ve had a hook up with sone other wheel brands  for the past 5 years or so , but... it just ran its course. So I picked up my first set of formula 4’s today . I went with the AA conical full 55mm. I’ve heard everyone rave about them , ready to see if they live up to the hype
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on November 14, 2019, 06:02:51 PM
“The drought is over” apparently  but checking the site it’s all the colored ones ..
https://www.instagram.com/p/B43a1oXgKuQ/?igshid=5nvokk7y7p79
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on November 14, 2019, 08:32:25 PM
ok so, I’ve had a hook up with sone other wheel brands  for the past 5 years or so , but... it just ran its course. So I picked up my first set of formula 4’s today . I went with the AA conical full 55mm. I’ve heard everyone rave about them , ready to see if they live up to the hype

In my opinion that very wheel is the actual Perfect Wheel.
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Post by: rocklobster on November 14, 2019, 08:49:51 PM
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ok so, I’ve had a hook up with sone other wheel brands  for the past 5 years or so , but... it just ran its course. So I picked up my first set of formula 4’s today . I went with the AA conical full 55mm. I’ve heard everyone rave about them , ready to see if they live up to the hype
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In my opinion that very wheel is the actual Perfect Wheel.

Kindly explain your position on this. Why this over a Radial Slim or a Classic? Genuinely curious, just getting into wheel madness.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 14, 2019, 09:19:32 PM
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ok so, I’ve had a hook up with sone other wheel brands  for the past 5 years or so , but... it just ran its course. So I picked up my first set of formula 4’s today . I went with the AA conical full 55mm. I’ve heard everyone rave about them , ready to see if they live up to the hype
[close]

In my opinion that very wheel is the actual Perfect Wheel.
[close]

Kindly explain your position on this. Why this over a Radial Slim or a Classic? Genuinely curious, just getting into wheel madness.

ive tried; classic, classic wide, classic thin, radial, raidal slim and conical fulls all in 99duro- and i always prefer the classic shape. i mostly skate street and some parks. everytime ive tried anything that isnt a classic i always wanna go back to what i've used.
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Post by: Xen on November 14, 2019, 09:51:12 PM
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ok so, I’ve had a hook up with sone other wheel brands  for the past 5 years or so , but... it just ran its course. So I picked up my first set of formula 4’s today . I went with the AA conical full 55mm. I’ve heard everyone rave about them , ready to see if they live up to the hype
[close]

In my opinion that very wheel is the actual Perfect Wheel.
[close]

Kindly explain your position on this. Why this over a Radial Slim or a Classic? Genuinely curious, just getting into wheel madness.
[close]

ive tried; classic, classic wide, classic thin, radial, raidal slim and conical fulls all in 99duro- and i always prefer the classic shape. i mostly skate street and some parks. everytime ive tried anything that isnt a classic i always wanna go back to what i've used.

I feel the same way but Radial Slims get a pass (don't see the need to ride Conicals, let alone 'full' wheels).
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Post by: HyenaChaser on November 14, 2019, 10:15:59 PM
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ok so, I’ve had a hook up with sone other wheel brands  for the past 5 years or so , but... it just ran its course. So I picked up my first set of formula 4’s today . I went with the AA conical full 55mm. I’ve heard everyone rave about them , ready to see if they live up to the hype
[close]

In my opinion that very wheel is the actual Perfect Wheel.
[close]

Kindly explain your position on this. Why this over a Radial Slim or a Classic? Genuinely curious, just getting into wheel madness.
[close]

ive tried; classic, classic wide, classic thin, radial, raidal slim and conical fulls all in 99duro- and i always prefer the classic shape. i mostly skate street and some parks. everytime ive tried anything that isnt a classic i always wanna go back to what i've used.
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I feel the same way but Radial Slims get a pass (don't see the need to ride Conicals, let alone 'full' wheels).

If you live in an area with fairly smooth ground or spend most of your time in the park then classics or anything else on offer is probably fine.

However if you live in an area with a little more adversity on the surface, Conicals help mitigate that roughness.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on November 15, 2019, 12:35:52 AM
You guys the real MVPs
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Post by: ClownOfTheDay on November 15, 2019, 05:31:57 AM
Those AA conicals fulls be looking nice as fuck.
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Post by: thebacker on November 15, 2019, 05:54:29 AM
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ok so, I’ve had a hook up with sone other wheel brands  for the past 5 years or so , but... it just ran its course. So I picked up my first set of formula 4’s today . I went with the AA conical full 55mm. I’ve heard everyone rave about them , ready to see if they live up to the hype
[close]

In my opinion that very wheel is the actual Perfect Wheel.
[close]

Kindly explain your position on this. Why this over a Radial Slim or a Classic? Genuinely curious, just getting into wheel madness.
[close]

ive tried; classic, classic wide, classic thin, radial, raidal slim and conical fulls all in 99duro- and i always prefer the classic shape. i mostly skate street and some parks. everytime ive tried anything that isnt a classic i always wanna go back to what i've used.
[close]

I feel the same way but Radial Slims get a pass (don't see the need to ride Conicals, let alone 'full' wheels).
[close]

If you live in an area with fairly smooth ground or spend most of your time in the park then classics or anything else on offer is probably fine.

However if you live in an area with a little more adversity on the surface, Conicals help mitigate that roughness.

this is spot on
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Post by: Mr. Stinky on November 15, 2019, 02:58:01 PM
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ok so, I’ve had a hook up with sone other wheel brands  for the past 5 years or so , but... it just ran its course. So I picked up my first set of formula 4’s today . I went with the AA conical full 55mm. I’ve heard everyone rave about them , ready to see if they live up to the hype
[close]

In my opinion that very wheel is the actual Perfect Wheel.
[close]

Kindly explain your position on this. Why this over a Radial Slim or a Classic? Genuinely curious, just getting into wheel madness.

Basically, I (badly) skate a little of everything, but mostly bowl, curbs/ledges, and some ditch stuff that's super close to where I live.  For what I do, the conical fulls have a really good shape for sliding when you want to but won't generally slip unless you're going real fast while turning real sharp, they're wide enough to handle some crust, and they feel more solid on landings.  Basically, they're just a burly wheel and feel like one.  I don't have a problem doing my three flip tricks with them, but the classics definitely help tricks pop a bit higher (skinnier, lighter, the bowed sidewall makes it easier for the wheel to tilt and leave the ground on scooped tricks). 

FWIW, I like the straight up classics next best after the conical fulls, but for all the complementary reasons: they're a daintier wheel that responds much more sensitively to input, which means stuff that works fine on other wheels might not fly on classics (and vice versa).  Basically, their big virtue is the same as their big vice: they slide around real easy on the ground.  If you find yourself slipping out on landings a lot, classics won't change that; but if you're sticking on landings and need a little more mobility to ride away, they'll definitely help.  Powerslides are the most fun on classics, though, because they just break into a slide like they're reading your mind. 

In the end, it's about what feels good, not about what anybody "needs" out of a wheel, so just try shit out if you can and ride what you like because it literally doesn't matter. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 15, 2019, 03:41:42 PM
Classics are my all time favorite shape, simply bc I dig they way they wear down, getting slightly wider as you go.
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ok so, I’ve had a hook up with sone other wheel brands  for the past 5 years or so , but... it just ran its course. So I picked up my first set of formula 4’s today . I went with the AA conical full 55mm. I’ve heard everyone rave about them , ready to see if they live up to the hype
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In my opinion that very wheel is the actual Perfect Wheel.
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Kindly explain your position on this. Why this over a Radial Slim or a Classic? Genuinely curious, just getting into wheel madness.
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ive tried; classic, classic wide, classic thin, radial, raidal slim and conical fulls all in 99duro- and i always prefer the classic shape. i mostly skate street and some parks. everytime ive tried anything that isnt a classic i always wanna go back to what i've used.
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I feel the same way but Radial Slims get a pass (don't see the need to ride Conicals, let alone 'full' wheels).
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If you live in an area with fairly smooth ground or spend most of your time in the park then classics or anything else on offer is probably fine.

However if you live in an area with a little more adversity on the surface, Conicals help mitigate that roughness.

Radial Slims are a perfect median between the Conicals and Classics.  Rounded edge so you can still slappy but it's squared with a large contact patch so you still lock in super well and are able to comfortably ride crusty spots.  If I could only ride one wheel it would probably be 99a Radial Slims.  They're nice on smaller trucks too because you actually have some space to grind.  Conical Fulls and Radials are way too big for anything under 8.5 IMO but that's just my preference.

Regular Conicals and Radial Slims are very similar though but I really feel like the Radial Slims are a better wheel.  Also Conicals only come in like three sizes while Radial Slims come in twice as many.  Really this is nitpicking though.  If you like one you will like the other as well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 17, 2019, 03:43:54 AM
Radial slims are my favorite wheel, basically waiting for the tablets I have now to be done to get another set, although I’m thinking about giving a set of f4 classics again
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on November 17, 2019, 05:20:58 AM
Just ordered a set of 101 tablets in 51mm. Been riding bones 50s the skinny ones, think v4? Not sure why but I had the urge to try out spitfire f4. Hoping to like them I like really small wheels and the tablets seemed to be a good choice. I’ll report back
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Microforrest on November 17, 2019, 07:10:06 AM
what do you new england guys ride? I got some 56mm conical full right now, and they feel way to big. they're great on hills, but I feel I could get a slimmer and smaller wheel that will do about the same, the only problem is the god awful pavement up here.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 17, 2019, 07:19:46 AM
I've been skating classics 99 for like one year, pretty happy with it but is time for a little change so I got some radial slims 101, super curious about it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spanyard on November 17, 2019, 11:08:38 AM
Should I try riding 101 radial slims for the 6-months-of-winter indoor park madness I'm about to embark on?
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Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 17, 2019, 02:14:54 PM
101 radial slims are sliiiiiickkk.... I credit them with learning backside power slides. But I tend to go 99s or even classic formula for winter. But I'm old and nervous so don't listen to me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on November 17, 2019, 10:20:40 PM
Radial slims are my favorite wheel, basically waiting for the tablets I have now to be done to get another set, although I’m thinking about giving a set of f4 classics again

How do you like the Tablets?  Other than being smoother on crusty ground is there anything else that you really like about them when compared to Radial Slims?  I'm sure they lock into 50/50s and nose/tail grinds really well but I'm guessing the rounded edge of the Radial Slims makes them better for Crooks, Feebles/Smiths, all slappies, wallrides, and powerslides/reverts.  Anything I'm missing?  I might buy a set of them (for the larger of my two street setups) if I can't find Conical Fulls in the size or duro I need.  Seems like they are overstocked on Tablets but understocked on Conical Fulls.

Should I try riding 101 radial slims for the 6-months-of-winter indoor park madness I'm about to embark on?

Absolutely not, go with 99s.  No reason to go harder for an indoor park and honestly I think the 99s would be better at most outdoor spots as well.  I’m riding 52mm 99a Radial Slims and they’re awesome everywhere but Skatelite transition. I can’t imagine 101as.  99as are manageable but they are still too slick on Skatelite in my opinion.

They are, however, awesome everywhere other than the tranny sections.  I’m loving them on Skatelite/wood boxes and ledges.  There’s no reason to go 101a as these 99as slide just fine.  Even backside boardslides and front lips on boxes glide with no resistance for me.

101 radial slims are sliiiiiickkk.... I credit them with learning backside power slides. But I tend to go 99s or even classic formula for winter. But I'm old and nervous so don't listen to me.

Nah, you’re right dude.  I even find the 99a F4s too slick for me on Skatelite transition.  If I could only have one wheel I’d stick with them but I’m going to try to find another wheel for Skatelite bowls and minis.  The 99as also work really well at my local outdoor concrete park on hot summer days.  I mainly skate ledges, manny pads and banks/hips & I usually ride Thunders which have short base plates.  I’ve never had an issue with them not being slick enough to power through a slides or reverts.  Honestly they seems to slide better than my 103a STFs.  They’re very predictable and consistent with how they slide as well.

I’ll probably try some in 101s this summer but I really doubt that I’ll prefer them over the 99s.

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If anyone is wondering what the dimensions of the Radial Slims look like here ya go.  I’ve only hand two actual full sessions on them so they’re not worn down at all.

52mm Radial Slims, Thunder Hollow Light II 147s (8.0” Axles), 8.0” x 32.375” Quasi deck, & Pennies for scale.

(https://i.imgur.com/MzNBmqS.jpg)
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on November 17, 2019, 11:42:53 PM
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Radial slims are my favorite wheel, basically waiting for the tablets I have now to be done to get another set, although I’m thinking about giving a set of f4 classics again
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How do you like the Tablets?  Other than being smoother on crusty ground is there anything else that you really like about them when compared to Radial Slims?  I'm sure they lock into 50/50s and nose/tail grinds really well but I'm guessing the rounded edge of the Radial Slims makes them better for Crooks, Feebles/Smiths, all slappies, wallrides, and powerslides/reverts.  Anything I'm missing?  I might buy a set of them (for the larger of my two street setups) if I can't find Conical Fulls in the size or duro I need.  Seems like they are overstocked on Tablets but understocked on Conical Fulls.

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Absolutely not, go with 99s.  No reason to go harder for an indoor park and honestly I think the 99s would be better at most outdoor spots as well.  I’m riding 52mm 99a Radial Slims and they’re awesome everywhere but Skatelite transition. I can’t imagine 101as.  99as are manageable but they are still too slick on Skatelite in my opinion.

They are, however, awesome everywhere other than the tranny sections.  I’m loving them on Skatelite/wood boxes and ledges.  There’s no reason to go 101a as these 99as slide just fine.  Even backside boardslides and front lips on boxes glide with no resistance for me.

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101 radial slims are sliiiiiickkk.... I credit them with learning backside power slides. But I tend to go 99s or even classic formula for winter. But I'm old and nervous so don't listen to me.
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Nah, you’re right dude.  I even find the 99a F4s too slick for me on Skatelite transition.  If I could only have one wheel I’d stick with them but I’m going to try to find another wheel for Skatelite bowls and minis.  The 99as also work really well at my local outdoor concrete park on hot summer days.  I mainly skate ledges, manny pads and banks/hips & I usually ride Thunders which have short base plates.  I’ve never had an issue with them not being slick enough to power through a slides or reverts.  Honestly they seems to slide better than my 103a STFs.  They’re very predictable and consistent with how they slide as well.

I’ll probably try some in 101s this summer but I really doubt that I’ll prefer them over the 99s.

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If anyone is wondering what the dimensions of the Radial Slims look like here ya go.  I’ve only hand two actual full sessions on them so they’re not worn down at all.

52mm Radial Slims, Thunder Hollow Light II 147s (8.0” Axles), 8.0” x 32.375” Quasi deck, & Pennies for scale.

(https://i.imgur.com/MzNBmqS.jpg)
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Whats the WB on the board? That tail is looking fat and poppy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: imuseless on November 18, 2019, 04:49:29 AM
Those AA conicals fulls be looking nice as fuck.

Already copped a set to wait for spring. 8)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on November 18, 2019, 05:32:06 AM
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Those AA conicals fulls be looking nice as fuck.
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Already copped a set to wait for spring. 8)
might have to do the same, Christmas is coming. so maybe they'll have a sale.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on November 18, 2019, 03:52:49 PM
WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on November 18, 2019, 05:13:45 PM
WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck

8.0 x 14.25 sounds like a good ratio, I rode a Habitat 8.18 x 32 x 14.25 with a mellow concave. The width felt great but too long to flip comfortably. Setup a 7.75 board last week and there is no way I can ride that size anymore; way to squirrely coupled with the 14" WB felt too short.

the 32.375 length does look a little heft though.

Looks like I'm getting myself some Quasi boards for xmas!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on November 18, 2019, 05:54:53 PM
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WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck
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8.0 x 14.25 sounds like a good ratio, I rode a Habitat 8.18 x 32 x 14.25 with a mellow concave. The width felt great but too long to flip comfortably. Setup a 7.75 board last week and there is no way I can ride that size anymore; way to squirrely coupled with the 14" WB felt too short.

the 32.375 length does look a little heft though.

Looks like I'm getting myself some Quasi boards for xmas!

I think you’ll like it.  The wide kicks helps with the length a ton. I couldn’t imagine narrow ass Baker Boy kicks on a board this long but with this shape I find it perfect.  I’m 5’11/6’ish tall so I’m not super tall or short and I find it very comfortable.  Habitat has a 8.125 NASA board in a similar shape that I might try.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on November 18, 2019, 06:26:18 PM
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WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck
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8.0 x 14.25 sounds like a good ratio, I rode a Habitat 8.18 x 32 x 14.25 with a mellow concave. The width felt great but too long to flip comfortably. Setup a 7.75 board last week and there is no way I can ride that size anymore; way to squirrely coupled with the 14" WB felt too short.

the 32.375 length does look a little heft though.

Looks like I'm getting myself some Quasi boards for xmas!
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I think you’ll like it.  The wide kicks helps with the length a ton. I couldn’t imagine narrow ass Baker Boy kicks on a board this long but with this shape I find it perfect.  I’m 5’11/6’ish tall so I’m not super tall or short and I find it very comfortable.  Habitat has a 8.125 NASA board in a similar shape that I might try.

I'm 5 foot 6 inches so thanks for making me feel tiny, you dick. (JK of course)

I'll get one of the Quasi boards over xmas, been looking for a board with a larger nose and tail.

The older Dwindle boards from the 2000s and Mini Logos used to have tiny tails; rode extremely well for a short period until you got razor tail then they were impossible to skate afterwards.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on November 18, 2019, 06:40:23 PM
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WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck
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8.0 x 14.25 sounds like a good ratio, I rode a Habitat 8.18 x 32 x 14.25 with a mellow concave. The width felt great but too long to flip comfortably. Setup a 7.75 board last week and there is no way I can ride that size anymore; way to squirrely coupled with the 14" WB felt too short.

the 32.375 length does look a little heft though.

Looks like I'm getting myself some Quasi boards for xmas!
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I think you’ll like it.  The wide kicks helps with the length a ton. I couldn’t imagine narrow ass Baker Boy kicks on a board this long but with this shape I find it perfect.  I’m 5’11/6’ish tall so I’m not super tall or short and I find it very comfortable.  Habitat has a 8.125 NASA board in a similar shape that I might try.
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I'm 5 foot 6 inches so thanks for making me feel tiny, you dick. (JK of course)

I'll get one of the Quasi boards over xmas, been looking for a board with a larger nose and tail.

The older Dwindle boards from the 2000s and Mini Logos used to have tiny tails; rode extremely well for a short period until you got razor tail then they were impossible to skate afterwards.

Bro those Dwindles did razor tail like crazy... 9-10 year old me can relate.  Look at my fucking nose in this picture... I saw it semi-recently and it reminded me of how shitty that wood was.  I was just WAY too big of a Chris Cole/Chief fan at the time to switch woodshops though.  When I switched to being a Dr. Z fanboy and started riding Zoo York (Chapman) boards a couple of years later it was a night and day difference.  Those things kept their pop and lasted forever.

(https://i.imgur.com/pBJgNjC.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on November 18, 2019, 07:58:24 PM
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WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck
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8.0 x 14.25 sounds like a good ratio, I rode a Habitat 8.18 x 32 x 14.25 with a mellow concave. The width felt great but too long to flip comfortably. Setup a 7.75 board last week and there is no way I can ride that size anymore; way to squirrely coupled with the 14" WB felt too short.

the 32.375 length does look a little heft though.

Looks like I'm getting myself some Quasi boards for xmas!
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I think you’ll like it.  The wide kicks helps with the length a ton. I couldn’t imagine narrow ass Baker Boy kicks on a board this long but with this shape I find it perfect.  I’m 5’11/6’ish tall so I’m not super tall or short and I find it very comfortable.  Habitat has a 8.125 NASA board in a similar shape that I might try.
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I'm 5 foot 6 inches so thanks for making me feel tiny, you dick. (JK of course)

I'll get one of the Quasi boards over xmas, been looking for a board with a larger nose and tail.

The older Dwindle boards from the 2000s and Mini Logos used to have tiny tails; rode extremely well for a short period until you got razor tail then they were impossible to skate afterwards.
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Bro those Dwindles did razor tail like crazy... 9-10 year old me can relate.  Look at my fucking nose in this picture... I saw it semi-recently and it reminded me of how shitty that wood was.  I was just WAY too big of a Chris Cole/Chief fan at the time to switch woodshops though.  When I switched to being a Dr. Z fanboy and started riding Zoo York (Chapman) boards a couple of years later it was a night and day difference.  Those things kept their pop and lasted forever.

(https://i.imgur.com/pBJgNjC.jpg)

I used to be a sucker for Darkstar boards, at 7.75 the tails were incredibly short but very snappy while they lasted. Never realized the difference in woodshops until I rode my first Zero board, back when they were still pressed in Mexico.

Zered Basset was and is still a fucking G, City of Killer and Vicious Cycle is filled with so many Dr. Z banger; he always made his switch tricks look especially stylish.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on November 18, 2019, 11:54:09 PM
Found all of these in my box of skate stuff in my storage. Forgot I had these radial slims. I remember getting the F4 classics not too ago and then I just threw them in the box.

Never rode the slims yet so I’m gonna set those up.

(https://i.ibb.co/FbZP0K2/83-D50300-5930-4787-AA59-91-DAE24716-F1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kgbd9xj)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on November 19, 2019, 12:22:54 AM
Found all of these in my box of skate stuff in my storage. Forgot I had these radial slims. I remember getting the F4 classics not too ago and then I just threw them in the box.

Never rode the slims yet so I’m gonna set those up.

(https://i.ibb.co/FbZP0K2/83-D50300-5930-4787-AA59-91-DAE24716-F1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kgbd9xj)

Radial Slims with the red and gold color scheme are sexy as hell
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on November 19, 2019, 03:40:25 AM
Always struggle finding the mm size sticker on those spitfire packages they usually just fall off
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spanyard on November 19, 2019, 05:38:55 AM
Found all of these in my box of skate stuff in my storage. Forgot I had these radial slims. I remember getting the F4 classics not too ago and then I just threw them in the box.

Never rode the slims yet so I’m gonna set those up.

(https://i.ibb.co/FbZP0K2/83-D50300-5930-4787-AA59-91-DAE24716-F1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kgbd9xj)

I'd trade you a brand new in package set of radial slims 101s 53 mm if you want a slightly harder duro...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on November 19, 2019, 04:35:26 PM
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Found all of these in my box of skate stuff in my storage. Forgot I had these radial slims. I remember getting the F4 classics not too ago and then I just threw them in the box.

Never rode the slims yet so I’m gonna set those up.
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I'd trade you a brand new in package set of radial slims 101s 53 mm if you want a slightly harder duro...

Thanks. But I like the 99 duro. I also only ride 50 or 51 mm. The slimmer the profile the better for me. I still ride low trucks so 50/51 are perfect for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LordManHammer on November 19, 2019, 04:50:03 PM
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WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck
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8.0 x 14.25 sounds like a good ratio, I rode a Habitat 8.18 x 32 x 14.25 with a mellow concave. The width felt great but too long to flip comfortably. Setup a 7.75 board last week and there is no way I can ride that size anymore; way to squirrely coupled with the 14" WB felt too short.

the 32.375 length does look a little heft though.

Looks like I'm getting myself some Quasi boards for xmas!
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I think you’ll like it.  The wide kicks helps with the length a ton. I couldn’t imagine narrow ass Baker Boy kicks on a board this long but with this shape I find it perfect.  I’m 5’11/6’ish tall so I’m not super tall or short and I find it very comfortable.  Habitat has a 8.125 NASA board in a similar shape that I might try.
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I'm 5 foot 6 inches so thanks for making me feel tiny, you dick. (JK of course)

I'll get one of the Quasi boards over xmas, been looking for a board with a larger nose and tail.

The older Dwindle boards from the 2000s and Mini Logos used to have tiny tails; rode extremely well for a short period until you got razor tail then they were impossible to skate afterwards.
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Bro those Dwindles did razor tail like crazy... 9-10 year old me can relate.  Look at my fucking nose in this picture... I saw it semi-recently and it reminded me of how shitty that wood was.  I was just WAY too big of a Chris Cole/Chief fan at the time to switch woodshops though.  When I switched to being a Dr. Z fanboy and started riding Zoo York (Chapman) boards a couple of years later it was a night and day difference.  Those things kept their pop and lasted forever.

(https://i.imgur.com/pBJgNjC.jpg)
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I used to be a sucker for Darkstar boards, at 7.75 the tails were incredibly short but very snappy while they lasted. Never realized the difference in woodshops until I rode my first Zero board, back when they were still pressed in Mexico.

Zered Basset was and is still a fucking G, City of Killer and Vicious Cycle is filled with so many Dr. Z banger; he always made his switch tricks look especially stylish.
Sorry to roast your setup but those wheels what the fuck?! Gross black wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 19, 2019, 05:13:18 PM
Oh another thing someone pointed out on here was the fact that the bearings sit so much more into the classics vs the radial slims.
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Post by: rocklobster on November 19, 2019, 06:04:22 PM
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WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck
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8.0 x 14.25 sounds like a good ratio, I rode a Habitat 8.18 x 32 x 14.25 with a mellow concave. The width felt great but too long to flip comfortably. Setup a 7.75 board last week and there is no way I can ride that size anymore; way to squirrely coupled with the 14" WB felt too short.

the 32.375 length does look a little heft though.

Looks like I'm getting myself some Quasi boards for xmas!
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I think you’ll like it.  The wide kicks helps with the length a ton. I couldn’t imagine narrow ass Baker Boy kicks on a board this long but with this shape I find it perfect.  I’m 5’11/6’ish tall so I’m not super tall or short and I find it very comfortable.  Habitat has a 8.125 NASA board in a similar shape that I might try.
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I'm 5 foot 6 inches so thanks for making me feel tiny, you dick. (JK of course)

I'll get one of the Quasi boards over xmas, been looking for a board with a larger nose and tail.

The older Dwindle boards from the 2000s and Mini Logos used to have tiny tails; rode extremely well for a short period until you got razor tail then they were impossible to skate afterwards.
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Bro those Dwindles did razor tail like crazy... 9-10 year old me can relate.  Look at my fucking nose in this picture... I saw it semi-recently and it reminded me of how shitty that wood was.  I was just WAY too big of a Chris Cole/Chief fan at the time to switch woodshops though.  When I switched to being a Dr. Z fanboy and started riding Zoo York (Chapman) boards a couple of years later it was a night and day difference.  Those things kept their pop and lasted forever.

(https://i.imgur.com/pBJgNjC.jpg)
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I used to be a sucker for Darkstar boards, at 7.75 the tails were incredibly short but very snappy while they lasted. Never realized the difference in woodshops until I rode my first Zero board, back when they were still pressed in Mexico.

Zered Basset was and is still a fucking G, City of Killer and Vicious Cycle is filled with so many Dr. Z banger; he always made his switch tricks look especially stylish.
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Sorry to roast your setup but those wheels what the fuck?! Gross black wheels

We all went through this phase in our lives
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on November 19, 2019, 08:14:44 PM
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WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck
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8.0 x 14.25 sounds like a good ratio, I rode a Habitat 8.18 x 32 x 14.25 with a mellow concave. The width felt great but too long to flip comfortably. Setup a 7.75 board last week and there is no way I can ride that size anymore; way to squirrely coupled with the 14" WB felt too short.

the 32.375 length does look a little heft though.

Looks like I'm getting myself some Quasi boards for xmas!
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I think you’ll like it.  The wide kicks helps with the length a ton. I couldn’t imagine narrow ass Baker Boy kicks on a board this long but with this shape I find it perfect.  I’m 5’11/6’ish tall so I’m not super tall or short and I find it very comfortable.  Habitat has a 8.125 NASA board in a similar shape that I might try.
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I'm 5 foot 6 inches so thanks for making me feel tiny, you dick. (JK of course)

I'll get one of the Quasi boards over xmas, been looking for a board with a larger nose and tail.

The older Dwindle boards from the 2000s and Mini Logos used to have tiny tails; rode extremely well for a short period until you got razor tail then they were impossible to skate afterwards.
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Bro those Dwindles did razor tail like crazy... 9-10 year old me can relate.  Look at my fucking nose in this picture... I saw it semi-recently and it reminded me of how shitty that wood was.  I was just WAY too big of a Chris Cole/Chief fan at the time to switch woodshops though.  When I switched to being a Dr. Z fanboy and started riding Zoo York (Chapman) boards a couple of years later it was a night and day difference.  Those things kept their pop and lasted forever.

(https://i.imgur.com/pBJgNjC.jpg)
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I used to be a sucker for Darkstar boards, at 7.75 the tails were incredibly short but very snappy while they lasted. Never realized the difference in woodshops until I rode my first Zero board, back when they were still pressed in Mexico.

Zered Basset was and is still a fucking G, City of Killer and Vicious Cycle is filled with so many Dr. Z banger; he always made his switch tricks look especially stylish.
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Sorry to roast your setup but those wheels what the fuck?! Gross black wheels

They were a Christmas present and I was 9 years old lol.  I think my parents got me them since they matched the deck I asked for.  They’re the only colored wheels I’ve ever had and they flat spotted quick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: colinquinn on November 20, 2019, 12:15:26 AM
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WB is 14.25 on that Quasi.  Honestly I find Quasi’s 8.0s to have the best shape. I wish they had wider boards in the same dimensions... it’s super frustrating.  I’d kill for an 8.25-8.5 with the same shape.  All their larger sizes with a 14.25 WB have shorter tails and overall lengths.

This board is the exact same shape.  I got lucky with a mellow concave but a decent height to the tail and nose.  Honestly for an 8” deck it is hard to beat for my preferences.  It feels much more comfortable and roomy than most boards this size.  My size 12 foot doesn’t feel too large like they do with a lot of boards this size.  I think I’m going to order another Quasi 8.0 but step up to 148 Team Hollow Thunders so it sits higher and my Radial Slims are flush. I’d probably step up to 53mms as well.

https://www.tactics.com/quasi-skateboards/dayton-face-i-80-skateboard-deck
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8.0 x 14.25 sounds like a good ratio, I rode a Habitat 8.18 x 32 x 14.25 with a mellow concave. The width felt great but too long to flip comfortably. Setup a 7.75 board last week and there is no way I can ride that size anymore; way to squirrely coupled with the 14" WB felt too short.

the 32.375 length does look a little heft though.

Looks like I'm getting myself some Quasi boards for xmas!
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I think you’ll like it.  The wide kicks helps with the length a ton. I couldn’t imagine narrow ass Baker Boy kicks on a board this long but with this shape I find it perfect.  I’m 5’11/6’ish tall so I’m not super tall or short and I find it very comfortable.  Habitat has a 8.125 NASA board in a similar shape that I might try.
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I'm 5 foot 6 inches so thanks for making me feel tiny, you dick. (JK of course)

I'll get one of the Quasi boards over xmas, been looking for a board with a larger nose and tail.

The older Dwindle boards from the 2000s and Mini Logos used to have tiny tails; rode extremely well for a short period until you got razor tail then they were impossible to skate afterwards.
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Bro those Dwindles did razor tail like crazy... 9-10 year old me can relate.  Look at my fucking nose in this picture... I saw it semi-recently and it reminded me of how shitty that wood was.  I was just WAY too big of a Chris Cole/Chief fan at the time to switch woodshops though.  When I switched to being a Dr. Z fanboy and started riding Zoo York (Chapman) boards a couple of years later it was a night and day difference.  Those things kept their pop and lasted forever.

(https://i.imgur.com/pBJgNjC.jpg)
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I used to be a sucker for Darkstar boards, at 7.75 the tails were incredibly short but very snappy while they lasted. Never realized the difference in woodshops until I rode my first Zero board, back when they were still pressed in Mexico.

Zered Basset was and is still a fucking G, City of Killer and Vicious Cycle is filled with so many Dr. Z banger; he always made his switch tricks look especially stylish.
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Sorry to roast your setup but those wheels what the fuck?! Gross black wheels
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They were a Christmas present and I was 9 years old lol.  I think my parents got me them since they matched the deck I asked for.  They’re the only colored wheels I’ve ever had and they flat spotted quick.

That's no excuse!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3xmytaOyQw
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spanyard on November 20, 2019, 07:07:08 AM
Hey y'all-

I'm trying to I.D. the durometer for these set of  wheels I bought used on a complete, but all the logos are essentially worn off.  I know for sure they're classic 52mm Huf x Haroshi x Spitfire wheels.  I found the image attached but noticed no durometer is stated on these wheels.  THey're probably 7-14 years old is my guess?  Anybody have an idea?


https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/3_55521.jpg
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on November 20, 2019, 08:50:58 AM
99d probably.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on November 20, 2019, 01:30:14 PM
Hey y'all-

I'm trying to I.D. the durometer for these set of  wheels I bought used on a complete, but all the logos are essentially worn off.  I know for sure they're classic 52mm Huf x Haroshi x Spitfire wheels.  I found the image attached but noticed no durometer is stated on these wheels.  THey're probably 7-14 years old is my guess?  Anybody have an idea?


https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/3_55521.jpg

Definitely 99s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 20, 2019, 01:53:44 PM
100% 99d
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on November 20, 2019, 03:02:51 PM
The formula used on Classics and Bigheads makes them feel stickier/softer than most 99s though.  Especially when compared to Easy Streets and F4s.  Durometer doesn’t really mean much unless you’re comparing wheels from the same line.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 21, 2019, 04:07:05 AM
God I hate F4 101... What I've done... :'(
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Post by: saltusnaut on November 21, 2019, 04:11:06 AM
God I hate F4 101... What I've done... :'(

why?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 21, 2019, 04:42:01 AM
I feel that I'm skating bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skart on November 21, 2019, 07:18:42 AM
Definitely not down with f4 101's unless it's park skating on a good day. Otherwise they make me feel like shit lol..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 21, 2019, 08:27:34 AM
Definitely not down with f4 101's unless it's park skating on a good day. Otherwise they make me feel like shit lol..
Thhey make me feel way less confident.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jollyoli on November 21, 2019, 08:56:01 AM
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Definitely not down with f4 101's unless it's park skating on a good day. Otherwise they make me feel like shit lol..
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Thhey make me feel way less confident.
I liked the slide and noise they made but were too much for anything other than new parks. If you can handle them in the raggedy ass streets more power to you. I need to keep my few remaining teeth, 99 all the way.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sativa Lung on November 21, 2019, 09:14:50 AM
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Sorry to roast your setup but those wheels what the fuck?! Gross black wheels
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We all went through this phase in our lives

(https://i.postimg.cc/zffbTBvy/IMG-20191109-131308.jpg)

Still going through it.

They were like $15 during that crazy zumiez sale a few months ago. If it were an option I'd pick white, but I'm not going to say no to half price 54mm F4 conical fulls. At that price they could be hot pink and have pictures of saggy old ballsacks on them for all I care, they still skate like F4s and that's all that really matters.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 21, 2019, 10:03:09 AM
Just picked up a set of the 99A classics. It’s been a while since I had that shape so kinda wanted to go back
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 21, 2019, 10:51:06 AM
I've had the same set of 55 F4 classics for about a year. After trying a new set of 60mm classics and going back to the 55s, I've noticed they have no bark at all. They still slide wonderfully, but they're almost completely silent.

Normal or nah? I need to get a new set either way, but it occurred to me that this is for sure the longest I've ever skated a set of wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on November 21, 2019, 10:53:24 AM
Just picked up a set of the 99A classics. It’s been a while since I had that shape so kinda wanted to go back

Bomb a mellow hill and do long powerslides, best wheels in the world for doing the best feeling thing you can on a skateboard.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on November 21, 2019, 11:00:25 AM
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Sorry to roast your setup but those wheels what the fuck?! Gross black wheels
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We all went through this phase in our lives
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Still going through it.

They were like $15 during that crazy zumiez sale a few months ago. If it were an option I'd pick white, but I'm not going to say no to half price 54mm F4 conical fulls. At that price they could be hot pink and have pictures of saggy old ballsacks on them for all I care, they still skate like F4s and that's all that really matters.

I respect your reasoning around this, it’s valid, but saying all that matters is that they’re F4s is like the graphics don’t matter statement.

Look, true, but I gotta at least tell myself I look cool, because I sure as shit ain’t gonna hear it from anyone else
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: baustin on November 21, 2019, 11:02:15 AM
Definitely not down with f4 101's unless it's park skating on a good day. Otherwise they make me feel like shit lol..

A while back I was trying wallrides and skating flat at Bellsouth in Atlanta with 101s and slipping all over the place so bad. They're definitely not optimal for the rougher stuff or any surface where traction could be compromised. A 52-54mm 99A in the classic shape is a perfect wheel in almost any setting though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on November 21, 2019, 11:50:02 AM
crazy question but do F4's "break in" or dare I say "soften" at all? I don't hit smooth parks and the streets are awful by me. Found 99 conicals too jarring. but im also not used to them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on November 21, 2019, 11:55:26 AM
crazy question but do F4's "break in" or dare I say "soften" at all? I don't hit smooth parks and the streets are awful by me. Found 99 conicals too jarring. but im also not used to them
Yeah, they might soften up if you soak them in water. I gave some to a friend a few years back who leaves his board outside in super humid air and his old 101s are much softer than my 99s. They won't soften on their own through use alone, though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spanyard on November 21, 2019, 12:17:00 PM
hmm, i wonder what would happen if you threw 101s in boiling water like how some people boil harder bushings to make them softer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on November 21, 2019, 12:47:29 PM
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Sorry to roast your setup but those wheels what the fuck?! Gross black wheels
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We all went through this phase in our lives
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Still going through it.

They were like $15 during that crazy zumiez sale a few months ago. If it were an option I'd pick white, but I'm not going to say no to half price 54mm F4 conical fulls. At that price they could be hot pink and have pictures of saggy old ballsacks on them for all I care, they still skate like F4s and that's all that really matters.
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I respect your reasoning around this, it’s valid, but saying all that matters is that they’re F4s is like the graphics don’t matter statement.

Look, true, but I gotta at least tell myself I look cool, because I sure as shit ain’t gonna hear it from anyone else

 :D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 21, 2019, 05:06:05 PM
haha those black wheels don't look THAT bad on that set up. I had some black darkstars my sister got my for my birthday and that set up ended up getting stolen so theres that... I do occasionally ride bright colored wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 21, 2019, 05:54:14 PM
crazy question but do F4's "break in" or dare I say "soften" at all? I don't hit smooth parks and the streets are awful by me. Found 99 conicals too jarring. but im also not used to them

How long have you been using them? They need a few sessions to 'break in' for sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: colinquinn on November 21, 2019, 06:33:55 PM
I wonder if anyone's taken sandpaper to their wheels to get that "broken in" feel faster? I hate the way fresh wheels feel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on November 21, 2019, 07:03:52 PM
A couple of hill bombs will do it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 21, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
A couple of hill bombs will do it.

Yup, I always do a few more than I normally would and everything is all good first sesh
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: baggy spandex on November 22, 2019, 08:00:54 PM
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crazy question but do F4's "break in" or dare I say "soften" at all? I don't hit smooth parks and the streets are awful by me. Found 99 conicals too jarring. but im also not used to them
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How long have you been using them? They need a few sessions to 'break in' for sure.

What I love about F4 99s is that they feel great out the gate, but honestly they only get better once broken in. If you're not used to the conicals yet, just keep skating them. Then you'll never be able to change.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on November 23, 2019, 07:38:43 AM
Interesting to hear people bummed on 101 Conical fulls, I’ve loved them for the rough surfaces I skate.

They are my rock, my muse, the wind beneath my wings.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Coffee on November 23, 2019, 09:47:45 AM
Almost pulled the trigger on some 54mm F4 tablets  yesterday but they were 101 and that doesn’t work for me. I’ll just wait it out until the shop gets some F4 classics in 54mm 99a.
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Post by: jay_nev on November 23, 2019, 10:13:30 AM
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crazy question but do F4's "break in" or dare I say "soften" at all? I don't hit smooth parks and the streets are awful by me. Found 99 conicals too jarring. but im also not used to them
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How long have you been using them? They need a few sessions to 'break in' for sure.
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What I love about F4 99s is that they feel great out the gate, but honestly they only get better once broken in. If you're not used to the conicals yet, just keep skating them. Then you'll never be able to change.
solid will have to do that. Some mellow hills to get some slides in.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 23, 2019, 02:55:05 PM
Almost pulled the trigger on some 54mm F4 tablets  yesterday but they were 101 and that doesn’t work for me. I’ll just wait it out until the shop gets some F4 classics in 54mm 99a.
You're smarter than me, I wanted to try radial slims badly but they only had 101 at the time, I got them an son probably regretting it now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on November 23, 2019, 05:17:02 PM
54 classics in 99 are my jam👌
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Post by: anon on November 23, 2019, 05:19:29 PM
someone snaked me for some 54mm 99a radials and i had to get 55 tablets. contrary to what others have claimed, there are no problems with slappies
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on November 23, 2019, 05:20:55 PM
101a at smooth concrete parks

Any other terrain - 99a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: larry sanders on November 24, 2019, 08:50:17 PM
what shape for an old man skating bowls?

i don’t do flip tricks or skate rough terrain anymore, just like to pump around  medium size bowls, so wheels last forever, i loved my rainskates 57mm 98a, round cuts but they’re beat

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: colinquinn on November 24, 2019, 08:54:07 PM
what shape for an old man skating bowls?

i don’t do flip tricks or skate rough terrain anymore, just like to pump around  medium size bowls, so wheels last forever, i loved my rainskates 57mm 98a, round cuts but they’re beat

I have some F4 conical fulls in 57mms, they're grosso's wheel, I bet those would be good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: larry sanders on November 24, 2019, 11:10:20 PM
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what shape for an old man skating bowls?

i don’t do flip tricks or skate rough terrain anymore, just like to pump around  medium size bowls, so wheels last forever, i loved my rainskates 57mm 98a, round cuts but they’re beat
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I have some F4 conical fulls in 57mms, they're grosso's wheel, I bet those would be good.

ya 56 conical full is what i was thinkin
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CBP on November 24, 2019, 11:17:51 PM
what shape for an old man skating bowls?

i don’t do flip tricks or skate rough terrain anymore, just like to pump around  medium size bowls, so wheels last forever, i loved my rainskates 57mm 98a, round cuts but they’re beat

TBH if I was just skating bowls I'd probably go with bones 100s or SPF rather than formula 4s. Bones stick better to slippery concrete.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on November 25, 2019, 09:46:40 AM
56 radial or 56 conical full for big bowls

the radial has a softer edge on coping. prefer it a tad more
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on November 25, 2019, 12:14:28 PM
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i don’t do flip tricks or skate rough terrain anymore, just like to pump around  medium size bowls, so wheels last forever, i loved my rainskates 57mm 98a, round cuts but they’re beat
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I have some F4 conical fulls in 57mms, they're grosso's wheel, I bet those would be good.
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ya 56 conical full is what i was thinkin

I have f4 99 conical fulls in 56 and 58. Would suggest the 58 if the board is 10in plus.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: larry sanders on November 25, 2019, 01:29:34 PM
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what shape for an old man skating bowls?

i don’t do flip tricks or skate rough terrain anymore, just like to pump around  medium size bowls, so wheels last forever, i loved my rainskates 57mm 98a, round cuts but they’re beat
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I have some F4 conical fulls in 57mms, they're grosso's wheel, I bet those would be good.
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ya 56 conical full is what i was thinkin
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I have f4 99 conical fulls in 56 and 58. Would suggest the 58 if the board is 10in plus.

i’m on an 8.5 but now CBPs got me thinkin about SPFs

i’m skating concrete parks, some older cheaply built, and there’s a new nicer one much further away i hit sometimes, but never anything indoors or skatelite

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: E on November 26, 2019, 12:47:26 PM
Just got tablets because the F4 selection wasn't great and I was buying a complete. I do have a pair of F4 classics on ice though. Trying to learn slappies this winter should I stay away from the tablets for now?
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Post by: Firebert on November 26, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Just got tablets because the F4 selection wasn't great and I was buying a complete. I do have a pair of F4 classics on ice though. Trying to learn slappies this winter should I stay away from the tablets for now?
Yes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on November 26, 2019, 09:29:25 PM
Just got tablets because the F4 selection wasn't great and I was buying a complete. I do have a pair of F4 classics on ice though. Trying to learn slappies this winter should I stay away from the tablets for now?

I wouldn’t avoid trying due to the wheels.  If anything they might help you in the long run due to the extra challenge.  Don’t let my comments about them looking bad for slappies scare you lol... I suck at them myself.  I blame it on growing up in small town Wisconsin where we don’t have painted curbs let alone curbs that are shaped like the ones in cities.  Ours curve the opposite direction and get thicker towards the top. Almost like really round upside down quarter pipes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skart on November 26, 2019, 10:53:27 PM
Just don't go parallel to the curb if you're skating square curbs. That's where tablets will smack you to the ground. Vs the slight advantage of classics having a chill sidewall

It's just a trunk bonk kickturn truckslide
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 29, 2019, 12:26:48 PM
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i don’t do flip tricks or skate rough terrain anymore, just like to pump around  medium size bowls, so wheels last forever, i loved my rainskates 57mm 98a, round cuts but they’re beat
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TBH if I was just skating bowls I'd probably go with bones 100s or SPF rather than formula 4s. Bones stick better to slippery concrete.

I was recently skating 101 radial slims / Bones STF V1s over the past two weeks and switched to SPF.

Noticeable increase in speed and hardness feel, no question about it. Grip-wise they're great. Going back to either of the other two felt slow and sluggish in bowls.

If you like the softer/grippier ffeel since you ride 98a - any STF or F4 in 99a will do you fine (I'd give the nod to the bones V5 99a, they feel a tad harder than 99a spits).
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Post by: Esmith5488 on November 29, 2019, 02:28:42 PM
Just got tablets because the F4 selection wasn't great and I was buying a complete. I do have a pair of F4 classics on ice though. Trying to learn slappies this winter should I stay away from the tablets for now?

I’m not incredible at slappies, but I did find the tablets to be a little more work. Get get a good angle and decent speed and you got that shit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hangontoyourego on November 29, 2019, 02:42:50 PM
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I’m not incredible at slappies, but I did find the tablets to be a little more work. Get get a good angle and decent speed and you got that shit.
I’ve been on the tablets for 6 months . Pretty much all I got is slappies and I haven’t had any issues , i lone em . I would be more concerned with looser trucks then wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on November 30, 2019, 01:46:41 PM
Some anecdotal evidence that I found interesting.  I busted out all my boards so my nephews could roll around my parents very rough driveway on Thanksgiving.  My 101 tablets felt far better than my 99 radials and 99 classics (all are very similar in size.) The radials are old and well worn but I was surprised by how awful they felt, and by how smooth the tablets felt.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Reed Richards on December 02, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
I hope they put out more conical full f4's in white.  Not really stoked on the blue and greens since I am an old and definitely don't want black. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 02, 2019, 03:09:52 PM
I hope they put out more conical full f4's in white.  Not really stoked on the blue and greens since I am an old and definitely don't want black.

Same, just grabbed a couple pairs of the AA white conical fulls since they seem scarce and this Black Friday shit has ruined any sense of financial responsibility I thought I had
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on December 02, 2019, 08:49:30 PM
I hope they put out more conical full f4's in white.  Not really stoked on the blue and greens since I am an old and definitely don't want black.

You, me and everyone else agrees.  Especially in 54mm 99a.  You can find the 52mm 99a Jamie Foy model everywhere but I don’t want a wheel that wide in a 52...

If you’re into 52s I believe Zumiez and Skatewarehouse has them in stock still.  Maybe it was Zumiez and Tactics but I think it was the first combo.

Also fuck whoever is buying up all the 52 and 53mm 99a Radial Slims. That’s my wheel!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 02, 2019, 10:04:26 PM
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You, me and everyone else agrees.  Especially in 54mm 99a.  You can find the 52mm 99a Jamie Foy model everywhere but I don’t want a wheel that wide in a 52...

If you’re into 52s I believe Zumiez and Skatewarehouse has them in stock still.  Maybe it was Zumiez and Tactics but I think it was the first combo.

Also fuck whoever is buying up all the 52 and 53mm 99a Radial Slims. That’s my wheel!

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_Venomous_Radial_Slim_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4V9WH.html

first f4 i tried and there was no need to try another shape or duro. streets out here can be crusty but thats the only con
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 02, 2019, 11:30:21 PM
Loving that colourway, which Bones wheels shape would be the most similar?

Edit: $15 for lightly used 52mm 99 Conicals, worth it?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on December 03, 2019, 05:34:01 AM
Got the black AA 53's, just waiting for spring.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on December 05, 2019, 06:05:08 PM
Skateshops are getting the f4 conical fulls neckface rowan wheels in 53mm and 55mm. Both 99a. I know some of you guys have trouble finding that size so keep a look out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on December 05, 2019, 06:51:53 PM
Loving that colourway, which Bones wheels shape would be the most similar?

Edit: $15 for lightly used 52mm 99 Conicals, worth it?

If that's your size, might be worth a shot at that price. Good wheels, I've got the 101a in 53mm and they're super nice. I should probably ride them again and see if the weight difference between them and the AA 55mm is noticeable.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on December 05, 2019, 07:36:21 PM
Skateshops are getting the f4 conical fulls neckface rowan wheels in 53mm and 55mm. Both 99a. I know some of you guys have trouble finding that size so keep a look out.
looking good and thicc
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5tpJkWlrC7/?igshid=deaf6frq87wv
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WideFeet on December 05, 2019, 08:31:52 PM
A dude came into my local recently. He claimed to be a former chemist for Spitfire and he had his own wheels to sell. He said that they were his version of F4’s. They looked like F4’s. The shop got a set but haven’t skated them yet.

Anyone hear of anything like this?

I did hear a rumor they fired the guy that created the F4’s basically.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on December 05, 2019, 08:41:54 PM
^Buy those for science
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 05, 2019, 08:56:59 PM
^Buy those for science

Tell him to send a set of wheels to the folks on this thread and Ben Degros; way more effective marketing campaign than print or social media!

Also: free wheels!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 05, 2019, 09:43:48 PM
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Skateshops are getting the f4 conical fulls neckface rowan wheels in 53mm and 55mm. Both 99a. I know some of you guys have trouble finding that size so keep a look out.
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looking good and thicc
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5tpJkWlrC7/?igshid=deaf6frq87wv

heard radial slims were supposed to be with this release. which ones are they?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skart on December 05, 2019, 11:31:09 PM
A dude came into my local recently. He claimed to be a former chemist for Spitfire and he had his own wheels to sell. He said that they were his version of F4’s. They looked like F4’s. The shop got a set but haven’t skated them yet.

Anyone hear of anything like this?

I did hear a rumor they fired the guy that created the F4’s basically.

I can tell stories too man
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 05, 2019, 11:32:43 PM
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A dude came into my local recently. He claimed to be a former chemist for Spitfire and he had his own wheels to sell. He said that they were his version of F4’s. They looked like F4’s. The shop got a set but haven’t skated them yet.

Anyone hear of anything like this?

I did hear a rumor they fired the guy that created the F4’s basically.
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I can tell stories too man

Yeah, but did you create the Formula 4 secret recipe?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on December 06, 2019, 01:33:59 AM
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Skateshops are getting the f4 conical fulls neckface rowan wheels in 53mm and 55mm. Both 99a. I know some of you guys have trouble finding that size so keep a look out.
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looking good and thicc
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5tpJkWlrC7/?igshid=deaf6frq87wv
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heard radial slims were supposed to be with this release. which ones are they?

Aren’t the Rowan’s the radial slims? I could be way off.

And Camel Filters, you sayin those are gonna be coming in 55? Daddy like...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on December 06, 2019, 02:43:01 AM
A dude came into my local recently. He claimed to be a former chemist for Spitfire and he had his own wheels to sell. He said that they were his version of F4’s. They looked like F4’s. The shop got a set but haven’t skated them yet.

Anyone hear of anything like this?

I did hear a rumor they fired the guy that created the F4’s basically.
Waiting for an update on this, curiosity is killing me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on December 06, 2019, 04:29:06 AM
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Skateshops are getting the f4 conical fulls neckface rowan wheels in 53mm and 55mm. Both 99a. I know some of you guys have trouble finding that size so keep a look out.
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looking good and thicc
https://www.instagram.com/p/B5tpJkWlrC7/?igshid=deaf6frq87wv
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heard radial slims were supposed to be with this release. which ones are they?
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Aren’t the Rowan’s the radial slims? I could be way off.

And Camel Filters, you sayin those are gonna be coming in 55? Daddy like...
spankys classic, rowan conical full, saying kader are radial here
https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/parts/wheels/spitfire/f4-99-kader-neckface-radial-wheels-white-pid-53792
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on December 06, 2019, 05:31:33 AM
Loophole wheels were at least at some point claimed to be from the F4 scientist guy by someone on here. And the rumor that he’s of Spitfire has been going on for at least a year and that is the reason for the recent F4 shortages. Nothing’s been confirmed though. I think concerned_parent took it insta like a man and asked Jim T and he said the shortage was due to some issues at the facility or something like that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thebacker on December 06, 2019, 05:33:02 AM
A dude came into my local recently. He claimed to be a former chemist for Spitfire and he had his own wheels to sell. He said that they were his version of F4’s. They looked like F4’s. The shop got a set but haven’t skated them yet.

Anyone hear of anything like this?

I did hear a rumor they fired the guy that created the F4’s basically.

Ravioli ravioli give me the formioli
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on December 06, 2019, 06:16:50 AM
Loophole wheels were at least at some point claimed to be from the F4 scientist guy by someone on here. And the rumor that he’s of Spitfire has been going on for at least a year and that is the reason for the recent F4 shortages. Nothing’s been confirmed though. I think concerned_parent took it insta like a man and asked Jim T and he said the shortage was due to some issues at the facility or something like that.
it was unknown soldier.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on December 06, 2019, 06:50:52 AM
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Loophole wheels were at least at some point claimed to be from the F4 scientist guy by someone on here. And the rumor that he’s of Spitfire has been going on for at least a year and that is the reason for the recent F4 shortages. Nothing’s been confirmed though. I think concerned_parent took it insta like a man and asked Jim T and he said the shortage was due to some issues at the facility or something like that.
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it was unknown soldier.

My bad. I suck at remembering people’s names. 😬 I do remember that sig though and his avatar. 😊
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on December 06, 2019, 06:55:28 AM
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Loophole wheels were at least at some point claimed to be from the F4 scientist guy by someone on here. And the rumor that he’s of Spitfire has been going on for at least a year and that is the reason for the recent F4 shortages. Nothing’s been confirmed though. I think concerned_parent took it insta like a man and asked Jim T and he said the shortage was due to some issues at the facility or something like that.
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it was unknown soldier.
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My bad. I suck at remembering people’s names. 😬 I do remember that sig though and his avatar. 😊
all good homie.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on December 06, 2019, 05:35:07 PM
I did indeed take it to Insta like a man. :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: satan on December 06, 2019, 07:16:39 PM
Hey long time lurker here and a first post  :-[

Google nfgmfg and it points to this guy
https://www.linkedin.com/in/aaron-holm-018909a
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Founder and Manager
NFG Manufacturing, LLC
Aug 2017 – Present. 2 years 5 months

Deluxe Distribution
Materials Advisor and Technical Consultant for Manufacturing
Jan 2017 – Jun 2017. 6 months

Pointech and Deluxe Distribution
Program Manager
Jun 2014 – Dec 2016. 2 years 7 months

Pointech and Deluxe Distribution
Technical and Business Consultant
Feb 2014 – May 2014. 4 months

I don't know any gossip.. just thinking..
Loophole sounds like a jab at a non-compete contract
NFG = no fucking good?

And see Pointech in the LinkedIn link? There's a business page that says they operate out of Ermico's building. Ok, nothing crazy there. But moving down to BBS in TJ? Did DLX quietly buy into BBS or did I just never read about that?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 07, 2019, 07:10:59 PM
Loophole wheels were at least at some point claimed to be from the F4 scientist guy by someone on here. And the rumor that he’s of Spitfire has been going on for at least a year and that is the reason for the recent F4 shortages. Nothing’s been confirmed though. I think concerned_parent took it insta like a man and asked Jim T and he said the shortage was due to some issues at the facility or something like that.

Yeah peeps were saying Loopholes are pretty much formula 5’s. Look great to me. Really want them. Just haven’t pulled the trighair. And they’re on TOA but their 20% off ended... but yeah, their conicals look amazing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on December 07, 2019, 07:55:17 PM
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Loophole wheels were at least at some point claimed to be from the F4 scientist guy by someone on here. And the rumor that he’s of Spitfire has been going on for at least a year and that is the reason for the recent F4 shortages. Nothing’s been confirmed though. I think concerned_parent took it insta like a man and asked Jim T and he said the shortage was due to some issues at the facility or something like that.
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Yeah peeps were saying Loopholes are pretty much formula 5’s. Look great to me. Really want them. Just haven’t pulled the trighair. And they’re on TOA but their 20% off ended... but yeah, their conicals look amazing.

Does Loophole make 99a? I got a set of unlabeled Loophole sample wheels from someone and they felt harder than my F4’s so I rode them for like 20 min and then switched back to my normal wheels, and I’ve never ridden the harder F4’s so I couldn’t really compare them. I would like to try Loopholes though
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on December 07, 2019, 10:53:58 PM
Beautiful white F4s back in stock. Neckface collabs as well and they look fucking sick.

The beloved 99a Conical Fulls in 53 and 55mm is one of them.  Not sure why they wouldn’t include the most popular Conical Full size (54mm) but oh well.

You guys are lucky I’m sharing this info... I could have been a dick and bought up all the 53mm Conical Fulls but it’s the holidays and I can’t justify spending more money on myself.  I should probably buy a set before they’re gone though.  Wish they did some Neckface 99a Radial Slims. :/

99a Conical Full Neckface x Rowan (53 & 55mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Rowan_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NRWH.html

99a F4 Classic Neckface x Spanky (52 & 54mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Spanky_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NSWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (58mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Kader_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NKWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (54 & 58mm)
https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/parts/wheels/spitfire/f4-99-kader-neckface-radial-wheels-white-pid-53792

Those are the cheapest I found them ($34.99).  Enjoy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on December 08, 2019, 01:18:21 PM
Beautiful white F4s back in stock. Neckface collabs as well and they look fucking sick.

The beloved 99a Conical Fulls in 53 and 55mm is one of them.  Not sure why they wouldn’t include the most popular Conical Full size (54mm) but oh well.

You guys are lucky I’m sharing this info... I could have been a dick and bought up all the 53mm Conical Fulls but it’s the holidays and I can’t justify spending more money on myself.  I should probably buy a set before they’re gone though.  Wish they did some Neckface 99a Radial Slims. :/

99a Conical Full Neckface x Rowan (53 & 55mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Rowan_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NRWH.html

99a F4 Classic Neckface x Spanky (52 & 54mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Spanky_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NSWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (58mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Kader_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NKWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (54 & 58mm)
https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/parts/wheels/spitfire/f4-99-kader-neckface-radial-wheels-white-pid-53792

Those are the cheapest I found them ($34.99).  Enjoy.
Damn Skatewarehouse is doing 15% off too. Thanks Woos.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on December 08, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
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Beautiful white F4s back in stock. Neckface collabs as well and they look fucking sick.

The beloved 99a Conical Fulls in 53 and 55mm is one of them.  Not sure why they wouldn’t include the most popular Conical Full size (54mm) but oh well.

You guys are lucky I’m sharing this info... I could have been a dick and bought up all the 53mm Conical Fulls but it’s the holidays and I can’t justify spending more money on myself.  I should probably buy a set before they’re gone though.  Wish they did some Neckface 99a Radial Slims. :/

99a Conical Full Neckface x Rowan (53 & 55mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Rowan_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NRWH.html

99a F4 Classic Neckface x Spanky (52 & 54mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Spanky_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NSWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (58mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Kader_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NKWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (54 & 58mm)
https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/parts/wheels/spitfire/f4-99-kader-neckface-radial-wheels-white-pid-53792

Those are the cheapest I found them ($34.99).  Enjoy.
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Damn Skatewarehouse is doing 15% off too. Thanks Woos.

No problem, enjoy!  I hope they did a decent sized run because these things are going to sell like crazy.

Update: Looks like Skatewarehouse is temporarily not allowing people to but those wheels but they should be soon, idk when though.  Tactics has them for $34.99 as well and I believe they have free shipping for everyone at any price currently.  If it’s showing a shipping charge try clearing your cookies, use a VPN or use a different browser/computer/phone.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kevve on December 08, 2019, 08:32:13 PM
Is there a big difference in fell between the conical & conical full?

 Im mostly riding street and thinking maybe the extra width will be overkill?




Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: colinquinn on December 08, 2019, 09:47:21 PM
Is there a big difference in fell between the conical & conical full?

 Im mostly riding street and thinking maybe the extra width will be overkill?

It's a pretty small difference, but I'd recommend going with the full if you're not in parks all the time. The extra width helps with iffy concrete.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on December 09, 2019, 12:06:05 AM
Is there a big difference in fell between the conical & conical full?

 Im mostly riding street and thinking maybe the extra width will be overkill?

Personally I find the difference quite large.  What size trucks do you ride?  8.5”+ I actually find Conical Fulls to be the better choice.  8.0” I prefer Radial Slims or Tablets but I’d prefer Conical over Conical Full.

Wider will almost always ride better but I need a decent amount of space to grind.

I guess it depends on where you live as well.  I’m Midwest and a lot of the time I’m in smaller towns and cities where spots are extra crusty.  This is when I actually want wide wheels like Conical Fulls.  If I was just riding comfy and smooth spots/parks I’d be sticking to Radial Slims.

If you ride larger transition you’ll also want the Fulls. Smaller transition the regular Conicals, Tablets or Radial Slims might be nice since you have more truck to grind and stall with.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 10, 2019, 05:19:33 PM
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Is there a big difference in fell between the conical & conical full?

 Im mostly riding street and thinking maybe the extra width will be overkill?
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Personally I find the difference quite large.  What size trucks do you ride?  8.5”+ I actually find Conical Fulls to be the better choice.  8.0” I prefer Radial Slims or Tablets but I’d prefer Conical over Conical Full.

Wider will almost always ride better but I need a decent amount of space to grind.

I guess it depends on where you live as well.  I’m Midwest and a lot of the time I’m in smaller towns and cities where spots are extra crusty.  This is when I actually want wide wheels like Conical Fulls.  If I was just riding comfy and smooth spots/parks I’d be sticking to Radial Slims.

If you ride larger transition you’ll also want the Fulls. Smaller transition the regular Conicals, Tablets or Radial Slims might be nice since you have more truck to grind and stall with.

Fulls are my preference on 149 +. Annnd I seen a lot of flatbar and rail skaters lately opting for the reduced grind room because the wider wheels actually seem to help them lock in better with having more depth and shorter distance to lock on wider set ups. Prob not preferred on sub 8.5 boards/trucks.

I fuck with 55/56/58 fulls personally and don’t grind rails and love em. Plus I like the weight distribution for flip tricks. Started going back to classic shape but the fulls are my fave for sure and what I got back to.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kevve on December 11, 2019, 07:00:13 PM
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Is there a big difference in fell between the conical & conical full?

 Im mostly riding street and thinking maybe the extra width will be overkill?
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Personally I find the difference quite large.  What size trucks do you ride?  8.5”+ I actually find Conical Fulls to be the better choice.  8.0” I prefer Radial Slims or Tablets but I’d prefer Conical over Conical Full.

Wider will almost always ride better but I need a decent amount of space to grind.

I guess it depends on where you live as well.  I’m Midwest and a lot of the time I’m in smaller towns and cities where spots are extra crusty.  This is when I actually want wide wheels like Conical Fulls.  If I was just riding comfy and smooth spots/parks I’d be sticking to Radial Slims.

If you ride larger transition you’ll also want the Fulls. Smaller transition the regular Conicals, Tablets or Radial Slims might be nice since you have more truck to grind and stall with.
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Fulls are my preference on 149 +. Annnd I seen a lot of flatbar and rail skaters lately opting for the reduced grind room because the wider wheels actually seem to help them lock in better with having more depth and shorter distance to lock on wider set ups. Prob not preferred on sub 8.5 boards/trucks.

I fuck with 55/56/58 fulls personally and don’t grind rails and love em. Plus I like the weight distribution for flip tricks. Started going back to classic shape but the fulls are my fave for sure and what I got back to.

Thanks for all the input guys. To reduce the width of grind room sounds really promising as i've never practised grinds much.

My only concern is to not be able to cruise around as before. I want to try a 52-53mm again to get a lighter setup, easier flip etc. Think i'll just have to get used to a harder wheel and it will be all good.





Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on December 11, 2019, 10:29:05 PM
Hey fellas, just wondering what shape of wheel would be best for mostly park skating (mainly bowl), as well as cruising around on decent streets. The only thing that I really want is for them to be 101a. Was thinking 101a 56mm conical fulls. opinions?

thanks, and s h a l o m
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 11, 2019, 11:07:01 PM
Hey fellas, just wondering what shape of wheel would be best for mostly park skating (mainly bowl), as well as cruising around on decent streets. The only thing that I really want is for them to be 101a. Was thinking 101a 56mm conical fulls. opinions?

thanks, and s h a l o m

Conicals probably?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on December 12, 2019, 03:25:34 AM
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Hey fellas, just wondering what shape of wheel would be best for mostly park skating (mainly bowl), as well as cruising around on decent streets. The only thing that I really want is for them to be 101a. Was thinking 101a 56mm conical fulls. opinions?

thanks, and s h a l o m
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on December 12, 2019, 07:13:19 AM
is there a noticeable difference between conicals and conical fulls? also, what size should I opt for?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skart on December 12, 2019, 07:17:35 AM
Yes bro damn

If u in dem streets or riding big walz get full conicals

U flippn wood and ride same same truck/board size get sub 54z. If not, get use to riding 54+ and accounting for overhang/wheel peepage at the sidez

Lmk if anyone else needs da tldr tldr of 50+ pages of what we've learned on Slap

B careful tho, the info doznt want 2 b lernd
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on December 12, 2019, 01:23:13 PM
Thanks, I’m currently riding 55mm 101a lockins and thought the conical fulls were the best match. I was mainly looking for something similar but symmetrical in shape. I’m on 159 indys so grind room is t a big deal.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 12, 2019, 01:36:05 PM
Thanks, I’m currently riding 55mm 101a lockins and thought the conical fulls were the best match. I was mainly looking for something similar but symmetrical in shape. I’m on 159 indys so grind room is t a big deal.

54mm Conicals sound like a good fit - what's your street game like? tech wizardy or just 'street skating'?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on December 12, 2019, 03:15:24 PM
definitely not tech, just 'street skating, trying to slappy and cruising around

any idea where to get these bad boys? I tried CCS, but alas, nothing. I'm in Canada and it almost seems completely out of stock (spitfire famine?) as the duties are steep, but if nothing else comes through, US it is
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on December 12, 2019, 10:11:43 PM
definitely not tech, just 'street skating, trying to slappy and cruising around

any idea where to get these bad boys? I tried CCS, but alas, nothing. I'm in Canada and it almost seems completely out of stock (spitfire famine?) as the duties are steep, but if nothing else comes through, US it is

If you want to slappy too I really recommend Radial Slims or Radials. I prefer the rounded edge for that. Tons of contact area on both and the Slims have an awesome shape for locking in as well.

Tactics, Skatewarehouse, Skatepark of Tampa, SoCal Skateshop, CCS, Zumiez, and WarehouseSkateboards are my go to places to buy F4s. You gotta check often as they sell out quick and restock randomly.

Conical Fulls and Radials in dope Neckface collab colorways are now available at most of them.  Tactics, SW, and a few others have them in stock.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on December 12, 2019, 10:29:44 PM
The wheels I was peeping were these bad boys https://thedriveshop.ca/products/spitfire-f4-101d-conical-full-56mm?_pos=3&_sid=489851c11&_ss=r
And they’re near where I live so they’re one of my ideals. The only radial slims i could find were 99a 53 which would be my last ditch option. 56mm i could wear down as im sliding a lot. i couldn’t find conicals anywhere really besides Australia and London.

EDIT: found em at SPoT but I’d be paying like half the price for shipping
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on December 13, 2019, 01:05:02 AM
The wheels I was peeping were these bad boys https://thedriveshop.ca/products/spitfire-f4-101d-conical-full-56mm?_pos=3&_sid=489851c11&_ss=r
And they’re near where I live so they’re one of my ideals. The only radial slims i could find were 99a 53 which would be my last ditch option. 56mm i could wear down as im sliding a lot. i couldn’t find conicals anywhere really besides Australia and London.

EDIT: found em at SPoT but I’d be paying like half the price for shipping

56 conical fulls are my favorite. If you’re skating a lot they will wear down, mine are currently closer to 53 after probably a year
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 13, 2019, 05:44:04 AM
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The wheels I was peeping were these bad boys https://thedriveshop.ca/products/spitfire-f4-101d-conical-full-56mm?_pos=3&_sid=489851c11&_ss=r
And they’re near where I live so they’re one of my ideals. The only radial slims i could find were 99a 53 which would be my last ditch option. 56mm i could wear down as im sliding a lot. i couldn’t find conicals anywhere really besides Australia and London.

EDIT: found em at SPoT but I’d be paying like half the price for shipping
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56 conical fulls are my favorite. If you’re skating a lot they will wear down, mine are currently closer to 53 after probably a year
 

Those the ones!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on December 13, 2019, 11:51:26 AM
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The wheels I was peeping were these bad boys https://thedriveshop.ca/products/spitfire-f4-101d-conical-full-56mm?_pos=3&_sid=489851c11&_ss=r
And they’re near where I live so they’re one of my ideals. The only radial slims i could find were 99a 53 which would be my last ditch option. 56mm i could wear down as im sliding a lot. i couldn’t find conicals anywhere really besides Australia and London.

EDIT: found em at SPoT but I’d be paying like half the price for shipping
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56 conical fulls are my favorite. If you’re skating a lot they will wear down, mine are currently closer to 53 after probably a year
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Those the ones!

Ok boys, I think those the ones then. I slid 55mm lock-ins to 52 pretty quick so they should break in nice. Thanks for the help
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Microforrest on December 13, 2019, 02:50:14 PM
You 56mm conical full boys do 1/8" risers or just tighten the shit out of your trucks so you don't wheel bite?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on December 13, 2019, 02:52:35 PM
I’m riding 1/4 risers for deeper turns/carves, which were originally for 66mm wheels and they work fine. 1/8 would be ok too I think.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 13, 2019, 03:28:21 PM
to add to that, 56mm F4s, how is street skating with you wheels?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on December 13, 2019, 04:04:35 PM
Checking some tablets 55 vs Conicals 54. I want a bigger wheel, that's why tablets came into this. Any experience?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Weezil on December 13, 2019, 04:31:39 PM
You 56mm conical full boys do 1/8" risers or just tighten the shit out of your trucks so you don't wheel bite?
Neither, they were perfect with loose Indys, almost perfect with ace 44s. Never had wheelbite problems with the Indys, not too much wheelbite with the aces but after riding Indy 149s the last 10 years I know where it’s gonna wheelbite better then any other truck for me.
Edit: also I only street skate with them, don’t really go to parks much, when I do it’s with them. Perfect all around wheel for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on December 13, 2019, 04:36:09 PM
Checking some tablets 55 vs Conicals 54. I want a bigger wheel, that's why tablets came into this. Any experience?

If you’re using them as an all-around, not a hard cruiser wheel, I’d got for the conicals, as the shape would probably be better getting in and out of grinds, but i think the tablets are wider across, so maybe more comfortable ride?? unless you like square wheels, I’d say conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on December 14, 2019, 06:17:21 AM
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You 56mm conical full boys do 1/8" risers or just tighten the shit out of your trucks so you don't wheel bite?
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Neither, they were perfect with loose Indys, almost perfect with ace 44s. Never had wheelbite problems with the Indys, not too much wheelbite with the aces but after riding Indy 149s the last 10 years I know where it’s gonna wheelbite better then any other truck for me.
Edit: also I only street skate with them, don’t really go to parks much, when I do it’s with them. Perfect all around wheel for me.

I ride Thunder 148s Titanium hollows with stock bushings broken in to be loose. I did the same thing with 147s standards before, both using 56 conical fulls and never a riser. It's rare I'll wheelbite to the point of full stop so I've never ever even thought about it.

I'm only considering risers for the sake of pop but even that I'm kinda like "meh"

I also skate 80% street on less than ideal ground and I only keep one set up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 15, 2019, 07:06:04 AM
You 56mm conical full boys do 1/8" risers or just tighten the shit out of your trucks so you don't wheel bite?

On a shaped/more than 9in board I do 1/8 risers and on popsicle/sub 9in no risers. And loose (no bottom washer).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 15, 2019, 07:08:09 AM
to add to that, 56mm F4s, how is street skating with you wheels?

Great! Smooth when needed and burly when needed. Also I find the wide riding surface great for manual tricks. Love the way the shape locks in on grinds. And it slides great but still has great control. I’m talking 99’s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Starm on December 16, 2019, 12:18:16 PM
Does anyone here know the specs for the 58mm radials? They only list the radials up to 56mm on the spitfire website.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 16, 2019, 01:34:01 PM
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Beautiful white F4s back in stock. Neckface collabs as well and they look fucking sick.

The beloved 99a Conical Fulls in 53 and 55mm is one of them.  Not sure why they wouldn’t include the most popular Conical Full size (54mm) but oh well.

You guys are lucky I’m sharing this info... I could have been a dick and bought up all the 53mm Conical Fulls but it’s the holidays and I can’t justify spending more money on myself.  I should probably buy a set before they’re gone though.  Wish they did some Neckface 99a Radial Slims. :/

99a Conical Full Neckface x Rowan (53 & 55mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Rowan_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NRWH.html

99a F4 Classic Neckface x Spanky (52 & 54mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Spanky_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NSWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (58mm)
https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Neckface_Kader_99a_Wheels/descpage-SF4NKWH.html

99a F4 Radial Neckface x Kader (54 & 58mm)
https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/skateboarding/parts/wheels/spitfire/f4-99-kader-neckface-radial-wheels-white-pid-53792

Those are the cheapest I found them ($34.99).  Enjoy.
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Damn Skatewarehouse is doing 15% off too. Thanks Woos.
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No problem, enjoy!  I hope they did a decent sized run because these things are going to sell like crazy.

Update: Looks like Skatewarehouse is temporarily not allowing people to but those wheels but they should be soon, idk when though.  Tactics has them for $34.99 as well and I believe they have free shipping for everyone at any price currently.  If it’s showing a shipping charge try clearing your cookies, use a VPN or use a different browser/computer/phone.

Skatepark of Tampa 20% off code “Tampa Am”
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 16, 2019, 01:35:22 PM
Does anyone here know the specs for the 58mm radials? They only list the radials up to 56mm on the spitfire website.

Wide af. Wider than fulls I think just from looking at them in real life. Def eyeing getting a set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: texasplant on December 16, 2019, 05:04:48 PM
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Does anyone here know the specs for the 58mm radials? They only list the radials up to 56mm on the spitfire website.
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Wide af. Wider than fulls I think just from looking at them in real life. Def eyeing getting a set.

(https://i.imgur.com/SEgiWqY.jpg)
Top = 58mm Kader Radial Full
Bottom = 56mm Conical Full

Not sure how different these Kader shaped ones are, but here's a comparison. Same contact patch, much rounder and a tad wider due to this. Beautiful wheels. I switch between the two.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Starm on December 17, 2019, 10:49:08 AM
Those look nice, might have to get a set of the new 58mm Neckface wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on December 17, 2019, 11:48:48 AM
Just ordered some tablets 99 55mm
Pretty stoked for whatever reason
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on December 17, 2019, 12:19:08 PM
Just ordered some tablets 99 55mm
Pretty stoked for whatever reason
tablets are a sexy shape. i'd be excited and 55mm meaning 23mm riding surface and only 33mm width, closest thing to that is 54mm conical full with 22mm riding surface / 34mm width
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on December 17, 2019, 12:25:07 PM
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Just ordered some tablets 99 55mm
Pretty stoked for whatever reason
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tablets are a sexy shape. i'd be excited and 55mm meaning 23mm riding surface and only 33mm width, closest thing to that is 54mm conical full with 22mm riding surface / 34mm width
Exactly. I wanted conical fulls but couldn't find so tablets were an interesting alternative
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: texasplant on December 19, 2019, 04:31:35 PM
Just threw together a smaller tech setup with Thunders and 52mm conical fulls, thinking about getting 54mm classics. Pros/cons? Classics worse for tranny? Better for ledges?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: johnes on December 20, 2019, 05:13:15 AM
Just threw together a smaller tech setup with Thunders and 52mm conical fulls, thinking about getting 54mm classics. Pros/cons? Classics worse for tranny? Better for ledges?
Come on, all wheels are basically gonna do the same thing right? Actually now that I think about it, I probably feel that way because I’m not very good at skating. These small differences that I’ve tried and never real notice anything different, might make a big difference to someone at a higher skill level than me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on December 20, 2019, 07:09:22 AM
Just threw together a smaller tech setup with Thunders and 52mm conical fulls, thinking about getting 54mm classics. Pros/cons? Classics worse for tranny? Better for ledges?
I'd say classics are better for tranny being a bigger size (less lock ups on coping) and the smaller conical fulls would be better for ledges, more clearance for nose/tailslides and better lock with the hard edge that the fulls have.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: imuseless on December 20, 2019, 07:32:33 AM
Thunders and 54mm classics.

Wheelbite alarm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on December 20, 2019, 07:50:14 AM
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Thunders and 54mm classics.
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Wheelbite alarm.
I have 55 conicals right now on a thunder RIP
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on December 20, 2019, 07:57:18 AM
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Thunders and 54mm classics.
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Wheelbite alarm.
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I have 55 conicals right now on a thunder RIP

Not even, been runnin that shit for years, no problems here
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on December 20, 2019, 08:28:36 AM
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Does anyone here know the specs for the 58mm radials? They only list the radials up to 56mm on the spitfire website.
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Wide af. Wider than fulls I think just from looking at them in real life. Def eyeing getting a set.
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(https://i.imgur.com/SEgiWqY.jpg)
Top = 58mm Kader Radial Full
Bottom = 56mm Conical Full

Not sure how different these Kader shaped ones are, but here's a comparison. Same contact patch, much rounder and a tad wider due to this. Beautiful wheels. I switch between the two.

Dope! Thanks for the pic. Confirmed my suspicion.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on December 20, 2019, 06:05:35 PM
I got a set of 51mm tablets, coming from bones 50mm v3s maybe (the skinniest ones). I switched because I thought the bones were too sticky and most of my buddies ride spitfire. I like them fine they skate great although feel the same in terms of slickness to the bones. The only thing I don’t like is that they seem so much bigger looking at them but side by side the difference is pretty minimal. I like small skinny wheels went with the tablets over 50mm classics due to them being skinnier. All in all I like them. If they made them in 49mm I’d be stoked but I suppose they will be that small soon enough.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Coffee on December 20, 2019, 07:33:24 PM
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Thunders and 54mm classics.
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Wheelbite alarm.
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I have 55 conicals right now on a thunder RIP
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Not even, been runnin that shit for years, no problems here

Riding thunder 147’s with 54mm Classics and minimal wheelbite.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on December 21, 2019, 03:50:41 AM
First time in a really long time that I got big wheels:
(https://i.imgur.com/NJjoJTNl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qbmfuJUl.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on December 23, 2019, 12:26:19 AM
So I didn’t even need to order them...

My brother hooked it up with some Conical Full 99a 53s and some Ace 44s.

I normally don’t give a fuck about wheel graphics but these look amazing. Killer graphic and the quality of the print is A1.

(https://i.imgur.com/94PfXbn.jpg)

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Thunders and 54mm classics.
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Wheelbite alarm.
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I have 55 conicals right now on a thunder RIP
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Not even, been runnin that shit for years, no problems here
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Riding thunder 147’s with 54mm Classics and minimal wheelbite.

You got lucky with a good shape then.  Or you ride tight trucks.  I can’t imagine riding anything bigger than 52mm with most shapes I’ve used mine on.  The Quasi I’m currently riding I could probably ride 52s but the BBS shop board I had recently was a struggle with 52s... wheelbite city.

Keep in mind I have forged baseplates.  If you go non-forged and 148+ you can get away with 54s though.  That’s what Foy rides and his trucks are loose.  147s are just so low though...

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 23, 2019, 01:54:48 AM
anyone ever ride/see the radial slims in 56mm? i feel like that size doesnt really exist
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Richard Skidder on December 23, 2019, 06:04:24 AM
Thinking of going 101a. Too slick for indoor parks? Noticeably faster? Let me know, pals. Shalom!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on December 23, 2019, 08:23:09 AM
Thinking of going 101a. Too slick for indoor parks? Noticeably faster? Let me know, pals. Shalom!

Not a pal, but I will say that 101a F4s are veeeery slick on indoor parks, but one can get used to it. They are crazy fast wheels though. They're really good wheels overall, but indoors, no. IT could work if you can only afford one set of wheels, get them anyway. The contact patch is also good to know, which wheels are you thinking? 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on December 23, 2019, 08:33:54 AM
Thinking of going 101a. Too slick for indoor parks? Noticeably faster? Let me know, pals. Shalom!
101 are big no no for me. Had then twice regretted about it twice. Go for 99
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backinaction on December 23, 2019, 08:39:47 AM
Thinking of going 101a. Too slick for indoor parks? Noticeably faster? Let me know, pals. Shalom!

Depends on the park.  We had an indoor with a wooden bowl that was pretty slick. I liked 99s there.

Current indoor has no bowl, just a nice mini and street area.  Without the pumping through the corners I can manage 101s there absolutely fine.    101s are a good all around wheel.

For reference, I will skate the 101 F4 occasionally at concrete outdoor parks but prefer SPF or STF as they are faster.  I haven't used 99 F4 for years at those parks.

On the actual street my choice would be the 99 F4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Richard Skidder on December 23, 2019, 10:02:21 AM
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Thinking of going 101a. Too slick for indoor parks? Noticeably faster? Let me know, pals. Shalom!
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Not a pal, but I will say that 101a F4s are veeeery slick on indoor parks, but one can get used to it. They are crazy fast wheels though. They're really good wheels overall, but indoors, no. IT could work if you can only afford one set of wheels, get them anyway. The contact patch is also good to know, which wheels are you thinking?
Radial slims or conical 53 or 54
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Seduction on December 23, 2019, 02:10:25 PM
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Thunders and 54mm classics.
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Wheelbite alarm.
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I have 55 conicals right now on a thunder RIP
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Not even, been runnin that shit for years, no problems here
How? I got pitched so hard skating some 54mm conical fulls on thunders. They were stock loose and I weigh nothing. Immediately switched back to Ace and Indys
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on December 23, 2019, 02:32:20 PM
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Thunders and 54mm classics.
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Wheelbite alarm.
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I have 55 conicals right now on a thunder RIP
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Not even, been runnin that shit for years, no problems here
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How? I got pitched so hard skating some 54mm conical fulls on thunders. They were stock loose and I weigh nothing. Immediately switched back to Ace and Indys

Agree with getting pitched by the thunders. I like thunders. A lot actually. 53mm is the max for me. I’m not real big, 165 (small by normal human standards, husky for skate). I’m not a super clean skater or anything so there is a fair amount of operator error, but yeah I have a hard time skating bigger wheels with thunders. Has me switching everything up as we speak. I want to push around the crust, trying to skate 56 conical fulls. Will get venture hi’s as soon as I can decide 5.2 v 5.6
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on December 23, 2019, 03:27:54 PM
Thinking of going 101a. Too slick for indoor parks? Noticeably faster? Let me know, pals. Shalom!

Go 99a. They slide fine in all conditions. Never once have I wanted a harder wheel.  On Skatelite even the 99s can be a little too slick but they’re manageable.  101s would be like ice.

This is coming from someone who also has STF 103s and lives a hard wheel.  99s are plenty.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on December 23, 2019, 07:48:23 PM
No idea how you guys are getting away with F4’s of either durometer at indoors. Those things are way too slick. My 97a Speedlabs have even had a few moments of close calls. I’m still on the hunt for something softer but not too soft.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Roisto on December 23, 2019, 09:51:02 PM
No idea how you guys are getting away with F4’s of either durometer at indoors. Those things are way too slick. My 97a Speedlabs have even had a few moments of close calls. I’m still on the hunt for something softer but not too soft.

I’m running my last set of 101s indoors now and they work out fine. My skill level isn’t exactly phenomenal though. I also have really loose trucks. It’s an unforgiving setup but predictable at the same time with Aces and 101 F4s. Maybe it teaches me to be less sloppy with my shit. Dunno but I really like it.  :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: texasplant on December 24, 2019, 12:39:30 AM
Anyone skated Classic Fulls? Skating 56 Conical Fulls, wanting to maybe switch to 56 Grosso Fulls? I skate transition and never skated classics because I assume they don't lock in as good?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on December 24, 2019, 01:53:24 AM
No idea how you guys are getting away with F4’s of either durometer at indoors. Those things are way too slick. My 97a Speedlabs have even had a few moments of close calls. I’m still on the hunt for something softer but not too soft.

You need to ride 99a F4s in the streets first. Then they’re not as slippery.

Brand new ones are pretty sketch on Skatelite transition though.

Wish there was a 95-97a Radial Slim type of wheel. I might try some Slimeballs out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 24, 2019, 02:27:39 AM
I'm keen to try a Radial Slim, anyone comment on how they feel?

I've ridden Lock-Ins, Classics and a non-Spitfire conical, like the conical shape best and Lock-Ins least. Like the wider contact patch the conical gave for slides on ledges.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beatifk on December 24, 2019, 02:42:21 AM
So I didn’t even need to order them...

My brother hooked it up with some Conical Full 99a 53s and some Ace 44s.

I normally don’t give a fuck about wheel graphics but these look amazing. Killer graphic and the quality of the print is A1.

(https://i.imgur.com/94PfXbn.jpg)


I just got those same wheels but I’m putting them on thunder hollow light 148s.

I went into the shop with the intention of getting the trucks (called the shop to hold em) and some 52mm classics. The 53mm conical fulls were a bit of a curveball but that’s my favorite shape wheel so I couldn’t pass.

This is the first set of thunders I’ve had since the set I had on my roskopp eyeball when I was like 8 years old. I’m already dreading the wheelbite but I really wanted to switch things up from my usual ace/Indy preference. I am looking forward to trying to learn some new flip tricks though and hoping the relatively light/compact setup will help with that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on December 24, 2019, 03:22:01 AM
Anyone skated Classic Fulls? Skating 56 Conical Fulls, wanting to maybe switch to 56 Grosso Fulls? I skate transition and never skated classics because I assume they don't lock in as good?
I have the Grosso 54s, they lock in fine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 24, 2019, 12:06:21 PM
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You need to ride 99a F4s in the streets first. Then they’re not as slippery.

Brand new ones are pretty sketch on Skatelite transition though.

Wish there was a 95-97a Radial Slim type of wheel. I might try some Slimeballs out.

This. My first session with new wheels is always the same parking lot flat session.
The one exception has been the one time I had to get wheels from spot and went to skate bro bowl
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Woos on December 24, 2019, 11:02:03 PM
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So I didn’t even need to order them...

My brother hooked it up with some Conical Full 99a 53s and some Ace 44s.

I normally don’t give a fuck about wheel graphics but these look amazing. Killer graphic and the quality of the print is A1.

(https://i.imgur.com/94PfXbn.jpg)

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I just got those same wheels but I’m putting them on thunder hollow light 148s.

I went into the shop with the intention of getting the trucks (called the shop to hold em) and some 52mm classics. The 53mm conical fulls were a bit of a curveball but that’s my favorite shape wheel so I couldn’t pass.

This is the first set of thunders I’ve had since the set I had on my roskopp eyeball when I was like 8 years old. I’m already dreading the wheelbite but I really wanted to switch things up from my usual ace/Indy preference. I am looking forward to trying to learn some new flip tricks though and hoping the relatively light/compact setup will help with that.

Nah dude you’ll be good. I ride 52mm Radial Slims on 147 Hollow Lights and a pretty mellow Quasi 8.0 and I’m fine.  148s are much higher.  A 53mm wheel is only 0.5mm closer to the deck than 52s.

I did swap my lower medium Bones bushing out for a hard one due to my last deck shape but on this current one I could easily go back to full medium.

You’ll be fine.  This is coming from a guy who loves low trucks on a lot of his setups yet hates wheelbite (bad combo).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on January 01, 2020, 07:18:38 PM
Just wanted to see if this was normal for F4...
Randomly noticed this chip tonight and only skated these wheels 2-3 times. Barely for an hour each session. Conical 54mm 99. Pics2 and 3 are shit- tough to focus properly and wheels appear more yellow in pics due to fluorescent overhead light.




(https://i.ibb.co/vH4Tzbq/9-D2-DEC25-B924-4360-BF6-A-FCDA803-E0-FB0.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3m7dPzr/8782559-B-9-B27-4-A4-A-ACD8-AC416-B8536-CC.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BPFwztj/13718-FD0-BBE6-45-CA-B0-F7-44-CB4-CDEA3-E7.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Weezil on January 01, 2020, 07:26:44 PM
yeah that's happened to pairs of mine before. never felt like it was an issue though, usually from skating fucked asphalt.
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Post by: jtrpma on January 01, 2020, 09:48:14 PM
They do loose little chunks but always ride smooth.
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Post by: texasplant on January 02, 2020, 12:22:21 AM
Happens all the time, only once has it been a problem though.
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Post by: moonordie on January 02, 2020, 03:29:26 AM
yeah that's happened to pairs of mine before. never felt like it was an issue though, usually from skating fucked asphalt.
This.
Same thing happened to me with my classic full. I'm living in a place with rough asphalt
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on January 02, 2020, 05:41:06 AM
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I have the Grosso 54s, they lock in fine.
I actually really like the classic full. 54mm. They skate really well.
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Post by: jay_nev on January 02, 2020, 11:59:09 AM
yeah that's happened to pairs of mine before. never felt like it was an issue though, usually from skating fucked asphalt.
They do loose little chunks but always ride smooth.
Happens all the time, only once has it been a problem though.
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yeah that's happened to pairs of mine before. never felt like it was an issue though, usually from skating fucked asphalt.
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This.
Same thing happened to me with my classic full. I'm living in a place with rough asphalt
Thanks for the replies. Yep definitely is being used on rough asphalt.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 02, 2020, 04:26:31 PM
Just wanted to see if this was normal for F4...
Randomly noticed this chip tonight and only skated these wheels 2-3 times. Barely for an hour each session. Conical 54mm 99. Pics2 and 3 are shit- tough to focus properly and wheels appear more yellow in pics due to fluorescent overhead light.




(https://i.ibb.co/vH4Tzbq/9-D2-DEC25-B924-4360-BF6-A-FCDA803-E0-FB0.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3m7dPzr/8782559-B-9-B27-4-A4-A-ACD8-AC416-B8536-CC.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BPFwztj/13718-FD0-BBE6-45-CA-B0-F7-44-CB4-CDEA3-E7.jpg)

Definitely had that happen but never been a major issue for me. I think wheels can be more vulnerable/ fragile when they are brand new. I like to bomb a few hills with minimal slides before I really start to skate them. its almost like you have to roughen up the contact patch a bit before they are good to be skated properly. They just feel better after break in also. Way less chance of flatspots with broken in F4s also.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on January 14, 2020, 11:57:15 PM
want to try 101s f4s. what size and shape did you guys like? how was it different that 99a?
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Post by: tzhangdox on January 15, 2020, 12:25:10 AM
want to try 101s f4s. what size and shape did you guys like? how was it different that 99a?

Just get the same shape that you prefer in 99a, for me thats radial slims. I don't like 101s, noticeably less forgiving on rougher ground. Slide slightly better and with slightly less effort, but that also means powerslides don't slow you down as much (kinda defeating the whole purpose of doing them) and its a bit easier to slip out. They also slide a bit better on ledges for blunts etc but the tiniest amount of wax will equalize it. I can only see them being better if you really struggle to revert your 180/360 tricks or if you only skate really smooth and non slippery terrain.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on January 15, 2020, 01:08:44 AM
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Just get the same shape that you prefer in 99a, for me thats radial slims. I don't like 101s, noticeably less forgiving on rougher ground. Slide slightly better and with slightly less effort, but that also means powerslides don't slow you down as much (kinda defeating the whole purpose of doing them) and its a bit easier to slip out. They also slide a bit better on ledges for blunts etc but the tiniest amount of wax will equalize it. I can only see them being better if you really struggle to revert your 180/360 tricks or if you only skate really smooth and non slippery terrain.

i ride radial slims in 99a so i guess its not worth my $36 to try the 101s. might try a different shape completely. conical fulls look interesting for the new york street crust
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Post by: texasplant on January 15, 2020, 01:40:12 AM
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Just get the same shape that you prefer in 99a, for me thats radial slims. I don't like 101s, noticeably less forgiving on rougher ground. Slide slightly better and with slightly less effort, but that also means powerslides don't slow you down as much (kinda defeating the whole purpose of doing them) and its a bit easier to slip out. They also slide a bit better on ledges for blunts etc but the tiniest amount of wax will equalize it. I can only see them being better if you really struggle to revert your 180/360 tricks or if you only skate really smooth and non slippery terrain.
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i ride radial slims in 99a so i guess its not worth my $36 to try the 101s. might try a different shape completely. conical fulls look interesting for the new york street crust

Definitely recommend conical fulls, even in the smaller sizes, so good on that crusty ground
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on January 15, 2020, 07:47:58 AM
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Just get the same shape that you prefer in 99a, for me thats radial slims. I don't like 101s, noticeably less forgiving on rougher ground. Slide slightly better and with slightly less effort, but that also means powerslides don't slow you down as much (kinda defeating the whole purpose of doing them) and its a bit easier to slip out. They also slide a bit better on ledges for blunts etc but the tiniest amount of wax will equalize it. I can only see them being better if you really struggle to revert your 180/360 tricks or if you only skate really smooth and non slippery terrain.
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Definitely recommend conical fulls, even in the smaller sizes, so good on that crusty ground
I currently have a set of 101 conical fulls back home in california, They are like 45mm now but they still slide really well. I've had 101 Radial slims but I don't remember what they felt like. I do recomend hard conicals if you like sliding and slappies. It made them feel better. Did a feeble on a curb with them and slid them out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 15, 2020, 08:36:37 AM
want to try 101s f4s. what size and shape did you guys like? how was it different that 99a?
I hated my 101s, feels too "plasticy", like Bones imo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on January 15, 2020, 11:11:17 AM
Just wanted to see if this was normal for F4...
Randomly noticed this chip tonight and only skated these wheels 2-3 times. Barely for an hour each session. Conical 54mm 99. Pics2 and 3 are shit- tough to focus properly and wheels appear more yellow in pics due to fluorescent overhead light.




(https://i.ibb.co/vH4Tzbq/9-D2-DEC25-B924-4360-BF6-A-FCDA803-E0-FB0.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3m7dPzr/8782559-B-9-B27-4-A4-A-ACD8-AC416-B8536-CC.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/BPFwztj/13718-FD0-BBE6-45-CA-B0-F7-44-CB4-CDEA3-E7.jpg)
Literally every set of F4s I've had has done that. I made a big deal about it at first when it first happened but after a while I stopped caring. It does make the wheels look all ugly and shitty though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Yesterdays-pop on January 15, 2020, 06:08:04 PM
How do I get my formula fours to be that deep amber color?
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Post by: Woos on January 15, 2020, 08:14:54 PM
How do I get my formula fours to be that deep amber color?

Ride them on brick flooring.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 15, 2020, 08:52:20 PM
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I hated my 101s, feels too "plasticy", like Bones imo

So what are you riding?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 17, 2020, 02:52:02 AM
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I hated my 101s, feels too "plasticy", like Bones imo
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So what are you riding?
On my main setup 99 55mm tablets and on the setup that I hate I got 99 classic fulls that were originally 54 and now they're on 52
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Post by: jtrpma on January 17, 2020, 05:30:06 AM
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I hated my 101s, feels too "plasticy", like Bones imo
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On my main setup 99 55mm tablets and on the setup that I hate I got 99 classic fulls that were originally 54 and now they're on 52

I hate classics formula too. Especially wide they feel even more dull, heavy and cheap.
F4 101 are okay. Not much of a difference to me but 99 f4 are a little smoother and slide easy enough.
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Post by: spacial_profiling on January 17, 2020, 08:12:21 AM
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I hated my 101s, feels too "plasticy", like Bones imo
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On my main setup 99 55mm tablets and on the setup that I hate I got 99 classic fulls that were originally 54 and now they're on 52
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I hate classics formula too. Especially wide they feel even more dull, heavy and cheap.
F4 101 are okay. Not much of a difference to me but 99 f4 are a little smoother and slide easy enough.

Man, I love the Anderson wides og formula! At least I did before I cared more about sliding.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spanyard on January 17, 2020, 09:02:32 AM
^I got a fairly lightly used set of 54s SFWs for sale, inquire (>>><<<)
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Post by: satan on January 17, 2020, 08:04:03 PM
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I hated my 101s, feels too "plasticy", like Bones imo
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So what are you riding?
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On my main setup 99 55mm tablets and on the setup that I hate I got 99 classic fulls that were originally 54 and now they're on 52
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I hate classics formula too. Especially wide they feel even more dull, heavy and cheap.
F4 101 are okay. Not much of a difference to me but 99 f4 are a little smoother and slide easy enough.
The new classic's? I think I have some and I don't like them. They don't bark like old spits and get goosey sounding at colder temps. Seem grippy compared to old spits too. Probably more flatspot resistant cuz the grooves took forever for me to wear off, which actually led to some small flat spots. Oh, the irony.


How do F4's compare to old classics? The 90's or early-2000's stuff.
Or F1's? Those seemed grippy to me too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 18, 2020, 11:37:29 AM
I rode a lot of F1 Cole A.W.O.Ls (shape was tits); they felt great, barked but flatspotted easy.

F4s > All other spits, no contest

Used to hate the plasticky feel of STFs and swore by F4s....but now the F4s seem sluggish and not barky/hard to me so I am back on regs STFs.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on January 20, 2020, 11:06:04 AM
Seems like there is still a pretty hefty F4 shortage.
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Post by: arrbee on January 20, 2020, 12:17:28 PM
Seems like there is still a pretty hefty F4 shortage.

Probably because there are people out there like me. I bought every set I could find during the initial shortage. I think I have 8 sets on ice
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Post by: HugeBodBoyle on January 20, 2020, 01:02:30 PM
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Probably because there are people out there like me. I bought every set I could find during the initial shortage. I think I have 8 sets on ice

I should have. I just want 52-53mm Conical Fulls IS THAT TOO HARD?
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Post by: moonordie on January 20, 2020, 03:18:45 PM
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Probably because there are people out there like me. I bought every set I could find during the initial shortage. I think I have 8 sets on ice
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I should have. I just want 52-53mm Conical Fulls IS THAT TOO HARD?
Of you're thinking about 99 the answer is not.
Ba da dum tsss
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sadnocomply on January 21, 2020, 06:09:45 PM
35thave.com got that heat get em while they hot baby! Save me some embers I’ve only ridden the natty color but I am eyeing some crazy color shit maybe even those lance mountains haha. I’m pretty sick but I never got a chance to medicate myself with some tablets  :o might try that soon too. This is where that stupid tag line should be, “ride the best, fuck the rest” type of bullshit because the wheels are that good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on January 21, 2020, 06:19:27 PM
Kinetic just re upped
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2020, 07:08:32 PM
35thave.com got that heat get em while they hot baby! Save me some embers I’ve only ridden the natty color but I am eyeing some crazy color shit maybe even those lance mountains haha. I’m pretty sick but I never got a chance to medicate myself with some tablets  :o might try that soon too. This is where that stupid tag line should be, “ride the best, fuck the rest” type of bullshit because the wheels are that good.

https://youtu.be/9Deg7VrpHbM
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: satan on January 21, 2020, 07:15:17 PM
Is it just me or are these wheels whiter
https://www.daddiesboardshop.com/spitfire-formula-four-radial-skateboard-wheels-54mm-99a

than these wheels?
https://www.daddiesboardshop.com/spitfire-x-neckface-kader-f4-99du-radial-skateboard-wheels-54mm


Anyone notice a difference in slide, sound, feel between natural and white?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:21:57 PM
I've seen both. I like the shittier browner color. Its closer to 'natural' urethane. i can't stand bone white wheels...
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Post by: satan on January 21, 2020, 07:32:27 PM
I've seen both. I like the shittier browner color. Its closer to 'natural' urethane. i can't stand bone white wheels...
Ya. Bones are a too white but I've still got 90's snobbery with white wheels. Makes me indecisive
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Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on January 21, 2020, 07:33:55 PM
I doubt they'll perform differently but in theory the natural ones have less additives in the formula...
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Post by: satan on January 21, 2020, 07:57:57 PM
I doubt they'll perform differently but in theory the natural ones have less additives in the formula...
Ya. I try to tell myself the same thing but I'm not as easily convinced like I was when that was said about dyes in colored wheels
I'll have to work on getting over that 90's mindfuck
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MusclesMarinara on January 22, 2020, 10:56:38 AM
Kinetic just re upped

I don't know if it's just me but I really hate how they open and take the wheels out of the packaging.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on January 22, 2020, 11:17:52 AM
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I don't know if it's just me but I really hate how they open and take the wheels out of the packaging.

not just you. never understood why any shop would do it
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MusclesMarinara on January 22, 2020, 01:44:59 PM
Anyone ever get F4s in square packaging or NOS? Got them for cheap at a real skateshop but just never seen F4s in this packaging before.

(https://i.imgur.com/dj4bzrZ.jpg)
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Post by: Mesteezo on January 22, 2020, 01:59:32 PM
Anyone ever get F4s in square packaging or NOS? Got them for cheap at a real skateshop but just never seen F4s in this packaging before.



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Que??
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on January 22, 2020, 02:04:49 PM
Anyone ever get F4s in square packaging or NOS? Got them for cheap at a real skateshop but just never seen F4s in this packaging before.
https://skate-planet.com/products/spitfire-wheels-formula-four-classic-toxic-apocalypse-purple-green-skateboard-wheels-54mm-99a
sold here in the same packaging too

not sure why some have the blister card in horizontal packaging and some don't.
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Post by: MusclesMarinara on January 22, 2020, 02:14:09 PM
Awesome thanks, just have only seen the horizontal package and wanted to make sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 50mm on January 22, 2020, 06:45:28 PM
I bought 51mm tablets like 2 months ago when I had my Thunders but only rode them for like an hour. I put my Indy's back on with my old ass 54mm conical full's but since going down to 8.38 the other day I feel like the truck is too crowded and I can't get on coping that easy. Even 50-50-s feel hard to sit on, I have to ollie out earlier than I want to. Put the tablets back on today, but I did it after skating all morning so I'm too tired to see how it feels. Tomorrow though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on January 22, 2020, 06:50:51 PM
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I don't know if it's just me but I really hate how they open and take the wheels out of the packaging.
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not just you. never understood why any shop would do it
Thank you. I knew I wasn’t the only one but I’ve noticed a few shops do that now.
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Post by: satan on January 22, 2020, 07:18:18 PM
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I don't know if it's just me but I really hate how they open and take the wheels out of the packaging.
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not just you. never understood why any shop would do it
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Thank you. I knew I wasn’t the only one but I’ve noticed a few shops do that now.
Old timers uses to love to hit the wheels together and listen for the clack. Harder wheels sound a lil different, some wheels sound kinda dead. Idk. Some ppl might like to see the shape closer up too.
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Post by: arrbee on January 23, 2020, 04:12:12 AM
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I don't know if it's just me but I really hate how they open and take the wheels out of the packaging.
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not just you. never understood why any shop would do it
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Thank you. I knew I wasn’t the only one but I’ve noticed a few shops do that now.
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Old timers uses to love to hit the wheels together and listen for the clack. Harder wheels sound a lil different, some wheels sound kinda dead. Idk. Some ppl might like to see the shape closer up too.

As far as kinetic goes, it's probably to save room in their case at the shop. And they fulfill online orders from shop stock. Where as some online retailers separate their online and in store stock. Mildly annoying, I have a decent relationship with the crew at Kinetic I typically have them order stuff or toss stuff to the side for me so I don't encounter this much.
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I don't know if it's just me but I really hate how they open and take the wheels out of the packaging.
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not just you. never understood why any shop would do it
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Thank you. I knew I wasn’t the only one but I’ve noticed a few shops do that now.
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Old timers uses to love to hit the wheels together and listen for the clack. Harder wheels sound a lil different, some wheels sound kinda dead. Idk. Some ppl might like to see the shape closer up too.
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As far as kinetic goes, it's probably to save room in their case at the shop. And they fulfill online orders from shop stock. Where as some online retailers separate their online and in store stock. Mildly annoying, I have a decent relationship with the crew at Kinetic I typically have them order stuff or toss stuff to the side for me so I don't encounter this much.

Just wanted to add, cause I don't want you thinking I'm talking shit on Kinetic, all those guys are super nice and chill everytime I go in there. Been going since since they opened next to the old wawa. Just not into buying opened wheels is all.
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I don't know if it's just me but I really hate how they open and take the wheels out of the packaging.
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not just you. never understood why any shop would do it
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Thank you. I knew I wasn’t the only one but I’ve noticed a few shops do that now.
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Old timers uses to love to hit the wheels together and listen for the clack. Harder wheels sound a lil different, some wheels sound kinda dead. Idk. Some ppl might like to see the shape closer up too.
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As far as kinetic goes, it's probably to save room in their case at the shop. And they fulfill online orders from shop stock. Where as some online retailers separate their online and in store stock. Mildly annoying, I have a decent relationship with the crew at Kinetic I typically have them order stuff or toss stuff to the side for me so I don't encounter this much.
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Just wanted to add, cause I don't want you thinking I'm talking shit on Kinetic, all those guys are super nice and chill everytime I go in there. Been going since since they opened next to the old wawa. Just not into buying opened wheels is all.

Didn’t think that at all. I get it, it drives me crazy they don’t have a tape measure and only have a yard stick. Every skater has some thing that gets to them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: satan on January 23, 2020, 07:05:19 PM
Just remembered that my local Active would unwrap wheels too. Then they'd stack them on wooden dowels in a sliding drawer. Never thought anything of it but some employee must have got a stack of stickers with every wheel order.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Reed Richards on January 24, 2020, 09:10:13 PM
Have the Conical Full embers even made their way to any online skate shops (CCS, Tactics, either Warehouse) yet or did they come and go that quick?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dakara on January 24, 2020, 09:58:49 PM
I bought 51mm tablets like 2 months ago when I had my Thunders but only rode them for like an hour. I put my Indy's back on with my old ass 54mm conical full's but since going down to 8.38 the other day I feel like the truck is too crowded and I can't get on coping that easy. Even 50-50-s feel hard to sit on, I have to ollie out earlier than I want to. Put the tablets back on today, but I did it after skating all morning so I'm too tired to see how it feels. Tomorrow though.

If you like the conicals over the tablets besides that issue maybe go with a wider truck. Although you may just get used to it. I’m riding Indy 129s( not by choice) on 54mm tablets right now and I’m having the same problem, hard to get into grinds and always feel like the board is gonna tip out on impact even if I get the truck(s) on solid for 50-50 or 5-0.  Not a big issue on ledges but on 2 sided curbs it’s pretty tough. On round rails I imagine it could actually be an advantage but I don’t fuck with those cause I’m a pussy
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Post by: 50mm on January 24, 2020, 10:31:05 PM
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I bought 51mm tablets like 2 months ago when I had my Thunders but only rode them for like an hour. I put my Indy's back on with my old ass 54mm conical full's but since going down to 8.38 the other day I feel like the truck is too crowded and I can't get on coping that easy. Even 50-50-s feel hard to sit on, I have to ollie out earlier than I want to. Put the tablets back on today, but I did it after skating all morning so I'm too tired to see how it feels. Tomorrow though.
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If you like the conicals over the tablets besides that issue maybe go with a wider truck. Although you may just get used to it. I’m riding Indy 129s( not by choice) on 54mm tablets right now and I’m having the same problem, hard to get into grinds and always feel like the board is gonna tip out on impact even if I get the truck(s) on solid for 50-50 or 5-0.  Not a big issue on ledges but on 2 sided curbs it’s pretty tough. On round rails I imagine it could actually be an advantage but I don’t fuck with those cause I’m a pussy
They actually worked out pretty well for sitting through grinds on curbs. I was already riding 149's and I've had 50-50s so locked for years on ledges and curbs that I know it wasn't me wanting to jump out of the grind. The smaller size for sure helped level out my board and I was grinding this sort of curb ledge at the entrance to the skatepark all the way through the curve it has until it ends so it felt good. I'm more interested in skating a flat round bar. I used to be able to slide feebles a little but I could never figure out why I couldn't just sit on it. I think the tablets and my looser trucks will help. Too much skin on those conical fulls.
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I don't know if it's just me but I really hate how they open and take the wheels out of the packaging.
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not just you. never understood why any shop would do it
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Thank you. I knew I wasn’t the only one but I’ve noticed a few shops do that now.
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Old timers uses to love to hit the wheels together and listen for the clack. Harder wheels sound a lil different, some wheels sound kinda dead. Idk. Some ppl might like to see the shape closer up too.
[close]

As far as kinetic goes, it's probably to save room in their case at the shop. And they fulfill online orders from shop stock. Where as some online retailers separate their online and in store stock. Mildly annoying, I have a decent relationship with the crew at Kinetic I typically have them order stuff or toss stuff to the side for me so I don't encounter this much.
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Just wanted to add, cause I don't want you thinking I'm talking shit on Kinetic, all those guys are super nice and chill everytime I go in there. Been going since since they opened next to the old wawa. Just not into buying opened wheels is all.
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Didn’t think that at all. I get it, it drives me crazy they don’t have a tape measure and only have a yard stick. Every skater has some thing that gets to them.
Not having a tape measure in a shop is possibly the worst
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on January 25, 2020, 06:53:08 PM
Can’t imagine that, literally just grab a deck to check it out and second nature grab the tape measure to check the wb.
If the shop worker sees me I’d ask em while doing so if they know off the top of their head. Especially on shop decks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Reed Richards on January 31, 2020, 07:54:32 AM
Have the Conical Full embers even made their way to any online skate shops (CCS, Tactics, either Warehouse) yet or did they come and go that quick?
UPDATE: eBay has some up for a reasonable price and free shipping.  54mm.  Can't wait to get 'em.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: satan on February 06, 2020, 05:03:59 AM
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/414120128214482746/
Just wanted to put this here
SFW's are the same cut as Conical Fulls
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on March 09, 2020, 02:24:17 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9ho0FuAn8Q/?igshid=1lwxumf8n9k7g
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on March 09, 2020, 02:41:36 PM
Grey wheels? That just looks and feels so wrong :-[
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Post by: moonordie on March 09, 2020, 03:44:08 PM
Grey wheels? That just looks and feels so wrong :-[
That's a big NOPE
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on March 09, 2020, 04:35:01 PM
More pics here https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Radial_Grey_Blue_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFRB9WH.html

Yep it’s grey. Better than black? Unsure
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ItsNoUse on March 09, 2020, 07:38:24 PM
More pics here https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Radial_Grey_Blue_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFRB9WH.html

Yep it’s grey. Better than black? Unsure

If they were grey/white swirl, I'd be into those. Had a pair of something similar made by Flip when I was a younging.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 09, 2020, 07:59:11 PM
More pics here https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Radial_Grey_Blue_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFRB9WH.html

Yep it’s grey. Better than black? Unsure

I'll take black wheels over grey ones any day.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on March 10, 2020, 07:32:05 AM
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More pics here https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Radial_Grey_Blue_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFRB9WH.html

Yep it’s grey. Better than black? Unsure
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I'll take black wheels over grey ones any day.
Same here. White is always preferred but if I have to choose a colored wheel black is the only choice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: layzieyez on March 10, 2020, 07:41:48 AM
I'd like a black, grey, blue swirl.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on March 10, 2020, 08:07:48 AM
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More pics here https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Radial_Grey_Blue_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFRB9WH.html

Yep it’s grey. Better than black? Unsure
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I'll take black wheels over grey ones any day.
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Same here. White is always preferred but if I have to choose a colored wheel black is the only choice.
So very wrong, black is by far the worst wheel color.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on March 10, 2020, 08:25:10 AM
Damn I like that shape, wish I got those instead of the set of tablets I've yet to skate.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on March 10, 2020, 08:52:39 AM
the only acceptable color besides white or potato is orange. i dont know why
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on March 10, 2020, 08:57:39 AM
Still seems like a F4 shortage is going on. I’ve been wanting to try some radials and they’re nowhere to be found. In general seems like shops are still wiped out on stock besides the few big online retailers.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on March 10, 2020, 09:04:26 AM
I know people that will accept colored wheels if thats the only option but rarely every people that actively want a set? Why are they wasting resource on these and not giving people white f4's that most want? Unless I'm extremely misjudging the demand for white f4's in all shapes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Smartass on March 10, 2020, 09:42:22 AM
I know people that will accept colored wheels if thats the only option but rarely every people that actively want a set? Why are they wasting resource on these and not giving people white f4's that most want? Unless I'm extremely misjudging the demand for white f4's in all shapes.

I don't think you're misjudging the demand at all. I think it's like other folks have said, there's probably a shortage on the regular F4s in terms of the standard Urethane. They probably still have a crap ton of urethane mixed with other colors churning in the factory, but haven't been getting enough urethane in to make more regular stuff.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on March 10, 2020, 09:46:53 AM
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I know people that will accept colored wheels if thats the only option but rarely every people that actively want a set? Why are they wasting resource on these and not giving people white f4's that most want? Unless I'm extremely misjudging the demand for white f4's in all shapes.
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I don't think you're misjudging the demand at all. I think it's like other folks have said, there's probably a shortage on the regular F4s in terms of the standard Urethane. They probably still have a crap ton of urethane mixed with other colors churning in the factory, but haven't been getting enough urethane in to make more regular stuff.
Makes sense if true. I guess it's a relatively good problem to have that your product is so popular production can't keep up. My current set of classics is doing fine but I always have slight anxiety if a thing that works for me isn't readily available if I need another one.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on March 10, 2020, 10:49:32 AM
the only acceptable color besides white or potato is orange. i dont know why

I’m with you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on March 10, 2020, 10:55:10 AM
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Still seems like a F4 shortage is going on. I’ve been wanting to try some radials and they’re nowhere to be found. In general seems like shops are still wiped out on stock besides the few big online retailers.
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I have some brand new 51mm radial slims I’m trying to sell (or trade for used Ace 55 or 44) if you or anyone else is interested

Thanks but I’m looking for radials, not radial slims, and in a 56-58.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 10, 2020, 10:59:19 AM
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Still seems like a F4 shortage is going on. I’ve been wanting to try some radials and they’re nowhere to be found. In general seems like shops are still wiped out on stock besides the few big online retailers.
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I have some brand new 51mm radial slims I’m trying to sell (or trade for used Ace 55 or 44) if you or anyone else is interested
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Thanks but I’m looking for radials, not radial slims, and in a 56-58.

Gotcha, no problem!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Smartass on March 10, 2020, 01:12:22 PM
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Still seems like a F4 shortage is going on. I’ve been wanting to try some radials and they’re nowhere to be found. In general seems like shops are still wiped out on stock besides the few big online retailers.
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I have some brand new 51mm radial slims I’m trying to sell (or trade for used Ace 55 or 44) if you or anyone else is interested
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Thanks but I’m looking for radials, not radial slims, and in a 56-58.
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Gotcha, no problem!
You definitely got me interested, sending you a PM.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lukabrazi on March 10, 2020, 01:46:11 PM
Still seems like a F4 shortage is going on. I’ve been wanting to try some radials and they’re nowhere to be found. In general seems like shops are still wiped out on stock besides the few big online retailers.

definitely still going on... one place I purchase is thru Eastern Skate supply for a shop, and it always seems like they have minimal supply if anything of f4 and when they come in (which seems to be in small qty's ) they sell out quickly
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on March 22, 2020, 02:41:00 PM
First set of formula fours in forever. Man have I missed them. Just cruising around feels good. These are the glow in the dark ones though, got em for free from a friend, so they’re a bit brighter white than usual, and there’s like a teeeeny hint of light green to it which I think looks pretty sick actually; you can’t really tell from the photo though because the flash is on.
 
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/87348768_1467359676765867_8677473537390280704_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQnfuHIeJ88Df-AVpa347KZEH0q87Px624JCbJWQ5NeUJSO72EazW-PBZ45WZ_PjQ45_iZViikZvQDKb9ObMndT0&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=5cb8265c5e9e3aba33e160eb75bcbf2b&oe=5E9BD024)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on March 22, 2020, 02:48:44 PM
First set of formula fours in forever. Man have I missed them. Just cruising around feels good. These are the glow in the dark ones though, got em for free from a friend, so they’re a bit brighter white than usual, and there’s like a teeeeny hint of light green to it which I think looks pretty sick actually; you can’t really tell from the photo though because the flash is on.
 
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/87348768_1467359676765867_8677473537390280704_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQnfuHIeJ88Df-AVpa347KZEH0q87Px624JCbJWQ5NeUJSO72EazW-PBZ45WZ_PjQ45_iZViikZvQDKb9ObMndT0&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=5cb8265c5e9e3aba33e160eb75bcbf2b&oe=5E9BD024)
Impossible to tell actually.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on March 22, 2020, 03:42:05 PM
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First set of formula fours in forever. Man have I missed them. Just cruising around feels good. These are the glow in the dark ones though, got em for free from a friend, so they’re a bit brighter white than usual, and there’s like a teeeeny hint of light green to it which I think looks pretty sick actually; you can’t really tell from the photo though because the flash is on.
 
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/87348768_1467359676765867_8677473537390280704_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=110474&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQnfuHIeJ88Df-AVpa347KZEH0q87Px624JCbJWQ5NeUJSO72EazW-PBZ45WZ_PjQ45_iZViikZvQDKb9ObMndT0&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=5cb8265c5e9e3aba33e160eb75bcbf2b&oe=5E9BD024)
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Impossible to tell actually.
Now that you mention it.... 🤔
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 22, 2020, 07:47:54 PM
the only acceptable color besides white or potato is orange. i dont know why

I know why I rode Orange wheels.

I was told it meant you are a queer skater a long long time ago.

So I went and got orange pigs so it be know as soon as I roll up.

Down to drink fight and Fuck.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on March 23, 2020, 09:00:24 AM
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the only acceptable color besides white or potato is orange. i dont know why
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I know why I rode Orange wheels.

I was told it meant you are a queer skater a long long time ago.

So I went and got orange pigs so it be know as soon as I roll up.

Down to drink fight and Fuck.

Orange Sptifires was a very 90s thing. Loved it. I would love a set of orange wheels again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Reed Richards on March 23, 2020, 07:00:41 PM
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the only acceptable color besides white or potato is orange. i dont know why
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I know why I rode Orange wheels.

I was told it meant you are a queer skater a long long time ago.

So I went and got orange pigs so it be know as soon as I roll up.

Down to drink fight and Fuck.
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Orange Sptifires was a very 90s thing. Loved it. I would love a set of orange wheels again.
I would buy the hell out of some orange conical fulls.  99D, 54mm.  They got close with the embers, but they were orange and black.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Raccoon Manne on March 23, 2020, 09:19:20 PM
What's the problem with black or grey wheels? I've never really thought of this because I usually just buy f4 or classics. Although, the plain janes are good for rough terrain and are usually colored, I had the green pair.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Krooked antihero on March 24, 2020, 06:23:51 AM
What's the problem with black or grey wheels? I've never really thought of this because I usually just buy f4 or classics. Although, the plain janes are good for rough terrain and are usually colored, I had the green pair.
Dem ugly.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on March 24, 2020, 03:23:22 PM
I like skating colored wheels swirls preferably but Black wheels are a fucking no no. It is cool to break the cycle and rock some white/potato colored ones too. I'm rocking some orange/pink swirls CLassics and got a set of White Tablets waiting next.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Raccoon Manne on March 24, 2020, 03:37:34 PM
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What's the problem with black or grey wheels? I've never really thought of this because I usually just buy f4 or classics. Although, the plain janes are good for rough terrain and are usually colored, I had the green pair.
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Dem ugly.
I guess they are, I've never really thought about it. There should be a post your ugly wheels thread.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Allen. on March 24, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
What’s the wheel equivalent of that one guys atrocious grip job
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on March 24, 2020, 05:26:27 PM
What’s the wheel equivalent of that one guys atrocious grip job
Some crupie wheel or a flip sidecuts.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: authentic_creed_bratton on March 24, 2020, 10:18:39 PM
flatspotted darkstars
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Post by: Quique on March 24, 2020, 11:27:58 PM
Element wheels with the plastic core
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 25, 2020, 12:20:35 AM
What’s the wheel equivalent of that one guys atrocious grip job

Ricta chrome cores
Wheels of different size and colours
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on March 25, 2020, 07:46:00 AM
It's actually just black wheels. Black wheels suck.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 25, 2020, 02:45:02 PM
Does f4 not come in Orange anymore? Half blue half Orange is far from cool.

Purple and orange would be better but yeah I want some orange spits again
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Surf The Earth on March 28, 2020, 01:28:15 PM
I rode the 56 Conical Fulls for a while (hands down best wheel i have ridden). I then switched to F4 Classic shape 58, and although I have gotten used to them really want to go back to the conical fulls. Has any one messed with 58 size in them. I liked 56, but want to go bigger. Im assuming the 58 is awesome just wanted some feedback form anyone who prefers them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 28, 2020, 01:43:08 PM
I rode the 56 Conical Fulls for a while (hands down best wheel i have ridden). I then switched to F4 Classic shape 58, and although I have gotten used to them really want to go back to the conical fulls. Has any one messed with 58 size in them. I liked 56, but want to go bigger. Im assuming the 58 is awesome just wanted some feedback form anyone who prefers them.

58 conical fulls are awesome. Not too different from the 55 conical fulls I have, but a little faster. Usually ride them on my bigger set ups 8.75+)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Surf The Earth on March 28, 2020, 01:48:54 PM
I figured as much. Thanks a lot!!! I only ride 8.75 or 8.8 anyways so thats perfect. can't wait to scoop some
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 28, 2020, 01:57:19 PM
I figured as much. Thanks a lot!!! I only ride 8.75 or 8.8 anyways so thats perfect. can't wait to scoop some

No problem! I just wish they made them in 60mm. I was riding the 60mm OG classics last year and was thinking how awesome that shape would be in F4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Surf The Earth on March 28, 2020, 02:49:05 PM
i was thinking the same thing. I was going to get 60mm until i realized the conical full only went up to 58. my perfect wheel would be a 60mm conical full with the classic swirl graphic.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 28, 2020, 02:54:37 PM
i was thinking the same thing. I was going to get 60mm until i realized the conical full only went up to 58. my perfect wheel would be a 60mm conical full with the classic swirl graphic.

Yessss, perfect
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on March 28, 2020, 03:04:47 PM
Does f4 not come in Orange anymore? Half blue half Orange is far from cool.

Purple and orange would be better but yeah I want some orange spits again

I have a set of 53mm 101 Tablets in orange but haven't skated them. Haven't looked at their newest catalog, maybe they have new ones coming out?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 28, 2020, 07:40:13 PM
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Does f4 not come in Orange anymore? Half blue half Orange is far from cool.

Purple and orange would be better but yeah I want some orange spits again
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I have a set of 53mm 101 Tablets in orange but haven't skated them. Haven't looked at their newest catalog, maybe they have new ones coming out?

I saw mushrooms? Or something. Its like an old  5050 color swirls Orange and blue.

I couldn't do that unless they like vintage blur wheel or something collectable.

I'm good for now on wheels and trucks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thinlizzy on March 29, 2020, 08:46:55 AM
I’m thinking about getting a set of 56mm classic f4’s. I usually ride 53mm classic f4’s but my local is out of that size. Would 56mm be too big on an 8.38 board with loose ace 44 trucks?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on March 29, 2020, 09:09:28 AM
I’m thinking about getting a set of 56mm classic f4’s. I usually ride 53mm classic f4’s but my local is out of that size. Would 56mm be too big on an 8.38 board with loose ace 44 trucks?
I would say yes but idk what loose means to you. You skate the trucks straight away?
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Post by: thinlizzy on March 29, 2020, 09:15:42 AM
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I’m thinking about getting a set of 56mm classic f4’s. I usually ride 53mm classic f4’s but my local is out of that size. Would 56mm be too big on an 8.38 board with loose ace 44 trucks?
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I would say yes but idk what loose means to you. You skate the trucks straight away?
Thank you, and yeah no risers, stock bushings no top washer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Maxi205 on April 05, 2020, 10:58:31 AM
Hey, I just wanted to ask, if someone had the same problem with formula fours chipping recenlty. I chipped my 53m 99a Classics a week ago, but wasnt thinking too much about it because i had them for about 2 months. So I just bought a new set, which I skated today for the first time and it chipped again. The chip is not as big as the chip on the old set but it kind of bummed me out. They are my favorite wheel by far and  I had 7 sets prior to those two sets and they never chipped on me that badly before.

* I skated the same spots as always
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Post by: moonordie on April 05, 2020, 10:59:34 AM
Hey, I just wanted to ask, if someone had the same problem with formula fours chipping recenlty. I chipped my 53m 99a Classics a week ago, but wasnt thinking too much about it because i had them for about 2 months. So I just bought a new set, which I skated today for the first time and it chipped again. The chip is not as big as the chip on the old set but it kind of bummed me out. They are my favorite wheel by far and  I had 7 sets prior to those two sets and they never chipped on me that badly before.

* I skated the same spots as always
Not normal, I would reach DLX
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Post by: Noble Experiment on April 05, 2020, 11:04:33 AM
Hey, I just wanted to ask, if someone had the same problem with formula fours chipping recenlty. I chipped my 53m 99a Classics a week ago, but wasnt thinking too much about it because i had them for about 2 months. So I just bought a new set, which I skated today for the first time and it chipped again. The chip is not as big as the chip on the old set but it kind of bummed me out. They are my favorite wheel by far and  I had 7 sets prior to those two sets and they never chipped on me that badly before.

* I skated the same spots as always
The majority of the sets of F4s I’ve had have all done that at one point somewhere down the road. Used to make a big fuss about it when my gear OCD was at its craziest but now I just shrug it off; it doesn’t really effect the performance of the wheel, but I will say that it definitely ain’t the most aesthetically pleasing to look at your wheel and see a giant chunk missing, especially if the wheel is still pretty new.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Maxi205 on April 05, 2020, 11:14:19 AM
Yeah you are kind of right, had small chips on them before and just have ridden through them. But the first chip is for sure too big. So I think i will contact DLX this time, since it was the first session on the second set. Would you contact them via Slap, or go over to their website and fill in their form for their wheels guarantee ?
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Post by: sadnocomply on April 05, 2020, 11:23:04 AM
Yeah you are kind of right, had small chips on them before and just have ridden through them. But the first chip is for sure too big. So I think i will contact DLX this time, since it was the first session on the second set. Would you contact them via Slap, or go over to their website and fill in their form for their wheels guarantee ?
form, & ig message dlx or spitfire or both honestly
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Post by: Maxi205 on April 05, 2020, 11:50:26 AM
Thanks I wrote them a message on IG, they wouldn't let me fill in the form since im from Germany.
Hopefully they will respond.
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Post by: rocklobster on April 05, 2020, 06:46:40 PM
Thanks I wrote them a message on IG, they wouldn't let me fill in the form since im from Germany.
Hopefully they will respond.

DLX has great customer service, I had a less than great experience with my Ishod Twin Tail and they hit me up to arrange a board to be sent to me. I covered the shipping 1/2 way which is fair considering I live in Asia.
Do expect a delay given the current COVID situation though, I think their warehouse / customer service are not operating at full capacity.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Richard Skidder on April 07, 2020, 04:24:55 AM
Hey, I just wanted to ask, if someone had the same problem with formula fours chipping recenlty. I chipped my 53m 99a Classics a week ago, but wasnt thinking too much about it because i had them for about 2 months. So I just bought a new set, which I skated today for the first time and it chipped again. The chip is not as big as the chip on the old set but it kind of bummed me out. They are my favorite wheel by far and  I had 7 sets prior to those two sets and they never chipped on me that badly before.

* I skated the same spots as always
If your regular spot has any wooden ramps/boxes I would check for a screw sticking out. I gouged two sets in a row before realizing it was a screw.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 07, 2020, 03:55:40 PM
I’m thinking about getting a set of 56mm classic f4’s. I usually ride 53mm classic f4’s but my local is out of that size. Would 56mm be too big on an 8.38 board with loose ace 44 trucks?

no. That's my main set up for the last few. Ace 44s loose as possible without up and down play in the pivot area and 56mm wheels. The classic shape is way better than the conical full for avoiding wheel bite.

Rn I'm on the 5.6 with 55 classics loose as they go. A 55mm truck can hold a 56 all day.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on April 08, 2020, 06:04:27 PM
So I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to share some confirmation to the story about the guy who created the F4 and that he did in fact leave DLX to start his own company: https://www.nfgmfg.com/

It briefly talks about it in the description when you scroll down and click the right arrow, Aaron Holm  is his name. I’ve also had a couple shops confirm after getting small runs of wheels from them directly. Makes me wonder how much of the F4 shortage has to do with a “broken machine” or whatever Thiebaud claimed?
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Post by: Reed Richards on April 08, 2020, 07:46:22 PM
So I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to share some confirmation to the story about the guy who created the F4 and that he did in fact leave DLX to start his own company: https://www.nfgmfg.com/

It briefly talks about it in the description when you scroll down and click the right arrow, Aaron Holm  is his name. I’ve also had a couple shops confirm after getting small runs of wheels from them directly. Makes me wonder how much of the F4 shortage has to do with a “broken machine” or whatever Thiebaud claimed?
I think Thiebaud said manufacturing issues in Mexico.  I'm pretty sure DLX wasn't going to roll out F4s without having that formula legally locked up.  Kind of like with comic companies back in the day where they owned any characters created while you were working there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on April 08, 2020, 08:26:52 PM
So I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to share some confirmation to the story about the guy who created the F4 and that he did in fact leave DLX to start his own company: https://www.nfgmfg.com/

It briefly talks about it in the description when you scroll down and click the right arrow, Aaron Holm  is his name. I’ve also had a couple shops confirm after getting small runs of wheels from them directly. Makes me wonder how much of the F4 shortage has to do with a “broken machine” or whatever Thiebaud claimed?

Was hoping they would make a skinnier wheel but their slimmest wheel looks like it's Classic sized.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on April 09, 2020, 08:30:48 AM
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So I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to share some confirmation to the story about the guy who created the F4 and that he did in fact leave DLX to start his own company: https://www.nfgmfg.com/

It briefly talks about it in the description when you scroll down and click the right arrow, Aaron Holm  is his name. I’ve also had a couple shops confirm after getting small runs of wheels from them directly. Makes me wonder how much of the F4 shortage has to do with a “broken machine” or whatever Thiebaud claimed?
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Was hoping they would make a skinnier wheel but their slimmest wheel looks like it's Classic sized.

52 they smallest too. Which makes sense. I should use that as a sign. 52s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: toyo980 on April 09, 2020, 09:14:19 AM
I using worn 56 conical fulls (53 by now) and im interesting in trying 58 mm classics f4, are they good? Do they lock in?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gyros4heroes on April 09, 2020, 04:43:10 PM
I using worn 56 conical fulls (53 by now) and im interesting in trying 58 mm classics f4, are they good? Do they lock in?
someone gave me a used set of 58s and they should be around 53-54 by now. They felt quite weird when i first set them up since my last set had worn down to 50mm or smaller, apart from that they perform amazing, i have been enjoying the extra wide riding surface, they feel great on all terrains and slide really nice. As per locking in, i suck at tranny but grinding ive found crooked grinds dont really work for my with that big/wide of a wheel so i refrained from doing them until recently when they got smaller, any other grind they lock in super nice
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Crabby_Bastard on April 09, 2020, 06:39:26 PM
So I know this has been discussed before, but I wanted to share some confirmation to the story about the guy who created the F4 and that he did in fact leave DLX to start his own company: https://www.nfgmfg.com/

It briefly talks about it in the description when you scroll down and click the right arrow, Aaron Holm  is his name. I’ve also had a couple shops confirm after getting small runs of wheels from them directly. Makes me wonder how much of the F4 shortage has to do with a “broken machine” or whatever Thiebaud claimed?


He started working at DLX shortly after F4 was created. He was not the creator of the formula.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tom on April 10, 2020, 12:38:34 AM
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Thanks I wrote them a message on IG, they wouldn't let me fill in the form since im from Germany.
Hopefully they will respond.
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DLX has great customer service, I had a less than great experience with my Ishod Twin Tail and they hit me up to arrange a board to be sent to me. I covered the shipping 1/2 way which is fair considering I live in Asia.
Do expect a delay given the current COVID situation though, I think their warehouse / customer service are not operating at full capacity.
I’ll attest to the excellent customer service. A long time ago I mentioned here on the boards that I had a new board that felt soft and it cracked within a couple days. Jim Thiebaud personally called the shop I worked at and offered to send me a replacement for it. I’ve always respected that. At that time I primarily only skated Deluxe brands, and I still do to this day


Back to wheels I wish they made the OG Classic shape in an F4 because it looks cool. I’ve skated F4’s since they came out, but I set up a set of regular Classics on a goof around board. Same size, same bearings, but the wheels feel slower. I’m a weirdo and I like colored wheels, so I’m hoping for a green or blue F4 again in the future
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: legion on April 11, 2020, 03:21:18 PM
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Thanks I wrote them a message on IG, they wouldn't let me fill in the form since im from Germany.
Hopefully they will respond.
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DLX has great customer service, I had a less than great experience with my Ishod Twin Tail and they hit me up to arrange a board to be sent to me. I covered the shipping 1/2 way which is fair considering I live in Asia.
Do expect a delay given the current COVID situation though, I think their warehouse / customer service are not operating at full capacity.
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I’ll attest to the excellent customer service. A long time ago I mentioned here on the boards that I had a new board that felt soft and it cracked within a couple days. Jim Thiebaud personally called the shop I worked at and offered to send me a replacement for it. I’ve always respected that. At that time I primarily only skated Deluxe brands, and I still do to this day


Back to wheels I wish they made the OG Classic shape in an F4 because it looks cool. I’ve skated F4’s since they came out, but I set up a set of regular Classics on a goof around board. Same size, same bearings, but the wheels feel slower. I’m a weirdo and I like colored wheels, so I’m hoping for a green or blue F4 again in the future
I'm not sure but I think the OG Classic shape is the same as regular conicals.
SFW's are the same as conical fulls.
Anyone got some to compare?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on April 11, 2020, 06:07:57 PM
53 conical full or tablets? looking for a smoother ride on nyc crust but it's hard to tell the difference just by the measurements spitfire provides
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: legion on April 11, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
53 conical full or tablets? looking for a smoother ride on nyc crust but it's hard to tell the difference just by the measurements spitfire provides
Conical fulls. Width helps smooth out crust.
Idk how crusty NYC is but 53-54mm is for smooth-ish ground to me. My homie out there rocked 53's but he probably skipped on extra crusty spots. 55-57mm for real crust?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on April 11, 2020, 06:26:38 PM
53 conical full or tablets? looking for a smoother ride on nyc crust but it's hard to tell the difference just by the measurements spitfire provides
Conical full
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on April 11, 2020, 06:27:54 PM
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53 conical full or tablets? looking for a smoother ride on nyc crust but it's hard to tell the difference just by the measurements spitfire provides
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Conical fulls. Width helps smooth out crust.
Idk how crusty NYC is but 53-54mm is for smooth-ish ground to me. My homie out there rocked 53's but he probably skipped on extra crusty spots. 55-57mm for real crust?
mix of crust and those stupid sidewalk cracks that pitch me on my radial slims that are worn down to almost 48mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Spaced Cadet on April 14, 2020, 04:37:35 PM
I'm thinking of getting some conical fulls but I'm not sure if I should get 99 or 101D. I've had both 99 and 101 of the F4 classic shape and liked them both. It seemed like the difference between them wasn't as noticeable on rougher ground but I'm curious if a wider wheel would change that. How grippy are the 99s on the conical fulls compared to the 101s?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 14, 2020, 04:47:11 PM
I'm thinking of getting some conical fulls but I'm not sure if I should get 99 or 101D. I've had both 99 and 101 of the F4 classic shape and liked them both. It seemed like the difference between them wasn't as noticeable on rougher ground but I'm curious if a wider wheel would change that. How grippy are the 99s on the conical fulls compared to the 101s?

My 99’s slide noticeably better than my 101’s. The difference in how they feel rolling isn’t too big for me but the slide makes me like the 99’s better
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: legion on April 14, 2020, 05:22:21 PM
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53 conical full or tablets? looking for a smoother ride on nyc crust but it's hard to tell the difference just by the measurements spitfire provides
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Conical fulls. Width helps smooth out crust.
Idk how crusty NYC is but 53-54mm is for smooth-ish ground to me. My homie out there rocked 53's but he probably skipped on extra crusty spots. 55-57mm for real crust?
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mix of crust and those stupid sidewalk cracks that pitch me on my radial slims that are worn down to almost 48mm
For cracks larger diameter is definitely better. Makes concrete seams a lil less annoying too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: drewsmahgoos on April 14, 2020, 06:45:32 PM
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53 conical full or tablets? looking for a smoother ride on nyc crust but it's hard to tell the difference just by the measurements spitfire provides
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Conical fulls. Width helps smooth out crust.
Idk how crusty NYC is but 53-54mm is for smooth-ish ground to me. My homie out there rocked 53's but he probably skipped on extra crusty spots. 55-57mm for real crust?

Meh, biggest thing I've skated for years is 54mm. I live in PA and there's next to nothing that's actually smooth here. I've said it in another thread but I got 54mm pennswood winter tires. They're cruiser wheels(so really soft) taken through a lathe to make them smaller. They've become great for a real crusty spot. Otherwise, I go 53 or under and don't really have much of a problem. The wider the wheel the better though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on April 15, 2020, 04:46:13 AM
shop had the 53 conical fulls in 99a. wanted to try the 101a but would rather put money into the shop instead of shopping online, especially in these times. neckface graphic.

took them for a spin to get some grip in the contact patch and holy fuck they go. the hill nearby my apartment is twice as fast on these spits compared to my mini juices. the usual shit in the street that would try to pitch and kill me was not a problem. as it stands, i might have to get a pair in 56mm for the cruiser and just never ride softies again
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HugeBodBoyle on April 15, 2020, 04:48:25 AM
Conical fulls are just the best shape, imo. Looks good, feels good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jtrpma on April 16, 2020, 03:42:58 PM
Conical fulls are just the best shape, imo. Looks good, feels good.
Second that. I keep coming back to mine even though they are my oldest set of wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on April 16, 2020, 06:57:54 PM
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Conical fulls are just the best shape, imo. Looks good, feels good.
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Second that. I keep coming back to mine even though they are my oldest set of wheels
How old are we talking? Are they tiny? What duro and size?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jtrpma on April 16, 2020, 08:07:46 PM
three years-ish...
Skated a few other sets in the meantime but they are still best.
Went from 58 and are now between 54 and 52, all wheels different sizes, coned out and all shit, still feels better than fresh classics and my stfs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on April 16, 2020, 10:03:00 PM
three years-ish...
Skated a few other sets in the meantime but they are still best.
Went from 58 and are now between 54 and 52, all wheels different sizes, coned out and all shit, still feels better than fresh classics and my stfs
post pics?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jtrpma on April 16, 2020, 10:58:59 PM
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three years-ish...
Skated a few other sets in the meantime but they are still best.
Went from 58 and are now between 54 and 52, all wheels different sizes, coned out and all shit, still feels better than fresh classics and my stfs
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post pics?

(https://i.ibb.co/k0hC6Xh/A16-AD089-0843-4-BE9-926-C-41-E156-D3-E05-E.jpg)
That is fairly recent like a month or two old. I kept rotating them and flipping whenever setting up a new deck.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on April 16, 2020, 11:45:26 PM
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three years-ish...
Skated a few other sets in the meantime but they are still best.
Went from 58 and are now between 54 and 52, all wheels different sizes, coned out and all shit, still feels better than fresh classics and my stfs
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(https://i.ibb.co/k0hC6Xh/A16-AD089-0843-4-BE9-926-C-41-E156-D3-E05-E.jpg)
That is fairly recent like a month or two old. I kept rotating them and flipping whenever setting up a new deck.
So nice thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FredGallsBallz on April 17, 2020, 02:16:53 PM
Is it my imagination or are newer batches of F4's less of a light natural color and more outright tan?  Just got a set of F4 classics and they look weathered as fuck -- not that it matters in the end.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Live Fast Johnny on April 17, 2020, 03:33:06 PM
Is it my imagination or are newer batches of F4's less of a light natural color an more outright tan?  Just got a set of F4 classics and they look weathered as fuck -- not that it matters in the end.

It's not just you.  I just got a set from my local from the re-up batch DLX sent the shops after "the shortage" and they are the darkest ones I have had yet.  Skate exactly the same though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on April 17, 2020, 04:07:12 PM
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Is it my imagination or are newer batches of F4's less of a light natural color an more outright tan?  Just got a set of F4 classics and they look weathered as fuck -- not that it matters in the end.
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It's not just you.  I just got a set from my local from the re-up batch DLX sent the shops after "the shortage" and they are the darkest ones I have had yet.  Skate exactly the same though.

I think I also noticed that slightly
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 17, 2020, 06:04:14 PM
I actually remember my first few sets I had when they first came out all those years back being a lot more of a darker tan color and then over time as the years passed they got lighter and lighter.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on April 17, 2020, 06:28:14 PM
Just chiming in to say that yes, the hype is deserved. The first couple of sessions on my conical full F4s have been great, they're super smooth and fast on the concrete I ride.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 17, 2020, 06:32:02 PM
I actually remember my first few sets I had when they first came out all those years back being a lot more of a darker tan color and then over time as the years passed they got lighter and lighter.

Think they are back to dark again. The more off white the better IMO...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on April 17, 2020, 08:48:31 PM
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I actually remember my first few sets I had when they first came out all those years back being a lot more of a darker tan color and then over time as the years passed they got lighter and lighter.
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Think they are back to dark again. The more off white the better IMO...
I think a 53 classic with the orange and white is A1
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: legion on April 18, 2020, 01:37:17 AM
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53 conical full or tablets? looking for a smoother ride on nyc crust but it's hard to tell the difference just by the measurements spitfire provides
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Conical fulls. Width helps smooth out crust.
Idk how crusty NYC is but 53-54mm is for smooth-ish ground to me. My homie out there rocked 53's but he probably skipped on extra crusty spots. 55-57mm for real crust?
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Meh, biggest thing I've skated for years is 54mm. I live in PA and there's next to nothing that's actually smooth here. I've said it in another thread but I got 54mm pennswood winter tires. They're cruiser wheels(so really soft) taken through a lathe to make them smaller. They've become great for a real crusty spot. Otherwise, I go 53 or under and don't really have much of a problem. The wider the wheel the better though.
If my feet vibrating to the point where they feel numb I start wanting bigger wheels. Maybe I'm just a wimp? I'm usually in classics tho so wider should help. I gotta go wheel hunting..


shop had the 53 conical fulls in 99a. wanted to try the 101a but would rather put money into the shop instead of shopping online, especially in these times. neckface graphic.

took them for a spin to get some grip in the contact patch and holy fuck they go. the hill nearby my apartment is twice as fast on these spits compared to my mini juices. the usual shit in the street that would try to pitch and kill me was not a problem. as it stands, i might have to get a pair in 56mm for the cruiser and just never ride softies again
After riding some really, really wider conicals this is my plan too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on April 18, 2020, 08:08:05 AM
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53 conical full or tablets? looking for a smoother ride on nyc crust but it's hard to tell the difference just by the measurements spitfire provides
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Conical fulls. Width helps smooth out crust.
Idk how crusty NYC is but 53-54mm is for smooth-ish ground to me. My homie out there rocked 53's but he probably skipped on extra crusty spots. 55-57mm for real crust?
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Meh, biggest thing I've skated for years is 54mm. I live in PA and there's next to nothing that's actually smooth here. I've said it in another thread but I got 54mm pennswood winter tires. They're cruiser wheels(so really soft) taken through a lathe to make them smaller. They've become great for a real crusty spot. Otherwise, I go 53 or under and don't really have much of a problem. The wider the wheel the better though.
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If my feet vibrating to the point where they feel numb I start wanting bigger wheels. Maybe I'm just a wimp? I'm usually in classics tho so wider should help. I gotta go wheel hunting..


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shop had the 53 conical fulls in 99a. wanted to try the 101a but would rather put money into the shop instead of shopping online, especially in these times. neckface graphic.

took them for a spin to get some grip in the contact patch and holy fuck they go. the hill nearby my apartment is twice as fast on these spits compared to my mini juices. the usual shit in the street that would try to pitch and kill me was not a problem. as it stands, i might have to get a pair in 56mm for the cruiser and just never ride softies again
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After riding some really, really wider conicals this is my plan too.
i felt the same way. was trying to run radial slims from 52 down to 44mm and i quit at 48. was tired of explaining why i didnt want to skate certain crusty spots and got conical full 53s. these shits roll over anything i swear. can see why people ride the 58s as cruiser wheels, they are much faster than my mini super juice at 55mm 78a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Juanjo789 on April 21, 2020, 12:07:03 AM
what f4 shape is this
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Post by: Quique on April 21, 2020, 02:11:54 AM
Lock-ins?
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Post by: moonordie on April 21, 2020, 05:40:32 AM
what f4 shape is this
Looks like a radial to me.
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Post by: Juanjo789 on April 21, 2020, 11:52:26 AM
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Looks like a radial to me.
the oskis i has werent as wide, i guess these are bigger
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DaSk8D00D on April 21, 2020, 12:14:15 PM
Loving my 53 101 Tablets so far. Skinny enough for easy flips and locking into grinds while having a wide enough contact patch to handle some decent crust
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on April 21, 2020, 12:40:44 PM
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Looks like a radial to me.
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the oskis i has werent as wide, i guess these are bigger
Oskis, the one with the shirt graphic, are concial. I remember other ones with h a dragon that are radial.
Maybe he ones on the photo you showed are 56mm hence wider. Again, I'm not 100% sure if those are radial, is just my guessing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FakieDisaster on April 22, 2020, 02:56:02 AM
i guess i am not the only one out of 100+ pages in this, but just want to confirm, may i conclude that the blue ones are 99du & the red/orange? ones are 101du? ohwait, theres green as well
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on April 22, 2020, 05:07:41 AM
i guess i am not the only one out of 100+ pages in this, but just want to confirm, may i conclude that the blue ones are 99du & the red/orange? ones are 101du? ohwait, theres green as well
They usually are labeled near the inner ring of the wheel but yes, blues are usually 99 and red 101. But just read the core if its labeled.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on April 22, 2020, 04:39:15 PM
This may sound newby but what wheel feels best for flip tricks?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: giantbeardedone on April 22, 2020, 04:49:33 PM
For anyone who's ridden both conical full and tablets, do they handle roughish ground the same? they have almost identical contact patch (21.5mm conicals vs 21mm tablet) so theoretically they should ride the same but tablets are lighter so should be easier to flip?

Hoping someone who's ridden both can hook me up with some info. Thanks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 22, 2020, 08:19:45 PM
This may sound newby but what wheel feels best for flip tricks?

Skateboard wheels.
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Post by: moonordie on April 22, 2020, 08:44:07 PM
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This may sound newby but what wheel feels best for flip tricks?
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Skateboard wheels.
Round ones are good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on April 22, 2020, 09:18:38 PM
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This may sound newby but what wheel feels best for flip tricks?
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Skateboard wheels.
fuck off
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on April 22, 2020, 09:35:50 PM
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This may sound newby but what wheel feels best for flip tricks?
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Skateboard wheels.
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Round ones are good.
I hope your wife/gf gives birth to a millipede and you have to spend the rest of your days slaving away to buy it shoes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on April 22, 2020, 09:38:43 PM
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Skateboard wheels.
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fuck off
I just got some 52mm classics to put on my set up instead of the 53mm conical fulls I had been running. Clearly I have not been keeping up with this thread as that seems to be against the general consensus. I got the classics solely because I think they might flip a little better and all I'm doing these days is skating flat in front of my apartment.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on April 22, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
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Skateboard wheels.
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I just got some 52mm classics to put on my set up instead of the 53mm conical fulls I had been running. Clearly I have not been keeping up with this thread as that seems to be against the general consensus. I got the classics solely because I think they might flip a little better and all I'm doing these days is skating flat in front of my apartment.
Been thinking about skating classics, 101 53's. Or maybe 51 101 radial slims/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on April 23, 2020, 04:46:28 AM
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Skateboard wheels.
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fuck off
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I just got some 52mm classics to put on my set up instead of the 53mm conical fulls I had been running. Clearly I have not been keeping up with this thread as that seems to be against the general consensus. I got the classics solely because I think they might flip a little better and all I'm doing these days is skating flat in front of my apartment.
hows the difference in feel? Rolling and also flipping?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Boog on April 23, 2020, 06:27:08 AM
For anyone who's ridden both conical full and tablets, do they handle roughish ground the same? they have almost identical contact patch (21.5mm conicals vs 21mm tablet) so theoretically they should ride the same but tablets are lighter so should be easier to flip?

Hoping someone who's ridden both can hook me up with some info. Thanks.

They both feel pretty similar in regards to regular riding. The tablets are better for flipping and conical fulls are better all around wheel for parks and street.
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Post by: moonordie on April 23, 2020, 11:04:17 AM
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Skateboard wheels.
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Round ones are good.
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I hope your wife/gf gives birth to a millipede and you have to spend the rest of your days slaving away to buy it shoes
So that way you can a play buddy?
Chill a bit kid, have a laugh better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 23, 2020, 11:44:43 AM
This may sound newby but what wheel feels best for flip tricks?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0y_QjQEX1Z0/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: giantbeardedone on April 23, 2020, 02:42:07 PM
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For anyone who's ridden both conical full and tablets, do they handle roughish ground the same? they have almost identical contact patch (21.5mm conicals vs 21mm tablet) so theoretically they should ride the same but tablets are lighter so should be easier to flip?

Hoping someone who's ridden both can hook me up with some info. Thanks.
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They both feel pretty similar in regards to regular riding. The tablets are better for flipping and conical fulls are better all around wheel for parks and street.

thanks bro. if they feel the same-ish cruising over pavement I think I'll dig the tablets. I'm a giant riding an 8.75 so any weight I can shave helps, even if it's only in my head.
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Post by: Saint Coke on April 23, 2020, 03:24:03 PM
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Skateboard wheels.
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Round ones are good.
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I hope your wife/gf gives birth to a millipede and you have to spend the rest of your days slaving away to buy it shoes
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So that way you can a play buddy?
Chill a bit kid, have a laugh better.
I know English isn't your first language, but what are you trying to say?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chrisskates808 on April 23, 2020, 03:26:48 PM
I believe tablets just came out last year? My phases with F4 was Conical Full, lock ins, now I am into Tablets. Game changer for me!!!
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Post by: giantbeardedone on April 23, 2020, 03:33:06 PM
I believe tablets just came out last year? My phases with F4 was Conical Full, lock ins, now I am into Tablets. Game changer for me!!!

you liking the tablets best? hit me up with some details if you can bro.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CINCINNATI on April 23, 2020, 04:16:02 PM
been on f4 classics the last few years after riding conical fulls before that. just picked up a pair of classic fulls in 56. we'll see how they feel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Boog on April 23, 2020, 04:50:38 PM
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For anyone who's ridden both conical full and tablets, do they handle roughish ground the same? they have almost identical contact patch (21.5mm conicals vs 21mm tablet) so theoretically they should ride the same but tablets are lighter so should be easier to flip?

Hoping someone who's ridden both can hook me up with some info. Thanks.
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They both feel pretty similar in regards to regular riding. The tablets are better for flipping and conical fulls are better all around wheel for parks and street.
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thanks bro. if they feel the same-ish cruising over pavement I think I'll dig the tablets. I'm a giant riding an 8.75 so any weight I can shave helps, even if it's only in my head.
No problem man  Yeah they feel pretty much the same. I think you'll like them. Definitely worth trying.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Onevia on April 23, 2020, 06:10:47 PM
Just got some Embers 54mm 99a Conical Fulls. Interested to see how different they feel on rough shit vs. the 51mm 99a Radial Slims I have now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on April 23, 2020, 08:12:06 PM
Just got some Embers 54mm 99a Conical Fulls. Interested to see how different they feel on rough shit vs. the 51mm 99a Radial Slims I have now.
just made this switch in shape and the difference is night and day. better ride, grip, and control with the conical fulls.   I did like the radial slims but they are a pain in the ass for crusty streets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on April 23, 2020, 08:26:18 PM
Compare the specs. Tablets and conical fills have same riding surface at 54mm. But over that conical fulls really fill out.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/
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Post by: fs1/2cab on April 25, 2020, 01:14:02 PM
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Just got some Embers 54mm 99a Conical Fulls. Interested to see how different they feel on rough shit vs. the 51mm 99a Radial Slims I have now.
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just made this switch in shape and the difference is night and day. better ride, grip, and control with the conical fulls.   I did like the radial slims but they are a pain in the ass for crusty streets

I think it depends on the size of the wheels. And personal preference of course, I found the conical fulls a bit too massive, especially for nose and tailslides. Now I am on Radial Slims and these are awesome so far. Both sets in 54 mm. Just tweaked my ankle, so I am out for a few days/weeks.
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Post by: Juanjo789 on April 25, 2020, 02:44:15 PM
has anybody tried 58mm Classic Shape F4? Are they good?
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Post by: moonordie on April 25, 2020, 03:55:50 PM
has anybody tried 58mm Classic Shape F4? Are they good?
Yup, they turn into Conicals when they're 54mm
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Yup, they turn into Conicals when they're 54mm
could you explain that a little more? im intrigued
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Post by: jay_nev on April 25, 2020, 06:11:53 PM
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could you explain that a little more? im intrigued
as they wear down the contact patch gets wider. Because of the classic shape.
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Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on April 25, 2020, 06:58:29 PM
I love that about the classics.
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Post by: Skart on April 25, 2020, 07:14:57 PM
Idk why but I bought 58 bigheads a while back. Might as well start using them
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Post by: jay_nev on April 25, 2020, 07:26:20 PM
Idk why but I bought 58 bigheads a while back. Might as well start using them
was looking at a pair of bigheads on eBay and thinking about this exact wear down process
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Post by: Diocletian on April 25, 2020, 08:30:28 PM
I have a brand new set of classic formula swirls 58mm if anyone wants em, PM me. I’ll never use em.
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Post by: munchbox on April 25, 2020, 09:27:19 PM
Idk why but I bought 58 bigheads a while back. Might as well start using them
if wheelbite wasnt a thing without risers id be all over those
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on April 28, 2020, 01:24:07 PM
been on f4 classics the last few years after riding conical fulls before that. just picked up a pair of classic fulls in 56. we'll see how they feel.
any update on the classic full shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on April 30, 2020, 05:15:54 PM
Should I get 101 conical fulls or 101 classics 53mm?
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Post by: munchbox on April 30, 2020, 05:33:34 PM
Should I get 101 conical fulls or 101 classics 53mm?
conical full
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Post by: tzhangdox on April 30, 2020, 05:37:39 PM
Should I get 101 conical fulls or 101 classics 53mm?

depends on what you skate and what you want out of your wheel, though either way I much prefer 99s
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Post by: Saint Coke on April 30, 2020, 05:40:31 PM
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I could see why, I'm almost done with my set of conical 99 53's (Which are now 46mm) The conical fulls roll better imo but I've never skated classics.
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Post by: Saint Coke on April 30, 2020, 05:41:49 PM
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depends on what you skate and what you want out of your wheel, though either way I much prefer 99s
Idek what I skate, Mainly hills and some flat ground, I wanna try to skate vert.
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Post by: tzhangdox on April 30, 2020, 05:52:50 PM
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depends on what you skate and what you want out of your wheel, though either way I much prefer 99s
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Idek what I skate, Mainly hills and some flat ground, I wanna try to skate vert.

Classics are worse on shitty ground, but have a slimmer profile and a lighter so a bit easier to flip than chunky wheels. Conical fulls will handle hills and probably tranny better. Classics with the rounded edge seem to slappy a bit easier imo. You also get a little more truck space with classics for grinds.
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Post by: Saint Coke on April 30, 2020, 06:01:15 PM
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depends on what you skate and what you want out of your wheel, though either way I much prefer 99s
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Idek what I skate, Mainly hills and some flat ground, I wanna try to skate vert.
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Where I live in Iowa the ground can get a little crusty but other than that it's fine. I live in a small farm town, so most of the streets here were built 200 sum years ago.

Classics are worse on shitty ground, but have a slimmer profile and a lighter so a bit easier to flip than chunky wheels. Conical fulls will handle hills and probably tranny better. Classics with the rounded edge seem to slappy a bit easier imo. You also get a little more truck space with classics for grinds.
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Post by: shmazz on April 30, 2020, 10:04:58 PM
They’re real good. I think they’re a bit more expensive than most of their other wheels, but they do last a long time and wear out nicely without any flat spots.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on April 30, 2020, 11:13:06 PM
Been riding F4’s since they came out but for some reason never tried the conical or conical full shape. I think I ventured into trying some radials and radial slims but always went back to the good ol’ classic shape. Well, two sessions now on some 56mm 99a conical fulls and man...these are the best fuckin wheels. Super loud chirp, easier to break into a powerslide than the classic shape, yet still grips when I need them to. Might be a conical shaped wheel convert now. 
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Post by: tzhangdox on April 30, 2020, 11:13:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JlfWOmh5jA&t=1s good timing
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Post by: moonordie on May 01, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
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depends on what you skate and what you want out of your wheel, though either way I much prefer 99s
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Idek what I skate, Mainly hills and some flat ground, I wanna try to skate vert.
Conical full, on 99, is your wheel
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 01, 2020, 06:00:58 PM
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depends on what you skate and what you want out of your wheel, though either way I much prefer 99s
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Conical full, on 99, is your wheel
99 feels a bit soft to me though, I rely on that extra bit of slide on 180's and powerslides, perhaps you're right...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fred Gerwer Frank Gall on May 01, 2020, 06:33:23 PM
F4 99s slide just fine. I'm on some 101s right now and I definitely prefer the 99s. The 101s are just a little too icy for me. More of a ledgetarian wheel than a hill bomber.
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 01, 2020, 07:30:18 PM
F4 99s slide just fine. I'm on some 101s right now and I definitely prefer the 99s. The 101s are just a little too icy for me. More of a ledgetarian wheel than a hill bomber.
I could see that, I had a pair of 101 conical fulls that felt really good on certain hills, depends on the type of concrete, if it was that smooth tar stuff then it felt way to icy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on May 01, 2020, 08:11:26 PM
any update on the classic full shape?
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http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Ransom-Classic-Full-56mm-99a-x48980911.htm
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Post by: BL0B on May 01, 2020, 11:12:08 PM
any update on the classic full shape?
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Ransom-Classic-Full-56mm-99a-x48980911.htm
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when the 54's coming?
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Post by: gsosa on May 02, 2020, 12:04:54 PM
any update on the classic full shape?
http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Ransom-Classic-Full-56mm-99a-x48980911.htm
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Classic Full would be like the shape of the Bigheads?
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Post by: sadnocomply on May 02, 2020, 01:15:25 PM
A classic full is basically a radial with a smaller contact patch if anyone was wondering. I have a 54mm classic full lance mountain next to some 54mm kader radials and it looks like the same shape to the untrained eye
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Post by: jay_nev on May 02, 2020, 04:48:49 PM
A classic full is basically a radial with a smaller contact patch if anyone was wondering. I have a 54mm classic full lance mountain next to some 54mm kader radials and it looks like the same shape to the untrained eye
I need visuals and dimensions haha. Classic full like between a classic and a radial, but OG classic like a conical full? and bigheads are...?
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Post by: 144p on May 02, 2020, 05:22:09 PM
I would imagine they are beyond inundated with existing orders and not getting to any new projects so doubtful a 54 will be out soon. Basically if you see a wheel that is close to the shape and size you want you should buy it because in a month or so there may be even less options.


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Post by: Saint Coke on May 02, 2020, 06:02:25 PM
How are the radials?
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Post by: sadnocomply on May 02, 2020, 06:24:17 PM
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I need visuals and dimensions haha. Classic full like between a classic and a radial, but OG classic like a conical full? and bigheads are...?
I shit you not it’s literally this close haha

Classic full 54mm - wheel width 34 riding surface 19
Radial 54 mm - wheel width 34 riding surface 20
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Post by: moonordie on May 02, 2020, 06:44:16 PM
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I need visuals and dimensions haha. Classic full like between a classic and a radial, but OG classic like a conical full? and bigheads are...?
Not what you asked but just in case:
Radial 54 vs classics 53
(https://i.imgur.com/kpVwYPel.jpg)
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Post by: sharkin on May 02, 2020, 07:20:23 PM
Classic fulls are classics but wait, wider.
Just shove a few more mm of contact patch. They’re cool if you want those classic edges but a wider wheel.

I didn’t care for radials all that much. Classics if you want a small wheel, conical fulls if you want a big boi.

All the shapes are good though. Just buy whatever tickles your fancy you won’t be upset.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lukabrazi on May 03, 2020, 08:14:32 AM
Slim pickings out there in the distribution world for F4 right now . Literally can’t find one set of wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on May 03, 2020, 08:28:41 AM
You won’t find a bad f4 shape. On tablets now but I have a pair of the seasons classics just sitting and I’m hoping boredom doesn’t cause me to set them up when I don’t need too. Also been wanting to get another set of radial slims but 53 is kinda hard to come by in 99a so maybe it’s for the better
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Post by: Crabby_Bastard on May 04, 2020, 12:19:11 AM
Slim pickings out there in the distribution world for F4 right now . Literally can’t find one set of wheels

Follow the Spitfire and dlxsf IG stories. They regularly post which shops got new shipments of F4 wheels in.
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Post by: camel filters on May 04, 2020, 05:29:26 AM
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Follow the Spitfire and dlxsf IG stories. They regularly post which shops got new shipments of F4 wheels in.
My local has a good selection. Free shipping if you happen to be in TX
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels
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Post by: Ok on May 04, 2020, 07:34:03 AM

I would imagine they are beyond inundated with existing orders and not getting to any new projects so doubtful a 54 will be out soon. Basically if you see a wheel that is close to the shape and size you want you should buy it because in a month or so there may be even less options.


I have looked far and wide for the perfect set up that restores my youth, but more importantly restores my 360 flips and kickflips. Because I don’t really feel like I’m skating unless I can land those. No luck yet.

56s will be 54s soon enough. And you might like 56s. The COVID has helped me make do with what I have, still get out and have fun, and these ideals or preferences I have don’t change much in the way of results.

We used to buy what the place had, not saying that’s the best route as a consumer, but Goldilocks wouldn’t have been so picky in a pandemic.



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Yeah I fucked something up here in my quoting.
To be clear, I was trying to quote/agree/add my own thoughts to what 144p said.
To whit: there isn’t as many options available, as a tribe we might need to chill on tweaking out about the small details.
This can be liberating and open up new avenues/paths, inform new preferences.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lukabrazi on May 04, 2020, 08:50:03 AM
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Follow the Spitfire and dlxsf IG stories. They regularly post which shops got new shipments of F4 wheels in.

I am actually trying to purchase wheels for a shop. deluxe just hasn’t gotten back to us, we’ve been open over a year , and still nothing in terms of getting hooked up direct thru them, so we use AWH/ Eastern.

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Post by: Crabby_Bastard on May 04, 2020, 10:59:53 AM
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Follow the Spitfire and dlxsf IG stories. They regularly post which shops got new shipments of F4 wheels in.
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I am actually trying to purchase wheels for a shop. deluxe just hasn’t gotten back to us, we’ve been open over a year , and still nothing in terms of getting hooked up direct thru them, so we use AWH/ Eastern.

That's shitty!
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Post by: Utopos on May 04, 2020, 11:35:29 AM
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Follow the Spitfire and dlxsf IG stories. They regularly post which shops got new shipments of F4 wheels in.
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My local has a good selection. Free shipping if you happen to be in TX
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels

Such a dope shop.
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Post by: Xen on May 04, 2020, 05:28:44 PM
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Follow the Spitfire and dlxsf IG stories. They regularly post which shops got new shipments of F4 wheels in.
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My local has a good selection. Free shipping if you happen to be in TX
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels
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Such a dope shop.

Was my goto when I lived there.

Plenty of classics at Tactics: https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-classic-skateboard-wheels/white-orange-classic-swirl-99d
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Post by: gaunting on May 04, 2020, 07:25:29 PM
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Follow the Spitfire and dlxsf IG stories. They regularly post which shops got new shipments of F4 wheels in.
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My local has a good selection. Free shipping if you happen to be in TX
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels
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Such a dope shop.
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Was my goto when I lived there.

Plenty of classics at Tactics: https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-classic-skateboard-wheels/white-orange-classic-swirl-99d

hell yes, 53 f4 classics are the best
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on May 05, 2020, 08:49:33 PM
i've been a bones guy for a long time now but i want to try spitfires are. i never see a spitfire shape like the bones v3 though
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Post by: lysdexia on May 05, 2020, 08:57:36 PM
i've been a bones guy for a long time now but i want to try spitfires are. i never see a spitfire shape like the bones v3 though

radial slim.  not the exact shape, but that would be the spitfire V3 equivalent
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Post by: Xen on May 06, 2020, 09:40:44 AM
i've been a bones guy for a long time now but i want to try spitfires are. i never see a spitfire shape like the bones v3 though

There really isn't one since Spit doesn't have a 'slim' tech wheel; Radial slims are closer to the BONES V2

The V3 is basically a skinny V1, so the old Reynold's classic slim would have been the closest.
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Post by: imuseless on May 06, 2020, 11:03:21 AM
I usually skate conical full 54mm, I got AA wheel in 53mm since 54 was not available. Should have gone to 55mm, I can't feel the benefits of smaller wheel, but I can definitely feel the smaller contact patch on rough grounds.
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Post by: gaunting on May 06, 2020, 11:10:21 AM
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There really isn't one since Spit doesn't have a 'slim' tech wheel; Radial slims are closer to the BONES V2

The V3 is basically a skinny V1, so the old Reynold's classic slim would have been the closest.

about 4 years ago, Reynolds had an f4 wheel on spit  called the “classic slim” had them in 52..not bad.
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Post by: tzhangdox on May 06, 2020, 11:26:19 AM
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There really isn't one since Spit doesn't have a 'slim' tech wheel; Radial slims are closer to the BONES V2

The V3 is basically a skinny V1, so the old Reynold's classic slim would have been the closest.
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about 4 years ago, Reynolds had an f4 wheel on spit  called the “classic slim” had them in 52..not bad.

Those were great for smooth ground but fucked for anything less than perfect.
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Post by: gaunting on May 06, 2020, 11:38:06 AM
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There really isn't one since Spit doesn't have a 'slim' tech wheel; Radial slims are closer to the BONES V2

The V3 is basically a skinny V1, so the old Reynold's classic slim would have been the closest.
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about 4 years ago, Reynolds had an f4 wheel on spit  called the “classic slim” had them in 52..not bad.
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Those were great for smooth ground but fucked for anything less than perfect.

very true.
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 06, 2020, 06:56:15 PM
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There really isn't one since Spit doesn't have a 'slim' tech wheel; Radial slims are closer to the BONES V2

The V3 is basically a skinny V1, so the old Reynold's classic slim would have been the closest.
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about 4 years ago, Reynolds had an f4 wheel on spit  called the “classic slim” had them in 52..not bad.
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Those were great for smooth ground but fucked for anything less than perfect.
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very true.
I think I had a pair of these in 52 in 101d.
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Post by: Xen on May 06, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
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There really isn't one since Spit doesn't have a 'slim' tech wheel; Radial slims are closer to the BONES V2

The V3 is basically a skinny V1, so the old Reynold's classic slim would have been the closest.
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about 4 years ago, Reynolds had an f4 wheel on spit  called the “classic slim” had them in 52..not bad.
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Those were great for smooth ground but fucked for anything less than perfect.
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very true.
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I think I had a pair of these in 52 in 101d.

The one drop was in 99a, which is why I didn't buy them.
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 06, 2020, 07:35:23 PM
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There really isn't one since Spit doesn't have a 'slim' tech wheel; Radial slims are closer to the BONES V2

The V3 is basically a skinny V1, so the old Reynold's classic slim would have been the closest.
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about 4 years ago, Reynolds had an f4 wheel on spit  called the “classic slim” had them in 52..not bad.
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Those were great for smooth ground but fucked for anything less than perfect.
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very true.
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I think I had a pair of these in 52 in 101d.
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The one drop was in 99a, which is why I didn't buy them.
Hmm then maybe my classics felt small. I am probably wrong.
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Post by: jay_nev on May 06, 2020, 07:45:01 PM
I usually skate conical full 54mm, I got AA wheel in 53mm since 54 was not available. Should have gone to 55mm, I can't feel the benefits of smaller wheel, but I can definitely feel the smaller contact patch on rough grounds.
thank you. havent had conical fulls yet, but nothing but 54 + it is
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Post by: Esmith5488 on May 06, 2020, 07:45:41 PM
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There really isn't one since Spit doesn't have a 'slim' tech wheel; Radial slims are closer to the BONES V2

The V3 is basically a skinny V1, so the old Reynold's classic slim would have been the closest.
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about 4 years ago, Reynolds had an f4 wheel on spit  called the “classic slim” had them in 52..not bad.
Come to think of it I might have had those. I need to look in my storage but I think the graphic was him in a beanie?
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Post by: Saint Coke on May 06, 2020, 07:52:58 PM
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There really isn't one since Spit doesn't have a 'slim' tech wheel; Radial slims are closer to the BONES V2

The V3 is basically a skinny V1, so the old Reynold's classic slim would have been the closest.
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about 4 years ago, Reynolds had an f4 wheel on spit  called the “classic slim” had them in 52..not bad.
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Come to think of it I might have had those. I need to look in my storage but I think the graphic was him in a beanie?
It's a lady with a tommy gun.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Saint Coke on May 07, 2020, 06:28:39 PM
So I am learning to skate a metal ramp, Got drop in's down, learning to pump better, I am wondering what wheel duro and shape would be best? I was thinking a 53mm 99d Conical Full, Would 101's be too icy? Should I got up a few mm?
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Post by: Digital Rasta on May 08, 2020, 06:46:29 AM
Bought a set of the gray radial F4's in 56mm for my tranny setup/hill bomber. I powerslide a lot and needed something that was not going to flatspot. Found em on eBay for $35 shipped, not a bad deal
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Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on May 09, 2020, 08:15:25 AM
Not too bad!

Have a set of orange 54mm 101 tablets that are on deck, they look very nice.
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Post by: jay_nev on May 11, 2020, 05:12:29 AM
Good reference images


(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-j2hxjs/images/stencil/2048x2048/products/13864/56832/conicalfull-53__68599.1587493436.jpg?c=2)
(https://www.slapmagazine.com/blob:https://www.slapmagazine.com/c69bd566-3874-4d3a-98fa-8250d168a110)


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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 12, 2020, 09:42:35 PM
I can't tell any different between the 99a and the 101a. I do prefer the color blue. I can't stand the color Ded. Slobs succ
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: NG on May 17, 2020, 11:36:54 AM
Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on May 17, 2020, 11:43:23 AM
Good reference images


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Also best size, for me, good taste ye
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on May 17, 2020, 11:50:11 AM
Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
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never have i ever
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sadnocomply on May 17, 2020, 11:53:01 AM
Wow wow wow wow wowie! That’s some bullshit. DLX should def get you squared away! Never seen anything like that before
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on May 17, 2020, 11:57:18 AM
that image of the split wheel is crazy dude....damn. like the other dude said, i’m sure DLX will hook you up but that is fucking gnarly
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Solid bowlcut on May 17, 2020, 12:00:49 PM
That is some fucked up shit. Fortunately DLX has great customer service from my experience
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: NG on May 17, 2020, 12:04:32 PM
Yeah not so worried I'm sure they'll be good for it... More just really interested as this is a total new one! you can see little fibres of the urethane that tore inside. Makes me think of a fault in the mix / curing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Weezil on May 17, 2020, 01:01:11 PM
damn that's wild. I'm sure defects will be a little more common because they've been probably trying to keep up with all the demand. as stated though dlx has the best customer service and will right that shit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 17, 2020, 01:10:52 PM
I've had that happen on the first sesh with a set of radial slims too, late last year. Maybe a bad batch. DLX came through after an email. The other 3 wheels were still great though, ended up running them with an old classic I had while waiting for the replacement set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sgm06sti on May 17, 2020, 01:46:05 PM
Anyone try the tablets and have switched back to something else ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 17, 2020, 01:52:59 PM
Anyone try the tablets and have switched back to something else ?

Yeah they weren't bad by any means, no spitfire f4 is bad, but I definitely prefer radial slims over tablets. Some may feel the opposite.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sgm06sti on May 17, 2020, 02:49:59 PM
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Yeah they weren't bad by any means, no spitfire f4 is bad, but I definitely prefer radial slims over tablets. Some may feel the opposite.

What did you like about the radial slims over the tablets ?

Thanks for the info by the way
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skart on May 17, 2020, 04:49:13 PM
That wheel crack is a great picture without the hand
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on May 17, 2020, 05:42:53 PM
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Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
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never have i ever
What's going on here?
First time seeing sth like that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on May 17, 2020, 06:11:29 PM
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Anyone try the tablets and have switched back to something else ?
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Yeah they weren't bad by any means, no spitfire f4 is bad, but I definitely prefer radial slims over tablets. Some may feel the opposite.
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What did you like about the radial slims over the tablets ?

Thanks for the info by the way
Currently on tablets and I have a set of radial slims in 99a on their way this week. I tend to go back and fourth between radial slims classics and now tablets but to me the radial slims and tablets are pretty similar
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on May 17, 2020, 08:40:43 PM
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Yeah they weren't bad by any means, no spitfire f4 is bad, but I definitely prefer radial slims over tablets. Some may feel the opposite.
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What did you like about the radial slims over the tablets ?

Thanks for the info by the way
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Currently on tablets and I have a set of radial slims in 99a on their way this week. I tend to go back and fourth between radial slims classics and now tablets but to me the radial slims and tablets are pretty similar
see i loved radial slims and im liking the conical fulls. have a feeling tablets are in the middle of both? or do they feel much clunkier?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on May 17, 2020, 08:46:04 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SPITFIRE-53MM-99DU-FORMULA-FOUR-ALLEN-DOUBLE-A-CONICAL-FULL-WHEELS-NATURAL/114219728099

Aight so AA conical full 53mm just sold for SIXTY EIGHT DOLLARS ... what?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 17, 2020, 09:34:07 PM
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Yeah they weren't bad by any means, no spitfire f4 is bad, but I definitely prefer radial slims over tablets. Some may feel the opposite.
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What did you like about the radial slims over the tablets ?

Thanks for the info by the way

Radial slims:
- slimmer riding surface at first plus the taper makes them feel a bit lighter and more nimble
- feels faster to me on smooth ground
- the fact that its not completely flat makes them less likely to hang up and they slappy better
- i like the way they look more

Tablets:
- lock in slightly better on round rails and chunky ledges (but radial slims lock in really good too, not a big difference)
- more riding surface straight away, can handle rough ground better for sure (though radial slims still have a decent contact patch, more than classics so they aren't bad by any means)

If you value absolute lock in ability or skate rough terrain you'll probably like tablets more, but personally I prefer radial slims for the above reasons.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shpongle on May 17, 2020, 11:00:19 PM
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Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
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What's going on here?
First time seeing sth like that.

can you let us know what DLX says? if they fully refund your money or give you another set, etc.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lysdexia on May 17, 2020, 11:05:30 PM
Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
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were the bearings incredibly tight in there before it split?  my last set of 53mm radial slims have what seem to be poorly moulded/machined cores.  the bearings were really hard to install, and don't seat all the way in.  they skate perfectly fine, so i was never particularly concerned by it, but i reckon i can see how it could split like that if there was the same core issue along with a defect in the urethane somewhere there, enough force in to tight a hole, and something has to give!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Trashcon on May 18, 2020, 12:10:41 AM
Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/PNbTY80/IMG-20200517-112436.jpg)

Keep us updated. Hope they replaced. I've seen this happen with other wheels. Never with Spitfires though. This happened to a friend YEARS ago. Bam Element wheels, in like 2002/2003. Took him to the shop and were replaced without a hassle. I want to say he got the same ones again because it happened twice back to back. He ended up getting another brand the third time. Recently went back to Spitfires after having Ricta's for years and have had no issues with them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 18, 2020, 12:27:44 AM
If the bearing slot is too tight it definitely won't help but I don't necessarily think that its what split the wheel, especially if there wasn't too much trouble getting the bearing in in the first place.

When this happened to me on f4 radial slims, I had just set them up and skated 3 mins down to my local spot (some slightly rough ground and some powersliding) and by the time I got there one of my wheels was split in half like this.

Upon closer inspection the split wheel had gathered noticeably more dust on the contact patch and looked much darker than the others despite it rolling over the same terrain... kinda leads me to believe that it was a faulty batch of urethane.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sgm06sti on May 18, 2020, 01:42:22 AM
Thanks dox for the detailed reply. Very helpful
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Poseur on May 18, 2020, 04:36:05 AM
Can anyone recommend me a shape of formula 4's? I've skated for 15 years and never ridden anything but 53mm STF V3's. Always just stuck with what I know I suppose, but these current set are starting to get pretty worn down and I've found I wanna try something new, seems F4's are by far the most recommended wheel.

I've been eyeing up conical slims or just regular conicals. What advantages do the wider contact patch really have?  Mainly a park skater, ledges, transition. Not really too technical. Anything else to consider? Cheers!

Wider contact patch is really good for tranny, give you just a little extra grip while still able to slide. Adds a bit of extra weight, but not enough to worry about.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2020, 08:39:34 AM
Can anyone recommend me a shape of formula 4's? I've skated for 15 years and never ridden anything but 53mm STF V3's. Always just stuck with what I know I suppose, but these current set are starting to get pretty worn down and I've found I wanna try something new, seems F4's are by far the most recommended wheel.

I've been eyeing up conical slims or just regular conicals. What advantages do the wider contact patch really have?  Mainly a park skater, ledges, transition. Not really too technical. Anything else to consider? Cheers!

Radial slims!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 411bandit on May 18, 2020, 02:38:14 PM
Does anyone really notice the difference between f4 101 and 99.

Currently riding 101 f4 classic shapes. The terrain in my town is pretty shitty so I'd like something a bit softer.

I'm strapped for cash though so not sure if the investment is worth it
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on May 18, 2020, 02:43:27 PM
Does anyone really notice the difference between f4 101 and 99.

Currently riding 101 f4 classic shapes. The terrain in my town is pretty shitty so I'd like something a bit softer.

I'm strapped for cash though so not sure if the investment is worth it
I only notice the different on power slides really. I would go 99a for almost everything
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 18, 2020, 03:02:13 PM
Definitely prefer 99s, just that little bit more forgiving on less than perfect ground.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2020, 03:13:00 PM
Definitely prefer 99s, just that little bit more forgiving on less than perfect ground.

I used to be die hard 101/103a or nothing but lately hitting the crustier spots I've warmed up to 99s again (STF Easy streets all week after 101a Radial Slims - enjoyed the 99 STFs much more); just picked up some 99a 53mm Lock-ins for a change of pace (holy hell finding 99a lockins was like pulling teeth - if you want a set lemme know and I will point you in the right direction 53s or 52s in stock).

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on May 18, 2020, 04:22:39 PM
I might get the classic formula spits in the OG classic shape (exact same as conical full??) to switch things up. Will they feel a decent amount smoother on rough?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on May 18, 2020, 04:34:28 PM
I might get the classic formula spits in the OG classic shape (exact same as conical full??) to switch things up. Will they feel a decent amount smoother on rough?

i love og classics. i live in NY so they feel good to me for all around shit. definitely more of noticeable grip compared to f4s.(still prefer f4s in a park or anything super smooth) the difference is there but its not drastic, you can still slide them but may just feel more resistance
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on May 18, 2020, 06:31:04 PM
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i love og classics. i live in NY so they feel good to me for all around shit. definitely more of noticeable grip compared to f4s.(still prefer f4s in a park or anything super smooth) the difference is there but its not drastic, you can still slide them but may just feel more resistance
nice good call. Smoothness? Any comparisons there? Dont mind so much the grip, makes complete sense though. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skart on May 18, 2020, 06:47:41 PM
I see 101's on the package and my knees are like

N a h
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on May 18, 2020, 09:40:00 PM
I see 101's on the package and my knees are like

N a h
i skate cupsolesand looking to get footprint orthotics so that should balance it out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 18, 2020, 10:42:46 PM
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I see 101's on the package and my knees are like

N a h
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i skate cupsolesand looking to get footprint orthotics so that should balance it out

101s+FP insoles+shit streets still means rattled teeth and sore knees

Wood and crust 99s

Park and plazas 101/103+
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on May 19, 2020, 09:05:26 AM
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i love og classics. i live in NY so they feel good to me for all around shit. definitely more of noticeable grip compared to f4s.(still prefer f4s in a park or anything super smooth) the difference is there but its not drastic, you can still slide them but may just feel more resistance
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nice good call. Smoothness? Any comparisons there? Dont mind so much the grip, makes complete sense though.

the smoothness is definitely less noticeable than on f4s.  i feel like you cant compare to the smoothness of an f4.  the og classics have very tiny tread on the wheels where they contact the ground.  they also are more susceptible to flatspotting than an f4 but that should go without saying.  i def recommend a pair,  theyre my favorite shaped/looking wheel out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on May 19, 2020, 10:37:12 AM
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I see 101's on the package and my knees are like

N a h
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i skate cupsolesand looking to get footprint orthotics so that should balance it out
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101s+FP insoles+shit streets still means rattled teeth and sore knees

Wood and crust 99s

Park and plazas 101/103+

So true about joints and harder wheels.
 It’s probably been a decade since I had a p2 (some fairly small Appleyard, that was actually really fun) but I remember that board making my knees hurt too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on May 20, 2020, 07:14:10 AM
I imagine 101 conical fulls have to be insanely slippery. I'm on the 99's and they're the easiest wheels to powerslide and sometimes I don't feel that extra grip you'd think they would have. No complaints though, best wheels ever.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thebacker on May 20, 2020, 08:36:05 AM
Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/PNbTY80/IMG-20200517-112436.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euI3v2jpTlI
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SneakySecrets on May 20, 2020, 09:32:40 AM
^Holy shit dude.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on May 20, 2020, 04:15:52 PM
Non colored 56mm conical fulls 99a available anywhere?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on May 20, 2020, 05:23:18 PM

^

https://laborskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/formula-four-99d-conical-full-56mm?variant=30985205874790
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on May 20, 2020, 08:40:05 PM

^

https://laborskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/formula-four-99d-conical-full-56mm?variant=30985205874790
hell yeah thank you was looking for days. looks like per their IG a few hours ago they just got a shipment in
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chappers on June 12, 2020, 04:17:04 PM
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i love og classics. i live in NY so they feel good to me for all around shit. definitely more of noticeable grip compared to f4s.(still prefer f4s in a park or anything super smooth) the difference is there but its not drastic, you can still slide them but may just feel more resistance
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nice good call. Smoothness? Any comparisons there? Dont mind so much the grip, makes complete sense though.
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the smoothness is definitely less noticeable than on f4s.  i feel like you cant compare to the smoothness of an f4.  the og classics have very tiny tread on the wheels where they contact the ground.  they also are more susceptible to flatspotting than an f4 but that should go without saying.  i def recommend a pair,  theyre my favorite shaped/looking wheel out

are bigheads the same as og classics? bigheads are more readily available in shops here over og classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skart on June 12, 2020, 04:38:59 PM
Rounder sidewalls

Bigheads are heavy af
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Weezil on June 12, 2020, 05:08:32 PM
I thought bigheads and classics were the same shape?

always liked bigheads for the graphic on them, but have love for the swirl now. but if bigheads are wider I might have to snag a set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Shuh on June 15, 2020, 02:52:34 AM
The grey Radials f4 are in my country, I don't know what spitfire was thinking that color its straight up ugly. Could not pull the trigger because of that
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on June 15, 2020, 07:01:48 AM
Not that I really care (cuz I actually kinda like the natural off-white look), but if Spitfire is capable of making a bunch of different colored Formula Fours, you'd think they'd dye a pure white one too?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: palelight on June 15, 2020, 08:30:28 AM
I thought bigheads and classics were the same shape?

always liked bigheads for the graphic on them, but have love for the swirl now. but if bigheads are wider I might have to snag a set.

Same basic shape as classics, slightly wider overall and slightly wider contact patch. They don't have that handy sizing chart for the bigheads like they do with F4's, but it's a couple mm's per wheel size.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Chatbot on June 15, 2020, 09:00:51 AM
I've been skating 52-53mm for ever now but recently I was only able to find 56mm. I thought I'd be bummed that they would be too big but I'm actually hyped on them. Full conical 99d 56mm the new go to
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on June 15, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
I've been skating 52-53mm for ever now but recently I was only able to find 56mm. I thought I'd be bummed that they would be too big but I'm actually hyped on them. Full conical 99d 56mm the new go to
On what trucks/height? Considering 56mm conical fulls w 53.5mm high venture 6.1
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Chatbot on June 15, 2020, 10:07:44 AM
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On what trucks/height? Considering 56mm conical fulls w 53.5mm high venture 6.1

Thunder 147s. I also threw on 1/8 risers just for a little extra wheelbite precaution
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 256 Ply on June 15, 2020, 11:30:15 AM
Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/PNbTY80/IMG-20200517-112436.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/El17Qno.jpg)
Saw this before years back. Deluxe covered it, no hassles whatsoever.
Surprised to see that happen again though, a very weird, specific defect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on June 16, 2020, 11:54:24 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CBgTZ0Mj5Gm/?igshid=1a9rsarmjkq2k

“Last batch we get for a while” and also see comments, not urethane shortage but factory
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 16, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
Damn. Does anyone know what the deal actually is with all this? Like is it 100% due to COVID closures or is there something else?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stigmata on June 16, 2020, 09:37:50 PM
I really wanna try out some OG classics. Are the SFW's just non-formula four lock ins?
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Post by: Big Baby Jesus on June 17, 2020, 04:00:44 AM
I really wanna try out some OG classics. Are the SFW's just non-formula four lock ins?

I'm on 55mm sfw. They're basically og formula conical fulls. Love em.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on June 17, 2020, 05:13:58 AM
So any difference between sfw and og classic shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spanyard on June 17, 2020, 05:22:24 AM
SFW are 99% identical to The shape of F4 conical fulls, but classic non-F4 formula with the tiny threaded/ribbed surface on the contact patch.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FredGallsBallz on June 17, 2020, 08:58:11 AM
This isn't a Spitfire specific question but I only ride Spitfire, so I'm dropping it here. Do conical, radial and the other shapes with a wide riding service cone at the same rate/manner as the classic shapes? Has anyone ever paid attention to this? Peace.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paperclip20 on June 17, 2020, 10:17:24 AM
This isn't a Spitfire specific question but I only ride Spitfire, so I'm dropping it here. Do conical, radial and the other shapes with a wide riding service cone at the same rate/manner as the classic shapes? Has anyone ever paid attention to this? Peace.

they don't necessarily cone faster but personally I have found it more noticeable on conicals since they have that more squared shape. All you need to do is rotate them like once per month, or I do whenever I switch decks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FredGallsBallz on June 17, 2020, 10:42:45 AM
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This isn't a Spitfire specific question but I only ride Spitfire, so I'm dropping it here. Do conical, radial and the other shapes with a wide riding service cone at the same rate/manner as the classic shapes? Has anyone ever paid attention to this? Peace.
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they don't necessarily cone faster but personally I have found it more noticeable on conicals since they have that more squared shape. All you need to do is rotate them like once per month, or I do whenever I switch decks.

Thanks, that's what I figured. I hate taking the wheels off the axles because I'm worried I'll never get the nut to thread correctly again. But that's a topic for another thread.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on June 17, 2020, 10:44:42 AM
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This isn't a Spitfire specific question but I only ride Spitfire, so I'm dropping it here. Do conical, radial and the other shapes with a wide riding service cone at the same rate/manner as the classic shapes? Has anyone ever paid attention to this? Peace.
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they don't necessarily cone faster but personally I have found it more noticeable on conicals since they have that more squared shape. All you need to do is rotate them like once per month, or I do whenever I switch decks.
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Thanks, that's what I figured. I hate taking the wheels off the axles because I'm worried I'll never get the nut to thread correctly again. But that's a topic for another thread.
Just get the Indy skate tool with the rethreader thingy (or any other brand that has that)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on June 17, 2020, 10:44:52 AM
My shop got a bunch of Tablets in so I picked up a set in case another shortage comes through. My current set still have some life left but I can't wait to try these out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on June 17, 2020, 11:09:25 AM
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This isn't a Spitfire specific question but I only ride Spitfire, so I'm dropping it here. Do conical, radial and the other shapes with a wide riding service cone at the same rate/manner as the classic shapes? Has anyone ever paid attention to this? Peace.
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they don't necessarily cone faster but personally I have found it more noticeable on conicals since they have that more squared shape. All you need to do is rotate them like once per month, or I do whenever I switch decks.
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Thanks, that's what I figured. I hate taking the wheels off the axles because I'm worried I'll never get the nut to thread correctly again. But that's a topic for another thread.
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Just get the Indy skate tool with the rethreader thingy (or any other brand that has that)

Juanjo789 got your cure
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on June 17, 2020, 09:36:50 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143634633456

Wtf is this??

Seller has bunch of other F4 bundles
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on June 17, 2020, 09:59:24 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143634633456

Wtf is this??

Seller has bunch of other F4 bundles

I clicked into the seller's page but didn't see any other products. Are the other F4s Classics and Radial Slims? They could be fakes from China, widely available on Taobao and Aliexpress.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thelonelynow on June 17, 2020, 10:07:43 PM
Item Location: Japan

Then for me it says "This item does not ship to Japan".

I guess because you will go to prison selling counterfeit items here or the vendor is scared a local buyer would come track them down and then not bow when they greeted them and demanded a refund.

Also, a good way to be publicly shamed in the local newspaper.

Edit: Or perhaps they aren't fakes and this is why we rarely have Spitfires here for the past year. This guy is a postal Ninja and intercepts all shipments to shops containing Formula Fours!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on June 17, 2020, 10:15:12 PM
Weird. Yeah more wheel bundles

https://www.ebay.com/itm/143634633281

https://www.ebay.com/itm/143634633391

Also completes, a bunch of them
https://www.ebay.com/itm/143634633239
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 17, 2020, 10:28:03 PM
Item Location: Japan

Then for me it says "This item does not ship to Japan".

I guess because you will go to prison selling counterfeit items here or the vendor is scared a local buyer would come track them down and then not bow when they greeted them and demanded a refund.

Also, a good way to be publicly shamed in the local newspaper.

Edit: Or perhaps they aren't fakes and this is why we rarely have Spitfires here for the past year. This guy is a postal Ninja and intercepts all shipments to shops containing Formula Fours!
be careful too because a few Local shops in Japan have recently reported individual sellers selling fake F4s on places like  eBay and mericari etc.
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Post by: thelonelynow on June 17, 2020, 10:36:07 PM
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Item Location: Japan

Then for me it says "This item does not ship to Japan".

I guess because you will go to prison selling counterfeit items here or the vendor is scared a local buyer would come track them down and then not bow when they greeted them and demanded a refund.

Also, a good way to be publicly shamed in the local newspaper.

Edit: Or perhaps they aren't fakes and this is why we rarely have Spitfires here for the past year. This guy is a postal Ninja and intercepts all shipments to shops containing Formula Fours!
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be careful too because a few Local shops in Japan have recently reported individual sellers selling fake F4s on places like  eBay and mericari etc.

Oh for sure! The only legit F4's we've had since last June in my local shop are some Black 58mm Classics and the Gray 54mm Radials I got, which they had 3 sets of. I sometimes order from Prime Tokyo as they are DLX's seemingly favorite shop to keep supplied but even they have been out forever...

(https://i.imgur.com/iwBM370.png)

That guy won't ship local to Japan, that makes it smell fishy right away!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on June 17, 2020, 10:43:36 PM
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Item Location: Japan

Then for me it says "This item does not ship to Japan".

I guess because you will go to prison selling counterfeit items here or the vendor is scared a local buyer would come track them down and then not bow when they greeted them and demanded a refund.

Also, a good way to be publicly shamed in the local newspaper.

Edit: Or perhaps they aren't fakes and this is why we rarely have Spitfires here for the past year. This guy is a postal Ninja and intercepts all shipments to shops containing Formula Fours!
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be careful too because a few Local shops in Japan have recently reported individual sellers selling fake F4s on places like  eBay and mericari etc.

They started with selling wheels from defunt brands (Deca, Industrial Rideshop) or older stock of popular ones (Girl, Pig) but have started selling Spitfires in the past 3-4 months. A friend bought a set from a local seller and there were a few glaring mistakes.

Durometer printed on the wheel was 100d.
Bone white instead of yellow/white.

The online sellers also sell old Royal, Destructo and Independent trucks. They also do counterfeit Element, Baker, DGK and Supreme decks while selling ex-stock of older Crail products with Guy Mariano's name on the boards. They even have a wheel and truck brand named Koston.

https://skatesky.en.alibaba.com/product/660297438-212640125/Wholesale_price_mixed_color_PU_skate_wheel_51mm_for_skateboard_wheels.html?spm=a2700.icbuShop.41413.9.67535de3L3AiSe
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: giant_skater on June 19, 2020, 01:17:49 AM
I rode tablets for a month then switched up to conical fulls. the tabs were mint at parks and lock in mint but are noticeably rougher on streets. smallest rock and they threw my ass. conical fulls are perfect for both wont ride anything else now. love their smooth ride and stability and they still pop sweet. straight street crusher. 52mm 99a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on June 19, 2020, 05:51:59 AM
Has anyone seen some 101 52mm conical fulls recently? Can’t find a pair to save my life
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on June 19, 2020, 08:04:04 AM
Has anyone seen some 101 52mm conical fulls recently? Can’t find a pair to save my life
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224050372591

Just listed
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on June 19, 2020, 02:55:28 PM
Has anyone seen some 101 52mm conical fulls recently? Can’t find a pair to save my life

52's
https://www.furnaceskate.com/collections/wheels/products/formula-four-101d-conical-full
https://35thnorth.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-wheels-conical-full-101


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Post by: Juanjo789 on June 21, 2020, 12:14:23 AM
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This isn't a Spitfire specific question but I only ride Spitfire, so I'm dropping it here. Do conical, radial and the other shapes with a wide riding service cone at the same rate/manner as the classic shapes? Has anyone ever paid attention to this? Peace.
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they don't necessarily cone faster but personally I have found it more noticeable on conicals since they have that more squared shape. All you need to do is rotate them like once per month, or I do whenever I switch decks.
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Thanks, that's what I figured. I hate taking the wheels off the axles because I'm worried I'll never get the nut to thread correctly again. But that's a topic for another thread.
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Just get the Indy skate tool with the rethreader thingy (or any other brand that has that)
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Juanjo789 got your cure
sup
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ish_wav on June 21, 2020, 11:45:16 AM
So what’s the deal with the lack of formula fours literally anywhere? I don’t change wheels very often but I’m in desperate need of a new set and Skate Warehouse doesn’t even have them as a list of brands in the wheels section.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on June 21, 2020, 11:55:07 AM
So what’s the deal with the lack of formula fours literally anywhere? I don’t change wheels very often but I’m in desperate need of a new set and Skate Warehouse doesn’t even have them as a list of brands in the wheels section.

Look harder, plenty shops still have em, your options will probably just be more limited.

First three sites I went to had em stocked...peep Parade.

edit: I’m assuming you are US, apologies if you’re overseas but it may be tougher to find in that case.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on June 21, 2020, 12:52:47 PM
So what’s the deal with the lack of formula fours literally anywhere? I don’t change wheels very often but I’m in desperate need of a new set and Skate Warehouse doesn’t even have them as a list of brands in the wheels section.


Try parade. That links you to actual skate shops.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on June 21, 2020, 06:01:02 PM
Was at my local shop trying to get F4s and they said something about how they received an e-mail from deluxe the other day about how they’re shutting down for two weeks or something. They were wiped clean of all deluxe related stuff. Had to settle for STF V3’s instead.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on June 21, 2020, 07:40:51 PM
My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Onevia on June 21, 2020, 10:49:44 PM
My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
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Post by: YungJugg on June 22, 2020, 10:16:02 AM
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.

On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
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Post by: jay_nev on June 22, 2020, 11:07:11 AM
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
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On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
ok good to hear it’s not just me.. interested to hear more detail on that. Did the 99-101 formulas change at all?

might just try OG classics or SPF mike Anderson’s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Onevia on June 22, 2020, 03:03:27 PM
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
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On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
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ok good to hear it’s not just me.. interested to hear more detail on that. Did the 99-101 formulas change at all?

might just try OG classics or SPF mike Anderson’s
I'd be interested in how either of those compare if you end up getting them.

I bought some 54mm 99a Spitfire Striker wheels (OG formula?) about 5yrs ago and they are the harshest wheels I've ever ridden on street with (one wheel also has a hard time installing bearings). It's put me off from getting OG classics even though I'd like to buy a set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on June 23, 2020, 02:00:54 PM
What's the closest thing to a formula 4 clone? If they can't be gotten
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RossDailey on June 23, 2020, 03:09:39 PM
Well, I just panic bought some F4 101 Tablets

Hoping that I like them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fat Tire on June 23, 2020, 06:15:36 PM
What's the closest thing to a formula 4 clone? If they can't be gotten

I'd say loophole
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Post by: YutoBufoni on June 23, 2020, 06:22:56 PM
THE BEST. NO FLAT SPOTS.
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Post by: Noble Experiment on June 23, 2020, 10:17:21 PM
What's the closest thing to a formula 4 clone? If they can't be gotten
As much as a lot of people will disagree on this, I’d say STFs (the 83b ones) are pretty damn similar in feel and slideability to the 101a F4s. Definitely not the 99a F4s tho.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 23, 2020, 10:48:14 PM
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I'd say loophole
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 24, 2020, 04:51:34 AM
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What's the closest thing to a formula 4 clone? If they can't be gotten
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I'd say loophole
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Loopholes for sure. Reminds me of 99 F4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on June 24, 2020, 07:07:16 AM
Yes, and now they have 54mm connicals!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 24, 2020, 09:23:33 PM
mann i cant imagine ever skating anything other then f4's now... been riding them since the debut in 2013.. was riding the spitfire f1 101's for a few years before that
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JB77 on June 25, 2020, 03:12:46 AM
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
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On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
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ok good to hear it’s not just me.. interested to hear more detail on that. Did the 99-101 formulas change at all?

might just try OG classics or SPF mike Anderson’s

Okay, I thought I was crazy.  I feel the same way.  I have a pretty recent set of 52mm/99a F4 Conical Fulls and they feel unreasonably hard to me.  Really rough, jarring ride in the streets.  I want to like them and I keep waiting for them to break in, but they're just not any fun to ride.  I wish OJ would bring back the 92a Ditch Witch wheels.  Anybody else making a 92a modern shape wheel these days?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on June 25, 2020, 06:11:01 AM
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
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On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
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ok good to hear it’s not just me.. interested to hear more detail on that. Did the 99-101 formulas change at all?

might just try OG classics or SPF mike Anderson’s
[close]

Okay, I thought I was crazy.  I feel the same way.  I have a pretty recent set of 52mm/99a F4 Conical Fulls and they feel unreasonably hard to me.  Really rough, jarring ride in the streets.  I want to like them and I keep waiting for them to break in, but they're just not any fun to ride.  I wish OJ would bring back the 92a Ditch Witch wheels.  Anybody else making a 92a modern shape wheel these days?
mini logo hybrid 90a? come in a-cut or classic shape
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Post by: JB77 on June 25, 2020, 06:25:42 AM
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
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On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
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ok good to hear it’s not just me.. interested to hear more detail on that. Did the 99-101 formulas change at all?

might just try OG classics or SPF mike Anderson’s
[close]

Okay, I thought I was crazy.  I feel the same way.  I have a pretty recent set of 52mm/99a F4 Conical Fulls and they feel unreasonably hard to me.  Really rough, jarring ride in the streets.  I want to like them and I keep waiting for them to break in, but they're just not any fun to ride.  I wish OJ would bring back the 92a Ditch Witch wheels.  Anybody else making a 92a modern shape wheel these days?
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mini logo hybrid 90a? come in a-cut or classic shape

Think I’ll check those out, thank you!
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Post by: ultrabra on June 25, 2020, 07:11:01 AM
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
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On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
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ok good to hear it’s not just me.. interested to hear more detail on that. Did the 99-101 formulas change at all?

might just try OG classics or SPF mike Anderson’s
[close]

Okay, I thought I was crazy.  I feel the same way.  I have a pretty recent set of 52mm/99a F4 Conical Fulls and they feel unreasonably hard to me.  Really rough, jarring ride in the streets.  I want to like them and I keep waiting for them to break in, but they're just not any fun to ride.  I wish OJ would bring back the 92a Ditch Witch wheels.  Anybody else making a 92a modern shape wheel these days?
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mini logo hybrid 90a? come in a-cut or classic shape
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Think I’ll check those out, thank you!

Mini logo 90a definetly feel softer than 90a. I have keyframes and they feel the same.
What about  ML 95a?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ultrabra on June 25, 2020, 07:15:39 AM
Oh and. The ML don't have a core like keyframes do. So it could be that what makes them feel softer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Live Fast Johnny on June 26, 2020, 10:20:27 AM
http://www.instagram.com/p/CB55X6rFnwE/?igshid=13dfmtancppro

VU just got a massive shipment in.  No connection to the shop but have dealt with them before and they are great people.
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Post by: jay_nev on June 26, 2020, 12:10:41 PM


VU just got a massive shipment in.  No connection to the shop but have dealt with them before and they are great people.
ha, Solstice asking how. Someone replied saying Mexico is back online? As in the factory back to producing? 
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Post by: fulfillthedream on June 28, 2020, 07:11:42 PM
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VU just got a massive shipment in.  No connection to the shop but have dealt with them before and they are great people.
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ha, Solstice asking how. Someone replied saying Mexico is back online? As in the factory back to producing?

damn thats awesome they're sticking to just selling to local customers! I havent been to Baltimore in years but when Im back state side and im back east i wanna get a shirt or hat
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Post by: johnes on June 29, 2020, 07:03:55 AM
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
[close]

On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
[close]
ok good to hear it’s not just me.. interested to hear more detail on that. Did the 99-101 formulas change at all?

might just try OG classics or SPF mike Anderson’s
[close]

Okay, I thought I was crazy.  I feel the same way.  I have a pretty recent set of 52mm/99a F4 Conical Fulls and they feel unreasonably hard to me.  Really rough, jarring ride in the streets.  I want to like them and I keep waiting for them to break in, but they're just not any fun to ride.  I wish OJ would bring back the 92a Ditch Witch wheels.  Anybody else making a 92a modern shape wheel these days?
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mini logo hybrid 90a? come in a-cut or classic shape
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Think I’ll check those out, thank you!
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Mini logo 90a definetly feel softer than 90a. I have keyframes and they feel the same.
What about  ML 95a?
The 95a’s are chill, I have a set in black, they are pretty bouncy and soft feeling but still slide when I do back 180s. I wanna get a set in white sometime instead of black. They ride over crusty ditches really well too. 
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
[close]

On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
[close]
ok good to hear it’s not just me.. interested to hear more detail on that. Did the 99-101 formulas change at all?

might just try OG classics or SPF mike Anderson’s
[close]

Okay, I thought I was crazy.  I feel the same way.  I have a pretty recent set of 52mm/99a F4 Conical Fulls and they feel unreasonably hard to me.  Really rough, jarring ride in the streets.  I want to like them and I keep waiting for them to break in, but they're just not any fun to ride.  I wish OJ would bring back the 92a Ditch Witch wheels.  Anybody else making a 92a modern shape wheel these days?
[close]
mini logo hybrid 90a? come in a-cut or classic shape
[close]

Think I’ll check those out, thank you!
[close]

Mini logo 90a definetly feel softer than 90a. I have keyframes and they feel the same.
What about  ML 95a?
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The 95a’s are chill, I have a set in black, they are pretty bouncy and soft feeling but still slide when I do back 180s. I wanna get a set in white sometime instead of black. They ride over crusty ditches really well too. 
What shape 95a do you have? Need to keep an eye out for the whites for cheap
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My 99a conical fulls are just crazy rough on my local crusty streets. Jarring even conical fulls. Do I need to give me break in time? I also had very hard time getting bearings in. Might’ve been bc they were delivered today via 90°+ usps truck? 
But had better luck/feeling with classic formula. I’m sure at parks or smooth paved ground they’re amazing but I just can’t find
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Ya, my 54mm 99a conical fulls ended being the same on my streets (no trouble with the bearings, though). My older 51mm 99a Radial Slims actually felt a little bit better over the same terrain, which was surprising.
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On day 1 my 99a (conical full) were louder than my past 101s (tablets), feel rougher on the feet, and slide just as easy. The 101s were feeling good at my usual spots (mix of crust and smooth) but when riding round the city they’d ice so bad on quick turns. I can’t judge em off the first session but like you, I hope these break in well because they seem the opposite of what I was looking for.
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ok good to hear it’s not just me.. interested to hear more detail on that. Did the 99-101 formulas change at all?

might just try OG classics or SPF mike Anderson’s
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Okay, I thought I was crazy.  I feel the same way.  I have a pretty recent set of 52mm/99a F4 Conical Fulls and they feel unreasonably hard to me.  Really rough, jarring ride in the streets.  I want to like them and I keep waiting for them to break in, but they're just not any fun to ride.  I wish OJ would bring back the 92a Ditch Witch wheels.  Anybody else making a 92a modern shape wheel these days?
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mini logo hybrid 90a? come in a-cut or classic shape
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Think I’ll check those out, thank you!
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Mini logo 90a definetly feel softer than 90a. I have keyframes and they feel the same.
What about  ML 95a?
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The 95a’s are chill, I have a set in black, they are pretty bouncy and soft feeling but still slide when I do back 180s. I wanna get a set in white sometime instead of black. They ride over crusty ditches really well too. 
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What shape 95a do you have? Need to keep an eye out for the whites for cheap
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Post by: kneebone on June 29, 2020, 11:52:22 AM
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VU just got a massive shipment in.  No connection to the shop but have dealt with them before and they are great people.
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ha, Solstice asking how. Someone replied saying Mexico is back online? As in the factory back to producing?
SPoT just got a healthy restock of formula 4s as well.  Production must be coming back.
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Post by: sharkin on July 31, 2020, 05:51:55 PM
I got these a couple weeks ago. Haven't set them up yet.

I opened the package and thought it was interesting they listed OG Classics in the chart. Wonder if there are plans to put out F4 in that shape

(http://i.imgur.com/l1xtA5x.jpg)
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Post by: Xen on July 31, 2020, 06:28:18 PM
I got these a couple weeks ago. Haven't set them up yet.

I opened the package and thought it was interesting they listed OG Classics in the chart. Wonder if there are plans to put out F4 in that shape

(http://i.imgur.com/l1xtA5x.jpg)

If they are listed under that F4 banner I'd guess we'll see them soon enough!
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Post by: white guy in a durag on July 31, 2020, 10:19:11 PM
Pretty sure they are

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/738988651605786704/unknown.png)

Friendship ended with F4 conical fulls 99a, now F4 og classics 99a are my best friend.
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Post by: SneakySecrets on August 06, 2020, 06:59:22 PM
Anyone know offhand where I can find a set of 53mm radials or radial slims? 
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Post by: Onevia on August 06, 2020, 08:09:07 PM
Anyone know offhand where I can find a set of 53mm radials or radial slims?
Here's two sites with F4 99a Radial Embers in 53mm:

https://www.tristarskateboards.com/skateboards/wheels/street/park-wheels/spitfire/formula-four-embers-radial-wheel-pid-17507 (https://www.tristarskateboards.com/skateboards/wheels/street/park-wheels/spitfire/formula-four-embers-radial-wheel-pid-17507)

https://www.evo.com/skateboard-wheels/spitfire-formula-four-99d-radial-embers#image=185074/738469/spitfire-formula-four-99d-radial-embers-skateboard-wheels-.jpg (https://www.evo.com/skateboard-wheels/spitfire-formula-four-99d-radial-embers#image=185074/738469/spitfire-formula-four-99d-radial-embers-skateboard-wheels-.jpg)
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Post by: chillclinton87 on August 07, 2020, 05:50:55 AM
hey, any euro pals that can help out?

i am looking for preferably 51/ 52mm F4 Classics in 99du but no luck on whatever online shops.....

Appreciate any info
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Post by: arrbee on August 07, 2020, 06:13:26 AM
Anyone know offhand where I can find a set of 53mm radials or radial slims?

If you haven't had luck I have some new 54 radial slims in my stash I'd part with.
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Post by: sharkin on August 07, 2020, 07:13:14 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/s1t441Y/FADB76-F7-DD99-45-A9-8-DA5-0024-E22-EBB1-A.jpg)

Well there you have it

97d OG classic F4s
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Post by: Junglist on August 07, 2020, 07:33:25 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/s1t441Y/FADB76-F7-DD99-45-A9-8-DA5-0024-E22-EBB1-A.jpg)

Well there you have it

97d OG classic F4s

(https://64.media.tumblr.com/aa47f92ee8310620a3640c1acd89e918/tumblr_inline_p0imz4rlDB1r9yu3j_400.png)
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Post by: jay_nev on August 07, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Yup gonna need those
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Post by: jakeumms on August 07, 2020, 07:45:38 PM
I honestly thought the OG shape and the Conical Full were the same shape until seeing that new packaging card with the leaked F4 OGs. I haven't skated a 97 in decades but I sorta remember they slide less easy and still suck on rough ground. Maybe they're lovely in parking lots?
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Post by: white guy in a durag on August 07, 2020, 07:59:32 PM
Lets fuckin goooooooooooo
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Post by: YungJugg on August 07, 2020, 08:17:56 PM
The package descriptions are odd. How do tablets have a “thin” riding surface, while classics have a “medium” riding surface.

Stoked to try the 97a OGs.

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Post by: fulfillthedream on August 07, 2020, 11:22:55 PM
ive said this before and ill repeat it again; ill try those classic shaped 97a's only to realize the 99a classics work the best..
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Post by: Gray Imp Sausage Metal on August 08, 2020, 12:58:56 AM
ive said this before and ill repeat it again; ill try those classic shaped 97a's only to realize the 99a classics work the best..
99 F4s really are the best wheels
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Post by: RichardBarkley on August 08, 2020, 05:46:19 AM
Holy shit game changers....

Well another reason to buy more f4s
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Post by: moonordie on August 08, 2020, 06:18:06 AM
hey, any euro pals that can help out?

i am looking for preferably 51/ 52mm F4 Classics in 99du but no luck on whatever online shops.....

Appreciate any info
52mm 99 classics F4: https://www.darkslide.cz/klasicka/kolecka-spitfire-classic-green-black-99du-52-mm/
Not sure if they ship, probably yes. Hope this helps.
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Post by: Big Baby Jesus on August 08, 2020, 07:54:23 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/s1t441Y/FADB76-F7-DD99-45-A9-8-DA5-0024-E22-EBB1-A.jpg)

Well there you have it

97d OG classic F4s

Love my 99 SFW but these are game changers!
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 08, 2020, 08:08:30 AM
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ive said this before and ill repeat it again; ill try those classic shaped 97a's only to realize the 99a classics work the best..
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99 F4s really are the best wheels

I love the idea of a 97a F4, but yeah.
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Post by: Frank and Fred on August 08, 2020, 09:51:11 AM
Currently on 101s and they are a bit too glassy for me. We all know 99s rule but 97a F4s will have to be sampled. I've been using the  Classic formula as my "Winter wheel" but these excite me.
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Post by: drinny on August 08, 2020, 01:43:51 PM
Looking forward to the feedback on these... hope they skate softer than advertised but probably be hanging onto my setup with Keyframes as yet. I find 99s a tiny bit slow in parks (but only compared to 101s... still prob the best wheels I’ve ever had)
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Post by: Fat Tire on August 08, 2020, 02:28:30 PM
If these hold up against flat spots and slide even half as good as regular f4s then I'm gonna be a happy man
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Post by: ChuckRamone on August 09, 2020, 09:49:08 AM
those 97d f4s may be the perfect cruiser wheel that everyone's fantasized about.
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Post by: bbk on August 09, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Sure, they're softer and will probably slide, but 97 isn't near soft enough to be a good cruiser wheel.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on August 09, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
Any info on when the 97s will hit the shops?
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Post by: Noble Experiment on August 09, 2020, 01:28:49 PM
If they can make a 97a that is really forgiving on shitty ground and has good grip but still slides with the ease of a 99a or 101a F4 when you want them to then I’ll start believing world peace is actually obtainable again.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on August 09, 2020, 01:30:00 PM
If they can make a 97a that is really forgiving on shitty ground and has good grip but still slides with the ease of a 99a or 101a F4 when you want them to then I’ll start believing world peace is actually obtainable again.

Lol

I believe
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Post by: jtrpma on August 09, 2020, 05:40:00 PM
If they can make a 97a that is really forgiving on shitty ground and has good grip but still slides with the ease of a 99a or 101a F4 when you want them to then I’ll start believing world peace is actually obtainable again.

Again? Elaborate, please
This thread just got more interesting...
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Post by: Frank and Fred on August 09, 2020, 06:23:50 PM
97a is close to the no man's land of wheel durometer. Potentially too soft to slide really well and feel fast on smooth terrain and also too hard to bounce over shitty terrain. However, 97a speed wheels were the gold standard for wheels in the mid to late 80s as far as I could tell, so there is potential. I'm sure some people will find these too slow and some people will find them too grippy. Its going to be a compromise wheel but for me, in cold wet weather its fun to have a slightly softer wheel to get motivated to just blast around rough streets, grip in slippery indoor parking lots and damp skateparks. I currently use the Classic formula (wears out quick) or the Bones 99a STF for the same reasons. If these are anything like those two wheels with good durability, I'll be stoked.
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Post by: Diocletian on August 09, 2020, 07:52:12 PM
I’m on 97a wheels and they still powerslide pretty easy and chirp real loud. I think it’s a great durometer, not crazy soft by any means.
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Post by: fs1/2cab on August 10, 2020, 10:59:28 AM
hey, any euro pals that can help out?

i am looking for preferably 51/ 52mm F4 Classics in 99du but no luck on whatever online shops.....

Appreciate any info

https://www.nostalgiaskateboarding.com/produkt-kategorie/hardware/?filter_marken=spitfire (https://www.nostalgiaskateboarding.com/produkt-kategorie/hardware/?filter_marken=spitfire)
The homies in Austria have a few sets. Yeah I know not the greatest colorways but in these times ya know.
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Post by: thespacewolf on August 10, 2020, 11:34:52 PM
Anyone know offhand where I can find a set of 53mm radials or radial slims?
If you're open to used ones, I might be down to sell you my set.
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Post by: chillclinton87 on August 11, 2020, 05:32:09 AM
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hey, any euro pals that can help out?

i am looking for preferably 51/ 52mm F4 Classics in 99du but no luck on whatever online shops.....

Appreciate any info
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52mm 99 classics F4: https://www.darkslide.cz/klasicka/kolecka-spitfire-classic-green-black-99du-52-mm/
Not sure if they ship, probably yes. Hope this helps.

yo!!!
Thanks a lot, but after writing that i checked another site and just found some, they should be in the mail today.

www.nostalgiaskateboarding.com
Small Austrian Mailorder/ Boardbrand! Check it out
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Post by: switchfrontshuv on August 11, 2020, 11:56:13 AM
The package descriptions are odd. How do tablets have a “thin” riding surface, while classics have a “medium” riding surface.

Stoked to try the 97a OGs.

tablets have a 20mm riding surface on 52mm size and classics have 15.5mm riding surface with the same size, so yeah they tweaking on the descriptions
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 11, 2020, 04:55:10 PM
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The package descriptions are odd. How do tablets have a “thin” riding surface, while classics have a “medium” riding surface.

Stoked to try the 97a OGs.
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tablets have a 20mm riding surface on 52mm size and classics have 15.5mm riding surface with the same size, so yeah they tweaking on the descriptions

I remember when tablets came out someone described them as having the thinnest profile and widest riding surface of any spitfire. Looking at the descriptions on the spitfire site, it seems more or less accurate. Whatever the case, been skating some 51s since like March and I can't quit them...they're like 47mm now and I've swapped them out a couple times but just keep going back. Such a good wheel...feels good on shitty pavement and locks in on slappies perfectly.
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Post by: jakeumms on August 11, 2020, 05:42:23 PM
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The package descriptions are odd. How do tablets have a “thin” riding surface, while classics have a “medium” riding surface.

Stoked to try the 97a OGs.
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tablets have a 20mm riding surface on 52mm size and classics have 15.5mm riding surface with the same size, so yeah they tweaking on the descriptions
The riding surface difference between a tablet and a conical full is .5 on the 53mms
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Post by: YungJugg on August 11, 2020, 06:11:56 PM
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The package descriptions are odd. How do tablets have a “thin” riding surface, while classics have a “medium” riding surface.

Stoked to try the 97a OGs.
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tablets have a 20mm riding surface on 52mm size and classics have 15.5mm riding surface with the same size, so yeah they tweaking on the descriptions
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The riding surface difference between a tablet and a conical full is .5 on the 53mms

And for 54mm the tablet and conical full have the same riding surface, so tablet isn’t a “thin riding surface” at all. Classics are the thinnest and they call it medium. Not that I care about their descriptions really, it’s just odd haha.
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Post by: Esmith5488 on August 11, 2020, 06:22:04 PM
I’m kinda interested in those 97a’s. I’m setting up a bigger board that I haven’t decided it’s purpose and I am putting some 92a clouds on it. Would be nice to have a f4 to put on it
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Post by: Uncle Flea on August 11, 2020, 06:42:38 PM
I like hard and skinny.
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Post by: chipped tail on August 11, 2020, 11:20:35 PM
Any info on when the 97s will hit the shops?
by the way deluxe is operating right now, you'll probably be able to order it from cowtown or tactics 4-6 weeks before your local gets it.
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Post by: Juanjo789 on August 12, 2020, 10:38:43 AM
Im getting 60mm f4 classics tomorrow, anybody here liked them? should i get 58s?
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Post by: Crabby_Bastard on August 12, 2020, 01:01:51 PM
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Any info on when the 97s will hit the shops?
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by the way deluxe is operating right now, you'll probably be able to order it from cowtown or tactics 4-6 weeks before your local gets it.

How exactly is it that they are operating right now? Most of my local shops have been steadily getting more DLX product than any of the big online shops.
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Post by: cjt on August 13, 2020, 07:42:33 AM
OK... at the local park my 51mm 99a F4s do not screech when sliding, and feel very slippery and unstable when tight carving. My bones 56mm 84b SPF do screech when sliding, and feel extremely locked and have literally never slipped as far as I can remember.

Is there an F4 that will screech when I slide and not slip when im carving fast and tight? Is it just a matter of the riding surface size? I clearly just don't understand wheel durometer/formulas.
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Post by: Mesteezo on August 13, 2020, 07:54:58 AM
OK... at the local park my 51mm 99a F4s do not screech when sliding, and feel very slippery and unstable when tight carving. My bones 56mm 84b SPF do screech when sliding, and feel extremely locked and have literally never slipped as far as I can remember.

Is there an F4 that will screech when I slide and not slip when im carving fast and tight? Is it just a matter of the riding surface size? I clearly just don't understand wheel durometer/formulas.

Screeches depend on the surface, and your park is probably better suited for the SPFs (probably a smooth concrete, newish park?) Either adjust your lines so you don’t slip out on F4s or try new urethane. If you like carving fast and tight while still keeping stability and not sliding out, try rain skates wheels in the yellow 98a or white 100a. They’re a smaller company but make sick wheels for bowl riders. I was also having this issue a couple years back.
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Post by: cjt on August 13, 2020, 08:06:48 AM
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OK... at the local park my 51mm 99a F4s do not screech when sliding, and feel very slippery and unstable when tight carving. My bones 56mm 84b SPF do screech when sliding, and feel extremely locked and have literally never slipped as far as I can remember.

Is there an F4 that will screech when I slide and not slip when im carving fast and tight? Is it just a matter of the riding surface size? I clearly just don't understand wheel durometer/formulas.
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Screeches depend on the surface, and your park is probably better suited for the SPFs (probably a smooth concrete, newish park?) Either adjust your lines so you don’t slip out on F4s or try new urethane. If you like carving fast and tight while still keeping stability and not sliding out, try rain skates wheels in the yellow 98a or white 100a. They’re a smaller company but make sick wheels for bowl riders. I was also having this issue a couple years back.

It's actually a slightly older concrete park (built 1999), but tons of spraypaint/paint covering the spraypaint which may be causing the issue. It's definitely still slipping where there's no paint, though. The F4s feel awesome on street, so that's probably where i'll keep them. I will absolutely look into Rain Skates!!!!

I assumed the 99a F4 would "grip" everything at the park better vs. the 101-104 or whatever my SPF wheel is specifically. I definitely gotta blow that logic outta the pipes though cause it ain't workin!!!
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Post by: Mesteezo on August 13, 2020, 09:27:49 AM
Oh dude it’s definitely the paint. I also slip out like crazy on spraypainted surfaces with F4s, with the SPFs slightly better but still slippy. Definitely look into those rainskates, when I was skating this one bowl a couple years back it had layers on layers of spray paint which made carving fast feel like skating on ice. Picked up some rainskates stingers and they stuck to the wall, no slip outs. I think they’re produced by creative urethane, but they’re a trip because they carve like a soft wheel despite being 100A, but they keep speed like a hard wheel and rolls with the same feeling like a hard wheel does
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Post by: Frank and Fred on August 13, 2020, 09:35:32 AM
Im getting 60mm f4 classics tomorrow, anybody here liked them? should i get 58s?

The 60s are really wide. I have set that are now about 56 and look very  fat and coned. I much prefer the 58s. They just hold a better shape as they get smaller. The 60 F4 classics are still a great wheel and if you want width- go for it.
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Post by: jakeumms on August 13, 2020, 12:49:10 PM
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Im getting 60mm f4 classics tomorrow, anybody here liked them? should i get 58s?
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The 60s are really wide. I have set that are now about 56 and look very  fat and coned. I much prefer the 58s. They just hold a better shape as they get smaller. The 60 F4 classics are still a great wheel and if you want width- go for it.
Any chance those 60mms are classics and not F4s? The classic and F4 60mm are different shapes. I bought F4s 60s thinking they would be the wide guys but they were just big classics.
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Post by: Frank and Fred on August 13, 2020, 01:20:28 PM
Mine are F4 formula classic shape.
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Post by: Uncle Flea on August 14, 2020, 11:22:17 AM
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Im getting 60mm f4 classics tomorrow, anybody here liked them? should i get 58s?
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The 60s are really wide. I have set that are now about 56 and look very  fat and coned. I much prefer the 58s. They just hold a better shape as they get smaller. The 60 F4 classics are still a great wheel and if you want width- go for it.

100. This is why I look for a 54-58.
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Post by: cjt on August 14, 2020, 09:14:17 PM
Oh dude it’s definitely the paint. I also slip out like crazy on spraypainted surfaces with F4s, with the SPFs slightly better but still slippy. Definitely look into those rainskates, when I was skating this one bowl a couple years back it had layers on layers of spray paint which made carving fast feel like skating on ice. Picked up some rainskates stingers and they stuck to the wall, no slip outs. I think they’re produced by creative urethane, but they’re a trip because they carve like a soft wheel despite being 100A, but they keep speed like a hard wheel and rolls with the same feeling like a hard wheel does

bless u for the insight!!!
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Post by: Kaiser Ben on August 17, 2020, 10:10:27 PM
I'm looking for my first set of F4's. What's a good shape for a balance of hills and slappies? I though about classics because of slappies and powerslides, but probably not the best shape for control with speed down hills.
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Post by: YungJugg on August 17, 2020, 11:48:48 PM
I'm looking for my first set of F4's. What's a good shape for a balance of hills and slappies? I though about classics because of slappies and powerslides, but probably not the best shape for control with speed down hills.

Conical fulls or lock-ins.
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Post by: tzhangdox on August 18, 2020, 12:15:58 AM
I'm looking for my first set of F4's. What's a good shape for a balance of hills and slappies? I though about classics because of slappies and powerslides, but probably not the best shape for control with speed down hills.

conicals, conical fulls or radials
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Post by: moonordie on August 18, 2020, 05:49:17 AM
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I'm looking for my first set of F4's. What's a good shape for a balance of hills and slappies? I though about classics because of slappies and powerslides, but probably not the best shape for control with speed down hills.
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Conical fulls or lock-ins.
+1 for conical fulls
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kaiser Ben on August 18, 2020, 09:26:20 AM
Looking like 54mm 99a conical fulls for slappies and hill bombing. Do they still power slide pretty easily being that big?
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Post by: gsosa on August 18, 2020, 09:29:12 AM
I'd say tablets, they have almost the same riding surface as the conical full but have a slimmer profile. I'm riding them right now and they are dopeeeee. I bomb a lot of hills and are fucking choice for this, way better than the Classics (also f4) I had before.
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Post by: Kaiser Ben on August 18, 2020, 09:33:43 AM
I'd say tablets, they have almost the same riding surface as the conical full but have a slimmer profile. I'm riding them right now and they are dopeeeee. I bomb a lot of hills and are fucking choice for this, way better than the Classics (also f4) I had before.
I just heard that the straight profile makes it harder to slappy vs wheels with a rounded profile. Those were my first choice actually until I found out about the rounded profile for slappies thing.
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Post by: moonordie on August 18, 2020, 10:13:43 AM
The answer always is: F4 conical fulls 53mm 99
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Post by: YungJugg on August 18, 2020, 11:34:51 AM
Looking like 54mm 99a conical fulls for slappies and hill bombing. Do they still power slide pretty easily being that big?

Yes, that’s not really even big. Don’t overthink shit and you’ll be fine. They are the best wheels for the job. Lately for hills I’ve been running 58mm 97a Slimeballs and they slide very easily, and they’re both wider and softer than C-Fulls.

Contrary to what people on here may say, any wheel can slide. Even 78a 60mm Super Juice can get icy.
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Post by: Kaiser Ben on August 18, 2020, 06:21:50 PM
I ended up going to the shop and getting 54mm 99a Conical Fulls today. I just hit some mild hills and some curbs after and man... people aren't lying when they say the F4's feel like the last wheels they will ever ride. Even on the mild hills I was getting some hair blowing in the wind speed. Gonna try to hit some parking garages soon. These are gonna be fun. For anyone worrying about them being big like I did, don't. They look so much bigger in pictures and comparisons (obviously), but as soon as I saw them and held them in person, they definitely aren't THAT big. Just go get 'em.
Don’t overthink shit and you’ll be fine.
Well said.
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Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on August 18, 2020, 06:43:22 PM
so i finally set up the tablets and holy shit man, it's crazy. my new favorite wheel. like i normally have this issue with the board not going straight when i do tricks but its like these wheels are showing me my posture for skating was all fucked up due to my madness of having to skate tiny wheels. i was always fighting for balance and knew something felt off but i thought it was trucks or this cervical spinal shit i have.

i was skating bones v3s for the last 10 years but switched to these boardcakes bundts which rule but are not ideal for street skating. they are really good wheels though, i highly recommend boardycakes.

i notice the tablets slide better as well and it even has a better sound. i was so worried for months about my skating being affected but i never thought that it might be just what i needed. im finally starting to get where i wanna be. thank you spitfire, i knew i had a very good feeling about these wheels.
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Post by: Frank and Fred on August 18, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
Tablets are great. I like the 55mm ones. Lock in so good on curbs and coping.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on August 19, 2020, 05:14:03 AM
I remember at one point people posting about tablets/wheels with a hard edge making it harder to slappy and it kind of put me from trying them...which is a shame because I feel like they actually made slappies easier with the way they lock in.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on August 19, 2020, 11:40:02 AM
Was on 99a F4s for the past six months or so; just put on a set of STF v3s and man am I having F4 withdrawals. STFs are good wheels too and I usually switch between F4s and STFs but there was just something about that last set of F4s that just felt way too good; the STFs just don’t feel right now by comparison.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lukabrazi on August 19, 2020, 03:05:13 PM
Was on 99a F4s for the past six months or so; just put on a set of STF v3s and man am I having F4 withdrawals. STFs are good wheels too and I usually switch between F4s and STFs but there was just something about that last set of F4s that just felt way too good; the STFs just don’t feel right now by comparison.

STF feels like plastic trash after riding some F4 imo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on August 19, 2020, 05:16:07 PM
I remember at one point people posting about tablets/wheels with a hard edge making it harder to slappy and it kind of put me from trying them...which is a shame because I feel like they actually made slappies easier with the way they lock in.
Nice to know. Tablets are the only F4 shape I've yet to try.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank on August 19, 2020, 05:57:27 PM
just measured my wheels out of boredom and my 54mm classic 99a set is down to 51-52mm with about 19mm riding surface which basically makes them the same as new 52mm radial shapes. so now i just pretend i have a new set of these instead of looking for new ones. f4s are virtually sold out everywhere anyways where i live.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 04, 2020, 09:48:52 AM
New Spitfire catalog doesn't have the 97a F4s yet. Anyone in the know, have an idea when they might hit shops?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 04, 2020, 10:49:08 AM
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Was on 99a F4s for the past six months or so; just put on a set of STF v3s and man am I having F4 withdrawals. STFs are good wheels too and I usually switch between F4s and STFs but there was just something about that last set of F4s that just felt way too good; the STFs just don’t feel right now by comparison.
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STF feels like plastic trash after riding some F4 imo

103 STFs do (but I still find them faster in partks) but the 99a stf feel much better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on September 04, 2020, 07:58:19 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/MGV301M/Screenshot-20200904-222259.png) (https://ibb.co/MGV301M)


Anyone recognize these spits? The internet sucks for research lately especially without skately.

Looking like 54mm 99a conical fulls for slappies and hill bombing. Do they still power slide pretty easily being that big?

Yes but I think radial is better. I've had 4 f4 shapes. Radial Full was the best for everything except flat bar.

The conical is top dog on rails and pool coping.

I tried lock ins for a minute on a homie board. They remind me of old single cut wheels. 101 a would have been better maybe?

Radial and classics are the best shapes for ledges and curbs for sure.

The radials last longer than all other spits.

Maybe I'll use photo evidence later to provide scientific Data. I have a pile of old wheels.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: peterpenis on September 08, 2020, 12:57:20 PM
just came back from my first ever session on formula four.  finally made the switch from my last mike anderson shape ridden down to 45 mm to 56 conical fulls in 99a. had so much fun, so fast and felt like I was gliding through the streets. I think I found my new go to wheel. Can't imagine skating something like radial slims though, even with these soft big wheels getting into slides is super easy. hard slims must feel like skating on ice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on September 08, 2020, 02:48:51 PM
just came back from my first ever session on formula four.  finally made the switch from my last mike anderson shape ridden down to 45 mm to 56 conical fulls in 99a. had so much fun, so fast and felt like I was gliding through the streets. I think I found my new go to wheel. Can't imagine skating something like radial slims though, even with these soft big wheels getting into slides is super easy. hard slims must feel like skating on ice.

99a f4 is the God wheel. Nothing comes close.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on September 08, 2020, 06:23:19 PM
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Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/PNbTY80/IMG-20200517-112436.jpg)
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Keep us updated. Hope they replaced. I've seen this happen with other wheels. Never with Spitfires though. This happened to a friend YEARS ago. Bam Element wheels, in like 2002/2003. Took him to the shop and were replaced without a hassle. I want to say he got the same ones again because it happened twice back to back. He ended up getting another brand the third time. Recently went back to Spitfires after having Ricta's for years and have had no issues with them.
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I haven't seen any comments regarding these wheels being FAKE, but Spitfire DO NOT make Conical shapes with Radial Slim graphics, so I am guessing the person who bought these wheels was given the same info from DLX regarding the lack of authenticity of these so called Spitfire wheels.  Sad to say, but there are a lot more people selling fakes online, ebay or other places which you can often spot quite easily if you know, but if you are not aware, they can seem like the real thing very easily.  There are always small mistakes, eg shape to graphic, misprints on packaging, seemingly readily available when everywhere else is out...

Please buy from a reputable skate shop, as they should always have your back on products, quality and returns.


????????

He clearly stated they are radial slims
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 08, 2020, 07:32:29 PM
Happy to be told otherwise, but the set pictured look far too wide to be Radial Slims.  I still have a set or two and they are much slimmer than the ones pictured, which look more like a conical shape, which is very common on Aliexpress with slight differences in wheel shape, graphic, etc.

There are a few lots of these making the rounds at the moment, along with fake Bones bearings, Indy trucks, etc.

If I am wrong, then no worries and happy to admit it too.



I guess the question is where the wheels were purchased. Is it just me or do the wheels look too white to be Spitfires?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: os89 on September 08, 2020, 08:20:48 PM
Well these radial slims do look similar in shape and size to his.

(https://i.ibb.co/M5mNFg2/6-EAC15-D2-25-D2-4-F81-94-FA-D6-DFEB8-E1665.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on September 08, 2020, 11:50:35 PM
Happy to be told otherwise, but the set pictured look far too wide to be Radial Slims.  I still have a set or two and they are much slimmer than the ones pictured, which look more like a conical shape, which is very common on Aliexpress with slight differences in wheel shape, graphic, etc.

There are a few lots of these making the rounds at the moment, along with fake Bones bearings, Indy trucks, etc.

If I am wrong, then no worries and happy to admit it too.

They just look wider because of the close up lens distortion. I've had the exact same Radial slims multiple times, one set also had a wheel crack in half exactly like that after less than 10 minutes. Emailed DLX and got a replacement set super quick. Probably had a few defects in a particular batch at some point.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 09, 2020, 01:14:59 AM
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Happy to be told otherwise, but the set pictured look far too wide to be Radial Slims.  I still have a set or two and they are much slimmer than the ones pictured, which look more like a conical shape, which is very common on Aliexpress with slight differences in wheel shape, graphic, etc.

There are a few lots of these making the rounds at the moment, along with fake Bones bearings, Indy trucks, etc.

If I am wrong, then no worries and happy to admit it too.
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They just look wider because of the close up lens distortion. I've had the exact same Radial slims multiple times, one set also had a wheel crack in half exactly like that after less than 10 minutes. Emailed DLX and got a replacement set super quick. Probably had a few defects in a particular batch at some point.

Guess it's just me being paranoid about fake Spitfires. the fakes are usually the:
Lacey Baker Pro Model
Conical Fulls 52mm 101a
Radial 53mm 99a
Radial Slims 52mm 101a (green snake)
Neckface Rowan 53mm

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10000272944722.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.30f752ddZiosPH&algo_pvid=ae08b77a-08f1-4bcf-89dc-1a13bbcaf323&algo_expid=ae08b77a-08f1-4bcf-89dc-1a13bbcaf323-5&btsid=0bb0623615996391248975169e0cf1&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on September 09, 2020, 06:57:19 AM
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Anybody had this happen? Put bearings in this set of radial slims and when I went today to set them up noticed one of the wheels had split entirely to the core....sent in a note to DLX so let's see. (https://i.ibb.co/cNZDM5d/IMG-20200517-112447.jpg)
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Keep us updated. Hope they replaced. I've seen this happen with other wheels. Never with Spitfires though. This happened to a friend YEARS ago. Bam Element wheels, in like 2002/2003. Took him to the shop and were replaced without a hassle. I want to say he got the same ones again because it happened twice back to back. He ended up getting another brand the third time. Recently went back to Spitfires after having Ricta's for years and have had no issues with them.
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I haven't seen any comments regarding these wheels being FAKE, but Spitfire DO NOT make Conical shapes with Radial Slim graphics, so I am guessing the person who bought these wheels was given the same info from DLX regarding the lack of authenticity of these so called Spitfire wheels.  Sad to say, but there are a lot more people selling fakes online, ebay or other places which you can often spot quite easily if you know, but if you are not aware, they can seem like the real thing very easily.  There are always small mistakes, eg shape to graphic, misprints on packaging, seemingly readily available when everywhere else is out...

Please buy from a reputable skate shop, as they should always have your back on products, quality and returns.
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????????

He clearly stated they are radial slims
I almost exclusively skate radial slims and those are red Radial slims  Deff not conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: padded_shorts on September 09, 2020, 07:15:47 AM
They had some radial slims with bad bearing holes. I had a set that the bearings just wouldn't stay in, mine didn't split though, just bearings popped out. They sent me a replacement set. I'm guessing they are still pretty busy getting shops stocked right now, but be patient and I'm sure they'll take care of you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on September 09, 2020, 07:50:07 AM
A pair of my conical fulls are a bitch to get bearings in to. Does this vary that much with F4?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on September 09, 2020, 10:43:51 AM
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A pair of my conical fulls are a bitch to get bearings in to. Does this vary that much with F4?
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Try a little bearing lubricant / oil, WD40 or something similar put on the inside wheel area and the bearings slide right in much more easily than when dry, especially if they are not new wheels with new bearings.
Or just spit on it
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on September 09, 2020, 11:31:31 AM
he he i was skating at cornell and somebody left a set of 52mm f4 classics, only skated down to 48-50mm. I'm currently riding 53mm's ridden down to 40mms so this is a true blessing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FredGallsBallz on September 14, 2020, 09:04:52 AM
I have an almost new set of 52mm F4 Classics that have maybe 20 hours of skating on them. Yesterday my board skirted out from me, rolled into some nearby grass, and my wheels grazed some dogshit. I went home and used about eight Clorox wipes disinfecting the wheels, trucks and deck. I think I did a thorough job cleaning what was really only a bit of doodie, but I can't shake the fact that my wheels touched fecal matter. I shouldn't really care because at any given time one's board is a germ infested nightmare, and my board is probably way cleaner now that I scrubbed it down than it was before the incident. Anyway, F4's are the best wheels, and this is just me publicly working through my issues. Peace.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 14, 2020, 09:33:23 AM
Completely understand. This rule might help you: Animal waste OK. Human Waste means replace. Except trucks. Do whatever you can to clean and keep your trucks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 14, 2020, 09:47:43 AM
Completely understand. This rule might help you: Animal waste OK. Human Waste means replace. Except trucks. Do whatever you can to clean and keep your trucks.

Even Krepar trucks?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: os89 on September 14, 2020, 10:50:41 AM
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Completely understand. This rule might help you: Animal waste OK. Human Waste means replace. Except trucks. Do whatever you can to clean and keep your trucks.
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Even Krepar trucks?

Especially those.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MxsDx on September 14, 2020, 07:58:26 PM
F4 classics in stock at tactics

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-classic-skateboard-wheels/fiend-natural-99d
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on September 16, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
Completely understand. This rule might help you: Animal waste OK. Human Waste means replace. Except trucks. Do whatever you can to clean and keep your trucks.

I know what you mean. Poop is gross, my board would never feel right to me even after the disinfecting process. I rotate 2-3 pairs of shoes at a time, and if any of them steps in shit I just throw them away. Can't deal with trying to pick shit from the crevaces of an outsole.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: cjt on September 16, 2020, 12:44:49 PM
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Completely understand. This rule might help you: Animal waste OK. Human Waste means replace. Except trucks. Do whatever you can to clean and keep your trucks.
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I know what you mean. Poop is gross, my board would never feel right to me even after the disinfecting process. I rotate 2-3 pairs of shoes at a time, and if any of them steps in shit I just throw them away. Can't deal with trying to pick shit from the crevaces of an outsole.

If i step in shit I shelve the shoe out of rotation (quarantined) for at least a month then bang the fucker on the sidewalk, no shit hath ever survived

on topic of F4, I picked up some 56mm 99a conical fulls. I wanted smaller (51-53), but it's all the local homie shop had. I'm really enjoying them over the 51mm 99a radial slims I just ruined by shaving off a huge chunk boardsliding a manny pad. They lost their size super quick, so I'm hoping these new 56s will do the same and I'll end up even happier in the end.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on September 16, 2020, 02:03:16 PM
Dumb question. I looking to get new wheels. With spitfire (and bones) offering so many shapes I’m like what do I need? I skate street and a diy rarely hit the park.  I’m on 101 radials now. Trying get some flip tricks back etc do I need 99a f4 classics or 99a tablets or neither?

Edit. Is there a wheel that’s good for flip tricks and feels stable and can bomb the occasional hill.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on September 16, 2020, 02:10:33 PM
Dumb question. I looking to get new wheels. With spitfire (and bones) offering so many shapes I’m like what do I need? I skate street and a diy rarely hit the park.  I’m on 101 radials now. Trying get some flip tricks back etc do I need 99a f4 classics or 99a tablets or neither?

I guess it mostly depends on your preferences and the terrain around you. Classics and tablets are both pretty skinny and pretty light, but tablets have a much wider contact patch, so they're much better on crusty ground but harder to slide around. Radial slims might be another good option if you like the radial, but want something more agile.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on September 16, 2020, 04:14:41 PM
Dumb question. I looking to get new wheels. With spitfire (and bones) offering so many shapes I’m like what do I need? I skate street and a diy rarely hit the park.  I’m on 101 radials now. Trying get some flip tricks back etc do I need 99a f4 classics or 99a tablets or neither?

Edit. Is there a wheel that’s good for flip tricks and feels stable and can bomb the occasional hill.

The answer is always 99a Conical Full
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 50 Lions on September 16, 2020, 04:42:57 PM
Just looking for a bit of advice. I’ve only ever skated bones and I’m looking to give Spitfire A shot.

I’m currently skating

STF V1,  53mm 103A

What would be a good conversion? Is there a clear cut Spitfire wheel that I shouldn’t look past?

Cheers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on September 16, 2020, 04:48:11 PM
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Dumb question. I looking to get new wheels. With spitfire (and bones) offering so many shapes I’m like what do I need? I skate street and a diy rarely hit the park.  I’m on 101 radials now. Trying get some flip tricks back etc do I need 99a f4 classics or 99a tablets or neither?

Edit. Is there a wheel that’s good for flip tricks and feels stable and can bomb the occasional hill.
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The answer is always 99a Conical Full

Radials or radial slims flip a little easier in my experience. Conical full is a more fun shape, though. They feel like riding a bulldozer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on September 17, 2020, 05:05:43 AM
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Dumb question. I looking to get new wheels. With spitfire (and bones) offering so many shapes I’m like what do I need? I skate street and a diy rarely hit the park.  I’m on 101 radials now. Trying get some flip tricks back etc do I need 99a f4 classics or 99a tablets or neither?

Edit. Is there a wheel that’s good for flip tricks and feels stable and can bomb the occasional hill.
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The answer is always 99a Conical Full
This x 2
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 17, 2020, 05:32:24 AM
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Dumb question. I looking to get new wheels. With spitfire (and bones) offering so many shapes I’m like what do I need? I skate street and a diy rarely hit the park.  I’m on 101 radials now. Trying get some flip tricks back etc do I need 99a f4 classics or 99a tablets or neither?

Edit. Is there a wheel that’s good for flip tricks and feels stable and can bomb the occasional hill.
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The answer is always 99a Conical Full
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This x 2

I’m gonna counter that with a x 3
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MalHuis on September 17, 2020, 05:57:19 AM
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Dumb question. I looking to get new wheels. With spitfire (and bones) offering so many shapes I’m like what do I need? I skate street and a diy rarely hit the park.  I’m on 101 radials now. Trying get some flip tricks back etc do I need 99a f4 classics or 99a tablets or neither?

Edit. Is there a wheel that’s good for flip tricks and feels stable and can bomb the occasional hill.
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The answer is always 99a Conical Full
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This x 2
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I’m gonna counter that with a x 3

I dont know man. Been on a classics kick, they just go down easier throwing your board around in the air. That and worn down classics just looks the part.

Conical fulls are more bulldozer, got a fresh set of 55 99a rowans for my next setup though just for a change up.

All this being said "The answer is always 99a Conical Full F4s"
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on September 17, 2020, 09:50:10 AM
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Dumb question. I looking to get new wheels. With spitfire (and bones) offering so many shapes I’m like what do I need? I skate street and a diy rarely hit the park.  I’m on 101 radials now. Trying get some flip tricks back etc do I need 99a f4 classics or 99a tablets or neither?

Edit. Is there a wheel that’s good for flip tricks and feels stable and can bomb the occasional hill.
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The answer is always 99a Conical Full
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This x 2
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I’m gonna counter that with a x 3
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I dont know man. Been on a classics kick, they just go down easier throwing your board around in the air. That and worn down classics just looks the part.

Conical fulls are more bulldozer, got a fresh set of 55 99a rowans for my next setup though just for a change up.

All this being said "The answer is always 99a Conical Full F4s"
I feellike Tablets are a nice middle ground between Conical Fulls and Classics, since the riding surface is almost the same as the Conical Fulls yet they have a much slimmer profile. I fucking love my Tablets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on September 17, 2020, 07:43:08 PM
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Dumb question. I looking to get new wheels. With spitfire (and bones) offering so many shapes I’m like what do I need? I skate street and a diy rarely hit the park.  I’m on 101 radials now. Trying get some flip tricks back etc do I need 99a f4 classics or 99a tablets or neither?

Edit. Is there a wheel that’s good for flip tricks and feels stable and can bomb the occasional hill.
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The answer is always 99a Conical Full
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This x 2
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I’m gonna counter that with a x 3
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I dont know man. Been on a classics kick, they just go down easier throwing your board around in the air. That and worn down classics just looks the part.

Conical fulls are more bulldozer, got a fresh set of 55 99a rowans for my next setup though just for a change up.

All this being said "The answer is always 99a Conical Full F4s"
Worn down classics = conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on September 18, 2020, 12:50:12 PM
I didn't know non-F4 "bigheads" are actually like a classic full F4 shape, these are way better. Can't do classic shape anymore after being on big wide wheels, they look too skinny. I recommend the bigheads, that is all.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on September 18, 2020, 07:32:46 PM
looking for an 51mm f4 to pair with venture lows. classics, tablets, or conical? been skating flat, curbs, ledges, and small gaps
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on September 18, 2020, 08:03:05 PM
looking for an 51mm f4 to pair with venture lows. classics, tablets, or conical? been skating flat, curbs, ledges, and small gaps

classics have least wheelbite and a bit more nimble, tablets or conicals a little better for all terrain and lock in. to be honest wheel shapes for the most part really is splitting hairs so dont trip about it too much.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on September 23, 2020, 12:27:05 PM
anyone have measurements of the classic full? (not to be confused with OG classic shape)

edit nvm found it
Classic full 54mm - wheel width 34 riding surface 19

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/612PiuNzw5L.jpg)

Radial 54mm - wheel width 34 riding surface 20

(https://caliroots.com/images/510310/large/spitfire-formula-four-99d-radial-52mm-2111002252-multi.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on September 23, 2020, 05:12:52 PM
I’m sure I’m late to this but when did spitfire start getting manufactured in Mexico? I thought they was made in SF?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on September 23, 2020, 10:20:05 PM
I didn't know non-F4 "bigheads" are actually like a classic full F4 shape, these are way better. Can't do classic shape anymore after being on big wide wheels, they look too skinny. I recommend the bigheads, that is all.
Thank you for unraveling the mystery of the bighead shape. I've always wondered...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 23, 2020, 11:05:52 PM
Someone was selling almost new knock off Spitfire Conicals for $15, thought I would give them a try to see how well they hold up. The are Conical Fulls and I'm riding Bones V3 at the moment, not sure if I can handle the girth.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fat Tire on September 23, 2020, 11:52:32 PM
I’m sure I’m late to this but when did spitfire start getting manufactured in Mexico? I thought they was made in SF?

F4 still are as far as I know, did you get a new set with made in Mexico on them?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: knee surgery on September 24, 2020, 05:52:37 AM
is the f4 classics formula any different? bought some 54mm 99a f4 classics and they don't feel like my old non-classics ones (regular 99a f4s), they actually feel like minilogos or some cheap ass wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank on September 24, 2020, 06:09:14 AM
happy i came across some 99a f4 classics in 54mm. i'm so goddamn broke, but i'll be damned if i don't set up at least one set of new wheels this year. my current pair is now over a year old because i cheaped out on stocking up before winter last year and is down to what feels like less than 50mm. also need a reason to use those big ball bearings i bought almost a year ago that i didn't want to put into some worn down wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on September 24, 2020, 07:48:34 AM
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I didn't know non-F4 "bigheads" are actually like a classic full F4 shape, these are way better. Can't do classic shape anymore after being on big wide wheels, they look too skinny. I recommend the bigheads, that is all.
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Thank you for unraveling the mystery of the bighead shape. I've always wondered...

Yeah I dig em. Wish they still made classic fulls though because these non-F4's flatspot really easily.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on September 24, 2020, 08:07:47 AM
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I’m sure I’m late to this but when did spitfire start getting manufactured in Mexico? I thought they was made in SF?
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F4 still are as far as I know, did you get a new set with made in Mexico on them?

Yeah they are F4 99a classics. I’m sure they’ll skate fine just kinda of a bummer because if I have the option I’d like to buy American and I thought  spits was made in USA and I’ll prob start buying bones after these. 
(https://i.ibb.co/nCPzvSV/DC1224-E3-EEE2-47-D3-AB07-CD0-B45489518.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nCPzvSV)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on September 24, 2020, 08:41:25 AM
You're late on this they've been made in Mexico for years now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on September 24, 2020, 10:46:01 AM
You're late on this they've been made in Mexico for years now
My bad. Thats a bummer. It’s been a few years since I got new wheels. So it makes since. Either way bummer
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on September 24, 2020, 05:53:00 PM
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You're late on this they've been made in Mexico for years now
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My bad. Thats a bummer. It’s been a few years since I got new wheels. So it makes since. Either way bummer

Why a bummer? It’s like decks being outsourced to Mexico... keeps the cost down, quality up, and promotes trade between boarders.

I like some bones, but just cause they’re rich enough to keep their production in the states and carry the nice guy shtick doesn’t mean they’re any better or your money is going to anything more sustainable.
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Post by: Murge on September 24, 2020, 08:53:48 PM
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You're late on this they've been made in Mexico for years now
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My bad. Thats a bummer. It’s been a few years since I got new wheels. So it makes since. Either way bummer
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Why a bummer? It’s like decks being outsourced to Mexico... keeps the cost down, quality up, and promotes trade between boarders.

I like some bones, but just cause they’re rich enough to keep their production in the states and carry the nice guy shtick doesn’t mean they’re any better or your money is going to anything more sustainable.

Yeah I mean you’re right. But if I have the option of buying American I would prefer to do so. Jobs and all that. I work in manufacturing as a machinist and so I just prefer if I have the option to opt for supporting manufacturing and jobs in America. I don’t disagree with what your saying. But it’s just a preference
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LordManHammer on September 29, 2020, 05:01:08 PM
F-4’s were Spitfires answer to Bones STF and SPF.  I’ve tried both and I’ve learned a few thing’s.  Bones are a knockoff and close enough wheels compared to Spitfires the rest are garbage.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 29, 2020, 05:22:47 PM
I try to make ethical purchases. I care about labor conditions, environmental regulations and so on but F4s are so good, I might not care if my first born was enslaved and forced to pour F4 urethane for her whole childhood as it enhances my skateboard experience that much.

I joke of course...  If F4s were really shitting on the planet and workers that badly I would reluctantly settle for the 99a STFs.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on September 30, 2020, 04:50:54 AM
What's the smallest f4 size.

Trying to see if should get board cakes fat bundts or not
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 30, 2020, 06:44:51 AM
What's the smallest f4 size.

Trying to see if should get board cakes fat bundts or not

They made 49mm F4 classics but I haven't seen any in ages. The 51mm Tablets, while they are indeed 1mm taller than the 50mm classics, are very slim and wear down evenly and still skate wonderfully when tiny. I ran my last set down to 46mm and was still hesitant to retire them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gonzSOI on September 30, 2020, 07:15:54 AM
do any of you know if Spitfire makes or plans on making a 95A wheel?  im riding 80HD's now.  they are so smooth, but too soft for sliding.  i was also thinking of running a set of OJ's because i found a set of 95A's.

anybody have any experience to compare the two? let me know what yall think.  i havent had a set of OJ's since the early 90's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on September 30, 2020, 07:31:22 AM
A 97a F4 is coming soon ish.
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Post by: Xen on September 30, 2020, 07:36:54 AM
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Trying to see if should get board cakes fat bundts or not
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They made 49mm F4 classics but I haven't seen any in ages. The 51mm Tablets, while they are indeed 1mm taller than the 50mm classics, are very slim and wear down evenly and still skate wonderfully when tiny. I ran my last set down to 46mm and was still hesitant to retire them.

I just setup 51mm tabs with the intent on getting them in the mid 40 range
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 30, 2020, 07:48:12 AM
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What's the smallest f4 size.

Trying to see if should get board cakes fat bundts or not
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They made 49mm F4 classics but I haven't seen any in ages. The 51mm Tablets, while they are indeed 1mm taller than the 50mm classics, are very slim and wear down evenly and still skate wonderfully when tiny. I ran my last set down to 46mm and was still hesitant to retire them.
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I just setup 51mm tabs with the intent on getting them in the mid 40 range

They're kind of great for that because they maintain shape and it doesn't look weird or anything. I'll post pics of my 46s later.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on September 30, 2020, 08:14:58 AM
do any of you know if Spitfire makes or plans on making a 95A wheel?  im riding 80HD's now.  they are so smooth, but too soft for sliding.  i was also thinking of running a set of OJ's because i found a set of 95A's.

anybody have any experience to compare the two? let me know what yall think.  i havent had a set of OJ's since the early 90's.
as @chris. said above a 97a spitfire formula is coming. I just grabbed some classic formula OG classics to try in the meantime. Little more forgiving than the 99a per reviews. There was discussion on the OJ Nomads 95a formula in the Wheels thread, below. OJ just shared some clips around the wheel on their YT page.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3402380#new
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Post by: RichardBarkley on September 30, 2020, 08:30:56 AM
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They made 49mm F4 classics but I haven't seen any in ages. The 51mm Tablets, while they are indeed 1mm taller than the 50mm classics, are very slim and wear down evenly and still skate wonderfully when tiny. I ran my last set down to 46mm and was still hesitant to retire them.
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I just setup 51mm tabs with the intent on getting them in the mid 40 range
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They're kind of great for that because they maintain shape and it doesn't look weird or anything. I'll post pics of my 46s later.

Yeah please do cheers man
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Post by: gonzSOI on September 30, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
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do any of you know if Spitfire makes or plans on making a 95A wheel?  im riding 80HD's now.  they are so smooth, but too soft for sliding.  i was also thinking of running a set of OJ's because i found a set of 95A's.

anybody have any experience to compare the two? let me know what yall think.  i havent had a set of OJ's since the early 90's.
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as @chris. said above a 97a spitfire formula is coming. I just grabbed some classic formula OG classics to try in the meantime. Little more forgiving than the 99a per reviews. There was discussion on the OJ Nomads 95a formula in the Wheels thread, below. OJ just shared some clips around the wheel on their YT page.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3402380#new

good deal, appreciate you PALS
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gonzSOI on September 30, 2020, 09:47:05 AM
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do any of you know if Spitfire makes or plans on making a 95A wheel?  im riding 80HD's now.  they are so smooth, but too soft for sliding.  i was also thinking of running a set of OJ's because i found a set of 95A's.

anybody have any experience to compare the two? let me know what yall think.  i havent had a set of OJ's since the early 90's.
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as @chris. said above a 97a spitfire formula is coming. I just grabbed some classic formula OG classics to try in the meantime. Little more forgiving than the 99a per reviews. There was discussion on the OJ Nomads 95a formula in the Wheels thread, below. OJ just shared some clips around the wheel on their YT page.
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3402380#new

sick vid as well, thanks for the link
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on September 30, 2020, 12:36:29 PM
Tablets under 50mm are so good. I gave away my last worn down set and I miss them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: l1ll1ll1 on September 30, 2020, 02:13:57 PM
Tablets under 50mm are so good. I gave away my last worn down set and I miss them.

Mine just hit 49mm (coming from 53), they start to chip away more now. Like, F4s are loosing some pieces sometimes, but mine are really going at it now. Don't know why.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Made In China on September 30, 2020, 02:25:56 PM
anyone have measurements of the classic full? (not to be confused with OG classic shape)

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Classic full 54mm - wheel width 34 riding surface 19

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/612PiuNzw5L.jpg)

Radial 54mm - wheel width 34 riding surface 20

(https://caliroots.com/images/510310/large/spitfire-formula-four-99d-radial-52mm-2111002252-multi.jpg)

Is there a good breakdown for all of the different F4 wheels like this? I want to order another pair but all the different offerings is a little confusing. (Also sorry if this question has been asking multiple times before!)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on September 30, 2020, 02:41:35 PM
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anyone have measurements of the classic full? (not to be confused with OG classic shape)

edit nvm found it
Classic full 54mm - wheel width 34 riding surface 19

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/612PiuNzw5L.jpg)

Radial 54mm - wheel width 34 riding surface 20

(https://caliroots.com/images/510310/large/spitfire-formula-four-99d-radial-52mm-2111002252-multi.jpg)

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Is there a good breakdown for all of the different F4 wheels like this? I want to order another pair but all the different offerings is a little confusing. (Also sorry if this question has been asking multiple times before!)

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 01, 2020, 06:05:12 AM
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What's the smallest f4 size.

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They made 49mm F4 classics but I haven't seen any in ages. The 51mm Tablets, while they are indeed 1mm taller than the 50mm classics, are very slim and wear down evenly and still skate wonderfully when tiny. I ran my last set down to 46mm and was still hesitant to retire them.
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I just setup 51mm tabs with the intent on getting them in the mid 40 range
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They're kind of great for that because they maintain shape and it doesn't look weird or anything. I'll post pics of my 46s later.
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Yeah please do cheers man

(https://i.imgur.com/KDtyPWN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZZCuF5I.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xFS0v8O.jpg)

Here they are, started at 51 and now 46. Still skateable but, but they were looking wild on some of the big boy shapes. I set them up at the beginning of April and was skating them consistently through July. I was home from work and skating every day, so it is a testament to how well they hold up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on October 01, 2020, 06:32:53 AM
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What's the smallest f4 size.

Trying to see if should get board cakes fat bundts or not
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They made 49mm F4 classics but I haven't seen any in ages. The 51mm Tablets, while they are indeed 1mm taller than the 50mm classics, are very slim and wear down evenly and still skate wonderfully when tiny. I ran my last set down to 46mm and was still hesitant to retire them.
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I just setup 51mm tabs with the intent on getting them in the mid 40 range
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They're kind of great for that because they maintain shape and it doesn't look weird or anything. I'll post pics of my 46s later.
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Yeah please do cheers man
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(https://i.imgur.com/KDtyPWN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZZCuF5I.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xFS0v8O.jpg)

Here they are, started at 51 and now 46. Still skateable but, but they were looking wild on some of the big boy shapes. I set them up at the beginning of April and was skating them consistently through July. I was home from work and skating every day, so it is a testament to how well they hold up.


Wow they hold up so well. Nice one man.

Think that's what I'll do
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on October 01, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
I was actually looking on Amazon the other day and almost bought a digital measuring caliper with the intent of only using it to measure my wheels. It was only $10.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 01, 2020, 10:57:11 AM
Radial Slims or Conicals in 52mm and 101d? I'm coming from Bones V1, V2 and V3. Something light would be preferred.

If anyone has a set to get rid of hit me up to, thanks!
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 01, 2020, 11:20:46 AM
I was actually looking on Amazon the other day and almost bought a digital measuring caliper with the intent of only using it to measure my wheels. It was only $10.

Almost got a digital as well but decided I just wanted that brass one to throw in my bag and not have to worry about a battery or anything. It was similarly priced.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on October 01, 2020, 11:32:18 AM
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I was actually looking on Amazon the other day and almost bought a digital measuring caliper with the intent of only using it to measure my wheels. It was only $10.
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Almost got a digital as well but decided I just wanted that brass one to throw in my bag and not have to worry about a battery or anything. It was similarly priced.
got this one a while back

https://www.amazon.com/Digital-Caliper-Adoric-Calipers-Measuring/dp/B07DFFYCXS/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3E3AO4G7SBSR4&dchild=1&keywords=digital+caliper&qid=1601577091&sprefix=digital+calip%2Caps%2C151&sr=8-4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stigmata on October 01, 2020, 12:22:41 PM
I got some new Formula Four classics this week and the color of them look different than the normal almost dark tan color they usually are. These are closer to an off-white, eggshell color.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on October 01, 2020, 12:25:08 PM
I got some new Formula Four classics this week and the color of them look different than the normal almost dark tan color they usually are. These are closer to an off-white, eggshell color.
I saw a couple left in the vans store in the mall and one looked like coffee and the other looked almost white in comparison - both f4s in 99a too. It kinda makes me appreciate getting a really light colored set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 01, 2020, 01:48:26 PM
Radial Slims or Conicals in 52mm and 101d? I'm coming from Bones V1, V2 and V3. Something light would be preferred.

If anyone has a set to get rid of hit me up to, thanks!

Radial Slims or Tablets.

V1 is a wider V3 (and vice versa) V1 is closer to a spit classic (but not as round or wide).

Radial slims = V2s shape-wise but V2 are thinner

Tablets are also similar to Vs just more strait cut/smaller lip

Radial Slims are the widest spits I'll touch.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank on October 04, 2020, 12:43:08 AM
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I got some new Formula Four classics this week and the color of them look different than the normal almost dark tan color they usually are. These are closer to an off-white, eggshell color.
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I saw a couple left in the vans store in the mall and one looked like coffee and the other looked almost white in comparison - both f4s in 99a too. It kinda makes me appreciate getting a really light colored set.

my new set of classics 99a is also off white eggshell colored, my last two sets had a darker, more yellowed up tint. they fortunately ride the same. also glad i got the lighter wheels, although spits darken more nicely than bones for example, they yellow into this atomic piss color that is really unappealing. f4s just look like old, but solid wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ClownOfTheDay on October 20, 2020, 08:16:18 AM
I remember radial slims 101's sliding really well. Maybe that's cuz of the smaller profile but I think I might get a set of those or normal radials, Lately I've been sizing down my wheel sizes, I used to skate really big wheels only like 58's but right now a 54 feels really big, 53's are comfortable but I wanna try 51 or 50.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 20, 2020, 08:26:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/9zmfRg8.png)

Soon, come, please.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 20, 2020, 08:56:14 AM
Does anyone have a set of radial slims and classics? Want to compare shapes front the side profile to see how much the side rounds out on radial slims which can be hard to see from the stock Google images.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: baustin on October 20, 2020, 09:13:44 AM
Does anyone have a set of radial slims and classics? Want to compare shapes front the side profile to see how much the side rounds out on radial slims which can be hard to see from the stock Google images.

These are some 54mm Radial Slims I started skating roughly a week ago.

(https://i.ibb.co/YhMHnrY/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YhMHnrY)
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Post by: rocklobster on October 20, 2020, 09:16:07 AM
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Does anyone have a set of radial slims and classics? Want to compare shapes front the side profile to see how much the side rounds out on radial slims which can be hard to see from the stock Google images.
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These are some 54mm Radial Slims I started skating roughly a week ago.

(https://i.ibb.co/YhMHnrY/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YhMHnrY)

Thanks for the pic, are the sides rounder, kind of like a bubble effect around the side of the wheel?
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Post by: baustin on October 20, 2020, 09:19:08 AM
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Does anyone have a set of radial slims and classics? Want to compare shapes front the side profile to see how much the side rounds out on radial slims which can be hard to see from the stock Google images.
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These are some 54mm Radial Slims I started skating roughly a week ago.

(https://i.ibb.co/YhMHnrY/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YhMHnrY)
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Thanks for the pic, are the sides rounder, kind of like a bubble effect around the side of the wheel?

They definitely have a nice round side profile. They’re not straight cut at all, but still not as rounded as classics so you get more riding surface. I like everything about the shape other than the bearing seats not being very deep in the wheels which leaves the axle nuts and bearings more exposed.

(https://i.ibb.co/JRxCpN6/FBAECFC8-6-C1-B-4-D34-A435-20-C9327-C9-DC1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JRxCpN6)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cthulhu! on October 20, 2020, 09:22:19 AM
I got some new Formula Four classics this week and the color of them look different than the normal almost dark tan color they usually are. These are closer to an off-white, eggshell color.
That's interesting. I bought some as well. Conicals, 99a. Raised lettering, pale nimbus white.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on October 20, 2020, 01:55:21 PM
Does anyone have a set of radial slims and classics? Want to compare shapes front the side profile to see how much the side rounds out on radial slims which can be hard to see from the stock Google images.
I actually have a set of classics on deck and and pair of radial slims but I have skated them for a few months so I don’t know if that’s the best but if you want I’ll take a picture of both on Thursday when I skate
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2020, 07:41:51 PM
Does anyone have a set of radial slims and classics? Want to compare shapes front the side profile to see how much the side rounds out on radial slims which can be hard to see from the stock Google images.

When I look at this on the desktop computer screen with the bigger pics and specs of the wheels including classic and radial slim, you get a good indication, but it might not look so good on a small phone screen.

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2019/07/30/spitfire-wheel-shapes-explained/

Specifically these two pics:

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-10.46.45-am.png

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-10.47.37-am.png

This is a trimmed down and blown up side shot, which might also show well enough.

Radial size 54mm x 31 wide x 19.5 riding surface / 52mm x 30 wide x 18.5 riding surface

Classic size 54mm x 33.5 wide x 16.5 riding surface / 52mm x 32 wide x 15.5 riding surface

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 20, 2020, 09:14:53 PM
Does anyone have a set of radial slims and classics? Want to compare shapes front the side profile to see how much the side rounds out on radial slims which can be hard to see from the stock Google images.

Without getting down to deciphering CAD pics (not a dis, appreciate the effort), the classics are like like golf balls compared to radial slims...let alone tablets (just a straight cut radial slim)...cannot see why the shape is useful or preferred really, other than being classically marketable as they have superior shapes/choices for different types of skating (arguably just more marketing.."Lock-Ins" "Radials" "Classic-Full/Slim"); they are called classics for a reason.

Both 52mm.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xDW4C30rOS2Q3oVxm22JUuT9qhVhSs4Uaeh3PsJjHzkBNstPSNyzkOHAb4WZ9MGK0Y8xT6WE6hkKSIMpHizgRbSEsTJ1buxcPsfWOYt86lA_tw8Fgv7-JnRrfxIwXIStd6aADc-SB_Q)

Personally, I'd like to see the classic slim make a come-back in 101.

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Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on October 20, 2020, 09:18:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/9zmfRg8.png)

Soon, come, please.

I was hoping for the OG classic shape in F4 97a. Anyone know if that’s still in the cards?
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Post by: Xen on October 20, 2020, 09:19:50 PM
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Soon, come, please.
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I was hoping for the OG classic shape in F4 97a. Anyone know if that’s still in the cards?

I hope so, better shape IMO.
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Post by: rocklobster on October 20, 2020, 10:17:49 PM
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These are some 54mm Radial Slims I started skating roughly a week ago.

(https://i.ibb.co/YhMHnrY/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YhMHnrY)
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Thanks for the pic, are the sides rounder, kind of like a bubble effect around the side of the wheel?
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They definitely have a nice round side profile. They’re not straight cut at all, but still not as rounded as classics so you get more riding surface. I like everything about the shape other than the bearing seats not being very deep in the wheels which leaves the axle nuts and bearings more exposed.

(https://i.ibb.co/JRxCpN6/FBAECFC8-6-C1-B-4-D34-A435-20-C9327-C9-DC1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JRxCpN6)

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Does anyone have a set of radial slims and classics? Want to compare shapes front the side profile to see how much the side rounds out on radial slims which can be hard to see from the stock Google images.
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Without getting down to deciphering CAD pics (not a dis, appreciate the effort), the classics are like like golf balls compared to radial slims...let alone tablets (just a straight cut radial slim)...cannot see why the shape is useful or preferred really, other than being classically marketable as they have superior shapes/choices for different types of skating (arguably just more marketing.."Lock-Ins" "Radials" "Classic-Full/Slim"); they are called classics for a reason.

Both 52mm.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xDW4C30rOS2Q3oVxm22JUuT9qhVhSs4Uaeh3PsJjHzkBNstPSNyzkOHAb4WZ9MGK0Y8xT6WE6hkKSIMpHizgRbSEsTJ1buxcPsfWOYt86lA_tw8Fgv7-JnRrfxIwXIStd6aADc-SB_Q)

Personally, I'd like to see the classic slim make a come-back in 101.



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Does anyone have a set of radial slims and classics? Want to compare shapes front the side profile to see how much the side rounds out on radial slims which can be hard to see from the stock Google images.
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When I look at this on the desktop computer screen with the bigger pics and specs of the wheels including classic and radial slim, you get a good indication, but it might not look so good on a small phone screen.

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/2019/07/30/spitfire-wheel-shapes-explained/

Specifically these two pics:

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-10.46.45-am.png

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Screen-Shot-2019-07-30-at-10.47.37-am.png

This is a trimmed down and blown up side shot, which might also show well enough.

Radial size 54mm x 31 wide x 19.5 riding surface / 52mm x 30 wide x 18.5 riding surface

Classic size 54mm x 33.5 wide x 16.5 riding surface / 52mm x 32 wide x 15.5 riding surface


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I actually have a set of classics on deck and and pair of radial slims but I have skated them for a few months so I don’t know if that’s the best but if you want I’ll take a picture of both on Thursday when I skate

Appreciate the pics everyone, I have a set of Classics and Tablets (currently setup). China has started to make counterfeit Radial Slims (Speed Kills 54mm 101a, Yellow / Green graphic) and they are improving the color of their formula to match the yellow of Spitfires. Their first batch of Radial Slims (F4 101a, Venomous) were conical shaped and a dead giveaway for their in-authenticity.

I was planning on buying a set of counterfeit Radial Slims to test them out. Didn't have a set on hand to compare shapes of the genuine versus counterfeits hence the request for pics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2020, 07:10:38 AM

Without getting down to deciphering CAD pics (not a dis, appreciate the effort), the classics are like like golf balls compared to radial slims...let alone tablets (just a straight cut radial slim)...cannot see why the shape is useful or preferred really, other than being classically marketable as they have superior shapes/choices for different types of skating (arguably just more marketing.."Lock-Ins" "Radials" "Classic-Full/Slim"); they are called classics for a reason.

Both 52mm.

Personally, I'd like to see the classic slim make a come-back in 101.

Classics = yes totally!

Funny thing is I like the feel of my worn down F4 classics more than any other current shape, so they would be almost a cross between classic full (bighead shape) and radials, but that is just me.

I also get older almost dead wheels from people I know who ride bigger sizes, then use an angle grinder on the sides to get them back to a nice shape.  This might sound weird or crazy but it works really well.

You could do that to your classics to slim them down a bit too.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0CfVwoFjEp/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 21, 2020, 10:28:29 AM
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Without getting down to deciphering CAD pics (not a dis, appreciate the effort), the classics are like like golf balls compared to radial slims...let alone tablets (just a straight cut radial slim)...cannot see why the shape is useful or preferred really, other than being classically marketable as they have superior shapes/choices for different types of skating (arguably just more marketing.."Lock-Ins" "Radials" "Classic-Full/Slim"); they are called classics for a reason.

Both 52mm.

Personally, I'd like to see the classic slim make a come-back in 101.
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Classics = yes totally!

Funny thing is I like the feel of my worn down F4 classics more than any other current shape, so they would be almost a cross between classic full (bighead shape) and radials, but that is just me.

I also get older almost dead wheels from people I know who ride bigger sizes, then use an angle grinder on the sides to get them back to a nice shape.  This might sound weird or crazy but it works really well.

You could do that to your classics to slim them down a bit too.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0CfVwoFjEp/


Damn, putting in some work!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on October 21, 2020, 08:38:25 PM
Been skating 50mm f4 99a classics . Pretty perfect lil wheel

seems they not so common around here wished
I grabbed two sets when I had the chance
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2020, 11:42:06 PM
Been skating 50mm f4 99a classics . Pretty perfect lil wheel

seems they not so common around here wished
I grabbed two sets when I had the chance

Stock is slowly coming back up, but supply will struggle with the demand for a while longer I think, no matter where you are, but we don't have much in Australia right now.

Most good shops just had restock of conical full in 54 and 56, classic 52, some lock ins and some others, but not much.  The classic 52 would be the closest thing right now though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on October 23, 2020, 10:11:01 AM
FYI, if your local is lacking F4 like mine, Plus Skateshop has most every size/shape in stock.
And you're still supporting a real skateshop if you buy from them.
I just got 5 sets (53 & 55 Lockins, 54 & 56 x 2 Conical Full; all 99d)
https://plusskateshop.com/collections/wheels?page=5&sort_by=title-ascending
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 24, 2020, 06:17:12 PM
FYI, if your local is lacking F4 like mine, Plus Skateshop has most every size/shape in stock.
And you're still supporting a real skateshop if you buy from them.
I just got 5 sets (53 & 55 Lockins, 54 & 56 x 2 Conical Full; all 99d)
https://plusskateshop.com/collections/wheels?page=5&sort_by=title-ascending

Yeah! So good!  And I would imagine there would be quite a few local shops who would not put their inventory online who would still have good stocks of wheels and other hardgoods too.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 24, 2020, 06:46:01 PM
Been skating 50mm f4 99a classics . Pretty perfect lil wheel

seems they not so common around here wished
I grabbed two sets when I had the chance

The best wheel. I have a set on ice. 50/51mm 99 F4 classics and tablets are my favorite and are all I ever want to skate.

That being said, currently skating some 50mm big heads and I'm truly impressed with how they handle crust. Also have some 49mm boardycakes princess cuts (like a tablet) on ice that I will try at some point.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: clown_conspirator on October 25, 2020, 09:49:58 AM
I'm in desperate need of new wheels but the shortage, as we all know, is making that hard. 6 months ago I couldn't track down F4s and ended up buying Bones STF despite riding Spits since I was a child. I fucking hate them and am scavenging for new wheels. I ride mostly transition at the park but do some street skating/ledges too. I want the 58mm conical full but those are nowhere to be seen. I tracked down some 60mm F4 classics, I was wondering if anyone has experience with these specifically for tranny. I'm worried that the roundness would boot me off the coping during 5-0 stand ups.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 25, 2020, 04:00:45 PM
I'm in desperate need of new wheels but the shortage, as we all know, is making that hard. 6 months ago I couldn't track down F4s and ended up buying Bones STF despite riding Spits since I was a child. I fucking hate them and am scavenging for new wheels. I ride mostly transition at the park but do some street skating/ledges too. I want the 58mm conical full but those are nowhere to be seen. I tracked down some 60mm F4 classics, I was wondering if anyone has experience with these specifically for tranny. I'm worried that the roundness would boot me off the coping during 5-0 stand ups.

Are you in the USA or where?  That situation sounds exactly like here in Australia up until a week ago, when a small drop arrived, but all that were left were 50mm and 60mm classics, for the most part.  Now shops have 56mm conical full in stock and on ebay.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 25, 2020, 04:16:24 PM
I'm in desperate need of new wheels but the shortage, as we all know, is making that hard. 6 months ago I couldn't track down F4s and ended up buying Bones STF despite riding Spits since I was a child. I fucking hate them and am scavenging for new wheels. I ride mostly transition at the park but do some street skating/ledges too. I want the 58mm conical full but those are nowhere to be seen. I tracked down some 60mm F4 classics, I was wondering if anyone has experience with these specifically for tranny. I'm worried that the roundness would boot me off the coping during 5-0 stand ups.

There are often two broad wheel types that people love or hate depending on which ones you are used to, the conical / square edge and the classic / rounded edge.  Although I am way more a fan of the classic, I know a lot of people who have been used to the conical say they fall off the coping on the classic round edge.  They are a bit different to skate, but once the classics wear down a bit with a wider surface they are really good and don't stick as much as conical wheels do, so they allow for longer grinds.

Right now I don't think there is much in the Formula Four over 56 coming out, but there are the 56 conical full so you could see if you can track down a set of those.

I would think that the 60mm classics would actually be really good and fun as they are a lot wider too, but that is just me.

I recall seeing this post, but right now I cannot get on their shop page, but Uprise skate shop show up to 58mm.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CF5oc1aplS5/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Level 60 Dwarf Rogue on October 25, 2020, 04:37:16 PM
I'm in desperate need of new wheels but the shortage, as we all know, is making that hard. 6 months ago I couldn't track down F4s and ended up buying Bones STF despite riding Spits since I was a child. I fucking hate them and am scavenging for new wheels. I ride mostly transition at the park but do some street skating/ledges too. I want the 58mm conical full but those are nowhere to be seen. I tracked down some 60mm F4 classics, I was wondering if anyone has experience with these specifically for tranny. I'm worried that the roundness would boot me off the coping during 5-0 stand ups.
You’ll be fine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on October 25, 2020, 05:59:09 PM
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Been skating 50mm f4 99a classics . Pretty perfect lil wheel

seems they not so common around here wished
I grabbed two sets when I had the chance
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The best wheel. I have a set on ice. 50/51mm 99 F4 classics and tablets are my favorite and are all I ever want to skate.

That being said, currently skating some 50mm big heads and I'm truly impressed with how they handle crust. Also have some 49mm boardycakes princess cuts (like a tablet) on ice that I will try at some point.
I'm definitely going to pick up a set of big heads when they're is stock again

I ordered two sets of 50mm f4 classics from Parade world US on Thursday
According to DHL they coming today (to Australia) that is fast
Shit I order in my own city doesn't get here that quick

Pretty happy with that. now if the rain would stop
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on October 28, 2020, 12:09:48 PM
DROP 4
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

97a classic shape
54, 56mm

(https://i.ibb.co/c22S3Q7/image.png) (https://ibb.co/c22S3Q7)

F4 OG Classics

(https://i.ibb.co/h7R0HcV/image.png) (https://ibb.co/h7R0HcV)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stigmata on October 28, 2020, 12:51:50 PM
I def wanna try those new OG Classics in FF4!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 28, 2020, 06:54:00 PM
I def wanna try those new OG Classics in FF4!!

Same, but for some reason I was thinking they'd drop the 97a in the OG classic...oh well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 28, 2020, 07:07:41 PM
haha i always contemplate getting some different shape or duro.. again only to go back to the classic f4 99a.. works soo perfect for me. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on October 28, 2020, 07:54:11 PM
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I def wanna try those new OG Classics in FF4!!
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Same, but for some reason I was thinking they'd drop the 97a in the OG classic...oh well.
that would’ve been sweet. Like the nonf4 OG classics just started riding a set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on October 28, 2020, 10:57:35 PM
DROP 4
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

97a classic shape
54, 56mm

(https://i.ibb.co/c22S3Q7/image.png) (https://ibb.co/c22S3Q7)

F4 OG Classics

(https://i.ibb.co/h7R0HcV/image.png) (https://ibb.co/h7R0HcV)

Say the truth with me guys.

I do not need new wheels. The wheels I have right now are perfectly fine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 28, 2020, 11:14:55 PM
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DROP 4
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

97a classic shape
54, 56mm

(https://i.ibb.co/c22S3Q7/image.png) (https://ibb.co/c22S3Q7)

F4 OG Classics

(https://i.ibb.co/h7R0HcV/image.png) (https://ibb.co/h7R0HcV)
[close]

Say the truth with me guys.

I do not need new wheels. The wheels I have right now are perfectly fine dogshit and holding me back from achieving my full potential.

Fixed some typos for ya.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cellular on October 29, 2020, 12:36:52 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/F0dznJD/123945-0-Spitfire-Formula-Four-Classic.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F0dznJD)

Been skating these for like six months. No flatspotting, rides amazing, yellows a little but not too bad
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 29, 2020, 03:33:43 AM
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DROP 4
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

97a classic shape
54, 56mm


F4 OG Classics

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Say the truth with me guys.

I do not need new wheels. The wheels I have right now are perfectly fine dogshit and holding me back from achieving my full potential.
[close]

Fixed some typos for ya.

I have not laughed like that in a while!

I think we could all have more wheels and still be perfectly happy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on October 29, 2020, 03:37:01 AM
whats the difference between the og classics and say a conical/conical full? seems the same by the description
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 29, 2020, 03:37:36 AM
So I have come up with my own wheels, given I have too many classics, which are now nicely worn down...

May I present the Classic ASS, just a simple lover of the wider round shape, straight from years of skating to a new era of small wheels near you.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beatifk on October 29, 2020, 04:09:44 AM
So I have come up with my own wheels, given I have too many classics, which are now nicely worn down...

May I present the Classic ASS, just a simple lover of the wider round shape, straight from years of skating to a new era of small wheels near you.

This is my preferred shape as well... And the reason I buy the biggest wheels available at the moment so by the time I get them down to 52mm they are the best shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on October 29, 2020, 06:19:18 AM
whats the difference between the og classics and say a conical/conical full? seems the same by the description

Can't find the chart but OG classics have a narrower width and a wider contact patch than conical fulls and are wider in both areas than a regular conical. IIRC they also have a more square edge, whereas the CF/C are rounded before they cone in.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on October 29, 2020, 06:31:05 AM
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whats the difference between the og classics and say a conical/conical full? seems the same by the description
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Can't find the chart but OG classics have a narrower width and a wider contact patch than conical fulls and are wider in both areas than a regular conical. IIRC they also have a more square edge, whereas the CF/C are rounded before they cone in.
can take a pic later to compare the shape, but the OG Classics have more of a "cutaway" i think
pulling from tactics:
og classic
54mm
32.3mm width
23mm riding surface

conical full
54mm
35mm width
22mm riding surface

(https://www.companybe.com/Uprise/product_photos/rd_images/rd_June20SpitfireOGClassics99duro54mma.jpg)



(https://www.companybe.com/Uprise/product_photos/rd_images/rd_Aug20SpitfireFormulaFourConicalFull54mm1.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 29, 2020, 07:54:06 AM
The inside of any new Spitfire wheels packaging has the OG profile in the mix (top right), which I had here but will have to take another pic of as I cannot find it online either.

It is almost like a radial outer edge with the conical middle, if that makes any sense.  In other words it is a bit more squared off with a slightly rounded corner but then cuts away down the profile a bit more towards the bearing seat.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFQ4FiUl6TA/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 29, 2020, 08:59:59 AM
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So I have come up with my own wheels, given I have too many classics, which are now nicely worn down...

May I present the Classic ASS, just a simple lover of the wider round shape, straight from years of skating to a new era of small wheels near you.
[close]

This is my preferred shape as well... And the reason I buy the biggest wheels available at the moment so by the time I get them down to 52mm they are the best shape.

Ha ha. Classic. That must be why when my 58mm Classics get to 54mm they look and feel perfect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beatifk on October 29, 2020, 09:42:52 AM
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So I have come up with my own wheels, given I have too many classics, which are now nicely worn down...

May I present the Classic ASS, just a simple lover of the wider round shape, straight from years of skating to a new era of small wheels near you.
[close]

This is my preferred shape as well... And the reason I buy the biggest wheels available at the moment so by the time I get them down to 52mm they are the best shape.
[close]

Ha ha. Classic. That must be why when my 58mm Classics get to 54mm they look and feel perfect.

Here's mine that started as 55mm and are now about 50mm. I think that I'll set up one more deck until I retire the wheels and trucks.

(https://imgur.com/haJgkZt.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 29, 2020, 03:40:42 PM
Sorry for posting too much, but yeah they look about perfect, as per second and second last pic of what were 58mm classics.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGRr0Bml1lO/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Freelancevagrant on October 29, 2020, 03:58:23 PM
SAY LESS

TAKE ALL OF MY MONEY


(https://i.ibb.co/PCDgfQ6/462-C1-F8-B-2-FBD-45-B8-A6-B6-A03764-B4-A405.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PCDgfQ6)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 29, 2020, 07:24:03 PM
SAY LESS

TAKE ALL OF MY MONEY


(https://i.ibb.co/PCDgfQ6/462-C1-F8-B-2-FBD-45-B8-A6-B6-A03764-B4-A405.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PCDgfQ6)

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall20/sf-2020-d4-dt-03.jpg)

The turntable slipmat is pretty cool.

Wish they would do more pro wheels in the Radial Slim aside from the regular green and red venomous ones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on October 30, 2020, 03:56:01 AM
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DROP 4
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

97a classic shape
54, 56mm

(https://i.ibb.co/c22S3Q7/image.png) (https://ibb.co/c22S3Q7)

F4 OG Classics

(https://i.ibb.co/h7R0HcV/image.png) (https://ibb.co/h7R0HcV)
[close]

Say the truth with me guys.

I do not need new wheels. The wheels I have right now are perfectly fine dogshit and holding me back from achieving my full potential.
[close]

Fixed some typos for ya.
Rocklobster speaking the truth
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on October 30, 2020, 06:24:02 AM
gonna need those 60mm OG classic F4s for my 215s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on October 30, 2020, 07:05:13 AM
Just here to appreciate the F4 thread being on page 99.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 30, 2020, 09:26:53 AM
I wanted a slightly softer wheel for winter parking garage and slippery spots and to make pushing through the crusty streets in the cold more appealing. So I have some 95a OJ nomads on the way but I already know my F4 betrayal will bite me in the arse and I should have waited for the 97a F4s... Forgive me Jim T, I'll be back.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on October 30, 2020, 11:23:09 AM
Page 100!
en route to shops

https://www.instagram.com/p/CG-M8LXleWf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CG-M8LXleWf/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Surf The Earth on October 30, 2020, 11:52:59 AM
the og classic f4 99 duro wheel is not the one we deserve, but the one we need
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on October 30, 2020, 01:00:02 PM
anyone have width and riding surface for the OG Classics?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on October 30, 2020, 01:07:02 PM
anyone have width and riding surface for the OG Classics?

I got these a couple weeks ago. Haven't set them up yet.

I opened the package and thought it was interesting they listed OG Classics in the chart. Wonder if there are plans to put out F4 in that shape

(http://i.imgur.com/l1xtA5x.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on October 30, 2020, 02:53:50 PM
Dude! thank you.  love that they're slightly slimmer than conicals but have a wider riding surface
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on October 30, 2020, 03:56:06 PM
Just here to appreciate the F4 thread being on page 99.
We are almost to 101
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on October 30, 2020, 04:11:32 PM
Was hoping og classics would be the 97du f4 but regardless I am hyped on these two additions. Been trying to find a wheel that's perfect for my 8.75 polar football
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on October 30, 2020, 04:58:39 PM
I'm on 101 tablets. But with the colder morning and a bit more moisture during AM skate sessions, I find myself slipping out a bit more. Would the 97a (or the 95 OJs) make a noticeable difference? Or should I just suck it up?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 30, 2020, 05:24:10 PM
I'm on 101 tablets. But with the colder morning and a bit more moisture during AM skate sessions, I find myself slipping out a bit more. Would the 97a (or the 95 OJs) make a noticeable difference? Or should I just suck it up?

I'll let you know tomorrow. I was on F4 101s all summer. Just set up some OJ 95as. I typically ride f4 99a. Really should have waited for the F4 97as. However, one thing I learned, is its good to try another wheel every once in awhile so I can come back to F4s and confirm just how good they really are.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 30, 2020, 09:07:38 PM
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anyone have width and riding surface for the OG Classics?
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I got these a couple weeks ago. Haven't set them up yet.

I opened the package and thought it was interesting they listed OG Classics in the chart. Wonder if there are plans to put out F4 in that shape

(http://i.imgur.com/l1xtA5x.jpg)
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That pic is hi res when opened, comes up very well with all the info on it being easy to read, perfect for everyone who wants specs of those wheels.

I wonder how much covid has put a dent in the production (obviously a lot) but I guess for now the select sizes are coming out and then the full size range will be slowly brought back as things go back to a more normal supply, if at all.

Anything is better than nothing though, but I could see these selling out a whole lot faster in the first few runs, just like the first Formula Four did whenever that was, 2012 or something?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on October 31, 2020, 12:08:12 PM
Any EU pals know where I can get 99a Lock-Ins? Preferably 53mm. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on November 02, 2020, 03:52:40 PM
are og classics releasing in 101a? that sounds like my perfect wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 02, 2020, 05:00:59 PM
are og classics releasing in 101a? that sounds like my perfect wheel

I'm waiting on those...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on November 02, 2020, 06:12:41 PM
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I'm on 101 tablets. But with the colder morning and a bit more moisture during AM skate sessions, I find myself slipping out a bit more. Would the 97a (or the 95 OJs) make a noticeable difference? Or should I just suck it up?
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I'll let you know tomorrow. I was on F4 101s all summer. Just set up some OJ 95as. I typically ride f4 99a. Really should have waited for the F4 97as. However, one thing I learned, is its good to try another wheel every once in awhile so I can come back to F4s and confirm just how good they really are.

So, how were the OJs? I was at my local park and slipped out more times than I'd like. And since I only skate at parks, I might really want something with a bit more grip.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 02, 2020, 06:56:11 PM
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I'm on 101 tablets. But with the colder morning and a bit more moisture during AM skate sessions, I find myself slipping out a bit more. Would the 97a (or the 95 OJs) make a noticeable difference? Or should I just suck it up?
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I'll let you know tomorrow. I was on F4 101s all summer. Just set up some OJ 95as. I typically ride f4 99a. Really should have waited for the F4 97as. However, one thing I learned, is its good to try another wheel every once in awhile so I can come back to F4s and confirm just how good they really are.
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So, how were the OJs? I was at my local park and slipped out more times than I'd like. And since I only skate at parks, I might really want something with a bit more grip.

Posted in Big Boy thread but this might be my main set up for the next few months. If the wheels are bunk, I'll load her up on some F4 97a s.


-Dressen Slick. An nostalgic impulse buy last year that I finally set up.
-Indy 159 standards, 88a conical aftermarkets. 1/8" risers, long hardware for period correct authenticity.
-OJ Nomads, 54 95a. Was holding out for the 97a F4s but got antsy. Mix matched bearings.


Tried them yesterday. Not a long session but hit a few curb spots and a very crusty jersey barrier spot. They perform as advertised. Rolled over rugged ground nicely but you can easily get them to slide. On curbs they felt good as they are soft enough to have a controlled bite as you lay into a slappy but not so soft your wheel bounces off the curb if you hit it poorly. I did come nose and tail slides but I doubt they will slide well enough for blunt or lip slides, at least not for my lard arse. I wouldn't use them on my regular set up but for a fun crusty or slippery spot alternative they seem great. I'd even say they are a good cruiser wheel for someone who likes harder smaller wheels. Fun on hills also. I'm still looking to compare to the Spitfire F4 97s.

I thought you might like another point of view on the 95s.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on November 02, 2020, 07:39:02 PM
Bless your amazing soul. 95s sound good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slutonparade on November 03, 2020, 10:07:01 AM
Here's a shape comparison of a 52mm Tablet (101) and a 53mm OG Classic NonF4 (99)

(https://i.imgur.com/KNMmiwN.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/f8wy2RP.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 03, 2020, 02:14:28 PM
Here's a shape comparison of a 52mm Tablet (101) and a 53mm OG Classic NonF4 (99)


I guess that is why so many people like and want the OG Classic shape.

And tablet too come to think of it.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 03, 2020, 08:15:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YUST0sW.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/YUST0sW)

I bought these 101 F4 Classics not too long ago, but sadly the left one has morphed into a sad shell of its former self. The rest of the wheels look like the one on the right.

I really liked the classics, so it's a bummer. The set of 99 Conical Fulls I had before didn't shapeshift like this one. I've since put the conicals back on my current setup since I saved them, and have taken all the classics off.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MalHuis on November 03, 2020, 11:21:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/YUST0sW.jpg?1) (https://imgur.com/YUST0sW)

I bought these 101 F4 Classics not too long ago, but sadly the left one has morphed into a sad shell of its former self. The rest of the wheels look like the one on the right.

I really liked the classics, so it's a bummer. The set of 99 Conical Fulls I had before didn't shapeshift like this one. I've since put the conicals back on my current setup since I saved them, and have taken all the classics off.

Damn dude thats whack. You ever rotate your wheels? looks like heavy wear and tear on the morphed ones and the other look fine?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on November 03, 2020, 11:44:47 PM
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I bought these 101 F4 Classics not too long ago, but sadly the left one has morphed into a sad shell of its former self. The rest of the wheels look like the one on the right.

I really liked the classics, so it's a bummer. The set of 99 Conical Fulls I had before didn't shapeshift like this one. I've since put the conicals back on my current setup since I saved them, and have taken all the classics off.
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Damn dude thats whack. You ever rotate your wheels? looks like heavy wear and tear on the morphed ones and the other look fine?

What tricks are you doing or what kind of terrain are you skating that caused such uneven wear on that 1 wheel?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on November 03, 2020, 11:50:26 PM
Maybe the wheel on the left is his back foot heel side wheel / the speed check wheel, and it never got rotated?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Shuh on November 03, 2020, 11:51:46 PM
Am i the only one who think there is too  many square shapes in the F4 lineup?? I think they should delete of of those shapes and bring back classic full regularly.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Madam, I'm Adam on November 04, 2020, 05:45:32 AM
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I bought these 101 F4 Classics not too long ago, but sadly the left one has morphed into a sad shell of its former self. The rest of the wheels look like the one on the right.

I really liked the classics, so it's a bummer. The set of 99 Conical Fulls I had before didn't shapeshift like this one. I've since put the conicals back on my current setup since I saved them, and have taken all the classics off.
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Damn dude thats whack. You ever rotate your wheels? looks like heavy wear and tear on the morphed ones and the other look fine?
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What tricks are you doing or what kind of terrain are you skating that caused such uneven wear on that 1 wheel?

Haha, just regular flat, curbs, banks, flatbars. Run of the mill terrain. No excessive powerslides or anything. I don’t really know what caused it. It sucks bc these are really good wheels.

I’ve never actually rotated my wheels before, but I’ll start doing that from now on. For some reason that’s never been on my radar. Thanks boys!

Maybe the wheel on the left is his back foot heel side wheel / the speed check wheel, and it never got rotated?

Oddly enough it was my back foot toe side wheel. It would make sense if it was heel side bc I’ve been doing a lot of bs slappies, but that wheel was fine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on November 04, 2020, 07:41:45 AM
Why does this spit look like it has tread?(https://i.ibb.co/2czDbDV/A18-DF00-B-E7-CC-49-C3-821-F-35-BB067-E7709.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2czDbDV)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on November 04, 2020, 07:47:14 AM
OG/Pro Classic formula come treaded. F4s do not.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 08:06:37 AM

I bought these 101 F4 Classics not too long ago, but sadly the left one has morphed into a sad shell of its former self. The rest of the wheels look like the one on the right.

I really liked the classics, so it's a bummer. The set of 99 Conical Fulls I had before didn't shapeshift like this one. I've since put the conicals back on my current setup since I saved them, and have taken all the classics off.

Can you take another pic of all four lined up?

I would almost guarantee from biggest to smallest, they would be front heel, front toe (maybe coned), back heel and then back toe (also coned) and I would think that from the wear, you ride the graphic in?

I could be wrong, but I have seen way too many sets like this over the years, all from not rotating wheels and lots of solid skating.  I even have a few sets I have kept, because they have been unreadable with the front heel almost untouched same size as new and the back down to bearing covers.  Front toe will cone the most if you carve into things, or both toe side wheels will cone more so than heel side which wear down flat or even reverse coned.

Rotating wheels makes them wear more evenly and last a lot longer, usually swap the diagonals, eg front toe for back heel keeping them the same way facing out, but if you do notice significant wear on one wheel, swap it with the biggest of the set so at least those two get even wear.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smellsdead on November 04, 2020, 08:30:21 AM
regarding tread and thread- thread screws things together, tread is a
pattern usually on tires.

in this case id say its is whats called "chatter" sometimes in machining, a high feedrate(rate of speed) and a light cut would result in that little swirl around the outside

someones posted the georgia skatewheel maker ig before, hes got a good video detailing such

not like that swirl, tread, thread or whatever you desire to name it would have any bearing on your performance, its probably around the ten thousandths of an inch mark.

shit they wear off in a day if youre actually skating them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on November 04, 2020, 09:43:07 AM
I was just tripping last night how I have one wheel that is clearly smaller than the rest but I just rotated them and when rolling it doesn't lift off the ground or anything so fuck it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 09:51:45 AM
regarding tread and thread- thread screws things together, tread is a
pattern usually on tires.

in this case id say its is whats called "chatter" sometimes in machining, a high feedrate(rate of speed) and a light cut would result in that little swirl around the outside

someones posted the georgia skatewheel maker ig before, hes got a good video detailing such

not like that swirl, tread, thread or whatever you desire to name it would have any bearing on your performance, its probably around the ten thousandths of an inch mark.

shit they wear off in a day if youre actually skating them

So happy all the Formula Four wheels (and Bones SPF for that matter) are smooth finished, so they are good right from the first go on any surface.

I used to be amused by the noise, the zzziiinnnggg of the original formula and all the other brand wheels with the lines when you would slide on smooth surfaces, but until they were worn in, they would be deadly on things like wooden ramps (which we had in the shop) and flatspot easily in the first session if you didn't take them out the back and do a few good carves and slides on the raw concrete.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BMCsteve on November 04, 2020, 05:26:50 PM
97s available at SW https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_Classics_97a_Wheels/descpage-SFC97WH.html
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 04, 2020, 06:09:17 PM
97s available at SW https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_Classics_97a_Wheels/descpage-SFC97WH.html

...and that is how the Skate Warehouse Spitfire wheel riot in 2020 started folks!

I wonder how many they got and how fast they will sell out, or how many other shops just got them in but people don't know about it.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on November 04, 2020, 06:11:19 PM
Anybody got the F4 old school Classic shape yet?
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Post by: Mesteezo on November 04, 2020, 06:45:33 PM
97s available at SW https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_Classics_97a_Wheels/descpage-SFC97WH.html

Hell yeah just ordered some 56’s. Hopefully they come by Friday   :D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on November 05, 2020, 06:31:05 AM
i dont even have any intention of skating them immediately, but i just grabbed some 97duros in 54mm.  i'm a wheel hoarder  :-\
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 05, 2020, 06:59:44 AM
i dont even have any intention of skating them immediately, but i just grabbed some 97duros in 54mm.  i'm a wheel hoarder  :-\

Just one set?  You can't wheely be that much of a hoarder then.

I would be curious to hear what people think of them though.
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Post by: TastyBurrito on November 05, 2020, 10:19:54 AM
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97s available at SW https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_Classics_97a_Wheels/descpage-SFC97WH.html
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Same!

Hell yeah just ordered some 56’s. Hopefully they come by Friday   :D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 05, 2020, 01:57:27 PM
More shops have them now, including:


https://www.instagram.com/p/CHLmYBGFKhn/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on November 05, 2020, 02:07:54 PM
I’m waiting out on 97a for Conical Full or OG Classics. Eager to hear how they compare to Slimeball 97a or F4 99a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on November 05, 2020, 02:11:51 PM
Curious how the classic shape wears down with that 97a compared to F4 though. That 56mm probably nice once worn in a few mms.


$40
https://geometricskateshop.com/collections/new-arrivals/products/spitfire-formula-4-56mm-97-duro

https://geometricskateshop.com/collections/new-arrivals/products/spitfire-formula-4-54mm-97-duro
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 06, 2020, 01:54:33 AM
I seem to recall people asking about the shape of the OG classics, but this post from DLXSF has some really good close up pics of the side profile.  About five and six pics in.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHO3aplFbmT/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lovermangenius on November 06, 2020, 12:24:48 PM
Just got them in, hopefully will get a chance to skate them later today

(https://i.ibb.co/SRR8KYN/Screen-Shot-2020-11-06-at-12-24-05-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/GccLVY7)
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on November 06, 2020, 12:27:37 PM
Just got them in, hopefully will get a chance to skate them later today

(https://i.ibb.co/SRR8KYN/Screen-Shot-2020-11-06-at-12-24-05-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/GccLVY7)
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that was quick! Excited to see it set up and hear your thoughts
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on November 06, 2020, 12:37:53 PM
Mine are on the delivery truck right now, I'll report back later today after I skate them.  ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lovermangenius on November 06, 2020, 02:59:06 PM
Threw them on a set of Indy mids I just picked up from my local.

For reference I was riding 52mm 99 tablets before this for months so some of what I’m feeling might have to do with wheel shape and size. Overall I like how they feel a lot. Really smooth, seems like it will take a bit to get used to sliding them. I’ll probably have a better idea in a few days but so far so good.


(https://i.ibb.co/LZPBndV/9-A275865-71-FC-4398-8976-C4-DC3-D98-F342.jpg) (https://ibb.co/crvRDh4)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on November 06, 2020, 03:01:42 PM
Alright boys, I just set them up and took a couple of hill runs, and let me tell you... THESE ARE FUCKING FIRE.

On rough asphalt they retain speed and they grip like crazy. They even feel stable going over chunky asphalt on the street. I was able to pump for speed downhill pretty hard without sliding out. Usually with the 99a F4's it feels too icy on rough asphalt and I break into a slide if I pump too hard. The 97s have a much more controlled slide compared to the 99s, and it feels fantastic being able to hold a powerslide on the 97s.

On smooth concrete they still grip pretty nice and gives out a low pitched, classic sounding wheel bark when sliding. Though the tradeoff with this is that you lose maybe like 10% of speed compared to the 99a F4's, but it's nowhere near as drastic as the speed reduction of nonF4 99a spitfire OG classics. It still feels like an F4.

I'm pretty sure these are going to be my new favorite wheel, I'm a little heavy footed and found 99A F4s to be too icy, but these 97s are perfect. This is only skating them for 20 minutes but they feel great out of the box.

Go buy some now.
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Post by: lovermangenius on November 06, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Alright boys, I just set them up and took a couple of hill runs, and let me tell you... THESE ARE FUCKING FIRE.

On rough asphalt they retain speed and they grip like crazy. They even feel stable going over chunky asphalt on the street. I was able to pump for speed downhill pretty hard without sliding out. Usually with the 99a F4's it feels too icy on rough asphalt and I break into a slide if I pump too hard. The 97s have a much more controlled slide compared to the 99s, and it feels fantastic being able to hold a powerslide on the 97s.

On smooth concrete they still grip pretty nice and gives out a low pitched, classic sounding wheel bark when sliding. Though the tradeoff with this is that you lose maybe like 10% of speed compared to the 99a F4's, but it's nowhere near as drastic as the speed reduction of nonF4 99a spitfire OG classics. It still feels like an F4.

I'm pretty sure these are going to be my new favorite wheel, I'm a little heavy footed and found 99A F4s to be too icy, but these 97s are perfect. This is only skating them for 20 minutes but they feel great out of the box.

Go buy some now.

Definitely agree on the speed, also I’m not sure if it’s just in my head but they feel really carvey when turning. There’s a curb spot I like skating that has awful concrete, really stoked to try them out there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on November 06, 2020, 03:18:32 PM

Definitely agree on the speed, also I’m not sure if it’s just in my head but they feel really carvey when turning. There’s a curb spot I like skating that has awful concrete, really stoked to try them out there.

Yeah totally. It's like they almost feel like a cruiser wheel in that regard, but are obviously still a hard wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 06, 2020, 04:13:18 PM
Need those so badly
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 06, 2020, 04:33:51 PM
Alright boys, I just set them up and took a couple of hill runs, and let me tell you... THESE ARE FUCKING FIRE.

On rough asphalt they retain speed and they grip like crazy. They even feel stable going over chunky asphalt on the street. I was able to pump for speed downhill pretty hard without sliding out. Usually with the 99a F4's it feels too icy on rough asphalt and I break into a slide if I pump too hard. The 97s have a much more controlled slide compared to the 99s, and it feels fantastic being able to hold a powerslide on the 97s.

On smooth concrete they still grip pretty nice and gives out a low pitched, classic sounding wheel bark when sliding. Though the tradeoff with this is that you lose maybe like 10% of speed compared to the 99a F4's, but it's nowhere near as drastic as the speed reduction of nonF4 99a spitfire OG classics. It still feels like an F4.

I'm pretty sure these are going to be my new favorite wheel, I'm a little heavy footed and found 99A F4s to be too icy, but these 97s are perfect. This is only skating them for 20 minutes but they feel great out of the box.

Go buy some now.

Thanks for the prompt review! You do any nose, tail, blunt or lip slides on them yet? Just curious how sticky they are when you ollie into slide tricks?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on November 06, 2020, 04:53:21 PM


Thanks for the prompt review! You do any nose, tail, blunt or lip slides on them yet? Just curious how sticky they are when you ollie into slide tricks?

Nah not yet I didn’t have time today, but I’ll be going to the park tomorrow morning so I’ll report back again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on November 06, 2020, 04:55:22 PM
so the 97a's are just 54 and 56mm?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on November 06, 2020, 05:29:15 PM
Yes to start, heard there was a conical full in 54 coming too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 06, 2020, 05:39:03 PM
Yes to start, heard there was a conical full in 54 coming too.

Holding out for the OG Classics in f497...should the new hotness
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on November 07, 2020, 11:24:01 AM
The F4 OG classics are up on skatewarehouse

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_OG_Classics_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFOC9WH.html

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on November 07, 2020, 01:58:03 PM
so the 97a's are just 54 and 56mm?
Appears to be that way
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on November 07, 2020, 02:35:02 PM
The F4 OG classics are up on skatewarehouse

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_OG_Classics_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFOC9WH.html

I don't need anymore wheels. I don't need anymore wheels. I don't need anymore wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 07, 2020, 03:37:36 PM
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The F4 OG classics are up on skatewarehouse

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_4_OG_Classics_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFOC9WH.html
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I don't need anymore wheels. I don't need anymore wheels. I don't need anymore wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on November 07, 2020, 03:47:59 PM
Just started riding a set of classic formula OG classics so gonna keep rocking with those for a bit.
Interested in 97a reviews and if they drop in more shapes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 07, 2020, 03:52:46 PM
I
Just started riding a set of classic formula OG classics so gonna keep rocking with those for a bit.
Interested in 97a reviews and if they drop in more shapes.

Would love some 52 F4 of classics in a 97du. Short and wife's for this east coast crust.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on November 07, 2020, 05:08:17 PM
how are the 97s compared to the 99s when it comes to nose/tail/lip/bluntslides on ledges?
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Post by: Mesteezo on November 07, 2020, 05:52:16 PM
how are the 97s compared to the 99s when it comes to nose/tail/lip/bluntslides on ledges?

Just came back from a sesh. The 97s slide on ledges almost like the 99s but take slightly more effort, you have to push through them a little bit harder because of the extra grip. They're kinda like bones SPF when it comes to tail/nose slides, a lil sticky but controllable.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 08, 2020, 01:48:53 AM
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Just came back from a sesh. The 97s slide on ledges almost like the 99s but take slightly more effort, you have to push through them a little bit harder because of the extra grip. They're kinda like bones SPF when it comes to tail/nose slides, a lil sticky but controllable.

Color me interested! I’d rather buy Spitfire than Bones but the SPF just hit the sweetspot for me. Hoping the 97 F4s will become available in Germany soon, could use some new wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sandygoat on November 08, 2020, 08:38:09 AM
Does anybody have any tips for switching bearings. Its been pretty cold where I live as of late and it's been a bitch to switch out bearings. Should I warm them up before I start or is there a technique to taking them out?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2020, 10:23:14 AM
SPFs sticky?
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 08, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
Does anybody have any tips for switching bearings. Its been pretty cold where I live as of late and it's been a bitch to switch out bearings. Should I warm them up before I start or is there a technique to taking them out?

The cold is not the biggest issue, but more the fact that there is no lubrication in assisting getting bearings in (or out) so something like WD40, a drop of speed cream or spit as another very helpful person commented previously (not recommended).  You don't need to douse the whole wheel and bearing, just rub a tiny bit around the inside of the wheel and use the old bearing on the truck on the skateboard and push the wheel down on to it trick which should work every time.

Getting them out can be a pain, but you can work a bit into the edge of the bearing / wheel and use a screwdriver to lever the bearing back and forth in the wheel which lets the lube get in and then the bearing should come out very easily.

I can find a video of this if you are not sure.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sandygoat on November 08, 2020, 07:48:24 PM
thanks for the advice. I never really thought of that last I pulled my bearings I was dripping in sweat by the end of it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: imuseless on November 09, 2020, 12:39:14 AM
OG Classics 55mm is going to be my next wheels.  8)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on November 09, 2020, 06:54:54 AM
are the OG Classic F4's out in any other mm than 55?
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Post by: jay_nev on November 09, 2020, 07:24:42 AM
are the OG Classic F4's out in any other mm than 55?
looks like that is all that has shipped/seen for sale so far? more sizes listed


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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on November 09, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
thanks for posting that, want 52's BAAAAAAD
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Post by: jay_nev on November 09, 2020, 11:23:44 AM
thanks for posting that, want 52's BAAAAAAD

No problem! Yeah, those will be sick. Good comparison on page 100 of 52mm tablet shape and 53mm og classic shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on November 15, 2020, 07:52:41 AM
has anyone seen F4 OG classics in any size other than 55?
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 15, 2020, 02:59:41 PM
has anyone seen F4 OG classics in any size other than 55?

With delays in production, they have only been doing runs of some wheels, so right now the 55mm size might be all that is out, with more on the way, but who knows when that might be.

It does seem that they are getting stocks up quite quickly, so it might be sooner than later, but exactly when, I don't think anyone really knows, hence no one able to answer your question earlier.

As per the Spitfire site and has been shown here as well, there should be 52, 55, 58 and 60mm in those, but from the product card that is included with Spitfire wheels from pre covid it shows OG Classic Formula Four in sizes 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 58 and 60mm, so at some point in the future there might be all sizes.

What size were you hoping for?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: radcunt on November 15, 2020, 03:13:46 PM
Do the 97a handle rough stuff a bit better?  I don't skate parks, and have been skating these Spitfires I got on a Zig Zagger complete 10 years ago and I love them but they're a bit sticky, and i'm not sure if they make them anymore.  They dont really slide at all, but i'm mainly just doing slappies so that's alright. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 15, 2020, 08:01:14 PM
Do the 97a handle rough stuff a bit better?  I don't skate parks, and have been skating these Spitfires I got on a Zig Zagger complete 10 years ago and I love them but they're a bit sticky, and i'm not sure if they make them anymore.  They dont really slide at all, but i'm mainly just doing slappies so that's alright.

Yes 97 give a bit more grip and a bit less vibration overall.

Were the wheels on the Zig Zagger the normal 99 duro or soft wheels?

From ten years ago, there would have been Soft D's in both 95 and 92 duro usually in 52, 54 or 56mm (92 only) which I still have on my boards I ride on slippery ramps or as good get around setups, but I don't think the 80 duro were out, which were way softer, super soft almost mushy feeling - second pic is the 80HD but much the same as the 80s when they came out.

https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/img/spring16/sf/28_SOFTDS-800.jpg

https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/img/spring16/sf/17_CHARGERS_DT-1200.jpg

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on November 15, 2020, 09:07:30 PM
Does anybody have any tips for switching bearings. Its been pretty cold where I live as of late and it's been a bitch to switch out bearings. Should I warm them up before I start or is there a technique to taking them out?

the lube suggestion works, but if you can, id really suggest investing in a bearing press, its so easy for putting bearings in and the hook for pulling them out is amazing too. I just keep mine in my plastic skate shit bin.

Main thing for me is that the press puts them in much straighter than by hand, so no wiggle when you spin them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on November 15, 2020, 11:43:09 PM
i’m pretty sure i heard somewhere that you could use your truck axle as a bearing press.... like put the wheel on and do the first bearing as usual, then the second bearing get it in as far as possible. put washer on the outside bearing then the nut, then tighten it down all the way so the bearing(s) go right into the wheel straight. then back it off to where you usually ride it. idk if it damages bearings or not but it seems to work pretty good sooooo....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 16, 2020, 12:28:22 AM
i’m pretty sure i heard somewhere that you could use your truck axle as a bearing press.... like put the wheel on and do the first bearing as usual, then the second bearing get it in as far as possible. put washer on the outside bearing then the nut, then tighten it down all the way so the bearing(s) go right into the wheel straight. then back it off to where you usually ride it. idk if it damages bearings or not but it seems to work pretty good sooooo....

This is how I have been doing it since the 90s and I don't think I have ever damaged a bearing. I am also using the axle to remove bearings when they are stuck, just push it halfway into the wheel so the thread grabs onto the inside of the bearing and wiggle/pull the wheel at an angle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 01:46:27 AM
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i’m pretty sure i heard somewhere that you could use your truck axle as a bearing press.... like put the wheel on and do the first bearing as usual, then the second bearing get it in as far as possible. put washer on the outside bearing then the nut, then tighten it down all the way so the bearing(s) go right into the wheel straight. then back it off to where you usually ride it. idk if it damages bearings or not but it seems to work pretty good sooooo....
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This is how I have been doing it since the 90s and I don't think I have ever damaged a bearing. I am also using the axle to remove bearings when they are stuck, just push it halfway into the wheel so the thread grabs onto the inside of the bearing and wiggle/pull the wheel at an angle.

Yes indeed! 

The simple skateboard is often the best work bench for doing or fixing lots of things.

The only difference is I put two bearings onto the axle, face down, press the wheel down on the first and spin to make sure it is centered, turn the wheel over and push it down on the second, spin and if good, then put the nut straight on.

Super easy.

Note I put both axle washers on the inside, most of the time even a third, just to get the wheels out a little bit more and the nut is flush with the end of the axle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on November 16, 2020, 08:07:41 AM
You guys ever try one of those skate tools with the bearing press on there? Pretty dope. It makes it too big to carry but I just kinda keep it as my at home tool and it works out nicely.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2020, 04:13:24 PM
You guys ever try one of those skate tools with the bearing press on there? Pretty dope. It makes it too big to carry but I just kinda keep it as my at home tool and it works out nicely.

I have one, or should I say I have lots, one in every place I have to fix boards.  I know there are a few options, but the Reflex tool / Indy tool which has the press and the axle rethreader and they are amazing, but to put bearings in when building setups, I find it a whole lot easier to spread the pressure over both palms of my hands pushing down on the wheel on the axle while the board is on the floor.  It takes half the time too.

Also I know when people have put bearings in but are a bit off center, this way I can check they are spinning correctly on the axle.

These really are the best all round tool I have, mainly for the added rethreader, but it is solid and doesn't bend or break.


(https://i.ibb.co/mbZHk0V/Reflex-Universal-Tool.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mbZHk0V)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slappy50 on November 16, 2020, 11:33:25 PM
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i’m pretty sure i heard somewhere that you could use your truck axle as a bearing press.... like put the wheel on and do the first bearing as usual, then the second bearing get it in as far as possible. put washer on the outside bearing then the nut, then tighten it down all the way so the bearing(s) go right into the wheel straight. then back it off to where you usually ride it. idk if it damages bearings or not but it seems to work pretty good sooooo....
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This is how I have been doing it since the 90s and I don't think I have ever damaged a bearing. I am also using the axle to remove bearings when they are stuck, just push it halfway into the wheel so the thread grabs onto the inside of the bearing and wiggle/pull the wheel at an angle.
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Yes indeed! 

The simple skateboard is often the best work bench for doing or fixing lots of things.

The only difference is I put two bearings onto the axle, face down, press the wheel down on the first and spin to make sure it is centered, turn the wheel over and push it down on the second, spin and if good, then put the nut straight on.

Super easy.

Note I put both axle washers on the inside, most of the time even a third, just to get the wheels out a little bit more and the nut is flush with the end of the axle.
yeah man good to hear i haven’t been doing it wrong all along... kinda thought the getting the first bearing in reasonably straight was a given lmao. in terms of spitfire i’ve got some spitfire radial 55mm 99a possibly coming my way that i’m theoretically saving for christmas time, i got a pair of 56mm conical full 101a down to 49 or so mm across all wheels, at which point they were too small for my crusty streets so i threw on some lock-ins i had from a couple of summers ago to get me by.. so far so good. i haven’t skated transition with them yet but i think they should lock in like a conical full? maybe not, i’m not sure
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 17, 2020, 05:18:20 AM


lock-ins i had from a couple of summers ago to get me by.. so far so good. i haven’t skated transition with them yet but i think they should lock in like a conical full? maybe not, i’m not sure

spitfire radial 55mm 99a  = excellent choice!

Radials, lock ins and conical full all have a more squared edge, so will feel much the same on transition (for the tiny part of the wheel that actually touches coping).

Classic variations are the only one with a really rounded edge and I find them easier to get on and off coping, but other people I know say they slip out on classics, so if you are used to the squared edge, the ones you said will most likely work best.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on November 17, 2020, 02:07:52 PM
F4 97'S feel super good, not at all like a cruiser wheel but with just a little bit of give on crusty spots, still a little bark when you slide, still have my tailslides, blunt slides etc.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on November 17, 2020, 07:48:16 PM
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lock-ins i had from a couple of summers ago to get me by.. so far so good. i haven’t skated transition with them yet but i think they should lock in like a conical full? maybe not, i’m not sure
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spitfire radial 55mm 99a  = excellent choice!

Radials, lock ins and conical full all have a more squared edge, so will feel much the same on transition (for the tiny part of the wheel that actually touches coping).

Classic variations are the only one with a really rounded edge and I find them easier to get on and off coping, but other people I know say they slip out on classics, so if you are used to the squared edge, the ones you said will most likely work best.

Radials are the best. My favorite shape, lots of grip, rounded enough to tailslide and crook, but square enough to lock in. Shape looks great too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on November 18, 2020, 05:31:29 PM
Is the 97a new? I recall 99a and 101a, of course, but suddenly I am seeing 97a around. Did Spitfire realize that America's infrastructure is crumbling and skaters need a softer wheel?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on November 18, 2020, 06:58:25 PM
Is the 97a new? I recall 99a and 101a, of course, but suddenly I am seeing 97a around. Did Spitfire realize that America's infrastructure is crumbling and skaters need a softer wheel?
Yes the 97a are new for this new drop. only in classic shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slutonparade on November 18, 2020, 07:58:17 PM
thanks for posting that, want 52's BAAAAAAD

Tactics has them "coming soon"
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: imuseless on November 19, 2020, 12:34:54 AM
OG Classics 55mm is going to be my next wheels.  8)

I lied, got 55mm Skate Like a Girl Radials from local.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2020, 06:34:38 AM
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thanks for posting that, want 52's BAAAAAAD
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Tactics has them "coming soon"

They are just the normal OG Classics, not the Formula Four classics though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 19, 2020, 06:38:07 AM
Anymore reports on the 97s?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2020, 06:38:29 AM
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OG Classics 55mm is going to be my next wheels.  8)
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I lied, got 55mm Skate Like a Girl Radials from local.

Just my preference but I like Classics better when they have worn down and widened out on the surface area, pretty much how radials are from the second you put them on, so good choice!!!

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on November 19, 2020, 07:12:14 AM
Anymore reports on the 97s?
The perfect wheel doesn’t ex...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Croquet temper on November 19, 2020, 08:40:04 AM
I'm riding some 53mm "Mike Anderson Edition" non-f4 Spitfires and they seem fairly wide, like maybe a conical or conical full. My next set of wheels in waiting are F4 53mm classics, which are much more narrow. Does anyone think the narrow classic shape sucks on rough ground or is it not a huge deal?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 19, 2020, 08:41:37 AM
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Anymore reports on the 97s?
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The perfect wheel doesn’t ex...

Heavy claim! I wasn't going to go down to the skate shop to get some but now I just might...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on November 19, 2020, 12:31:05 PM
Looks like 97's are hitting more shops

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHyPnIgFum6/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 19, 2020, 12:42:21 PM
So if I like the feel of Bones SPF 84B are the F4 97A for me?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on November 19, 2020, 12:45:02 PM
So if I like the feel of Bones SPF 84B are the F4 97A for me?
I would guess you want 101s. 84B is harder than the A-scale will accurately measure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: slutonparade on November 19, 2020, 12:58:28 PM
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thanks for posting that, want 52's BAAAAAAD
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Tactics has them "coming soon"
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They are just the normal OG Classics, not the Formula Four classics though.

You're right!  My bad.  Cowtown has 55mm and 60mm F4 OG Classics and 54mm F4 97 Classics for those who're looking
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 19, 2020, 01:38:40 PM
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So if I like the feel of Bones SPF 84B are the F4 97A for me?
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I would guess you want 101s. 84B is harder than the A-scale will accurately measure.

Thanks! It’s weird, I have skated 101A before and the SPF 84B definitely have more grip. I thought these formulas are just marketing wash but maybe there is something to it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2020, 02:05:05 PM
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So if I like the feel of Bones SPF 84B are the F4 97A for me?
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I would guess you want 101s. 84B is harder than the A-scale will accurately measure.
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Thanks! It’s weird, I have skated 101A before and the SPF 84B definitely have more grip. I thought these formulas are just marketing wash but maybe there is something to it.

The different brands, especially Bones and Spitfire are like apples and oranges, both are very unique in their own in house manufacturing and trade secrets, etc.  They will feel so very different to each other, both have pros and cons, but the most common belief is the B scale is 20 points lower than the A scale, even though it is not an accurate measure, so 84B is supposed to be 104A. Bones park formula SPF does feel pretty grippy once they wear down, but I have had some Spitfire F4 101s that felt more slippery when new than anything, then felt more grippy than anything once worn down, so it is a hard measure.

The amount of surface contact has a lot to do with that too.  More surface contact, more grip / less slip.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on November 19, 2020, 02:13:05 PM
More surface contact, more grip.
More surface contact doesn't mean more grip.

The force due to friction is generally independent of the contact area between the two surfaces.

Weight/Mass is what causes grip/friction.

https://www.dummies.com/education/science/physics/how-surface-area-affects-the-force-of-friction/ (https://www.dummies.com/education/science/physics/how-surface-area-affects-the-force-of-friction/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2020, 02:31:24 PM
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More surface contact, more grip.
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The force due to friction is generally independent of the contact area between the two surfaces.

Weight/Mass is what causes grip/friction.

https://www.dummies.com/education/science/physics/how-surface-area-affects-the-force-of-friction/ (https://www.dummies.com/education/science/physics/how-surface-area-affects-the-force-of-friction/)

Yes indeed, so should change it to less slip?

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(I know it might sound weird, but often having discussions with "science and physics" people doesn't equate to what you or I experience when actually riding a skateboard, so from my own personal perspective of skating and riding many different shapes of wheels / setting up boards and skating for a lifetime, this is how I feel.)

(For me) Thinner surface area wheels slip out much more easily than wide surface wheels, which is why I enjoy wide surface area wheels.

Others might not really know about it though.  :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2020, 02:35:05 PM
I'm riding some 53mm "Mike Anderson Edition" non-f4 Spitfires and they seem fairly wide, like maybe a conical or conical full. My next set of wheels in waiting are F4 53mm classics, which are much more narrow. Does anyone think the narrow classic shape sucks on rough ground or is it not a huge deal?

The original formula SFW shape is even wider than the Formula Four conical full, so you are going from original super wide to F4 very thin, which is going to feel different, but maybe not bad, depending on what you ride and how you skate.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: John Kreese on November 19, 2020, 03:14:33 PM
The 97s feel like 99 Formula Fours just smoother. They slide when you want them to, easily and they feel good. Similar to a Bones SPF just better, not as grippy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2020, 04:29:19 PM
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thanks for posting that, want 52's BAAAAAAD
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Tactics has them "coming soon"
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They are just the normal OG Classics, not the Formula Four classics though.
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You're right!  My bad.  Cowtown has 55mm and 60mm F4 OG Classics and 54mm F4 97 Classics for those who're looking

They are definitely on the way though!

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHvoVbqFx19/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 20, 2020, 04:23:23 AM
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I'm riding some 53mm "Mike Anderson Edition" non-f4 Spitfires and they seem fairly wide, like maybe a conical or conical full. My next set of wheels in waiting are F4 53mm classics, which are much more narrow. Does anyone think the narrow classic shape sucks on rough ground or is it not a huge deal?
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The original formula SFW shape is even wider than the Formula Four conical full, so you are going from original super wide to F4 very thin, which is going to feel different, but maybe not bad, depending on what you ride and how you skate.

Love my SFWs. Just got conical Fulls and I think I like the sfw better. I think the f4 og classic will be the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 20, 2020, 02:17:34 PM
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I'm riding some 53mm "Mike Anderson Edition" non-f4 Spitfires and they seem fairly wide, like maybe a conical or conical full. My next set of wheels in waiting are F4 53mm classics, which are much more narrow. Does anyone think the narrow classic shape sucks on rough ground or is it not a huge deal?
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The original formula SFW shape is even wider than the Formula Four conical full, so you are going from original super wide to F4 very thin, which is going to feel different, but maybe not bad, depending on what you ride and how you skate.
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Love my SFWs. Just got conical Fulls and I think I like the sfw better. I think the f4 og classic will be the best of both worlds.

It is interesting the OG Classics although squared in shape are quite thinner overall, which is not a bad thing but a bit funny when lined up beside the others.  I know it is no comparison, but OG is about as wide as the Lock Ins (left), so when you look at the SFW (middle) compared to Conical Full (right) they are the thinnest wheels in that group.

I think the pic is too small and I forgot those lock ins were bigger in diameter so wider as well, but dimensions for 54mm:

OG 32.5
CF  34
SFW  34.5


https://www.instagram.com/p/CD4zB1BlGqM/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Big Baby Jesus on November 21, 2020, 03:59:07 AM
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I'm riding some 53mm "Mike Anderson Edition" non-f4 Spitfires and they seem fairly wide, like maybe a conical or conical full. My next set of wheels in waiting are F4 53mm classics, which are much more narrow. Does anyone think the narrow classic shape sucks on rough ground or is it not a huge deal?
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The original formula SFW shape is even wider than the Formula Four conical full, so you are going from original super wide to F4 very thin, which is going to feel different, but maybe not bad, depending on what you ride and how you skate.
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Love my SFWs. Just got conical Fulls and I think I like the sfw better. I think the f4 og classic will be the best of both worlds.
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It is interesting the OG Classics although squared in shape are quite thinner overall, which is not a bad thing but a bit funny when lined up beside the others.  I know it is no comparison, but OG is about as wide as the Lock Ins (left), so when you look at the SFW (middle) compared to Conical Full (right) they are the thinnest wheels in that group.

I think the pic is too small and I forgot those lock ins were bigger in diameter so wider as well, but dimensions for 54mm:

OG 32.5
CF  34
SFW  34.5


https://www.instagram.com/p/CD4zB1BlGqM/

Crazy... They look so wide in pictures but I've never seen them in hand. Will probably just go back to 52-53 SFWs. For this Baltimore crust they have been perfect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on November 21, 2020, 07:43:58 AM
For anyone looking we have some 97s in 54/56 classic shape and a decent selection of other formula fours. Ship pretty quickly tues-Saturday and try to make single item shipping as inexpensive as possible(under 1 pound goes first class so $3-4)
 http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire.htm (http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire.htm)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on November 21, 2020, 10:02:44 AM
So I’ve finally gotten around to skating the 97s on transition, and they are exactly what I was looking for. They grip walls really well and don’t unexpectedly slide out on you like how the 99s and 101s sometimes do. They also retain speed pretty good, although just a tad bit less than the 99s and 101s, again it’s not a dramatic difference in speed, but a noticeable difference in grip. My local parks surface is pretty well maintained and no graffiti , but I expect these to ride especially well in parks where there’s a lot of paint and weathered surfaces.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: franquietits on November 22, 2020, 01:51:16 AM
Jeezuz, just shelled out $46 w/tax for F4 classics, while my past F4 lock-ins were about $33...

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/48/a6/3f/48a63fcabb049d49aa5d9f6fae6e49f7.gif)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: anon on November 22, 2020, 06:55:42 PM
what are the pros and cons of the og classic shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on November 22, 2020, 07:44:40 PM
what are the pros and cons of the og classic shape?
If you want a wide contact patch on a wheel below 54mm, the OG classic is spitfires widest offering (after 54, conical full is wider).  (They're also good options if you want something like the conical full in the OG formula).

cons I guess would be they're wide and heavy
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 22, 2020, 09:21:07 PM
OG Classic shape is not that wide and not that heavy really.

The very squared off edge with a medium width and wide surface area is good if you want that sort of thing, with the cutaway side to reduce weight as well.

If you cut the sides off a conical full that would be almost the exact outside riding shape, or you could say a squared edge design that is almost a fat cut away tablet wheel or a cut away double sided lock in, if that makes any sense.

They also come in original formula and Formula Four, so you have the two options there.

If you compare 54mm wheels in all options, the OG Classics:

* have the widest surface contact 22mm, bar Conical Full same at 22 and Lock ins at 22.5mm

* are 32.5 wide, so really only the Radial Slim and Tablet being thinner, and Conical just scraping in at 32.2 wide, with all others being wider by a mm or two.

All round they could be the best overall size and shape for people who want that sort of thing, but you do have lots of options now, especially once production ramps up and they do make more sizes in everything again.

Currently the 55mm version of the F4 and the 52mm version of the classic urethane are widely available that I have seen, with some places hinting at the F4 52mm is coming soon.

I reposted the Spitfire card that someone else had put up a few pages back, that has all the current specs, including Classic, OG Classic, Lock Ins, Tablets, Radial Slim, Radial, Conical and Conical Full.

When opened it does show all the specs clearly for me, but might be too small to see on other screens.


(https://i.ibb.co/RvGR9tc/Spitfire-F4-2020-info-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RvGR9tc)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on November 24, 2020, 08:33:47 AM
Why is there a can of WD-40?! Keep that away from your bearings.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 24, 2020, 02:02:17 PM
Why is there a can of WD-40?! Keep that away from your bearings.

As much as Bones bearings info sheets specifically say "Do not use WD40" it is an integral part of bearing cleaning and maintenance.

It is how I have kept my own Bones swiss and every other brand of bearings in between running very nicely for a long long time, including completely seized up bearings that people have been ready to throw out, but the main thing to remember is it is not the only thing to use, eg use WD40 to get the mess out of the bearings, then when clean and dry use bearing lube / machine oil to keep them rolling.

It also helps with oh so many other things in the shop too.  You might be surprised.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jimgrude on November 24, 2020, 09:13:22 PM
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Why is there a can of WD-40?! Keep that away from your bearings.
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As much as Bones bearings info sheets specifically say "Do not use WD40" it is an integral part of bearing cleaning and maintenance.

It is how I have kept my own Bones swiss and every other brand of bearings in between running very nicely for a long long time, including completely seized up bearings that people have been ready to throw out, but the main thing to remember is it is not the only thing to use, eg use WD40 to get the mess out of the bearings, then when clean and dry use bearing lube / machine oil to keep them rolling.

It also helps with oh so many other things in the shop too.  You might be surprised.

Exactly. The mistake people make is that they use WD-40 as a lubricant. It's a degreaser, so you use it to remove the dirty oil, then get your bearings completely spotless before adding fresh bearing oil.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on November 24, 2020, 09:32:01 PM
But it does erode and wear away the plastic crowns that most bearing manufacturers use, that’s why they recommend a citrus cleaner instead.
Not immediately but it does do damage. That’s why no bearing brands suggest using it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cellular on November 24, 2020, 09:57:50 PM
But it does erode and wear away the plastic crowns that most bearing manufacturers use, that’s why they recommend a citrus cleaner instead.
Not immediately but it does do damage. That’s why no bearing brands suggest using it.

any brand reccomendations?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: quesly on November 24, 2020, 10:54:06 PM
But it does erode and wear away the plastic crowns that most bearing manufacturers use, that’s why they recommend a citrus cleaner instead.
Not immediately but it does do damage. That’s why no bearing brands suggest using it.
according to bones' website(https://bonesbearings.com/support/cleaner/) citrus cleaners can leave residue so you need to be careful, what I've always heard is acetone or >90% alcohol.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on November 25, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
Walked into the shop today 100% convinced I was going to buy some 55mm F4 OG classics and ended up leaving with 54mm F4 97s. I prefer a square-edged wheel but the curiosity was just too much for me to handle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on November 25, 2020, 12:51:58 PM
still holding out strong for the 52mm F4 OG classics in 101a, whenever that is.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 25, 2020, 05:34:24 PM
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But it does erode and wear away the plastic crowns that most bearing manufacturers use, that’s why they recommend a citrus cleaner instead.
Not immediately but it does do damage. That’s why no bearing brands suggest using it.
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according to bones' website(https://bonesbearings.com/support/cleaner/) citrus cleaners can leave residue so you need to be careful, what I've always heard is acetone or >90% alcohol.


any brand reccomendations?

I guess it comes down to how user friendly you need to make it, as alcohol, solvents and chemicals don't really mix in some situations, which is why WD40 is a very easy and simple fix in a small closed in location, or when kids are around.

Bones swiss and other bearings I have are still going 10+ years and no issues with crowns wearing, so make of it what you will, but it is not like they get sprayed much, it is more just a very simple and quick solution to rusted / seized or otherwise not clean free spinning bearings.

Given this is the Spitfire Formula Four thread, not a bearing thread, anything more on this should be here, I would think:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=99391.0

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hanna Schygulla on November 26, 2020, 11:19:47 PM
Does anybody know of anywhere, or anyone, who has F4 99a Conical Fulls in 58mm? If not, do any of you shop/industry dudes have any insight as to when they're supposed to be stocked again? For what it's worth, I would also go 60mm if anyone's got those, in the previously stated specs. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 27, 2020, 04:49:11 PM
Does anybody know of anywhere, or anyone, who has F4 99a Conical Fulls in 58mm? If not, do any of you shop/industry dudes have any insight as to when they're supposed to be stocked again? For what it's worth, I would also go 60mm if anyone's got those, in the previously stated specs. Thanks in advance.

A lot of people have been asking about them, but I think the best way is to email DLX directly and see, or from their website, that top right HIT US UP box is where it is at.

https://www.dlxsf.com/

There have been conical full 56mm in small quantities which are the closest / next best thing, but I know it is not quite what you are after.

I would be curious to hear the answer too.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on November 28, 2020, 05:27:53 AM
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Does anybody know of anywhere, or anyone, who has F4 99a Conical Fulls in 58mm? If not, do any of you shop/industry dudes have any insight as to when they're supposed to be stocked again? For what it's worth, I would also go 60mm if anyone's got those, in the previously stated specs. Thanks in advance.
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A lot of people have been asking about them, but I think the best way is to email DLX directly and see, or from their website, that top right HIT US UP box is where it is at.

https://www.dlxsf.com/

There have been conical full 56mm in small quantities which are the closest / next best thing, but I know it is not quite what you are after.

I would be curious to hear the answer too.
58mm available as of 8:27am EST on 11/28, I'll DM it to you too just in case you have notifications on

https://geometricskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-f4-conical-full-52mm-53mm-56mm-99a?variant=32847210971190

(https://i.imgur.com/mMGXwupl.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 28, 2020, 07:46:14 AM
Anyone know of anywhere in Europe that has 97as?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: peterpenis on November 28, 2020, 08:05:54 AM
Anyone know of anywhere in Europe that has 97as?

My local had some, so u might get lucky at your local. If not skatedeluxe has them in 56 and 54 mm:
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/spitfire-formula-four-classics-wheels-white-blue-56mm-97a-4-pack_p140382

The prices for f4 in europe are fucked though. 60 bucks for wheels... Unfortunately I don't know if i can ever go back from f4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hanna Schygulla on November 28, 2020, 09:15:43 AM
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Does anybody know of anywhere, or anyone, who has F4 99a Conical Fulls in 58mm? If not, do any of you shop/industry dudes have any insight as to when they're supposed to be stocked again? For what it's worth, I would also go 60mm if anyone's got those, in the previously stated specs. Thanks in advance.
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A lot of people have been asking about them, but I think the best way is to email DLX directly and see, or from their website, that top right HIT US UP box is where it is at.

https://www.dlxsf.com/

There have been conical full 56mm in small quantities which are the closest / next best thing, but I know it is not quite what you are after.

I would be curious to hear the answer too.
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58mm available as of 8:27am EST on 11/28, I'll DM it to you too just in case you have notifications on

https://geometricskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-f4-conical-full-52mm-53mm-56mm-99a?variant=32847210971190

(https://i.imgur.com/mMGXwupl.jpg)
Hey man, thanks very much for making that effort for me –– I did buy them, and now it shows that they're sold out; let's hope that the shop as a whole and/or their online inventory was legitimate. Thanks again...it's little things like this that can actually make the idea of a "skate community" a tangible thing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on November 28, 2020, 09:25:10 AM
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Anyone know of anywhere in Europe that has 97as?
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My local had some, so u might get lucky at your local. If not skatedeluxe has them in 56 and 54 mm:
https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/spitfire-formula-four-classics-wheels-white-blue-56mm-97a-4-pack_p140382

The prices for f4 in europe are fucked though. 60 bucks for wheels... Unfortunately I don't know if i can ever go back from f4

Amazing thanks man
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on November 28, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
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Does anybody know of anywhere, or anyone, who has F4 99a Conical Fulls in 58mm? If not, do any of you shop/industry dudes have any insight as to when they're supposed to be stocked again? For what it's worth, I would also go 60mm if anyone's got those, in the previously stated specs. Thanks in advance.
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A lot of people have been asking about them, but I think the best way is to email DLX directly and see, or from their website, that top right HIT US UP box is where it is at.

https://www.dlxsf.com/

There have been conical full 56mm in small quantities which are the closest / next best thing, but I know it is not quite what you are after.

I would be curious to hear the answer too.
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58mm available as of 8:27am EST on 11/28, I'll DM it to you too just in case you have notifications on

https://geometricskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-f4-conical-full-52mm-53mm-56mm-99a?variant=32847210971190

(https://i.imgur.com/mMGXwupl.jpg)
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Hey man, thanks very much for making that effort for me –– I did buy them, and now it shows that they're sold out; let's hope that the shop as a whole and/or their online inventory was legitimate. Thanks again...it's little things like this that can actually make the idea of a "skate community" a tangible thing.

My secret is parade world. If you find what you’re looking for add it to your cart. In the cart it tells you which shop is fulfilling the order. From my experiences the shops are legit and I’ve never had anything fall through. Hope it works out for you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: radcunt on November 28, 2020, 04:18:31 PM
Walked into the shop today 100% convinced I was going to buy some 55mm F4 OG classics and ended up leaving with 54mm F4 97s. I prefer a square-edged wheel but the curiosity was just too much for me to handle.

Yo let us know how they go bro
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on November 29, 2020, 09:40:02 PM
the OG Classic and Conical Full are so close what is the point of both?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 29, 2020, 10:20:58 PM
the OG Classic and Conical Full are so close what is the point of both?

It does seem a bit redundant to have so many options of wheels, some of which are very similar, but DLX have always been quick to listen and act on some things, so when the interest is more in the wider riding surface squared off wheel, they have brought back the one that worked from the get go, hence the name OG Classic, but having such a big following, they were not about to drop the Conical Full shape from the range either.

Conical Full shape is still wider and more angled on the edge than the OG Classic, which is thinner and very squared off.

That is about the quickest explanation for it.

The difference is much more noticeable when they are sitting side by side too.

I was surprised they are that thin when I got them in the shop and compared them to all the others, but people I know who did buy them liked them a lot.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kevve on November 30, 2020, 03:20:19 PM
Thinking about switching from conical fulls to something slimmer next set as I ride more park now. My wheels are at their widest point right now and grips way to much on concrete.

Cant find radial slims which seems like a good in between shape, only classics and fulls avalible.

How are the classics for park skating? And how are they riding on decent asphalt?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 30, 2020, 03:33:09 PM
Thinking about switching from conical fulls to something slimmer next set as I ride more park now. My wheels are at their widest point right now and grips way to much on concrete.

Cant find radial slims which seems like a good in between shape, only classics and fulls avalible.

How are the classics for park skating? And how are they riding on decent asphalt?

Classics have a very minimal contact patch when new, then widen out as they get worn down. 

To me they still ride just as well on anything, but depending on how fast you are going, or how rough the surface is, you might agree or disagree.

Also the 99 vs 101 debate is also valid - depending on what you prefer in hardness too.

Any new wheel is usually going to feel better than any old worn down wheel though.


If they are still a reasonable size, but just too wide for your liking, I have used an angle grinder to take the sides down to make a thinner wheel in the past, which worked well, but if you are not sure what you are doing, it could be a bad move.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0CfVwoFjEp/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kevve on December 03, 2020, 07:23:01 AM
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Thinking about switching from conical fulls to something slimmer next set as I ride more park now. My wheels are at their widest point right now and grips way to much on concrete.

Cant find radial slims which seems like a good in between shape, only classics and fulls avalible.

How are the classics for park skating? And how are they riding on decent asphalt?
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Classics have a very minimal contact patch when new, then widen out as they get worn down. 

To me they still ride just as well on anything, but depending on how fast you are going, or how rough the surface is, you might agree or disagree.

Also the 99 vs 101 debate is also valid - depending on what you prefer in hardness too.

Any new wheel is usually going to feel better than any old worn down wheel though.


If they are still a reasonable size, but just too wide for your liking, I have used an angle grinder to take the sides down to make a thinner wheel in the past, which worked well, but if you are not sure what you are doing, it could be a bad move.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0CfVwoFjEp/


That's impressive, have to try that some day if i ever find myself with a angle grinder.

Thanks for the input, I'll get a pair in the future when my conicals are done.

99a is perfect to me, I dont see a reason to go 101.

I've found 53mm & 55mm classics in stock, anyone prefer one over the other when paired with 144 trucks? Have 3 spacers on the inside so maybe theyre more like 149ish.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on December 03, 2020, 07:46:34 AM
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Thinking about switching from conical fulls to something slimmer next set as I ride more park now. My wheels are at their widest point right now and grips way to much on concrete.

Cant find radial slims which seems like a good in between shape, only classics and fulls avalible.

How are the classics for park skating? And how are they riding on decent asphalt?
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Classics have a very minimal contact patch when new, then widen out as they get worn down. 

To me they still ride just as well on anything, but depending on how fast you are going, or how rough the surface is, you might agree or disagree.

Also the 99 vs 101 debate is also valid - depending on what you prefer in hardness too.

Any new wheel is usually going to feel better than any old worn down wheel though.


If they are still a reasonable size, but just too wide for your liking, I have used an angle grinder to take the sides down to make a thinner wheel in the past, which worked well, but if you are not sure what you are doing, it could be a bad move.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B0CfVwoFjEp/
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That's impressive, have to try that some day if i ever find myself with a angle grinder.

Thanks for the input, I'll get a pair in the future when my conicals are done.

99a is perfect to me, I dont see a reason to go 101.

I've found 53mm & 55mm classics in stock, anyone prefer one over the other when paired with 144 trucks? Have 3 spacers on the inside so maybe theyre more like 149ish.

I would personally go with 55 myself, but 53 would also work. Currently on 54 classics, and before that I was on 56 conical full, so 55 would be right in the middle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: l1ll1ll1 on December 03, 2020, 08:57:11 AM
Thinking about switching from conical fulls to something slimmer next set as I ride more park now. My wheels are at their widest point right now and grips way to much on concrete.

Cant find radial slims which seems like a good in between shape, only classics and fulls avalible.

How are the classics for park skating? And how are they riding on decent asphalt?

For the concrete park: 52 conicals 101 (just conicals, not fulls) are great for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 03, 2020, 05:37:39 PM

I've found 53mm & 55mm classics in stock, anyone prefer one over the other when paired with 144 trucks? Have 3 spacers on the inside so maybe theyre more like 149ish.

A little bigger will last longer, but might feel a bit funny or too big when you first get them, but they are also a bit wider, which depending on your preference, will also mean they end up more like conical full when they wear down some too.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 05, 2020, 02:48:00 AM
This delivery looks to have Formula Four OG Classics in 58 and 60 that I can see, so there are probably more coming for those who like the bigger wheels.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CIY-I5yFnRp/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on December 05, 2020, 11:03:58 AM
Would anyone be interested in trading any used 99a for my 101a Tablets? Still got lots of life left (~52mm). Probably spent a month or so on em before I realized I identify as 99a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 11, 2020, 11:20:16 PM
Anyone else had trouble finding Chargers lately? My go-to's on my big boy for cruising are the 80HD 54mm and I've been striking out on them over the past month or two

I am sure I saw some recently in a shop post, but I do follow a lot of shops so not sure I can recall where it was.

Also copied to the Spitfire Formula Four thread, just in case someone had seen some and can also post where.

Parade World has heaps, so just add to cart and then see where else they have them in stock.

https://www.paradeworld.com/search/?query=spitfire%20chargers

In Canada, Tiki Room has heaps of chargers, so check with your local as they might have some now too.

https://tikiroomskateboards.com/collections/spitfire
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 12, 2020, 12:42:55 AM
thanks for posting that, want 52's BAAAAAAD

Formula Four OG Classic green swirl 52mm are in...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIgxGMqBNmH/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 12, 2020, 12:48:07 AM
And here if you are in Canada

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIT5l8jHE0J/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Croquet temper on December 12, 2020, 05:40:23 PM
I just got some of the Cardiel F4 Deep Tabs in 53. New shape I hadn't heard of yet on CCS, impulse buy.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 12, 2020, 08:07:31 PM
I just got some of the Cardiel F4 Deep Tabs in 53. New shape I hadn't heard of yet on CCS, impulse buy.

Deep cuts are the graphic name, tablet is the shape, which has been around for a while but a good wheel all the same!!!

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall20/sf-2020-d4-dt-02.jpg

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 13, 2020, 01:07:01 AM
Can anyone reiterate on which F4 I should try coming from Bones SPF 84B? Someone said I should go with 101A but I am worried they’ll be too slippery in the smooth concrete bowl I am skating a lot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 13, 2020, 01:37:49 AM
Can anyone reiterate on which F4 I should try coming from Bones SPF 84B? Someone said I should go with 101A but I am worried they’ll be too slippery in the smooth concrete bowl I am skating a lot.

They are such different formulas of wheels, but smooth concrete is less likely going to be slippery on 99s, but some others say 101 might be a bit more like SPF wheels in general.  I just skated some new 60mm SPF wheels on someone's board on the ramp the other day and thought they felt more grippy than I remember, but I am much more of a Formula Four 99 duro guy, the right amount of stick and slide for me anyway.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 13, 2020, 01:48:43 AM
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Can anyone reiterate on which F4 I should try coming from Bones SPF 84B? Someone said I should go with 101A but I am worried they’ll be too slippery in the smooth concrete bowl I am skating a lot.
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They are such different formulas of wheels, but smooth concrete is less likely going to be slippery on 99s, but some others say 101 might be a bit more like SPF wheels in general.  I just skated some new 60mm SPF wheels on someone's board on the ramp the other day and thought they felt more grippy than I remember, but I am much more of a Formula Four 99 duro guy, the right amount of stick and slide for me anyway.

Thanks, I'll give the 99A ones a shot!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Croquet temper on December 13, 2020, 03:14:35 AM
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I just got some of the Cardiel F4 Deep Tabs in 53. New shape I hadn't heard of yet on CCS, impulse buy.
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Deep cuts are the graphic name, tablet is the shape, which has been around for a while but a good wheel all the same!!!

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall20/sf-2020-d4-dt-02.jpg

I knew I couldn't go wrong.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on December 15, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CI0-Bh4Fx1H/?igshid=15vahgvlhn2v1
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Freelancevagrant on December 15, 2020, 11:45:11 AM
Can anyone reiterate on which F4 I should try coming from Bones SPF 84B? Someone said I should go with 101A but I am worried they’ll be too slippery in the smooth concrete bowl I am skating a lot.

99a is my go to. 101’s are just too slick for me when I skate transition, but that’s just me.

Personally, I’d say go for 99a conical fulls.
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Post by: Surf The Earth on December 15, 2020, 01:58:33 PM
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99a is my go to. 101’s are just too slick for me when I skate transition, but that’s just me.

Personally, I’d say go for 99a conical fulls.

I pretty much only skate transition and 99du at a smooth skatepark is a dream! conical full or the og classic now that its f4, would both be we the way to go. I prefer Conical Full
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 15, 2020, 02:46:42 PM

The second pic - streamlined (pricepoint looking) tablets too, very interesting!!!

I prefer that graphic over most of the other ones anyway, simple and the inner circle area with the info doesn't really get worn too.

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Post by: jay_nev on December 15, 2020, 05:03:41 PM
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The second pic - streamlined (pricepoint looking) tablets too, very interesting!!!

I prefer that graphic over most of the other ones anyway, simple and the inner circle area with the info doesn't really get worn too.


yeah thought that was interesting. kind of look like those price point joints
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Post by: fulfillthedream on December 16, 2020, 12:35:33 AM
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The second pic - streamlined (pricepoint looking) tablets too, very interesting!!!

I prefer that graphic over most of the other ones anyway, simple and the inner circle area with the info doesn't really get worn too.


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yeah thought that was interesting. kind of look like those price point joints

damn those do look fresh... hahah  i gotta fresh set of classics im tempted to try to remove the graphic
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 16, 2020, 01:45:47 AM
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Can anyone reiterate on which F4 I should try coming from Bones SPF 84B? Someone said I should go with 101A but I am worried they’ll be too slippery in the smooth concrete bowl I am skating a lot.
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99a is my go to. 101’s are just too slick for me when I skate transition, but that’s just me.

Personally, I’d say go for 99a conical fulls.
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I pretty much only skate transition and 99du at a smooth skatepark is a dream! conical full or the og classic now that its f4, would both be we the way to go. I prefer Conical Full

Cool, thanks to both of you. Now fully set on trying these, will be interesting how they perform skating street as well.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 16, 2020, 05:19:26 AM
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The second pic - streamlined (pricepoint looking) tablets too, very interesting!!!

I prefer that graphic over most of the other ones anyway, simple and the inner circle area with the info doesn't really get worn too.


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yeah thought that was interesting. kind of look like those price point joints
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damn those do look fresh... hahah  i gotta fresh set of classics im tempted to try to remove the graphic

Super easy if you own an angle grinder.  Put the complete on its back or side, start the grinder and gently use the flat part of the blade on the wheel, so the wheel and the blade spin, which in turn takes off the graphic in about two seconds, each wheel, down to whatever part you want.

The other option is have the graphic out on the complete, hold the board by the rail edge and drag one side with both the wheels on an angle over medium concrete, making the wheels turn but scraping the graphic on the ground, which wears away the outer part of the graphic but leaves the inner part. It takes longer, but you don't need anything besides your board and concrete.

I have done this many times and both will work easily enough.


It makes this:

(https://i.ibb.co/NLxSPrf/spitfire-formula-four-99d-classic-55mm-skateboard-wheel.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NLxSPrf)

Look like this:

(https://i.ibb.co/MnsgfnN/Spitfire-Andrew-Allen-wheel.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MnsgfnN)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 16, 2020, 05:43:55 AM
I always liked the small ring graphic on the inside of the lock ins more than the outside graphic too, but that is just me and I wouldn't ride them the other way round, even though people have set them up that way and it works well enough.

(https://i.ibb.co/9NMV3Ln/staples-lockins.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9NMV3Ln)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on December 16, 2020, 09:00:15 AM
Can anyone reiterate on which F4 I should try coming from Bones SPF 84B? Someone said I should go with 101A but I am worried they’ll be too slippery in the smooth concrete bowl I am skating a lot.

84b SPFs are my favorite park wheel, but I don’t like 99a or 101a F4s at the park because they slip out easy. The 97A F4s are fantastic and they grip at the park similarly to the SPFs and still speedy. I’d try out the 97s if I was you
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Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 16, 2020, 01:40:31 PM
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84b SPFs are my favorite park wheel, but I don’t like 99a or 101a F4s at the park because they slip out easy. The 97A F4s are fantastic and they grip at the park similarly to the SPFs and still speedy. I’d try out the 97s if I was you

Time to reconsider, I guess! Maybe I should just stick to SPFs. Can you still comfortably slide tricks on flat with 97A F4s?
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Post by: Mesteezo on December 16, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
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84b SPFs are my favorite park wheel, but I don’t like 99a or 101a F4s at the park because they slip out easy. The 97A F4s are fantastic and they grip at the park similarly to the SPFs and still speedy. I’d try out the 97s if I was you
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Time to reconsider, I guess! Maybe I should just stick to SPFs. Can you still comfortably slide tricks on flat with 97A F4s?

Yeah the slide is very controllable like they are on the SPFs, gotta put a smidge more effort into them though since they are softer, but it's really not an issue it's still a hard wheel. They bark really nice too.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 16, 2020, 05:35:27 PM
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84b SPFs are my favorite park wheel, but I don’t like 99a or 101a F4s at the park because they slip out easy. The 97A F4s are fantastic and they grip at the park similarly to the SPFs and still speedy. I’d try out the 97s if I was you
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Time to reconsider, I guess! Maybe I should just stick to SPFs. Can you still comfortably slide tricks on flat with 97A F4s?

It would be good if there was someone you knew who had some 99s on a board you could try.  I guess it depends when you skate and if there are many or any others around too, because asking a random how their wheels are can be a bit much, let alone asking for a go on their board.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 16, 2020, 11:23:22 PM
I’d have to put them on my board since my setup is so specific. At that point it’s probably better to just order and try for myself. But this discussion helps to narrow it down. I am tempted to try the 97As since people tell me softer wheels help them deal with the shitty ground we have all over the place here in Berlin.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ilya Oblomov on December 17, 2020, 03:29:11 AM
I’d have to put them on my board since my setup is so specific. At that point it’s probably better to just order and try for myself. But this discussion helps to narrow it down. I am tempted to try the 97As since people tell me softer wheels help them deal with the shitty ground we have all over the place here in Berlin.

What's so specific about your setup?
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Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 17, 2020, 05:03:41 AM
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I’d have to put them on my board since my setup is so specific. At that point it’s probably better to just order and try for myself. But this discussion helps to narrow it down. I am tempted to try the 97As since people tell me softer wheels help them deal with the shitty ground we have all over the place here in Berlin.
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What's so specific about your setup?

I am 6'5'', 233 lbs, US15 feet. My setup reflects this with a 9.8" deck, 169 Indies, hard bushings bolted down. I freak out on the sub 9" decks with loose trucks everyone rides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 17, 2020, 06:54:30 PM
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I’d have to put them on my board since my setup is so specific. At that point it’s probably better to just order and try for myself. But this discussion helps to narrow it down. I am tempted to try the 97As since people tell me softer wheels help them deal with the shitty ground we have all over the place here in Berlin.
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What's so specific about your setup?
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I am 6'5'', 233 lbs, US15 feet. My setup reflects this with a 9.8" deck, 169 Indies, hard bushings bolted down. I freak out on the sub 9" decks with loose trucks everyone rides.

Sounds like a rad ride!!!

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2020, 01:58:52 PM
https://skateparkoftampa.com/product/86263/Spitfire_Natural_Green_OG_Classic_Formula_Four_99a_Wheels/&CID=2001

52mm

SPITFIRE OG CLASSIC FORMULA FOUR 99A WHEELS
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on December 19, 2020, 01:58:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4fhSMJW.jpg?1)

https://www.homeskateshop.com/skate/wheels/spitfire/lil-smokies-tablets-pid-19546



those look cool for the big pants sml wheels dudes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on December 20, 2020, 04:51:52 PM
I'm trying to skate a big slippery indoor wooden bowl and my F4 101s and STF 103As felt like skating on glass. I'm looking at F4 99A Conical, F4 97A Classic and maybe the F1 99A Classic or OG Classic. The F1 is clearly inferior to the F4s, but I'm concerned about the slipperiness of the F4s as even the 99s have shown to be slidey, which I want to avoid completely (while retaining a high durometer for speed). Would the 99A Conical offer better grip than the 97A Classic due to the wider contact patch?
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 20, 2020, 05:32:06 PM
I'm trying to skate a big slippery indoor wooden bowl and my F4 101s and STF 103As felt like skating on glass. I'm looking at F4 99A Conical, F4 97A Classic and maybe the F1 99A Classic or OG Classic. The F1 is clearly inferior to the F4s, but I'm concerned about the slipperiness of the F4s as even the 99s have shown to be slidey, which I want to avoid completely (while retaining a high durometer for speed). Would the 99A Conical offer better grip than the 97A Classic due to the wider contact patch?

I have some wider softer wheels that work much better in slippery wooden ramps / bowls, including older Spitfires they don't make any more, but there are other wheels out there, mainly around 95 duro that make slippery ramps feel the same as my 99s on raw concrete, without losing speed or performance.  I guess it is down to what you are able to get in the area you are in, but even 97s should not be quite as slippery as what you are currently on.

The other side of it is the surface, as most wood surfaces with decent layers of ply or skatelite or similar clean up really well with a bit of spray and wipe, but if it is more the particle board or something that cannot get wet, then you can't really do much about it.  Those things get very dirty and dusty, which is why they feel so slippery, so a bit of cleaning and even hard wheels should feel more normal on the same surface you were slipping out on before the clean.

We did this at a couple of different indoor parks I have worked at / helped with and cleaning the surface made a huge difference to how slippery it was to ride.
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Post by: blueskynoise on December 20, 2020, 05:39:49 PM
I'm trying to skate a big slippery indoor wooden bowl and my F4 101s and STF 103As felt like skating on glass. I'm looking at F4 99A Conical, F4 97A Classic and maybe the F1 99A Classic or OG Classic. The F1 is clearly inferior to the F4s, but I'm concerned about the slipperiness of the F4s as even the 99s have shown to be slidey, which I want to avoid completely (while retaining a high durometer for speed). Would the 99A Conical offer better grip than the 97A Classic due to the wider contact patch?

I love 99A Conical full for concrete parks/street but the 97a classic is my new favorite indoor wheel. Perfect for wooden ramps. I’m running 54s right now but I have 56s on ice for a potential bowl board.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kimura on December 20, 2020, 05:59:35 PM
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I'm trying to skate a big slippery indoor wooden bowl and my F4 101s and STF 103As felt like skating on glass. I'm looking at F4 99A Conical, F4 97A Classic and maybe the F1 99A Classic or OG Classic. The F1 is clearly inferior to the F4s, but I'm concerned about the slipperiness of the F4s as even the 99s have shown to be slidey, which I want to avoid completely (while retaining a high durometer for speed). Would the 99A Conical offer better grip than the 97A Classic due to the wider contact patch?
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I have some wider softer wheels that work much better in slippery wooden ramps / bowls, including older Spitfires they don't make any more, but there are other wheels out there, mainly around 95 duro that make slippery ramps feel the same as my 99s on raw concrete, without losing speed or performance.  I guess it is down to what you are able to get in the area you are in, but even 97s should not be quite as slippery as what you are currently on.

The other side of it is the surface, as most wood surfaces with decent layers of ply or skatelite or similar clean up really well with a bit of spray and wipe, but if it is more the particle board or something that cannot get wet, then you can't really do much about it.  Those things get very dirty and dusty, which is why they feel so slippery, so a bit of cleaning and even hard wheels should feel more normal on the same surface you were slipping out on before the clean.

We did this at a couple of different indoor parks I have worked at / helped with and cleaning the surface made a huge difference to how slippery it was to ride.


I rode my new FF OG Classics 99d 55mm wheels today on wet asphalt and was pleasantly surprised how much grip I had. Obviously not a wooden bowl but figured Id chime in.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Noble Experiment on December 20, 2020, 08:36:19 PM
Set up a new set of F4 54mm 99a’s that I got around August that I’ve just been keeping on hold till now, they still feel great, don’t notice any change in quality at all.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 21, 2020, 02:03:28 AM

I rode my new FF OG Classics 99d 55mm wheels today on wet asphalt and was pleasantly surprised how much grip I had. Obviously not a wooden bowl but figured Id chime in.

It all helps with more perspectives and comments.  They definitely make a difference compared to some other wheels which are like rolling on ice when on other surfaces.
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Post by: flocke on December 23, 2020, 02:26:59 AM
my fav is the „normal“ conical. They are sold out everywhere. Should i go with conical fulls 52mm 99a or classics?
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 23, 2020, 04:47:13 AM
my fav is the „normal“ conical. They are sold out everywhere. Should i go with conical fulls 52mm 99a or classics?

Conical full are 1mm wider than conical in the 52mm, with the contact area being 1.5mm more than conical shape wheels, so you might find conical full to be closer.  Check out the sizes here:

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hiljentaa on December 23, 2020, 03:19:54 PM
Ordered a set of 51mm 99a tablets. Stoked to hear what all the fuss is about, although I probably won't be able to skate outdoors very often soon enough.

Been on a set of 99a 48mm generic Spitfires, I assume their 'og formula'? They are a good wheel but I wish they slid a bit more, so hoping the F4s satisfy that itch.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FakieDisaster on December 23, 2020, 07:15:05 PM
one question, does F4 wheels chips easily? running 2 setups both with F4 classics & conical fulls, seems like they're chipped easily.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 24, 2020, 06:23:07 AM
one question, does F4 wheels chips easily? running 2 setups both with F4 classics & conical fulls, seems like they're chipped easily.

I would say the same as any other wheel in the same circumstances.  There are sharp edges on a few things in one park I know and it doesn't matter what wheel you are riding, they all get eaten alive there. Most of my wheels never have any issues that haven't been as a result of my own skating, eg powerslide on rough bitumen road and get chunks taken out.

If you think there might be a fault, go to the spitfirewheels.com site and fill out the warranty info.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kevve on December 25, 2020, 03:54:27 AM
one question, does F4 wheels chips easily? running 2 setups both with F4 classics & conical fulls, seems like they're chipped easily.

Depends on where u riding I would say. My conicals fulls Chipped when i rode and slid alot on asfalt, but nothing extreme. When I started riding at the park instead they never chipped and got a smooth riding surface again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JugeL on December 26, 2020, 12:30:56 AM
one question, does F4 wheels chips easily? running 2 setups both with F4 classics & conical fulls, seems like they're chipped easily.
That's weird, i mostly skate rough asphalt due to where i live and i don't think my wheels have chipped even once
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 26, 2020, 06:29:47 AM
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one question, does F4 wheels chips easily? running 2 setups both with F4 classics & conical fulls, seems like they're chipped easily.
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That's weird, i mostly skate rough asphalt due to where i live and i don't think my wheels have chipped even once

It could be in the way the wheels are dragged or how they slide over the surface too, or if they are digging into the surface a lot, eg one guy I know loves to do backside kickflips but not land them all the way round, so when he lands 130 and drags the other 50 to make a full 180, he takes chunks out of any wheels fairly regularly, or at least any wheels that are not really rounded like classic shapes, so the conical full get a beating.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on December 27, 2020, 07:29:21 PM
Finally bought a set after years of riding SPF and Speedlab. The hype is real!

I got the 99a OG classics 58mm. They're a little on the fat side but fast as hell. Feels pretty similar to the 81b SPF but the extra width gives them a little more grip
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on December 30, 2020, 12:02:22 PM
has anyone rode their 97a's enough to give a good review or comparison of how they feel comparatively to either 99s or 101s?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hiljentaa on December 30, 2020, 03:39:43 PM
Has anyone heard when Radial Slims will be in production again?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 30, 2020, 06:45:40 PM
Has anyone heard when Radial Slims will be in production again?

Pretty sure I have seen some around, but a lot more people who like that shape are going for the tablets.  They are almost the same, just a mm thinner in 52 and the same width in 53+ with the same or a touch wider contact area.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

Looking back over the thread, I see you got some anyway.  Did you like them or not so keen?




Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 30, 2020, 06:49:10 PM
has anyone rode their 97a's enough to give a good review or comparison of how they feel comparatively to either 99s or 101s?

There have been quite a few people who have made comment, either back a few pages in here, or the wheels thread, but the general consensus is they still slide well and just grip a bit more and are a touch smoother than the 99s and the people who have skated them like them a lot.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on December 30, 2020, 08:07:28 PM
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has anyone rode their 97a's enough to give a good review or comparison of how they feel comparatively to either 99s or 101s?
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Good to hear. Just ordered some. Went 56s, which is way big for me, but the idea is to be able to ride over some stuff. Will report back. If I actually skate.

There have been quite a few people who have made comment, either back a few pages in here, or the wheels thread, but the general consensus is they still slide well and just grip a bit more and are a touch smoother than the 99s and the people who have skated them like them a lot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Croquet temper on January 04, 2021, 07:38:59 AM
So formula 4 99a’s are the most similar to Loophole? I thought I saw somewhere that loopholes were 103a but I guess that’s just their own standard?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on January 04, 2021, 07:56:40 AM
I was in Loophole recently and maybe the 97a? I don’t know the Loophole duro but they were much more grippy than the 99 F4 I’m on now and similar shape too. Not bad but I won’t go back.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on January 04, 2021, 08:55:45 AM
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has anyone rode their 97a's enough to give a good review or comparison of how they feel comparatively to either 99s or 101s?
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There have been quite a few people who have made comment, either back a few pages in here, or the wheels thread, but the general consensus is they still slide well and just grip a bit more and are a touch smoother than the 99s and the people who have skated them like them a lot.

I love mine.

I honestly don't notice much difference from 99a though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on January 05, 2021, 03:25:18 AM
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has anyone rode their 97a's enough to give a good review or comparison of how they feel comparatively to either 99s or 101s?
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There have been quite a few people who have made comment, either back a few pages in here, or the wheels thread, but the general consensus is they still slide well and just grip a bit more and are a touch smoother than the 99s and the people who have skated them like them a lot.

Pretty spot on. Skating a set now. 52mm and feel smoother than 55/56 99’s, tad bouncy but overall great. Still slide great.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on January 05, 2021, 06:49:11 AM
Last couple of posts totally convinced me the F4 97a are exactly what I have been looking for. I had my mind set on Conical Fulls though and the only 97a available in Germany are Classics. How much difference does it really make?
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 05, 2021, 07:18:23 AM
Last couple of posts totally convinced me the F4 97a are exactly what I have been looking for. I had my mind set on Conical Fulls though and the only 97a available in Germany are Classics. How much difference does it really make?

Unless they have more out that I haven't seen, they are only in classics in 54 and 56mm in the 97 duro, so almost the same width as conical full, but a rounder shape down to the riding surface, which is not a worry really and still skate well.  I prefer the conical full when new or the classic shape once they have worn down some, but classics are still an easy wheel to skate, as used by many pro riders and regular skaters.

The shape guide:

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on January 05, 2021, 09:45:21 AM
Thanks, I thought it was just Euro supply lagging behind. I had checked the guide, that’s where I got the idea of trying Conical Fulls from. Starting out with a 7 mm wider riding surface at 56 mm size compared to Classics really appeals to me. I guess I’ll wait and see if they release more soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 07, 2021, 04:37:42 AM
Thanks, I thought it was just Euro supply lagging behind. I had checked the guide, that’s where I got the idea of trying Conical Fulls from. Starting out with a 7 mm wider riding surface at 56 mm size compared to Classics really appeals to me. I guess I’ll wait and see if they release more soon.

I think a lot of people have been wanting or are waiting for the 97 in a wider profile, so who knows if or when that will happen.

From taking the old formula Spitfire wheels to a few decent hills and power sliding for half a day, the wheels would be a whole lot smaller, but these Formula Four wheels just don't wear down anywhere near that, as I found out when I thought I could take some bigger wheels down a few mm, otherwise I would have been keen for the 56 mm classics and gone on a mission to get them down to 52 or so.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on January 11, 2021, 11:04:19 AM
Has anyone heard when Radial Slims will be in production again?

https://theoryskate.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-radial-slims-54mm
https://geometricskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-f4-radial-slim-51mm-101-duro
https://southsideskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/copy-of-spitfire-wheels-f4-tablet-52mm101a
https://southsideskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-f4-classic-silver-54mm101a
https://energyskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-4-venomous-radial-slim-101a-wheels
https://303boards-com.myshopify.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-101-formula-4-venomous-radial-slim-multiple-sizes
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Post by: hiljentaa on January 11, 2021, 11:48:34 AM
@arrbee

Cheers dude. I found most of those while google questing.

I'm specifically looking for 51mm 99a Radial Slims. I can't skate often til spring anyway so I'll keep looking. If not, maybe I'll try the 101s. :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 11, 2021, 06:31:16 PM
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Has anyone heard when Radial Slims will be in production again?
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https://theoryskate.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-radial-slims-54mm
https://geometricskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-f4-radial-slim-51mm-101-duro
https://southsideskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/copy-of-spitfire-wheels-f4-tablet-52mm101a
https://southsideskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-f4-classic-silver-54mm101a
https://energyskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-4-venomous-radial-slim-101a-wheels
https://303boards-com.myshopify.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-101-formula-4-venomous-radial-slim-multiple-sizes

Parade is a good place to search multiple shops at once. Tried ordering the Venomous Radial Slim from Southside and got an email telling me they were out of stock. Drop them a DM to check availability.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: arrbee on January 11, 2021, 07:22:41 PM
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Has anyone heard when Radial Slims will be in production again?
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https://theoryskate.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-radial-slims-54mm
https://geometricskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-f4-radial-slim-51mm-101-duro
https://southsideskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/copy-of-spitfire-wheels-f4-tablet-52mm101a
https://southsideskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-f4-classic-silver-54mm101a
https://energyskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-4-venomous-radial-slim-101a-wheels
https://303boards-com.myshopify.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-101-formula-4-venomous-radial-slim-multiple-sizes
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Parade is a good place to search multiple shops at once. Tried ordering the Venomous Radial Slim from Southside and got an email telling me they were out of stock. Drop them a DM to check availability.

Pulled this list from parade.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: anon on January 11, 2021, 08:30:09 PM
these 99a og classics are feeling grippier than usual for an f4
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 11, 2021, 09:11:25 PM
these 99a og classics are feeling grippier than usual for an f4

You could resell them as 97 duro!

Think of all the people who want wider 97 duro wheels and don't want the classics, currently the only shape that they come in right now.

Just a thought anyway, but more curious than anything else about the new 97 duro as I am yet to see or skate any, but still have plenty of older OG formula in all duro and size options.

I am thinking the bigger / wider seem stickier too. What size are they?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrenchFriedClownFingers on January 11, 2021, 10:00:47 PM
i'm just dropping in to say that this wheel is the most best. still love them and they look so good i'd like to have a house built out of them so i can always see that creamy bone smooth texture. never stop making these
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: anon on January 11, 2021, 10:21:20 PM
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these 99a og classics are feeling grippier than usual for an f4
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You could resell them as 97 duro!

Think of all the people who want wider 97 duro wheels and don't want the classics, currently the only shape that they come in right now.

Just a thought anyway, but more curious than anything else about the new 97 duro as I am yet to see or skate any, but still have plenty of older OG formula in all duro and size options.

I am thinking the bigger / wider seem stickier too. What size are they?
55mm. previously had 55mm tablets, which have half a mm wider riding surface. they slid better!
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 12, 2021, 03:36:00 AM
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these 99a og classics are feeling grippier than usual for an f4
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You could resell them as 97 duro!

Think of all the people who want wider 97 duro wheels and don't want the classics, currently the only shape that they come in right now.

Just a thought anyway, but more curious than anything else about the new 97 duro as I am yet to see or skate any, but still have plenty of older OG formula in all duro and size options.

I am thinking the bigger / wider seem stickier too. What size are they?
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55mm. previously had 55mm tablets, which have half a mm wider riding surface. they slid better!

They might be better as a keeper for slippery ground, if they are that much different.

I know they do harden up some more as they get older too, which is why I like old wheels more than brand new ones, but if they are not actually 99 duro, then you are always going to have a struggle with them compared to other 99 duro wheels.

As you said, interesting the sizes are almost comparable, tablet 55 x 33 / 23 riding surface and the og classic 55 x 33 / 22.5 riding surface, that you had before, so they should perform pretty much the same in almost everything.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 14, 2021, 06:17:18 PM
Finally put a bit of time in on the 97s. They are noticeably slower than 99s. Going to be good for crust and curbs but bog a little in the park for sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on January 14, 2021, 06:21:04 PM
Finally put a bit of time in on the 97s. They are noticeably slower than 99s. Going to be good for crust and curbs but bog a little in the park for sure.

I got the same feeling. Rode the 56mm. They gripped nicely in the park when there was a touch of moisture in the air. But most def felt slower than my 55mm 99a tablets.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on January 14, 2021, 06:40:45 PM
Finally put a bit of time in on the 97s. They are noticeably slower than 99s. Going to be good for crust and curbs but bog a little in the park for sure.
they seem to wear down at the same  rate as the 99a formula fours? crust n curb what I am specifically looking at them for. But comparatively I’ve really liked the 95a NFG V I’m riding. Attracted to the classic shape especially for an egg
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 14, 2021, 06:51:56 PM
Not enough time on them to say. But my guess is they will be even more flat spot resistant but wear a little quicker.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on January 15, 2021, 02:57:46 AM
Where I live it's essentially all crust even some of the parks.

Skated my 99s yesterday after skating the 97 for 2 months. Dam it felt so rattle to me. I'm just so used to the 97s now don't think I can ever go back. in my opinion if your an exclusive crust guy. These are your wheel.

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Finally put a bit of time in on the 97s. They are noticeably slower than 99s. Going to be good for crust and curbs but bog a little in the park for sure.
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they seem to wear down at the same  rate as the 99a formula fours? crust n curb what I am specifically looking at them for. But comparatively I’ve really liked the 95a NFG V I’m riding. Attracted to the classic shape especially for an egg

Haven't bought a non spitfire wheel in years and it annoys me. What's the slide like on then nfg?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Croquet temper on January 15, 2021, 03:26:02 PM
Even F4s get chunks taken out of them pretty easily. All wheels are nothing but dust in the wind.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lukabrazi on January 15, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
(https://imgur.com/OpA6vDWl.jpg)

52mm 99du OG classics

pretty psyched to skate this wheel for the next few months. 

really like that these are skinnier than a Conical , but with a little more riding surface. should be a pretty stable feeling wheel .
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Post by: FUBAR on January 15, 2021, 04:31:28 PM
^^whoa those are rad
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 15, 2021, 05:02:53 PM
And the inside graphic stays clean too.

Nice wheels!!!

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Post by: Ok on January 15, 2021, 09:26:53 PM
(https://imgur.com/OpA6vDWl.jpg)

52mm 99du OG classics

pretty psyched to skate this wheel for the next few months. 

really like that these are skinnier than a Conical , but with a little more riding surface. should be a pretty stable feeling wheel .

Interesting
Be cool to hear how they workout. I’m looking for the biggest wheel I get with venture lot’s/thunder 147s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 19, 2021, 07:03:57 AM
Spent all weekend on the 97s. Like all F4s they really start to shine once you've torn them up a little. Anyway, these are good wheels. You are only sacrificing a little slide and a bit of speed in smooth parks. So if you like crust and you're not a super techie ledgetarian you might like these. I skated some pretty fucked up ground recently and they were worked great with no noticeable wear.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 19, 2021, 07:12:32 AM
Spent all weekend on the 97s. Like all F4s they really start to shine once you've torn them up a little. Anyway, these are good wheels. You are only sacrificing a little slide and a bit of speed in smooth parks. So if you like crust and you're not a super techie ledgetarian you might like these. I skated some pretty fucked up ground recently and they were worked great with no noticeable wear.

Best description:

super techie ledgetarian

:)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on January 19, 2021, 07:17:23 AM
Spent all weekend on the 97s. Like all F4s they really start to shine once you've torn them up a little. Anyway, these are good wheels. You are only sacrificing a little slide and a bit of speed in smooth parks. So if you like crust and you're not a super techie ledgetarian you might like these. I skated some pretty fucked up ground recently and they were worked great with no noticeable wear.
are they noticeably wearing down and is the riding surface getting a bit wider? That could be a sweet spot like you said, once they’re torn up a bit and the riding surface gets a bit more stable
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 21, 2021, 08:41:29 AM
Not noticeably worn down yet just feeling more broken in. The riding surface will get wider when they wear due to the 'classic shape.' Even did a few blunt slides on them, which to me is the true test of a wheels slideablity.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2021, 06:45:38 PM
anyone got any big spitfires (originally 56-60mm) that are worn down to 53 or lower that they are willing to sell? cant wear them down myself due to truck height
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on January 21, 2021, 06:50:49 PM
anyone got any big spitfires (originally 56-60mm) that are worn down to 53 or lower that they are willing to sell? cant wear them down myself due to truck height

Why dont you just get some 53s... if you want the width just get conical fulls?
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Post by: munchbox on January 21, 2021, 06:56:18 PM
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Why dont you just get some 53s... if you want the width just get conical fulls?
width and riding surface would be much smaller with 53s. i just had a set that i got to 49mm and they werent as wide as i thought they would get
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 21, 2021, 07:29:31 PM
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anyone got any big spitfires (originally 56-60mm) that are worn down to 53 or lower that they are willing to sell? cant wear them down myself due to truck height
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Why dont you just get some 53s... if you want the width just get conical fulls?
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width and riding surface would be much smaller with 53s. i just had a set that i got to 49mm and they werent as wide as i thought they would get

I love the worn down bigger wheels and have lots, but am in Australia, so not really a viable option.

There are usually quite a few guys here I help with bigger new wheels and I swap back to get their old wheels when they are done, so 56mm classics at 52mm are perfect for width and riding surface.  Even the conical full new at 53 or 54 are still not quite as nice as the classic shape when worn down, as well as taking an angle grinder to reshape big fat squared off or sharp edged 58 conical full to a slightly more radial shape, which works really well.

If you knew a few dudes like that, you would be set for wheels.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on January 23, 2021, 09:00:46 AM
Has anyone noticed the 97a stain really easy? Ive never had this before with any other f4

(https://i.ibb.co/xDKqkDZ/IMG-20210123-143834.jpg) (https://ibb.co/G0fQ60m)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hiljentaa on January 23, 2021, 06:56:50 PM
It looks like there is a new cheaper Radial Slim F4, kinda like those Lil Smokies Tablets.

(https://cdn.ccs.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4/image/x550/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/8/8/888560182356-2.1560940433.jpg)

They were $4 cheaper than CFs and Classics when they were in stock @ CCS.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2021, 08:20:00 PM
Has anyone noticed the 97a stain really easy? Ive never had this before with any other f4


Any wheel will take in whatever colouring there is around, eg those Spitfire Skeleton Key half dyed wheels, but even rolling off into grass does stain the wheels somewhat I had noticed.

I like how you took off the swirl on the classics graphic too, either by skating hard or by choice - I have done that a lot.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 23, 2021, 11:49:43 PM
It looks like there is a new cheaper Radial Slim F4, kinda like those Lil Smokies Tablets.

(https://cdn.ccs.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4/image/x550/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/8/8/888560182356-2.1560940433.jpg)

They were $4 cheaper than CFs and Classics when they were in stock @ CCS.

Feeling the plainer graphic more than the red / green.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on January 24, 2021, 03:05:45 AM
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Has anyone noticed the 97a stain really easy? Ive never had this before with any other f4

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Any wheel will take in whatever colouring there is around, eg those Spitfire Skeleton Key half dyed wheels, but even rolling off into grass does stain the wheels somewhat I had noticed.

I like how you took off the swirl on the classics graphic too, either by skating hard or by choice - I have done that a lot.

Cheers :)

I got that by skating an absolute dog shit ledge. That I've since  lacquered and waxed. The edge is so pointy. It made shit of my wheels. Grinded the hell out of thunders too.

(https://i.ibb.co/J5kS4kc/IMG-20210115-152920-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NZYGPYF)

Grinds smooth now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Surf The Earth on January 27, 2021, 11:45:29 AM
I need help. Headin to my Local shop tonight to get new wheels with some birthday money. I have the OG Classic and Conical Full put to the side. I have always gotten conical full 56 or 58, and I am contemplating trying the OG Classic f4s in either a 58 or 60. Anyone got experience with both? what are the notable differences, on board,  between the shapes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on January 27, 2021, 12:05:35 PM
I need help. Headin to my Local shop tonight to get new wheels with some birthday money. I have the OG Classic and Conical Full put to the side. I have always gotten conical full 56 or 58, and I am contemplating trying the OG Classic f4s in either a 58 or 60. Anyone got experience with both? what are the notable differences, on board,  between the shapes
Conical Full all the way for me - they roll over coping better and slide better. However, if you primarily skate ledges and or rails, I'd get the og shape instead.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Surf The Earth on January 27, 2021, 02:21:38 PM
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I need help. Headin to my Local shop tonight to get new wheels with some birthday money. I have the OG Classic and Conical Full put to the side. I have always gotten conical full 56 or 58, and I am contemplating trying the OG Classic f4s in either a 58 or 60. Anyone got experience with both? what are the notable differences, on board,  between the shapes
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Conical Full all the way for me - they roll over coping better and slide better. However, if you primarily skate ledges and or rails, I'd get the og shape instead.

Thanks man. Mostly transition, and slappies for me, so I may just stay the course with the conical full
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on January 27, 2021, 02:39:45 PM
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I need help. Headin to my Local shop tonight to get new wheels with some birthday money. I have the OG Classic and Conical Full put to the side. I have always gotten conical full 56 or 58, and I am contemplating trying the OG Classic f4s in either a 58 or 60. Anyone got experience with both? what are the notable differences, on board,  between the shapes
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Conical Full all the way for me - they roll over coping better and slide better. However, if you primarily skate ledges and or rails, I'd get the og shape instead.
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Thanks man. Mostly transition, and slappies for me, so I may just stay the course with the conical full
Yeah, it's easy to get hyped on "NEW SHAPE!", until you realize that everything you skate is easier with what you already have. Either way, one can't regret having new f4s no matter what shape they are, we're just splitting hairs here.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 27, 2021, 05:05:46 PM
I need help. Headin to my Local shop tonight to get new wheels with some birthday money. I have the OG Classic and Conical Full put to the side. I have always gotten conical full 56 or 58, and I am contemplating trying the OG Classic f4s in either a 58 or 60. Anyone got experience with both? what are the notable differences, on board,  between the shapes

It comes down to what is available too, given Conical Full have only been made up to 56mm since covid, but the OG Classics are in 58 and 60mm, with a very similar square edge, but a slightly slimmer shape overall, so if you wanted bigger wheels, at least those have you covered.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 27, 2021, 05:09:55 PM
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I need help. Headin to my Local shop tonight to get new wheels with some birthday money. I have the OG Classic and Conical Full put to the side. I have always gotten conical full 56 or 58, and I am contemplating trying the OG Classic f4s in either a 58 or 60. Anyone got experience with both? what are the notable differences, on board,  between the shapes
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Conical Full all the way for me - they roll over coping better and slide better. However, if you primarily skate ledges and or rails, I'd get the og shape instead.
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Thanks man. Mostly transition, and slappies for me, so I may just stay the course with the conical full
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Yeah, it's easy to get hyped on "NEW SHAPE!", until you realize that everything you skate is easier with what you already have. Either way, one can't regret having new f4s no matter what shape they are, we're just splitting hairs here.

It is funny how similar the wheel shapes have become - wider riding surface, squared off edge.

In the shop I had Radials, Conical, Conical Full, OG Classics and to compare to sets of well worn down bigger normal classics and there is only a mm or two difference in dimensions between all of them.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on January 28, 2021, 12:46:36 AM
Just put in an order for my first F4s. Pretty excited to try something new after years of riding Bones SPF 84B. Thanks to all of you posting in this thread I felt I could make an informed decision for 99A, 54mm Tablets.

Hoping for a smoother ride on rough ground as I have started to skate more street again. I don’t mind losing some speed in the bowl. Bit worried about adjusting to a new feel when doing reverts but I cannot imagine it will be too difficult.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on January 28, 2021, 05:36:42 AM
Just put in an order for my first F4s. Pretty excited to try something new after years of riding Bones SPF 84B. Thanks to all of you posting in this thread I felt I could make an informed decision for 99A, 54mm Tablets.

Hoping for a smoother ride on rough ground as I have started to skate more street again. I don’t mind losing some speed in the bowl. Bit worried about adjusting to a new feel when doing reverts but I cannot imagine it will be too difficult.

I was anti spitfire for a minute (flat spotted F4’s when they first came out) was on bones 84b just before switching to F4s again. So much better in every way. Your gonna be stoked
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Surf The Earth on January 28, 2021, 05:53:54 AM
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I need help. Headin to my Local shop tonight to get new wheels with some birthday money. I have the OG Classic and Conical Full put to the side. I have always gotten conical full 56 or 58, and I am contemplating trying the OG Classic f4s in either a 58 or 60. Anyone got experience with both? what are the notable differences, on board,  between the shapes
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Conical Full all the way for me - they roll over coping better and slide better. However, if you primarily skate ledges and or rails, I'd get the og shape instead.
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Thanks man. Mostly transition, and slappies for me, so I may just stay the course with the conical full
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Yeah, it's easy to get hyped on "NEW SHAPE!", until you realize that everything you skate is easier with what you already have. Either way, one can't regret having new f4s no matter what shape they are, we're just splitting hairs here.
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It is funny how similar the wheel shapes have become - wider riding surface, squared off edge.

In the shop I had Radials, Conical, Conical Full, OG Classics and to compare to sets of well worn down bigger normal classics and there is only a mm or two difference in dimensions between all of them.


Thanks everybody. Went with the conical full, no reason to try and fix something that aint broken.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on January 28, 2021, 06:20:11 AM
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Just put in an order for my first F4s. Pretty excited to try something new after years of riding Bones SPF 84B. Thanks to all of you posting in this thread I felt I could make an informed decision for 99A, 54mm Tablets.

Hoping for a smoother ride on rough ground as I have started to skate more street again. I don’t mind losing some speed in the bowl. Bit worried about adjusting to a new feel when doing reverts but I cannot imagine it will be too difficult.
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I was anti spitfire for a minute (flat spotted F4’s when they first came out) was on bones 84b just before switching to F4s again. So much better in every way. Your gonna be stoked
for me, 99a isn’t smooth on rough ground bc it’s still a hard wheel and the shape didn’t seem to completely change that. 97a I am curious to try but have been liking 95a as a middle ground/do it all. Getting my knees back into it and it’s been a good mix for the winter too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on January 28, 2021, 07:39:48 AM
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Just put in an order for my first F4s. Pretty excited to try something new after years of riding Bones SPF 84B. Thanks to all of you posting in this thread I felt I could make an informed decision for 99A, 54mm Tablets.

Hoping for a smoother ride on rough ground as I have started to skate more street again. I don’t mind losing some speed in the bowl. Bit worried about adjusting to a new feel when doing reverts but I cannot imagine it will be too difficult.
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I was anti spitfire for a minute (flat spotted F4’s when they first came out) was on bones 84b just before switching to F4s again. So much better in every way. Your gonna be stoked
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for me, 99a isn’t smooth on rough ground bc it’s still a hard wheel and the shape didn’t seem to completely change that. 97a I am curious to try but have been liking 95a as a middle ground/do it all. Getting my knees back into it and it’s been a good mix for the winter too.

Nomads? If so I’m very curious about how well they slide compared to a 99a spitfire. I’m so close to pulling the trigger but I’m afraid I’ll lose some of the length etc on nose slides etc.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on January 28, 2021, 07:46:36 AM
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Just put in an order for my first F4s. Pretty excited to try something new after years of riding Bones SPF 84B. Thanks to all of you posting in this thread I felt I could make an informed decision for 99A, 54mm Tablets.

Hoping for a smoother ride on rough ground as I have started to skate more street again. I don’t mind losing some speed in the bowl. Bit worried about adjusting to a new feel when doing reverts but I cannot imagine it will be too difficult.
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I was anti spitfire for a minute (flat spotted F4’s when they first came out) was on bones 84b just before switching to F4s again. So much better in every way. Your gonna be stoked
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for me, 99a isn’t smooth on rough ground bc it’s still a hard wheel and the shape didn’t seem to completely change that. 97a I am curious to try but have been liking 95a as a middle ground/do it all. Getting my knees back into it and it’s been a good mix for the winter too.
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Nomads? If so I’m very curious about how well they slide compared to a 99a spitfire. I’m so close to pulling the trigger but I’m afraid I’ll lose some of the length etc on nose slides etc.
NFG 95a. Don’t have enough wear to tell you an accurate comparison on sliding specifically on slides
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 28, 2021, 09:15:22 AM
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Just put in an order for my first F4s. Pretty excited to try something new after years of riding Bones SPF 84B. Thanks to all of you posting in this thread I felt I could make an informed decision for 99A, 54mm Tablets.

Hoping for a smoother ride on rough ground as I have started to skate more street again. I don’t mind losing some speed in the bowl. Bit worried about adjusting to a new feel when doing reverts but I cannot imagine it will be too difficult.
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I was anti spitfire for a minute (flat spotted F4’s when they first came out) was on bones 84b just before switching to F4s again. So much better in every way. Your gonna be stoked
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for me, 99a isn’t smooth on rough ground bc it’s still a hard wheel and the shape didn’t seem to completely change that. 97a I am curious to try but have been liking 95a as a middle ground/do it all. Getting my knees back into it and it’s been a good mix for the winter too.
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Nomads? If so I’m very curious about how well they slide compared to a 99a spitfire. I’m so close to pulling the trigger but I’m afraid I’ll lose some of the length etc on nose slides etc.

I was pleasantly surprised with the 95a Nomads. They felt pretty great on rough ground but were still nose slideable and even blunt slideable on the right surface. Pretty durable as well. I tried tearing them up as much as I could and never cracked, tore or flat spotted any of them. A very worthy compromise wheel. disclaimer, I did have them on a slick bottom so that probably helped with slides.

Currently on the 97a F4s. Faster on smooth ground and slide better than the Nomads but not as good at sucking up super rough ground. I like 'the feel' of the 97a F4s slightly more. Just feels closer to home for me. Both very worthy wheels. And both seem to be higher quality than most 95/ 97a wheels on the market until this point.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on January 28, 2021, 12:29:53 PM
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Just put in an order for my first F4s. Pretty excited to try something new after years of riding Bones SPF 84B. Thanks to all of you posting in this thread I felt I could make an informed decision for 99A, 54mm Tablets.

Hoping for a smoother ride on rough ground as I have started to skate more street again. I don’t mind losing some speed in the bowl. Bit worried about adjusting to a new feel when doing reverts but I cannot imagine it will be too difficult.
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I was anti spitfire for a minute (flat spotted F4’s when they first came out) was on bones 84b just before switching to F4s again. So much better in every way. Your gonna be stoked
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for me, 99a isn’t smooth on rough ground bc it’s still a hard wheel and the shape didn’t seem to completely change that. 97a I am curious to try but have been liking 95a as a middle ground/do it all. Getting my knees back into it and it’s been a good mix for the winter too.

99a works for me pretty well. I was on 101a but switched today 99a as I started skating more street. I think anything softer would be too sticky for me as all I really skate are ledges.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 28, 2021, 05:23:21 PM

Thanks everybody. Went with the conical full, no reason to try and fix something that aint broken.

Did you get 56mm size?

So many people have been wanting the 58s but will just ride the 56 anyway.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Surf The Earth on January 28, 2021, 08:56:16 PM
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Thanks everybody. Went with the conical full, no reason to try and fix something that aint broken.
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Did you get 56mm size?

So many people have been wanting the 58s but will just ride the 56 anyway.

haha exactly. I want the 58s, but they didn't have em, so went 56
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on February 02, 2021, 08:50:49 PM
how are pals liking the og classics? do they feel lighter than their other wide wheel counterparts or is it all marketing?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 03, 2021, 06:39:36 AM
Two guys I know have the bigger range 58 / 60 mm OG F4s and love them.

Don't know anyone on the smaller versions though, but they look good.

The squared off shape means more wheel to surface and easier grinds, as conical full tend to grip more on grinds with that sharper angular edge they have.

I think people are stoked on them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: the snake on February 03, 2021, 07:35:59 AM
not happy with the 101a radials slims i bought few months ago, they don't feel round and keep deteriorating, losing parts and i only ride in concrete skateparks, got the tablets 99a after,  they 're perfect, maybe i got some fake ones first
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 03, 2021, 08:02:26 AM
not happy with the 101a radials slims i bought few months ago, they don't feel round and keep deteriorating, losing parts and i only ride in concrete skateparks, got the tablets 99a after,  they 're perfect, maybe i got some fake ones first

Where did you get them and do you have any pics?

The radial slim 101s green snake graphic are pretty widely copied.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on February 03, 2021, 08:08:09 AM
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not happy with the 101a radials slims i bought few months ago, they don't feel round and keep deteriorating, losing parts and i only ride in concrete skateparks, got the tablets 99a after,  they 're perfect, maybe i got some fake ones first
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Where did you get them and do you have any pics?

The radial slim 101s green snake graphic are pretty widely copied.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Fake ones have zero slide and are conical shape despite being listed as Radial Slim.

Been riding F4 almost exclusively after riding Bones and these wheel don't chip especially on the front wheels during crooked grinds.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: the snake on February 04, 2021, 02:17:32 AM
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not happy with the 101a radials slims i bought few months ago, they don't feel round and keep deteriorating, losing parts and i only ride in concrete skateparks, got the tablets 99a after,  they 're perfect, maybe i got some fake ones first
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Where did you get them and do you have any pics?

The radial slim 101s green snake graphic are pretty widely copied.
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Took the words right out of my mouth. Fake ones have zero slide and are conical shape despite being listed as Radial Slim.

Been riding F4 almost exclusively after riding Bones and these wheel don't chip especially on the front wheels during crooked grinds.
They're the green snake ones 53mm, got them at the local shop, the shape seems correct, but the gum makes white spots before exploding, like hard plastic would do...maybe a bad covid era batch
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on February 04, 2021, 01:47:12 PM
Little birdie sez Conical Full 97s in 54, 56 & 58
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Post by: jay_nev on February 04, 2021, 01:53:05 PM
Little birdie sez Conical Full 97s in 54, 56 & 58
  8)  ooo nice
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Eric Dolphy on February 04, 2021, 02:11:36 PM
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Just put in an order for my first F4s. Pretty excited to try something new after years of riding Bones SPF 84B. Thanks to all of you posting in this thread I felt I could make an informed decision for 99A, 54mm Tablets.

Hoping for a smoother ride on rough ground as I have started to skate more street again. I don’t mind losing some speed in the bowl. Bit worried about adjusting to a new feel when doing reverts but I cannot imagine it will be too difficult.
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I was anti spitfire for a minute (flat spotted F4’s when they first came out) was on bones 84b just before switching to F4s again. So much better in every way. Your gonna be stoked
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for me, 99a isn’t smooth on rough ground bc it’s still a hard wheel and the shape didn’t seem to completely change that. 97a I am curious to try but have been liking 95a as a middle ground/do it all. Getting my knees back into it and it’s been a good mix for the winter too.
I'm absolutely loving my 97's, they're so good on rougher surfaces and actually slide amazing with a nice bark. Total game changer, they've opened up a bunch of local spots that my 99's couldn't hack.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 04, 2021, 05:49:58 PM
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Just put in an order for my first F4s. Pretty excited to try something new after years of riding Bones SPF 84B. Thanks to all of you posting in this thread I felt I could make an informed decision for 99A, 54mm Tablets.

Hoping for a smoother ride on rough ground as I have started to skate more street again. I don’t mind losing some speed in the bowl. Bit worried about adjusting to a new feel when doing reverts but I cannot imagine it will be too difficult.
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I was anti spitfire for a minute (flat spotted F4’s when they first came out) was on bones 84b just before switching to F4s again. So much better in every way. Your gonna be stoked
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for me, 99a isn’t smooth on rough ground bc it’s still a hard wheel and the shape didn’t seem to completely change that. 97a I am curious to try but have been liking 95a as a middle ground/do it all. Getting my knees back into it and it’s been a good mix for the winter too.
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I'm absolutely loving my 97's, they're so good on rougher surfaces and actually slide amazing with a nice bark. Total game changer, they've opened up a bunch of local spots that my 99's couldn't hack.

I concur. Now that they have broken in my 97s they are amazing. I think I might ride them all the time not just for crust. The only downside is a slight loss of speed in smooth parks compared to 99s but I have different set up for skating bigger concrete transition anyway...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kimura on February 04, 2021, 06:13:35 PM
Little birdie sez Conical Full 97s in 54, 56 & 58

I hope birdie is correct. I was hoping for OG Classic but Conical Full will do.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 04, 2021, 06:29:29 PM
I want some 56mm Classic Wide shape Orange colored. 97s please, little birdie.
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 06, 2021, 02:00:48 PM
Just got some 54mm 97a’s yesterday. I’m surprised at how much I like the slide on these.

 I expected an inconsistent and untrustworthy slide, like softer wheels sometimes do where half the time they slide a modest amount and the other half the time they grip and pitch you forward. These felt consistent like they would slide the same way each time, with little variation.

The quality of the slide feels comparable to normal F4’s too. The harder ones feel like you are sliding on ice whereas the 97a feel like you are sliding on something thicker, like motor oil, but it’s the same smooth and steady slide, just a shorter slide.

Rolling, they feel like they mute the ground a bit more than 99a’s, but not as much as soft cruiser wheels do. To me, 99’s make the ground feel like crunching Frosted Flakes, 97 are like when you first put milk on Frosted Flakes and softer (like 85a) feel like the milk has settled in.

I don’t feel a huge difference in keeping speed from my 99a F4’s, but I’m running new bearings and a different brand than I’m used to, so that may factor in. (Usually use Mini logo bearings but I’m trying out Olympia)

Anyway, I love them so far, looking forward to seeing how the slide feels when they break in more.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on February 06, 2021, 02:29:32 PM
Just got some 54mm 97a’s yesterday. I’m surprised at how much I like the slide on these.

 I expected an inconsistent and untrustworthy slide, like softer wheels sometimes do where half the time they slide a modest amount and the other half the time they grip and pitch you forward. These felt consistent like they would slide the same way each time, with little variation.

The quality of the slide feels comparable to normal F4’s too. The harder ones feel like you are sliding on ice whereas the 97a feel like you are sliding on something thicker, like motor oil, but it’s the same smooth and steady slide, just a shorter slide.

Rolling, they feel like they mute the ground a bit more than 99a’s, but not as much as soft cruiser wheels do. To me, 99’s make the ground feel like crunching Frosted Flakes, 97 are like when you first put milk on Frosted Flakes and softer (like 85a) feel like the milk has settled in.
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I don’t feel a huge difference in keeping speed from my 99a F4’s, but I’m running new bearings and a different brand than I’m used to, so that may factor in. (Usually use Mini logo bearings but I’m trying out Olympia)

Anyway, I love them so far, looking forward to seeing how the slide feels when they break in more.

Give them a week or two of skating and they will break in and feel even better.

Honestly.... They are the perfect wheel.
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 06, 2021, 02:53:55 PM
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Just got some 54mm 97a’s yesterday. I’m surprised at how much I like the slide on these.

 I expected an inconsistent and untrustworthy slide, like softer wheels sometimes do where half the time they slide a modest amount and the other half the time they grip and pitch you forward. These felt consistent like they would slide the same way each time, with little variation.

The quality of the slide feels comparable to normal F4’s too. The harder ones feel like you are sliding on ice whereas the 97a feel like you are sliding on something thicker, like motor oil, but it’s the same smooth and steady slide, just a shorter slide.

Rolling, they feel like they mute the ground a bit more than 99a’s, but not as much as soft cruiser wheels do. To me, 99’s make the ground feel like crunching Frosted Flakes, 97 are like when you first put milk on Frosted Flakes and softer (like 85a) feel like the milk has settled in.
Hi I'm
I don’t feel a huge difference in keeping speed from my 99a F4’s, but I’m running new bearings and a different brand than I’m used to, so that may factor in. (Usually use Mini logo bearings but I’m trying out Olympia)

Anyway, I love them so far, looking forward to seeing how the slide feels when they break in more.
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Give them a week or two of skating and they will break in and feel even better.

Honestly.... They are the perfect wheel.

Nice! I’m glad to hear the slide gets even better. With other brands I’ve always had the opposite experience, where they lose slide and grip more as they wear in. Urethane formulas are so interesting
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Post by: ballintoohard on February 06, 2021, 03:03:42 PM
To the poster asking about OG classic weight, it might be a few grams per set. I’ve weighed every spitfire shape and Tablets were the lightest, but even then it was 52 tablets compared to 54 conical fulls and they were 13g lighter, which is basically nothing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: drinny on February 06, 2021, 04:04:41 PM
Not gonna switch from the magic 101a Spit or 87a Keyframe combo just yet.... but curious.

Love to know how soft they really feel riding.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: drinny on February 06, 2021, 04:06:07 PM
Not gonna switch from the magic 101a Spit or 87a Keyframe combo just yet.... but curious.

Love to know how soft they really feel riding.
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Post by: drinny on February 06, 2021, 04:08:27 PM
Not gonna switch from the magic 101a Spit or 87a Keyframe combo just yet.... but curious.

Love to know how soft they really feel riding.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on February 06, 2021, 06:09:42 PM
Need to try these 97a

And compare how they feel in classic shape to these wide 95a

@Sundaynuggets great description. When you say compared to a soft cruiser wheel are you saying 87a or so or more like a 78a?
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 06, 2021, 06:20:51 PM
Need to try these 97a

And compare how they feel in classic shape to these wide 95a

@Sundaynuggets great description. When you say compared to a soft cruiser wheel are you saying 87a or so or more like a 78a?

Thanks! With the cereal analogy I was talking about 85a’s I’ve tried (Powell g-slides specifically but equally true of the Oj key frames I’ve tried) because even those still feel a bit crunchy on the ground.

I usually ride softer cruisers (78a Rictas or 80a Mini juice) and the 97a F4’s feel like they have almost nothing in common with those. The 78a feel more in the soft cereal category haha

With the 95a you mentioned, are you riding the NFGMFG wheels?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on February 06, 2021, 07:14:03 PM
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Need to try these 97a

And compare how they feel in classic shape to these wide 95a

@Sundaynuggets great description. When you say compared to a soft cruiser wheel are you saying 87a or so or more like a 78a?
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Thanks! With the cereal analogy I was talking about 85a’s I’ve tried (Powell g-slides specifically but equally true of the Oj key frames I’ve tried) because even those still feel a bit crunchy on the ground.

I usually ride softer cruisers (78a Rictas or 80a Mini juice) and the 97a F4’s feel like they have almost nothing in common with those. The 78a feel more in the soft cereal category haha

With the 95a you mentioned, are you riding the NFGMFG wheels?
yes the NFG 95a but the vee shape so super wide and square . and i also have 87a keyframes. so trying to place within your analogy. i have been attracted to the classic shape lately so want to try regardless, but wondering if theyll be serviceable as a transportation type wheel too. something about those classic shape and how they wear down
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 06, 2021, 07:38:59 PM
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Need to try these 97a

And compare how they feel in classic shape to these wide 95a

@Sundaynuggets great description. When you say compared to a soft cruiser wheel are you saying 87a or so or more like a 78a?
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Thanks! With the cereal analogy I was talking about 85a’s I’ve tried (Powell g-slides specifically but equally true of the Oj key frames I’ve tried) because even those still feel a bit crunchy on the ground.

I usually ride softer cruisers (78a Rictas or 80a Mini juice) and the 97a F4’s feel like they have almost nothing in common with those. The 78a feel more in the soft cereal category haha

With the 95a you mentioned, are you riding the NFGMFG wheels?
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yes the NFG 95a but the vee shape so super wide and square . and i also have 87a keyframes. so trying to place within your analogy. i have been attracted to the classic shape lately so want to try regardless, but wondering if theyll be serviceable as a transportation type wheel too. something about those classic shape and how they wear down

I gotcha. How do those NFG slide? I have some of their normal formula V and Square shapes and they feel awesome but don’t slide as well as I would like. I imagine their 95a’s don’t slide any better, but how do they feel rolling on crust?

The classic shape is interesting! I have never skated it (I usually skate conical full) but I like the classic shape so far.

As far as transportation wheels go, it’s hard to say. I’m 41 and skate long distances around my city a lot (4-8 miles 3 or 4 times a week) and my legs/feet don’t feel great skating anything harder than 85a for distances like that, especially because much of it is crusty. I carry 99a’s around with me to switch out to if I stop and skate some ledges or something in my travels. So I will likely use these 97a’s for neighborhood skating and hitting ledge or slidey spots nearby, but probably won’t use them for anything longer than maybe 2 or 3 mile travels (roughly 20-30 blocks for me)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sketchyrider on February 10, 2021, 05:48:05 AM
finally gave f4's a try after hearing about them, spent several sessions on them now.

first thing i'd say is they aren't wildly different than the bones wheels i'd been using. i noticed differences for sure, but it seems high-rebound wheels are pretty similar, they offer a lot of performance/speed.

that being said there was a lot to like. worked well on the sidewalk as well as the park, slides are effortless, no gashes from doing crooked grinds.

so far the only downside: i haven't quite been able to keep the speed in a concrete pool, coming from bones spf conicals to radial slim 101's in the same size (measurements were really close). i'm not sure if it's because of the wheel formula and/or shape is slowing me down, or if i am just afraid to slip out on a less grippy wheel. maybe i would have been better off with the regular conicals, but they seem to be hard to find.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 10, 2021, 04:09:09 PM
finally gave f4's a try after hearing about them, spent several sessions on them now.

first thing i'd say is they aren't wildly different than the bones wheels i'd been using. i noticed differences for sure, but it seems high-rebound wheels are pretty similar, they offer a lot of performance/speed.

that being said there was a lot to like. worked well on the sidewalk as well as the park, slides are effortless, no gashes from doing crooked grinds.

so far the only downside: i haven't quite been able to keep the speed in a concrete pool, coming from bones spf conicals to radial slim 101's in the same size (measurements were really close). i'm not sure if it's because of the wheel formula and/or shape is slowing me down, or if i am just afraid to slip out on a less grippy wheel. maybe i would have been better off with the regular conicals, but they seem to be hard to find.

The weird thing is the 101s have seemed to be inconsistent in the feel and the slide, but the 99s have always been so "normal" and all felt the same, from the many many sets I have had.

I know others have said something like this too, but it is just one of those things, some perceptions of performance will vary depending on where you skate, what else is going on, etc.

I had seen supply almost dry up again in Australia, (as well as some other countries) but from following a lot of US shops on Instagram, there have been so many solid drops of product that I think it really depends on where you are, as to what is available.  A lot of people do order from other countries, but I know many shops don't put stock online and only have it for walk in / local customers too, not that you need more wheels right now, but it is worth hitting up local shops to ask about them.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sketchyrider on February 11, 2021, 07:04:17 AM
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finally gave f4's a try after hearing about them, spent several sessions on them now.

first thing i'd say is they aren't wildly different than the bones wheels i'd been using. i noticed differences for sure, but it seems high-rebound wheels are pretty similar, they offer a lot of performance/speed.

that being said there was a lot to like. worked well on the sidewalk as well as the park, slides are effortless, no gashes from doing crooked grinds.

so far the only downside: i haven't quite been able to keep the speed in a concrete pool, coming from bones spf conicals to radial slim 101's in the same size (measurements were really close). i'm not sure if it's because of the wheel formula and/or shape is slowing me down, or if i am just afraid to slip out on a less grippy wheel. maybe i would have been better off with the regular conicals, but they seem to be hard to find.
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The weird thing is the 101s have seemed to be inconsistent in the feel and the slide, but the 99s have always been so "normal" and all felt the same, from the many many sets I have had.

I know others have said something like this too, but it is just one of those things, some perceptions of performance will vary depending on where you skate, what else is going on, etc.

I had seen supply almost dry up again in Australia, (as well as some other countries) but from following a lot of US shops on Instagram, there have been so many solid drops of product that I think it really depends on where you are, as to what is available.  A lot of people do order from other countries, but I know many shops don't put stock online and only have it for walk in / local customers too, not that you need more wheels right now, but it is worth hitting up local shops to ask about them.

word thanks for the reply.

i've posted about it before but i am really just trying to work with an "ATV" setup that works on everything, which is why i tried out the f4's. i went with the 101's coming from the spf 104's, not sure if i would really want to go down to 99a, even though i know they are the preferred one on here.

honestly though the 101a radial slims seem almost perfect, it was just in the super tight tranny of the pool that i felt "slower" but it could have just been me being a poosey, not sure of the limits of the new wheels. i knew how much pressure i could put on the spfs before i'd end up on my ass.

i'll check local shops to see if any regular conicals are around, local scene kinda sucks though. they do seem like a hard shape to find.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on February 11, 2021, 09:29:37 PM
new KB f4's ;  https://www.instagram.com/p/CLFH3jHl5AS/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on February 11, 2021, 09:37:34 PM
Am I the only one who misses the older Spitfire graphic wheel? Each pro had their own graphic / wheel color, more than just their name.

(https://www.dlxsf.com/fall15/img/fall15/sf/01-ADIXFORM4-FT-DESKTOP-1200.jpg)
(https://www.dlxsf.com/fall15/img/fall15/sf/04-CARDIEL-CHARRO-FT-800.jpg)
(https://www.dlxsf.com/fall15/img/fall15/sf/09-F4-PRO-FT-DESKTOP-1200.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 12, 2021, 02:21:53 AM
Am I the only one who misses the older Spitfire graphic wheel? Each pro had their own graphic / wheel color, more than just their name.


I had a look at the current Spitfire catalog which is out - Spring 2021 Drop 1 Delivery 1, and almost thought nothing of it.  I know covid issues and production dramas but one pro wheel (two shapes) and one other new variation and that is it?  I didn't even think about posting here, but after you put this up, I also remembered another thing from that time.

I had some dudes that wanted a certain size and shape, but didn't like the dude whose pro wheel it was, so were having a whinge about those wheels.  Now to me this is not an issue - I would ride anything and if I wasn't keen on the graphic I would just machine it off, but whatever to those dudes - Spitfires are Spitfires, so they are good no matter what.

Those Cardiel classic full 54.5 wheels were amazing - still have at least one set new in packaging too, but they are the just the right size, shape, especially when they wear down a couple of mm.


I also realised what you did with embedding images to, and didn't know that was possible.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

Spring 2021 Drop 1 Delivery 1


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring21/sf-sp21-dr1-del1-02.jpg)

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring21/sf-sp21-dr1-del1-03.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on February 20, 2021, 12:34:46 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tU1aFpV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZoJ47qA.png)

Is anyone able to tell whether these are Spit conicals or conical fulls? Any size estimates? Seem to be on the smaller side to me, perhaps 52?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on February 20, 2021, 01:46:05 PM
They kinda look like tablets to me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2021, 01:59:27 PM
They kinda look like tablets to me

Those orange tablets look sick (groan) bummer they're not 51s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bigwheelbite on February 20, 2021, 02:02:31 PM
Hands down the best wheels in the game
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on February 20, 2021, 02:08:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tU1aFpV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZoJ47qA.png)

Is anyone able to tell whether these are Spit conicals or conical fulls? Any size estimates? Seem to be on the smaller side to me, perhaps 52?
52mm tablets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on February 21, 2021, 01:27:16 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/tU1aFpV.png)

These could be radial slims
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on February 21, 2021, 02:46:57 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/tU1aFpV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZoJ47qA.png)

Is anyone able to tell whether these are Spit conicals or conical fulls? Any size estimates? Seem to be on the smaller side to me, perhaps 52?
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52mm tablets

That's it I think, thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: maggotspawn on February 21, 2021, 11:44:32 AM
Tried some Autobahn Dual DUro 100A 54 mm. Hard as rocks, so I'm baclk someto F4 99's 54mm Tablets.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 24, 2021, 05:37:02 PM
Not gonna lie, just saw these and had to stop what I was doing and fan out for a minute...


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLr_QXhllMz/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Zark on February 24, 2021, 09:47:00 PM
FF O.G. CLASSICS 55 MM
(https://i.imgur.com/uuWAvkp.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JwB3d30.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9rhMx3B.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0BtV4ST.jpg?1)
Like a fatter conical full.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: radcunt on February 24, 2021, 10:59:40 PM
I just got some 97a 56mm F4 Classics.  So far they're perfect.  Bit more forgiving on shitty car parks, slide good and still feel like a hard wheel.  Love em
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 25, 2021, 07:02:45 AM

OG Classics for the win.

That pic makes them look so wide though, I really didn't know what shape they were.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLpXUYzAO-K/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on February 25, 2021, 07:11:37 AM
Yeah those didn’t look like og classics at all from the first pic. Still don’t
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 26, 2021, 08:04:54 AM
Looks like the 97a  concical fulls on the way....

http://www.rngdist.it/CAMPIONARIO%20DELUXE/SPRING%2021%20-%20SKATE/FILES/spring-2021-drop1-hardgoods.pdf (http://www.rngdist.it/CAMPIONARIO%20DELUXE/SPRING%2021%20-%20SKATE/FILES/spring-2021-drop1-hardgoods.pdf)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on February 26, 2021, 08:43:34 AM
Looks like the 97a  concical fulls on the way....

http://www.rngdist.it/CAMPIONARIO%20DELUXE/SPRING%2021%20-%20SKATE/FILES/spring-2021-drop1-hardgoods.pdf (http://www.rngdist.it/CAMPIONARIO%20DELUXE/SPRING%2021%20-%20SKATE/FILES/spring-2021-drop1-hardgoods.pdf)
the little bird was right. picking up a set of 58s asap
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kimura on February 26, 2021, 09:49:18 AM
OG CLASSICS 97A! Fucking sweet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on February 26, 2021, 11:13:02 AM
OG CLASSICS 97A! Fucking sweet.
yeah, confused by that because it says “classic” like what was already released but has an image of the og classics.. wouldn’t get your hopes up yet could be a mess up.


(https://i.ibb.co/CK1S9rw/167-BDC75-1292-46-FA-893-D-ECD36-BD27-BDB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CK1S9rw)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on February 26, 2021, 04:09:13 PM
I love my 97s. Never riding a different wheel again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kimura on February 26, 2021, 05:05:10 PM
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OG CLASSICS 97A! Fucking sweet.
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yeah, confused by that because it says “classic” like what was already released but has an image of the og classics.. wouldn’t get your hopes up yet could be a mess up.


(https://i.ibb.co/CK1S9rw/167-BDC75-1292-46-FA-893-D-ECD36-BD27-BDB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CK1S9rw)

Ah good catch! Either way, Conical Full 97A is a win.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Croquet temper on February 26, 2021, 05:42:19 PM
Yeah those didn’t look like og classics at all from the first pic. Still don’t

I think the graphic just changes the appearance of the wheels' width. OG classics are wide ones anyway.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FirstBlood82 on February 27, 2021, 11:44:49 AM
do you guys like the 97du on concrete ?

for me they felt slow outside in the concretepark but they were great indoors in my slippery park.
might go for 99 outside and 97 indoors
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 27, 2021, 11:53:19 AM
I like the 97s on rough and crusty stuff and super slippery indoor stuff. Concrete park 99s are faster for sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 27, 2021, 12:52:54 PM
do you guys like the 97du on concrete ?

for me they felt slow outside in the concretepark but they were great indoors in my slippery park.
might go for 99 outside and 97 indoors

They work fine for me on concrete parks, though they don’t feel like anything special on that surface. They feel better on concrete sidewalks than 99/101’s though
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on February 27, 2021, 08:47:05 PM
Lately I’ve been skating venture lo’s, not many wheels coming out in the 50 mm range. How long does it take most, to get a wheel down a few mm?

Other dumb question: because I’m set in my ways (see venture lo’s, decks no wider than 8”), I like spitfire classics. I feel like narrower wheels flip easier. Would a smaller conical full still flip, easily (emphasis)? Looking at 52 conical fulls, vs 53 classics (and will be using regular height trucks), because that’s what is available.

Spitfire 4 really work quite well. I’m not really fond of the baked potato color. Which is dumb on my part.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iwishilivedinfinla on February 27, 2021, 11:43:27 PM
tablets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 28, 2021, 01:35:38 AM
Lately I’ve been skating venture lo’s, not many wheels coming out in the 50 mm range. How long does it take most, to get a wheel down a few mm?

Other dumb question: because I’m set in my ways (see venture lo’s, decks no wider than 8”), I like spitfire classics. I feel like narrower wheels flip easier. Would a smaller conical full still flip, easily (emphasis)? Looking at 52 conical fulls, vs 53 classics (and will be using regular height trucks), because that’s what is available.

Spitfire 4 really work quite well. I’m not really fond of the baked potato color. Which is dumb on my part.


Some normal F4 classic 99 in 50mm around, from a quick search, but I know there were a lot of tablets, as said above, in 50mm which might still be in stock in a lot of places that I cannot see from Australia in local shops to you in USA.  Here are the links from Paradeworld and I also put in the shop they are selling from above the link so you can check with them directly as another option and save you some time.

Geometric skate shop
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spifire-formula-4-classic-50mm-99d-90-4493339066422/

Energy skate shop
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-51mm-99a-tablet-wheels-175-5020309651591/

303 Boards - 50mm
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-99-formula-4-classic-multiple-sizes-166-4549594611777/

Pure Boardshop - 50mm
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-f4-99-classics-skateboard-wheels-54-1922783969331/

NewYakCity - 50mm
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-f4-classic-99a-assorted-sizes-158-4392550039594/


Some of those do have the F4 classic 51mm 99 duro as well in case you were wanting those.

As far as the time it takes to wear down, depends what you are skating but they don't wear down half as fast as the old Spitfires for the most part, so I would think it safer to get the right size from the start if you can.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on February 28, 2021, 07:11:56 AM
Thanks, both
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2021, 07:49:40 AM
Been on a small wheel kick (mainly due to skating the Natas curbs, also the ground is shit so 99a all the way), I'll get them at 51, usually tablets or V3s (current 51 V3s 99a). I'd suggest the 51mm Spit Tabs, 99a.

Also, as was posted a few pages back (I think), F4 lil smokies (it reads tablet but I believe they are just classics based on this pic) can also be found in 50mm if you dig around.

https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-f4-lil-smokies-99-tablet-51mm-44-5994879680677/

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Spitfire-Lil-Smokies-50mm-101a-natural-500x500.jpg)

Bone V3 50mm 99a:
https://shop.ccs.com/bones-collins-black-sheep-99a-slims-stf-skateboard-wheels-50mm?gclid=CjwKCAiAm-2BBhANEiwAe7eyFKrl8gdyTxlLGfTyK8RF75-gPSXF3OGCXxjg_4Ix9JeKwIJ5INSXWxoCL5MQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 28, 2021, 07:56:18 AM
The 50mm Tablets I got are super fun for flat ground flailing on smooth ground. I vowed never to purchase anything smaller than 54mm but glad I made an exception. Not so great when you hit the rough stuff though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on February 28, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
The 50mm Tablets I got are super fun for flat ground flailing on smooth ground. I vowed never to purchase anything smaller than 54mm but glad I made an exception. Not so great when you hit the rough stuff though.

Gotta say, the one thing i didn't like about the tablets is that it seemed harder to do any type of crook, like the corner dug into the ledge. Where i could just glide thru on classics. Not sure if anyone else felt this.   
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 28, 2021, 11:24:26 AM
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The 50mm Tablets I got are super fun for flat ground flailing on smooth ground. I vowed never to purchase anything smaller than 54mm but glad I made an exception. Not so great when you hit the rough stuff though.
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Gotta say, the one thing i didn't like about the tablets is that it seemed harder to do any type of crook, like the corner dug into the ledge. Where i could just glide thru on classics. Not sure if anyone else felt this.   

The tablets or the V2s are great for ledges, where both wheels are locked, but I miss having a little bit of lip to roll on.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 28, 2021, 04:25:07 PM
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The 50mm Tablets I got are super fun for flat ground flailing on smooth ground. I vowed never to purchase anything smaller than 54mm but glad I made an exception. Not so great when you hit the rough stuff though.
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Gotta say, the one thing i didn't like about the tablets is that it seemed harder to do any type of crook, like the corner dug into the ledge. Where i could just glide thru on classics. Not sure if anyone else felt this.

It might be a little extreme, but I have often used an angle grinder to give old wheels a better shape, mainly by taking off the edge and rounding it in, which works nicely.  You are not touching the riding surface, just the side, by keeping the board set up as complete and using the grinder wheel spinning and making the wheel spin (so the bearings are sometimes screaming) and then put pressure on the side so it wears it down some.

Good to try on wheels you don't really care about first, and yes I have butchered some wheels in doing this, but they usually come up really well and this could be applied to tablets to turn them in to the classic shape too.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: passtheish on March 07, 2021, 11:01:20 AM
New Conical Fulls 97DU, coming soon

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMIKC3wl_KU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CMIKC3wl_KU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on March 07, 2021, 11:04:27 AM
Hell yeah. Came to post this. Been holding 97a classics til spring, shit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: passtheish on March 07, 2021, 11:07:26 AM
Hell yeah. Came to post this. Been holding 97a classics til spring, shit.

Yea super excited to try em out, hoping the OG Classics in the F4 97du come out soon too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 07, 2021, 11:39:05 AM
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The 50mm Tablets I got are super fun for flat ground flailing on smooth ground. I vowed never to purchase anything smaller than 54mm but glad I made an exception. Not so great when you hit the rough stuff though.
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Gotta say, the one thing i didn't like about the tablets is that it seemed harder to do any type of crook, like the corner dug into the ledge. Where i could just glide thru on classics. Not sure if anyone else felt this.   
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The tablets or the V2s are great for ledges, where both wheels are locked, but I miss having a little bit of lip to roll on.

So I'm usually not a classics guy (visually I don't like the golf ball look they put off, especially on small trucks...yeah yeah, looks) but threw on some 99a 51mm f4 classics and the crook game is back on point, especially slappy crooks (been skating Radial Slims/Tablets and Bones V3/V2) specifically slappy front crooks and started working on fakie (switch?) fronts...might just have to stay on classics.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 07, 2021, 12:19:48 PM
Does anyone here maybe know if the Lock-In's will ever be sold again? Always wanted to try these. Best of two worlds in my opinion. Rolling up curbs for slappys, locking grinds in on ledges. At least in my theory ^^
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 07, 2021, 01:26:12 PM
Does anyone here maybe know if the Lock-In's will ever be sold again? Always wanted to try these. Best of two worlds in my opinion. Rolling up curbs for slappys, locking grinds in on ledges. At least in my theory ^^

They didn't do anything a Conical or Tablet don't do except screw you on being reversible and keep their gimmick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Eric Dolphy on March 07, 2021, 01:31:42 PM
Does anyone here maybe know if the Lock-In's will ever be sold again? Always wanted to try these. Best of two worlds in my opinion. Rolling up curbs for slappys, locking grinds in on ledges. At least in my theory ^^
Dunno, maybe discontinued because they weren't popular. Asymmetrical wheels are not practical. They sucked for crooks too, same problem someone above was having with the tablets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on March 07, 2021, 05:49:07 PM
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Does anyone here maybe know if the Lock-In's will ever be sold again? Always wanted to try these. Best of two worlds in my opinion. Rolling up curbs for slappys, locking grinds in on ledges. At least in my theory ^^
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Dunno, maybe discontinued because they weren't popular. Asymmetrical wheels are not practical. They sucked for crooks too, same problem someone above was having with the tablets


what was the whole deal with people on here skating them backwards?

seems like the most popular shapes are ; classics and conical fulls
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on March 07, 2021, 07:56:22 PM
I wish regular radials and classic fulls were more widely available. i like the rounded edge with some surface for grip
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: z_tx on March 07, 2021, 08:25:24 PM
Does anyone here maybe know if the Lock-In's will ever be sold again? Always wanted to try these. Best of two worlds in my opinion. Rolling up curbs for slappys, locking grinds in on ledges. At least in my theory ^^

you can still find lock ins (limited sizes) on paradeworld
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 08, 2021, 12:50:19 AM
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Does anyone here maybe know if the Lock-In's will ever be sold again? Always wanted to try these. Best of two worlds in my opinion. Rolling up curbs for slappys, locking grinds in on ledges. At least in my theory ^^
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Dunno, maybe discontinued because they weren't popular. Asymmetrical wheels are not practical. They sucked for crooks too, same problem someone above was having with the tablets
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what was the whole deal with people on here skating them backwards?

seems like the most popular shapes are ; classics and conical fulls

When lock ins become lock outs?

Funny though because the OJ Elite has the asymetric shape, so you can skate them on the rounded side, or on the conical side and they work just as well either way depending on what you want to achieve, so in theory you can skate the Spitfire lock ins either way, having either a tablet face or a conical face on the inside.

An interesting thing with two different sets of 99 duro 55 mm lock ins that I have seen is the bearing seat is offset towards the conical "front" side on one set, and then offset towards the tablet or "back" side on the other set, maybe the first set being very old and the second set being fairly new, but it definitely makes for a different setup.

I also saw this recently, where Alex has his on the tablet / flat face out in the pic, but round the other way in the clip.

Interesting!


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLxRnaKr10K/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fairydinkum on March 08, 2021, 10:38:06 PM
New Conical Fulls 97DU, coming soon

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMIKC3wl_KU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CMIKC3wl_KU/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)

ah! My new favourite wheel!
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Post by: sammyz on March 08, 2021, 11:09:30 PM
i wonder how different these 97a's would be from my slimeball 97's

been riding the slimeballs recently after being 99a classics, and have to say for grinds im really enjoying the width and square edge of the slimeballs
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Post by: sharkin on March 09, 2021, 07:13:43 AM
97 conical full would be like a slightly squarer slimeball

sounds like a good wheel for crust
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Post by: sbmfj on March 09, 2021, 08:00:32 AM
Had apair for FF that chipped. Emailed Spitfire, and got a new set in the mail yesterday!
So stoked!
And they threw in some wax and a face mask!

Thanks Spitfire / DLX.

Spitfires for life!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 09, 2021, 08:38:28 AM
i wonder how different these 97a's would be from my slimeball 97's

been riding the slimeballs recently after being 99a classics, and have to say for grinds im really enjoying the width and square edge of the slimeballs

How do they slide?
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Post by: sammyz on March 09, 2021, 08:45:10 AM
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i wonder how different these 97a's would be from my slimeball 97's

been riding the slimeballs recently after being 99a classics, and have to say for grinds im really enjoying the width and square edge of the slimeballs
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How do they slide?

They slide fine when i want them too, but when i don’t  they have good grip and i don’t ever feel that ill slip out
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 09, 2021, 09:48:46 AM
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i wonder how different these 97a's would be from my slimeball 97's

been riding the slimeballs recently after being 99a classics, and have to say for grinds im really enjoying the width and square edge of the slimeballs
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How do they slide?
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They slide fine when i want them too, but when i don’t  they have good grip and i don’t ever feel that ill slip out

Cool, thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: blueskynoise on March 09, 2021, 12:39:10 PM
I like the 97s on rough and crusty stuff and super slippery indoor stuff. Concrete park 99s are faster for sure.

word
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 09, 2021, 01:18:43 PM
I have never in my life seen classic fulls. Wider riding surface but same rounded sides? I love the classics, just wish they were a bit wider in the surface area, so these sound dope.
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Post by: jamersonbass on March 09, 2021, 01:45:01 PM
I have never in my life seen classic fulls. Wider riding surface but same rounded sides? I love the classics, just wish they were a bit wider in the surface area, so these sound dope.

I had a set of the Classic Full 99's a few years ago.  Not sure they're still in production.

I'm psyched to try out some of those 97a Conical Fulls though, and they will go on my cruiser and probably hit the spot I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on March 09, 2021, 01:50:28 PM
classic fulls are very good
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Post by: Xen on March 09, 2021, 02:13:14 PM
I have never in my life seen classic fulls. Wider riding surface but same rounded sides? I love the classics, just wish they were a bit wider in the surface area, so these sound dope.

(http://spitfirewheels.com/img/spring16/sf/9_F4_SHAPES_DT-1200.jpg)
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Post by: Frank and Fred on March 09, 2021, 05:11:16 PM
classic fulls are very good

Currently on some Classic Fulls right now. One of those wheels that just seems to get better the more you break them in.

56s but probably 55s at this point.
(https://i.imgur.com/MTks2rL.jpg)
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Post by: Fooj on March 09, 2021, 06:05:28 PM
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I have never in my life seen classic fulls. Wider riding surface but same rounded sides? I love the classics, just wish they were a bit wider in the surface area, so these sound dope.
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I had a set of the Classic Full 99's a few years ago.  Not sure they're still in production.

I'm psyched to try out some of those 97a Conical Fulls though, and they will go on my cruiser and probably hit the spot I'm looking for.

found these while lookng at their NB sale. Not great pictures posted so heres a CCS pic of the 56mm version. Im on some right now and theyre great
https://www.brushalleyskateshop.com/product/spitfire-f4-99d-ransom-classics-full-natural-54mm/5100?cp=true&sa=false&sbp=false&q=true
(https://i.imgur.com/UkiV4va.jpg)
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 09, 2021, 06:15:39 PM
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I have never in my life seen classic fulls. Wider riding surface but same rounded sides? I love the classics, just wish they were a bit wider in the surface area, so these sound dope.
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(http://spitfirewheels.com/img/spring16/sf/9_F4_SHAPES_DT-1200.jpg)
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The classic full is actually the original Bighead shape, so a slightly wider, but rounded wheel, which they still make, if you needed a comparison, but I find the normal classics in slightly bigger sizes wear down perfectly to be a "classic full" shape anyway.


Re Spitfire size chart, the funny thing is those size charts never got it right, as they have the Classics wider than the Classic Full wheels from 56 up.

It is my preferred wheel and although they only came out for a shorter run in the natural colour blue F4 swirl graphic, they have been coming out for the pro one off versions of the Lance Mountain and the Grosso wheels, of which I have lots.

54 x 34 is right, with 19 riding surface
56 x 35.5 with 20 riding surface
58 x 37 with 22 riding surface


Call me weird or whatever, but I used to buy these in sets of four, so I could have the full set of normal wheels and people I know could get the full set of coloured wheels, which was almost a complete one off, so they were happy and I was happy to have the rest.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3LcmEQFJnN/
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Post by: Xen on March 09, 2021, 07:14:19 PM

Call me weird or whatever, but I used to buy these in sets of four, so I could have the full set of normal wheels and people I know could get the full set of coloured wheels, which was almost a complete one off, so they were happy and I was happy to have the rest.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3LcmEQFJnN/

I've been known to do that just to get full colorway sets as well.
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Post by: Fooj on March 09, 2021, 08:49:26 PM
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Call me weird or whatever, but I used to buy these in sets of four, so I could have the full set of normal wheels and people I know could get the full set of coloured wheels, which was almost a complete one off, so they were happy and I was happy to have the rest.


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I've been known to do that just to get full colorway sets as well.

chess not checkers. Great idea
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 10, 2021, 07:31:09 AM
I took a trip down memory lane looking for something else and came across the old Catalogs from 2015, still up for now...

https://www.dlxsf.com/fall15/sf.html


(https://www.dlxsf.com/fall15/img/fall15/sf/07-F4-CLASSIC-800.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on March 11, 2021, 07:53:29 AM
I think NFG teardrops are comparable to classic fulls
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Post by: fs1/2cab on March 11, 2021, 02:26:47 PM
Wow. Thanks so much ya all for the info. Will see if I can find classic fulls in Germany/Europe.

My 54mm radial slims are down to 50mm and I can feel that East-German crust a lot in my ankles ^^
I absolutely hate every new part so I ride it to infinity, be it decks, shoes, bushings.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 11, 2021, 06:22:55 PM
I took a trip down memory lane looking for something else and came across the old Catalogs from 2015, still up for now...

https://www.dlxsf.com/fall15/sf.html


(https://www.dlxsf.com/fall15/img/fall15/sf/07-F4-CLASSIC-800.jpg)

Feeling this era of Spitfire wheels, they gave colorways to more pros and the graphics were louder too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bigdave on March 12, 2021, 10:10:09 AM
Kinda wish I was still skating in 2015. Dope catalog. I would have picked up a few things.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank on March 12, 2021, 03:35:39 PM
Wow. Thanks so much ya all for the info. Will see if I can find classic fulls in Germany/Europe.

My 54mm radial slims are down to 50mm and I can feel that East-German crust a lot in my ankles ^^
I absolutely hate every new part so I ride it to infinity, be it decks, shoes, bushings.

not sure how berlin shops handle it, but maybe try calling in. i know some shops kept the new wheel shipment off their sites so as to be able to sell them to locals. so maybe hit them up if they happen to have something instore that is not on the site if you can't find them. it seems like it's hard for most shops to get a good shipment in, the wheelsets trickle down more or less. haven't checked the german distro for a while, but even they don't seem to get large shipments atm. so it's been a race everytime a new batch of wheels comes in. just take a look out for fakes, but as long as you buy from reputable shops, that shouldn't be a problem. but i've seen some spits sold online by some big retailers here that were assumed to be china fakes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 12, 2021, 06:37:57 PM
Things might just be starting to get back to what could be considered normal, with 5000 sets of wheels coming in to Australia recently, but still not as many options and lots of some, none of others.

Not a worry to me though, as it seems like there are plenty of the most sought after options.

For the people after very specific shapes and sizes and duro, you might have to go with whatever is more available, but I think that is better than riding some other brands that are out there.

There really is no better feeling wheel than Formula Four, especially the 99 duro which just holds up so much better than the 101, but again that is just an opinion shared by many.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moeb74 on March 13, 2021, 03:50:52 AM
Not sure if this was posted or not, but this was the insert that came with my wheels a few days ago
(https://i.ibb.co/4R8Qq1s/SF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GQWh6Hs)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 13, 2021, 07:17:49 AM
Not sure if this was posted or not, but this was the insert that came with my wheels a few days ago

That is the new one with the OG Classics on it, also looks cleaner in the 2 x 2 wheel packaging rather than the 4 x 1 longer packaging most F4 wheels come in and good detail on the pic too, which really helps.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GoldenGateHeights on March 13, 2021, 02:40:11 PM
Anyone tried the 97 duro Formula Four Classics? Huge fan of 80HD Chargers + OG Classics, but looking for something a little in-between for everyday use.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on March 13, 2021, 02:47:41 PM
Anyone tried the 97 duro Formula Four Classics? Huge fan of 80HD Chargers + OG Classics, but looking for something a little in-between for everyday use.

Yes I have the 54

They're amazing. The perfect wheel. Zero drawbacks.

Sounds like bullshit but it's true.

I am skating the ultra crust. Never really go to parks.
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Post by: GoldenGateHeights on March 13, 2021, 02:48:43 PM
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Anyone tried the 97 duro Formula Four Classics? Huge fan of 80HD Chargers + OG Classics, but looking for something a little in-between for everyday use.
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Yes I have the 54

They're amazing. The perfect wheel. Zero drawbacks.

Sounds like bullshit but it's true.

I am skating the ultra crust. Never really go to parks.

Ahhhh killer, will pick some up at the shop next week. Thanks!
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 13, 2021, 03:15:14 PM
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Anyone tried the 97 duro Formula Four Classics? Huge fan of 80HD Chargers + OG Classics, but looking for something a little in-between for everyday use.
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Yes I have the 54

They're amazing. The perfect wheel. Zero drawbacks.

Sounds like bullshit but it's true.

I am skating the ultra crust. Never really go to parks.

I second that emotion
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 13, 2021, 04:33:42 PM
I'm also a fan of 97a classics. They are not as durable as the 99s but like the above posters have said, no other drawbacks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CaptainCheeks on March 17, 2021, 05:39:56 AM
https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-formula-four-conical-full-56mm-97a-teal-natural-skateboard-wheels.html


If you can't wait for your local to swing em zumiez has the 97 a conical fulls in 54 and 56
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Post by: jay_nev on March 17, 2021, 06:48:27 AM
https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-formula-four-conical-full-56mm-97a-teal-natural-skateboard-wheels.html


If you can't wait for your local to swing em zumiez has the 97 a conical fulls in 54 and 56
they would.
just set up my 97a classics and have nfg v-cut in 95a, just need to keep riding these. maybe replace the classics eventually depending how they wear
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Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 17, 2021, 06:52:27 AM
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https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-formula-four-conical-full-56mm-97a-teal-natural-skateboard-wheels.html


If you can't wait for your local to swing em zumiez has the 97 a conical fulls in 54 and 56
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they would.
just set up my 97a classics and have nfg v-cut in 95a, just need to keep riding these. maybe replace the classics eventually depending how they wear

I’d be curious to hear how the F4 97’s compare with the NFG 95’s feel, slide, etc... if you feel like sharing!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on March 17, 2021, 06:57:40 AM
I was under the impression they stopped doing the classic fulls since the addition of the tablets and OGs.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on March 17, 2021, 07:41:23 AM
Can't find them nfg anywhere in europe
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 17, 2021, 09:41:15 AM
Can't find them nfg anywhere in europe

I doubt you would find any outside US, or many outside SF local shops, as they are very limited in production, but that is just an impression I get.


Interesting the 97a conical full wheels are already out there in 54 and 56 that I have seen so far.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: commander jameson on March 18, 2021, 02:03:17 AM
Anyone know anything about these Spitfire F4 wheels.
They started showing up in Europe and they are cheaper than usual, if they are legit they seems like good deal if you like smaller wheels.
(https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1ikhi6x/image/upload/w_914,c_limit/q_auto:low,f_auto/products/vjfd6qfwtuliteibeibp)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on March 18, 2021, 02:50:46 AM
anyone see the concial full 97a in 58mm or was that just a sick joke?
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Post by: jay_nev on March 18, 2021, 02:55:10 AM
anyone see the concial full 97a in 58mm or was that just a sick joke?
zumiez has em but shops should be soon/any week now/whenever next dlx delivery
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2021, 03:03:37 AM
Anyone know anything about these Spitfire F4 wheels.
They started showing up in Europe and they are cheaper than usual, if they are legit they seems like good deal if you like smaller wheels.

Lil smokies - single print wheels with minimal packaging which are cheaper to produce, usually only in 50mm 101 duro, but seem to be in a few shapes, including classic, tablet and even conical from what people had said and what I had seen online.

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Spitfire-Lil-Smokies-50mm-101a-natural-500x500.jpg)

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Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2021, 03:16:39 AM
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zumiez has em but shops should be soon/any week now/whenever next dlx delivery

I thought they only had 54 and 56 sizes.

They are definitely in production, so as you said, I would imagine that the good skate shops would be getting some in whenever they next get wheels.

I still cannot see any online anywhere though, but I haven't seen any besides on the Spitfire instagram either.

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Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 18, 2021, 06:32:13 AM
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Anyone know anything about these Spitfire F4 wheels.
They started showing up in Europe and they are cheaper than usual, if they are legit they seems like good deal if you like smaller wheels.
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Lil smokies - single print wheels with minimal packaging which are cheaper to produce, usually only in 50mm 101 duro, but seem to be in a few shapes, including classic, tablet and even conical from what people had said and what I had seen online.

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Spitfire-Lil-Smokies-50mm-101a-natural-500x500.jpg)

I skated a set and I know a couple other people did. Skated like normal F4s. I kind of love how they look with the minimal graphics and all.
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Post by: rocklobster on March 18, 2021, 07:57:35 AM
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Anyone know anything about these Spitfire F4 wheels.
They started showing up in Europe and they are cheaper than usual, if they are legit they seems like good deal if you like smaller wheels.
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Lil smokies - single print wheels with minimal packaging which are cheaper to produce, usually only in 50mm 101 duro, but seem to be in a few shapes, including classic, tablet and even conical from what people had said and what I had seen online.

(https://www.longboarderlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Spitfire-Lil-Smokies-50mm-101a-natural-500x500.jpg)
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I skated a set and I know a couple other people did. Skated like normal F4s. I kind of love how they look with the minimal graphics and all.

I wish Spitfire had their full range in F4 with a plain graphic, even though I love the graphic wheels of the 2010s. Doubt they would do that if it meant canabalizing their F4 brand and price tag.
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Post by: Fooj on March 18, 2021, 10:53:38 AM
My local has them, but only 50s. I was guessing just an effort to get product out there quick
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Post by: jay_nev on March 18, 2021, 10:55:42 AM
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zumiez has em but shops should be soon/any week now/whenever next dlx delivery
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I thought they only had 54 and 56 sizes.

They are definitely in production, so as you said, I would imagine that the good skate shops would be getting some in whenever they next get wheels.

I still cannot see any online anywhere though, but I haven't seen any besides on the Spitfire instagram either.


yeah you’re right I misread. Got some time on my 97a classics and they’re sweet, the conical fills could be the perfect wheel
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Post by: superleftswipebby on March 18, 2021, 11:10:49 AM
anyone tried the f4 og classics in 60mm?
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Post by: Bristol_Palin on March 18, 2021, 11:12:32 AM
anyone tried the f4 og classics in 60mm?

I just got them in F4 OG classics in 58mm and I just the board up last week, but they feel good. Love a big wheel and love the look and shape.

I am curious what side most people have the stripes facing with these. I've always been graphics in and there really isn't anything on the other side so I have the stripes on the inside.
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Post by: jay_nev on March 18, 2021, 03:31:38 PM
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I just got them in F4 OG classics in 58mm and I just the board up last week, but they feel good. Love a big wheel and love the look and shape.

I am curious what side most people have the stripes facing with these. I've always been graphics in and there really isn't anything on the other side so I have the stripes on the inside.
yeah I put swirls facing in. Text out same w classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 18, 2021, 03:33:00 PM
3 in. Front toe side wheel out.
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Post by: superleftswipebby on March 18, 2021, 09:01:42 PM
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anyone tried the f4 og classics in 60mm?
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I just got them in F4 OG classics in 58mm and I just the board up last week, but they feel good. Love a big wheel and love the look and shape.

I am curious what side most people have the stripes facing with these. I've always been graphics in and there really isn't anything on the other side so I have the stripes on the inside.

are those joints sticky? been running 99 conical fulls in 56 and they were hella sticky at the park
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on March 24, 2021, 08:47:03 PM
@Mbrimson88

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMz1BymFyX0/?igshid=1nso510pcsv8t

Making 97a classics in 53mm now... not much different than the 54mm we already have
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 24, 2021, 09:39:00 PM
@Mbrimson88

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMz1BymFyX0/?igshid=1nso510pcsv8t

Making 97a classics in 53mm now... not much different than the 54mm we already have

Yeah, I hadn't even checked Instagram today.

But it is amazing how many people don't want to ride 54mm or bigger when it comes to wheels.

I know lots of people are strictly 52mm, but will ride 53 if they have to, also saying 54 are just too big and wide and whatever else.  I think it is all down to personal preference and a lot of people (pro and normal alike) ride slightly smaller wheels on their regular board, so it was a "popular demand" option, same as lots of people wanted the 97 duro in conical full, which they have done.

I would be stoked to get classic 56mm and once they wear down to about 52 or so it is perfect, but that is just me.

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Post by: munchbox on March 24, 2021, 10:06:28 PM
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@Mbrimson88

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMz1BymFyX0/?igshid=1nso510pcsv8t

Making 97a classics in 53mm now... not much different than the 54mm we already have
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Yeah, I hadn't even checked Instagram today.

But it is amazing how many people don't want to ride 54mm or bigger when it comes to wheels.

I know lots of people are strictly 52mm, but will ride 53 if they have to, also saying 54 are just too big and wide and whatever else.  I think it is all down to personal preference and a lot of people (pro and normal alike) ride slightly smaller wheels on their regular board, so it was a "popular demand" option, same as lots of people wanted the 97 duro in conical full, which they have done.

I would be stoked to get classic 56mm and once they wear down to about 52 or so it is perfect, but that is just me.
56 conical full worn to the 49-53 range is my favorite.

back when i rode thunders i couldnt handle 53s but big wheels and ventures has been dreamy. think i could max out with 58s no risers but doubt the extra 2mm contact patch is worth the wheelbite.

found that big wheels/light trucks is my go to over small wheels/standard trucks, the "weight" feels better on the end of the axles imo
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 25, 2021, 12:06:17 AM
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Making 97a classics in 53mm now... not much different than the 54mm we already have
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Yeah, I hadn't even checked Instagram today.

But it is amazing how many people don't want to ride 54mm or bigger when it comes to wheels.

I know lots of people are strictly 52mm, but will ride 53 if they have to, also saying 54 are just too big and wide and whatever else.  I think it is all down to personal preference and a lot of people (pro and normal alike) ride slightly smaller wheels on their regular board, so it was a "popular demand" option, same as lots of people wanted the 97 duro in conical full, which they have done.

I would be stoked to get classic 56mm and once they wear down to about 52 or so it is perfect, but that is just me.
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56 conical full worn to the 49-53 range is my favorite.

back when i rode thunders i couldnt handle 53s but big wheels and ventures has been dreamy. think i could max out with 58s no risers but doubt the extra 2mm contact patch is worth the wheelbite.

found that big wheels/light trucks is my go to over small wheels/standard trucks, the "weight" feels better on the end of the axles imo

I keep thinking I should post some of these ebay listings for wheels (US) but forget, but there are what seems like some good ones on there, decent sizes, if you like worn down or even lightly used Spitfire F4 wheels.


Conical full 99a 56mm used so down a mm or so:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Conical-Full-56-mm-99A-Formula-Four-Classic-Tablets-OG-Lock-ins-Radials/264911268143


And some other listings:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/SPITFIRE-ROWAN-ZORILLA-NECKFACE-F4-99A-WHEELS-55MM-skateboard-thrasher-skate-ftp/133696353839

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FuckingAwesome-X-Spitfire-Skateboard-Wheels-55mm-Formula-Four-F4-Conical-Full/353424511754

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Formula-Four-F4-52mm-Conical-99DU-Skateboard-Wheels-Used-DLXSF/154388212870

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Formula-4-Classic-Skateboard-Wheels-56mm-99a-Blue-Used/184720983876

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-Skateboard-Wheels-52mm-F4-OG-Classics-99A-Formula-Four/284199503278
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
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56mm for the crust setup
(https://i.ibb.co/dDF3PD2/0-C7-EE981-38-C5-4-F22-95-F1-F747-D6-B7525-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dDF3PD2)
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That is the first set of those I have seen anywhere (other than the stock / catalog pics).

They already seem to be in very short supply, according to a few others I have talked to.


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like selling out before they even hit shelves? Or just didn’t make that many?
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A bit of both - something along the lines of "demand exceeded production in unprecedented levels" for all DLX hardgoods, so I guess more people want them than ever, but they are still trying to catch up from covid issues.


I still haven't heard if those other 97s in the info are just the normal Classic or OG classic though...

Not a worry to me either way, but I know people would love a 97 OG classic!
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interesting. Hopefully they adjust their production/orders in the near future if they see the demand for 97a. I’m loving my 97a 54mm classics.  I’d like to try the 56mm and I think I’d rather have the conical full over og classics. Either way though, I’d take either
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asked for the shipment date a week ahead, figured they would be gone immediately.

was the only set they had (left?) in the glass. couldve been more in the back but i wouldnt bet on it

I see a couple of sets here for Black Market Skates, so I guess they are making their way to shops now, some sooner than others.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CM0aVPCluMY/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on March 25, 2021, 07:53:12 AM
I put conical fulls on my egg and not really stoked on them. Feels harder to look into crooks and with Thunders they stick on noseslides a lot. Will the rounded side of the OG classic be a bit better?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diocletian on March 25, 2021, 08:41:57 AM
I'm just praying that they come out with some 60mm conical fulls or even the OG classics shape in a 97a duro. I feel weird skating other brands just to find this size/duro combo. NFG had the 95a's in the "vee" shape in 58-60mm I believe, but it's too much of a straight cut on the sides and I imagine it will make slappies/coping a bit uncomfortable even though it's a softer duro.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: greenreese on March 25, 2021, 08:49:39 AM
I put conical fulls on my egg and not really stoked on them. Feels harder to look into crooks and with Thunders they stick on noseslides a lot. Will the rounded side of the OG classic be a bit better?

OG Classics have a more square cut than the Conical Fulls.  Almost like a sidecut tablet.  They don't have that big taper like the normal Classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on March 25, 2021, 09:07:12 AM
I put conical fulls on my egg and not really stoked on them. Feels harder to look into crooks and with Thunders they stick on noseslides a lot. Will the rounded side of the OG classic be a bit better?

I believe the solution for you may be radials, my friend.  Wide and super grippy, but with a rounded sidewall that doesn't bow like a classic.  They lock in in on bowl coping really nice, won't loop out easily at full speed, slide nicely when you want, and are great on ledges and flatbars.  I'm on radials right now while on a huge crooked grind kick, and they feel great.  I also think they're better for flatground stuff than conical fulls because the radial sidewall tips a little easier for scoopy stuff like 360 flips, but that could be in my head. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 25, 2021, 09:11:55 AM
Seconded on Radial Sims, like them more than Tablets.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 25, 2021, 09:55:51 AM
Seconded on Radial Sims, like them more than Tablets.

Radial Slims are the best shape!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on March 25, 2021, 10:26:30 AM
One session down with my first F4s (99A Tablets). I am blown away by how perfectly balanced they feel. I wanted considerably more grip and a smoother ride on rough ground compared to Bones SPF 84B, but was hoping for similar slide and speed. They totally deliver.

Doing flat tricks on asphalt they felt much more forgiving, really smooth but nevertheless with a controlled slide. In the concrete bowl I didn’t feel a notable difference in slide but was able to push the corners much harder without wiping out. Didn’t skate any ledges today but I am not too worried since I don’t do Nose- and Tailslides.

Bottomline, I am glad the 97A weren’t available in any of the wide shapes when I ordered, 99A feels just right. Still keen to try 97A Tablets or Conical Full at some point but I think I found my perfect wheel. Thanks to everyone who helped me make up my mind in this thread!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on March 25, 2021, 11:21:17 AM
Great, the perfect shapes are the ones I can never find in natural colored 99a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on March 25, 2021, 12:37:01 PM
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Seconded on Radial Sims, like them more than Tablets.
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Radial Slims are the best shape!

Slims dont get enough love, hopefully we start seeing more around soon
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stlfromca on March 25, 2021, 02:00:07 PM
I just purchased the 97 F4 56 classics from my local. I have this theory in my head that has me convinced I'm going to feel like I'm riding regular 99 56 MM wheels. This being because formula 4 usually feels like a harder durometer compared to the classic urethane so being in 97 formula 4 I think it's going to feel like a 99 but either way I'm excited to try them. I just barely purchased my first set of formula for wheels a couple months back the 52 mm conical folds and I absolutely love them but since moving to St Louis and skating a lot of crusty spots I need to get a significantly bigger wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 25, 2021, 06:03:37 PM
Great, the perfect shapes are the ones I can never find in natural colored 99a

From those two boards you put up in the other thread, swap over the wheels and see what a difference it makes on the other setup too.

So you had just normal classics, now you bought conical full, which are about the same width overall, but the conical full are much squarer at the riding surface and definitely catch a lot more on things like crooked grinds, but once you are more used to them, they still work just as well for almost everything else.

Skate the classics again and compare the difference.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: passtheish on March 25, 2021, 06:20:16 PM
Managed to get a set from a zumiez a couple towns over, they only had one and figured I'd scoop em up

(https://i.imgur.com/FRt7ORn.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Monkey on March 25, 2021, 08:06:41 PM
Perspective on that picture is trippy.
Looks like 2 completely different sizes of wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 25, 2021, 10:37:04 PM
I just purchased the 97 F4 56 classics from my local. I have this theory in my head that has me convinced I'm going to feel like I'm riding regular 99 56 MM wheels. This being because formula 4 usually feels like a harder durometer compared to the classic urethane so being in 97 formula 4 I think it's going to feel like a 99 but either way I'm excited to try them. I just barely purchased my first set of formula for wheels a couple months back the 52 mm conical folds and I absolutely love them but since moving to St Louis and skating a lot of crusty spots I need to get a significantly bigger wheel.

What’s your setup? I ask because 56 is tall as hell, for me. You using risers or whut
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Stlfromca on March 26, 2021, 10:01:19 AM
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I just purchased the 97 F4 56 classics from my local. I have this theory in my head that has me convinced I'm going to feel like I'm riding regular 99 56 MM wheels. This being because formula 4 usually feels like a harder durometer compared to the classic urethane so being in 97 formula 4 I think it's going to feel like a 99 but either way I'm excited to try them. I just barely purchased my first set of formula for wheels a couple months back the 52 mm conical folds and I absolutely love them but since moving to St Louis and skating a lot of crusty spots I need to get a significantly bigger wheel.
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What’s your setup? I ask because 56 is tall as hell, for me. You using risers or whut

Yep but when they wear to 53-54 mm they are perfect. I am putting them on venture 5.2 hi with risers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on March 29, 2021, 12:16:40 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/sbtHHbp/IMG-0964.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TYrLLYD)
I look at the pack in card that got posted earlier in the thread on the regular so I thought I'd update with most recent card. This one is from the CF 97As so is about as fresh as you can get.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 29, 2021, 04:10:56 AM
I look at the pack in card that got posted earlier in the thread on the regular so I thought I'd update with most recent card. This one is from the CF 97As so is about as fresh as you can get.

Thanks!

That is so good with all dimensions very easy to see, actually easier than looking at the card I have here which seems to have the same information.

I don't recall seeing Radials in 57mm, which are on the card. * Just looked them up - they were the Oski special editions.

Every other size I have had in the shop before covid or at least seen in some form or other, including the Kader special edition Radials in 58mm that I don't think I would ever see again.


Anyone else missing any shapes or sizes that they had out before things went ass up?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hobochimp on March 29, 2021, 10:54:17 AM
Are Lock-ins discontinued? I have not seen them in a while.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on March 29, 2021, 11:21:30 AM
Are Lock-ins discontinued? I have not seen them in a while.

My friends who swear by Lock-ins always complain about availability. One of them bought 10 packs or something when he visited NYC before the pandemic. Definitely dedicated to this wheel. I don’t quite get the appeal, aren’t Tablets the lighter Lock-ins?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hobochimp on March 29, 2021, 12:48:54 PM
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Are Lock-ins discontinued? I have not seen them in a while.
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My friends who swear by Lock-ins always complain about availability. One of them bought 10 packs or something when he visited NYC before the pandemic. Definitely dedicated to this wheel. I don’t quite get the appeal, aren’t Tablets the lighter Lock-ins?

My experience with lock-ins vs. tablets is that the lock-ins have a wider riding surface and the tablets feel super thin. The rounded outside edge of the lock-ins is nice too for doing slappies or getting onto a ledge bc I find that if I don’t have enough height the rounded edge rolls onto the ledge/curb and then the conical edge on the inside keeps me locked in. This could all be just my own gear madness but I keep coming back to my old faithful lock-ins and having a better experience than with tablets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 29, 2021, 04:43:34 PM
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Are Lock-ins discontinued? I have not seen them in a while.
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My friends who swear by Lock-ins always complain about availability. One of them bought 10 packs or something when he visited NYC before the pandemic. Definitely dedicated to this wheel. I don’t quite get the appeal, aren’t Tablets the lighter Lock-ins?
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My experience with lock-ins vs. tablets is that the lock-ins have a wider riding surface and the tablets feel super thin. The rounded outside edge of the lock-ins is nice too for doing slappies or getting onto a ledge bc I find that if I don’t have enough height the rounded edge rolls onto the ledge/curb and then the conical edge on the inside keeps me locked in. This could all be just my own gear madness but I keep coming back to my old faithful lock-ins and having a better experience than with tablets

There are definitely some Lock-ins around, but maybe as has been said before, tablets have the same inside edge and as per the chart above, almost the same dimensions (and riding surface) in the same sizes without the curved outside edge, so the push more towards tablets has been a bit more pronounced.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: radcunt on March 30, 2021, 04:41:13 AM
The 56mm 97a Classics are my fuckin' wheel.  LOVE em.  Great for slappies, too. They just pop onto the curbs unlike my old bones STF.  And the touch of give while still being a hard wheel is fuckin' sick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SuperRupp on April 01, 2021, 02:23:57 AM
Just getting back into skating. Setup a new board with Swiss 6s in a pair of 97a 54mm classics on some Indy hollows. Seems to be working quite well so far.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on April 06, 2021, 01:34:23 PM
Had an issue with one wheel in a set of 80HD chargers - bearing would fall out - and wrote to Spitfire. They sent me a set of the 97a conicals (as they were out of Chargers) as a replacement. I'm excited to set those up.

And as an added plus, when I told my local shop I got the Chargers from about it, they said they had a bunch of batches with bad wheels and gave me a loosey from a different set they popped open.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on April 06, 2021, 01:43:44 PM
Had an issue with one wheel in a set of 80HD chargers - bearing would fall out - and wrote to Spitfire. They sent me a set of the 97a conicals (as they were out of Chargers) as a replacement. I'm excited to set those up.

And as an added plus, when I told my local shop I got the Chargers from about it, they said they had a bunch of batches with bad wheels and gave me a loosey from a different set they popped open.


go nuts with those 97a conicals. The 97a formula rules. Chargers are something to stay away from to be honest, I’d move to another brand for a true cruiser wheel sad to say
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 06, 2021, 01:50:27 PM
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Had an issue with one wheel in a set of 80HD chargers - bearing would fall out - and wrote to Spitfire. They sent me a set of the 97a conicals (as they were out of Chargers) as a replacement. I'm excited to set those up.

And as an added plus, when I told my local shop I got the Chargers from about it, they said they had a bunch of batches with bad wheels and gave me a loosey from a different set they popped open.


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go nuts with those 97a conicals. The 97a formula rules. Chargers are something to stay away from to be honest, I’d move to another brand for a true cruiser wheel sad to say
I’ve had two sets of chargers probably ten years apart and both sucked. The ricta clouds were the play for me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on April 06, 2021, 01:54:14 PM
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Had an issue with one wheel in a set of 80HD chargers - bearing would fall out - and wrote to Spitfire. They sent me a set of the 97a conicals (as they were out of Chargers) as a replacement. I'm excited to set those up.

And as an added plus, when I told my local shop I got the Chargers from about it, they said they had a bunch of batches with bad wheels and gave me a loosey from a different set they popped open.


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go nuts with those 97a conicals. The 97a formula rules. Chargers are something to stay away from to be honest, I’d move to another brand for a true cruiser wheel sad to say

I have the 97a classics on one of my setups and love em. So I plan on sitting on the conicals until I wear out the classics. 

I got the Chargers for a wide 10" curb/crust board. I have em on already, so I'm just gonna run with them for now. Worst case, I'll jump to OJ keyframes instead.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 06, 2021, 02:03:48 PM
Where the fuck are those 97a F4OG classics at?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 06, 2021, 02:09:36 PM
Had an issue with one wheel in a set of 80HD chargers - bearing would fall out - and wrote to Spitfire. They sent me a set of the 97a conicals (as they were out of Chargers) as a replacement. I'm excited to set those up.

And as an added plus, when I told my local shop I got the Chargers from about it, they said they had a bunch of batches with bad wheels and gave me a loosey from a different set they popped open.

Haha I had three bad batches of chargers and finally wrote to them about the last one. They offered me a replacement set and I asked for 99a’s. They agreed, then sent me another set of chargers haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on April 06, 2021, 02:27:20 PM
Where the fuck are those 97a F4OG classics at?
only classic and conical full to my knowledge. I think the OG classic 97a was a misprint/rumor only
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 06, 2021, 05:29:24 PM
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Where the fuck are those 97a F4OG classics at?
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only classic and conical full to my knowledge. I think the OG classic 97a was a misprint/rumor only

That's a bummer, I was holding out...just bit on the 97a 54mm conical fulls that are out....so be it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 07, 2021, 06:44:26 AM
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Where the fuck are those 97a F4OG classics at?
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only classic and conical full to my knowledge. I think the OG classic 97a was a misprint/rumor only
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That's a bummer, I was holding out...just bit on the 97a 54mm conical fulls that are out....so be it.

Yes, as Jay said, there was a mix up and they put the pic of OG Classic instead of the normal Classic in the shop / distro catalog for the 97 duro spread, which then found its way into places like Slap pals posts. They definitely said only Classic in 54 and 56, Conical Full in 54 and 56 with the hint of some 58 mm but none anywhere I have seen so far.

I have been offline a lot lately though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dong Hanglo on April 08, 2021, 04:45:26 PM
What's the verdict on the 97a FF?

Mega interested in rolling a pair. I'm coming from riding Spitfire Classic no formula style.

Is it going to be too soft for my comfort zone?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 08, 2021, 04:56:14 PM
What's the verdict on the 97a FF?

Mega interested in rolling a pair. I'm coming from riding Spitfire Classic no formula style.

Is it going to be too soft for my comfort zone?



Just set up some 54mm Conical Fulls, 97a today, going to test them out on rough terrain over the next couple of days.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 08, 2021, 07:27:34 PM
Been skating the 97a CF 56mm for a couple days now. So good. Fast, smooth, slides great.

I guess it's because of some of the shittier spots and how the handle crust but the feel so fast that it almost caught me off guard.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 08, 2021, 07:36:30 PM
What's the verdict on the 97a FF?

Mega interested in rolling a pair. I'm coming from riding Spitfire Classic no formula style.

Is it going to be too soft for my comfort zone?

I've posted my review several times but the verdict is good. Perfect for crusty spots but also good for super slick spots. They are slower than the 99s in skateparks and they wear down a bit quicker also but that's to be expected from a softer wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on April 08, 2021, 08:02:39 PM
97a all day I don’t ride smooth parks so I don’t see a reason for anything else
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 08, 2021, 11:06:24 PM
I've written loads of times here... They are imo... The best wheel ever made.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: drinny on April 09, 2021, 05:47:33 AM
Really wanna try these 97a Conicals... waiting for stock to hit UK again, see how they roll vs. Keyframes (which I love but can stick on ledges/board slides if you’re not a bit careful)

Also curious about those Hazard Wheels in the lock-in shape... but a 97a duzitall wheel would be nirvana finally.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on April 09, 2021, 03:43:02 PM
56mm conical full 97a

skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 09, 2021, 03:53:38 PM
56mm conical full 97a

skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good

Right? Maybe it's just how much better they are with shitty east coast streets but I can't believe how fast they are.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on April 09, 2021, 05:37:12 PM
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56mm conical full 97a

skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good
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Right? Maybe it's just how much better they are with shitty east coast streets but I can't believe how fast they are.
either way they fucking go.

really dont see the need for another wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on April 10, 2021, 01:05:35 AM
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56mm conical full 97a

skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good
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Right? Maybe it's just how much better they are with shitty east coast streets but I can't believe how fast they are.
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either way they fucking go.

really dont see the need for another wheel

Same here guys.

It's funny I took out my 7.6 quiver yesterday on the brutal Dublin streets. I got 99a f4s on it.

Man I could really really feel the difference in my legs this morning. So sore.

I'm 97a for life.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 10, 2021, 10:58:06 AM
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56mm conical full 97a

skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good
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Right? Maybe it's just how much better they are with shitty east coast streets but I can't believe how fast they are.
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either way they fucking go.

really dont see the need for another wheel
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Same here guys.

It's funny I took out my 7.6 quiver yesterday on the brutal Dublin streets. I got 99a f4s on it.

Man I could really really feel the difference in my legs this morning. So sore.

I'm 97a for life.

The 97a Spits are the real deal. They feel just a tad slower than the 99a but just roll over anything. I'm sold.

Slide great, and will still slide out if you are not careful, but legit feel like a cruiser wheel when cruising and a regular wheel when you want them to be. I skate crusty spots these days so they're perfect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 10, 2021, 02:44:13 PM
The Spigire 97a
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56mm conical full 97a

skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good
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Right? Maybe it's just how much better they are with shitty east coast streets but I can't believe how fast they are.
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either way they fucking go.

really dont see the need for another wheel
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Same here guys.

It's funny I took out my 7.6 quiver yesterday on the brutal Dublin streets. I got 99a f4s on it.

Man I could really really feel the difference in my legs this morning. So sore.

I'm 97a for life.
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The 97a Spits are the real deal. They feel just a tad slower than the 99a but just roll over anything. I'm sold.

Slide great, and will still slide out if you are not careful, but legit feel like a cruiser wheel when cruising and a regular wheel when you want them to be. I skate crusty spots these days so they're perfect.

How much ledge skating do you do? Curious as that’s what I skate 90% of the time. The 97as sound great, but I’m thinking they will be too sticky. I know you said they still slide, but how much harder is it to say nose slide ? Lip slide/blunt slides?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: palelight on April 10, 2021, 02:51:18 PM
Anyone have a chance to compare the 97a Spits to 95a Oj Nomads? Seem to be trying to hit the same market. Always loyal to Spitfire, but I do dig Oj's for softer stuff ...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FirstBlood82 on April 10, 2021, 03:01:37 PM
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56mm conical full 97a

skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good
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Right? Maybe it's just how much better they are with shitty east coast streets but I can't believe how fast they are.
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either way they fucking go.

really dont see the need for another wheel
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Same here guys.

It's funny I took out my 7.6 quiver yesterday on the brutal Dublin streets. I got 99a f4s on it.

Man I could really really feel the difference in my legs this morning. So sore.

I'm 97a for life.
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The 97a Spits are the real deal. They feel just a tad slower than the 99a but just roll over anything. I'm sold.

Slide great, and will still slide out if you are not careful, but legit feel like a cruiser wheel when cruising and a regular wheel when you want them to be. I skate crusty spots these days so they're perfect.
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How much ledge skating do you do? Curious as that’s what I skate 90% of the time. The 97as sound great, but I’m thinking they will be too sticky. I know you said they still slide, but how much harder is it to say nose slide ? Lip slide/blunt slides?

bluntslides was no problem with 97, lipslide dont know (forbidden 14)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 10, 2021, 03:47:19 PM
Anyone have a chance to compare the 97a Spits to 95a Oj Nomads? Seem to be trying to hit the same market. Always loyal to Spitfire, but I do dig Oj's for softer stuff ...

I've posted a comparison in other threads a few times now. Long story short, both really good wheels that roll as advertised. I prefer the spits as they feel closer to what I usually ride (F4 99as). However the OJs really impressed me also.

The OJs feel like a legit 95 and the Spits a legit 97. Both were almost impossible to flatspot, or chip. Both seem to wear slightly faster than harder wheels but both also seemed faster than other wheels I've used in those durometers.

Crusty streets or super slick indoor spots. Can't go wrong with either.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: palelight on April 10, 2021, 03:52:53 PM
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Anyone have a chance to compare the 97a Spits to 95a Oj Nomads? Seem to be trying to hit the same market. Always loyal to Spitfire, but I do dig Oj's for softer stuff ...
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I've posted a comparison in other threads a few times now. Long story short, both really good wheels that roll as advertised. I prefer the spits as they feel closer to what I usually ride (F4 99as). However the OJs really impressed me also.

The OJs feel like a legit 95 and the Spits a legit 97. Both were almost impossible to flatspot, or chip. Both seem to wear slightly faster than harder wheels but both also seemed faster than other wheels I've used in those durometers.

Crusty streets or super slick indoor spots. Can't go wrong with either.

Much obliged!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on April 11, 2021, 11:01:26 AM
Can anyone tell what shape and size wheels these are? Those are Indy 149's and Jaakko is on Spitfire.

(https://i.imgur.com/gcFqxyu.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on April 11, 2021, 11:06:30 AM
^52 F4 OG Classics would be my guess
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Post by: mbam003 on April 11, 2021, 12:41:42 PM
DC Domino came out 9 months ago, I guess the F4 OG classics came out later? My 52mm F4 Tablets look tiny on my 149s. I figured maybe the wheels in the picture are a little bit bigger?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 11, 2021, 01:57:35 PM
Can anyone tell what shape and size wheels these are? Those are Indy 149's and Jaakko is on Spitfire.

(https://i.imgur.com/gcFqxyu.jpg)

These look like 53mm radials to me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 11, 2021, 02:08:02 PM
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skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good
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Right? Maybe it's just how much better they are with shitty east coast streets but I can't believe how fast they are.
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either way they fucking go.

really dont see the need for another wheel
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Same here guys.

It's funny I took out my 7.6 quiver yesterday on the brutal Dublin streets. I got 99a f4s on it.

Man I could really really feel the difference in my legs this morning. So sore.

I'm 97a for life.
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The 97a Spits are the real deal. They feel just a tad slower than the 99a but just roll over anything. I'm sold.

Slide great, and will still slide out if you are not careful, but legit feel like a cruiser wheel when cruising and a regular wheel when you want them to be. I skate crusty spots these days so they're perfect.
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How much ledge skating do you do? Curious as that’s what I skate 90% of the time. The 97as sound great, but I’m thinking they will be too sticky. I know you said they still slide, but how much harder is it to say nose slide ? Lip slide/blunt slides?

A fair amount; they are bit stickier than 99s but just a tiny bit, we're talking 2 duro difference here...I had no problems with blunt slides and didn't feel them sticking on grinds.

So I'm stating the obvious but clearly classic and conical full are the most popular shapes as they get the full spectrum duro treatment spit offers. I'd love to see the radial slim in this duro.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on April 11, 2021, 06:14:24 PM
Just put on some 101 conical fulls (first time on 101 f4) and holy shit, they feel noticeably faster for me. Or at least it takes less push to get the same speed. Definitely not as comfy on the knees as the 99s but for now, I’m welcoming the change.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on April 11, 2021, 06:23:58 PM
I'll probably regret this but Parade just put up a bunch of listings for 97a CFs so shops probably have them in now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on April 12, 2021, 01:02:54 PM
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Can anyone tell what shape and size wheels these are? Those are Indy 149's and Jaakko is on Spitfire.

(https://i.imgur.com/gcFqxyu.jpg)
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These look like 53mm radials to me.

Such a difficult wheel to find!  :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on April 12, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
Just checking but there's no 97a f4s under 54mm right? Would be down for a 53 or 52 tbh, in a radial slim or something ideally.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 12, 2021, 02:39:33 PM
Just checking but there's no 97a f4s under 54mm right? Would be down for a 53 or 52 tbh, in a radial slim or something ideally.

They recently posted something about some 53mm classics coming soon in 97a.

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@Mbrimson88

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMz1BymFyX0/?igshid=1nso510pcsv8t

Making 97a classics in 53mm now... not much different than the 54mm we already have
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 12, 2021, 03:46:50 PM
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The Spigire 97a
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56mm conical full 97a

skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good
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Right? Maybe it's just how much better they are with shitty east coast streets but I can't believe how fast they are.
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either way they fucking go.

really dont see the need for another wheel
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Same here guys.

It's funny I took out my 7.6 quiver yesterday on the brutal Dublin streets. I got 99a f4s on it.

Man I could really really feel the difference in my legs this morning. So sore.

I'm 97a for life.
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The 97a Spits are the real deal. They feel just a tad slower than the 99a but just roll over anything. I'm sold.

Slide great, and will still slide out if you are not careful, but legit feel like a cruiser wheel when cruising and a regular wheel when you want them to be. I skate crusty spots these days so they're perfect.
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How much ledge skating do you do? Curious as that’s what I skate 90% of the time. The 97as sound great, but I’m thinking they will be too sticky. I know you said they still slide, but how much harder is it to say nose slide ? Lip slide/blunt slides?
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A fair amount; they are bit stickier than 99s but just a tiny bit, we're talking 2 duro difference here...I had no problems with blunt slides and didn't feel them sticking on grinds.

So I'm stating the obvious but clearly classic and conical full are the most popular shapes as they get the full spectrum duro treatment spit offers. I'd love to see the radial slim in this duro.

Thanks for the feedback pals. I also would prefer smaller than 54's and a different shape, lock ins or tablets ideally but radials would be cool too. I may just get a set to put on the neighborhood cruiser for when I take my dog on runs. You guys are liking them on rough asphalt? I have 80hds and they are fine as far as speed, but im never comfortable cruising as I can't power slide on hills.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 13, 2021, 01:03:12 PM
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The Spigire 97a
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56mm conical full 97a

skating new york streets and i cant see any reason to go back to 99a, or any other wheel for that point. they make my 2 year old reds feel like swiss over any terrain, they are that good
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Right? Maybe it's just how much better they are with shitty east coast streets but I can't believe how fast they are.
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either way they fucking go.

really dont see the need for another wheel
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Same here guys.

It's funny I took out my 7.6 quiver yesterday on the brutal Dublin streets. I got 99a f4s on it.

Man I could really really feel the difference in my legs this morning. So sore.

I'm 97a for life.
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The 97a Spits are the real deal. They feel just a tad slower than the 99a but just roll over anything. I'm sold.

Slide great, and will still slide out if you are not careful, but legit feel like a cruiser wheel when cruising and a regular wheel when you want them to be. I skate crusty spots these days so they're perfect.
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How much ledge skating do you do? Curious as that’s what I skate 90% of the time. The 97as sound great, but I’m thinking they will be too sticky. I know you said they still slide, but how much harder is it to say nose slide ? Lip slide/blunt slides?
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A fair amount; they are bit stickier than 99s but just a tiny bit, we're talking 2 duro difference here...I had no problems with blunt slides and didn't feel them sticking on grinds.

So I'm stating the obvious but clearly classic and conical full are the most popular shapes as they get the full spectrum duro treatment spit offers. I'd love to see the radial slim in this duro.
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Thanks for the feedback pals. I also would prefer smaller than 54's and a different shape, lock ins or tablets ideally but radials would be cool too. I may just get a set to put on the neighborhood cruiser for when I take my dog on runs. You guys are liking them on rough asphalt? I have 80hds and they are fine as far as speed, but im never comfortable cruising as I can't power slide on hills.

They're really great wheels .- more sizes would be very welcome tho...I still have high hopes for an OG classic in 97a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: saltusnaut on April 16, 2021, 07:39:34 AM
Had a session with 56mm 97a classic in our slippery masonite indoor park.
Best wheels ive tried for that senario. Felt so powerful with that little bit of extra grip compared to 99a.
I have high hopes for the summer and crusty Streets around my home town.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 16, 2021, 09:52:07 AM
Anyone else find that 101 F4s actually grip a little better than the 99s?  I started riding some 101 radial slims this week expecting them to be slipperier, but I find they grab a little better on dusty ground and they're faster to boot.  Maybe it's just my imagination, but it's almost like they are to the 99s what Bones SPF is to STF.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on April 16, 2021, 10:19:14 AM
Anyone else find that 101 F4s actually grip a little better than the 99s?  I started riding some 101 radial slims this week expecting them to be slipperier, but I find they grab a little better on dusty ground and they're faster to boot.  Maybe it's just my imagination, but it's almost like they are to the 99s what Bones SPF is to STF.

I’ve noticed the same for all my 101 F4 also. Surprising! I wonder if that applies to other wheels too, like Oj elites. My bones 99’s are definitely way grippier than their harder formulas so it doesn’t hold there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Eggie Vedder on April 16, 2021, 11:21:38 AM
I’m about to get some new wheels. I’ve skated the spitfire classics 54mm forever. I mainly skate ledges and 4-5 foot transition. The ground around me is comically bad so 55mm 97a seems really appealing but I’m worried about pulling the trigger. Can you still power slide normally with something that soft? Does it feel more like a cruiser wheel or regular wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FirstBlood82 on April 16, 2021, 11:39:28 AM
I’m about to get some new wheels. I’ve skated the spitfire classics 54mm forever. I mainly skate ledges and 4-5 foot transition. The ground around me is comically bad so 55mm 97a seems really appealing but I’m worried about pulling the trigger. Can you still power slide normally with something that soft? Does it feel more like a cruiser wheel or regular wheel.

for me it is hard to powerslide at the concretepark, have not tried on asphalt
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 16, 2021, 11:43:52 AM
I’m about to get some new wheels. I’ve skated the spitfire classics 54mm forever. I mainly skate ledges and 4-5 foot transition. The ground around me is comically bad so 55mm 97a seems really appealing but I’m worried about pulling the trigger. Can you still power slide normally with something that soft? Does it feel more like a cruiser wheel or regular wheel.

Like a regular wheel. I think people expect these to feel like a keyframe or something, but these are a lot closer to a 99 but a little more forgiving. Same bark and slide though.

For reference I skate mostly curb spots in an east coast city.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on April 16, 2021, 11:48:16 AM
Anyone else find that 101 F4s actually grip a little better than the 99s?  I started riding some 101 radial slims this week expecting them to be slipperier, but I find they grab a little better on dusty ground and they're faster to boot.  Maybe it's just my imagination, but it's almost like they are to the 99s what Bones SPF is to STF.

In my opinion the slide/grip ratio has everything to do with the ride patch width. Had some 51 Classic 101's - these have to be the slipperiest wheels I have ever used. These things were nasty slippery on masonite. Then got 52 Tablets 99 - those are as solid as a rock in comparison. Have to actually work them to get them to slide. They are slower compared to wheels with a slim riding patch, but I'll take that, especially indoors.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on April 16, 2021, 11:53:17 AM
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Anyone else find that 101 F4s actually grip a little better than the 99s?  I started riding some 101 radial slims this week expecting them to be slipperier, but I find they grab a little better on dusty ground and they're faster to boot.  Maybe it's just my imagination, but it's almost like they are to the 99s what Bones SPF is to STF.
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I’ve noticed the same for all my 101 F4 also. Surprising! I wonder if that applies to other wheels too, like Oj elites. My bones 99’s are definitely way grippier than their harder formulas so it doesn’t hold there.

Glad it's not just me then!  They still slide great, but they bark louder (which is fun) and they seem to allow more control when it comes to speed checks.  It's also nice on 180 tricks since you can power through while reverting with a little extra force and not worry as much about looping out.  They're an awesome park wheel, but they still feel too hard and slow on even ordinary asphalt.  I'll stick with 99s for slappies and what little street skating I actually do, unless and until I spring for some of the 97s everyone in here is constantly praising.

In my opinion the slide/grip ratio has everything to do with the ride patch width. Had some 51 Classic 101's - these have to be the slipperiest wheels I have ever used. These things were nasty slippery on masonite. Then got 52 Tablets 99 - those are as solid as a rock in comparison. Have to actually work them to get them to slide. They are slower compared to wheels with a slim riding patch, but I'll take that, especially indoors.

Yeah, I can definitely tell a difference between radials and radial slims in terms of how well they hold on, given how much wider radials are, but I'm comparing apples to apples here. I went from 54mm 99a radial slims to 54mm 101a radial slims and can definitely tell a difference in terms of how they grip, and it didn't go in the direction I'd have expected.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on April 16, 2021, 11:56:08 AM
Yeah, I can definitely tell a difference between radials and radial slims in terms of how well they hold on, given how much wider radials are, but I'm comparing apples to apples here. I went from 54mm 99a radial slims to 54mm 101a radial slims and can definitely tell a difference in terms of how they grip, and it didn't go in the direction I'd have expected.

Yup I get it, makes me wonder whether the 101 Tablets would grip like 99 Tablets on Masonite. If they do that would be amazing as they only complaint I have towards 99 Tablets is they're pretty slow.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on April 17, 2021, 08:30:42 AM
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Yeah, I can definitely tell a difference between radials and radial slims in terms of how well they hold on, given how much wider radials are, but I'm comparing apples to apples here. I went from 54mm 99a radial slims to 54mm 101a radial slims and can definitely tell a difference in terms of how they grip, and it didn't go in the direction I'd have expected.
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Yup I get it, makes me wonder whether the 101 Tablets would grip like 99 Tablets on Masonite. If they do that would be amazing as they only complaint I have towards 99 Tablets is they're pretty slow.

I have been riding 99A Tablets for a few weeks now after years of 104B SPFs. Contrary to what I expected, they don’t feel slower at all. On rough ground they smooth everything out a bit, which makes me add a push here and there. In the smooth concrete bowl I can push the corners harder. So effectively they are even faster but just rolling downhill on smooth ground doesn’t feel slower either.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on April 17, 2021, 09:55:59 PM
Lost a huge chunk of wheel on my 99a Radial Slims on a poorly maintained park ledge. The angle iron is coming out the ledge and probably look a bit off on a slide. They still roll fine, not feeling the missing chunk yet but it's a matter of time before it falls apart.
I got myself a set of Bones V3s and had plans to swap out but I've been spoiled by Spitfires.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zozu on April 18, 2021, 04:03:09 AM
Whats up with lots of people running OG classics now? I feel like I notice more pros than ever are skating them.
One that surprised me is Bobby in the new Quasi video.

I kinda want to try them out if not just for the fact they don't go yellow after 1 session.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 18, 2021, 04:31:02 AM
Lost a huge chunk of wheel on my 99a Radial Slims on a poorly maintained park ledge. The angle iron is coming out the ledge and probably look a bit off on a slide. They still roll fine, not feeling the missing chunk yet but it's a matter of time before it falls apart.
I got myself a set of Bones V3s and had plans to swap out but I've been spoiled by Spitfires.

I'd like to see that.

Looks something like these ones?

Note:  This is not a manufacturing issue, it is a location issue - big old screw sticking out of a ledge took a chunk out of the wheel.  The rest of the info in the post, but too much to put up here when people don't need to read it.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CJkLzXBFzrd/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on April 18, 2021, 05:40:21 AM
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Lost a huge chunk of wheel on my 99a Radial Slims on a poorly maintained park ledge. The angle iron is coming out the ledge and probably look a bit off on a slide. They still roll fine, not feeling the missing chunk yet but it's a matter of time before it falls apart.
I got myself a set of Bones V3s and had plans to swap out but I've been spoiled by Spitfires.
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I'd like to see that.

Looks something like these ones?

Note:  This is not a manufacturing issue, it is a location issue - big old screw sticking out of a ledge took a chunk out of the wheel.  The rest of the info in the post, but too much to put up here when people don't need to read it.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CJkLzXBFzrd/
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 18, 2021, 08:41:46 AM
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Lost a huge chunk of wheel on my 99a Radial Slims on a poorly maintained park ledge. The angle iron is coming out the ledge and probably look a bit off on a slide. They still roll fine, not feeling the missing chunk yet but it's a matter of time before it falls apart.
I got myself a set of Bones V3s and had plans to swap out but I've been spoiled by Spitfires.
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I'd like to see that.

Looks something like these ones?

Note:  This is not a manufacturing issue, it is a location issue - big old screw sticking out of a ledge took a chunk out of the wheel.  The rest of the info in the post, but too much to put up here when people don't need to read it.


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Not a worry at all, as it is on the side, not really on the riding surface and I put them on the front heel, so it will wear the least as well as give me less trouble than a back one or the toe side.

For another set very similar, I turned them into classic full shaped wheels and they roll just fine, so this is easy enough to use an angle grinder on and round them down some.







Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 19, 2021, 08:52:11 PM
Whats up with lots of people running OG classics now? I feel like I notice more pros than ever are skating them.
One that surprised me is Bobby in the new Quasi video.

I kinda want to try them out if not just for the fact they don't go yellow after 1 session.

Maybe that's what's in the monthly box?

Sell the F4$, skate the OGs.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 20, 2021, 02:28:23 AM
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Whats up with lots of people running OG classics now? I feel like I notice more pros than ever are skating them.
One that surprised me is Bobby in the new Quasi video.

I kinda want to try them out if not just for the fact they don't go yellow after 1 session.
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Maybe that's what's in the monthly box?

Sell the F4$, skate the OGs.

OG Classic come in original and Formula Four urethane too so they have them covered in pretty much all the sizes, but they do seem to be the new cool shape of wheel to ride - squared off sides but not very wide like some other shapes.

I have the 55 and 60 mm from the original urethane from before covid and they are pretty good for what I use them for.

The original urethane can sometimes go really yellow really quickly and other times it stays bright milky white for longer, but the yellowed urethane actually skates a whole lot better, lasts longer and is much less likely to flatspot too.

Trying to show the profile of the wheels / side view as well...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJFSy_qlyiD/

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring21/sf-sp21-dr1-d2-02.jpg)

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring21/sf-2020-d4-dt-07.jpg)

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring21/staples-og-classics.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on April 20, 2021, 06:23:23 AM
Just got a pair of 56mm 97a classics so I’m stoked to get out there and try them
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Post by: jay_nev on April 20, 2021, 06:48:34 AM
Just got a pair of 56mm 97a classics so I’m stoked to get out there and try them
great choice. Loving my 54mm 97a classics but the temptation has me wanting to step up to the 56mm conical fulls too

When did 58mm come out?
https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-formula-four-classic-58mm-97a-natural-turquoise-skateboard-wheels.html
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Post by: munchbox on April 20, 2021, 07:23:40 AM
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Just got a pair of 56mm 97a classics so I’m stoked to get out there and try them
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great choice. Loving my 54mm 97a classics but the temptation has me wanting to step up to the 56mm conical fulls too

When did 58mm come out?
https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-formula-four-classic-58mm-97a-natural-turquoise-skateboard-wheels.html
i dont need two setups at once
i dont need two setups at once
i dont need two setups at once
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GardenSkater77 on April 20, 2021, 07:30:18 AM
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Just got a pair of 56mm 97a classics so I’m stoked to get out there and try them
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great choice. Loving my 54mm 97a classics but the temptation has me wanting to step up to the 56mm conical fulls too

When did 58mm come out?
https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-formula-four-classic-58mm-97a-natural-turquoise-skateboard-wheels.html
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i dont need two setups at once
i dont need two setups at once
i dont need two setups at once

What do you mean by NEED? You know what you have to do...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bigdave on April 20, 2021, 08:13:36 AM
Grabbing some 53mm and 56mm classic F4s today. I havent tried F4s at all since I came back to skating but everyone seems to really like them, and I cant find a wheel I like otherwise...and I cant do colored wheels, try as I have....soooo....back to (upgraded) basics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on April 20, 2021, 08:19:31 AM
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Just got a pair of 56mm 97a classics so I’m stoked to get out there and try them
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great choice. Loving my 54mm 97a classics but the temptation has me wanting to step up to the 56mm conical fulls too

When did 58mm come out?
https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-formula-four-classic-58mm-97a-natural-turquoise-skateboard-wheels.html

damn the link says classic but it brings you to a conical full.

I’m holding out for a 58mm 97a classic
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on April 26, 2021, 05:29:46 PM
There is a school with fun, mellow curbs that is seconds from my house but the ground is hell. 56mm 97 classics unlocked the spot. These are great wheels.
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Post by: TastyBurrito on April 26, 2021, 05:50:51 PM
There is a school with fun, mellow curbs that is seconds from my house but the ground is hell. 56mm 97 classics unlocked the spot. These are great wheels.

Yea. These became my slappy wheels. Perfect hardness.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sketchyrider on April 28, 2021, 08:07:51 AM
has anyone ever actually seen regular conicals (not full) in 101a? i've had my eye out for months.
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on April 28, 2021, 08:11:02 AM
has anyone ever actually seen regular conicals (not full) in 101a? i've had my eye out for months.

I had a set of 54s a few years ago. They used to be way more common, but I can't even remember the last time I saw a some.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sometimeperhaps on April 28, 2021, 09:14:48 AM
Apologies if it’s been discussed before but thoughts on 52mm 99D tablets? Canadian ground. I know most would run bigger wheels but I’m a one setup guy right now and worry anything over a 53mm would give me a lot of wheel bite. I run my trucks medium-tight. Mostly skate flat and curbs. Cruise the park a bit but not that often.

Open to other suggestions as well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ballintoohard on April 28, 2021, 09:36:19 AM
They're fine. I had them and liked them more or less, they're pretty light, pretty fast, not super different from a Conical, which I like better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on April 28, 2021, 11:10:11 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/qmQJFzn/929-A6752-9-BDC-441-A-B2-EF-BED2-E85178-F9.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qmQJFzn)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 28, 2021, 05:15:33 PM
has anyone ever actually seen regular conicals (not full) in 101a? i've had my eye out for months.

They are out there, and some shops have had them fairly recently, but I couldn't tell you where unfortunately - I follow a lot of shop accounts and have seen the packaging and wheel graphic with the green bighead.

From the current catalog, this is the product pic, so yes 99 and 101 in a few sizes, but I think more commonly the 52 and 54 are the sizes in 101 I have seen.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2021/

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring21/staples-conical.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backinaction on April 28, 2021, 05:33:51 PM

has anyone ever actually seen regular conicals (not full) in 101a? i've had my eye out for months.

I bought a pair of 54s at my local in August.  Haven't looked since.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ol Nick on April 28, 2021, 06:51:21 PM
has anyone ever actually seen regular conicals (not full) in 101a? i've had my eye out for months.
Geometric has 52, 53, 54, and 56.
https://www.geometricskateshop.com/search?type=product&q=spitfire+conical+101d
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sketchyrider on April 29, 2021, 06:17:36 AM
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Geometric has 52, 53, 54, and 56.
https://www.geometricskateshop.com/search?type=product&q=spitfire+conical+101d

hell yeah, great find. looks like i gotta spend 150 bucks, would hate to pay for shipping.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 02, 2021, 08:24:41 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/COTCePuAWs7/?igshid=fczpjqledjfa
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JANUS on May 02, 2021, 09:22:45 AM
Apologies if it’s been discussed before but thoughts on 52mm 99D tablets? Canadian ground. I know most would run bigger wheels but I’m a one setup guy right now and worry anything over a 53mm would give me a lot of wheel bite. I run my trucks medium-tight. Mostly skate flat and curbs. Cruise the park a bit but not that often.

Open to other suggestions as well.

What city? Or if you’re not comfortable with that, what region and are you in the city or not? I feel like if you’re downtown in any major city it might be fine, but if you’re rural, or in a place like Ottawa (outside of downtown) where the roads are constantly fucked, it’s gonna be really rough IMO.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sometimeperhaps on May 02, 2021, 09:37:33 AM
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Apologies if it’s been discussed before but thoughts on 52mm 99D tablets? Canadian ground. I know most would run bigger wheels but I’m a one setup guy right now and worry anything over a 53mm would give me a lot of wheel bite. I run my trucks medium-tight. Mostly skate flat and curbs. Cruise the park a bit but not that often.

Open to other suggestions as well.
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What city? Or if you’re not comfortable with that, what region and are you in the city or not? I feel like if you’re downtown in any major city it might be fine, but if you’re rural, or in a place like Ottawa (outside of downtown) where the roads are constantly fucked, it’s gonna be really rough IMO.

Already purchased the 99a 52mms, picking them up this afternoon. I’m currently in Toronto, but moving to a smaller city inside the GTA (heading west) pretty soon, which gets more snow than toronto. How fucked am I? Hahah. I’m thinking the roads are gonna be bad. Since I’ve never lived there I do plan on biking around looking for spots, rather than skating around randomly at first. But I do love to just go out and push around so I might have to grab another set of something later this summer.

Realistically I should probably be on something 54mm or above and on the softer side. But I’m a one setup guy right now and getting back into skating so the smaller wheels should help me get some tricks back faster.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on May 02, 2021, 09:43:21 AM
There is a school with fun, mellow curbs that is seconds from my house but the ground is hell. 56mm 97 classics unlocked the spot. These are great wheels.
Reading this made me happy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 02, 2021, 09:46:02 AM
Just pulled the trigger on some 56mm 97a conical fulls. I'm going to put them on my cruiser set up. Im planning to start skating around my neighborhood a lot just cruising to get back in skating shape and I want something that's soft enough to cruise over rough ground, but that I still feel comfortable power sliding and such. Hope these fit the bill.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mj23 on May 03, 2021, 09:35:52 AM
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Lmao god dammit I literally JUST bought some 97a conical full 56mm, rode around on them once, and thought “shit this rocks but I bet I would like a 95 or 92 even better”  >:(

Still happy tho, they pretty much do exactly what it says on the box, so to speak. A tiny bit softer then 99s, still bark and slide plenty. A much more “real” wheel than the 92a ricta clouds I had previously used when trying to balance easy rolling with still being able to slide. F4 really is the GOAT formula, I wish spit would just crank them out in every possible shape, duro, and size.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on May 03, 2021, 11:03:01 AM
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Lmao god dammit I literally JUST bought some 97a conical full 56mm, rode around on them once, and thought “shit this rocks but I bet I would like a 95 or 92 even better”  >:(

Still happy tho, they pretty much do exactly what it says on the box, so to speak. A tiny bit softer then 99s, still bark and slide plenty. A much more “real” wheel than the 92a ricta clouds I had previously used when trying to balance easy rolling with still being able to slide. F4 really is the GOAT formula, I wish spit would just crank them out in every possible shape, duro, and size.

Agreed

From TnT post though it seems like these are gonna be classic though?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JANUS on May 03, 2021, 01:13:32 PM
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Apologies if it’s been discussed before but thoughts on 52mm 99D tablets? Canadian ground. I know most would run bigger wheels but I’m a one setup guy right now and worry anything over a 53mm would give me a lot of wheel bite. I run my trucks medium-tight. Mostly skate flat and curbs. Cruise the park a bit but not that often.

Open to other suggestions as well.
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What city? Or if you’re not comfortable with that, what region and are you in the city or not? I feel like if you’re downtown in any major city it might be fine, but if you’re rural, or in a place like Ottawa (outside of downtown) where the roads are constantly fucked, it’s gonna be really rough IMO.
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Already purchased the 99a 52mms, picking them up this afternoon. I’m currently in Toronto, but moving to a smaller city inside the GTA (heading west) pretty soon, which gets more snow than toronto. How fucked am I? Hahah. I’m thinking the roads are gonna be bad. Since I’ve never lived there I do plan on biking around looking for spots, rather than skating around randomly at first. But I do love to just go out and push around so I might have to grab another set of something later this summer.

Realistically I should probably be on something 54mm or above and on the softer side. But I’m a one setup guy right now and getting back into skating so the smaller wheels should help me get some tricks back faster.

You might be in for a rough ride, but I think you’ll be ok. Getting places might involve a lot of pushing, though. I’m interested to hear how it goes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gaunting on May 03, 2021, 01:30:03 PM
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god damnit! just bought some 99a f4’s in 52mm. wish I would’ve seen these new 53mm in 97a.....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 03, 2021, 03:50:09 PM
Doesn't mean they are going to be in production and they are not F4s just the 95a classic formula, SoftDs that they have done in the past.

Enjoy your F4 97as.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sometimeperhaps on May 03, 2021, 05:18:37 PM
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Apologies if it’s been discussed before but thoughts on 52mm 99D tablets? Canadian ground. I know most would run bigger wheels but I’m a one setup guy right now and worry anything over a 53mm would give me a lot of wheel bite. I run my trucks medium-tight. Mostly skate flat and curbs. Cruise the park a bit but not that often.

Open to other suggestions as well.
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What city? Or if you’re not comfortable with that, what region and are you in the city or not? I feel like if you’re downtown in any major city it might be fine, but if you’re rural, or in a place like Ottawa (outside of downtown) where the roads are constantly fucked, it’s gonna be really rough IMO.
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Already purchased the 99a 52mms, picking them up this afternoon. I’m currently in Toronto, but moving to a smaller city inside the GTA (heading west) pretty soon, which gets more snow than toronto. How fucked am I? Hahah. I’m thinking the roads are gonna be bad. Since I’ve never lived there I do plan on biking around looking for spots, rather than skating around randomly at first. But I do love to just go out and push around so I might have to grab another set of something later this summer.

Realistically I should probably be on something 54mm or above and on the softer side. But I’m a one setup guy right now and getting back into skating so the smaller wheels should help me get some tricks back faster.
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You might be in for a rough ride, but I think you’ll be ok. Getting places might involve a lot of pushing, though. I’m interested to hear how it goes.

I’ll report back in a couple weeks once I’m out there. But went for a skate last night with them and they felt pretty good, in all my years I’ve never had spitfire for some reason. I’m coming off some worn down random 50mm skate mental wheels though so anything will feel better than those.

The more and more I lurk this section though the more I want some 56mm 97a go anywhere type wheel and setup. If the rough roads rattle my brain enough I might just have to make that happen.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 03, 2021, 06:10:58 PM
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Lmao god dammit I literally JUST bought some 97a conical full 56mm, rode around on them once, and thought “shit this rocks but I bet I would like a 95 or 92 even better”  >:(

Still happy tho, they pretty much do exactly what it says on the box, so to speak. A tiny bit softer then 99s, still bark and slide plenty. A much more “real” wheel than the 92a ricta clouds I had previously used when trying to balance easy rolling with still being able to slide. F4 really is the GOAT formula, I wish spit would just crank them out in every possible shape, duro, and size.
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Agreed

From TnT post though it seems like these are gonna be classic though?

These were are "once off" for TNT, as they do for some of their pro guys, and although it would be cool that they were back in production, I think they stopped making them the first time because they didn't sell well enough.

Yes the slightly softer formulas are awesome and I still have quite a few sets of 95 and 92 duros but they did have very regular issues as per the older Spitfires, including flatspots, deforming in shape and the softer ones tended to have more issues with the compound as well, some of mine not holding up like the other ones do, eg one wheel is all mushy and chunks out easily, but the other three do exactly what they are supposed to do.

Honestly though, the F4 97s are going to be way better for everything than the older Soft Ds even if they are not quite as soft, they will last a lot longer and perform better than softer wheels.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cthunderw on May 05, 2021, 11:20:33 AM
I’ve seen the 97a conicals popping up on Canadian Paradeworld for those still looking for a set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on May 07, 2021, 12:28:30 PM
I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sweet pee on May 07, 2021, 12:54:07 PM
I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.

I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 07, 2021, 08:27:41 PM
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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.
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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.

Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 08, 2021, 03:23:25 PM
To Brims point, does anyone else hate new wheels? I got a feeling I’m in the minority on this one. I avoid switching for so long. I’ll ride wheels for about a year on average. Just something about em for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mj23 on May 08, 2021, 07:53:03 PM
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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.
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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.
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Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.
So glad to hear this, I used to think I was insane for feeling like my wheels got harder over time
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 09, 2021, 03:12:25 AM
To Brims point, does anyone else hate new wheels? I got a feeling I’m in the minority on this one. I avoid switching for so long. I’ll ride wheels for about a year on average. Just something about em for me.

I think it depends on the wheels. F4 54mm classics feel very nice after two sessions for me.
Radial Slims took a bit to get used to.

Top 5 new gear I hate:
- Shoes
- Bushings
- Shoes
- Grip
- Shoes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 09, 2021, 03:37:13 AM
To Brims point, does anyone else hate new wheels? I got a feeling I’m in the minority on this one. I avoid switching for so long. I’ll ride wheels for about a year on average. Just something about em for me.


Yeah I will ride my wheels for a long time, and even set up other people's old wheels (after I have machined them) and skate them just as happily more often than not.


I must admit though, new Formula Four wheels with new bearings are just so good - so fast and clean rolling - right away, maybe because they are not "treaded" and have a smooth riding surface right from new, as compared to most other wheels that you always have to wear in before really going to skate normally.

Definitely feeling the love for any wheel like that, but more so Spitfire Formula Fours every time, over Bones SPFs or Slimeballs (which I have and are the only other hard wheels that have a smooth riding surface from new).

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on May 09, 2021, 10:54:51 AM
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To Brims point, does anyone else hate new wheels? I got a feeling I’m in the minority on this one. I avoid switching for so long. I’ll ride wheels for about a year on average. Just something about em for me.
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Yeah I will ride my wheels for a long time, and even set up other people's old wheels (after I have machined them) and skate them just as happily more often than not.


I must admit though, new Formula Four wheels with new bearings are just so good - so fast and clean rolling - right away, maybe because they are not "treaded" and have a smooth riding surface right from new, as compared to most other wheels that you always have to wear in before really going to skate normally.

Definitely feeling the love for any wheel like that, but more so Spitfire Formula Fours every time, over Bones SPFs or Slimeballs (which I have and are the only other hard wheels that have a smooth riding surface from new).

I just got my trucks and deck dimensions nailed, don't think I can deal with another element. I'll delay wheel changes as long as possible.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on May 09, 2021, 11:18:53 PM
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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.
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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.
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Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.

I wonder if harder duro wheels are more or less suspectible to get harder as they age. For example, would Bones 103A wheels get harder at the rate of Spit 97A's or would they generally remain the same  ::)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on May 10, 2021, 05:51:29 AM
Just got my first set of F4 97a's yesterday, 56mm Conical Full. First impression, they are exactly what I was hoping for, a wheel that is soft enough to roll over rough ground but still hard enough to power slide going down hills etc. I was surprised at how well they handled crusty ground, I was skeptical thinking they'd be harder than I wanted only being slightly softer than 99a, but I got to say I'm impressed, happy with the purchase.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 10, 2021, 08:57:21 AM
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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.
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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.
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Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.
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I wonder if harder duro wheels are more or less suspectible to get harder as they age. For example, would Bones 103A wheels get harder at the rate of Spit 97A's or would they generally remain the same  ::)

Bones definitely get harder with age too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 10, 2021, 09:40:08 PM
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I just mashed around the neighborhood. Too dark to photograph afterwards but here's the before earlier.

It's so nice to be on a 99a 58mm wheel with a large contact patch again. I can flip it just fine but I've yet to try crooks sure I'll be all right. I put my swiss bearings in that are broke in so nicely. Three of my reds had locked up in the V2s. Massive difference

Positive
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on May 10, 2021, 09:55:12 PM
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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.
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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.
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Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.
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I wonder if harder duro wheels are more or less suspectible to get harder as they age. For example, would Bones 103A wheels get harder at the rate of Spit 97A's or would they generally remain the same  ::)
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Bones definitely get harder with age too

By far the worst are Ricta Chrome Cores. The hard plastic core hardened around the bearing so tight (coupled with rust), I had to drip a couple of drops of oil along the edges before the bearing would start to wiggle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on May 11, 2021, 03:59:12 PM
I thought that all modern wheels are multiple derometer by production default?
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Post by: white guy in a durag on May 11, 2021, 04:20:32 PM
Love the feel of my 58s too. Still getting used to the new pop timing, but the height and speed feel great.
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Post by: dancing on May 11, 2021, 06:58:21 PM
Love the feel of my 58s too. Still getting used to the new pop timing, but the height and speed feel great.

the 58mm 97a f4 conical fulls are the truth
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Post by: CannerSpaghetti on May 11, 2021, 07:08:40 PM
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I just mashed around the neighborhood. Too dark to photograph afterwards but here's the before earlier.

It's so nice to be on a 99a 58mm wheel with a large contact patch again. I can flip it just fine but I've yet to try crooks sure I'll be all right. I put my swiss bearings in that are broke in so nicely. Three of my reds had locked up in the V2s. Massive difference

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jtrpma on May 11, 2021, 07:13:56 PM
I also love the 58 conical fulls. And they last forever, just keep getting better. I have a set I’ve been riding for years and even though it got demoted to second set they still feel perfect, even at 52mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OldCandy on May 11, 2021, 08:30:43 PM
so i wear down wheels pretty quick

i went from ~45 - 40 in a month and my wheels feel softer and smoother on the surface (skating crust) there bones v5 stf 99a if that helps

any clue to why?, I'm guessing that the urethane inside is still yet to cure even though this set is like at least a year old by now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 12, 2021, 06:51:29 AM
I'm looking to get a set of the 97D F4's before I do could I just get confirmation on them not fucking with power slides or slide tricks? I alternate between the 99 and 101 depending on what i'm feeling at the time of purchase. I've been skating some crustier spots lately though and while I haven't had issues my 101 conical fulls i'm curious about the 97's. (I realize they've been talked about a bunch but was wondering if any of you guys had regrets with them)
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Post by: Firebert on May 12, 2021, 07:06:47 AM
I'm looking to get a set of the 97D F4's before I do could I just get confirmation on them not fucking with power slides or slide tricks? I alternate between the 99 and 101 depending on what i'm feeling at the time of purchase. I've been skating some crustier spots lately though and while I haven't had issues my 101 conical fulls i'm curious about the 97's. (I realize they've been talked about a bunch but was wondering if any of you guys had regrets with them)
Spend most of my time on the 99s, no regrets with the 97s - they still break into slides without problem, they just don't slide AS far.
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Post by: rocklobster on May 12, 2021, 07:10:47 AM
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I'm looking to get a set of the 97D F4's before I do could I just get confirmation on them not fucking with power slides or slide tricks? I alternate between the 99 and 101 depending on what i'm feeling at the time of purchase. I've been skating some crustier spots lately though and while I haven't had issues my 101 conical fulls i'm curious about the 97's. (I realize they've been talked about a bunch but was wondering if any of you guys had regrets with them)
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Spend most of my time on the 99s, no regrets with the 97s - they still break into slides without problem, they just don't slide AS far.

Damn, now I'm really excited to try my 97a Classics in 54mm. I wish they did a Radial Slim version.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 12, 2021, 07:47:02 AM
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I'm looking to get a set of the 97D F4's before I do could I just get confirmation on them not fucking with power slides or slide tricks? I alternate between the 99 and 101 depending on what i'm feeling at the time of purchase. I've been skating some crustier spots lately though and while I haven't had issues my 101 conical fulls i'm curious about the 97's. (I realize they've been talked about a bunch but was wondering if any of you guys had regrets with them)
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Spend most of my time on the 99s, no regrets with the 97s - they still break into slides without problem, they just don't slide AS far.
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Damn, not I'm really excited to try my 97a Classics in 54mm. I wish they did a Radial Slim version.

You didn't expect them to slide as far/just like the 99s did you? I've been riding all three over the past month and got to say, anywhere I'd ride the 99s, the 97s do just fine. Sure they grip a bit more and like stated above you are going to slide, just not as far (unless you go faster ;).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on May 12, 2021, 08:05:57 AM
I'm looking to get a set of the 97D F4's before I do could I just get confirmation on them not fucking with power slides or slide tricks? I alternate between the 99 and 101 depending on what i'm feeling at the time of purchase. I've been skating some crustier spots lately though and while I haven't had issues my 101 conical fulls i'm curious about the 97's. (I realize they've been talked about a bunch but was wondering if any of you guys had regrets with them)

They slide fine for me for power slides and noseblunts. While they don’t slide as far as F4 99a, they slide better (more consistent slide and easier to break into and maintain the slide) than any other 99/101 wheel I’ve tried outside of F4 and STF’s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paperclip20 on May 12, 2021, 09:39:37 AM
Thanks for all the quick responses guys. I'm still a few weeks off setting up new wheels so I'll have to do some thinking but I'm leaning towards trying the 97's now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: coyote2425 on May 13, 2021, 11:09:06 AM
Just put on my first F4s a few weeks ago (54mm conical fulls). Coming off a pair of softer 56mm OJ Keyframes, I'm super impressed. I can actually powerslide again and can't believe all the shit I can still roll over without getting tossed.

Never looking back.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: superleftswipebby on May 13, 2021, 11:40:06 AM
is it me or are the recent batches of 99’s stickier than usual?
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Post by: fs1/2cab on May 13, 2021, 11:42:48 AM
is it me or are the recent batches of 99’s stickier than usual?

I also felt that way on my 54mm classics a few weeks ago.
But after the 3rd session and a few powerslides everything felt as usual to me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on May 13, 2021, 12:36:58 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/FDZ0JnT/PXL-20210509-170127711-MP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BCWrjwM)

I just mashed around the neighborhood. Too dark to photograph afterwards but here's the before earlier.

It's so nice to be on a 99a 58mm wheel with a large contact patch again. I can flip it just fine but I've yet to try crooks sure I'll be all right. I put my swiss bearings in that are broke in so nicely. Three of my reds had locked up in the V2s. Massive difference

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what wheelbase are you running cast plates with? thinking about switching it up on a 14wb
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on May 15, 2021, 07:12:56 PM
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I don’t know if I’m trippin or not, but do the 97A’s seem like they get harder over time? I’ve been on the same set since they released the 97s (like 9 months ago) and they don’t feel as soft compared to when they were brand new. They kinda feel like 99s now when I skate down my street.
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I actually noticed this with the non-F4 OG Classics. I had a set (53mm/99a) that I bought last year and have noticed that they feel more like 101a's now. Even when trying to pull the bearings out, they felt a lot more stiff and resistant than when I first set them up.
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Urethane, or good urethane will harden over time, which is why I love older wheels, as they last longer and are much less likely to have issues the way brand new straight out of the packet wheels do sometimes.


It would be interesting to put on some new 99s and see if there was still a difference between those and the older 97s, or even any other older 99s if you still have them.


With regard to seating bearings, older wheels are a pain to get bearings in and out of, but a bit of lube or something rubbed round the inside of the wheel makes it a lot easier, or for getting bearings out, drip to the edge of the bearing and wheel join and pry at it a bit and it will usually come out a lot more easily.

Not a perfect test by any means, but I set up some 2 year old 60mm 99 F4 classics. Skated them back to back with some new-ish (2 months old) 55 tablets (same duro) on the same setup.

Older 99s (60 classics) feel harder. Also noticeably more difficult to slide. Shape plays a part perhaps, but it was interesting to try.
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Post by: Uncle Flea on May 16, 2021, 04:41:43 PM
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I just mashed around the neighborhood. Too dark to photograph afterwards but here's the before earlier.

It's so nice to be on a 99a 58mm wheel with a large contact patch again. I can flip it just fine but I've yet to try crooks sure I'll be all right. I put my swiss bearings in that are broke in so nicely. Three of my reds had locked up in the V2s. Massive difference

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what wheelbase are you running cast plates with? thinking about switching it up on a 14wb

I'm on a 14 (m1 orchard)  My other board with the vhollow is on a K shape (traffic orchard). I definitely prefer the m1 deck.  K shape works out too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 17, 2021, 02:20:40 PM
is it me or are the recent batches of 99’s stickier than usual?

My 99a classics felt fine (real rough shitty terrain smooth curbs); thinking about getting 99a tablets since there are no thin 97a F4s (and I want a thin wheel).
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Post by: Sativa Lung on May 22, 2021, 12:50:04 PM
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is it me or are the recent batches of 99’s stickier than usual?
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My 99a classics felt fine (real rough shitty terrain smooth curbs); thinking about getting 99a tablets since there are no thin 97a F4s (and I want a thin wheel).

Tablets might not be what you want. I wouldn't really classify them as "thin", at least not compared to like autobahn or crupie or satori or those kind of really skinny jawns. Tablets and classics are pretty close to the same width and unless you wear them waaayyyyy down the contact patch on the classics is probably a bit smaller. Reference photo - 53mm classic in hand, 53mm tablet on board.

(https://i.imgur.com/y8GRKoQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mj23 on May 24, 2021, 07:25:07 PM
Update after a few weeks of fully skating the 97a conicals: they’ve had a couple small chunks come out and one very minor flat spot. Definitely happened much faster to inflict that kind of damage than the various 99s that have previously been my main wheels. But they still slide really nicely and they still ride great over filth.
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Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on May 24, 2021, 08:41:38 PM
Update after a few weeks of fully skating the 97a conicals: they’ve had a couple small chunks come out and one very minor flat spot. Definitely happened much faster to inflict that kind of damage than the various 99s that have previously been my main wheels. But they still slide really nicely and they still ride great over filth.

Chiming in to say I’ve had a similar experience with little divots along the side walls from slappies that never happened with 99s. Still my favorite wheel I’ve had since this place dosed me with the madness a couple years ago. I’ll take the tiny gouges over slipping out on transition or vibrating my feet to numbness.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cthunderw on May 27, 2021, 09:48:11 PM
I have both a set of 97a 56mm classics and 97a 54mm conicals. I gotta say that I prefer the classics to the conicals, but one of the problems I think I'm having with the conicals is that they are newer and haven't had time to harden up like the classics, but I've recently found both to be just a bit too sticky and soft on days when it's warmer than about 20ºC.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on May 28, 2021, 06:28:57 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPYm2o_FCUS/

Hopefully this means a restock in non slim radials.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on May 28, 2021, 09:16:38 AM
I have both a set of 97a 56mm classics and 97a 54mm conicals. I gotta say that I prefer the classics to the conicals, but one of the problems I think I'm having with the conicals is that they are newer and haven't had time to harden up like the classics, but I've recently found both to be just a bit too sticky and soft on days when it's warmer than about 20ºC.

Same with preferring the classics to conical. The classics seem to slide better and more consistently for me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on May 28, 2021, 11:41:35 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CPYm2o_FCUS/

Hopefully this means a restock in non slim radials.

I hope that too since I never had a chace to skate the regular radials. I would love to try those after all the conical shaped wheels I've skated for years.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on May 28, 2021, 06:06:01 PM
I had those Kader radials last year I believe, hated them.
They just felt off.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 28, 2021, 07:56:17 PM
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Hopefully this means a restock in non slim radials.
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I hope that too since I never had a chace to skate the regular radials. I would love to try those after all the conical shaped wheels I've skated for years.


They had some of the normal 52mm 99 duro Radials in the lastest drops to some stores but they were less common than some others, probably selling quickly.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


There are also the "Skate like a girl" series, all 99 duro Radial with blue 53mm, pink 54mm and white (natural) 56mm which are a bit more common, but if you are not into coloured wheels or don't want 56mm then you are stuck.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring21/sf-sp21-dr1-d2-04.jpg


If you are into black wheels, then the other ones out in 99 are 52, 53 and 54mm "Trippy swirl" but again, maybe not your thing / limited market for black wheels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring21/04-sf-sp21-drop2-del1-trippy.jpg


I still have some 54mm regulars in both 99 and 101 and they are a good mix of classic and the wider profile, still slightly rounded edge even being worn down a mm or so but good surface area.

Wheels like the OG Classics have been a bit more common and preferred by pros / others who didn't quite want the Conical full but still wanted a wide surface but medium profile wheel, so they are a good one to try as well.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on May 28, 2021, 11:05:18 PM
I had those Kader radials last year I believe, hated them.
They just felt off.

Would like to hear more about those. I usually ride 52-54mm wheels in 99 duro and conical fulls have treated me well. Radials seem to be exactly as wide but less contact surface.
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Post by: moonordie on May 29, 2021, 05:55:06 AM
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I had those Kader radials last year I believe, hated them.
They just felt off.
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Would like to hear more about those. I usually ride 52-54mm wheels in 99 duro and conical fulls have treated me well. Radials seem to be exactly as wide but less contact surface.
I guess radials kinda = classic full no?
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Post by: BugleBites on May 29, 2021, 08:19:44 AM
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I had those Kader radials last year I believe, hated them.
They just felt off.
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Would like to hear more about those. I usually ride 52-54mm wheels in 99 duro and conical fulls have treated me well. Radials seem to be exactly as wide but less contact surface.
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I guess radials kinda = classic full no?

Nah. Completely different shape. Radials are closer to the conical.
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Post by: GardenSkater77 on May 29, 2021, 02:03:36 PM
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I had those Kader radials last year I believe, hated them.
They just felt off.
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Would like to hear more about those. I usually ride 52-54mm wheels in 99 duro and conical fulls have treated me well. Radials seem to be exactly as wide but less contact surface.
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I guess radials kinda = classic full no?
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Nah. Completely different shape. Radials are closer to the conical.

I have both Radial and Classic and they ride fairly similarly. They slappy and slide the same. The Radial is like a classic skated down 2 mm. I have never tried a conical or tablet because I don’t like the feeling of locking in. Also, I would imagine a rounded edge allows one to break into a slide easier.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on May 30, 2021, 07:44:12 AM
I set up my first set of spitfire wheels a few days ago, F4 99 Tablets 53mm.
I'm seriously amazed. Have been riding stf(83b, v3) and spf(84b, p5) before and the tablets are so much smoother but still slide perfectly.
So far I'm sold
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on May 30, 2021, 10:43:49 AM
I have both a set of 97a 56mm classics and 97a 54mm conicals. I gotta say that I prefer the classics to the conicals, but one of the problems I think I'm having with the conicals is that they are newer and haven't had time to harden up like the classics, but I've recently found both to be just a bit too sticky and soft on days when it's warmer than about 20ºC.

I was kinda bummed out that I had just started riding a new set of F4 99A Tablets when 97A hit the European market. As it's getting warmer outside the 99As are definitely sticking to the ground more. I think anything softer would be too sticky for me during the summer. Might get 97As for the next winter, however.

I set up my first set of spitfire wheels a few days ago, F4 99 Tablets 53mm.
I'm seriously amazed. Have been riding stf(83b, v3) and spf(84b, p5) before and the tablets are so much smoother but still slide perfectly.
So far I'm sold

Did the same switch beginning of the year and never looked back. More control on any terrain with just the right amount of slide in most situations. Never really believed in wheel differences until I started riding SPFs, and now after some heavy skating with the F4s I am even more impressed with them. Should have gotten OG Classics or Conical Fulls though, just gut feeling but something tells me I'd prefer a wider wheel than the Tablets.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on May 30, 2021, 11:01:12 AM
Aight gods Im stuck in a decision. Im rocking the Tablets right now and they are getting really worn down. I fucking love these love the lock-in for transition skating and love the fact that the slide is so controlled. Was wondering is there much of a difference between the Tablets and the Radial and Conical Full shapes? Was just seeing some really cool options in those two shapes that are tempting me to change.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sketchyrider on May 30, 2021, 01:13:11 PM
I set up my first set of spitfire wheels a few days ago, F4 99 Tablets 53mm.
I'm seriously amazed. Have been riding stf(83b, v3) and spf(84b, p5) before and the tablets are so much smoother but still slide perfectly.
So far I'm sold

i made the switch too, at least for now. i had tried a bunch of wheels in the bones lineup, and was firmly in the bones camp.

f4's have a great balance of speed and forgiveness/shock absorption, as well as slide vs grip. bones might be a little faster and more durable though.

also i've posted about it a bunch of times but i hate how bones makes you choose between street and park formula. like yeah i know you can ride both in either but still.
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Post by: El Freegano on May 31, 2021, 01:06:12 AM
Hi, there! I read great reviews of the F4 here. I've never tried it before but now my shop got some wheels. The options are kind of limited and i am in between tablets 52 99 and classics 54 99. I skate only street and don't know what would be best. They also have conicals full 52 but in the 101. Can you give any suggestions what would feel better on the asphalt and would last longer? Greetings!
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 31, 2021, 01:34:36 AM
Aight gods Im stuck in a decision. Im rocking the Tablets right now and they are getting really worn down. I fucking love these love the lock-in for transition skating and love the fact that the slide is so controlled. Was wondering is there much of a difference between the Tablets and the Radial and Conical Full shapes? Was just seeing some really cool options in those two shapes that are tempting me to change.
Hi, there! I read great reviews of the F4 here. I've never tried it before but now my shop got some wheels. The options are kind of limited and i am in between tablets 52 99 and classics 54 99. I skate only street and don't know what would be best. They also have conicals full 52 but in the 101. Can you give any suggestions what would feel better on the asphalt and would last longer? Greetings!


Tablets are a very skinny wheel with a very sharp edge, so will lock in more and have a lot more truck contact.

Conical full are a very wide wheel, so less truck width between wheels, with a slightly rounded edge but still lock in.

Radials are a medium width wheel, so pretty much in between the first two, with a wide surface area but still a moderately rounded edge, so about the medium ground.


Just for comparison, Classics are a medium width wheel across the widest point around the bearing seat, with a very rounded edge and minimal surface contact.

Some people say rounder wheels are easier to slide, flip and wear more evenly, but others I know prefer the wider profiles and sharper edges to lock in on rails and ledges more than anything else.


With regard to 99 or 101, I feel like 99s are always a more well balanced and an all rounder for duro than 101, especially if you are going to skate rougher surfaces, vs 101 on smoother faster surfaces.


@El Freegano I would be taking the 54mm classic 99s as they are a bit bigger so will last longer and skate more easily on rough roads, but that is just me.


The choice is yours...
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Post by: El Freegano on May 31, 2021, 03:33:26 AM
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Aight gods Im stuck in a decision. Im rocking the Tablets right now and they are getting really worn down. I fucking love these love the lock-in for transition skating and love the fact that the slide is so controlled. Was wondering is there much of a difference between the Tablets and the Radial and Conical Full shapes? Was just seeing some really cool options in those two shapes that are tempting me to change.
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Hi, there! I read great reviews of the F4 here. I've never tried it before but now my shop got some wheels. The options are kind of limited and i am in between tablets 52 99 and classics 54 99. I skate only street and don't know what would be best. They also have conicals full 52 but in the 101. Can you give any suggestions what would feel better on the asphalt and would last longer? Greetings!
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Tablets are a very skinny wheel with a very sharp edge, so will lock in more and have a lot more truck contact.

Conical full are a very wide wheel, so less truck width between wheels, with a slightly rounded edge but still lock in.

Radials are a medium width wheel, so pretty much in between the first two, with a wide surface area but still a moderately rounded edge, so about the medium ground.


Just for comparison, Classics are a medium width wheel across the widest point around the bearing seat, with a very rounded edge and minimal surface contact.

Some people say rounder wheels are easier to slide, flip and wear more evenly, but others I know prefer the wider profiles and sharper edges to lock in on rails and ledges more than anything else.


With regard to 99 or 101, I feel like 99s are always a more well balanced and an all rounder for duro than 101, especially if you are going to skate rougher surfaces, vs 101 on smoother faster surfaces.


@El Freegano I would be taking the 54mm classic 99s as they are a bit bigger so will last longer and skate more easily on rough roads, but that is just me.


The choice is yours...

Thanx for the good info. I am getting the classics. First i thought they are gonna bi big for me,  coz i prefert 52 diameter, but F4 are pricey wheels so it is better riding them longer. Greetings!
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Post by: Eric Dolphy on May 31, 2021, 06:32:19 AM
You made the right choice, enjoy!
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Post by: gsosa on May 31, 2021, 09:31:24 AM
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Aight gods Im stuck in a decision. Im rocking the Tablets right now and they are getting really worn down. I fucking love these love the lock-in for transition skating and love the fact that the slide is so controlled. Was wondering is there much of a difference between the Tablets and the Radial and Conical Full shapes? Was just seeing some really cool options in those two shapes that are tempting me to change.
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Hi, there! I read great reviews of the F4 here. I've never tried it before but now my shop got some wheels. The options are kind of limited and i am in between tablets 52 99 and classics 54 99. I skate only street and don't know what would be best. They also have conicals full 52 but in the 101. Can you give any suggestions what would feel better on the asphalt and would last longer? Greetings!
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Tablets are a very skinny wheel with a very sharp edge, so will lock in more and have a lot more truck contact.

Conical full are a very wide wheel, so less truck width between wheels, with a slightly rounded edge but still lock in.

Radials are a medium width wheel, so pretty much in between the first two, with a wide surface area but still a moderately rounded edge, so about the medium ground.


Just for comparison, Classics are a medium width wheel across the widest point around the bearing seat, with a very rounded edge and minimal surface contact.

Some people say rounder wheels are easier to slide, flip and wear more evenly, but others I know prefer the wider profiles and sharper edges to lock in on rails and ledges more than anything else.


With regard to 99 or 101, I feel like 99s are always a more well balanced and an all rounder for duro than 101, especially if you are going to skate rougher surfaces, vs 101 on smoother faster surfaces.


@El Freegano I would be taking the 54mm classic 99s as they are a bit bigger so will last longer and skate more easily on rough roads, but that is just me.


The choice is yours...
@Mbrimson88 Thanks dude! After years of skating Classic shapes the wider wheels with sharper edges are my new drug. Which would you say is a better option for locking in and having good stability when bombing hills? Og Classics or Conical Fulls? Sorry to be so annoying about this.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 31, 2021, 08:01:43 PM

@Mbrimson88 Thanks dude! After years of skating Classic shapes the wider wheels with sharper edges are my new drug. Which would you say is a better option for locking in and having good stability when bombing hills? Og Classics or Conical Fulls? Sorry to be so annoying about this.

This has the specs, size width, riding patch info for all the types of wheels, and is definitely a good one to check out:

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


In looking at it again, I realise it doesn't have the OG Classic info, but the backing card of a set of wheels posted previously does so I will link that too - cannot find the one I wanted, but this one shows enough when zoomed in.

https://i.imgur.com/l1xtA5x.jpg

Depending on what size wheel you are after, the OG Classics are slightly slimmer overall but are way more square looking and have about the same contact patch up to 54mm but then the conical full wheel really gets a lot wider in 55 and up sizes.

Conical full 54mm, 34mm wide with 22mm contact

OG Classics 54mm, 32.5mm wide with 22mm contact


Conical full 56mm, 36mm wide with 25mm contact

OG Classic 56mm, 33.5mm wide with 23mm contact


From that, it definitely changes it up depending on wheel sizes, but the OG Classics are a much more squared off shape than the conical full and would still do everything you wanted, so it is just down to availability and sidewall preference.

OG Classics in F4 are out in 52, 53 and 55mm but not much else, and Conical Full are more available in 53 or 54, minimal 56 around but there are some if you look hard enough, but they are starting to get big.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sketchyrider on June 01, 2021, 07:41:46 AM
what exactly is the difference between conical and og classic? is it basically double conical vs single conical?
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Post by: camel filters on June 01, 2021, 08:25:32 AM
mbrimson88 ive suggested this before but a youtube channel with this kind of nerdery would be up my alley. Ben Degros needs competition.
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Post by: sharkin on June 01, 2021, 09:20:44 AM

Nice that's my pic and I'm riding those 56 classic fulls now and really like them.

Comparing them to the 56mm radials I had before, these are similar but don't lock in as well of course. I think the radial is the best all-around shape spitfire makes. If you want more lock in, go for conicals. If you want less, go for classics. Both classic and conical are offered in full varities if you want a wider wheel, but classic fulls are rarely produced.
 
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Post by: moonordie on June 02, 2021, 06:24:22 AM
mbrimson88 ive suggested this before but a youtube channel with this kind of nerdery would be up my alley. Ben Degros needs competition.
Couldn't agree more.
But to not lose before starting you need to say ASPHALT like him.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 02, 2021, 08:56:24 AM

Nice that's my pic and I'm riding those 56 classic fulls now and really like them.

Comparing them to the 56mm radials I had before, these are similar but don't lock in as well of course. I think the radial is the best all-around shape spitfire makes. If you want more lock in, go for conicals. If you want less, go for classics. Both classic and conical are offered in full varities if you want a wider wheel, but classic fulls are rarely produced.


Thanks again for posting that!  :)

Classic Full is my favourite shape and I might have enough to last me for the rest of my life and then some, but I have also been skating quite a few different wheels, including a lot of machined down second hand ones.


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mbrimson88 ive suggested this before but a youtube channel with this kind of nerdery would be up my alley. Ben Degros needs competition.
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Couldn't agree more.
But to not lose before starting you need to say ASPHALT like him.

As much as it would be fun to do, I like NOT talking a whole lot more than anything, even though I probably talk way too much when in the shop and helping people.

Being able to post pics and text is a bit more comfortable really, video how to only when really needed, but I think I will stick to typing and taking pics.


what exactly is the difference between conical and og classic? is it basically double conical vs single conical?


OG Classics are almost a square edge when I look at the ones I have, a tiny bit of rounding and stay flat down the side of the wheel a bit, then go in towards the bearing in a more gentle way than Conical full wheels.

Conical wheels (normal conical and conical full) have a slightly wider rounded edge that comes to a sharper point or line round the wheel and then tapers in to the bearing.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 02, 2021, 09:01:16 AM
I got it together and took some pics of the most recent packaging I have, posted it on Instagram and this is the text I put on it, so you don't have to go into it to see.  * Sorry it is a bit long.


Spitfire Wheels

The size and spec chart on the packaging of the wheels is so small I can hardly see it, along with not wearing my glasses much, but it helps to take pics of them all individually for comparison. The other thing with this particular version is the wheel shape is very visible too, which makes it a lot easier when trying to describe the wheel shapes, even if there seems like almost no difference in a few of them.

Some people would say they all feel quite different to ride and have specific properties for specific types of skating, which I find to be fairly accurate. Rounder edges will get on and off coping more easily whereas sharper edges or flat faces on the wheels will lock you in more on coping or rails, ledges, etc. Thinner wheels will have less grip on surfaces whereas wider wheels will have more grip on surfaces, be it the side of or top of a ledge, the ground, or ramps or skateparks.

Not included are Classic Full / Bighead shape, Classic Slim, or some of those other OG or Lifer shapes that came out a while back, but these represent all the current shapes and sizes for the Formula Four range.

Each has the name of the shape, a brief description, then the size (diameter), the width at the widest point and the riding surface which is the part that touches the ground.

In order of wheel shape pics:

Classic
Radials
Radial Slims
Tablets
Lock Ins
Conical
Conical Full
OG Classics



https://www.instagram.com/p/CPn3dCWl7tx/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 02, 2021, 10:42:27 AM
^That's some good info right there. Thanks for posting it.

After trying several different shapes and sizes of the Formula Four, I'm enjoying the 54mm Classic 99 duro the most. They feel like a smaller wheel with the pop of a bigger wheel. They are lightweight for the size but still heavier than a 52mm.

The narrow contact patch makes the wheels responsive during slides and helps turning even with tight trucks. But as the contact patch wears down, it seems like it will get bigger because of the shape.

Does anyone have a picture of their F4 classics worn down a bunch into a small, wide wheel?
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Post by: chris. on June 02, 2021, 11:14:56 AM
Here are some 53mm Classics worn to 46-47mm. On a 9” board with Ace 55s. They get so good once they’re under 50mm. I thought i had some up close pics of the wheels but just the whole set-up, but it gives some scale.

(https://i.imgur.com/CImtgGP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/i3ZVEYr.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 02, 2021, 11:42:03 AM
Classics wear down so good. I love the amount they get wider as they get smaller. It just works proportionally so well. I've had 58s I wore down to about 49s in the past.
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Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 02, 2021, 11:52:30 AM
I have a set of 53s that I retired at 49. You guys are making me want to put them back on. Selling me on giving the classics another try for sure (been on a Tablet & CF kick forever).
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Post by: fs1/2cab on June 02, 2021, 12:02:27 PM
^That's some good info right there. Thanks for posting it.

After trying several different shapes and sizes of the Formula Four, I'm enjoying the 54mm Classic 99 duro the most. They feel like a smaller wheel with the pop of a bigger wheel. They are lightweight for the size but still heavier than a 52mm.

The narrow contact patch makes the wheels responsive during slides and helps turning even with tight trucks. But as the contact patch wears down, it seems like it will get bigger because of the shape.

Does anyone have a picture of their F4 classics worn down a bunch into a small, wide wheel?

(https://i.ibb.co/QYBm6QF/20210602-205841.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Yf9jtQ7)

These 53mm are now around 49/50mm.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 02, 2021, 08:53:35 PM
^That's some good info right there. Thanks for posting it.

After trying several different shapes and sizes of the Formula Four, I'm enjoying the 54mm Classic 99 duro the most. They feel like a smaller wheel with the pop of a bigger wheel. They are lightweight for the size but still heavier than a 52mm.

The narrow contact patch makes the wheels responsive during slides and helps turning even with tight trucks. But as the contact patch wears down, it seems like it will get bigger because of the shape.

Does anyone have a picture of their F4 classics worn down a bunch into a small, wide wheel?

Ha yeah, probably too many pics, but it is easier to link old posts:



https://www.instagram.com/p/CGRr0Bml1lO/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHWhyC6lixi/


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 03, 2021, 08:25:37 AM
Damn, all these pics make me want to ride my F4 classics until they're worn down that much.

What is that measuring tool called in that first picture?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: skateviewer on June 03, 2021, 08:31:55 AM
Damn, all these pics make me want to ride my F4 classics until they're worn down that much.

What is that measuring tool called in that first picture?

calipers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on June 03, 2021, 09:35:24 AM
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Damn, all these pics make me want to ride my F4 classics until they're worn down that much.

What is that measuring tool called in that first picture?
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calipers
And if you want to go the extra nerd mile get a digital one.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on June 04, 2021, 11:36:57 PM
Alright, impulse-bought a set of F4 56mm Conical Fulls. Been extremely happy with my switch to F4 54mm Tablets from Bones SPF as mentioned elsewhere in this thread. However, I have this hunch that I’ll like super wide F4s even more. It’s been ages since I used a wheel larger than 54mm so that will be interesting, too.

EDIT

First session with these new wheels was interesting. As with my Tablets before, I am impressed with how good 99A F4s feel right from the start. They grip and slide in a controlled way even before they get a bit of a texture.

Even though my setup felt quite different with the 56mm Conical Fulls at first (Tablets were down to barely 52mm), I didn't have much trouble getting a good pop out of it. The increased angle might even work in my favor.

Speed and control with these large, wide wheels are insane. Like riding on a rail track, but with the ability to break out and adjust when needed. If that makes sense. The difference on rough ground is astonishing.

Feels like my setup (Gonz 9.81, 169 Indys) has really come together with these wheels, however I am not sure if I can really get myself to flip it. The weight and size has gotten to a point where it's just really painful to miss a flick and hit your ankles.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kevve on June 23, 2021, 03:16:02 AM
Im looking to size down for my next set, found the radial slims but unfortunately they were 101a. I like how the 99s are still manageable on asphalt and think id like to stay with that. Anyone went from 99s to 101 and stayed?

I wrote down the dimensions of the wheels the shop have and they're pretty similar. Anyone know if ones is lighter than the other?

radial slims 52mm   W29.5 18

conical 52mm W31.5 19.5

OG classic 52mm W31 21.5

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 23, 2021, 06:58:01 AM
Im looking to size down for my next set, found the radial slims but unfortunately they were 101a. I like how the 99s are still manageable on asphalt and think id like to stay with that. Anyone went from 99s to 101 and stayed?

I wrote down the dimensions of the wheels the shop have and they're pretty similar. Anyone know if ones is lighter than the other?

radial slims 52mm   W29.5 18

conical 52mm W31.5 19.5

OG classic 52mm W31 21.5


The 99s are just perfect overall, (and just perform so much more evenly than 101s) so that is what I would be sticking to.

As for Conical vs OG Classic, they are almost the same wheel, only the OG is a little thinner and more boxy than the Conical, so either or would be fine, maybe more so the OG if you wanted something closer to Radial Slim shape, but there is almost nothing in it.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: drinny on June 23, 2021, 07:27:00 AM
Really wanna try these 97a Conicals... waiting for stock to hit UK again, see how they roll vs. Keyframes (which I love but can stick on ledges/board slides if you’re not a bit careful)

I am *loving* the 97’s. Been to most rough spots where I’d have only used my crust board (Keyframes) before (and 99s were only negligibly better than 101 still basically a stop dead and die job.... )and they have rolled through it all... bit of a risk but but very pleasantly surprised!!

I might still yet find a spot that I need proper soft softies on but so far I only sentimentally miss those OJs  :'(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 23, 2021, 08:03:54 AM
Im looking to size down for my next set, found the radial slims but unfortunately they were 101a. I like how the 99s are still manageable on asphalt and think id like to stay with that. Anyone went from 99s to 101 and stayed?

I wrote down the dimensions of the wheels the shop have and they're pretty similar. Anyone know if ones is lighter than the other?

radial slims 52mm   W29.5 18

conical 52mm W31.5 19.5

OG classic 52mm W31 21.5

In terms of weight, the lightest will be the radial slim between those choices. I rode 51mm F4 radial slims 101a for a while and they slid nice and lightened my setup, but skinny wheels made my skateboard feel like a toy or like it was waterlogged. I ended up switching to 54mm F4 Classics 97a for a more well rounded setup.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on June 23, 2021, 11:31:23 PM
Here’s a high res scan of the latest leaflet including OG Classics and illustrations showing the cut outs / inner shape:

(https://i.ibb.co/SVycNRh/14-F4-A1-BE-5-A49-402-B-8-EC2-A02-D887-E8-EA7.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 24, 2021, 12:46:31 AM
Here’s a high res scan of the latest leaflet including OG Classics and illustrations showing the cut outs / inner shape:


Sure is HI res!!!

That is good though, as I would often struggle to see the small details on the card in person (so took pics of it to zoom in on) and although others have posted the card before, to have a super hi res version is definitely good to see very easily.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on June 24, 2021, 12:51:22 AM
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Here’s a high res scan of the latest leaflet including OG Classics and illustrations showing the cut outs / inner shape:

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Sure is HI res!!!

That is good though, as I would often struggle to see the small details on the card in person (so took pics of it to zoom in on) and although others have posted the card before, to have a super hi res version is definitely good to see very easily.

Haha, yeah I found it a bit hard to see things on the existing photos. Also this has different illustrations than the ones I have seen posted here.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sketchyrider on June 24, 2021, 06:08:26 AM
i feel like i will never truly understand the difference between OG classics and conicals but that's okay.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kevve on June 24, 2021, 06:52:49 AM
Same here, og classics sporting the classic swirl graphic which is way cooler if u ask me. I tvink it was @mbrimson that explained that the only diffrence is the sidewalls of the wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bold on June 24, 2021, 07:18:03 AM
Same here, og classics sporting the classic swirl graphic which is way cooler if u ask me. I tvink it was @mbrimson that explained that the only diffrence is the sidewalls of the wheels

I'd have to hold one of each and even then I'm not sure I could tell them apart.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mesteezo on June 24, 2021, 09:39:42 AM
i feel like i will never truly understand the difference between OG classics and conicals but that's okay.

Classics are like that hot curvy chick that’s also cool as fuck and is down for anything.

Conicals are like that squared hip big girl thats always down to eat Korean bbq for 2 hours+ and is an aggressive power bottom.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on June 24, 2021, 09:58:49 AM
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i feel like i will never truly understand the difference between OG classics and conicals but that's okay.
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Classics are like that hot curvy chick that’s also cool as fuck and is down for anything.

Conicals are like that squared hip big girl thats always down to eat Korean bbq for 2 hours+ and is an aggressive power bottom.

Gnarred
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on June 24, 2021, 10:22:43 AM
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i feel like i will never truly understand the difference between OG classics and conicals but that's okay.
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Classics are like that hot curvy chick that’s also cool as fuck and is down for anything.

Conicals are like that squared hip big girl thats always down to eat Korean bbq for 2 hours+ and is an aggressive power bottom.
you have my nomination to do the rest of the shapes

what type of woman is a conical full?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on June 24, 2021, 10:37:55 AM
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i feel like i will never truly understand the difference between OG classics and conicals but that's okay.
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Classics are like that hot curvy chick that’s also cool as fuck and is down for anything.

Conicals are like that squared hip big girl thats always down to eat Korean bbq for 2 hours+ and is an aggressive power bottom.
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you have my nomination to do the rest of the shapes

what type of woman is a conical full?

I want all the shapes, including Chargers and Big Heads
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 24, 2021, 11:42:29 AM
i feel like i will never truly understand the difference between OG classics and conicals but that's okay.

I don’t understand either.  Based on a few months of research I feel like the OG classics are basically a wider, side-cut tablet with a pretty squared off edge. The conical fulls are essentially the same width but slightly more rounded on the edges and a little less side-cut so slightly heavier feeling.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on June 24, 2021, 01:17:46 PM
Spitfire lists a 55mm tablet on that chart, but can anyone confirm that they actually exist? Google search will turn up results with retailers that have them listed but always out of stock.  I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on June 24, 2021, 01:20:17 PM
Spitfire lists a 55mm tablet on that chart, but can anyone confirm that they actually exist? Google search will turn up results with retailers that have them listed but always out of stock.  I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy.

I have seen Cardiel 55mm Tablets IRL. I also think someone here posted them (the Cards 55s) on a board in either the setup or 9"+ thread.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 24, 2021, 01:31:07 PM
Spitfire lists a 55mm tablet on that chart, but can anyone confirm that they actually exist? Google search will turn up results with retailers that have them listed but always out of stock.  I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy.

The chart has plenty of wheels that are no longer offered (or possibly never made) and it is also missing specs for wheels that they did make (51mm radials, 50mm tablets and other lil smokies).

Even their spring catalog on their website has wheels listed that I doubt they've made in the past year.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on June 24, 2021, 01:49:06 PM
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Spitfire lists a 55mm tablet on that chart, but can anyone confirm that they actually exist? Google search will turn up results with retailers that have them listed but always out of stock.  I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy.
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I have seen Cardiel 55mm Tablets IRL. I also think someone here posted them (the Cards 55s) on a board in either the setup or 9"+ thread.
Oh yeah I forgot about his pro model tablets.  I think the graphics throw me off, when I think tablets I'm always just thinking of the blue or red band.  Don't mind me, conspiracy short-lived.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on June 24, 2021, 03:40:03 PM
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Spitfire lists a 55mm tablet on that chart, but can anyone confirm that they actually exist? Google search will turn up results with retailers that have them listed but always out of stock.  I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy.
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The chart has plenty of wheels that are no longer offered (or possibly never made) and it is also missing specs for wheels that they did make (51mm radials, 50mm tablets and other lil smokies).

Even their spring catalog on their website has wheels listed that I doubt they've made in the past year.
Pretty sure the catalog is supposed to be what's being offered this season, not a bunch of random numbers. That's why the small wheels you mentioned aren't included.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 24, 2021, 03:45:03 PM
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Spitfire lists a 55mm tablet on that chart, but can anyone confirm that they actually exist? Google search will turn up results with retailers that have them listed but always out of stock.  I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy.
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The chart has plenty of wheels that are no longer offered (or possibly never made) and it is also missing specs for wheels that they did make (51mm radials, 50mm tablets and other lil smokies).

Even their spring catalog on their website has wheels listed that I doubt they've made in the past year.
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Pretty sure the catalog is supposed to be what's being offered this season, not a bunch of random numbers. That's why the small wheels you mentioned aren't included.

Sorry that I didn't make my post clear, they were supposed to be 2 different points. The chart that's included with purchased wheels don't have specs for all the wheels they make. The catalog on their website has wheels listed that they don't sell.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on June 24, 2021, 04:07:36 PM
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Really wanna try these 97a Conicals... waiting for stock to hit UK again, see how they roll vs. Keyframes (which I love but can stick on ledges/board slides if you’re not a bit careful)
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I am *loving* the 97’s. Been to most rough spots where I’d have only used my crust board (Keyframes) before (and 99s were only negligibly better than 101 still basically a stop dead and die job.... )and they have rolled through it all... bit of a risk but but very pleasantly surprised!!

I might still yet find a spot that I need proper soft softies on but so far I only sentimentally miss those OJs  :'(

I just got a pair of these and honestly I don't see going back to another wheel, except maybe if I had a dedicated pool/"park" board. If you live anywhere with seasons, where the cement is rough and requires huge aggregate rock not to break apart every year, or somewhere where the freeze/thaw cycle chips your asphalt to pieces, you should be skating these wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on June 24, 2021, 07:50:50 PM
Spitfire lists a 55mm tablet on that chart, but can anyone confirm that they actually exist? Google search will turn up results with retailers that have them listed but always out of stock.  I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy.
I had them on 99, classic F4 white
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ldmch11 on June 24, 2021, 09:43:59 PM
Spitfire lists a 55mm tablet on that chart, but can anyone confirm that they actually exist? Google search will turn up results with retailers that have them listed but always out of stock.  I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy.
got some 55 mm tablets 99 at uprise last year. saw a set at my local a few months back as well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 24, 2021, 10:22:18 PM
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i feel like i will never truly understand the difference between OG classics and conicals but that's okay.
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I don’t understand either.  Based on a few months of research I feel like the OG classics are basically a wider, side-cut tablet with a pretty squared off edge. The conical fulls are essentially the same width but slightly more rounded on the edges and a little less side-cut so slightly heavier feeling.

It is definitely a lot easier when you see them in person, but there is so little in it as well between almost half a dozen of the shapes nowdays, only a mm here or there, a slightly wider surface, or profile and a slightly squarer or rounder edge that either cuts away or stays out a bit more.

Even as the wheels wear down, the profile and riding surface change considerably between say 54mm when new to worn 52mm or less.

At least the x ray looking / black with white lines spec sheet (with the inside line of the wheel clearly defined) gives a bit more info and if you are only looking at it on a phone instead of a decent size computer screen it will be a whole lot harder to work out the differences.



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Spitfire lists a 55mm tablet on that chart, but can anyone confirm that they actually exist? Google search will turn up results with retailers that have them listed but always out of stock.  I'm beginning to think it's a conspiracy.
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The chart has plenty of wheels that are no longer offered (or possibly never made) and it is also missing specs for wheels that they did make (51mm radials, 50mm tablets and other lil smokies).

Even their spring catalog on their website has wheels listed that I doubt they've made in the past year.
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Pretty sure the catalog is supposed to be what's being offered this season, not a bunch of random numbers. That's why the small wheels you mentioned aren't included.
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Sorry that I didn't make my post clear, they were supposed to be 2 different points. The chart that's included with purchased wheels don't have specs for all the wheels they make. The catalog on their website has wheels listed that they don't sell.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/2020-delivery-4/

I think I have seen pics from other shops or had almost every wheel in the past catalogs, but increasingly some wheels only go to a handful of stores (and I follow way too many shops on instagram) so if you are not there when that drop lands in those stores, you would most likely never see those wheels, especially seeing as there are only minimal quantities of some of them, even more so if they are prebooked - ordered in advance sometimes a few months before they even come out.

Apart from the F4 OG Classics in limited runs of 58 and 60 or the very limited run of 97 Conical Full, I don't think there have been any other wheels come out in anything bigger than 56mm, certainly no Classics, OG Classics or Bigheads in the original formula since the pandemic and production closures.


There are more F4 Classic Full wheels coming as well, but only in 52, 53 and 54mm (same as Bighead shape) for anyone who likes a slightly wider rounder wheel.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: con_hielo on June 25, 2021, 01:01:49 PM
Alright, impulse-bought a set of F4 56mm Conical Fulls. Been extremely happy with my switch to F4 54mm Tablets from Bones SPF as mentioned elsewhere in this thread. However, I have this hunch that I’ll like super wide F4s even more. It’s been ages since I used a wheel larger than 54mm so that will be interesting, too.

EDIT

First session with these new wheels was interesting. As with my Tablets before, I am impressed with how good 99A F4s feel right from the start. They grip and slide in a controlled way even before they get a bit of a texture.

Even though my setup felt quite different with the 56mm Conical Fulls at first (Tablets were down to barely 52mm), I didn't have much trouble getting a good pop out of it. The increased angle might even work in my favor.

Speed and control with these large, wide wheels are insane. Like riding on a rail track, but with the ability to break out and adjust when needed. If that makes sense. The difference on rough ground is astonishing.

Feels like my setup (Gonz 9.81, 169 Indys) has really come together with these wheels, however I am not sure if I can really get myself to flip it. The weight and size has gotten to a point where it's just really painful to miss a flick and hit your ankles.

Flipping is overrated xD
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 30, 2021, 10:29:40 AM
The summer drop of Spitfire wheels are on the website. There aren't any 97du on there?!  :'(

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

EDIT: Nevermind, the 97du are on there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on June 30, 2021, 12:16:56 PM
The summer drop of Spitfire wheels are on the website. There aren't any 97du on there?!  :'(

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

Whaaaaa?

What the fuck

I love mine. Only ever see everyone else say the same.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 30, 2021, 12:46:03 PM
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The summer drop of Spitfire wheels are on the website. There aren't any 97du on there?!  :'(

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/
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Whaaaaa?

What the fuck

I love mine. Only ever see everyone else say the same.

I love mine too. They're the only wheels that I found that work well on the super slick skatepark concrete. Luckily I have the 3 sets that I need, but I was hoping they'd expand the 97du to other shapes/sizes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 30, 2021, 12:51:58 PM
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The summer drop of Spitfire wheels are on the website. There aren't any 97du on there?!  :'(

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/
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Whaaaaa?

What the fuck

I love mine. Only ever see everyone else say the same.


Yes there are...


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer21/sf-sm21-97s.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 30, 2021, 12:59:33 PM
Looks like production could have been coming back to almost normal (before urethane shortages cause production issues again, that is).

Interested to see how many of these Radials in 54 or 56mm make it to places too, seeing as some people really liked them or wanted more.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer21/sf-sm21-radials.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TimmyB88 on June 30, 2021, 01:18:52 PM
I'm just here to say I fucking love the 97A F4's
Specifically the 58mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on June 30, 2021, 01:24:08 PM
Just bought some Spitfire 97a wheels from Skate Warehouse the other day, when they had their 20% off sale. There are still plenty available

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/searchresults.html?search=products#search=products&searchtext=97a+spitfire

And yes, I'll say it again - these are the best wheel I've found for anyone who isn't skating in flawless parks or in places with persistent rain and the freeze/thaw cycle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 30, 2021, 01:24:50 PM
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The summer drop of Spitfire wheels are on the website. There aren't any 97du on there?!  :'(

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/
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Whaaaaa?

What the fuck

I love mine. Only ever see everyone else say the same.
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Yes there are...

Oops, you're right. I have no clue how I missed that. Really glad they're still around.


Looks like production could have been coming back to almost normal (before urethane shortages cause production issues again, that is).
Interested to see how many of these Radials in 54 or 56mm make it to places too, seeing as some people really liked them or wanted more.

It's nice they're offering the raw/white colored ones but at least the Radials got a lot of sizes of the Skate Like a Girl series in the past year. I swear that colored wheels are more slick though. Also, I noticed that just because they're on the spitfire website, doesn't mean you'll be able to find them anywhere online or at a shop.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 30, 2021, 01:51:51 PM
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The summer drop of Spitfire wheels are on the website. There aren't any 97du on there?!  :'(

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/
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Whaaaaa?

What the fuck

I love mine. Only ever see everyone else say the same.
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Yes there are...
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Oops, you're right. I have no clue how I missed that. Really glad they're still around.



I know the site sometimes takes a bit to load, so as it is all pic squares, it would be easy to miss if they didn't load as you wouldn't see it.

Re current catalog

They have the full lines of all sizes of the current wheels showing in this one, but as said before, I haven't seen anything over about 56mm apart from the F4 OG 58 and the 97 CF 58 in the last year.

Don't know how many and of what is released, or if they are all snapped up with pre books, but I have seen some huge orders in US shop Instagram posts recently - pretty much all the sizes, colours, etc.

I guess that often doesn't translate to being easy to find or available online, especially as a few of those shops don't really put things into their online store as they sell very well in their physical locations.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 30, 2021, 02:06:47 PM
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The summer drop of Spitfire wheels are on the website. There aren't any 97du on there?!  :'(

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/
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Whaaaaa?

What the fuck

I love mine. Only ever see everyone else say the same.
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Yes there are...
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Oops, you're right. I have no clue how I missed that. Really glad they're still around.


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They have the full lines of all sizes of the current wheels showing in this one, but as said before, I haven't seen anything over about 56mm apart from the F4 OG 58 and the 97 CF 58 in the last year.

You're right, they're hard to find but a google search came up with these. Although shipping to Australia might be rough.

https://www.oldskullskateboards.com/spitfire-f4-99d-og-classic-60mm-skateboard-wheels-set-of-4/

http://www.satelliteboardshop.com/skate/wheels/spitfire/formula-4-classic-99d-60mm-pid-26038

https://www.amazon.com/Spitfire-Skateboard-Wheels-Classics-Formula/dp/B08NMYJYT7/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=spitfire%2B60mm&qid=1625087028&sr=8-1&th=1&psc=1
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 30, 2021, 02:09:10 PM
For people in EU, or maybe Germany at least, this place seems to have a lot of wheels...


https://www.instagram.com/p/CQq2R13lXjR/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 30, 2021, 02:16:37 PM

You're right, they're hard to find but a google search came up with these. Although shipping to Australia might be rough.


There are still some out there - all the 60mm wheels I am sitting on are not going anywhere, unless it is for very specific people I know who ride them, but for most people who could ride anything, what they can easily get in 56mm is plenty big enough.

Before I had a skate shop of my own, I had ordered from places like Skull Skates a bit over the years and it wasn't too bad for shipping, but there are usually local options in every country that many people wouldn't know about, or at least easier ways to source the "hard to find" things, if you know where to look.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 30, 2021, 02:21:42 PM
For people in EU, or maybe Germany at least, this place seems to have a lot of wheels...


https://www.instagram.com/p/CQq2R13lXjR/

Damn I want those 48mm lil smokies in that first picture! I have some 50mm ones but I didn't know they made them as small as 48mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on June 30, 2021, 02:57:14 PM
I'm interested in trying those 56mm Radials. Anyone have any commentary on the difference in riding experience from Conical Fulls?
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 30, 2021, 03:45:19 PM

Damn I want those 48mm lil smokies in that first picture! I have some 50mm ones but I didn't know they made them as small as 48mm.

They are almost the little hidden gems of Spitfire - not in catalogs, not listed anywhere other than shops, supposed to be a pricepoint wheel (although some shops still have them at premium prices) but also come in various shapes too, eg classic, tablet, conical full, etc mostly 50 but also 48mm.


I'm interested in trying those 56mm Radials. Anyone have any commentary on the difference in riding experience from Conical Fulls?

For 56mm size in both that I had, the radials are not as wide and are just a bit easier to get on and off coping when I skated transition and ramps with them.  Didn't really use them for much else, other than going fast, but they both have a decent side to "lock in" on ledges and similar too.

I did find anything over 54 in conical full is a bit much for me in width and profile, but I really like the bigger classics and classic full rounder shapes in bigger sizes.  They also wear down a lot better for me too, eg when 56-58 classics are down to 52mm, they are wider with a slight edge but still feel like classics, not the sharper edge of conical full wheels.  Radials are the same as classics, in that they are not as wide, slightly rounder and don't end up with a sharp edge.

That is just me though, as I know some people love the conical full in the bigger sizes.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PrettyRicki on June 30, 2021, 04:11:36 PM
I'm interested in trying those 56mm Radials. Anyone have any commentary on the difference in riding experience from Conical Fulls?

Radials feel a lot like slightly worn down Classics where Conical Fulls are a very beefy wheel that gives lots of traction.
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Post by: moonordie on June 30, 2021, 05:42:27 PM
Looks like production could have been coming back to almost normal (before urethane shortages cause production issues again, that is).

Interested to see how many of these Radials in 54 or 56mm make it to places too, seeing as some people really liked them or wanted more.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer21/sf-sm21-radials.jpg)
At the end Radials are like Classics full rightm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 30, 2021, 07:35:25 PM

At the end Radials are like Classics full right

Radials are almost the same width as normal classics, but a much squarer profile.

Classic Full are a wider wheel overall, so add 1 to 2 mm to the middle width of classics, but yeah only 1 or 2 mm total width difference, to .5 mm difference between classic to radials.

I should take a pic of the Classic Full packaging, but they actually get all the measurements wrong for the larger sizes, the 56 and 58 mm wheels.


Fixed the widths to be more accurate, although I think they were maybe .5 mm wider in the 56 and 58 mm sizes.



(https://i.ibb.co/v4cKzCy/Spitfire-classic-full-specs-1a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HTKkgLw)


Spitfire Chart
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Post by: rocklobster on June 30, 2021, 10:17:04 PM
Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Post by: Xen on June 30, 2021, 11:29:03 PM
Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.

Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.

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Post by: Xen on July 01, 2021, 12:10:13 AM
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Damn I want those 48mm lil smokies in that first picture! I have some 50mm ones but I didn't know they made them as small as 48mm.
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They are almost the little hidden gems of Spitfire - not in catalogs, not listed anywhere other than shops, supposed to be a pricepoint wheel (although some shops still have them at premium prices) but also come in various shapes too, eg classic, tablet, conical full, etc mostly 50 but also 48mm.



50mm/51mm tablets:

https://www.paradeworld.com/search/?query=lil%20smokies
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Post by: tzhangdox on July 01, 2021, 01:38:24 AM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.

Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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Post by: rocklobster on July 01, 2021, 04:26:55 AM
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide

Wish they did more limited run pro graphics on the Radial Slims, this shape never gets the pro colorway love.
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Post by: Xen on July 01, 2021, 08:36:39 AM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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Wish they did more limited run pro graphics on the Radial Slims, this shape never gets the pro colorway love.

One assumes that a pro would actually ride them to warrant a colorway right? Maybe no one does? That's how wheel shapes go away...classic slim/full, the A.W.O.L shape (F1 shape, never an F4 shape)...if sales/pros aren't there why make them?

F4 Classic slim:
(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-wheels-reynolds-street-sweepers-99du-classic-slims-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p27595-67845_medium.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on July 01, 2021, 09:03:19 AM
RIP classic full. I think it's a bit of self fulfilling prophecy though; more people would probably buy classic fulls if the graphic on big heads wasn't so dog shit.
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Post by: RichardBarkley on July 01, 2021, 11:14:24 AM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide

I'm intrigued. What makes them so good.?
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Post by: PrettyRicki on July 01, 2021, 11:24:37 AM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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I'm intrigued. What makes them so good.?

The sharp sides on the tablets (and lock-ins) made them grind kind of weird, like it was slowing it down instead of rolling along. The tablets I've tried also made shuvs and some flip tricks behave different as well.

I've only tried Radial slims in 51mm (both 99du and 101du) and it made my board feel like some sort of dead toy but they grinded and slid well. Maybe it was that particular deck or my truck setup, I might try them again in the future with a different setup.

I did really, really enjoy my set of 51mm Radials 99du (not slims) but they were only offered in green for the Skate Like a Girl collab.
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Post by: tzhangdox on July 01, 2021, 11:34:25 AM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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I'm intrigued. What makes them so good.?

Unless you really really need that maximum immediate riding surface on the thinnest wheel, radial slims pretty much do everything tablets do but better.

Same width, still a good amount of riding surface (more than classics), lock in pretty much just as good as they're still a square ish wheel (I skate round rails a good amount and the lock in difference is very minimal). But because they taper a teeny bit and have a slight sidecut, they feel a little more nimble, less clunky and slappy better.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lloyd Braun on July 01, 2021, 12:52:22 PM
RIP classic full. I think it's a bit of self fulfilling prophecy though; more people would probably buy classic fulls if the graphic on big heads wasn't so dog shit.

Do y’all really care about graphics? Mine are gone in less than a week.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on July 01, 2021, 01:33:25 PM
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RIP classic full. I think it's a bit of self fulfilling prophecy though; more people would probably buy classic fulls if the graphic on big heads wasn't so dog shit.
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Do y’all really care about graphics? Mine are gone in less than a week.
It's a psychological thing, like getting thrown off because you know your socks are mismatched. Even if no one sees them, and the graphic is completely worn off, I'll know they looked like ass when I bought them and will resent them. This is why I will never buy STFs; the v4 is a great shape but the highlighter green patterns are so putrid my vibe will be wrong for as long as I'm riding them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 01, 2021, 03:36:48 PM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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Wish they did more limited run pro graphics on the Radial Slims, this shape never gets the pro colorway love.

I know this has been posted before, but the Daan V L wheel was the last one I recall, maybe the only one of the 99 duro radial slim pro wheel.  I think there were others with coloured options and 101 but I tend not to pay so much attention to them.

As for these ones, I actually had a very lightly used set come through my hands and they were a great little wheel to skate, before they went to someone else.


(https://cdn3.volusion.com/mgfmp.dmumc/v/vspfiles/photos/S1-21110110DA52-3.jpg)


I am not such a big fan of graphics on wheels (and usually machine them off before I skate them) but that graphic is pretty cool and I would be lying if I said I have never bought wheels just for the graphic alone.


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/daan-side-show-radial-slims-99d-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p34039-84549_zoom.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 01, 2021, 05:30:10 PM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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I'm intrigued. What makes them so good.?
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The sharp sides on the tablets (and lock-ins) made them grind kind of weird, like it was slowing it down instead of rolling along. The tablets I've tried also made shuvs and some flip tricks behave different as well.

I've only tried Radial slims in 51mm (both 99du and 101du) and it made my board feel like some sort of dead toy but they grinded and slid well. Maybe it was that particular deck or my truck setup, I might try them again in the future with a different setup.

I did really, really enjoy my set of 51mm Radials 99du (not slims) but they were only offered in green for the Skate Like a Girl collab.

I thought it was just me, the tablets made everything but ledge skating and straight ollies feel off
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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I'm intrigued. What makes them so good.?
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Unless you really really need that maximum immediate riding surface on the thinnest wheel, radial slims pretty much do everything tablets do but better.

Same width, still a good amount of riding surface (more than classics), lock in pretty much just as good as they're still a square ish wheel (I skate round rails a good amount and the lock in difference is very minimal). But because they taper a teeny bit and have a slight sidecut, they feel a little more nimble, less clunky and slappy better.



Clunky is the right way to describe the tablets, especially the taller you go.

Anyone know how the OG classics compare to radial slims?
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Post by: Ok on July 01, 2021, 06:57:50 PM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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Wish they did more limited run pro graphics on the Radial Slims, this shape never gets the pro colorway love.
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I know this has been posted before, but the Daan V L wheel was the last one I recall, maybe the only one of the 99 duro radial slim pro wheel.  I think there were others with coloured options and 101 but I tend not to pay so much attention to them.

As for these ones, I actually had a very lightly used set come through my hands and they were a great little wheel to skate, before they went to someone else.


(https://cdn3.volusion.com/mgfmp.dmumc/v/vspfiles/photos/S1-21110110DA52-3.jpg)


I am not such a big fan of graphics on wheels (and usually machine them off before I skate them) but that graphic is pretty cool and I would be lying if I said I have never bought wheels just for the graphic alone.


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/daan-side-show-radial-slims-99d-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p34039-84549_zoom.jpg)


This graphic is too nice. Reminds me somewhat of a Zoo York board that I had: I wanna say Jeff Pang, tiger balm. Venture mids (at least I think they made a mid truck somewhere in the 95-97 ish years).

As to f4s: fave wheels. I tried to do the conical full thing, and just never like them. I pretty much just like the classic shape. I liked the Mike Anderson sfw wheel tho, and that was chunkier….whatever. Pretty big fan of the 97s I have, hopefully they make them smaller.
Anyone have some pros and cons to the classic formula vs the f4s? Meaning, is there any pros to the classic formula?
Wheels have gone from not an afterthought, but they certainly weren’t my first consideration with a setup, to being the thing that changes the rest of the parts: switched from skating the deck size and truck style I like, to accommodate bigger wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on July 02, 2021, 01:06:20 AM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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I'm intrigued. What makes them so good.?
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Unless you really really need that maximum immediate riding surface on the thinnest wheel, radial slims pretty much do everything tablets do but better.

Same width, still a good amount of riding surface (more than classics), lock in pretty much just as good as they're still a square ish wheel (I skate round rails a good amount and the lock in difference is very minimal). But because they taper a teeny bit and have a slight sidecut, they feel a little more nimble, less clunky and slappy better.

Lock better than Lock-Ins - less side wall rub for a more natural grind
Wider riding patch than classics
Narrower than a Classic or Conical
Slight curve to the lip makes scoopy tricks easier, albiet less than a classic

TLDR- technical like a Classic, grippy like a Conical, but skinnier like a classic should be
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 02, 2021, 01:24:32 AM

I thought it was just me, the tablets made everything but ledge skating and straight ollies feel off

Clunky is the right way to describe the tablets, especially the taller you go.

Anyone know how the OG classics compare to radial slims?


I went and dug them out and have all of them now sitting on my desk to compare - Tablets, OG Classics, Radial slims and Conical wheels.

Why Conicals?  Well just to compare all of them and I would almost say the normal Conical wheels are the closest to Radial slims for the side profile and overall size, width and riding surface, with OG Classics closer to Tablets in the side profile, even though the OG cut in and Tablets do not.

As for the specs, diameter / width / riding surface as follows:

Radial slim  ....  52  /  30     /  18.5
Conical       ....  52  /  31.5  /  19.5
Tablets        ...  52  /  29    /  20
OG Classics  ..  52  /  31    /  21.5
Classics      ...  52  /  32    /  15.5



EDIT:  I know I often do things that others might think crazy, including taking an angle grinder to wheels to shape them into slightly rounder wheels (usually from old Conical Full wheels) but when I am looking at the Conical wheels, if you took a touch off each side at the widest point they would pretty much be Radial slims, but I probably would not recommend doing this unless you are fairly confident of what you are doing.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNzIL65lTst/

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Post by: moonordie on July 02, 2021, 05:16:22 AM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide
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Wish they did more limited run pro graphics on the Radial Slims, this shape never gets the pro colorway love.
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I know this has been posted before, but the Daan V L wheel was the last one I recall, maybe the only one of the 99 duro radial slim pro wheel.  I think there were others with coloured options and 101 but I tend not to pay so much attention to them.

As for these ones, I actually had a very lightly used set come through my hands and they were a great little wheel to skate, before they went to someone else.


(https://cdn3.volusion.com/mgfmp.dmumc/v/vspfiles/photos/S1-21110110DA52-3.jpg)


I am not such a big fan of graphics on wheels (and usually machine them off before I skate them) but that graphic is pretty cool and I would be lying if I said I have never bought wheels just for the graphic alone.


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/daan-side-show-radial-slims-99d-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p34039-84549_zoom.jpg)
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This graphic is too nice. Reminds me somewhat of a Zoo York board that I had: I wanna say Jeff Pang, tiger balm. Venture mids (at least I think they made a mid truck somewhere in the 95-97 ish years).

As to f4s: fave wheels. I tried to do the conical full thing, and just never like them. I pretty much just like the classic shape. I liked the Mike Anderson sfw wheel tho, and that was chunkier….whatever. Pretty big fan of the 97s I have, hopefully they make them smaller.
Anyone have some pros and cons to the classic formula vs the f4s? Meaning, is there any pros to the classic formula?
Short answer: No, unless you like flat spots.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 02, 2021, 10:55:37 AM
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I thought it was just me, the tablets made everything but ledge skating and straight ollies feel off

Clunky is the right way to describe the tablets, especially the taller you go.

Anyone know how the OG classics compare to radial slims?
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I went and dug them out and have all of them now sitting on my desk to compare - Tablets, OG Classics, Radial slims and Conical wheels.

Why Conicals?  Well just to compare all of them and I would almost say the normal Conical wheels are the closest to Radial slims for the side profile and overall size, width and riding surface, with OG Classics closer to Tablets in the side profile, even though the OG cut in and Tablets do not.

As for the specs, diameter / width / riding surface as follows:

Radial slim  ....  52  /  30     /  18.5
Conical       ....  52  /  31.5  /  19.5
Tablets        ...  52  /  29    /  20
OG Classics  ..  52  /  31    /  21.5
Classics      ...  52  /  32    /  15.5



EDIT:  I know I often do things that others might think crazy, including taking an angle grinder to wheels to shape them into slightly rounder wheels (usually from old Conical Full wheels) but when I am looking at the Conical wheels, if you took a touch off each side at the widest point they would pretty much be Radial slims, but I probably would not recommend doing this unless you are fairly confident of what you are doing.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNzIL65lTst/



Thanks for that, very helpful. Guess I need to find a set of radial slims in 99a somehow as I was looking at the OG classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 02, 2021, 02:25:18 PM

Anyone have some pros and cons to the classic formula vs the f4s? Meaning, is there any pros to the classic formula?



Most people prefer the F4 over the original formula, but there are still lots of people who prefer the original for whatever reason, the least of all being the "white colour" of original compared to the "natural colour" of the F4 nowdays, which is quite dark compared to a brand new set of the originals, as per an interview with Brian Anderson (9 club?).

I guess some of those guys who get however many wheels a month don't need to worry so much about flatspots or how long a set of wheels last, but I know I still have a lot of old originals and although they feel different to F4, I still know exactly what they feel like and could ride them easily enough if there were no more F4 wheels, which is also the appeal to many pro riders - they know what they feel like as they have been riding them for so long and don't want to change.

That said, the F4 is far superior in every way and I have no issues with the colour, certainly they last longer, have fewer issues with flatspots (any wheel will flatspot if you push them hard enough) and actually retain their colour more so than the older originals too, which turn very dark yellowy brown after some time.

Originals when brand new were way more susceptible to flatspots and wear issues (they wear down way faster than older weathered originals) which is why I really like skating the older sets I have, but if there was one wheel you had to stick with forever more, the F4 99 duro would be it.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on July 03, 2021, 08:24:36 AM
In my opinion, there’s nothing special about pre-F4 Spitfire wheels. You might as well just get Mini Logo at that point, they’re fairly standard polyurethane. F4 absolutely cranks it up and it becomes the best all around wheel you can buy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 03, 2021, 07:02:48 PM
Just doing a bit of digging, as I wanted to find the Spitfire shape guide from 2013 when they first came out.

Pretty minimal, only four shapes, but kinda cool at the same time.


(https://classicskateshop1.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/sf-formula-four-info-sheet.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 03, 2021, 07:26:02 PM
Then for a while they had these options, not sure exactly when but maybe more like 2015-2016

Measurements are out for the Classic Full shape - they were wider than listed.


(https://media.rainpos.com/3261/spitfire_formular_four_shapes.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Brad Breath on July 03, 2021, 10:29:14 PM
I came here to say that, I, too, have never bought wheels for a graphic but those Fabiana Spits with the Led Zepp graphic are my shape/size and I’m a Zeppelin fan.

I’d skate them graphics out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 04, 2021, 11:09:49 PM
I had forgotten they launched with a tablet, then discontinued it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 10, 2021, 02:26:44 PM
Has anyone seen Radials in 99A and 52mm being available anywhere?
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Post by: fs1/2cab on July 11, 2021, 01:33:08 AM
Has anyone seen Radials in 99A and 52mm being available anywhere?

https://www.vamos-skateshop.com/p/spitfire-f4-embers-52mm-radial-black-99a

These were the only one I could find. I understand if you don't feel like black wheels.
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Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 11, 2021, 01:51:35 AM
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https://www.vamos-skateshop.com/p/spitfire-f4-embers-52mm-radial-black-99a

These were the only one I could find. I understand if you don't feel like black wheels.

Thanks, frankly I just look past colored wheels. I have considered the 54mm pink ones to switch things up but I’d probably regret it.
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Post by: fs1/2cab on July 11, 2021, 02:49:20 AM
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https://www.vamos-skateshop.com/p/spitfire-f4-embers-52mm-radial-black-99a

These were the only one I could find. I understand if you don't feel like black wheels.
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Thanks, frankly I just look past colored wheels. I have considered the 54mm pink ones to switch things up but I’d probably regret it.

I think the pink ones look rad, but I am not sure I would enjoy them ^^
By the way, check your DMs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ChuckRamone on July 17, 2021, 11:41:50 PM
Anyone skated the 97d? How are they?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on July 18, 2021, 10:23:18 AM
Anyone skated the 97d? How are they?

I tried a set of 97a/53mm Classics. They felt slow, and waxy. Didn't slide as well. A tad bit smoother on crust, but at least to me, that did not offset the other drawbacks enough to run them on the regular.
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Post by: manysnakes on July 18, 2021, 01:13:25 PM
Anyone skated the 97d? How are they?

If you mean the F4 97a wheels, I can’t praise them enough. IMO a perfect wheel for anyone skating crusty spots and streets, basically for people not skating new skateparks and glass-smooth Southern California/Arizona concrete. I tried to go back the exact same wheel in 101a and it rattled my teeth loose.

They are indeed slightly slower and they skid differently than harder wheels, but not better or worse. They are also more porous and gold humidity better, so if you leave them in a hot car, they’ll feel like shit for a minute until they dry out. Still though, I find this all worth it for a wheel that can much more easily roll over PNW crust.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on July 18, 2021, 01:13:59 PM
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Anyone skated the 97d? How are they?
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I tried a set of 97a/53mm Classics. They felt slow, and waxy. Didn't slide as well. A tad bit smoother on crust, but at least to me, that did not offset the other drawbacks enough to run them on the regular.

I’ll buy them off you or trade you for some 52mm conical full 101a wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ChuckRamone on July 18, 2021, 01:33:20 PM
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Anyone skated the 97d? How are they?
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I tried a set of 97a/53mm Classics. They felt slow, and waxy. Didn't slide as well. A tad bit smoother on crust, but at least to me, that did not offset the other drawbacks enough to run them on the regular.

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Anyone skated the 97d? How are they?
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If you mean the F4 97a wheels, I can’t praise them enough. IMO a perfect wheel for anyone skating crusty spots and streets, basically for people not skating new skateparks and glass-smooth Southern California/Arizona concrete. I tried to go back the exact same wheel in 101a and it rattled my teeth loose.

They are indeed slightly slower and they skid differently than harder wheels, but not better or worse. They are also more porous and gold humidity better, so if you leave them in a hot car, they’ll feel like shit for a minute until they dry out. Still though, I find this all worth it for a wheel that can much more easily roll over PNW crust.

Yes, I meant the 97a. Thanks for the reviews.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jay_nev on July 19, 2021, 09:38:18 AM
Anyone skated the 97d? How are they?
search 97a there is a ton of feedback. very good feedback
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: superleftswipebby on July 24, 2021, 03:37:17 PM
current on preowned 58mm (now54-53) radial fulls. really love how these slide. but now they’re too small for my liking. would 58mm og classics be a good alternative?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 25, 2021, 12:24:20 AM
current on preowned 58mm (now54-53) radial fulls. really love how these slide. but now they’re too small for my liking. would 58mm og classics be a good alternative?

The Radials below are widely available at the moment (56mm). OG Classics are more like Conicals, actually with an even wider riding surface and slightly sharper edges. If you like the rounded edges of Radials, 60mm Classics might be a better alternative, the riding surface will get closer to Radials over time.

(https://i.ibb.co/pJ8cqjC/E0147-D80-419-A-4-D19-AE39-971910-FA6218.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: superleftswipebby on July 27, 2021, 07:13:39 AM
thanks for the looks dawg. they’re outta stock in canada. hoping they restock soon!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 28, 2021, 06:28:19 AM
Was curious and tried a set of 97A Classics (53mm). Skating flat on rough asphalt they were definitely smoothing things out a bit compared to 99A, however at the same time they felt squishy/bouncy and really slow. Powering through slides worked to some extend, but I'd also get stuck a lot. I also realized that I actually like a more direct feel and sound, riding through cracks and different patches of asphalt felt off.

I think this duro is more for wide and large wheels that are generally very stable and fast. It was pretty hot so maybe worth keeping them for the winter, but I'll stick to 99A which I absolutely love. Good news is the Classic shape really helped with the flip tricks I am currently working on, so I guess I am going back to the roots after years of riding mostly wide, conical shapes with sharper edges.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on August 12, 2021, 07:16:55 AM
I’ve seen 97a classic fulls listed on SoCal. Anybody know if they exist or is it a misprint?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on August 14, 2021, 06:27:23 PM
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Bummer there aren't Radial Slims in the catalog, those are my favorite shape. They make Classics feel chunky by comparison.
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Same. After riding tablets (which I've determined I don't like at all for curbs), I switched back to radial slims. Easily the most underrated wheel in the line-up; I hope it being MIA from the catalog doesn't mean it's going away/replaced by the Tablets.
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Facts. Radial slims >>>>>>> tablets by a landslide

This! I’ve skated classics for forever! I’ve had some other wheels but shaped same as the classics. I got some 51mm tablets and it was an amazing change! Then I got some 52mm radial slime and it changed my life!! Hahaha I hope they aren’t doing away with them. I picked up another set just in case. I’d like to get the 54s or
56s. Does anything feel better than them?  I know it’s all personal preference but damn, I’m never buying classics again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hiljentaa on August 14, 2021, 06:38:31 PM
Noticed the Classic Full shape has returned-

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer21/sf-sm21-repeaters-capsule.jpg)

Still no Radial Slims.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: superleftswipebby on August 14, 2021, 08:32:29 PM
Noticed the Classic Full shape has returned-

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer21/sf-sm21-repeaters-capsule.jpg)

Still no Radial Slims.

still no big sizes either. for months there’s been a ton of comments requesting for 58s and 60s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 15, 2021, 12:19:52 AM
Noticed the Classic Full shape has returned-

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer21/sf-sm21-repeaters-capsule.jpg)

Nice, if these hit Europe I’ll get a set. Been enjoying 52mm Classics recently and starting out with a wider surface seems beneficial.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on August 15, 2021, 09:00:06 AM
Noticed the Classic Full shape has returned-

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer21/sf-sm21-repeaters-capsule.jpg)

Still no Radial Slims.

Woah they are back. I would love to try the 54's.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DarkPools on August 15, 2021, 10:40:51 AM
I've got some originally 55mm F4 Conical Full 99duro. I've had them on my set up since October, so around 10 months at this point. I'm kind of amazed. The wheels are still solid almost a year later and I've been regularly skating. Sure, they're like a slightly squarer 51-52 (I'm guessing. Haven't measured) at this point so I do feel like I'm going slower or need to push slightly more for speed on some terrain.

It reminded me how long wheels can actually last. I was going through wheels much faster over a year ago because I was finding my niche between Bones STF and eventually trying F4s. I'll take a photo of my wheels and add it in here for reference later.

In summary, I may stick with F4 from here on out (I already bought 2-3 spare pairs earlier this year so methinks I like them haha)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 15, 2021, 10:59:38 AM
I don’t get why Spitfire makes some sizes other colors no one wants black wheels just to get 53’s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on August 15, 2021, 11:08:10 AM
Are classic fulls pretty much same as radials? They have very similar sizing but classics have narrower riding surface.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on August 15, 2021, 11:29:42 AM
Are classic fulls pretty much same as radials? They have very similar sizing but classics have narrower riding surface.

Yeah, they are similar. But classics have more round sidewalls. And a narrower riding surface like you said.
I liked radials and radial slims but for me personally the rounder edges of classics seem beneficial for flips.
Could all be in my head tho.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardAsh on August 22, 2021, 05:44:38 AM
I've used spitfire for 20 years. I can't believe they are 99 durometer because they ride so smooth and fast over cracks and asphalt don't slow it down at all. These are the perfect wheels  (https://www.concretewavemagazine.com/best-skateboard-wheels-for-street)for the street they are fast and give superior control. Formula Four are definitely the best wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: blueskynoise on August 22, 2021, 07:48:32 PM
I've got some originally 55mm F4 Conical Full 99duro. I've had them on my set up since October, so around 10 months at this point. I'm kind of amazed. The wheels are still solid almost a year later and I've been regularly skating. Sure, they're like a slightly squarer 51-52 (I'm guessing. Haven't measured) at this point so I do feel like I'm going slower or need to push slightly more for speed on some terrain.

It reminded me how long wheels can actually last. I was going through wheels much faster over a year ago because I was finding my niche between Bones STF and eventually trying F4s. I'll take a photo of my wheels and add it in here for reference later.

In summary, I may stick with F4 from here on out (I already bought 2-3 spare pairs earlier this year so methinks I like them haha)

I’ve been on some 54 conical fulls for over a year and they just won’t quit. I’ll leave them at the park when i finally change over to a new set of the same exact wheels lol
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: maggot cunt on September 10, 2021, 07:28:20 AM
slap pals, think i may have got a defective wheel or just some bad luck. one out of set of four of my 97du formula 4’s has wigged out on me. this is after 3 maybe 4 times using them maximum, as you can see from the other three wheels theyve barely broken in. the surface of the wheel (other than the cracking) is what id describe as dusty/powdery

(https://i.ibb.co/0Gnt8dg/3-EC96-F75-E0-FA-4-D3-D-B18-E-AA6-E4-EC03800.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/y4rjSp8/9072-EE59-D0-B9-4-ED0-A3-DE-DDE97-F294196.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/cyNV2S6/769-C1-F28-D4-E7-4-A1-A-9-FE9-D810-A0-CE7-A1-D.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: cucktard on September 10, 2021, 07:47:40 AM
slap pals, think i may have got a defective wheel or just some bad luck. one out of set of four of my 97du formula 4’s has wigged out on me. this is after 3 maybe 4 times using them maximum, as you can see from the other three wheels theyve barely broken in. the surface of the wheel (other than the cracking) is what id describe as dusty/powdery


(https://i.ibb.co/0Gnt8dg/3-EC96-F75-E0-FA-4-D3-D-B18-E-AA6-E4-EC03800.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/y4rjSp8/9072-EE59-D0-B9-4-ED0-A3-DE-DDE97-F294196.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/cyNV2S6/769-C1-F28-D4-E7-4-A1-A-9-FE9-D810-A0-CE7-A1-D.jpg)


Looks like they ran out of their secret congealant, cum from a hellride skater.
Of course hellride skaters have abnormally  huge balls, and Spitfire has a special facility for milking these glands. Usually skaters visit for a week or so to get milked, usually right after a hellride. Marketing plays into this as well, and until now thru have had a more-or-less steady supply.

But with hellride becoming more and more scarce with the younger generation (SLAP’s cheerful mocking of hellride is well known at Spitfire), I’m afraid that we’ll see more QC issues like sugary wheels, or they might have to change their formula to F5, which is in its experimental stage, and requires milking extreme pogostick athletes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on September 10, 2021, 07:55:50 AM
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slap pals, think i may have got a defective wheel or just some bad luck. one out of set of four of my 97du formula 4’s has wigged out on me. this is after 3 maybe 4 times using them maximum, as you can see from the other three wheels theyve barely broken in. the surface of the wheel (other than the cracking) is what id describe as dusty/powdery


Looks like they ran out of their secret congealant, cum from a hellride skater.
Of course hellride skaters have huge balls, and Spitfire has a special facility for milking these glands. Usually skaters visit for a week or so to get milked, usually right after a hellride.

But with hellride becoming more and more scare, I’m afraid that we’ll see more QC isdues, or they might have to change their formula to F5, which is in its experimental stage, and requires milking extreme pogostick athletes.
(https://i.ibb.co/0Gnt8dg/3-EC96-F75-E0-FA-4-D3-D-B18-E-AA6-E4-EC03800.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/y4rjSp8/9072-EE59-D0-B9-4-ED0-A3-DE-DDE97-F294196.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/cyNV2S6/769-C1-F28-D4-E7-4-A1-A-9-FE9-D810-A0-CE7-A1-D.jpg)
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Oh shit, I have a set of this exact wheel sitting on my shelf for winter use after trying it one time.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 10, 2021, 10:34:18 AM
Email DLX their warranty is great. That’s probably the most sold wheel in their lineup and I don’t think I’ve ever had that issue myself or see a wheel just fall apart. A lot of shops will just give you a new set and deal with it with their rep.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 11, 2021, 02:18:30 AM
Second on contacting Deluxe. They have your back.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 11, 2021, 06:06:53 AM
slap pals, think i may have got a defective wheel or just some bad luck. one out of set of four of my 97du formula 4’s has wigged out on me. this is after 3 maybe 4 times using them maximum, as you can see from the other three wheels theyve barely broken in. the surface of the wheel (other than the cracking) is what id describe as dusty/powdery


Usually contact the shop you bought them from, otherwise contact DLXSF.COM directly (Hit us up) in the top right of the website, with these pics and details of when and where you got them.

https://www.dlxsf.com/



Oh shit, I have a set of this exact wheel sitting on my shelf for winter use after trying it one time.


Of hundreds if not thousands of each style of wheels, the returns rate is so very, very low that there is minimal chance that your set may be faulty too.

I might have had about twenty or more sets of F4 classics on my boards (as well as hundreds through my hands) and have only had one set with warranty issues in that time.

There have been bad batches from time to time too, but again it is very limited and DLX replace wheels if found to be faulty.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on September 11, 2021, 07:17:16 AM
I asked Jim for venture style bushings when mine blew out and I couldn't find the same shaped bushings as the stock. Jim sent me a whole new pair, 4 dlx bushings, and a venture mug. DLX will get your back on your wheel for sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on September 11, 2021, 08:14:28 AM
I asked Jim for venture style bushings when mine blew out and I couldn't find the same shaped bushings as the stock. Jim sent me a whole new pair, 4 dlx bushings, and a venture mug. DLX will get your back on your wheel for sure.

How did you get through to him?

I need to ask them something on ventures
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on September 11, 2021, 08:18:57 AM
I’ve gotten a response every time I’ve emailed the generic help email on any DLX site. Same dude answered for Thunder and Venture. In each case they sent me more bushings than I’ll ever need and a fat grip of stickers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 11, 2021, 09:25:37 AM
I’ve gotten a response every time I’ve emailed the generic help email on any DLX site. Same dude answered for Thunder and Venture. In each case they sent me more bushings than I’ll ever need and a fat grip of stickers

Jim T and DLX (plus the brands under them) are active on IG, always get a reply from them within a day or 2.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 13, 2021, 12:11:38 AM
Anyone rode Radials in 53mm recently? Really enjoyed the Radial Slims for the lock, Classics not so much, the rounded edge didn't work for me on locking into grinds.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 13, 2021, 12:21:58 AM
I’ve just come off a set of radial 53s, onto conical fulls. I find the radials a healthy point between boxy conical wheels and the over round classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 13, 2021, 12:36:55 AM
I’ve just come off a set of radial 53s, onto conical fulls. I find the radials a healthy point between boxy conical wheels and the over round classics

Nice, would like preferred Radial Slims but those are hard to come by these days. I'm riding some skinny Autobahn Dual Durometers, even though they weigh the same as Classics they feel much more nimble. Must be the hard plastic core adding weight.

53mm Classics - 53 x 33 x 16
53mm Radials - 53 x 33 x 19.5
53mm Radial Slims - 53 x 30.5 x 19
53mm Conical Full - 53 x 33.5 x 21.5
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: newguy on September 13, 2021, 04:48:36 AM
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slap pals, think i may have got a defective wheel or just some bad luck. one out of set of four of my 97du formula 4’s has wigged out on me. this is after 3 maybe 4 times using them maximum, as you can see from the other three wheels theyve barely broken in. the surface of the wheel (other than the cracking) is what id describe as dusty/powdery


(https://i.ibb.co/0Gnt8dg/3-EC96-F75-E0-FA-4-D3-D-B18-E-AA6-E4-EC03800.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/y4rjSp8/9072-EE59-D0-B9-4-ED0-A3-DE-DDE97-F294196.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/cyNV2S6/769-C1-F28-D4-E7-4-A1-A-9-FE9-D810-A0-CE7-A1-D.jpg)


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Looks like they ran out of their secret congealant, cum from a hellride skater.
Of course hellride skaters have abnormally  huge balls, and Spitfire has a special facility for milking these glands. Usually skaters visit for a week or so to get milked, usually right after a hellride. Marketing plays into this as well, and until now thru have had a more-or-less steady supply.

But with hellride becoming more and more scarce with the younger generation (SLAP’s cheerful mocking of hellride is well known at Spitfire), I’m afraid that we’ll see more QC issues like sugary wheels, or they might have to change their formula to F5, which is in its experimental stage, and requires milking extreme pogostick athletes.

Will the pogo stick cum give us more air time on lilies and transition though
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 13, 2021, 06:41:51 PM
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I’ve just come off a set of radial 53s, onto conical fulls. I find the radials a healthy point between boxy conical wheels and the over round classics
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Nice, would like preferred Radial Slims but those are hard to come by these days. I'm riding some skinny Autobahn Dual Durometers, even though they weigh the same as Classics they feel much more nimble. Must be the hard plastic core adding weight.

53mm Classics - 53 x 33 x 16
53mm Radials - 53 x 33 x 19.5
53mm Radial Slims - 53 x 30.5 x 19
53mm Conical Full - 53 x 33.5 x 21.5

I still have a few sets and prefer them right out of the packet compared to classics, which I like once they have worn down a few mm, so that would be a +1 from me for radials. 

Not sure if the extra width would make you over think them, or if they do feel a bit wide, compared to Radial Slims, but I think that size and shape is a winner.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardAsh on September 18, 2021, 11:36:57 PM
First off spitfire is my #1 choice for skateboard wheels. These wheels last me a long time and don’t get flat spots easily. Spitfire wheels have always been favored by most skaters  (https://www.concretewavemagazine.com/best-skateboard-wheels-for-street)because they are reliable and smooth. This is the first time I’ve bought 48mm wheels and I love them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DillsDarts on September 19, 2021, 12:13:33 AM
So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: HyenaChaser on September 19, 2021, 12:48:59 AM
So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???

I skate mostly street and always use conical full 55s. If I skate transition it’s basically just surfing the bowl or very basic mini ramp. But I like the conical fills for ledge dancing and manual finagling, especially on rougher ground. So in my opinion you may already be good to go.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on September 19, 2021, 10:40:40 AM
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So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???
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I skate mostly street and always use conical full 55s. If I skate transition it’s basically just surfing the bowl or very basic mini ramp. But I like the conical fills for ledge dancing and manual finagling, especially on rougher ground. So in my opinion you may already be good to go.

I am using two setups now, a 9.81" Krooked Gonzales with 56mm Conical Fulls for transition, and 9.25" Heroin popsicle with 52mm Classics for street. Love the speed, stability, and lock-in of the Conical Fulls in the bowl. However, I can skate the bowl using the Classics better than I can skate street with the Conical Fulls.

Obviously, the size is a major factor, however I really enjoy the smaller resistance of the Classics when skating ledges and flat ground. If I had to pick one wheel, it would be the Classics, maybe 54mm instead of 52mm. This favors tech over crust though, I think it’s hard to balance those.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 19, 2021, 03:45:37 PM
So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???

In the shapes department, squarer shapes like Conical Full and OG Classics with wider riding surface are good for crust, grip and locking in to things more, or to redefine, they will hold you onto an edge more so than rounder shapes.  Classic / round shapes are easier to get on and off edges and coping, sometimes with people saying they cannot lock in as easily, or slip out a lot more than with them too, but I feel like Classics / rounder wheels make it easier to grind further on coping, but that is just me.

Both work well for various things, but as with almost all Spitfires, the size goes up proportionately so the taller the wheel, the wider it is too.

If anyone was not quite sure of the sizes and shapes, there are a number of charts a few pages back, this one probably being the most up to date with info that is easy to see:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3587166#msg3587166


Thanks to @listentoaheartbeat for that too!


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on September 19, 2021, 06:05:45 PM
So, I’ve fallen in love with my conical full’s over the last year or two.. shop got them in, made the switch from OJ & couldn’t get enough of the speed and control, originally had 101’s then later switched down to some 99’s, I love and mainly skate transition but have recently wanted to get back into skating more flat ground & have been wanting to try some big heads 55mm, my one homie mentioned going to flat conical & a smaller size too but I’m not sure……So, what’s the best wheel for skating transition, crusty ass streets & more tech???

Definitely some super soft, large wheels. Love my 56mm OJ Plain Janes. I could even go 58mm. I run risers though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on September 20, 2021, 12:06:34 AM
In the shapes department, squarer shapes like Conical Full and OG Classics with wider riding surface are good for crust, grip and locking in to things more, or to redefine, they will hold you onto an edge more so than rounder shapes.  Classic / round shapes are easier to get on and off edges and coping, sometimes with people saying they cannot lock in as easily, or slip out a lot more than with them too, but I feel like Classics / rounder wheels make it easier to grind further on coping, but that is just me.

Spot on, Conical Fulls or other conical shapes will lock-in securely even with moderate heel pressure, but there is more friction that will slow you down. Especially if the trucks have a deep groove. I’ve noticed lightweight folks don’t notice this as much, which makes sense. With the Classics I am applying much more heel pressure when grinding coping, especially Frontside.

I was skating the bowl with the small Classics yesterday and my grinds were much longer than with the large Conical Fulls, even though I was going slower in general. Speed is a major factor for me, I am more confident to go really fast with the wide riding surface and the more solid lock-in of the Conical Fulls. Night and day, frankly. I would never push corners as hard on the Classics, and be scared to miss a lock-in at full throttle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: KushBush on September 23, 2021, 06:22:41 AM
I think classic fulls are back. My local got some in, think I’ll try em. I prefer conical fulls for the rough ground but like classic for flip tricks more. Hoping the classic full will be a best of both worlds scenario.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on September 23, 2021, 07:20:08 AM
classic fulls are a fine choice

a little tough to lock in on coping but rolling over anything is nice
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on September 23, 2021, 09:28:53 AM
Yeah the Classic Fulls are labelled Repeaters and have minimal graphics on them similar to those 50mm tablets from last year. Sadly no discounted price this time. They come in 52-54mm. I was hot to try them when they weren't available but I think Radials scratch the same itch for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: versacekid420 on September 23, 2021, 01:22:01 PM
 i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on September 23, 2021, 01:28:39 PM
i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

Those wheels are treadded and aren't the right color. I kindly don't believe it.

edit: but if you do get a set, let us know how they are.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: versacekid420 on September 23, 2021, 01:34:52 PM
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i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680
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Those wheels are treadded and aren't the right color. I kindly don't believe it.

edit: but if you do get a set, let us know how they are.
see that’s what got me. the tread and the discoloration. in the first one i was like oh wow but then i slid through the pictures and that’s what lead me to ask the guy. i may get some just to see because they’re only $20 but i also don’t wanna be stuck with 101s if they suck
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on September 23, 2021, 02:51:05 PM
FWIW Spitfires and any kind of bearings seem to be the most common counterfeit skate gear. I would save my dough or just buy a set of OJs or something because the likelihood those are true Spits is really low.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 23, 2021, 03:47:12 PM
i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

Totally NOT at all anything to do with Spitfire or DLXSF.COM product.

There is a counterfeit thread still floating around (not updated for a minute) but the number of people who don't have a shop or legitimate seller account trying to sell off things like that on ebay is at an all time high, many claiming something, or having the fake wheels and other products but no ties to the skateboard industry, a shop, etc.

Sure they might be ok wheels to skate, but claiming they are from certain same manufacturers is very much a flat out lie.


COUNTERFEIT SKATE GEAR THREAD

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: versacekid420 on September 23, 2021, 04:54:27 PM
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i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680
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Totally NOT at all anything to do with Spitfire or DLXSF.COM product.

There is a counterfeit thread still floating around (not updated for a minute) but the number of people who don't have a shop or legitimate seller account trying to sell off things like that on ebay is at an all time high, many claiming something, or having the fake wheels and other products but no ties to the skateboard industry, a shop, etc.

Sure they might be ok wheels to skate, but claiming they are from certain same manufacturers is very much a flat out lie.


COUNTERFEIT SKATE GEAR THREAD

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0
glad you said this. thank you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 23, 2021, 05:25:44 PM
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i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680
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Totally NOT at all anything to do with Spitfire or DLXSF.COM product.

There is a counterfeit thread still floating around (not updated for a minute) but the number of people who don't have a shop or legitimate seller account trying to sell off things like that on ebay is at an all time high, many claiming something, or having the fake wheels and other products but no ties to the skateboard industry, a shop, etc.

Sure they might be ok wheels to skate, but claiming they are from certain same manufacturers is very much a flat out lie.


COUNTERFEIT SKATE GEAR THREAD

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115386.0
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glad you said this. thank you

Easy.

The funny thing, but also important point to note, always check the feedback, which in this case is pretty bad.

https://www.ebay.com/fdbk/feedback_profile/skate_supply?lb=1


To quote the most recent one:

"False advertising. Not “spitfire formula four” in the slightest. Junk, soft generic mfg, seller claims made at same factory which doesn’t make them “spitfire” Ebay please remove this seller from the ebay community, which is based on trust and integrity. This seller even outright lied when I specifically asked if they were spitfires, prior to my purchase!. , absolute scam scam scam scam scam scam scam, not spitfire, do not buy from this liar."

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on September 23, 2021, 05:42:35 PM
i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680

Absolutely not Spitfires, just cheap imported junk from a seller without scruples
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 23, 2021, 06:55:21 PM
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i’m not sure what you guys have been talking about in here as i don’t frequent this section of slap often, but if anyone’s been looking for 52-55 conical fulls, i came across this on ebay. i messaged the guy because i was curious about how legit these were, and he said that these are made in the same factory as spitfire, just no logos. https://www.ebay.com/itm/133612170680
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Absolutely not Spitfires, just cheap imported junk from a seller without scruples

There are loads of these guys on China shopping platforms, claiming they are from the same factory as Spitfire. They even post up videos of Chinese workers in a factory in China, sorting and packaging the wheels. Which is strange because Spitfires are made in North America / Mexico.

Ok for $3, definitely not worth it for $20 - fine for a beginner but if you've ridden the good stuff before you'll fine these sorely lacking. I sure hope you like sticking on your slides because these are the stickiest wheels I've ever ridden.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: skateviewer on September 23, 2021, 07:34:21 PM
in case anyone was curious, here’s the classic full measurements (bought a set of the 53mm today, noticed it wasn’t on the formula four page)

(https://i.ibb.co/0JPw3Jg/399-A0-C8-E-D853-43-CA-8-E9-C-9-E1-A3-ECCCA81.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0JPw3Jg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 24, 2021, 05:52:59 AM
in case anyone was curious, here’s the classic full measurements (bought a set of the 53mm today, noticed it wasn’t on the formula four page)





Thanks!



It is funny they have pulled almost all the info for the Classic Full, but even more funny they still haven't actually got the right measurements in there, especially for the bigger wheel sizes.

I think the 53mm was about right, but the 54 and up were wider overall that what is listed.

How were yours?


This was a post from back in June when I measured some of the sets I had:


Classic Full are a wider wheel overall, so add 1 to 2 mm to the middle width of classics, but yeah only 1 or 2 mm total width difference, to .5 mm difference between classic to radials.

I should take a pic of the Classic Full packaging, but they actually get all the measurements wrong.


Fixed the widths to be more accurate, although I think they were maybe .5 mm wider in the 56 and 58 mm sizes.



(https://i.ibb.co/v4cKzCy/Spitfire-classic-full-specs-1a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HTKkgLw)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on September 24, 2021, 12:55:37 PM
Anyone here have issues with F4 consistency?

I put on my first pair of conical full 54mm. First of all they all had different size air bubbles in the core from the manufacturing. After I put on, only 2 of them spin straight, the other two look like they've been slightly malformed. Also, the graphics on one of them is printed crooked.

Maybe I'm just being picky here but I've had cheaper wheels with better quality control.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on September 24, 2021, 02:19:44 PM
Anyone here have issues with F4 consistency?

I put on my first pair of conical full 54mm. First of all they all had different size air bubbles in the core from the manufacturing. After I put on, only 2 of them spin straight, the other two look like they've been slightly malformed. Also, the graphics on one of them is printed crooked.

Maybe I'm just being picky here but I've had cheaper wheels with better quality control.
DLX has super good customer service and will replace those if you contact them. Use the Hit Us Up button on the homepage: https://www.dlxsf.com/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 25, 2021, 01:40:12 AM
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Anyone here have issues with F4 consistency?

I put on my first pair of conical full 54mm. First of all they all had different size air bubbles in the core from the manufacturing. After I put on, only 2 of them spin straight, the other two look like they've been slightly malformed. Also, the graphics on one of them is printed crooked.

Maybe I'm just being picky here but I've had cheaper wheels with better quality control.
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DLX has super good customer service and will replace those if you contact them. Use the Hit Us Up button on the homepage: https://www.dlxsf.com/

Or hit them up on social media, they are responsive on IG
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 25, 2021, 02:33:25 AM
Anyone here have issues with F4 consistency?

I put on my first pair of conical full 54mm. First of all they all had different size air bubbles in the core from the manufacturing. After I put on, only 2 of them spin straight, the other two look like they've been slightly malformed. Also, the graphics on one of them is printed crooked.

Maybe I'm just being picky here but I've had cheaper wheels with better quality control.

Also just checking where you got them from too.

Not a big deal, as I haven't seen many of those as fake wheels, but there are lots of others floating round.


I have had and seen some that do look unevenly made in manufacturing, but still rolled fine when I had them on the board.  Anything like that is a valid claim, so as said above, hit them up and send pics, etc.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: versacekid420 on September 25, 2021, 07:28:33 AM
Anyone here have issues with F4 consistency?

I put on my first pair of conical full 54mm. First of all they all had different size air bubbles in the core from the manufacturing. After I put on, only 2 of them spin straight, the other two look like they've been slightly malformed. Also, the graphics on one of them is printed crooked.

Maybe I'm just being picky here but I've had cheaper wheels with better quality control.
they sent 2 sets of f4s with three 52mm wheels and one 54. funniest thing i’ve seen product wise in a while and ive seen the jeff dechesare pro model
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on September 29, 2021, 10:58:00 AM
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Anyone here have issues with F4 consistency?

I put on my first pair of conical full 54mm. First of all they all had different size air bubbles in the core from the manufacturing. After I put on, only 2 of them spin straight, the other two look like they've been slightly malformed. Also, the graphics on one of them is printed crooked.

Maybe I'm just being picky here but I've had cheaper wheels with better quality control.
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Also just checking where you got them from too.

Not a big deal, as I haven't seen many of those as fake wheels, but there are lots of others floating round.


I have had and seen some that do look unevenly made in manufacturing, but still rolled fine when I had them on the board.  Anything like that is a valid claim, so as said above, hit them up and send pics, etc.

I ordered them from Skate Warehouse

Messaged DLX via their site a few days ago, no response yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 09, 2021, 07:47:20 AM
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in case anyone was curious, here’s the classic full measurements (bought a set of the 53mm today, noticed it wasn’t on the formula four page)



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Thanks!



It is funny they have pulled almost all the info for the Classic Full, but even more funny they still haven't actually got the right measurements in there, especially for the bigger wheel sizes.

I think the 53mm was about right, but the 54 and up were wider overall that what is listed.

How were yours?


This was a post from back in June when I measured some of the sets I had:


Classic Full are a wider wheel overall, so add 1 to 2 mm to the middle width of classics, but yeah only 1 or 2 mm total width difference, to .5 mm difference between classic to radials.

I should take a pic of the Classic Full packaging, but they actually get all the measurements wrong.


Fixed the widths to be more accurate, although I think they were maybe .5 mm wider in the 56 and 58 mm sizes.



(https://i.ibb.co/v4cKzCy/Spitfire-classic-full-specs-1a.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HTKkgLw)

Couldn't resist and ordered 52mm Classic Fulls. I've really been enjoying the 52mm Classics lately and figured the extra width wouldn't hurt when I need a new set.

My set matches the measurements printed on the packaging as posted above (https://i.ibb.co/XJmwTJh/399-A0-C8-E-D853-43-CA-8-E9-C-9-E1-A3-ECCCA81.jpg). Perfectly, too. I've used a caliper. Here's a comparison shot with my worn-down 52mm Classics:

(https://i.ibb.co/8DydS7Z/IMG-0652.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 09, 2021, 06:11:17 PM

Couldn't resist and ordered 52mm Classic Fulls. I've really been enjoying the 52mm Classics lately and figured the extra width wouldn't hurt when I need a new set.

My set matches the measurements printed on the packaging as posted above (https://i.ibb.co/XJmwTJh/399-A0-C8-E-D853-43-CA-8-E9-C-9-E1-A3-ECCCA81.jpg). Perfectly, too. I've used a caliper. Here's a comparison shot with my worn-down 52mm Classics:

(https://i.ibb.co/8DydS7Z/IMG-0652.jpg)


Did you have to order from outside of EU or did a local shop get them in?


I think the 54mm classic full is the one I would skate if I only had one wheel to choose from and skate from new.

The bigger classics are nice when they wear down a few mm, but most of the time it just doesn't work to get 56 or 58mm wheels and take the time to wear them down to between 52-54 mm.

Mine from the other day, now about 53mm.

(https://i.ibb.co/pRjh74d/Classic-Full-54mm.jpg) (https://ibb.co/txpLGYD)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 10, 2021, 12:45:50 AM
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Couldn't resist and ordered 52mm Classic Fulls. I've really been enjoying the 52mm Classics lately and figured the extra width wouldn't hurt when I need a new set.

My set matches the measurements printed on the packaging as posted above (https://i.ibb.co/XJmwTJh/399-A0-C8-E-D853-43-CA-8-E9-C-9-E1-A3-ECCCA81.jpg). Perfectly, too. I've used a caliper. Here's a comparison shot with my worn-down 52mm Classics:

(https://i.ibb.co/8DydS7Z/IMG-0652.jpg)
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Did you have to order from outside of EU or did a local shop get them in?


I think the 54mm classic full is the one I would skate if I only had one wheel to choose from and skate from new.

The bigger classics are nice when they wear down a few mm, but most of the time it just doesn't work to get 56 or 58mm wheels and take the time to wear them down to between 52-54 mm.

Mine from the other day, now about 53mm.

(https://i.ibb.co/pRjh74d/Classic-Full-54mm.jpg) (https://ibb.co/txpLGYD)

Classic Fulls are available at several (mailorder) shops in Germany at the moment. They are called Repeaters and come in 52, 53, 54 mm:

https://no-comply.de/search?type=product&q=Repeaters

I don’t want to put risers on my street setup so riding anything above 54 mm is not really an option for me anyway, but I also really like small and light wheels on my street setup atm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 10, 2021, 03:46:06 AM

Classic Fulls are available at several (mailorder) shops in Germany at the moment. They are called Repeaters and come in 52, 53, 54 mm:

https://no-comply.de/search?type=product&q=Repeaters

I don’t want to put risers on my street setup so riding anything above 54 mm is not really an option for me anyway, but I also really like small and light wheels on my street setup atm.


Glad there are some available over there, as others had been saying there were minimal F4s around that they could find.

Might be limited to some places or styles though, but that shop seems to have a good range, sizes, styles, etc.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 10, 2021, 04:03:16 AM
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Classic Fulls are available at several (mailorder) shops in Germany at the moment. They are called Repeaters and come in 52, 53, 54 mm:

https://no-comply.de/search?type=product&q=Repeaters

I don’t want to put risers on my street setup so riding anything above 54 mm is not really an option for me anyway, but I also really like small and light wheels on my street setup atm.
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Glad there are some available over there, as others had been saying there were minimal F4s around that they could find.

Might be limited to some places or styles though, but that shop seems to have a good range, sizes, styles, etc.

When I got hooked on F4 in the beginning of the year anything but Classics were extremely hard to come by. Now there is plenty supply of various shapes, sizes, and duros. Some shops like Freedom in Vienna, No Comply in Colonge, and others seem to have specialized in F4 which is great. I am sure local shops here in Berlin have them, too, but they never have the boards I want so I’ve been buying online for years.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on October 10, 2021, 08:20:46 AM
Are the 97a done? Seem to have come and gone.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: skateviewer on October 10, 2021, 09:28:21 AM
Are the 97a done? Seem to have come and gone.

i tried the 97a conical fulls but went back to 99s cause they feel better for pretty much everything, just my preference though
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 10, 2021, 09:49:46 AM
97s are pretty available. I'm on some right now and def prefer 99s. The softer ride is really only worth it either on really rough or very slippery spots. Same with the 101s. Worth trying but were only useful trying to slide the shit out of ledge and curb tricks. 99s are really the all-round sweet spot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on October 10, 2021, 09:59:47 AM
97s are pretty available. I'm on some right now and def prefer 99s. The softer ride is really only worth it either on really rough or very slippery spots. Same with the 101s. Worth trying but were only useful trying to slide the shit out of ledge and curb tricks. 99s are really the all-round sweet spot.

I prefer 97a on my curb/flat ground board as my local curb spot can be a touch crusty
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 10, 2021, 01:16:20 PM
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97s are pretty available. I'm on some right now and def prefer 99s. The softer ride is really only worth it either on really rough or very slippery spots. Same with the 101s. Worth trying but were only useful trying to slide the shit out of ledge and curb tricks. 99s are really the all-round sweet spot.
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I prefer 97a on my curb/flat ground board as my local curb spot can be a touch crusty

I actually didn’t like 97A on crusty asphalt since I’d get stuck when sliding 180 tricks even the tiniest bit. Shelved them after the first session, not sure whether I should sell them or try at the indoor park.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 10, 2021, 05:52:08 PM
Are the 97a done? Seem to have come and gone.

If anything they have sold beyond expectations, which is why you might not see many / any around in shops.

There are certainly a lot more people out there wanting slightly softer wheels too, but given it is a slightly different market and the wheels now coming in different sizes and shapes, many people have bought them, even if it is just to try them and see what they are like.

The set I have on a board has not really been skated much, but any time I know I am going to a slippery new skatepark, that is the setup I will be rolling on there.  I prefer a little more grip and a little less slip nowdays though.


Also interesting to hear that some people are more keen on them than others, which is all part and parcel to having a softer wheel.

My go to is the normal F4 99 duro, but the 97 duro wheel is perfect for a number of places I know and skate.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on October 10, 2021, 05:59:20 PM
Im on 97 54mm conical fulls and i honestly can't tell the difference between the 99 and these. Maybe I just forgot what the 99's felt like...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 10, 2021, 06:55:26 PM
I wish they did those in more shapes like the Conical, Tablet or Radial Slim. The last of which I'm worried will never return to production.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 11, 2021, 03:34:44 AM
I wish they did those in more shapes like the Conical, Tablet or Radial Slim. The last of which I'm worried will never return to production.

I kept meaning to ask, but did you "Hit them up" about the Radial Slims?

If you haven't and not going to, I might anyway, just to ask.

No biggie, but it might help your decision process if you did know they are done, or they are just having a break.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 11, 2021, 07:43:18 AM
Not yet, I'll man up and DM them now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on October 11, 2021, 07:45:14 AM
Are the 97a done? Seem to have come and gone.

I see them for same everywhere. My local is hyped on them and pushing them for skating northwest crust. To be honest, I couldn’t be happier with a wheel than I am with the 97a F4s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on October 11, 2021, 07:47:29 AM
Im on 97 54mm conical fulls and i honestly can't tell the difference between the 99 and these. Maybe I just forgot what the 99's felt like...

I got back on 99s after a month or so on the 97s and I felt like my teeth were gonna get rattled out of my head. I ended the session early. They’re still great for most skatepark concrete, but for the terrain I skate, it’s 97a all the way.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on October 11, 2021, 02:00:14 PM
My knees and legs are way less sore skating 97as.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 16, 2021, 10:05:28 PM
Not yet, I'll man up and DM them now.

Any reply yet?

Yes I know I am being too keen!

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 17, 2021, 01:26:02 AM
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Not yet, I'll man up and DM them now.
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Any reply yet?

Yes I know I am being too keen!

Nothing  :(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on October 17, 2021, 01:35:59 AM
My knees and legs are way less sore skating 97as.

This is what I would like. I really love the feel of 99s but looking for something softer for my cruiser setup. I think I'll pick some bigger 97s. How do they compare to Slimeballs 97a?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 17, 2021, 03:51:12 AM
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My knees and legs are way less sore skating 97as.
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This is what I would like. I really love the feel of 99s but looking for something softer for my cruiser setup. ai think I'll pick some bigger 97s. How do they compare to Slimeballs 97a?


I have had both pretty much the same size on the same setups and they do compare pretty much evenly from the skates I had on those boards - 56mm 97 duro.

Personally I prefer Spitfire as I know with Formula Four, there are way less chances of getting flatspots, and at least they come in classic (53mm up to 56mm which is what I have) and conical full shapes too (54mm up to 58mm if you can find them) but both worked well.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: theloniousmonk on October 17, 2021, 07:01:15 AM
The 97a spitfires are great, and Slide very, very well. I’m on classics now, and am hoping that they make them in smaller sizes soon
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on October 17, 2021, 07:48:37 AM
The 97a spitfires are great, and Slide very, very well. I’m on classics now, and am hoping that they make them in smaller sizes soon

The classics do slide really well, oddly enough my conical fills don’t slide nearly as well
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spanyard on October 17, 2021, 08:25:55 AM
Whatever happened to that thread with the two rubes scholars getting into a virtual knock out drag out over skinny vs wide i.e. contact width correlating with a  better slide?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on October 17, 2021, 08:29:28 AM
Whatever happened to that thread with the two rubes scholars getting into a virtual knock out drag out over skinny vs wide i.e. contact width correlating with a  better slide?

Lol

Sounds funny

Can you link
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on October 17, 2021, 05:03:47 PM
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108332.0

Here’s the thread
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 17, 2021, 05:10:36 PM
You can listen to science and read about things, or you can actually ride a skateboard and feel the difference for yourself.

My older wider surfaced wheels have so much more grip than thinner ones.


* But don't let me stop anyone from making their own conclusions.  That was an interesting read, even though I only skimmed most of it.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on October 17, 2021, 06:10:21 PM
You can listen to science and read about things, or you can actually ride a skateboard and feel the difference for yourself.

My older wider surfaced wheels have so much more grip than thinner ones.


* But don't let me stop anyone from making their own conclusions.  That was an interesting read, even though I only skimmed most of it.

Why not do both?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 17, 2021, 08:11:42 PM
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You can listen to science and read about things, or you can actually ride a skateboard and feel the difference for yourself.

My older wider surfaced wheels have so much more grip than thinner ones.


* But don't let me stop anyone from making their own conclusions.  That was an interesting read, even though I only skimmed most of it.
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Why not do both?


Ha yes, do it all.

:)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 18, 2021, 12:26:55 AM
Alright, almost sold my 97A Classics since I didn’t like them at all some time ago when it was still warm, but now I took them to the slick indoor park and love them. So much better than 99A Classics in that environment. Controlled slide but no wipeouts or sketchy landings whatsoever. Felt much more confident and had to didn’t have to clean the wheels from dust and dirt as often during the session.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fat Tire on October 18, 2021, 09:20:34 AM
Coming of 99s I couldn't really tell you the difference between them and the 97s. Bunk set?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: babywantsbluevelvet on October 18, 2021, 10:35:21 AM
Coming of 99s I couldn't really tell you the difference between them and the 97s. Bunk set?

I think so. Mine are for sure harder to slide and sometimes squeak on on things like cross locked bs 5050s for me. I'm down for the slight extra grip and speed on crust though. Like an above poster, I recently tried some 99s again (55mm OG Classics) after months on the 97s and that lasted about two rattly sessions before going back. I do wish they'd do the OG Classic shape in 97a for a slightly lighter, thinner wheel that still locks in like a CF.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 18, 2021, 10:54:34 AM
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Not yet, I'll man up and DM them now.
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Any reply yet?

Yes I know I am being too keen!
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Nothing  :(

I DM'd them ages ago a few times about them, they never replied.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on October 18, 2021, 11:40:57 AM
I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 18, 2021, 05:30:03 PM
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Not yet, I'll man up and DM them now.
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Any reply yet?

Yes I know I am being too keen!
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Nothing  :(
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I DM'd them ages agoe a few times, about them, they never replied.


I always had a response from the DLXSF.COM website "Hit us up" link, but often didn't get much back from Instagram.

That might be a better option, or at least an email to Cam at Deluxe rather than getting lost in the Instagram DMs.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on October 19, 2021, 12:00:51 AM
I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.

F4 97A are hard wheels, they are just a bit more forgiving on rough ground, and grip more on slippery ground. I’d go with soft wheels on a cruiser unless you want to have a proper skate setup that has some cruiser qualities.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on October 19, 2021, 12:08:32 AM
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I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.
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F4 97A are hard wheels, they are just a bit more forgiving on rough ground, and grip more on slippery ground. I’d go with soft wheels on a cruiser unless you want to have a proper skate setup that has some cruiser qualities.

Thanks. I use Dane1 as my  cruiser and don't see any chances skating it properly, just use it for cruising. I think I'm going with some softer wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 24, 2021, 01:56:03 AM
Why have my wheels stopped sliding to a screech?

I switched some conical fulls over to a different board new trucks + bearing combo and these wheels which previously would slide like a mf are dead and dull. I hate it
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on October 24, 2021, 06:47:36 AM
Why have my wheels stopped sliding to a screech?

I switched some conical fulls over to a different board new trucks + bearing combo and these wheels which previously would slide like a mf are dead and dull. I hate it
I find new bearings to deaden my board in general. Don't know if that has to do with your wheels tho.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on October 24, 2021, 07:46:31 AM
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I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.
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F4 97A are hard wheels, they are just a bit more forgiving on rough ground, and grip more on slippery ground. I’d go with soft wheels on a cruiser unless you want to have a proper skate setup that has some cruiser qualities.

Yeah, they are absolutely *not* cruiser wheels. They are very hard wheel for trick skateboarding, just not as hard some others. Soft enough to make a difference on crustier terrain.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 26, 2021, 03:57:17 PM
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I'm still pondering whether I should get those 97d Conical Fulls or some 78a Slimeballs because I really want a softer wheel for my cruiser and minimal vibration/jitter when going over rougher streets. I might just get those 97d wheels for my primary skate setup later. I love the gear madness.
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F4 97A are hard wheels, they are just a bit more forgiving on rough ground, and grip more on slippery ground. I’d go with soft wheels on a cruiser unless you want to have a proper skate setup that has some cruiser qualities.
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Yeah, they are absolutely *not* cruiser wheels. They are very hard wheel for trick skateboarding, just not as hard some others. Soft enough to make a difference on crustier terrain.

New bearings and not enough clickclack between the hanger and nut
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 15, 2021, 04:23:07 PM
Thought this should end up here...



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zach allen just posted a photo of kader’s 57mm radial fulls. hopefully that’ll hit the market soon. that shape is dope
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So hyped on these. thank you Kader for helping the youth see the light of big wheels.

pic of the post for reference:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/908749835077828628/Screenshot_20211112-165227_Instagram.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on November 15, 2021, 07:10:28 PM
Radial, radial slim, ok. Radial full?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on November 15, 2021, 07:11:19 PM
What would a radial full bring to the picture ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: left knee cap on November 15, 2021, 07:15:17 PM
spitfire really has too many damn shapes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on November 15, 2021, 07:32:59 PM
spitfire really has too many damn shapes
agreed.
pals, what would you cut? whats the perfect amount of options? theres 10 f4 models afaik:
classics
classic full
og classics
radials
radial slim
radial full*
conical
conical full
tablets
lock ins
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on November 15, 2021, 07:46:37 PM
Radial, radial slim, ok. Radial full?

Can we just get Radial Slims in 99a back in rotation please!

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agreed.
pals, what would you cut? whats the perfect amount of options? theres 10 f4 models afaik:
classics
classic full
og classics
radials
radial slim
radial full*
conical
conical full
tablets
lock ins
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 15, 2021, 08:18:12 PM
Options are great. Can't believe SLAP gear nerds have issues with all the shapes....

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2021, 04:15:53 AM
What would a radial full bring to the picture ?

I feel like the Radial Full are the bigger sized Radial wheels, maybe just the normal ones, only in bigger overall sizes, as the old 58mm Kader wheels were pretty big, wide and all round awesome for people who wanted such a big fat wheel.  The funny thing was most of those guys were more old bowl / transition dudes who didn't have a clue or any interest in Kader.  Every single set I was able to get sold so fast I didn't even keep any for myself, although I did get one set back to skate for a bit, someone else was so stoked on the size and shape, I let them have it.

Check the pics here:

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/kader-radials-99d-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-58mm-p40162


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-wheels-kader-radials-99d-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-58mm-p40162-99093_image.jpg)


I don't have any here with me, but I believe the dimensions of those old Radials were 58 x 37 or 38 wide.

By comparison, classic 60 x 39 wide, classic full are 58 x 38 wide or conical full 58 x 37 so think something around those same sizes and widths.

The Radial Full wheel is out in 57, 58, 59 and 60mm, if what I have heard is correct, so it is only in the big sizes and would pretty much cover all those of interest in the bigger and wider wheel varieties, without having a full square edge like the conical full shapes.


Overall I can see lots of people who want big wide wheels jumping on them, maybe more so in the bowl / transition skating crowd, but also from some of the more curious kids who want a big wheel from an amazing street skater.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2021, 05:19:34 AM
I just did a new search for Spitfire Kader (last time turned up only old listings) and a couple of places already have the new wheels up (some sold out) but there is a semi side pic from the old Z.

https://www.zumiez.com/es_us/57mm-99du-f4-kader-radial-full.html



Sorry for the huge images.

It looks about the same as the other ones, but could be different.

No one seems to have dimensions yet.



(https://scene7.zumiez.com/is/image/zumiez/product_main_medium_2x/Spitfire-Kader-Radial-Full-Formula-Four-57mm-99A-Skateboard-Wheels-_353611-back-US.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on November 16, 2021, 05:45:44 AM
Are Lockins impossible to get nowadays? Haven't seen them for sale in any shop in Europe for like 2 years.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 16, 2021, 06:01:55 AM
Are Lockins impossible to get nowadays? Haven't seen them for sale in any shop in Europe for like 2 years.

Both the 99 and 101 in 52, 53 and 55 are in the new catalog, so maybe they are in short supply with local distributors there, or something.  Compared to the Radial Slims which are not in any catalogs for almost a year, at least the Lock Ins should still be in production if they are still showing on the Spitfire site.

I think there was a bit of a push a while back to get away from them, the shape being either conical full for that outside edge or tablets for the inside, depending on which side profile you prefer.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on November 16, 2021, 10:30:51 AM
Does anyone know if the Flatspots eventually fix themselves? I bought the wheels like 3 or 4 months ago and hadn't really noticed because Ive been skating street a bunch but the other day I went to Lot 11 (smooth street park) and it sounds like Im riding a motortcycle yet the flatspots are barely noticeable. Never had this issue and Ive been skating F4s for years and I powerslide a bunch.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on November 16, 2021, 10:43:34 AM
Options are great. Can't believe SLAP gear nerds have issues with all the shapes....

Yea, idk how anyone could possibly be upset about this lol.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 16, 2021, 10:46:10 AM
Does anyone know if the Flatspots eventually fix themselves? I bought the wheels like 3 or 4 months ago and hadn't really noticed because Ive been skating street a bunch but the other day I went to Lot 11 (smooth street park) and it sounds like Im riding a motortcycle yet the flatspots are barely noticeable. Never had this issue and Ive been skating F4s for years and I powerslide a bunch.

Short answer, yes.

But it depends how bad the flat spot is. I have found I can get rid of flatspots in F4s far easier than other wheels. But really the bigger the flat spot (typically the louder it is) the longer it will take to 'iron' out. Bomb some hills. Skate a lot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on November 16, 2021, 10:49:35 AM
Does anyone know if the Flatspots eventually fix themselves? I bought the wheels like 3 or 4 months ago and hadn't really noticed because Ive been skating street a bunch but the other day I went to Lot 11 (smooth street park) and it sounds like Im riding a motortcycle yet the flatspots are barely noticeable. Never had this issue and Ive been skating F4s for years and I powerslide a bunch.

If it's not super bad it should work itself out eventually. The harder the wheel is the longer it will take.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 16, 2021, 11:17:21 AM
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agreed.

pals, what would you cut? what's the perfect amount of options? theres 10 f4 models afaik:


I'm all for options, but at some point, you are hitting diminishing returns on shapes.

classics
[classic slims, oh how I miss you]
classic full
og classics

radials
radial slim
radial full*

conical
conical full

tablets
lock ins

What I'd add:

AWOL shape (it's like an STF V5)
Conical slim - to replace tablets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sketchyrider on November 16, 2021, 11:55:56 AM
i found standard conicals to be pretty darn close to bones v5.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on November 16, 2021, 12:43:13 PM
i found standard conicals to be pretty darn close to bones v5.

Well guess I’m off to get some conicals! Love the V5 shape but I just feel better on spits. My local has some 54mm 99a conicals and this is what I needed to hear to pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on November 16, 2021, 04:24:17 PM
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agreed.

pals, what would you cut? what's the perfect amount of options? theres 10 f4 models afaik:

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I'm all for options, but at some point, you are hitting diminishing returns on shapes.

classics
[classic slims, oh how I miss you]
classic full
og classics

radials
radial slim
radial full*

conical
conical full

tablets
lock ins

What I'd add:

AWOL shape (it's like an STF V5)
Conical slim - to replace tablets

Simply because I think they look cool with the purple graphic (and it’s also a pretty good shape) I’d like to see 58 mm F4 OG classics in 97a.  I’d also settle for 56 or 60 mm. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: europa1991 on November 18, 2021, 09:42:05 AM
Headass question time: but has anyone noticed a difference with tablets when it came down to noseslides/tailslides on ledges and curbs? Been trying to get consistent with those and I’m gonna need new wheels soon so I thought maybe they could give me a bit of an advantage
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Post by: tzhangdox on November 18, 2021, 09:55:48 AM
Headass question time: but has anyone noticed a difference with tablets when it came down to noseslides/tailslides on ledges and curbs? Been trying to get consistent with those and I’m gonna need new wheels soon so I thought maybe they could give me a bit of an advantage

no
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 18, 2021, 10:05:31 AM
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Headass question time: but has anyone noticed a difference with tablets when it came down to noseslides/tailslides on ledges and curbs? Been trying to get consistent with those and I’m gonna need new wheels soon so I thought maybe they could give me a bit of an advantage
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Slides are the same bizness with like contact patch width wheels (conicals for example). Good lock-in on grinds if that's your thing, like 50/50s and such.

It's mental for sure, but I found I didn't skate well on them compared to classics, and didn't prefer them over anything for the slappy game (especially slappy crooks).

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Post by: europa1991 on November 18, 2021, 10:10:57 AM
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Headass question time: but has anyone noticed a difference with tablets when it came down to noseslides/tailslides on ledges and curbs? Been trying to get consistent with those and I’m gonna need new wheels soon so I thought maybe they could give me a bit of an advantage
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Slides are the same bizness with like contact patch width wheels (conicals for example). Good lock-in on grinds if that's your thing, like 50/50s and such.

It's mental for sure, but I found I didn't skate well on them compared to classics, and didn't prefer them over anything for the slappy game (especially slappy crooks).
Thank you
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2021, 02:35:10 AM
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I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.
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My local has those SLAG 56mm radials, so theres a few sets floating around. Pretty sure they came in 55 as well!
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AFAIK those were 53, 54 and 56 only. Lots of deals on them though and the 56s were natural color but that size may be sold through by now.


I still haven't seen the new Radials or Radial Full wheels, but I have a feeling the Full versions are not much if at all wider, but more so the bigger versions.


Were the first 55mm Radials the Oski dragons, then the Skate Like A Girl the only other Radials in 55mm wheels too?

I thought there were still some 55mm Radials around too, but the initial Skate Like A Girl 55mm Radials came out in the Spring 2020 catalog, from what I saw, which surprised me cause I didn't think it was that long ago.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2020/

Specifically this one:

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring20/sf-sp20-d2-dt-04-2.jpg


Then the Spring 2021 catalog has the newer ones with the 56mm naturals:

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2021/



The two most recent catalogs have had normal Radials in 52, 54 and 56mm sizes, but I haven't seen many in shops or out there much.  I had all three sizes from a few years back when there were lots around, with the 54mm being the only ones I kept and still have on a board as they are just the most comfortable overall size, but the 56mm is still a good size and shape for bigger wheels too.

It is funny how such a small thing like 55mm in the middle is such a small difference, compared to the more common 54mm or 56mm wheels, but I know others who have gone more for the smaller size for tech, or the bigger size for speed, so if nothing else, at least the 56mm will wear down to 55mm, or the 54mm wheels are the next best thing if you didn't want such big wheels to start with.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer21/sf-sm21-radials.jpg



Edit:  Added the Radial size chart, with the 58mm wheels as best I can recall, but they could have easily been wider with more contact mm as well.


(https://i.ibb.co/XW1Q85R/Spitfire-Radial-chart.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fXfgvNw)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 19, 2021, 02:46:10 AM
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I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.
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My local has those SLAG 56mm radials, so theres a few sets floating around. Pretty sure they came in 55 as well!
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AFAIK those were 53, 54 and 56 only. Lots of deals on them though and the 56s were natural color but that size may be sold through by now.
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I still haven't seen the new Radials or Radial Full wheels, but I have a feeling the Full versions are not much if at all wider, but more so the bigger versions.


Were the first 55mm Radials the Oski dragons, then the Skate Like A Girl the only other Radials in 55mm wheels too?

I thought there were still some 55mm Radials around too, but the initial Skate Like A Girl 55mm Radials came out in the Spring 2020 catalog, from what I saw, which surprised me cause I didn't think it was that long ago.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2020/

Specifically this one:

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring20/sf-sp20-d2-dt-04-2.jpg


Then the Spring 2021 catalog has the newer ones with the 56mm naturals:

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2021/



The two most recent catalogs have had normal Radials in 52, 54 and 56mm sizes, but I haven't seen many in shops or out there much.  I had all three sizes from a few years back when there were lots around, with the 54mm being the only ones I kept and still have on a board as they are just the most comfortable overall size, but the 56mm is still a good size and shape for bigger wheels too.

It is funny how such a small thing like 55mm in the middle is such a small difference, compared to the more common 54mm or 56mm wheels, but I know others who have gone more for the smaller size for tech, or the bigger size for speed, so if nothing else, at least the 56mm will wear down to 55mm, or the 54mm wheels are the next best thing if you didn't want such big wheels to start with.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer21/sf-sm21-radials.jpg)

I really want these 52mm Radials and compare them with the 52mm Classic Fulls I recently got. My perfect wheel is somewhere in that range.

(https://i.ibb.co/yQ67Nxb/Screen-Shot-2021-11-19-at-11-43-25.png)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 19, 2021, 03:02:57 AM

I really want these 52mm Radials and compare them with the 52mm Classic Fulls I recently got. My perfect wheel is somewhere in that range.



I just added the Radial size chart in the last message.

Your message from earlier came up in a search for Classic Full too:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3655191#msg3655191


Charts to compare size:

(https://i.ibb.co/v4cKzCy/Spitfire-classic-full-specs-1a.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/XW1Q85R/Spitfire-Radial-chart.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 19, 2021, 05:03:29 AM
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I really want these 52mm Radials and compare them with the 52mm Classic Fulls I recently got. My perfect wheel is somewhere in that range.

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I just added the Radial size chart in the last message.

Your message from earlier came up in a search for Classic Full too:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3655191#msg3655191


Charts to compare size:

(https://i.ibb.co/v4cKzCy/Spitfire-classic-full-specs-1a.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/XW1Q85R/Spitfire-Radial-chart.jpg)

It’s interesting Spitfire decided to bring back Classic Fulls considering how close they are to Radials. I suppose the radius of the edge is different given they are wider with a smaller riding surface, but not sure that would make any difference in practice. Anyway, I am glad there are options when it comes to small, wide wheels with a round edge. Nothing like this was available when I got into Spitfire a year ago.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 22, 2021, 05:01:41 PM
I noticed the Spitfire Fall 2021 Drop 2 is now up.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


Really only the pro wheels in conical full from Mark Suciu, classic from Mason Silva and Louie Lopez and the Radial Full from Kader.

Already been discussed, but still waiting to see how many and if there are the 60mm as well as the 57 mm out there in shops.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-fl21-d2-kader-04.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 22, 2021, 06:17:23 PM
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Headass question time: but has anyone noticed a difference with tablets when it came down to noseslides/tailslides on ledges and curbs? Been trying to get consistent with those and I’m gonna need new wheels soon so I thought maybe they could give me a bit of an advantage
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Slides are the same bizness with like contact patch width wheels (conicals for example). Good lock-in on grinds if that's your thing, like 50/50s and such.

It's mental for sure, but I found I didn't skate well on them compared to classics, and didn't prefer them over anything for the slappy game (especially slappy crooks).

I’m sure it’s because I’m old as hell…but classics are just way better, for me, than the rest of the shapes.
I skate small enough wheels, that a really wide wheel would be nice, maybe. But…the flip with classics. Just better
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on November 22, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
101a 52 radials in the spring d2, called speedslims(graphic name afaik) announced today.

also f4 60mm 99 og classics!!!!!! finally!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FUBAR on November 23, 2021, 02:44:02 AM
I keep rediscovering every curb session I have, that Tablets are not a good slappy wheel (for me). Dear Lord I love them for everything else though. Those wider classics are looking tempting. At $40+ a set though, I’ll either wait till I actually NEED new wheels or jump on a good sale.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Reed Richards on November 24, 2021, 03:43:18 PM
spitfire really has too many damn shapes
There's a bunch now but I'm cool with em.  I just wish they would update the part of the website with the dimensions but for the new wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on November 24, 2021, 03:57:13 PM
I noticed the Spitfire Fall 2021 Drop 2 is now up.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


Really only the pro wheels in conical full from Mark Suciu, classic from Mason Silva and Louie Lopez and the Radial Full from Kader.

Already been discussed, but still waiting to see how many and if there are the 60mm as well as the 57 mm out there in shops.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-fl21-d2-kader-04.jpg)
57s up on Parade as Loud Clouds
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-99-formula-4-kader-loud-clouds-wheels-57mm-166-6668555681857/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 24, 2021, 08:27:25 PM

Guessing most places will start showing up in searches within a week or so as stock arrives.


TGM has the 60mm wheels (24 in stock)

https://tgmskateboards.com/spifire-wheels-60mm-f4-kader-loud-clouds-99a-radial-full/


Also on CCS in both 57mm and 60mm

https://shop.ccs.com/collections/skate-components/products/spitfire-f4-99-kader-loud-clouds-radial-full-skateboard-wheels-natural-57mm


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/products/888560253933-2.jpg)





That post in the Wheels thread is pretty funny too:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3688037#msg3688037


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CaptainCheeks on December 05, 2021, 09:58:46 AM
For y'all who need it

(https://i.ibb.co/QF33TGB/PXL-20211205-023417827.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QF33TGB)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on December 05, 2021, 10:10:12 AM
The dimensions on the 60s are perfect. I know a shop near me that's getting them and I refresh their webstore every couple hours waiting for them to be added.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Peepeeboy69 on December 05, 2021, 12:16:58 PM
i strayed from spitfire 99a f4s and got 103 stf. Worst decision. Wheels feel really hard when riding, but they're so difficult to slide and really loud when they do.

Also for some reason they were ridiculously hard to get bearings into, and exploded 6/8 of my bearings in a month. I'm really over them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: con_hielo on December 05, 2021, 02:18:21 PM
The dimensions on the 60s are perfect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 05, 2021, 05:35:56 PM
For y'all who need it

(https://i.ibb.co/QF33TGB/PXL-20211205-023417827.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QF33TGB)

Thanks for the pic.

Really shows they are massively wide and I was wrong about them being the same as the regular Radial in a bigger diameter.


Took a close up of the size chart so it is a lot easier to see in here as well.


(https://i.ibb.co/NgvKx3g/Spitfire-Radial-Full-chart1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gf6R7Jf)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on December 05, 2021, 05:42:47 PM
How quickly do these need to sell out before Spitfire realize that people want 57-60mm street wheels to be regularly available?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 05, 2021, 05:57:42 PM
How quickly do these need to sell out before Spitfire realize that people want 57-60mm street wheels to be regularly available?


Sometimes it is not so good for the immediate budget, but if you do find something you like, try to buy all of them you can find so you will be set for a while (if not for life) with them.  I had done that a few times over the years and it has more often than not been a very good thing.  Sometimes though, your needs or wants change, and you get left with something, but more often than not, you can resell it for the same as what you paid if it is worth it to others who still wanted more of that size, shape, etc.


It would also help to get them to see people want more if they did sell out quickly.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on December 05, 2021, 07:12:18 PM
i strayed from spitfire 99a f4s and got 103 stf. Worst decision. Wheels feel really hard when riding, but they're so difficult to slide and really loud when they do.

Also for some reason they were ridiculously hard to get bearings into, and exploded 6/8 of my bearings in a month. I'm really over them.

Aren't harder wheels always harder to get bearings into
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 05, 2021, 07:42:41 PM
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i strayed from spitfire 99a f4s and got 103 stf. Worst decision. Wheels feel really hard when riding, but they're so difficult to slide and really loud when they do.

Also for some reason they were ridiculously hard to get bearings into, and exploded 6/8 of my bearings in a month. I'm really over them.
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Aren't harder wheels always harder to get bearings into

Depends on the wheel brand, never had any issues with F4 101a, Bones are a little harder but not impossible. But fuck Ricta and their cored wheels, worked up a sweat getting new bearings in and removing old crusty ones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 05, 2021, 08:55:45 PM
There is a fairly simple solution to getting bearings easily into or out of wheels, which works so well.

A little lube on the outside edge and surface of the bearings or even round the rim of the wheel (getting them out too) goes a long way to helping ease them in or out with minimum effort.

Bearings that have been in wheels for a long time are often the hardest to get out, but it still works well enough, one drip into the edge and use a screwdriver to wiggle the bearing a little back and forth and it almost always comes out very easily after that.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Schinken on December 06, 2021, 02:14:33 AM

Guessing most places will start showing up in searches within a week or so as stock arrives.


TGM has the 60mm wheels (24 in stock)

https://tgmskateboards.com/spifire-wheels-60mm-f4-kader-loud-clouds-99a-radial-full/


Also on CCS in both 57mm and 60mm

https://shop.ccs.com/collections/skate-components/products/spitfire-f4-99-kader-loud-clouds-radial-full-skateboard-wheels-natural-57mm


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0519/1388/3831/products/888560253933-2.jpg)





That post in the Wheels thread is pretty funny too:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3688037#msg3688037

Does anyone know about shops in europe which has those radial fulls?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 06, 2021, 02:39:55 AM

Does anyone know about shops in europe which has those radial fulls?


From looking up every single shop I could find, every single one is sold out of the Kader wheels.

Guessing the same is going to happen all over, if some areas even get them in at all, given how quickly they sold out there.

I know quite a few independent local shops don't put stock online, so get cracking in contacting all your local shops and asking for them, or even try to put your name / deposit down if you want some that badly.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on December 06, 2021, 03:26:56 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/NgvKx3g/Spitfire-Radial-Full-chart1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gf6R7Jf)

Dude these are like car tyres ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 06, 2021, 04:02:06 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/NgvKx3g/Spitfire-Radial-Full-chart1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gf6R7Jf)
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Dude these are like car tyres ;D

I don't need new wheels, and I have been happily skating small wheels recently, but these tempt me nevertheless just because they are so ridiculously oversized.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bror on December 06, 2021, 05:04:50 AM
Ive found some radial slims in 101a which im considering for my next wheel. Are they super slippery compared to my current conical fulls 99?

I want a wheel thats a little lighter than the CF and is not going to slip out on transition.

Probably could go with a regular radial or conical too, i've only tried CF and classics so far. It's almost like they got too many options..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 06, 2021, 05:40:25 AM
Ive found some radial slims in 101a which im considering for my next wheel. Are they super slippery compared to my current conical fulls 99?

I want a wheel thats a little lighter than the CF and is not going to slip out on transition.

Probably could go with a regular radial or conical too, i've only tried CF and classics so far. It's almost like they got too many options..

If you like the Conical Fulls and just want to go lighter I'd just get the Conicals. Don't get 101A for transition, way too slippery IMO.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on December 06, 2021, 06:56:12 AM
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(https://i.ibb.co/NgvKx3g/Spitfire-Radial-Full-chart1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gf6R7Jf)
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Dude these are like car tyres ;D
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I don't need new wheels, and I have been happily skating small wheels recently, but these tempt me nevertheless just because they are so ridiculously oversized.

Yes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sketchyrider on December 06, 2021, 07:27:57 AM
Ive found some radial slims in 101a which im considering for my next wheel. Are they super slippery compared to my current conical fulls 99?

I want a wheel thats a little lighter than the CF and is not going to slip out on transition.

Probably could go with a regular radial or conical too, i've only tried CF and classics so far. It's almost like they got too many options..

so half of my posts here have been me bitching about my local grindline park, which is relatively new AND under a bridge, so its slick as hell.

i actually switched from bones SPF to spitfire conical 101s, and while they are a little icy, they grip enough to where i don't lose any confidence.

that said if you just want a lighter wheel stick with regs conicals. they are much more common in 99a anyway.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: superleftswipebby on December 06, 2021, 08:53:24 AM
had them 58mm radial fulls from kader's last drop with spitfire. surprisingly they werent as sticky as my 56mm conical fulls. and the radial fulls are ridiculously wide
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dr.prestige on December 06, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
Anyone who has the new Kader wheels: how much does the wheel's shape protrude out over the axle nut? I may consider getting these if it's a decent amount of axle coverage because I hate grinding my axles on slappies.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gateway Hugs on December 06, 2021, 04:14:04 PM
The axle is almost completely covered. The 60mm are so wide. FUN beasts!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on December 08, 2021, 03:07:46 AM
For the US homies: Library has the 57s
https://libraryskateshop.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-loud-clouds-radial-full-57mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 08, 2021, 03:11:41 AM
The axle is almost completely covered. The 60mm are so wide. FUN beasts!

The only thing that might save me from buying these is that I'd also need to replace my 169s with 159s to avoid hot-rodding.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 08, 2021, 11:06:23 AM
In stock

https://garageskateshop.com/collections/spitfire-wheels/products/spitfire-kader-formula-4-loud-clouds-radial-full-57mm-wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on December 08, 2021, 11:57:24 AM
In stock

https://garageskateshop.com/collections/spitfire-wheels/products/spitfire-kader-formula-4-loud-clouds-radial-full-57mm-wheels
Wheels almost @ deck prices for the holidays
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bensquirts on December 08, 2021, 12:49:02 PM
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In stock

https://garageskateshop.com/collections/spitfire-wheels/products/spitfire-kader-formula-4-loud-clouds-radial-full-57mm-wheels
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Wheels almost @ deck prices for the holidays
You can use this code to bring the price down:

Just4You20

Just got a set myself
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 08, 2021, 01:46:44 PM
like my wheels 50mmish but those 57 radial fulls look like the perfect candidate to wear down

worn and wide is the way to go for me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 08, 2021, 05:52:51 PM
Anywhere you do see them, get them while you can.


Garage shop already sold out.

Library shop still shows one in stock.


I used to ride the Bighead 59mm wheels and they cover the wheel nut completely, same width as the 57mm.

You can also put three washers on the insde to bring the wheel out further if needed (which is what I did).

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OldGrayandMongo on December 08, 2021, 06:40:14 PM
35th has the Kader at best price I've seen

http://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Kader-Cloud-Radial-Full-57mm-99a-x60891430.htm

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on December 09, 2021, 05:48:22 AM
ATTN: euro boys

Mantis in Hamburg's got the 57s (and the burnside 58 classics if anyone's into those)
https://mantisshop.de/detail/index/sArticle/7371/sCategory/22

I dm'd them a bit ago and they said that they've ordered the 60, but only the 57s arrived yesterday.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 09, 2021, 09:53:00 AM
https://socalskateshop.com/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Kader-Sylla-Loud-Clouds-Radial-Full-Skateboard-Wheels-Natural-60mm-99a.html

12 in stock
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 09, 2021, 02:30:19 PM
ATTN: euro boys

Mantis in Hamburg's got the 57s (and the burnside 58 classics if anyone's into those)
https://mantisshop.de/detail/index/sArticle/7371/sCategory/22

I dm'd them a bit ago and they said that they've ordered the 60, but only the 57s arrived yesterday.

Lobby has the 57s, too:

https://www.lobby-skateshop.de/produkt/spifire-formula-four-kader-loud-clouds-radial-full-shape-99a/

Almost ordered but then realized that the wheels I really want are 52-54mm Radial Fulls. The Classic Fulls will do for now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on December 09, 2021, 07:29:05 PM
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ATTN: euro boys

Mantis in Hamburg's got the 57s (and the burnside 58 classics if anyone's into those)
https://mantisshop.de/detail/index/sArticle/7371/sCategory/22

I dm'd them a bit ago and they said that they've ordered the 60, but only the 57s arrived yesterday.
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Lobby has the 57s, too:

https://www.lobby-skateshop.de/produkt/spifire-formula-four-kader-loud-clouds-radial-full-shape-99a/

Almost ordered but then realized that the wheels I really want are 52-54mm Radial Fulls. The Classic Fulls will do for now.

Samesies. 52 would be lovely.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 09, 2021, 10:09:46 PM
So many of the older classics in bigger sizes have come back to me, as well as some I have skated down myself, so most wheels around 50 to 52 mm which are still about 34 to 38 mm width are what I like skating the most.

They are such fat square shaped wheels now, but are still really good for most stuff, especially nowdays as I am not skating as much big transition as I used to, more just having fun on curbs, flat and small street stuff.

I wonder if any of you guys who do like the smaller diameter wheels could match up with some others who ride the bigger wheels for a trade / swap deal as I have going on with a number of skaters around my area, or even sending them where ever they need to go.

It is too expensive sending them across the world, otherwise I would share what I have, but even though I can afford new wheels, I prefer well used ones and help people who trade wheels back to me.

The classic and classic full in 56 and 58 are really good, along with the classic 60 mm which are extra wide, but they do take a long time to wear right down.


Just an example of some of the older wheels, including some on the right I reshaped to be a bit more rounded:

(https://i.ibb.co/kq78SJh/Spitfire-used-wheels-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nQGcLBD)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 10, 2021, 04:08:23 AM
Haven’t had the conical fulls in a long time? How have you curb guys been liking them?. I ride mostly the classics or radial slims as I’ve been afraid of having curb stuff be more difficult on the harder edged wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 10, 2021, 07:58:17 AM
I wonder if any of you guys who do like the smaller diameter wheels could match up with some others who ride the bigger wheels for a trade / swap deal as I have going on with a number of skaters around my area, or even sending them where ever they need to go.
(https://i.ibb.co/kq78SJh/Spitfire-used-wheels-01.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nQGcLBD)
im very interested in worn down 60mms in any shape
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 10, 2021, 09:53:27 AM
I love skating 58mm Classics and getting them down to 54mm and below... They just reshape so nicely.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 10, 2021, 02:43:38 PM
Haven’t had the conical fulls in a long time? How have you curb guys been liking them?. I ride mostly the classics or radial slims as I’ve been afraid of having curb stuff be more difficult on the harder edged wheel

When they are new, there is a fairly small but still nicely rounded edge on them, but as they wear down, they definitely get a bit too sharp for what I like, hence the rounding off with an angle grinder in the pic above.

It also depends on which size as the smaller ones (53 to 54mm) are not half as huge as the bigger ones, which is why I usually stick to the Classic / Classic Full too.

I like medium width wheels when really worn down (Classics), or much wider wheels when they still have a little rounding to the edges (Classic Full), as they get on and off coping much more easily, but I am leaning more towards smaller / older Conical Full shapes on street stuff, which is pretty much how my other wheels end up anyway in terms of size and shape.

Not sure I would really ride the Conical Full shape from new, but they are still a good all round wheel for everything once you get used to the different feel to Classic shapes.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 10, 2021, 03:21:00 PM
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Haven’t had the conical fulls in a long time? How have you curb guys been liking them?. I ride mostly the classics or radial slims as I’ve been afraid of having curb stuff be more difficult on the harder edged wheel
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When they are new, there is a fairly small but still nicely rounded edge on them, but as they wear down, they definitely get a bit too sharp for what I like, hence the rounding off with an angle grinder in the pic above.

It also depends on which size as the smaller ones (53 to 54mm) are not half as huge as the bigger ones, which is why I usually stick to the Classic / Classic Full too.

I like medium width wheels when really worn down (Classics), or much wider wheels when they still have a little rounding to the edges (Classic Full), as they get on and off coping much more easily, but I am leaning more towards smaller / older Conical Full shapes on street stuff, which is pretty much how my other wheels end up anyway in terms of size and shape.

Not sure I would really ride the Conical Full shape from new, but they are still a good all round wheel for everything once you get used to the different feel to Classic shapes.
Thanks for the response, i plan on going with a 53 for street so maybe they won’t be so bad or maybe I’ll set them up and hate them. I had a set when they first hit in 99a and I liked them a lot but I skate much differently now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 10, 2021, 08:33:59 PM

Thanks for the response, i plan on going with a 53 for street so maybe they won’t be so bad or maybe I’ll set them up and hate them. I had a set when they first hit in 99a and I liked them a lot but I skate much differently now


I think you would actually like the 53mm size and shape quite a bit.

Looking at some new ones I have here, they are smaller than most of the others, while still being a good size wheel.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Esmith5488 on December 11, 2021, 03:21:41 PM
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Thanks for the response, i plan on going with a 53 for street so maybe they won’t be so bad or maybe I’ll set them up and hate them. I had a set when they first hit in 99a and I liked them a lot but I skate much differently now
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I think you would actually like the 53mm size and shape quite a bit.

Looking at some new ones I have here, they are smaller than most of the others, while still being a good size wheel.
Local shop here just got some in and I might cop a set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 13, 2021, 11:53:19 PM
Anyone have the DLXSF customer service email? Got a huge chip on my F4 Tablets 2 sessions in, wanted to hit them up for a replacement. Spitfire and DLXSF have been quite on IG, thought I'd try email.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FatGuy92 on December 14, 2021, 01:06:26 AM
Anyone have the DLXSF customer service email? Got a huge chip on my F4 Tablets 2 sessions in, wanted to hit them up for a replacement. Spitfire and DLXSF have been quite on IG, thought I'd try email.

There's a "hit us up" option in the top right menu here

https://www.dlxsf.com/

I haven't emailed DLX directly in like 3 years, but they were quick to respond when I had an issue with a BA deck I got awhile back
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on December 14, 2021, 06:05:42 AM
I used the contact email form for some thunders a few months ago. Deluxe’s customer service is painless.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 14, 2021, 06:52:16 AM
I used to contact Scott, he lurked on here for a bit but he mentioned in email he's moved on to another department.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Landmine on December 14, 2021, 08:23:21 AM
If anyone is still after some Kaders, Tactics has them in stock on both sizes.  Just grabbed some 60s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on December 14, 2021, 01:01:30 PM
Anyone have the DLXSF customer service email? Got a huge chip on my F4 Tablets 2 sessions in, wanted to hit them up for a replacement. Spitfire and DLXSF have been quite on IG, thought I'd try email.
Hit up Cam --> [email protected]
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: l1ll1ll1 on December 14, 2021, 01:38:07 PM
euro-friends: shrn has a ton of new spitfires...

https://www.soohotrightnow.com
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 14, 2021, 05:09:21 PM
If anyone is still after some Kaders, Tactics has them in stock on both sizes.  Just grabbed some 60s.


Everything else sold out super quick, so I wonder how long these will last.


https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/kader-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/loud-clouds-99d


Right now:

57mm x 22

60mm x 28

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 14, 2021, 05:43:23 PM
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Anyone have the DLXSF customer service email? Got a huge chip on my F4 Tablets 2 sessions in, wanted to hit them up for a replacement. Spitfire and DLXSF have been quite on IG, thought I'd try email.
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Hit up Cam --> [email protected]

Yup Cameron replied after I dropped them a mail via the website, thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on December 17, 2021, 08:21:49 AM
Is anyone using those Kader radial fulls?

I need to see some shots of how massive they look on a setup.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MaXX_I-D on December 17, 2021, 09:19:54 AM
I see that the hommie that was getting picked on in the set-up thread is selling some 52mm 101 conical fulls. What’s people’seses opinions on the conical fulls in 101. I’m about 140ish(lubs naturally(pounds)) and skating a >14” wheelbase(I feel like it strangely mattters but could be wrong).

TLDR(I felt weirdly young when I had to look up what this meant the other day)

Opinions on 52mm conical fulls 101 or just the shape and duro?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paperclip20 on December 17, 2021, 11:17:18 AM
I see that the hommie that was getting picked on in the set-up thread is selling some 52mm 101 conical fulls. What’s people’seses opinions on the conical fulls in 101. I’m about 140ish(lubs naturally(pounds)) and skating a >14” wheelbase(I feel like it strangely mattters but could be wrong).

TLDR(I felt weirdly young when I had to look up what this meant the other day)

Opinions on 52mm conical fulls 101 or just the shape and duro?

101 54mm Conical fulls are sick so those probably are too. I prefer 99 though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: notinternetfamous on December 17, 2021, 11:33:03 AM
I see that the hommie that was getting picked on in the set-up thread is selling some 52mm 101 conical fulls. What’s people’seses opinions on the conical fulls in 101. I’m about 140ish(lubs naturally(pounds)) and skating a >14” wheelbase(I feel like it strangely mattters but could be wrong).

TLDR(I felt weirdly young when I had to look up what this meant the other day)

Opinions on 52mm conical fulls 101 or just the shape and duro?


It's been a while since I last rode my setup with the 52 mm 101 conical fulls, but I enjoyed them. I honestly couldn't feel the difference between the 99 and 101 formula, but my guess is since I typically skate 99 classics, the 101 conical fulls wouldn't feel more slippery because of the extra riding surface
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Krooked antihero on December 17, 2021, 11:38:41 PM
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I see that the hommie that was getting picked on in the set-up thread is selling some 52mm 101 conical fulls. What’s people’seses opinions on the conical fulls in 101. I’m about 140ish(lubs naturally(pounds)) and skating a >14” wheelbase(I feel like it strangely mattters but could be wrong).

TLDR(I felt weirdly young when I had to look up what this meant the other day)

Opinions on 52mm conical fulls 101 or just the shape and duro?

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It's been a while since I last rode my setup with the 52 mm 101 conical fulls, but I enjoyed them. I honestly couldn't feel the difference between the 99 and 101 formula, but my guess is since I typically skate 99 classics, the 101 conical fulls wouldn't feel more slippery because of the extra riding surface
That’s the wheel I’ve been riding past years, perfect for me, get ’em! Perfect amount of control and slide, also best duro and shape for powerslides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on December 18, 2021, 05:35:48 AM
I skated 52mm 101 conical fulls and they’re sick. Nice low fast.. rides like a Porsche
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 18, 2021, 05:14:41 PM
I am sure 52 mm are still the most common size, but pretty much everyone I know buy or ride 54 mm and up, with 54 to 56 mm being the most common size.

The good thing with that is there are a lot of used wheels that come back to me, when they are 50 to 52 mm in size, which are wider than the usual 52 mm sizes, which I prefer anyway.

Comparing the smaller size wheels, they definitely have a purpose, but they almost look too skinny against all these other worn down bigger and much wider wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: s0sa on December 18, 2021, 08:34:56 PM
anyone know what duro these are?? I can’t find these in any of the catalogs.. https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-classic-swirl-wheels-blackwhite-56mm-90-6661680726070/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 19, 2021, 03:35:12 AM
anyone know what duro these are?? I can’t find these in any of the catalogs.. https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-classic-swirl-wheels-blackwhite-56mm-90-6661680726070/

Two things:

1.  These are the original 99 duro classic swirl wheels, great wheels in their time.

2. They are also rather unique, as they are not in the usual Spitfire packaging and at first thinking they were like the Navarrette swirl which is long out of stock, as far as I know, but I haven't seen these in this colour and graphic ever before, or at least I had some like them a while back, so they could have been a "team rider" or some other special edition.

Some of the Navarrette 56mm swirl:

https://olliedayskateshop.fr/produit/spitfire-wheels-swirl-pro-classic-navarrette-52mm-99a/


Could be just me but as far as more recent options, but the only ones I recall seeing were the orange / yellow swirl classics from last season.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/classic-skateboard-wheels/firefight-orange-yellow-99a


Seems like the Formula Four options come out once in a while too, some green / black conical fulls in shops now.  Most of the coloured wheels are not made in large quantities and usually sell out fairly quickly, but there still might be some around in places that don't get so much traffic, as I have found here and there.


Anyone else correct me if I am wrong though.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: s0sa on December 19, 2021, 08:06:57 AM
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anyone know what duro these are?? I can’t find these in any of the catalogs.. https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-classic-swirl-wheels-blackwhite-56mm-90-6661680726070/
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Two things:

1.  These are the original 99 duro classic swirl wheels, great wheels in their time.

2. They are also rather unique, as they are not in the usual Spitfire packaging and at first thinking they were like the Navarrette swirl which is long out of stock, as far as I know, but I haven't seen these in this colour and graphic ever before, or at least I had some like them a while back, so they could have been a "team rider" or some other special edition.

Some of the Navarrette 56mm swirl:

https://olliedayskateshop.fr/produit/spitfire-wheels-swirl-pro-classic-navarrette-52mm-99a/


Could be just me but as far as more recent options, but the only ones I recall seeing were the orange / yellow swirl classics from last season.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/classic-skateboard-wheels/firefight-orange-yellow-99a


Seems like the Formula Four options come out once in a while too, some green / black conical fulls in shops now.  Most of the coloured wheels are not made in large quantities and usually sell out fairly quickly, but there still might be some around in places that don't get so much traffic, as I have found here and there.


Anyone else correct me if I am wrong though.

thanks for the insight! I bought them last night and they immediately said sold out after. I probably snagged the only pair. thought the packaging was weird but didn’t hesitate to buy since parade has good customer service. If they end up being 99a i’ll be stoked since i’m currently skating those black and green conicals you mentioned but i totally prefer classics over any shape personally!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 19, 2021, 03:57:00 PM

thanks for the insight! I bought them last night and they immediately said sold out after. I probably snagged the only pair. thought the packaging was weird but didn’t hesitate to buy since parade has good customer service. If they end up being 99a i’ll be stoked since i’m currently skating those black and green conicals you mentioned but i totally prefer classics over any shape personally!

I saw the post in the other thread too - interesting they came from a shop with mostly old stock, but should still be legit Spitfire wheels.

The only other thing to note is they are NOT Formula Four, so will have a slippery start until you wear the lines off and we always had to go a little easy on them at first until they wore in as they were so often flatspotted in the first week, more so than in the rest of their life.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on December 19, 2021, 08:25:51 PM
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anyone know what duro these are?? I can’t find these in any of the catalogs.. https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-classic-swirl-wheels-blackwhite-56mm-90-6661680726070/
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Two things:

1.  These are the original 99 duro classic swirl wheels, great wheels in their time.

2. They are also rather unique, as they are not in the usual Spitfire packaging and at first thinking they were like the Navarrette swirl which is long out of stock, as far as I know, but I haven't seen these in this colour and graphic ever before, or at least I had some like them a while back, so they could have been a "team rider" or some other special edition.

Some of the Navarrette 56mm swirl:

https://olliedayskateshop.fr/produit/spitfire-wheels-swirl-pro-classic-navarrette-52mm-99a/


Could be just me but as far as more recent options, but the only ones I recall seeing were the orange / yellow swirl classics from last season.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/classic-skateboard-wheels/firefight-orange-yellow-99a


Seems like the Formula Four options come out once in a while too, some green / black conical fulls in shops now.  Most of the coloured wheels are not made in large quantities and usually sell out fairly quickly, but there still might be some around in places that don't get so much traffic, as I have found here and there.


Anyone else correct me if I am wrong though.
Yeah, was just the orange/yellow classic formulas recently.
Also to add, there is Forumula Four (Radial iirc) swirls coming in Spring for all of you who like swirled wheels :)!

EDIT: Just double checked today, turquoise/green red and black red swirls coming in the Summer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: superleftswipebby on December 20, 2021, 05:37:31 PM
https://ninetimesskateshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-kader-loud-clouds-radial-full-wheels-99d-60mm

the only spot in canada that’s got the 60mm radial fulls
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on December 26, 2021, 07:51:54 AM
Oslo has some radials out soonish, I don’t think they’re kader huge, but there’s still a 57mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 04, 2022, 07:07:16 PM

^^ Yep, awesome wheels.



https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

Spitfire Holiday 21 catalog update has been up for a bit, but at least if anyone wanted normal radials, as Paco said, there are 55 and 57 mm Radials out, which are pretty good for size and shape for the slightly bigger setups, without going super crazy monster truck wheel sizes (Kader Radial Full shape).

I had a set of 57mm x 35.5 with 22 riding surface, from the first run how ever many years ago and they were great.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-hol21-oskar-01.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on January 11, 2022, 01:06:49 PM
ATTN: Europeans

Kader 60s spotted in Germany
https://mantisshop.de/spitfire/spitfire-f4-kader-loud-clouds-99a-radial-full.html?c=22
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on January 11, 2022, 01:49:22 PM
Went by a local shop after treating my folks to brunch and found some Kader Radial Full 60s.

No shame put them on when I got home and damn, these mofos are huge.

Haven't got to skate them yet, but I can only assume they're going to just coast over coping.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on January 12, 2022, 07:50:00 AM
It's gonna be funny seeing all the 50 year old bowl Barneys and the 15 year old hypebeasts riding Kaders
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on January 12, 2022, 12:15:31 PM
Damn Oski's pro wheels look incredible. Would make for a nice sticker or shirt.

Stupid question now..

Will I feel a difference between 99 and 101 spits?
Never had 101 duro wheels before and I am not sure I would like them.

101 duro = sliding better, rattling my bones more?

I skate mostly on crusty streets, but maybe 101d conical fulls would feel nice there?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on January 12, 2022, 12:19:43 PM
I live in the crusty Pacific Northwest and, although they’re ideal for skatepark concrete, I find the 101a to be too harsh for the streets here. 97a all the way for me, these days.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 12, 2022, 01:30:49 PM
Damn Oski's pro wheels look incredible. Would make for a nice sticker or shirt.

Stupid question now..

Will I feel a difference between 99 and 101 spits?
Never had 101 duro wheels before and I am not sure I would like them.

101 duro = sliding better, rattling my bones more?

I skate mostly on crusty streets, but maybe 101d conical fulls would feel nice there?

I live in the crusty Pacific Northwest and, although they’re ideal for skatepark concrete, I find the 101a to be too harsh for the streets here. 97a all the way for me, these days.


I find the 99s to be just the most stable and constant wheel, with 101s tending to be a bit up and down with the consistency over the years.  Of three sets of 101s (all the same wheels) I have set up , one feels super grippy (even more than 97s) one is really slippery and the other is kind of sticky at times but will slide more at other times, so it is a bit funny, whereas the 99s have always felt the same, through many different sets.


I recently set up some 54 mm 97 duro conical full wheels and they sure do feel pretty good on a lot of things, but I think the 99s are still my favourite.  I do have the Classic 97 duro 56 mm on a setup as well, but that was more just an experiment with bigger transition and slippery new bowls.

The 97s take the edge off everything, be it crust or slippery smooth.  I sort of got the feeling they were a little bit slower but others had a go of my boards and couldn't tell with speed either way.


There are people who swear by 101s and others like me who prefer 99s, neither is right or wrong as they are just two different types, but also very similar and close in feel.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jimgrude on January 12, 2022, 08:32:24 PM
Damn Oski's pro wheels look incredible. Would make for a nice sticker or shirt.

Stupid question now..

Will I feel a difference between 99 and 101 spits?
Never had 101 duro wheels before and I am not sure I would like them.

101 duro = sliding better, rattling my bones more?

I skate mostly on crusty streets, but maybe 101d conical fulls would feel nice there?

In my opinion, 101 takes away a lot of the benefits of the F4 formula. 99 and below is where you get that great combination of speed, grip and satisfying slide. If you want to try a 101, I'd recommend STF's, but since you're mostly hitting the crust, I'd stay on 99. I run 99a 56mm Conical Fulls on my crust setup and love it, but might try 97 next time in a slightly smaller, narrower shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on January 13, 2022, 11:02:01 AM
I am 100% committed to 99A except for slippery indoor skateparks and wooden miniramps. I found 97A to be perfect for that. I don’t skate super crusty spots but on rough asphalt I much prefer 99A over 97A. The latter feel slow and grip too much when sliding flat ground tricks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrontsideFrank on January 13, 2022, 04:58:44 PM
 bounce back and forth between the 101s and 99s. 99 is definitely a touch friendlier in the streets, but a wide contact patch 101 still works without rattling your feet to sleep. Both have a pretty similar grip to slide ratio, with the 101s being just a hair easier to break loose. I rolled around on a buddy's 97s for a bit and I wasn't a huge fan. They're still better than other 97s out there, but they were a little grippier than I'd want (without being a whole lot more comfortable/softer than the 99s).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on January 14, 2022, 02:07:16 AM
What shape for 99s? I got conical fulls in 56mm/97a for the slippery indoor park and street crust but need something faster and maybe lighter on good concrete parks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 14, 2022, 03:16:45 AM
What shape for 99s? I got conical fulls in 56mm/97a for the slippery indoor park and street crust but need something faster and maybe lighter on good concrete parks

If you like the edge on the Conical Full wheels, you could always get the same in 99, but if you wanted a little more go, I would usually say Classics are where it is at, or even Classic Full if you wanted a little wider in the same rounded shape.

There are almost too many options if people are not sure, but the rounder edge will be easier on everything and not stick so much when on coping or edges the way the Conical Full and squared shapes tend to do, which is different to how much they slide or grip on the riding surface, but again there is the smaller contact patch on Classics compared to the wider contact patch on Conical Full wheels, and all the rest in between.


Edit:  If you hadn't seen the full size chart earlier, there are a few throughout the last ten or so pages, but didn't come up on a search, apart from Page 117 with this post


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3573166;topicseen#msg3573166


There is a better, high res full card image somewhere too, that gets reposted every now and then with all the shapes.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on January 14, 2022, 08:42:24 AM
There are def too many shapes. Didn’t know about classic fulls, that’s the one thanks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on January 17, 2022, 01:39:02 AM
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What shape for 99s? I got conical fulls in 56mm/97a for the slippery indoor park and street crust but need something faster and maybe lighter on good concrete parks
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There are almost too many options if people are not sure, but the rounder edge will be easier on everything and not stick so much when on coping or edges the way the Conical Full and squared shapes tend to do [...].

I feel conical/square vs. rounded on coping is the most noticeable difference between the shapes. Personally, I prefer the solid lock in of Conical Fulls over Classics when skating transition. My grinds are noticeably faster and longer with Classics, however I need to focus on locking in much more and still wipe out from time to time. Therefore my confidence to go faster in the first place is higher with Conical Fulls.

There is a better, high res full card image somewhere too, that gets reposted every now and then with all the shapes.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3587166#msg3587166
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on January 17, 2022, 09:54:47 AM
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What shape for 99s? I got conical fulls in 56mm/97a for the slippery indoor park and street crust but need something faster and maybe lighter on good concrete parks
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There are almost too many options if people are not sure, but the rounder edge will be easier on everything and not stick so much when on coping or edges the way the Conical Full and squared shapes tend to do [...].

I feel conical/square vs. rounded on coping is the most noticeable difference between the shapes. Personally, I prefer the solid lock in of Conical Fulls over Classics when skating transition. My grinds are noticeably faster and longer with Classics, however I need to focus on locking in much more and still wipe out from time to time. Therefore my confidence to go faster in the first place is higher with Conical Fulls.
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I’ll agree with this. Went from conical fulls to radial fulls and the wide wheel and rounded edges send me sailing over coping — metal and pool. I can say the lock-in felt better with the conical fulls, but getting over the coping easier is my preference.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 17, 2022, 02:40:42 PM
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What shape for 99s? I got conical fulls in 56mm/97a for the slippery indoor park and street crust but need something faster and maybe lighter on good concrete parks
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There are almost too many options if people are not sure, but the rounder edge will be easier on everything and not stick so much when on coping or edges the way the Conical Full and squared shapes tend to do [...].
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I feel conical/square vs. rounded on coping is the most noticeable difference between the shapes. Personally, I prefer the solid lock in of Conical Fulls over Classics when skating transition. My grinds are noticeably faster and longer with Classics, however I need to focus on locking in much more and still wipe out from time to time. Therefore my confidence to go faster in the first place is higher with Conical Fulls.

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There is a better, high res full card image somewhere too, that gets reposted every now and then with all the shapes.
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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3587166#msg3587166


That's the one!!!!!!

I feel like you could post that on every second page and it would not be a bad thing.


I would repost it, but it was your post so seeing as you are still active, I think that would be a bit weird.

The other thing is when people (like me) go looking for SPITFIRE SHAPE CHART that doesn't come up, so if possible could you add those words to your original post, or repost that chart again - still the same link, etc - with those words, as that would be a lot easier for anyone to find.


I also wonder if they will make a chart or anything with Radial Full and Classic Full on it, or if they are just "specialty shapes" so they wouldn't appear on any normal full chart, not to mention they are running out of room too.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on January 17, 2022, 06:53:20 PM
I was looking for width dimensions of the radial full 60mm and end up on a UK shops page from the Google search that was using that picture I uploaded here of the size chart. It was edited a bit, but there was scratch and crease that matched up perfectly with the pic I posted here.

Shout out to whatever shop that was that browses slap gear threads for the product pages. It’s a small world after all
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on January 17, 2022, 07:55:53 PM
Rumor is
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Conical Fulls coming this Summer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on January 18, 2022, 06:40:10 AM
Rumor is
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Conical Fulls coming this Summer.

A 60mm 97a wheel would be hilarious. I know so many crusty dudes who would buy that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 18, 2022, 02:21:27 PM
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Rumor is
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Conical Fulls coming this Summer.
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A 60mm 97a wheel would be hilarious. I know so many crusty dudes who would buy that.


There is definitely a market for that size, shape and duro.

As it is a lot of people are unable to get their hands on the 58mm Conical Full in 97 duro here in AU, but that would be even better actually coming out in Formula Four 97 for the slippery ramp stuff, especially the vert guys who are not so able bodied.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on January 18, 2022, 02:27:33 PM
how will slimeballs ever recover
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on January 18, 2022, 02:43:16 PM
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Rumor is
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Conical Fulls coming this Summer.
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A 60mm 97a wheel would be hilarious. I know so many crusty dudes who would buy that.

(https://i.ibb.co/Z2MRSXj/62-A3-B7-B5-4830-416-B-AEFB-92162-AFD0421.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z2MRSXj)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: typeischeap on January 20, 2022, 04:08:11 PM
Oski Radial 55 vs. Classic 56 vs. Conical Full 54. Seems like the radial is almost an exact average/tweener of the classic and cf. It's either the perfect shape that does everything well or the worst shape that does nothing well (this is mostly a joke). Gear madness at its highest level I would say.

(https://i.ibb.co/dJKP4w5/PXL-20220120-235706501.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJKP4w5)(https://i.ibb.co/JHBd1NM/PXL-20220120-235801113.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JHBd1NM)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on January 21, 2022, 06:07:49 AM
Oski Radial 55 vs. Classic 56 vs. Conical Full 54. Seems like the radial is almost an exact average/tweener of the classic and cf. It's either the perfect shape that does everything well or the worst shape that does nothing well (this is mostly a joke). Gear madness at its highest level I would say.

(https://i.ibb.co/dJKP4w5/PXL-20220120-235706501.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJKP4w5)(https://i.ibb.co/JHBd1NM/PXL-20220120-235801113.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JHBd1NM)

Thanks for these, very useful. Might have to try the Oskis.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jowiththeflow on January 21, 2022, 09:36:51 AM
Oski Radial 55 vs. Classic 56 vs. Conical Full 54. Seems like the radial is almost an exact average/tweener of the classic and cf. It's either the perfect shape that does everything well or the worst shape that does nothing well (this is mostly a joke). Gear madness at its highest level I would say.

(https://i.ibb.co/dJKP4w5/PXL-20220120-235706501.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJKP4w5)(https://i.ibb.co/JHBd1NM/PXL-20220120-235801113.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JHBd1NM)

The Radial Full is by far the best shape, imo.
They have a solid riding surface right out of the box (unlike the classic), and they don't lock in as much as a conical.
I love that they make me confident enough to really lean into (smith)grinds again, because I fell I can get out easily!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: nekro on January 22, 2022, 10:39:35 AM
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Rumor is
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Conical Fulls coming this Summer.
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A 60mm 97a wheel would be hilarious. I know so many crusty dudes who would buy that.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Z2MRSXj/62-A3-B7-B5-4830-416-B-AEFB-92162-AFD0421.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z2MRSXj)

Hilarious that you think that would be hilarious.  Standard size/durometer back in the day and works perfectly.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on January 22, 2022, 11:24:34 AM
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Conical Fulls coming this Summer.
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A 60mm 97a wheel would be hilarious. I know so many crusty dudes who would buy that.
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(https://i.ibb.co/Z2MRSXj/62-A3-B7-B5-4830-416-B-AEFB-92162-AFD0421.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z2MRSXj)
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Hilarious that you think that would be hilarious.  Standard size/durometer back in the day and works perfectly.

That’s exactly why it would be funny. Right back where we began, skating 97a, 60mm wheels on 9” wide boards in a subterranean parking garage.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Schinken on January 23, 2022, 01:59:18 AM
Might be of interest. Size/shape chart from my latest purchase.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 03:23:28 AM
Might be of interest. Size/shape chart from my latest purchase.

That's rad and thanks for posting.

Was this from the Kader wheels?

I see Radial Slim is still in there @rocklobster and Radial Full replaces the Radial info.


It is better to upload using the "Add image to post" which should be directly under the type box, so it is a much higher res image and hosted on the free site, vs files attached on the Slap server.


EDIT: 


2022 Spitfire chart with Radial Full info from @Schinken


I just changed the link to the hi res version you uploaded.

https://imgbb.com/jJGKBDf

(https://i.ibb.co/2ZP2mdh/IMAG1854.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/jJGKBDf)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: typeischeap on January 23, 2022, 07:39:00 AM
Here's the one from the Oskis if it helps...

(https://i.ibb.co/jJKjy4q/PXL-20220123-153607760.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJKjy4q)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Schinken on January 23, 2022, 07:56:03 AM
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Might be of interest. Size/shape chart from my latest purchase.
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That's rad and thanks for posting.

Was this from the Kader wheels?

I see Radial Slim is still in there @rocklobster and Radial Full replaces the Radial info.


It is better to upload using the "Add image to post" which should be directly under the type box, so it is a much higher res image and hosted on the free site, vs files attached on the Slap server.

I just uploaded your pic then, but I will remove it if you upload the hi res version.



(https://i.ibb.co/kqWdjpf/Spitfire-Backing-Chart-2022.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XFvw19g)

Yes, this chart was from those kader wheels.

(https://ibb.co/jJGKBDf)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Schinken on January 23, 2022, 08:22:51 AM
(https://ibb.co/jJGKBDf)

[Img] didn't work, here is the link
https://ibb.co/jJGKBDf
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on January 23, 2022, 11:18:00 AM
are the regular radials no more?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on January 23, 2022, 12:01:06 PM
are the regular radials no more?

The new Oskis in 55 and 57 mm are Radials.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 01:54:56 PM
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are the regular radials no more?
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The new Oskis in 55 and 57 mm are Radials.


Yeah I think they just ran out of room on the backing cards, so can only put so  many on there, compared to the now eleven different shapes, isn't it?


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on January 23, 2022, 02:08:18 PM
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are the regular radials no more?
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The new Oskis in 55 and 57 mm are Radials.
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Yeah I think they just ran out of room on the backing cards, so can only put so  many on there, compared to the now eleven different shapes, isn't it?

Definitely, though I think it’s 10:

Classic
Classic Full
Lock-Ins
Tablets
O.G. Classics
Radial Slims
Radials
Radial Full
Conical
Conical Full

As a Tech Writer, it really bothers me that they don’t name the shapes consistently. Slims vs. Full(s), Radials vs. Conical(s), etc.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 23, 2022, 02:36:37 PM

didn't work, here is the link
https://ibb.co/jJGKBDf

(https://i.ibb.co/2ZP2mdh/IMAG1854.jpg)


I updated my post from before with the chart you uploaded, so again thanks for that!


Here's the one from the Oskis if it helps...

(https://i.ibb.co/NThG9Yf/PXL-20220123-153607760.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJKjy4q)


Thanks for that too!

Interesting it seems it is only the Radial Full wheels that come with the changed chart, as per this one, from the Radials, which still has the 2021 chart as is.


Those normal Radials are a nice wheel too.



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are the regular radials no more?
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The new Oskis in 55 and 57 mm are Radials.
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Yeah I think they just ran out of room on the backing cards, so can only put so  many on there, compared to the now eleven different shapes, isn't it?
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Definitely, though I think it’s 10:

Classic
Classic Full
Lock-Ins
Tablets
O.G. Classics
Radial Slims
Radials
Radial Full
Conical
Conical Full

As a Tech Writer, it really bothers me that they don’t name the shapes consistently. Slims vs. Full(s), Radials vs. Conical(s), etc.


https://skateparkoftampa.com/product/73413/Spitfire_Andrew_Reynolds_Sweeper_Formula_Four_99D_Classic_Slim_Wheels



Classic Slim wheels were the eleventh shape.

Guessing the Classic Slims will never make a comeback, but they were in there for a minute, mainly the Reynolds pro wheels, but I guess there wasn't enough interest to keep them going.


I totally get what you mean too - some have (s) on the end, some do not.

Just one of those things, but I always try to keep the names in capitals too, eg Radials, Classic Full, etc.  That is just my "English teacher" coming out though, not that I ever finished teaching college.



Edit:

A better listing of the "Classic Slims" with the side view as well.

https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/spitfire-wheels-reynolds-street-sweepers-99du-classic-slims-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p27595

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: europa1991 on January 23, 2022, 05:50:54 PM
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are the regular radials no more?
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The new Oskis in 55 and 57 mm are Radials.
Huh Idk why I thought they were fulls but got a set yesterday and really like them. Curious what other ppl think about them tho
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on January 23, 2022, 06:02:34 PM
Currently started skating an old set of 54m radials I dug out and man I hope they make these more available
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backinaction on January 23, 2022, 06:23:50 PM
I haven’t seen lock-ins in years.  I massively chunked mine and was never able to find a replacement.  I liked them a lot.  Wide surface, big lock in, still rounded enough on the outside to roll up on things.  Great transition shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 03, 2022, 09:30:34 PM
Well, at least the Radial slims are still in the line-up even if no drops contain them.

Based on the insert pics, the OG looks really similar to the Radial slim (and yet, also like the Conical Full). Am I crazy? Granted width is different per mm tall, maybe the OGs are a bit more round+the cutaway?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2022, 03:44:32 AM
Well, at least the Radial slims are still in the line-up even if no drops contain them.

Based on the insert pics, the OG looks really similar to the Radial slim (and yet, also like the Conical Full). Am I crazy? Granted width is different per mm tall, maybe the OGs are a bit more round+the cutaway?


OG Classics ride and feel like a very squared off wheel, with a cutout from just under the lip of the wheel, so when they go down a few mm, they end up quite sharp, just like the Conical Full and similar wheels do.

They were also thinner than I had first thought, but when setup they skate well, sort of like a fatter Tablet or Radial Slim, even if it is barely a mm or so extra.

I can't help but think that Conical Full are maybe the best all rounder, even if I am not so keen on them when new, all the older used sets of 54mm, mostly down around 50-52 mm I have received back from people and then machined to be a bit more round on both edges just work so well.


The tablet with a little rounding is maybe the closest thing to what a lot of people miss with the Radial Slim wheels, but I guess most people are a bit scared to take an angle grinder to wheels like I do.  If they are not used to it, they can make a pretty big mess, but it pays off - the same dimensions with a slightly more rounded edge.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fakie varial flip on February 04, 2022, 06:57:16 AM
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Well, at least the Radial slims are still in the line-up even if no drops contain them.

Based on the insert pics, the OG looks really similar to the Radial slim (and yet, also like the Conical Full). Am I crazy? Granted width is different per mm tall, maybe the OGs are a bit more round+the cutaway?
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OG Classics ride and feel like a very squared off wheel, with a cutout from just under the lip of the wheel, so when they go down a few mm, they end up quite sharp, just like the Conical Full and similar wheels do.

They were also thinner than I had first thought, but when setup they skate well, sort of like a fatter Tablet or Radial Slim, even if it is barely a mm or so extra.

I can't help but think that Conical Full are maybe the best all rounder, even if I am not so keen on them when new, all the older used sets of 54mm, mostly down around 50-52 mm I have received back from people and then machined to be a bit more round on both edges just work so well.


The tablet with a little rounding is maybe the closest thing to what a lot of people miss with the Radial Slim wheels, but I guess most people are a bit scared to take an angle grinder to wheels like I do.  If they are not used to it, they can make a pretty big mess, but it pays off - the same dimensions with a slightly more rounded edge.

I don't think that insert picture is very representative of the OG Classics' actual shape - it's definitely much sharper. I'm currently skating some and they're far sharper on the edge than I thought they'd be. I was much a much bigger fan of tablets (even though they're just as square, I like their edge more) since they don't feel like they lock in as hard.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on February 04, 2022, 07:03:46 AM
Rumor is
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Conical Fulls coming this Summer.

jeff carlyle promodel, coming in 58mm too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 04, 2022, 07:52:25 AM
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Well, at least the Radial slims are still in the line-up even if no drops contain them.

Based on the insert pics, the OG looks really similar to the Radial slim (and yet, also like the Conical Full). Am I crazy? Granted width is different per mm tall, maybe the OGs are a bit more round+the cutaway?
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OG Classics ride and feel like a very squared off wheel, with a cutout from just under the lip of the wheel, so when they go down a few mm, they end up quite sharp, just like the Conical Full and similar wheels do.

They were also thinner than I had first thought, but when setup they skate well, sort of like a fatter Tablet or Radial Slim, even if it is barely a mm or so extra.

I can't help but think that Conical Full are maybe the best all rounder, even if I am not so keen on them when new, all the older used sets of 54mm, mostly down around 50-52 mm I have received back from people and then machined to be a bit more round on both edges just work so well.


The tablet with a little rounding is maybe the closest thing to what a lot of people miss with the Radial Slim wheels, but I guess most people are a bit scared to take an angle grinder to wheels like I do.  If they are not used to it, they can make a pretty big mess, but it pays off - the same dimensions with a slightly more rounded edge.




Pretty sure if I had an angle grinder, I'd probably do it ;)

I've not ridden 'conical' spits since their debut, only classics/classic slim (I'd still ride them if they made them), radial slims, tablets (yuck) and the Conical full 97a.

Currently setting up a new sled and am torn between classics and radial slims. Been on Bones V5s for a minute (closer to classics).

The radial slims are still out there!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on February 04, 2022, 10:04:50 AM
You can’t really go wrong with Classics.

To someone that asked about standard Radials you can find them on Parade in tons of sizes. Only shape I haven’t ridden.

What happened to the Classic Full I think it was- the Classics that were just slightly wider?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 04, 2022, 10:10:06 AM
You can’t really go wrong with Classics.

To someone that asked about standard Radials you can find them on Parade in tons of sizes. Only shape I haven’t ridden.

What happened to the Classic Full I think it was- the Classics that were just slightly wider?

Classic Fulls still come up every once in awhile. Usually as a Lifer model for someone like Lance.That's probably my favorite all round shape. Noticeably wider than a Classic, great shape that seems to last longer and I like the way they square off as they wear down.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on February 04, 2022, 10:24:04 AM
I'm running some 58mm classics right now in hopes of them wearing down to a perfect radial like 54mm. Any one got photos of a set they wore down from a similar size?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on February 04, 2022, 04:33:04 PM
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You can’t really go wrong with Classics.

To someone that asked about standard Radials you can find them on Parade in tons of sizes. Only shape I haven’t ridden.

What happened to the Classic Full I think it was- the Classics that were just slightly wider?
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Classic Fulls still come up every once in awhile. Usually as a Lifer model for someone like Lance.That's probably my favorite all round shape. Noticeably wider than a Classic, great shape that seems to last longer and I like the way they square off as they wear down.

There are some out there now.  They go by "repeaters"
https://seasonsskateshop.com/products/spitfire-f4-repeater-54mm-classic-full
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 04, 2022, 04:39:31 PM
I'm running some 58mm classics right now in hopes of them wearing down to a perfect radial like 54mm. Any one got photos of a set they wore down from a similar size?

I sure do. These are exactly that 58 classic worn down to 54, maybe a little bit under.


(https://i.imgur.com/PiLj3ed.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fakie varial flip on February 04, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
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I'm running some 58mm classics right now in hopes of them wearing down to a perfect radial like 54mm. Any one got photos of a set they wore down from a similar size?
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I sure do. These are exactly that 58 classic worn down to 54, maybe a little bit under.


(https://i.imgur.com/PiLj3ed.jpg)

*chef kiss*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2022, 06:09:31 PM
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You can’t really go wrong with Classics.

To someone that asked about standard Radials you can find them on Parade in tons of sizes. Only shape I haven’t ridden.

What happened to the Classic Full I think it was- the Classics that were just slightly wider?
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Classic Fulls still come up every once in awhile. Usually as a Lifer model for someone like Lance.That's probably my favorite all round shape. Noticeably wider than a Classic, great shape that seems to last longer and I like the way they square off as they wear down.


When I was running a shop (so had wholesale access) and the Grosso 56 mm and then the Lance 56 mm Classic Fulls came out I bought any and all I could get my hands on.

Any that had the one different colour, I usually tried to buy four sets, so I could swap them out, so I would get the white / natural sets and someone else could take the neon yellow, or blue or whatever others there were.  Someone always wanted a unique set of coloured wheels and I was stoked on the regular ones without any colour.

They really are such a good wheel.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on February 05, 2022, 05:10:54 AM
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I'm running some 58mm classics right now in hopes of them wearing down to a perfect radial like 54mm. Any one got photos of a set they wore down from a similar size?
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I sure do. These are exactly that 58 classic worn down to 54, maybe a little bit under.


(https://i.imgur.com/PiLj3ed.jpg)
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*chef kiss*
Fuck yeah! they look great @Frank and Fred   :D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on February 05, 2022, 05:15:53 AM
You can’t really go wrong with Classics.

To someone that asked about standard Radials you can find them on Parade in tons of sizes. Only shape I haven’t ridden.

What happened to the Classic Full I think it was- the Classics that were just slightly wider?
Aren’t Bigheads Classic Fulls?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 05, 2022, 06:18:16 PM
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You can’t really go wrong with Classics.

To someone that asked about standard Radials you can find them on Parade in tons of sizes. Only shape I haven’t ridden.

What happened to the Classic Full I think it was- the Classics that were just slightly wider?
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Aren’t Bigheads Classic Fulls?


They sure are, back when they were called "Bighead shape" before F4 and Classic Full was even a thing.

That was my go to for a long, long time and I still have a few too many of them new and used, floating around.


The funny thing is the newer ones are actually not as wide as the older ones, so somewhere along the way, they became the new Classic shape, more so than the Full shape they used to be.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on February 07, 2022, 02:23:08 AM
anybody know if spitfire is going to keep making 97 classics? i didn't see them in the last 2 catalogs and i really liked them, sure they wore down a little quicker but they felt like cruiser wheels that slid
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: nitro89 on February 07, 2022, 03:31:55 AM
anybody know if spitfire is going to keep making 97 classics? i didn't see them in the last 2 catalogs and i really liked them, sure they wore down a little quicker but they felt like cruiser wheels that slid

http://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-fl21-d1-97s-09.jpg

97 classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on February 07, 2022, 04:50:49 AM
Speaking of 97A Classics, after exclusively skating them at the indoor skatepark I tried the concrete bowl and some flat (rough asphalt) again. Didn’t like them there in the summer, way too sticky, but now with temperatures between 0-5 °C they felt pretty good. More forgiving than 99A and with a controlled slide even on humid patches. I am using them on the Heroin Symmetrical Egg, feels like a great setup for mellow sessions when speed is not a priority.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on February 07, 2022, 05:07:24 AM
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anybody know if spitfire is going to keep making 97 classics? i didn't see them in the last 2 catalogs and i really liked them, sure they wore down a little quicker but they felt like cruiser wheels that slid
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http://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-fl21-d1-97s-09.jpg

97 classics

sick, thanks. if they're staying in the range i hope they're going to make 58mm 97 classics in the future. i bought my 56s on the 1st of september and they went down to 48-49 in 5 months. it took a whole year for my 58 99 classics to wear down to 50
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Cowboy on February 07, 2022, 10:55:21 AM
Over summer 21' I started skating the OG Classic shaped F4's, I prefer it over the conical full as they are more of the square shape i look for while having a large riding surface
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 07, 2022, 09:03:45 PM
Anyone got a review of the Radial Fulls yet? Specifically, the 60mm?

Want a wheel for big rugged parks... Think giant Oregon coast parks like Lincoln City....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 07, 2022, 10:19:32 PM
Over summer 21' I started skating the OG Classic shaped F4's, I prefer it over the conical full as they are more of the square shape i look for while having a large riding surface

yeah same but Im kinda gonna ditch square wheels might as well skate classics and hold crooks better and grind faster
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 08, 2022, 03:50:36 AM
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anybody know if spitfire is going to keep making 97 classics? i didn't see them in the last 2 catalogs and i really liked them, sure they wore down a little quicker but they felt like cruiser wheels that slid
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http://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-fl21-d1-97s-09.jpg

97 classics
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sick, thanks. if they're staying in the range i hope they're going to make 58mm 97 classics in the future. i bought my 56s on the 1st of september and they went down to 48-49 in 5 months. it took a whole year for my 58 99 classics to wear down to 50


Wow, that is interesting to hear, so they wore out in half the time.

I usually find my softer wheels last so much longer than my normal 99 duro wheels, but maybe I am not doing as much on them.

Anything in particular where you were skating, or how you were skating that might have influenced how quickly they wore down?



And re 97 duro wheels, I think there is an even bigger market than they first thought, so there are lots more coming out in the coming deliveries, more so in the Conical Full shape - 58mm and 60mm next drop as others have already said, but Classics are the primary shape, so I can't see them being stopped any time soon, but who knows about the bigger sizes.

I haven't skated my 97 duros half as much as I thought I might, but there haven't really been the situations where I wanted or needed more grip or slightly softer duro wheels a whole lot here, but I got a couple of sets of the 56 Classics and a couple of sets of the 54 Conical Full wheels just to have them if I needed them.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 08, 2022, 03:55:27 AM
Anyone got a review of the Radial Fulls yet? Specifically, the 60mm?

Want a wheel for big rugged parks... Think giant Oregon coast parks like Lincoln City....


From seeing some of those places and knowing how the 60mm Spitfires skate, I would say "Get them!" as I think they would work really well.

Anything with a decent width truck and good size board and those things would just work so well.

I do recall seeing some more F4 Classics in 60 mm out again now too, which are 39mm wide and start with a decent contact patch for a classic, 21.5 mm if a slightly more rounded wheel was preferred, but those Kader wheels are huge all round, so I think they would definitely work well on Oregon crust.


The last set I recall seeing:


My spare/novelty/shaped setup is quickly becoming a great cruiser and gnar/ditch board I think...

(https://i.ibb.co/q7GZjrk/PXL-20220103-201337857-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7GZjrk)(https://i.ibb.co/4NJ0NGV/PXL-20220103-201352970-2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4NJ0NGV)(https://i.ibb.co/q1wJCgH/PXL-20211223-193722718.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q1wJCgH)

Found a home for the 60mm Kaders and trying my first set of deck rails since my Staab c. 1987, lol.




Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on February 08, 2022, 09:47:13 AM
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anybody know if spitfire is going to keep making 97 classics? i didn't see them in the last 2 catalogs and i really liked them, sure they wore down a little quicker but they felt like cruiser wheels that slid
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http://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall21/sf-fl21-d1-97s-09.jpg

97 classics
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sick, thanks. if they're staying in the range i hope they're going to make 58mm 97 classics in the future. i bought my 56s on the 1st of september and they went down to 48-49 in 5 months. it took a whole year for my 58 99 classics to wear down to 50
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Wow, that is interesting to hear, so they wore out in half the time.

I usually find my softer wheels last so much longer than my normal 99 duro wheels, but maybe I am not doing as much on them.

Anything in particular where you were skating, or how you were skating that might have influenced how quickly they wore down?



And re 97 duro wheels, I think there is an even bigger market than they first thought, so there are lots more coming out in the coming deliveries, more so in the Conical Full shape - 58mm and 60mm next drop as others have already said, but Classics are the primary shape, so I can't see them being stopped any time soon, but who knows about the bigger sizes.

I haven't skated my 97 duros half as much as I thought I might, but there haven't really been the situations where I wanted or needed more grip or slightly softer duro wheels a whole lot here, but I got a couple of sets of the 56 Classics and a couple of sets of the 54 Conical Full wheels just to have them if I needed them.

first of all i skate a lot when the weather's right, i try to catch at least an hour of skating after work everyday

with the 97s i bombed some crustier hills that i wouldn't try on the 99s but it's not like i did that a lot, i rode down maybe 3 different hills once. other than that i did the same shit on the 97s as i would on the 99s and most of my skating went down at skatepark. and i don't want to downplay them - the 97s were more durable than dialtones i had before them, those went from 54 to 45 in 5 months so there's that. still a great wheel and to be fair f4s never outlasted for example stfs but they just feel much better to me.

i can't imagine having 2 different setups because i need a lot of time to adjust to a .25 longer wheelbase so owning two different boards with different trucks and trying to skate them both would be a nightmare to me but i'm thinking about having two sets of wheels (97s and 99s) and switching them depending on the spot. the 97s really are the only street wheels i had the opportunity to try out that slid well while actually feeling noticeably softer. i read that some people on here felt like they were pretty much the same as 99s but i have no fucking idea how somebody could come to that conclusion, they don't even feel the same at concrete skateparks where most wheels are at least ok. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Cowboy on February 08, 2022, 11:03:10 AM
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Over summer 21' I started skating the OG Classic shaped F4's, I prefer it over the conical full as they are more of the square shape i look for while having a large riding surface
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yeah same but Im kinda gonna ditch square wheels might as well skate classics and hold crooks better and grind faster

Im on square wheels because they feel like a more secure/consistent lock in for rails, like crooks, 5-0, and 50s feel much more more stable with square wheels, maybe its a mental thing for me but the classic shape feels like its gonna slip out of the lock-in on round handrails with crooks, 50s, ect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 08, 2022, 08:52:59 PM
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Over summer 21' I started skating the OG Classic shaped F4's, I prefer it over the conical full as they are more of the square shape i look for while having a large riding surface
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yeah same but Im kinda gonna ditch square wheels might as well skate classics and hold crooks better and grind faster
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Im on square wheels because they feel like a more secure/consistent lock in for rails, like crooks, 5-0, and 50s feel much more more stable with square wheels, maybe its a mental thing for me but the classic shape feels like its gonna slip out of the lock-in on round handrails with crooks, 50s, ect.

that makes sense cuz I only skate ledges and it seems to be the opposite for those hahaha. Cool findings

I think best bet for you would be a square wheel yeah whereas for ledges I'd say based on what we've discussed a round-sided, but tall (55-56mm) wheel would work best because that would somewhat add to lock in
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 09, 2022, 05:14:38 PM

Spitfire Spring 2022 Drop 1 is up


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


Quite a few good ones, a couple of different options (the custom Yuto pro graphics looking cool for @rocklobster but sorry no Radial Slims) but the coloured options of the Skate Like A Girl are pretty cool, as are the Radial Full wheels in smaller sizes - smaller than 60mm that is.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-skate-like-a-girl-05.jpg)


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on February 09, 2022, 05:36:55 PM

Spitfire Spring 2022 Drop 1 is up


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


Quite a few good ones, a couple of different options (the custom Yuto pro graphics looking cool for @rocklobster but sorry no Radial Slims) but the coloured options of the Skate Like A Girl are pretty cool, as are the Radial Full wheels in smaller sizes - smaller than 60mm that is.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-skate-like-a-girl-05.jpg)


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)

Another drop, another season without Radial Slims.

Also noticed that Conical (Yellow / Green), Radials and 101a Tablets (red) are missing. 101a Tablets have been really hard to come by over the last few drops, I wonder if they are phasing those out too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on February 09, 2022, 05:56:14 PM
Not a lot of 101a options but most skate 99a. But I got some 101a wheels ordered just to switch shit up. I’ll prob quickly be reminded why I skate 99a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on February 09, 2022, 05:57:16 PM
alright i think it’s time to slow down with the 57mms
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on February 09, 2022, 10:41:55 PM
Has me wondering if Spitfire is stripping down their range to just the most popular sizes (Classics, Conical Full) to account for material shortages around the world. Read a business piece last week that even mega corporation Vans is having production delays stemming from COVID and material shortage.

Keep the SKUs limited to allocate all available urethane to the best selling shapes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: left knee cap on February 09, 2022, 11:22:11 PM
is there any reason why they rarely do radials/radial slims smaller than 55mm? wanna try these out but worried about size, unless if that’s the purpose of the shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on February 09, 2022, 11:32:48 PM
is there any reason why they rarely do radials/radial slims smaller than 55mm? wanna try these out but worried about size, unless if that’s the purpose of the shape?

A couple of online retailers still carry Radial Slims 99a in 52/54mm if you do some digging. But like I mentioned above, probably streamlining the catalog to keep raw materials for the most popular shapes. Most of the recent pro / 1-off wheels have been Classics (Mason Silva, Louie Lopez, Yuto, Burnside).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 10, 2022, 01:47:55 AM
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is there any reason why they rarely do radials/radial slims smaller than 55mm? wanna try these out but worried about size, unless if that’s the purpose of the shape?
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A couple of online retailers still carry Radial Slims 99a in 52/54mm if you do some digging. But like I mentioned above, probably streamlining the catalog to keep raw materials for the most popular shapes. Most of the recent pro / 1-off wheels have been Classics (Mason Silva, Louie Lopez, Yuto, Burnside).


I definitely think they are having issues, as someone else either said on here or to me something about getting whatever wheels you want sooner rather than later cause when that shortage hits, things are going to be a struggle for anything but the basics.

Seems about right, as per the article you read too.


As far as sizes and all the different shapes and all that, there are still more often than not some around, even more just coming in via the local distro, but they are snapped up very quickly so if you don't know which shop got the specific ones you are after and they don't put them up on ebay or whatever, you would never know that they were even around this year.

I follow way too many shop accounts and see so many different shapes, sizes and consistent drops of new stock, so it is almost surprising some times how much comes and is sold quickly or already on order for the usual locals at any given place.  With that, I thought it would be too over the top to post every new drop of Formula Four wheels on here, but as per many people who check in here, if you are after something specific in a given country, someone might be able to point you in the right direction too.


When it comes to different shapes, I know this is a broad statement, but if there were only two types of wheel available - Classics and Conical Full wheels - the majority of skateboarders could still skate either well enough.  Not saying they would particularly like them, but they could skate them.

From having at least one of each shape new or used (as well as all the wheels that have come and gone over the years), often multiples of the different sizes of each shape, there really were so so so so many different options it was almost too much, so it would make sense they scale things back if they are having material shortages.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 10, 2022, 02:13:13 AM
is there any reason why they rarely do radials/radial slims smaller than 55mm? wanna try these out but worried about size, unless if that’s the purpose of the shape?


I had meant to say from the previous catalog they had some Radials in 52, 54 and 56 which was the carry over pic from Summer 21.

They are out there, but who knows how many and all that though.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/holiday-2021/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BoxStuffer on February 10, 2022, 08:22:28 AM
Not a lot of 101a options but most skate 99a. But I got some 101a wheels ordered just to switch shit up. I’ll prob quickly be reminded why I skate 99a.

Has anyone seen the Formula Four Classic 58mm or 60mm recently in 101a?  Shoot, even 56s? 

My preferred wheel is the 58mm in 101a but I can't recall the last time I've seen them anywhere. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 11, 2022, 03:35:49 AM
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Not a lot of 101a options but most skate 99a. But I got some 101a wheels ordered just to switch shit up. I’ll prob quickly be reminded why I skate 99a.
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Has anyone seen the Formula Four Classic 58mm or 60mm recently in 101a?  Shoot, even 56s? 

My preferred wheel is the 58mm in 101a but I can't recall the last time I've seen them anywhere.


The Classic 60mm wheels seem only to be in 99 duro.

There are still some Classic 58mm 101s around, depending on where you are in the world, they might be easy to get or harder to get.

It seems like more of the OG Classics came out than Classics in the bigger sizes, but even I am surprised by what I see from some shop posts with new drops and more random options.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BoxStuffer on February 11, 2022, 07:04:49 AM
Thanks @Mbrimson88

Looks like I might have to just start settling for 99s.   
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 11, 2022, 10:30:51 AM
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is there any reason why they rarely do radials/radial slims smaller than 55mm? wanna try these out but worried about size, unless if that’s the purpose of the shape?
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A couple of online retailers still carry Radial Slims 99a in 52/54mm if you do some digging. But like I mentioned above, probably streamlining the catalog to keep raw materials for the most popular shapes. Most of the recent pro / 1-off wheels have been Classics (Mason Silva, Louie Lopez, Yuto, Burnside).

Radial slims are still super easy to find, just have to buy them online.

I posted a bunch of links many pages back, but start here: https://www.paradeworld.com/skateboards/spitfire-wheels/spitfire-wheels-formula-four-radial-slims/

https://energyskateshop.com/products/spitfire-formula-4-venomous-radial-slim-101a-wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on February 11, 2022, 12:10:23 PM
Ohh, those yinyang radial fulls are tempting. Thought about the Kader’s, but I endorse neither weed nor pro wheels. Also, I waited too long.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on February 12, 2022, 07:02:50 AM
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51877402139_7cac6ddf2d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n3efgV)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2n3efgV) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYRyHpzIPE

Moving in a month and cleaned out the closet where I store my skate stuff. I've accumulated these wheels over the course of 2 years (not including the sets on my two current set ups). Every one still rideable. All these different shapes, sizes, durometer has done a number on me. I don't know who I need to apologize to but I'm sorry.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 12, 2022, 07:26:20 AM
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Moving in a month and cleaned out the closet where I store my skate stuff. I've accumulated these wheels over the course of 2 years (not including the sets on my two current set ups). Every one still rideable. All these different shapes, sizes, durometer has done a number on me. I don't know who I need to apologize to but I'm sorry.


I see a whole lot of good times right there.

Can't say anything as I probably have a few more than that, but it is looking like that second hand wheel collection could get you through any shortcomings with production and manufacturing issues for the foreseeable future.

Are they all around 52 mm or so?  Just guessing.

I have almost all of mine on old broken or cut up shoelaces as it was a lot easier to see what was what when they are in single sets, compared to when I had a few 180 cm laces with lots of wheels on each.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 15, 2022, 12:37:33 PM
For those that have emailed Spitfire before about defective products, how long did it take to get a response? I sent an email yesterday and haven't heard back yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on February 15, 2022, 02:02:50 PM
For those that have emailed Spitfire before about defective products, how long did it take to get a response? I sent an email yesterday and haven't heard back yet.
Can take a few days, depending how busy they are
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 15, 2022, 02:54:23 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYRyHpzIPE

Moving in a month and cleaned out the closet where I store my skate stuff. I've accumulated these wheels over the course of 2 years (not including the sets on my two current set ups). Every one still rideable. All these different shapes, sizes, durometer has done a number on me. I don't know who I need to apologize to but I'm sorry.

Mother Earth? But redemption awaits by using them and/ or passing them on to deserving youngsters.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 20, 2022, 05:09:29 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYRyHpzIPE

Moving in a month and cleaned out the closet where I store my skate stuff. I've accumulated these wheels over the course of 2 years (not including the sets on my two current set ups). Every one still rideable. All these different shapes, sizes, durometer has done a number on me. I don't know who I need to apologize to but I'm sorry.

You should wear it as a necklace, and a sign of power allowing you to rule your tribe.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mr. Stinky on February 20, 2022, 05:34:18 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYRyHpzIPE

Moving in a month and cleaned out the closet where I store my skate stuff. I've accumulated these wheels over the course of 2 years (not including the sets on my two current set ups). Every one still rideable. All these different shapes, sizes, durometer has done a number on me. I don't know who I need to apologize to but I'm sorry.
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You should wear it as a necklace, and a sign of power allowing you to rule your tribe.

Kind of looks like something that would get a person tried in The Hague.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on February 20, 2022, 08:27:24 PM
Whatever happened to the rumor of a 95a F4?  :'(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on February 20, 2022, 08:29:51 PM
Have you tried the 97s? I felt they were so similar to the oj 95s that there wasn’t much difference.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on February 20, 2022, 08:45:27 PM
Have you tried the 97s? I felt they were so similar to the oj 95s that there wasn’t much difference.

Interesting! Was the slide comparable? I was under the impression that the spit 97’s slid way better and the only 95’s were pretty grippy?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on February 21, 2022, 04:28:07 AM
Have you tried the 97s? I felt they were so similar to the oj 95s that there wasn’t much difference.

I've had several sets and they're great but even a slightly grippier 95a would be nice. I dig NFG's 95a formula and all, too. But just would be cool of spitfire had that option as it's a bit easier to get ahold of since distros can ship em to my local.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TastyBurrito on February 22, 2022, 01:21:10 PM
For anyone who missed out on the Kader wheels, it looks like two more sizes of Radial Fulls are coming - 56 & 58mm

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZ4vX1yJKQu/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on February 22, 2022, 02:42:46 PM
Nah, those radial fulls are fucking proper. 95a-97a would be perfection.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: nekro on February 22, 2022, 02:50:15 PM
Nah, those radial fulls are fucking proper. 95a-97a would be perfection.

this ^
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Cowboy on February 22, 2022, 04:07:05 PM
Nah, those radial fulls are fucking proper. 95a-97a would be perfection.

By far the widest wheel I have ever seen come in the shop, great wheels if your looking for an extremely large riding surface
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 22, 2022, 04:28:05 PM
Anyone else unable to get a reply back from Spitfire? I've sent 3 emails and 1 DM so far to them about a set of defective wheels and I haven't received any response yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Plan9Customs on February 22, 2022, 05:51:42 PM
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(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51877402139_7cac6ddf2d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n3efgV)Untitled (https://flic.kr/p/2n3efgV) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/162334525@N08/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYRyHpzIPE

Moving in a month and cleaned out the closet where I store my skate stuff. I've accumulated these wheels over the course of 2 years (not including the sets on my two current set ups). Every one still rideable. All these different shapes, sizes, durometer has done a number on me. I don't know who I need to apologize to but I'm sorry.
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You should wear it as a necklace, and a sign of power allowing you to rule your tribe.
This!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ourladyoftheflowers on February 28, 2022, 05:17:22 PM
Anyone else riding radial fulls having issues with the bearings popping out? Been riding the 60s for a few weeks (they’re amazing) but usually a little bit into the sesh I gotta crank the bearings back in. At first I thought it was axel slip but then saw the bearing was coming out. Also they don’t slide in when I press em I’ve had to crank em with a tool. Can’t tell if it’s just a bum set or if anyone else is having this problem.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on February 28, 2022, 05:24:35 PM
Anyone else riding radial fulls having issues with the bearings popping out? Been riding the 60s for a few weeks (they’re amazing) but usually a little bit into the sesh I gotta crank the bearings back in. At first I thought it was axel slip but then saw the bearing was coming out. Also they don’t slide in when I press em I’ve had to crank em with a tool. Can’t tell if it’s just a bum set or if anyone else is having this problem.

Did you get the ones above from this new drop or the Kader ones from last drop?  I’ve been skating the 57 mm Kader ones for like six weeks and haven’t had any issues. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ourladyoftheflowers on February 28, 2022, 05:30:19 PM
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Anyone else riding radial fulls having issues with the bearings popping out? Been riding the 60s for a few weeks (they’re amazing) but usually a little bit into the sesh I gotta crank the bearings back in. At first I thought it was axel slip but then saw the bearing was coming out. Also they don’t slide in when I press em I’ve had to crank em with a tool. Can’t tell if it’s just a bum set or if anyone else is having this problem.
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Did you get the ones above from this new drop or the Kader ones from last drop?  I’ve been skating the 57 mm Kader ones for like six weeks and haven’t had any issues.

The kader ones, bought em in the winter and had em on ice. Figure they’re prob just a defective set but wanted to check in here before emailing em
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on February 28, 2022, 11:48:14 PM
I've got a question for anyone who has skated F4 97d (especially Conical Fulls).

Did you guys have problems with powersliding easily? I came over from mainly skating really hard 103a Bones STF which are really slick, so obviously it was a shock... but I'm really surprised by how sticky these wheels are.

Are all F4's like this, or is it just a wide 97d thing? If I get 99d will I have a similar slide? How about 101d?

I also talked about it here: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3747972#msg3747972
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on March 01, 2022, 06:29:18 AM
I've got a question for anyone who has skated F4 97d (especially Conical Fulls).

Did you guys have problems with powersliding easily? I came over from mainly skating really hard 103a Bones STF which are really slick, so obviously it was a shock... but I'm really surprised by how sticky these wheels are.

Are all F4's like this, or is it just a wide 97d thing? If I get 99d will I have a similar slide? How about 101d?

I also talked about it here: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3747972#msg3747972

This has been discussed at length so maybe do a search in the thread. The 97A are definitely too sticky for me when it's warm, but they are nice during the winter months. I also really like them in dusty indoor parks or on wooden miniramps. 99A is my sweetspot, good slide but enough grip to skate with confidence.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sundaynuggets on March 01, 2022, 06:57:46 AM
I've got a question for anyone who has skated F4 97d (especially Conical Fulls).

Did you guys have problems with powersliding easily? I came over from mainly skating really hard 103a Bones STF which are really slick, so obviously it was a shock... but I'm really surprised by how sticky these wheels are.

Are all F4's like this, or is it just a wide 97d thing? If I get 99d will I have a similar slide? How about 101d?

I also talked about it here: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3747972#msg3747972

Oddly enough, the 97 conical fulls I have are fairly grippy whereas the 97a classics slide great, both 54 and 56mm. When I skate the 99a, they all slide consistently well for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mariatorresflores on March 01, 2022, 07:31:02 AM
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I've got a question for anyone who has skated F4 97d (especially Conical Fulls).

Did you guys have problems with powersliding easily? I came over from mainly skating really hard 103a Bones STF which are really slick, so obviously it was a shock... but I'm really surprised by how sticky these wheels are.

Are all F4's like this, or is it just a wide 97d thing? If I get 99d will I have a similar slide? How about 101d?

I also talked about it here: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg3747972#msg3747972
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Oddly enough, the 97 conical fulls I have are fairly grippy whereas the 97a classics slide great, both 54 and 56mm. When I skate the 99a, they all slide consistently well for me.

probably because there's less ground contact with classics, less friction.

As far as 97's powersliding I'll point to Shane Heyl's description, "97's mean no Tokyo drifting".
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on March 01, 2022, 10:36:51 AM
Anyone else riding radial fulls having issues with the bearings popping out? Been riding the 60s for a few weeks (they’re amazing) but usually a little bit into the sesh I gotta crank the bearings back in. At first I thought it was axel slip but then saw the bearing was coming out. Also they don’t slide in when I press em I’ve had to crank em with a tool. Can’t tell if it’s just a bum set or if anyone else is having this problem.

I still have a brand new set of 97a 53mm's that have a defective wheel where the bearing won't go in but I was too lazy to email DLX.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 01, 2022, 01:18:55 PM

This has been discussed at length so maybe do a search in the thread. The 97A are definitely too sticky for me when it's warm, but they are nice during the winter months. I also really like them in dusty indoor parks or on wooden miniramps. 99A is my sweetspot, good slide but enough grip to skate with confidence.

Thanks for the reply. I'll keep that in mind. What shape do you ride?

I actually have been searching through threads. Wasn't really finding a solid consensus on 97d. I'm a longtime lurker, and I made an account just to ask again now that they've been out for a while.

I've seen people say "97d slide exactly like F4 99d" which is what worried me about giving 99d a try.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on March 01, 2022, 01:33:27 PM
I just retired some 97a f4 classics. Very nice for skating on shitty ground, and nose/tail slides/blunts on most ledges, especially concrete, work very well. I do notice that on angle iron and rails I tend to have to push harder or wax the ledge more for slides though.

On concrete and asphalt 97s break into slides pretty much just as easily as 99s, and I actually prefer the slide when bombing hills because it feels more controlled and it helps slow you down more.

On smooth skatepark ground or chalky smooth ground, 97s feel a little gummier and grippier, almost like a cruiser wheel compared to its harder counterparts.

Great wheel, but I think 99s are still the perfect overall durometer for me and most people.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 01, 2022, 02:33:15 PM
I just retired some 97a f4 classics. Very nice for skating on shitty ground, and nose/tail slides/blunts on most ledges, especially concrete, work very well. I do notice that on angle iron and rails I tend to have to push harder or wax the ledge more for slides though.

On concrete and asphalt 97s break into slides pretty much just as easily as 99s, and I actually prefer the slide when bombing hills because it feels more controlled and it helps slow you down more.

On smooth skatepark ground or chalky smooth ground, 97s feel a little gummier and grippier, almost like a cruiser wheel compared to its harder counterparts.

Great wheel, but I think 99s are still the perfect overall durometer for me and most people.

Ah, so it seems the shape definitely has a lot to do with people saying whether their 97s can slide.

The analogy would be like how an eraser on a pencil glides across paper... but if you have one of those rectangle erasers and you push it along the broad side, it won't slide.

It seems like when it comes to sliding: Once the wheels are a soft enough, the surface area really starts to matter. Or rather, once the surface area is wide enough, the softness really matters.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on March 01, 2022, 03:45:42 PM
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I just retired some 97a f4 classics. Very nice for skating on shitty ground, and nose/tail slides/blunts on most ledges, especially concrete, work very well. I do notice that on angle iron and rails I tend to have to push harder or wax the ledge more for slides though.

On concrete and asphalt 97s break into slides pretty much just as easily as 99s, and I actually prefer the slide when bombing hills because it feels more controlled and it helps slow you down more.

On smooth skatepark ground or chalky smooth ground, 97s feel a little gummier and grippier, almost like a cruiser wheel compared to its harder counterparts.

Great wheel, but I think 99s are still the perfect overall durometer for me and most people.
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Ah, so it seems the shape definitely has a lot to do with people saying whether their 97s can slide.

The analogy would be like how an eraser on a pencil glides across paper... but if you have one of those rectangle erasers and you push it along the broad side, it won't slide.

It seems like when it comes to sliding: Once the wheels are a soft enough, the surface area really starts to matter. Or rather, once the surface area is wide enough, the softness really matters.

It makes a difference to some degree, but I've had 56mm 97a conical fulls before and everything I said above about the feel and slide applies to the conical fulls too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 01, 2022, 05:18:27 PM
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I just retired some 97a f4 classics. Very nice for skating on shitty ground, and nose/tail slides/blunts on most ledges, especially concrete, work very well. I do notice that on angle iron and rails I tend to have to push harder or wax the ledge more for slides though.

On concrete and asphalt 97s break into slides pretty much just as easily as 99s, and I actually prefer the slide when bombing hills because it feels more controlled and it helps slow you down more.

On smooth skatepark ground or chalky smooth ground, 97s feel a little gummier and grippier, almost like a cruiser wheel compared to its harder counterparts.

Great wheel, but I think 99s are still the perfect overall durometer for me and most people.
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Ah, so it seems the shape definitely has a lot to do with people saying whether their 97s can slide.

The analogy would be like how an eraser on a pencil glides across paper... but if you have one of those rectangle erasers and you push it along the broad side, it won't slide.

It seems like when it comes to sliding: Once the wheels are a soft enough, the surface area really starts to matter. Or rather, once the surface area is wide enough, the softness really matters.
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It makes a difference to some degree, but I've had 56mm 97a conical fulls before and everything I said above about the feel and slide applies to the conical fulls too.

Crazy... We must be skating very different surfaces or something maybe?

I feel like I have to dig my heels and lean so far back to get even an okay power slide on most surfaces.

But again, I'm used to 101 and 103 wheels I guess.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 05:52:50 AM
Anyone else riding radial fulls having issues with the bearings popping out? Been riding the 60s for a few weeks (they’re amazing) but usually a little bit into the sesh I gotta crank the bearings back in. At first I thought it was axel slip but then saw the bearing was coming out. Also they don’t slide in when I press em I’ve had to crank em with a tool. Can’t tell if it’s just a bum set or if anyone else is having this problem.


Is it just one wheel or all of them?


I would have to look back over past posts, maybe in the wheels thread, but I had a conversation about this issue before, which has happened with other brand wheels.

If the bearing seat is a bit wide, or the bearing itself a bit too narrow, the bearings are more likely to move on tricks where the wheels have pressure on an angle, like smith grinds used to always make my back heel wheel have problems where the bearing would move and the wheel would stop rolling completely.

I would just put the board on the side, wheel facing me and push down on it to re seat the bearing on the inside and it was fine until the next time I did something that made it move.

Other people I know had to do this after each run, the push down and then the stand on the wheel on the ground and pull up on the one in the air to reseat both bearings.  This gets old very quickly and pretty much made me not want to skate those wheels again, but when I changed bearings to another set, it stopped the problem, which was weird.

So maybe try a different set of bearings and see, otherwise go back to the shop you got them from and have them check them out.  If it was an online purchase, take a pic or two and send an explanation to them and see.




I still have a brand new set of 97a 53mm's that have a defective wheel where the bearing won't go in but I was too lazy to email DLX.



I actually had something similar just recently.  The bearing seat is crooked so the bearing does not fit into the wheel, which is definitely a warranty issue.

The shop you bought them from should be able to take care of that for you as well.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 03, 2022, 06:24:46 AM
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Anyone else riding radial fulls having issues with the bearings popping out? Been riding the 60s for a few weeks (they’re amazing) but usually a little bit into the sesh I gotta crank the bearings back in. At first I thought it was axel slip but then saw the bearing was coming out. Also they don’t slide in when I press em I’ve had to crank em with a tool. Can’t tell if it’s just a bum set or if anyone else is having this problem.
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Is it just one wheel or all of them?


I would have to look back over past posts, maybe in the wheels thread, but I had a conversation about this issue before, which has happened with other brand wheels.

If the bearing seat is a bit wide, or the bearing itself a bit too narrow, the bearings are more likely to move on tricks where the wheels have pressure on an angle, like smith grinds used to always make my back heel wheel have problems where the bearing would move and the wheel would stop rolling completely.

I would just put the board on the side, wheel facing me and push down on it to re seat the bearing on the inside and it was fine until the next time I did something that made it move.

Other people I know had to do this after each run, the push down and then the stand on the wheel on the ground and pull up on the one in the air to reseat both bearings.  This gets old very quickly and pretty much made me not want to skate those wheels again, but when I changed bearings to another set, it stopped the problem, which was weird.

So maybe try a different set of bearings and see, otherwise go back to the shop you got them from and have them check them out.  If it was an online purchase, take a pic or two and send an explanation to them and see.



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I still have a brand new set of 97a 53mm's that have a defective wheel where the bearing won't go in but I was too lazy to email DLX.
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I actually had something similar just recently.  The bearing seat is crooked so the bearing does not fit into the wheel, which is definitely a warranty issue.

The shop you bought them from should be able to take care of that for you as well.

Having kind of the same problem with some 58mm OG classics. The bearings in my front heel-side wheel keep coming unseated. Initially I thought it was axle slip, but I measured my protruding axles and they are bang-on even.

I tried rotating the wheels but no luck. Going to swap the bearings and see if that does it. Bummed either way because these are pretty new wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 07:04:09 AM

Having kind of the same problem with some 58mm OG classics. The bearings in my front heel-side wheel keep coming unseated. Initially I thought it was axle slip, but I measured my protruding axles and they are bang-on even.

I tried rotating the wheels but no luck. Going to swap the bearings and see if that does it. Bummed either way because these are pretty new wheels.

So just the one specific wheel, or it is happening to one wheel in the front heel position, regardless of which wheel in the set you have on there?

Specific wheel = definitely something funny.

Any wheel in that position = what trick or movement might be causing it?


Either way it is a pain, but I know as silly as it sounds, some roughed up around the outside ring / kind of grubby looking older bearings actually stayed put in my wheels with issues, more so than brand new well lubed bearings (around the wheel bearing seat too to get the bearings in more easily) but at the end of the day, these things are made to fit perfectly so if a bearing is a little smaller, or a wheel bearing seat is a little bigger, things are not going to fit as intended.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrozenIndustries on March 03, 2022, 07:10:02 AM
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Having kind of the same problem with some 58mm OG classics. The bearings in my front heel-side wheel keep coming unseated. Initially I thought it was axle slip, but I measured my protruding axles and they are bang-on even.

I tried rotating the wheels but no luck. Going to swap the bearings and see if that does it. Bummed either way because these are pretty new wheels.
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So just the one specific wheel, or it is happening to one wheel in the front heel position, regardless of which wheel in the set you have on there?

Specific wheel = definitely something funny.

Any wheel in that position = what trick or movement might be causing it?


Either way it is a pain, but I know as silly as it sounds, some roughed up around the outside ring / kind of grubby looking older bearings actually stayed put in my wheels with issues, more so than brand new well lubed bearings (around the wheel bearing seat too to get the bearings in more easily) but at the end of the day, these things are made to fit perfectly so if a bearing is a little smaller, or a wheel bearing seat is a little bigger, things are not going to fit as intended.

Same wheel in a different spot. Ashamed to say I went as far as thinking both axles slipped before I measured and realized it was the wheel. FWIW, I am running year old reds...just a bit surprised because I've never had any QC issues with F4s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 03, 2022, 08:12:07 AM
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Having kind of the same problem with some 58mm OG classics. The bearings in my front heel-side wheel keep coming unseated. Initially I thought it was axle slip, but I measured my protruding axles and they are bang-on even.

I tried rotating the wheels but no luck. Going to swap the bearings and see if that does it. Bummed either way because these are pretty new wheels.
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So just the one specific wheel, or it is happening to one wheel in the front heel position, regardless of which wheel in the set you have on there?

Specific wheel = definitely something funny.

Any wheel in that position = what trick or movement might be causing it?


Either way it is a pain, but I know as silly as it sounds, some roughed up around the outside ring / kind of grubby looking older bearings actually stayed put in my wheels with issues, more so than brand new well lubed bearings (around the wheel bearing seat too to get the bearings in more easily) but at the end of the day, these things are made to fit perfectly so if a bearing is a little smaller, or a wheel bearing seat is a little bigger, things are not going to fit as intended.
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Same wheel in a different spot. Ashamed to say I went as far as thinking both axles slipped before I measured and realized it was the wheel. FWIW, I am running year old reds...just a bit surprised because I've never had any QC issues with F4s.


Spitfires in general have minimal issues, so it is more common to think there would be something else wrong.

This is what everyone keeps saying, but on occasion there will be one wheel (more often just a single wheel than whole sets) that have an issue or something that cannot easily be fixed.

I guess this is that one.


If the bearing seat is still square and not somehow mis-shapen, at least the wheel will still roll ok, but for others like the one wheel in a set I had that just didn't take a bearing at all, it was not even put on a board and went straight back in the shrink wrap to go back and get checked.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on March 03, 2022, 09:06:58 AM
I’m going through some wheel madness. I fell away from god/spitfire really enjoy the bones v5 shape but it just don’t feel the same.

I live in the Midwest so street spots are rough but parks are smooth.  I mostly skate ledges and dabble on transition. Idk which would be more universal ledges/tranny/park/street My shop has: 53m 99a conical fulls( what I think may be the best?)
54m 101a conical fulls ( I know they are harder but  will they still slide good being 101a and may still be good on rough ground?)
56mm 99 classics (maybe wear them down to 54mm and they will feel great?)
 54mm 97a classics (I do a lot of slides so I’m kinda afraid the 97a will stick too much)


I want plain 53/54mm 99a conicals but don’t wanna order them but will.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hedgehog In Da Fog on March 03, 2022, 09:10:50 AM
The bearing-popping out-problem only happened to me when I tried using spacers, because they were wider than the inner race of the wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 03, 2022, 09:31:20 AM
I have some 53 Classics that I retired a while back and recently took them out from a bin. I'm having a similar bearing movement issue in 2 of my wheels. If I land remotely primo or off center the bearings shift and the wheel binds. I did used to use spacers in them and wonder if that somehow caused torque to wear away the bearing seat enough for this to keep happening. On my last set of 52 Classics that I used for a year this never happened once and it's annoying because the 53's have a ton of life left.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on March 03, 2022, 12:01:39 PM
I’m going through some wheel madness. I fell away from god/spitfire really enjoy the bones v5 shape but it just don’t feel the same.

I live in the Midwest so street spots are rough but parks are smooth.  I mostly skate ledges and dabble on transition. Idk which would be more universal ledges/tranny/park/street My shop has: 53m 99a conical fulls( what I think may be the best?)
54m 101a conical fulls ( I know they are harder but  will they still slide good being 101a and may still be good on rough ground?)
56mm 99 classics (maybe wear them down to 54mm and they will feel great?)
 54mm 97a classics (I do a lot of slides so I’m kinda afraid the 97a will stick too much)


I want plain 53/54mm 99a conicals but don’t wanna order them but will.

also in the midwest.  53/54 99a conical FULLS get anything and everything done for me.  sometimes in the winter months I go bigger (55-56) and sometimes in the summer, I go smaller (52)... but 53/54 99a is always perfect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 03, 2022, 12:23:03 PM
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I’m going through some wheel madness. I fell away from god/spitfire really enjoy the bones v5 shape but it just don’t feel the same.

I live in the Midwest so street spots are rough but parks are smooth.  I mostly skate ledges and dabble on transition. Idk which would be more universal ledges/tranny/park/street My shop has: 53m 99a conical fulls( what I think may be the best?)
54m 101a conical fulls ( I know they are harder but  will they still slide good being 101a and may still be good on rough ground?)
56mm 99 classics (maybe wear them down to 54mm and they will feel great?)
 54mm 97a classics (I do a lot of slides so I’m kinda afraid the 97a will stick too much)


I want plain 53/54mm 99a conicals but don’t wanna order them but will.
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also in the midwest.  53/54 99a conicals get anything and everything done for me.  sometimes in the winter months I go bigger (55-56) and sometimes in the summer, I go smaller (52)... but 53/54 99a is always perfect.

I like Art’s answer.
F4 99s are the do it all wheel.
I haven’t had conical’s, I have some conical fulls and I prefer a rounder shape (classics) for flippery, but the cf’s plow over a lot.
F4 101s are not the move imo. They do wear in some and get better, but the initial ride is just kinda brutal.
97s are dope. Slower in parks.

I lived in the Midwest for a few years. Wabash has the best feeling ground.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lukepat on March 06, 2022, 06:56:44 AM
Midwest F4 Wheel riders unite! I’m in Ohio. Rough streets and smooth parks. I have ridden 99A for a few years and have tried 54mm classics and 53mm tablets.. I enjoyed both but they were too small for the Midwest crust. Conical Fulls 56mm have been on the daily whip for 4ish months. They ride over a lot of crust.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on March 06, 2022, 08:59:20 AM
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This has been discussed at length so maybe do a search in the thread. The 97A are definitely too sticky for me when it's warm, but they are nice during the winter months. I also really like them in dusty indoor parks or on wooden miniramps. 99A is my sweetspot, good slide but enough grip to skate with confidence.
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Thanks for the reply. I'll keep that in mind. What shape do you ride?

I actually have been searching through threads. Wasn't really finding a solid consensus on 97d. I'm a longtime lurker, and I made an account just to ask again now that they've been out for a while.

I've seen people say "97d slide exactly like F4 99d" which is what worried me about giving 99d a try.

Mine are Classics, 53 mm. I have no idea how anyone would come to the conclusion that they slide the same as 99A. They are noticeably more sticky I reckon, even Classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on March 07, 2022, 04:51:17 AM
What’s the the difference between OG classics and the regular conicals? Just the conicals have a slightly smaller riding surface? Or are the cut of the corner angles different?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on March 07, 2022, 08:04:11 AM
anyone have some slightly worn down radial fulls?
wondering what the shape looks like with a few mms missing
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on March 07, 2022, 08:33:15 AM
anyone have some slightly worn down radial fulls?
wondering what the shape looks like with a few mms missing

sorry dont have any slightly worn down ones but these were the 58s. theyre down to 54

(https://imgur.com/a/htvZnBX)

https://imgur.com/a/htvZnBX
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Cowboy on March 07, 2022, 10:45:11 AM
What’s the the difference between OG classics and the regular conicals? Just the conicals have a slightly smaller riding surface? Or are the cut of the corner angles different?

The OG Classic Shape is much more of a sharp cut (much less rounded than normal conical or conical full, basically 90 degree for sake of simplicity) and has a slightly wider riding surface, ideal square wheel for me

The F4 OG classic has been my favorite wheel so far because I love square cut wheels for how lock ins on rails feel, and they have great riding surface
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on March 07, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
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What’s the the difference between OG classics and the regular conicals? Just the conicals have a slightly smaller riding surface? Or are the cut of the corner angles different?
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The OG Classic Shape is much more of a sharp cut (much less rounded than normal conical or conical full, basically 90 degree for sake of simplicity) and has a slightly wider riding surface, ideal square wheel for me

The F4 OG classic has been my favorite wheel so far because I love square cut wheels for how lock ins on rails feel, and they have great riding surface

Awesome thank you I appreciate the info!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 12, 2022, 07:24:54 PM

It seems some people have been having issues with the wheels being a bit off, bearing seat or just the wheel itself being slightly oval in shape.

Anything like this is a definite warranty claim, best going back to the shop you got them from first and foremost, but you can contact DLX directly to talk about them.


From the Wheels thread:


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https://i.imgur.com/ou2S27D.jpeg

Recently just bought my first pair of spitfire wheels ever and one wheel is noticably wobbly. I took the bearings off multiple times, mixed them up, bought a bearing press, did it all again multiple times and that's the long story short.

https://imgur.com/a/3vINWLG (here's the imgur video of the wheel spinning. I'm still learning how to make media appear on here.)

I've mostly skated bones stf, and rictas for street/park skating and a some ojs and satoris for cruiser wheels.

I'm pretty bummed on this.

The lower quality of the gif doesn't even do a justice.
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Contact them here and make sure to include where you bought them from and include all relevant media.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/guaranteed/
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Yeah holy shit thanks I had no idea it was like that.

I'm not trashing spitfire, I'm still hyped. It's my first pair and I think spitfire is sick but for real tho. out of all the wheels I've ever skated; Bones, ricta, satori, board brand wheels, haha flip tri cuts was my first "real" wheel, but all that to say I've never had an issue with any other wheel like this. Every other wheel had rolled straight.

And yeah I emailed them, Cameron something got back to me and requested all the required stuff. I provided all the required shit including video and it's been two days and I've heard nothing. I'm honestly getting kinda butt hurt now.

Really hoping to get a replacement set. Hell I even started off asking for just one wheel to get sent to me.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 12, 2022, 11:10:07 PM
Shit, I just ordered some F4 Radial Fulls and for the first time pulled the trigger on some Bones Swiss Six. I'm really afraid to put them in now.

It would be a major bummer to put my brand new bearings in a defective wheel and damage them right away while skating. Especially since I know  that even just removing a bearing from a skate wheel, it damages the bearing. I might have to just put some basic bearings in the wheel for now and save the Swiss for the next wheel I grab.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on March 13, 2022, 12:17:02 AM
Shit, I just ordered some F4 Radial Fulls and for the first time pulled the trigger on some Bones Swiss Six. I'm really afraid to put them in now.

It would be a major bummer to put my brand new bearings in a defective wheel and damage them right away while skating. Especially since I know  that even just removing a bearing from a skate wheel, it damages the bearing. I might have to just put some basic bearings in the wheel for now and save the Swiss for the next wheel I grab.
that chance that your wheels are defective is so low. if you are going to stress about an expensive bearing like that id just stick to good ol reds... doesnt sound fun to me to be worrying like that about a bearing you are going to be putting through massive amounts of stress anyways.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 13, 2022, 03:15:39 AM
that chance that your wheels are defective is so low.


I've just seen a ton of posts on here about defects lately.

if you are going to stress about an expensive bearing like that id just stick to good ol reds... doesnt sound fun to me to be worrying like that about a bearing you are going to be putting through massive amounts of stress anyways.


You right.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 13, 2022, 03:43:41 AM
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that chance that your wheels are defective is so low.
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I've just seen a ton of posts on here about defects lately.

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if you are going to stress about an expensive bearing like that id just stick to good ol reds... doesnt sound fun to me to be worrying like that about a bearing you are going to be putting through massive amounts of stress anyways.
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You right.



What you often read and see on here is maybe a more vocal user base for anything, but what you also don't really hear is how many people have Spitfire wheels with no issues at all.

From all the Spitfire Formula Four wheels I have had and had come through my hands over the years, quite a few hundred at least, I think I have had two sets in total that had issues that were manufacturing defects, so again that is pretty good overall.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ourladyoftheflowers on March 14, 2022, 06:01:53 PM
I hate to say it but after getting an email back from spitfire, I sent photos and description and never heard back about the racer issues with my radial fulls. Bought a pair of 58 og classics and having the same issue, one wheel the bearing is popping out and won’t go back in. Had to use the bearing press at my local shop just to get a session in. Hopefully they get back to me cause I’m 80 bucks in the hole now. Even bought new bearings in case my old ones were fucked and even my new modus don’t fit right.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 14, 2022, 06:40:04 PM
I hate to say it but after getting an email back from spitfire, I sent photos and description and never heard back about the racer issues with my radial fulls. Bought a pair of 58 og classics and having the same issue, one wheel the bearing is popping out and won’t go back in. Had to use the bearing press at my local shop just to get a session in. Hopefully they get back to me cause I’m 80 bucks in the hole now. Even bought new bearings in case my old ones were fucked and even my new modus don’t fit right.

Cameron is usually quick on the replies but I guess they are overwhelmed ATM, sent a request weeks ago but haven't heard back yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on March 15, 2022, 09:18:39 AM
Just found out that you get an optical illusion for a moment when you spin the classics with this graphic

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.RT56-o-7jjjlRHWOnJUTDwHaHa%26pid%3DApi&f=1)

As if the wheel is spinning backwards for some time. Maybe they are tripping like me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 16, 2022, 07:40:40 AM
For anyone who is in need of a Spitfire Wheel Chart that comes in the packaging of the wheels.

I do have a pic of the card with Spitfire Classic Full wheels too, but the sizes are not correct past 53mm, so I added to this one, which I feel is still not quite correct, but closer than what it was before.

Sorry if I didn't credit your pic, but these were spread throughout this and other threads and I only thought about it afterwards.


(https://i.ibb.co/2ZP2mdh/IMAG1854.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJGKBDf)




Here's the one from the Oskis if it helps...
(https://i.ibb.co/NThG9Yf/PXL-20220123-153607760.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJKjy4q)




Charts to compare size (incorrect sizes on the Classic full wheels on the chart, but correct below in text):

(https://i.ibb.co/v4cKzCy/Spitfire-classic-full-specs-1a.jpg)

I had a dig through some boxes and found not only the old Classic Full cards, but also a set of the Spitfire Cardiel Charro wheels, which are actually 54.5 mm and they measure 35 wide with 19 contact (maybe even 19.5 mm contact).

So the sizes are really as follows:


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24



(https://i.ibb.co/XW1Q85R/Spitfire-Radial-chart.jpg)


(https://i.ibb.co/NgvKx3g/Spitfire-Radial-Full-chart1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gf6R7Jf)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 16, 2022, 09:17:32 AM
That's big, thanks!

So it looks like at the moment they are keeping Radial Slims and "OG" Classics, but dumping the Radials in favor of Radial FULLs.

I think that all makes sense.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 16, 2022, 04:32:35 PM
That's big, thanks!

So it looks like at the moment they are keeping Radial Slims and "OG" Classics, but dumping the Radials in favor of Radial FULLs.

I think that all makes sense.


They have made Radials and Radial Full wheels a lot more lately, but they don't appear to have made ANY Radial slims for a while now.

As others will point out, there are still some in shops though, but the numbers are dwindling.

I don't think there have been many Lock Ins for a minute either, but I thought I saw some in a shop drop not too long ago.  Could be easily mistaken though.


It was easier to add all the different backing cards (still two I had seen but cannot find right now) but all the other shapes of wheels have been coming out in fairly normal quantities, besides Radial Slims.

Who knows what takes priority on the backing cards, but I really don't think the wheels shown equates to what is out, mainly they just ran out of room for all the shapes, so had eight max in that space.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cthulhu! on March 17, 2022, 06:55:09 AM
The bearings have started sliding out of my conicals...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 17, 2022, 07:30:20 AM
Nooooooo

My older f4s (pre pandemic) are all still going strong. The ones I’ve bought in the last year have slight wobbles, which is why I thing they are noticeably slower.
I guess I’ll have to stick with some real baked potato looking wheels for a bit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on March 17, 2022, 08:42:19 AM
I just got some regular conicals love them so far. I think they may be pre pandemic because radial full isn’t listed on the card. Some here to hoping I avoid the bearing and other issues
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 17, 2022, 04:48:08 PM
I just got some regular conicals love them so far. I think they may be pre pandemic because radial full isn’t listed on the card. Some here to hoping I avoid the bearing and other issues


I could definitely be wrong, but I thought the only wheels that have Radial Full on the card is the Radial Full wheels.

All others still have the normal Radials in the eight wheel shapes.


Saw some brand new ones which are definitely from the most recent drop (graphic) and they were the usual eight.


Re pre pandemic wheels, I think there were not a whole lot of them left, given they were in such short supply, almost sold out everywhere, even though there would be some shops / places that still had a lot.

I have had at least twenty sets through my hands that I know are post pandemic and only one of those had a single wobbly wheel.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 17, 2022, 04:58:48 PM
How much 'wobble' are people talking about? Spacers and washers helping?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 17, 2022, 05:31:00 PM
How much 'wobble' are people talking about? Spacers and washers helping?


The bearing seat was out, so the wheel didn't actually spin correctly when both bearings were in for the one I had.

It is weird but I know I have seen other wheels that are slightly oval shaped and not round, so when you put them on and spin them very slowly they go ever so slightly in out in out in out less than a mm and you can't actually feel it while you skate but it often makes you think and wonder about them.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on March 17, 2022, 06:54:49 PM
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I just got some regular conicals love them so far. I think they may be pre pandemic because radial full isn’t listed on the card. Some here to hoping I avoid the bearing and other issues
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I could definitely be wrong, but I thought the only wheels that have Radial Full on the card is the Radial Full wheels.

All others still have the normal Radials in the eight wheel shapes.


Saw some brand new ones which are definitely from the most recent drop (graphic) and they were the usual eight.


Re pre pandemic wheels, I think there were not a whole lot of them left, given they were in such short supply, almost sold out everywhere, even though there would be some shops / places that still had a lot.

I have had at least twenty sets through my hands that I know are post pandemic and only one of those had a single wobbly wheel.


Oh I didn’t know only radial fulls was only listen on the radial full cards.
I also forgot there was a wheel shortage when they was selling like hotcakes so now I’m pretty positive mine is pandemic or current earth spitfire run.
So far mine seem fine when I out a bearing in one did go in crooked which is kinda weird thing cause I do it with the bearing on the truck and pushed the wheel over it. But I popped the beating back out and it went in flush little tight of a fit but everything looked good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Tale Crab on March 18, 2022, 06:45:44 PM
I do have a pic of the card with Spitfire Classic Full wheels too, but the sizes are not correct past 53mm, so I added to this one, which I feel is still not quite correct, but closer than what it was before.
The Classic Full Repeater in 54mm is 34mm wide, so the card is accurate on that one.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2022, 10:49:02 PM
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I do have a pic of the card with Spitfire Classic Full wheels too, but the sizes are not correct past 53mm, so I added to this one, which I feel is still not quite correct, but closer than what it was before.
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The Classic Full Repeater in 54mm is 34mm wide, so the card is accurate on that one.

Yes I made a mess of that one.

I really only get the 56 and 58mm Classic Full wheels, which are a lot wider in real life, but were actually less than the Classics on the standard card, with one set of used 54mm Classic Full coming after I did that "fix" which I had been meaning to correct but hadn't gotten around to it.


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I had a dig through some boxes and found not only the old Classic Full cards, but also a set of the Spitfire Cardiel Charro wheels (from 2015), which are actually 54.5 mm and they measure 35 wide with 19 contact (maybe even 19.5 mm contact).

So the sizes are really as follows:


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


(https://www.dlxsf.com/fall15/img/fall15/sf/04-CARDIEL-CHARRO-FT-800.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on March 19, 2022, 08:19:20 AM
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I do have a pic of the card with Spitfire Classic Full wheels too, but the sizes are not correct past 53mm, so I added to this one, which I feel is still not quite correct, but closer than what it was before.
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The Classic Full Repeater in 54mm is 34mm wide, so the card is accurate on that one.
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Yes I made a mess of that one.

I really only get the 56 and 58mm Classic Full wheels, which are a lot wider in real life, but were actually less than the Classics on the standard card, with one set of used 54mm Classic Full coming after I did that "fix" which I had been meaning to correct but hadn't gotten around to it.


* Edit

I had a dig through some boxes and found not only the old Classic Full cards, but also a set of the Spitfire Cardiel Charro wheels (from 2015), which are actually 54.5 mm and they measure 35 wide with 19 contact (maybe even 19.5 mm contact).

So the sizes are really as follows:


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


(https://www.dlxsf.com/fall15/img/fall15/sf/04-CARDIEL-CHARRO-FT-800.jpg)

damn, got my hopes up for a sec that these were in a new drop
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 19, 2022, 06:39:44 PM

damn, got my hopes up for a sec that these were in a new drop


It is a funny one.

They are a good sized wheel, but with that Cardiel graphic, I keep thinking I can skate other wheels and hold on to these.

Usually the first thing I do is take the graphic off anyway, as I just want the wheels for how they perform.

Right now the Spitfire Repeaters which are Classic Full come in 52 and 54 mm in natural, 53 mm in black, with quite a few still around if you wanted that size wheel.


(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/spitfire-skateboard-wheels-f4-classic-54mm-repeaters-99a.png)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on March 20, 2022, 01:40:15 AM
Since the repeaters came up again, I thought some of you might like a flashback. 60mm power cored (97DU outer, 100DU inner) Spitfires from around 2000.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 20, 2022, 06:09:46 AM
Since the repeaters came up again, I thought some of you might like a flashback. 60mm power cored (97DU outer, 100DU inner) Spitfires from around 2000.


That's so good!

I still have some other Power Cored wheels but none like that.

The old 95 and 97 duro wheels were really good for a lot of things back then.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on March 20, 2022, 08:15:37 AM
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damn, got my hopes up for a sec that these were in a new drop
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It is a funny one.

They are a good sized wheel, but with that Cardiel graphic, I keep thinking I can skate other wheels and hold on to these.

Usually the first thing I do is take the graphic off anyway, as I just want the wheels for how they perform.

Right now the Spitfire Repeaters which are Classic Full come in 52 and 54 mm in natural, 53 mm in black, with quite a few still around if you wanted that size wheel.


(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/spitfire-skateboard-wheels-f4-classic-54mm-repeaters-99a.png)

Been skating the 52 mm Repeaters and just bought a set of 54 mm ones in a sale. Figured if I wear them down to 50-52 mm I’ll have my perfect wheel since small Radials don’t seem to make it into the catalogue (last year’s colored wheels are not an option).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on March 20, 2022, 10:17:33 AM
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damn, got my hopes up for a sec that these were in a new drop
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It is a funny one.

They are a good sized wheel, but with that Cardiel graphic, I keep thinking I can skate other wheels and hold on to these.

Usually the first thing I do is take the graphic off anyway, as I just want the wheels for how they perform.

Right now the Spitfire Repeaters which are Classic Full come in 52 and 54 mm in natural, 53 mm in black, with quite a few still around if you wanted that size wheel.

What’s your process for taking the graphics off? Sorry if it’s been posted already
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Post by: Frank and Fred on March 20, 2022, 10:24:06 AM


What’s your process for taking the graphics off? Sorry if it’s been posted already

-Put two bearings in each wheel
-Mount to trucks, graphics facing in
-find curb or coping
-skate for an hour or two
-graphics will be gone (mostly)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 20, 2022, 05:08:11 PM
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What’s your process for taking the graphics off? Sorry if it’s been posted already
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-Put two bearings in each wheel
-Mount to trucks, graphics facing in
-find curb or coping
-skate for an hour or two
-graphics will be gone (mostly)


Ha yeah that usually works.


I know some people use a razor blade and scrape them off too, which is usually not too painful, but gets the paint off fairly well.

The two other options I usually go with are as follows:

1. The natural / nothing else needed way - graphics out and on medium grade concrete hold the board on an angle so the wheels are all that is on the ground and move the board back left and right but pull towards you a bit, which drags the face of the wheels in such a way that it takes the graphic straight off - best on Classic and Classic Full wheels more than anything that has the graphic sitting inside the line, such as Conical Full or OG Classics.

2. The angle grinder - graphics out, wheels on board and just run the grinder lightly on the surface of the wheel, which will take as much of the graphic straight off with minimal fuss, but can also wear in bearings nicely too, or really get the lube right in old bearings well if you have just cleaned them.


This post, last couple of pics from angle grinding - should be able to view on here even with out an instagram account:


https://www.instagram.com/p/CPCM8wil6Ny/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on March 20, 2022, 06:58:42 PM

What’s your process for taking the graphics off? Sorry if it’s been posted already

not op but i just sanded them off of my f4 og classics with a grip scrap. tried nail polish remover but it did nothing. the urethane might be stained a little bit from the graphic, hard to tell though as i had 55s so it was yellow.

@mbrimson88 did a bit of a cleaner job though. looks so clean.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 20, 2022, 10:59:44 PM
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What’s your process for taking the graphics off? Sorry if it’s been posted already
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not op but i just sanded them off of my f4 og classics with a grip scrap. tried nail polish remover but it did nothing. the urethane might be stained a little bit from the graphic, hard to tell though as i had 55s so it was yellow.

@Mbrimson88 did a bit of a cleaner job though. looks so clean.


Now I am used to it, the little Ryobi angle grinder is so handy for lots of things, but I know a lot of people look at me in horror when I get it out to "fix their board" be it to reshape, round off or take graphics off the wheels, rounding down the kingpins or cutting busted nuts off, or even tidying up really chipped edges or ends of decks, or cutting wheel wells in boards too.  It has so many good uses.

For anyone wanting to try it, go for some old parts first just to get used to it, as I know some people have thought it looked easy and then messed up stuff quite quickly by doing it wrong.

The disc should spin beside the wheel, so when it touches, the wheel will also spin with it.

For other things, go easy and don't apply too much pressure.  The heat can cook and melt bushings when cutting kingpins or kingpin nuts or you can burn right into decks and start a fire if you are not careful.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ourladyoftheflowers on March 21, 2022, 02:58:17 AM
Wanted to give an update. Once the bearing were set in my og classics correctly they haven’t come out of the seat. Also spitfire got back to me and are sending another set of kaders. Will not be skating the replacement wheels till these wear out but I’m hoping there won’t be any issues. Spitfires still the best wheels I’ve ever skated
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: unregisteredhypercam2 on March 21, 2022, 05:25:37 AM
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What’s your process for taking the graphics off? Sorry if it’s been posted already
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not op but i just sanded them off of my f4 og classics with a grip scrap. tried nail polish remover but it did nothing. the urethane might be stained a little bit from the graphic, hard to tell though as i had 55s so it was yellow.

@Mbrimson88 did a bit of a cleaner job though. looks so clean.
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Now I am used to it, the little Ryobi angle grinder is so handy for lots of things, but I know a lot of people look at me in horror when I get it out to "fix their board" be it to reshape, round off or take graphics off the wheels, rounding down the kingpins or cutting busted nuts off, or even tidying up really chipped edges or ends of decks, or cutting wheel wells in boards too.  It has so many good uses.

For anyone wanting to try it, go for some old parts first just to get used to it, as I know some people have thought it looked easy and then messed up stuff quite quickly by doing it wrong.

The disc should spin beside the wheel, so when it touches, the wheel will also spin with it.

For other things, go easy and don't apply too much pressure.  The heat can cook and melt bushings when cutting kingpins or kingpin nuts or you can burn right into decks and start a fire if you are not careful.

wouldnt be simpler for anyone who doesnt need to own this tool to use something like acetone to wipe the graphic off
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Solex on March 21, 2022, 06:41:08 AM
wouldnt be simpler for anyone who doesnt need to own this tool to use something like acetone to wipe the graphic off
Always be careful with acetone + plastic'ish stuffs. Sometimes it's OK, often...it's not.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on March 21, 2022, 07:44:49 AM
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wouldnt be simpler for anyone who doesnt need to own this tool to use something like acetone to wipe the graphic off
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Always be careful with acetone + plastic'ish stuffs. Sometimes it's OK, often...it's not.

Alcohol (IPA) + scrubbing sponge removes wheel graphics safely. Takes some scrubbing but works. Cannot have graphics facing outward so I need to apply this treatment to Classics that have label prints on the otherwise blank side.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Solex on March 21, 2022, 08:33:35 AM
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wouldnt be simpler for anyone who doesnt need to own this tool to use something like acetone to wipe the graphic off
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Always be careful with acetone + plastic'ish stuffs. Sometimes it's OK, often...it's not.
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Alcohol (IPA) + scrubbing sponge removes wheel graphics safely. Takes some scrubbing but works. Cannot have graphics facing outward so I need to apply this treatment to Classics that have label prints on the otherwise blank side.
Yeah, and I think scrubbing sponge alone should work about as well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: unregisteredhypercam2 on March 21, 2022, 10:14:39 AM
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wouldnt be simpler for anyone who doesnt need to own this tool to use something like acetone to wipe the graphic off
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Always be careful with acetone + plastic'ish stuffs. Sometimes it's OK, often...it's not.
i was thinking more along the lines of nail polish remover with a cotton ball which isnt just straight acetone
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on March 21, 2022, 11:07:32 AM
If you like spitfires but hate wheel graphics, buy NFG's you can just scrape the minimal graphic off with your finger nail ;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on March 21, 2022, 11:58:39 AM
If you like spitfires but hate wheel graphics, buy NFG's you can just scrape the minimal graphic off with your finger nail ;)

Or wait like two sessions
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on March 21, 2022, 01:33:16 PM
I dig wheel graphics. I rotate them to slow down the coning and don't hate it when in a graphics out phase. I got a set of the Burnside wheels that'll probably stay up as a wallhanger
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CullTheKarens on March 21, 2022, 02:46:17 PM
A nicely graphic'd wheel is the tits.

Just bought a set of wheels with sick graphics just to put on the shelf and look at.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 21, 2022, 03:54:56 PM
A nicely graphic'd wheel is the tits.

Just bought a set of wheels with sick graphics just to put on the shelf and look at.


I feel like almost too many sets of wheels have ended up in that category over the years.

Bought the right size, shape, etc but with specific graphics, some ended up in places to look at and never actually set up.

Then bought more in the generic graphic options, so I don't need to skate these ones at all.


Funny how that happens.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 21, 2022, 05:05:00 PM
A nicely graphic'd wheel is the tits.

Just bought a set of wheels with sick graphics just to put on the shelf and look at.

I liked when Spitfire did 3 wheels of 1 color and 1 wheel of a different one, looks really rad when filming.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 21, 2022, 05:51:23 PM
I'm riding some Radial Fulls for the first time. Definitely the biggest wheel I've ever skated. Still getting used to the whole setup, so I can't really speak to the wheels in particular yet.

I'm realizing that even though I initially wasn't a huge fan of the 97a I was riding, it's hard to go back up to 99a with this Midwest crust. Brutal out here.

It will be hard to determine what is Conical Full vs. Radial Full and what is 97a vs. 99a. Especially with the Conical Fulls having started at 54 and are now 50-52, while the Radial Fulls are 56. However, no complaints yet except for my brand new Aces are very squirrelly, so all 4 of my wheels have wheelbit already on my first session.

Once I wear the trucks in, I'll tighten them up a bit and report back on the wheels.

Anyone have any strong opinions on wheel shape? Conical vs. radial vs. straight edge vs. classic?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: CannerSpaghetti on March 21, 2022, 10:12:46 PM
I'm riding some Radial Fulls for the first time. Definitely the biggest wheel I've ever skated. Still getting used to the whole setup, so I can't really speak to the wheels in particular yet.

I'm realizing that even though I initially wasn't a huge fan of the 97a I was riding, it's hard to go back up to 99a with this Midwest crust. Brutal out here.

It will be hard to determine what is Conical Full vs. Radial Full and what is 97a vs. 99a. Especially with the Conical Fulls having started at 54 and are now 50-52, while the Radial Fulls are 56. However, no complaints yet except for my brand new Aces are very squirrelly, so all 4 of my wheels have wheelbit already on my first session.

Once I wear the trucks in, I'll tighten them up a bit and report back on the wheels.

Anyone have any strong opinions on wheel shape? Conical vs. radial vs. straight edge vs. classic?

Radial is the perfect blend of all wheel shapes. And as a broke lad right now I appreciate that they get more square as they wear down to help with lock. 56mm or larger classics also kind of act like radials for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 21, 2022, 10:32:54 PM
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I'm riding some Radial Fulls for the first time. Definitely the biggest wheel I've ever skated. Still getting used to the whole setup, so I can't really speak to the wheels in particular yet.

I'm realizing that even though I initially wasn't a huge fan of the 97a I was riding, it's hard to go back up to 99a with this Midwest crust. Brutal out here.

It will be hard to determine what is Conical Full vs. Radial Full and what is 97a vs. 99a. Especially with the Conical Fulls having started at 54 and are now 50-52, while the Radial Fulls are 56. However, no complaints yet except for my brand new Aces are very squirrelly, so all 4 of my wheels have wheelbit already on my first session.

Once I wear the trucks in, I'll tighten them up a bit and report back on the wheels.

Anyone have any strong opinions on wheel shape? Conical vs. radial vs. straight edge vs. classic?
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Radial is the perfect blend of all wheel shapes. And as a broke lad right now I appreciate that they get more square as they wear down to help with lock. 56mm or larger classics also kind of act like radials for me.

I got some big radials and now I’m wondering how long till I can wear down 3 mm. Fuck these things make me tired just looking at them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 22, 2022, 04:52:21 AM
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I'm riding some Radial Fulls for the first time. Definitely the biggest wheel I've ever skated. Still getting used to the whole setup, so I can't really speak to the wheels in particular yet.

I'm realizing that even though I initially wasn't a huge fan of the 97a I was riding, it's hard to go back up to 99a with this Midwest crust. Brutal out here.

It will be hard to determine what is Conical Full vs. Radial Full and what is 97a vs. 99a. Especially with the Conical Fulls having started at 54 and are now 50-52, while the Radial Fulls are 56. However, no complaints yet except for my brand new Aces are very squirrelly, so all 4 of my wheels have wheelbit already on my first session.

Once I wear the trucks in, I'll tighten them up a bit and report back on the wheels.

Anyone have any strong opinions on wheel shape? Conical vs. radial vs. straight edge vs. classic?
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Radial is the perfect blend of all wheel shapes. And as a broke lad right now I appreciate that they get more square as they wear down to help with lock. 56mm or larger classics also kind of act like radials for me.


I definitely enjoy the Classic wheels in larger sizes once they wear down a few mm, as you said 56 down to between 54 to 52 mm is about perfect I think, but I do like wider wheels in general with roundish edges.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on March 22, 2022, 05:47:18 AM
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I'm riding some Radial Fulls for the first time. Definitely the biggest wheel I've ever skated. Still getting used to the whole setup, so I can't really speak to the wheels in particular yet.

I'm realizing that even though I initially wasn't a huge fan of the 97a I was riding, it's hard to go back up to 99a with this Midwest crust. Brutal out here.

It will be hard to determine what is Conical Full vs. Radial Full and what is 97a vs. 99a. Especially with the Conical Fulls having started at 54 and are now 50-52, while the Radial Fulls are 56. However, no complaints yet except for my brand new Aces are very squirrelly, so all 4 of my wheels have wheelbit already on my first session.

Once I wear the trucks in, I'll tighten them up a bit and report back on the wheels.

Anyone have any strong opinions on wheel shape? Conical vs. radial vs. straight edge vs. classic?
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Radial is the perfect blend of all wheel shapes. And as a broke lad right now I appreciate that they get more square as they wear down to help with lock. 56mm or larger classics also kind of act like radials for me.
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I definitely enjoy the Classic wheels in larger sizes once they wear down a few mm, as you said 56 down to between 54 to 52 mm is about perfect I think, but I do like wider wheels in general with roundish edges.

My sweetspot for wheel size is too small for this. I want my wheels to be 51 - 53 mm. So wearing them down from 56 mm will take longer than I can actually ride them at my preferred size. Just ditched a set of 52 mm Classics that were down to just under 50 mm in no time. Put on 52 mm Classic Fulls that I don't expect to last for much longer. So I will try 54 mm next to get a bit more out of one set. I used to be more comfy on broken in setups but since last year's setup deep dive I have started to appreciate fresh setups. Shit is getting expensive.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PolarJames on March 22, 2022, 09:55:06 AM
I've currently got Spitfire formula 4 conical full 99a. I was wondering for my next set of wheels are the 101a significantly slidier? Thanks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on March 22, 2022, 10:37:33 AM
Turns out the 52mm (second hand 54mm) conical fulls I been riding are 101s and not 99s like I thought. They’ve been perfect on the big mini at the indoor, way faster than 97a with predictable slides. Maybe it’s a fluke set that happen to grip more than the an average 101 but they can mash without ice skating
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 22, 2022, 03:43:09 PM

The weirdest thing to me is that the Formula Four 101s can sometimes be more slick with some sets and sometimes be more grippy with other sets than the standard 99s, which seem to always have the same feeling from set to set, regardless of size, shape and how old they are - all factors which definitely make a difference with other wheels I have owned over the years.

Other people have said this too.


If anything, it might be that once you get into a slide, the 101s can sometimes slide further and longer than the 99s, but the most recent set I got from someone just didn't want to slide much at all, so they ended up on the "slippery surface board" and had more grip than the new 97s I had just put on.

Either way, they are great wheels and I am not about to change any time soon, but I prefer the 99s over the 101s and have had the 97s for rough ground or when a bit of extra grip is needed.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 22, 2022, 03:59:03 PM
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I'm riding some Radial Fulls for the first time. Definitely the biggest wheel I've ever skated. Still getting used to the whole setup, so I can't really speak to the wheels in particular yet.

I'm realizing that even though I initially wasn't a huge fan of the 97a I was riding, it's hard to go back up to 99a with this Midwest crust. Brutal out here.

It will be hard to determine what is Conical Full vs. Radial Full and what is 97a vs. 99a. Especially with the Conical Fulls having started at 54 and are now 50-52, while the Radial Fulls are 56. However, no complaints yet except for my brand new Aces are very squirrelly, so all 4 of my wheels have wheelbit already on my first session.

Once I wear the trucks in, I'll tighten them up a bit and report back on the wheels.

Anyone have any strong opinions on wheel shape? Conical vs. radial vs. straight edge vs. classic?
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Radial is the perfect blend of all wheel shapes. And as a broke lad right now I appreciate that they get more square as they wear down to help with lock. 56mm or larger classics also kind of act like radials for me.
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I definitely enjoy the Classic wheels in larger sizes once they wear down a few mm, as you said 56 down to between 54 to 52 mm is about perfect I think, but I do like wider wheels in general with roundish edges.
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My sweetspot for wheel size is too small for this. I want my wheels to be 51 - 53 mm. So wearing them down from 56 mm will take longer than I can actually ride them at my preferred size. Just ditched a set of 52 mm Classics that were down to just under 50 mm in no time. Put on 52 mm Classic Fulls that I don't expect to last for much longer. So I will try 54 mm next to get a bit more out of one set. I used to be more comfy on broken in setups but since last year's setup deep dive I have started to appreciate fresh setups. Shit is getting expensive.


I have some friends who skate bigger wheels and then offer a trade back when they are smaller so that helps.

Besides that, I had a couple of boards, much the same only one had bigger wheels (from new for go fast and bigger stuff) and the other had the same wheel only worn down smaller (more for tech stuff) so that worked fairly well.

Remembering when I was growing up with not much cash or skate product and having one board and hating the first month or more with new wheels that I could never do much tech stuff on but they would last ages and then by the time they were almost done, they were so small and so easy to do more tech stuff, then new wheels again and the cycle continued.

I guess it is finding the balance there for wheel size and making the most of what you have, which for me includes finding anything on sale and buying more to stock up to get me through.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 22, 2022, 07:04:29 PM
It's worth pointing out to you guys that wider wheels wear down more slowly. Classics are going to wear down a lot quicker than Radial/Conical Fulls. Also, softer wheels wear down quicker as well.

If I were you guys I would either grab some wide 101a F4s or some wide 103a STF Bones V4 (Radial) or V6 (Conical).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 22, 2022, 08:13:53 PM
Classic Fulls are a worn 54/56 (for 52mm/54mm respectively) from the get go if you want to skip that process
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 23, 2022, 12:16:29 PM
Classic Fulls are a worn 54/56 (for 52mm/54mm respectively) from the get go if you want to skip that process

Yeah that is true. I measured my old 54 classics with some new 52 classic fulls. They are almost identical. Riding surface on the classic fulls is just 1 mm wider.

I've been looking at the OG classics in 53mm for these crusty East Berlin streets here. What is different about them compared to classics? I mean from a riding point. Will I lose my remaining 10 flips because of a wider wheel? I had Radial slims a long time ago and those were nice. I am just not sure if wider or narrower wheels are better for tailslides for example.

Thanks in advance pals and keep that PMA.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 23, 2022, 12:27:05 PM
Classic Fulls are very wide. Basically Conical Full with a rounder edge.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Damoforce on March 23, 2022, 04:27:40 PM
Has anyone tried the lil smokes? 50-51mm? They look like a different compond to say the F4s?

Am I right in saying that?

I would love a 51mm f4 Tablet
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on March 23, 2022, 04:56:59 PM
Has anyone tried the lil smokes? 50-51mm? They look like a different compond to say the F4s?

Am I right in saying that?

I would love a 51mm f4 Tablet

IIRC someone on here said something like Lil Smokies could be wheels that didn’t pass QC, are shaped into a smaller, usable size/ shape then given a minimal graphic to maintain a lower price point.

I think I read that on here but I’m halfway through my post-work joint and I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on March 23, 2022, 05:00:38 PM
Has anyone tried the lil smokes? 50-51mm? They look like a different compond to say the F4s?

Am I right in saying that?

I would love a 51mm f4 Tablet
They are f4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ronnie Rodriguez on March 23, 2022, 05:26:45 PM
They're indeed F4. Had a pair of standard 99 51mm tablets and a set of lil smokie 99 51mm tablets. They skated exactly the same and were probably the best small wheels I've ever ran.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Damoforce on March 23, 2022, 05:59:58 PM
They're indeed F4. Had a pair of standard 99 51mm tablets and a set of lil smokie 99 51mm tablets. They skated exactly the same and were probably the best small wheels I've ever ran.

Cheers, good to know. Interesting theory about the post a couple above about being rejects that have been shaved down.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on March 23, 2022, 06:45:14 PM
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Has anyone tried the lil smokes? 50-51mm? They look like a different compond to say the F4s?

Am I right in saying that?

I would love a 51mm f4 Tablet
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IIRC someone on here said something like Lil Smokies could be wheels that didn’t pass QC, are shaped into a smaller, usable size/ shape then given a minimal graphic to maintain a lower price point.

I think I read that on here but I’m halfway through my post-work joint and I could be wrong.

I said that, not 100000% certain but source is reliable.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on March 23, 2022, 10:32:43 PM
They're indeed F4. Had a pair of standard 99 51mm tablets and a set of lil smokie 99 51mm tablets. They skated exactly the same and were probably the best small wheels I've ever ran.

kinda funny reading this earlier, then finding these at the shop right after.
(https://i.imgur.com/wOP3mCB.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cthunderw on March 23, 2022, 10:49:03 PM
Had my first session on the Radial Full 56mm and these things absolutely GO. I’m usually on a 54mm when on 8.25 and 52mm on 8, but I threw these beasts on my 8.25 and I kinda love it. They’re definitely heavy but they still seem to get off the ground just fine, I felt like I had to really muscle my pop but then it paid off.

I think these will perhaps go on my Couch with some wide and light Thunders, that sounds nice to me right now. I want to experiment with them on trucks that are more narrow than the deck, it seems like they might turn better. Maybe like an 8.5 with 144s and an extra inner washer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: l1ll1ll1 on March 24, 2022, 01:55:01 PM
Had my first session on the Radial Full 56mm and these things absolutely GO. I’m usually on a 54mm when on 8.25 and 52mm on 8, but I threw these beasts on my 8.25 and I kinda love it. They’re definitely heavy but they still seem to get off the ground just fine, I felt like I had to really muscle my pop but then it paid off.

I think these will perhaps go on my Couch with some wide and light Thunders, that sounds nice to me right now. I want to experiment with them on trucks that are more narrow than the deck, it seems like they might turn better. Maybe like an 8.5 with 144s and an extra inner washer.

56 and bigger are just the best. Riding 57 Oski Radials. Waiting for my next deck to setup the 60 Kader Radial Fulls with Risers, event though they might be too extreme...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 24, 2022, 05:42:16 PM
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Had my first session on the Radial Full 56mm and these things absolutely GO. I’m usually on a 54mm when on 8.25 and 52mm on 8, but I threw these beasts on my 8.25 and I kinda love it. They’re definitely heavy but they still seem to get off the ground just fine, I felt like I had to really muscle my pop but then it paid off.

I think these will perhaps go on my Couch with some wide and light Thunders, that sounds nice to me right now. I want to experiment with them on trucks that are more narrow than the deck, it seems like they might turn better. Maybe like an 8.5 with 144s and an extra inner washer.
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56 and bigger are just the best. Riding 57 Oski Radials. Waiting for my next deck to setup the 60 Kader Radial Fulls with Risers, event though they might be too extreme...

I haven't really gotten to skate them much, but I'm liking my 56 Radial Fulls as well. I just feel so much more confident on them. You don't have to be afraid of random little bullshit ruining your day.

I'm still not sure if I like Radial Fulls or Conical Fulls more yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 27, 2022, 11:33:29 AM
First 30 minute cruise through my neighborhood with some new 53mm OG classics.

I was on 54mm classics half my life and man these 53mm OG's handle the crust here so much better. They have the same width as my old classics but just more square edges and a wider riding surface. Might throw a second washer on the insides of my 144s to push the wheels a bit more out (I ride 8.25 decks). I need a while to get used to the different feeling and maybe readjust my ollies a bit.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 27, 2022, 06:32:34 PM
First 30 minute cruise through my neighborhood with some new 53mm OG classics.

I was on 54mm classics half my life and man these 53mm OG's handle the crust here so much better. They have the same width as my old classics but just more square edges and a wider riding surface. Might throw a second washer on the insides of my 144s to push the wheels a bit more out (I ride 8.25 decks). I need a while to get used to the different feeling and maybe readjust my ollies a bit.


It was funny how narrow they looked to me when I first got some in 55, 58 and 60 mm sizes (only a mm or two thinner than others like Classics or Conical Full wheels for the same diameter really) but as you said, the contact area is about the same as Conical Full right from new, so they start with that wide profile and have maybe shaved a bit of the overall width and cut weight down too, which I can see are both a plus for people who like them.

They definitely skated well for me too, when I did have a roll on some, from the boards of people who bought them, that is.

I haven't seen any worn down yet, but I know from well used Conical Full wheels, the edge becomes a bit more sharp and can chip off more easily, which is why I often round them off a bit with the grinder when I get some back from people who have upgraded to new ones.

There is definitely a place for them in the current lineup, along with Classics and others that are well liked.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 28, 2022, 10:00:31 AM
Does anyone ride tablets? I don't think I've seen a pair in the wild. Can anyone speak to their benefits?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 28, 2022, 11:23:41 AM
Does anyone ride tablets? I don't think I've seen a pair in the wild. Can anyone speak to their benefits?

What I've heard is, they feel like a thin light wheel (Classic) but with a wider riding surface for handling rougher terrain. Don't wear down as quickly. All those benefits of a wider riding surface. It's like a tech/flip wheel with more ride patch.

They lock in super well, but drag with a ton of friction once they lock in.

I've heard people say they are amazing at first, but once they wear down and lose their shape, they start to become noticably worse, and don't slide as well.

This is only what I've heard. Hope it helps.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on March 28, 2022, 11:32:59 AM
Does anyone ride tablets? I don't think I've seen a pair in the wild. Can anyone speak to their benefits?

I've seen a few and have been riding the 53mm 99a ones for a long time. Amazing lock in, great for tech moves. A skinny light wheel that can handle a bit of crust due to the wide riding surface. I'd definitely get them again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 28, 2022, 11:37:56 AM
I've had 54s and 55s. I liked them both and didn't really notice a drag on grinds but I can see that being a potential issue due to the sidewall. 55s are really close to the OG Classic 55s. But the OG classics have a more cutaway shape to eliminate the drag. So in the bigger sizes it might be worth looking at OG Classics for the same benefits without the potential grind drag...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on March 28, 2022, 11:38:54 AM
I'm not the biggest fan of tablets.

Look weird, sidewall drag when locking in, and the lack of taper makes scooping tricks/breaking into slides a little trickier. Also easier to get caught in cracks when rolling parallel to them vs say a classic.

Radials slims had a similar slim profile, locked in pretty much just as well, but had some taper and didn't have a completely flat sidewall. Felt pretty much better in every way to me unless you absolutely need maximum contact patch no matter what.
Wish they made that shape again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JugeL on March 28, 2022, 12:25:44 PM
Does anyone ride tablets? I don't think I've seen a pair in the wild. Can anyone speak to their benefits?
Skated couple sets (52 & 54mm)

To me they are classics that lock better. Prefer classics though but mostly because thats the shape i've run with most.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 28, 2022, 10:23:59 PM
Radials slims had a similar slim profile, locked in pretty much just as well, but had some taper and didn't have a completely flat sidewall. Felt pretty much better in every way to me unless you absolutely need maximum contact patch no matter what.
Wish they made that shape again.


Radial Slims > Tablets

Tablets are (I think) Spitfire's skinniest wheel, good choice if you're not a fan of their chunkier wheels versus Bones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 29, 2022, 07:19:48 AM
I’ve also had and not really liked Tablets. They have a wider riding surface than Classics, close to Conical width I think. The comparison to Radial Slims has already been made, but I’d rather ride Conicals over them as well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Cowboy on March 29, 2022, 10:42:17 AM
I’ve also had and not really liked Tablets. They have a wider riding surface than Classics, close to Conical width I think. The comparison to Radial Slims has already been made, but I’d rather ride Conicals over them as well.

The Tablets are a slimmer wheel due to them being fully flat on the sides of the wheels; giving them a squared out look. Conicals are wider than tablets, Conical fulls are wider than both of the previous wheels.

(52mm):
Tablets: Width-29, Riding Surface-20
Conical: Width-31.5, Riding Surface-19.5
Conical Full: Width-32.5, Riding Surface-21

Personally I prefer wider riding surface so i'll be on the F4 OG classics or the F4 Conical Full, the tablets didn't seem appealing to me with the flat sides, but I definitely see the appeal for other people.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 29, 2022, 10:57:06 AM
I appreciate the last few posts on this. I’m still looking for the ultimate 52.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Cowboy on March 29, 2022, 11:08:23 AM
I appreciate the last few posts on this. I’m still looking for the ultimate 52.

Spitfire is continuing to pump out new shapes for the F4 so ive got a feeling your perfect wheel will come down the pipeline soon or you just haventquite found it yet haha

My ultimate 52 was when I saw OG Classic shape come out in Formula Four a year or 2 ago.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 29, 2022, 11:12:42 AM
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I appreciate the last few posts on this. I’m still looking for the ultimate 52.
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Spitfire is continuing to pump out new shapes for the F4 so ive got a feeling your perfect wheel will come down the pipeline soon or you just haventquite found it yet haha

My ultimate 52 was when I saw OG Classic shape come out in Formula Four a year or 2 ago.

Haven’t skated those yet. I like the flip with classics a lot. I got 52 conical fulls, but they are 101s, and are not ideal for the terroir. Tbh the og classics kinda confused me, as they seemed a little too close to the conical fulls…? What the key difference/advantage?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on March 29, 2022, 11:12:58 AM
I'm not the biggest fan of tablets.

Look weird, sidewall drag when locking in, and the lack of taper makes scooping tricks/breaking into slides a little trickier. Also easier to get caught in cracks when rolling parallel to them vs say a classic.

Radials slims had a similar slim profile, locked in pretty much just as well, but had some taper and didn't have a completely flat sidewall. Felt pretty much better in every way to me unless you absolutely need maximum contact patch no matter what.
Wish they made that shape again.

I remember not liking my tablets at all. First wheel to make my skating feel so off and weird  Also have skated radial slims and liked them much more than tablets for same reasons.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 29, 2022, 11:23:22 AM
I appreciate the last few posts on this. I’m still looking for the ultimate 52.

Me too. I've convinced myself that my perfect wheel is an F4 Radial or Radial Full, 99du, 52mm. There was a recent swirl wheel that was basically exactly this but they were black and I can pretty much only handle the potato color wheels. Hoping the next drop has something for me to try.

I have 52 classics and 52 conicals on my set ups right now, and the radial *seems* like the blend of both that I want but they seem to be more common in larger sizes or harder durometer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Cowboy on March 29, 2022, 11:29:32 AM
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I appreciate the last few posts on this. I’m still looking for the ultimate 52.
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Spitfire is continuing to pump out new shapes for the F4 so ive got a feeling your perfect wheel will come down the pipeline soon or you just haventquite found it yet haha

My ultimate 52 was when I saw OG Classic shape come out in Formula Four a year or 2 ago.
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Haven’t skated those yet. I like the flip with classics a lot. I got 52 conical fulls, but they are 101s, and are not ideal for the terroir. Tbh the og classics kinda confused me, as they seemed a little too close to the conical fulls…? What the key difference/advantage?

Conical fulls have a more rounded edge, the OG classic shape has a more square edge, like the OG Classic concaves inward with no roundness that sticks out like the conical full if that makes sense. (OG Classics riding surface:21.7, conical full:21, so only 0.7 more)

The conical full can give you a closer flip feeling to the classic due to the more rounded edge while giving the lock in of a more square wheel, the OG Classic flips like a square wheel but I prefer the sharper edge for lock ins (The main key differences for me). (The conical full locks in fine as well, just slightly less "locked" due to the more rounded edge but it wont make you fall off if you can lock in well)

The OG classic locks in hard but dosent have as much surface rubbing against the obstacle like the tablet due to only the edge of the wheel touching the obstacle rather than the whole side of the wheel if that makes sense haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on March 29, 2022, 11:39:07 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/SxJTgTd/E7-E774-D9-E94-E-4603-8-C92-9862-AFDB99-AF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SxJTgTd)
53 OG Classics compared to 56 Classics. Going to exchange one or both  for something else but don’t know what. Riding on 52mm conical fulls (was 54) but not liking the squareness for slappies and fat coping and extra clunkiness. I do like the smoothness of the wide surface area. Maybe keep the 56 classics and endure the crust or pick up some 55 radials. Need a wheel that feels right in parking lots and full pipes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 29, 2022, 01:02:27 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/SxJTgTd/E7-E774-D9-E94-E-4603-8-C92-9862-AFDB99-AF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SxJTgTd)
53 OG Classics compared to 56 Classics. Going to exchange one or both  for something else but don’t know what. Riding on 52mm conical fulls (was 54) but not liking the squareness for slappies and fat coping and extra clunkiness. I do like the smoothness of the wide surface area. Maybe keep the 56 classics and endure the crust or pick up some 55 radials. Need a wheel that feels right in parking lots and full pipes.

@Space Cowboy Thanks for that write up!

@braksabbath yeah, fuck. I’m in a room of pain, of my own construction: recently purchased both 51 mm classics, and 57 mm radials. Which feels like, viewed as a singular data piece, would easily allow the profiler to point to the unsub. I too want something that will work for really varied terrain, but maybe that’s just not a thing. There has been people I’ve skated with, and then numerous instances of pros that can rip on both transition and flatground shit on 50s, or different folks that can still do tech stuff with their 58s, whilst being able to skate large ramps as well. Captain obvious here. A round, yet wider shape, in a 52 might be as close as I get to the best of both worlds. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: disclosed on March 29, 2022, 01:16:15 PM
i think Tablets are very comon where i live. see a ton of people ride them. i think they're 3th place most common spitfires i see here after Classics and Conicals.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on March 29, 2022, 01:51:46 PM
I really believe if Spit released more regular Radials that that shape would be higher up in the popularity polls
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 29, 2022, 05:40:55 PM
I really believe if Spit released more regular Radials that that shape would be higher up in the popularity polls

Yeah, everywhere is overstocked with Classics of every size, and hardness. Conical Fulls are usually available but certain hardness and sizes are missing (because they're so popular). Tablets are usually the random third option these days, while pretty much every other shape is a crap shoot. Its weird though, it doesn't seem like the tablets have a massive following. I don't think many people hate them, but I don't know if they are many peoples' first choice?

It seems like people who care about wheel shape outside of the main two tend to like Conical (regular) and Radial Slims yet they're both impossible to find.

It also feels kind of random to me that they only make their 97a wheel for Conical Fulls and Classics. I know its because they are the most popular shapes. Conical Fulls make complete sense, but is there really a market for slim soft wheels? It seems a bit counter intuitive.

Seems like Conical Full and Radial Full would be the shapes to give the 97a treatment to. If you are stepping down to 97a, you are probably skating some CRUSTY streets that would benefit from a wide wheel too. A thin 97a just seems like the worst of both worlds, right?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 30, 2022, 02:11:10 AM
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I really believe if Spit released more regular Radials that that shape would be higher up in the popularity polls
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Yeah, everywhere is overstocked with Classics of every size, and hardness. Conical Fulls are usually available but certain hardness and sizes are missing (because they're so popular). Tablets are usually the random third option these days, while pretty much every other shape is a crap shoot. Its weird though, it doesn't seem like the tablets have a massive following. I don't think many people hate them, but I don't know if they are many peoples' first choice?

It seems like people who care about wheel shape outside of the main two tend to like Conical (regular) and Radial Slims yet they're both impossible to find.

It also feels kind of random to me that they only make their 97a wheel for Conical Fulls and Classics. I know its because they are the most popular shapes. Conical Fulls make complete sense, but is there really a market for slim soft wheels? It seems a bit counter intuitive.

Seems like Conical Full and Radial Full would be the shapes to give the 97a treatment to. If you are stepping down to 97a, you are probably skating some CRUSTY streets that would benefit from a wide wheel too. A thin 97a just seems like the worst of both worlds, right?

53mm 97a Orange Swirl will always be a mystery to me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 30, 2022, 04:14:29 AM
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I really believe if Spit released more regular Radials that that shape would be higher up in the popularity polls
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Yeah, everywhere is overstocked with Classics of every size, and hardness. Conical Fulls are usually available but certain hardness and sizes are missing (because they're so popular). Tablets are usually the random third option these days, while pretty much every other shape is a crap shoot. Its weird though, it doesn't seem like the tablets have a massive following. I don't think many people hate them, but I don't know if they are many peoples' first choice?

It seems like people who care about wheel shape outside of the main two tend to like Conical (regular) and Radial Slims yet they're both impossible to find.

It also feels kind of random to me that they only make their 97a wheel for Conical Fulls and Classics. I know its because they are the most popular shapes. Conical Fulls make complete sense, but is there really a market for slim soft wheels? It seems a bit counter intuitive.

Seems like Conical Full and Radial Full would be the shapes to give the 97a treatment to. If you are stepping down to 97a, you are probably skating some CRUSTY streets that would benefit from a wide wheel too. A thin 97a just seems like the worst of both worlds, right?

Yes, exactly. I really want to try some 52mm or 53mm Conical's. But I just got some new 53mm OG Classics and have to get used to them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on March 30, 2022, 06:31:34 AM
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I really believe if Spit released more regular Radials that that shape would be higher up in the popularity polls
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Yeah, everywhere is overstocked with Classics of every size, and hardness. Conical Fulls are usually available but certain hardness and sizes are missing (because they're so popular). Tablets are usually the random third option these days, while pretty much every other shape is a crap shoot. Its weird though, it doesn't seem like the tablets have a massive following. I don't think many people hate them, but I don't know if they are many peoples' first choice?

It seems like people who care about wheel shape outside of the main two tend to like Conical (regular) and Radial Slims yet they're both impossible to find.

It also feels kind of random to me that they only make their 97a wheel for Conical Fulls and Classics. I know its because they are the most popular shapes. Conical Fulls make complete sense, but is there really a market for slim soft wheels? It seems a bit counter intuitive.

Seems like Conical Full and Radial Full would be the shapes to give the 97a treatment to. If you are stepping down to 97a, you are probably skating some CRUSTY streets that would benefit from a wide wheel too. A thin 97a just seems like the worst of both worlds, right?
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Yes, exactly. I really want to try some 52mm or 53mm Conical's. But I just got some new 53mm OG Classics and have to get used to them.

I would recommend looking into Bones wheels if you like skinnier shapes. Their v5 is essentially Conical maybe slightly smaller, and their v6 between Conical and Conical full. Most of their wheels Max out around 54mm.

Haven't tried their STF 99a yet to speak to them, but I love their 103a on smooth ground. My favorite hard hard wheel.

If you care about wheel color or whatever, I know the Bones 99a look more natural like F4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on March 30, 2022, 08:46:33 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbqsEOcpU3f/?utm_medium=share_sheet
can’t remember if these are spring d2 or summer but antisocial got em early!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: burm on March 30, 2022, 08:53:23 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CbqsEOcpU3f/?utm_medium=share_sheet
can’t remember if these are spring d2 or summer but antisocial got em early!
That’s kinda hot actually, been wanting to try 99d conical fulls but hard to justify 50€ when I have perfectly ok 101 classics already…
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 30, 2022, 08:57:13 AM
DLX just might as well discontinue the radial slim at this point...still on the hunt for a set in 99a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 30, 2022, 09:18:56 AM
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I really believe if Spit released more regular Radials that that shape would be higher up in the popularity polls
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Yeah, everywhere is overstocked with Classics of every size, and hardness. Conical Fulls are usually available but certain hardness and sizes are missing (because they're so popular). Tablets are usually the random third option these days, while pretty much every other shape is a crap shoot. Its weird though, it doesn't seem like the tablets have a massive following. I don't think many people hate them, but I don't know if they are many peoples' first choice?

It seems like people who care about wheel shape outside of the main two tend to like Conical (regular) and Radial Slims yet they're both impossible to find.

It also feels kind of random to me that they only make their 97a wheel for Conical Fulls and Classics. I know its because they are the most popular shapes. Conical Fulls make complete sense, but is there really a market for slim soft wheels? It seems a bit counter intuitive.

Seems like Conical Full and Radial Full would be the shapes to give the 97a treatment to. If you are stepping down to 97a, you are probably skating some CRUSTY streets that would benefit from a wide wheel too. A thin 97a just seems like the worst of both worlds, right?
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Yes, exactly. I really want to try some 52mm or 53mm Conical's. But I just got some new 53mm OG Classics and have to get used to them.

I'm on some 52 conicals now and I'm really liking them. They slide well but don't look super wide the way conical fulls do? Those really wide surface area wheels sort of spin me out mentally. Still waiting to find a perfect set of radials that I've convinced myself are my goldilocks wheel...

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 30, 2022, 01:10:31 PM
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I really believe if Spit released more regular Radials that that shape would be higher up in the popularity polls
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Yeah, everywhere is overstocked with Classics of every size, and hardness. Conical Fulls are usually available but certain hardness and sizes are missing (because they're so popular). Tablets are usually the random third option these days, while pretty much every other shape is a crap shoot. Its weird though, it doesn't seem like the tablets have a massive following. I don't think many people hate them, but I don't know if they are many peoples' first choice?

It seems like people who care about wheel shape outside of the main two tend to like Conical (regular) and Radial Slims yet they're both impossible to find.

It also feels kind of random to me that they only make their 97a wheel for Conical Fulls and Classics. I know its because they are the most popular shapes. Conical Fulls make complete sense, but is there really a market for slim soft wheels? It seems a bit counter intuitive.

Seems like Conical Full and Radial Full would be the shapes to give the 97a treatment to. If you are stepping down to 97a, you are probably skating some CRUSTY streets that would benefit from a wide wheel too. A thin 97a just seems like the worst of both worlds, right?
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Yes, exactly. I really want to try some 52mm or 53mm Conical's. But I just got some new 53mm OG Classics and have to get used to them.
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I'm on some 52 conicals now and I'm really liking them. They slide well but don't look super wide the way conical fulls do? Those really wide surface area wheels sort of spin me out mentally. Still waiting to find a perfect set of radials that I've convinced myself are my goldilocks wheel...

Maybe I have the same with the really wide riding surface on the 53 OG classics for example.

I had some Radials in 54 a few years ago and those also have a wide riding surface, but I think a 51 or 50 radial could be really nice.

Just ordered a set of 52 conicals. The madness.. I tell ya
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: skateviewer on March 30, 2022, 02:20:43 PM
any of you guys find something weird about the coloured f4? i got the black classic fulls and they just feel off compared to undyed f4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 30, 2022, 02:23:32 PM
Potato brown talk only.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 30, 2022, 02:24:49 PM
any of you guys find something weird about the coloured f4? i got the black classic fulls and they just feel off compared to undyed f4.

I can't ride colored wheels. I'm so desperate for radials and Spit is only releasing them in colors lately which is fucking me up. More power to people who can ride them but they aren't for me. Potato only.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 30, 2022, 02:55:52 PM
I’ve got a pretty new set of Classic Fulls and 2 sets in the closet so I’m pretty committed, but I’d try a radial or like a 53 conical again for sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on March 30, 2022, 03:21:52 PM
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any of you guys find something weird about the coloured f4? i got the black classic fulls and they just feel off compared to undyed f4.
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I can't ride colored wheels. I'm so desperate for radials and Spit is only releasing them in colors lately which is fucking me up. More power to people who can ride them but they aren't for me. Potato only.

Not sure what size you’re looking for - the Oski radials in 55 and 57 mm seem to be pretty readily available (at least in the states).  I just picked up a set of the 55s for the spring/summer. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on March 30, 2022, 03:28:17 PM
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any of you guys find something weird about the coloured f4? i got the black classic fulls and they just feel off compared to undyed f4.
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I can't ride colored wheels. I'm so desperate for radials and Spit is only releasing them in colors lately which is fucking me up. More power to people who can ride them but they aren't for me. Potato only.
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Not sure what size you’re looking for - the Oski radials in 55 and 57 mm seem to be pretty readily available (at least in the states).  I just picked up a set of the 55s for the spring/summer.

I've been looking for 52 or 53 which I've only seen in the Blue "Skate like a Girl" color or the Black with the Trippy Swirl. Might need to get over the madness and pull the trigger on the 55s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 30, 2022, 03:59:06 PM
Does anyone from DLX still lurk these boards?
If you’re here, make normal fucking radials in a good range of sizes, you can still make the Skate Like A Girl colours but people want potato wheels dammit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Rattus Localis on March 30, 2022, 07:33:59 PM
Question(s) for all the "classic full" enthusiasts:

How do you find they compare to regular classics?

Looking at the specs for the 52mm, it appears the fulls are only 1mm wider but have a decently wider contact patch.

Is there any noticeable difference in weight and performance?

I like the way wider wheels look and feel but I'm also noticing my pop diminishing a bit lately (I'm 34). 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 30, 2022, 07:43:40 PM
Does anyone from DLX still lurk these boards?
If you’re here, make normal fucking radials SLIM in a good range of sizes, you can still make the Skate Like A Girl colours but people want potato wheels dammit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on March 30, 2022, 07:45:56 PM
any of you guys find something weird about the coloured f4? i got the black classic fulls and they just feel off compared to undyed f4.
mine felt a tad softer, and honestly better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cthunderw on March 30, 2022, 08:03:26 PM
Question(s) for all the "classic full" enthusiasts:

How do you find they compare to regular classics?

Looking at the specs for the 52mm, it appears the fulls are only 1mm wider but have a decently wider contact patch.

Is there any noticeable difference in weight and performance?

I like the way wider wheels look and feel but I'm also noticing my pop diminishing a bit lately (I'm 34).
I have in my head that the idea behind these is that they are a skated down version of their 2mm larger classic version, like the 54mm classic full is like a skated down 56mm classic, but I admit it can't be right because these will get even wider still once they are skated down.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on March 30, 2022, 08:32:36 PM
What happened to classic fulls? I just want a fatter classic and the OG Classic is not that, has less taper
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on March 30, 2022, 09:09:45 PM
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Question(s) for all the "classic full" enthusiasts:

How do you find they compare to regular classics?

Looking at the specs for the 52mm, it appears the fulls are only 1mm wider but have a decently wider contact patch.

Is there any noticeable difference in weight and performance?

I like the way wider wheels look and feel but I'm also noticing my pop diminishing a bit lately (I'm 34).
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I have in my head that the idea behind these is that they are a skated down version of their 2mm larger classic version, like the 54mm classic full is like a skated down 56mm classic, but I admit it can't be right because these will get even wider still once they are skated down.

This is it. A 52 full is just a broken in 53 without the break in. It’s a glorious shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Rattus Localis on March 30, 2022, 11:02:27 PM
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Question(s) for all the "classic full" enthusiasts:

How do you find they compare to regular classics?

Looking at the specs for the 52mm, it appears the fulls are only 1mm wider but have a decently wider contact patch.

Is there any noticeable difference in weight and performance?

I like the way wider wheels look and feel but I'm also noticing my pop diminishing a bit lately (I'm 34).
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I have in my head that the idea behind these is that they are a skated down version of their 2mm larger classic version, like the 54mm classic full is like a skated down 56mm classic, but I admit it can't be right because these will get even wider still once they are skated down.
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This is it. A 52 full is just a broken in 53 without the break in. It’s a glorious shape.

Thanks, I think I know what I need to do.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 31, 2022, 04:31:47 AM
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Question(s) for all the "classic full" enthusiasts:

How do you find they compare to regular classics?

Looking at the specs for the 52mm, it appears the fulls are only 1mm wider but have a decently wider contact patch.

Is there any noticeable difference in weight and performance?

I like the way wider wheels look and feel but I'm also noticing my pop diminishing a bit lately (I'm 34).
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I have in my head that the idea behind these is that they are a skated down version of their 2mm larger classic version, like the 54mm classic full is like a skated down 56mm classic, but I admit it can't be right because these will get even wider still once they are skated down.
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This is it. A 52 full is just a broken in 53 without the break in. It’s a glorious shape.
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Thanks, I think I know what I need to do.

What happened to classic fulls? I just want a fatter classic and the OG Classic is not that, has less taper


That is pretty much all correct to what I find with the wheels and a big yes from me for Classic Full shaped wheels.

One or two mm up in size for a Classic shape does wear down nicely to a good Classic Full type of wheel.

Even to the point of getting 54mm Classic wheels to skate on one setup for bigger / go faster stuff, then have another setup for more tech stuff when they get down a bit to 52mm or less.

I feel like Classics are the only wheel that I can happily skate if needed from 56mm or even 58mm down to almost 50mm without having to take the sharp edges off with a grinder, as I do with Conical Full or other styles that I get back from trades from people upgrading.

Classic Full wheels when available are just the wider version of the Classics, but at times are a difficult wheel to find, due to only releasing them for specific runs in very limited sizes, eg the last 56 and 58mm versions for the Grosso wheel and then the 54, 56 and 58mm Lance Mountain wheel were very popular back in 2019 to 2020, then I don't recall many besides the Ransom graphic 2020 / 2021 since then, but now the Repeater in 52 and 54mm in natural and 53mm in black in 2022.

When you get up into the bigger sizes, they are very wide, but for most people who want something more around the 52 to 54mm sizes, at least there are still normal Classics which wear down nicely as well.

Because the Classic shape is so rounded, they still retain some roundness to the edge even when they wear down a lot, which does mean they skate better overall for many people too.

Everyone has their own preference of wheel, so I am not trying to change any minds if you have your own thoughts that differ, but from skating pretty much all the shapes and seeing all of them at the end of their life, not just at the beginning, Classics tend to fare the best overall with less issues, chipping, sharp edges, etc.

I guess that is why they are called the "Number one wheel shape in skateboarding" or something to that effect.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Coping Grinder on March 31, 2022, 07:09:03 AM
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any of you guys find something weird about the coloured f4? i got the black classic fulls and they just feel off compared to undyed f4.
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mine felt a tad softer, and honestly better.

I was told a long time ago that the dye they use to make any wheel colored is going to have an effect on the recipe of the wheel, and will most likely be noticeably harder/softer than even other dyes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on March 31, 2022, 08:04:43 AM
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any of you guys find something weird about the coloured f4? i got the black classic fulls and they just feel off compared to undyed f4.
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mine felt a tad softer, and honestly better.
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I was told a long time ago that the dye they use to make any wheel colored is going to have an effect on the recipe of the wheel, and will most likely be noticeably harder/softer than even other dyes.

Yeah, the light yellow tan of Spitfire wheels is the “natural” color of their polyurethane, according to their marketing. I’ve gotta imagine that adding any other chemicals to the mix will effect how it performs. Maybe they have engineered around this, I don’t know, but it certainly does have an effect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: typeischeap on March 31, 2022, 10:44:01 AM
I leave for a decade and come back and dyed wheels are STILL different than natural color wheels in the same durometer? C'mon science you're letting me down!  ;D

Skated my new (but broken in) tablets back to back with my black conicals and the black wheels definitely rode softer. Maybe in my mind but I don't think so.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: El Freegano on March 31, 2022, 12:04:10 PM
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Question(s) for all the "classic full" enthusiasts:

How do you find they compare to regular classics?

Looking at the specs for the 52mm, it appears the fulls are only 1mm wider but have a decently wider contact patch.

Is there any noticeable difference in weight and performance?

I like the way wider wheels look and feel but I'm also noticing my pop diminishing a bit lately (I'm 34).
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I have in my head that the idea behind these is that they are a skated down version of their 2mm larger classic version, like the 54mm classic full is like a skated down 56mm classic, but I admit it can't be right because these will get even wider still once they are skated down.
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This is it. A 52 full is just a broken in 53 without the break in. It’s a glorious shape.
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Thanks, I think I know what I need to do.
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What happened to classic fulls? I just want a fatter classic and the OG Classic is not that, has less taper
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That is pretty much all correct to what I find with the wheels and a big yes from me for Classic Full shaped wheels.

One or two mm up in size for a Classic shape does wear down nicely to a good Classic Full type of wheel.

Even to the point of getting 54mm Classic wheels to skate on one setup for bigger / go faster stuff, then have another setup for more tech stuff when they get down a bit to 52mm or less.

I feel like Classics are the only wheel that I can happily skate if needed from 56mm or even 58mm down to almost 50mm without having to take the sharp edges off with a grinder, as I do with Conical Full or other styles that I get back from trades from people upgrading.

Classic Full wheels when available are just the wider version of the Classics, but at times are a difficult wheel to find, due to only releasing them for specific runs in very limited sizes, eg the last 56 and 58mm versions for the Grosso wheel and then the 54, 56 and 58mm Lance Mountain wheel were very popular back in 2019 to 2020, then I don't recall many besides the Ransom graphic 2020 / 2021 since then, but now the Repeater in 52 and 54mm in natural and 53mm in black in 2022.

When you get up into the bigger sizes, they are very wide, but for most people who want something more around the 52 to 54mm sizes, at least there are still normal Classics which wear down nicely as well.

Because the Classic shape is so rounded, they still retain some roundness to the edge even when they wear down a lot, which does mean they skate better overall for many people too.

Everyone has their own preference of wheel, so I am not trying to change any minds if you have your own thoughts that differ, but from skating pretty much all the shapes and seeing all of them at the end of their life, not just at the beginning, Classics tend to fare the best overall with less issues, chipping, sharp edges, etc.

I guess that is why they are called the "Number one wheel shape in skateboarding" or something to that effect.
I am super thankful that I listened to your advise to get 54 classic. I prefer smaller wheels like 51-52, but the worn down classics to these dimenssions are just perfect street wheels that can be used both for tech sk8ing and also on some rougher ground.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Rattus Localis on March 31, 2022, 06:30:36 PM
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Question(s) for all the "classic full" enthusiasts:

How do you find they compare to regular classics?

Looking at the specs for the 52mm, it appears the fulls are only 1mm wider but have a decently wider contact patch.

Is there any noticeable difference in weight and performance?

I like the way wider wheels look and feel but I'm also noticing my pop diminishing a bit lately (I'm 34).
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I have in my head that the idea behind these is that they are a skated down version of their 2mm larger classic version, like the 54mm classic full is like a skated down 56mm classic, but I admit it can't be right because these will get even wider still once they are skated down.
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This is it. A 52 full is just a broken in 53 without the break in. It’s a glorious shape.
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Thanks, I think I know what I need to do.
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What happened to classic fulls? I just want a fatter classic and the OG Classic is not that, has less taper
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That is pretty much all correct to what I find with the wheels and a big yes from me for Classic Full shaped wheels.

One or two mm up in size for a Classic shape does wear down nicely to a good Classic Full type of wheel.

Even to the point of getting 54mm Classic wheels to skate on one setup for bigger / go faster stuff, then have another setup for more tech stuff when they get down a bit to 52mm or less.

I feel like Classics are the only wheel that I can happily skate if needed from 56mm or even 58mm down to almost 50mm without having to take the sharp edges off with a grinder, as I do with Conical Full or other styles that I get back from trades from people upgrading.

Classic Full wheels when available are just the wider version of the Classics, but at times are a difficult wheel to find, due to only releasing them for specific runs in very limited sizes, eg the last 56 and 58mm versions for the Grosso wheel and then the 54, 56 and 58mm Lance Mountain wheel were very popular back in 2019 to 2020, then I don't recall many besides the Ransom graphic 2020 / 2021 since then, but now the Repeater in 52 and 54mm in natural and 53mm in black in 2022.

When you get up into the bigger sizes, they are very wide, but for most people who want something more around the 52 to 54mm sizes, at least there are still normal Classics which wear down nicely as well.

Because the Classic shape is so rounded, they still retain some roundness to the edge even when they wear down a lot, which does mean they skate better overall for many people too.

Everyone has their own preference of wheel, so I am not trying to change any minds if you have your own thoughts that differ, but from skating pretty much all the shapes and seeing all of them at the end of their life, not just at the beginning, Classics tend to fare the best overall with less issues, chipping, sharp edges, etc.

I guess that is why they are called the "Number one wheel shape in skateboarding" or something to that effect.

Cheers lads, I pulled the trigger on the 52s. Lord knows I don't need any more wheels, but I found a way of talking myself into it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 01, 2022, 07:10:09 PM
I'm enjoying my Radial Full 99a 56mm so far. I haven't ridden them long enough for a full review.

I can't really say if I like them more or less than Conical Full yet. They definitely feel a bit different. They're definitely the biggest wheel I've ever skated.

One thing that surprised me though. My wheel actually chunked a bit on the edge? Its not massive or anything, but I don't know if I've ever had chunking on a hard (especially) rounded wheels? Especially not in the first handful of sessions.

I haven't even grinded on anything, this is literally just from 4-5 sessions on flatground and skating to/from in the street. Must literally just be from a pebble.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fakie varial flip on April 03, 2022, 09:20:28 AM
I have to say i'm impressed by all of you that can consistently skate the classic shape. This is now the third time i've bought classics and within a month gone back to conical shape wheels. I skate both street and transition and for both I just cannot do narrow contact patch - i'll slide out on backside flips and feel like i'm not hanging on in corners well enough.

Definitely time to give up the ghost on the classic shape for me.

Switched back to the 97a conical full I have and they are dreamy and somehow have the best powerslide of any wheel I have!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 03, 2022, 12:04:17 PM
I have to say i'm impressed by all of you that can consistently skate the classic shape. This is now the third time i've bought classics and within a month gone back to conical shape wheels. I skate both street and transition and for both I just cannot do narrow contact patch - i'll slide out on backside flips and feel like i'm not hanging on in corners well enough.

Definitely time to give up the ghost on the classic shape for me.

Switched back to the 97a conical full I have and they are dreamy and somehow have the best powerslide of any wheel I have!

I'm considering grabbing another 97a Conical Full too. It's just so crusty here. Hopefully they keep improving the 97a formula and give it some more shapes. The wheels are noticably slower, and personally slide like shit for me, but I can't deny how much better they handle shitty terrain than 99a. I wonder why they slide so much better for you.

I've got some STF 99a on the back burner to try. But if those can't handle the crust better than 99a F4 then I might have to reluctantly go back to 97a for any local skating.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fakie varial flip on April 03, 2022, 12:35:26 PM
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I have to say i'm impressed by all of you that can consistently skate the classic shape. This is now the third time i've bought classics and within a month gone back to conical shape wheels. I skate both street and transition and for both I just cannot do narrow contact patch - i'll slide out on backside flips and feel like i'm not hanging on in corners well enough.

Definitely time to give up the ghost on the classic shape for me.

Switched back to the 97a conical full I have and they are dreamy and somehow have the best powerslide of any wheel I have!
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I'm considering grabbing another 97a Conical Full too. It's just so crusty here. Hopefully they keep improving the 97a formula and give it some more shapes. The wheels are noticably slower, and personally slide like shit for me, but I can't deny how much better they handle shitty terrain than 99a. I wonder why they slide so much better for you.

I've got some STF 99a on the back burner to try. But if those can't handle the crust better than 99a F4 then I might have to reluctantly go back to 97a for any local skating.

It's crusty as shit everywhere here too, even the skateparks are generally chunky and rough. I imagine thats why the wider wheels slide better for me, now that I think about it. Less possibility to dig into nasty concrete with a wider surface

It may also be my incredibly shitty powerslide technique hahaha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on April 03, 2022, 01:08:03 PM
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any of you guys find something weird about the coloured f4? i got the black classic fulls and they just feel off compared to undyed f4.
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mine felt a tad softer, and honestly better.

Same. Im skating black Ishod 55mms and jumping off stuff seems to take less a toll on my knees.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on April 03, 2022, 02:12:27 PM
I have to say i'm impressed by all of you that can consistently skate the classic shape. This is now the third time i've bought classics and within a month gone back to conical shape wheels. I skate both street and transition and for both I just cannot do narrow contact patch - i'll slide out on backside flips and feel like i'm not hanging on in corners well enough.

Definitely time to give up the ghost on the classic shape for me.

Switched back to the 97a conical full I have and they are dreamy and somehow have the best powerslide of any wheel I have!

I have the 97A Conical Fulls on one board and Classics on another. The Classics work especially well for the 144/44 size trucks, because the shape allows the truck to sit perfectly on top of most regular double-sided curbs, so they're excellent for slappies. As for transition, I really don't perceive much of a difference. I suppose I should skate both back-to-back, for comparisons sake.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on April 03, 2022, 02:23:21 PM
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I have to say i'm impressed by all of you that can consistently skate the classic shape. This is now the third time i've bought classics and within a month gone back to conical shape wheels. I skate both street and transition and for both I just cannot do narrow contact patch - i'll slide out on backside flips and feel like i'm not hanging on in corners well enough.

Definitely time to give up the ghost on the classic shape for me.

Switched back to the 97a conical full I have and they are dreamy and somehow have the best powerslide of any wheel I have!
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I'm considering grabbing another 97a Conical Full too. It's just so crusty here. Hopefully they keep improving the 97a formula and give it some more shapes. The wheels are noticably slower, and personally slide like shit for me, but I can't deny how much better they handle shitty terrain than 99a.

This has been the case for me, skating in the PNW. Skating the 97a, I experience significantly less fatigue after a day of skating parking lots and sidewalks than I get with 99 or 101a. There are some spots I can skate where my friends cannot because their wheels are too small or too hard.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 03, 2022, 04:49:54 PM
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I have to say i'm impressed by all of you that can consistently skate the classic shape. This is now the third time i've bought classics and within a month gone back to conical shape wheels. I skate both street and transition and for both I just cannot do narrow contact patch - i'll slide out on backside flips and feel like i'm not hanging on in corners well enough.

Definitely time to give up the ghost on the classic shape for me.

Switched back to the 97a conical full I have and they are dreamy and somehow have the best powerslide of any wheel I have!
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I'm considering grabbing another 97a Conical Full too. It's just so crusty here. Hopefully they keep improving the 97a formula and give it some more shapes. The wheels are noticably slower, and personally slide like shit for me, but I can't deny how much better they handle shitty terrain than 99a.
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This has been the case for me, skating in the PNW. Skating the 97a, I experience significantly less fatigue after a day of skating parking lots and sidewalks than I get with 99 or 101a. There are some spots I can skate where my friends cannot because their wheels are too small or too hard.

Yeah, absolutely...  However, 97a is definitely not the ideal hardness for skateboarding smooth stuff. 99-103a gives you a better ground-feel, slide, and speed. The harder wheels feel more responsive and less soggy when you're popping tricks. Feels more like "skateboarding" to me with that less muted feel.

However, what is the point in having that ceiling of potential, when you can't skate to/from spots? And you get locked out of skating so many spots due to shitty ground?

How I think about it is:

99a+ has a greater ceiling/potential for fun.

97a has a greater floor/guarantee for fun.

... If that makes sense.

I've definitely given up on attempting to ride very tech anymore and embraced bigger/wider wheels... but now I'm trying to find the right softness. If I lived somewhere with smooth roads, parks, and spots I would skate Bones STF 103a and never think about it again... but now I'm trying to nail down what shapes and harnesses to juggle in the 97-99a range. At this point I have some of my most fun at skateparks, and 97a is noticeably slower at smooth parks. I'm considering becoming one of *those guys* who has two separate pairs of wheels they swap out, haha.

That being said, I've been skating some F4 Radial Full 99a, and they've been fine. They don't roll over pebbles/cracks and shitty roads quite as well as 97a Conical Fulls... but for the most part it gets the job done. My only complaint is they feel pretty heavy/cumbersome to me. Can't wait to feel how fast they feel at the skatepark.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on April 03, 2022, 10:54:28 PM
Back on the 56mm 97a conical fulls for the indoor. The softer duro and clunkiness is only noticeable when riding slow when warming up or getting tired. Otherwise has great lock in, slides with extra push, fast enough. I strayed to 52mm 101 CF for a while, somehow managed a tiny hard wheel for a few weeks worth of wood ramp sessions but had a few too many full speed banana peel fly outs hitting whatever wax build up lurks right under the coping.
Need a 56mm 101s in a shape in between a Classic and Conical Full to replace the NFG Vee 56.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 03, 2022, 11:59:17 PM
Need a 56mm 101s in a shape in between a Classic and Conical Full to replace the NFG Vee 56.

Sounds like Bones STF V5 to me. Maybe Spitfire Conical (non-Full) or Radial Slims, but V5's sound closest to your description.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on April 04, 2022, 12:45:12 AM
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Sounds like Bones STF V5 to me. Maybe Spitfire Conical (non-Full) or Radial Slims, but V5's sound closest to your description.

Conical is the right answer, 56mm are just coming back into rotation but in 99a (yellow) from what I've seen.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 04, 2022, 03:04:16 AM
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Need a 56mm 101s in a shape in between a Classic and Conical Full to replace the NFG Vee 56.
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Sounds like Bones STF V5 to me. Maybe Spitfire Conical (non-Full) or Radial Slims, but V5's sound closest to your description.
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Conical is the right answer, 56mm are just coming back into rotation but in 99a (yellow) from what I've seen.

Assuming he is talking about shape, not just width, the V5 is more like a hybrid between conical and classic. Its a bit more rounded than a conical. Its kind of like a wider classic on the edges, with a conical cut-in side.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on April 06, 2022, 01:04:21 PM
Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on April 06, 2022, 01:13:31 PM
Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.

I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on April 06, 2022, 02:29:29 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit

Are you guys using the spacers and a bearing press?
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Post by: goodatmeth on April 06, 2022, 02:37:30 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit
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Are you guys using the spacers and a bearing press?

No spacers and I don't have a press. I've never had spitfires that actually fit spacers right
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Post by: braksabbath on April 06, 2022, 03:05:10 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit
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No spacers and I don't have a press. I've never had spitfires that actually fit spacers right
Same, gave up on spacers when different sets wouldn't fit Spit or NFG. They'd make the opposite side bearing pop out slightly. Spacers were too narrow for OJs. Bearing press didn't help the wobble on an NFG.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 06, 2022, 05:40:15 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit


Talking to the shop you got them from is often the best way to get things moving.

People in USA have a more direct line to DLX, but in other areas, it should go through the local shop, local distro and then they sort it out for you.

I think you would most likely get a better response taking this path, especially if you bought them in store and can take them back to the store and show them what is going on with the wheels.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 06, 2022, 08:08:41 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit

Yeah, one of my Radial Fulls definitely has a noticeable wobble. My front right wheel. I've been riding them, in hopes that maybe it would "fix" but nope. It even sort of clicks as it rolls. I really hope this isn't fucking with my bearings.

It sounds like the quality control at Spitfire has really gone downhill the past season or two. I wonder what has changed.

To be clear, when you spin your wheels the graphic might look like it "wobbles" due to it not being printed directly on center, I'm talking about the wheel is actually wobbling laterally when you look at it from the bottom of the wheel. This can't be good for rolling smoothly, and probably can't be good for the bearings with all that lateral pressure being applied.

Definitely going to be reaching out to Spitfire and Orchard.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 07, 2022, 04:56:14 AM
Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.

Had that same problem a few days ago. I put a bit of sunflower oil on a brush and smeared that inside the wheel. Then put an old bearing on my hanger and put the new bearings in the wheel. The bearings got in very easily and everything sits flush and no more wobble now.
The inside of new spitfire wheels can be a bit sticky sometimes. Oh and make sure to clean the wheels afterwards if you use some type of oil.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 07, 2022, 06:12:24 AM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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Had that same problem a few days ago. I put a bit of sunflower oil on a brush and smeared that inside the wheel. Then put an old bearing on my hanger and put the new bearings in the wheel. The bearings got in very easily and everything sits flush and no more wobble now.
The inside of new spitfire wheels can be a bit sticky sometimes. Oh and make sure to clean the wheels afterwards if you use some type of oil.


Yes, most wheels could do with a touch of lube to help the bearings get in without having to use too much force.

The most common one is a single drop of machine oil, same as I put in bearings, on a finger and either round the rims of the bearings or around the inside bearing seat of each wheel.

I put two bearings, face down on the upturned axle, then just push the wheel down, spin to make sure it is even, turn it over and push down on the second bearing, spin again and it should be good to go.


As you said, using a spare / old bearing on your hanger first to minimise pressure on the new bearings is a good one too.


There are other things like the latest simple looking Indy tool that has a thicker part to cover the bearing rim, which I know some people use too, but I often find it is easier just to use the truck on the board to get bearings into or out of wheels.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: notinternetfamous on April 07, 2022, 10:42:15 AM
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/
Spring '22 Drop 2 Catalog is live
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on April 07, 2022, 12:57:14 PM
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/
Spring '22 Drop 2 Catalog is live

Wish there was more radial action
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 07, 2022, 04:48:48 PM
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/
Spring '22 Drop 2 Catalog is live

I'm a bit shocked to see a lack of 97a Conical Fulls. I think I might grab a backup pair just in case they are phased out. My old board still has those on, and its honestly amazing how much better they handle crusty roads even after they've been reduced to about 49-50mm. My brand new 99a 56mm Radial Fulls are almost unrideable on streets that these small 97a 50mm wheels makes feel pretty normal.

To be honest, it seems like it was a misstep for them to make Classics one of the introductory 97a shapes as its sort of a "worst of both worlds" wheel being soft and so narrow. It doesn't seem like they are selling very well the way places are putting them on clearance unlike every other F4 Spitfire shape. I could be wrong, maybe they're selling great, but personally I haven't seen any buzz about them considering how widely available they are.

If/when they bring 97a back (maybe with a gently retooled formula) they should think about abandoning the Classic 97a and replace it with Radial Full and maybe OG Classic. Wide wheels tackle crust better. If you're already sacrificing that tech, slide, and top speed with the softer wheel, then you might as well make it do its niche as well as possible, right?

I'm glad they are still running with the 56mm/58mm Radial Fulls. That graphic is really cool, especially while rolling. Hopefully (if they're producing more) this batch doesn't have as many defects as the last one.
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Post by: Paco Supreme on April 07, 2022, 05:28:56 PM
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How hard can it be, come on deluxe
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What do you guys think of the Radial Fulls as people who ride Radials?
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Post by: Xen on April 07, 2022, 06:03:55 PM
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 07, 2022, 08:38:50 PM
What do you guys think of the Radial Fulls as people who ride Radials?

They remind me too much of mini cubics
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Post by: thanksgiving on April 08, 2022, 01:10:57 AM
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What do you guys think of the Radial Fulls as people who ride Radials?
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They remind me too much of mini cubics
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LOL. I hope you're joking.

Just so you know mini cubics are 64mm, 57mm wide, and have offset bearings. Radial fulls are basically just 56mm Conical Fulls but radial, only 39mm wide.
i am floored by how much you can talk about radial fulls and 97a spitfires while simultaneously adding nothing to the conversation
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on April 08, 2022, 06:44:42 AM
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I usually skate 52-54mm on my daily ride, so i haven't tried the fulls yet. However, ive been slowly cooking up a tranny set up that will probably have the 56s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BoxStuffer on April 08, 2022, 07:10:50 AM
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/
Spring '22 Drop 2 Catalog is live

Interesting.  Looks like the biggest size now for a 101a wheel is 56mm.  Either Classic or Conical Full. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 08, 2022, 05:51:27 PM
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I made some for people, usually best from Conical shaped wheels, just taking the side edge off a bit and rounding the corner out and away you go.

These ones turned out pretty well.


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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on April 08, 2022, 05:55:05 PM
I see that they just went ahead and made the Kader wheel a production item. Given how quickly these sold out and how many crusty Bowl Barneys and Kader Imitators I've seen riding them, this is a good idea.

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on April 08, 2022, 07:37:47 PM
The daily driver:
(https://i.imgur.com/yj7vlvxl.jpg)
8.3 SlaveZ
Indy 149 w/soft red bushings
F4 Radial 53mm 99d
Swiss

Reminiscing on radials in 53mm. I loved this setup from a few years ago. A 53 radial is all I’d skate, if possible. I got some of the 55 Oski ones recently and put them on my normal 8.3 board. Ended up not liking it. Timing on my landings felt off. All grinds felt like I had less truck to work with (149s). Pinch was terrible on crooks. I took them off after 2 weeks and put on some 52 classic fulls. Now these are working great. Amazing what a difference just a couple millimeters makes. I’ll end up putting the Oski’s on one of the bigger boards in my quiver.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on April 08, 2022, 08:41:10 PM
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The daily driver:
(https://i.imgur.com/yj7vlvxl.jpg)
8.3 SlaveZ
Indy 149 w/soft red bushings
F4 Radial 53mm 99d
Swiss
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Reminiscing on radials in 53mm. I loved this setup from a few years ago. A 53 radial is all I’d skate, if possible. I got some of the 55 Oski ones recently and put them on my normal 8.3 board. Ended up not liking it. Timing on my landings felt off. All grinds felt like I had less truck to work with (149s). Pinch was terrible on crooks. I took them off after 2 weeks and put on some 52 classic fulls. Now these are working great. Amazing what a difference just a couple millimeters makes. I’ll end up putting the Oski’s on one of the bigger boards in my quiver.

This is a bummer because I convinced myself the Oski 55 radials were the wheel I needed since Spitfire doesn't seem to offer a 52-53 natural color radial. I'll still probably track some down and give them a shot, especially since the new drop has basically no radials.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on April 09, 2022, 01:32:02 AM
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The daily driver:
(https://i.imgur.com/yj7vlvxl.jpg)
8.3 SlaveZ
Indy 149 w/soft red bushings
F4 Radial 53mm 99d
Swiss
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Reminiscing on radials in 53mm. I loved this setup from a few years ago. A 53 radial is all I’d skate, if possible. I got some of the 55 Oski ones recently and put them on my normal 8.3 board. Ended up not liking it. Timing on my landings felt off. All grinds felt like I had less truck to work with (149s). Pinch was terrible on crooks. I took them off after 2 weeks and put on some 52 classic fulls. Now these are working great. Amazing what a difference just a couple millimeters makes. I’ll end up putting the Oski’s on one of the bigger boards in my quiver.
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This is a bummer because I convinced myself the Oski 55 radials were the wheel I needed since Spitfire doesn't seem to offer a 52-53 natural color radial. I'll still probably track some down and give them a shot, especially since the new drop has basically no radials.

I’d love some 52 or 53 mm Radials, too. Currently on 52 mm Classic Fulls and bought an extra set of 54 mm Classic Fulls that I’ll put on afterwards. Tad to big for my street setup but worn down they should be perfect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: oldfart on April 12, 2022, 02:04:34 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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Had that same problem a few days ago. I put a bit of sunflower oil on a brush and smeared that inside the wheel. Then put an old bearing on my hanger and put the new bearings in the wheel. The bearings got in very easily and everything sits flush and no more wobble now.
The inside of new spitfire wheels can be a bit sticky sometimes. Oh and make sure to clean the wheels afterwards if you use some type of oil.

This just saved my day!
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Post by: fs1/2cab on April 14, 2022, 12:15:00 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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Had that same problem a few days ago. I put a bit of sunflower oil on a brush and smeared that inside the wheel. Then put an old bearing on my hanger and put the new bearings in the wheel. The bearings got in very easily and everything sits flush and no more wobble now.
The inside of new spitfire wheels can be a bit sticky sometimes. Oh and make sure to clean the wheels afterwards if you use some type of oil.
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This just saved my day!

Yo, that makes me happy to hear. I am glad if I can help.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on April 14, 2022, 12:40:30 PM
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on April 17, 2022, 08:50:37 AM
Put the Oski Formula four 55mm radials on my board, first session was good. Between the sort of “mid” size and shape, it feels like a good do it all wheel. Hit some slappies, wheels felt like they were locking in.

Really don’t understand why spitfire isn’t producing more radial options.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on April 17, 2022, 11:25:02 AM
101 radials in 52 54 58 this fall...

black tho  :-[

lock ins 99 returning finally too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on April 17, 2022, 11:32:34 AM
101 radials in 52 54 58 this fall...

black tho  :-[

lock ins 99 returning finally too

52 radials in 101, sounds ideal. I’ve been into 52 conical fulls in 101. Wider good, for me, above 54-55, bad.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on April 17, 2022, 12:33:52 PM
Put the Oski Formula four 55mm radials on my board, first session was good. Between the sort of “mid” size and shape, it feels like a good do it all wheel. Hit some slappies, wheels felt like they were locking in.

Really don’t understand why spitfire isn’t producing more radial options.

Skating the same wheels right now and loving them.  I think they’re probably the best all-purpose Spitfire shape.  I’m on the road to going back to skating the classic shape after a couple years on wider wheels and these have seamlessly bridged the gap. 
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Post by: IpathCats on April 17, 2022, 01:14:55 PM
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Put the Oski Formula four 55mm radials on my board, first session was good. Between the sort of “mid” size and shape, it feels like a good do it all wheel. Hit some slappies, wheels felt like they were locking in.

Really don’t understand why spitfire isn’t producing more radial options.
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Skating the same wheels right now and loving them.  I think they’re probably the best all-purpose Spitfire shape.  I’m on the road to going back to skating the classic shape after a couple years on wider wheels and these have seamlessly bridged the gap.

56 or larger, classics. 55 or smaller, radials.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 17, 2022, 02:45:46 PM
Classic Fulls please. Have the 52 and 54 best all around shape.
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Post by: Ok on April 17, 2022, 03:01:44 PM
Classic Fulls please. Have the 52 and 54 best all around shape.

I’ve never seen these in person, but now, thanks to you, I wanna find these. Classics have always been my preference, and I know they’ll work. I made the mistake of trying conical fulls in 56 mm. Too beast. I’m currently stoked on 52 conical fulls. Basically a small, wide wheel is what I currently want.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 17, 2022, 04:16:49 PM
They’re basically like if you broke in and wore down wheel that is 2mm bigger. So a 52 is like a worn in 54 and the 54 is a worn in 56. A bit better on rough ground than Classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on April 18, 2022, 12:52:28 AM
Classic Fulls please. Have the 52 and 54 best all around shape.
no classic fulls scheduled for this summer or fall prebooks so far, so stock up while theres some sets of the repeaters ones floating around
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mamba on April 18, 2022, 12:57:51 AM
What do you guys like shape wise for transition? Not talking vert, but like mini, bowl, diy stuff. i’ve literally skated only formula 4 classic 55s for the last 3 years. i’m pretty set on the size, but interested in the benefit of a different wheel shape.
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Post by: listentoaheartbeat on April 18, 2022, 01:22:03 AM
What do you guys like shape wise for transition? Not talking vert, but like mini, bowl, diy stuff. i’ve literally skated only formula 4 classic 55s for the last 3 years. i’m pretty set on the size, but interested in the benefit of a different wheel shape.

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There are almost too many options if people are not sure, but the rounder edge will be easier on everything and not stick so much when on coping or edges the way the Conical Full and squared shapes tend to do [...].
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I feel conical/square vs. rounded on coping is the most noticeable difference between the shapes. Personally, I prefer the solid lock in of Conical Fulls over Classics when skating transition. My grinds are noticeably faster and longer with Classics, however I need to focus on locking in much more and still wipe out from time to time. Therefore my confidence to go faster in the first place is higher with Conical Fulls.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 18, 2022, 02:35:49 AM
What do you guys like shape wise for transition? Not talking vert, but like mini, bowl, diy stuff. i’ve literally skated only formula 4 classic 55s for the last 3 years. i’m pretty set on the size, but interested in the benefit of a different wheel shape.

General wisdom seems to be...

Conical:
Harder to get into grinds/stalls, harder to get out. A more secure lock, but can cause hang ups. More friction/drag during grinds that may slow you down. More stable.

Radial:
Easier to get into grinds, easier to get out. A less secure lock, that can cause slip outs. Less friction/drag during grinds that let you grind a bit further.

Radial shape should let you ride over things sideways/diagonally better than Conical due to the more gradual sides, just like how it helps you pop over coping for grinds. Conical are less likely to tip over than radial, so are seen as "more stable".

Hopefully that helps.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 18, 2022, 02:53:07 AM
Lock-ins in 99 are coming back?! Oh i hope that is true. I never came around to trying them.

I am currently on 52mm conicals. The standard conicals, but they were old stock from a shop I think.
But so far I like them. And I think 52mm is my preferred size nowadays.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 18, 2022, 04:24:21 AM
What do you guys like shape wise for transition? Not talking vert, but like mini, bowl, diy stuff. i’ve literally skated only formula 4 classic 55s for the last 3 years. i’m pretty set on the size, but interested in the benefit of a different wheel shape.


Definitely a lot of info out there and good answers so far on that.

Personally I think you have the best of both worlds with 55mm classics.

They are just wide enough to be in the "wider wheel" variety which you usually only get with bigger wheels and when they wear down to about 52mm they are still wide, ever so slightly rounded but have a significant contact patch.

When the Conical Full and similar wheels get down to that size, they get quite sharp on the edges and need to be rounded off or are more prone to chipping or not holding their shape (or holding you on coping).

That is why I like the 56mm and 58mm classics, but I get quite a few sets that are already worn down from others when they want to upgrade to new wheels, so I am set for pretty much the perfect size and shape that I want, without having to do all the wearing down from new.


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What size do you skate them til though?   Are you a skate them until you have had enough kind of guy, or until the wheels feel too small, down a couple of mm, etc?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: typeischeap on April 18, 2022, 05:35:03 AM
I know not everyone likes black wheels but apparently I have a thing for them...working on my miniramp pivot game recently so conical/full works for me.

I buy too much skateboard shit. Sorry.

(https://i.ibb.co/x8F3Qrt/PXL-20220417-234828194.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x8F3Qrt)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on April 18, 2022, 08:23:45 AM
What do you guys like shape wise for transition? Not talking vert, but like mini, bowl, diy stuff. i’ve literally skated only formula 4 classic 55s for the last 3 years. i’m pretty set on the size, but interested in the benefit of a different wheel shape.

I like the OG classics. The shape is good for locking in to grinds. They’ve got a good sized contact patch but are not crazy wide like the conical full/radial full. Classics scare me on transition with their narrow contact patch. I personally ride the 58mm on everything, but if you’re not riding vert the 55mm would be a good all around size.

I’ve never tried radials, but they seem like they would be good for transition too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on April 18, 2022, 08:59:42 AM
What do you guys like shape wise for transition? Not talking vert, but like mini, bowl, diy stuff. i’ve literally skated only formula 4 classic 55s for the last 3 years. i’m pretty set on the size, but interested in the benefit of a different wheel shape.

I just started riding the 55mm Oski Radials and they feel great so far. Perfect blend of classic and conical, and I think they're positioning them as a transition wheel since they're offering them more in larger sizes. I would say they're definitely worth a shot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on April 18, 2022, 09:42:11 AM
What do you guys like shape wise for transition? Not talking vert, but like mini, bowl, diy stuff. i’ve literally skated only formula 4 classic 55s for the last 3 years. i’m pretty set on the size, but interested in the benefit of a different wheel shape.

Conical full has worked out for me the best so far.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on April 18, 2022, 09:48:09 AM
Some days conical full feels like a monster truck mowing over everything and some days feels like a boat. Haven’t ridden them yet but I got 55mm OG Classics to bring the clunk down. Had one bad experience with a 53mm Radial unlocking on coping that sent head to concrete and now they’re cursed. Got a second hand set of coned 53-55mm Classic Fulls that would probably be the best.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on April 18, 2022, 09:54:43 AM
Why does Spitfire bother producing shapes they have no intention of producing regularly?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on April 18, 2022, 10:49:04 AM
damn, Spitfire got no love for the small wheel skaters, 51mm is the smallest they've got and that's a one-model rollover from last catalog. Don't they know curb skating is hot right now? 
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Post by: Richard Skidder on April 18, 2022, 11:03:39 AM
damn, Spitfire got no love for the small wheel skaters, 51mm is the smallest they've got and that's a one-model rollover from last catalog. Don't they know curb skating is hot right now?

What’s the advantage of a smaller wheel for curb skating? I’ve been skating a lot more curbs lately and started wanting to go down to 52mm (coming from a 54-55). Not sure why I’m wanting to go smaller, just instinctively I guess.
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Post by: listentoaheartbeat on April 18, 2022, 11:11:05 AM
damn, Spitfire got no love for the small wheel skaters, 51mm is the smallest they've got and that's a one-model rollover from last catalog. Don't they know curb skating is hot right now?

Lil Smokies are F4 and are available in 48-50 mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on April 18, 2022, 11:15:28 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/xSdfKvZ/5-BFCD1-C1-C92-B-4-CD2-B267-B6989-BC7698-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xSdfKvZ)
After testing on a set of factory second NFG’s, the next time I need new wheels I’m just going to get conical fulls in the right diameter and shave the edges down with an angle grinder
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Post by: Frank and Fred on April 18, 2022, 12:02:47 PM
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damn, Spitfire got no love for the small wheel skaters, 51mm is the smallest they've got and that's a one-model rollover from last catalog. Don't they know curb skating is hot right now?
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What’s the advantage of a smaller wheel for curb skating? I’ve been skating a lot more curbs lately and started wanting to go down to 52mm (coming from a 54-55). Not sure why I’m wanting to go smaller, just instinctively I guess.

Less wheel usually means more hanger.
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Post by: Richard Skidder on April 18, 2022, 01:30:56 PM
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damn, Spitfire got no love for the small wheel skaters, 51mm is the smallest they've got and that's a one-model rollover from last catalog. Don't they know curb skating is hot right now?
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What’s the advantage of a smaller wheel for curb skating? I’ve been skating a lot more curbs lately and started wanting to go down to 52mm (coming from a 54-55). Not sure why I’m wanting to go smaller, just instinctively I guess.
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Less wheel usually means more hanger.

Makes sense. Gets into the meat of the hanger better too I assume.
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Post by: FuzzGNU on April 18, 2022, 01:50:13 PM
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damn, Spitfire got no love for the small wheel skaters, 51mm is the smallest they've got and that's a one-model rollover from last catalog. Don't they know curb skating is hot right now?
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What’s the advantage of a smaller wheel for curb skating? I’ve been skating a lot more curbs lately and started wanting to go down to 52mm (coming from a 54-55). Not sure why I’m wanting to go smaller, just instinctively I guess.
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Less wheel usually means more hanger.

There are skinny wheels with large diameters, and vice versa. I'm guessing this person prefers small diameter to get in and out of locks easier? Maybe for more sorta "curb dancing" type skating where you are going between different grind locks? Who knows...
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Post by: kneebone on April 18, 2022, 04:08:54 PM
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Lil Smokies are F4 and are available in 48-50 mm.
these are long gone anywhere in the US tho

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What’s the advantage of a smaller wheel for curb skating? I’ve been skating a lot more curbs lately and started wanting to go down to 52mm (coming from a 54-55). Not sure why I’m wanting to go smaller, just instinctively I guess.
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Less wheel usually means more hanger.
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There are skinny wheels with large diameters, and vice versa. I'm guessing this person prefers small diameter to get in and out of locks easier? Maybe for more sorta "curb dancing" type skating where you are going between different grind locks? Who knows...
I don't know about any actual functional advantage of small wheels and curb skating, I was just referring to the concept of small wheels being the predominant style when curb skating was also at it's peak in the early-mid-90s.  I personally prefer small wheels because they limit the weight on my otherwise oversized/overweight setup (8.75/159s) and if i'm just skating curbs I'm not really looking for maximum speed.  Edit: and yeah, I love a noseslide/nosegrind combo so I guess smaller wheels help with that 
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Post by: beandemon on April 18, 2022, 04:41:52 PM
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What’s the advantage of a smaller wheel for curb skating? I’ve been skating a lot more curbs lately and started wanting to go down to 52mm (coming from a 54-55). Not sure why I’m wanting to go smaller, just instinctively I guess.
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Less wheel usually means more hanger.
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There are skinny wheels with large diameters, and vice versa. I'm guessing this person prefers small diameter to get in and out of locks easier? Maybe for more sorta "curb dancing" type skating where you are going between different grind locks? Who knows...

Easy curb shuffle has been my understanding. Maybe more clearance for board/tail/nose slides on lower curbs too? 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 18, 2022, 05:38:53 PM
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What’s the advantage of a smaller wheel for curb skating? I’ve been skating a lot more curbs lately and started wanting to go down to 52mm (coming from a 54-55). Not sure why I’m wanting to go smaller, just instinctively I guess.
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Less wheel usually means more hanger.
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There are skinny wheels with large diameters, and vice versa. I'm guessing this person prefers small diameter to get in and out of locks easier? Maybe for more sorta "curb dancing" type skating where you are going between different grind locks? Who knows...
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Easy curb shuffle has been my understanding. Maybe more clearance for board/tail/nose slides on lower curbs too? 

I find it much easier to say, go from a front 5-0 - pivot- to switch ng with a smaller 'classic' shape; something like a tablet is much harder. It's a trade off tho, small classics slip the fuck out a ton, round wheel, round curb/coping but they're easier to get up and on; bigger round wheels aren't as bad as the larger diameter means a larger sidewall.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 18, 2022, 06:45:48 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/xSdfKvZ/5-BFCD1-C1-C92-B-4-CD2-B267-B6989-BC7698-C.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xSdfKvZ)
After testing on a set of factory second NFG’s, the next time I need new wheels I’m just going to get conical fulls in the right diameter and shave the edges down with an angle grinder


Yes!!!

Once you get the hang of it, the process is super easy and you can "round off" any wheel to make them easier to get in and out of things, especially older wheels that have sharper edges.

Conical Full wheels from new have quite a good side edge on them, but once worn down a few mm, I take the angle grinder to them and make them a lot more rounded, while still keeping a wide surface area, which is a win win.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 22, 2022, 05:09:07 AM
Alright. Radial Fulls F4 56mm 99a.

After skating them for a couple weeks now, I'm realizing they are just a bit too bulky and heavy. I think the wheel would fill a better niche if they were 97a instead of 99a. As it is, its a huge bulky wheel that still struggles with crusty streets, which is my main gripe. Not quite the ATV wheels I was hoping for.

I thought the pure massiveness would help overcome its hardness on crusty streets, but I was wrong. The streets my F4 97a and STF 99a can handle, these things can't. Its more a complaint about F4 99a (and my neighborhood) than anything, but I just wanted to give a heads up. Its just frustrating how often I find myself walking board in hand because they can't handle the streets my other wheels can.

I do love the confidence they give me for riding up/over things. They've done a great job in regards to cracks, riding up curbs, and skating weirdly shaped shit... any "obstacles" aside from bumpy streets. It feels like I've got monster truck wheels at times which definitely instills confidence to just go for shit.

They're really nice on smooth terrain. I think my favorite thing about them is I'm rarely afraid of them slipping out, but they still have a controllable slide for practical purposes. I feel confident they won't slip out on me while hill bombing, yet they're not too grippy to revert and speed check.

Not a bad wheel at all but compared to the excitement I had, I'm feeling a bit let down. On top of this, one of the wheels has a bit of a lateral wobble, which I've heard other people complain about with this batch. Maybe the bearing holes aren't sized properly or something, I'm not sure. I've also had a couple chunks come out of the wheel just from pebbles, which I didn't know happened to 99a+ wheels? One of them is a small/medium chunk that is fairly deep on the riding surface. Definitely the biggest chunk I've had in a wheel. Not even my softer F4 97a Conical Full ever chunked like this.

+ Can skate confidently due to shape and riding patch width. Feels like monster truck wheels in a good way
+ Good grip but still slide
+/- These things are massive, definitely the largest street wheel I've skated (or seen in person)
+/- Can extend the width of your trucks by a bit if you throw on an extra washer or two on the inside of the wheels.
- Bulky and heavy
- Despite size, aren't going to handle shitty streets very well
- QC issues and chunking?

8/10. I'd probably rate them higher if I wasn't living somewhere with such shitty streets. Good wheel, but they are definitely wider and heavier than Conical Fulls. Keep in mind these are not only wider, but also have a convex side slightly adding weight rather than a concave conical cut side slightly reducing weight. The radial shape has many benefits, but its worth keeping in mind that slight weight difference since we're talking about a wheel that is so wide and tall.

I have my eyes on some OG Classics next time around. I'm going to push my luck with wheelbite and try the 58mm. Definitely seems like it will be a more manageable wheel shape without the diminishing returns of bulk and weight that a Radial wheel gives you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on April 22, 2022, 05:50:58 AM
Alright. Radial Fulls F4 56mm 99a.

After skating them for a couple weeks now, I'm realizing they are just a bit too bulky and heavy. I think the wheel would fill a better niche if they were 97a instead of 99a. As it is, its a huge bulky wheel that still struggles with crusty streets, which is my main gripe. Not quite the ATV wheels I was hoping for.

I thought the pure massiveness would help overcome its hardness on crusty streets, but I was wrong. The streets my F4 97a and STF 99a can handle, these things can't. Its more a complaint about F4 99a (and my neighborhood) than anything, but I just wanted to give a heads up. Its just frustrating how often I find myself walking board in hand because they can't handle the streets my other wheels can.

I do love the confidence they give me for riding up/over things. They've done a great job in regards to cracks, riding up curbs, and skating weirdly shaped shit... any "obstacles" aside from bumpy streets. It feels like I've got monster truck wheels at times which definitely instills confidence to just go for shit.

They're really nice on smooth terrain. I think my favorite thing about them is I'm rarely afraid of them slipping out, but they still have a controllable slide for practical purposes. I feel confident they won't slip out on me while hill bombing, yet they're not too grippy to revert and speed check.

Not a bad wheel at all but compared to the excitement I had, I'm feeling a bit let down. On top of this, one of the wheels has a bit of a lateral wobble, which I've heard other people complain about with this batch. Maybe the bearing holes aren't sized properly or something, I'm not sure. I've also had a couple chunks come out of the wheel just from pebbles, which I didn't know happened to 99a+ wheels? One of them is a small/medium chunk that is fairly deep on the riding surface. Definitely the biggest chunk I've had in a wheel. Not even my softer F4 97a Conical Full ever chunked like this.

+ Can skate confidently due to shape and riding patch width. Feels like monster truck wheels in a good way
+ Good grip but still slide
+/- These things are massive, definitely the largest street wheel I've skated (or seen in person)
+/- Can extend the width of your trucks by a bit if you throw on an extra washer or two on the inside of the wheels.
- Bulky and heavy
- Despite size, aren't going to handle shitty streets very well
- QC issues and chunking?

8/10. I'd probably rate them higher if I wasn't living somewhere with such shitty streets. Good wheel, but they are definitely wider and heavier than Conical Fulls. Keep in mind these are not only wider, but also have a convex side slightly adding weight rather than a concave conical cut side slightly reducing weight. The radial shape has many benefits, but its worth keeping in mind that slight weight difference since we're talking about a wheel that is so wide and tall.

I have my eyes on some OG Classics next time around. I'm going to push my luck with wheelbite and try the 58mm. Definitely seems like it will be a more manageable wheel shape without the diminishing returns of bulk and weight that a Radial wheel gives you.

Nice review.  Skated the radial fulls for two or three months and feel pretty similar.  I thought they felt good riding (very fast feel) and both rolled up into slappies and locked into grinds well.  I retired them figuring that they’re going to continue to widen as they wear down to a certain extent so I feel like they’re not a good long term wheel to commit to for an entire year or so cause you’ll end up with an insanely wide but small wheel.  I grabbed some regular radials in a smaller size and plan to skate those for a while figuring they’ll wear into a nice shape over time. 

In terms of the OG classics, other than looking cool I don’t think they are necessarily better at anything than Conical Fulls.  They aren’t as wide as conical fulls (AFAIK) and are a little less rounded so they seem less versatile.  I had the 58s last year.  Certainly not a bad wheel but I’m not sure what niche they fill.  They do look sick though - especially seeing T-Funk skate them in footage. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 22, 2022, 07:08:06 AM
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Alright. Radial Fulls F4 56mm 99a.

After skating them for a couple weeks now, I'm realizing they are just a bit too bulky and heavy. I think the wheel would fill a better niche if they were 97a instead of 99a. As it is, its a huge bulky wheel that still struggles with crusty streets, which is my main gripe. Not quite the ATV wheels I was hoping for.

I thought the pure massiveness would help overcome its hardness on crusty streets, but I was wrong. The streets my F4 97a and STF 99a can handle, these things can't. Its more a complaint about F4 99a (and my neighborhood) than anything, but I just wanted to give a heads up. Its just frustrating how often I find myself walking board in hand because they can't handle the streets my other wheels can.

I do love the confidence they give me for riding up/over things. They've done a great job in regards to cracks, riding up curbs, and skating weirdly shaped shit... any "obstacles" aside from bumpy streets. It feels like I've got monster truck wheels at times which definitely instills confidence to just go for shit.

They're really nice on smooth terrain. I think my favorite thing about them is I'm rarely afraid of them slipping out, but they still have a controllable slide for practical purposes. I feel confident they won't slip out on me while hill bombing, yet they're not too grippy to revert and speed check.

Not a bad wheel at all but compared to the excitement I had, I'm feeling a bit let down. On top of this, one of the wheels has a bit of a lateral wobble, which I've heard other people complain about with this batch. Maybe the bearing holes aren't sized properly or something, I'm not sure. I've also had a couple chunks come out of the wheel just from pebbles, which I didn't know happened to 99a+ wheels? One of them is a small/medium chunk that is fairly deep on the riding surface. Definitely the biggest chunk I've had in a wheel. Not even my softer F4 97a Conical Full ever chunked like this.

+ Can skate confidently due to shape and riding patch width. Feels like monster truck wheels in a good way
+ Good grip but still slide
+/- These things are massive, definitely the largest street wheel I've skated (or seen in person)
+/- Can extend the width of your trucks by a bit if you throw on an extra washer or two on the inside of the wheels.
- Bulky and heavy
- Despite size, aren't going to handle shitty streets very well
- QC issues and chunking?

8/10. I'd probably rate them higher if I wasn't living somewhere with such shitty streets. Good wheel, but they are definitely wider and heavier than Conical Fulls. Keep in mind these are not only wider, but also have a convex side slightly adding weight rather than a concave conical cut side slightly reducing weight. The radial shape has many benefits, but its worth keeping in mind that slight weight difference since we're talking about a wheel that is so wide and tall.

I have my eyes on some OG Classics next time around. I'm going to push my luck with wheelbite and try the 58mm. Definitely seems like it will be a more manageable wheel shape without the diminishing returns of bulk and weight that a Radial wheel gives you.
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Nice review.  Skated the radial fulls for two or three months and feel pretty similar.  I thought they felt good riding (very fast feel) and both rolled up into slappies and locked into grinds well.  I retired them figuring that they’re going to continue to widen as they wear down to a certain extent so I feel like they’re not a good long term wheel to commit to for an entire year or so cause you’ll end up with an insanely wide but small wheel.  I grabbed some regular radials in a smaller size and plan to skate those for a while figuring they’ll wear into a nice shape over time. 

In terms of the OG classics, other than looking cool I don’t think they are necessarily better at anything than Conical Fulls.  They aren’t as wide as conical fulls (AFAIK) and are a little less rounded so they seem less versatile.  I had the 58s last year.  Certainly not a bad wheel but I’m not sure what niche they fill.  They do look sick though - especially seeing T-Funk skate them in footage.

Ah thanks a ton, I appreciate your insight.

Yeah, T Funk even rides the red 60mm I noticed. I like looser trucks and don't want to raise my board any higher, so that's a no go for me. I might regret 58mm as is.

The OGs look so sick, but we seem to have similar taste in wheels, so I'll keep you words in mind. I could definitely see them losing their optimal shape a lot quicker than other shapes.

Did you find there was any benefits of the Radials over Conical Full or nah?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on April 22, 2022, 08:19:57 AM
Alright. Radial Fulls F4 56mm 99a.

After skating them for a couple weeks now, I'm realizing they are just a bit too bulky and heavy. I think the wheel would fill a better niche if they were 97a instead of 99a. As it is, its a huge bulky wheel that still struggles with crusty streets, which is my main gripe. Not quite the ATV wheels I was hoping for.

I thought the pure massiveness would help overcome its hardness on crusty streets, but I was wrong. The streets my F4 97a and STF 99a can handle, these things can't. Its more a complaint about F4 99a (and my neighborhood) than anything, but I just wanted to give a heads up. Its just frustrating how often I find myself walking board in hand because they can't handle the streets my other wheels can.

I do love the confidence they give me for riding up/over things. They've done a great job in regards to cracks, riding up curbs, and skating weirdly shaped shit... any "obstacles" aside from bumpy streets. It feels like I've got monster truck wheels at times which definitely instills confidence to just go for shit.

They're really nice on smooth terrain. I think my favorite thing about them is I'm rarely afraid of them slipping out, but they still have a controllable slide for practical purposes. I feel confident they won't slip out on me while hill bombing, yet they're not too grippy to revert and speed check.

Not a bad wheel at all but compared to the excitement I had, I'm feeling a bit let down. On top of this, one of the wheels has a bit of a lateral wobble, which I've heard other people complain about with this batch. Maybe the bearing holes aren't sized properly or something, I'm not sure. I've also had a couple chunks come out of the wheel just from pebbles, which I didn't know happened to 99a+ wheels? One of them is a small/medium chunk that is fairly deep on the riding surface. Definitely the biggest chunk I've had in a wheel. Not even my softer F4 97a Conical Full ever chunked like this.

+ Can skate confidently due to shape and riding patch width. Feels like monster truck wheels in a good way
+ Good grip but still slide
+/- These things are massive, definitely the largest street wheel I've skated (or seen in person)
+/- Can extend the width of your trucks by a bit if you throw on an extra washer or two on the inside of the wheels.
- Bulky and heavy
- Despite size, aren't going to handle shitty streets very well
- QC issues and chunking?

8/10. I'd probably rate them higher if I wasn't living somewhere with such shitty streets. Good wheel, but they are definitely wider and heavier than Conical Fulls. Keep in mind these are not only wider, but also have a convex side slightly adding weight rather than a concave conical cut side slightly reducing weight. The radial shape has many benefits, but its worth keeping in mind that slight weight difference since we're talking about a wheel that is so wide and tall.

I have my eyes on some OG Classics next time around. I'm going to push my luck with wheelbite and try the 58mm. Definitely seems like it will be a more manageable wheel shape without the diminishing returns of bulk and weight that a Radial wheel gives you.

Great review. I'm a couple weeks into the 55mm 99du Radials (Oski's wheel) and it might be my favorite wheel so far. I've never ridden the full version of any of the wheels though, they end up looking like monster trucks wheels to me. Looking forward to your classic review!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spanyard on April 22, 2022, 09:56:16 AM
Alright. Radial Fulls F4 56mm 99a.

After skating them for a couple weeks now, I'm realizing they are just a bit too bulky and heavy. I think the wheel would fill a better niche if they were 97a instead of 99a. As it is, its a huge bulky wheel that still struggles with crusty streets, which is my main gripe. Not quite the ATV wheels I was hoping for.

I thought the pure massiveness would help overcome its hardness on crusty streets, but I was wrong. The streets my F4 97a and STF 99a can handle, these things can't. Its more a complaint about F4 99a (and my neighborhood) than anything, but I just wanted to give a heads up. Its just frustrating how often I find myself walking board in hand because they can't handle the streets my other wheels can.

I do love the confidence they give me for riding up/over things. They've done a great job in regards to cracks, riding up curbs, and skating weirdly shaped shit... any "obstacles" aside from bumpy streets. It feels like I've got monster truck wheels at times which definitely instills confidence to just go for shit.

They're really nice on smooth terrain. I think my favorite thing about them is I'm rarely afraid of them slipping out, but they still have a controllable slide for practical purposes. I feel confident they won't slip out on me while hill bombing, yet they're not too grippy to revert and speed check.

Not a bad wheel at all but compared to the excitement I had, I'm feeling a bit let down. On top of this, one of the wheels has a bit of a lateral wobble, which I've heard other people complain about with this batch. Maybe the bearing holes aren't sized properly or something, I'm not sure. I've also had a couple chunks come out of the wheel just from pebbles, which I didn't know happened to 99a+ wheels? One of them is a small/medium chunk that is fairly deep on the riding surface. Definitely the biggest chunk I've had in a wheel. Not even my softer F4 97a Conical Full ever chunked like this.

+ Can skate confidently due to shape and riding patch width. Feels like monster truck wheels in a good way
+ Good grip but still slide
+/- These things are massive, definitely the largest street wheel I've skated (or seen in person)
+/- Can extend the width of your trucks by a bit if you throw on an extra washer or two on the inside of the wheels.
- Bulky and heavy
- Despite size, aren't going to handle shitty streets very well
- QC issues and chunking?

8/10. I'd probably rate them higher if I wasn't living somewhere with such shitty streets. Good wheel, but they are definitely wider and heavier than Conical Fulls. Keep in mind these are not only wider, but also have a convex side slightly adding weight rather than a concave conical cut side slightly reducing weight. The radial shape has many benefits, but its worth keeping in mind that slight weight difference since we're talking about a wheel that is so wide and tall.

I have my eyes on some OG Classics next time around. I'm going to push my luck with wheelbite and try the 58mm. Definitely seems like it will be a more manageable wheel shape without the diminishing returns of bulk and weight that a Radial wheel gives you.

I had the Kader full rads 58s, and came away with the same sentiment as you.  Switched them up with F4 classic 55s 99s.  Much easier to get into slappies and less contact width.  Also slimmer, doesn't make your kit look like vroom vroom Fisher Price My First Tractor.

edit: the drawback to the classics is yes can get into those sharp angle curb slap better, but they can slip out easier cuz of the fully rounded corners on them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on April 22, 2022, 11:33:15 AM
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Alright. Radial Fulls F4 56mm 99a.

After skating them for a couple weeks now, I'm realizing they are just a bit too bulky and heavy. I think the wheel would fill a better niche if they were 97a instead of 99a. As it is, its a huge bulky wheel that still struggles with crusty streets, which is my main gripe. Not quite the ATV wheels I was hoping for.

I thought the pure massiveness would help overcome its hardness on crusty streets, but I was wrong. The streets my F4 97a and STF 99a can handle, these things can't. Its more a complaint about F4 99a (and my neighborhood) than anything, but I just wanted to give a heads up. Its just frustrating how often I find myself walking board in hand because they can't handle the streets my other wheels can.

I do love the confidence they give me for riding up/over things. They've done a great job in regards to cracks, riding up curbs, and skating weirdly shaped shit... any "obstacles" aside from bumpy streets. It feels like I've got monster truck wheels at times which definitely instills confidence to just go for shit.

They're really nice on smooth terrain. I think my favorite thing about them is I'm rarely afraid of them slipping out, but they still have a controllable slide for practical purposes. I feel confident they won't slip out on me while hill bombing, yet they're not too grippy to revert and speed check.

Not a bad wheel at all but compared to the excitement I had, I'm feeling a bit let down. On top of this, one of the wheels has a bit of a lateral wobble, which I've heard other people complain about with this batch. Maybe the bearing holes aren't sized properly or something, I'm not sure. I've also had a couple chunks come out of the wheel just from pebbles, which I didn't know happened to 99a+ wheels? One of them is a small/medium chunk that is fairly deep on the riding surface. Definitely the biggest chunk I've had in a wheel. Not even my softer F4 97a Conical Full ever chunked like this.

+ Can skate confidently due to shape and riding patch width. Feels like monster truck wheels in a good way
+ Good grip but still slide
+/- These things are massive, definitely the largest street wheel I've skated (or seen in person)
+/- Can extend the width of your trucks by a bit if you throw on an extra washer or two on the inside of the wheels.
- Bulky and heavy
- Despite size, aren't going to handle shitty streets very well
- QC issues and chunking?

8/10. I'd probably rate them higher if I wasn't living somewhere with such shitty streets. Good wheel, but they are definitely wider and heavier than Conical Fulls. Keep in mind these are not only wider, but also have a convex side slightly adding weight rather than a concave conical cut side slightly reducing weight. The radial shape has many benefits, but its worth keeping in mind that slight weight difference since we're talking about a wheel that is so wide and tall.

I have my eyes on some OG Classics next time around. I'm going to push my luck with wheelbite and try the 58mm. Definitely seems like it will be a more manageable wheel shape without the diminishing returns of bulk and weight that a Radial wheel gives you.
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Nice review.  Skated the radial fulls for two or three months and feel pretty similar.  I thought they felt good riding (very fast feel) and both rolled up into slappies and locked into grinds well.  I retired them figuring that they’re going to continue to widen as they wear down to a certain extent so I feel like they’re not a good long term wheel to commit to for an entire year or so cause you’ll end up with an insanely wide but small wheel.  I grabbed some regular radials in a smaller size and plan to skate those for a while figuring they’ll wear into a nice shape over time. 

In terms of the OG classics, other than looking cool I don’t think they are necessarily better at anything than Conical Fulls.  They aren’t as wide as conical fulls (AFAIK) and are a little less rounded so they seem less versatile.  I had the 58s last year.  Certainly not a bad wheel but I’m not sure what niche they fill.  They do look sick though - especially seeing T-Funk skate them in footage.
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Ah thanks a ton, I appreciate your insight.

Yeah, T Funk even rides the red 60mm I noticed. I like looser trucks and don't want to raise my board any higher, so that's a no go for me. I might regret 58mm as is.

The OGs look so sick, but we seem to have similar taste in wheels, so I'll keep you words in mind. I could definitely see them losing their optimal shape a lot quicker than other shapes.

Did you find there was any benefits of the Radials over Conical Full or nah?

Actually yeah.  I’ve been completely pleasantly surprised by the radials.  Never had them before.  I feel like Spitfire stumbled upon the perfect contact patch width with the regular radials where they somehow handle rough ground about as well as conical fulls or OG classics while also being a slimmer, lighter overall wheel with a more rounded edge.  I thought the drop-off in overall rideability would be really noticeable going from 57 mm radial fulls to 55 mm radials but I inexplicably like them better.  The set I have currently chipped really bad on one wheel which is kind of annoying but that will smooth out eventually. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 22, 2022, 05:32:51 PM
Radials are the best shape in my opinion but they are kinda tank.

I like my conical full 56s but I prefer the og classic in 58. The purple swirl holds mad weight in my mind. The conical full graphic is meh.

Probably just going to 60mm classic next time I buy spit. Unless I see orange wheels then nothing else matters to me so long as it’s f4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: texasplant on April 22, 2022, 11:29:28 PM
Are Classic fulls a continued shaped? I've recently put my Grosso Classic Fulls on, but I have a hard time sticking to something if I can't keep buying it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on April 22, 2022, 11:34:25 PM
Are Classic fulls a continued shaped? I've recently put my Grosso Classic Fulls on, but I have a hard time sticking to something if I can't keep buying it.
they are not in prebooks for summer or fall, so scoop some of the repeater ones while you can

also, @uncle flea im sure ur aware but there are orange 54 99 tablets circulating still from 2 or 3 seasons ago
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 23, 2022, 02:05:52 AM
Are Classic fulls a continued shaped? I've recently put my Grosso Classic Fulls on, but I have a hard time sticking to something if I can't keep buying it.


It is a bit of a struggle to find more if you don't stock up when they are around, with nothing in the 56 or 58 mm sizes yet, but they are a fairly regular release in some form or other.  Grosso wheel, Lance Pro Classic wheel, two other more generic / special collection graphics I can recall in 56 mm in the last few years as well - Ransom series and Overlay series.

What size did you have or do you prefer?


My go to is the 56 mm Classic Full shape, but I have been riding a lot of others including even just the normal classic and being happy enough too, especially when they have worn down a mm or so.

Radials in 55 or 57 mm are also a good wheel and similar in overall performance, especially the 57 mm size, of which there are still a number out there.

Lastly the Classics in 60 mm x 39 mm with 21.5 mm contact are maybe the closest to the 58 mm Classic Full shape, if you could deal with a slightly bigger wheel to start with, so I would recommend that wheel as a good one too.  They are still in normal production and still available here in Australia, as well as in quite a few other shops worldwide.

A few options anyway.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on April 23, 2022, 09:10:26 AM
I  have some old 54mm classic f4s That are about 52 now. Has anyone used a countersink tool to concave the side so it’s like a V5 or a conical? As long as I don’t go in far enough it doesn’t mess up wear the bearing seats it should be fine right?
Also if it works I’m kinda debating on taking tablets.l and making a narrow lock in. Leave the inside of the tablet alone and on the out side counter sink it so it’s concave and then round the edges a bit. I have all the tools at work. I just gotta make some sort of jig to hold the wheels but also I can just use a drill press for the counter sink and be fine to I think.  How dumb is this? @Mbrimson88  thoughts?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Boog on April 23, 2022, 02:14:20 PM
I  have some old 54mm classic f4s That are about 52 now. Has anyone used a countersink tool to concave the side so it’s like a V5 or a conical? As long as I don’t go in far enough it doesn’t mess up wear the bearing seats it should be fine right?
Also if it works I’m kinda debating on taking tablets.l and making a narrow lock in. Leave the inside of the tablet alone and on the out side counter sink it so it’s concave and then round the edges a bit. I have all the tools at work. I just gotta make some sort of jig to hold the wheels but also I can just use a drill press for the counter sink and be fine to I think.  How dumb is this? @Mbrimson88  thoughts?
Sounds like alot of work when you could just buy v5s or conical wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on April 23, 2022, 07:25:18 PM
what size should i get the 60mm radial fulls down to before selling them? i managed to get them down to 57-58mm. i’m sorta sick of them and wanna get back on the 60mm classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 23, 2022, 11:01:32 PM
I  have some old 54mm classic f4s That are about 52 now. Has anyone used a countersink tool to concave the side so it’s like a V5 or a conical? As long as I don’t go in far enough it doesn’t mess up wear the bearing seats it should be fine right?
Also if it works I’m kinda debating on taking tablets.l and making a narrow lock in. Leave the inside of the tablet alone and on the out side counter sink it so it’s concave and then round the edges a bit. I have all the tools at work. I just gotta make some sort of jig to hold the wheels but also I can just use a drill press for the counter sink and be fine to I think.  How dumb is this? @Mbrimson88  thoughts?


That could be fun!


For size and shape, Lock Ins are one side Tablet and the other side Conical Full, so Tablets are really just narrow double sided Lock Ins right from new.

OG Classics are more of the cutaway shape than anything else, with Conical and Conical Full wheels being the slightly more rounded top edge which makes them a bit more versatile for everything.

Shaping Classics down you can definitely take out a bit more wheel from closer to the bearing seat as they are the widest just there, but I find it easier to just round off the outside edges or flatten the side wall more than cut out the inside area.


Using an angle grinder with a more worn down smaller disc, I could get into the inside area of the wheel fairly well too when I wanted to get rid of the graphic on any wheel from Classics, Conical Full or even Lock Ins, so you could easily take out some of that part of the wheel as well, but more than anything it is about getting the wheel to spin as fast as possible to ensure the material you are taking off is as even as possible across the whole face, side or where ever you are working.

People have used a few different options, including in the clip below, which might be the safest way to change the shape of a wheel, if you had the machine to do it.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CFjeLGPFwzS/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ol Nick on April 25, 2022, 06:59:25 AM
Man, I could watch wheel lathing videos all day.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 25, 2022, 02:39:41 PM
Man, I could watch wheel lathing videos all day.

I thought the same thing.

Also, thank the skate gawds I don't have a lathe as I most certainly would do this shit...allowing my OCD to level up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on April 25, 2022, 05:45:55 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/x7rbXZk/7983-B0-FF-CA69-46-EA-8-EFF-1233-D2-CD879-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x7rbXZk)

(https://i.ibb.co/LrC04m9/8-CAD8575-D215-462-C-88-B5-E7-FB3-F49-E660.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LrC04m9)

I appear to have accidentally purchased the Spitfire Formula Zeros
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: venture5.8 on April 25, 2022, 06:02:36 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/x7rbXZk/7983-B0-FF-CA69-46-EA-8-EFF-1233-D2-CD879-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x7rbXZk)

(https://i.ibb.co/LrC04m9/8-CAD8575-D215-462-C-88-B5-E7-FB3-F49-E660.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LrC04m9)

I appear to have accidentally purchased the Spitfire Formula Zeros

I just had a 2 week pair of formula 4s randomly lose a large chunk on me. Nothing as bad as you just posted but considering they are classic shape it is right on the riding surface
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 25, 2022, 06:23:42 PM
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Man, I could watch wheel lathing videos all day.
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I thought the same thing.

Also, that the skate gawds I don't have a lathe as I most certainly would do this shit...allowing my OCD to level up.


Ha yeah, I don't ever really want to go that far, but I have more fun with an angle grinder with what I have at home, so that is enough.





I appear to have accidentally purchased the Spitfire Formula Zeros


What were you skating when that happened?

Some rough road surface, sharp edged ledge or other type of thing that will take chunks out of any wheel?


Not meaning to come across as nasty, just asking.  I had definitely had a couple of chunks out of wheels from two things that I know will take chunks out of any wheel, no matter which brand or formula, most common one being screws sitting up just a bit on a DIY ledge / box thing and the edges / screws on wooden ramps, but that looks more like bitumen slides or similar.


Either way, you could send pics to DLX and ask them about it.  You might get some more wheels.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on April 25, 2022, 07:18:20 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/x7rbXZk/7983-B0-FF-CA69-46-EA-8-EFF-1233-D2-CD879-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x7rbXZk)

(https://i.ibb.co/LrC04m9/8-CAD8575-D215-462-C-88-B5-E7-FB3-F49-E660.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LrC04m9)

I appear to have accidentally purchased the Spitfire Formula Zeros

Damn, that's wild. That's like downhill wheel levels of chunk. Any idea what caused it?

My F4 99a Radial Fulls had some mild-ish chunking, but nowhere near as bad as that. I was just riding streets, sidewalks, and a tennis court. Must have been done by a pebble.

Between this and the mis-sized bearing openings/wheel wobble, it feels like Spitfire's QC is suffering a bit right now? I know its all anecdotal... but heck, I don't think I've even heard of F4s chunking before.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on April 25, 2022, 07:37:26 PM
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Man, I could watch wheel lathing videos all day.
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I thought the same thing.

Also, that the skate gawds I don't have a lathe as I most certainly would do this shit...allowing my OCD to level up.
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Ha yeah, I don't ever really want to go that far, but I have more fun with an angle grinder with what I have at home, so that is enough.



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I appear to have accidentally purchased the Spitfire Formula Zeros
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What were you skating when that happened?

Some rough road surface, sharp edged ledge or other type of thing that will take chunks out of any wheel?


Not meaning to come across as nasty, just asking.  I had definitely had a couple of chunks out of wheels from two things that I know will take chunks out of any wheel, no matter which brand or formula, most common one being screws sitting up just a bit on a DIY ledge / box thing and the edges / screws on wooden ramps, but that looks more like bitumen slides or similar.


Either way, you could send pics to DLX and ask them about it.  You might get some more wheels.

First big chunk was just from “general skating” (I noticed it skating a parking block in a parking lot).  The insane chunking was from tailsliding a metal edge ledge at a skatepark. Seemed like the loss of integrity from the first chunk was enough to have large pieces tear off in flaps pretty easily. 

Not blaming Spitfire for the extent of the chunking (the almost comical amount was certainly from that ledge) but these do seem somewhat softer and less durable than all of the other F4 wheels I’ve had in the past.  I typically never pay attention to the surfaces I’m skating to avoid this problem with wheels and never have had issues like this with Spitfires before.

Thought it was more amusing than anything else - still only riding F4s in the future and hoping these eventually smooth out (or the next set is a little more durable)… 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2022, 06:15:21 AM


First big chunk was just from “general skating” (I noticed it skating a parking block in a parking lot).  The insane chunking was from tailsliding a metal edge ledge at a skatepark. Seemed like the loss of integrity from the first chunk was enough to have large pieces tear off in flaps pretty easily. 

Not blaming Spitfire for the extent of the chunking (the almost comical amount was certainly from that ledge) but these do seem somewhat softer and less durable than all of the other F4 wheels I’ve had in the past.  I typically never pay attention to the surfaces I’m skating to avoid this problem with wheels and never have had issues like this with Spitfires before.

Thought it was more amusing than anything else - still only riding F4s in the future and hoping these eventually smooth out (or the next set is a little more durable)…


That all makes complete sense.

It does seem like some things have been going a bit funny of late, but I know with every set of the older wheels, things feel a bit more controlled than with brand new sets, straight out of the pack.

Not sure if that is more just me feeling like it doesn't matter if an old well used wheel has issues, more so than a brand new one, but I also feel like wheels just perform a bit better once they have aged a bit as well.

Often I would get the older more weathered looking wheels from skate shops on my travels and they would skate so well for me, but there doesn't seem to be that wait time from production to shop sale now either, so maybe they are a bit "undercooked" if that could even be the word to describe them lately.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on April 26, 2022, 07:10:28 AM
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I  have some old 54mm classic f4s That are about 52 now. Has anyone used a countersink tool to concave the side so it’s like a V5 or a conical? As long as I don’t go in far enough it doesn’t mess up wear the bearing seats it should be fine right?
Also if it works I’m kinda debating on taking tablets.l and making a narrow lock in. Leave the inside of the tablet alone and on the out side counter sink it so it’s concave and then round the edges a bit. I have all the tools at work. I just gotta make some sort of jig to hold the wheels but also I can just use a drill press for the counter sink and be fine to I think.  How dumb is this? @Mbrimson88  thoughts?
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That could be fun!


For size and shape, Lock Ins are one side Tablet and the other side Conical Full, so Tablets are really just narrow double sided Lock Ins right from new.

OG Classics are more of the cutaway shape than anything else, with Conical and Conical Full wheels being the slightly more rounded top edge which makes them a bit more versatile for everything.

Shaping Classics down you can definitely take out a bit more wheel from closer to the bearing seat as they are the widest just there, but I find it easier to just round off the outside edges or flatten the side wall more than cut out the inside area.


Using an angle grinder with a more worn down smaller disc, I could get into the inside area of the wheel fairly well too when I wanted to get rid of the graphic on any wheel from Classics, Conical Full or even Lock Ins, so you could easily take out some of that part of the wheel as well, but more than anything it is about getting the wheel to spin as fast as possible to ensure the material you are taking off is as even as possible across the whole face, side or where ever you are working.

People have used a few different options, including in the clip below, which might be the safest way to change the shape of a wheel, if you had the machine to do it.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CFjeLGPFwzS/

Man we have a manual lathe at the shop but I don’t know how to run it. I may try the angle grinder route. I’m also thinking about using a corner round endmill in a drill press then mounting the wheel with a bearing to spin. But i need figure how sketch that is. We’re kinda slow at work so I’m wanting to mess around with some stuff. I run a cnc mill but I don’t know how to program or I’d do it that way.  I don’t want to ask our programmer to write one for me.


(https://i.ibb.co/4mPtbdc/82-FDF69-B-699-B-4-E30-9-AFD-BA37-AEE69-E71.webp) (https://ibb.co/4mPtbdc)

This is what I’m thinking to put in the drill press to round the corner and then if the wheel is mounted with the bearings just spin it. And hopefully it works kinda like the lathe video you posted. There old wheels so no big if I ruin them. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Oh and if I add the concave. Remove the bearing then use a countersink like this. (https://i.ibb.co/f83B7vd/EEB3565-E-147-F-44-D9-91-FF-5-B540-BE1-CD53.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f83B7vd)

But we have these wide stubby ones that would work better but I can’t find a photo.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on April 26, 2022, 01:21:59 PM
For sale/trade- 55mm radial Oski’s, ridden once at the indoor park. 97a CF already work perfect for me there and yet I can’t stop myself from ruining a good thing. Ate shit all day and my hand is purple. Get these away from me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2022, 05:54:52 PM


Man we have a manual lathe at the shop but I don’t know how to run it. I may try the angle grinder route. I’m also thinking about using a corner round endmill in a drill press then mounting the wheel with a bearing to spin. But i need figure how sketch that is. We’re kinda slow at work so I’m wanting to mess around with some stuff. I run a cnc mill but I don’t know how to program or I’d do it that way.  I don’t want to ask our programmer to write one for me.

This is what I’m thinking to put in the drill press to round the corner and then if the wheel is mounted with the bearings just spin it. And hopefully it works kinda like the lathe video you posted. There old wheels so no big if I ruin them. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Oh and if I add the concave. Remove the bearing then use a countersink like this.

But we have these wide stubby ones that would work better but I can’t find a photo.


That all sounds a bit scary, but that is exactly what people have said to me with the angle grinder and I am used to it.

As you said, old wheels and spare time - give it a go and see how it works out.

Interested to hear and see results, which ever way it ends up.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on April 27, 2022, 10:47:35 PM
Tempted to get the 97d Classic shape. Wish they did 97 in every shape, OG classic or tablet would be perfect. Conical full works good but I want less clunk, might just hit them with the angle grinder for a narrow contact patch
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 27, 2022, 11:03:16 PM
Tempted to get the 97d Classic shape. Wish they did 97 in every shape, OG classic or tablet would be perfect. Conical full works good but I want less clunk, might just hit them with the angle grinder for a narrow contact patch

It is definitely easier to take down Conical Full wheels for a more rounded look than getting new Classics.

I do this quite a lot to well used wheels that come back from others and they turn out really well - wide overall width, still medium to wide surface and slightly more rounded edges.

This might be the most I have rounded some off - started as 54mm when new.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNzIL65lTst/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on April 28, 2022, 09:00:05 AM
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Tempted to get the 97d Classic shape. Wish they did 97 in every shape, OG classic or tablet would be perfect. Conical full works good but I want less clunk, might just hit them with the angle grinder for a narrow contact patch
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It is definitely easier to take down Conical Full wheels for a more rounded look than getting new Classics.

I do this quite a lot to well used wheels that come back from others and they turn out really well - wide overall width, still medium to wide surface and slightly more rounded edges.

This might be the most I have rounded some off - started as 54mm when new.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNzIL65lTst/

Does rounding over the edges help with ride quality?  I’ve got some 56mm ConFu’s I rode down to square and they feel pretty bad. I keep meaning to do a direct comparison to some similar size worn 54’s that still have some round over, but just wind up skating my current daily driver. I mean, I’m curious, but we’ve still (fucking STILL) got snow, so I don’t wanna burn a precious session dicking with stuff I prolly won’t ride anyway.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on April 28, 2022, 09:03:32 AM
Tempted to get the 97d Classic shape. Wish they did 97 in every shape, OG classic or tablet would be perfect. Conical full works good but I want less clunk, might just hit them with the angle grinder for a narrow contact patch

I ended up with a third pair of these, size 54, which I just don't need. If you wanna give them a shot, DM me and we can work out a deal.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 28, 2022, 08:22:36 PM

Does rounding over the edges help with ride quality?  I’ve got some 56mm ConFu’s I rode down to square and they feel pretty bad. I keep meaning to do a direct comparison to some similar size worn 54’s that still have some round over, but just wind up skating my current daily driver. I mean, I’m curious, but we’ve still (fucking STILL) got snow, so I don’t wanna burn a precious session dicking with stuff I prolly won’t ride anyway.


I feel like it does a lot, but that could be more just me thinking I don't want to chunk out or catch on a sharp wheel edge, which I have seen happen before to others.

The best thing to do is put them on a board ready to skate, or even just set up something on an old truck mounted on a bit of a board, bearings in wheel and on the outer edge, hold the grinder at about a 45 degree angle and take it down a touch (not a lot, just feel it out), turn the wheel over and do the same to the other side.  Repeat times four and then at least they are ready to skate.  If you want to get a bit more into it, you can round the edge off a bit more, but even just to get a feel for them, by doing that one bit on the angle will make them so much more like how they were when new for the shape.

When I did the last few for someone else, I just mounted them one at a time, side on and worked each in turn, checked sizes, did a little more if needed and then packaged them up and sent them off.  If you have the time, but don't want to skate them right away, this is maybe the best way to do it, rather than putting the wheels on your main board, working them, then having issues with them on the odd chance you do get to skate right now.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mushypeas on May 04, 2022, 02:44:48 PM
I got my board stolen and got a new setup with the black spitfire f4 classic fulls instead of the white/urethane color radials i always skated. They dont make the normal screeching sound that wheels should make and the slide feels unpleasant. Whats up with that? is it because theyre colored or the shape or because theyre new? im upset
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on May 04, 2022, 03:16:01 PM
I got my board stolen and got a new setup with the black spitfire f4 classic fulls instead of the white/urethane color radials i always skated. They dont make the normal screeching sound that wheels should make and the slide feels unpleasant. Whats up with that? is it because theyre colored or the shape or because theyre new? im upset

I've had the same experience with black wheels in the past. Bought the black AA Spitfires and hated them. Was on basically the same wheels but white (conical fulls 54 while the AA were 53s) before that and they felt different. At first I thought they might not be "formula 4" but they were. I honestly couldn't tell you why, maybe someone here had a different experience, or better yet an explanation on why they feel so different.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on May 04, 2022, 04:18:55 PM
Honestly a lot of the time with new bearings it can make the wheels sound/feel softer than they are. Loosen your wheels up and maybe pop the caps on your bearings. I've had the same issues with new f4's and bearings too, the colored wheels shouldn't matter for hardness. My last swirl f4's barked like crazy and felt as hard as any "white" ones I've had.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 04, 2022, 04:34:12 PM
I got my board stolen and got a new setup with the black spitfire f4 classic fulls instead of the white/urethane color radials i always skated. They dont make the normal screeching sound that wheels should make and the slide feels unpleasant. Whats up with that? is it because theyre colored or the shape or because theyre new? im upset

It's the color. The dye that they use messes with the urethane so it doesn't behave the same as the standard potato colored F4s. That's why a lot of people won't ride any of the colored F4s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: realbasedgod112 on May 04, 2022, 06:59:03 PM
any aus PALS might want to check out the hemley site:
97a conical full formula 4s got put up recently, for a reasonable price of $79.95
they have 54mm and 58mm at my time of reading
https://hemleyskateboarding.com.au/collections/skateboards/products/spitfire-conical-full-shape-formula-four-97-duro?variant=42018168995991 (https://hemleyskateboarding.com.au/collections/skateboards/products/spitfire-conical-full-shape-formula-four-97-duro?variant=42018168995991)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ferraveemo on May 04, 2022, 07:15:39 PM
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I got my board stolen and got a new setup with the black spitfire f4 classic fulls instead of the white/urethane color radials i always skated. They dont make the normal screeching sound that wheels should make and the slide feels unpleasant. Whats up with that? is it because theyre colored or the shape or because theyre new? im upset
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It's the color. The dye that they use messes with the urethane so it doesn't behave the same as the standard potato colored F4s. That's why a lot of people won't ride any of the colored F4s.

I have both all black f4’s(Ishod’s) and classic formula black/purple swirls all in the classic shape. They still bark. You just gotta give the axle space some wiggle room. They do sound dead when it’s tighten all the way. The feel is almost like a 96-97A duro that has a signature spitfire slide with less bark.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Slugboi22 on May 04, 2022, 11:38:00 PM
i had the skate like a girl 53 radials and they slide/ “barked” just like normal. I also had the orange tablets and they were completely fine. Never had the black so i can’t speak on that.

my question is the real difference between OG classics and conical fulls in regards to their shape. how different are they? i can’t really tell from photos
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on May 05, 2022, 12:36:36 AM
OG classic is narrower, quicker turn and easier slide. Maybe more squared edge. Locks in real good. Doesn’t have the clunk of the CF but also doesn’t soak up rough stuff as well. Only had two park sessions on them but they’re my fav by a long shot now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kombuch-A-Holic on May 05, 2022, 06:35:41 AM
i had the skate like a girl 53 radials and they slide/ “barked” just like normal. I also had the orange tablets and they were completely fine. Never had the black so i can’t speak on that.

my question is the real difference between OG classics and conical fulls in regards to their shape. how different are they? i can’t really tell from photos

OG classic is narrower, quicker turn and easier slide. Maybe more squared edge. Locks in real good. Doesn’t have the clunk of the CF but also doesn’t soak up rough stuff as well. Only had two park sessions on them but they’re my fav by a long shot now.




I think the best way to sum it up is the OG Classic and the Conical Fulls are very similar. As Mike Goldburg would say "virtually identical!" With the CF's overall being a 1-2mil wider over all.

The OG Classic is just a wider Tablet with side cuts. *With the conical edges.

(Would anyone else agree?)

I'll be sticking with the OG classics from now on, now that they are in F4.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 05, 2022, 06:17:51 PM

Yes to those replies.

OG Classic are a slimmer wheel with a sharper edge and more cutaway inside, when compared to Conical Full wheel shapes.


The set I skated for a day or so, some park but mainly mini ramp session feel like a mix between Classic and Conical Full, in that they don't slip off coping as easily as Classics but they don't grip the coping quite as much as Conical Full wheels do.

Others who have skated them more on ledges and even sitting them on the edge of a bench show they have a little less touching than the Conical Full, which makes what I felt seem true when I skated them.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Slugboi22 on May 05, 2022, 06:38:37 PM
thanks all for the replies! seems like OG Classics are next on my list for wheels :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on May 06, 2022, 02:49:27 AM

Yes to those replies.

OG Classic are a slimmer wheel with a sharper edge and more cutaway inside, when compared to Conical Full wheel shapes.


The set I skated for a day or so, some park but mainly mini ramp session feel like a mix between Classic and Conical Full, in that they don't slip off coping as easily as Classics but they don't grip the coping quite as much as Conical Full wheels do.

Others who have skated them more on ledges and even sitting them on the edge of a bench show they have a little less touching than the Conical Full, which makes what I felt seem true when I skated them.

I'm tempted to go for 55 OG Classic (after going through LockIns, Tablets and currently on Classics)
Classic felt great but i want to go back to a wider wheel cuz they feel better in the streets

In the meantime, i had a session on some huuuuuge wheels with dimensions similar to kader's radial full (but 55 mm) and it was pretty bad in the crooked department and made my hanger feel really small.

TLDR: are crooked grinds feeling good on those OG classic ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wizard0f0dds on May 06, 2022, 06:35:37 AM
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Yes to those replies.

OG Classic are a slimmer wheel with a sharper edge and more cutaway inside, when compared to Conical Full wheel shapes.


The set I skated for a day or so, some park but mainly mini ramp session feel like a mix between Classic and Conical Full, in that they don't slip off coping as easily as Classics but they don't grip the coping quite as much as Conical Full wheels do.

Others who have skated them more on ledges and even sitting them on the edge of a bench show they have a little less touching than the Conical Full, which makes what I felt seem true when I skated them.
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I'm tempted to go for 55 OG Classic (after going through LockIns, Tablets and currently on Classics)
Classic felt great but i want to go back to a wider wheel cuz they feel better in the streets

In the meantime, i had a session on some huuuuuge wheels with dimensions similar to kader's radial full (but 55 mm) and it was pretty bad in the crooked department and made my hanger feel really small.

TLDR: are crooked grinds feeling good on those OG classic ?

Recently got 54mm OG Classics (99a) and I really like them. Was on some old 54mm classics prior to that, probably worn down to 52-51. The OG classics are a little smoother on rough ground without being too wide (conical fulls feel a little too wide and wonky to me) and fwiw my crooked grinds aren't any worse on them. It's probably the best of both worlds if you like classic-ish width but are looking for a smoother ride.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 06, 2022, 07:23:07 PM
I like to think of OG Classics as “Conical Slims.” They’re about as narrow as Radial Slims but with the conical cutaway instead of the radial belly on the side. You get a little wider riding surface and more mass on the outside of the wheel, which (in theory) helps the wheel hold speed compared to a classic where the mass is gathered around the center.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on May 07, 2022, 08:40:53 AM
Fair enough

thanks guys for the feedback, i should not be disappointed
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wheelbitefred on May 07, 2022, 01:12:17 PM
 I bought a set of f4 54mm 99d lock-ins in like 2019 (adult life has me skating much less) and thought they where great no issues at all and just picked up a set of the OG classic 55 mm 99d’s and they feel way better- not sure if it’s just new wheels or something has changed in the last 3 years? I’ve skated Pretty much only F4’s since they came out (with the exception of some OJ ellites I wasn’t happy with) and never noticed that much of a difference
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 07, 2022, 04:14:24 PM
I bought a set of f4 54mm 99d lock-ins in like 2019 (adult life has me skating much less) and thought they where great no issues at all and just picked up a set of the OG classic 55 mm 99d’s and they feel way better- not sure if it’s just new wheels or something has changed in the last 3 years? I’ve skated Pretty much only F4’s since they came out (with the exception of some OJ ellites I wasn’t happy with) and never noticed that much of a difference

Speaking of lockins, which are rare (like those radial slims these days), Hazard (Madness) has one just like it. No clue about the quality of urethane or what they feel like....

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5f7b8950f05492710de4102a/1604087066970-WQDM9VG3H8KBT0K3AFXS/CP_2_UPDATE.jpg?format=2500w)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zozu on May 07, 2022, 04:42:21 PM
I tried some Hazard wheels last year. They felt harder and more slippery than 101 Spitfires but the quality was good.
Rolled pretty fast and didnt flatspot, though still felt like a second rate wheel despite costing me almost as much as a set of spits.

I would buy them again in a pinch, a positive is they consistently seem to be making black wheels which are usually uncommon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on May 07, 2022, 05:44:58 PM
I tried some Hazard wheels last year. They felt harder and more slippery than 101 Spitfires but the quality was good.
Rolled pretty fast and didnt flatspot, though still felt like a second rate wheel despite costing me almost as much as a set of spits.

I would buy them again in a pinch, a positive is they consistently seem to be making black wheels which are usually uncommon.

Did they feel like Creative urethane? I can't stand creative pours.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on May 07, 2022, 06:00:34 PM
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I bought a set of f4 54mm 99d lock-ins in like 2019 (adult life has me skating much less) and thought they where great no issues at all and just picked up a set of the OG classic 55 mm 99d’s and they feel way better- not sure if it’s just new wheels or something has changed in the last 3 years? I’ve skated Pretty much only F4’s since they came out (with the exception of some OJ ellites I wasn’t happy with) and never noticed that much of a difference
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Speaking of lockins, which are rare (like those radial slims these days), Hazard (Madness) has one just like it. No clue about the quality of urethane or what they feel like....

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5f7b8950f05492710de4102a/1604087066970-WQDM9VG3H8KBT0K3AFXS/CP_2_UPDATE.jpg?format=2500w)
Somebody really needs to do lockouts, so when you ride them graphic in, they function as intended. I guess mini combos/slime balls are sort of like that, but the “lock” side had more radius/bevel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on May 08, 2022, 03:11:26 AM
Got a free set of 58mm OGs. Rode great with no break in time on the wood indoor ramp. Which is weird cuz the 55 OG’s are too slick and unridable there. But before that the 101a 52mm CF’s were working for me. Maybe it’s all about the contact patch width or every individual pour is slightly different and nothing mattress
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 08, 2022, 04:04:21 AM
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I tried some Hazard wheels last year. They felt harder and more slippery than 101 Spitfires but the quality was good.
Rolled pretty fast and didnt flatspot, though still felt like a second rate wheel despite costing me almost as much as a set of spits.

I would buy them again in a pinch, a positive is they consistently seem to be making black wheels which are usually uncommon.
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Did they feel like Creative urethane? I can't stand creative pours.


No, totally different.

People who have had them more often than not say they are too hard and too slippery, but if you want that sort of thing, it should be a good wheel.

The boards I had a go on definitely made me feel uneasy on medium to smooth ground, like I would slip out at any second when carving across a park, but they were fast and I could slide easily on them.



Got a free set of 58mm OGs. Rode great with no break in time on the wood indoor ramp. Which is weird cuz the 55 OG’s are too slick and unridable there. But before that the 101a 52mm CF’s were working for me. Maybe it’s all about the contact patch width or every individual pour is slightly different and nothing mattress


Any of the old / original / classic urethane compound have the lines / tread so you have to wear that in first.

Any Formula Four wheels are smooth on the riding surface, which is great for never having to ease into a set of wheels on any terrain, even smooth park or wood mini ramp.


Could have been how long they were sitting somewhere too, given some wheels will develop a surface coating that has to be worn off before they feel good, but other than that, I wouldn't know or think there would be any difference between different sizes, just the different compounds.

The OG Classics came out in the original compound a lot more than the Formula Four compound, but now it seems to be the other way round.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on May 08, 2022, 01:59:33 PM
Yeah these are both OG classic shape
 formula four, not to be confused with OG Classic classic OG formula  :o
Theres a 1.5mm difference in contact width, wouldn’t think that’s much at all but on the same ramp it was the difference between ice rink slams and complete grippy confidence
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OldCandy on May 08, 2022, 06:39:09 PM
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I bought a set of f4 54mm 99d lock-ins in like 2019 (adult life has me skating much less) and thought they where great no issues at all and just picked up a set of the OG classic 55 mm 99d’s and they feel way better- not sure if it’s just new wheels or something has changed in the last 3 years? I’ve skated Pretty much only F4’s since they came out (with the exception of some OJ ellites I wasn’t happy with) and never noticed that much of a difference
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Speaking of lockins, which are rare (like those radial slims these days), Hazard (Madness) has one just like it. No clue about the quality of urethane or what they feel like....

(https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5f7b8950f05492710de4102a/1604087066970-WQDM9VG3H8KBT0K3AFXS/CP_2_UPDATE.jpg?format=2500w)

urethane quality is shitty like mini logo or bones 100s but for the price of a f4.

i decided to try the formula and they slide real nice and are pretty hard but holy fucking shit are they slow the ~53mm conical full held speed worse then my worn does ~45mm stf wides both with the same quantum metallics, like so shit to the point that i could barely reach a quarter pipe coping even if i charged at it.

also some bubbles in the core (weirdly tight core too, gotta put some muscle in) I eventually contacted them on instagram after being ignored through their site and email and there taking like 5 days to respond in between each message :/

tldr; hazards are slow and expensive and "customer service" takes eras to respond
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 08, 2022, 07:54:02 PM
Yeah these are both OG classic shape
 formula four, not to be confused with OG Classic classic OG formula  :o
Theres a 1.5mm difference in contact width, wouldn’t think that’s much at all but on the same ramp it was the difference between ice rink slams and complete grippy confidence


The size wouldn't make much difference at all, but as you said the feel of them is key.

I have experienced that a lot more with 101s with some being super slick and slippery and others being even more grippy than the 99s, but to me the normal 99s have always been the same feel.  That is not to say that something happened and they are mixed compounds or something else going on (like surface slickness on the slippery wheels) but at least if you found some that did work, then that is all that matters.

The newer 97s I have used on wood, skatelite and other surfaces were pretty good, but I could feel them being slightly slower at the same time, when compared to my other 99s, otherwise I would say try some of those.  I still like them anyway, as do other people for more slippery ramps or for rough ground, so there will always be a place for my usual 99s as well as the other softer wheels on boards I have set up as regular riders.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: zozu on May 08, 2022, 09:50:31 PM
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I tried some Hazard wheels last year. They felt harder and more slippery than 101 Spitfires but the quality was good.
Rolled pretty fast and didnt flatspot, though still felt like a second rate wheel despite costing me almost as much as a set of spits.

I would buy them again in a pinch, a positive is they consistently seem to be making black wheels which are usually uncommon.
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Did they feel like Creative urethane? I can't stand creative pours.

Nah they werent that bad..  But like I said still felt like a second rate wheel and probably not worth the cost.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on May 14, 2022, 11:10:05 AM
Dear Spitfire (I know there are some DLX heads in dis bitch), please make more colored wheel options in a non-classic shape! Ive been riding my Conical Bouls flatspotted for like 4 months because they weren't that bad, they weren't cheap and it's hella hard to get a shape that's not a classic in a colored option. I know there's a black Ishod wheel but black wheels look gross.  So please pretty please guys take note of this for the upcoming seasons!

I did end up buying some OG Classic F4s but I feel like my whip is not the same without colored wheels haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Boog on May 14, 2022, 12:38:26 PM
Dear Spitfire (I know there are some DLX heads in dis bitch), please make more colored wheel options in a non-classic shape! Ive been riding my Conical Bouls flatspotted for like 4 months because they weren't that bad, they weren't cheap and it's hella hard to get a shape that's not a classic in a colored option. I know there's a black Ishod wheel but black wheels look gross.  So please pretty please guys take note of this for the upcoming seasons!

I did end up buying some OG Classic F4s but I feel like my whip is not the same without colored wheels haha
Would you ride an orange conical?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 14, 2022, 12:40:18 PM
Orange is the next best wheel color after potato brown.

Classic Fulls in Orange please.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on May 14, 2022, 06:23:48 PM
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Dear Spitfire (I know there are some DLX heads in dis bitch), please make more colored wheel options in a non-classic shape! Ive been riding my Conical Bouls flatspotted for like 4 months because they weren't that bad, they weren't cheap and it's hella hard to get a shape that's not a classic in a colored option. I know there's a black Ishod wheel but black wheels look gross.  So please pretty please guys take note of this for the upcoming seasons!

I did end up buying some OG Classic F4s but I feel like my whip is not the same without colored wheels haha
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Would you ride an orange conical?
I hella would
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Slugboi22 on May 14, 2022, 06:24:54 PM
i’m very partial to light blue wheels. Loved my skate like a girl radials. never understood the color wheel hate.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on May 14, 2022, 07:16:27 PM
I want single color wheel ala Lance/Grosso to come back. Could do rit dye but old posts here said it doesn’t last long.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 14, 2022, 08:05:35 PM
I want single color wheel ala Lance/Grosso to come back. Could do rit dye but old posts here said it doesn’t last long.


It's a funny one, cause they always sell out and people keep wanting more of them, but they seem like things are almost being cut back in terms of production or anything different of late.

Some people often buy their own and mix and match, given most wheels come out in the same size and shape, with coloured options occasionally, so that one set of coloured wheels from last season or so could easily be put with three other normal sets to make a lasting single coloured wheel set last a while.

What size and shape are you most interested in?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 21, 2022, 08:26:05 AM

The Spitfire Summer 2022 catalog is up with the most interesting offering (as previously mentioned by others) being this wheel:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer22/sf-sm22-jeff-carlyle-cat-2.jpg


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer22/sf-sm22-jeff-carlyle-cat-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 21, 2022, 09:01:24 AM
Damn. No radials and no conicals…. Wtf
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on May 21, 2022, 09:07:36 AM

The Spitfire Summer 2022 catalog is up with the most interesting offering (as previously mentioned by others) being this wheel:

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer22/sf-sm22-glow-03.jpg)
YEAH BABY GLOW IN THE DARK!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 21, 2022, 09:24:41 AM
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The Spitfire Summer 2022 catalog is up with the most interesting offering (as previously mentioned by others) being this wheel:
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(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer22/sf-sm22-glow-03.jpg)
YEAH BABY GLOW IN THE DARK!

Man, the 90s really are back.

I could see those being useful for night skating if they actually work.

I remember having some hardware with glow in the dark paint and it really didn't work very well. Great idea though.

Is there a consumer level glow in the dark paint we could put on our grip tape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Plan9Customs on May 21, 2022, 10:19:51 AM
Looks like I’m getting some new wheels. Yes the glow in the dark wheels actually work. Those are what I was running on my cruiser(when they made them in the 80hd). Love me some gimmicky wheels that look normal. As for glow in the dark spray paint there’s some but from what I’ve heard it’s kind of hit and miss on actually working.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 21, 2022, 03:28:52 PM
53mm Lock-ins

Hell yesss
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: theloniousmonk on May 21, 2022, 08:18:22 PM
I have some glow in the dark rails from tgm, and they glow better than I would expect. They were noticeably glowy even when it was still daytime and they were in a shadow. Pretty cool
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 22, 2022, 03:16:30 AM
Damn. No radials and no conicals…. Wtf


They were both in the last catalog and should still be in some shops.

I would say though that it seems what comes out each month in the catalog is not all the wheels they produce, maybe more just a showing of some of the new options, as many of the "old favourites" are still making their way out to lots of shops, as I have seen from Instagram posts of new stock drops.  There doesn't seem to be any way to know what else is coming out when or where, apart from what the shops get as their pre book catalog info.

Given not all sizes, shapes and duros are out all the time, it would be best if you do find a wheel you like to get a few sets.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bror on May 22, 2022, 06:14:12 AM
Im sorry for asking this, i know its been discussed x amounts of times already but i really cant decide between Radials, reg. conicals and og classics..

Ive been on two pairs of 53mm conical fulls before but want to shave off a little weight as i like to ride 55-57mm for longevity.

Is conicals the in between shape of the three?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on May 22, 2022, 07:44:16 AM
Im sorry for asking this, i know its been discussed x amounts of times already but i really cant decide between Radials, reg. conicals and og classics..

Ive been on two pairs of 53mm conical fulls before but want to shave off a little weight as i like to ride 55-57mm for longevity.

Is conicals the in between shape of the three?

I haven’t had the OG classics but I have been eyeing them. I have had radials and I enjoyed them but I’m on regular conicals now and I think I prefer them over the radials.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on May 22, 2022, 08:20:00 AM
Im sorry for asking this, i know its been discussed x amounts of times already but i really cant decide between Radials, reg. conicals and og classics..

Ive been on two pairs of 53mm conical fulls before but want to shave off a little weight as i like to ride 55-57mm for longevity.

Is conicals the in between shape of the three?

I haven’t had the og classics but I’m riding sets of conicals and radials right now. The conical is my preferred street/ledge wheel, you can usually get them in smaller sizes (52/53).

Radial is a good do it all wheel and they usually produce them in bigger sizes. I’ve got them on a huffer set up right now. It’s definitely the most in between shape in my opinion. Good surface riding area but a much rounder shoulder than conical
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on May 22, 2022, 08:24:59 AM
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Im sorry for asking this, i know its been discussed x amounts of times already but i really cant decide between Radials, reg. conicals and og classics..

Ive been on two pairs of 53mm conical fulls before but want to shave off a little weight as i like to ride 55-57mm for longevity.

Is conicals the in between shape of the three?
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I haven’t had the OG classics but I have been eyeing them. I have had radials and I enjoyed them but I’m on regular conicals now and I think I prefer them over the radials.

Pouring over the spitfire shape charts, the OG classic is basically like a regular conical with a lil’ wider contact patch. Like you started with a 56mm conical and rode it to 55mm, it would be really close to a fresh 55mm OG classic. Radials are actually close to CF’s in width with a slightly narrower contact area. So, based on the numbers, I would say regular conical would save the most weight, OG would last the longest. Radials would be a lateral move from CFs.

Ive been riding 58mm OG classics in classic formula all spring and like them enough I’ve considered the same wheel in formula four to see if it does less of everything and more of everything, only better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on May 22, 2022, 01:11:58 PM
Regular conicals have a tiny bit more rounded sidewalls as OG classics in the same size.

I am on some 52mm conicals and really like them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: braksabbath on May 22, 2022, 11:57:04 PM
OG classic is my fav bowl wheel ever now. Slammed so hard on Radials when they rolled over the coping onto the deck. I did a couple parking lot slappies and they (radials) roll up on curbs good. Those 55mm Oski Radials are for sale, only skated one day
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on May 23, 2022, 10:20:16 AM
OG classic is my fav bowl wheel ever now. Slammed so hard on Radials when they rolled over the coping onto the deck. I did a couple parking lot slappies and they roll up on curbs good. Those 55mm Oski Radials are for sale, only skated one day

Hah!  I’ve had the opposite experience with OG Classics. Skated a wooden bowl where the coping is inconsistent in terms of protrusion and how close the sheeting is. There a section where the coping sticks way out and there’s a pretty big gap between it and the top sheet. You can basically get stuck below the coping and it shoots your board away when you give it the umshalla to get on the coping. Like getting rejected on a layup.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on May 24, 2022, 11:57:41 PM
I just got a pair of Conical Full 56mm to replace my defective Radial Full 56mm.

It's crazy how big both wheels are. Radial Fulls felt like monster truck wheels for better or for worse. I didn't realize the 56mm Conical Fulls would be almost as big.

The width leap from 54mm to 55mm is massive on Conical Fulls.

I like big wheels but Radial Fulls were definitely pushing it for me in the width department. Looks like these Conical Fulls will be more of the same.

It's actually really interesting comparing the CF 1:1 with Bones V6 56mm. Despite being the same width, the Bones have a deeper cut away and narrower riding surface. I measured them out of curiosity and the difference was the V6 were a full 10% lighter weight.

I really want to try some OG classics next. Looks like those have a deep cut away too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on May 25, 2022, 04:00:23 AM
60mm tablet fulls would be so fucked
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bumba on May 25, 2022, 06:47:06 AM
Im sorry for asking this, i know its been discussed x amounts of times already but i really cant decide between Radials, reg. conicals and og classics..

Ive been on two pairs of 53mm conical fulls before but want to shave off a little weight as i like to ride 55-57mm for longevity.

Is conicals the in between shape of the three?

Radials have lasted way longer than f4 classics. Same feel and look to them but that wider riding patch helps a ton
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on May 30, 2022, 09:27:15 PM
60mm F4 97s are hitting shops. I have been waiting for that exact wheel for so long now. My old dude nostalgia set-up can finally be completed. Shoutout to Jeff Carlyle for pushing for them to go 60
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 31, 2022, 02:22:04 AM
I’m “stuck” with a couple sets of classics. I haven’t ridden such a skinny wheel since the Manderson pro wheel shape came out.

It’s all in my head right and these will serve me just fine?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 31, 2022, 04:29:17 AM
I’m “stuck” with a couple sets of classics. I haven’t ridden such a skinny wheel since the Manderson pro wheel shape came out.

It’s all in my head right and these will serve me just fine?


They sure do skate well.

Funny though cause I would always be down to swap for something else, but shipping just seems not worth it (even just here in AU) with sales like the OCD 30% off and Formula Four sets for AU $55 anyway.

What size do you have and what size and shape would you prefer, if you could swap them for something else?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on May 31, 2022, 06:01:42 AM
I’m “stuck” with a couple sets of classics. I haven’t ridden such a skinny wheel since the Manderson pro wheel shape came out.

It’s all in my head right and these will serve me just fine?

i used to skate cfs all the time, switched to classics when i couldn't find any 99 cfs, after that i got a set of og classics and i can't do them anymore.

classics get wider with wear too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: downtodevin on June 03, 2022, 08:14:35 AM
A few weeks ago Spitfire posted a Max Palmer clip from Limosine’s video, does anyone know what wheels Max uses?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on June 03, 2022, 09:54:39 AM
I’m “stuck” with a couple sets of classics. I haven’t ridden such a skinny wheel since the Manderson pro wheel shape came out.

It’s all in my head right and these will serve me just fine?

I just switched to Spitfire classics after spending about 2 years on wider wheels (lock-ins, OG classics, conical fulls, radial fulls).  Honestly, once you get past how they visually look skinnier they’re great.  I actually think they’re more fun- they’re a little more erratic and exciting sliding around carving and turning and they slide so much better on noseslides, tailslides, and lipslides on ledges.  Outside of 5050s I don’t think the lock-in is noticeably worse on grinds.  I have 55s though.  Idk if I could skate 52s or something.  The wheel might just look too small.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lilboosie on June 03, 2022, 10:10:22 AM
anyone looking for some lock ins. i see that they dont really have them anymore and im switching back to classics. going to post to classified today. they are 55 but ill measure them to see if they wore down. didnt skate them much
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on June 03, 2022, 02:13:03 PM
anyone looking for some lock ins. i see that they dont really have them anymore and im switching back to classics. going to post to classified today. they are 55 but ill measure them to see if they wore down. didnt skate them much
Not sure what sizes but 35th north had a couple pairs last weekend when I was in there. You might want to give them a ring.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on June 03, 2022, 02:37:35 PM
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anyone looking for some lock ins. i see that they dont really have them anymore and im switching back to classics. going to post to classified today. they are 55 but ill measure them to see if they wore down. didnt skate them much
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Not sure what sizes but 35th north had a couple pairs last weekend when I was in there. You might want to give them a ring.

A few pairs of wheels I’m on it.


Top shop for sure
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on June 03, 2022, 03:05:54 PM
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anyone looking for some lock ins. i see that they dont really have them anymore and im switching back to classics. going to post to classified today. they are 55 but ill measure them to see if they wore down. didnt skate them much
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Not sure what sizes but 35th north had a couple pairs last weekend when I was in there. You might want to give them a ring.
My bad, misread your post. Thought you were in search for some.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lilboosie on June 03, 2022, 03:22:44 PM
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anyone looking for some lock ins. i see that they dont really have them anymore and im switching back to classics. going to post to classified today. they are 55 but ill measure them to see if they wore down. didnt skate them much
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Not sure what sizes but 35th north had a couple pairs last weekend when I was in there. You might want to give them a ring.
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My bad, misread your post. Thought you were in search for some.

no worries! you might have helped out others looking for some
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RaptorHunter182 on June 04, 2022, 01:11:22 PM
My favorite wheels. So many great shape options (the Classics and Conical Fulls are my two favorites) and I've never flatspotted a pair. Totally worth getting and reverts on them feel like heaven.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lilboosie on June 04, 2022, 05:15:21 PM
How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?
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Post by: Xen on June 04, 2022, 05:35:37 PM
How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?

It slides, but not as well; just requires more effort.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 04, 2022, 05:44:33 PM
How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?

Wasn't a fan of the slide. That is my main complaint with them (besides being a bit bouncy and muted feeling). They are hard to get sliding, and then they are really sticky once they do slide. Takes a lot of effort to not get bucked off a standard powerslide from my experience.

They tackle crust super well though, so a wheel with great utility... just not the most "fun" wheel.

When the Powell SSF 93a eventually come out, I recommend those over F4 97a. Similar amount of crust tackling, but feels like a harder wheel and slides super well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lilboosie on June 04, 2022, 06:19:01 PM
Hm. Time to decide if I want more grip or less slide .
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on June 04, 2022, 06:52:27 PM
How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?

They slide really good for how much they help with the rough ground, but i definitely noticed a little difference when bluntsliding.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on June 04, 2022, 10:00:27 PM
How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?

I prefer it for powerslides as it gives a bit more resistance and actually slows you down
On waxed concrete ledges it feels the same just stickier, have to push a bit more

However on some metal coping and other materials it seems to catch and stick a lot more
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on June 08, 2022, 06:29:27 PM
lock ins are back in shops

glow in the dark wheels look like regular spitfires in person not really any green tint or whatever still potato color

97 radial fulls on the way
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on June 08, 2022, 07:21:49 PM
glow in the dark wheels look like regular spitfires in person not really any green tint or whatever still potato color

great news everybody!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 08, 2022, 08:01:02 PM
lock ins are back in shops

glow in the dark wheels look like regular spitfires in person not really any green tint or whatever still potato color

97 radial fulls on the way

I hope they glow well, those could be sick looking for night VX footage.

Heads up... Radial Fulls are BIG and heavy. Absolute monster truck wheels even at 56mm. I can't imagine how big they are at a higher diameter.

56mm Conical Fulls are noticeably larger than 54mm Conical Fulls (they start really growing in width at 55mm for some reason)... and 56mm Radial Fulls are even bigger than Conical Full 56mm. I'm someone who loves big wheels, and the Radial Fulls were sliiightly too big/heavy for me.

I'm glad they are making it in 97a... that seems like the right duro for that size/shape. If I want a wheel that big and wide, it better tackle crust crazy well, and the 99a just weren't cutting it. 97a do a much better job. Should be a nice ATV/cruiser wheel, but I'm going to be sticking with the new Bones/Powell 93a until Spitfire responds with something new.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Plan9Customs on June 08, 2022, 09:08:02 PM
I’m grabbing a set this weekend. This is an old 80hd glow from a few years back under light for about 30 seconds:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTjM1jNw/3-E0-CEBE5-6441-4609-9441-03-E08-BEEC0-E7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4d3VTVz)
I wish they’d keep the glows around as a staple. I can’t wait to see if I can leave smears of glow on lip slides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 08, 2022, 09:14:51 PM
I’m grabbing a set this weekend. This is an old 80hd glow from a few years back under light for about 30 seconds:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTjM1jNw/3-E0-CEBE5-6441-4609-9441-03-E08-BEEC0-E7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4d3VTVz)
I wish they’d keep the glows around as a staple. I can’t wait to see if I can leave smears of glow on lip slides.

Now THAT would be so sick. I'm sure you could replicate something like that by putting some glow in the dark paint on your wheels or the obstacle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on June 08, 2022, 09:21:36 PM
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I’m grabbing a set this weekend. This is an old 80hd glow from a few years back under light for about 30 seconds:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTjM1jNw/3-E0-CEBE5-6441-4609-9441-03-E08-BEEC0-E7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4d3VTVz)
I wish they’d keep the glows around as a staple. I can’t wait to see if I can leave smears of glow on lip slides.
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Now THAT would be so sick. I'm sure you could replicate something like that by putting some glow in the dark paint on your wheels or the obstacle.

We could be on the cusp of a new concept video - an (almost) full darkness part, minimal lighting with the glow of the F4 being the light source.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 08, 2022, 09:25:33 PM
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I’m grabbing a set this weekend. This is an old 80hd glow from a few years back under light for about 30 seconds:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTjM1jNw/3-E0-CEBE5-6441-4609-9441-03-E08-BEEC0-E7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4d3VTVz)
I wish they’d keep the glows around as a staple. I can’t wait to see if I can leave smears of glow on lip slides.
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Now THAT would be so sick. I'm sure you could replicate something like that by putting some glow in the dark paint on your wheels or the obstacle.
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We could be on the cusp of a new concept video - an (almost) full darkness part, minimal lighting with the glow of the F4 being the light source.

It's going to be like a laser tag arena. We just need some KMFDM blasting at the spot too for the full laser tag experience.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on June 08, 2022, 09:34:52 PM
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I’m grabbing a set this weekend. This is an old 80hd glow from a few years back under light for about 30 seconds:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTjM1jNw/3-E0-CEBE5-6441-4609-9441-03-E08-BEEC0-E7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4d3VTVz)
I wish they’d keep the glows around as a staple. I can’t wait to see if I can leave smears of glow on lip slides.
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Now THAT would be so sick. I'm sure you could replicate something like that by putting some glow in the dark paint on your wheels or the obstacle.
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We could be on the cusp of a new concept video - an (almost) full darkness part, minimal lighting with the glow of the F4 being the light source.
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It's going to be like a laser tag arena. We just need some KMFDM blasting at the spot too for the full laser tag experience.

Nah, its got to be Sandstorm and 90s Eurodance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6120QOlsfU
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Hefe43 on June 09, 2022, 12:58:20 AM
I’m grabbing a set this weekend. This is an old 80hd glow from a few years back under light for about 30 seconds:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tTjM1jNw/3-E0-CEBE5-6441-4609-9441-03-E08-BEEC0-E7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4d3VTVz)
I wish they’d keep the glows around as a staple. I can’t wait to see if I can leave smears of glow on lip slides.

I like that they look like regular F4s. I have a set from a few years back
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on June 09, 2022, 06:52:44 AM
Does anyone know if the glow changes the urethane?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 13, 2022, 11:06:33 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeojgXOuxX_/

Holy shit, those new Carlyle 97a 60mm Conical Fulls are HUGE.

If anyone gets their hands on a set, take a picture of the cardboard packaging with the measurements on it. Those things definitely look wider than even the Radial Fulls, which are wide as hell. Unless its somehow just the lens/perspective, they have to be AT LEAST 45mm wide. Honestly maybe 50mm+?

F4 97a are decent. They are very much a utilitarian wheel, but not something I would want to use as my everyday wheel. They do an amazing job at tackling crust, but a bit muted and bouncy feeling. Definitely slower on smooth ground than harder wheels, and not a "fun" wheel, because they don't have a very great slide. I bet they are great for hillbombing San Fran though.

I'm glad they are making the F4 97a in such a large and wide shape. It seems like that makes a lot of sense for that formula. Those things are going to be HEAVY though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 13, 2022, 12:09:23 PM
I got the 58 Conical Full 97s (not the Carlyle but exact same shape) and they are a tiny bit wider than OG Classic 60s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on June 13, 2022, 02:42:07 PM
I copped the 60mm 97a CFs. Unfortunately, the insert does not have updated size info (no Radial Fulls even.) But hey that's why they sell cheap digital calipers! They are 38mm wide with a 28mm contact patch. Those are just rough measurements and there might be a .something over what I posted but they are reasonably close. The Radial Full 60mm are 41.5/29 and look noticeably larger when you've got them side by side.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on June 13, 2022, 03:05:54 PM
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How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?
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Wasn't a fan of the slide. That is my main complaint with them (besides being a bit bouncy and muted feeling). They are hard to get sliding, and then they are really sticky once they do slide. Takes a lot of effort to not get bucked off a standard powerslide from my experience.

They tackle crust super well though, so a wheel with great utility... just not the most "fun" wheel.

When the Powell SSF 93a eventually come out, I recommend those over F4 97a. Similar amount of crust tackling, but feels like a harder wheel and slides super well.

100%. I said this in the wheel thread but the 93a Bones isn’t my favorite wheel but imo it is absolutely better than the 97a Spitfire (which I like a lot). Now that I’ve skated both, I will not be returning to the 97a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 13, 2022, 03:34:37 PM

@FuzzGNU


I thought the new 60 mm Conical Full wheels are the same shape as the old (not OG) standard urethane Classic shape, which were not round but actually in the Conical Full shape right from go.

Here is a close up of them anyway, measurements as Jakeumms said are the same.


* And yes they were big solid wheels, which is why a lot of the Bowl Barneys and others liked them so much.



(https://i.ibb.co/17tgPqF/Spitfire-60mm-Classic-shape-old.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gn4682z)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on June 13, 2022, 04:09:35 PM
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How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?
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Wasn't a fan of the slide. That is my main complaint with them (besides being a bit bouncy and muted feeling). They are hard to get sliding, and then they are really sticky once they do slide. Takes a lot of effort to not get bucked off a standard powerslide from my experience.

They tackle crust super well though, so a wheel with great utility... just not the most "fun" wheel.

When the Powell SSF 93a eventually come out, I recommend those over F4 97a. Similar amount of crust tackling, but feels like a harder wheel and slides super well.
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100%. I said this in the wheel thread but the 93a Bones isn’t my favorite wheel but imo it is absolutely better than the 97a Spitfire (which I like a lot). Now that I’ve skated both, I will not be returning to the 97a.

Thanks for reiterating this!
I too like the f4 97s, but they are kinda weird, in that the wheel feels good on bad ground, and bad on good ground. So skating to the spot feels good, and then skating ‘the spot’ usually feels less good. I was all set to get some f4 53 classics and call it good, but these wheels are more and more intriguing.
I’ve been skating f4 52 conical fulls, 101s, the most often, and after a really harsh initial break in, they feel good. Some of the trash roads in the PNW are not fun, but the wheels roll way better than I thought they would, considering the hard durometer.
I actually prefer thinner, ‘classic’, shaped wheels, and really liked bones stf classic shape (v2s?) back in the day, just not as hyped on the plastic feel.
Really interested to hear more about these wheels, and thankful for more wheel options! It’s been awhile since there have been any significant wheel tech inventions
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on June 13, 2022, 05:58:49 PM

@FuzzGNU


I thought the new 60 mm Conical Full wheels are the same shape as the old (not OG) standard urethane Classic shape, which were not round but actually in the Conical Full shape right from go.

Here is a close up of them anyway, measurements as Jakeumms said are the same.


* And yes they were big solid wheels, which is why a lot of the Bowl Barneys and others liked them so much.



(https://i.ibb.co/17tgPqF/Spitfire-60mm-Classic-shape-old.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gn4682z)

Seems sacrilegious to go with the red swirl since that colorway is usually reserved for the 51mm Classics lineup
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 13, 2022, 06:25:17 PM
Finally, after years of searching, I finally found 58mm Conical Fulls. Also, got the Jeff 60s.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/985929931055829052/20220613_170805.jpg)


First since the start of 2020 I think for the Conical Full 58mm in 99 duro.

I know a lot of people have been looking / wanting them.

Those 60mm 97 duro wheels should be good - right size for the shape and duro.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 13, 2022, 06:28:35 PM
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How's the slide on 97a compare to 99a f4s?
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Wasn't a fan of the slide. That is my main complaint with them (besides being a bit bouncy and muted feeling). They are hard to get sliding, and then they are really sticky once they do slide. Takes a lot of effort to not get bucked off a standard powerslide from my experience.

They tackle crust super well though, so a wheel with great utility... just not the most "fun" wheel.

When the Powell SSF 93a eventually come out, I recommend those over F4 97a. Similar amount of crust tackling, but feels like a harder wheel and slides super well.
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100%. I said this in the wheel thread but the 93a Bones isn’t my favorite wheel but imo it is absolutely better than the 97a Spitfire (which I like a lot). Now that I’ve skated both, I will not be returning to the 97a.
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Thanks for reiterating this!
I too like the f4 97s, but they are kinda weird, in that the wheel feels good on bad ground, and bad on good ground. So skating to the spot feels good, and then skating ‘the spot’ usually feels less good. I was all set to get some f4 53 classics and call it good, but these wheels are more and more intriguing.
I’ve been skating f4 52 conical fulls, 101s, the most often, and after a really harsh initial break in, they feel good. Some of the trash roads in the PNW are not fun, but the wheels roll way better than I thought they would, considering the hard durometer.
I actually prefer thinner, ‘classic’, shaped wheels, and really liked bones stf classic shape (v2s?) back in the day, just not as hyped on the plastic feel.
Really interested to hear more about these wheels, and thankful for more wheel options! It’s been awhile since there have been any significant wheel tech inventions

Yeah that was the EXACT thing I hated about F4 97a... Just so slow on good surfaces, and just never felt great. Like they felt alright on really shitty surfaces, but I don't necessarily want to spend all my time on those shitty surfaces.

The SSF 93a are definitely better on good surfaces than F4... But it really shines in shitty situations. Just feels like it normalizes surfaces to feel more similar, if that makes sense.

I've made tons of posts about all of the new duros in the wheels thread if you want to dig through and find them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 13, 2022, 06:29:37 PM
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Finally, after years of searching, I finally found 58mm Conical Fulls. Also, got the Jeff 60s.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526625815794941952/985929931055829052/20220613_170805.jpg)
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First since the start of 2020 I think for the Conical Full 58mm in 99 duro.

I know a lot of people have been looking / wanting them.

Those 60mm 97 duro wheels should be good - right size for the shape and duro.

Do the packaging on either give the width and riding surface of those sizes?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 13, 2022, 06:36:36 PM
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@FuzzGNU


I thought the new 60 mm Conical Full wheels are the same shape as the old (not OG) standard urethane Classic shape, which were not round but actually in the Conical Full shape right from go.

Here is a close up of them anyway, measurements as Jakeumms said are the same.


* And yes they were big solid wheels, which is why a lot of the Bowl Barneys and others liked them so much.



(https://i.ibb.co/17tgPqF/Spitfire-60mm-Classic-shape-old.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gn4682z)
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Seems sacrilegious to go with the red swirl since that colorway is usually reserved for the 51mm Classics lineup


The funny thing is the red swirl was on the 60 mm wheels right from day dot as that was their signature product, so it might have been more the other way round, running out of colours and then having to put the red swirl on the 51 mm wheels when they came out to satisfy the need of so many smaller sizes, given it was at one point just 52, 54, 56, 58 and 60 mm but then they had added in 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61 and 63 mm wheels, not to mention some of the weird ones like anything with .5 eg 54.5 for the Cardiel Classic Full shape I have still.

I get what you are saying though.



Edit:

Spitfire info with all the backing cards from this post for people if needed:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3759408;topicseen#msg3759408


Conical Full additions would be (diameter, width, riding surface):


58  37  27.3
60  38  28

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on June 13, 2022, 07:34:49 PM
Is everyone skating these big wheels on ace classics/indys?
I tried putting radial full 56s on a set of 151s with 1/8" risers and this is all I could imagine:
(https://i.imgur.com/VqgELm6.png)
I cant even imagine what 60s would look like on thunders, just doesn't seem right.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 13, 2022, 07:45:01 PM
Is everyone skating these big wheels on ace classics/indys?
I tried putting radial full 56s on a set of 151s with 1/8" risers and this is all I could imagine:

I cant even imagine what 60s would look like on thunders, just doesn't seem right.


Ha yeah totally felt like that when I tried something similar, even making cruiser boards, I have to lift Thunders so much higher to get the same clearance as I do on Indy trucks.

Maybe some people are more used to it than others too.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on June 13, 2022, 08:50:41 PM
Is everyone skating these big wheels on ace classics/indys?
I tried putting radial full 56s on a set of 151s with 1/8" risers and this is all I could imagine:
(https://i.imgur.com/VqgELm6.png)
I cant even imagine what 60s would look like on thunders, just doesn't seem right.

I skate 56mm on Ace 44 without risers. Works well for me... a little bit of wheelbite here and there, but nothing I notice while riding. Radial Full 56mm were too wide/heavy in general for me personally... but even those didn't have major wheelbite issues for me.

I would personally only use risers if I was skating 57/58+ I think.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on June 14, 2022, 08:21:57 AM
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Wasn't a fan of the slide. That is my main complaint with them (besides being a bit bouncy and muted feeling). They are hard to get sliding, and then they are really sticky once they do slide. Takes a lot of effort to not get bucked off a standard powerslide from my experience.

They tackle crust super well though, so a wheel with great utility... just not the most "fun" wheel.

When the Powell SSF 93a eventually come out, I recommend those over F4 97a. Similar amount of crust tackling, but feels like a harder wheel and slides super well.
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100%. I said this in the wheel thread but the 93a Bones isn’t my favorite wheel but imo it is absolutely better than the 97a Spitfire (which I like a lot). Now that I’ve skated both, I will not be returning to the 97a.
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the wheel feels good on bad ground, and bad on good ground

This is exactly it, you said it perfectly. This is what the Bones wheels provide that the Spitfires did not.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SUPREMENECKPROTECTOR on June 21, 2022, 04:40:35 AM
I had something weird happening to my F4 97a wheels after riding them for a few months. On my toe-side back wheel the bearings do not fit the wheel anymore. It seems as if the wheel widened on the inside and is not gripping the bearing anymore. I never had something like this happen before after countless sets of harder F4 wheels. Anybody ever experience something like this? Is this a defect?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 22, 2022, 06:15:48 PM
Just spent the last few days hitting some very haggard Oregon coastal parks on some 60mm F4 OG Classics. It was so much easier to cruise through haggard crust and get to the coping in areas I previously had to strategize and pump like crazy to reach. Thankful for wheel wells.

That's it. That is my report.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2022, 06:33:45 PM
Just spent the last few days hitting some very haggard Oregon coastal parks on some 60mm F4 OG Classics. It was so much easier to cruise through haggard crust and get to the coping in areas I previously had to strategize and pump like crazy to reach. Thankful for wheel wells.

That's it. That is my report.

Wheel wells are underrated.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on June 22, 2022, 08:35:24 PM
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Just spent the last few days hitting some very haggard Oregon coastal parks on some 60mm F4 OG Classics. It was so much easier to cruise through haggard crust and get to the coping in areas I previously had to strategize and pump like crazy to reach. Thankful for wheel wells.

That's it. That is my report.
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Wheel wells are underrated.

I'm actually enjoying my wheel wells as well. Although my trucks are so loose I still sometimes wheelbite even though i'm on 52mm conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 22, 2022, 08:48:53 PM
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Just spent the last few days hitting some very haggard Oregon coastal parks on some 60mm F4 OG Classics. It was so much easier to cruise through haggard crust and get to the coping in areas I previously had to strategize and pump like crazy to reach. Thankful for wheel wells.

That's it. That is my report.
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Wheel wells are underrated.
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I'm actually enjoying my wheel wells as well. Although my trucks are so loose I still sometimes wheelbite even though i'm on 52mm conicals

If you ride loose it helps sooooo much; I'm surprised there aren't more boards out there with them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: l1ll1ll1 on July 04, 2022, 07:11:12 AM
Maybe it's been answered already, but I didnt find anything:
Got the Kader 60mms Radial Fulls, not yet set up, but want to now and just realised they aren't symmetrical. The printed side has a deeper cut out for bearings, than the unprinted. So if you put the side with the graphics outside, the wheels will stick out more... Normal? The 57mm Oski Radials I'm currently on are perfectly symmetrical...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on July 04, 2022, 08:20:22 AM
yeah that seems to be the case. at least for the set i’m on rn
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: l1ll1ll1 on July 04, 2022, 11:19:16 AM
yeah that seems to be the case. at least for the set i’m on rn

Yeah ok they are asymmetrical, but also 2 out of 4 wheels had the unprinted side not properly cut out, so the bearings didnt fit all the way in. Had to carve them out with a knife...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on July 04, 2022, 12:04:23 PM
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yeah that seems to be the case. at least for the set i’m on rn
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Yeah ok they are asymmetrical, but also 2 out of 4 wheels had the unprinted side not properly cut out, so the bearings didnt fit all the way in. Had to carve them out with a knife...

Is spitfire becoming the ace (classics) of wheels? My last 2 sets had defects
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 04, 2022, 02:02:10 PM
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yeah that seems to be the case. at least for the set i’m on rn
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Yeah ok they are asymmetrical, but also 2 out of 4 wheels had the unprinted side not properly cut out, so the bearings didnt fit all the way in. Had to carve them out with a knife...
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Is spitfire becoming the ace (classics) of wheels? My last 2 sets had defects

My Radial Full from the first batch also had a defect that caused the wheels to wobble. Seems like they were definitely having some QA issues in the past year or less.

They replaced it for me within a month though, so just send a warranty ticket in.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sk8_cat on July 16, 2022, 03:09:37 AM
I just wanted to see why does no one mess with the 101 f4s? I once got a pair of the radial slims and they ruled, fast af and slid pretty close to the 99s, it seems that these days they are almost out of circulation apart from some conical fulls. Also another thing that spitfire does is that they don't produce all of their shapes equally, for me the best all round shape was the radial slims and they are never in circulation it seems they only produce the ridiculously fat shapes these days like conical fulls and radial fulls, plus the classics that are super skinny, whatever happened to the classics full shape? that was pretty good... at the end of the day these full shapes cost more urethane lol. I don't know maybe its a marketing move or something...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 16, 2022, 01:24:28 PM
I just wanted to see why does no one mess with the 101 f4s? I once got a pair of the radial slims and they ruled, fast af and slid pretty close to the 99s, it seems that these days they are almost out of circulation apart from some conical fulls. Also another thing that spitfire does is that they don't produce all of their shapes equally, for me the best all round shape was the radial slims and they are never in circulation it seems they only produce the ridiculously fat shapes these days like conical fulls and radial fulls, plus the classics that are super skinny, whatever happened to the classics full shape? that was pretty good... at the end of the day these full shapes cost more urethane lol. I don't know maybe its a marketing move or something...

Softer wheels roll better over shitty streets and such. If you live outside of California and want to street skate, 101+ wheels are pretty hard to make work. I don't know if you've looked around in America but we have a crumbling infrastructure. In places with winters, the ground gets destroyed very quickly and then needs to be repaired. And those repairs ain't happening.

Its why I switched to F4 97a, and now I skate the new Powell Dragon 93a which feel like ~98a (I hope Spitfire responds with a wheel like that of their own).

On top of that, I think most people who like skating really hard wheels are still holdovers skating STF 103a (which were considered the best wheel before F4 came out). I've never tried F4 101a, so I can't compare the two, but I'm sure if your streets are good enough for 101a, you might as well skate 103a and double down on the benefits a hard wheel gives you.

Bones seems to do a better job at stocking all of their shapes. Their V4 shape is similar to Spitfire Radials. Maybe see if any of their narrower ones are up your alley. Keep in mind their wheels tend to have a way more narrow riding surface compared to Spitfire counterparts, so they might feel more narrow than their overall width suggests: https://bones.com/why/shapes/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 16, 2022, 06:39:10 PM
I have to disagree with some of the above. First, CA is a big state and much of it has pretty haggard streets, even in the skateboarding land of milk and honey. It cracks me up that many of us think we are skating 'crust' bc we don't live in CA.

Second, 101 F4s actually do pretty OK on haggard terrain. I used to use them a fair bit in the summers in Portland,. Mainly to teach myself backside power slides on hills (it worked). B/c they have such a high 'rebound' they can handle a little ruggedness. Obviously they don't suck up crust as well as 99s or 97s but they felt better to me than STFs and certainly SPFs.

The main reason I don't use them is I prefer the slip-to-grip ratio of 99s. I like the way the 99s bite when I want them to. The 101s were a little sketch in super smooth parks for the way I skate and the slide wasn't as controlled. They slide too well and I like a little resistance. Now I can do backside power slides, they feel even better on 99s but it took trying them at slower speeds on 101s to dial them in.

If you want to slide at slower speeds or if you're into technical ledge or even curb skating, give them a go. If you're struggling with a certain slide trick or bummed the way your Thunders lock into nose and tail slides, these could be other reasons to try 101s. I've only tried the 101s in 54mm size and classic and radial slim shapes. I'd be curious to try them in a bigger, wider shape.

Ultimately, F4 99s just fucking rule as an all round/ all terrain wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on July 16, 2022, 07:49:28 PM
I have to disagree with some of the above. First, CA is a big state and much of it has pretty haggard streets, even in the skateboarding land of milk and honey. It cracks me up that many of us think we are skating 'crust' bc we don't live in CA.

Second, 101 F4s actually do pretty OK on haggard terrain. I used to use them a fair bit in the summers in Portland,. Mainly to teach myself backside power slides on hills (it worked). B/c they have such a high 'rebound' they can handle a little ruggedness. Obviously they don't suck up crust as well as 99s or 97s but they felt better to me than STFs and certainly SPFs.

The main reason I don't use them is I prefer the slip-to-grip ratio of 99s. I like the way the 99s bite when I want them to. The 101s were a little sketch in super smooth parks for the way I skate and the slide wasn't as controlled. They slide too well and I like a little resistance. Now I can do backside power slides, they feel even better on 99s but it took trying them at slower speeds on 101s to dial them in.

If you want to slide at slower speeds or if you're into technical ledge or even curb skating, give them a go. If you're struggling with a certain slide trick or bummed the way your Thunders lock into nose and tail slides, these could be other reasons to try 101s. I've only tried the 101s in 54mm size and classic and radial slim shapes. I'd be curious to try them in a bigger, wider shape.

Ultimately, F4 99s just fucking rule as an all round/ all terrain wheel.

To be clear, in places with actual long snowstorm winters, the concrete is designed to expand and contract with ice. When the ground has to work for both 100+ degrees and 40 below, it has to be made very different in ways that are not conducive to skateboarding. That weather then wreaks havoc on the roads and they have to be replaced pretty frequently. My point is that there is more consistent and rampant bad terrain here. You can't really skate to/from spots around here with 99a even. It can involve a lot of having to pick up your board for blocks at a time.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 16, 2022, 08:20:49 PM
I just wanted to see why does no one mess with the 101 f4s? I once got a pair of the radial slims and they ruled, fast af and slid pretty close to the 99s, it seems that these days they are almost out of circulation apart from some conical fulls. Also another thing that spitfire does is that they don't produce all of their shapes equally, for me the best all round shape was the radial slims and they are never in circulation it seems they only produce the ridiculously fat shapes these days like conical fulls and radial fulls, plus the classics that are super skinny, whatever happened to the classics full shape? that was pretty good... at the end of the day these full shapes cost more urethane lol. I don't know maybe its a marketing move or something...


Said it before but the 99 has always been a good constant and solid feeling wheel to ride, of which I have never had any issues in how they perform for me.

The 101 by comparison has often been hit and miss, sometimes very hard and slippery, sometimes no where near the 99 in how they slide and other factors, which is a funny one, but also been said by a number of people on here and in other conversations I have had.

This is not going into flatspots, warranty problems or product issues, of which I have seen with any and EVERY brand wheel I have ever skated, coming from a shop perspective.


As far as certain shapes and things, they do have almost too many options, so it does make it hard to keep up with almost ten semi regular shapes, most with half a dozen sizes or more, the classic 99 formula, Formula Four 99 and 101 (and 97 now too) plus the 80HD wheels, then natural vs coloured or mixed swirl colouring, all with limiting factors coming into play as well, with manufacturing issues, shortages of materials and whatever else is going on from 2020, through 2021 and now seemingly also into 2022.

I guess too it comes down to what is the most popular wheel to make, which is often not the favourite wheel of any one person, being Classic or Conical Full for a while now, but right now increasingly bigger wider wheels, more so than slim variations.

The Tablet shape seems like it has all but replaced the Radial Slim in that market share, which I know makes some people unhappy, but the Conical (not Conical Full) is also fairly close too, which I recommend anyone try who wanted Radial Slims.

The normal Radial is coming out with more options again too for those who liked that shape.


As said, the Classic and Conical Full wheels are pretty much the main stock that moves, with others like OG Classics also selling fairly well overall too and all three take a majority share of the Spitfire market sales, from what I have seen.  That is not to say that if all I had were one certain shape, they wouldn't be the main seller either, but when people want a specific shape before even setting foot in a store, there is often no need to change their minds to try anything else.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on July 17, 2022, 06:12:40 AM
I have some 52 mm conical full is in 101 that are awesome. Big fan. The roads were I live are old, rain beaten. The 101s felt bad day one, and broke in and got a lot better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: europa1991 on July 23, 2022, 03:04:25 PM
Anyone have any positive things to say about Tablet 55s?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on July 23, 2022, 06:53:33 PM
Anyone have any positive things to say about Tablet 55s?

I wanted but couldn't find them, then I compared the specs with the 55mm OG classics and (only for 55mm) it's pretty much the same wheel so I got those. Rode them for a very long time and loved everything about them. Amazing lock in
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 23, 2022, 07:41:03 PM
Anyone have any positive things to say about Tablet 55s?

I've some 54 tabs, they're ok (great if all you skate are ledges and maybe rails). I feel the taller I go the wider I should go as well. At that size I'd prefer the regular conical due to the rounded lip.

I didn't like tablets at all for slappies (but they work) and flatland with big square wheels felt off.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 23, 2022, 08:04:51 PM
Anyone have any positive things to say about Tablet 55s?

I'm on 55 tablets  right now although they are closer to 53 at this point. . They've been on four set ups and seem to be lasting really well. I actually like them more now they have worn smaller.

IMO, good on curbs and coping but my flip tricks suffered until they wore down a bit. Like Xen said, bigger square wheels can effect flips... at least when you are old and slow like me...

55 OG classics are very very close in width and contact width. I'd consider those also as they have a slight sidecut.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on July 23, 2022, 08:53:07 PM
Tablets worked pretty decent for me…I just don’t like how they look. Classics look good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 24, 2022, 03:03:58 AM
I recently impulse-bought a set of 56 mm Radial Fulls and they may have sparked a new love for large wheels. I have been using 52 mm Classics and Classics Full on my popsicle before.

Just pushing around and rolling feels so much better, and somehow that translates into how I do my tricks. More flow and more commitment!

They are bulky of course. Flip tricks are draining, which sucks since I have been on a mission to (re)learn them. I equally like the Radial Fulls on street and transition, which I cannot say has been true for any other F4 shape.

About the video, I have never been able to do that manual around my local bowl on 52 mm wheels, and I can do it consistently on the Radial Fulls. Now I kind of want to go fast enough so I can properly roll in.

(https://i.ibb.co/Qrw0qGY/IMG-3199-2-copy.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/5K4SL41/IMG-3198-2-copy.jpg)

https://youtu.be/m83s4Q6Ft6Y
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on July 24, 2022, 03:14:42 AM
Not gonna lie, those things look ridiculous.
Classic fulls on the other hand…. Might ween me off the radial hill I’m dying on
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on July 24, 2022, 07:09:31 AM
I recently impulse-bought a set of 56 mm Radial Fulls and they may have sparked a new love for large wheels. I have been using 52 mm Classics and Classics Full on my popsicle before.

Just pushing around and rolling feels so much better, and somehow that translates into how I do my tricks. More flow and more commitment!

They are bulky of course. Flip tricks are draining, which sucks since I have been on a mission to (re)learn them. I equally like the Radial Fulls on street and transition, which I cannot say has been true for any other F4 shape.

About the video, I have never been able to do that manual around my local bowl on 52 mm wheels, and I can do it consistently on the Radial Fulls. Now I kind of want to go fast enough so I can properly roll in.

(https://i.ibb.co/Qrw0qGY/IMG-3199-2-copy.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/5K4SL41/IMG-3198-2-copy.jpg)

https://youtu.be/m83s4Q6Ft6Y

I bought these same radial fulls in 58mm from a pal, and they’re actually hilarious how big and stupid they are. I set them up on my cruiser and they’re like little monster truck wheels. They do roll very smooth, but I can’t imagine trying to flip em
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 24, 2022, 07:17:29 AM
Haha, I agree that they look ridiculous especially in comparison to the 52 mm Classic Full. Though fully set up on the 9.25 popsicle with 169s it’s not too bad actually. Flipping this board is challenging no matter what but they definitely add some heft. Maybe the 55 mm Radials that recently came out are the best compromise. For an all around board I cannot see myself go back under 54 mm right now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on July 24, 2022, 10:51:49 AM
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Anyone have any positive things to say about Tablet 55s?
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55 OG classics are very very close in width and contact width. I'd consider those also as they have a slight sidecut.



I was going to edit that into my post, now, I don't have to!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on July 24, 2022, 10:56:50 AM
Haha, I agree that they look ridiculous especially in comparison to the 52 mm Classic Full. Though fully set up on the 9.25 popsicle with 169s it’s not too bad actually. Flipping this board is challenging no matter what but they definitely add some heft. Maybe the 55 mm Radials that recently came out are the best compromise. For an all around board I cannot see myself go back under 54 mm right now.

I’m riding the 55 oski radials and they’re pretty damn near perfect. I would love a 52-53 radial for my street set ups but they haven’t done one in a while it seems
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 24, 2022, 07:01:21 PM
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Haha, I agree that they look ridiculous especially in comparison to the 52 mm Classic Full. Though fully set up on the 9.25 popsicle with 169s it’s not too bad actually. Flipping this board is challenging no matter what but they definitely add some heft. Maybe the 55 mm Radials that recently came out are the best compromise. For an all around board I cannot see myself go back under 54 mm right now.
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I’m riding the 55 oski radials and they’re pretty damn near perfect. I would love a 52-53 radial for my street set ups but they haven’t done one in a while it seems


Bigger wheels definitely have a place in my heart, but I also have quite a few setups.  Even just having two completes, one with bigger wheels and one with smaller wheels usually means I have the best of both worlds, but the other thing is a lot of the time they are the same wheels, one set fairly new, the other set well worn down, so there is that option, depending on which wheel it is, more so the Classics but any wheel should be ok besides super heavy wide wheels.

As far as Radial Full wheels, I have seen them around a bit now in shops and on people's boards and they are an excellent wheel for the sort of skating that relies on going faster, rolling over everything and fewer tech type tricks, even though people can still flip, grind and slide well on them.

The only reason I haven't bought a set or three is I just have too many other wheels and cannot justify any more, but I think they would be a whole lot of fun on bigger or "go faster" boards, for which I already have Conical Full or Radial Full in 56 and 58 mm sizes.

The two sets of Radials in 54 mm I have are maybe 52 to 53 mm now and are so good, but I also find wearing down Classic 54, 55 or 56 to a similar size works just as well for me, so if you are pining for Radials, then at least that is another option, using them on a bigger board to start with and then putting them on the tech setup once they wear down a few mm.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: typeischeap on July 25, 2022, 06:17:09 AM
I’m riding the 55 oski radials and they’re pretty damn near perfect. I would love a 52-53 radial for my street set ups but they haven’t done one in a while it seems

I picked up some 53 trippy swirl radials in HB a few weeks ago. The skate like a girl wheels come in this size and shape too. They are low stock so just have to find them...

Edit: neither of those are potato colored so that may matter to some.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on July 25, 2022, 08:53:40 AM
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I’m riding the 55 oski radials and they’re pretty damn near perfect. I would love a 52-53 radial for my street set ups but they haven’t done one in a while it seems
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I picked up some 53 trippy swirl radials in HB a few weeks ago. The skate like a girl wheels come in this size and shape too. They are low stock so just have to find them...

Edit: neither of those are potato colored so that may matter to some.

Yeah, that was my issue, colored wheels just don't do it for me. I should just get over it but I keep thinking "the next drop will have potato 53 radials, i know it".
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on July 27, 2022, 10:18:09 AM
Haha, I agree that they look ridiculous especially in comparison to the 52 mm Classic Full. Though fully set up on the 9.25 popsicle with 169s it’s not too bad actually. Flipping this board is challenging no matter what but they definitely add some heft. Maybe the 55 mm Radials that recently came out are the best compromise. For an all around board I cannot see myself go back under 54 mm right now.

Wheel madness is real. Took my Heroin egg out for a lazy day session. Really liked the 53 mm Classics on that setup, so not sure about the big wheels any more. I'll just give up on finding the perfect setup and mix things up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bumba on August 02, 2022, 07:35:39 AM
Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on August 02, 2022, 07:42:36 AM
Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
I don't have any info on radials, but classic fulls are becoming about as scarce since they weren't in the last drop.  So if you know where some are you better grab them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on August 02, 2022, 08:24:42 AM
Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?

Seriously. It's like they just stopped producing radial/radial slims. Damn shame.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bumba on August 02, 2022, 08:59:49 AM
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Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
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I don't have any info on radials, but classic fulls are becoming about as scarce since they weren't in the last drop.  So if you know where some are you better grab them.

Aghhh okay think I'll grab them then. They're from a shop I like too. It's the repeaters graphic from last year I think

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bumba on August 02, 2022, 09:00:39 AM
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Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
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Seriously. It's like they just stopped producing radial/radial slims. Damn shame.

Yeah not sure what's going on. Such a good shape and I feel like they last forever unlike classics. Can only find the chunky Oski and Kader Radials atm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: typeischeap on August 02, 2022, 09:21:02 AM
Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?

I posted a few posts up...they are out there but not in potato color.

https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-radial-trippy-swirl-skateboard-wheels-99d-53mm-1-7536761569536/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 02, 2022, 10:47:53 AM
Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?

Yeah I’ve heard rumors there may be some 53-54 radials coming, but no potato colors; all black or swirl or whatever
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bumba on August 02, 2022, 11:22:18 AM
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Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
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I posted a few posts up...they are out there but not in potato color.

https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-radial-trippy-swirl-skateboard-wheels-99d-53mm-1-7536761569536/

Thanks for the help. Shame they're not making it as a staple wheel in potato colour. I'll go for the classic fulls. Not much difference but I just really like the radials that I'm skating atm.

Lesson: don't get too attached to a certain product 😂
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Weezil on August 02, 2022, 12:22:35 PM
^that's true. that's one my personal rules with gear, if I can't get that part whenever I want, I don't really wanna run it on my regular setup. Shit getting broken and worn out is part of skating, so skating something I can't get again, whether it's a deck, shoes, wheels, trucks kinda stresses me out. That way you can enjoy destroying your product.

that's why I dont really fuck with shaped boards either, had fun on a dan's rig shape and didn't see another pop up for like 2 years. Now I dont want another one, even though dan's the man.

I always buy f4 classics or conical fulls b/c they always run them every season in a ton of sizes and all the duros they offer, and I think they both look cool. don't really have a preference on wheel shape either. I just run what I feel like looking at.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on August 02, 2022, 01:13:58 PM
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Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
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I don't have any info on radials, but classic fulls are becoming about as scarce since they weren't in the last drop.  So if you know where some are you better grab them.
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Aghhh okay think I'll grab them then. They're from a shop I like too. It's the repeaters graphic from last year I think
Yeah that's what I'm running in 52mm right now and love them.  Trying to scare up a set of 54s for backup but striking out so far.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 02, 2022, 04:07:47 PM
^that's true. that's one my personal rules with gear, if I can't get that part whenever I want, I don't really wanna run it on my regular setup. Shit getting broken and worn out is part of skating, so skating something I can't get again, whether it's a deck, shoes, wheels, trucks kinda stresses me out. That way you can enjoy destroying your product.

that's why I dont really fuck with shaped boards either, had fun on a dan's rig shape and didn't see another pop up for like 2 years. Now I dont want another one, even though dan's the man.

I always buy f4 classics or conical fulls b/c they always run them every season in a ton of sizes and all the duros they offer, and I think they both look cool. don't really have a preference on wheel shape either. I just run what I feel like looking at.



I feel you. I don't run shaped boards anymore for that reason and ditched riding Spit radial slims for regular conicals because they are readily available. I'm also weening myself off twins since they are (sans DLX) are disappearing.

Shoes are different tho, if I REALLY like a pair I will buy another to put on ice. If, when I get to the second pair and I've found a better shoe, I'll sell the other pair off (usually at a profit).

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on August 06, 2022, 07:39:03 AM
I've been skating the 58mm radial fulls for a week or so and these have gotta be the slipperiest wheels I've ever had. I love the shape and width and the slide is definitely awesome, but they're almost too slippery and they're 99a. Anyone else experience this?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 06, 2022, 11:03:23 AM
I've been skating the 58mm radial fulls for a week or so and these have gotta be the slipperiest wheels I've ever had. I love the shape and width and the slide is definitely awesome, but they're almost too slippery and they're 99a. Anyone else experience this?

Are they natural or dyed color?

Edit: reread... My Radial Fulls were not overly slippery, but did have some defect. Not sure what that it about.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 06, 2022, 11:04:35 AM
I've been skating the 58mm radial fulls for a week or so and these have gotta be the slipperiest wheels I've ever had. I love the shape and width and the slide is definitely awesome, but they're almost too slippery and they're 99a. Anyone else experience this?

I’ve got the same wheels and they’ve been ok for me. They’re on a cruiser and I roll them in a dusty ass warehouse that’s hella slick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on August 07, 2022, 07:11:55 AM
Phew, I can't imagine trying these out indoors it would be an ice rink. I still love em though. Everyone has been commenting on how massive they look, too and they're like what shape are those?! I lined em up alongside 60mm 95a OJ Combos and they're basically the same width it's nuts ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 07, 2022, 07:22:42 AM
Phew, I can't imagine trying these out indoors it would be an ice rink. I still love em though. Everyone has been commenting on how massive they look, too and they're like what shape are those?! I lined em up alongside 60mm 95a OJ Combos and they're basically the same width it's nuts ;D

It’s crazy how big they are, they’re little monster truck wheels. I had NFG MFG 58 Vees before which looked big and these blow them away
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on August 10, 2022, 04:04:39 AM
Can someone please tell me what the difference is between Conical, Radial (both offer half and Full versions it seems), Classic etc? i understand its the way the wheels are cut out, but why?

Also, do you guys notice much difference between a 99a and a 101a in f4s?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on August 10, 2022, 05:07:14 AM
Can someone please tell me what the difference is between Conical, Radial (both offer half and Full versions it seems), Classic etc? i understand its the way the wheels are cut out, but why?

Also, do you guys notice much difference between a 99a and a 101a in f4s?
https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/
This is missing radial full but its essentially a radial with wider and bigger contact patch. As for why the different cuts, I can only say, the sidewall cut determines lockability and transition dismount (the ease of reentry that the sidewall allows against the coping). A straighter cut locks in better while a rounder edge lets you come off the grind easier and is easier to get off the ground for scoop tricks since theres less resistance. All this is based off my experience by the way.  The width and contact patch determines stability, slidability (smaller contact patch and width generally slides easier), and weight. The only way to truly know if any of this matters to you is to try them.

99 and 101 definitely has a tangible difference for me. 99 is generally agreed to be a good all around durometer while the 101  felt icy and harsh on rough ground for me but eventually felt normal after breaking them in. 101s felt slightly faster but not enough for me to go with those over 99s in the future.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on August 10, 2022, 06:01:52 AM
Thank you Camel Filters!

I am just talking to my homey on the discord about it too and he rides the Conical Full @ 56mm and they seem to be some of the widest wheels that they have, which seems in tune with what I like. I dont like the look of those skinny wheels at all and i also just like the way those fatter wheels feel. I think I just need to figure out what size I want (58mm is too big i get bit too much wheelbite but it i also dont mind it too much, probably 56mm is fine but might go bit smaller) but Conical Full 99a seems to be pretty ideal for me!

the main drawback of my soft 95a OJ wheels is metal edges of skatepark do not slide well AT ALL. Seems like even 99a F4 will handle this no problem.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 10, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
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Can someone please tell me what the difference is between Conical, Radial (both offer half and Full versions it seems), Classic etc? i understand its the way the wheels are cut out, but why?

Also, do you guys notice much difference between a 99a and a 101a in f4s?
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https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/
This is missing radial full but its essentially a radial with wider and bigger contact patch. As for why the different cuts, I can only say, the sidewall cut determines lockability and transition dismount (the ease of reentry that the sidewall allows against the coping). A straighter cut locks in better while a rounder edge lets you come off the grind easier and is easier to get off the ground for scoop tricks since theres less resistance. All this is based off my experience by the way.  The width and contact patch determines stability, slidability (smaller contact patch and width generally slides easier), and weight. The only way to truly know if any of this matters to you is to try them.

99 and 101 definitely has a tangible difference for me. 99 is generally agreed to be a good all around durometer while the 101  felt icy and harsh on rough ground for me but eventually felt normal after breaking them in. 101s felt slightly faster but not enough for me to go with those over 99s in the future.


Yes, I agree with all of that too.


The most common size and shape seems to be the Conical Full 54mm wheel in 99 duro, or at least for people I know and skate with, especially for ledge and rail skating, where they are still wide enough without being too wide, like the bigger sizes.  If you are more into the bigger and wider wheels, the 56mm Conical Full wheel is most likely going to be just what you want.

There are 55 and 57mm Oski Radials out right now, as well as talk of more 56mm Radials too, but I don't know when they are coming out.  They are pretty much the middle ground between Classic and other more squared off shapes like Conical Full wheels.  I have had a few sets of those in 54 and 56 mm sizes, along with the Classic Full and they keep me happy with the wider overall feel, but not the squared off / lock in feeling of the Conical Full wheels.

At least there should be a good number of Conical Full wheels around, way more than Radial or Classic Full, but another one that does come out in bigger sizes and is widely available is the OG Classic, which is a little more squared off, not quite as wide, but definitely does everything a "lock in" type wheel does.


Maybe too many shapes as has been said before, but this link to the posts with all the info should help as well:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3724959#msg3724959



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on August 10, 2022, 10:40:45 PM
Thank you Camel Filters!

I am just talking to my homey on the discord about it too and he rides the Conical Full @ 56mm and they seem to be some of the widest wheels that they have, which seems in tune with what I like. I dont like the look of those skinny wheels at all and i also just like the way those fatter wheels feel. I think I just need to figure out what size I want (58mm is too big i get bit too much wheelbite but it i also dont mind it too much, probably 56mm is fine but might go bit smaller) but Conical Full 99a seems to be pretty ideal for me!

the main drawback of my soft 95a OJ wheels is metal edges of skatepark do not slide well AT ALL. Seems like even 99a F4 will handle this no problem.

You might look at the 56mm Radial Full, too. If you’re on a wider setup, those wheels are pretty rad for rolling around concrete transition.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mbam003 on August 13, 2022, 02:56:41 AM
A worn down 54mm conical and 52mm og classic should have very little difference, correct? Going by the measurements.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on August 13, 2022, 06:57:02 AM
Googling “Spitfire wheel shapes” will answer a lot of the questions in this thread. Pics of the shape with height/width/contact patch info.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on August 13, 2022, 07:12:59 AM
Googling “Spitfire wheel shapes” will answer a lot of the questions in this thread. Pics of the shape with height/width/contact patch info.

ah, but why google when you are on slap!

For anyone who is in need of a Spitfire Wheel Chart that comes in the packaging of the wheels.

I do have a pic of the card with Spitfire Classic Full wheels too, but the sizes are not correct past 53mm, so I added to this one, which I feel is still not quite correct, but closer than what it was before.

Sorry if I didn't credit your pic, but these were spread throughout this and other threads and I only thought about it afterwards.


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(https://i.ibb.co/2ZP2mdh/IMAG1854.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJGKBDf)




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Here's the one from the Oskis if it helps...
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(https://i.ibb.co/NThG9Yf/PXL-20220123-153607760.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jJKjy4q)




Charts to compare size (incorrect sizes on the Classic full wheels on the chart, but correct below in text):

(https://i.ibb.co/v4cKzCy/Spitfire-classic-full-specs-1a.jpg)

I had a dig through some boxes and found not only the old Classic Full cards, but also a set of the Spitfire Cardiel Charro wheels, which are actually 54.5 mm and they measure 35 wide with 19 contact (maybe even 19.5 mm contact).

So the sizes are really as follows:


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24



(https://i.ibb.co/XW1Q85R/Spitfire-Radial-chart.jpg)


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(https://i.ibb.co/NgvKx3g/Spitfire-Radial-Full-chart1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Gf6R7Jf)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 13, 2022, 07:45:40 AM
Lest we forget the Reynolds classic ’slim’ RIP

(https://i.ibb.co/bmLR7X2/C810-CE68-B2-A2-4267-BD2-A-14-E97401297-D.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bmLR7X2)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 13, 2022, 07:53:05 AM
Seeing the Classics Full measurements again makes me wonder how relevant the 52 mm ones really are. Same width as 53 mm Classics, which will have a similar contact patch once worn down to 52 mm. I liked my Classics Full (passed them on) but am wondering if I should just go with 53 mm Classics when I am buying my next set of smaller wheels as they are much more widely available.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 13, 2022, 07:24:48 PM
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Googling “Spitfire wheel shapes” will answer a lot of the questions in this thread. Pics of the shape with height/width/contact patch info.
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ah, but why google when you are on slap!



For sure.

That is why I tried to get all the information on the same post which could be seen again and again.

Still bugs me I got the Classic Full dimensions wrong in the bigger sizes, when I altered that pic, but I listed them in text below so it is not that big a deal really.


* Thanks again to those contributors as well.

@typeischeap
@Schinken



Seeing the Classics Full measurements again makes me wonder how relevant the 52 mm ones really are. Same width as 53 mm Classics, which will have a similar contact patch once worn down to 52 mm. I liked my Classics Full (passed them on) but am wondering if I should just go with 53 mm Classics when I am buying my next set of smaller wheels as they are much more widely available.


If you can deal with the size and shape to start with, they will definitely be easier to find and last a little longer, being that 1 mm bigger overall.

I have been skating some slightly used Classic 54mm wheels just to see how they add up compared to the Classic Full and I must say that they don't disappoint, that is for sure.  The ride is so similar, as are the current dimensions.



 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Plan9Customs on August 13, 2022, 09:07:13 PM
Seeing the Classics Full measurements again makes me wonder how relevant the 52 mm ones really are. Same width as 53 mm Classics, which will have a similar contact patch once worn down to 52 mm. I liked my Classics Full (passed them on) but am wondering if I should just go with 53 mm Classics when I am buying my next set of smaller wheels as they are much more widely available.
Not worth much but I love 53/99 classic shape. Great all around wheel and lock in is good as well as reverts out of grinds.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SwitchBigspinflipBoneless on August 14, 2022, 09:58:08 AM
Yo I've got to get some new wheels,  been riding 56mm 99a conical fulls.

Really like them,  but downside is how bulky they feel trying flip tricks &  how much weight they add to my set up compared to mates' set ups.

I mainly skate bowls and ramps,  but want to get into more flip tricks and street stuff.

 Anyone got any recs that'd make it a bit lighter,  but without slipping out in a bowl /having to pump way harder?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 14, 2022, 11:22:01 AM
Yo I've got to get some new wheels,  been riding 56mm 99a conical fulls.

Really like them,  but downside is how bulky they feel trying flip tricks &  how much weight they add to my set up compared to mates' set ups.

I mainly skate bowls and ramps,  but want to get into more flip tricks and street stuff.

 Anyone got any recs that'd make it a bit lighter,  but without slipping out in a bowl /having to pump way harder?

Cheers!

54mm Conical
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on August 14, 2022, 06:41:52 PM
Yo I've got to get some new wheels,  been riding 56mm 99a conical fulls.

Really like them,  but downside is how bulky they feel trying flip tricks &  how much weight they add to my set up compared to mates' set ups.

I mainly skate bowls and ramps,  but want to get into more flip tricks and street stuff.

 Anyone got any recs that'd make it a bit lighter,  but without slipping out in a bowl /having to pump way harder?

Cheers!

aces or a deck with a tighter wheelbase
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 15, 2022, 01:49:01 AM
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Yo I've got to get some new wheels,  been riding 56mm 99a conical fulls.

Really like them,  but downside is how bulky they feel trying flip tricks &  how much weight they add to my set up compared to mates' set ups.

I mainly skate bowls and ramps,  but want to get into more flip tricks and street stuff.

 Anyone got any recs that'd make it a bit lighter,  but without slipping out in a bowl /having to pump way harder?

Cheers!
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54mm Conical

This, or OG Classics (assuming you want to stick to a conical shape). And maybe consider Titaniums if you Re riding Indys, they help a lot with making bigger setups feel lighter.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SwitchBigspinflipBoneless on August 15, 2022, 02:18:50 AM
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Yo I've got to get some new wheels,  been riding 56mm 99a conical fulls.

Really like them,  but downside is how bulky they feel trying flip tricks &  how much weight they add to my set up compared to mates' set ups.

I mainly skate bowls and ramps,  but want to get into more flip tricks and street stuff.

 Anyone got any recs that'd make it a bit lighter,  but without slipping out in a bowl /having to pump way harder?

Cheers!
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54mm Conical
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This, or OG Classics (assuming you want to stick to a conical shape). And maybe consider Titaniums if you Re riding Indys, they help a lot with making bigger setups feel lighter.

Sweet cheers for the advice, can confirm that buying conicals are a nightmare (at least in UK).  Only found one shop that does 54s the rest are all conical fulls.

I skate Venture Lights 5.6 Hi,  been on ventures since a kid.  Maybe time for a change.

... is this how gear madness starts??
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 15, 2022, 02:27:35 AM
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Yo I've got to get some new wheels,  been riding 56mm 99a conical fulls.

Really like them,  but downside is how bulky they feel trying flip tricks &  how much weight they add to my set up compared to mates' set ups.

I mainly skate bowls and ramps,  but want to get into more flip tricks and street stuff.

 Anyone got any recs that'd make it a bit lighter,  but without slipping out in a bowl /having to pump way harder?

Cheers!
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54mm Conical
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This, or OG Classics (assuming you want to stick to a conical shape). And maybe consider Titaniums if you Re riding Indys, they help a lot with making bigger setups feel lighter.
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Sweet cheers for the advice, can confirm that buying conicals are a nightmare (at least in UK).  Only found one shop that does 54s the rest are all conical fulls.

I skate Venture Lights 5.6 Hi,  been on ventures since a kid.  Maybe time for a change.

... is this how gear madness starts??

I don't think the Indy Titaniums are much lighter than your Ventures. Also they ride differently, wouldn't mess with that. Get some 54 mm F4 OG Classics if Conicals are hard to come by!
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Post by: Boog on August 15, 2022, 03:45:28 AM
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Yo I've got to get some new wheels,  been riding 56mm 99a conical fulls.

Really like them,  but downside is how bulky they feel trying flip tricks &  how much weight they add to my set up compared to mates' set ups.

I mainly skate bowls and ramps,  but want to get into more flip tricks and street stuff.

 Anyone got any recs that'd make it a bit lighter,  but without slipping out in a bowl /having to pump way harder?

Cheers!
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54mm Conical
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This, or OG Classics (assuming you want to stick to a conical shape). And maybe consider Titaniums if you Re riding Indys, they help a lot with making bigger setups feel lighter.
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Sweet cheers for the advice, can confirm that buying conicals are a nightmare (at least in UK).  Only found one shop that does 54s the rest are all conical fulls.

I skate Venture Lights 5.6 Hi,  been on ventures since a kid.  Maybe time for a change.

... is this how gear madness starts??
Don't change your trucks. You've been on them since a kid so you've obviously done your best skating on venture. All changing will do is make you have to re learn everything.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on August 15, 2022, 09:17:28 AM
After drifting away from super hard wheels and going softer 95a-99a for many years now, I decided to revisit some 101a classic shapes and man these are just truly the most premium wheels on the market. The glide and chirp is just un-fucking-matched. I can do a front smith slappy and just glide my front wheels on the ground sloppily the whole way without stopping.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on August 15, 2022, 01:05:23 PM
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Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
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Yeah I’ve heard rumors there may be some 53-54 radials coming, but no potato colors; all black or swirl or whatever
Just saw this posted to instagram, looks like there will be potato after all.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChSst7PvP0j/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/ChSst7PvP0j/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on August 15, 2022, 01:11:59 PM
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Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
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Yeah I’ve heard rumors there may be some 53-54 radials coming, but no potato colors; all black or swirl or whatever
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Just saw this posted to instagram, looks like there will be potato after all.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChSst7PvP0j/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/ChSst7PvP0j/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)

Yoo, 53mm 99a Radials. Each wheel with a different graphic. And Leo Baker. That is all super rad.

Unfortunately I really, really like Standard Conicals.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 15, 2022, 01:22:11 PM
They look quite chunky at that size, almost Radial Full proportions?
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Post by: SwitchBigspinflipBoneless on August 15, 2022, 01:25:11 PM

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Don't change your trucks. You've been on them since a kid so you've obviously done your best skating on venture. All changing will do is make you have to re learn everything.
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The sensible advice that I needed today
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 15, 2022, 01:57:17 PM
Bloody finally, gonna have to stock up again

Edit: Of course they release the day after I cave and buy some 55mms
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 15, 2022, 02:10:32 PM
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Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
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Yeah I’ve heard rumors there may be some 53-54 radials coming, but no potato colors; all black or swirl or whatever
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Just saw this posted to instagram, looks like there will be potato after all.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChSst7PvP0j/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/ChSst7PvP0j/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)

Damn, going to need to cop 2-3 sets...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on August 15, 2022, 05:45:16 PM
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Anyone know what's going on with radials? Been looking for them for months but they're just not available in 54mm or below.

Might have to get some Classic Fulls but not sure if anyone knows anything and if it's worth waiting a bit longer?
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Yeah I’ve heard rumors there may be some 53-54 radials coming, but no potato colors; all black or swirl or whatever
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Just saw this posted to instagram, looks like there will be potato after all.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChSst7PvP0j/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/ChSst7PvP0j/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
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Damn, going to need to cop 2-3 sets...

Just picked up 2 sets from my local. It’s been a good couple months for me. After years of absence, my #2 favorite, lock-ins, are finally back (I’ve got 3 sets on ice). And now my #1, radials are here! I should be set for a while.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: handsclapanin on August 15, 2022, 05:50:06 PM
I couldn’t help but notice in the lower left of this insta post from spitfire, I see a Radial Slim package
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChGL8hovaCs/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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Post by: iw0 on August 15, 2022, 05:57:52 PM
I couldn’t help but notice in the lower left of this insta post from spitfire, I see a Radial Slim package
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChGL8hovaCs/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

saw them on parade earlier too, maybe 5-6 listings?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on August 15, 2022, 05:58:30 PM
whew 53 radial

that's a nice wheel and a dope pro model to boot
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on August 15, 2022, 06:25:52 PM
I really don’t need new wheels but shit I’m tempted.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on August 15, 2022, 06:34:03 PM
Damn, I bought some 53m radials on a whim a few years back and they were great. Very glad to be able to get some more.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 15, 2022, 06:57:26 PM
Radial slim on Tactics

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-slim-skateboard-wheels/venomous-101d
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 15, 2022, 07:49:13 PM
Radial slim on Tactics

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-slim-skateboard-wheels/venomous-101d

Yoink.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on August 16, 2022, 04:15:55 AM
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I couldn’t help but notice in the lower left of this insta post from spitfire, I see a Radial Slim package
https://www.instagram.com/p/ChGL8hovaCs/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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saw them on parade earlier too, maybe 5-6 listings?
My local posted a photo of a huge spitfire restock yesterday and probably a third of them were radial slims, so they’re definitely back.  All 101 though, not sure what the deal is with 99s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 16, 2022, 04:41:04 AM
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Yo I've got to get some new wheels,  been riding 56mm 99a conical fulls.

Really like them,  but downside is how bulky they feel trying flip tricks &  how much weight they add to my set up compared to mates' set ups.

I mainly skate bowls and ramps,  but want to get into more flip tricks and street stuff.

 Anyone got any recs that'd make it a bit lighter,  but without slipping out in a bowl /having to pump way harder?

Cheers!
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54mm Conical
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This, or OG Classics (assuming you want to stick to a conical shape). And maybe consider Titaniums if you Re riding Indys, they help a lot with making bigger setups feel lighter.
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Sweet cheers for the advice, can confirm that buying conicals are a nightmare (at least in UK).  Only found one shop that does 54s the rest are all conical fulls.

I skate Venture Lights 5.6 Hi,  been on ventures since a kid.  Maybe time for a change.

... is this how gear madness starts??


Even just a set of normal 54mm Conical Full wheels.

They are so much more manageable overall than the 56mm Conical Full wheels, especially if they are widely available to you where you are.

Quite a few people I know skate that size and shape as a tech wheel, a bowl wheel, as well as a good all rounder, so that would work for you too.




They look quite chunky at that size, almost Radial Full proportions?


Radials in 53mm are 33.5mm wide, so are about the same width as Conical Full in the 53mm and almost the same width as Classic Full wheels, but the fact that they are very square looking makes them look a lot more solid.

I had a set of Radials in 52mm once and they seemed like the most fun little wheel, but I like them a little more on the chunky side, so 54mm and even 56mm size were about right, of which I have had a few sets of each.




Damn, going to need to cop 2-3 sets...


You could get four sets and then match up four of each graphic.

Not that it would matter if the graphic comes off easily enough, but just a fun thought, as well as stocking up.




It is really quite smart marketing on the part of Spitfire and DLX, given lots of people want a white (natural) colour Radial in about 53mm and promoting someone like Leo Baker has never been as relevant as it is right now, so overall I am pretty stoked to see these wheels come out now.

Hopefully they have made a lot of them, because I can see a lot of people buying more than just one set too.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on August 16, 2022, 08:04:06 AM

It is really quite smart marketing on the part of Spitfire and DLX, given lots of people want a white (natural) colour Radial in about 53mm and promoting someone like Leo Baker has never been as relevant as it is right now, so overall I am pretty stoked to see these wheels come out now.

this popped in my head as well when reading this thread the other day and seeing how many people are gonna buy multiple sets - while it is annoying not to have the shape you want in regular rotation, it does benefit sponsored riders to have their wheel release be on a shape that's not dropped as often but loved.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 16, 2022, 08:07:31 AM
The Lacey wheels are apparently a very limited release and will just end up in a few shops.
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Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 16, 2022, 08:43:34 AM
The Lacey wheels are apparently a very limited release and will just end up in a few shops.

Yeah they mentioned that in the post. I didn’t see any shops I recognized but there has to be some LA shops getting these
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: caked on August 16, 2022, 09:09:26 AM
https://glueskateboards.com/products/baker-limited-edition-spitfire-f4-wheels-54mm

limited edition black and blue set available on the glue website. think I have to get a set!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on August 16, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
https://glueskateboards.com/products/baker-limited-edition-spitfire-f4-wheels-54mm

limited edition black and blue set available on the glue website. think I have to get a set!

whoa sick. there's also these blue classics that popped up
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-classics-leo-baker-skateboard-wheels-99a-54mm-1-7544613208320/
(https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1ikhi6x/image/upload/w_562,c_limit/q_auto:low,f_auto/products/MS03NTQ0NjEzMjA4MzIwOjEwMDEyMDM4ODU)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 16, 2022, 03:59:20 PM
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https://glueskateboards.com/products/baker-limited-edition-spitfire-f4-wheels-54mm

limited edition black and blue set available on the glue website. think I have to get a set!
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whoa sick. there's also these blue classics that popped up
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-classics-leo-baker-skateboard-wheels-99a-54mm-1-7544613208320/
(https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1ikhi6x/image/upload/w_562,c_limit/q_auto:low,f_auto/products/MS03NTQ0NjEzMjA4MzIwOjEwMDEyMDM4ODU)


Sorry if I sound like "Mr Know it all" but I remember seeing those blue ones a while back when it was a big thing from "Lacey" on the previous set with roses graphic, to just "L" or "Leo" on the new promo with those wheels when they came out, so I am thinking they are just old stock still floating around.


The other new special editions with two black, two aqua Conical Full 54mm wheels are damn nice though, even if I am not into coloured wheels, but again the size, shape and those colours...

DLX (and Leo Baker) doing excellent things with the rad product.


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Post by: iw0 on August 16, 2022, 04:02:43 PM
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https://glueskateboards.com/products/baker-limited-edition-spitfire-f4-wheels-54mm

limited edition black and blue set available on the glue website. think I have to get a set!
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whoa sick. there's also these blue classics that popped up
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-classics-leo-baker-skateboard-wheels-99a-54mm-1-7544613208320/
(https://res.cloudinary.com/dm1ikhi6x/image/upload/w_562,c_limit/q_auto:low,f_auto/products/MS03NTQ0NjEzMjA4MzIwOjEwMDEyMDM4ODU)
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Sorry if I sound like "Mr Know it all" but I remember seeing those blue ones a while back when it was a big thing from "Lacey" on the previous set with roses graphic, to just "L" or "Leo" on the new promo with those wheels when they came out, so I am thinking they are just old stock still floating around.


makes sense to me!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 16, 2022, 04:47:11 PM
Went by my local to check for the Leo wheels, no luck. They did have a ton of Lock-ins in stock though, so Deluxe must be sending some out again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 16, 2022, 05:02:36 PM
Went by my local to check for the Leo wheels, no luck. They did have a ton of Lock-ins in stock though, so Deluxe must be sending some out again.


I think production is finally coming back up to where they can make a lot more shapes and sizes, without everyone screaming for the basics - Classics and Conical Full - when they were in shorter supply.


I also wonder how many normal skate shops will have access, or will be getting in those new wheels, but I know that some shops order at different times, or things take a little longer to get to some places too.

This was the text from that instagram post so these places definitely had them in from the look of that:


spitfirewheels
leo_baker’s new Pro Edition Formula Four 99DU 53MM Radials with individual art for each wheel are landing in shops all week. Here are a few shops where you can grab a set….

303boards
slappysgarage
modernskate
infinityskateshop
theblockop
crossroads_skateshop
switchandsignalskatepark

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on August 16, 2022, 05:43:33 PM
Skateworks have the Leo radials online, anchor skate shop too.

I think these will trickle out in conjunction with their Netflix doco
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on August 16, 2022, 08:18:32 PM
Seeing the Classics Full measurements again makes me wonder how relevant the 52 mm ones really are. Same width as 53 mm Classics, which will have a similar contact patch once worn down to 52 mm. I liked my Classics Full (passed them on) but am wondering if I should just go with 53 mm Classics when I am buying my next set of smaller wheels as they are much more widely available.


If you can deal with the size and shape to start with, they will definitely be easier to find and last a little longer, being that 1 mm bigger overall.

I have been skating some slightly used Classic 54mm wheels just to see how they add up compared to the Classic Full and I must say that they don't disappoint, that is for sure.  The ride is so similar, as are the current dimensions.
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53mm is a great shape and you really can't tell the difference from a 52mm side by side. But skaters are anal retentive about these things, either 52 / 54mm, making 53mm the red headed step child. Works out great since you can regularly find 53mm wheels on clearance.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mvdbosch90 on August 16, 2022, 10:52:12 PM
Yesterday I switched from my 54mm Conical Fulls back to my worn Classics (originally 54mm to about 51-52mm now) and I really noticed how bulky the Conical Fulls felt. My pop and tricks felt better on the old Classics, but I definitely liked the wider contact patch of the Conical Fulls. I'm thinking about getting some Tablets in 52mm, since those have a bigger contact patch but are still quite light. I hear/read that they ride smooth without affecting tech/flip tricks much.
How are your experiences with those? And would you go for 99a or 101a?
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Post by: Slugboi22 on August 17, 2022, 01:08:42 AM
Yesterday I switched from my 54mm Conical Fulls back to my worn Classics (originally 54mm to about 51-52mm now) and I really noticed how bulky the Conical Fulls felt. My pop and tricks felt better on the old Classics, but I definitely liked the wider contact patch of the Conical Fulls. I'm thinking about getting some Tablets in 52mm, since those have a bigger contact patch but are still quite light. I hear/read that they ride smooth without affecting tech/flip tricks much.
How are your experiences with those? And would you go for 99a or 101a?
i had an overall pretty positive experience with tablets in 54mm 99a! liked em less than classic fulls and definitely less than radials but more than some other wheels i’ve had in the past. i’d say go for it, i
like the slide on em and the weight reduction is nice
edit: i’d also recommend radials to you if you can find em in a smaller size. i had the 53mm skate like a girl ones and those were my most favorite ones in recent memory
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Post by: mvdbosch90 on August 17, 2022, 02:13:34 AM
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Yesterday I switched from my 54mm Conical Fulls back to my worn Classics (originally 54mm to about 51-52mm now) and I really noticed how bulky the Conical Fulls felt. My pop and tricks felt better on the old Classics, but I definitely liked the wider contact patch of the Conical Fulls. I'm thinking about getting some Tablets in 52mm, since those have a bigger contact patch but are still quite light. I hear/read that they ride smooth without affecting tech/flip tricks much.
How are your experiences with those? And would you go for 99a or 101a?
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i had an overall pretty positive experience with tablets in 54mm 99a! liked em less than classic fulls and definitely less than radials but more than some other wheels i’ve had in the past. i’d say go for it, i
like the slide on em and the weight reduction is nice
edit: i’d also recommend radials to you if you can find em in a smaller size. i had the 53mm skate like a girl ones and those were my most favorite ones in recent memory

Yeah, those radials are hard to get unfortunately... And I'm also planning on get some wheels at my local shop :)
I'm also still considering the regular Conicals, if I get those in 52mm they're already a lot lighter than the 54mm conical fulls. I guess that rounded edge may help a bit with reverting and scooping as compared to the tablets?
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Post by: listentoaheartbeat on August 17, 2022, 03:52:24 AM
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Seeing the Classics Full measurements again makes me wonder how relevant the 52 mm ones really are. Same width as 53 mm Classics, which will have a similar contact patch once worn down to 52 mm. I liked my Classics Full (passed them on) but am wondering if I should just go with 53 mm Classics when I am buying my next set of smaller wheels as they are much more widely available.
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If you can deal with the size and shape to start with, they will definitely be easier to find and last a little longer, being that 1 mm bigger overall.

I have been skating some slightly used Classic 54mm wheels just to see how they add up compared to the Classic Full and I must say that they don't disappoint, that is for sure.  The ride is so similar, as are the current dimensions.
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53mm is a great shape and you really can't tell the difference from a 52mm side by side. But skaters are anal retentive about these things, either 52 / 54mm, making 53mm the red headed step child. Works out great since you can regularly find 53mm wheels on clearance.

Yeah, my thinking is, I love 52 mm wheels when they are fresh. So buying 53 mm wheels will give me a bit more time around that sweet spot. And since I liked 52 mm Classic Fulls, I feel I won't mind the added width. More like an added bonus, actually.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 17, 2022, 07:19:22 AM
Yesterday I switched from my 54mm Conical Fulls back to my worn Classics (originally 54mm to about 51-52mm now) and I really noticed how bulky the Conical Fulls felt. My pop and tricks felt better on the old Classics, but I definitely liked the wider contact patch of the Conical Fulls. I'm thinking about getting some Tablets in 52mm, since those have a bigger contact patch but are still quite light. I hear/read that they ride smooth without affecting tech/flip tricks much.
How are your experiences with those? And would you go for 99a or 101a?

The tablet shapes really freak me out and they look so weird on boards. Interested to hear some feedback on them. I imagine they’d be great for locking in on grinds, but maybe not as good for scooped flip tricks with such a hard edge
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on August 17, 2022, 08:23:47 AM
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Yesterday I switched from my 54mm Conical Fulls back to my worn Classics (originally 54mm to about 51-52mm now) and I really noticed how bulky the Conical Fulls felt. My pop and tricks felt better on the old Classics, but I definitely liked the wider contact patch of the Conical Fulls. I'm thinking about getting some Tablets in 52mm, since those have a bigger contact patch but are still quite light. I hear/read that they ride smooth without affecting tech/flip tricks much.
How are your experiences with those? And would you go for 99a or 101a?
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The tablet shapes really freak me out and they look so weird on boards. Interested to hear some feedback on them. I imagine they’d be great for locking in on grinds, but maybe not as good for scooped flip tricks with such a hard edge
that's the experience i had
you get used to it but crooked grinds lock differently than a rounder shape (because of the hard edge)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: brownjenkin on August 17, 2022, 08:45:02 AM
I hope this is the start of regular width radials becoming more readily available. I got some radial slims a couple years ago and thought they'd be the perfect wheel if only they were a little wider.

I hate loving a product then having a hard time finding it again.

Right now I'm on some 54 mm classics that will wear down to a nice radial shape after a few mm. Thanks to Ben D for that suggestion.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on August 17, 2022, 09:57:42 AM
Yesterday I switched from my 54mm Conical Fulls back to my worn Classics (originally 54mm to about 51-52mm now) and I really noticed how bulky the Conical Fulls felt. My pop and tricks felt better on the old Classics, but I definitely liked the wider contact patch of the Conical Fulls. I'm thinking about getting some Tablets in 52mm, since those have a bigger contact patch but are still quite light. I hear/read that they ride smooth without affecting tech/flip tricks much.
How are your experiences with those? And would you go for 99a or 101a?

Hardness: Depends on the surfaces you are riding. 99a is a great all-round, but they *are* a bit slower on smoother surfaces.

I have ridden every shape of Spitfire wheels. Absent crust, I am utterly bewildered at the connie full trend. Those things are clunky as fuck. Ben DeGros did a great video explaining the differences between rounded edge wheels and squared off ones. I would encourage you to watch that. Tablets are among my least favorite Spitfire shape. They feel super "boxy" to me, and weird on any flip tricks. They lock-in good...if you are grinding in a perfectly parallel manner to the edge of a ledge. If you're doing something like a feeble, smith, cross-lock 50/50, etc. I feel like squared-off wheels get wonky, and something like classic or radial actually "lock" better. In event, wheels don't cost all that much. Give them a shot and see what works for you. 53mm Classics are my jam.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: j....soy..... on August 17, 2022, 10:07:27 AM
IMO Tabs look dope… I’m on the bones program but same idea in shapes, on the lock edge, something like a smith grind, I can really lean on that back toe and it doesn’t slip out. 

That said the bevel edge gives me a fighting chance if I’m gonna primo, maybe it’s a bit of weight….in general is more forgiving on the in and out of grinds but don’t hold you there as well…

It’s all arguably marginal which leads me to my initial point….
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on August 17, 2022, 10:09:01 AM
I don’t get the conical full hype. But I did enjoy the time I had on conical regular. But classics slightly big then wear them down is the way for me.

Had some radials in the past but they was 101 didn’t mind them but 101 was too hard and 99a was hard to find til now. So I’m trying not to by the Leo baker  ones cause I don’t need them but damn I want them. Seem like a Goldilocks wheel size snd shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 17, 2022, 10:22:09 AM

But skaters are anal retentive about these things, either 52 / 54mm, making 53mm the red headed step child.



Red or orange haired??

Seeing as they are bright orange, I would say you are pretty much on the money there too!!!

:)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 17, 2022, 10:33:39 AM
I don’t get the conical full hype. But I did enjoy the time I had on conical regular. But classics slightly big then wear them down is the way for me.

Had some radials in the past but they was 101 didn’t mind them but 101 was too hard and 99a was hard to find til now. So I’m trying not to by the Leo baker  ones cause I don’t need them but damn I want them. Seem like a Goldilocks wheel size snd shape.

I'm exactly the same. I've had classic and conical set ups, and I like both but Radial is really the best of both imo. I've got the 55 oski radials but that's just too big ffor most of my set ups, so I'm trying to stock up on the Leo Radials
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 17, 2022, 10:38:14 AM
Conicals are coping/rail chompers imo.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mvdbosch90 on August 17, 2022, 12:12:40 PM
All right, I went to our local shop this afternoon and decided to go with the regular Conicals in 52mm and 99a. They seemed like a good balance between wide riding surface, fairly low weight, and still a rounded edge that can help make flip tricks, scooping and reverting a little easier. I kept some of your guys comment in mind about the sharp edge, and seeing both wheels in the shop  clearly showed the sharp edge of the tablets.

I haven’t really ridden them yet, apart from the few hundred yards to the skatepark that was still way to wet from the rain :P On that surface (mostly rough tiles and stones), they felt smoother than my old classics :) I’ll give my first impression after I skated them a bit :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 17, 2022, 12:30:48 PM
All right, I went to our local shop this afternoon and decided to go with the regular Conicals in 52mm and 99a. They seemed like a good balance between wide riding surface, fairly low weight, and still a rounded edge that can help make flip tricks, scooping and reverting a little easier. I kept some of your guys comment in mind about the sharp edge, and seeing both wheels in the shop  clearly showed the sharp edge of the tablets.

I haven’t really ridden them yet, apart from the few hundred yards to the skatepark that was still way to wet from the rain :P On that surface (mostly rough tiles and stones), they felt smoother than my old classics :) I’ll give my first impression after I skated them a bit :)

Great wheels. I've been riding mine for a while.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on August 20, 2022, 10:23:43 PM
Has anyone here tried the glow in the dark conical fulls? My shop only has the 56s in those and I’m considering them unless they’re notable worse and I should just wait for the next drop
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: versacekid420 on August 20, 2022, 11:09:36 PM
Has anyone here tried the glow in the dark conical fulls? My shop only has the 56s in those and I’m considering them unless they’re notable worse and I should just wait for the next drop
my friend that I work with at the shop has them and he loves them and says they don't feel any different at all and that he'll probably get another set when the time comes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 23, 2022, 04:02:57 AM
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The new catalog is out.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2022/


Some good ones in there people might be keen on.  You can check for yourself though.


Anyone want some Conical Full 99 duro 60 mm wheels?  I know some people who have been wanting these for a while now.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall22/sf-fl-22-d1-kanfoush-03.jpg)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Joe Davola on August 23, 2022, 05:45:19 AM
Oh my god they finally fucking made some colored classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 23, 2022, 07:08:05 AM
Oh my god they finally fucking made some colored classics.

They did 2 drops ago, Chorma series.

I'm surprised they still do black wheels. I guess they sell? I own some black conicals only due to availability. Like with this drop, if you want a 101 radial, black is the only option. Plus BONES just did a black drop...

Interesting to see Radial slims hit the shops yet not in the drops.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on August 23, 2022, 07:10:36 AM
the ave's are pretty classy and those blackout radials too, not a big black wheel fan but damn. good looking drop overall
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 23, 2022, 07:27:30 AM
Glad to see the Leo radials in the drop. Also, love the AVE conicals, wish they did a 52 but I’ll still pick up the 54s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on August 23, 2022, 01:41:28 PM
60 MM CONICAL FULL!!!

Spitfire is just gonna start selling a solid brick of urethane with a hole for bearings and im ready for it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 23, 2022, 02:08:25 PM
60 MM CONICAL FULL!!!

Spitfire is just gonna start selling a solid brick of urethane with a hole for bearings and im ready for it.

Lol for real. The 56mm Radial Full was huge enough. I like bigger wheels and it was too much for me to handle. I can't even imagine olling up a small ledge with some wide 60mm behemoths like that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 23, 2022, 04:28:30 PM
60 MM CONICAL FULL!!!

Spitfire is just gonna start selling a solid brick of urethane with a hole for bearings and im ready for it.

Where/what does one skate with 60mm conical fulls?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Cowboy on August 23, 2022, 05:03:36 PM
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60 MM CONICAL FULL!!!

Spitfire is just gonna start selling a solid brick of urethane with a hole for bearings and im ready for it.
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Lol for real. The 56mm Radial Full was huge enough. I like bigger wheels and it was too much for me to handle. I can't even imagine olling up a small ledge with some wide 60mm behemoths like that.

60mm conical fulls would add 4 pounds to the setup, probably a good calf workout to get the whole setup off the ground
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on August 23, 2022, 05:14:01 PM
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Oh my god they finally fucking made some colored classics.
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They did 2 drops ago, Chorma series.

I'm surprised they still do black wheels. I guess they sell? I own some black conicals only due to availability. Like with this drop, if you want a 101 radial, black is the only option. Plus BONES just did a black drop...

Interesting to see Radial slims hit the shops yet not in the drops.
It seems to me that black wheels are kind of on trend for younger folks. I don't get it and also dunno why they gotta pick on poor old radials but I think this is why.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 23, 2022, 05:22:35 PM
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60 MM CONICAL FULL!!!

Spitfire is just gonna start selling a solid brick of urethane with a hole for bearings and im ready for it.
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Lol for real. The 56mm Radial Full was huge enough. I like bigger wheels and it was too much for me to handle. I can't even imagine olling up a small ledge with some wide 60mm behemoths like that.
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60mm conical fulls would add 4 pounds to the setup, probably a good calf workout to get the whole setup off the ground

I think 56mm CFs weigh almost 300 grams as a set, the 60mm might legitimately be close to a full pound of urethane with how much wider the CFs get at the bigger diameters.

The bigger issue is its just weird to pop with a 58+mm wheels. Feels so strange. Especially with how wide they will be, probably very strange locking into 50-50s even.

Just by riding a 8.5 with Ace/Indys and 56mm V6 people are shocked by how much heavier my board is than theirs when they try to skate it. Feels like you're kickflipping a canoe after skating other boards.

Shout outs to Jeff Carlyle for doing all that crazy shit on apparently 58-60mm wheels. I think T Funk rides 58-60mm OG Classics. Must be how all those guys go so fucking fast.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 23, 2022, 06:56:07 PM
If I had to guess, maybe in T-funks case, and possibly others...when you're filming, getting clips, etc., you might need something different for that 'one spot' or to flesh out your part. Tech here, gnarhesh there.

No one is doing that China Banks ollie on 51mm wheels, that's for damn sure...knowwhati'msaying?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on August 23, 2022, 10:07:24 PM
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Oh my god they finally fucking made some colored classics.
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They did 2 drops ago, Chorma series.

I'm surprised they still do black wheels. I guess they sell? I own some black conicals only due to availability. Like with this drop, if you want a 101 radial, black is the only option. Plus BONES just did a black drop...

Interesting to see Radial slims hit the shops yet not in the drops.
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It seems to me that black wheels are kind of on trend for younger folks. I don't get it and also dunno why they gotta pick on poor old radials but I think this is why.

I can't do black wheels, but I guess if you weren't raised on "no black wheels ever", then it makes a lot of sense. White/off white and light coloured wheels get dirty pretty quick, especially if you skate dirty/crusty spots. Thats never an issue with black wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on August 23, 2022, 11:36:49 PM
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Oh my god they finally fucking made some colored classics.
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They did 2 drops ago, Chorma series.

I'm surprised they still do black wheels. I guess they sell? I own some black conicals only due to availability. Like with this drop, if you want a 101 radial, black is the only option. Plus BONES just did a black drop...

Interesting to see Radial slims hit the shops yet not in the drops.
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It seems to me that black wheels are kind of on trend for younger folks. I don't get it and also dunno why they gotta pick on poor old radials but I think this is why.
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I can't do black wheels, but I guess if you weren't raised on "no black wheels ever", then it makes a lot of sense. White/off white and light coloured wheels get dirty pretty quick, especially if you skate dirty/crusty spots. Thats never an issue with black wheels

It's 2022, you can't talk like that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 24, 2022, 07:40:31 AM
If I had to guess, maybe in T-funks case, and possibly others...when you're filming, getting clips, etc., you might need something different for that 'one spot' or to flesh out your part. Tech here, gnarhesh there.

No one is doing that China Banks ollie on 51mm wheels, that's for damn sure...knowwhati'msaying?

I will say, having just recently skates at China banks, my 50mm-ish conicals handles the brick fairly well. I was definitely concerned I was going to have a much harder time skating but it’s actually decently smooth and the 99 F4 still grips pretty well.

Now T-Funk is an insane person and I still think it’s impossible he Ollied a long bench, that’s Hollywood magic. If he wants to ride 56-60mm wheels that’s because he’s super strong, super gnarly, and did I mention insane
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TurboVirgin on August 24, 2022, 08:05:04 AM
Are these bubbles anything to worry about?  I sent an email and they haven't been able to get back to me yet.

https://i.imgur.com/hcOf9AK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eWAShL6.jpg
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on August 24, 2022, 08:19:13 AM
They're not, just set 'em up!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DRUNK_ASS_WIZARD on August 24, 2022, 08:21:04 AM
Are these bubbles anything to worry about?  I sent an email and they haven't been able to get back to me yet.

https://i.imgur.com/hcOf9AK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eWAShL6.jpg

Nothing to worry about.  The singular bubble is there to release air from the molds when they're making the wheels. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on August 24, 2022, 08:21:27 AM
Are these bubbles anything to worry about?  I sent an email and they haven't been able to get back to me yet.

https://i.imgur.com/hcOf9AK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eWAShL6.jpg

Nope, a lot of them have this bubble. It won't affect performance.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TurboVirgin on August 24, 2022, 08:44:47 AM
That's good news because I already put them on my shit.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on August 24, 2022, 07:29:08 PM
spanky had an orange conical in 99a f4 54mm not long ago.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on August 25, 2022, 05:41:57 AM
Old 60mm classics were essentially a coniful. Still smaller than a 60mm radial full and almost any 80’s 60mm wheel. Still a full sized piece of equipment.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Boog on August 25, 2022, 05:56:52 AM
spanky had an orange conical in 99a f4 54mm not long ago.
I'm skating a pair of them right now. I really like the way they look and they feel no different than regular off white f4. I also have a pair of the blue skate like a girl radials.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 25, 2022, 06:40:58 PM
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If I had to guess, maybe in T-funks case, and possibly others...when you're filming, getting clips, etc., you might need something different for that 'one spot' or to flesh out your part. Tech here, gnarhesh there.

No one is doing that China Banks ollie on 51mm wheels, that's for damn sure...knowwhati'msaying?
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I will say, having just recently skates at China banks, my 50mm-ish conicals handles the brick fairly well. I was definitely concerned I was going to have a much harder time skating but it’s actually decently smooth and the 99 F4 still grips pretty well.

Now T-Funk is an insane person and I still think it’s impossible he Ollied a long bench, that’s Hollywood magic. If he wants to ride 56-60mm wheels that’s because he’s super strong, super gnarly, and did I mention insane

I was thinking wheelsize for speed to make that bench ollie, not brick handling tbh.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Radim on August 26, 2022, 04:11:35 AM
I really like the feel and slide of 99a. However,  I flatspotted 54classics quite easily, same as bones ogs. With stf i do not have this problem, but they not slide as good. Talking About 99s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: downtodevin on August 28, 2022, 08:31:31 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mH3ZsoZ.jpg)

Is a gash like this normal on F4s? They are OG Classics and only about a few months old. Riding on pretty crappy asphalt and smooth skateparks. I have some F4 Classics that are more worn but don't have any gashes like this. Thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sn00p on August 28, 2022, 09:24:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mH3ZsoZ.jpg)

Is a gash like this normal on F4s? They are OG Classics and only about a few months old. Riding on pretty crappy asphalt and smooth skateparks. I have some F4 Classics that are more worn but don't have any gashes like this. Thanks!

I got a nice chunk like that on some 2 day old tablets recently. Don’t know if it was a production issue or me being a dumbass but I just switched em out for some classics and haven’t had any problems since.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on August 28, 2022, 09:32:59 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mH3ZsoZ.jpg)

Is a gash like this normal on F4s? They are OG Classics and only about a few months old. Riding on pretty crappy asphalt and smooth skateparks. I have some F4 Classics that are more worn but don't have any gashes like this. Thanks!

Probably just unlucky and caught a rock or something that took a chunk. Shouldn’t affect anything too much, I’d say just keep running em
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 28, 2022, 09:44:24 AM
Square shape wheels are more vulnerable to chips like that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: downtodevin on August 28, 2022, 09:51:02 AM
I’ll probably just keep rocking them. I can’t feel anything different when I skate them. I wanted to try a wider wheel which why I got them. I still have my classics if I need to switch back. Thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 28, 2022, 10:19:20 AM
Yeah, if you can't feel it just ride it out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on August 28, 2022, 10:46:27 AM
I've got some conical fulls which have multiple cuts and gashes in them. They still work fine and I don't even think about I'm not actively looking at the wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on August 28, 2022, 01:16:27 PM
wheel gashes make a set up look cooler. consider yourself blessed.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on August 28, 2022, 01:20:51 PM
anyone got a lead on where i can buy those 48mm F4s that Chico is selling with his newest deck? Spitfire also posted an ig story a couple weeks ago about how they messed up sending a box of those to one of their riders who actually wanted 58s. So it seems they exist in decent quantities but they're not popping up in any shops and they're not in the newest catalog...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: left knee cap on August 28, 2022, 04:21:49 PM
anyone got a lead on where i can buy those 48mm F4s that Chico is selling with his newest deck? Spitfire also posted an ig story a couple weeks ago about how they messed up sending a box of those to one of their riders who actually wanted 58s. So it seems they exist in decent quantities but they're not popping up in any shops and they're not in the newest catalog...

a quick google search can bring you to here

https://www.toplesspizza.ca/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-lil-smokies-48mm

probably will be coming out in bigger quantities in the next few months though if you wait it out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on August 29, 2022, 12:30:35 PM
Too early to say for sure, but I’m mildly disappointed in 97a F4s. I’m a regular soft wheel(95-97a) user and I’m not feeling it. Speed and grip are ok, but they feel dead. Is the lack of bounce a feature for folks that like hard wheels? They’re classics, which I haven’t ridden in years, and one of the few sessions I had was on super smooth, clean concrete so they may grow on me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on August 29, 2022, 02:19:07 PM
Too early to say for sure, but I’m mildly disappointed in 97a F4s. I’m a regular soft wheel(95-97a) user and I’m not feeling it. Speed and grip are ok, but they feel dead. Is the lack of bounce a feature for folks that like hard wheels? They’re classics, which I haven’t ridden in years, and one of the few sessions I had was on super smooth, clean concrete so they may grow on me.

They are really solid on shitty terrain, but everything you described was my experience. "Dead", underwhelming speed, and despite not sliding well, they would still slip out on occasion.

They definitely feel better (relative to normal wheels) on shitty ground... But they don't feel amazing on it either due to lack of slide. They definitely serve their purpose on rough ground, but aren't very "fun". And are way slower than they should be at 97a.

I would almost treat them like a cruiser wheel personally... Even though your experience sounds much like mine, there are people on here that swear by them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on August 29, 2022, 04:18:08 PM
anyone got a lead on where i can buy those 48mm F4s that Chico is selling with his newest deck? Spitfire also posted an ig story a couple weeks ago about how they messed up sending a box of those to one of their riders who actually wanted 58s. So it seems they exist in decent quantities but they're not popping up in any shops and they're not in the newest catalog...

They're on his website for $25 a set

https://www.chicostix.com/products/48mm-spitfire-classic-shape

https://www.chicostix.com/products/50mm-spitfire-tablet-shape
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on August 29, 2022, 04:20:57 PM
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anyone got a lead on where i can buy those 48mm F4s that Chico is selling with his newest deck? Spitfire also posted an ig story a couple weeks ago about how they messed up sending a box of those to one of their riders who actually wanted 58s. So it seems they exist in decent quantities but they're not popping up in any shops and they're not in the newest catalog...
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They're on his website for $25 a set

https://www.chicostix.com/products/48mm-spitfire-classic-shape

https://www.chicostix.com/products/50mm-spitfire-tablet-shape
Oh damn, I checked for that before posting here, wonder if he just put those up. Sold! Thank you!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 30, 2022, 05:33:19 PM
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Just doing a bit of looking around for something else and came across this, for those of you who would want a thinner classic wheel again.


Spitfire catalog from Spring 2016

https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/sf.html


Open the image for a clear view of all the dimensions

https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/img/spring16/sf/02-spitfire-sp16-dr2-desktop.jpg


(https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/img/spring16/sf/02-spitfire-sp16-dr2-desktop.jpg)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on August 30, 2022, 05:38:31 PM
Ooh I remember those. Super nice and nimble on perfect ground. Basically useless on anything rough
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 30, 2022, 05:54:29 PM
Ooh I remember those. Super nice and nimble on perfect ground. Basically useless on anything rough


Ha yeah, maybe why they were discontinued.

Funny seeing some things like that though, espcially seeing as I had a lot of stuff from those Spring and Summer 16 catalogs.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on August 30, 2022, 07:10:10 PM
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Just doing a bit of looking around for something else and came across this, for those of you who would want a thinner classic wheel again.


Spitfire catalog from Spring 2016

https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/sf.html


Open the image for a clear view of all the dimensions

https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/img/spring16/sf/02-spitfire-sp16-dr2-desktop.jpg


(https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/img/spring16/sf/02-spitfire-sp16-dr2-desktop.jpg)

I love the corny graphics:
(https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/img/spring16/sf/03-spitfire-sp16-dr2-desktop.jpg)

The SFW range was always an anomaly, conical shaped but named SFW. And why did Manderson get a signature shape?
(https://www.dlxsf.com/spring16/img/spring16/sf/26_MANDERSON_DT-1200.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 31, 2022, 09:07:55 AM
Manderson was super into wide wheels at the time and there were very few offerings. This was way before Concial fulls, Radials, etc.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mean salto on August 31, 2022, 09:19:13 AM
I think navarrette would have the same shape as the mandersons but in 58-60s. (Altho way before 2016) was that the longest running pro wheel? Feel like I had the mandersons in 2011 or something
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DillsDarts on August 31, 2022, 06:12:24 PM
Does anyone know if the radial fills were only a one time release?? Fallen in love with em & couldn't stock up at any of the locals when they were in
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 01, 2022, 03:40:11 AM
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Classic shapes or more commonly the Bighead shape which was a Classic Full before there was such a thing was the main wheel back then, so when new they were big and round, but when worn down they were very wide and squared off, and to me, they were great for everything, which is what I liked and I think what some of those guys wanted from new, hence the wider profile wheel came out again but in way more modern sizes - 51, 52, etc as opposed to 60mm.

I say again, cause back in the 80s forward, they had super big fat wide wheels in all shapes, sizes, etc.

SFW - super fucking wide - was also an Indy thing back when trucks were on narrow planks and then boards started to get wider and wider, so it made sense to also have those initials for those wheels too.




I think navarrette would have the same shape as the mandersons but in 58-60s. (Altho way before 2016) was that the longest running pro wheel? Feel like I had the mandersons in 2011 or something


Re the Manderson wheel, I can't remember when but they definitely had been out for a while, maybe first saw them about then but I would have to check.

Re Navarrette. He was always more into the Bighead 59mm wheel, which is pretty damn wide in itself 40mm or so.  So big but so good for what it was and those things lasted forever when I had them on boards.



Does anyone know if the radial fulls were only a one time release?? Fallen in love with em & couldn't stock up at any of the locals when they were in


I would say they are pretty popular so should be around for a while, but who knows these days.  There were 56mm through 57, 58 and 60mm sizes between a few different drops and graphics so far.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 01, 2022, 03:43:31 AM
I often wondered why they never made f4
Big heads, that seemed a logical step. Classic full is a better name
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 01, 2022, 03:48:41 AM
I think navarrette would have the same shape as the mandersons but in 58-60s. (Altho way before 2016) was that the longest running pro wheel? Feel like I had the mandersons in 2011 or something


Found them!


The link is long dead, but this is what they were from:


http://www.dlxsf.com/summer11/sf/


Spitfire Catalog Drop #2
7/25/2011

Check out Mike Anderson's newest Spitfire ad featuring his new custom designed SFW Pro Edition wheel


(https://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Junk_Drawer/2011/07/sf-Manderson-releaseNO.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on September 01, 2022, 01:48:46 PM
Does anyone know if the radial fills were only a one time release?? Fallen in love with em & couldn't stock up at any of the locals when they were in
they were in prebooks for winter or spring i don’t remember.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skatebeard on September 02, 2022, 12:39:30 AM
Back on F4 classics again after skating a set of Bones STF v3s for a few months... boy it's good to be home.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on September 02, 2022, 02:46:23 AM
Back on F4 classics again after skating a set of Bones STF v3s for a few months... boy it's good to be home.
How do they compare? 99 or 103 stf? Never had f4 classics before because they get so stupid wide above 52 or so, but I'm curious.
My dream would probably be an f4 99a in the v3 shape. Classic slim?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skatebeard on September 05, 2022, 05:41:35 AM
99a STF vs 99a F4 Classic

The F4s slide a bit easier and have much less of a bark to them on concrete, in terms of hardness I'd say they are about comparable.

I didn't mind the STF at all and got pretty used to them, the slim profile works great for flatground... but I do welcome the extra slide on the F4s, nice to have it there when you need it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on September 08, 2022, 10:56:07 AM
Any Radial first-timers pick up the 53mm's and have first impressions? 
Had some 52s and 55s in the past but 53s seem perfect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 08, 2022, 10:59:31 AM
Any Radial first-timers pick up the 53mm's and have first impressions? 
Had some 52s and 55s in the past but 53s seem perfect.

Mine are in the mail. Can't wait. Not a first timer, just love radials.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swongolianbbq on September 08, 2022, 12:28:01 PM
Just realized tablets, og classics, and conical fulls are all like, the same wheel in different widths, stepped up equally but with the same riding surface

Crazy they never seem to be putting out plain ol radial slims, that's probably their lightest weight wheel. The old Reynolds classic slims would prolly be lighter

And I'd think the 49ers and lil smokies would be more popular for the venture low and thunder people

Anyways I got some of the OG Classic in 54mm, seems like a really good all rounder if you like square wheels

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 08, 2022, 01:38:38 PM
Recent drop saw Radial slims for a change, but yeah, the OG Classic/Tablet/Conical are damn similar (especially once you wear them down past the lip...when it's probably time to swap them out anyway); that's what tablets are really, worn down og classics/conical for those that don't want to wait :P
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swongolianbbq on September 08, 2022, 04:08:37 PM
I wonder if tablets would be more hooky/catchy than wheels with a rounder edge. Curious about them but idk about having that much grip for such a skinny wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 08, 2022, 04:23:24 PM
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Any Radial first-timers pick up the 53mm's and have first impressions? 
Had some 52s and 55s in the past but 53s seem perfect.
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Not a first timer, just love radials.

53mm is the perfect size for a radial, can’t go wrong
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on September 08, 2022, 05:12:56 PM
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Any Radial first-timers pick up the 53mm's and have first impressions? 
Had some 52s and 55s in the past but 53s seem perfect.
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Not a first timer, just love radials.
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53mm is the perfect
size for a radial, can’t go wrong
Amen
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skatebeard on September 09, 2022, 02:13:43 AM
I've been mostly on 50-52mm 99a F4 classics for a few years...are there any other Spitfire F4 shapes worth considering for pure flatground skating on tarmac/asphalt and occasionally park concrete?

99a works perfectly, just wondering if I'm missing out on anything not trying out the other shapes. the Bones STF v3s I had recently worked pretty well and are a slimmer wheel than the classics for sure.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FUBAR on September 09, 2022, 02:56:29 AM
I sure hope they bring back 50 and 51mm in future drops. I could run out now and stock up in 51mm Classics but I really don’t need to spend that money.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 09, 2022, 05:48:56 AM

They might not be in the catalogs but there are still a lot of wheels coming out, or making it to some skate shops that people are asking for, but I guess it is down to what you are looking for and checking with whatever shop you want to support, ordering or asking them to get them in for you.

If you are more just a find them online and or buy them when on sale, no worries, but I think most wheel options are around, but a lot sell out quickly or are harder to find if you don't search high and low or go to each specific shop site, which all up can be a pain to do and takes a lot longer than most people would want to spend on the whole process.


As far as smaller sizes, try the "Lil Smokies" which are the 49, 50, 51 mm versions of all the usual shapes in F4 wheels in both 99 and 101 and have a single black graphic, usually at a discounted price too, but some shops have them at the same price as all the other Spitfire F4 wheels.

I saw some shops in AU just got a whole lot more of them, so they are out there - just not in any listings, catalogs or official releases it seems.


Just looking through some shop accounts and there are more of the Radial Slim wheels out, as had been said by XEN and others recently.

They might be a good alternative if anyone wants a small slim wheel.


https://www.instagram.com/p/Chc6AsjO6yC/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Radim on September 09, 2022, 06:12:03 AM
99a STF vs 99a F4 Classic

The F4s slide a bit easier and have much less of a bark to them on concrete, in terms of hardness I'd say they are about comparable.

I didn't mind the STF at all and got pretty used to them, the slim profile works great for flatground... but I do welcome the extra slide on the F4s, nice to have it there when you need it.
I agree with everything being written.
Unfortunately for some reason, i flatspotted F4s quite easy with underrotated 180s from the kicker ramp. But not the tablets, just classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MysticalTypeExperience on September 09, 2022, 06:28:10 AM
Can someone impart some sage SLAP wisdom on a young padiwan real quick? Just looking for an overview on what each shape is best suited for.

Currently running 99a 52mm classics on my main board. I pretty much only skate park right now. Wondering if I should go up to 101 duro, or if a larger wheel or different shape would help me lock into smiths better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 09, 2022, 07:50:28 AM
Can someone impart some sage SLAP wisdom on a young padiwan real quick? Just looking for an overview on what each shape is best suited for.

Currently running 99a 52mm classics on my main board. I pretty much only skate park right now. Wondering if I should go up to 101 duro, or if a larger wheel or different shape would help me lock into smiths better.

Conicals, radials, or lock ins could help you lock in better on your smiths. Classics have the roundest edge so they’re going to lock in the least. Harder wheel will help with slides, bigger wheel for speed.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on September 09, 2022, 08:07:15 AM
I sure hope they bring back 50 and 51mm in future drops. I could run out now and stock up in 51mm Classics but I really don’t need to spend that money.
I'm in this boat as well
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on September 09, 2022, 10:21:42 AM
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Can someone impart some sage SLAP wisdom on a young padiwan real quick? Just looking for an overview on what each shape is best suited for.

Currently running 99a 52mm classics on my main board. I pretty much only skate park right now. Wondering if I should go up to 101 duro, or if a larger wheel or different shape would help me lock into smiths better.
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Conicals, radials, or lock ins could help you lock in better on your smiths. Classics have the roundest edge so they’re going to lock in the least. Harder wheel will help with slides, bigger wheel for speed.

Classics will aid some people in flip tricks by allowing the board to turn over easier. I’ve never had a problem with kickflipping a conical wheel, but the physics of a flip trick certainly made more sense without overcoming the sharp lip of the wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on September 09, 2022, 12:43:48 PM
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Can someone impart some sage SLAP wisdom on a young padiwan real quick? Just looking for an overview on what each shape is best suited for.

Currently running 99a 52mm classics on my main board. I pretty much only skate park right now. Wondering if I should go up to 101 duro, or if a larger wheel or different shape would help me lock into smiths better.
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Conicals, radials, or lock ins could help you lock in better on your smiths. Classics have the roundest edge so they’re going to lock in the least. Harder wheel will help with slides, bigger wheel for speed.

I find more square edge wheels (lock-ins, conicals, etc.) to make smiths, hurricanes, feebles much more twitchy; their sharp "corner" catches, and causes the wheel to pop out. Whereas something like a classic does a better job at hugging the slanted angle of the wheel against the edge on those type of grinds.

Ben DeGros did a great a video on the differences between rounded and squared wheels. It's worth a watch.

https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY (https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on September 12, 2022, 01:00:24 PM
Gotta admit, no regular packaging with the label card kinda bummed me out, but nevertheless happy to have these. 53mm Radials seem like the perfect combo
(https://i.imgur.com/4OuFQF9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tNJUci9.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 12, 2022, 03:07:24 PM
Gotta admit, no regular packaging with the label card kinda bummed me out, but nevertheless happy to have these. 53mm Radials seem like the perfect combo
(https://i.imgur.com/4OuFQF9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tNJUci9.jpg?1)

I bought the two tone blue/black conical fulls and those were supposed to be "limited" so I understood not having packaging, but I was definitely surprised the radials also had no packaging. I wonder if they were rushed because they didn't know when the movie would be released and they wanted to capitalize on that?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: notinternetfamous on September 12, 2022, 03:34:05 PM
Gotta admit, no regular packaging with the label card kinda bummed me out, but nevertheless happy to have these. 53mm Radials seem like the perfect combo
(https://i.imgur.com/4OuFQF9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tNJUci9.jpg?1)
53 radials are great! these look surprisingly white for F4s lol
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 12, 2022, 04:16:22 PM
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Gotta admit, no regular packaging with the label card kinda bummed me out, but nevertheless happy to have these. 53mm Radials seem like the perfect combo
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53 radials are great! these look surprisingly white for F4s lol


I was surprised how pale some other new F4 wheels have been lately too.

Guessing when they say "Natural" colour, that could be anything from this brand new pale through to a more murky (almost going yellow) urethane and everything in between.


Also wonder if it is a cost saving thing too, given people know exactly what the wheels are and want them regardless of how they are packaged.

Timeframe and getting them out ASAP definitely seems like a consideration though, as Bart said.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 12, 2022, 06:11:01 PM
Yeah those Baker f4s are much more chalk white than some of the previous iterations

Edit: I just noticed some of the new AVE wheels are coming out in that shrink wrap shitty packaging too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backside_frontside on September 12, 2022, 06:41:28 PM
First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paperclip20 on September 13, 2022, 12:33:45 PM
First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.

We live in a society
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on September 13, 2022, 12:55:45 PM
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First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.
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We live in a society
the sticker is back in now!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 13, 2022, 12:56:15 PM
First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.

Both of mine came with stickers, for the record
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on September 13, 2022, 07:38:18 PM
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First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.
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We live in a society
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the sticker is back in now!
Is it the big head sticker or the black strip that just says spitfire? Cause the latter is trash haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on September 13, 2022, 07:56:14 PM
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First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.
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We live in a society
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the sticker is back in now!
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Is it the big head sticker or the black strip that just says spitfire? Cause the latter is trash haha

I got two big head stickers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on September 14, 2022, 01:27:02 AM
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First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.
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We live in a society
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the sticker is back in now!
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Is it the big head sticker or the black strip that just says spitfire? Cause the latter is trash haha

i don't know about the new square package but the standard F4 one comes with a sticker, depending on the shape, you get a trash one or a great one (wings on wheel for OG classic)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on September 14, 2022, 09:10:28 AM
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First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.
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We live in a society
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the sticker is back in now!
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Is it the big head sticker or the black strip that just says spitfire? Cause the latter is trash haha

I got a bighead sticker with my glow in the dark conical fulls this summer
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on September 14, 2022, 09:29:17 AM
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First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.
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We live in a society
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the sticker is back in now!
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Is it the big head sticker or the black strip that just says spitfire? Cause the latter is trash haha
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I got a bighead sticker with my glow in the dark conical fulls this summer

usually the conical fulls come with that black sticker, classics have the big head sticker and og classics have the wheel with wings sticker
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on September 14, 2022, 09:35:32 AM
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First they took the sticker, now it’s the packaging and the wheels only get more expensive.
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We live in a society
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the sticker is back in now!
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Is it the big head sticker or the black strip that just says spitfire? Cause the latter is trash haha
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I got a bighead sticker with my glow in the dark conical fulls this summer
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usually the conical fulls come with that black sticker, classics have the big head sticker and og classics have the wheel with wings sticker

idk man, I got a bighead sticker with my glow in the dark conical fulls this summer.

It was a green glow in the dark lookin sticker
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Palle_h on September 14, 2022, 12:20:33 PM
Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.

How did I go with your wobbly wheels did you get new ones?I my self tried 2 set spitfire F4 for the first time in my life 99a and 101a an both wobble. I even found a wobbly wheel among a set spitfire Bigheaded,but when contacting spitfire they don't reply at all won't be any more spitfire for can I say.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Palle_h on September 14, 2022, 12:32:27 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit

Did you get yours replaced on warranty? I have 3 sets of spitfire that wobble,not cheap in Europe at all and spitfire doesn't reply at all. I can't understand how they can mess up like this s big wheel company. Luckily we have Bones Ricta and oj and many many more companies!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Creachteach on September 14, 2022, 12:47:15 PM
Hello, I’m new here. I’m a 35 year old big boi just getting back into skating again. Its been about 20 years and 100 pounds.
I got the F4 57mm Oski Radials as part of my bday gifts. I really wanted conical fulls but Titus only stocked these.
Look sick, if you’re into that kind of graphic.

(https://i.ibb.co/yNkgRnt/CD74-E53-C-371-A-438-D-AF1-A-F1-ED540-D2-F94.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yNkgRnt)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Palle_h on September 14, 2022, 12:53:05 PM
Hello, I’m new here. I’m a 35 year old big boi just getting back into skating again. Its been about 20 years and 100 pounds.
I got the F4 57mm Oski Radials as part of my bday gifts. I really wanted conical fulls but Titus only stocked these.
Look sick, if you’re into that kind of graphic.

(https://i.ibb.co/yNkgRnt/CD74-E53-C-371-A-438-D-AF1-A-F1-ED540-D2-F94.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yNkgRnt)

Shouldn't you but adverts somewhere else?!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on September 14, 2022, 01:59:07 PM
Hello, I’m new here. I’m a 35 year old big boi just getting back into skating again. Its been about 20 years and 100 pounds.
I got the F4 57mm Oski Radials as part of my bday gifts. I really wanted conical fulls but Titus only stocked these.
Look sick, if you’re into that kind of graphic.

(https://i.ibb.co/yNkgRnt/CD74-E53-C-371-A-438-D-AF1-A-F1-ED540-D2-F94.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yNkgRnt)

Tbh you got the best shape they make, much harder to find than CFs too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jrb32 on September 14, 2022, 03:12:53 PM
50/51 mm F4 classics seem to be non existent these days. Did they stop making these?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on September 14, 2022, 03:18:37 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit
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Did you get yours replaced on warranty? I have 3 sets of spitfire that wobble,not cheap in Europe at all and spitfire doesn't reply at all. I can't understand how they can mess up like this s big wheel company. Luckily we have Bones Ricta and oj and many many more companies!

Nope, they never responded. But I kind of fixed it. Here's how:
I just sanded the bearing seat a lot, took out some material with a knife too. Then put in some old bearings+spacers, screwed the nut on as tight as possible and rolled around to break in the new bearing seat. Bearings got destroyed very quickly by that but it somehow actually worked. I can ride them now, but it still keeps me from buying spitfire again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: patchouli on September 14, 2022, 04:04:44 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A1xftvJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PVSddXZ.jpg)
My latest setup felt nearly perfect but I thought 58mm classics were a bit small...
I checked out my local skate shop yesterday for the latest spitfire drop — I was interested in the Kanfoush Spitfire F4 Conical Fulls in 60 but that specific shop location didn't have them yet so I picked up 60mm F4 classics instead. Holy fuck these wheels are perfect! I recently learned frontside 5050's and I had one of my best sessions yet on these wheels last night, a clean grind while going fast is a brand new feeling and I'm so stoked to skate again tonight :-*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 14, 2022, 06:04:22 PM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit
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Did you get yours replaced on warranty? I have 3 sets of spitfire that wobble,not cheap in Europe at all and spitfire doesn't reply at all. I can't understand how they can mess up like this s big wheel company. Luckily we have Bones Ricta and oj and many many more companies!
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Nope, they never responded. But I kind of fixed it. Here's how:
I just sanded the bearing seat a lot, took out some material with a knife too. Then put in some old bearings+spacers, screwed the nut on as tight as possible and rolled around to break in the new bearing seat. Bearings got destroyed very quickly by that but it somehow actually worked. I can ride them now, but it still keeps me from buying spitfire again.



The shop where any of you bought Spitfire wheels from is where you should take them back to if you have any issues.

It is pretty simple really when you do that, they usually sort out new ones if the ones you have are faulty and are definitely covered under warranty for that sort of thing.

Just sending a message (that may never actually be seen) and then complaining about it on the internet really only leaves you short, but from being in a shop situation and knowing how distributors work, including those outside of the USA, it is definitely the best and fastest way to get a decent resolution for anything.

Not trying to be a dick, just trying to help explain how things work.


That said, yes there have definitely been more issues lately with Spitfire wheels, but the faulty set that came through my hands recently from a friend who didn't know what to do with them was replaced quickly and easily here in AU from the shop they were bought from.

There is no way whatsoever that this wobbly wheel would have taken a bearing and worked without a whole lot of effort, so as per anything that doesn't perform to expectations, warranty through the place of purchase is the correct course of action to take.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 14, 2022, 07:04:27 PM
50/51 mm F4 classics seem to be non existent these days. Did they stop making these?

51mm are still available, seen them available in a few online retailers.

50/51mm were available in Classics / Tablets under the Lil Smokies line, but that was 2-3 seasons ago, I'm sure they are still floating around.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sketch Hitchcock on September 14, 2022, 07:15:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/A1xftvJ.jpg)
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My latest setup felt nearly perfect but I thought 58mm classics were a bit small...
I checked out my local skate shop yesterday for the latest spitfire drop — I was interested in the Kanfoush Spitfire F4 Conical Fulls in 60 but that specific shop location didn't have them yet so I picked up 60mm F4 classics instead. Holy fuck these wheels are perfect! I recently learned frontside 5050's and I had one of my best sessions yet on these wheels last night, a clean grind while going fast is a brand new feeling and I'm so stoked to skate again tonight :-*

😍😍😍
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 14, 2022, 07:56:55 PM
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50/51 mm F4 classics seem to be non existent these days. Did they stop making these?
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51mm are still available, seen them available in a few online retailers.

50/51mm were available in Classics / Tablets under the Lil Smokies line, but that was 2-3 seasons ago, I'm sure they are still floating around.

I was looking last week, didn't have much luck other than 50mm classics.

Went with 51mm STF V1s (PJs wheel) instead.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FUBAR on September 15, 2022, 02:34:18 AM
Yeah I have been seeing the lack of 50 and 51 mm Spitfires too. No like. 51 mm tablets were my go to for a while, now its the classics. The 51s, when the grapic wears down, remind me of the Real Small Wheels from waaaay back in the day. You’d get six wheels for the price of four.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Creachteach on September 15, 2022, 05:54:35 AM
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Hello, I’m new here. I’m a 35 year old big boi just getting back into skating again. Its been about 20 years and 100 pounds.
I got the F4 57mm Oski Radials as part of my bday gifts. I really wanted conical fulls but Titus only stocked these.
Look sick, if you’re into that kind of graphic.

(https://i.ibb.co/yNkgRnt/CD74-E53-C-371-A-438-D-AF1-A-F1-ED540-D2-F94.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yNkgRnt)
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Shouldn't you but adverts somewhere else?!

Aah, you must be a skate shop owner, to have your feelings hurt by this. Consider it a public service announcement. Can you sell them at a similar price? Feel free to dm me in danish.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Palle_h on September 15, 2022, 06:45:59 AM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit
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Did you get yours replaced on warranty? I have 3 sets of spitfire that wobble,not cheap in Europe at all and spitfire doesn't reply at all. I can't understand how they can mess up like this s big wheel company. Luckily we have Bones Ricta and oj and many many more companies!
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Nope, they never responded. But I kind of fixed it. Here's how:
I just sanded the bearing seat a lot, took out some material with a knife too. Then put in some old bearings+spacers, screwed the nut on as tight as possible and rolled around to break in the new bearing seat. Bearings got destroyed very quickly by that but it somehow actually worked. I can ride them now, but it still keeps me from buying spitfire again.
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The shop where any of you bought Spitfire wheels from is where you should take them back to if you have any issues.

It is pretty simple really when you do that, they usually sort out new ones if the ones you have are faulty and are definitely covered under warranty for that sort of thing.

Just sending a message (that may never actually be seen) and then complaining about it on the internet really only leaves you short, but from being in a shop situation and knowing how distributors work, including those outside of the USA, it is definitely the best and fastest way to get a decent resolution for anything.

Not trying to be a dick, just trying to help explain how things work.


That said, yes there have definitely been more issues lately with Spitfire wheels, but the faulty set that came through my hands recently from a friend who didn't know what to do with them was replaced quickly and easily here in AU from the shop they were bought from.

There is no way whatsoever that this wobbly wheel would have taken a bearing and worked without a whole lot of effort, so as per anything that doesn't perform to expectations, warranty through the place of purchase is the correct course of action to take.

Okay may be so but it says on the package and on the home page if it's a manufacturer fault,that you should contact them on their mail.

But maybe it's a so big number of wheels that is faulty that they can't handle it,at least they could have replied to contact dealer instead then.

Thanks for your reply anyway 👍🙂
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Palle_h on September 15, 2022, 06:51:13 AM
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Got a set of OG Classics and all four wobble, one being really noticeable and is dragging the bearings. Is it worth waiting for a warranty? Just checked the 97a conicals I've had for a while and they wobble too but not as bad as the new OG's, guess I didn't notice or care when I set them up.
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I'm also having really bad wobble on a new set of radials, only a single wheel. Spitfire ignored my warranty claims (sent 2, a week apart) and instagram messages for 2 weeks so far. These things are stupid expensive in europe so I'm not gonna cut them any slack for this shit
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Did you get yours replaced on warranty? I have 3 sets of spitfire that wobble,not cheap in Europe at all and spitfire doesn't reply at all. I can't understand how they can mess up like this s big wheel company. Luckily we have Bones Ricta and oj and many many more companies!
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Nope, they never responded. But I kind of fixed it. Here's how:
I just sanded the bearing seat a lot, took out some material with a knife too. Then put in some old bearings+spacers, screwed the nut on as tight as possible and rolled around to break in the new bearing seat. Bearings got destroyed very quickly by that but it somehow actually worked. I can ride them now, but it still keeps me from buying spitfire again.

Nice👍 i may be try something like that sand it down in some way, if they don't get replaced. I bought them in 2020
then it maybe too late for warranty.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 15, 2022, 04:35:22 PM

Okay may be so but it says on the package and on the home page if it's a manufacturer fault,that you should contact them on their mail.

But maybe it's a so big number of wheels that is faulty that they can't handle it,at least they could have replied to contact dealer instead then.

Thanks for your reply anyway 👍🙂


All good.

I think the only people who have really had direct interaction with DLXSF and been provided new wheels have been in the USA, with all other distributors around the world having to deal with which ever country they distribute DLX products to.

That is the case here in Australia, as well as hearing from quite a few others on here in other parts of the world, UK, EU and so on.


It does make it difficult for a person though if they expect to have the direct approach (as per the information provided) only to be told to go a different route.

Every other brand and distributor I have dealt with seems to be operating in a similar way in that regard too - go through the local shop, to the local distro, with only the people directly affected in USA being able to get products from those USA based main brand and distribution companies.

Some need to have the actual product returned to them, while others are happy to see a picture of the product.  Some replace said product, while others issue a credit to the shop account.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 18, 2022, 04:27:03 PM
SW got dem blk radials

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_Four_Blackout_Radial_101a_Wheels/descpage-SF4BRWH.html
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on September 18, 2022, 07:24:28 PM
SW got dem blk radials

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_Four_Blackout_Radial_101a_Wheels/descpage-SF4BRWH.html
101a  :'(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on September 19, 2022, 12:38:34 AM
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Okay may be so but it says on the package and on the home page if it's a manufacturer fault,that you should contact them on their mail.

But maybe it's a so big number of wheels that is faulty that they can't handle it,at least they could have replied to contact dealer instead then.

Thanks for your reply anyway 👍🙂
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All good.

I think the only people who have really had direct interaction with DLXSF and been provided new wheels have been in the USA, with all other distributors around the world having to deal with which ever country they distribute DLX products to.

That is the case here in Australia, as well as hearing from quite a few others on here in other parts of the world, UK, EU and so on.


It does make it difficult for a person though if they expect to have the direct approach (as per the information provided) only to be told to go a different route.

Every other brand and distributor I have dealt with seems to be operating in a similar way in that regard too - go through the local shop, to the local distro, with only the people directly affected in USA being able to get products from those USA based main brand and distribution companies.

Some need to have the actual product returned to them, while others are happy to see a picture of the product.  Some replace said product, while others issue a credit to the shop account.

they replaced my set of wheels and i live in poland, but that was about 3-4 years ago
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Diamond_Dallas_Pudge on September 19, 2022, 04:19:42 AM
I'm pretty sure I'm set with my new 54 Conicals however I just had some 56 radial fulls and these wheels were so massive I kept getting hurt on them.

Doing some research I found the contact patch on the 56 Radial Fulls was something like 26 compared to my current 20-21 on the Conicals.

I don't see Radial Fulls in the lineup anymore and for good reason probably
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: alraunen on September 19, 2022, 06:12:55 AM
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Okay may be so but it says on the package and on the home page if it's a manufacturer fault,that you should contact them on their mail.

But maybe it's a so big number of wheels that is faulty that they can't handle it,at least they could have replied to contact dealer instead then.

Thanks for your reply anyway 👍🙂
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All good.

I think the only people who have really had direct interaction with DLXSF and been provided new wheels have been in the USA, with all other distributors around the world having to deal with which ever country they distribute DLX products to.

That is the case here in Australia, as well as hearing from quite a few others on here in other parts of the world, UK, EU and so on.


It does make it difficult for a person though if they expect to have the direct approach (as per the information provided) only to be told to go a different route.

Every other brand and distributor I have dealt with seems to be operating in a similar way in that regard too - go through the local shop, to the local distro, with only the people directly affected in USA being able to get products from those USA based main brand and distribution companies.

Some need to have the actual product returned to them, while others are happy to see a picture of the product.  Some replace said product, while others issue a credit to the shop account.
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they replaced my set of wheels and i live in poland, but that was about 3-4 years ago

Same is Spain, opened a thread and someone from DLX contact me. After sending an email to DLX someone from the distribution in Spain offered me a replacement set without problem or showing any receipt, just pictures.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on September 19, 2022, 07:00:45 AM
I'm pretty sure I'm set with my new 54 Conicals however I just had some 56 radial fulls and these wheels were so massive I kept getting hurt on them.

Doing some research I found the contact patch on the 56 Radial Fulls was something like 26 compared to my current 20-21 on the Conicals.

I don't see Radial Fulls in the lineup anymore and for good reason probably

Regular conicals are my shit. I tried go back to classics and although I love classics. Conical reg seem to be so great for all around stuff handles some slight crust good for tranny good for street and I feel more stable.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DillsDarts on September 19, 2022, 07:02:51 AM
I'm pretty sure I'm set with my new 54 Conicals however I just had some 56 radial fulls and these wheels were so massive I kept getting hurt on them.

Doing some research I found the contact patch on the 56 Radial Fulls was something like 26 compared to my current 20-21 on the Conicals.

I don't see Radial Fulls in the lineup anymore and for good reason probably

Radial fulls were and are the truth… Tre flips are damn near impossible with those wide bastards & ace 55’s (I just suck at that fucking trick) but damn, the Toronto crust felt like a joke for once with those… Honestly loved those wheels & going back to conical fulls / 58 & 60 OG classics they feel squirrelly compared to the radial fulls. Canadian roads are shit & we need those wide bastards, look how wide of wheels Nick bosiero skates
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on September 19, 2022, 12:41:11 PM
I sure hope the radial fulls don't go away, I'm still riding my 58mm that are probably 56-57mm by now and they're such a fucking bad ass wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 19, 2022, 04:30:14 PM
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they replaced my set of wheels and i live in poland, but that was about 3-4 years ago
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Same is Spain, opened a thread and someone from DLX contact me. After sending an email to DLX someone from the distribution in Spain offered me a replacement set without problem or showing any receipt, just pictures.



Glad things got sorted for most people.


I do wonder how much more they have had issues from the "wobbly wheel" mold as it seems like something went wrong in the last year or so and has caused a bit of a headache for them.



I sure hope the radial fulls don't go away, I'm still riding my 58mm that are probably 56-57mm by now and they're such a fucking bad ass wheel.


I have always lived by the theory that there are standard lines and then there is everything else, so given the Radial Full is not a standard line, buy any and all you can if you like them, cause just like Classic Full shapes I stocked up on, there doesn't seem to be any of those around and I am glad I got enough of them when I did.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on September 19, 2022, 04:48:00 PM
I hit up Spitfire customer service on the advice of @Mbrimson88 not too long ago. I had a set of horribly wobbly F4 OG Classics 55mm. They asked for a video, confirmed the gnarly wobbles, and then sent a replacement set.  Since then I’ve had 1 additional set of the Wobbly F4 OG Classics 52mm. This one was a gift so, not much I could do.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on September 19, 2022, 06:02:40 PM
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I'm pretty sure I'm set with my new 54 Conicals however I just had some 56 radial fulls and these wheels were so massive I kept getting hurt on them.

Doing some research I found the contact patch on the 56 Radial Fulls was something like 26 compared to my current 20-21 on the Conicals.

I don't see Radial Fulls in the lineup anymore and for good reason probably
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Radial fulls were and are the truth… Tre flips are damn near impossible with those wide bastards & ace 55’s (I just suck at that fucking trick) but damn, the Toronto crust felt like a joke for once with those… Honestly loved those wheels & going back to conical fulls / 58 & 60 OG classics they feel squirrelly compared to the radial fulls. Canadian roads are shit & we need those wide bastards, look how wide of wheels Nick bosiero skates

Yeah, they felt like riding monster truck wheels (in good and bad ways). Ended up being too wide for me. Check out 56mm Dragons. Handle crust way better than 56mm Radial Fulls, and without the extra weight.

Are people able to run 58mm OG classics without risers? Been wanting to check them out for a while now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on September 19, 2022, 06:16:03 PM
the radial fulls on af1s manage to feel clumsy yet stable. best wheel to me might be 60mm classics. especially once it reaches 57-58mms 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 21, 2022, 06:36:54 PM
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Compared to what is in the catalog and various new products, it still amazes me with all the other wheels Spitfire has out, be it just regular / older shapes, sizes, or other more unique versions of wheels I hadn't seen before, like these ones.

I know it was said by someone that the "Lil Smokies" are actually re cut wheels shaped down from other more normal options that for whatever reason just didn't work or were poured incorrectly, so it is understandable that they will not be in catalogs, but for anyone in Australia that wants some small and different wheels, these are new in stock, along with some normal Conical Full 58mm in 99 and 101 duro, the Carlyle 58 and 60mm 97 duro Conical Full, Classics in 50mm and lots of others that seem to be out of stock elsewhere, or that people have said they are trying to find.


https://www.kickpush.com.au/spitfire-lil-smokies-swirl-f4-99d-51mm-skateboard


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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on September 23, 2022, 05:16:48 PM
the moment spitfire ever drops either a 60mm classic full or radial in 99d, it’s over
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tom on October 02, 2022, 11:21:55 AM
I had to submit a warranty for a set of Radial Slims I bought. It’s the first time in almost 25 years of skating that I submitted a warranty claim. My bearings wouldn’t sit inside the hub on two wheels. The bearing separator was too wide. I contacted Cameron at DLX and he got back to me within a few hours. Within a few days the replacement wheels showed up. Unfortunately the same thing happened with the replacement wheels. I had a big brain moment though and kept the two good wheels from each set and sent back the two bad wheels from each set. Something tells me whatever mold they have for that wheel might be out of alignment or something. Anyways the quickness of the response and the customer service is exactly what I’d expect from DLX and further proves to me that they’re the best in skating
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 02, 2022, 11:50:42 AM
I found a stone embedded into the side of my current set, took a bit to wiggle it out but I got it free.

Weird thing to find mid session
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on October 02, 2022, 12:12:34 PM
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got a safety pin stuck in my wheel, pretty cool. was luckily able to pull it out without it breaking.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2022, 04:43:15 PM
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got a safety pin stuck in my wheel, pretty cool. was luckily able to pull it out without it breaking.

Spitfire Punk as @#$%!
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Post by: DERBY on October 02, 2022, 06:24:34 PM
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got a safety pin stuck in my wheel, pretty cool. was luckily able to pull it out without it breaking.
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Spitfire Punk as @#$%!

https://youtu.be/BqEjW3jFGFE

1:39
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 02, 2022, 07:13:48 PM
I had to submit a warranty for a set of Radial Slims I bought. It’s the first time in almost 25 years of skating that I submitted a warranty claim. My bearings wouldn’t sit inside the hub on two wheels. The bearing separator was too wide. I contacted Cameron at DLX and he got back to me within a few hours. Within a few days the replacement wheels showed up. Unfortunately the same thing happened with the replacement wheels. I had a big brain moment though and kept the two good wheels from each set and sent back the two bad wheels from each set. Something tells me whatever mold they have for that wheel might be out of alignment or something. Anyways the quickness of the response and the customer service is exactly what I’d expect from DLX and further proves to me that they’re the best in skating

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTNiVq_XEAIVRI2.jpg)

Ok y'all got me convinced to setup my last set of Radial Slims
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 02, 2022, 09:06:52 PM
97a that much smoother than 99 on Asphalt? Not flyover state crust asphalt, I'd say your normal parking lots at the slappy spot and the decent street in front of my house. Dragons gripping got pretty annoying.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on October 02, 2022, 09:13:38 PM
I’d still pick 99s (or the dragons) in that scenario over the 97s, they can’t match the slides of either.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on October 02, 2022, 10:36:12 PM
97a that much smoother than 99 on Asphalt? Not flyover state crust asphalt, I'd say your normal parking lots at the slappy spot and the decent street in front of my house. Dragons gripping got pretty annoying.

I’d still pick 99s (or the dragons) in that scenario over the 97s, they can’t match the slides of either.



How are the dragons grippy exactly? I'm just about to buy a pair.

Grippy on Tre flip scoops? Or grippy on slides ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on October 02, 2022, 10:39:31 PM
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97a that much smoother than 99 on Asphalt? Not flyover state crust asphalt, I'd say your normal parking lots at the slappy spot and the decent street in front of my house. Dragons gripping got pretty annoying.
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I’d still pick 99s (or the dragons) in that scenario over the 97s, they can’t match the slides of either.


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How are the dragons grippy exactly? I'm just about to buy a pair.

Grippy on Tre flip scoops? Or grippy on slides ?

Tre flip scoop is fine, powerslides and reverts are also fine for me. Sidewalls grippy on grinds on certain surfaces (less porous concrete, metal edges, round rails etc), and sometimes also grippy on lip/nose/blunt/tailslides on certain ledges.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 03, 2022, 02:24:46 AM

Ok y'all got me convinced to setup my last set of Radial Slims


Were they the 54mm 99 duro ones from me?

At least they were from before pandemic dramas and all the current wheel issues, so I have no doubt they would be ok, but for anyone else stockpiling wheels from current drops, I would definitely be getting them out and checking they all fit bearings correctly.

The last thing I would want to have happen is however long down the track I think "Ok I can set up this last set or two I had saved for however long" only to find that one or more of the wheels had bearing seat issues. 

At least warranty claims are good within certain timeframes, especially if they are still new, but it is hard to return something that is from more than a few months ago, even if they are still unused, as new old stock is not covered under any normal warranty.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 03, 2022, 05:45:20 AM
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Ok y'all got me convinced to setup my last set of Radial Slims
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Were they the 54mm 99 duro ones from me?

At least they were from before pandemic dramas and all the current wheel issues, so I have no doubt they would be ok, but for anyone else stockpiling wheels from current drops, I would definitely be getting them out and checking they all fit bearings correctly.

The last thing I would want to have happen is however long down the track I think "Ok I can set up this last set or two I had saved for however long" only to find that one or more of the wheels had bearing seat issues. 

At least warranty claims are good within certain timeframes, especially if they are still new, but it is hard to return something that is from more than a few months ago, even if they are still unused, as new old stock is not covered under any normal warranty.

Lol sounds like a twilight zone episode. Finally has all the time in the world to skate... But the bearing seats are defective.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 03, 2022, 11:41:39 AM
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97a that much smoother than 99 on Asphalt? Not flyover state crust asphalt, I'd say your normal parking lots at the slappy spot and the decent street in front of my house. Dragons gripping got pretty annoying.
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I’d still pick 99s (or the dragons) in that scenario over the 97s, they can’t match the slides of either.


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How are the dragons grippy exactly? I'm just about to buy a pair.

Grippy on Tre flip scoops? Or grippy on slides ?
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Tre flip scoop is fine, powerslides and reverts are also fine for me. Sidewalls grippy on grinds on certain surfaces (less porous concrete, metal edges, round rails etc), and sometimes also grippy on lip/nose/blunt/tailslides on certain ledges.

These are the surfaces I skate the most. My curb spots are usually red, sometimes dusty, and the wax doesn't always penetrate the paint so you get areas where it wears off. With Dragons I would dramatically slow down if I hit those.

At my house I have a portable concrete ledge, some parking blocks, quarter pipe, bank, and a manual pad with rounded steel coping. Dragons grabbed on all of those. The worst was fakie front nose/crooks. I'd be sliding/grinding, then slow super quick and fall off towards my bad ankle. The other stuff prob all kinda fine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 03, 2022, 03:54:18 PM
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Ok y'all got me convinced to setup my last set of Radial Slims
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Were they the 54mm 99 duro ones from me?

At least they were from before pandemic dramas and all the current wheel issues, so I have no doubt they would be ok, but for anyone else stockpiling wheels from current drops, I would definitely be getting them out and checking they all fit bearings correctly.

The last thing I would want to have happen is however long down the track I think "Ok I can set up this last set or two I had saved for however long" only to find that one or more of the wheels had bearing seat issues. 

At least warranty claims are good within certain timeframes, especially if they are still new, but it is hard to return something that is from more than a few months ago, even if they are still unused, as new old stock is not covered under any normal warranty.
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Lol sounds like a twilight zone episode. Finally has all the time in the world to skate... But the bearing seats are defective.


Ha yeah for sure.


For all those hoarders that keep an endless supply of their favourite wheels, packaging mint, stored away, I would definitely be going through and checking those wheels.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 03, 2022, 07:25:36 PM
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Ok y'all got me convinced to setup my last set of Radial Slims
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Were they the 54mm 99 duro ones from me?

At least they were from before pandemic dramas and all the current wheel issues, so I have no doubt they would be ok, but for anyone else stockpiling wheels from current drops, I would definitely be getting them out and checking they all fit bearings correctly.

The last thing I would want to have happen is however long down the track I think "Ok I can set up this last set or two I had saved for however long" only to find that one or more of the wheels had bearing seat issues. 

At least warranty claims are good within certain timeframes, especially if they are still new, but it is hard to return something that is from more than a few months ago, even if they are still unused, as new old stock is not covered under any normal warranty.
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Lol sounds like a twilight zone episode. Finally has all the time in the world to skate... But the bearing seats are defective.
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Ha yeah for sure.


For all those hoarders that keep an endless supply of their favourite wheels, packaging mint, stored away, I would definitely be going through and checking those wheels.

@Mbrimson88 - yeah I'm planning on setting the ones you passed me, not the recent drop of Radial Slims.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2022, 07:00:20 PM
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Seems we are past due for another Spitfire drop, so Spring Drop 2 should be up soon I am thinking.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


Chris Pfanner's video up there is pretty cool.



I also feel like it has been a minute since getting more stock for a lot of shops here in AU, but I imagine all those current wheels aren't far off now for us too.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on October 26, 2022, 12:21:48 AM
new spitfire drop up on the site

56mm radials
97a radial fulls


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall22/sf-fl22-d2-venom-03.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall22/sf-fl22-d2-radial-full-05.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Steely Daniel on October 26, 2022, 01:43:12 AM
Dang, so there are 9 shapes in F4 now lol?

Curious about what the riding surface is for radial full 56s.

Normal radials are 21.5 mm and conical full are 25mm so somewhere in between I guess. 23mm?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on October 26, 2022, 01:54:15 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/2ZP2mdh/IMAG1854.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/jJGKBDf)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Steely Daniel on October 26, 2022, 02:09:52 AM
Oshit that was quick and they are wider than expected. Are they dropping the OG radials? since there's still 8 shapes on that
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on October 26, 2022, 02:19:02 AM
Classic
Classic full
Conical
Conical full
Radial slim
Radial
Radial full
Tablet
OG classics
Lock in


Not to forget
Classic slims but I haven’t seen those in a spell p
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Steely Daniel on October 26, 2022, 02:33:40 AM
Ha, I've never even heard of the classic slims. Must look like a street bike tire version of a skate wheel. 15 mm riding surface on a 56 lol?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on October 26, 2022, 03:16:22 AM
Oshit that was quick and they are wider than expected. Are they dropping the OG radials? since there's still 8 shapes on that

Radial Fulls are VERY wide and heavy. It honestly makes so much sense to put them out in 97a, good call by them. I can't imagine why you would want these behemoths in anything harder than that. If you require this shape/size, you probably also require a softer wheel.

I imagine these should be a pretty solid crust tackling semi-cruiser type wheel for people who don't like Dragons for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on October 26, 2022, 05:17:24 AM
Oshit that was quick and they are wider than expected. Are they dropping the OG radials? since there's still 8 shapes on that

well slap is well referenced on google it seems
because this pic is from page 128  8)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 26, 2022, 07:09:32 AM
Ha, I've never even heard of the classic slims. Must look like a street bike tire version of a skate wheel. 15 mm riding surface on a 56 lol?

(https://www.soohotrightnow.com/app/uploads/02-spitfire-sp16-dr2-desktop-1100x550.jpg)

Mid 2010s wheel shape when Spitfire was doing fun graphics for each pro rider.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on October 26, 2022, 09:19:24 AM
I was hoping to find some 58mm F4 OG Classics in this drop. Colored, swirled, natural, whatever.

Radial Full shape and 97a do seem like a perfect match too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on October 26, 2022, 01:56:13 PM
54mm 101 F4s have been very fun. Wish they would do some orange ones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 26, 2022, 05:53:55 PM
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Oshit that was quick and they are wider than expected. Are they dropping the OG radials? since there's still 8 shapes on that
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well slap is well referenced on google it seems
because this pic is from page 128  8)


So many good things come up in those simple searches though.

Helped me find some "missing" things I couldn't find on here that came up right away on google.


That page 128 was a busy one!!!


Thanks to @Schinken for that backing card too.


Might be of interest. Size/shape chart from my latest purchase.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on October 27, 2022, 12:34:47 PM
radial fulls lookin like a pixar mom. THICK
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on October 28, 2022, 05:22:10 AM
I like the shape of radials but the what's the point riding them when you get pretty much the same width with conical fulls and less weight?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on October 28, 2022, 06:28:05 AM
rounded edges
basically a worn down classic right from the jump
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: notinternetfamous on October 28, 2022, 07:04:17 AM
radial fulls lookin like a pixar mom. THICK
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on October 28, 2022, 07:13:23 AM
I want those 58mm 97a radial fulls immediately
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Creachteach on October 28, 2022, 07:49:41 AM
I like the shape of radials but the what's the point riding them when you get pretty much the same width with conical fulls and less weight?

Same question as quoted post, but with regular conicals and OG classics?
What justification is there to having both shapes?
Does one shape have merits the other doesn’t?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on October 28, 2022, 07:55:26 AM
rounded edges
basically a worn down classic right from the jump

Too wide imo.

#classicgang
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on November 01, 2022, 09:56:30 AM
Lil Smokies back on the shelves in a couple of different shapes.
 Highly recommended for BPSW style set ups.

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on November 01, 2022, 11:55:49 AM
Lil Smokies back on the shelves in a couple of different shapes.
 Highly recommended for BPSW style set ups.

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html)
I wrote to them saying it's a ripoff to price these at $40, they're supposed to be a pricepoint wheel. Can still get the 50mm tablets from Chico's webstore for $25 ($33 after shipping) 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Creachteach on November 01, 2022, 05:16:04 PM
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Lil Smokies back on the shelves in a couple of different shapes.
 Highly recommended for BPSW style set ups.

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html)
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I wrote to them saying it's a ripoff to price these at $40, they're supposed to be a pricepoint wheel. Can still get the 50mm tablets from Chico's webstore for $25 ($33 after shipping)

You guys overseas are privileged. For euroscum, like me, F4 Spits are almost always 60€\$ everywhere.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bbk on November 01, 2022, 05:44:33 PM
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Lil Smokies back on the shelves in a couple of different shapes.
 Highly recommended for BPSW style set ups.

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html)
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I wrote to them saying it's a ripoff to price these at $40, they're supposed to be a pricepoint wheel. Can still get the 50mm tablets from Chico's webstore for $25 ($33 after shipping)
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You guys overseas are privileged. For euroscum, like me, F4 Spits are almost always 60€\$ everywhere.
In sweden they've been 68€ for awhile and I've seen new wholesale prices, they will be 76€ up to 56 mm, 84 for 57 and up. Dlx boards are 90-100€, Bakerboys 100-110. It's fucked
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: m path on November 01, 2022, 05:55:35 PM
Somebody should do a 49.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on November 01, 2022, 06:04:01 PM
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Lil Smokies back on the shelves in a couple of different shapes.
 Highly recommended for BPSW style set ups.

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html (https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_F4_Lil_Smokies_Tablet_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFLSTWH.html)
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I wrote to them saying it's a ripoff to price these at $40, they're supposed to be a pricepoint wheel. Can still get the 50mm tablets from Chico's webstore for $25 ($33 after shipping)

Good point. Think I paid $24 last set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on November 01, 2022, 09:10:42 PM
just ordered 57mm lock ins wish me luck
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: typeischeap on November 04, 2022, 07:24:55 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/4V3s7W1/PXL-20221104-135109209.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4V3s7W1)

Made a couple of runs at wheels >54mm and always switched back. Lately been digging these 56mm AVEs (conical, not full) which pair well with wheel wells. Little less pushing at the park, a little more floating over street crust, feel exactly the same as my 54s on miniramp.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on November 04, 2022, 08:31:46 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/4V3s7W1/PXL-20221104-135109209.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4V3s7W1)

Made a couple of runs at wheels >54mm and always switched back. Lately been digging these 56mm AVEs (conical, not full) which pair well with wheel wells. Little less pushing at the park, a little more floating over street crust, feel exactly the same as my 54s on miniramp.

I grabbed a pair of conicals (not full) and it's definitely been my second favorite shape behind radials. I don't like the super big contact patch full wheels unless it's a cruiser board.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FUBAR on November 04, 2022, 08:48:35 AM
Lil Smokies are back too…bunch of shapes and smaller, too. Stoked.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on November 04, 2022, 09:13:45 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/4V3s7W1/PXL-20221104-135109209.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4V3s7W1)

Made a couple of runs at wheels >54mm and always switched back. Lately been digging these 56mm AVEs (conical, not full) which pair well with wheel wells. Little less pushing at the park, a little more floating over street crust, feel exactly the same as my 54s on miniramp.

Conical regular is I think my current favorite shape. For me they are a little harder to get out of Coping than classics but the smoother faster roll and I lock in on slides and everything else better it’s a fair trade off.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on November 04, 2022, 09:14:27 AM
Lil Smokies are back too…bunch of shapes and smaller, too. Stoked.

I skated another wheel brand's small wheels and every time I was on them I would think "man, if Spitfire made this wheel in a F4 it would be killer."
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on November 04, 2022, 09:33:43 AM
Dang, so there are 9 shapes in F4 now lol?

Curious about what the riding surface is for radial full 56s.

Normal radials are 21.5 mm and conical full are 25mm so somewhere in between I guess. 23mm?

Radial Full 56mm riding surface is 26mm & the 58mm has a 28mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 06, 2022, 08:58:56 AM
new spitfire drop up on the site

97a radial fulls

Fuck, my Radial Fulls are still fresh but I think I want them in 97A. While my general setup madness is mellowing out, Spitfire is killing me with the last few drops.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on November 06, 2022, 11:10:42 AM
but where's the radial slims?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on November 07, 2022, 07:54:31 AM
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new spitfire drop up on the site

97a radial fulls
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Fuck, my Radial Fulls are still fresh but I think I want them in 97A. While my general setup madness is mellowing out, Spitfire is killing me with the last few drops.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/natural-97d

they got em. and they're on sale too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on November 07, 2022, 12:56:24 PM
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new spitfire drop up on the site

97a radial fulls
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Fuck, my Radial Fulls are still fresh but I think I want them in 97A. While my general setup madness is mellowing out, Spitfire is killing me with the last few drops.
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https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/natural-97d

they got em. and they're on sale too

Thanks, really good price but with shipping and customs it'll add up too much (I am in Europe).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 08, 2022, 12:10:26 PM
have rode these wheels now for about 6 weeks and they have some small chunks out of them. they are so small i cant hear them or feel them yet though, but i imagine once i hit 12-16 weeks it will be more noticble. i have heard spitfire flatspot easily but i have put these through a lot of fs slappys and nothing remotely close to a flat spot. i think that might be contributing to the chunks i have, proably just powerslid into some sharp rocks on the way on to a fs slap. so could be more the way im skating and not so much the wheels too cause i just learnd this trick few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 08, 2022, 04:41:02 PM
have rode these wheels now for about 6 weeks and they have some small chunks out of them. they are so small i cant hear them or feel them yet though, but i imagine once i hit 12-16 weeks it will be more noticble. i have heard spitfire flatspot easily but i have put these through a lot of fs slappys and nothing remotely close to a flat spot. i think that might be contributing to the chunks i have, proably just powerslid into some sharp rocks on the way on to a fs slap. so could be more the way im skating and not so much the wheels too cause i just learnd this trick few weeks ago.


The original formula definitely had more flatspot issues, but the Formula Four wheels have way fewer problems overall and although I have seen a few sets over the years with flatspots or problems, they are all what I would consider "user error" or not defective, eg nail sticking out of a box took a chunk out of a wheel, board ran under a car and got major flatspots from being dragged, power slides to a dead stop that caused small flatspots, etc.

I guess everything in skateboarding is going to get used, abused, worn and destroyed, but it sure is nice to have things like wheels that tend not to flatspot as much as others.

That is why my pick is Formula Four wheels, but everyone is entitled to make up their own minds too.


More often than not when I hear some older guys or people who have been skating for a while talk about "Shitfire wheels" and saying Spitfires suck, it is more often than not because they had the original formula and not the Formula Four wheels, but sometimes that one set they didn't like will give them an opinion on things for the rest of their life.  Again, not a big deal, but it is funny to hear some people go on about things, when I feel like they know little to nothing about them in the current day and age.


What size and shape are you currently riding?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 09, 2022, 07:27:33 AM
the Mark Suciu one

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2059/8303/products/suciumarkt_720x.jpg?v=1648571430)

53mm conical full 99a

i really wanted to get the normal graphic with this but the skate shop only had the suciu one, but luckily it was the exact shape, size, and duro i wnated anyway. plus Suciu is awesome so why not? great all around wheel. i was worried i might want a 97a which has been hard to find but i am very happy with this duro.

This wheel is a lot more fun for me than my past 2 wheels. OJ 95a feel like i need so much wax to do noseslides and i got a bit tired of constant waxing and sticking. i am probably gonna switch those for dragons next time, it is more of a crusier board setup (9.1" egg, ace 60s). i had bones STF 104a or something wild like that, and it was just way too slippery. some spots were really hard to skate like that, like if you have to make a fast turn. this feels perfect in between. no problem on my slide tricks at all but i can also still turn without slipping all over the place.

i think next time though i would go to 52mm or maybe even smaller. the skate shop had this breana wheel that i considered getting that i think was smaller. fabiana delfino has one in 52 that looks good too.  i am in a location now with much better ground and i want less drag on the slide tricks / easier to pop up to grinds from slides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on November 09, 2022, 07:31:30 AM
56mm 99a F4 Classics are the best wheel.

That is all.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 09, 2022, 07:34:33 AM
i have bene skating 56-58mm for a long time maybe just say fuck the dragons and just get a bigger f4 for my cruiser setup. it sounds like dragons will have similar problem to my OJ you need a lot of wax to do noseslides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on November 13, 2022, 07:52:17 PM
I'm on those new 97a 56mm radial fulls, had a few sessions including an indoor skatepark. Definitely adds to the all terrain feel of these in this shape since they're so fat and that slightly softer durometer really smooths things out and makes everything feel less teeth chattering. Little more effort required to slide but it's nothing crazy. Highly recommend em, cheers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on November 13, 2022, 08:05:58 PM
I'm on those new 97a 56mm radial fulls, had a few sessions including an indoor skatepark. Definitely adds to the all terrain feel of these in this shape since they're so fat and that slightly softer durometer really smooths things out and makes everything feel less teeth chattering. Little more effort required to slide but it's nothing crazy. Highly recommend em, cheers

Glad to hear. I really think it was the right call to move that shape to 97a. Must feel like monster truck tires skating on that.

Any more news on their 95a? Honestly seems like that would be too soft, but I'm still curious.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on November 13, 2022, 09:18:54 PM
56mm 99a F4 Classics are the best wheel.

That is all.

try skate them skinny ass shits off rip in NYC
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on November 14, 2022, 06:18:00 AM
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I'm on those new 97a 56mm radial fulls, had a few sessions including an indoor skatepark. Definitely adds to the all terrain feel of these in this shape since they're so fat and that slightly softer durometer really smooths things out and makes everything feel less teeth chattering. Little more effort required to slide but it's nothing crazy. Highly recommend em, cheers
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Glad to hear. I really think it was the right call to move that shape to 97a. Must feel like monster truck tires skating on that.

Any more news on their 95a? Honestly seems like that would be too soft, but I'm still curious.

In this radial full shape, they feel extremely similar to those 60mm OJ 95a's in terms of softening things up, but since these are F4 the slide is unbeatable. I'd say the 95a in F4's is kinda overkill.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: nekro on November 14, 2022, 07:18:40 AM
Are there any fake Lock-Ins in circulation or is that just Conical Fulls?  I've seen a cheap set on ebay but they look more white rather than natural. 
Is there anything that will give them away as fakes just from looking at them?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 14, 2022, 03:41:50 PM
Are there any fake Lock-Ins in circulation or is that just Conical Fulls?  I've seen a cheap set on ebay but they look more white rather than natural. 
Is there anything that will give them away as fakes just from looking at them?


At last check, I think there were really only still a few sets / options in the fake ones, Conical Full in blue graphic 99 and red graphic 101 around 52 to 54, along with some other older versions that are mismatched, eg Conical or Radial graphic on a Classic wheel and similar, as well as all those Radial Slims.

As to the colour, a lot of the newer Formula Four Spitfire wheels have been a lot less natural in colour and a lot more pale, almost white, so I think they should be fine - they are brand new wheels and freshly poured is always going to be a bit lighter in colour than something that is months old, especially comparing some I have here that were pre pandemic, to more recent to freshest wheels just out.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on November 14, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
No fake Lock-Ins to my knowledge.

The common ones are 52mm Classics, Conical Full (red / blue), and 54mm Radial Slims (shaped like classics).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: typeischeap on November 15, 2022, 07:18:25 AM
As to the colour, a lot of the newer Formula Four Spitfire wheels have been a lot less natural in colour and a lot more pale, almost white, so I think they should be fine - they are brand new wheels and freshly poured is always going to be a bit lighter in colour than something that is months old, especially comparing some I have here that were pre pandemic, to more recent to freshest wheels just out.

This. Just copped some lock-ins to try out and they seemed significantly lighter than my other various sets of F4s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: nekro on November 15, 2022, 09:28:08 AM
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Are there any fake Lock-Ins in circulation or is that just Conical Fulls?  I've seen a cheap set on ebay but they look more white rather than natural. 
Is there anything that will give them away as fakes just from looking at them?
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At last check, I think there were really only still a few sets / options in the fake ones, Conical Full in blue graphic 99 and red graphic 101 around 52 to 54, along with some other older versions that are mismatched, eg Conical or Radial graphic on a Classic wheel and similar, as well as all those Radial Slims.

As to the colour, a lot of the newer Formula Four Spitfire wheels have been a lot less natural in colour and a lot more pale, almost white, so I think they should be fine - they are brand new wheels and freshly poured is always going to be a bit lighter in colour than something that is months old, especially comparing some I have here that were pre pandemic, to more recent to freshest wheels just out.

Thanks mate. Yeah most fake listings seem to use the same stock photos which is a giveaway. These ones have been skated a bit and look ok. I'm recently back into skating after a long break and now do remember wheels discolouring after a while.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bror on November 15, 2022, 12:06:40 PM
Is there a Big size difference between 56 conical fulls and reg conicals? Got the fulls on sale but theyre soo wide n heavy. Dummy thick.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Steely Daniel on November 15, 2022, 11:04:11 PM
Is there a Big size difference between 56 conical fulls and reg conicals? Got the fulls on sale but theyre soo wide n heavy. Dummy thick.

There is yeah. It seems to go up exponentially as you size up in the conical fulls.

For example, 51 conicals have 31mm width and 19mm riding surface whereas 51 conical full have 32mm width and 20.8mm riding surface. Not a huge difference.

Scale that up to the big boy sizes and its 33mm width and 20.5mm surface on 56 conical vs 36mm width and 25mm surface for the 56mm conical fulls.

I'm currently riding 56mm conical fulls in 99 duro and they feel great on the crusty 27-year-old weathered Canadian PNW park I try to skate daily. I also just figured out I'm skating 159's on a 8.375 board with these big ass wheels and they have given me no problems on my 2-3 flatground flip tricks but your mileage may vary. I can't 360 flip so can't vouch for scoopy flip tricks but they feel fine to flip, and 180 flip to keep things simple.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on November 16, 2022, 07:13:40 AM
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56mm 99a F4 Classics are the best wheel.

That is all.
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try skate them skinny ass shits off rip in NYC

The riding surface/width to diameter ratio changes greatly at 56mm on the classics. That's why I like them. I've ridden them in NYC, Baltimore, Philly, and RVA just fine. Would say DC too, but it's pretty smooth there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on November 16, 2022, 08:20:15 AM
id love to see a radial full in 52-53. 

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dstrytruitt on November 16, 2022, 08:32:46 AM
Is there a Big size difference between 56 conical fulls and reg conicals? Got the fulls on sale but theyre soo wide n heavy. Dummy thick.

My 54 fulls vs regular conicals also feel way bigger and more difficult to get on/off coping on grinds.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on November 16, 2022, 09:00:28 AM
The wheel i keep coming back to are my 52mm conicals. I kept think radials were going to do it for me but they just end up feeling sort of big and clunky.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 16, 2022, 09:07:18 AM
The wheel i keep coming back to are my 52mm conicals. I kept think radials were going to do it for me but they just end up feeling sort of big and clunky.

I haven’t tried regular conicals.
I skate classics the most, 52s.
I have some 52 conical fulls, 101s that I really like.
I’ll try the regular conicals next.
I don’t like a wheel larger than 52, for anything other than rolling.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on November 16, 2022, 09:55:05 AM
The wheel i keep coming back to are my 52mm conicals. I kept think radials were going to do it for me but they just end up feeling sort of big and clunky.

I was rolling on the 52mm conicals for almost a year, then recently tried the 53mm Lock Ins. The Lock Ins were pretty good for some crusty spots here in the suburbs of East Berlin, but they can feel also pretty clunky sometimes.
I am curious about the 54mm conicals now, but the specs are very similar to the 53mm Lock Ins so I am hesitant to try them. Back on the 52mm Conicals which are 50mm now and I hope to roll around a bit on sunday.

Anyone have opinions on the 54mm 99a Conicals?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 16, 2022, 10:43:03 AM
man i think radials look really gross but they must work way better than fat wheels. if you think about it there should be way less drag and resistance. i wonder maybe they dont last as long though or maybe that doesnt even matter because the fat wheel is still touching the floor the entire time anyway.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on November 16, 2022, 11:09:18 AM
Radials are pretty sick, just a bit clunky for my taste.
But I think they would be awesome in 50mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 16, 2022, 11:33:41 AM
Radials are pretty sick, just a bit clunky for my taste.
But I think they would be awesome in 50mm.

I like low trucks, and as such, skate 52s (or smaller), some wide ones in these sizes would be fun to try, but I feel like that would be a really small niche.
Late 90s/2000s, in my memory, some of the wheels were sorta wide
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on November 17, 2022, 07:51:42 AM
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The wheel i keep coming back to are my 52mm conicals. I kept think radials were going to do it for me but they just end up feeling sort of big and clunky.
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I was rolling on the 52mm conicals for almost a year, then recently tried the 53mm Lock Ins. The Lock Ins were pretty good for some crusty spots here in the suburbs of East Berlin, but they can feel also pretty clunky sometimes.
I am curious about the 54mm conicals now, but the specs are very similar to the 53mm Lock Ins so I am hesitant to try them. Back on the 52mm Conicals which are 50mm now and I hope to roll around a bit on sunday.

Anyone have opinions on the 54mm 99a Conicals?

I’m
Skating 54mm 99a conical now. I love them. I was sharing 55mm classics but I think I prefer the conical shape for street. Classics was nice for coping. But just barely nicer on coping.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dstrytruitt on November 17, 2022, 11:24:48 AM
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The wheel i keep coming back to are my 52mm conicals. I kept think radials were going to do it for me but they just end up feeling sort of big and clunky.
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I was rolling on the 52mm conicals for almost a year, then recently tried the 53mm Lock Ins. The Lock Ins were pretty good for some crusty spots here in the suburbs of East Berlin, but they can feel also pretty clunky sometimes.
I am curious about the 54mm conicals now, but the specs are very similar to the 53mm Lock Ins so I am hesitant to try them. Back on the 52mm Conicals which are 50mm now and I hope to roll around a bit on sunday.

Anyone have opinions on the 54mm 99a Conicals?
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I’m
Skating 54mm 99a conical now. I love them. I was sharing 55mm classics but I think I prefer the conical shape for street. Classics was nice for coping. But just barely nicer on coping.

I'm on 54 conicals for small tranny. 58 classic F4 on big tranny. Love the smaller conicals for tranny and on/off coping.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 06, 2022, 06:06:47 PM
SW got them sweetass F4 56mm Radial Fulls in 97a

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_Four_Radial_Full_97a_Wheels/descpage-SF4RFWH.html

ACTUAL SIZE
(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=SF4RFWH-MU-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gaunting on December 07, 2022, 12:17:13 AM
Radials are pretty sick, just a bit clunky for my taste.
But I think they would be awesome in 50mm.

spitfire just re issued the “lil smokies” wheel in a conical and conical full I believe. 48mm,49mm and 50mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Easy Slider on December 07, 2022, 02:03:25 AM
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Radials are pretty sick, just a bit clunky for my taste.
But I think they would be awesome in 50mm.
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spitfire just re issued the “lil smokies” wheel in a conical and conical full I believe. 48mm,49mm and 50mm

A great wheel, I had the 48s (not sure which format). However, they wore down rather quickly to 44 so I had to ditch them because it became increasingly difficult to skate slightly crustier spots. I still have them on a spare set up tho, for those 90s vibes.

Conical fulls should be good for crust even at a small size, right?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on December 07, 2022, 09:36:29 AM
Yo what?! 50mm conical fulls? That sounds great. Thanks for the heads up.

* I currently have some 50mm classics on Indy 159s and that looks a bit ridiculous ^^
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on December 07, 2022, 10:07:32 AM
I’ve only seen smokies conicals, not fulls (but would be interested). I used to run the Anderson SFWs in 50mm, those were one of my favorite wheels before F4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 07, 2022, 03:46:04 PM
I’ve only seen smokies conicals, not fulls (but would be interested). I used to run the Anderson SFWs in 50mm, those were one of my favorite wheels before F4


The Lil Smokies are just scaled down versions, so the Conical Full wheel is still small, but not quite as narrow as others in that 50mm size.  Definitely a good proportion of width and shape.


They looked a bit scary in the bigger 56mm size, which is what I ususally bought at the time in "Bighead" / Classic Full shape.  The funny thing is I just picked up another set of the 55mm slightly used from a friend recently, which are good for bigger stuff.

The smaller versions of the SFW are so much better for everything / more fun overall though.

This is a good one to show all the sizes, although "Conical Full" name came later it was the same shape they use now.


(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e7/46/95/e746954e9357ae327c8654bad09827a3--mike-dantoni-skateboarding.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on December 08, 2022, 09:10:03 AM
holiday 22 is up

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/holiday-2022/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on December 08, 2022, 10:01:47 AM
Yo what?! 50mm conical fulls? That sounds great. Thanks for the heads up.

* I currently have some 50mm classics on Indy 159s and that looks a bit ridiculous ^^

I wanted some early 90s energy on my Huffer, and I had a set of 50mm Classics, but I hear you on the tiny Classics looking funny on wide trucks, so I just snagged the 50mm/101A Conical Fulls. Here’s the look with AF1 60s.
(https://i.ibb.co/Vg63Nw3/F2-B3-D8-A4-FD26-45-A2-A402-6-C473-B4759-FC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Vg63Nw3)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 08, 2022, 10:14:53 AM
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Yo what?! 50mm conical fulls? That sounds great. Thanks for the heads up.

* I currently have some 50mm classics on Indy 159s and that looks a bit ridiculous ^^
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I wanted some early 90s energy on my Huffer, and I had a set of 50mm Classics, but I hear you on the tiny Classics looking funny on wide trucks, so I just snagged the 50mm/101A Conical Fulls. Here’s the look with AF1 60s.
(https://i.ibb.co/Vg63Nw3/F2-B3-D8-A4-FD26-45-A2-A402-6-C473-B4759-FC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Vg63Nw3)
i dont think it looks ridiculous on 8.75 axles
starts getting weird in the 169 range imo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 08, 2022, 10:29:36 AM
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Yo what?! 50mm conical fulls? That sounds great. Thanks for the heads up.

* I currently have some 50mm classics on Indy 159s and that looks a bit ridiculous ^^
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I wanted some early 90s energy on my Huffer, and I had a set of 50mm Classics, but I hear you on the tiny Classics looking funny on wide trucks, so I just snagged the 50mm/101A Conical Fulls. Here’s the look with AF1 60s.
(https://i.ibb.co/Vg63Nw3/F2-B3-D8-A4-FD26-45-A2-A402-6-C473-B4759-FC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Vg63Nw3)

This is reminding me of all the EMB raw footage I've seen on YouTube of Mike Carrol and friends.

You've got to skate a ledge and barely grind in honor of them. Maybe dance between a crook and a nose slide.

Not sure how they were able to skate bricks with such small wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: disclosed on December 08, 2022, 10:41:03 AM
i've been on the hunt for some lil smokies for a while now but no success yet. hope a batch hits europe soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 08, 2022, 11:06:02 AM
As the width of the wheel isn't thinner due to it's size as they're just shaved down defects, just nab some 51mm spits? That's the path I went.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: disclosed on December 08, 2022, 12:29:04 PM
As the width of the wheel isn't thinner due to it's size as they're just shaved down defects, just nab some 51mm spits? That's the path I went.

but they're allmost 20 bucks cheaper.
also kinda dont think i can run them fulltime. the crust is real out here.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iangreen66 on December 08, 2022, 12:43:53 PM
holiday 22 is up

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/holiday-2022/

I'm kind of bummed there's nothing bigger than 58mm, but there are nice options at that size. I am on some 60mm F4 classics right now and I feel like I've been my most comfortable on the board as of recent.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bristol_Palin on December 08, 2022, 01:04:31 PM
Did the stop making og classics? I had some more 58s on deck but I ended up setting them up. I really was loving them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on December 08, 2022, 01:14:47 PM
For my fellow woodworkers/hobbyists:

A couple of friends bought the Evan Smith Mashup wheels and I offered to do some work on the boxes.

The boxes are made of some cheap scrap wood that's so soft that I could easily poke holes in the wood with a toothpick. That doesn't mean it's not a good project though.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937936972201201707/1050505173702819850/IMG_20221208_121043_901.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937936972201201707/1050505173958664362/IMG_20221208_121043_983.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937936972201201707/1050505175917416518/IMG_20221208_121044_117.jpg)

Sanded up to 220 grit, applied a dark brown wood stain, applied three layers of gloss spar urethane, gently wet sanded with 400 grit to remove any remaining residue, and applied a wax finish for a bit of extra protection.

Final:

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937936972201201707/1050505173308547132/IMG_20221208_121043_796.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937936972201201707/1050505174210334740/IMG_20221208_121044_055.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937936972201201707/1050505174935937125/IMG_20221208_121044_018.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937936972201201707/1050505175296655420/IMG_20221208_121044_082.jpg)

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937936972201201707/1050505175594442803/IMG_20221208_121044_100.jpg)

I wish it wasn't so cloudy right now since the color pops out when the sun's shining on it, kinda like the 2nd and 3rd picture.

It was also difficult to work on the inside of the box and the crevice where the lid slides in, so I mainly focused on the exterior of the box. Someone with more experience with me may have a workaround for that though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on December 08, 2022, 01:19:34 PM
Those are sick! Great work! I'd put my weed it it!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 08, 2022, 03:48:26 PM
Did the stop making og classics? I had some more 58s on deck but I ended up setting them up. I really was loving them.


I think others had asked and were told they will make some more OG Classics in 2023, but everything is already booked up production wise until then.

Guessing in USA and other places they are out, but here in AU there are still heaps but maybe not in all sizes, some around though if you look hard enough, including 58 and 60 mm.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 08, 2022, 03:51:33 PM
For my fellow woodworkers/hobbyists:

A couple of friends bought the Evan Smith Mashup wheels and I offered to do some work on the boxes.

The boxes are made of some cheap scrap wood that's so soft that I could easily poke holes in the wood with a toothpick. That doesn't mean it's not a good project though.

It was also difficult to work on the inside of the box and the crevice where the lid slides in, so I mainly focused on the exterior of the box. Someone with more experience with me may have a workaround for that though.


They look amazing!

Also curious how many sets you got in and if anyone has played mix and match with them - not that it matters, but I am just curious.

I used to do that when I had a shop and access and people actually wanted the unique sets I made up more than the production stock in many cases, but I could see it being something that some shop owners or others might frown on.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on December 08, 2022, 03:52:46 PM
holiday 22 is up

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/holiday-2022/

How are they gonna drop Horror Business inspired 53mm F4 99a classics right after I bought some normal ones?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on December 08, 2022, 05:51:49 PM
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Yo what?! 50mm conical fulls? That sounds great. Thanks for the heads up.

* I currently have some 50mm classics on Indy 159s and that looks a bit ridiculous ^^
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I wanted some early 90s energy on my Huffer, and I had a set of 50mm Classics, but I hear you on the tiny Classics looking funny on wide trucks, so I just snagged the 50mm/101A Conical Fulls. Here’s the look with AF1 60s.
(https://i.ibb.co/Vg63Nw3/F2-B3-D8-A4-FD26-45-A2-A402-6-C473-B4759-FC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Vg63Nw3)

That setup looks awesome. I also hope I can find some Lil Smokies here in Europe soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Very Bev on December 08, 2022, 06:00:05 PM
just set up a set of radials for the first time (went from skating only classics forever, then to conicals for the last year or two) and man I have been having so much fun. Great for ledges and coping alike, flip tricks feel good, idk i'm super stoked on them (55mm 99a). Got the lotties drawing on em too which is beast.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on December 08, 2022, 09:23:54 PM
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Yo what?! 50mm conical fulls? That sounds great. Thanks for the heads up.

* I currently have some 50mm classics on Indy 159s and that looks a bit ridiculous ^^
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I wanted some early 90s energy on my Huffer, and I had a set of 50mm Classics, but I hear you on the tiny Classics looking funny on wide trucks, so I just snagged the 50mm/101A Conical Fulls. Here’s the look with AF1 60s.
(https://i.ibb.co/Vg63Nw3/F2-B3-D8-A4-FD26-45-A2-A402-6-C473-B4759-FC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Vg63Nw3)
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That setup looks awesome. I also hope I can find some Lil Smokies here in Europe soon.

Yeah, it’s a blast. Loose and surfy without having to worry about wheelbite too much. Love it as a parking lot/curb board, though I haven’t gotten to take it out much due to sloppy weather.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: l1ll1ll1 on December 09, 2022, 06:16:07 AM
holiday 22 is up

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/holiday-2022/

Black 58 Conicals. Take my money.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on December 09, 2022, 10:58:12 AM
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holiday 22 is up

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/holiday-2022/
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Black 58 Conicals. Take my money.
303 has them in stock  ;D
https://www.303boards.com/collections/skateboarding/products/spitfire-99-formula-4-evan-conical-full-black-wheels-58mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 09, 2022, 01:57:22 PM
holiday 22 is up

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/holiday-2022/

This thread triggers my consumerism so hard. My Radial Full 56mm 99A are not even down to 55mm and I have put in an order for the 97A variant. In my mind they’ll be even nicer on my "lazy day cruise to bowl / carve and do some flat ground tricks"-setup.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on December 09, 2022, 03:42:30 PM
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holiday 22 is up

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/holiday-2022/
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This thread triggers my consumerism so hard. My Radial Full 56mm 99A are not even down to 55mm and I have put in an order for the 97A variant. In my mind they’ll be even nicer on my "lazy day cruise to bowl / carve and do some flat ground tricks"-setup.

not sure if this makes it better or worse but at least youre probably right
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on December 09, 2022, 06:34:57 PM
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holiday 22 is up

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/holiday-2022/
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This thread triggers my consumerism so hard. My Radial Full 56mm 99A are not even down to 55mm and I have put in an order for the 97A variant. In my mind they’ll be even nicer on my "lazy day cruise to bowl / carve and do some flat ground tricks"-setup.
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not sure if this makes it better or worse but at least youre probably right

Haha, thanks. You def make me feel better about the impulse buy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 10, 2022, 07:11:51 PM
Do Radials have less of an issue with catching a crack and getting traintracked compared to comical side profiles? Been on Classic Fulls for most of the year and have a set of Radial 52 I got from a warranty issue but hated that about conicals.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: z_tx on December 13, 2022, 01:12:13 PM
F4 99d Radials in 52mm and 54mm skatepark of Tampa. Didn’t see these on the holiday catalog. Went ahead and picked up a few sets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 14, 2022, 08:18:37 AM
F4 99d Radials in 52mm and 54mm skatepark of Tampa. Didn’t see these on the holiday catalog. Went ahead and picked up a few sets


Well SPOTted!

I did hear the 99s in the original blue graphic was coming out again in 52, 54 and 56 mm sizes, but I see on the SPOT site that they are a reverse colour, like the new 97 duro wheels.  Curious when you get them if they are the background blue with silver logo or background more plain with blue logo.

Not that it matters in the slightest, given I usually take the graphic off anyway, but at least they are out there again, the 54mm size especially.

Examples:


https://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


(https://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/radials-wheels.png)



https://skateparkoftampa.com/product/68495/Spitfire_Natural_Blue_Formula_Four_99D_Radial_Shaped_Wheels/&CID=10444


(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/10444_68495.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 14, 2022, 08:28:44 AM
.

To add to the Radial info (but also make it a separate post):


It might have something to do with the wheels coming up in a Google search with listings on Ali Express in the original colour, so just beware of those ones - buying from a reputable shop always helps.

The fake wheels appear to be more of a classic shape anyway, as per their other wheels that came out with various graphics and packaging for Classics, Radial Slims and normal Radials, Conical Full, etc.

Not going to link any of the fake ones here, but more than a couple of listings came up in my search just now.


@rocklobster or anyone else come across these ones?  This is a first for me anyway.


Here is a pic of the fake ones, more rounded edges:


(https://ae05.alicdn.com/kf/Hf0b6d3c94a124bc1bb18c791d7af8fb2l/Bule-Spitfire-Wheels-Skateboard-Wheels-Radials-Formula-99D-Hardness-Professional-Wheels-52mm-First-Choice-for-Skaters.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on December 14, 2022, 08:54:40 AM
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F4 99d Radials in 52mm and 54mm skatepark of Tampa. Didn’t see these on the holiday catalog. Went ahead and picked up a few sets
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Well SPOTted!

I did hear the 99s in the original blue graphic was coming out again in 52, 54 and 56 mm sizes, but I see on the SPOT site that they are a reverse colour, like the new 97 duro wheels.  Curious when you get them if they are the background blue with silver logo or background more plain with blue logo.

Not that it matters in the slightest, given I usually take the graphic off anyway, but at least they are out there again, the 54mm size especially.

Examples:


https://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


(https://spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/radials-wheels.png)



https://skateparkoftampa.com/product/68495/Spitfire_Natural_Blue_Formula_Four_99D_Radial_Shaped_Wheels/&CID=10444


(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/10444_68495.jpg)
Found the OG graphic in 99d 56mm available at Modern if anyone is interested:

https://www.modernskate.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-radial-shape-99-duro-wheel?_pos=5&_sid=a63d68040&_ss=r
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sionarancsle on December 18, 2022, 01:46:07 AM
Okay so whats the basic math between 99a and 101a?

99 is softer thus better for rough ground because it rebounds more so you have more speed?

101 better for park because it grips less and on the perfect ground its faster? Also it slides better on both street and park?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 18, 2022, 03:36:22 AM
Okay so whats the basic math between 99a and 101a?

99 is softer thus better for rough ground because it rebounds more so you have more speed?

101 better for park because it grips less and on the perfect ground its faster? Also it slides better on both street and park?

Harder = faster on smooth surfaces. Higher top speed overall. Slides better.

Softer = slower on smooth surfaces, but maintains speed on rough surfaces better. Less vibration on rough surfaces too. Lower top speed overall. Slides worse, grips better.

Though the Dragons formula sort of throws a wrench in all of that imo.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on December 18, 2022, 07:52:30 AM
From my research

97- great for crust, slide well
On some surfaces, catchy on metal edged surfaces, slower at the skatepark.

99- a little slick sometimes, slide great on most surfaces, a little slower on old parks but pretty good on crust.

101- really good on old skateparks, impossible to skate on crust, longest blunt/tail/nose slides.
Super fast but unpredictable.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sionarancsle on December 18, 2022, 09:47:09 AM
so basically buy 99a for an all terain setup and thats about it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on December 18, 2022, 10:52:50 AM
Got the Radial Fulls 58mm 97a a couple days ago and they're great. I also found an interesting effect they give that might have been shared already but it doesn't hurt to share it regardless.

They will make your usable hanger space about one size less. The polished Independent is a 144 and the black Indy is a 149. Compared to a Classic 55mm.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1053832931535224902/PXL_20221217_233005538.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1053832931858190396/PXL_20221217_233046988.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1053832932109865000/PXL_20221217_233118224.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937941943080591420/1053832932365697024/PXL_20221217_233113446.jpg)

Measurements are about the same; any difference is super marginal. This is pretty cool if you have a deck that requires wider trucks, but you want a smaller hanger space without needing to size down.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 18, 2022, 11:54:22 AM
Fucking hell, those things are massive.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: greenbeans on December 18, 2022, 09:32:36 PM
random question but if one spitfire model has to disappear forever, which one?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 18, 2022, 10:17:09 PM
Fucking hell, those things are massive.

The 56mm already felt comically large to me. I can only imagine the 60mm.

random question but if one spitfire model has to disappear forever, which one?

You trying to start a war in this thread? Lol. I'll bite.

Lock-ins: just skate tablets instead (in theory I'm a fan of these, but the asymmetry sucks once your wheels need to be rotated due to coning)

Radial slim: just skate classics instead (I know these have massive fans, so not these... But radial slim fans, I'm going to need you to explain why you like these better)

Radial full: selfishly because they're too big for me to put on a standard setup (but they make perfect sense for 95-97a cruiser wheels).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on December 18, 2022, 10:49:28 PM
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Fucking hell, those things are massive.
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The 56mm already felt comically large to me. I can only imagine the 60mm.

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random question but if one spitfire model has to disappear forever, which one?
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You trying to start a war in this thread? Lol. I'll bite.

Lock-ins: just skate tablets instead (in theory I'm a fan of these, but the asymmetry sucks once your wheels need to be rotated due to coning)

Radial slim: just skate classics instead (I know these have massive fans, so not these... But radial slim fans, I'm going to need you to explain why you like these better)

Radial full: selfishly because they're too big for me to put on a standard setup (but they make perfect sense for 95-97a cruiser wheels).

Radial slims have a wider riding surface out the gate than classics, and also lock in better. It’s one of the best shapes.

I’d probably ditch tablets, they’re so uncomfortably square you get train tracked so hard rolling parallel to cracks and don’t really lock in much better than say a radial slim and drag more. Maybe if you need absolute slimness with max riding surface when new but I’m definitely not a fan.

Or radial fulls seriously how is a conical full not cutting it for you? Shits like dumbbells on the ends of your axles
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 19, 2022, 01:49:28 AM
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Fucking hell, those things are massive.
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The 56mm already felt comically large to me. I can only imagine the 60mm.

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random question but if one spitfire model has to disappear forever, which one?
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You trying to start a war in this thread? Lol. I'll bite.

Lock-ins: just skate tablets instead (in theory I'm a fan of these, but the asymmetry sucks once your wheels need to be rotated due to coning)

Radial slim: just skate classics instead (I know these have massive fans, so not these... But radial slim fans, I'm going to need you to explain why you like these better)

Radial full: selfishly because they're too big for me to put on a standard setup (but they make perfect sense for 95-97a cruiser wheels).
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Radial slims have a wider riding surface out the gate than classics, and also lock in better. It’s one of the best shapes.

I’d probably ditch tablets, they’re so uncomfortably square you get train tracked so hard rolling parallel to cracks and don’t really lock in much better than say a radial slim and drag more. Maybe if you need absolute slimness with max riding surface when new but I’m definitely not a fan.

Or radial fulls seriously how is a conical full not cutting it for you? Shits like dumbbells on the ends of your axles

I'm with this guy, Radial Slims are the tits.

Tablet shapes were a fun experiment and are too specific in their use cases. Bones' current catalog only has 1 V2 graphic (and 1 V1), lots of V5. Are there any other brands that do a flat side profile wheel? Ricta used to do them on some Naturals.

Radial Full or Classic Full - Pick 1, think they are way to similar in shape. I took out the calipers and measured the SML 53/54mm OG shape (classic), the dimensions are closer to a Classic Full than Classic. Only their 52mm is similar to the Spitfire Classic.
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Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 19, 2022, 03:19:38 AM
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The one to go:

Tablet - too minimal in use and as said, squared edges catch on everything, but I do get why some people like them, being the thinnest wheel in the catalog.

OR in close second

Lock ins - sure it is a tablet on one side and a conical full on the other, so you can switch them up and use one side out or the other at different times if you are really keen, but they are just a bit of a stretch when compared to the other good wheels.


As for others to keep and why:

Radial slims - definitely see a use for these for a lot of people who wanted a thinner wheel but not quite the Classic profile.

Radial - a little wider and a little more contact for a good all rounder, but still not as wide as some.

Classic Full - my favourite wheel, because I like a bit of a wider Classic wheel, but also because I prefer a wider contact patch right from go, from 54mm to 56mm for most things nowdays, but also 58mm for some bigger board stuff.

Conical Full - at first I was not a fan (and still not really in the bigger sizes) but I like these once they have worn down a bit and especially after I take the grinder to the sides to round them off a bit more = wider riding surface with rounder edges is what I like.

Classic - "the number one wheel shape in skateboarding" or to translate, the one I get when I know I want a good dependable wheel / can't decide / don't have any other options for Classic Full wheels.


Indifferent to Conical, OG Classics, Radial Full shapes - sure people have a use for them, but they are not really anything I want to skate and pretty much are a mix / mash up of other shapes I prefer.

At first I thought I should get a set of the Radial Full wheels, but when I saw them, I thought they were just too big and wide for anything I would really want to skate.  Those things are too wide even for me and I like wide wheels.


That is the ten isn't it?

Done.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on December 19, 2022, 10:15:38 AM
random question but if one spitfire model has to disappear forever, which one?

Yeah lock ins can go. I don't skate tablets and I don't fully understand them, but they're at least a unique shape and I assume some people have a use for them so I'll allow them to live.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 19, 2022, 10:32:19 AM
I’d lose lock-ins.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on December 19, 2022, 10:35:17 AM
random question but if one spitfire model has to disappear forever, which one?

Hi deluxe burner account








Lock ins - I hardly see anyone with these or ask about them, and the few people I know that skate them only got them because they couldn't get tablets
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on December 19, 2022, 10:54:56 AM
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I will say, Radial Fulls are hilariously big and it's amazing to me guys like kader and tfunk can skate on these as well as they do. It's basically like skating with ankle weights
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: big_kev_215 on December 19, 2022, 01:00:58 PM
random question but if one spitfire model has to disappear forever, which one?

Tablets all day
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 19, 2022, 01:06:58 PM
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I will say, Radial Fulls are hilariously big and it's amazing to me guys like kader and tfunk can skate on these as well as they do. It's basically like skating with ankle weights

It really does feel like that with Ace Classics. Some big ol bricks of polyurethane.

I've seen T Funk skate 60mm OG Classics, which I think would actually be lighter weight than these things. But didn't know he rode the radial fulls too.

People have said some interesting things about tablets in here, namely them getting train tracked and struggling with riding parallel to things, and generally getting caught on everything. Sounds like the opposite of radial fulls. They're so good at climbing and overcoming things parallel to them. Though I prefer the more binary stability of a more conical wheel, which do that stuff good enough without getting caught on things.

I've seen so many ledge skater/90s guys rock tablets and make them work that I've wanted to try them too, but you guys are really making a great case against them. Sounds like I'm better off skipping them. Regardless I would kill off lock-ins before tablets on the principality of having to ride them anti-lock-in to get rid of coning and then swap them back.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GoneWithTheSchwinn on December 19, 2022, 01:28:30 PM
Tablets were a change of pace back in the day, now they aren't as fun. And yes, I've eaten shit because I caught their fade.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: greenbeans on December 19, 2022, 02:37:49 PM
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Yeah lock ins can go. I don't skate tablets and I don't fully understand them, but they're at least a unique shape and I assume some people have a use for them so I'll allow them to live.

i used to ride locks in before tablets existed. now i can be flexible but i really dont care for radials
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 19, 2022, 06:02:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/BP5IoWL.jpg)

I will say, Radial Fulls are hilariously big and it's amazing to me guys like kader and tfunk can skate on these as well as they do. It's basically like skating with ankle weights

I get mini cubic vibes

(https://skatebike.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/P1030457.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 19, 2022, 06:26:23 PM
I remember hearing Tablets are the other blemish wheels and they just machine down the outside. If that's the case they should stay since they're cutting down on waste.

Frankly I can't see why Conical shapes need to exist. In what scenario is a sharply angled edge profile better than rounded? Ditch those and just have Classics, Radial Slims, Radial Fulls, maybe one other novelty shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 19, 2022, 06:40:08 PM
I remember hearing Tablets are the other blemish wheels and they just machine down the outside. If that's the case they should stay since they're cutting down on waste.

Frankly I can't see why Conical shapes need to exist. In what scenario is a sharply angled edge profile better than rounded? Ditch those and just have Classics, Radial Slims, Radial Fulls, maybe one other novelty shape.

Every brand already has a classic and conical shape so they can't lose out on that slice of the market.

Maybe just Conical Full instead of Conical, Radial Slim fulfills the role of a skinnier conical and market it as a hybrid of Classics + Conical Full.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on December 19, 2022, 08:05:09 PM
I've ridden a couple sets of regular conicals and they're good. Feels most similar to a radial slim imo. But in the larger scheme of things I do think it makes more sense to keep conical fulls around over conicals if only one could remain.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 19, 2022, 10:31:21 PM
I remember hearing Tablets are the other blemish wheels and they just machine down the outside. If that's the case they should stay since they're cutting down on waste.

Frankly I can't see why Conical shapes need to exist. In what scenario is a sharply angled edge profile better than rounded? Ditch those and just have Classics, Radial Slims, Radial Fulls, maybe one other novelty shape.

Yeah there's reasons. It changes how the wheel does certain things.

They're more "stable". They are harder to make tip/tilt, and there is a more binary (definitive yes or no) when they do tip. This makes them very "predictable" when skating.

That stable flatness also makes them better for power-sliding IMO. You can really dig in your heels at speed and not worry about tipping on that radial edge.

They also lock-in more securely, which also gives them more "predictability" in that regard too.

They also do flip tricks differently. I would argue they flip worse (again, more stable) but some people like how they flip more than rounded. While more rounded/teardrop wheels have a smooth easy flip, conical wheels have a bit more of a delayed "snapped" flip off of that more "binary" edge.

On top of all of this, if they are cut deep enough, they are more lightweight than rounded wheels. Conical wheels are typically more cut out on the sides, while radial wheels tend to have more convex volume outside of the ride surface (hence higher weight:width ratio).

They're definitely worse in other ways... but overall I feel more in my comfort zone with conical wheels. I feel more in control and confident due to the above differences.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on December 20, 2022, 04:38:31 AM
I really like the regular Conical wheels. That cut sides are great for grinds I feel. If we could regularly get 99a Radial Slims, that would be great.

Radials, OG Classics and Lock-Ins feel a bit too clunky for me personally but i haven't tried Conical Fulls yet.

Tablets look rad, but they don't work for me and I find they drag a bit on grinds. I could do without them.

Classics feel a bit too round when new, but they are nice when they are worn down 2mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on December 20, 2022, 05:13:27 AM
I learned front crooks on tablets so I'll always love them.
Ultra locked in. And I also love the way flip tricks feel with them, feels like an inbetween of a wide wheel and a v3 shape I'd say
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gene_Harrogate on December 20, 2022, 06:14:24 AM
I'd have to join those saying lock-ins.  As they are the two sides don't differ enough to justify them.  Maybe a more rounded shape like radial on one side would give them more purpose.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 20, 2022, 07:39:03 AM
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I remember hearing Tablets are the other blemish wheels and they just machine down the outside. If that's the case they should stay since they're cutting down on waste.

Frankly I can't see why Conical shapes need to exist. In what scenario is a sharply angled edge profile better than rounded? Ditch those and just have Classics, Radial Slims, Radial Fulls, maybe one other novelty shape.
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Yeah there's reasons. It changes how the wheel does certain things.

They're more "stable". They are harder to make tip/tilt, and there is a more binary (definitive yes or no) when they do tip. This makes them very "predictable" when skating.

That stable flatness also makes them better for power-sliding IMO. You can really dig in your heels at speed and not worry about tipping on that radial edge.

They also lock-in more securely, which also gives them more "predictability" in that regard too.

They also do flip tricks differently. I would argue they flip worse (again, more stable) but some people like how they flip more than rounded. While more rounded/teardrop wheels have a smooth easy flip, conical wheels have a bit more of a delayed "snapped" flip off of that more "binary" edge.

On top of all of this, if they are cut deep enough, they are more lightweight than rounded wheels. Conical wheels are typically more cut out on the sides, while radial wheels tend to have more convex volume outside of the ride surface (hence higher weight:width ratio).

They're definitely worse in other ways... but overall I feel more in my comfort zone with conical wheels. I feel more in control and confident due to the above differences.

Let me be clear I meant specifically an angled sidewall vs a rounded one. I don't think it specifically does any of the things you note to a degree that actually matters. It seems pros just ride Classics when they want a narrow wheel and Conical Fulls when they want a wide one. A rounded sidewall won't train track as much and on some micro level that doesn't matter will lock in on crooks and similar grinds easier. The rest is some anal retentive Slap neurosis to justify our micro madness. When I watch pros talk about setups and refer to conicals locking in better they're always on wider trucks and I have wondered if where the ledge sits on say a 151 and Conical Fulls would be exactly where it sits on a 149 and Classics or something.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on December 20, 2022, 07:46:21 AM
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Yo what?! 50mm conical fulls? That sounds great. Thanks for the heads up.

* I currently have some 50mm classics on Indy 159s and that looks a bit ridiculous ^^
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I wanted some early 90s energy on my Huffer, and I had a set of 50mm Classics, but I hear you on the tiny Classics looking funny on wide trucks, so I just snagged the 50mm/101A Conical Fulls. Here’s the look with AF1 60s.
(https://i.ibb.co/Vg63Nw3/F2-B3-D8-A4-FD26-45-A2-A402-6-C473-B4759-FC.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Vg63Nw3)
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This is reminding me of all the EMB raw footage I've seen on YouTube of Mike Carrol and friends.

You've got to skate a ledge and barely grind in honor of them. Maybe dance between a crook and a nose slide.

Not sure how they were able to skate bricks with such small wheels.

When I was a kid growing up in the Bay I was fascinated by setups from that era and that whole scene. A local shop ordered me all the videos with that EMB footage (no clue where they got Questionable from in 2001) and somehow got me some 40mm wheels from around that era. The shape was really similar to a slimmer Radial Full with a more gentle arc to the sidewall. Got me a football shaped blank from somewhere and I paired it with Venture Lo Featherlights and it was comically easy to inward heel on.

Anyways, long story short I'd watch how much they push in that footage. Usually 3-4 pushes between tricks and by the time they pop they're going way slower. What's insane from that era is how much faster Daewon skated in general than most people.

The original EMB ledges were quite rough too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 20, 2022, 09:50:53 AM
I really like the regular Conical wheels. That cut sides are great for grinds I feel. If we could regularly get 99a Radial Slims, that would be great.

Radials, OG Classics and Lock-Ins feel a bit too clunky for me personally but i haven't tried Conical Fulls yet.

Tablets look rad, but they don't work for me and I find they drag a bit on grinds. I could do without them.

Classics feel a bit too round when new, but they are nice when they are worn down 2mm.

All of this; I honestly feel like I could have written that. Twinsies!

99a Conicals have become my staple spit with the lack of Radial Slims in 99a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YMCMB on December 20, 2022, 10:32:35 AM
I learned front crooks on tablets so I'll always love them.
Ultra locked in. And I also love the way flip tricks feel with them, feels like an inbetween of a wide wheel and a v3 shape I'd say
Tablets should be kept, lock ins can go.
Why have a wheel you can't benefit from rotating?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on December 20, 2022, 10:44:16 AM
Tablets are (for the) sick because you have max riding surface per wheel width ratio. Although OG classic do that also but with more of a sidecut to reduce weight and friction (nothing I notice). In some sizes there is very little difference between OG classic and  tablet dimensions.

Classics have a beautiful radius whereby as they wear down they the proportion to which theyriding surface increases is just beautiful to look at and use.

All to say I like Classics for the way they wear and OG classics for max use of wheel width, durability, and smashing crust.

the F4 99a is far superior to any other duro.

If I could only have one wheel for the rest of my life it would be a 55mm Classic wide 99a F4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on December 20, 2022, 12:11:30 PM
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I learned front crooks on tablets so I'll always love them.
Ultra locked in. And I also love the way flip tricks feel with them, feels like an inbetween of a wide wheel and a v3 shape I'd say
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Tablets should be kept, lock ins can go.
Why have a wheel you can't benefit from rotating?

Who has EVER rotated their fucking lock ins for a spot??? PRESENT THEM TO ME
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on December 20, 2022, 12:29:26 PM
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I really like the regular Conical wheels. That cut sides are great for grinds I feel. If we could regularly get 99a Radial Slims, that would be great.

Radials, OG Classics and Lock-Ins feel a bit too clunky for me personally but i haven't tried Conical Fulls yet.

Tablets look rad, but they don't work for me and I find they drag a bit on grinds. I could do without them.

Classics feel a bit too round when new, but they are nice when they are worn down 2mm.
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All of this; I honestly feel like I could have written that. Twinsies!

99a Conicals have become my staple spit with the lack of Radial Slims in 99a.

I am glad to hear that. I swear by the 52mm 99a Conicals. Even the colors are awesome. Have you had experiences with Conical Fulls in 52mm? I think that would be the next wheel to try for me, then i had them all at some point.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on December 20, 2022, 01:45:59 PM
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I really like the regular Conical wheels. That cut sides are great for grinds I feel. If we could regularly get 99a Radial Slims, that would be great.

Radials, OG Classics and Lock-Ins feel a bit too clunky for me personally but i haven't tried Conical Fulls yet.

Tablets look rad, but they don't work for me and I find they drag a bit on grinds. I could do without them.

Classics feel a bit too round when new, but they are nice when they are worn down 2mm.
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All of this; I honestly feel like I could have written that. Twinsies!

99a Conicals have become my staple spit with the lack of Radial Slims in 99a.
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I am glad to hear that. I swear by the 52mm 99a Conicals. Even the colors are awesome. Have you had experiences with Conical Fulls in 52mm? I think that would be the next wheel to try for me, then i had them all at some point.

52mm 99 conicals are the perfect wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: greenbeans on December 20, 2022, 03:17:54 PM
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Fucking hell, those things are massive.
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The 56mm already felt comically large to me. I can only imagine the 60mm.

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You trying to start a war in this thread? Lol. I'll bite.

Lock-ins: just skate tablets instead (in theory I'm a fan of these, but the asymmetry sucks once your wheels need to be rotated due to coning)

Radial slim: just skate classics instead (I know these have massive fans, so not these... But radial slim fans, I'm going to need you to explain why you like these better)

Radial full: selfishly because they're too big for me to put on a standard setup (but they make perfect sense for 95-97a cruiser wheels).

haha not starting anything bad
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 20, 2022, 04:03:35 PM
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I learned front crooks on tablets so I'll always love them.
Ultra locked in. And I also love the way flip tricks feel with them, feels like an inbetween of a wide wheel and a v3 shape I'd say
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Tablets should be kept, lock ins can go.
Why have a wheel you can't benefit from rotating?
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Who has EVER rotated their fucking lock ins for a spot??? PRESENT THEM TO ME


I forget who it was - some spono am dude who had lock ins and skated street (fifty on a big rail) in one clip with them the "normal" way, then had them turned around with the conical full side in when he skated transition in another clip, which makes sense as they would have way better coping contact.

The fact that he even said in reply comments that he turned them around for that made perfect sense - lock in on the street rail, then not so grippy on the coping or something.

Makes me want to go looking now, but I doubt I would find it.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 20, 2022, 04:55:52 PM
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Fucking hell, those things are massive.
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The 56mm already felt comically large to me. I can only imagine the 60mm.

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Radial slim: just skate classics instead (I know these have massive fans, so not these... But radial slim fans, I'm going to need you to explain why you like these better)



@FuzzGNU

Radial slim vs Classics

Overall wheel width, Radial slims are slimmer than classics of the same MM (just wider contact patch)
Radial slim have both a rounded lip (getting in/on/out of curbs/coping) and a straight cut profile (locking into ledges/rails).

I find that I roll out of certain grinds much too easily on classics, plus, personally, the rounded golf ball look doesn't appeal to me (EXCEPT when paired with ACEs, I don't know why but that combo is *chefs kiss*; I'm also not a fan of hesh wheels (anything past regular conical seems useless to me, starting from Radials and moving into the fulls).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 21, 2022, 08:03:18 AM
if you were to get one spitfire shape in 53mm what would it be?
personally id go with the og classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on December 21, 2022, 09:28:30 AM
if you were to get one spitfire shape in 53mm what would it be?
personally id go with the og classics

Radial Slims or Conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on December 21, 2022, 10:07:35 AM
As a general rule, IMHO, the three most critical/crucial Spitfire wheels are Classics, Radial Slims, and Conicals, with the Radials being a great half-way point between Classics and Conicals. It blows my mind that Spitfire has had such minimal production of the Radial slims in recent times. Serious ball drop. Those things should be in constant production.

As to what to ditch...yeah, lock-ins, mostly because they are not reversible. Moreover, if you want a decent lock-in, go for conicals. Beyond that, Tablets and OG Classics wouldn't be missed by me. The Radial Fulls are...laughable. Full Connies...I can't understand those things for anything other big transition where'd you what some decent traction/big contact patch.

Classics. Radial Slims. Conicals. DLX, focus your production powers there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 21, 2022, 10:21:20 AM
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if you were to get one spitfire shape in 53mm what would it be?
personally id go with the og classics
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Radial Slims or Conicals

As a general rule, IMHO, the three most critical/crucial Spitfire wheels are Classics, Radial Slims, and Conicals, with the Radials being a great half-way point between Classics and Conicals. It blows my mind that Spitfire has had such minimal production of the Radial slims in recent times. Serious ball drop. Those things should be in constant production.

As to what to ditch...yeah, lock-ins, mostly because they are not reversible. Moreover, if you want a decent lock-in, go for conicals. Beyond that, Tablets and OG Classics wouldn't be missed by me. The Radial Fulls are...laughable. Full Connies...I can't understand those things for anything other big transition where'd you what some decent traction/big contact patch.

Classics. Radial Slims. Conicals. DLX, focus your production powers there.

Honestly, I think I'd add the Classic FULL to that line up, that way the Radial crowd would still have a fat wheel.

Radial slims are such an underrated wheel...wide patch, slim profile, nice lip, straight cut edge...
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Post by: munchbox on December 21, 2022, 10:35:06 AM
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personally id go with the og classics
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Radial Slims or Conicals
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As a general rule, IMHO, the three most critical/crucial Spitfire wheels are Classics, Radial Slims, and Conicals, with the Radials being a great half-way point between Classics and Conicals. It blows my mind that Spitfire has had such minimal production of the Radial slims in recent times. Serious ball drop. Those things should be in constant production.

As to what to ditch...yeah, lock-ins, mostly because they are not reversible. Moreover, if you want a decent lock-in, go for conicals. Beyond that, Tablets and OG Classics wouldn't be missed by me. The Radial Fulls are...laughable. Full Connies...I can't understand those things for anything other big transition where'd you what some decent traction/big contact patch.

Classics. Radial Slims. Conicals. DLX, focus your production powers there.
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Honestly, I think I'd add the Classic FULL to that line up, that way the Radial crowd would still have a fat wheel.

Radial slims are such an underrated wheel...wide patch, slim profile, nice lip, straight cut edge...
to both of you, why conicals over og classics?
@53mm the only difference is 2mm in contact patch
at first glance at least
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on December 21, 2022, 10:38:27 AM
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personally id go with the og classics
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As a general rule, IMHO, the three most critical/crucial Spitfire wheels are Classics, Radial Slims, and Conicals, with the Radials being a great half-way point between Classics and Conicals. It blows my mind that Spitfire has had such minimal production of the Radial slims in recent times. Serious ball drop. Those things should be in constant production.

As to what to ditch...yeah, lock-ins, mostly because they are not reversible. Moreover, if you want a decent lock-in, go for conicals. Beyond that, Tablets and OG Classics wouldn't be missed by me. The Radial Fulls are...laughable. Full Connies...I can't understand those things for anything other big transition where'd you what some decent traction/big contact patch.

Classics. Radial Slims. Conicals. DLX, focus your production powers there.
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Honestly, I think I'd add the Classic FULL to that line up, that way the Radial crowd would still have a fat wheel.

Radial slims are such an underrated wheel...wide patch, slim profile, nice lip, straight cut edge...

Rad Slim: Possibly the most underrated wheel in skate history. Generally, I ride Classics, but that is because I know I can always get them. If Rad Slims were available, on the regular, they would probably be my go-to.

Classic Full: Great wheel...but those are even more of an ancient myth now than Rad Slims are.
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Post by: Xen on December 21, 2022, 12:52:13 PM
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personally id go with the og classics
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As a general rule, IMHO, the three most critical/crucial Spitfire wheels are Classics, Radial Slims, and Conicals, with the Radials being a great half-way point between Classics and Conicals. It blows my mind that Spitfire has had such minimal production of the Radial slims in recent times. Serious ball drop. Those things should be in constant production.

As to what to ditch...yeah, lock-ins, mostly because they are not reversible. Moreover, if you want a decent lock-in, go for conicals. Beyond that, Tablets and OG Classics wouldn't be missed by me. The Radial Fulls are...laughable. Full Connies...I can't understand those things for anything other big transition where'd you what some decent traction/big contact patch.

Classics. Radial Slims. Conicals. DLX, focus your production powers there.
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Honestly, I think I'd add the Classic FULL to that line up, that way the Radial crowd would still have a fat wheel.

Radial slims are such an underrated wheel...wide patch, slim profile, nice lip, straight cut edge...
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Rad Slim: Possibly the most underrated wheel in skate history. Generally, I ride Classics, but that is because I know I can always get them. If Rad Slims were available, on the regular, they would probably be my go-to.

Classic Full: Great wheel...but those are even more of an ancient myth now than Rad Slims are.
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As a general rule, IMHO, the three most critical/crucial Spitfire wheels are Classics, Radial Slims, and Conicals, with the Radials being a great half-way point between Classics and Conicals. It blows my mind that Spitfire has had such minimal production of the Radial slims in recent times. Serious ball drop. Those things should be in constant production.

As to what to ditch...yeah, lock-ins, mostly because they are not reversible. Moreover, if you want a decent lock-in, go for conicals. Beyond that, Tablets and OG Classics wouldn't be missed by me. The Radial Fulls are...laughable. Full Connies...I can't understand those things for anything other big transition where'd you what some decent traction/big contact patch.

Classics. Radial Slims. Conicals. DLX, focus your production powers there.
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Honestly, I think I'd add the Classic FULL to that line up, that way the Radial crowd would still have a fat wheel.

Radial slims are such an underrated wheel...wide patch, slim profile, nice lip, straight cut edge...
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to both of you, why conicals over og classics?
@53mm the only difference is 2mm in contact patch
at first glance at least

OGs / Tablets are damn near the same; I'd be hard pressed to come up with a reason to pick one over the other.

Conical for their lip by comparison to the other two.

DLX must know what they're doing, as they're only going to pour what sells through/re-ordered right?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 21, 2022, 01:19:30 PM
@Xen

I don't know. I think most skaters probably don't really know or care about shape. Just what they look like and the diameter.

Most skate shops I've been to stock classics, conical full, tablets, and bigheads. So that's what people skate.

Its probably not super easy to understand how demanded all the different shapes are due to that.

It would be interesting if they sold some of the more obscure shapes in MassDrop style batches direct to consumer. I'm sure they would figure out really quickly which obscure shapes are popular or not.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on December 21, 2022, 01:31:33 PM
Also, +1 for the Classic Slim =D

(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/3_73413.jpg)
(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-wheels-reynolds-street-sweepers-99du-classic-slims-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p27595-67845_image.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 21, 2022, 08:25:07 PM
Also, +1 for the Classic Slim =D

(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/3_73413.jpg)
(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-wheels-reynolds-street-sweepers-99du-classic-slims-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p27595-67845_image.jpg)

Classic Slims are the skinny technical wheel Spitfire is lacking, but I understand why they skip over a skinny wheel given how unpopular they are. Satori does some comically skinny ones (Vinyl cut) and Bones V3, but that's it.

if you were to get one spitfire shape in 53mm what would it be?
personally id go with the og classics

Radial Slim - 53mm, 99a, shit would be perfect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: greenbeans on December 23, 2022, 02:37:38 PM
Also, +1 for the Classic Slim =D

(https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/productimages/colors/3_73413.jpg)
(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-wheels-reynolds-street-sweepers-99du-classic-slims-formula-four-skateboard-wheels-52mm-p27595-67845_image.jpg)

also another +1 cuz thats the boss
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on December 24, 2022, 03:31:39 AM
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if you were to get one spitfire shape in 53mm what would it be?
personally id go with the og classics
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Radial Slims or Conicals
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As a general rule, IMHO, the three most critical/crucial Spitfire wheels are Classics, Radial Slims, and Conicals, with the Radials being a great half-way point between Classics and Conicals. It blows my mind that Spitfire has had such minimal production of the Radial slims in recent times. Serious ball drop. Those things should be in constant production.

As to what to ditch...yeah, lock-ins, mostly because they are not reversible. Moreover, if you want a decent lock-in, go for conicals. Beyond that, Tablets and OG Classics wouldn't be missed by me. The Radial Fulls are...laughable. Full Connies...I can't understand those things for anything other big transition where'd you what some decent traction/big contact patch.

Classics. Radial Slims. Conicals. DLX, focus your production powers there.
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Honestly, I think I'd add the Classic FULL to that line up, that way the Radial crowd would still have a fat wheel.

Radial slims are such an underrated wheel...wide patch, slim profile, nice lip, straight cut edge...
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to both of you, why conicals over og classics?
@53mm the only difference is 2mm in contact patch
at first glance at least

I prefer the Conicals because of that little tiny bit more roundness on the edges. They lock in really great on ledges/coping AND feel good for my remaining flip tricks. OG Classics feel a bit more straight cut at the edges and for some reason a little bit more heavy and clunky.

Conicals are like the perfect mix between Regular Classics and Tablets I feel.

But that's all just only my opinion.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on December 24, 2022, 11:07:11 AM
Seems like more and more shops carrying Lil Smokies for between $20 and $30 if you do some googling... Def worth trying for that price for all your Nineties Needs.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on December 24, 2022, 03:10:29 PM
Seems like more and more shops carrying Lil Smokies for between $20 and $30 if you do some googling... Def worth trying for that price for all your Nineties Needs.

does it really make a difference in speed when you are skating on smooth ground? like for example I skate 55+ mm, but if i were to get 50mm smokies and skate a ledge in a tennis court, would it really feel slower compared to skating 55+ on same terrain/obstacle?

Id love to have a 8.25/149 thunder/50mm court setup one day
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Easy Slider on December 24, 2022, 03:15:44 PM
On smooth ground small wheels are just as fast as big ones, I ran a set of Lil Smokies down to 44 mm and would have been happy to keep them if it wasn‘t for the crusty spots that were getting cumbersome to navigate. I run 52 mm wheels now and struggle with ghost pop since I am not used to be that high above the ground anymore.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on December 24, 2022, 03:20:40 PM
On smooth ground small wheels are just as fast as big ones, I ran a set of Lil Smokies down to 44 mm and would have been happy to keep them if it wasn‘t for the crusty spots that were getting cumbersome to navigate. I run 52 mm wheels now and struggle with ghost pop since I am not used to be that high above the ground anymore.

Thanks for the info, will look into it in the future.

I got over my ghost pop frustration slump by skating the same truck/wheel setup consistently; I found if i stuck to a pair of trucks and wheels for an entire year or so I dont have that problem at all anymore (unless im tired). Idk tho
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on December 24, 2022, 07:35:41 PM
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Seems like more and more shops carrying Lil Smokies for between $20 and $30 if you do some googling... Def worth trying for that price for all your Nineties Needs.
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does it really make a difference in speed when you are skating on smooth ground? like for example I skate 55+ mm, but if i were to get 50mm smokies and skate a ledge in a tennis court, would it really feel slower compared to skating 55+ on same terrain/obstacle?

Id love to have a 8.25/149 thunder/50mm court setup one day

I definitely notice it, but it’s more that they don’t carry speed. I got frustrated with the 50mm 99A F4 Classics on my Huffer feeling slow even at the park, so I went to the 101A Lil’ Smokies. The harder wheels are better if they’re that small in my opinion, and I only use them on very nice ground.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Easy Slider on December 24, 2022, 11:16:18 PM
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On smooth ground small wheels are just as fast as big ones, I ran a set of Lil Smokies down to 44 mm and would have been happy to keep them if it wasn‘t for the crusty spots that were getting cumbersome to navigate. I run 52 mm wheels now and struggle with ghost pop since I am not used to be that high above the ground anymore.
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Thanks for the info, will look into it in the future.

I got over my ghost pop frustration slump by skating the same truck/wheel setup consistently; I found if i stuck to a pair of trucks and wheels for an entire year or so I dont have that problem at all anymore (unless im tired). Idk tho

Yes I have been changing a few parameters on my setup lately, bigger wheels, forged hollows instead of hollows, and it has completely messed up my pop. Need to settle down and adjust to it now.

However, I have planned to size down from 8.5 to 8.38 on my next set up so that will take readjusting again.

Ah, the hunt for the goldilocks set up…


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Seems like more and more shops carrying Lil Smokies for between $20 and $30 if you do some googling... Def worth trying for that price for all your Nineties Needs.
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does it really make a difference in speed when you are skating on smooth ground? like for example I skate 55+ mm, but if i were to get 50mm smokies and skate a ledge in a tennis court, would it really feel slower compared to skating 55+ on same terrain/obstacle?

Id love to have a 8.25/149 thunder/50mm court setup one day
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I definitely notice it, but it’s more that they don’t carry speed. I got frustrated with the 50mm 99A F4 Classics on my Huffer feeling slow even at the park, so I went to the 101A Lil’ Smokies. The harder wheels are better if they’re that small in my opinion, and I only use them on very nice ground.

I was surprised how long I managed to keep the Lil Smokies and also ride them in relatively rough spots. I also hadn‘t really noticed how small they had actually gotten in a few months. One day I went to a spot with very rough ground that I couldn‘t skate but a dude with Dragons let me try his board. That made me realise I was limiting my spot choice with the really small wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on December 25, 2022, 09:12:50 AM
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On smooth ground small wheels are just as fast as big ones, I ran a set of Lil Smokies down to 44 mm and would have been happy to keep them if it wasn‘t for the crusty spots that were getting cumbersome to navigate. I run 52 mm wheels now and struggle with ghost pop since I am not used to be that high above the ground anymore.
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Thanks for the info, will look into it in the future.

I got over my ghost pop frustration slump by skating the same truck/wheel setup consistently; I found if i stuck to a pair of trucks and wheels for an entire year or so I dont have that problem at all anymore (unless im tired). Idk tho
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Yes I have been changing a few parameters on my setup lately, bigger wheels, forged hollows instead of hollows, and it has completely messed up my pop. Need to settle down and adjust to it now.

However, I have planned to size down from 8.5 to 8.38 on my next set up so that will take readjusting again.

Ah, the hunt for the goldilocks set up…


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Seems like more and more shops carrying Lil Smokies for between $20 and $30 if you do some googling... Def worth trying for that price for all your Nineties Needs.
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does it really make a difference in speed when you are skating on smooth ground? like for example I skate 55+ mm, but if i were to get 50mm smokies and skate a ledge in a tennis court, would it really feel slower compared to skating 55+ on same terrain/obstacle?

Id love to have a 8.25/149 thunder/50mm court setup one day
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I definitely notice it, but it’s more that they don’t carry speed. I got frustrated with the 50mm 99A F4 Classics on my Huffer feeling slow even at the park, so I went to the 101A Lil’ Smokies. The harder wheels are better if they’re that small in my opinion, and I only use them on very nice ground.
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I was surprised how long I managed to keep the Lil Smokies and also ride them in relatively rough spots. I also hadn‘t really noticed how small they had actually gotten in a few months. One day I went to a spot with very rough ground that I couldn‘t skate but a dude with Dragons let me try his board. That made me realise I was limiting my spot choice with the really small wheels.

I’m a lifelong big wheel guy, and I’d say little wheels are slower in general, but: 1) they accelerate quicker so can actually feel faster in cramped quarters ii.  can also feel faster when ground is just slightly rough because they make it seem spicier than it is, so you feel like you’re going faster
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FuzzGNU on December 25, 2022, 09:39:33 AM
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On smooth ground small wheels are just as fast as big ones, I ran a set of Lil Smokies down to 44 mm and would have been happy to keep them if it wasn‘t for the crusty spots that were getting cumbersome to navigate. I run 52 mm wheels now and struggle with ghost pop since I am not used to be that high above the ground anymore.
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Thanks for the info, will look into it in the future.

I got over my ghost pop frustration slump by skating the same truck/wheel setup consistently; I found if i stuck to a pair of trucks and wheels for an entire year or so I dont have that problem at all anymore (unless im tired). Idk tho
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Yes I have been changing a few parameters on my setup lately, bigger wheels, forged hollows instead of hollows, and it has completely messed up my pop. Need to settle down and adjust to it now.

However, I have planned to size down from 8.5 to 8.38 on my next set up so that will take readjusting again.

Ah, the hunt for the goldilocks set up…


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Seems like more and more shops carrying Lil Smokies for between $20 and $30 if you do some googling... Def worth trying for that price for all your Nineties Needs.
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does it really make a difference in speed when you are skating on smooth ground? like for example I skate 55+ mm, but if i were to get 50mm smokies and skate a ledge in a tennis court, would it really feel slower compared to skating 55+ on same terrain/obstacle?

Id love to have a 8.25/149 thunder/50mm court setup one day
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I definitely notice it, but it’s more that they don’t carry speed. I got frustrated with the 50mm 99A F4 Classics on my Huffer feeling slow even at the park, so I went to the 101A Lil’ Smokies. The harder wheels are better if they’re that small in my opinion, and I only use them on very nice ground.
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I was surprised how long I managed to keep the Lil Smokies and also ride them in relatively rough spots. I also hadn‘t really noticed how small they had actually gotten in a few months. One day I went to a spot with very rough ground that I couldn‘t skate but a dude with Dragons let me try his board. That made me realise I was limiting my spot choice with the really small wheels.
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I’m a lifelong big wheel guy, and I’d say little wheels are slower in general, but: 1) they accelerate quicker so can actually feel faster in cramped quarters ii.  can also feel faster when ground is just slightly rough because they make it seem spicier than it is, so you feel like you’re going faster

This.

Small wheels - higher acceleration (feel fast), lower top speed, higher deceleration, rougher ride. More tech and precise with tricks.

Large wheels - slower acceleration (feel slow), higher top speed, lower deceleration, smoother ride. Clunkier tricks.

This means small wheels require less pushes/force to get up to speed for traveling short distance in preparation for a trick BUT you have to push more often and continually reapply force over longer distances. That would make small wheels not as good for "no push lines" as well due to that deceleration.

You also mention small wheels feeling faster on rough ground. That's interesting and I've never thought about that. I totally understand that, though personally I associate that feeling of rough ground with deceleration.

I think you might be describing why some people think Dragons feel sluggish. They're smooth and quieter, and those feelings and sounds are associated with increased speed on hard wheels. The faster you go on a hard wheel, the louder it gets.

I think wheel width also fits into this discussion too. In theory a thinner wheel should be faster, while a wider wheel is more stable and smooth. Obviously thin wheel is also more tech, while wide wheel is clunkier.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on December 25, 2022, 10:00:28 AM
I dabble with Lil Smokies on 90s inspired set ups on smooth flat and curbs only. They've helped me (re)learn some flip tricks but I am not paying premium price for them and they will likely only last me one deck.

Anything below 52mm is a novelty for that purpose only for me. I'm typically on 54mms and 58mms for big bowls.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on December 25, 2022, 12:05:11 PM
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On smooth ground small wheels are just as fast as big ones, I ran a set of Lil Smokies down to 44 mm and would have been happy to keep them if it wasn‘t for the crusty spots that were getting cumbersome to navigate. I run 52 mm wheels now and struggle with ghost pop since I am not used to be that high above the ground anymore.
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Thanks for the info, will look into it in the future.

I got over my ghost pop frustration slump by skating the same truck/wheel setup consistently; I found if i stuck to a pair of trucks and wheels for an entire year or so I dont have that problem at all anymore (unless im tired). Idk tho
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Yes I have been changing a few parameters on my setup lately, bigger wheels, forged hollows instead of hollows, and it has completely messed up my pop. Need to settle down and adjust to it now.

However, I have planned to size down from 8.5 to 8.38 on my next set up so that will take readjusting again.

Ah, the hunt for the goldilocks set up…


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Seems like more and more shops carrying Lil Smokies for between $20 and $30 if you do some googling... Def worth trying for that price for all your Nineties Needs.
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does it really make a difference in speed when you are skating on smooth ground? like for example I skate 55+ mm, but if i were to get 50mm smokies and skate a ledge in a tennis court, would it really feel slower compared to skating 55+ on same terrain/obstacle?

Id love to have a 8.25/149 thunder/50mm court setup one day
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I definitely notice it, but it’s more that they don’t carry speed. I got frustrated with the 50mm 99A F4 Classics on my Huffer feeling slow even at the park, so I went to the 101A Lil’ Smokies. The harder wheels are better if they’re that small in my opinion, and I only use them on very nice ground.
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I was surprised how long I managed to keep the Lil Smokies and also ride them in relatively rough spots. I also hadn‘t really noticed how small they had actually gotten in a few months. One day I went to a spot with very rough ground that I couldn‘t skate but a dude with Dragons let me try his board. That made me realise I was limiting my spot choice with the really small wheels.
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I’m a lifelong big wheel guy, and I’d say little wheels are slower in general, but: 1) they accelerate quicker so can actually feel faster in cramped quarters ii.  can also feel faster when ground is just slightly rough because they make it seem spicier than it is, so you feel like you’re going faster
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This.

Small wheels - higher acceleration (feel fast), lower top speed, higher deceleration, rougher ride. More tech and precise with tricks.

Large wheels - slower acceleration (feel slow), higher top speed, lower deceleration, smoother ride. Clunkier tricks.

This means small wheels require less pushes/force to get up to speed for traveling short distance in preparation for a trick BUT you have to push more often and continually reapply force over longer distances. That would make small wheels not as good for "no push lines" as well due to that deceleration.

You also mention small wheels feeling faster on rough ground. That's interesting and I've never thought about that. I totally understand that, though personally I associate that feeling of rough ground with deceleration.

I think you might be describing why some people think Dragons feel sluggish. They're smooth and quieter, and those feelings and sounds are associated with increased speed on hard wheels. The faster you go on a hard wheel, the louder it gets.

I think wheel width also fits into this discussion too. In theory a thinner wheel should be faster, while a wider wheel is more stable and smooth. Obviously thin wheel is also more tech, while wide wheel is clunkier.

I’m talking about ground that is well short of what most would call rough-just past notably smooth. Could even be slippery in some cases, but has enough topography to make a loose setup rattle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 25, 2022, 01:34:29 PM
maybe not slower but you will need more pushes to hold speed
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on December 26, 2022, 07:18:23 AM
Got some classic 53s for Christmas that I'm pretty excited for, only ridden conical fulls before so it'll be a big change but I'm excited to give them a go.  Unfortunately the indoor park here is deadly slippery so I don't think I'm gonna get to try these out until the snow clears up
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on December 26, 2022, 08:42:23 AM
Got some classic 53s for Christmas that I'm pretty excited for, only ridden conical fulls before so it'll be a big change but I'm excited to give them a go.  Unfortunately the indoor park here is deadly slippery so I don't think I'm gonna get to try these out until the snow clears up

53 classics are close to the perfect wheel for most skating (IMHO)...except indoor parks. The smaller contact patch, plus indoor dust = super slippery.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on January 05, 2023, 06:28:10 AM
Yo! Just posted this in the wheels thread and someone suggested i post it here, so here i am.

I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on January 05, 2023, 08:45:38 AM
radials skinnier and have LESS riding surface area
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum on January 05, 2023, 09:20:53 AM
According to the Spitfire charts...

54mm Classic is 33.5mm wide with 16.5mm riding surface
54mm Radial is 34mm wide with a 20mm riding surface.

I'd say the wider riding surface of a Radial will help a little on rougher ground but I don't know if I'd consider it a true compromise between a 99 classic and a 101 classic.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Coldcut on January 05, 2023, 09:24:12 AM
I use both wheels, classics and radials.
54mm so they could easily go down a bit.

Radial has:
54   WIDTH 34   RIDING SURFACE 20

Classic:
54    WIDTH  33.5    RIDING SURFACE 16.5

Try them!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on January 05, 2023, 10:45:06 AM
radials skinnier and have LESS riding surface area


.....Nah
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 05, 2023, 01:24:57 PM
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I have both 54mm Classics and Radials in both 99 and 101 on boards.

The 99s are very consistent in the feel on everything, but the 101s are a bit more here and there in terms of slide, grip and everything else, so it is not so much that they feel harder and slide more, quite often feeling more grippy than 99s but sometimes being a little more slick when you do get into a slide.

Either way, Radial when new is a little bit more of an "all rounder" compared to Classics when new.

I like both, but I can also feel the difference - not a whole lot, but there is a difference there.


Overall I think if I could get 54mm Radials all the time, I might ride those over Classics, but they are somewhat hard to come by at times, so Classics are the easy fall back option, as I do prefer a round edge but a wider profile and riding surface.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: listentoaheartbeat on January 05, 2023, 03:10:56 PM
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Got some classic 53s for Christmas that I'm pretty excited for, only ridden conical fulls before so it'll be a big change but I'm excited to give them a go.  Unfortunately the indoor park here is deadly slippery so I don't think I'm gonna get to try these out until the snow clears up
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53 classics are close to the perfect wheel for most skating (IMHO)...except indoor parks. The smaller contact patch, plus indoor dust = super slippery.

Classics 53mm are what I ended up with on my main setup after trying a bunch of different shapes and sizes. I use the 97A ones in the winter primarily because they are perfect to counter that indoor dust. No need for bigger wheels if you can go a bit softer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 05, 2023, 06:30:29 PM
Yo! Just posted this in the wheels thread and someone suggested i post it here, so here i am.

I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Thanks in advance


Of the options, as per my initial post earlier, how readily available are Radials in 101?

I know there are black ones out right now, but as far as any normal (not coloured) options, I don't think there are any, are there?

More just thinking out loud than anything else, re availability.


As for a direct answer, yes Radials are going to feel better than Classics, as are 53mm or even 54mm Conical Full when new, just to throw that in there as well.  At least they come in both 99 and 101 in natural colour, are readily available almost anywhere, if you did want a wheel with a bit more width.


I just had a skate on a board with 56mm Classics and once they are worn down a couple of mm, they are about the same contact patch as Radials anyway (but still a slightly wider wheel) so are any of your usual 56mm Classics down in those 53-54mm sort of sizes?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on January 06, 2023, 12:47:46 PM
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Yo! Just posted this in the wheels thread and someone suggested i post it here, so here i am.

I tried some 54mm 101a F4 classics recently, I really liked them.

However, I really noticed the difference when riding less than optimal surfaces when compared to the 56mm 99a f4s *classics* that im used to.

My question is, do you guys think a 54mm 101a radial would be a good middle ground?

Would the extra riding surface help handle rougher terrain and maybe make them grippier compared to the 54mm 101 classic?

Thanks in advance
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Of the options, as per my initial post earlier, how readily available are Radials in 101?

I know there are black ones out right now, but as far as any normal (not coloured) options, I don't think there are any, are there?

More just thinking out loud than anything else, re availability.


As for a direct answer, yes Radials are going to feel better than Classics, as are 53mm or even 54mm Conical Full when new, just to throw that in there as well.  At least they come in both 99 and 101 in natural colour, are readily available almost anywhere, if you did want a wheel with a bit more width.


I just had a skate on a board with 56mm Classics and once they are worn down a couple of mm, they are about the same contact patch as Radials anyway (but still a slightly wider wheel) so are any of your usual 56mm Classics down in those 53-54mm sort of sizes?

I'm not sure how readily available 54mm 101a radials are, the guy that runs my local shop will usually just show me what his distributor has and get me whatever. I honestly just assumed i could get them

I dont have any old sets of 56 99a's laying around at the moment, mine are fairly new on my current setup, could def just run them down a bit to see what a 54mm 99a radial would be like. I used to ride the 56mm radials a lot so i have a decent idea.

BUT i never tried them in 101 which is where my dilemma is. I loved the 54mm 101 classics when the ground suited them. I was hoping that maybe a wider 101 with more riding surface would help to make more ground suitable for 101s.

edit: after a quick search, it def looks like youre right about the limited availability. and i cant do black wheels, im not punk rock enough for that. Looks like im staying on the trusty 56mm 99a classics. always available, work in most situations.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on January 18, 2023, 09:48:39 AM
New Ishod wheels announced on Spit's IG
https://www.instagram.com/p/CnkIjP2pZvW/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CnkIjP2pZvW/)
53 & 55mm F4's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JimmyFive on January 25, 2023, 02:46:14 AM
What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on January 25, 2023, 05:35:41 AM
What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too

i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

Stock up fellas
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on January 25, 2023, 06:36:44 AM
ohhh i thought radials were the slim ones but i am thinking actually Radial Slims. radials are actually the same width as the conical fulls, i thought they were skinnier but they just have a more aggressive cut. that does actually seem like a pretty good wheel. idk i just love the conical full that is perfect wheel for me. the radials and classics both seem like they would work for me if no conical fulls were available(i imagine i have rode these shapes in Bones and OJ / maybe even currently riding them on my other setups) but why even bother switching when this is the exact thing i like the best.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: radcunt on January 25, 2023, 06:53:35 AM
Just got some 54 classics in 99a. Smallest wheel I’ve had in years, but was shocked at the skinny riding surface. Will see how we go, [size=78%]setting up my first Popsicle in over 10 years. [/size]
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on January 25, 2023, 07:03:59 AM
classics look kinda like donuts
i just cant stand tall skinny, i like the way chunky looks. i was all about that tablet shape for like 10 years becuase i was only skating perfect skatepark plazas and skating in completely straight lines. they work amazing for that type of skating. i never see people rocking them anymore. maybe tre williams
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: disclosed on January 25, 2023, 07:55:28 AM
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What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too
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i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

Stock up fellas

at my local the prices of the new arrived ones are are sometimes even 75euro. thats just fucked up.

i should be getting some new wheels soon. thinking of trying some classics since all i skate are curbs these days and i only got the most square wheels they offer right now. Tablets and OG classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 25, 2023, 08:15:47 AM
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What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too
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i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

Stock up fellas
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at my local the prices of the new arrived ones are are sometimes even 75euro. thats just fucked up.

i should be getting some new wheels soon. thinking of trying some classics since all i skate are curbs these days and i only got the most square wheels they offer right now. Tablets and OG classics.


Re OG Classics, especially the 58 and 60mm sizes - I didn't see replies earlier but somewhere back in this thread (or another one) people had asked DLX and the response was they will make more in the first quarter of 2023, so should be available again just before mid year.

I would rather quote the person, so if anyone finds it, or was that person, please repost the answer again.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 25, 2023, 08:38:31 AM
Love my GT OG classics 53mm, my local here in CZ still have them on sale
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on January 25, 2023, 11:28:46 AM
Love my GT OG classics 53mm, my local here in CZ still have them on sale

53mm at your grown age *giggles*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 25, 2023, 12:01:03 PM
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Love my GT OG classics 53mm, my local here in CZ still have them on sale
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53mm at your grown age *giggles*

What's the age limit on what size wheels? Please respond very quickly as I have some 50mm and 60mms set up right now and I am deep into middle age with very little time to spare.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on January 25, 2023, 12:19:19 PM
Really wish 53mm Rad Slims became a regular thing again...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JimmyFive on January 25, 2023, 09:20:40 PM
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What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too
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i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

Stock up fellas
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at my local the prices of the new arrived ones are are sometimes even 75euro. thats just fucked up.

i should be getting some new wheels soon. thinking of trying some classics since all i skate are curbs these days and i only got the most square wheels they offer right now. Tablets and OG classics.
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Re OG Classics, especially the 58 and 60mm sizes - I didn't see replies earlier but somewhere back in this thread (or another one) people had asked DLX and the response was they will make more in the first quarter of 2023, so should be available again just before mid year.

I would rather quote the person, so if anyone finds it, or was that person, please repost the answer again.

Thanks.

Sweet, I hope so! Thanks for the heads up! Till then I'll be on conical full/conical
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on January 26, 2023, 01:19:47 AM
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What's happened to the F4 OG Classic's? Have they been discontinued? I would love to find a set, 58mm for mainly transition. Live in NZ. Some products don't make it all the way down here... They look like a great medium between conical full and classic. Graphics look sick too
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i really like them but yeah they seem discontinued unfortunately
nowhere to be found in Sprind D1 & D2 catalogs, Summer D1 catalog neither
I'll check the dims later but lock-Ins Full are coming (Summer Drop) and might be a good alternative
I'll miss the swirl on those OG Classics
Here in France, new stock prices are now 65€ and will be 70€ on next drop...  :-\

Stock up fellas
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at my local the prices of the new arrived ones are are sometimes even 75euro. thats just fucked up.

i should be getting some new wheels soon. thinking of trying some classics since all i skate are curbs these days and i only got the most square wheels they offer right now. Tablets and OG classics.
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Re OG Classics, especially the 58 and 60mm sizes - I didn't see replies earlier but somewhere back in this thread (or another one) people had asked DLX and the response was they will make more in the first quarter of 2023, so should be available again just before mid year.

I would rather quote the person, so if anyone finds it, or was that person, please repost the answer again.

Thanks.
there is hope
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on January 26, 2023, 03:37:56 AM
What is like the smallest wheel with the widest riding surface? Something like a Radial in 50mm would be hella cool I think.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on January 26, 2023, 06:48:27 AM
What is like the smallest wheel with the widest riding surface? Something like a Radial in 50mm would be hella cool I think.
OG Classics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on January 26, 2023, 08:05:53 AM
What is like the smallest wheel with the widest riding surface? Something like a Radial in 50mm would be hella cool I think.
Lil Smokies are available in Concial Full 50mm
https://www.studioskatesupply.com/f4-99-lil-smokies-conical-full-50mm-wheels.html
(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/603339/files/51701284/spitfire-f4-99-lil-smokies-conical-full-50mm-wheel.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jacob DeGrosso on January 26, 2023, 10:51:22 AM
Would love to see an OG classic release in 97a. 58s in 97 might be the perfect wheel for crusty town romps.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 26, 2023, 01:20:54 PM
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What is like the smallest wheel with the widest riding surface? Something like a Radial in 50mm would be hella cool I think.
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Lil Smokies are available in Concial Full 50mm
https://www.studioskatesupply.com/f4-99-lil-smokies-conical-full-50mm-wheels.html
(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/603339/files/51701284/spitfire-f4-99-lil-smokies-conical-full-50mm-wheel.jpg)

Lil Smokies seem way better in a 101 than a 99 to me. I think when you start going 50mm and under its better to go hard.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 26, 2023, 03:35:37 PM
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OG Classics


That was funny, because I thought "Surely not as the OG Classic is not as wide as some wheels" but as per the chart, yes the 52mm is 21.5mm in contact, so you are correct.

Just funny cause to look at them in person, they are not as wide as the Conical Full but have way less rounding on the edges.


As to the initial question, as people have said, Conical Full is being made in 50mm so if you were to get wheels that were as small as possible to start with, that might be the best option.

I like to get wheels of medium to larger size and wear them down, so even older 56mm Classics which are 35mm wide and have almost 30mm of riding surface now are good in that category, but either taking the time to wear them down or doing swaps and trades with people who prefer bigger Classics is a good way to get smaller wider wheels.

If you don't want to wait or have no one to trade with, then you are limited to whatever is available in shops from new.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 28, 2023, 04:48:06 AM
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Love my GT OG classics 53mm, my local here in CZ still have them on sale
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53mm at your grown age *giggles*
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What's the age limit on what size wheels? Please respond very quickly as I have some 50mm and 60mms set up right now and I am deep into middle age with very little time to spare.
This cracked a big laugh in here.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on January 28, 2023, 05:40:01 AM
Did spitfire stop putting the little sticker with the wheel size on? Homie just got conical full 54mm and all they have is a little sticker on the back with the barcode, wheel info, made in mexico...

Packaging and wheels look perfect otherwise
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on January 28, 2023, 06:18:16 AM
@Mbrimson88  I been skating 55 classics and they are maybe 54-53mm now. Love them. Slipped out of crooks with them and so madness made me put on some regular  conicals. My flip tricks seem to have suffered  do you think this is cause the classic rounded shape lets me roll and flick easier or is this just in my head? Is this why you prefer worn classics it’s like a rounded wheel with a wide surface ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on January 28, 2023, 07:34:21 AM
@Mbrimson88  I been skating 55 classics and they are maybe 54-53mm now. Love them. Slipped out of crooks with them and so madness made me put on some regular  conicals. My flip tricks seem to have suffered  do you think this is cause the classic rounded shape lets me roll and flick easier or is this just in my head? Is this why you prefer worn classics it’s like a rounded wheel with a wide surface ?

Worn-down Classics = radials. As to crooks, I find the curved edge of classics to be better for locking into crooks than a pointy edge like Conicals. And yes, rounded edge allows board to destabilize (e.g. flip) sooner than more squared-off wheels. This does a good job of explaining it: https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on January 28, 2023, 07:42:10 AM
Did spitfire stop putting the little sticker with the wheel size on? Homie just got conical full 54mm and all they have is a little sticker on the back with the barcode, wheel info, made in mexico...

Packaging and wheels look perfect otherwise
Those stickers easily fall off. If you check the dlx sku/barcode it should have the size at the end of the name/description, or printed on the actual wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on January 28, 2023, 10:05:50 AM
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@Mbrimson88  I been skating 55 classics and they are maybe 54-53mm now. Love them. Slipped out of crooks with them and so madness made me put on some regular  conicals. My flip tricks seem to have suffered  do you think this is cause the classic rounded shape lets me roll and flick easier or is this just in my head? Is this why you prefer worn classics it’s like a rounded wheel with a wide surface ?
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Worn-down Classics = radials. As to crooks, I find the curved edge of classics to be better for locking into crooks than a pointy edge like Conicals. And yes, rounded edge allows board to destabilize (e.g. flip) sooner than more squared-off wheels. This does a good job of explaining it: https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY

Thank you for the helpful response. That all makes a lot of sense. I’m gonna throw my classics back on. Gnarred.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on January 28, 2023, 01:54:10 PM
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@Mbrimson88  I been skating 55 classics and they are maybe 54-53mm now. Love them. Slipped out of crooks with them and so madness made me put on some regular  conicals. My flip tricks seem to have suffered  do you think this is cause the classic rounded shape lets me roll and flick easier or is this just in my head? Is this why you prefer worn classics it’s like a rounded wheel with a wide surface ?
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Worn-down Classics = radials. As to crooks, I find the curved edge of classics to be better for locking into crooks than a pointy edge like Conicals. And yes, rounded edge allows board to destabilize (e.g. flip) sooner than more squared-off wheels. This does a good job of explaining it: https://youtu.be/sbgGwTQHBtY
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Thank you for the helpful response. That all makes a lot of sense. I’m gonna throw my classics back on. Gnarred.

Glad to be of help!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 28, 2023, 02:38:56 PM
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@Mbrimson88  I been skating 55 classics and they are maybe 54-53mm now. Love them. Slipped out of crooks with them and so madness made me put on some regular  conicals. My flip tricks seem to have suffered  do you think this is cause the classic rounded shape lets me roll and flick easier or is this just in my head? Is this why you prefer worn classics it’s like a rounded wheel with a wide surface ?
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Worn-down Classics = radials. As to crooks, I find the curved edge of classics to be better for locking into crooks than a pointy edge like Conicals. And yes, rounded edge allows board to destabilize (e.g. flip) sooner than more squared-off wheels. This does a good job of explaining it:
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Thank you for the helpful response. That all makes a lot of sense. I’m gonna throw my classics back on. Gnarred.
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Glad to be of help!

Ha yeah, better than anything I could give you.

But for real, Classics once worn down a couple of mm just feel so much better, wider contact area and still more rounded sidewall feel like the best of both worlds to me.

Others say Classics slip out to easily or they can never lock into anything, so they ride Conical Full wheels, so I guess more than anything it is just down to what you are used to and how much you push into things / rely on that wheel edge to stop or keep going, etc.

Compared to any other wheel shape, Classics are still the easiest to get too, which make my choice not so hard, but I have Radials in 53 and 54 from new, as well as a lot of used Conical Full wheels from swaps that I round off the edges a bit and they are nice to ride too, mainly 54mm Conical Fulls now around 50-52mm but I still love the feeling of new 56 Classic or Classic Full wheels on park and transition more than anything - just set up some more recently and although they feel too big for smaller tech stuff, they just work for everything else.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on January 28, 2023, 02:50:35 PM
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@Mbrimson88  I been skating 55 classics and they are maybe 54-53mm now. Love them. Slipped out of crooks with them and so madness made me put on some regular  conicals. My flip tricks seem to have suffered  do you think this is cause the classic rounded shape lets me roll and flick easier or is this just in my head? Is this why you prefer worn classics it’s like a rounded wheel with a wide surface ?
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Worn-down Classics = radials. As to crooks, I find the curved edge of classics to be better for locking into crooks than a pointy edge like Conicals. And yes, rounded edge allows board to destabilize (e.g. flip) sooner than more squared-off wheels. This does a good job of explaining it:
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Thank you for the helpful response. That all makes a lot of sense. I’m gonna throw my classics back on. Gnarred.
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Glad to be of help!
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Ha yeah, better than anything I could give you.

But for real, Classics once worn down a couple of mm just feel so much better, wider contact area and still more rounded sidewall feel like the best of both worlds to me.

Others say Classics slip out to easily or they can never lock into anything, so they ride Conical Full wheels, so I guess more than anything it is just down to what you are used to and how much you push into things / rely on that wheel edge to stop or keep going, etc.

Compared to any other wheel shape, Classics are still the easiest to get too, which make my choice not so hard, but I have Radials in 53 and 54 from new, as well as a lot of used Conical Full wheels from swaps that I round off the edges a bit and they are nice to ride too, mainly 54mm Conical Fulls now around 50-52mm but I still love the feeling of new 56 Classic or Classic Full wheels on park and transition more than anything - just set up some more recently and although they feel too big for smaller tech stuff, they just work for everything else.

at that point just get the radial slims

they're slim like the classics, but out the box have a wider contact patch
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on January 28, 2023, 03:52:31 PM
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@Mbrimson88  I been skating 55 classics and they are maybe 54-53mm now. Love them. Slipped out of crooks with them and so madness made me put on some regular  conicals. My flip tricks seem to have suffered  do you think this is cause the classic rounded shape lets me roll and flick easier or is this just in my head? Is this why you prefer worn classics it’s like a rounded wheel with a wide surface ?
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Worn-down Classics = radials. As to crooks, I find the curved edge of classics to be better for locking into crooks than a pointy edge like Conicals. And yes, rounded edge allows board to destabilize (e.g. flip) sooner than more squared-off wheels. This does a good job of explaining it:
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Thank you for the helpful response. That all makes a lot of sense. I’m gonna throw my classics back on. Gnarred.
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Glad to be of help!
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Ha yeah, better than anything I could give you.

But for real, Classics once worn down a couple of mm just feel so much better, wider contact area and still more rounded sidewall feel like the best of both worlds to me.

Others say Classics slip out to easily or they can never lock into anything, so they ride Conical Full wheels, so I guess more than anything it is just down to what you are used to and how much you push into things / rely on that wheel edge to stop or keep going, etc.

Compared to any other wheel shape, Classics are still the easiest to get too, which make my choice not so hard, but I have Radials in 53 and 54 from new, as well as a lot of used Conical Full wheels from swaps that I round off the edges a bit and they are nice to ride too, mainly 54mm Conical Fulls now around 50-52mm but I still love the feeling of new 56 Classic or Classic Full wheels on park and transition more than anything - just set up some more recently and although they feel too big for smaller tech stuff, they just work for everything else.
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at that point just get the radial slims

they're slim like the classics, but out the box have a wider contact patch

Radial Slims and Classic Fulls were rad. Wish they were both regularly available again in the assorted standard sizes. Nice to dream.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 28, 2023, 04:31:22 PM

at that point just get the radial slims

they're slim like the classics, but out the box have a wider contact patch


I get that some people like the profile of Radial Slims and I have had sets, still got one set actually, but I prefer wider wheels in general, about 35mm+ wide is just right, but 34mm is ok too on the Conical Fulls, with 33 and under feeling too narrow.

Used to always ride the 57mm and 59mm bighead shapes (same as the Classic Full shape now) which are between 36 and 39mm wide, wearing some of them down to 50mm in size and rounding off the edges if they got too sharp, so from that it was a trip to see wheel nuts so clearly on some of the thinner wheels on my smaller setups.

That is my preference, but when I have set up something like lightly used 50mm Tablets, Classics or similar wheels on boards just to see what they were like, I can feel the difference and understand why people want small narrow and much lighter wheels for their normal boards.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on January 31, 2023, 05:50:54 AM
is there a huge difference in the feel of a f4 101 wheel vs a f4 99 wheel? i don't know when i'll be able to get 99s but we have some 101s in the shop and i've never had those. do they feel much worse on rough ground? the difference between the 97s and 99s was noticeable, are the 101s that much harder? and how's the slide?

this has probably been answered multiple times but tbf i don't wanna scroll through 150+ pages so maybe someone here would be able to sum it up for me. thanks :*
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on January 31, 2023, 06:15:06 AM
is there a huge difference in the feel of a f4 101 wheel vs a f4 99 wheel? i don't know when i'll be able to get 99s but we have some 101s in the shop and i've never had those. do they feel much worse on rough ground? the difference between the 97s and 99s was noticeable, are the 101s that much harder? and how's the slide?

this has probably been answered multiple times but tbf i don't wanna scroll through 150+ pages so maybe someone here would be able to sum it up for me. thanks :*

IMHO, yes. 101, noticeably faster on park/perfect type terrain, yet very chattery on rougher stuff. 99, good all purpose. Slower on smooth stuff. 97, good for crust. Slow and sticky elsewhere. There is no wheel perfect for all terrain.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FrenchSkater on January 31, 2023, 10:16:29 AM
What is the real difference between standard and formula four ?
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Post by: Sedition on January 31, 2023, 10:20:15 AM
What is the real difference between standard and formula four ?

Akin to the difference between lightning and a lightening bug. Only by F4. Repeat, only by F4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Weezil on January 31, 2023, 10:25:08 AM
standards are super white, have the tread when new, slower, don't slide as good. your classic skateboard wheel you probably remember as a kid

f4s are egg white to potato colored, no tread, I think they're faster and smoother in 99 on the same ground, slide great, amazing wheels.

also standards imo it's hard to get the bearings in and out. f4s I never had that problem.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on January 31, 2023, 10:27:35 AM
standards are super white, have the tread when new, slower, don't slide as good. your classic skateboard wheel you probably remember as a kid

f4s are egg white to potato colored, no tread, I think they're faster and smoother in 99 on the same ground, slide great, amazing wheels.

also standards imo it's hard to get the bearings in and out. f4s I never had that problem.

Forget the most important part. Regulars flat spot if you think about doing a power slide. F4s won’t flat spot, even if you try to flat spot them by doing lots of power slides.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on January 31, 2023, 10:29:45 AM
so then worn down conical full = tablets ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 31, 2023, 03:06:51 PM
so then worn down conical full = tablets ?


Tablets have a flat wall on both sides from start to finish.

Almost all other wheels have some curving, in or out from the bearing to the edge of the wheel.


Most when worn down do develop a sharper squared off edge, which for Conical Full is very pronounced and can catch more on things, which is why I like to round them off when they are worn down a bit.

I get where your line of thinking is going though.

OG Classic is another one that once worn past the slight rounded edge, goes very sharp and squared, but like Conical Full, it still cuts away down to the bearing seat.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on January 31, 2023, 03:13:25 PM
I’d say it’s worthwhile to try the standard formula if you’re curious, just know what you’re getting into. I’ve been skating 57mm bigheads for a while and I love them. They’ve worn down beautifully, big fan of the shape. Yes they flatspot, but I like the feedback you get when you’ve gotta ride out a little flatspot. There’s definitely some nostalgia involved, thats a feeling I hadn’t experienced in so long and it kinda makes me happy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 31, 2023, 03:13:56 PM
is there a huge difference in the feel of a f4 101 wheel vs a f4 99 wheel? i don't know when i'll be able to get 99s but we have some 101s in the shop and i've never had those. do they feel much worse on rough ground? the difference between the 97s and 99s was noticeable, are the 101s that much harder? and how's the slide?

this has probably been answered multiple times but tbf i don't wanna scroll through 150+ pages so maybe someone here would be able to sum it up for me. thanks :*


In general there seems like there is a stable feeling of 99s no matter how many sets I have had, but between different sets of 101, some were more grippy and some were more slippery, so I don't quite know what was going on there.

The last few sets of the 101 Formula Four wheels I have skated from various trade backs or even one set from new did feel more on the harder, slightly slipperier side, but still very little difference in one step up from 99, compared to half a dozen steps down to the 97s, if that makes sense.


Given you have access to 101s and no 99s, I would say get a set and see how you go.

Curious to hear what you think of them too, but I don't think you would be disappointed in them, compared to getting a lesser quality / brand wheel and then wishing you had set up any other Formula Four option if you could have.





IMHO, yes. 101, noticeably faster on park/perfect type terrain, yet very chattery on rougher stuff. 99, good all purpose. Slower on smooth stuff. 97, good for crust. Slow and sticky elsewhere. There is no wheel perfect for all terrain.


Meant to add, yes I agree with all this too.

Well said.

That's why I have multiple setups all pretty much the same with different wheel duros, but sometimes it can be a bit more funny more than functional.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on January 31, 2023, 03:25:06 PM
That's why I have multiple setups all pretty much the same with different wheel duros, but sometimes it can be a bit more funny more than functional.

I sort of do. I have different hardness wheels on different hangers. Depending on where I am skating, I'll just swap out the hanger (takes seconds to do). Yeah, it's kind of OCD, but I can get a smooth/fast ride on a metal mini ramp with 101s, and then head over to a crusty barrier with 97a, and get the best of both worlds. That said, the vast majority of the time I am riding with the 99s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 31, 2023, 06:32:20 PM
I’d say it’s worthwhile to try the standard formula if you’re curious, just know what you’re getting into. I’ve been skating 57mm bigheads for a while and I love them. They’ve worn down beautifully, big fan of the shape. Yes they flatspot, but I like the feedback you get when you’ve gotta ride out a little flatspot. There’s definitely some nostalgia involved, thats a feeling I hadn’t experienced in so long and it kinda makes me happy.

They aren't terrible but don't handle crust as well as the F4 99a. I'm riding SML's AG formula which is supposed to be similar to the Classic formula, very decent wheels I could ride till they got too small (50mm).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on January 31, 2023, 06:40:50 PM
Spitfire website is showing wheel sizes that aren't available this season.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/07-sf-sp23-d1-staples-lock-ins.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/08-sf-sp23-d1-staples-radials.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/09-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/10-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical-fulls.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/11-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-99.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/12-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-101.jpg)

Hoping this availability isn't permanent.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on January 31, 2023, 06:50:01 PM
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I’d say it’s worthwhile to try the standard formula if you’re curious, just know what you’re getting into. I’ve been skating 57mm bigheads for a while and I love them. They’ve worn down beautifully, big fan of the shape. Yes they flatspot, but I like the feedback you get when you’ve gotta ride out a little flatspot. There’s definitely some nostalgia involved, thats a feeling I hadn’t experienced in so long and it kinda makes me happy.
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They aren't terrible but don't handle crust as well as the F4 99a. I'm riding SML's AG formula which is supposed to be similar to the Classic formula, very decent wheels I could ride till they got too small (50mm).

Maybe it’s the bigger size, but I’m happy with how mine handle crust. I’m really long forward to trying some AG formula soon. There’s some Mike Arnold swirl wheels I’ve been eying.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 31, 2023, 07:05:42 PM
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I’d say it’s worthwhile to try the standard formula if you’re curious, just know what you’re getting into. I’ve been skating 57mm bigheads for a while and I love them. They’ve worn down beautifully, big fan of the shape. Yes they flatspot, but I like the feedback you get when you’ve gotta ride out a little flatspot. There’s definitely some nostalgia involved, thats a feeling I hadn’t experienced in so long and it kinda makes me happy.
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They aren't terrible but don't handle crust as well as the F4 99a. I'm riding SML's AG formula which is supposed to be similar to the Classic formula, very decent wheels I could ride till they got too small (50mm).
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Maybe it’s the bigger size, but I’m happy with how mine handle crust. I’m really long forward to trying some AG formula soon. There’s some Mike Arnold swirl wheels I’ve been eying.

I'm riding the 53mm OG Wide / AG formula, next set I'll try is the OG Formula, their version of the 101a much whiter like Bones
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on January 31, 2023, 07:50:12 PM
I’ve got some OGs. Grippy and they last forever. They’re what got me on my non-F4 kick to begin with. Good wheels for sure.

All this being said, I did catch myself thinking about how nice some fresh 53mm 99 classics would be the other week.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: modern life is war on January 31, 2023, 07:58:12 PM
does the og spitfire formula hold a candle to F4s or newer bones wheels at all? it's been like 15 years since i've ridden them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 31, 2023, 08:04:39 PM
does the og spitfire formula hold a candle to F4s or newer bones wheels at all? it's been like 15 years since i've ridden them.

Depends on what you are doing? Big heads are still very popular.

F4s slide better, last longer, come in more shapes, and are harder to flatspot; the exact opposite of the OG classic formula (F1)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on January 31, 2023, 08:06:52 PM
Spitfire website is showing wheel sizes that aren't available this season.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/07-sf-sp23-d1-staples-lock-ins.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/08-sf-sp23-d1-staples-radials.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/09-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/10-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical-fulls.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/11-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-99.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/12-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-101.jpg)

Hoping this availability isn't permanent.

this drop sucks for folks who skate anything above 56mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on January 31, 2023, 09:27:37 PM
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Spitfire website is showing wheel sizes that aren't available this season.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/07-sf-sp23-d1-staples-lock-ins.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/08-sf-sp23-d1-staples-radials.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/09-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/10-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical-fulls.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/11-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-99.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/12-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-101.jpg)

Hoping this availability isn't permanent.
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this drop sucks for folks who skate anything above 56mm
Most of the wheels have a 58, other than the Lock-Ins with 57 being the maximum while Classics go up to 60. The font for 58 is nearly the same color as the background.

Edit:
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/06-sf-sp23-d1-staples-97s.jpg)
I’m down to try the Radial Full shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 31, 2023, 10:57:42 PM
Spitfire website is showing wheel sizes that aren't available this season.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/07-sf-sp23-d1-staples-lock-ins.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/08-sf-sp23-d1-staples-radials.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/09-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/10-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical-fulls.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/11-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-99.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/12-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-101.jpg)

Hoping this availability isn't permanent.

The catalog makes me feel like I haven't completed enough skate side missions to unlock new graphics and wheel sizes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: modern life is war on January 31, 2023, 11:33:25 PM
I wonder if spitfire riders just aren't going above 56 very often and it's not worth it to produce them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on February 01, 2023, 08:03:00 AM
I wonder if spitfire riders just aren't going above 56 very often and it's not worth it to produce them

it's not about riders. It's about customers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on February 01, 2023, 08:32:04 AM
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Spitfire website is showing wheel sizes that aren't available this season.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/07-sf-sp23-d1-staples-lock-ins.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/08-sf-sp23-d1-staples-radials.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/09-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/10-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical-fulls.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/11-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-99.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/12-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-101.jpg)

Hoping this availability isn't permanent.
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this drop sucks for folks who skate anything above 56mm
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Most of the wheels have a 58, other than the Lock-Ins with 57 being the maximum while Classics go up to 60. The font for 58 is nearly the same color as the background.

Edit:
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/06-sf-sp23-d1-staples-97s.jpg)
I’m down to try the Radial Full shape.

58mm classics weren't included in preorder forms, the blacked out numbers mean that they're not in this drop for some reason.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Idk on February 01, 2023, 09:04:44 AM
Does no one skate 50 or 51 mm anymore??!!!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on February 01, 2023, 09:21:06 AM
Does no one skate 50 or 51 mm anymore??!!!!
50 gang here! They've been producing 50mm wheels as part of the lil smokies line (which are blemish re-grinds/pricepoints) but for some reason they don't include them in the catalog (presumably because the supply chain is unpredictable)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: notinternetfamous on February 01, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
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Does no one skate 50 or 51 mm anymore??!!!!
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50 gang here! They've been producing 50mm wheels as part of the lil smokies line (which are blemish re-grinds/pricepoints) but for some reason they don't include them in the catalog (presumably because the supply chain is unpredictable)
if i had excess cash to blow, i'd only skate 51mm tbh. for longevity purposes, it just makes more sense to ride 52-53
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FROTHY on February 01, 2023, 09:28:21 AM
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Does no one skate 50 or 51 mm anymore??!!!!
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50 gang here! They've been producing 50mm wheels as part of the lil smokies line (which are blemish re-grinds/pricepoints) but for some reason they don't include them in the catalog (presumably because the supply chain is unpredictable)
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if i had excess cash to blow, i'd only skate 51mm tbh. for longevity purposes, it just makes more sense to ride 52-53

Just bought me some 50mm smokies in the classic shape. Gonna go great on my throwback flipstick I'm putting together.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on February 01, 2023, 10:48:29 AM
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Spitfire website is showing wheel sizes that aren't available this season.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/07-sf-sp23-d1-staples-lock-ins.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/08-sf-sp23-d1-staples-radials.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/09-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/10-sf-sp23-d1-staples-conical-fulls.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/11-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-99.jpg)
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/12-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-101.jpg)

Hoping this availability isn't permanent.
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this drop sucks for folks who skate anything above 56mm
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Most of the wheels have a 58, other than the Lock-Ins with 57 being the maximum while Classics go up to 60. The font for 58 is nearly the same color as the background.

Edit:
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/06-sf-sp23-d1-staples-97s.jpg)
I’m down to try the Radial Full shape.
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58mm classics weren't included in preorder forms, the blacked out numbers mean that they're not in this drop for some reason.
Ah, good to know. I’m glad I stocked up around NYE, but may try to scoop up some of the bigger sizes for summertime, while they’re still in shops.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: modern life is war on February 01, 2023, 01:29:21 PM
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I wonder if spitfire riders just aren't going above 56 very often and it's not worth it to produce them
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it's not about riders. It's about customers

That's what I meant haha. Maybe bones just has the vert and boomer market who want 58mm+ wheels covered
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PRISON IKE on February 01, 2023, 01:48:33 PM
I went out after work to buy a set of 54mm 97 CFs (which I got) and impulse bought a set of 56mm 80HD CFs. I’ve never actually seen a set in person and they looked awesome. I’m a sucker I know.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 01, 2023, 09:28:18 PM
Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but when the spring drop came out, numerous sizes were blacked-out. Most of us assumed that meant those sizes were NOT available. Now, however, there are no blacked-out sizes on their web page--they are all white.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: richard00800 on February 01, 2023, 10:50:22 PM
I need some juicy 51mm radial slims, come on...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 02, 2023, 08:15:51 AM
I went out after work to buy a set of 54mm 97 CFs (which I got) and impulse bought a set of 56mm 80HD CFs. I’ve never actually seen a set in person and they looked awesome. I’m a sucker I know.

That's funny. I got sucked into an 80HD impulse buy recently, also. I have't tried them yet but I got the 56mm Classic fulls. They do indeed look great.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jerrygurneyscream on February 02, 2023, 08:24:30 AM
Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 02, 2023, 08:43:41 AM
Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much

What size do you like?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jerrygurneyscream on February 02, 2023, 09:08:08 AM
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Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much
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What size do you like?

Im looking for 58 ideally
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on February 02, 2023, 10:08:41 AM
Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but when the spring drop came out, numerous sizes were blacked-out. Most of us assumed that meant those sizes were NOT available. Now, however, there are no blacked-out sizes on their web page--they are all white.

Strange, I guess there was some miscommunication behind the scenes. >56mm users rejoice!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on February 02, 2023, 10:34:25 AM
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Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but when the spring drop came out, numerous sizes were blacked-out. Most of us assumed that meant those sizes were NOT available. Now, however, there are no blacked-out sizes on their web page--they are all white.
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Strange, I guess there was some miscommunication behind the scenes. >56mm users rejoice!

i work at a shop and like i said they didn’t include the blacked out sizes in the pre-order form. i really hope that they will be available because 58mm classics are my favorite wheels but we weren’t able to order those.

still most of you guys live in the states so there’s a ton of online shops that you could check out but in poland it’s been hard to find f4s over 54mm anywhere since november, and i really took my time to look for them. i had to skate pig wheels ffs. they weren’t that bad but they were no f4s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jerrygurneyscream on February 02, 2023, 11:48:47 AM
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Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much
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What size do you like?
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Im looking for 58 ideally

because of this i just looked for them and found some, same price as the usual og formula so we'll se if it was a typo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 02, 2023, 04:46:40 PM
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Not sure if anyone pointed this out yet, but when the spring drop came out, numerous sizes were blacked-out. Most of us assumed that meant those sizes were NOT available. Now, however, there are no blacked-out sizes on their web page--they are all white.
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Strange, I guess there was some miscommunication behind the scenes. >56mm users rejoice!
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i work at a shop and like i said they didn’t include the blacked out sizes in the pre-order form. i really hope that they will be available because 58mm classics are my favorite wheels but we weren’t able to order those.

still most of you guys live in the states so there’s a ton of online shops that you could check out but in poland it’s been hard to find f4s over 54mm anywhere since november, and i really took my time to look for them. i had to skate pig wheels ffs. they weren’t that bad but they were no f4s.


I get the impression we are coming up on shortages again in quite a few sizes and shapes with the Formula Four wheels, or they could be concentrating right now on only getting out the most common sizes and shapes, with a few other thrown in the mix, eg pro one off Conical Full 60mm for Austin Kanfoush or similar.

There seem like some more bigger wheels on the horizon too, but wait and see for those.


They may have had too much confusion or too many negative comments from the blacked out options, so it is easier just to post the full list of wheels with all sizes, so people can see, but not necessarily make all those shapes and sizes, with shops only getting the options of what is available, but even then, it seems like USA gets a lot more in the way of stock and options than other places like EU or AU too.

It seems like the last drop here in AU was pretty minimal, or the shops I usually see get re ups of all the usual stock just didn't get as much or any this time round.  I follow most shops here in AU as well as way too many from US and other places so it is interesting to see sometimes who posts what, with quite a few things not in catalogs still appearing on their websites or on instagram posts.


Just some observations and thoughts, not insider info or anything like that.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JimmyFive on February 02, 2023, 09:27:33 PM
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Maaaaaan need the f4 og classics to come back i dont like the normal classic shape as much
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What size do you like?
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Im looking for 58 ideally

Me too! But I'm in NZ. Good luck! If you find them let me know!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on February 03, 2023, 12:03:46 PM
wait wtf it also says 57mm and 59mm under the f4 classics. what colours would those be ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 03, 2023, 06:41:01 PM
wait wtf it also says 57mm and 59mm under the f4 classics. what colours would those be ?


I was wondering what you were talking about, but I see it now.

Looks like they accidently put those extra sizes in there when they only come in the Bighead range, not the Classic range, as the updated catalog does not have 57 and 59mm in the info pic.  Who knows, at some point they might add those extra sizes to that Classic range, so there is the full size range in one lot, keeping it more simple than having the Bighead and Classic ranges overlapping each other.

I guess on face value, don't believe everything you see or read.



https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2023/


Refresh those images below or open the catalog link above and they should come up with the correct size range for each, but looking at the saved link / pics from this thread, they come up with the other sizes still.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/11-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-99.jpg

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring23/12-sf-sp23-d1-staples-f4-101.jpg


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on February 04, 2023, 08:29:59 AM
So is pretty much the only difference between radials and conicals the cut on the inside?  Mostly just weight reduction then?  If so what is the appeal of radials?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 04, 2023, 08:38:45 AM
So is pretty much the only difference between radials and conicals the cut on the inside?  Mostly just weight reduction then?  If so what is the appeal of radials?

More like what's the appeal of conicals? Radials are "half-way" between Classics and Conicals. The curve cut allows the board to flip faster (than conicals), and lock-in to some type of grinds better (smith/feeble, etc.) because you don't have a sharp edge to contend with. Moreover, the straighter part of the Radial cut allows you to lock-in to things like 50-50s better than classics (and more like a conical). Watch that Ben De Gros link post a bit back in this thread on the differences between straight cut (conicals) and rounded (classics) wheels. A radial is right in the middle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on February 04, 2023, 08:42:41 AM
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So is pretty much the only difference between radials and conicals the cut on the inside?  Mostly just weight reduction then?  If so what is the appeal of radials?
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More like what's the appeal of conicals? Radials are "half-way" between Classics and Radials. The curve cut allows the board to flip faster (thab conicals), and lock-in to some type of grinds better (smith/feeble, etc.) because you don't have a sharp edge to contend with. Moreover, the straighter part of the Radial cut allows you to lock-in to things like 50-50s better than classics (and more like a conical). Watch that Ben De Gros link post a bit back in this thread on the differences between straight cut (conicals) and rounded (classics) wheels. A radial is right in the middle.

Oh huh, okay thanks, guess I was just thinking less weight = good lmao
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 04, 2023, 03:59:37 PM
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So is pretty much the only difference between radials and conicals the cut on the inside?  Mostly just weight reduction then?  If so what is the appeal of radials?
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More like what's the appeal of conicals? Radials are "half-way" between Classics and Radials. The curve cut allows the board to flip faster (thab conicals), and lock-in to some type of grinds better (smith/feeble, etc.) because you don't have a sharp edge to contend with. Moreover, the straighter part of the Radial cut allows you to lock-in to things like 50-50s better than classics (and more like a conical). Watch that Ben De Gros link post a bit back in this thread on the differences between straight cut (conicals) and rounded (classics) wheels. A radial is right in the middle.
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Oh huh, okay thanks, guess I was just thinking less weight = good lmao



Here is the link to the close up images for the wheel options that others have posted on Slap, which are really good to see all specs and info:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3844842;topicseen#msg3844842


As well as the Spitfire profile pics on their site:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


It probably still doesn't show the most important thing, but pretty much the main difference when looking at them in person is Classics and Radials are curved from the bearing seat round the wheel profile, no sharp edges at all on the face of the wheel, whereas the Conical or Conical Full have a sharp edge at the widest point, where the inside wall joins the outer area before it slightly curves to the riding surface.

The Lock Ins might be the best pic that shows this, as they have one side Conical Full, one side flat edge.


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/lockins-spec.jpg)



Radial profile:


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/img/specs/radial-spec.jpg)


Rounded edges make it way easier to get on and off coping or similar things, but the Conical edge grips more when grinding getting in and out of things, as others have said.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 04, 2023, 07:06:06 PM

 Radials are "half-way" between Classics and Radials.

Wut?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheLowerBack on February 04, 2023, 08:57:21 PM
How are the 97's on smooth concrete/parks?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 05, 2023, 12:08:06 AM
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Wut?

Damn mental typo. Thanks for the catch. Radials are halfway between Classics and CONICALS.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 05, 2023, 12:08:55 AM
How are the 97's on smooth concrete/parks?

Slow and sticky. They are best suited for more crusty stuff.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: franquietits on February 05, 2023, 12:33:33 PM
This might seem like an obvious question, but would any of you say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 05, 2023, 12:43:14 PM
This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.

If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: franquietits on February 05, 2023, 12:46:15 PM
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This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.
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If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).

true dat, ty. yeah I just probably need to bend my knees more and lean back, it's just when ever I've tried I almost slip out, so I probably need to find a sweet spot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 05, 2023, 02:12:13 PM
This might seem like an obvious question, but would any of you say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.

Absolutely. I unlocked backside power slides on 101 radial slims (I can FS power sliding duro wheel). But after I had them dialed, it wasn't too hard to take them to 99s. Hills are the best place to learn them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on February 05, 2023, 04:43:32 PM
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This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.
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If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).
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true dat, ty. yeah I just probably need to bend my knees more and lean back, it's just when ever I've tried I almost slip out, so I probably need to find a sweet spot.

what’s ur foot placement looking like?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on February 05, 2023, 05:47:46 PM
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This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.
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If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).
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true dat, ty. yeah I just probably need to bend my knees more and lean back, it's just when ever I've tried I almost slip out, so I probably need to find a sweet spot.
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what’s ur foot placement looking like?

a lot of weight on my toes for bs powerslides. theyre too scary now so i dont do them anymore (dont want roadrash on my stomach no thanks)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: franquietits on February 05, 2023, 10:25:16 PM
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This might seem like an obvious question, but would you any of say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.
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If you can’t power slide on F4 99a, it’s technique. Find some wet pavement, and practice there. Note, small contact patch (classics) will absolutely slide easier than bigger contact patch (conical fulls).
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true dat, ty. yeah I just probably need to bend my knees more and lean back, it's just when ever I've tried I almost slip out, so I probably need to find a sweet spot.
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what’s ur foot placement looking like?

Front foot over the front bolts slightly angled, back foot -- not sure, never payed attention probably just pocket. I've seen clips of people pulling them off with their front foot in the middle of the board; so, maybe there is something there. I also think I just don't lift my body up (weightless) enough when I angle into the power slide. Idk, the weather has been shit for awhile, so I haven't been trying. for some reason, I just started thinking about all of this suddenly. I remember seeing the degros trick tip for it and it was really good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: franquietits on February 05, 2023, 10:27:19 PM
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This might seem like an obvious question, but would any of you say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.
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Absolutely. I unlocked backside power slides on 101 radial slims (I can FS power sliding duro wheel). But after I had them dialed, it wasn't too hard to take them to 99s. Hills are the best place to learn them.

Freak yeah, ty. I've never cared for power slides much, but now I want em. gotta have em.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: venture5.8 on February 06, 2023, 07:31:28 AM
Has anybody else has an increased issue with f4s chunking out quick? I have a set I just put on last week chunk out on the riding surface. The last set I had for 9 months never even lost a chunk that big the whole time having them. I just skating where I usually skate so it's not like I went to a new rough spot or anything
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 06, 2023, 10:03:30 AM
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This might seem like an obvious question, but would any of you say that 101a's slide better than 99a's in the street? What are your experiences?

I probably just have a technique problem, but I could never really hold a power slide well with my f4 99a's, so I'm wondering if I just need a harder wheel.
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Absolutely. I unlocked backside power slides on 101 radial slims (I can FS power sliding duro wheel). But after I had them dialed, it wasn't too hard to take them to 99s. Hills are the best place to learn them.
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Freak yeah, ty. I've never cared for power slides much, but now I want em. gotta have em.

Bloody typos.... meant to say Frontside power slides are easy enough on any durometer wheel. But it took 101s to get a feel for backside. Once you know how it feels it is easier to take it to 99s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sizzle on February 06, 2023, 03:40:45 PM
Hey guys,

Want to switch from 99a to 101a but a lot of my spots have bad cracks in the roll-up, large enough that getting pitched is a concern. Will the small loss of rebound significantly affect my ability to ride them out with good weight distribution? Obviously it will be more jarring but will I actually get stuck on things my 99as can handle?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 06, 2023, 08:52:16 PM
Hey guys,

Want to switch from 99a to 101a but a lot of my spots have bad cracks in the roll-up, large enough that getting pitched is a concern. Will the small loss of rebound significantly affect my ability to ride them out with good weight distribution? Obviously it will be more jarring but will I actually get stuck on things my 99as can handle?

Imho, 101a is only good at smooth, park type settings. They shake your fillings out at the slightest sign of crust. Stick to 99.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on February 07, 2023, 05:36:50 AM
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Hey guys,

Want to switch from 99a to 101a but a lot of my spots have bad cracks in the roll-up, large enough that getting pitched is a concern. Will the small loss of rebound significantly affect my ability to ride them out with good weight distribution? Obviously it will be more jarring but will I actually get stuck on things my 99as can handle?
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Imho, 101a is only good at smooth, park type settings. They shake your fillings out at the slightest sign of crust. Stick to 99.

I pretty much agree with this. You can make 101 work in the streets if the spots are decent, but if you're worried about shitty ground at all i would just stick with 99 @Sizzle

I Had a little fling with 101s recently and when the ground suited them they were sick, but overall they're just not as good in as many situations.

The vast majority of pros ride the 99s from what i've seen, if that means anything.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on February 07, 2023, 06:15:01 AM
I’ll offer a very slight counter/addendum: 101s initially seem unrideable on anything other than perfect concrete, but in my experience they break in really nicely. The shape of the wheel seems to matter more with the 101s, for me: my 52 conical fulls are great wherever, my 51 classics are much slower on choppy ground.
I currently prefer 101s, but I skate small wheels, and seek out smooth (ish, northwest outdoor non skate specific) parking lots for flatground. So big grain of salt so to speak
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on February 07, 2023, 06:59:12 AM
I’ll offer a very slight counter/addendum: 101s initially seem unrideable on anything other than perfect concrete, but in my experience they break in really nicely. The shape of the wheel seems to matter more with the 101s, for me: my 52 conical fulls are great wherever, my 51 classics are much slower on choppy ground.
I currently prefer 101s, but I skate small wheels, and seek out smooth (ish, northwest outdoor non skate specific) parking lots for flatground. So big grain of salt so to speak

I would agree with this sentiment. They def got more manageable as they broke in. I had mine on when i went to MTL for the glory challenge. Street skating was doable, but kinda rough at certain spots, i think i wouldve preferred 99s overall. but man that vans park felt sooooooooo good on the 101s i will say that.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 07, 2023, 07:23:31 AM
...The shape of the wheel seems to matter more with the 101s, for me: my 52 conical fulls are great wherever, my 51 classics are much slower on choppy ground.
I currently prefer 101s, but I skate small wheels, and seek out smooth (ish, northwest outdoor non skate specific) parking lots for flatground. So big grain of salt so to speak

I'll add some more (obvious) nuance; With 101a, the size of both the wheel, and the contact patch, are more substantive factors. On something a bit more crusty, a 53mm 101a Full Connie is going to ride much "smoother" than a 101a 51mm Classic. Sure, this is also true for 99a/97a/etc., but it plays out a bit differently with 101a, IMHO.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sizzle on February 08, 2023, 08:10:35 PM
Don’t want to @ everybody but thanks for the advice. Yeah, definitely sticking with the 99s, I’ve been doing some nostalgia-goggle induced pining for the bones stfs that I started out on but didn’t want to go full Bones guy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on February 08, 2023, 10:35:02 PM
Has anybody else has an increased issue with f4s chunking out quick? I have a set I just put on last week chunk out on the riding surface. The last set I had for 9 months never even lost a chunk that big the whole time having them. I just skating where I usually skate so it's not like I went to a new rough spot or anything
are they colored?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Creachteach on February 09, 2023, 03:11:41 AM
WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 09, 2023, 05:44:10 AM
WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?

Counterfeits?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on February 09, 2023, 05:46:14 AM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
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Counterfeits?

Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 09, 2023, 05:52:10 AM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
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Counterfeits?
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Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?

Oh, I •do• have a vague memory of that. To OP, I wouldn’t be too concerned about an improper listing (e.g. “radials”). Those kind of goofs happen all the time—the graphic/shape is the far more interesting aspect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: venture5.8 on February 09, 2023, 08:05:51 AM
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Has anybody else has an increased issue with f4s chunking out quick? I have a set I just put on last week chunk out on the riding surface. The last set I had for 9 months never even lost a chunk that big the whole time having them. I just skating where I usually skate so it's not like I went to a new rough spot or anything
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are they colored?

I've had 4 sets in the last year and 2 of them I had to warranty because they lost a big chunk of the riding surface in 2 weeks or less. The first set I returned was plain but the second was a color wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on February 09, 2023, 09:54:25 AM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
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Counterfeits?
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Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?
Over 5 years ago, I had a set of 60mm F4 Classics that had this graphic on them. Dunno if it was specific to the bigger wheels but I when I ordered I expected them to be OG Classic shape as that was the way it was in the Classics lineup. We all hopefully speak Spitfire here but, for the record, I was talking about three different wheels lines just now. Shit does get confusing.

The wheels that CreachTeach posted are almost certainly counterfeit. Number one wheel in skateboarding, number one most counterfeited wheel too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Creachteach on February 09, 2023, 01:17:34 PM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
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Counterfeits?
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Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?
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Over 5 years ago, I had a set of 60mm F4 Classics that had this graphic on them. Dunno if it was specific to the bigger wheels but I when I ordered I expected them to be OG Classic shape as that was the way it was in the Classics lineup. We all hopefully speak Spitfire here but, for the record, I was talking about three different wheels lines just now. Shit does get confusing.

The wheels that CreachTeach posted are almost certainly counterfeit. Number one wheel in skateboarding, number one most counterfeited wheel too.

They ought to be legit at that price. If you click the picture, you can see that it’s a screenshot from large European skate shop. I would imagine that they’d only deal directly with DLX.
If I had a skateshop, I’d be very suspicious of anyone else selling me Spitfires.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on February 09, 2023, 01:54:37 PM
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(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
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Counterfeits?
[close]

Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?
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Over 5 years ago, I had a set of 60mm F4 Classics that had this graphic on them. Dunno if it was specific to the bigger wheels but I when I ordered I expected them to be OG Classic shape as that was the way it was in the Classics lineup. We all hopefully speak Spitfire here but, for the record, I was talking about three different wheels lines just now. Shit does get confusing.

The wheels that CreachTeach posted are almost certainly counterfeit. Number one wheel in skateboarding, number one most counterfeited wheel too.
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They ought to be legit at that price. If you click the picture, you can see that it’s a screenshot from large European skate shop. I would imagine that they’d only deal directly with DLX.
If I had a skateshop, I’d be very suspicious of anyone else selling me Spitfires.
Yeah fair enough Titus is pretty well known. Perhaps they just have the wrong product shot up on that listing?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Creachteach on February 09, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
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Counterfeits?
[close]

Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?
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Over 5 years ago, I had a set of 60mm F4 Classics that had this graphic on them. Dunno if it was specific to the bigger wheels but I when I ordered I expected them to be OG Classic shape as that was the way it was in the Classics lineup. We all hopefully speak Spitfire here but, for the record, I was talking about three different wheels lines just now. Shit does get confusing.

The wheels that CreachTeach posted are almost certainly counterfeit. Number one wheel in skateboarding, number one most counterfeited wheel too.
[close]

They ought to be legit at that price. If you click the picture, you can see that it’s a screenshot from large European skate shop. I would imagine that they’d only deal directly with DLX.
If I had a skateshop, I’d be very suspicious of anyone else selling me Spitfires.
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Yeah fair enough Titus is pretty well known. Perhaps they just have the wrong product shot up on that listing?
Yeah, you see it too. It boggles my tiny brain. Either they bought aliexpress wheels, or they’re new old stock. (NOS is very big in guitar and electronics) Or they’re simply a custom order colorway.

A Danish skateshop still has Green/black swirled F4s, and CPH open ltd edition wheels. I know the Green/black is several years old. What’s the shelf life of these things?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 09, 2023, 03:03:36 PM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
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Counterfeits?
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Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?
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Over 5 years ago, I had a set of 60mm F4 Classics that had this graphic on them. Dunno if it was specific to the bigger wheels but I when I ordered I expected them to be OG Classic shape as that was the way it was in the Classics lineup. We all hopefully speak Spitfire here but, for the record, I was talking about three different wheels lines just now. Shit does get confusing.

The wheels that CreachTeach posted are almost certainly counterfeit. Number one wheel in skateboarding, number one most counterfeited wheel too.
[close]

They ought to be legit at that price. If you click the picture, you can see that it’s a screenshot from large European skate shop. I would imagine that they’d only deal directly with DLX.
If I had a skateshop, I’d be very suspicious of anyone else selling me Spitfires.

Europe often gets “different” stuff than U.S. does.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 09, 2023, 05:58:29 PM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
[close]

Counterfeits?
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Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?
[close]
Over 5 years ago, I had a set of 60mm F4 Classics that had this graphic on them. Dunno if it was specific to the bigger wheels but I when I ordered I expected them to be OG Classic shape as that was the way it was in the Classics lineup. We all hopefully speak Spitfire here but, for the record, I was talking about three different wheels lines just now. Shit does get confusing.

The wheels that CreachTeach posted are almost certainly counterfeit. Number one wheel in skateboarding, number one most counterfeited wheel too.
[close]

They ought to be legit at that price. If you click the picture, you can see that it’s a screenshot from large European skate shop. I would imagine that they’d only deal directly with DLX.
If I had a skateshop, I’d be very suspicious of anyone else selling me Spitfires.
[close]
Yeah fair enough Titus is pretty well known. Perhaps they just have the wrong product shot up on that listing?
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Yeah, you see it too. It boggles my tiny brain. Either they bought aliexpress wheels, or they’re new old stock. (NOS is very big in guitar and electronics) Or they’re simply a custom order colorway.

A Danish skateshop still has Green/black swirled F4s, and CPH open ltd edition wheels. I know the Green/black is several years old. What’s the shelf life of these things?


I still have a lot of these blue 99 and at least one set of red 101 Classic and Classic Full shape wheels with these graphics as I stocked up when I had the chance, so that pic is of a legit set of wheels, but I would say there would be almost zero sets of those wheels still around in skate shops nowdays.


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0471/9742/1731/products/161219_1.jpg)


Titus is a very well known and respected skate shop so I doubt they would have fake wheels in stock, so I am going with the theory that they found that graphic from their archives or google and put it on the listing by mistake.  Other shops have often done the same, not taking pics of their own wheels, but just looking up stock pics and using them, as it was way quicker and easier when they are busy and have to put up lots of product.

Radials in the 52, 53, 54 and 56 mm sizes have really only just come out again not too long ago, so more likely just arrived over there, with a similar graphic, but not the same one.  Even I was curious when I saw the new ones with an almost reversed graphic of that old blue one, but I think they have done that as there were a lot of fake wheels out with the old Radial graphic on what looked like more of a Classic shape but still not the same.


Either way, there is still no 100% guarantee that something is not wrong, so as I have done with other shops, sent a message asking about that particular product and if they got the image wrong, etc.  It definitely happens.


Skate Deluxe have some newly listed Radial 53mm wheels too, so I would be going with legit wheel, wrong image.

See this one:


https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/spitfire-formula-four-radial-wheels-natural-blue-53mm-99a-4-pack_p162863


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Democratic Republic Of Mongo on February 09, 2023, 10:18:48 PM
Maybe they just used an old picture.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on February 10, 2023, 09:37:33 AM
i remember they used that graphic a lot before they made the classic swirl on formula fours. a lot of websites like tactics and skatewarehouse have em for a while.


on another note i got a set of conical f4's - ive moslty ridden classic but tried classic slims, classic wide. connical full. radial and radial full but always reverted back to the classics.

what benefit do the conicals have versus classics for those who've ridden both?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on February 10, 2023, 09:49:56 AM
what benefit do the conicals have versus classics for those who've ridden both?

can get a larger contact patch w/a smaller wheel

@Mbrimson88 knows all about this, can speak to this more
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: backinaction on February 10, 2023, 09:58:39 AM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
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Counterfeits?
[close]

Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?

Yep. I only have two sets of the classic '99s.  Both from the first year of F4s, and both with that graphic.   An both just sitting in my box of unused parts.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on February 10, 2023, 10:29:09 AM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
[close]

Counterfeits?
[close]

Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?
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Yep. I only have two sets of the classic '99s.  Both from the first year of F4s, and both with that graphic.   An both just sitting in my box of unused parts.

ok cool, was hoping this wasnt some mandela effect thing lol.

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what benefit do the conicals have versus classics for those who've ridden both?
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can get a larger contact patch w/a smaller wheel

@Mbrimson88 knows all about this, can speak to this more

more aggressive lock in on grinds

the tradeoff being that you grind slower from my experiences
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on February 10, 2023, 11:38:33 AM
i remember they used that graphic a lot before they made the classic swirl on formula fours. a lot of websites like tactics and skatewarehouse have em for a while.


on another note i got a set of conical f4's - ive moslty ridden classic but tried classic slims, classic wide. connical full. radial and radial full but always reverted back to the classics.

what benefit do the conicals have versus classics for those who've ridden both?

I feel you on that, I rode 54 classics for 15 years.

Now I am on 52 Conicals (the Standard Concials). Both in 99a. They feel way more stable and I can still do all my usual flips and other tricks. They lock in better for stalls and grinds (for me). And they handle crust way better as the Classics. I also find the slide more predictable, controllable and smoother as with Classics.

Will try some 54 Concials at some time in the future, but so far I like the Conicals more as Classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 10, 2023, 12:53:36 PM
i remember they used that graphic a lot before they made the classic swirl on formula fours. a lot of websites like tactics and skatewarehouse have em for a while.


on another note i got a set of conical f4's - ive moslty ridden classic but tried classic slims, classic wide. connical full. radial and radial full but always reverted back to the classics.

what benefit do the conicals have versus classics for those who've ridden both?

Conicals def ride "smoother," esp. when dealing with more crusty spots. They also lock-in better to some grinds. I found Smiths, Feebles, Hurricanes, etc. much easier on Classics. That inside rounded edge doesn't seem to catch, and pop-out as much for me as the sharper edge of Conicals (tablets, OG classics, etc.) often does. Conicals also "bite" a bit more when doing something like pivot to tail on ramp, 5-0 to tail slide, etc. By "bite" I mean that you need a tad more force to switch over from truck to tail (or board), whereas Classics have a much smoother transition between the two. Conicals also grip a bit more (b/c/ of wider contact patch), in all situations. Which is better? That's for you to decide.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Creachteach on February 10, 2023, 12:56:50 PM
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WHAT the HELL is this?


(https://i.ibb.co/xMLWg44/68-A234-A8-B97-F-4-BF8-8758-C4-B95-C6-A9809.png) (https://ibb.co/xMLWg44)

Listed as radial, but obvs. classic… but the colorway/graphic is conical.
Which drop is this from?
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Counterfeits?
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Someone please correct me if im wrong, but didn't they used to run this graphic on ALL f4's at first? blue for 99 red for 101? I thought they didnt start doing the swirl graphic on f4 classics for a little while after selling f4s?
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Over 5 years ago, I had a set of 60mm F4 Classics that had this graphic on them. Dunno if it was specific to the bigger wheels but I when I ordered I expected them to be OG Classic shape as that was the way it was in the Classics lineup. We all hopefully speak Spitfire here but, for the record, I was talking about three different wheels lines just now. Shit does get confusing.

The wheels that CreachTeach posted are almost certainly counterfeit. Number one wheel in skateboarding, number one most counterfeited wheel too.
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They ought to be legit at that price. If you click the picture, you can see that it’s a screenshot from large European skate shop. I would imagine that they’d only deal directly with DLX.
If I had a skateshop, I’d be very suspicious of anyone else selling me Spitfires.
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Yeah fair enough Titus is pretty well known. Perhaps they just have the wrong product shot up on that listing?
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Yeah, you see it too. It boggles my tiny brain. Either they bought aliexpress wheels, or they’re new old stock. (NOS is very big in guitar and electronics) Or they’re simply a custom order colorway.

A Danish skateshop still has Green/black swirled F4s, and CPH open ltd edition wheels. I know the Green/black is several years old. What’s the shelf life of these things?
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I still have a lot of these blue 99 and at least one set of red 101 Classic and Classic Full shape wheels with these graphics as I stocked up when I had the chance, so that pic is of a legit set of wheels, but I would say there would be almost zero sets of those wheels still around in skate shops nowdays.


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0471/9742/1731/products/161219_1.jpg)


Titus is a very well known and respected skate shop so I doubt they would have fake wheels in stock, so I am going with the theory that they found that graphic from their archives or google and put it on the listing by mistake.  Other shops have often done the same, not taking pics of their own wheels, but just looking up stock pics and using them, as it was way quicker and easier when they are busy and have to put up lots of product.

Radials in the 52, 53, 54 and 56 mm sizes have really only just come out again not too long ago, so more likely just arrived over there, with a similar graphic, but not the same one.  Even I was curious when I saw the new ones with an almost reversed graphic of that old blue one, but I think they have done that as there were a lot of fake wheels out with the old Radial graphic on what looked like more of a Classic shape but still not the same.


Either way, there is still no 100% guarantee that something is not wrong, so as I have done with other shops, sent a message asking about that particular product and if they got the image wrong, etc.  It definitely happens.


Skate Deluxe have some newly listed Radial 53mm wheels too, so I would be going with legit wheel, wrong image.

See this one:


https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en/spitfire-formula-four-radial-wheels-natural-blue-53mm-99a-4-pack_p162863

All of you guys are probably right. It’s probably just a fuckup. But man, did it rub me the wrong way. Yeah, I fuck with Titus. They’re legit.

Maybe they just used an old picture.
My thinking as well, now that I’ve slept on it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 10, 2023, 04:24:02 PM
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can get a larger contact patch w/a smaller wheel

@Mbrimson88 knows all about this, can speak to this more


Ha yeah, probably said too much in reality, but at least everyone has it covered on here.

This was the post on the previous page with pictures re Conical shape has a sharp edge and Classics / Radials have a rounded edge.


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3957225#msg3957225

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on February 14, 2023, 11:57:43 AM
thanks for the feedback! gonna try the 54mm conical 99a after work today before seeing my gf for the usual valentines day dinner!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 14, 2023, 05:46:32 PM
thanks for the feedback! gonna try the 54mm conical 99a after work today before seeing my gf for the usual valentines day dinner!

Hope you find that desired slip to grip ratio on this special day.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 16, 2023, 07:26:53 PM
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For those Australian people keen on Spitfires, the latest wheels are here and already in a few places like ebay and sellers sites, OCD and Basement Skate the two I have seen so far, but as others round the world are saying, they have gone up considerably again and are now up to $89 for normal Formula Four up to 56mm and $94 or so for bigger sizes, anything 57mm and up.


https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/collections/spitfire


https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/spitfire-f4-wilson-death-roll-conical-full-54mm-99a-skateboard-wheels

SPITFIRE - F4 WILSON DEATH ROLL CONICAL FULL 54MM 99A SKATEBOARD WHEELS
$89.00


https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/spitfire-f4-lock-ins-57mm-99a-skateboard-wheels

SPITFIRE - F4 LOCK INS 57MM 99A SKATEBOARD WHEELS
$94.00


https://www.basementskate.com.au/spitfire-skateboard-wheels-f4-conical-full-54mm-99a-wilson/

Spitfire Skateboard Wheels F4 Conical Full 54mm 99a Wilson
$89.00


Can't wait to see wheels get to or over the $100 mark here.

Stock up while you can on the current or old stock anyway.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yghartsyrt on February 17, 2023, 06:38:33 AM
fucking hell – was about to buy new F4s, but they are now 70 Euros in Germany. Guess it's time for a shop for Loopholes or something different. Any recommendations for a wheel feeling close to f4 conical fulls?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: scab on February 17, 2023, 06:47:15 AM
fucking hell – was about to buy new F4s, but they are now 70 Euros in Germany. Guess it's time for a shop for Loopholes or something different. Any recommendations for a wheel feeling close to f4 conical fulls?

What size & duro are you looking for? I've been looking around a lot lately, maybe I've seen something you'd like for the old price (~60€).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on February 17, 2023, 07:08:19 AM
fucking hell – was about to buy new F4s, but they are now 70 Euros in Germany. Guess it's time for a shop for Loopholes or something different. Any recommendations for a wheel feeling close to f4 conical fulls?

F4 OG Classics 55mm are my go to (and they really feel similar to conical fulls)
and here at least they are still around 60€
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nacho Maildrop on February 17, 2023, 07:16:47 AM
fucking hell – was about to buy new F4s, but they are now 70 Euros in Germany. Guess it's time for a shop for Loopholes or something different. Any recommendations for a wheel feeling close to f4 conical fulls?

I know F4s are pricy and am aware that I am spoiled by living in the USA, but if they went up that substantially here I'd still buy them. They skate better and last longer than anything else, and if I am not on my madness and swapping them out I can run a set for a year.

If you can find some NFG poured Loopholes go for it, but don't get too attached since they're done.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on February 17, 2023, 07:25:24 AM
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I know F4s are pricy and am aware that I am spoiled by living in the USA, but if they went up that substantially here I'd still buy them. They skate better and last longer than anything else, and if I am not on my madness and swapping them out I can run a set for a year.

If you can find some NFG poured Loopholes go for it, but don't get too attached since they're done.
Wait what? NFG or loophole done? Or both?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nacho Maildrop on February 17, 2023, 07:46:29 AM
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I know F4s are pricy and am aware that I am spoiled by living in the USA, but if they went up that substantially here I'd still buy them. They skate better and last longer than anything else, and if I am not on my madness and swapping them out I can run a set for a year.

If you can find some NFG poured Loopholes go for it, but don't get too attached since they're done.
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Wait what? NFG or loophole done? Or both?

The prevailing rumor is that NFG is done. Loophole still exists, but wheels being offered in 99a and 101a (rather than 95a and 52d) point to different factory.

I would love to be wrong, though.
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Post by: camel filters on February 17, 2023, 08:15:19 AM
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fucking hell – was about to buy new F4s, but they are now 70 Euros in Germany. Guess it's time for a shop for Loopholes or something different. Any recommendations for a wheel feeling close to f4 conical fulls?
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I know F4s are pricy and am aware that I am spoiled by living in the USA, but if they went up that substantially here I'd still buy them. They skate better and last longer than anything else, and if I am not on my madness and swapping them out I can run a set for a year.

If you can find some NFG poured Loopholes go for it, but don't get too attached since they're done.
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Wait what? NFG or loophole done? Or both?
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The prevailing rumor is that NFG is done. Loophole still exists, but wheels being offered in 99a and 101a (rather than 95a and 52d) point to different factory.

I would love to be wrong, though.
Ah thats a shame. I had a set of the v cut loopholes. The shape was a bit too aggressively square for me but the urethane felt nice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Síota on February 17, 2023, 08:42:55 AM
Polar has spitfires for €60 on thier site. If anyone needs em

(https://i.ibb.co/jDjCypm/Screenshot-20230217-174215.png) (https://ibb.co/jDjCypm)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yghartsyrt on February 17, 2023, 09:41:50 AM
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What size & duro are you looking for? I've been looking around a lot lately, maybe I've seen something you'd like for the old price (~60€).

thanks i found some at various smaller shops like pivot, shrn and such. but the supply dwindles.

this means, i still need to look into an alternative. So, any recs are much appreciated especially with mfg/loophole rumouur that was mentioned in this thread
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 17, 2023, 04:24:01 PM
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I know F4s are pricy and am aware that I am spoiled by living in the USA, but if they went up that substantially here I'd still buy them. They skate better and last longer than anything else, and if I am not on my madness and swapping them out I can run a set for a year.





My thoughts on Spitfire Formula Four wheels as well.  I would rather get the product I know and trust (and can usually find with some sort of discount or % off sale) than try to ride something that is cheaper and just doesn't hold up half as well.

Others I know have had a whinge about the prices before things went right up, but you get what you pay for.

Trying other wheels for half the price usually don't even last half as long and people end up hating them, whereas getting something that works, that lasts as long as it does and keeps me happy is way more cost effective in the long run.

That's me anyway...

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yghartsyrt on February 18, 2023, 04:17:24 PM
Yeah, probably the most possible scenario isthat I’ll end up paying 70 euro for f4 somewhere down the road. Sucks nevertheless paying so much for wheels.

Good alternatives would still be cool such as the loopholes - I hope the rumor is not true
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on February 18, 2023, 04:21:01 PM
the wheel hoarders were ahead of the curve
end times when wheels cost more than decks
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MC3 on February 18, 2023, 06:46:26 PM
Im bummed i didnt buy those all black AVE 56mm conical fulls that came out a bit ago. Ive wanted either black or orange wheels for a while now and thats my go to size and shape and theyre sold out everywhere
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on February 18, 2023, 07:54:44 PM
Im bummed i didnt buy those all black AVE 56mm conical fulls that came out a bit ago. Ive wanted either black or orange wheels for a while now and thats my go to size and shape and theyre sold out everywhere

were they the regular conicals? if so they’ve got some in canada idk if you’re down with that tho
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Post by: MC3 on February 18, 2023, 11:57:01 PM
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Im bummed i didnt buy those all black AVE 56mm conical fulls that came out a bit ago. Ive wanted either black or orange wheels for a while now and thats my go to size and shape and theyre sold out everywhere
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were they the regular conicals? if so they’ve got some in canada idk if you’re down with that tho

My bad they are the regular conicals. I wonder what the shipping would be on that…
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on February 19, 2023, 06:34:46 AM
all good. here’s some links to try

https://thinkempire.com/products/spitfire-formula-four-ave-chrome-conical-black-skateboard-wheels-2022?variant=42368941555901&currency=CAD&utm_source=google&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_campaign=shopping&utm_content=Spitfire+Formula+Four+Ave+Chrome+Conical+Black+Skateboard+Wheels+%7C+EMPIRE&gclid=Cj0KCQiArsefBhCbARIsAP98hXQTqv-KWOxNxRXtDYal6ZYONVq944Xfi_dnqYHc2ioXAm7OUr1_6-0aAnmjEALw_wcB


https://www.sourceboards.com/products/spitfire-f4-conical-ave-chrome-black-99a-wheels-56mm?pr_prod_strat=collection_fallback&pr_rec_id=eee224446&pr_rec_pid=6748109701200&pr_ref_pid=6703740289104&pr_seq=uniform


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on February 19, 2023, 07:40:06 AM
I recently bought a set of 53mm 99a radials from my local, then I noticed on the f4 size chart that there was no 53 listed for radials.

Did I just buy fakes?

I personally know the local owner, he wouldn't sell them intentionally. He gets them all from the same distributor, and I've gotten multiple sets of legit ones in the past, so I'm inclined to believe these are real.

But the lack of mention on the size chart has me puzzled.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roll_dog on February 19, 2023, 07:44:22 AM
I recently bought a set of 53mm 99a radials from my local, then I noticed on the f4 size chart that there was no 53 listed for radials.

Did I just buy fakes?

I personally know the local owner, he wouldn't sell them intentionally. He gets them all from the same distributor, and I've gotten multiple sets of legit ones in the past, so I'm inclined to believe these are real.

But the lack of mention on the size chart has me puzzled.

nah, my favorite are the standard conicals, and they are not listed in 53 on the website but are for sale at legit retailers.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on February 19, 2023, 09:57:33 AM
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I recently bought a set of 53mm 99a radials from my local, then I noticed on the f4 size chart that there was no 53 listed for radials.

Did I just buy fakes?

I personally know the local owner, he wouldn't sell them intentionally. He gets them all from the same distributor, and I've gotten multiple sets of legit ones in the past, so I'm inclined to believe these are real.

But the lack of mention on the size chart has me puzzled.
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nah, my favorite are the standard conicals, and they are not listed in 53 on the website but are for sale at legit retailers.

Sick, thanks.

Gnar'd for quelling my gear paranoia
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 19, 2023, 03:37:47 PM
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I recently bought a set of 53mm 99a radials from my local, then I noticed on the f4 size chart that there was no 53 listed for radials.

Did I just buy fakes?

I personally know the local owner, he wouldn't sell them intentionally. He gets them all from the same distributor, and I've gotten multiple sets of legit ones in the past, so I'm inclined to believe these are real.

But the lack of mention on the size chart has me puzzled.
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nah, my favorite are the standard conicals, and they are not listed in 53 on the website but are for sale at legit retailers.
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Sick, thanks.




Are they the standard graphic or a special graphic?

I know they do special graphics in 53mm Radials a fair bit, eg the orange camo colour set I had and more recently the L Baker pro model, red or blue graphic.

It's funny how many "in between" sizes pop up for special releases, like the Andrew Allen 55mm Conical Full wheels.

People were tripping on those things when they came out - they skate more like the 56 than the 54mm size though, just like the Radials in 53mm feel closer to 54 than 52mm, when people ask about them.

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on February 19, 2023, 06:21:52 PM
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I recently bought a set of 53mm 99a radials from my local, then I noticed on the f4 size chart that there was no 53 listed for radials.

Did I just buy fakes?

I personally know the local owner, he wouldn't sell them intentionally. He gets them all from the same distributor, and I've gotten multiple sets of legit ones in the past, so I'm inclined to believe these are real.

But the lack of mention on the size chart has me puzzled.
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Are they the standard graphic or a special graphic?

I know they do special graphics in 53mm Radials a fair bit, eg the orange camo colour set I had and more recently the L Baker pro model, red or blue graphic.

It's funny how many "in between" sizes pop up for special releases, like the Andrew Allen 55mm Conical Full wheels.

People were tripping on those things when they came out - they skate more like the 56 than the 54mm size though, just like the Radials in 53mm feel closer to 54 than 52mm, when people ask about them.

Nice little wheel too.

53mm seems to be their least popular size, my guess is they print pro / special release graphics on shapes / graphics they have excess stock of.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WideFeet on February 19, 2023, 08:39:56 PM
I love the riding surface and how my flip tricks are on the Classic shape, but like how Conicals are shaped for locking into grinds.

Would anyone else like to see a Conical Slim shape?

Basically, a similar shape to a Bones V5 shape. I’ve skated the V5’s. They’re great. Just not the same performance of a Formula 4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on February 19, 2023, 10:29:06 PM
I love the riding surface and how my flip tricks are on the Classic shape, but like how Conicals are shaped for locking into grinds.

Would anyone else like to see a Conical Slim shape?

Basically, a similar shape to a Bones V5 shape. I’ve skated the V5’s. They’re great. Just not the same performance of a Formula 4.

Radial Slims are as close as you'll get to a Conical Slim, inward cut like a Conical, curved edge like a Classic.

Classics - 52 x 32 x 15.5
Radial Slim - 52 x 30 x 18.5
V5 - 52 x 30 x 14.5
Conical - 52 x 31.5 x 19.5
Conical Full - 52 x 32.25 x 21
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 21, 2023, 11:01:28 AM
Are F4 prices trending up everywhere? Seeing more places selling them for $40 to $45 a set?
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Post by: Xen on February 21, 2023, 11:12:28 AM
Are F4 prices trending up everywhere? Seeing more places selling them for $40 to $45 a set?

I noticed this as well. Just nabbed two sets of classics (chroma yellow, and glow) at the low low price of $39.99

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Post by: Frank and Fred on February 21, 2023, 11:18:09 AM
Permission to panic buy please...?
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Post by: Xen on February 21, 2023, 11:43:00 AM
Permission granted! Decks went up and stayed up. Wheels following suit...trucks and everything else next!

I just wanted colored F4s to mix and match.
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Post by: Xen on February 21, 2023, 01:20:48 PM
Permission granted! Decks went up and stayed up. Wheels following suit...trucks and everything else next!

I just wanted colored F4s to mix and match.

Totally jinxed it, shop called to tell me there was an inventory issue, no glows =(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on February 21, 2023, 01:41:12 PM
I love the riding surface and how my flip tricks are on the Classic shape, but like how Conicals are shaped for locking into grinds.

Would anyone else like to see a Conical Slim shape?

Basically, a similar shape to a Bones V5 shape. I’ve skated the V5’s. They’re great. Just not the same performance of a Formula 4.

They’re probably most accurately described as a conical/tablet hybrid, but the OG Classic shape is a pretty good approximation of a hypothetical Conical Slim shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 21, 2023, 03:19:37 PM
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I noticed this as well. Just nabbed two sets of classics (chroma yellow, and glow) at the low low price of $39.99


Seems all DLX products have gone up a lot in the last drop.

Also funny that the same product items in some places are still at the old price with the new product items at the higher price, which is making some things weird, but definitely get them while you can, eg Conical Full 52mm to 54mm wheels are between AU $60 and AU $90 right now here, just as one example, RRP was going up to $79 but is now $89 with the bigger wheels over 56mm going to $94 or higher.


I know the AU dollar and exchange rate is rubbish, but when one set of wheels costs more than anything else, then the new decks are showing as almost twice what I had been getting decks for, as well as trucks going up a lot more too, I am glad I don't have to buy anything any time soon.


Sorry to start a panic for anyone wanting things, but if you find something at the old price, it might save you $10 or more to get it sooner than later.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: streetmeat on February 23, 2023, 07:11:20 AM
Q: I've only ever had 99a du spits, do 101s bark the same as 99s. thinking of grabbing some 101s but i L O V E bark so i wanna make sure i'm not gonna lose that
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on February 23, 2023, 08:27:49 AM
it's subjective especially if you are that obsessed with the barking
But there's a slight difference between 99 and 101
99 bark best bark
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on February 23, 2023, 08:55:22 AM
99s are my go to but currently I have some 50mm Lil smokies 101s and those things are magic. For whatever reason they aren't much slower than my 56mm 99s. I think from now on if I mess with F4 under 54mm I'll go with 101s. I have some conical full 101s next to see how they do with a wider wheel.

Panic bought some 56mm 99a Radials also... $30 shipped...  I'm well stocked for the time being. Hoping my next F4 purchase isn't $45,
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chris. on February 23, 2023, 12:12:54 PM
Skated non-F4 for a good stretch and I admired a lot of the qualities of those wheels, but I put some 101 radial slims back on and they’re just so much faster.  Thought I might be a non-F4 guy, but I don’t think so.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rosemaryBB on February 23, 2023, 08:58:58 PM
Anyone run the big size lock-ins like 55mm and up to lock-in, like, even better?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on February 24, 2023, 12:00:40 AM
spitfire msrp and cost went up significantly. from 60-70 here in canada
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 25, 2023, 09:24:49 PM
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I recently bought a set of 53mm 99a radials from my local, then I noticed on the f4 size chart that there was no 53 listed for radials.

Did I just buy fakes?

I personally know the local owner, he wouldn't sell them intentionally. He gets them all from the same distributor, and I've gotten multiple sets of legit ones in the past, so I'm inclined to believe these are real.

But the lack of mention on the size chart has me puzzled.
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nah, my favorite are the standard conicals, and they are not listed in 53 on the website but are for sale at legit retailers.
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Sick, thanks.


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Are they the standard graphic or a special graphic?

I know they do special graphics in 53mm Radials a fair bit, eg the orange camo colour set I had and more recently the L Baker pro model, red or blue graphic.

It's funny how many "in between" sizes pop up for special releases, like the Andrew Allen 55mm Conical Full wheels.

People were tripping on those things when they came out - they skate more like the 56 than the 54mm size though, just like the Radials in 53mm feel closer to 54 than 52mm, when people ask about them.

Nice little wheel too.
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53mm seems to be their least popular size, my guess is they print pro / special release graphics on shapes / graphics they have excess stock of.


I just happened to be looking for something else and thought to check Spitfire wheel options and SW has a ton of them - everything in Classic, Bighead, Conical Full and others, plus some sizes of other shapes, including the Radials in 53, 54 and 56mm sizes in the graphic below:


https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Spitfire_Formula_Four_Radial_99a_Wheels/descpage-SFFR9WH.html


More just a reference than anything else, but at least people can check to see what is available on there and then go looking locally.



(https://img.skatewarehouse.com/watermark/rs.php?path=SFFR9WH-WH-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: GBLange on February 25, 2023, 11:52:51 PM
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on February 26, 2023, 06:32:37 AM
For the last couple of years with every new drop I've been hoping that radial slims get a new graphic. Instead fools are making radial fulls instead and I start to worry that the slims might eventually be discontinued...
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Post by: LebowskisRug on February 26, 2023, 06:41:20 AM
Anyone know where I might be able to score some Classic Full?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 26, 2023, 07:37:23 AM
For the last couple of years with every new drop I've been hoping that radial slims get a new graphic. Instead fools are making radial fulls instead and I start to worry that the slims might eventually be discontinued...

Considering their availability over the last few years, they essentially already have been.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roll_dog on February 26, 2023, 07:41:13 AM
Sometimes I wonder if they have too many shapes. Radial slims and tablets are pretty darn close. Would make sense to only keep one.

I mean in theory lots of shapes isn't a problem but in reality they can't seem to keep them available in all sizes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 26, 2023, 07:42:47 AM
Anyone know where I might be able to score some Classic Full?

Absent a trip back to 2018, good luck.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on February 26, 2023, 07:46:50 AM
You might see radial slims again someday but the trend is big wide wheels.
The confusion with pricing can be summed up like this, wheel prices did go up, it’s a lot of work(meaning on our site I would have to update every product individually as our site is pretty basic) and frankly kind of dickish to go back to product you got for cheaper and raise the price. F4’s have gone up at wholesale $3-4 a set, I still feel guilty raising prices but I had to.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on February 26, 2023, 08:19:12 AM
You might see radial slims again someday but the trend is big wide wheels.
The confusion with pricing can be summed up like this, wheel prices did go up, it’s a lot of work(meaning on our site I would have to update every product individually as our site is pretty basic) and frankly kind of dickish to go back to product you got for cheaper and raise the price. F4’s have gone up at wholesale $3-4 a set, I still feel guilty raising prices but I had to.

I work, and have worked, in some very different than skateshop industries (restaurants and construction mainly). In both of my main careers, most everyone had the money to sit on the bar stool, or commission the building of a custom home. It was difficult for me to drop some tabs in front of people at the bar, and it’s difficult for my bosses to do invoicing for their clients, particularly as those bosses have aged, gained wealth, and feel like their clients are peers.
Skateshop work would drive me nuts. Many skaters have championed a fairly shitty ethos where they’ll beg poor, and then spend their money in seemingly selfish ways. Trying to juggle that, and apply some type of sliding scale to the ‘homies’ would drive me towards some toxic thought. So as always, salute.
Raise those prices! Don’t feel bad. I’d rather there be a shop I can come to, and bother people, pick decks up and ramble about concave, sniff shoes, whatever my weird ass is up to that day. Please don’t feel bad. Capitalism is shitty
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 26, 2023, 08:20:43 AM
You might see radial slims again someday but the trend is big wide wheels.

First, I hate the Full Connie trend. Are people still buying Classics, en mass? It seems Radial Slims would be popular…wider riding surface than classics, with a bit more lock-in, but not such a sharp edge (as tablets, connies, etc.).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 26, 2023, 02:22:55 PM
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You might see radial slims again someday but the trend is big wide wheels.
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First, I hate the Full Connie trend. Are people still buying Classics, en mass? It seems Radial Slims would be popular…wider riding surface than classics, with a bit more lock-in, but not such a sharp edge (as tablets, connies, etc.).

I would choose Radial slims over any other wheel shape. It's so good....it's just 'right'. Instead, I will ride classics...maybe a conical (but not a fan of wide wheels and classics are a wide wheel, just round with a narrow patch).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on February 26, 2023, 04:37:20 PM
Anyone know where I might be able to score some Classic Full?

Titus still has them in 54 and 52
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 26, 2023, 05:44:19 PM
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Anyone know where I might be able to score some Classic Full?
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Titus still has them in 54 and 52


It's funny how some shops just seemed to stock up on certain shapes and they never sold, or they had so many they always seem to have some, even if people are still buying them.

I think the coversion / shipping from EU to USA would mean that the wheels would not be worth the cost, same as if I sent some from here in AU to USA - just costs so much it is better to get Classics and go skate some really rough parks and carve around at full speed for a session or two just to wear them down a mm to resemble Classic Full shapes.


In saying all that, what would be your preferred size Classic Full wheel?

I really only have lots of 56 and 58 mm sizes in natural colour, with maybe one or two green 54mm Lance Mountain editions, which most people either love or hate, but from other people asking about wheels previously, they would either cost US $50 and take a month surface mail, or US $70 and get there in a few days by express, which is totally not worth the cost or the wait.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 26, 2023, 05:59:41 PM
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You might see radial slims again someday but the trend is big wide wheels.
The confusion with pricing can be summed up like this, wheel prices did go up, it’s a lot of work(meaning on our site I would have to update every product individually as our site is pretty basic) and frankly kind of dickish to go back to product you got for cheaper and raise the price. F4’s have gone up at wholesale $3-4 a set, I still feel guilty raising prices but I had to.
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I work, and have worked, in some very different than skateshop industries (restaurants and construction mainly). In both of my main careers, most everyone had the money to sit on the bar stool, or commission the building of a custom home. It was difficult for me to drop some tabs in front of people at the bar, and it’s difficult for my bosses to do invoicing for their clients, particularly as those bosses have aged, gained wealth, and feel like their clients are peers.
Skateshop work would drive me nuts. Many skaters have championed a fairly shitty ethos where they’ll beg poor, and then spend their money in seemingly selfish ways. Trying to juggle that, and apply some type of sliding scale to the ‘homies’ would drive me towards some toxic thought. So as always, salute.
Raise those prices! Don’t feel bad. I’d rather there be a shop I can come to, and bother people, pick decks up and ramble about concave, sniff shoes, whatever my weird ass is up to that day. Please don’t feel bad. Capitalism is shitty



I feel for anyone working in a small skate shop environment, given most shops are always doing it tough, but increasingly more so right now than ever before.

There have been so many people over the years who always have their hand out for free or cheap deals and the bottom line with this crowd is they never accept the RRP and the fact that a shop has to pay rent, wages, wholesale costs, etc which are fixed no matter what discount they end up getting, as well as always come back wanting more and want to pay less.  This is also the same crowd that, more often than not, they are the ones going out drinking, buying weed or whatever.

Long story short, these are the people who you can do without, or if they are unreasonable even when explaining some things to them like the last paragraph, I have found it better to say in the nicest possible way "I just can't help you.  That's the price, take it or leave it."

Sure I have lost some business along the way, but I have also lost the most painful customers who never really put anything much back into the business, so I didn't really lose out in the long run.

That's my two cents worth anyway.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on February 26, 2023, 06:02:43 PM
I think a classic full will be coming soon, Lance and Salba haven’t had wheels in a bit and they both ride em.
I think having the word slim in the name is a deterrent to most customers, I see it a lot where certain things are triggers and will just turn people off of a product.
We sell f4 classics decent, I would say the archetype of skater who buys them is late 20s and not really comfortable sizing above an 8 wide board. Conical full, radial full and standard radial dominate our sales, tablets have a little fan base too but it’s pretty niche here.
when you go to the skatepark probably 70% are riding at least 55s. That Evan smith conical full in black sold really well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on February 26, 2023, 06:07:24 PM
And the kids here are pretty broke, living off Depop come ups so a couple bucks is a big deal. I’d rather they be skating and our margins suffering, it makes for a healthy and diverse skate scene and in the long run that means we get to stay in business.

All I gotta do is check out the sale gear topic and see how much most people don’t even consider where they spend their money, as long as they get it for dirt cheap. It’s a tough business and I don’t blame anyone for looking out for themselves. Big ups to the skaters that step back and think about it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 26, 2023, 06:37:35 PM
I think a classic full will be coming soon, Lance and Salba haven’t had wheels in a bit and they both ride em.
I think having the word slim in the name is a deterrent to most customers, I see it a lot where certain things are triggers and will just turn people off of a product.
We sell f4 classics decent, I would say the archetype of skater who buys them is late 20s and not really comfortable sizing above an 8 wide board. Conical full, radial full and standard radial dominate our sales, tablets have a little fan base too but it’s pretty niche here.
when you go to the skatepark probably 70% are riding at least 55s. That Evan smith conical full in black sold really well.

53mm Classics on a DLX 8.25/14.38 is my jam.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on February 26, 2023, 07:48:06 PM
And the kids here are pretty broke, living off Depop come ups so a couple bucks is a big deal. I’d rather they be skating and our margins suffering, it makes for a healthy and diverse skate scene and in the long run that means we get to stay in business.

All I gotta do is check out the sale gear topic and see how much most people don’t even consider where they spend their money, as long as they get it for dirt cheap. It’s a tough business and I don’t blame anyone for looking out for themselves. Big ups to the skaters that step back and think about it.

This is an incredibly kind way for you to look at it.

I’ve seen the behavior @Mbrimson88 is talking about, sooooo many times, and I’ve absolutely let it get the best of me.

I’ve got some 56 radial fulls, they don’t say f4 for on them…I’ve yet to set them up. They looked cool, so bought them, now they look comical fulls. I consider 55, and up, to be a big wheel. It’s definitely the trend these days. Maybe I should start skating for distance again, that tends to help me like big wheels
I’ve considered getting the regular formula bigheads many times, just don’t see them very often at shops.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on February 26, 2023, 08:44:26 PM
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You might see radial slims again someday but the trend is big wide wheels.
The confusion with pricing can be summed up like this, wheel prices did go up, it’s a lot of work(meaning on our site I would have to update every product individually as our site is pretty basic) and frankly kind of dickish to go back to product you got for cheaper and raise the price. F4’s have gone up at wholesale $3-4 a set, I still feel guilty raising prices but I had to.
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I work, and have worked, in some very different than skateshop industries (restaurants and construction mainly). In both of my main careers, most everyone had the money to sit on the bar stool, or commission the building of a custom home. It was difficult for me to drop some tabs in front of people at the bar, and it’s difficult for my bosses to do invoicing for their clients, particularly as those bosses have aged, gained wealth, and feel like their clients are peers.
Skateshop work would drive me nuts. Many skaters have championed a fairly shitty ethos where they’ll beg poor, and then spend their money in seemingly selfish ways. Trying to juggle that, and apply some type of sliding scale to the ‘homies’ would drive me towards some toxic thought. So as always, salute.
Raise those prices! Don’t feel bad. I’d rather there be a shop I can come to, and bother people, pick decks up and ramble about concave, sniff shoes, whatever my weird ass is up to that day. Please don’t feel bad. Capitalism is shitty
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Long story short, these are the people who you can do without, or if they are unreasonable even when explaining some things to them like the last paragraph, I have found it better to say in the nicest possible way "I just can't help you.  That's the price, take it or leave it."


"Our prices are competitive and aligned with the market, you're welcome to do your own market research to verify this"

Then add a passive aggressive smiling emoji at the end.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 26, 2023, 09:16:19 PM
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You might see radial slims again someday but the trend is big wide wheels.
The confusion with pricing can be summed up like this, wheel prices did go up, it’s a lot of work(meaning on our site I would have to update every product individually as our site is pretty basic) and frankly kind of dickish to go back to product you got for cheaper and raise the price. F4’s have gone up at wholesale $3-4 a set, I still feel guilty raising prices but I had to.
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I work, and have worked, in some very different than skateshop industries (restaurants and construction mainly). In both of my main careers, most everyone had the money to sit on the bar stool, or commission the building of a custom home. It was difficult for me to drop some tabs in front of people at the bar, and it’s difficult for my bosses to do invoicing for their clients, particularly as those bosses have aged, gained wealth, and feel like their clients are peers.
Skateshop work would drive me nuts. Many skaters have championed a fairly shitty ethos where they’ll beg poor, and then spend their money in seemingly selfish ways. Trying to juggle that, and apply some type of sliding scale to the ‘homies’ would drive me towards some toxic thought. So as always, salute.
Raise those prices! Don’t feel bad. I’d rather there be a shop I can come to, and bother people, pick decks up and ramble about concave, sniff shoes, whatever my weird ass is up to that day. Please don’t feel bad. Capitalism is shitty
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Long story short, these are the people who you can do without, or if they are unreasonable even when explaining some things to them like the last paragraph, I have found it better to say in the nicest possible way "I just can't help you.  That's the price, take it or leave it."

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"Our prices are competitive and aligned with the market, you're welcome to do your own market research to verify this"

Then add a passive aggressive smiling emoji at the end.


I guess the difference in overall attitude with some people is so obvious, but some of the most talented skateboarders are also the same people who can never afford rent on time, or even just budget for basics.

When it comes down to it, I have often said it and followed through, that I would rather give away skate product to kids or people who cannot afford it but are so clearly stoked on skateboarding, than have the usual stoner dropout come at me and haggle a few dollars discount for something that they often don't even need under the circumstances.

There was one guy who would get wasted and lose his skateboard on a regular basis, so his mates were always helping him out with things when he couldn't buy a new setup, then would suddenly have the bright shiny new everything if a "payment" came in for him or whatever and we wouldn't see him for a month or more until the cycle repeated again.


I am stoked on people who are stoked on skateboarding, as they are the ones who will still be around and still be rolling, so to me it is worth helping those people, just not some others, so I can pick and choose in that regard, even if it comes across as being a bit of an ass at times, as per my previous post on it.


Sorry for derailing the Spitfire thread, but yeah there are some good ones on the way, so I am told.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on February 27, 2023, 12:24:02 PM
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Anyone know where I might be able to score some Classic Full?
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Titus still has them in 54 and 52

www.skatedeluxe.com has them too. In 52, 53, 54.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on February 28, 2023, 01:45:25 AM
Anyone know where I might be able to score some Classic Full?

i can't say where if you are in the US
But the F4 Classic Full Repeater seems to be mislabelled as classic here (France) when i ordered them from the distributor
Got them at the shop and you find legitimately "Classic Full" on the packaging

these wheels:
https://www.paradeworld.com/products/repeater-classic-full-formula-four-wheels-99a-54mm-42-6889927934031/ (https://www.paradeworld.com/products/repeater-classic-full-formula-four-wheels-99a-54mm-42-6889927934031/)

edit: sorry i'm late
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on February 28, 2023, 06:49:21 AM
got myself a new deck to skate and for some reason im having wheel madness.  i have a worn down pair of 54mm classics, a brand new set of 52mm OG classics, and some 54mm radial slims.  all are f4 99s.  i skate classics usually, ive skated conicals and conical fulls but never the OG classics in f4, and ive never tried radial slims.  i'm thinking about trying the radials as like a sort of middle ground but not really lol.  any opinions?
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Post by: BALARGUE on February 28, 2023, 06:57:42 AM
I do think conical full and og classics pretty much feel the same (conical full have a rounder edge and smaller contact patch though but the difference is not that big)

Radial slim is a thinner wheel, rounded edge similar to og classics. I would say they are the perfect middle ground between classic and og classic/conical full

see for yourself hé

feedback based on my experience with these 3 shapes and having them brand new in front of me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on February 28, 2023, 07:22:13 AM
Also as an observation in the past couple videos from limosine, frog, Daniel dent, wknd they skate crust. The kids here are way more interested in finding something weird to ride on grind/drop in than skate the ledge spot. Big wide wheels facilitate that.
They always go with the kids. Not the 30somethings with board madness. The wide wheel trend will continue for a while.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: elegant_fox on February 28, 2023, 12:57:01 PM
I just picked up some f4 classics in 53mm/101a and I’m enjoying them a lot more than I expected to. I got them for a lighter and smaller street setup since I’m normally on 56mm+.

They are noticeably slower on anything that isn’t glassy, but it’s not unbearable and they have great feel for a hard wheel.
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Post by: Xen on February 28, 2023, 01:07:13 PM
I just picked up some f4 classics in 53mm/101a and I’m enjoying them a lot more than I expected to. I got them for a lighter and smaller street setup since I’m normally on 56mm+.

They are noticeably slower on anything that isn’t glassy, but it’s not unbearable and they have great feel for a hard wheel.

Once you get used to F4s it's pretty tough switching out to anything else.
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Post by: elegant_fox on February 28, 2023, 01:16:23 PM
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I just picked up some f4 classics in 53mm/101a and I’m enjoying them a lot more than I expected to. I got them for a lighter and smaller street setup since I’m normally on 56mm+.

They are noticeably slower on anything that isn’t glassy, but it’s not unbearable and they have great feel for a hard wheel.
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Once you get used to F4s it's pretty tough switching out to anything else.

Yeah, I could see that becoming a thing once you’ve got things on lock. Right now I’m rotating between Bones x97, dragons, and F4.

I had been chilling the F4s since they hurt to skate, but I’ve since fixed my pop to not be as jarring and added cupsoles, so they’re back on the menu now. Only drawback is they’re not great skate to spot wheels.
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Post by: Xen on February 28, 2023, 03:46:45 PM
Don't get me wrong, I love the way x97s skate, but they are very very spot specific wheel for me. If I can skate an f4 99 I will.

Totally agree, x97s are perfect for skating spot to spot. If I'm driving to something that f4s can handle that's what I'll use (unless its crust then I'll bring the x97s).

Shape-wise the V5 and classics are close enough where they don't feel different other than the rebound/speed on certain terrain.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on March 06, 2023, 11:34:39 AM
New Max Palmer Spitfire's  8)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CpdWxmoPyhm/
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Post by: goodatmeth on March 07, 2023, 05:22:38 AM
New Max Palmer Spitfire's  8)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CpdWxmoPyhm/

Are those just conical fulls? They look kind of extra full. Conical obese
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on March 07, 2023, 06:00:37 AM
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New Max Palmer Spitfire's  8)

https://www.instagram.com/p/CpdWxmoPyhm/
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Are those just conical fulls? They look kind of extra full. Conical obese

I thought they looked a bit extra chonky too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on March 07, 2023, 06:38:12 AM
hoping these are 97a!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 07, 2023, 07:12:33 AM
No they’re 99.
Conical full 53,55
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Post by: rawbertson. on March 07, 2023, 07:52:03 AM
No they’re 99.
Conical full 53,55

i figured. even if 97 is more likely what max would ride i think 99a is what most consumers want in their wheel.
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Post by: goodatmeth on March 07, 2023, 11:04:37 AM
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Conical full 53,55
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i figured. even if 97 is more likely what max would ride i think 99a is what most consumers want in their wheel.

Is he actually riding the 97a? That would be a major ad for the wheels. Seems like he's sliding/grinding too well for that, but I'm sure he could pull it off somehow
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on March 07, 2023, 11:33:46 AM
i have no idea what he actually rides. I am a fan but i dont know his skating as well as i know others either. he can likely get by with 99a where he is at so that also just makes sense too. Reynolds definitely has said before on the 9 club he rides 97a. I am pretty sure most GX1000 guys are also on 97a. Jeff Carlyle's wheel was a 97a. you can tell by how they slow down on their powerslides that they are a little grippier than 99s.

What I have heard as well is most skaters just ride whatever they are given , they dont have a hell of a lot of say in things like wheels and trucks. just the shape+size  (not the graphic / colours though). If you wax the spot a fuck ton, the soft duro of the wheel doesnt even matter. i have slid miles on 58mm 95a before once i lathered on the wax. i do think having harder duro is more condusive for it though 100%
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shpongle on March 08, 2023, 09:04:18 AM
I’ll probably just keep rocking them. I can’t feel anything different when I skate them. I wanted to try a wider wheel which why I got them. I still have my classics if I need to switch back. Thanks!

Noticed the exact same thing on mines last night lol. I think it might be from this homemade diy metal ledge that has a sharp edge and rips chunks off my wheels. My only hypothesis as to what happened.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on March 16, 2023, 06:20:18 AM
I'm really getting into the weeds here, but do y'all compensate your wheel size based on shapes if you change?


I'm usually a Classics guy and have gone up to 55mm without any issues, but I just bought some 54mm Conical Fulls and I feel like I'm riding a goddamn monster truck. They're comfy to cruise on but popping anything is such a chore. This is probably a dumb question but I try to not think too hard about this stuff until I have a bad sesh lol. Might just go buy some Classics after work and never change again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on March 16, 2023, 06:43:35 AM
i really need to try classics
i am just so used to conical full at this point i honestly dont evne know what anything else feels like
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Post by: El Freegano on March 16, 2023, 07:00:44 AM
I used to skate classics starting from 54 and love then when they 51 with wider contact patch. Now i wanted to get something 52 coz i went on lower trucks and was inbetween trying conical full, but i like the round edge and by accident i ordered classic full (which i thought were classic). I havent tried them yet, but i like the fact they are small diameter and with wider contact patch. I think radials will be good too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on March 16, 2023, 07:19:24 AM
I try different shapes but always come back to Classics. Conical Fulls are great for crusty spots and transition, so I use them on 8.5”+.

I’m about to set up some 52mm Radial Slims for the first time on my main board by the weekend. Hopefully, I don’t like them better than Classics because they’re not being produced at the moment.

F4 Classic Fulls and F4 OG Classics are on my to-try list but I may have missed the opportunity to buy them domestically.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on March 16, 2023, 07:42:34 AM
i really need to try classics
i am just so used to conical full at this point i honestly dont evne know what anything else feels like

I'm really getting into the weeds here, but do y'all compensate your wheel size based on shapes if you change?


I'm usually a Classics guy and have gone up to 55mm without any issues, but I just bought some 54mm Conical Fulls and I feel like I'm riding a goddamn monster truck. They're comfy to cruise on but popping anything is such a chore. This is probably a dumb question but I try to not think too hard about this stuff until I have a bad sesh lol. Might just go buy some Classics after work and never change again.

Classics are the best, for me anyway.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on March 16, 2023, 07:58:45 AM
I would like to know, who is actaully riding Tablets? Shane O'Neil? Is this wheel made for like Dave Mayhew Storm Era skateboarding?

It seems like Radials are a good in between of Conical Full and Classics. Because there is less riding surface, that would indicate to me that it would be a little easier to put the board up on 2 wheels. for the type of skating I do, I probably am not benefitting much from having conical fulls. its probably adding a decent amount of weight to my wheels too that i dont need.

do the wheel shapes affect wheelbite at all do you think? being able to go on the side of the wheel more, does that prevent biting more?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 16, 2023, 07:59:59 AM
Wheel shape absolutely impacts wheel bite potential.
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Post by: backside_frontside on March 16, 2023, 08:07:01 AM
do the wheel shapes affect wheelbite at all do you think? being able to go on the side of the wheel more, does that prevent biting more?

I've ridden classic, conical, radial and they all wheelbite. So I'd say nah.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 16, 2023, 08:48:39 AM
Of course it does, a wider. squarer wheel will provide more surface area for the deck to hit.

All other things being the same (wheel height, truck and deck size) a classic will have a lower amount of wheel bite potential than conical full.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on March 16, 2023, 09:06:27 AM
Of course it does, a wider. squarer wheel will provide more surface area for the deck to hit.

All other things being the same (wheel height, truck and deck size) a classic will have a lower amount of wheel bite potential than conical full.
The wheelbite from Classics tend to be deeper with a smaller diameter compared to Conical Full which is the opposite. [I mainly skate Thunder Hollow Lights with Team baseplates. YMMV]
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on March 16, 2023, 09:37:15 AM
Wheel shape absolutely impacts wheel bite potential.

True

Classics dont bite as easily as raddials/conical/fulls because they are more narrow

And when they do bite, its not as hard because the edges are so round
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on March 16, 2023, 09:47:45 AM
I skate loose Thunders so wheelbite is sorta inevitable for me, but it is noticeably more jarring on my Conical Fulls.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on March 16, 2023, 02:24:41 PM
I'm really getting into the weeds here, but do y'all compensate your wheel size based on shapes if you change?


I'm usually a Classics guy and have gone up to 55mm without any issues, but I just bought some 54mm Conical Fulls and I feel like I'm riding a goddamn monster truck. They're comfy to cruise on but popping anything is such a chore. This is probably a dumb question but I try to not think too hard about this stuff until I have a bad sesh lol. Might just go buy some Classics after work and never change again.



Update: ended up grabbing some Classics after work and skating a bit. Instantly felt better. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, I guess.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 16, 2023, 05:57:51 PM
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I'm really getting into the weeds here, but do y'all compensate your wheel size based on shapes if you change?


I'm usually a Classics guy and have gone up to 55mm without any issues, but I just bought some 54mm Conical Fulls and I feel like I'm riding a goddamn monster truck. They're comfy to cruise on but popping anything is such a chore. This is probably a dumb question but I try to not think too hard about this stuff until I have a bad sesh lol. Might just go buy some Classics after work and never change again.
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Update: ended up grabbing some Classics after work and skating a bit. Instantly felt better. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, I guess.


Did you get 54 mm Classics?


It's a funny thing that I would rather ride Classics, but I do like worn down Conical Full that I take the edges off for smaller all round wheels.  From new I like the Classic shape, especially as a 56 mm wheel for transition stuff, but they are a bit big for everything if I am skating smaller curbs or whatever.  Nice too when they have worn down a few mm.

A set of 54 mm Conical Full wheels from new feel a bit big, which is weird cause 56 mm Classics feel easier.


I had been able to get a whole lot of Classic 56 mm wheels for cheap on a big sale, so I am working my way through them.  It is going to take a while though.

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Post by: Plan9Customs on March 16, 2023, 07:20:08 PM
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Wheel shape absolutely impacts wheel bite potential.
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True

Classics dont bite as easily as raddials/conical/fulls because they are more narrow

And when they do bite, its not as hard because the edges are so round

Correct.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 16, 2023, 07:39:27 PM
I like a wider contact patch on 54s and smaller in 58s. But my favorite is wearing down a Classic 58. The amount the contact patch on a classic gets wider as it wears down is perfect. I've taken a few sets of 58s to 50mm. BY the time a 58 becomes a 54 it's looks just like a classic full.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 16, 2023, 07:54:31 PM
I’ll chime in and probably reheat what others have already said: classics wheelbite the least for me. Classics do feel like what I think a skateboard wheel should feel like. I ride smaller wheels, in general. Usually a 52 ish wheel.
Currently I’m really into some 52 mm conical full 101s. The shape does decent on rough ground, and after breaking in, the 101 isn’t so bad (I need help with slides, lots of help, and these are a little easier to slide).
Conical full 54s and up feel jacked to me. Just so heavy. I just skated some 56 mm radial fulls, huge, but I prefer the shape to larger conical fulls.
Tablets skate good and look weird.
I want to try og classics, smaller sizes of radials…basically smaller, but wider wheels, with a rounded shape. 54 is my usual ceiling.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on March 16, 2023, 09:18:08 PM
...but I just bought some 54mm Conical Fulls and I feel like I'm riding a goddamn monster truck. They're comfy to cruise on but popping anything is such a chore.

That's because the conical full trend is almost as dumb as the tiny wheel trend of the early 90s. Connie Fulls are good for crust and transition. Absent that, cast them to flame. They are called "Classics" for a reason (and yes, they wheelbite far less). :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 17, 2023, 03:50:16 AM
What would the pals advice if I want to flip my board on really crusty ground? Bigger diameter wheel or wider riding surface? I am currently on 52 regular Conicals. Before that it was always 54 Classics, but they don't work that well for the kind of spots I like to ride.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 17, 2023, 04:32:57 AM
What would the pals advice if I want to flip my board on really crusty ground? Bigger diameter wheel or wider riding surface? I am currently on 52 regular Conicals. Before that it was always 54 Classics, but they don't work that well for the kind of spots I like to ride.


Conical Full are only a mm or so wider all up than Conicals for the same diameter, so at 53 or even 54 they are still not too big overall, especially compared to the 55 or 56 mm sizes, but anything like that might still feel a touch too big if you are not used to it.

The good thing is Conical Full wheels are usually very easily available in 52, 53 and 54 mm sizes, so maybe even a 53 mm size might be one to try first, unless you can get that set from @pizzafliptofakie

Just a thought anyway.


One guy I skate with only skates Conical Full 54 mm wheels and will swap them out when they are 52 mm or bigger, so I do a trade deal with him to recycle his old ones, which I think are great for all rounders.

He does a lot of flip tricks and has no problem with those wheels for anything, so I would say it is just down to what you are used to more than anything.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 17, 2023, 04:50:00 AM
Thanks @Mbrimson88

I think it will be 52 Conical Fulls then sometime in the future. I won't do 53 or 55, but that is a completely different topic.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on March 17, 2023, 05:20:40 AM
Thanks @Mbrimson88

I think it will be 52 Conical Fulls then sometime in the future. I won't do 53 or 55, but that is a completely different topic.

I was going to also suggest the 53mm 99a Radials, which seem to be around right now. They have same width as Connie Fulls, but a slightly narrower riding surface. The more curved cut of radials makes them a tad better to get flip tricks started...but if you're not fucking with 53mm... 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bill Salt on March 17, 2023, 05:26:05 AM
STF beat em up good
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on March 17, 2023, 05:28:11 AM
STF beat em up good

Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pizzafliptofakie on March 17, 2023, 05:32:10 AM
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I'm really getting into the weeds here, but do y'all compensate your wheel size based on shapes if you change?


I'm usually a Classics guy and have gone up to 55mm without any issues, but I just bought some 54mm Conical Fulls and I feel like I'm riding a goddamn monster truck. They're comfy to cruise on but popping anything is such a chore. This is probably a dumb question but I try to not think too hard about this stuff until I have a bad sesh lol. Might just go buy some Classics after work and never change again.
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Update: ended up grabbing some Classics after work and skating a bit. Instantly felt better. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, I guess.
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Did you get 54 mm Classics?


It's a funny thing that I would rather ride Classics, but I do like worn down Conical Full that I take the edges off for smaller all round wheels.  From new I like the Classic shape, especially as a 56 mm wheel for transition stuff, but they are a bit big for everything if I am skating smaller curbs or whatever.  Nice too when they have worn down a few mm.

A set of 54 mm Conical Full wheels from new feel a bit big, which is weird cause 56 mm Classics feel easier.


I had been able to get a whole lot of Classic 56 mm wheels for cheap on a big sale, so I am working my way through them.  It is going to take a while though.

I got 53 mm Classics. On paper only a millimeter difference but as I was swapping them I set the two wheels side by side and the difference was jarring. That surface area really makes a difference.


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That's because the conical full trend is almost as dumb as the tiny wheel trend of the early 90s. Connie Fulls are good for crust and transition. Absent that, cast them to flame. They are called "Classics" for a reason (and yes, they wheelbite far less). :)



That's kind of the funny thing is that sounds right up my alley. Transition felt okay enough on them but they felt a little less precise when it came to locking my truck onto coping. I know the theory is that the flat end is supposed to lock in better but with how wide they are I feel like I needed a lot more oomph to get into certain tricks.



thx for humoring my gear madness y'all  ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on March 23, 2023, 05:37:09 AM
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0619/0868/0862/products/sf-cp-wh-f4-99-apocalypse-radials_1200x.jpg?v=1679261485)

When was the last time Spitfire did .5 mm wheels? They have 99 duro Radials in 55.5 mm and 57.5 mm (although the stock photo shows 53.5 mm). Someone in the past week or two posted a photo of a garage sale board with 48.5 mm wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roll_dog on March 23, 2023, 06:57:35 AM
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...but I just bought some 54mm Conical Fulls and I feel like I'm riding a goddamn monster truck. They're comfy to cruise on but popping anything is such a chore.
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That's because the conical full trend is almost as dumb as the tiny wheel trend of the early 90s. Connie Fulls are good for crust and transition. Absent that, cast them to flame. They are called "Classics" for a reason (and yes, they wheelbite far less). :)

As an alternative, I am a big fan of the regular conicals, which always seem ignored for some reason.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on March 23, 2023, 07:14:22 AM
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...but I just bought some 54mm Conical Fulls and I feel like I'm riding a goddamn monster truck. They're comfy to cruise on but popping anything is such a chore.
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That's because the conical full trend is almost as dumb as the tiny wheel trend of the early 90s. Connie Fulls are good for crust and transition. Absent that, cast them to flame. They are called "Classics" for a reason (and yes, they wheelbite far less). :)
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As an alternative, I am a big fan of the regular conicals, which always seem ignored for some reason.

I am bewildered that regular Connies are overlooked to the extent they are (not to mention Radial/Radial Slim).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roll_dog on March 23, 2023, 08:59:28 AM
Yeah it makes no sense to me that the clunky conical fulls are the default for some reason. Regs conicals have that great roll and grabby lock in you want from conicals without the absurd size.
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Post by: fulfillthedream on March 23, 2023, 09:09:02 AM
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...but I just bought some 54mm Conical Fulls and I feel like I'm riding a goddamn monster truck. They're comfy to cruise on but popping anything is such a chore.
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That's because the conical full trend is almost as dumb as the tiny wheel trend of the early 90s. Connie Fulls are good for crust and transition. Absent that, cast them to flame. They are called "Classics" for a reason (and yes, they wheelbite far less). :)
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As an alternative, I am a big fan of the regular conicals, which always seem ignored for some reason.
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I am bewildered that regular Connies are overlooked to the extent they are (not to mention Radial/Radial Slim).

I am currently riding the regular Conicals and i love them. im a big classic shape guy but these work SO good. I got a brand new set of 54mm F4 Classics I wanna trade
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on March 23, 2023, 10:44:22 AM
Gods I'm currently in a dilemma. I got my trucks taken away from me a month ago and they had my 55mm OG Classics. Now its fucking impossible to get those in that size or any size for that matter. Now my local only has Classics in 55-56 and has Conicals, Conical Fulls and Tablets in 54mm. Should I get Classics or go down 1mm and get regular squared off wheels? I'm a big doer of the pinch for transition and ledge skating and am wondering if it will be affected much if I go to classic shapes again? I think Im kind of overthinking it but hey some product talk never hurt anyone
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sharkin on March 23, 2023, 10:58:17 AM
regular conicals i'd say are your next best if you're after OG classics

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on March 23, 2023, 12:09:14 PM
Gods I'm currently in a dilemma. I got my trucks taken away from me a month ago and they had my 55mm OG Classics. Now its fucking impossible to get those in that size or any size for that matter. Now my local only has Classics in 55-56 and has Conicals, Conical Fulls and Tablets in 54mm. Should I get Classics or go down 1mm and get regular squared off wheels? I'm a big doer of the pinch for transition and ledge skating and am wondering if it will be affected much if I go to classic shapes again? I think Im kind of overthinking it but hey some product talk never hurt anyone

That's funny. IMHO, Classics work much better for pinch because you can utilize the rounded off sidecut more to your advantage than a sharper angle. To each their own.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on March 23, 2023, 12:28:50 PM
Gods I'm currently in a dilemma. I got my trucks taken away from me a month ago and they had my 55mm OG Classics. Now its fucking impossible to get those in that size or any size for that matter. Now my local only has Classics in 55-56 and has Conicals, Conical Fulls and Tablets in 54mm. Should I get Classics or go down 1mm and get regular squared off wheels? I'm a big doer of the pinch for transition and ledge skating and am wondering if it will be affected much if I go to classic shapes again? I think Im kind of overthinking it but hey some product talk never hurt anyone

regular conicals i'd say are your next best if you're after OG classics

I second @sharkin

but round ass classics are tight  8)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 23, 2023, 05:11:40 PM

When was the last time Spitfire did .5 mm wheels? They have 99 duro Radials in 55.5 mm and 57.5 mm (although the stock photo shows 53.5 mm). Someone in the past week or two posted a photo of a garage sale board with 48.5 mm wheels.


I think they do them with .5 sizes from time to time, more so just as something fun, but who knows.

Someone else had said a while back it was when their finishing machine was out .5 mm but it takes a while to do all the graphics and other things, so it wouldn't be that easy just to change things up or whatever with some mistake or manufacturing issue.



On another note, Australian shops now have the new drop of wheels, including the Evan Smith mismatched colour box set, which has officially maxed out the highest price I have ever seen normal new Spitfire Formula Four wheels in this country at $99 and they are selling fast too.



https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/spitfire-f4-evan-smith-visions-conical-full-55mm-99a-skateboard-wheels


SPITFIRE - F4 EVAN SMITH VISIONS CONICAL FULL 55MM 99A SKATEBOARD WHEELS
$99.00

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: cheekclapper on March 23, 2023, 05:56:02 PM
does anyone know what makes formula fours turn so yellow? I personally like how yellow they turn but is it just the air, dirt getting soaked it, water, or wax?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 23, 2023, 06:08:04 PM
does anyone know what makes formula fours turn so yellow? I personally like how yellow they turn but is it just the air, dirt getting soaked it, water, or wax?

i always assumed it was the result of less dye, making them closer to urethane's natural color. i personally can't stand bright white wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 23, 2023, 06:23:01 PM
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does anyone know what makes formula fours turn so yellow? I personally like how yellow they turn but is it just the air, dirt getting soaked it, water, or wax?
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i always assumed it was the result of less dye, making them closer to urethane's natural color. i personally can't stand bright white wheels.


I could be wrong, but I think it is more to do with light, eg uv light on half a wheel will always turn out more yellowed than on the part that is still covered by the cardboard or sticker in packaging in shop counters or on display.

As the urethane cures too, it changes colour, so even the whitest wheels can still colour fade in the better compounds of urethane.

Natural urethane is not at all white in colour, more translucent milky cream that darkens over time, but some wheels will darken a whole lot more than others too.

Just one of those things.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 23, 2023, 08:26:50 PM
Sure but if that’s the case all wheels would yellow or brown as quick as F4S. F4s seem to yellow or brown a little quicker.  Some F4s are even brownish to start with. I just assumed it’s bc it’s a purer urethane with less white dye.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 23, 2023, 08:51:19 PM
Sure but if that’s the case all wheels would yellow or brown as quick as F4S. F4s seem to yellow or brown a little quicker.  Some F4s are even brownish to start with. I just assumed it’s bc it’s a purer urethane with less white dye.


I am with you on that one - different compounds and additives give them different colouring from go and then they change colour in different ways over their shelf life.

Yes less white dye or no colour additives at all in the Formula Four wheels, some lighter than others right from day one too, even some stay light in colour whereas others really darken a lot more.


:)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on March 24, 2023, 05:56:43 AM
does anyone know what makes formula fours turn so yellow? I personally like how yellow they turn but is it just the air, dirt getting soaked it, water, or wax?
All of the above contribute to oxidation. They all turn yellow, or oxidize, eventually.
(https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0079670018302995-fx1.jpg)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0079670018302995 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0079670018302995)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on March 24, 2023, 07:10:21 AM
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When was the last time Spitfire did .5 mm wheels? They have 99 duro Radials in 55.5 mm and 57.5 mm (although the stock photo shows 53.5 mm). Someone in the past week or two posted a photo of a garage sale board with 48.5 mm wheels.
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I think they do them with .5 sizes from time to time, more so just as something fun, but who knows.

Someone else had said a while back it was when their finishing machine was out .5 mm but it takes a while to do all the graphics and other things, so it wouldn't be that easy just to change things up or whatever with some mistake or manufacturing issue.



On another note, Australian shops now have the new drop of wheels, including the Evan Smith mismatched colour box set, which has officially maxed out the highest price I have ever seen normal new Spitfire Formula Four wheels in this country at $99 and they are selling fast too.



https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/products/spitfire-f4-evan-smith-visions-conical-full-55mm-99a-skateboard-wheels


SPITFIRE - F4 EVAN SMITH VISIONS CONICAL FULL 55MM 99A SKATEBOARD WHEELS
$99.00

well, they are very unique + cool looking wheels, AND you get a cool box with it too though, so...  8)  ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 24, 2023, 08:14:06 AM
This is purely anecdotal and likely just my perception but when I get a set of potato brown F4s, they seem to do everything we love about F4s but just a little bit better.

 I'm out of my mind but I get irrationally stoked on the potato brown.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: cheekclapper on March 24, 2023, 01:38:06 PM
can anyone that has ridden the 97a F4 explain how it changed the ride compared to the 99a? Are powerslides stickier, does it help with bumps? I like bombing hills and I skate around my crusty college campus so Im wondering if this is worth the investment.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on March 24, 2023, 01:45:43 PM
can anyone that has ridden the 97a F4 explain how it changed the ride compared to the 99a? Are powerslides stickier, does it help with bumps? I like bombing hills and I skate around my crusty college campus so Im wondering if this is worth the investment.

Slower. More "sticky." Better for crust, but only for crust. Ever have those dreams where you are running, but it's like slow-motion, and your fighting just to move? That is 97a on anything but serious crust. I was in Texas last fall. Skated a vert ramp, street, and ditches. I had 101a, 99a, and 97a with me for each, and man, did each shine in its respective area, and suck in the others.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LukodaLurker on March 24, 2023, 01:57:51 PM
can anyone that has ridden the 97a F4 explain how it changed the ride compared to the 99a? Are powerslides stickier, does it help with bumps? I like bombing hills and I skate around my crusty college campus so Im wondering if this is worth the investment.

I'm currently on the 97a F4 Conical Fulls but thats because I like to ride a set up that I feel like I can do everything on without having to change things out for spots all the time. They are stickier than a 99 or 101 for sure but if you're bombing hills and skating around a crusty spots I think you'd enjoy them and then just get used to the feel of them over time for all your other skateboarding needs. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: buggot on March 25, 2023, 09:21:57 AM
Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tom on March 25, 2023, 11:53:52 AM
Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol

Swirly blues

https://thepremierstore.com/products/formula-four-99-swirled-classic-wheel-52mm?_pos=51&_sid=3fc41f096&_ss=r

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WideFeet on March 26, 2023, 05:42:49 PM
Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol

Some new ones just dropped. Looks like a swirl of pink and teal
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: buggot on March 26, 2023, 05:43:44 PM
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Some new ones just dropped. Looks like a swirl of pink and teal

Got a pic?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WideFeet on March 26, 2023, 05:46:31 PM
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Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
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Some new ones just dropped. Looks like a swirl of pink and teal
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Got a pic?

It’s on their Instagram. Sorry, I don’t know how to imbed
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2023, 06:20:42 PM
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Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
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Some new ones just dropped. Looks like a swirl of pink and teal
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Got a pic?
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It’s on their Instagram. Sorry, I don’t know how to imbed


Swirly blues

https://thepremierstore.com/products/formula-four-99-swirled-classic-wheel-52mm?_pos=51&_sid=3fc41f096&_ss=r



Not these same wheels in teal / purple that Tom posted the link for?



Spitfire Catalog link to the most recent coloured wheels which are still out in shops:

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall-2022/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall22/sf-fl-22-d1-swirled-classic-06.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 26, 2023, 06:34:22 PM
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Copied from the wheels thread, as I thought it would be relevant here anyway.



If anyone from DLX looks at this page, I want a Conical Slim shape wheels. Please and thank you!


I would say this is better answered in the Spitfire Formula Four thread, but what size would you like to have?  Both diameter and width?

The Conical 52 mm wheels are only 31 mm wide, which is pretty narrow, the 54mm barely over 32mm wide as well, so I am just wondering really what dimensions you would want?

You can use this as a reference for sizes, etc:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


You would most likely be one of the many people who would ride Radial Slims just going by the stock dimensions of those wheels, which really are almost the same shape and just a bit thinner than Conical wheels, certainly no more in weight or how they perform.

I have used an angle grinder on Conical wheels to thin out the profile before for other Slap pals, as well as doing that on older Conical Full wheels to give a more rounded lip as I prefer Classics that have worn down a bit, so it wouldn't be too hard to make something work from their existing range in a shape you prefer.

Just a thought anyway.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on March 26, 2023, 06:35:52 PM
Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
These F4 99 52 swirls also just came out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on March 27, 2023, 08:27:00 AM
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Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
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These F4 99 52 swirls also just came out
The Chromas are a couple seasons old but come in solid yellow if tie-dye isn’t appealing:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0028/6756/0494/products/303StudioSession-2627_490x.progressive.jpg?v=1649194808)
https://www.303boards.com/products/spitfire-99-formula-4-chroma-classic-yellow-wheels-52mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on March 27, 2023, 08:47:51 AM
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If anyone from DLX looks at this page, I want a Conical Slim shape wheels. Please and thank you!
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I would say this is better answered in the Spitfire Formula Four thread, but what size would you like to have?  Both diameter and width?

The Conical 52 mm wheels are only 31 mm wide, which is pretty narrow, the 54mm barely over 32mm wide as well, so I am just wondering really what dimensions you would want?

You can use this as a reference for sizes, etc:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


You would most likely be one of the many people who would ride Radial Slims just going by the stock dimensions of those wheels, which really are almost the same shape and just a bit thinner than Conical wheels, certainly no more in weight or how they perform.

I have used an angle grinder on Conical wheels to thin out the profile before for other Slap pals, as well as doing that on older Conical Full wheels to give a more rounded lip as I prefer Classics that have worn down a bit, so it wouldn't be too hard to make something work from their existing range in a shape you prefer.

Just a thought anyway.
Yeah, a radial slim or a tablet is functionally a conical slim.  I mean, you could get hung up on the specs, but reading the original request, I’m hearing “ square but narrower than a conical”.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on March 27, 2023, 09:21:22 AM
Does anyone find the F4 Tablets shape a bit too... for a lack of a better word, angular or clunky? I don't know if it's just my mind playing tricks on me, but I could swear my old-ass ankles feel more pain when riding Tablets as opposed to the smooth ride of e.g. the Classic shape. The pains of being almost 50 and skating, I know.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on March 27, 2023, 09:47:17 AM
Does anyone find the F4 Tablets shape a bit too... for a lack of a better word, angular or clunky? I don't know if it's just my mind playing tricks on me, but I could swear my old-ass ankles feel more pain when riding Tablets as opposed to the smooth ride of e.g. the Classic shape. The pains of being almost 50 and skating, I know.

For me, tablets ride way smoother due to the huge riding surface. Classics are rattling me to death if the ground is slightly rough.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 27, 2023, 10:26:51 AM
Does anyone find the F4 Tablets shape a bit too... for a lack of a better word, angular or clunky? I don't know if it's just my mind playing tricks on me, but I could swear my old-ass ankles feel more pain when riding Tablets as opposed to the smooth ride of e.g. the Classic shape. The pains of being almost 50 and skating, I know.

Having tried them a few times, they're just not for me...Conicals are better imo, or just roll the classics...you know, until DLX starts making more Radial Slims...;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cthulhu! on March 27, 2023, 10:30:04 AM
Contemplating the pinkish teal swirls.

(https://i.ibb.co/tKg38S9/whools.png)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on March 27, 2023, 11:09:37 AM
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Does anyone find the F4 Tablets shape a bit too... for a lack of a better word, angular or clunky? I don't know if it's just my mind playing tricks on me, but I could swear my old-ass ankles feel more pain when riding Tablets as opposed to the smooth ride of e.g. the Classic shape. The pains of being almost 50 and skating, I know.
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Having tried them a few times, they're just not for me...Conicals are better imo, or just roll the classics...you know, until DLX starts making more Radial Slims...;)

^ Radial Slims....WHY won't they make those?!? It's maddening.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on March 27, 2023, 02:18:55 PM
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Copied from the wheels thread, as I thought it would be relevant here anyway.



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If anyone from DLX looks at this page, I want a Conical Slim shape wheels. Please and thank you!
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I would say this is better answered in the Spitfire Formula Four thread, but what size would you like to have?  Both diameter and width?

The Conical 52 mm wheels are only 31 mm wide, which is pretty narrow, the 54mm barely over 32mm wide as well, so I am just wondering really what dimensions you would want?

You can use this as a reference for sizes, etc:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/


You would most likely be one of the many people who would ride Radial Slims just going by the stock dimensions of those wheels, which really are almost the same shape and just a bit thinner than Conical wheels, certainly no more in weight or how they perform.

I have used an angle grinder on Conical wheels to thin out the profile before for other Slap pals, as well as doing that on older Conical Full wheels to give a more rounded lip as I prefer Classics that have worn down a bit, so it wouldn't be too hard to make something work from their existing range in a shape you prefer.

Just a thought anyway.
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Yeah, a radial slim or a tablet is functionally a conical slim.  I mean, you could get hung up on the specs, but reading the original request, I’m hearing “ square but narrower than a conical”.

The smaller end (52/53?) of the OG Classics range are what I’d imagine a Conical Slim would feel like. They should definitely replace Tablets with either OG Classics or a new Conical Slim that competes with the Bones V5 shape.

Use the Tablet molds for something weird like a range of inexpensive black F4s that look like pucks for the kids to ride with their Hockey boards.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 27, 2023, 03:06:12 PM
Contemplating the pinkish teal swirls.

(https://i.ibb.co/tKg38S9/whools.png)

Teal/Purple and the glows, glows are more white than regs'taters.


(https://i.ibb.co/2Wvfqqw/IMG-3997.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2Wvfqqw)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mindfuzz on March 27, 2023, 03:23:58 PM
https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel

Gray swirl classic fulls on the Limosine site…for $50 yikes
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Aquatic Dinosaur on March 27, 2023, 04:14:24 PM
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Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
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These F4 99 52 swirls also just came out
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The Chromas are a couple seasons old but come in solid yellow if tie-dye isn’t appealing:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0028/6756/0494/products/303StudioSession-2627_490x.progressive.jpg?v=1649194808)
https://www.303boards.com/products/spitfire-99-formula-4-chroma-classic-yellow-wheels-52mm

Piss yellow is pretty sick for a wheel color
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 27, 2023, 04:50:59 PM
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Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
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These F4 99 52 swirls also just came out [/size]

Contemplating the pinkish teal swirls.



Where are these or who has them in stock?


I just don't recall seeing any of these, but I haven't looked very hard either.  Nothing new comes up on a simple search.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on March 27, 2023, 05:02:43 PM
https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel?fbclid=PAAaZ1PR8KkiCWypS6LCKuUm21O27pdN58xPLy5IoUts0dWc0_2C5xj1VSb9Q

ayo 54mm classic full
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: buggot on March 27, 2023, 05:59:18 PM
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Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
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These F4 99 52 swirls also just came out [/size]
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Contemplating the pinkish teal swirls.

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Where are these or who has them in stock?


I just don't recall seeing any of these, but I haven't looked very hard either.  Nothing new comes up on a simple search.

I don't see any either, so far just Zumiez. Anyone else got any links?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on March 27, 2023, 06:54:20 PM
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Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
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These F4 99 52 swirls also just came out [/size]
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Contemplating the pinkish teal swirls.

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Where are these or who has them in stock?


I just don't recall seeing any of these, but I haven't looked very hard either.  Nothing new comes up on a simple search.
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I don't see any either, so far just Zumiez. Anyone else got any links?
Dug around a little bit and it looks like Cowtown has 'em
Here's the link: https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/product_detail.cfm?CatID=32&PID=68220&SKU=186768&LinkID=1
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 27, 2023, 07:15:21 PM
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Do any F4 classics exist in 99a 52mm that are dyed? Wanna get some non-white wheels, hopefully in green or something lol
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These F4 99 52 swirls also just came out [/size]
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Contemplating the pinkish teal swirls.

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Where are these or who has them in stock?


I just don't recall seeing any of these, but I haven't looked very hard either.  Nothing new comes up on a simple search.
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I don't see any either, so far just Zumiez. Anyone else got any links?
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Dug around a little bit and it looks like Cowtown has 'em
Here's the link: https://www.cowtownskateboards.com/product_detail.cfm?CatID=32&PID=68220&SKU=186768&LinkID=1


Ha yeah that just came up on a search now, when it didn't before, so I wonder how many other shops will be putting them up soon enough.


Cowtown have all the new ones it seems:

- Skate like a girl green 54 and black 56 Conical Full
- Apocalypse natural 57 and black 55 Radials
- Swirl pink/teal 52, blue/yellow 53 and red/orange 54 Classics



Some places have them as "swirl" or "multiswirl" and others "swirled" but multi swirl should come up with a few more options for everything.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 27, 2023, 07:26:41 PM
NGL, 52mm always get the shitty swirl colors.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: buggot on March 28, 2023, 08:05:50 AM
NGL, 52mm always get the shitty swirl colors.

Was hoping I could find some cool colorways for 52mm haha
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on March 28, 2023, 08:09:54 AM
anyone got the measurements for the classic full?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 28, 2023, 09:19:12 AM
https://letmegooglethat.com/

(https://i.ibb.co/hFxkSHp/317-F92-E1-4175-40-CE-8-E8-B-6-AD1-B18125-D1.png) (https://ibb.co/hFxkSHp)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on March 28, 2023, 09:24:49 AM
https://letmegooglethat.com/

(https://i.ibb.co/hFxkSHp/317-F92-E1-4175-40-CE-8-E8-B-6-AD1-B18125-D1.png) (https://ibb.co/hFxkSHp)

thanks man i had a look at this while ago but was weirded how the width on the fulls were smaller
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 28, 2023, 09:27:03 AM
It’s all about the riding surface with classic fulls compared to classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on March 28, 2023, 09:30:43 AM
It’s all about the riding surface with classic fulls compared to classics.

ooh gotcha. thanks for the clarification dawg
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 28, 2023, 11:37:32 AM
Well the fulls are wider, except the 53/58mm?

Who knows, typos/inaccurate measurements?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 28, 2023, 05:09:21 PM
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thanks man i had a look at this while ago but was weirded how the width on the fulls were smaller


The dimensions over 54 mm were always off, especially in the 56 and 58 mm sizes, which is what I usually had (and still do have).



So the sizes are really as follows:


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


*  The 54.5 were the Cardiel specials, just in case anyone was confused.


Edit:


Sorry if it might seem like I am being overbearing.  It just bugs me when they could never get their size chart right for some reason.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 28, 2023, 05:14:18 PM
https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel?fbclid=PAAaZ1PR8KkiCWypS6LCKuUm21O27pdN58xPLy5IoUts0dWc0_2C5xj1VSb9Q

ayo 54mm classic full


I didn't know they had the Classic Full in 56 mm out as well, but saw someone had bought them recently in another thread.

You can see the extra width overall, as well as riding surface there in the pic.


https://limosineskateboards.com/products/copy-of-max-palmer-limosine-56-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0609/5067/5676/products/56mm_HeroShotWeb_1100x.jpg)



Compared to the 54 mm size of the Classic Full wheel


https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel


(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0609/5067/5676/products/HeroShotLarge54mm_MAx_web_1100x.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on March 29, 2023, 06:08:42 AM
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thanks man i had a look at this while ago but was weirded how the width on the fulls were smaller
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The dimensions over 54 mm were always off, especially in the 56 and 58 mm sizes, which is what I usually had (and still do have).



So the sizes are really as follows:


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


*  The 54.5 were the Cardiel specials, just in case anyone was confused.


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Sorry if it might seem like I am being overbearing.  It just bugs me when they could never get their size chart right for some reason.

no need to apologize. thank you this is exactly what i was looking and hoping for. the measurements of the 56 look really good
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ourladyoftheflowers on April 03, 2023, 03:53:44 PM
Had to grab some new wheels from my local. Got 58 f4 conical fulls. They’re pretty much white. As long as they function like a formula four it’s fine but I was almost disappointed it wasn’t potato color
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WideFeet on April 03, 2023, 08:58:52 PM
Had to grab some new wheels from my local. Got 58 f4 conical fulls. They’re pretty much white. As long as they function like a formula four it’s fine but I was almost disappointed it wasn’t potato color


I’m actually stoked that they’re white now. Before F4’s were the end all be all of wheels, I used to love getting a brand new set of wheels. Sparking white. Subtle flex at the skatepark. One of the placebo effects for me personally. Flexing new gear, I was definitely going to skating better
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on April 04, 2023, 03:52:36 AM
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Had to grab some new wheels from my local. Got 58 f4 conical fulls. They’re pretty much white. As long as they function like a formula four it’s fine but I was almost disappointed it wasn’t potato color
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I’m actually stoked that they’re white now. Before F4’s were the end all be all of wheels, I used to love getting a brand new set of wheels. Sparking white. Subtle flex at the skatepark. One of the placebo effects for me personally. Flexing new gear, I was definitely going to skating better
White wheels = mid 90’s - mid 00’s steelo. Made me think of the @koolmoeleo page.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on April 04, 2023, 04:33:20 AM
I got these ones not sure why other than I was searching lil smokies
Came across these and had a moment

(https://i.ibb.co/9HbZFd8/20230228-134141.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5hrKNJM)

Never had swirls in my life,  I like them but I think on someone else's setup
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 04, 2023, 07:01:52 AM
I got these ones not sure why other than I was searching lil smokies
Came across these and had a moment


Never had swirls in my life,  I like them but I think on someone else's setup


I kept looking at those on ebay.com.au / Kickpush shop but I kept thinking they are too small and I don't need more wheels, but there are still two sets in stock.

Do they look better in the stock picture than they do in real life???


https://www.kickpush.com.au/spitfire-lil-smokies-swirl-f4-99d-51mm-skateboard


(https://www.kickpush.com.au/assets/full/1319992.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 04, 2023, 07:30:41 AM
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Also the reason I got back online was to post this:



https://www.instagram.com/p/CqmURL7r_57/


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: buggot on April 04, 2023, 10:37:19 AM
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Also the reason I got back online was to post this:



https://www.instagram.com/p/CqmURL7r_57/

What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on April 04, 2023, 11:53:13 AM
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I got these ones not sure why other than I was searching lil smokies
Came across these and had a moment


Never had swirls in my life,  I like them but I think on someone else's setup
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I kept looking at those on ebay.com.au / Kickpush shop but I kept thinking they are too small and I don't need more wheels, but there are still two sets in stock.

Do they look better in the stock picture than they do in real life???


https://www.kickpush.com.au/spitfire-lil-smokies-swirl-f4-99d-51mm-skateboard


(https://www.kickpush.com.au/assets/full/1319992.jpg)

^^ that video,  I too would like to hear some feedback from anyone on here who's dyed f4's before

@Mbrimson88  Those wheels look good irl but I've just gotten use to the shape of 50mm f4 classics
Coloured conical fulls is a bit different

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on April 04, 2023, 02:21:43 PM

What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s

idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 04, 2023, 04:24:11 PM
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There are definitely different ways to make it work, but the few sets I have seen others dye penetrated less than a single mm into the wheel.  They looked good when done, then kinda looked cool too when they wore down as the sidewall was still coloured but the riding surface was back to a natural colour.  Not sure if some wheels had the dye really get in a lot more than others, but also keen to hear if anyone else has done this and have their results show.


Darren Navarrette used to bulk dye a lot of the original formula Spitfires in tubs where they would sit on skewers / sticks to hold the wheels half in / half out to get some crazy trippy combos like this page:


https://www.skeletonkeymfg.com/creature-bat-wing.html


(https://www.skeletonkeymfg.com/uploads/2/1/9/0/21905144/450277_orig.png)



Then the Spitfire and Skeleton Key colab had a single half dyed wheel with three plain too.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spitfire-x-skeletonkey/


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/spitfire-wheels-x-skeleton-key-mfg-99d-skateboard-wheels-59mm-p26672


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-wheels-x-skeleton-key-mfg-99d-skateboard-wheels-59mm-p26672-65599_image.jpg)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on April 05, 2023, 07:13:30 AM
lol skeleton key...  ;D

i want to say my 14 year old self would really want a green on purple wheel but lets not kid ourselves i still want that now
the green on black is definintely more tasteful

do the coloured formula feel different to the main ones? I noticed on Bones STF the colored wheels felt significantly stickier (not sure if they were same duro though) the white ones i have feel so damn light and plasticy vs. the black ones feel heavier and more solid
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 05, 2023, 08:55:59 AM
lol skeleton key...  ;D

i want to say my 14 year old self would really want a green on purple wheel but lets not kid ourselves i still want that now
the green on black is definintely more tasteful

do the coloured formula feel different to the main ones? I noticed on Bones STF the colored wheels felt significantly stickier (not sure if they were same duro though) the white ones i have feel so damn light and plasticy vs. the black ones feel heavier and more solid


I think the technology has now come far enough that any of the different coloured Spitfire wheels still feel the same in terms of hardness, slide and longevity.

From the half a dozen sets of different colours I have had / still have in used sets in 99 duro, be it the solid single colours or the mix n match or even swirls, they all seemed to be the same, but like you said, some others have definitely felt like other wheels were harder or softer in different colours.


Back in the day, people would often get certain colour wheels if they wanted softer and others if they wanted harder because some of the dyes really did affect the performance of the wheels.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roll_dog on April 05, 2023, 09:10:54 AM
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lol skeleton key...  ;D

i want to say my 14 year old self would really want a green on purple wheel but lets not kid ourselves i still want that now
the green on black is definintely more tasteful

do the coloured formula feel different to the main ones? I noticed on Bones STF the colored wheels felt significantly stickier (not sure if they were same duro though) the white ones i have feel so damn light and plasticy vs. the black ones feel heavier and more solid
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I think the technology has now come far enough that any of the different coloured Spitfire wheels still feel the same in terms of hardness, slide and longevity.

From the half a dozen sets of different colours I have had / still have in used sets in 99 duro, be it the solid single colours or the mix n match or even swirls, they all seemed to be the same, but like you said, some others have definitely felt like other wheels were harder or softer in different colours.


Back in the day, people would often get certain colour wheels if they wanted softer and others if they wanted harder because some of the dyes really did affect the performance of the wheels.

Still happening now really, everyone who rode the old white 99a STFs liked them better than the new brown ones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WideFeet on April 06, 2023, 07:08:10 PM
Recently got 54mm Conical 101’s. Stoked on the decision. Thanks for everyone’s input!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on April 07, 2023, 08:51:00 AM
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lol skeleton key...  ;D

i want to say my 14 year old self would really want a green on purple wheel but lets not kid ourselves i still want that now
the green on black is definintely more tasteful

do the coloured formula feel different to the main ones? I noticed on Bones STF the colored wheels felt significantly stickier (not sure if they were same duro though) the white ones i have feel so damn light and plasticy vs. the black ones feel heavier and more solid
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I think the technology has now come far enough that any of the different coloured Spitfire wheels still feel the same in terms of hardness, slide and longevity.

From the half a dozen sets of different colours I have had / still have in used sets in 99 duro, be it the solid single colours or the mix n match or even swirls, they all seemed to be the same, but like you said, some others have definitely felt like other wheels were harder or softer in different colours.


Back in the day, people would often get certain colour wheels if they wanted softer and others if they wanted harder because some of the dyes really did affect the performance of the wheels.
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Still happening now really, everyone who rode the old white 99a STFs liked them better than the new brown ones.

The yellow STFs felt like older school petroleum based urethanes, not plasticy and more like F4s; I’d snag them whenever I could.

Brown/ off white STFs are garbage these days.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on April 08, 2023, 03:54:18 PM
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What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s
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idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.

Best luck I had was rit synthetic in a quart jar cold soak for as long as you can stand it. Days, weeks, months. Just enough water to cover so shit is max concentration.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 08, 2023, 05:31:46 PM
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What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s
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idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.
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Best luck I had was rit synthetic in a quart jar cold soak for as long as you can stand it. Days, weeks, months. Just enough water to cover so shit is max concentration.


How far in did it penetrate?

Riding surface is what I had in mind, or how long did you skate them?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 08, 2023, 05:46:24 PM
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There are definitely different ways to make it work, but the few sets I have seen others dye penetrated less than a single mm into the wheel.  They looked good when done, then kinda looked cool too when they wore down as the sidewall was still coloured but the riding surface was back to a natural colour.  Not sure if some wheels had the dye really get in a lot more than others, but also keen to hear if anyone else has done this and have their results show.


Darren Navarrette used to bulk dye a lot of the original formula Spitfires in tubs where they would sit on skewers / sticks to hold the wheels half in / half out to get some crazy trippy combos like this page:


https://www.skeletonkeymfg.com/creature-bat-wing.html


(https://www.skeletonkeymfg.com/uploads/2/1/9/0/21905144/450277_orig.png)



Then the Spitfire and Skeleton Key colab had a single half dyed wheel with three plain too.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spitfire-x-skeletonkey/


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/spitfire-wheels-x-skeleton-key-mfg-99d-skateboard-wheels-59mm-p26672


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-wheels-x-skeleton-key-mfg-99d-skateboard-wheels-59mm-p26672-65599_image.jpg)

those are killer
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Post by: beandemon on April 09, 2023, 12:17:05 PM
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What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s
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idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.
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Best luck I had was rit synthetic in a quart jar cold soak for as long as you can stand it. Days, weeks, months. Just enough water to cover so shit is max concentration.
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How far in did it penetrate?

Riding surface is what I had in mind, or how long did you skate them?

Thanks.

Wow. I just cut one in half. Way more than I thought. I’d say it penetrated 6mm or so. Biggest thing I see is that the outer couple mms are the darkest, so the riding surface will show wear, but it’s a long way before getting to natural. From what I remember, that one soaked for several days but less than a week.  Also, it’s surprisingly easy to cut a 95a wheel in half with a sharp knife.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SlapMcKracken on April 13, 2023, 12:26:25 PM
First time skating f4s 99s.
In a slick park I have the feeling they don’t grip as good as other wheels. I had stf‘s for example. I even had orbs. When landing a bit sideway and slide a backside 180 around they don’t grip hood to me. I hope this will change when I’m used to them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on April 13, 2023, 02:10:10 PM
First time skating f4s 99s.
In a slick park I have the feeling they don’t grip as good as other wheels. I had stf‘s for example. I even had orbs. When landing a bit sideway and slide a backside 180 around they don’t grip hood to me. I hope this will change when I’m used to them
Ride around some rough terrain to create some texture on the riding surface and they should be way better.
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Post by: SlapMcKracken on April 13, 2023, 02:13:54 PM
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First time skating f4s 99s.
In a slick park I have the feeling they don’t grip as good as other wheels. I had stf‘s for example. I even had orbs. When landing a bit sideway and slide a backside 180 around they don’t grip hood to me. I hope this will change when I’m used to them
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Ride around some rough terrain to create some texture on the riding surface and they should be way better.


Will try. So they are more a street-street wheel and not street park?

What would be better for that?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on April 13, 2023, 02:55:56 PM
First time skating f4s 99s.
In a slick park I have the feeling they don’t grip as good as other wheels. I had stf‘s for example. I even had orbs. When landing a bit sideway and slide a backside 180 around they don’t grip hood to me. I hope this will change when I’m used to them

how fresh is your set? 99 f4s are icy out the box. power slide them around on street and once they break in you’ll see
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bristol_Palin on April 13, 2023, 03:02:46 PM
It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mynameisnotjeff on April 13, 2023, 03:17:28 PM
lol skeleton key...  ;D

i want to say my 14 year old self would really want a green on purple wheel but lets not kid ourselves i still want that now
the green on black is definintely more tasteful

do the coloured formula feel different to the main ones? I noticed on Bones STF the colored wheels felt significantly stickier (not sure if they were same duro though) the white ones i have feel so damn light and plasticy vs. the black ones feel heavier and more solid

I had 52mm Classic 99a F4s in that mint color they dropped in like 14. They were really good and I rode the heck out of them. They should rerelease them.

Also, a friend lent me a pair of slime green bones STF and they were really good. Fastest wheel I’ve been on.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SlapMcKracken on April 13, 2023, 03:39:09 PM
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First time skating f4s 99s.
In a slick park I have the feeling they don’t grip as good as other wheels. I had stf‘s for example. I even had orbs. When landing a bit sideway and slide a backside 180 around they don’t grip hood to me. I hope this will change when I’m used to them
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how fresh is your set? 99 f4s are icy out the box. power slide them around on street and once they break in you’ll see

Skated them maybe for bit over two hours in a very slick park.

Ok, if they will change everything is fine.

They don’t even have any grooves when they are brand new. I think my other wheels had, but not sure
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on April 13, 2023, 04:24:49 PM
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First time skating f4s 99s.
In a slick park I have the feeling they don’t grip as good as other wheels. I had stf‘s for example. I even had orbs. When landing a bit sideway and slide a backside 180 around they don’t grip hood to me. I hope this will change when I’m used to them
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how fresh is your set? 99 f4s are icy out the box. power slide them around on street and once they break in you’ll see
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Skated them maybe for bit over two hours in a very slick park.

Ok, if they will change everything is fine.

They don’t even have any grooves when they are brand new. I think my other wheels had, but not sure

Yeah spits don’t have the grooves.  But I think you may end up enjoying them. Just skate some ground that wears them quick but I think you’ll enjoy them F4s are the leader for a reason. Not saying you can’t stray from that. But give them a fair bit and see what you think
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 13, 2023, 06:32:24 PM
It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.


Just wait...

You won't be disappointed.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 14, 2023, 08:53:04 PM
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What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s
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idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.
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Best luck I had was rit synthetic in a quart jar cold soak for as long as you can stand it. Days, weeks, months. Just enough water to cover so shit is max concentration.
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How far in did it penetrate?

Riding surface is what I had in mind, or how long did you skate them?

Thanks.
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Wow. I just cut one in half. Way more than I thought. I’d say it penetrated 6mm or so. Biggest thing I see is that the outer couple mms are the darkest, so the riding surface will show wear, but it’s a long way before getting to natural. From what I remember, that one soaked for several days but less than a week.  Also, it’s surprisingly easy to cut a 95a wheel in half with a sharp knife.


I would be very interested to see pics...


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DeepSpace9mm on April 15, 2023, 06:10:31 PM
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More OG classics soon?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on April 15, 2023, 07:43:53 PM
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It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.
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Just wait...

You won't be disappointed.
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Tell me more.
More OG classics soon?
Please bring back the OG Classics it is the best shape of them all!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 15, 2023, 11:22:34 PM
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It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.
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You won't be disappointed.
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Tell me more.
More OG classics soon?
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Please bring back the OG Classics it is the best shape of them all!


People in the know have said the 58 and 60mm OG Classics will be coming out again in the next drop or so, as per previous messages in this thread or others.

I don't know when or any other details, but I have been keeping track of things, as I like to do with Spitfire wheels.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on April 16, 2023, 08:03:42 AM
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It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.
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Just wait...

You won't be disappointed.
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Tell me more.
More OG classics soon?
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Please bring back the OG Classics it is the best shape of them all!
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People in the know have said the 58 and 60mm OG Classics will be coming out again in the next drop or so, as per previous messages in this thread or others.

I don't know when or any other details, but I have been keeping track of things, as I like to do with Spitfire wheels.

Just curious, what makes you hold out for these giant OGs instead of supplementing with some con fulls or radials that have been out in the past? Are you mostly skating big transitions and like the largest contact patch while keeping the width as small as possible?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Bristol_Palin on April 16, 2023, 09:13:41 AM
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It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.
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Just wait...

You won't be disappointed.
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Tell me more.
More OG classics soon?
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Please bring back the OG Classics it is the best shape of them all!
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People in the know have said the 58 and 60mm OG Classics will be coming out again in the next drop or so, as per previous messages in this thread or others.

I don't know when or any other details, but I have been keeping track of things, as I like to do with Spitfire wheels.
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Just curious, what makes you hold out for these giant OGs instead of supplementing with some con fulls or radials that have been out in the past? Are you mostly skating big transitions and like the largest contact patch while keeping the width as small as possible?

My favorite skater is Matt Reason and I live in New Jersey and lots of the ground I even skate flat on is garbage. Big wheels make it easier
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 16, 2023, 10:26:42 AM
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It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.
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Just wait...

You won't be disappointed.
[close]

Tell me more.
More OG classics soon?
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Please bring back the OG Classics it is the best shape of them all!
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People in the know have said the 58 and 60mm OG Classics will be coming out again in the next drop or so, as per previous messages in this thread or others.

I don't know when or any other details, but I have been keeping track of things, as I like to do with Spitfire wheels.

Tick tock.

Plz Bison if you see the drop alert me.  I stuck aside some bread for the day.

I need to have at least 2 sets of 58s on ice to feel whole.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on April 16, 2023, 10:29:54 AM
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It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.
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Just wait...

You won't be disappointed.
[close]

Tell me more.
More OG classics soon?
[close]
Please bring back the OG Classics it is the best shape of them all!
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People in the know have said the 58 and 60mm OG Classics will be coming out again in the next drop or so, as per previous messages in this thread or others.

I don't know when or any other details, but I have been keeping track of things, as I like to do with Spitfire wheels.
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Just curious, what makes you hold out for these giant OGs instead of supplementing with some con fulls or radials that have been out in the past? Are you mostly skating big transitions and like the largest contact patch while keeping the width as small as possible?

The shape is incredible. I like them so much more than connies and locks.

Really it's about that purple graphic size. It's absolute perfection. When combined with the shape it's just the top wheel ever made imo

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on April 16, 2023, 12:25:23 PM
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It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.
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Just wait...

You won't be disappointed.
[close]

Tell me more.
More OG classics soon?
[close]
Please bring back the OG Classics it is the best shape of them all!
[close]


People in the know have said the 58 and 60mm OG Classics will be coming out again in the next drop or so, as per previous messages in this thread or others.

I don't know when or any other details, but I have been keeping track of things, as I like to do with Spitfire wheels.
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Just curious, what makes you hold out for these giant OGs instead of supplementing with some con fulls or radials that have been out in the past? Are you mostly skating big transitions and like the largest contact patch while keeping the width as small as possible?
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My favorite skater is Matt Reason and I live in New Jersey and lots of the ground I even skate flat on is garbage. Big wheels make it easier

Something about those Mike Anderson sfws was legendary. I had some 53s (small wheel guy here) and they were fantastic: handled some less than ideal pavement/asphalt/gravel, all the whole the feel/texture/vibrations just felt correct. Was the formula different?
I tend to whinge and moan ALOT with bigger wheels. EE3 days and I absolutely did not care and would gladly crank the shit/life/will to turn out of my trucks and throw some 60s onto a 7.8 and feel like the biggest beast in the streets. And the ollies were sick. Now…just looking at my board with big wheels causes me physical pain.
I really need to work out something besides my thumbs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 16, 2023, 06:53:05 PM
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It would be really sick if they made 58 OG classics again. I hope these do go the way of the Mike Anderson SFWs I miss those. I think I had 56s of those though.
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Just wait...

You won't be disappointed.
[close]

Tell me more.
More OG classics soon?
[close]
Please bring back the OG Classics it is the best shape of them all!
[close]


People in the know have said the 58 and 60mm OG Classics will be coming out again in the next drop or so, as per previous messages in this thread or others.

I don't know when or any other details, but I have been keeping track of things, as I like to do with Spitfire wheels.
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Just curious, what makes you hold out for these giant OGs instead of supplementing with some con fulls or radials that have been out in the past? Are you mostly skating big transitions and like the largest contact patch while keeping the width as small as possible?


Me personally - not really into the OG shape at all, but I know others have been super keen to get more and know when they are coming out again, as they stopped making them for a while to get through the back log of other wheels and shapes / sizes that were coming out.

As to bigger wheels in general, I used to ride the Big Head 57 and 59 mm wheels until they were down under 50 mm and definitely like the wider profile wheels, but for Formula Four, the Classic Full are my normal go to, along with Radials as is, Classics when worn down or Conical Full wheels when worn down and I round off the edges a bit more, most of those from 54 to 52 or smaller in the trade in / swaps I do with other people.


I am sure others will give you more info, but at least the wide riding surface and a bit more narrow width overall are two reasons others I know like them a lot, especially the bigger sizes, as they don't want wheels as wide as mine, but still want the bigger diameter overall.

In Conical Full, they get a bit too big and chunky once past 54 mm, but again, some people really like the shape of those wheels as well, so everyone is going to have their own preferences.

The most noise comes from those who like wheels that are discontinued or reduced in production, as per the Radial Slims, but I think there were other factors at play there, hence stopping production and changing any existing graphics as well for future runs of them.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on April 17, 2023, 07:47:39 AM
I know this is the Formula Four thread, but are there any Non F4 spitfire wheels worth checking out? I noticed they do a 80du wheel, I feel like n oone ever talks about spitfire for a cruiser wheel, maybe just better off to go with OJ or Dragons or something if I want that type of wheel?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on April 17, 2023, 08:24:37 AM
I've gone (in the space of 1 1/2 years) from Classics to Tablets to OG Classics to Conicals to back to Classics and finally to Radials.

All are good, with Tablets being my least favorite of them.

Love Radials. Might be my favorite F4 wheel at the moment. Like they say, a great combination of Classics and Conicals. Goes well with anything, really.

(Skated OJ Elite Hardlines in between, too. Great wheel as well, but occasionally feels a bit too wide for other than hard transition skating.)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on April 17, 2023, 08:40:03 AM
I know this is the Formula Four thread, but are there any Non F4 spitfire wheels worth checking out? I noticed they do a 80du wheel, I feel like n oone ever talks about spitfire for a cruiser wheel, maybe just better off to go with OJ or Dragons or something if I want that type of wheel?

I'm pretty sure the consensus on Chargers is that they are the 1 wheel Spitfire cannot do right. Ricta / OJ do a better job.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 17, 2023, 08:40:43 AM
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There are definitely different ways to make it work, but the few sets I have seen others dye penetrated less than a single mm into the wheel.  They looked good when done, then kinda looked cool too when they wore down as the sidewall was still coloured but the riding surface was back to a natural colour.  Not sure if some wheels had the dye really get in a lot more than others, but also keen to hear if anyone else has done this and have their results show.


Darren Navarrette used to bulk dye a lot of the original formula Spitfires in tubs where they would sit on skewers / sticks to hold the wheels half in / half out to get some crazy trippy combos like this page:


https://www.skeletonkeymfg.com/creature-bat-wing.html


(https://www.skeletonkeymfg.com/uploads/2/1/9/0/21905144/450277_orig.png)



Then the Spitfire and Skeleton Key colab had a single half dyed wheel with three plain too.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spitfire-x-skeletonkey/


https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/skateboards-c7/skateboard-wheels-c8/spitfire-wheels-x-skeleton-key-mfg-99d-skateboard-wheels-59mm-p26672


(https://www.nativeskatestore.co.uk/images/spitfire-wheels-x-skeleton-key-mfg-99d-skateboard-wheels-59mm-p26672-65599_image.jpg)
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those are killer

here are some F4's i dyed a few years back

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnXSqGdlWC4Ldto0M5TXrrw_V74se5ytILHzns0/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 17, 2023, 06:21:57 PM
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I know this is the Formula Four thread, but are there any Non F4 spitfire wheels worth checking out? I noticed they do a 80du wheel, I feel like n oone ever talks about spitfire for a cruiser wheel, maybe just better off to go with OJ or Dragons or something if I want that type of wheel?
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I'm pretty sure the consensus on Chargers is that they are the 1 wheel Spitfire cannot do right. Ricta / OJ do a better job.

They’ve advertised new, reformulated cruiser wheels recently (the hexagon cutout in the center is an easy way to find the new ones, and they also have real shapes listed around the center, either Classic Full or Conical Full). I bought a set of the 58 CFs. They look amazing, but I probably won’t be skating them for a while. Already have two big cruisers and one mini cruiser that I ride to work regularly.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on April 18, 2023, 06:36:16 AM
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I know this is the Formula Four thread, but are there any Non F4 spitfire wheels worth checking out? I noticed they do a 80du wheel, I feel like n oone ever talks about spitfire for a cruiser wheel, maybe just better off to go with OJ or Dragons or something if I want that type of wheel?
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I'm pretty sure the consensus on Chargers is that they are the 1 wheel Spitfire cannot do right. Ricta / OJ do a better job.
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They’ve advertised new, reformulated cruiser wheels recently (the hexagon cutout in the center is an easy way to find the new ones, and they also have real shapes listed around the center, either Classic Full or Conical Full). I bought a set of the 58 CFs. They look amazing, but I probably won’t be skating them for a while. Already have two big cruisers and one mini cruiser that I ride to work regularly.

A friend recently got the 80HD 56mm conical full for his cruiser and loves them. He even manages to slide them somehow, probably his longboarding background. I rode them around and they're smooth and fast. I don't think I could have noticed a difference to 78 ricta clouds, but I only rode them for 5mins or so.

Definitely not the kind of soft wheel that feels super slow
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on April 18, 2023, 06:47:59 AM
Thanks for your responses on the 80HDs guys i noticed those are the newest wheels from spitfire and those were what I was wondering about I should have just said that specifically

My idea is to get a board with super soft wheels and then put one of these plastic things to stop the wheels from touching when you do noseslides like this guy has:

https://youtu.be/q3x4QeOquJ4?t=128

so basicaly the only thing you are missin out on is ez mode powerslides but thats ok the board is meant to ride over really shitty stuff like sidewalk cracks and very old parking lots etc. i use OJ 95a right now its OK but could be a lot softer to deal with that stuff. its a bit too in-between.

I used Rat Bones in the past and I really liked those actually for doing these kind of tricks ( i do a lot of sketchy hill bomb sidewalk manuals you need to go through all the cracks) but they are insanely heavy and the shape is pretty outdated. I have also used Ricta Clouds and they handled it pretty well... but Spitfire is way cooler than Ricta...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on April 18, 2023, 06:54:22 AM
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I know this is the Formula Four thread, but are there any Non F4 spitfire wheels worth checking out? I noticed they do a 80du wheel, I feel like n oone ever talks about spitfire for a cruiser wheel, maybe just better off to go with OJ or Dragons or something if I want that type of wheel?
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I'm pretty sure the consensus on Chargers is that they are the 1 wheel Spitfire cannot do right. Ricta / OJ do a better job.
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They’ve advertised new, reformulated cruiser wheels recently (the hexagon cutout in the center is an easy way to find the new ones, and they also have real shapes listed around the center, either Classic Full or Conical Full). I bought a set of the 58 CFs. They look amazing, but I probably won’t be skating them for a while. Already have two big cruisers and one mini cruiser that I ride to work regularly.
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A friend recently got the 80HD 56mm conical full for his cruiser and loves them. He even manages to slide them somehow, probably his longboarding background. I rode them around and they're smooth and fast. I don't think I could have noticed a difference to 78 ricta clouds, but I only rode them for 5mins or so.

Definitely not the kind of soft wheel that feels super slow

I have some 78D 52mm Ricta Clouds and some old HD chargers in 56mm, those without the plastic hexagon inside. The Clouds ride a bit more stable and keep their speed very well. The old HD chargers slow down kinda fast and feel like you sink into the ground, especially if it is wet outside. But those are really old wheels and the new HD chargers might be better now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on April 18, 2023, 07:23:51 AM
Thanks for your responses on the 80HDs guys i noticed those are the newest wheels from spitfire…

Def not new. They been around awhile. I have a set for turbo crust spots. Work great for that purpose, but def don’t slide.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on April 18, 2023, 09:12:34 AM
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Def not new. They been around awhile. I have a set for turbo crust spots. Work great for that purpose, but def don’t slide.

yeah from what i recall the 80HD has been the main cruiser Spitfire makes for the last decade
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on April 18, 2023, 09:27:32 AM
ahh my mistake i actually had no idea if it was new or not, i really just meant i saw it in the latest catalog + in retailers, so i know they are still producing them and its something i should be able to get pretty easily
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on April 18, 2023, 12:57:01 PM
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Thanks for your responses on the 80HDs guys i noticed those are the newest wheels from spitfire…
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Def not new. They been around awhile. I have a set for turbo crust spots. Work great for that purpose, but def don’t slide.
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yeah from what i recall the 80HD has been the main cruiser Spitfire makes for the last decade

Yes, but they did just re-tool the formula and release new shapes, so in a way they are the newest.

I think they really should have changed the name/marketing/look of them more because most people don’t realize they changed them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on April 18, 2023, 03:09:03 PM
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Thanks for your responses on the 80HDs guys i noticed those are the newest wheels from spitfire…
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Def not new. They been around awhile. I have a set for turbo crust spots. Work great for that purpose, but def don’t slide.
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yeah from what i recall the 80HD has been the main cruiser Spitfire makes for the last decade
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Yes, but they did just re-tool the formula and release new shapes, so in a way they are the newest.

I think they really should have changed the name/marketing/look of them more because most people don’t realize they changed them.


yeah the formula got changed, the new ones have a hex head bearing separator.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 18, 2023, 04:41:14 PM
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What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s
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idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.
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Best luck I had was rit synthetic in a quart jar cold soak for as long as you can stand it. Days, weeks, months. Just enough water to cover so shit is max concentration.
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How far in did it penetrate?

Riding surface is what I had in mind, or how long did you skate them?

Thanks.
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Wow. I just cut one in half. Way more than I thought. I’d say it penetrated 6mm or so. Biggest thing I see is that the outer couple mms are the darkest, so the riding surface will show wear, but it’s a long way before getting to natural. From what I remember, that one soaked for several days but less than a week.  Also, it’s surprisingly easy to cut a 95a wheel in half with a sharp knife.
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I would be very interested to see pics...
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(https://i.ibb.co/16WtT0m/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/16WtT0m)

Nfg 56mm 95a cold soaked in Rit Synthetic


That's amazing!!!

Thanks for the pic.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on April 19, 2023, 12:12:47 AM
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What's the best way to do this? I've seen some people do dye only (no water), or leave it in for a week up to a month, or vary their temperatures, etc.

Gonna give it a try as long as the heat doesn't degrade the F4s
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idk about the best way, but imo that was way to short for that dye to get in to anything but the outside layer. gonna be riding 50-50 creamcicles at the end of the day.
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Best luck I had was rit synthetic in a quart jar cold soak for as long as you can stand it. Days, weeks, months. Just enough water to cover so shit is max concentration.
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How far in did it penetrate?

Riding surface is what I had in mind, or how long did you skate them?

Thanks.
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Wow. I just cut one in half. Way more than I thought. I’d say it penetrated 6mm or so. Biggest thing I see is that the outer couple mms are the darkest, so the riding surface will show wear, but it’s a long way before getting to natural. From what I remember, that one soaked for several days but less than a week.  Also, it’s surprisingly easy to cut a 95a wheel in half with a sharp knife.
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I would be very interested to see pics...
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(https://i.ibb.co/16WtT0m/image.jpg) (https://ibb.co/16WtT0m)

Nfg 56mm 95a cold soaked in Rit Synthetic
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That's amazing!!!

Thanks for the pic.




wow, deeper penetration than i woulda thunk.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on April 19, 2023, 05:10:49 AM
@beandemon about how long did that wheel soak?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on April 19, 2023, 06:50:54 AM
@beandemon about how long did that wheel soak?

It’s been awhile, but I think it was 5-7 days.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jacob DeGrosso on April 20, 2023, 11:22:52 AM
Anyone have the scoop on when we will see spring drop 2?  Sounds like OG classics will be included and hoping to see classic fulls come back.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on April 20, 2023, 12:33:36 PM
Anyone have the scoop on when we will see spring drop 2?  Sounds like OG classics will be included and hoping to see classic fulls come back.
OG Classics aren't back until Summer (54, 58 and 60) and Classic Fulls remain available in special drops only though I didn't see anything in that shape outside of the new 80HD wheels.

Speaking of which, I saw some Spitfire/Gonz branded 80HDs are coming up but they don't seem to have the hexagonal hub. I wonder if that's a product mock up thing or if they are actually the old versions?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 21, 2023, 12:08:49 AM
Anyone have the scoop on when we will see spring drop 2?  Sounds like OG classics will be included and hoping to see classic fulls come back.


Classic Full seem like a difficult one to find, the most recent being the Limosine special editions in 54 and 56 mm black / white swirls, shown a couple of pages back via this link, page 164:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3988684#msg3988684


Seems like they already sold out or Limosine removed their shop access to the public, but the pic is still there in the thread.


* Edit:

 If you were looking for anything 54 mm or under, they are not that different, but 56 mm and 58 mm Classic Full wheels are a lot wider overall, as per the pics from the wheel listings.

I prefer the 56 mm size more as a transition / all rounder, but the smaller ones are good for small street / tech stuff, in the same way normal Classic 54 mm wear down a mm or two and widen out nicely.


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


*  The 54.5 were the Cardiel specials, just in case anyone was confused.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jacob DeGrosso on April 21, 2023, 07:27:14 AM
Yeah, I almost grabbed those from limosine. Oh well, plenty of wheels out there and I’ve some 56 classics to ride down. Thanks for the info, both of you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Skatebeard on April 22, 2023, 09:37:57 AM
Finally tried out some 97a F4 classics (54mm), and they've made my old local park skateable again, the tarmac is absolutely shagged and previous sessions there on 99a 50mm F4s were far from enjoyable.

I can see why everyone raves about the 97a F4s, were deffo worth the punt.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 24, 2023, 08:39:08 PM
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Might be a one off thing, but a local shop here in Australia has some variations on the Lil Smokies, including a 51mm black Radial shape.  Currently two sets in stock.

As others had said before, the Lil Smokies are the wheels made from other larger wheels that for whatever reason seemed to not make the grade, so they shape them down and repackage them as these wheels.

Awesome if you want smaller wheels in familiar shapes, often in very unique options.


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/234979874154


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/OMYAAOSwRTBkQG1Y/s-l500.jpg)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on April 25, 2023, 07:02:39 AM
i want these ^ i dont see them for sale anywhere in canada though
For us the classic formula wheels ~$50
F4s are about $60-65 CAD
is the price point more in line with what the classic formula wheels are?
The smallest i can easily find in f4s was 52mm actually and i was wanting to go smaller
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on April 25, 2023, 10:40:41 AM
i want these ^ i dont see them for sale anywhere in canada though
For us the classic formula wheels ~$50
F4s are about $60-65 CAD
is the price point more in line with what the classic formula wheels are?
The smallest i can easily find in f4s was 52mm actually and i was wanting to go smaller
For whatever reason, I've found that the lil smokies tend to hit australian shops before anywhere else. Chances are in a couple weeks you'll start to see those pop up around north america
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: disclosed on April 25, 2023, 10:49:27 AM
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i want these ^ i dont see them for sale anywhere in canada though
For us the classic formula wheels ~$50
F4s are about $60-65 CAD
is the price point more in line with what the classic formula wheels are?
The smallest i can easily find in f4s was 52mm actually and i was wanting to go smaller
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For whatever reason, I've found that the lil smokies tend to hit australian shops before anywhere else. Chances are in a couple weeks you'll start to see those pop up around north america

those conical lil smokies from a couple months ago never hit europe. only saw them in australia and japan.
i did see a load of 50mm tablets hit EU shops again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on April 25, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
To the DLX heads reading
Please, please, please, please please Bring back
OG Classics in 55mm. Best wheel ever and it sucks that it was taken away from us that suddenly
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SlapMcKracken on April 25, 2023, 12:58:40 PM
What difference do you feel when riding f4‘s compared to bones stf or og 100‘s?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 25, 2023, 03:53:23 PM
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i want these ^ i dont see them for sale anywhere in canada though
For us the classic formula wheels ~$50
F4s are about $60-65 CAD
is the price point more in line with what the classic formula wheels are?
The smallest i can easily find in f4s was 52mm actually and i was wanting to go smaller
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For whatever reason, I've found that the lil smokies tend to hit australian shops before anywhere else. Chances are in a couple weeks you'll start to see those pop up around north america
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those conical lil smokies from a couple months ago never hit europe. only saw them in australia and japan.
i did see a load of 50mm tablets hit EU shops again.


Re timeframe and releases of whees:

I think everything else takes a few months to arrive down here, so by the time we get anything in Australia, the next drop is already about to come out in US shops, so most likely these Lil Smokies were from the previous DLX stock, that just take a while to get here.  Example, the Evan Smith wheels only just came out here, so all black Lil Smokies in both 99 and 101 duro could have been from the black Radial wheels that came out last drop or so, then retooled and shipped out a month or more ago and only now hitting shops.

The shops that get them most likely have standing orders for anything like that too, so they might not even make it up on to the B2B sites or be on offer for other shops to buy, but that is just pure speculation.  It does seem like only a few shops get those wheels though.


Re price of wheels:

For AU shops, Formula Four wheels have just hit the $90 mark, some even more but most were sitting around $80 for a while, the Classic formula $70, up from $60 and the Lil Smokies about the same at $70 a set, but were more like $50 to $60 for a while.

Wheel prices have stayed fairly consistent for quite a while, just like a lot of other things, some shops keeping the price fairly even at $70 a set for Formula Four and $60 for Classic formula or so, minus whatever discounts, special % off deals or whatever, but I think the shortages and other issues with the pandemic put that price to bed for good, now everything going up and up and up.


I think other places round the world would be in a similar situation, everything taking a while to get to EU or other places besides USA, as well as prices going up considerably since the last two or so drops of stock.  This is just how it is, not a worry there, but as some people have said, you either pay for the quality of the brand and product, or you get something cheaper that will almost always make you regret buying other wheels.

There does seem to be some ups and downs with specific stock, standard lines which become scarce, other products coming in (especially super wide wheels right now replacing smaller slim profile wheels) that all take time in the production process, but I think most of the favourites will come back at some point, maybe just not when some people would like, if they have not stocked up on them when they were out.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on April 25, 2023, 08:56:36 PM
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Might be a one off thing, but a local shop here in Australia has some variations on the Lil Smokies, including a 51mm black Radial shape.  Currently two sets in stock.

As others had said before, the Lil Smokies are the wheels made from other larger wheels that for whatever reason seemed to not make the grade, so they shape them down and repackage them as these wheels.

Awesome if you want smaller wheels in familiar shapes, often in very unique options.


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/234979874154


(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/OMYAAOSwRTBkQG1Y/s-l500.jpg)

If these were 99's I would of bought these

I'm looking for 51mm 99a radials at the moment and don't care what colour


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on April 25, 2023, 11:51:33 PM
To the DLX heads reading
Please, please, please, please please Bring back
OG Classics in 55mm. Best wheel ever and it sucks that it was taken away from us that suddenly

TOTALLY seconded. One of my all-time favorite wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2023, 08:51:07 AM
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Might be a one off thing, but a local shop here in Australia has some variations on the Lil Smokies, including a 51mm black Radial shape.  Currently two sets in stock.

As others had said before, the Lil Smokies are the wheels made from other larger wheels that for whatever reason seemed to not make the grade, so they shape them down and repackage them as these wheels.

Awesome if you want smaller wheels in familiar shapes, often in very unique options.


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/234979874154


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If these were 99's I would of bought these

I'm looking for 51mm 99a radials at the moment and don't care what colour


That is the first 51 mm Radial shaped set of wheels I have ever seen, as far as I can recall.

Radial Slim came in smaller sizes like 51 mm, but not normal Radials.

Definitely had or seen the Radial shape in 52 mm as well as 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 and 58 mm through various standard options, pro special editions or colabs, but I guess that is what makes Lil Smokies so unique as well.

Even looking globally, this is the only set that pops up.

There seem to be most other shapes out there in Lil Smokies - Classic, Conical, Conical Full, Tablet, and now Radial.


On the same shop site, either Kick Push or their store on ebay, there are a ton of Lil Smokies, most in 99 duro and 50, 51 mm options in Conical or Conical Full that would be closest in overall size and shape.

Even a few other surprises on ebay or online, but all in other countries, so that doesn't help you at all.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on April 26, 2023, 09:41:00 AM
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Might be a one off thing, but a local shop here in Australia has some variations on the Lil Smokies, including a 51mm black Radial shape.  Currently two sets in stock.

As others had said before, the Lil Smokies are the wheels made from other larger wheels that for whatever reason seemed to not make the grade, so they shape them down and repackage them as these wheels.

Awesome if you want smaller wheels in familiar shapes, often in very unique options.


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/234979874154


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If these were 99's I would of bought these

I'm looking for 51mm 99a radials at the moment and don't care what colour
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That is the first 51 mm Radial shaped set of wheels I have ever seen, as far as I can recall.

Radial Slim came in smaller sizes like 51 mm, but not normal Radials.

Definitely had or seen the Radial shape in 52 mm as well as 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 and 58 mm through various standard options, pro special editions or colabs, but I guess that is what makes Lil Smokies so unique as well.

Even looking globally, this is the only set that pops up.

There seem to be most other shapes out there in Lil Smokies - Classic, Conical, Conical Full, Tablet, and now Radial.


On the same shop site, either Kick Push or their store on ebay, there are a ton of Lil Smokies, most in 99 duro and 50, 51 mm options in Conical or Conical Full that would be closest in overall size and shape.

Even a few other surprises on ebay or online, but all in other countries, so that doesn't help you at all.



But.... black wheels.....v :-X
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on April 26, 2023, 04:47:10 PM
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Might be a one off thing, but a local shop here in Australia has some variations on the Lil Smokies, including a 51mm black Radial shape.  Currently two sets in stock.

As others had said before, the Lil Smokies are the wheels made from other larger wheels that for whatever reason seemed to not make the grade, so they shape them down and repackage them as these wheels.

Awesome if you want smaller wheels in familiar shapes, often in very unique options.


https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/234979874154


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If these were 99's I would of bought these

I'm looking for 51mm 99a radials at the moment and don't care what colour
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That is the first 51 mm Radial shaped set of wheels I have ever seen, as far as I can recall.

Radial Slim came in smaller sizes like 51 mm, but not normal Radials.

Definitely had or seen the Radial shape in 52 mm as well as 53, 54, 55, 56, 57 and 58 mm through various standard options, pro special editions or colabs, but I guess that is what makes Lil Smokies so unique as well.

Even looking globally, this is the only set that pops up.

There seem to be most other shapes out there in Lil Smokies - Classic, Conical, Conical Full, Tablet, and now Radial.


On the same shop site, either Kick Push or their store on ebay, there are a ton of Lil Smokies, most in 99 duro and 50, 51 mm options in Conical or Conical Full that would be closest in overall size and shape.

Even a few other surprises on ebay or online, but all in other countries, so that doesn't help you at all.


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But.... black wheels.....v :-X

I was fooled by the spitfire size and shape guide they have Radials listed at 51
All good I ended up getting the last set of classic lil smokies 51mm from Kickpush
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2023, 06:18:37 PM
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But.... black wheels.....v :-X
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I was fooled by the spitfire size and shape guide they have Radials listed at 51
All good I ended up getting the last set of classic lil smokies 51mm from Kickpush


Ha yeah, not a worry.

Any other option besides white / natural can sometimes lead to wheel crisis / madness, but they all have their place and I think someone somewhere would be stoked on them.


To be fair re Radials in 51 mm, I think any wheel in that size would almost be a slim option anyway, when compared to other larger wheels of the same style, given Spitfire wheel dimensions get more narrow as they go down in diameter.

Guessing the Lil Smokies version of normal Radials would be around 51 x 31 with an 18.5 mm riding surface.

The Radial Slims in that size are 51 x 29.5 with an 18 mm riding surface, as per the chart.


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Post by: Nth syd bear on April 26, 2023, 06:51:37 PM
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But.... black wheels.....v :-X
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I was fooled by the spitfire size and shape guide they have Radials listed at 51
All good I ended up getting the last set of classic lil smokies 51mm from Kickpush
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Ha yeah, not a worry.

Any other option besides white / natural can sometimes lead to wheel crisis / madness, but they all have their place and I think someone somewhere would be stoked on them.


To be fair re Radials in 51 mm, I think any wheel in that size would almost be a slim option anyway, when compared to other larger wheels of the same style, given Spitfire wheel dimensions get more narrow as they go down in diameter.

Guessing the Lil Smokies version of normal Radials would be around 51 x 31 with an 18.5 mm riding surface.

The Radial Slims in that size are 51 x 29.5 with an 18 mm riding surface, as per the chart.

I actually started skating those 51 conical full swirls the last two days I'm starting to like them
Trying to skate through my stack of decks in 7.875-8.125 range
at the moment and some different wheel choices is nice

Those indy lows you know i got recently has sent me back down to the small popsicle rabbit hole i like to visit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on April 26, 2023, 06:56:52 PM
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But.... black wheels.....v :-X
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I was fooled by the spitfire size and shape guide they have Radials listed at 51
All good I ended up getting the last set of classic lil smokies 51mm from Kickpush
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Ha yeah, not a worry.

Any other option besides white / natural can sometimes lead to wheel crisis / madness, but they all have their place and I think someone somewhere would be stoked on them.


To be fair re Radials in 51 mm, I think any wheel in that size would almost be a slim option anyway, when compared to other larger wheels of the same style, given Spitfire wheel dimensions get more narrow as they go down in diameter.

Guessing the Lil Smokies version of normal Radials would be around 51 x 31 with an 18.5 mm riding surface.

The Radial Slims in that size are 51 x 29.5 with an 18 mm riding surface, as per the chart.

This may be the closest thing we get to 99a Radial Slims, I may have to bite the bullet and go black wheels (shudders)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 26, 2023, 07:03:50 PM


This may be the closest thing we get to 99a Radial Slims, I may have to bite the bullet and go black wheels (shudders)


I still think the Conical shape is closest.

They were the ones I took a little bit off each side, to make them as close to Radial Slim as I could.


How much would a cheap, battery recharge type of angle grinder cost?

Might cost less than your sanity with no more Radial Slims...

;)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on April 27, 2023, 07:52:57 AM
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This may be the closest thing we get to 99a Radial Slims, I may have to bite the bullet and go black wheels (shudders)
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I still think the Conical shape is closest.

They were the ones I took a little bit off each side, to make them as close to Radial Slim as I could.


How much would a cheap, battery recharge type of angle grinder cost?

Might cost less than your sanity with no more Radial Slims...

;)

I want to do this to my conicals. I keep talking about it. I’m just afraid I’m gonna mess up. Like have 4 different radiuses or something.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 27, 2023, 06:14:08 PM
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This may be the closest thing we get to 99a Radial Slims, I may have to bite the bullet and go black wheels (shudders)
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I still think the Conical shape is closest.

They were the ones I took a little bit off each side, to make them as close to Radial Slim as I could.


How much would a cheap, battery recharge type of angle grinder cost?

Might cost less than your sanity with no more Radial Slims...

;)
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I want to do this to my conicals. I keep talking about it. I’m just afraid I’m gonna mess up. Like have 4 different radiuses or something.


I found it best to work on an old set of wheels first, feel it out and see what is good.

When I hold the angle grinder, I usually have one hand firmly on the handle, the other supporting the guard on it while resting on the truck, often but not always a foot on the board, flat on its back on a solid floor.

That was easier than on a bench, in a vice or other thing, but everyone is different, so see what works for you more than anything.

Also just go easy at it, a little here going more back and forth, left to right or rocking motion as I did it - figure out what is best and don't do too much at a time.


For the Conical to Radial Slim shape, I took off just a little of the middle area (widest point) and slightly rounded it back over that edge to the riding surface, so they really didn't need much at all for that change.

When I round off the Conical Full to a bit more rounder edge, it takes a bit more.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CcFV17LJ0Sx/


https://www.instagram.com/p/CcFUxk1p2Ue/

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on April 27, 2023, 08:28:14 PM
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This may be the closest thing we get to 99a Radial Slims, I may have to bite the bullet and go black wheels (shudders)
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I still think the Conical shape is closest.

They were the ones I took a little bit off each side, to make them as close to Radial Slim as I could.


How much would a cheap, battery recharge type of angle grinder cost?

Might cost less than your sanity with no more Radial Slims...

;)
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I want to do this to my conicals. I keep talking about it. I’m just afraid I’m gonna mess up. Like have 4 different radiuses or something.
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I found it best to work on an old set of wheels first, feel it out and see what is good.

When I hold the angle grinder, I usually have one hand firmly on the handle, the other supporting the guard on it while resting on the truck, often but not always a foot on the board, flat on its back on a solid floor.

That was easier than on a bench, in a vice or other thing, but everyone is different, so see what works for you more than anything.

Also just go easy at it, a little here going more back and forth, left to right or rocking motion as I did it - figure out what is best and don't do too much at a time.


For the Conical to Radial Slim shape, I took off just a little of the middle area (widest point) and slightly rounded it back over that edge to the riding surface, so they really didn't need much at all for that change.

When I round off the Conical Full to a bit more rounder edge, it takes a bit more.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CcFV17LJ0Sx/


https://www.instagram.com/p/CcFUxk1p2Ue/

Well, looks like I got to get those set up again, thanks a mil @Mbrimson88 !
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on April 27, 2023, 09:00:18 PM
@Mbrimson88  thanks for explaining it I’m gonna try and do it this weekend maybe tomorrow. If I get a chance to do it I’ll post pics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on April 28, 2023, 07:00:07 AM
those look sick as fuck i bet you can tip the board up on 2 wheels really easily like that, and noseslide > crook combos all day
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on April 28, 2023, 07:30:56 PM
does anybody know if the colored formula fours feel different than the white ones?

call me crazy but i have this idea in my head that they perform differently
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: flintstagram on April 28, 2023, 10:30:10 PM
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To the DLX heads reading
Please, please, please, please please Bring back
OG Classics in 55mm. Best wheel ever and it sucks that it was taken away from us that suddenly
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TOTALLY seconded. One of my all-time favorite wheels.

Yes, this wheel rules.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 28, 2023, 11:32:23 PM
does anybody know if the colored formula fours feel different than the white ones?

call me crazy but i have this idea in my head that they perform differently


Thankfully they are all exactly the same for the same duro, eg 99 natural or any colour or swirl all perform in the same way, slide the same, etc.


Some of the 101 felt a bit different between different sets, not that colour has anything to do with that, just a bit more funny in how they perform, even between a few different natural / white sets, but I almost feel like the 101 coloured options are more uniform when I have tried them.


Back in the old days (80s), there definitely was something to it, as others have said, different additives for colour options had different effects on the performance of the wheels, but I think somewhere along the way, almost every wheel maker can make wheels of any colour or option that perform the same now.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on April 29, 2023, 08:09:51 AM
So, I recently set up a set of Conical Fulls I rode for two months last winter (indoor park). I cleaned my bearings and tried to put them back and I found in one wheel they barely went in. I had to put a lot more effort to get the bearings in that one wheel than the others. I also seemed to spin worse (differently). Do I have a defect wheel now? I read somewhere here people having at least one bad wheel in a new set.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on April 29, 2023, 10:20:26 AM
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does anybody know if the colored formula fours feel different than the white ones?

call me crazy but i have this idea in my head that they perform differently
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Thankfully they are all exactly the same for the same duro, eg 99 natural or any colour or swirl all perform in the same way, slide the same, etc.


Some of the 101 felt a bit different between different sets, not that colour has anything to do with that, just a bit more funny in how they perform, even between a few different natural / white sets, but I almost feel like the 101 coloured options are more uniform when I have tried them.


Back in the old days (80s), there definitely was something to it, as others have said, different additives for colour options had different effects on the performance of the wheels, but I think somewhere along the way, almost every wheel maker can make wheels of any colour or option that perform the same now.

From what I can tell, white wheels also have dye added to them so it should not feel that different. Urethane is not white. That being said, whenever I use colored wheels I feel like they are a tiny bit softer... probably should perceived. It wouldn't stop me mixing a colored wheel with white wheels though. it is that negligible.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on April 29, 2023, 02:19:44 PM
does anybody know if the colored formula fours feel different than the white ones?

call me crazy but i have this idea in my head that they perform differently
i will swear by colored spits feeling different. softer, or more forgiving.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 29, 2023, 06:35:28 PM
So, I recently set up a set of Conical Fulls I rode for two months last winter (indoor park). I cleaned my bearings and tried to put them back and I found in one wheel they barely went in. I had to put a lot more effort to get the bearings in that one wheel than the others. I also seemed to spin worse (differently). Do I have a defect wheel now? I read somewhere here people having at least one bad wheel in a new set.


There were some issues with the bearing seat being a bit off in some wheels from a while back.  I had a set with that issue, returned for a replacement set from the shop, no issues - just the plain blue logo graphic Conical Full 54 mm 99 duro wheels.  Others also found one wheel (usually just one but sometimes two) in various sets had a defect with something similar.

The best way to check is put a bearing on an axle and put the wheel on it, seated fully, then spin the wheel.  Take it off, removing the bearing, turn it over and try it again the other way.  If the wheel spins a bit off center while on either bearing then it is most likely going to be something like that mentioned above.

The wheel I had with that issue just did not seat at all when trying to set up the board, so being brand new it was easy to replace.


Also to note, I have seen wheels left with something sitting on them end up deformed too, like a board box or something a little heavier than normal and a set of wheels left under stuff in the car or where ever.  One set that was skated a lot for a while, worn down a mm or two, then taken off and was in a car, then went to put back on and it was oval shaped.  That happened to someone I know and it was the weirdest thing, as they were not new wheels, but we worked out that is what happened - had a full board box sitting on the wheel for a while and squashed it.

I put a well used old wheel in a vice once just to see and sure enough it flattened it from a nice round shape, that bounced back almost but not completely to more a slight oval when released, not that anyone should do something like that to good wheels.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on April 30, 2023, 03:01:25 AM
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So, I recently set up a set of Conical Fulls I rode for two months last winter (indoor park). I cleaned my bearings and tried to put them back and I found in one wheel they barely went in. I had to put a lot more effort to get the bearings in that one wheel than the others. I also seemed to spin worse (differently). Do I have a defect wheel now? I read somewhere here people having at least one bad wheel in a new set.
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There were some issues with the bearing seat being a bit off in some wheels from a while back.  I had a set with that issue, returned for a replacement set from the shop, no issues - just the plain blue logo graphic Conical Full 54 mm 99 duro wheels.  Others also found one wheel (usually just one but sometimes two) in various sets had a defect with something similar.

The best way to check is put a bearing on an axle and put the wheel on it, seated fully, then spin the wheel.  Take it off, removing the bearing, turn it over and try it again the other way.  If the wheel spins a bit off center while on either bearing then it is most likely going to be something like that mentioned above.

The wheel I had with that issue just did not seat at all when trying to set up the board, so being brand new it was easy to replace.


Also to note, I have seen wheels left with something sitting on them end up deformed too, like a board box or something a little heavier than normal and a set of wheels left under stuff in the car or where ever.  One set that was skated a lot for a while, worn down a mm or two, then taken off and was in a car, then went to put back on and it was oval shaped.  That happened to someone I know and it was the weirdest thing, as they were not new wheels, but we worked out that is what happened - had a full board box sitting on the wheel for a while and squashed it.

I put a well used old wheel in a vice once just to see and sure enough it flattened it from a nice round shape, that bounced back almost but not completely to more a slight oval when released, not that anyone should do something like that to good wheels.

Yeah, so I double checked this and one of the bearing seats fits very tightly / is a bit off on one the CF 99d wheels. It still spins fairly well but differently than the other three so I might as well skate it as is. I also checked a set of 99d Conical regs and bearings went in just nicely and the wheels spin very well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on April 30, 2023, 05:04:28 AM
 Just wanna say I've tried all the soft/hybrid wheels in the last months because of a super slippery new miniramp near me. And in the end, nothing performed as well in terms of grip and slide than 57mm 99a F4 radials I've had laying around anyway. They're 56 now, super wide riding surface and feel perfect. Surprisingly grippy on turns, but no friction against the coping.

The coldest take: F4 wheels are really good

(In terms of small/skinny wheels, the bones 97a performed the best)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on April 30, 2023, 05:47:28 AM
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To the DLX heads reading
Please, please, please, please please Bring back
OG Classics in 55mm. Best wheel ever and it sucks that it was taken away from us that suddenly
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TOTALLY seconded. One of my all-time favorite wheels.

lol i learned so many tricks on that wheel. it locked in on buttery ledges better than a tablet
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on April 30, 2023, 05:48:27 AM
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does anybody know if the colored formula fours feel different than the white ones?

call me crazy but i have this idea in my head that they perform differently
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i will swear by colored spits feeling different. softer, or more forgiving.

they dont have the same bark on smooth ground as raw spits and they for sure feel softer
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfrontshuv on April 30, 2023, 05:50:28 AM
Does anyone know of the major difference between skating the 56 and 55mm classic shapes? i remember someone mentioned before that 56mm is a bigger difference in the wheel being a 53mm radial after they wear down, one more like a radial slim vs. regular radial or something
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on April 30, 2023, 05:56:22 AM
Just wanna say I've tried all the soft/hybrid wheels in the last months because of a super slippery new miniramp near me. And in the end, nothing performed as well in terms of grip and slide than 57mm F4 radials I've had laying around anyway. They're 56 now, super wide riding surface and feel perfect. Surprisingly grippy on turns, but no friction against the coping.

The coldest take: F4 wheels are really good

(In terms of small/skinny wheels, the bones 97a performed the best)

Were the Spits 97a as well? I've been eyeing those and about to get them. Or the bones 97a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on April 30, 2023, 08:05:58 AM
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Just wanna say I've tried all the soft/hybrid wheels in the last months because of a super slippery new miniramp near me. And in the end, nothing performed as well in terms of grip and slide than 57mm F4 radials I've had laying around anyway. They're 56 now, super wide riding surface and feel perfect. Surprisingly grippy on turns, but no friction against the coping.

The coldest take: F4 wheels are really good

(In terms of small/skinny wheels, the bones 97a performed the best)
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Were the Spits 97a as well? I've been eyeing those and about to get them. Or the bones 97a.

My radials are 99a. Should have mentioned that. Gonna edit it.

Gotta say bones 97a >>> spit 97a on any terrain.

Spit 97 feels like a 98 that just doesn't slide as well when you want it to slide. The bones 97 actually give you grip and slide, even in a slim shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: YungJugg on April 30, 2023, 10:31:30 AM
Does anyone know of the major difference between skating the 56 and 55mm classic shapes? i remember someone mentioned before that 56mm is a bigger difference in the wheel being a 53mm radial after they wear down, one more like a radial slim vs. regular radial or something

There’s only a 0.3mm increase in both width and riding surface, it’s negligible. Especially once they wear down a couple mm I can’t tell the difference between the two.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on April 30, 2023, 01:43:47 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/8rts7rj/IMG-3240.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8rts7rj)

I ended up using an angle grinder to round out one side my conical regs.  So they are like a skinnier lock in. I’m not sure if I got all the radiuses to match but I’m pretty happy with them. Lock in and I got some assist on scoop tricks. I’ll probably round the other side out when they begin to cone
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on April 30, 2023, 05:39:20 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/8rts7rj/IMG-3240.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8rts7rj)

I ended up using an angle grinder to round out one side my conical regs.  So they are like a skinnier lock in. I’m not sure if I got all the radiuses to match but I’m pretty happy with them. Lock in and I got some assist on scoop tricks. I’ll probably round the other side out when they begin to cone


That looks pretty good, so yeah, just nice and slow at working them and it is easy to do a bit here and there as needed.

I do both sides of the wheel while on the board, but the inside edge is harder to do than the outside edge and I often scored the truck hanger here and there when getting used to the process, so it is worth doing them all one way, then flipping the wheels over and doing the other side from the outside edge as well.

The main thing for me, that I noticed immediately is how much more the wheels felt like newer wheels do on coping or edges, after I had rounded off the worn down squared off edge of the Conical Full wheels to be a bit more in between shapes, but I like a little more rounded edge.

It is all down to personal preference too, so you can really customise the wheel shapes to whatever you want.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on May 01, 2023, 07:05:01 AM
does anybody know if the colored formula fours feel different than the white ones?

call me crazy but i have this idea in my head that they perform differently
I felt no difference performance wise
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on May 01, 2023, 08:59:47 AM
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does anybody know if the colored formula fours feel different than the white ones?

call me crazy but i have this idea in my head that they perform differently
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I felt no difference performance wise
The black radials I had were the first f4s i've flatspotted although I admittedly was doing a bunch of powerslides out of tricks. It evened out quick tho and has been rolling nice again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 01, 2023, 09:12:28 AM
Unless you are riding a clear brown, yellow or green looking wheel, you are riding a dyed wheel. The question we should be asking is, are white-dyed wheels any different to other colors?

Also, I'd be stoked on a natural urethane (no dye) wheel.

Its also why I like potato brown F4s...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: schralp pal on May 01, 2023, 09:29:22 AM
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Does anyone know of the major difference between skating the 56 and 55mm classic shapes? i remember someone mentioned before that 56mm is a bigger difference in the wheel being a 53mm radial after they wear down, one more like a radial slim vs. regular radial or something
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There’s only a 0.3mm increase in both width and riding surface, it’s negligible. Especially once they wear down a couple mm I can’t tell the difference between the two.

That's what makes the 55 so sweet (and similar to the 56s) the riding patch jumps up 1 mm  between 54 and 55, where as the difference between the riding patch between sizes below 54 is only .5mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: The Mexican Nancy Chin on May 01, 2023, 10:39:22 AM
For anyone interested, thrasher has a giveaway going on for 3 packs of formula four's. It's 2 packs of 99 duro and 1 of 101 duro. Doesn't say size though. I assume they'd ask the winner what size they want in the notification email

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/giveaways/?GIVEAWAYSPITFIREAPRILV1
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hiljentaa on May 01, 2023, 04:19:17 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/8rts7rj/IMG-3240.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8rts7rj)

I ended up using an angle grinder to round out one side my conical regs.  So they are like a skinnier lock in. I’m not sure if I got all the radiuses to match but I’m pretty happy with them. Lock in and I got some assist on scoop tricks. I’ll probably round the other side out when they begin to cone

Nice! Would gnar.

Wheel reshaping nerdery coming to more slap posts soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: thanksgiving on May 02, 2023, 01:00:54 AM
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does anybody know if the colored formula fours feel different than the white ones?

call me crazy but i have this idea in my head that they perform differently
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i will swear by colored spits feeling different. softer, or more forgiving.
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they dont have the same bark on smooth ground as raw spits and they for sure feel softer
YES much quieter and "in the pavement" feeling, honestly prefer it
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SupremePizza on May 02, 2023, 10:44:01 AM
Since getting back into skating three years ago I've been riding Girl wheels or whatever was on sale. Picked up the Skate like a girl classics in 56mm and have been riding them for the last few weeks. I wish I got F4s years ago. Not sure how to describe it or if the quantum atoms are making a difference but the ride is just so much better in a way. It just feels more controlled while being easier to slide compared to my girl wheels. Still trying to decide if I like 56mm as the largest I skated before was 54mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kneebone on May 02, 2023, 10:58:50 AM
Since getting back into skating three years ago I've been riding Girl wheels or whatever was on sale. Picked up the Skate like a girl classics in 56mm and have been riding them for the last few weeks. I wish I got F4s years ago. Not sure how to describe it or if the quantum atoms are making a difference but the ride is just so much better in a way. It just feels more controlled while being easier to slide compared to my girl wheels. Still trying to decide if I like 56mm as the largest I skated before was 54mm.
Girl/Choco wheels are some of the worst wheels I've ever ridden. The Atoms are also great, but I can tell you the improvement you're noticing is 100% the wheels. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on May 03, 2023, 04:15:29 AM
Since getting back into skating three years ago I've been riding Girl wheels or whatever was on sale. Picked up the Skate like a girl classics in 56mm and have been riding them for the last few weeks. I wish I got F4s years ago. Not sure how to describe it or if the quantum atoms are making a difference but the ride is just so much better in a way. It just feels more controlled while being easier to slide compared to my girl wheels. Still trying to decide if I like 56mm as the largest I skated before was 54mm.

Replace the Atoms with Bones Swisses and you'll be absolutely flying.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 12, 2023, 06:16:58 PM
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on May 12, 2023, 06:20:27 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/nRQL9f6/F26-B027-F-0903-4353-AAA9-CC17598-EF9-CB.png)

Is it asymmetrical or is it just my eyes?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on May 12, 2023, 06:46:07 PM
lock in full?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on May 12, 2023, 06:59:57 PM
 Still leaving so much on the table by not putting the graphic on the other side of the lock-ins and calling them lock-outs.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 12, 2023, 09:50:37 PM
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Is it asymmetrical or is it just my eyes?

Def has a Mini-Combo vibe. Seems like an odd thing to get into when you already have Lock-Ins going, as well as hundreds of angry people on the internet wanting Radial Slims.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 12, 2023, 11:20:31 PM


Def has a Mini-Combo vibe. Seems like an odd thing to get into when you already have Lock-Ins going, as well as hundreds of angry people on the internet wanting Radial Slims.




I do wonder in reality how many people actually want Radial Slims, or if it is more the vocal minority because DLX really do seem to listen to people and make product that people are keen on, or bring back things if enough people want something.

From what others in the know have said, there is no light at the end of this Radial Slim tunnel, but who really knows unless they have enough people pounding on their digital door asking for something and the powers that be do think it is a viable option.


The wide wheel trend is in full effect, so anything else super wide is definitely going to be lapped up and sell quickly, regardless of the exact shape, but the mini combo shaped wheels have been a good one for a while now, so it would make sense to have something similar to that in the current climate.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 12, 2023, 11:52:52 PM
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Why are wide wheels so popular right now? My experience with super wide wheels is that they are heavy and make everything harder. I know a few people who tried the radial fulls and they have said the same. It would be cool if they made a new shape that was more functional
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Quique on May 13, 2023, 12:05:18 AM
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Is it asymmetrical or is it just my eyes?
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Def has a Mini-Combo vibe. Seems like an odd thing to get into when you already have Lock-Ins going, as well as hundreds of angry people on the internet wanting Radial Slims.

Maybe these are the lock-ins full that The Bunt talked about before the rapid fire in the Reese Forbes interview.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on May 13, 2023, 12:09:32 AM
Wide asym wheels? No thanks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on May 13, 2023, 12:48:48 AM
Bleh. Is there really demand for another shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: white guy in a durag on May 13, 2023, 04:36:24 AM
Spitfire please, just make more 60mm Radial Fulls. I'm begging. I'll need to open my back up set soon.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on May 13, 2023, 05:16:00 AM
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Why are wide wheels so popular right now? My experience with super wide wheels is that they are heavy and make everything harder. I know a few people who tried the radial fulls and they have said the same. It would be cool if they made a new shape that was more functional

Cause they look cool
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on May 13, 2023, 05:17:23 AM
Did spitfire give up on the slim wheel market share?
Seems like bones never even tried to get any of the wide wheel share either.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on May 13, 2023, 05:57:30 AM
Spitfire make a classic with side cuts. Like bones v5
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on May 13, 2023, 06:09:38 AM
Spitfire make a classic with side cuts. Like bones v5
Just thought about that as well. Would be the best wheel ever.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on May 13, 2023, 07:29:35 AM
It doesn't seem consistent with the lock-ins full description from the catalog:
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A wider version of the lock-in shape.
Asymmetrical shape and design, featuring a conical cut profile on one side and a straight edge "lock-in" cut on the other
that wheel in the story doesn't really look asymetrical, iirc the inside should be flatter

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0475/6461/9930/products/spitfire-lock-ins-shape_65092113-32f5-4250-90ba-4123d69656cb.jpg?v=1649151868)

but based on this picture, i guess that new shape is the lock-ins full
(https://cdn.skatedeluxe.com/thumb/lUPnItCjajgehjks62yMho7ivyo=/fit-in/600x700/filters:fill(white):brightness(-4)/product/160342-0-Spitfire-FormulaFourLockIns.jpg)

Radial full are coming in 54mm. Not a new shape per se but a new diameter option for radial full

Anyway Lock-Ins Full and Radial Full 54mm are the only wheels that could be considered new in the Summer catalog

i think Radial full suck, they make your hanger so tiny
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on May 13, 2023, 09:11:29 AM
Why are wide wheels so popular right now? My experience with super wide wheels is that they are heavy and make everything harder.
Because they last longer and are more stable.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on May 13, 2023, 10:59:49 AM
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Its a lock in full
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on May 13, 2023, 11:02:01 AM
Spitfire make a classic with side cuts. Like bones v5

This would be amazing
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 13, 2023, 01:33:12 PM
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Def has a Mini-Combo vibe. Seems like an odd thing to get into when you already have Lock-Ins going, as well as hundreds of angry people on the internet wanting Radial Slims.

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I do wonder in reality how many people actually want Radial Slims, or if it is more the vocal minority because DLX really do seem to listen to people and make product that people are keen on, or bring back things if enough people want something.

From what others in the know have said, there is no light at the end of this Radial Slim tunnel, but who really knows unless they have enough people pounding on their digital door asking for something and the powers that be do think it is a viable option.


The wide wheel trend is in full effect, so anything else super wide is definitely going to be lapped up and sell quickly, regardless of the exact shape, but the mini combo shaped wheels have been a good one for a while now, so it would make sense to have something similar to that in the current climate.

That’s true. I guess it just feels like a “ramp wheel” shape to me and Spitfire has always been more of a “street wheel” brand. That said, these look much better than the regular Lock-Ins to me. Aesthetically, I never liked the Tablet half on those (even though I don’t mind the look of Tablets in general).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on May 13, 2023, 03:44:48 PM
They should release the Conical Boul shape designed to skate the streets of Philly. From running from the cops at Muni to skating the grimiest cellar door. Don't be a fool, Conical Boul.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on May 13, 2023, 10:34:39 PM
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Spitfire make a classic with side cuts. Like bones v5
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This would be amazing

Or they could just bring back Radial Slims in 99a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on May 14, 2023, 01:32:35 AM
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Spitfire make a classic with side cuts. Like bones v5
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This would be amazing
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Or they could just bring back Radial Slims in 99a

This.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 14, 2023, 01:58:25 AM
It doesn't seem consistent with the lock-ins full description from the catalog:
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A wider version of the lock-in shape.
Asymmetrical shape and design, featuring a conical cut profile on one side and a straight edge "lock-in" cut on the other
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that wheel in the story doesn't really look asymetrical, iirc the inside should be flatter


Radial full are coming in 54mm. Not a new shape per se but a new diameter option for radial full

Anyway Lock-Ins Full and Radial Full 54mm are the only wheels that could be considered new in the Summer catalog

i think Radial full suck, they make your hanger so tiny


I guess it just feels like a “ramp wheel” shape to me and Spitfire has always been more of a “street wheel” brand. That said, these look much better than the regular Lock-Ins to me. Aesthetically, I never liked the Tablet half on those (even though I don’t mind the look of Tablets in general).


For anyone who has had old Lock Ins, does the current back of the wheel look a lot more rounded than it used to?

The first set of those I got seemed like they were so very sharp on the back edge of them, not quite to a point but definitely way more Tablet sided, but seeing the new ones now, they are way more rounded.

I did also notice that the older ones did sit way more offset in covering more hanger, whereas the newer ones sit way more offset out not covering much past the washers on the hanger.  No idea when that shape changed, but it has for sure.


That new shape looks way more "normal" sort of like the mini combo wheel shape, as earlier stated, but I still prefer any wheel that I can flip over and still ride the same, way more than an asymmetrical shaped wheel.

Curious to see these, but not curious enough to buy a set.



Did spitfire give up on the slim wheel market share?
Seems like bones never even tried to get any of the wide wheel share either.


Funny you say that because most shops didn't want to touch the wider Bones wheels and there were some very big wide wheels around, maybe still around, but the V6 shape is the newest one and is round and full.

Can't remember the shape but the SPF 60mm big round ones were 40mm wide and I had a number of those pass through my hands for the guys who wanted something like the Spitfire Bighead shape in 59mm x 39mm sizes.

Looked them up and P3 were the wide ones.

https://www.basementskate.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/bones-wheels-shapes_3_1-1.jpg


I guess too, seeing the smaller Spitfire Lil Smokies, or just the regular F4 Classics, or Tablets, or even Conical shape, there are still a number of options for slim wheels, but they definitely are not the slimmest wheels on the market, as per some of those Bones STF wheels under 30mm wide, or the STF V3 like 54x30mm with thin riding surface, which is what one of the spono guys would always ask for.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on May 14, 2023, 07:32:54 AM
The newest batch of conical fulls and Lock ons definitely got a slight shape change. Conicals have a bit more radius on the edges vs the sharper one that seemed more prone to chipping.
The new max Palmer wheels are a lighter color and the graphic seems to wear away slower. The wheels feel awesome and slide better than the last few sets I skated.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on May 14, 2023, 08:28:09 AM
The newest batch of conical fulls and Lock ons definitely got a slight shape change. Conicals have a bit more radius on the edges vs the sharper one that seemed more prone to chipping.
The new max Palmer wheels are a lighter color and the graphic seems to wear away slower. The wheels feel awesome and slide better than the last few sets I skated.

whoa, hopefully someone comes through with some comparison pictures
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on May 14, 2023, 08:55:22 AM
The newest batch of conical fulls and Lock ons definitely got a slight shape change. Conicals have a bit more radius on the edges vs the sharper one that seemed more prone to chipping.
The new max Palmer wheels are a lighter color and the graphic seems to wear away slower. The wheels feel awesome and slide better than the last few sets I skated.

same got the 56 cf skatelikeagirl sets and they slide better than the 56 cfs i had in 2020
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on May 15, 2023, 09:18:03 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CsRSlBMJQ-Z/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CsRSlBMJQ-Z/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on May 15, 2023, 10:45:07 AM
recently switched back from wide F4 stuff, like conical fulls and radials, to classic shape... noticeably clears up some truck real estate, which is fun. 

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fast_Freddie on May 15, 2023, 11:59:29 AM
Went from 53mm 99du Conical Full back to an Ishod 53mm 99du Classic and think imma stick with the classics for a bit...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on May 15, 2023, 12:30:15 PM
recently switched back from wide F4 stuff, like conical fulls and radials, to classic shape... noticeably clears up some truck real estate, which is fun.
They're almost exactly the same width though. Classics just have a tiny riding surface, but they're super wide
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on May 15, 2023, 02:42:10 PM
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recently switched back from wide F4 stuff, like conical fulls and radials, to classic shape... noticeably clears up some truck real estate, which is fun.
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They're almost exactly the same width though. Classics just have a tiny riding surface, but they're super wide

well, there goes that hair-brained theory of mine.  still like the return to the classics.   

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/ed/fb/5dedfbda7807e34d669b6c07808ac5d2.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on May 15, 2023, 04:03:03 PM
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recently switched back from wide F4 stuff, like conical fulls and radials, to classic shape... noticeably clears up some truck real estate, which is fun.
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They're almost exactly the same width though. Classics just have a tiny riding surface, but they're super wide
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well, there goes that hair-brained theory of mine.  still like the return to the classics.   

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/ed/fb/5dedfbda7807e34d669b6c07808ac5d2.jpg)

For angled grinds like a crook they have more room/less severe angle because the sidewall of the wheel is sliding
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on May 15, 2023, 06:11:44 PM
I just went from classics to conical regs and i feel like I keep missing 50 50s but lock in on crooks better. Can someone smarter than me tell me if it’s just me making it up  or is this because of the wheels?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WideFeet on May 15, 2023, 08:49:54 PM
I just went from classics to conical regs and i feel like I keep missing 50 50s but lock in on crooks better. Can someone smarter than me tell me if it’s just me making it up  or is this because of the wheels?

Classics tend to give you more hanger, but not a ton more where you should be missing 50-50’s. But, it sounds like there’s a correlation between the 2 for you personally. So, maybe?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on May 23, 2023, 08:13:40 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CslxQIMLQEp/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CslxQIMLQEp/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: spacial_profiling on May 23, 2023, 08:33:17 AM
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I just went from classics to conical regs and i feel like I keep missing 50 50s but lock in on crooks better. Can someone smarter than me tell me if it’s just me making it up  or is this because of the wheels?
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Classics tend to give you more hanger, but not a ton more where you should be missing 50-50’s. But, it sounds like there’s a correlation between the 2 for you personally. So, maybe?
Classic edges=round=slip on 5050. Conical edges=flat=catch on 5050. Some would argue that classics pinch better as well, but there’s a huge conical trend and all these kids are pinching like crazy so idk if shape truly matters to that. I’ll slip out on back 5050 with classics for sure just cause it’s going over the lip.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on May 23, 2023, 08:36:16 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CslxQIMLQEp/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CslxQIMLQEp/)

id love a radial full in the 52-54 range
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on May 23, 2023, 10:20:51 AM
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id love a radial full in the 52-54 range

Those wheels come in 54mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: art hellman on May 23, 2023, 10:22:58 AM
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id love a radial full in the 52-54 range
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Those wheels come in 54mm

oh man, thanks for point that out.  i didnt go through all the slides
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on May 23, 2023, 10:24:15 AM
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id love a radial full in the 52-54 range
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 23, 2023, 04:46:57 PM
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Ha yeah, just skate the 54 mm wheel down a bit and there you go.

I know it is not as easy as that, but once any of the bigger wheels wear down a lot, that is what they look like.

Kinda funny seeing wheels that were 58 x 38 now down to 52 mm but still 38 wide.


I took a screen shot of the new chart anyway, as others might not go through the post to see it.


(https://i.ibb.co/CVYDc66/Spitfire-Radial-Full-new-chart.jpg) (https://ibb.co/p4M57QQ)


Lock In Full chart too:


(https://i.ibb.co/dtcWvKb/Spitfire-Lock-In-Full-new-chart.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vhBwWzs)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WideFeet on May 23, 2023, 08:39:50 PM
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Spitfire make a classic with side cuts. Like bones v5
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This would be amazing

I’ve been saying this! Flip like a Classic, lock-in like a conical. Conical Slim!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on May 23, 2023, 10:52:36 PM
I've said this before and I'll say it again: the normal Radial is great combination of basically every F4 wheel. Not too conical, not too round, not too wide, not too slim. Flips, locks in, does basically everything. Am I tripping? If so, it's a good trip.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on May 23, 2023, 10:56:33 PM
the normal Radial is a great F4 wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on May 23, 2023, 10:57:09 PM
I've said this before and I'll say it again: the normal Radial Slim is great combination of basically every F4 wheel. Not too conical, not too round, not too wide, not too slim. Flips, locks in, does basically everything. Am I tripping? If so, it's a good trip.

Fixed. :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on May 23, 2023, 11:04:18 PM
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I've said this before and I'll say it again: the normal Radial Slim is great combination of basically every F4 wheel. Not too conical, not too round, not too wide, not too slim. Flips, locks in, does basically everything. Am I tripping? If so, it's a good trip.
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Fixed. :)

Haha! Well, that's the second best F4 wheel IMO so won't start an argument here. :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on May 23, 2023, 11:22:11 PM
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I've said this before and I'll say it again: the normal Radial Slim is great combination of basically every F4 wheel. Not too conical, not too round, not too wide, not too slim. Flips, locks in, does basically everything. Am I tripping? If so, it's a good trip.
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Fixed. :)
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Haha! Well, that's the second best F4 wheel IMO so won't start an argument here. :)

Fair. :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on May 24, 2023, 06:00:14 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CslxQIMLQEp/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CslxQIMLQEp/)
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id love a radial full in the 52-54 range
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a wide 52 would be great
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on May 24, 2023, 06:33:05 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CslxQIMLQEp/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CslxQIMLQEp/)

This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2023, 07:11:49 AM

This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear


You are not the only one.

I have taken more than a few graphics off, not just for myself, but also when people wanted a wheel shape, but didn't like the graphic that came on the wheel, so besides turning the graphic in, I had often taken a razor blade and scratched off the graphic, just to keep them happy.

They do look good with the thin round circle close in to the bearings on Formula Four Classics and others that have that sort of graphic, but some of the bigger single graphics I can definitely see they will need to come off for some people I skate with.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on May 24, 2023, 07:12:05 AM
I've said this before and I'll say it again: the normal Radial is great combination of basically every F4 wheel. Not too conical, not too round, not too wide, not too slim. Flips, locks in, does basically everything. Am I tripping? If so, it's a good trip.

Its like a pre-worn in classic, perfect wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on May 24, 2023, 07:14:32 AM
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This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear
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You are not the only one.

I have taken more than a few graphics off, not just for myself, but also when people wanted a wheel shape, but didn't like the graphic that came on the wheel, so besides turning the graphic in, I had often taken a razor blade and scratched off the graphic, just to keep them happy.

They do look good with the thin round circle close in to the bearings on Formula Four Classics and others that have that sort of graphic, but some of the bigger single graphics I can definitely see they will need to come off for some people I skate with.

Every. Word. Of. This. Post.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2023, 07:32:59 AM
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This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear
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You are not the only one.

I have taken more than a few graphics off, not just for myself, but also when people wanted a wheel shape, but didn't like the graphic that came on the wheel, so besides turning the graphic in, I had often taken a razor blade and scratched off the graphic, just to keep them happy.

They do look good with the thin round circle close in to the bearings on Formula Four Classics and others that have that sort of graphic, but some of the bigger single graphics I can definitely see they will need to come off for some people I skate with.
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Every. Word. Of. This. Post.


Hahahha, yep.

So many bad graphics of great shapes just sit on the shelf and gather dust, or go on sale.

The funniest situation was when someone came in asking for a certain wheel, was not at all a fan of the dude whose name was on them and refused to get them.  I made an excuse to do something and took them out the back, took almost all the graphic off, just leaving a very small logo in the corner, brought them back out and he couldn't get enough of them and wanted me to track down any more sets of them too...

Just wow.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Lurkey on May 24, 2023, 10:07:04 AM
You just sand the graphic off or what?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheLowerBack on May 24, 2023, 10:19:49 AM
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This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear
[close]


You are not the only one.

I have taken more than a few graphics off, not just for myself, but also when people wanted a wheel shape, but didn't like the graphic that came on the wheel, so besides turning the graphic in, I had often taken a razor blade and scratched off the graphic, just to keep them happy.

They do look good with the thin round circle close in to the bearings on Formula Four Classics and others that have that sort of graphic, but some of the bigger single graphics I can definitely see they will need to come off for some people I skate with.
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Every. Word. Of. This. Post.
Fine grit sand paper works too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 24, 2023, 11:31:17 AM
Ain’t that the truth. I think it’s a big reason why I like these Lil’ Smokies so much. Simple. Natural. Neutral.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 24, 2023, 06:36:52 PM
You just sand the graphic off or what?

In the past I have used an angle grinder, grip tape and even just natural concrete while on the board and dragged them across in a certain way that it took the graphic right off.

The easiest way though is a nice new / sharp razor blade and just scrape, not cut, and it gets all the paint off easily without anything happening to the wheel underneath.


Others use rubbing alcohol or similar product, acetone or whatever it is, like nail polish remover, which also works well.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on May 24, 2023, 07:21:17 PM
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This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear
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You are not the only one.

I have taken more than a few graphics off, not just for myself, but also when people wanted a wheel shape, but didn't like the graphic that came on the wheel, so besides turning the graphic in, I had often taken a razor blade and scratched off the graphic, just to keep them happy.

They do look good with the thin round circle close in to the bearings on Formula Four Classics and others that have that sort of graphic, but some of the bigger single graphics I can definitely see they will need to come off for some people I skate with.
[close]

Every. Word. Of. This. Post.
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Hahahha, yep.

So many bad graphics of great shapes just sit on the shelf and gather dust, or go on sale.

The funniest situation was when someone came in asking for a certain wheel, was not at all a fan of the dude whose name was on them and refused to get them.  I made an excuse to do something and took them out the back, took almost all the graphic off, just leaving a very small logo in the corner, brought them back out and he couldn't get enough of them and wanted me to track down any more sets of them too...

Just wow.
whos name was it?
i just gotta know at this point :o
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on May 24, 2023, 09:22:45 PM
Got this email the other day. Fun little Spitfire x Palace run of F4 Conical Fulls with a nice take on the Classic graphic.

Thumbnails appear to be:

Blue / 51mm
Red / 52mm
Yellow / 53mm
Green / 54mm

(https://i.ibb.co/JKHp20F/733-EDA3-F-B5-C8-4558-AA1-B-45-DA1-A057637.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JKHp20F)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on May 24, 2023, 09:27:12 PM
Got this email the other day. Nice little Spitfire x Palace run of F4 Conical Fulls with a nice take on the Classic graphic.

Thumbnails appear to be:

Blue / 51mm
Red / 52mm
Yellow / 53mm
Green / 54mm

(https://i.ibb.co/JKHp20F/733-EDA3-F-B5-C8-4558-AA1-B-45-DA1-A057637.jpg) (https://ibb.co/JKHp20F)

conical full in a 51 is nice. i like that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 25, 2023, 03:55:12 AM
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This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear
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You are not the only one.

I have taken more than a few graphics off, not just for myself, but also when people wanted a wheel shape, but didn't like the graphic that came on the wheel, so besides turning the graphic in, I had often taken a razor blade and scratched off the graphic, just to keep them happy.

They do look good with the thin round circle close in to the bearings on Formula Four Classics and others that have that sort of graphic, but some of the bigger single graphics I can definitely see they will need to come off for some people I skate with.
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Every. Word. Of. This. Post.
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Hahahha, yep.

So many bad graphics of great shapes just sit on the shelf and gather dust, or go on sale.

The funniest situation was when someone came in asking for a certain wheel, was not at all a fan of the dude whose name was on them and refused to get them.  I made an excuse to do something and took them out the back, took almost all the graphic off, just leaving a very small logo in the corner, brought them back out and he couldn't get enough of them and wanted me to track down any more sets of them too...

Just wow.
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whos name was it?
i just gotta know at this point :o


It was from a while ago now.

Bones wheels, his name started with a D yet I can't remember the rest...

;)


Just in case that was a bit too obscure, think it was something like this:

https://bones.com/bones-wheels-pro-dyet-turtle-53mm-stf-4-pack

Don't blame them really.  Wheels looked nicer with just the Bones logo on them.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on May 25, 2023, 07:03:11 AM
was talking to a friend the other day who somehow wasn't aware of F4's (i guess he has just been a bones guy forever or something idk.)

I told him that you couldn't pay me to ride something other than F4's, they're just that good.

Could someone pay YOU to ride something other than f4's?

obviously millions of dollars or something like that would sway most anyone. But within reason, whatever check wheel companies are cutting dudes. Would it change your mind?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on May 25, 2023, 07:26:22 AM
was talking to a friend the other day who somehow wasn't aware of F4's (i guess he has just been a bones guy forever or something idk.)

I told him that you couldn't pay me to ride something other than F4's, they're just that good.

Could someone pay YOU to ride something other than f4's?

obviously millions of dollars or something like that would sway most anyone. But within reason, whatever check wheel companies are cutting dudes. Would it change your mind?

I am riding Bones still on my main setup, i actually took the F4s off of here and put them on my other setup (they were too big @ 54mm conical full). I really like how the bones STF slide on curb combos. It is too slippery to skate some spots though.

Bones also offer the X formula, so I think I would be pretty set between those 2 wheels... 

But I think F4 99a works much better as a single wheel across all spots. It works just fine on the curb combos, still has nice slide, but also can hit bank spots that require sharp cuts / turns without sliding out. feel way more confident on them.

I think I am going to replace these STFs with F4 99a Classic Shape though just at a smaller size than what i had on there. hoping I can still get a 51mm. Radials do sound sick but they start at 53mm it looks like.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Democratic Republic Of Mongo on May 25, 2023, 10:01:26 AM
There are 52mm radials out there.

https://orchardshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-f4-formula-four-radial-99-52mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on May 25, 2023, 10:47:33 AM
There are 52mm radials out there.

https://orchardshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-f4-formula-four-radial-99-52mm

\that would be sick
harder to find in maple syrup land, i dont need to pay that shipping
53 could probably work i just dont want to spend like a year working them in
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: IpathCats on May 25, 2023, 10:50:54 AM
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There are 52mm radials out there.

https://orchardshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-f4-formula-four-radial-99-52mm
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\that would be sick
harder to find in maple syrup land, i dont need to pay that shipping
53 could probably work i just dont want to spend like a year working them in

I'm sure if you talked to your local shop owner they would/could order you some from their distributor.

Maybe just see if they'll do it the next time they make a big order to save them on shipping.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on May 25, 2023, 11:00:07 AM
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There are 52mm radials out there.

https://orchardshop.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-f4-formula-four-radial-99-52mm
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\that would be sick
harder to find in maple syrup land, i dont need to pay that shipping
53 could probably work i just dont want to spend like a year working them in
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I'm sure if you talked to your local shop owner they would/could order you some from their distributor.

Maybe just see if they'll do it the next time they make a big order to save them on shipping.

unfortunately I live in a small town in between London and Toronto and there isnt really any shop besides Zumiez

they do have these though:
https://www.zumiez.com/spitfire-blackout-formula-four-52mm-101d-radial-skateboard-wheels.html

101d ... now i am going into gear madness thread. i was set on 99a but... those could be sick...
not sure if i want black wheels though
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on May 25, 2023, 05:27:14 PM
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This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear
[close]

You are not the only one.

I have taken more than a few graphics off, not just for myself, but also when people wanted a wheel shape, but didn't like the graphic that came on the wheel, so besides turning the graphic in, I had often taken a razor blade and scratched off the graphic, just to keep them happy.

They do look good with the thin round circle close in to the bearings on Formula Four Classics and others that have that sort of graphic, but some of the bigger single graphics I can definitely see they will need to come off for some people I skate with.
[close]

Every. Word. Of. This. Post.
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Hahahha, yep.

So many bad graphics of great shapes just sit on the shelf and gather dust, or go on sale.

The funniest situation was when someone came in asking for a certain wheel, was not at all a fan of the dude whose name was on them and refused to get them.  I made an excuse to do something and took them out the back, took almost all the graphic off, just leaving a very small logo in the corner, brought them back out and he couldn't get enough of them and wanted me to track down any more sets of them too...

Just wow.


This is my current internal struggle, they needed to be rotated so bad, but i hate how they look. At least theyre only 2 colors..
(https://i.imgur.com/5ZH1ExG.jpg?1)


On the flip side, I really love how classics put the details inside the tinnnny little ridge that doesnt get worn. Its like their dog tags, even when theyre dead you can what they were.
(https://i.imgur.com/1xXQeSf.png?2)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 25, 2023, 11:59:42 PM
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This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear
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You are not the only one.

I have taken more than a few graphics off, not just for myself, but also when people wanted a wheel shape, but didn't like the graphic that came on the wheel, so besides turning the graphic in, I had often taken a razor blade and scratched off the graphic, just to keep them happy.

They do look good with the thin round circle close in to the bearings on Formula Four Classics and others that have that sort of graphic, but some of the bigger single graphics I can definitely see they will need to come off for some people I skate with.
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Hahahha, yep.

So many bad graphics of great shapes just sit on the shelf and gather dust, or go on sale.

The funniest situation was when someone came in asking for a certain wheel, was not at all a fan of the dude whose name was on them and refused to get them.  I made an excuse to do something and took them out the back, took almost all the graphic off, just leaving a very small logo in the corner, brought them back out and he couldn't get enough of them and wanted me to track down any more sets of them too...

Just wow.
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This is my current internal struggle, they needed to be rotated so bad, but i hate how they look. At least theyre only 2 colors..


On the flip side, I really love how classics put the details inside the tinnnny little ridge that doesnt get worn. Its like their dog tags, even when theyre dead you can what they were.



Classic Formula Four just work so well like that.

Sometimes I wish all the wheels would have just that black text outline, minimal but easy to see what they are from day 1 through til the very end.

Most of the others I have also leave that rim line with the original text more so than any pro versions, be it Classic or Classic Full, Radials, Conical or Conical Full, etc.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on May 26, 2023, 09:27:27 AM
Anyone know of any US shops with the Kader Radial Fulls in 59mm or is it too late to snag a set?

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Found some as of now:
https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Kader-Puffs-Radial-Full-99a-x70104029.htm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on May 26, 2023, 10:21:03 AM
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This might be my OCD coming thru, but i love how they used a circular graphic on these.
For shapes where the graphic doesnt fully wear off like radials, CF, OGs, non-circular graphics kind of bum me out once the wheels are worn in, makes me less likely to flip the wheel around for even wear
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You are not the only one.

I have taken more than a few graphics off, not just for myself, but also when people wanted a wheel shape, but didn't like the graphic that came on the wheel, so besides turning the graphic in, I had often taken a razor blade and scratched off the graphic, just to keep them happy.

They do look good with the thin round circle close in to the bearings on Formula Four Classics and others that have that sort of graphic, but some of the bigger single graphics I can definitely see they will need to come off for some people I skate with.
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Every. Word. Of. This. Post.
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Hahahha, yep.

So many bad graphics of great shapes just sit on the shelf and gather dust, or go on sale.

The funniest situation was when someone came in asking for a certain wheel, was not at all a fan of the dude whose name was on them and refused to get them.  I made an excuse to do something and took them out the back, took almost all the graphic off, just leaving a very small logo in the corner, brought them back out and he couldn't get enough of them and wanted me to track down any more sets of them too...

Just wow.
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This is my current internal struggle, they needed to be rotated so bad, but i hate how they look. At least theyre only 2 colors..
(https://i.imgur.com/5ZH1ExG.jpg?1)


I feel you man, I should do the same with my GT OG classics but there is no way I'm doing it
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 27, 2023, 11:26:37 AM
I finally bit the bullet and ordered some f4 lock ins. Never skated spit but a local-ish shop had them for $35. Fuck it, let’s see
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on May 27, 2023, 11:39:49 AM
I finally bit the bullet and ordered some f4 lock ins. Never skated spit but a local-ish shop had them for $35. Fuck it, let’s see
What have you ridden in the past?

and did what duro lock ins did you get?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 27, 2023, 12:51:14 PM
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I finally bit the bullet and ordered some f4 lock ins. Never skated spit but a local-ish shop had them for $35. Fuck it, let’s see
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What have you ridden in the past?

and did what duro lock ins did you get?

A whole lot of everything else. Slime Balls, Bones, OJ, Mini Logo mainly. To save you the trouble of asking why, I’m just an old stubborn kook. And I got 99a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on May 27, 2023, 01:01:19 PM
Anyone know of any US shops with the Kader Radial Fulls in 59mm or is it too late to snag a set?

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Found some as of now:
https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Kader-Puffs-Radial-Full-99a-x70104029.htm
we sold out. thanks for the love.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 27, 2023, 04:23:03 PM
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Anyone know of any US shops with the Kader Radial Fulls in 59mm or is it too late to snag a set?

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Found some as of now:
https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Kader-Puffs-Radial-Full-99a-x70104029.htm
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we sold out. thanks for the love.


I could definitely see the 59 mm selling quickly, from showing 3 in stock earlier.

At least there are still half a dozen listed for the 54 mm and 56 mm sizes too, for anyone wanting a not so big but still quite wide wheel.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 30, 2023, 08:28:39 AM
Really digging 101 F4s at the moment. Especially with wheels under 54mm. The key is  a wider profile. Conical Full 101 has been money for me at the local curb spot. Asphalt but pretty smooth. I know the trend is toward slightly softer wheels but I think the 101s are a little under rated. Also if you dabble with Lil Smokies, I'd get the 101s. That's all.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on May 30, 2023, 11:26:14 AM
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I've said this before and I'll say it again: the normal Radial Slim is great combination of basically every F4 wheel. Not too conical, not too round, not too wide, not too slim. Flips, locks in, does basically everything. Am I tripping? If so, it's a good trip.
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Honestly I feel regular Conicals are fucking great, and Id dare to say they are the best F4 option?! They have a wide(r) contact patch but are still only a bit wider than a Classic (or atleast feels this way) and you get all the benefits of a square shaped wheel while still looking like a normal wheel (meaning not a huge wide one like CFs)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on May 30, 2023, 01:17:06 PM
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Anyone know of any US shops with the Kader Radial Fulls in 59mm or is it too late to snag a set?

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Found some as of now:
https://www.35thave.com/shop/Skate/Wheels/Spitfire/p/Spitfire-Formula-Four-Kader-Puffs-Radial-Full-99a-x70104029.htm
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we sold out. thanks for the love.
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I could definitely see the 59 mm selling quickly, from showing 3 in stock earlier.

At least there are still half a dozen listed for the 54 mm and 56 mm sizes too, for anyone wanting a not so big but still quite wide wheel.
We are re stocking the 59's later this week.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on May 30, 2023, 06:25:09 PM
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I've said this before and I'll say it again: the normal Radial Slim is great combination of basically every F4 wheel. Not too conical, not too round, not too wide, not too slim. Flips, locks in, does basically everything. Am I tripping? If so, it's a good trip.
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Fixed. :)
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Honestly I feel regular Conicals are fucking great, and Id dare to say they are the best F4 option?! They have a wide(r) contact patch but are still only a bit wider than a Classic (or atleast feels this way) and you get all the benefits of a square shaped wheel while still looking like a normal wheel (meaning not a huge wide one like CFs)

Radial regular or Conical Regular seems to be a thing of the past in Canada. Finding Classic is hard enough...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on May 30, 2023, 09:41:11 PM
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I've said this before and I'll say it again: the normal Radial Slim is great combination of basically every F4 wheel. Not too conical, not too round, not too wide, not too slim. Flips, locks in, does basically everything. Am I tripping? If so, it's a good trip.
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Fixed. :)
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Honestly I feel regular Conicals are fucking great, and Id dare to say they are the best F4 option?! They have a wide(r) contact patch but are still only a bit wider than a Classic (or atleast feels this way) and you get all the benefits of a square shaped wheel while still looking like a normal wheel (meaning not a huge wide one like CFs)

Do you like them better than OGs? Aside from availability
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on May 31, 2023, 12:23:36 AM
How do you guys feel about OGs/Conicals that have originally been 55-56mm but have been worn down to c. 53mm? Do they feel "too wide" for you or do you just not give a f---? My old 55 OGs are now around 52-53 and they seem kinda clunky. Maybe I'm just projecting and should just skate them and shut up, but still. Y'know. Gear madness / OCD.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on May 31, 2023, 10:48:12 AM
How do you guys feel about OGs/Conicals that have originally been 55-56mm but have been worn down to c. 53mm? Do they feel "too wide" for you or do you just not give a f---? My old 55 OGs are now around 52-53 and they seem kinda clunky. Maybe I'm just projecting and should just skate them and shut up, but still. Y'know. Gear madness / OCD.


The edge definitely gets a bit sharp and they square off quite badly when worn down a lot.

I use an angle grinder and gently round the corners off the wheels, which does wonders for their longevity - almost makes them feel like new wheels again for me anyway, but it is not something to just jump at and I recommend going very slow and steady to work out the best way to do it, even using some old wheels first, just to get a feel for it, but it is relatively easy once you get the hang of it and even a small battery powered angle grinder works well / may even be better than a big high powered industrial grinder type of thing.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on May 31, 2023, 11:54:56 AM
Nothing much to add, and I know it's been said before, but spitfire really nailed it with F4's.

I'm an "older" guy and have recently gotten back into it with my kids after a long break. So far I've tried Dragons and X97's on my own setup, and Bones 99's, 103a STF's and 104 SPF's on buddies setups.

Decided to buy into the hype and picked up 56mm Conical Full's in 99a and bam, done, love them. I dunno what it is but they just feel and sound like what a skateboard is supposed to for me. Dragons and X97's feel a bit rubbery, STF's and SPF's feel like plastic, F4's just feel perfect.

That's it, love F4's, carry on.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 31, 2023, 02:05:09 PM
Nothing much to add, and I know it's been said before, but spitfire really nailed it with F4's.

I'm an "older" guy and have recently gotten back into it with my kids after a long break. So far I've tried Dragons and X97's on my own setup, and Bones 99's, 103a STF's and 104 SPF's on buddies setups.

Decided to buy into the hype and picked up 56mm Conical Full's in 99a and bam, done, love them. I dunno what it is but they just feel and sound like what a skateboard is supposed to for me. Dragons and X97's feel a bit rubbery, STF's and SPF's feel like plastic, F4's just feel perfect.

That's it, love F4's, carry on.

Dude, I just got back from taking my new 57mm lock-ins for a test drive and was gonna hop on here and post ‘these are perfect, these sound and feel exactly how a skateboard should feel’. Also older dude coming from a hiatus and spurned on by my kids interest in my old pastime. Fuckin weird koinkidink
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on May 31, 2023, 02:40:39 PM
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Nothing much to add, and I know it's been said before, but spitfire really nailed it with F4's.

I'm an "older" guy and have recently gotten back into it with my kids after a long break. So far I've tried Dragons and X97's on my own setup, and Bones 99's, 103a STF's and 104 SPF's on buddies setups.

Decided to buy into the hype and picked up 56mm Conical Full's in 99a and bam, done, love them. I dunno what it is but they just feel and sound like what a skateboard is supposed to for me. Dragons and X97's feel a bit rubbery, STF's and SPF's feel like plastic, F4's just feel perfect.

That's it, love F4's, carry on.
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Dude, I just got back from taking my new 57mm lock-ins for a test drive and was gonna hop on here and post ‘these are perfect, these sound and feel exactly how a skateboard should feel’. Also older dude coming from a hiatus and spurned on by my kids interest in my old pastime. Fuckin weird koinkidink

Ha! Right on. Yep, first warmup lap around the skatepark and it's like, yeah, love these...

The sound and feel thing cannot be overstated, first push always just feels awesome.

Went with Dragons and X97's first after drinking the YouTube old guy Kool aid, but honestly I'm happier with one setup with F4's for park and normal skating, and another setup with 78a OJ's for cruising.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on May 31, 2023, 02:48:02 PM
I don't think I could ever stray from F4s at this point. Some wheels might be faster on certain terrains or slide better in certain situations and even more durable but no other wheel has the entire package along with that unmistakeable 'feel' on nearly all terrain.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 31, 2023, 02:52:15 PM
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Nothing much to add, and I know it's been said before, but spitfire really nailed it with F4's.

I'm an "older" guy and have recently gotten back into it with my kids after a long break. So far I've tried Dragons and X97's on my own setup, and Bones 99's, 103a STF's and 104 SPF's on buddies setups.

Decided to buy into the hype and picked up 56mm Conical Full's in 99a and bam, done, love them. I dunno what it is but they just feel and sound like what a skateboard is supposed to for me. Dragons and X97's feel a bit rubbery, STF's and SPF's feel like plastic, F4's just feel perfect.

That's it, love F4's, carry on.
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Dude, I just got back from taking my new 57mm lock-ins for a test drive and was gonna hop on here and post ‘these are perfect, these sound and feel exactly how a skateboard should feel’. Also older dude coming from a hiatus and spurned on by my kids interest in my old pastime. Fuckin weird koinkidink
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Ha! Right on. Yep, first warmup lap around the skatepark and it's like, yeah, love these...

The sound and feel thing cannot be overstated, first push always just feels awesome.

Went with Dragons and X97's first after drinking the YouTube old guy Kool aid, but honestly I'm happier with one setup with F4's for park and normal skating, and another setup with 78a OJ's for cruising.


I was going to try Dragons and X97s (same thing, YouTube) but went with my gut. I’ve tried a few different things under the Powell umbrella and well, hated them. The sole exception being OJs because of course we have to have more in common.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on May 31, 2023, 03:39:43 PM
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Nothing much to add, and I know it's been said before, but spitfire really nailed it with F4's.

I'm an "older" guy and have recently gotten back into it with my kids after a long break. So far I've tried Dragons and X97's on my own setup, and Bones 99's, 103a STF's and 104 SPF's on buddies setups.

Decided to buy into the hype and picked up 56mm Conical Full's in 99a and bam, done, love them. I dunno what it is but they just feel and sound like what a skateboard is supposed to for me. Dragons and X97's feel a bit rubbery, STF's and SPF's feel like plastic, F4's just feel perfect.

That's it, love F4's, carry on.
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Dude, I just got back from taking my new 57mm lock-ins for a test drive and was gonna hop on here and post ‘these are perfect, these sound and feel exactly how a skateboard should feel’. Also older dude coming from a hiatus and spurned on by my kids interest in my old pastime. Fuckin weird koinkidink
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Ha! Right on. Yep, first warmup lap around the skatepark and it's like, yeah, love these...

The sound and feel thing cannot be overstated, first push always just feels awesome.

Went with Dragons and X97's first after drinking the YouTube old guy Kool aid, but honestly I'm happier with one setup with F4's for park and normal skating, and another setup with 78a OJ's for cruising.
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I was going to try Dragons and X97s (same thing, YouTube) but went with my gut. I’ve tried a few different things under the Powell umbrella and well, hated them. The sole exception being OJs because of course we have to have more in common.

I also love Elder... 

OJ super juice are such a riot for bombing around the neighborhood, just plow through whatever.

Powell... I really like how they innovate and actually make their own shit, but holy moly, their whole "brand" I just can't get into. All their graphics look like they were done in Microsoft paint.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on May 31, 2023, 03:55:49 PM

I also love Elder... 


Lmao get the fuck outta here. Lore is probably my favorite record of that whole decade. Modeled my whole stoner guitar tone on it. Not to mention my handle.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on May 31, 2023, 04:13:07 PM
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Lmao get the fuck outta here. Lore is probably my favorite record of that whole decade. Modeled my whole stoner guitar tone on it. Not to mention my handle.

Only discovered them in the past five years or so, but yeah, Lore is a banger. My no 1 get fired up on the way to the trail when I go DH mtn biking album.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on June 01, 2023, 06:35:35 AM
I don't think I could ever stray from F4s at this point. Some wheels might be faster on certain terrains or slide better in certain situations and even more durable but no other wheel has the entire package along with that unmistakeable 'feel' on nearly all terrain.

This.

The only wheel that has come close from other brands is the OJ Elite Hardline 99, which I've liked in indoor parks that have a lot of plywood transition. They have a bit more grip than the F4 on plywood but are fast. However, the sound is not there. :D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on June 01, 2023, 07:39:37 AM
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I don't think I could ever stray from F4s at this point. Some wheels might be faster on certain terrains or slide better in certain situations and even more durable but no other wheel has the entire package along with that unmistakeable 'feel' on nearly all terrain.
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This.

The only wheel that has come close from other brands is the OJ Hardline 99, which I've liked in indoor parks that have a lot of plywood transition. They have a bit more grip than the F4 on plywood but are fast. However, the sound is not there. :D

Good to know, my indoor is dusty AF usually. Just about busted my nose slipping out on the skatelite mini during the winter. I was running X97's and the dust kept building up on them. My buddy had Dragons and dust didn't seem to stick to them?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on June 01, 2023, 07:54:34 AM
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I don't think I could ever stray from F4s at this point. Some wheels might be faster on certain terrains or slide better in certain situations and even more durable but no other wheel has the entire package along with that unmistakeable 'feel' on nearly all terrain.
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This.

The only wheel that has come close from other brands is the OJ Hardline 99, which I've liked in indoor parks that have a lot of plywood transition. They have a bit more grip than the F4 on plywood but are fast. However, the sound is not there. :D
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Good to know, my indoor is dusty AF usually. Just about busted my nose slipping out on the skatelite mini during the winter. I was running X97's and the dust kept building up on them. My buddy had Dragons and dust didn't seem to stick to them?

Softer wheels are def grippier in dusty indoors, but they tend to be slow. Haven't tried the Dragons, though. Buddy of mine had OJ Keyframes (87a or so) there in the winter and I tried them once – worst wheels ever for park, felt like flat tires on train tracks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Krooked antihero on June 02, 2023, 02:34:51 AM
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I don't think I could ever stray from F4s at this point. Some wheels might be faster on certain terrains or slide better in certain situations and even more durable but no other wheel has the entire package along with that unmistakeable 'feel' on nearly all terrain.
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This.

The only wheel that has come close from other brands is the OJ Hardline 99, which I've liked in indoor parks that have a lot of plywood transition. They have a bit more grip than the F4 on plywood but are fast. However, the sound is not there. :D
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Good to know, my indoor is dusty AF usually. Just about busted my nose slipping out on the skatelite mini during the winter. I was running X97's and the dust kept building up on them. My buddy had Dragons and dust didn't seem to stick to them?
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Softer wheels are def grippier in dusty indoors, but they tend to be slow. Haven't tried the Dragons, though. Buddy of mine had OJ Keyframes (87a or so) there in the winter and I tried them once – worst wheels ever for park, felt like flat tires on train tracks.
I don’t know what terrain keyframes should be good,  too hard for bad finnish asphalt and too slow for smooth parks/indoors…
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Democratic Republic Of Mongo on June 02, 2023, 03:42:04 AM
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I also love Elder... 

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Lmao get the fuck outta here. Lore is probably my favorite record of that whole decade. Modeled my whole stoner guitar tone on it. Not to mention my handle.
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Only discovered them in the past five years or so, but yeah, Lore is a banger. My no 1 get fired up on the way to the trail when I go DH mtn biking album.

I am seeing Elder tonight, I think it’s silly that some people DON’T put F4’s on their board, and I’ve been downhill mountain biking like once.

But I think Reflections Of A Floating World is Elder’s undisputed masterpiece.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 02, 2023, 07:54:24 AM
I don't think I could ever stray from F4s at this point. Some wheels might be faster on certain terrains or slide better in certain situations and even more durable but no other wheel has the entire package along with that unmistakeable 'feel' on nearly all terrain.

Ever word of this.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on June 02, 2023, 09:22:39 AM
I used to feel the same about F4's but they're way too slippery. Even the 97a's sometimes surprise me with a close call of almost slipping out. Forget about even trying them indoors. Until they make offerings in 92a-95a I'll keep skating Dogtown's. If harder wheels are your thing, then yeah I agree they are the premium choice if you have the money. Crazy reading how expensive they are in some countries outside the USA.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on June 02, 2023, 10:19:54 AM
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I've said this before and I'll say it again: the normal Radial Slim is great combination of basically every F4 wheel. Not too conical, not too round, not too wide, not too slim. Flips, locks in, does basically everything. Am I tripping? If so, it's a good trip.
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Fixed. :)
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Honestly I feel regular Conicals are fucking great, and Id dare to say they are the best F4 option?! They have a wide(r) contact patch but are still only a bit wider than a Classic (or atleast feels this way) and you get all the benefits of a square shaped wheel while still looking like a normal wheel (meaning not a huge wide one like CFs)
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Do you like them better than OGs? Aside from availability
I'd say they are just as good. It just depends if you are feeling a skinnier wheel or a wider one. My top shapes are for sure Conicals and OG classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 02, 2023, 03:42:56 PM
I used to feel the same about F4's but they're way too slippery. Even the 97a's sometimes surprise me with a close call of almost slipping out. Forget about even trying them indoors. Until they make offerings in 92a-95a I'll keep skating Dogtown's. If harder wheels are your thing, then yeah I agree they are the premium choice if you have the money. Crazy reading how expensive they are in some countries outside the USA.


Almost everything for me is ok on F4 99s, but yeah some of the slippery surface ramps / indoor parks or even new parks are way better on softer / more grippy wheels.  I have the 97s on for a little more grip on a couple of boards for one new park near me I go to, but there are definitely places I would still find them not quite so safe and I ride 90 to 92 duro wheels on the skatelite ramps at the indoor park and don't feel like I am going to be rolling the dice every run.

Others I know who have cat like reflexes and way better balance ride 99s or 101s on everything, so sure some people can still deal with it and not change them out, but for most people, either older or just not quite so light on their feet, the slip out factor is very real and altogether too many slams happen on the skatelite surfaces or slippery new parks round here that I have seen and heard.


Re cost of goods - Funny thing about places like here in Australia, everything has gone up considerably, so although Spitfires are going up (AU $80 - $90), those new OJ wheels still top out as the most expensive wheels I have ever seen by a mile (AU $120), so Spitfires are still pretty much medium / regular price, definitely not the highest but that is what we are used to as well, for pro quality products.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TheCrimsonShroud on June 02, 2023, 05:06:24 PM
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Lmao get the fuck outta here. Lore is probably my favorite record of that whole decade. Modeled my whole stoner guitar tone on it. Not to mention my handle.
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Only discovered them in the past five years or so, but yeah, Lore is a banger. My no 1 get fired up on the way to the trail when I go DH mtn biking album.
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I am seeing Elder tonight, I think it’s silly that some people DON’T put F4’s on their board, and I’ve been downhill mountain biking like once.

But I think Reflections Of A Floating World is Elder’s undisputed masterpiece.

You bastard, have fun. I want to see them so badly. I love Reflections too. Every bit as good as Lore, though Lore was my first so it has a special place to me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on June 02, 2023, 06:28:33 PM
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I used to feel the same about F4's but they're way too slippery. Even the 97a's sometimes surprise me with a close call of almost slipping out. Forget about even trying them indoors. Until they make offerings in 92a-95a I'll keep skating Dogtown's. If harder wheels are your thing, then yeah I agree they are the premium choice if you have the money. Crazy reading how expensive they are in some countries outside the USA.
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Almost everything for me is ok on F4 99s, but yeah some of the slippery surface ramps / indoor parks or even new parks are way better on softer / more grippy wheels.  I have the 97s on for a little more grip on a couple of boards for one new park near me I go to, but there are definitely places I would still find them not quite so safe and I ride 90 to 92 duro wheels on the skatelite ramps at the indoor park and don't feel like I am going to be rolling the dice every run.

Others I know who have cat like reflexes and way better balance ride 99s or 101s on everything, so sure some people can still deal with it and not change them out, but for most people, either older or just not quite so light on their feet, the slip out factor is very real and altogether too many slams happen on the skatelite surfaces or slippery new parks round here that I have seen and heard.


Re cost of goods - Funny thing about places like here in Australia, everything has gone up considerably, so although Spitfires are going up (AU $80 - $90), those new OJ wheels still top out as the most expensive wheels I have ever seen by a mile (AU $120), so Spitfires are still pretty much medium / regular price, definitely not the highest but that is what we are used to as well, for pro quality products.

Man, you poor Aussies sure pay through the nose. I'm in Canada and wheels haven't really gone up since last year. Still around $58-$65 Canuck bucks for premium wheels like Bones and Spits. Except those goofy new OJ's, Yeesh.
My crystal ball prediction is that the dual duros are not exactly going to fly off the shelves at that price.

Regarding softer duros, definitely going to throw the Dragons back on for the dusty indoor this winter.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 03, 2023, 12:34:39 AM
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I used to feel the same about F4's but they're way too slippery. Even the 97a's sometimes surprise me with a close call of almost slipping out. Forget about even trying them indoors. Until they make offerings in 92a-95a I'll keep skating Dogtown's. If harder wheels are your thing, then yeah I agree they are the premium choice if you have the money. Crazy reading how expensive they are in some countries outside the USA.
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Almost everything for me is ok on F4 99s, but yeah some of the slippery surface ramps / indoor parks or even new parks are way better on softer / more grippy wheels.  I have the 97s on for a little more grip on a couple of boards for one new park near me I go to, but there are definitely places I would still find them not quite so safe and I ride 90 to 92 duro wheels on the skatelite ramps at the indoor park and don't feel like I am going to be rolling the dice every run.

Others I know who have cat like reflexes and way better balance ride 99s or 101s on everything, so sure some people can still deal with it and not change them out, but for most people, either older or just not quite so light on their feet, the slip out factor is very real and altogether too many slams happen on the skatelite surfaces or slippery new parks round here that I have seen and heard.


Re cost of goods - Funny thing about places like here in Australia, everything has gone up considerably, so although Spitfires are going up (AU $80 - $90), those new OJ wheels still top out as the most expensive wheels I have ever seen by a mile (AU $120), so Spitfires are still pretty much medium / regular price, definitely not the highest but that is what we are used to as well, for pro quality products.

Spit used to make those "Soft D's" which, IMHO, were great from some those extra slippery places. Wish they still made them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 03, 2023, 01:49:20 PM
i need those kader 59s so bad.

are they only in those shops on the ig or are they going out everywhere? i dont care about the cool tray really. i want it but the wheels are a necessity in my life
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on June 03, 2023, 06:02:40 PM
i need those kader 59s so bad.

are they only in those shops on the ig or are they going out everywhere? i dont care about the cool tray really. i want it but the wheels are a necessity in my life
I'm not sure, but 35th Ave has two sets of the 59s in stock, at the moment.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 03, 2023, 06:06:40 PM
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I used to feel the same about F4's but they're way too slippery. Even the 97a's sometimes surprise me with a close call of almost slipping out. Forget about even trying them indoors. Until they make offerings in 92a-95a I'll keep skating Dogtown's. If harder wheels are your thing, then yeah I agree they are the premium choice if you have the money. Crazy reading how expensive they are in some countries outside the USA.
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Almost everything for me is ok on F4 99s, but yeah some of the slippery surface ramps / indoor parks or even new parks are way better on softer / more grippy wheels.  I have the 97s on for a little more grip on a couple of boards for one new park near me I go to, but there are definitely places I would still find them not quite so safe and I ride 90 to 92 duro wheels on the skatelite ramps at the indoor park and don't feel like I am going to be rolling the dice every run.

Others I know who have cat like reflexes and way better balance ride 99s or 101s on everything, so sure some people can still deal with it and not change them out, but for most people, either older or just not quite so light on their feet, the slip out factor is very real and altogether too many slams happen on the skatelite surfaces or slippery new parks round here that I have seen and heard.


Re cost of goods - Funny thing about places like here in Australia, everything has gone up considerably, so although Spitfires are going up (AU $80 - $90), those new OJ wheels still top out as the most expensive wheels I have ever seen by a mile (AU $120), so Spitfires are still pretty much medium / regular price, definitely not the highest but that is what we are used to as well, for pro quality products.
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Spit used to make those "Soft D's" which, IMHO, were great from some those extra slippery places. Wish they still made them.


That is what I use for the slippery surfaces, usually the 92 duro 56 mm size, but I have them in a few sizes in both 92 and 95 as well as some 97s in 56 and 57 mm from "back in the day" type of stock.

They definitely work well for me, but others always say my board feels so slow with them, which is true as they didn't hold speed like the harder wheels did, as well as being more prone to lumps or flatspots.

The 92 duro 59 mm wheels I put on so long ago now are still going strong and I think the bigger sizes last a lot better and keep speed more so than the smaller ones too.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 04, 2023, 08:30:38 AM
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I used to feel the same about F4's but they're way too slippery. Even the 97a's sometimes surprise me with a close call of almost slipping out. Forget about even trying them indoors. Until they make offerings in 92a-95a I'll keep skating Dogtown's. If harder wheels are your thing, then yeah I agree they are the premium choice if you have the money. Crazy reading how expensive they are in some countries outside the USA.
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I remember trying a set of the 95s for some more crusty spots...and was immediately like, "Oh, hell no." So slow. Felt like trying to skate through wet sand.


Almost everything for me is ok on F4 99s, but yeah some of the slippery surface ramps / indoor parks or even new parks are way better on softer / more grippy wheels.  I have the 97s on for a little more grip on a couple of boards for one new park near me I go to, but there are definitely places I would still find them not quite so safe and I ride 90 to 92 duro wheels on the skatelite ramps at the indoor park and don't feel like I am going to be rolling the dice every run.

Others I know who have cat like reflexes and way better balance ride 99s or 101s on everything, so sure some people can still deal with it and not change them out, but for most people, either older or just not quite so light on their feet, the slip out factor is very real and altogether too many slams happen on the skatelite surfaces or slippery new parks round here that I have seen and heard.


Re cost of goods - Funny thing about places like here in Australia, everything has gone up considerably, so although Spitfires are going up (AU $80 - $90), those new OJ wheels still top out as the most expensive wheels I have ever seen by a mile (AU $120), so Spitfires are still pretty much medium / regular price, definitely not the highest but that is what we are used to as well, for pro quality products.
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Spit used to make those "Soft D's" which, IMHO, were great from some those extra slippery places. Wish they still made them.
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That is what I use for the slippery surfaces, usually the 92 duro 56 mm size, but I have them in a few sizes in both 92 and 95 as well as some 97s in 56 and 57 mm from "back in the day" type of stock.

They definitely work well for me, but others always say my board feels so slow with them, which is true as they didn't hold speed like the harder wheels did, as well as being more prone to lumps or flatspots.

The 92 duro 59 mm wheels I put on so long ago now are still going strong and I think the bigger sizes last a lot better and keep speed more so than the smaller ones too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 04, 2023, 04:44:05 PM


I remember trying a set of the 95s for some more crusty spots...and was immediately like, "Oh, hell no." So slow. Felt like trying to skate through wet sand.



I only really ride the softer wheels on slippery new parks / ramps, not rough street spots.

The bigger wheels at least gave me a bit more "go" in that regard, but yeah they were slow, which is most likely why they were discontinued.  The funny thing is the older original formula in 95 and 97 were really good and had a lot more to them without feeling like soft wheels, as per the Soft D wheels of 92 and 95 duros.  They were mostly in big wide round shapes in 56 and 57 mm size.

Even the Formula Four 97s are a little slower but I get used to it and with decent bearings, I am not fussed.  I would rather the wheels were a bit slower and I don't slip out, than as fast and hard and slipping all over the place.  The Classic 56 mm 97s feel no where near as grippy as the Conical Full 54 mm 97s so they are both good for different things.


It would be interesting to see the F4 95 duro wheels if or when they are released, but I am happy with what I have right now anyway.

The 99s are still the go for almost everything - just can't beat the feeling of them on my own ramp, concrete parks, carparks, etc.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Schinken on June 05, 2023, 01:29:39 AM
I think you can't say softer wheels are slower by default. There is much more to it, like rebound and contact patch. The softer your wheel is the wider it should be. Think about those racing bicycles with their skinny wheels and high pressures. Lower pressure means more deformation and therefore more resistance.

In short Spitfire classics in  97a are slower than 97a conical full(same diameter).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on June 05, 2023, 06:48:35 AM
I feel like if I am not riding a F4, I should just get a OJ Super Juice, if the spot is truly that bad
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on June 05, 2023, 06:50:14 PM
Alright, I need ya'll to tell me if this should bother me or if I should pull my head out of my ass.

Was running mini logo and cheap mosiac bearings before which are both pretty noisy and don't roll the best outta the box. Splashed out on some Swiss 6's today and because they're so damn quiet I'm noticing that two out of four of my F4 Conical Full's have the bearings seated poorly. Now I'm extremely mechanically inclined, been working on cars, motorcycles, bikes etc for years. The bearings are absolutely seated all the way in, I made sure the wheels were clean before swapping bearings, and I even double checked they were seated by using a correctly sized socket and bench vise to ensure the outer race was seated. The two wheels still spin almost as well, but they make a bit of a mild flatspot type sound when you spin them fast, and when you spin them pinched between your fingers you can feel a slight wobble.

I guess what worries me is that it'll cook my spendy new bearings faster...

So Slap, what do I do? Say fuck it it's a skateboard, or reach out to DLX?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 05, 2023, 06:57:39 PM
Alright, I need ya'll to tell me if this should bother me or if I should pull my head out of my ass.

Was running mini logo and cheap mosiac bearings before which are both pretty noisy and don't roll the best outta the box. Splashed out on some Swiss 6's today and because they're so damn quiet I'm noticing that two out of four of my F4 Conical Full's have the bearings seated poorly. Now I'm extremely mechanically inclined, been working on cars, motorcycles, bikes etc for years. The bearings are absolutely seated all the way in, I made sure the wheels were clean before swapping bearings, and I even double checked they were seated by using a correctly sized socket and bench vise to ensure the outer race was seated. The two wheels still spin almost as well, but they make a bit of a mild flatspot type sound when you spin them fast, and when you spin them pinched between your fingers you can feel a slight wobble.

I guess what worries me is that it'll cook my spendy new bearings faster...

So Slap, what do I do? Say fuck it it's a skateboard, or reach out to DLX?


Definitely talk to the shop you got them from or DLX directly.

This is a known issue and should not be happening.


Any wheels that have that sort of issue are instant return for refund or exchange when I have seen them, obviously more inclined to exchange, because I would rather skate Formula Four than anything else anyway.

Which wheel graphic and size Conical Full is it?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on June 05, 2023, 07:24:14 PM
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Alright, I need ya'll to tell me if this should bother me or if I should pull my head out of my ass.

Was running mini logo and cheap mosiac bearings before which are both pretty noisy and don't roll the best outta the box. Splashed out on some Swiss 6's today and because they're so damn quiet I'm noticing that two out of four of my F4 Conical Full's have the bearings seated poorly. Now I'm extremely mechanically inclined, been working on cars, motorcycles, bikes etc for years. The bearings are absolutely seated all the way in, I made sure the wheels were clean before swapping bearings, and I even double checked they were seated by using a correctly sized socket and bench vise to ensure the outer race was seated. The two wheels still spin almost as well, but they make a bit of a mild flatspot type sound when you spin them fast, and when you spin them pinched between your fingers you can feel a slight wobble.

I guess what worries me is that it'll cook my spendy new bearings faster...

So Slap, what do I do? Say fuck it it's a skateboard, or reach out to DLX?
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Definitely talk to the shop you got them from or DLX directly.

This is a known issue and should not be happening.


Any wheels that have that sort of issue are instant return for refund or exchange when I have seen them, obviously more inclined to exchange, because I would rather skate Formula Four than anything else anyway.

Which wheel graphic and size Conical Full is it?

I was just looking at them again, and it's pretty mild, though it does cause them to slow down a bit sooner. It probably wouldn't be noticable with broken in bearings, it's just that these Swiss are dead silent out of the box. At this point I'm leaning towards "fuck it it's a skateboard", but I'd probably reach out to DLX rather than go back to the shop where they'd likely think I was an anal retentive kook.

Trouble is, when it comes to mechanical stuff, I am a bit of an anal retentive kook...

They're the blue graphic Conical full from the most recent run. 56mm 99a, more white and less potato compared to older F4's

(https://i.ibb.co/Snfd1Lc/16860181538113349854060869154272.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Snfd1Lc)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 07, 2023, 11:36:14 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/eq10zXe.jpg)

On the left are a set of 58mm F4 OG Classics that I bought 2 years ago. On the right are a brand new set of 56mm F4 Conicals (the 35th North Orca collab wheels)

As others have said, the new ones are more white than the old ones. I rode the conicals for the first time this morning. I just retired another set of 58mm OG Classics that I had ridden down to 55mm yesterday.

The new ones feel just slightly harder than the old ones while also being just slightly more grippy. When rubbing the conicals together, there’s more friction than when I rub the new OGs against each other.

The bearings went in the conicals a lot easier than they did with the OGs. They also sat deeper in the wheel, allowing me to tighten down my nuts more than I could with the OGs. My axle nuts were barely hanging on before. While I didn’t ride very long today, my bearings did not back out of the wheels at all. I usually have to push them back in every few runs.

As for the shape, the conicals feel pretty close to the OGs. I usually have wheel madness, but it took no time to adjust to them. I was a die hard 58mm OG Classics rider, but I’m just as happy on the 56mm conicals. Good to know I have another wheel for when my OG stockpile runs out
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 07, 2023, 12:19:22 PM
Older wheels will tend to brown or yellow. That's the natural urethan color coming through.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 07, 2023, 01:51:23 PM
Older wheels will tend to brown or yellow. That's the natural urethan color coming through.

Agreed, but even when they were new the OGs were more brown than the new conicals. I’ve also had the OGs stored in a box in a closet, so color change should be minimal. Take a look at pictures of F4s online and they also look more brown than my conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 07, 2023, 09:21:46 PM
I've had all shades of natural spit. Including white AF.

I think they sometimes just run white wheels.

I fucking wish I copped some of those Kader 59s.

I'm saving up for band stuff tho rm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on June 07, 2023, 10:40:07 PM
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Older wheels will tend to brown or yellow. That's the natural urethan color coming through.
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Agreed, but even when they were new the OGs were more brown than the new conicals. I’ve also had the OGs stored in a box in a closet, so color change should be minimal. Take a look at pictures of F4s online and they also look more brown than my conicals


yeah, NOS F4's compared to current stock is pretty striking. i've a bunch of both, i don't care for the crest white strips F4's.


VIA LA PAPA!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 08, 2023, 09:13:29 PM
Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on June 09, 2023, 12:05:39 AM
Really digging 101 F4s at the moment. Especially with wheels under 54mm. The key is  a wider profile. Conical Full 101 has been money for me at the local curb spot. Asphalt but pretty smooth. I know the trend is toward slightly softer wheels but I think the 101s are a little under rated. Also if you dabble with Lil Smokies, I'd get the 101s. That's all.

this is my experience as well, 52 (fave size) 101 conical fulls. feel good enough, and are fast.

just got some 52 99 lock ins. i’m like the least locked in person out. guess i need all the help
i can get
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Whicker on June 09, 2023, 05:11:45 AM
Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before.

Those charts were due to be updated for a while now. I would be happy if they stick with this lineup! 54-56 full shapes in 97a and I'm good. I still hope they get a dragon/xformula competitor but they honestly probably don't have to.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on June 09, 2023, 07:31:50 AM
I think for me I decided for Classics I like 99a. 101a might be too wild on those
for Conical Fulls though I could do 101a for a curb setup. When they are wide like that you have a bit more control and you could slide for days. There are spots i wouldnt want to take those though but I have done it with STF 103a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 09, 2023, 07:59:59 AM
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Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before.
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Those charts were due to be updated for a while now. I would be happy if they stick with this lineup! 54-56 full shapes in 97a and I'm good. I still hope they get a dragon/xformula competitor but they honestly probably don't have to.

That might not be happening. Looks like Spitfire do have a new wheel coming in Fall but its not a Dragon slayer... Looks more like a full on big cruiser wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hiljentaa on June 09, 2023, 09:16:41 AM
I know some people were looking for the Kader 59s. Saw that Tactics just got some in..

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/kader-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/puffs-99d
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Whicker on June 09, 2023, 09:18:54 AM
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Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before.
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Those charts were due to be updated for a while now. I would be happy if they stick with this lineup! 54-56 full shapes in 97a and I'm good. I still hope they get a dragon/xformula competitor but they honestly probably don't have to.
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That might not be happening. Looks like Spitfire do have a new wheel coming in Fall but its not a Dragon slayer... Looks more like a full on big cruiser wheel.

Ah bummer, they want to replace the 80hd?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 09, 2023, 09:28:44 AM
I think it's an addition to the 80HD. Looks more like a traditional cruiser, Big and Soft. Super wide shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 09, 2023, 09:38:29 AM
Are worn in classics essentially the same shape as a regular radial? Ex: 54mm classic worn down to 52mm vs brand new 52mm radials.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on June 09, 2023, 10:06:49 AM
Are worn in classics essentially the same shape as a regular radial? Ex: 54mm classic worn down to 52mm vs brand new 52mm radials.

52 radial will be slightly thinner overall but basically the same yeah.  It's why radials are my favorite wheel, it's basically a pre worn in classic

For comparison natural is a slightly worn 53 mm radial and orange is more worn 53 mm classic (probably like 50/51 now). Radial is wider because both were 53 mm to start.

(https://i.ibb.co/qMfDg99/PXL-20230609-171004814.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qMfDg99)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 09, 2023, 03:30:48 PM
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Are worn in classics essentially the same shape as a regular radial? Ex: 54mm classic worn down to 52mm vs brand new 52mm radials.
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52 radial will be slightly thinner overall but basically the same yeah.  It's why radials are my favorite wheel, it's basically a pre worn in classic

For comparison natural is a slightly worn 53 mm radial and orange is more worn 53 mm classic (probably like 50/51 now). Radial is wider because both were 53 mm to start.

(https://i.ibb.co/qMfDg99/PXL-20230609-171004814.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qMfDg99)

Exactly what I needed to see thanks!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 09, 2023, 04:52:07 PM
Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before.



I have been busy so hadn't had time to go over it and just had a quick look.


Interesting they don't put Classic Full on the main chart, but as they are not current wheels, just like Radial Slim or others, I can see they are not going to be listed there.

At least that range keeps (almost) everyone happy for now anyway.


The 60mm Classics used to be 39 mm wide, but now show 37, with the 59s at 38 mm wide.  Curious if that is correct, but some people don't want big wide wheels.


* Is it just me or the OG Classics just got even skinnier, more like Radial Slim skinny?


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 09, 2023, 04:59:06 PM
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Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before.
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I have been busy so hadn't had time to go over it and just had a quick look.


Interesting they don't put Classic Full on the main chart, but as they are not current wheels, just like Radial Slim or others, I can see they are not going to be listed there.

At least that range keeps (almost) everyone happy for now anyway.

This giant wheel / tiny wheelbase trends needs to end. They have several tank-sized wheels now. IMHO, profile wise, there is little difference between OG Classics, Tablets, and Conicals, and not enough of difference to justify three versions of the "same" wheel. They really, really, really should add Radial Slims or Classic Fulls (esp considering the "full" trend) to their regular line-up....but I am just yelling at clouds here.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on June 09, 2023, 06:02:24 PM
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Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before.
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I have been busy so hadn't had time to go over it and just had a quick look.


Interesting they don't put Classic Full on the main chart, but as they are not current wheels, just like Radial Slim or others, I can see they are not going to be listed there.

At least that range keeps (almost) everyone happy for now anyway.
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This giant wheel / tiny wheelbase trends needs to end. They have several tank-sized wheels now. IMHO, profile wise, there is little difference between OG Classics, Tablets, and Conicals, and not enough of difference to justify three versions of the "same" wheel. They really, really, really should add Radial Slims or Classic Fulls (esp considering the "full" trend) to their regular line-up....but I am just yelling at clouds here.

kind of with you on this, but i also don't ride big hard wheels (only big soft & hard small) so maybe there IS a difference, but i don't see it when looking at the shapes on the page. the most interesting of the newer big wheels is the giant lock-ins, for some reason they make more sense to me bigger than smaller
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 09, 2023, 07:45:43 PM
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Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before.
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I have been busy so hadn't had time to go over it and just had a quick look.


Interesting they don't put Classic Full on the main chart, but as they are not current wheels, just like Radial Slim or others, I can see they are not going to be listed there.

At least that range keeps (almost) everyone happy for now anyway.
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This giant wheel / tiny wheelbase trends needs to end. They have several tank-sized wheels now. IMHO, profile wise, there is little difference between OG Classics, Tablets, and Conicals, and not enough of difference to justify three versions of the "same" wheel. They really, really, really should add Radial Slims or Classic Fulls (esp considering the "full" trend) to their regular line-up....but I am just yelling at clouds here.

I’m with you dude. I tried a friends board with radial fulls and they were so heavy and wide that they made everything harder. Big wide wheels died in the early 90s for a reason.

As someone who almost exclusively skates big transition and rides big wheels, my opinion is that all these full shapes are too big. I couldn’t imagine trying to skate street with them. OG Classics are as big and wide as you need, after that theres diminishing returns on going wider. It would be nice if they brought back OG Classics instead of pumping out all these full shapes. I’m still keeping my fingers crossed that they bring back the Lance Mountain conical 58s.

Anyways, I’m also just yelling at clouds here
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 09, 2023, 08:43:19 PM
Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before. 


A Lock-In...full...

RIP Radial slims, you will be missed...

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 09, 2023, 09:05:30 PM
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Well. This is interesting, on a few different levels.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

Also, it's only by 1/10th of a mm, but they are now listing different size/tech specs on some of these than before. 

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A Lock-In...full...

RIP Radial slims, you will be missed...

My last set of 52s are down to 50s and now I really regret not buying the 54s when they were on sale everywhere.. even if they were 101a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 10, 2023, 12:37:54 AM
I mean, there is some logic to the full trend. If you're landing big shit at speed, you're going to want something with some real traction (e.g. riding surface) when you land (esp. if it's crusty). If your riding big transition, you are going to want some traction. Totally get/understand all of that. What seems odd is the "lop-sided-ness" of the Full trend, at the expense of middle and small(er) sized options. My ideal Spitfire line-up (97a, 99a, 101a in each):

Classic
Classic Full

Radial (slims)
Radial Fulls [e.g. the current Radial, not the current "Radial Full"(a bewildering wheel which should be sent back to 1989)]

Conical
Conical Full

80HDs
[and maybe something like a Tablet or OG Classic for those who like a really squared-off profile].
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on June 10, 2023, 08:22:52 AM
As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on June 10, 2023, 09:01:54 AM
As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sionarancsle on June 10, 2023, 09:39:17 AM
Bones bearings are falling out of my formula fours. Anyone had this experience? Like the inner rins is not tight anymore and so the bearings just fall out. Did i do something wrong? They are around 1 years old.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on June 10, 2023, 09:54:28 AM
Bones bearings are falling out of my formula fours. Anyone had this experience? Like the inner rins is not tight anymore and so the bearings just fall out. Did i do something wrong? They are around 1 years old.

i think this is the most comprehensive thread for what you have going on, here - https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0

otherwise there's been a few posts in other threads as well but might be harder to track down each convo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on June 10, 2023, 10:06:52 AM
Bones bearings are falling out of my formula fours. Anyone had this experience? Like the inner rins is not tight anymore and so the bearings just fall out. Did i do something wrong? They are around 1 years old.

Something doesn't add up with this one, F4's are tight AF to get bearings in and out of compared to other wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 10, 2023, 11:32:09 AM
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As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
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What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies

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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 10, 2023, 12:14:16 PM
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As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
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What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies
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This

I'll skate any terrain: Pools, ramp, ditches, street, park, whatever; have ridden STF V3s (thinnest you can get) to Radial Fulls and so many in between and quite honestly, I don't find any performance benefits when it comes to width, only downsides.

Can someone provide some science (and not 'cuz they feel good) to help up plebs understand why sacrificing hanger room for grinds and increasing board weight (which does apply to speed given equal friction) for a wider/chunky wheel is better, as it's been argued (and proven) that width of an object is not impacting it's ability to grip or slide.

Skateboards don't go fast enough (on Mega, maybe) for things like drag or rolling (width) resistance to come into play.

These aren't fucking drag racing tires pushed by 1000hp

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 10, 2023, 12:23:18 PM
All things being equal I feel wider wheels smash through rougher terrain better. I've definitely noticed this on some of the more weathered parks in the Northwest. I've also read that while a wider wheel will be harder to initiate a slide, once sliding it will slide better. Also, if you think about contact width, it will also impact how your truck turns. Its not the axle ir even hanger width that's only influencing your turn radius but where the wheel touches the ground. Finally, some people like wider wheels as it protects the hanger threads.

Ultimately, it's all about the subjective feel. I prefer the feel of wider wheels but being a heavier person who likes looser trucks  I don't go super wide as this also enhances wheel bite potential.

I remember in the mid 90s, I had some Golden State Wheel Co wheels. Rock hard 101 58mm, but they were really wide in comparison to most wheels available at the time. They lasted forever and felt amazing on metal mini ramps, wooden vert ramps and crusty Welsh streets. I think, they might have been the best set of wheels I ever owned... they were also translucent blue..  ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on June 10, 2023, 02:21:00 PM
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As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
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What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies
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I'll skate any terrain: Pools, ramp, ditches, street, park, whatever; have ridden STF V3s (thinnest you can get) to Radial Fulls and so many in between and quite honestly, I don't find any performance benefits when it comes to width, only downsides.

Can someone provide some science (and not 'cuz they feel good) to help up plebs understand why sacrificing hanger room for grinds and increasing board weight (which does apply to speed given equal friction) for a wider/chunky wheel is better, as it's been argued (and proven) that width of an object is not impacting it's ability to grip or slide.

Skateboards don't go fast enough (on Mega, maybe) for things like drag or rolling (width) resistance to come into play.

These aren't fucking drag racing tires pushed by 1000hp

In bike tires increasing contact patch can actually reduce rolling resistance.  I doubt anyone has actually studied this on skateboard wheels though. There is also moderately more vibration damping since there is more urethane to dampen. There's also the feeling some people that do a lot of power slides like as I've been told they're harder to brake into a slide and since there is more urethane they wear down slower.

Personally tho I don't find much advantage of a conical full vs a worn down classic full or radial.  I skate an asphalt uphill (for backside) curb spot and in my head feel I can stop pushing earlier but I've been on 52 Classics for a while and have no problems. A lot of the differences probably just exist in peoples heads and they go with that they're used to.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on June 10, 2023, 02:22:36 PM
Big wide softer wheels handle any terrain much better for me. I can set up some classic shaped harder wheels for a smooth park but once I'm skating some crusty parking lot even just to get to my car it's not fun at all. I also just got used to the look of them. Now anytime I set up some 52-54mm classic shaped wheels it just doesn't look right. And losing hanger space isn't a big deal when washers exist. I do 2-3 on the inside and one on the outside and it's perfectly fine with plenty of room to grind.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on June 10, 2023, 03:43:31 PM
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Bones bearings are falling out of my formula fours. Anyone had this experience? Like the inner rins is not tight anymore and so the bearings just fall out. Did i do something wrong? They are around 1 years old.
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Something doesn't add up with this one, F4's are tight AF to get bearings in and out of compared to other wheels.


f4's moved to Mexico recently so there right have been a couple hiccups right out of the gate..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 10, 2023, 06:26:30 PM
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Bones bearings are falling out of my formula fours. Anyone had this experience? Like the inner rins is not tight anymore and so the bearings just fall out. Did i do something wrong? They are around 1 years old.
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Something doesn't add up with this one, F4's are tight AF to get bearings in and out of compared to other wheels.
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f4's moved to Mexico recently so there right have been a couple hiccups right out of the gate..


There have definitely been known issues with the molds, mainly the bearing seats didn't quite fit or something ended up crooked in some of them, which usually means the bearing will not fit in the wheel how it should, sometimes at all, as per a set I had seen from someone else and returned to the shop for an immediate replacement, or others which you can just feel when you roll the wheel with bearings in it between fingers that it is ovalling rather than rolling straight.  This is most likely what has happened in the set in question, as you could most likely get the bearings in as per usual and the wheel didn't immediately lock up or not fit on the truck with bearings in, but then over time the bearing has widened out the bearing seat and caused the current situation.

What size and shape are the wheels?

Just curious because I have seen it more so on Conical Full but other people said they have had it on the Radial Full and another set I can't remember right now.


Given the time frame, they are well past warranty from a shop perspective, but if you are in USA, reaching out to DLX might help anyway.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FatGuy92 on June 10, 2023, 07:11:57 PM
Got some 53mm radials and man I might have found the perfect wheel for me. I had such a good session on them straight out of the gate. I’m learning transition skating kind of late in my (skate) life and these made back 50s feel way more comfortable.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on June 11, 2023, 09:39:16 AM
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As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
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What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies
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This

Less hanger space is actually one big reason why I use Radial Fulls on wider trucks. As much as I like wide boards, sometimes I feel like 159/169s are too much truck and the coping/ledge has so much room to move around on the hanger which means locking in is a bit harder. Combing Radial Fulls and wide trucks gives me the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 11, 2023, 09:46:09 AM
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As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
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What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies
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This
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Less hanger space is actually one big reason why I use Radial Fulls on wider trucks. As much as I like wide boards, sometimes I feel like 159/169s are too much truck and the coping/ledge has so much room to move around on the hanger which means locking in is a bit harder. Combing Radial Fulls and wide trucks gives me the best of both worlds.

I have two set-ups. An 8.25/144s, and 8.75/159s. The 8.25 is my main one. There are some things I love about the 8.75, but I hate the lateral slop that happens with 159s, so I can absolutely relate to your sentiment. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 11, 2023, 02:15:41 PM
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As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
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What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies
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This
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Less hanger space is actually one big reason why I use Radial Fulls on wider trucks. As much as I like wide boards, sometimes I feel like 159/169s are too much truck and the coping/ledge has so much room to move around on the hanger which means locking in is a bit harder. Combing Radial Fulls and wide trucks gives me the best of both worlds.

I feel you with 169s, 159s are usually the perfect fit for sitting on most curbs and slimmer wheels help in that regard.

I was riding AF1 low 44s and had to switch back to STF V3s, it's crazy how small that hanger is compare to other 144/148 trucks, especially with classics on them. Makes them look like ~139s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 11, 2023, 06:10:20 PM
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As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
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What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies
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This
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Less hanger space is actually one big reason why I use Radial Fulls on wider trucks. As much as I like wide boards, sometimes I feel like 159/169s are too much truck and the coping/ledge has so much room to move around on the hanger which means locking in is a bit harder. Combing Radial Fulls and wide trucks gives me the best of both worlds.

This makes sense. I usually ride 169s/AF1 66, but I feel like I would enjoy some fulls on a set of 215s.

Also @yourbreakfsat your YouTube videos are great, definitely one of the better channels out there
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on June 11, 2023, 06:51:58 PM
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As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
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What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies
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This
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Less hanger space is actually one big reason why I use Radial Fulls on wider trucks. As much as I like wide boards, sometimes I feel like 159/169s are too much truck and the coping/ledge has so much room to move around on the hanger which means locking in is a bit harder. Combing Radial Fulls and wide trucks gives me the best of both worlds.
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This makes sense. I usually ride 169s/AF1 66, but I feel like I would enjoy some fulls on a set of 215s.

Also @yourbreakfsat your YouTube videos are great, definitely one of the better channels out there

Thank you!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on June 12, 2023, 11:15:20 PM
Just wanted to say that after being off the Classics for a while and now being back on them: the best wheel ever?

Pop feels so light after a some heavy ass fat conical wheels and the flip factor has just sparked back up. No chance I'm going to try something like Lock-In fulls. Seems like putting a lot of unnecessary weight and bulk to one's setup.

Even on bigger transition I prefer something narrower than the needless fat wheel trend offers these days. The control is just crispier with "normal" wheels. I mean, the Bones 58mm SPFs on my big pool setup have a 16.5mm contact patch and they are just perfect.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on June 13, 2023, 10:50:00 AM
Just wanted to say that after being off the Classics for a while and now being back on them: the best wheel ever?


I am really happy with them. just got my first set 51mm 99a. Also with my first set of Thunders. I am very glad I got classics with these trucks because thunders dont turn as much as i am used to and it feels like the shape kinda helps make up for that.

I was also worried about drag on noseslides with these trucks, but since a lot less of the wheel is touching the wall, it doesn't feel like i am really losing any speed on the noseslide compared to any other brand truck.

Final thing I am very happy about the way that it pinches for feeble - finally learned this frickin trick! took me forever! I learned it on a full soft wheel with rails and then when i brought it to this setup with no rails it felt great still.


I would say i guess if i were to list downsides, it feels like these wheels can kinda wear a little more un-evenly than a full. It felt like i had a flat spot but i just rode it out for awhile and then it seemed to go back to normal... it just looked like the wheel wore a little more on one of the corners for a moment but it quickly rode out.

i suppose the wheels wont last as long in general compared to a full due to less material. I just wanted to get back to a tiny wheel as quickly as possible and this one is perfect for me. will probably feel really amazing once its worn down to 49mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: sionarancsle on June 14, 2023, 01:37:21 PM
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Bones bearings are falling out of my formula fours. Anyone had this experience? Like the inner rins is not tight anymore and so the bearings just fall out. Did i do something wrong? They are around 1 years old.
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Something doesn't add up with this one, F4's are tight AF to get bearings in and out of compared to other wheels.
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f4's moved to Mexico recently so there right have been a couple hiccups right out of the gate..
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There have definitely been known issues with the molds, mainly the bearing seats didn't quite fit or something ended up crooked in some of them, which usually means the bearing will not fit in the wheel how it should, sometimes at all, as per a set I had seen from someone else and returned to the shop for an immediate replacement, or others which you can just feel when you roll the wheel with bearings in it between fingers that it is ovalling rather than rolling straight.  This is most likely what has happened in the set in question, as you could most likely get the bearings in as per usual and the wheel didn't immediately lock up or not fit on the truck with bearings in, but then over time the bearing has widened out the bearing seat and caused the current situation.

What size and shape are the wheels?

Just curious because I have seen it more so on Conical Full but other people said they have had it on the Radial Full and another set I can't remember right now.


Given the time frame, they are well past warranty from a shop perspective, but if you are in USA, reaching out to DLX might help anyway.

conical full 54 mm from last summer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on June 14, 2023, 02:27:49 PM
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As someone who prefers fat wide wheels, it doesn't get any better than radial fulls. No diminished performance due to both sides being rounded edges. I love my dogtowns for their softer durometer but that 80s type shape with the outside being a sharp straight cut makes my fs slappies harder to get into. 92a-95a in a radial full would be the holy grail wheel for me.
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What kind of skating are you doing mainly?
And also anyone else riding super fat wheels. What are you doing with these? I totally get big wheels in the sense of large diameter, but why the giant width? Rip to all the truck space covered by fullies
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I'll skate any terrain: Pools, ramp, ditches, street, park, whatever; have ridden STF V3s (thinnest you can get) to Radial Fulls and so many in between and quite honestly, I don't find any performance benefits when it comes to width, only downsides.

Can someone provide some science (and not 'cuz they feel good) to help up plebs understand why sacrificing hanger room for grinds and increasing board weight (which does apply to speed given equal friction) for a wider/chunky wheel is better, as it's been argued (and proven) that width of an object is not impacting it's ability to grip or slide.

Skateboards don't go fast enough (on Mega, maybe) for things like drag or rolling (width) resistance to come into play.

These aren't fucking drag racing tires pushed by 1000hp

my favorite shape is the classic (58mm, but still), but the wider wheels are so much better on crusty spots and shitty ground. where i live there’s these bricks everywhere and it’s so much easier to skate on that with wider wheels. all the full shapes make it harder to flip the board around though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Firebert on June 14, 2023, 04:23:11 PM
My philosophy is that a wider wheel distributes forces applied over a larger surface area, thus creating less pressure on a specific point, allowing the wheels to begin to slide more easily.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 14, 2023, 06:52:51 PM
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Bones bearings are falling out of my formula fours. Anyone had this experience? Like the inner rins is not tight anymore and so the bearings just fall out. Did i do something wrong? They are around 1 years old.
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Something doesn't add up with this one, F4's are tight AF to get bearings in and out of compared to other wheels.
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f4's moved to Mexico recently so there right have been a couple hiccups right out of the gate..
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There have definitely been known issues with the molds, mainly the bearing seats didn't quite fit or something ended up crooked in some of them, which usually means the bearing will not fit in the wheel how it should, sometimes at all, as per a set I had seen from someone else and returned to the shop for an immediate replacement, or others which you can just feel when you roll the wheel with bearings in it between fingers that it is ovalling rather than rolling straight.  This is most likely what has happened in the set in question, as you could most likely get the bearings in as per usual and the wheel didn't immediately lock up or not fit on the truck with bearings in, but then over time the bearing has widened out the bearing seat and caused the current situation.

What size and shape are the wheels?

Just curious because I have seen it more so on Conical Full but other people said they have had it on the Radial Full and another set I can't remember right now.


Given the time frame, they are well past warranty from a shop perspective, but if you are in USA, reaching out to DLX might help anyway.
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conical full 54 mm from last summer.


Not to read too much into it as a few different wheels have had issues, but that is the exact same wheel I saw with issues.

Definitely check out DLXSF.COM and ask about them.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on June 16, 2023, 05:21:42 AM
My philosophy is that a wider wheel distributes forces applied over a larger surface area, thus creating less pressure on a specific point, allowing the wheels to begin to slide more easily.

yes
another consequence is it makes them better at handling rough ground (ie more comfortable)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 16, 2023, 07:22:03 AM
My philosophy is that a wider wheel distributes forces applied over a larger surface area, thus creating less pressure on a specific point, allowing the wheels to begin to slide more easily.

I'm not a physics guy, but everything about my Classics slides better than my Conicals.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on June 16, 2023, 07:26:48 AM
i have 51 classics with thunders
and 54 conical full with aces
they seem to slide about the same to me (both 99a)
probably because the Thunders drag a bit more and the Aces are a bit more slippery. So that would lead me to believe the classics noseslide a lot better.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WelcomeToHell on June 16, 2023, 08:50:44 AM
Random question for the Spitfire historians here in the chat. When were Tablets introduced (2019?)? Was there a Tablet-like Spitfire wheel in the 90s? I swear at one point I rode Tablets for a while but maybe they were a different blocky Spitfire wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 16, 2023, 09:14:27 AM
This ad was from 1991.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk9HpT2CEAAHwgj?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on June 16, 2023, 02:52:50 PM
This ad was from 1991.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk9HpT2CEAAHwgj?format=jpg&name=900x900)


was he on Dogtown back then? Dogtown K9's, believe it or not were pretty great back then. IIRCC, they would've just been going out of style as they where 57mm-ish. spitfire's kinda sucked and were thought to flatspot easily.

awesome photo!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 16, 2023, 04:44:29 PM
Random question for the Spitfire historians here in the chat. When were Tablets introduced (2019?)? Was there a Tablet-like Spitfire wheel in the 90s? I swear at one point I rode Tablets for a while but maybe they were a different blocky Spitfire wheel.


That ad / pic is always such a rad one to see, but wheels from back then were all very squared off, for the most part, so even from the late 80s, early 90s the shape was significantly different now to what it used to be.

When Spitfire first brought out the Formula Four in 2013, they had four options, Classic 99 duro, Full 99, Classic 101 and Tablet 101, again not quite the same shape as is now, but very similar, in that it was flat sided with minimal curved corners.


I don't have any 80s Spitfire wheels, but I have seen pics and people have had them on ebay a fair bit over the years, so the easiest to find and look at similar type of wheel is the old Powell or OJs reissues or even the still current original urethane Spitfire 60mm Classic wheel, the really big square one with the red swirl graphic.  Note NOT the Formula Four Classic, which is rounded.


Also in looking through things, this was the only reasonable (but tiny) pic with Spitfire wheels from 1988 or so - very much the similar shape to what is now the OG Classic shape, the one from the ad in 60 mm 95 duro, which was fairly common middle ground back then for a wheel.


https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/679621400009863958/


(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/23/ae/0f/23ae0f4353628640126afbcee8171854.jpg)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 16, 2023, 04:48:36 PM
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I found another listing, almost by accident, but this one has really good pics too:


https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-spitfire-rubber-duck-eez-3762315909


https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/1/0920/25/vintage-spitfire-rubber-duck-eez_1_17bf2e0325076e18569fe00781414824.jpg

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on June 16, 2023, 05:29:55 PM
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This ad was from 1991.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk9HpT2CEAAHwgj?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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oh sick, a nice photo from when skating was cool


was he on Dogtown back then? Dogtown K9's, believe it or not were pretty great back then. IIRCC, they would've just been going out of style as they where 57mm-ish. spitfire's kinda sucked and were thought to flatspot easily.

awesome photo!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WelcomeToHell on June 16, 2023, 06:59:04 PM
This ad was from 1991.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk9HpT2CEAAHwgj?format=jpg&name=900x900)

Ok so I'm not completely crazy. Did they discontinue them at some point and then bring them back in 2019? Appreciate everyone's help! My memory is an absolute sieve.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 16, 2023, 08:37:28 PM
Correct. Here's a glimpse of the 90s tablets.

(https://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Burnout/2013/Magazine_1991/July_1991/TH0791July1991p24-25_800t.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on June 16, 2023, 09:41:02 PM
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This ad was from 1991.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk9HpT2CEAAHwgj?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Ok so I'm not completely crazy. Did they discontinue them at some point and then bring them back in 2019? Appreciate everyone's help! My memory is an absolute sieve.


they went away really quick iircc, wheels were just about to go small & pants big! the 55mm is/was a good wheel, the 53mm back then flat spotted easily, narrow wheels in general across brands flat spotted much easier back then.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on June 16, 2023, 09:46:22 PM
yo i dont remember who told me this, but somebody said that 99s slide better than the 101s

i tried an old pair on my cruiser the other day and it actually seemed like its true, does anybody have any imput on this?

why the fuck am i skating 101s if the 99s slide better ? id have no reason to
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on June 16, 2023, 11:34:49 PM
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This ad was from 1991.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bk9HpT2CEAAHwgj?format=jpg&name=900x900)
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Ok so I'm not completely crazy. Did they discontinue them at some point and then bring them back in 2019? Appreciate everyone's help! My memory is an absolute sieve.
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they went away really quick iircc, wheels were just about to go small & pants big! the 55mm is/was a good wheel, the 53mm back then flat spotted easily, narrow wheels in general across brands flat spotted much easier back then.
"Hots", wonder how they looked.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WelcomeToHell on June 17, 2023, 05:01:25 AM
Correct. Here's a glimpse of the 90s tablets.

(https://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Burnout/2013/Magazine_1991/July_1991/TH0791July1991p24-25_800t.jpg)

Sick. Thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 17, 2023, 11:51:28 PM
Wasn’t there another run of tablets before the current iteration (not the old school ones, after those)?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 18, 2023, 01:26:59 PM
Correct. Here's a glimpse of the 90s tablets.

(https://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Burnout/2013/Magazine_1991/July_1991/TH0791July1991p24-25_800t.jpg)

These look sick. It would be cool if they still did the side cut instead of the flat side profile that they do now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WelcomeToHell on June 18, 2023, 06:38:09 PM
Wasn’t there another run of tablets before the current iteration (not the old school ones, after those)?

I thought there was another run a well (maybe in the mid '00s?), but again, that's just a foggy, possibly wrong, memory.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 18, 2023, 06:39:32 PM
Wasn’t there another run of tablets before the current iteration (not the old school ones, after those)?


I put this in the middle of a whole lot of other info on the last page, most likely got lost as I often type too much and people don't read it all, but yes, in 2013 when the Formula Four first came out.

I still have the marketing blurb from them too, which was cool to see.



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Random question for the Spitfire historians here in the chat. When were Tablets introduced (2019?)? Was there a Tablet-like Spitfire wheel in the 90s? I swear at one point I rode Tablets for a while but maybe they were a different blocky Spitfire wheel.
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When Spitfire first brought out the Formula Four in 2013, they had four options, Classic 99 duro, Full 99, Classic 101 and Tablet 101, again not quite the same shape as is now, but very similar, in that it was flat sided with minimal curved corners.



Found it:


(https://i.ibb.co/Jr760k5/Spitfire-First-F4-Poster-2013.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c2FfMTD)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on June 18, 2023, 06:45:58 PM
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Wasn’t there another run of tablets before the current iteration (not the old school ones, after those)?
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I put this in the middle of a whole lot of other info on the last page, most likely got lost as I often type too much and people don't read it all, but yes, in 2013 when the Formula Four first came out.

I still have the marketing blurb from them too, which was cool to see.



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Random question for the Spitfire historians here in the chat. When were Tablets introduced (2019?)? Was there a Tablet-like Spitfire wheel in the 90s? I swear at one point I rode Tablets for a while but maybe they were a different blocky Spitfire wheel.
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When Spitfire first brought out the Formula Four in 2013, they had four options, Classic 99 duro, Full 99, Classic 101 and Tablet 101, again not quite the same shape as is now, but very similar, in that it was flat sided with minimal curved corners.

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Found it:


(https://i.ibb.co/Jr760k5/Spitfire-First-F4-Poster-2013.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c2FfMTD)


Cool! Thought they were early F4...I remember them being all red for some reason. That run was really short lived.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 18, 2023, 06:52:31 PM
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Correct. Here's a glimpse of the 90s tablets.

(https://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Burnout/2013/Magazine_1991/July_1991/TH0791July1991p24-25_800t.jpg)
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These look sick. It would be cool if they still did the side cut instead of the flat side profile that they do now



The thing is the OG Classic appears to be that wheel shape, as in it is a squared off wheel, not wide in profile like some of the others, with a cutaway area like they have with the swirl graphic, so although the name and formula might have changed a bit, the actual shape of the wheel is much the same as per the wheels back then.

Check out some OG Classics if you haven't seen them in person, because that is what they look like.  Comparing their dimensions from the Spitfire site too, they are not that different, between 1 - 2 mm wider in wheel width and riding surface from Tablet to OG Classic, but as you said, without the flat side profile.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/



Those old Thrasher mags they put up in their entirety are amazing to see too!

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on June 18, 2023, 08:57:04 PM
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Correct. Here's a glimpse of the 90s tablets.

(https://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Burnout/2013/Magazine_1991/July_1991/TH0791July1991p24-25_800t.jpg)
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These look sick. It would be cool if they still did the side cut instead of the flat side profile that they do now
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The thing is the OG Classic appears to be that wheel shape, as in it is a squared off wheel, not wide in profile like some of the others, with a cutaway area like they have with the swirl graphic, so although the name and formula might have changed a bit, the actual shape of the wheel is much the same as per the wheels back then.

Check out some OG Classics if you haven't seen them in person, because that is what they look like.  Comparing their dimensions from the Spitfire site too, they are not that different, between 1 - 2 mm wider in wheel width and riding surface from Tablet to OG Classic, but as you said, without the flat side profile.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/



Those old Thrasher mags they put up in their entirety are amazing to see too!

On a tangent, dang man, it’s been a sec since I looked at that catalog you linked

I had no idea lock-ins we’re wider than conical fulls

I really wish they made 58-60 mm lock ins, that would be heavenly
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 18, 2023, 10:22:13 PM
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Correct. Here's a glimpse of the 90s tablets.

(https://www.thrashermagazine.com/imagesV2/Burnout/2013/Magazine_1991/July_1991/TH0791July1991p24-25_800t.jpg)
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These look sick. It would be cool if they still did the side cut instead of the flat side profile that they do now
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The thing is the OG Classic appears to be that wheel shape, as in it is a squared off wheel, not wide in profile like some of the others, with a cutaway area like they have with the swirl graphic, so although the name and formula might have changed a bit, the actual shape of the wheel is much the same as per the wheels back then.

Check out some OG Classics if you haven't seen them in person, because that is what they look like.  Comparing their dimensions from the Spitfire site too, they are not that different, between 1 - 2 mm wider in wheel width and riding surface from Tablet to OG Classic, but as you said, without the flat side profile.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/



Those old Thrasher mags they put up in their entirety are amazing to see too!

I thought about that right after I hit post. OG classics are my favorite wheels.

Also that full shape in that ad looks nice too. Pretty close to the Bones P5/V5 shape
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 19, 2023, 01:29:51 AM

On a tangent, dang man, it’s been a sec since I looked at that catalog you linked

I had no idea lock-ins we’re wider than conical fulls

I really wish they made 58-60 mm lock ins, that would be heavenly


The Spitfire sizes page has just been updated, mainly to showcase the two new shapes in the Full range, but they also dropped a few other styles from the main area.

I think others were saying some measurements had changed as well, but the older Lock ins that I have are not that wide.

Example from some that I do have and know:

The 55 mm 99 duro Lock ins are now listed as 35.9 wide with a 23.5 riding surface.  The ones I have are what is shown on the old spec page, as was on the back of the cards that come with the wheels, so my older ones are 55 mm in diameter, 33 mm wide with a 23 mm riding surface.

The set I have are a very minimal edge and just a completely flat back, like Tablets, whereas pics of the new ones had a much more rounded back to them, which I thought interesting too, when they were shown and shop people who have them have said they are way more round now when they look at them.


Almost everything is trending to wider wheels, but the Classics are still fairly even, with the 60 mm size previously being 39 mm wide, but are now listed as only 37 mm, so I am curious to see them in person too.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WelcomeToHell on June 19, 2023, 03:41:36 PM
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Wasn’t there another run of tablets before the current iteration (not the old school ones, after those)?
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I put this in the middle of a whole lot of other info on the last page, most likely got lost as I often type too much and people don't read it all, but yes, in 2013 when the Formula Four first came out.

I still have the marketing blurb from them too, which was cool to see.



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Random question for the Spitfire historians here in the chat. When were Tablets introduced (2019?)? Was there a Tablet-like Spitfire wheel in the 90s? I swear at one point I rode Tablets for a while but maybe they were a different blocky Spitfire wheel.
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When Spitfire first brought out the Formula Four in 2013, they had four options, Classic 99 duro, Full 99, Classic 101 and Tablet 101, again not quite the same shape as is now, but very similar, in that it was flat sided with minimal curved corners.

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Found it:


(https://i.ibb.co/Jr760k5/Spitfire-First-F4-Poster-2013.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c2FfMTD)

Thank you! I appreciate your long, detailed posts!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on June 20, 2023, 04:34:58 PM
Anyone have information on the Spitfire Sapphires that are now arriving in shops?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on June 20, 2023, 04:57:30 PM
I am super curious, came out of no where. Have a core, wonder if they slide?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on June 20, 2023, 05:57:00 PM
i'm sorry the what nows?

update:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0607/6232/5221/files/SAPH_2e74f462-808b-49ae-aef4-fb574fb0c4bf_2048x2048.webp?v=1687295543)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on June 20, 2023, 06:06:55 PM
I feel like they did the OJ dual duro thing correctly. For those who have dealt with bearing slippage and plastic cores were a solution, yeah I need that hard inner duro and softer outer. Not the other way around. Truly clear would be cooler though. Not that blue color.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on June 20, 2023, 06:28:30 PM
So these are like a reverse dual duro, not quite dragon, not quite cruiser, maybe filmer but a bit too hard, clear for some reason... Wow, not sure what these are for? Not meant to be a criticism, but I'm genuinely curious what these would be for?

I suppose with how spitfire and Bones duro ratings differ, these should be pretty in line with Dragon hardness.

If they slide then they're on to something, but if they don't then what would they be for? Guess we'll find out.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 20, 2023, 07:05:10 PM
Sick. I'm pretty much a sucker for any and all Spitfire wheels so I will likely try these. However, the 88a to 98a durometer zone has been a bit of a no man's land since the early 90s. So they have their work cut of for them. What will they do better than 80HDs?

I am presuming these might be a really fast cruiser type wheel like the Rica 86a clouds or Keyframes. I am also a sucker for clear urethane.

Will cop.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Daydream on June 20, 2023, 07:49:56 PM
Yeah def want. Thinking orange 54mm range for the aces no risers
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 20, 2023, 08:37:16 PM
i'm sorry the what nows?

update:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0607/6232/5221/files/SAPH_2e74f462-808b-49ae-aef4-fb574fb0c4bf_2048x2048.webp?v=1687295543)

What shop did you see this in?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on June 20, 2023, 09:20:07 PM
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i'm sorry the what nows?

update:
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0607/6232/5221/files/SAPH_2e74f462-808b-49ae-aef4-fb574fb0c4bf_2048x2048.webp?v=1687295543)
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What shop did you see this in?

that pic is from calskate, they have all the sizes except the 54s i think
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 20, 2023, 09:23:22 PM
Oh shit. Cal Skate is one of my locals. Thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 20, 2023, 10:29:06 PM
damn look forward to trying those. i was just shooting the shit today at the local park about how much i love spits but the cruisers aren't that special. any idea as to when they hit shops?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on June 20, 2023, 11:28:45 PM
so i don't math a lot but isn't the 101 core gonna make these harder than 90?




also, i really want to see the purple ones, someone show me the purple ones! please!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on June 20, 2023, 11:35:04 PM
Why this kind of new wheel? There are loads of great cruiser options already, and the Powell Dragons have changed the game in actually really skateable softer wheels. For the ones who like the cheesy candy aesthetic?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on June 21, 2023, 07:15:11 AM
damn look forward to trying those. i was just shooting the shit today at the local park about how much i love spits but the cruisers aren't that special. any idea as to when they hit shops?

Cal's are shipping them on June 26th.
Why this kind of new wheel? There are loads of great cruiser options already, and the Powell Dragons have changed the game in actually really skateable softer wheels. For the ones who like the cheesy candy aesthetic?

Spitfire has been lacking in the cruiser wheel game for a bit and people seem to be really into softer options these days.  I bet they've been working on these for awhile. In saying all that the new 80HDs are pretty damn nice.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on June 21, 2023, 08:03:09 AM
so i don't math a lot but isn't the 101 core gonna make these harder than 90?




also, i really want to see the purple ones, someone show me the purple ones! please!
(https://i.imgur.com/CzNdsMk.jpg)

Link with stock photo:
https://calsk8.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-sapphires-90du-purple-58mm-wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Daydream on June 21, 2023, 08:13:17 AM
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so i don't math a lot but isn't the 101 core gonna make these harder than 90?

also, i really want to see the purple ones, someone show me the purple ones! please!
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(https://i.imgur.com/CzNdsMk.jpg)

Link with stock photo:
https://calsk8.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-sapphires-90du-purple-58mm-wheels

Oh good find.

Nothing about "slide" or anything in Sapphires product description.

To compare "OJ Keyframe, 87a - A harder soft wheel great for cruising, sliding or filming lines as they're a bit faster than some of the softer varieties."
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 21, 2023, 09:41:42 AM
.

More than anything a soft wheel needs a harder core to keep the bearings in position, so having anything like 90 duro would definitely benefit from a more normal core.

The colour, or more specifically the see through nature makes them way more interesting to the people who like "shiny things" of which I would see many every day in the usual shop situation, when I was there before covid.  Nothing against those people - it is just one of those things, but having a product like this will usually sell more units to people who are more interested in having a cool looking cruiser wheel, than if they were just a white or natural urethane colour.


Although the cruiser wheel market might have a lot of good wheels, Spitfire only had the regular wheels in look and shape, with their 101, 99, 97 and even in the 80 HD which were a little limited in what you could do with them, but still skated well in many situations.

Something more in the 90 duro range is a lot more versatile, even though some people might not be that keen, but most 90 duro wheels I have tried can still slide if you push them hard enough, but more than anything will not usually slip out, no matter how slippery the ramp is, as well as being good to get over whatever ground from A to B.


I am curious to hear and see more, but as I have seen already, some people are keen, others maybe more reserved, but they are something new, so given the chance, I would be interested to have a roll on some and see what they have come up with this time.

Just wait and see, I guess.

Everything takes longer to get out here to Australia, but at least by then most people have posted their takes on the product from USA which I like to see and read and I don't mind the wait really.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on June 21, 2023, 12:20:58 PM
I skated this new spot with brand new asphalt and found that my CF 99s are quite slippery there. Actually to the point I found it annoying. Would it be worth getting the 97s instead and maybe a wider wheel like Radial Full?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on June 21, 2023, 12:25:13 PM
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so i don't math a lot but isn't the 101 core gonna make these harder than 90?




also, i really want to see the purple ones, someone show me the purple ones! please!
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(https://i.imgur.com/CzNdsMk.jpg)

Link with stock photo:
https://calsk8.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-sapphires-90du-purple-58mm-wheels


thanks so much man. i got a new job gonna celebrate by getting a set of these soon!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DaleNixon108 on June 21, 2023, 01:56:37 PM
Pals,

I've been wondering why most people recommend spitfire conical fulls for bowl skaters when in fact when I look at transition skaters like Grosso (RIP), Hewitt, Ronnie Sandoval, Jimmy Wilkens, Omar Hasasan (just to name a few) all rock spitfire classics between 55 and 58 mm. Been on CF's forever but those purple classics look soooo good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on June 21, 2023, 02:19:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CzNdsMk.jpg)

Link with stock photo:
https://calsk8.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-wheels-sapphires-90du-purple-58mm-wheels


thanks!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on June 21, 2023, 03:28:59 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CtwzoeOPDpZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jebediah on June 21, 2023, 04:06:49 PM
they look delicious
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: skatebruh on June 21, 2023, 04:10:07 PM
I skated this new spot with brand new asphalt and found that my CF 99s are quite slippery there. Actually to the point I found it annoying. Would it be worth getting the 97s instead and maybe a wider wheel like Radial Full?
Go for 97s if you want more grip.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on June 21, 2023, 04:25:23 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/BB0YWy4/Wheel0623-Sapphire58mm-1200x.webp) (https://ibb.co/BB0YWy4)


that's interesting, looks like the wheel is clear and the core is what colors the wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on June 21, 2023, 04:59:01 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/BB0YWy4/Wheel0623-Sapphire58mm-1200x.webp) (https://ibb.co/BB0YWy4)


that's interesting, looks like the wheel is clear and the core is what colors the wheel.

Those look killer.

I wish they was F4 tho.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on June 21, 2023, 07:58:10 PM
Oh shit. Cal Skate is one of my locals. Thanks!

np - if you grab some, i'm curious what you think. i'm around pdx too so i'm curious how they handle/what they are good for
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on June 21, 2023, 10:23:56 PM
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I skated this new spot with brand new asphalt and found that my CF 99s are quite slippery there. Actually to the point I found it annoying. Would it be worth getting the 97s instead and maybe a wider wheel like Radial Full?
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Go for 97s if you want more grip.

Thanks, I copped some 97 RFs.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on June 21, 2023, 10:41:03 PM
Pals,

I've been wondering why most people recommend spitfire conical fulls for bowl skaters when in fact when I look at transition skaters like Grosso (RIP), Hewitt, Ronnie Sandoval, Jimmy Wilkens, Omar Hasasan (just to name a few) all rock spitfire classics between 55 and 58 mm. Been on CF's forever but those purple classics look soooo good.
Probably because after they lose 1 - 2mm they start to become a fat conical
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 22, 2023, 06:37:42 AM
Pals,

I've been wondering why most people recommend spitfire conical fulls for bowl skaters when in fact when I look at transition skaters like Grosso (RIP), Hewitt, Ronnie Sandoval, Jimmy Wilkens, Omar Hasasan (just to name a few) all rock spitfire classics between 55 and 58 mm. Been on CF's forever but those purple classics look soooo good.

Grosso was a big fan of the Classic Fulls. And considering the current Full trend, it’s bewildering they haven’t put those in production again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on June 22, 2023, 03:21:33 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CtzwLbVSnAI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CtzwLbVSnAI/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on June 22, 2023, 06:51:36 PM
They are testing some 93 and 95 f4’s. I have an old set of some sample cored f4 wheels that feel like they’re in that range but I don’t remember them sliding well.
Might set em up again.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on June 22, 2023, 06:56:02 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/HFqCwYZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Daydream on June 22, 2023, 07:40:49 PM
 Niceee. Thanks for sharing, those would be ideal
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 23, 2023, 11:19:26 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CtzwLbVSnAI/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CtzwLbVSnAI/)

I have no need for a 90a wheel, but they look so cool I’ll probably still buy a set just to try
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: manysnakes on June 23, 2023, 11:23:49 AM
They are testing some 93 and 95 f4’s. I have an old set of some sample cored f4 wheels that feel like they’re in that range but I don’t remember them sliding well.
Might set em up again.

I'm a big Spitfire skater, but the thing about 93a and 95a Spitfire wheels is that we already have the 97a, which is pretty soft but doesn't remotely compare to the Dragons. I think going softer still is barking up the wrong tree, but maybe they will prove me wrong.

I think they're on the right track though with these 90a cruiser wheels which come in a size and shape familiar to street skaters (as opposed to the OJ Mini Juice, which I like but which are huge).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on June 23, 2023, 11:35:52 AM
Soon we'll have over 20 different duros from 78 to 101 like it even matters any more.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on June 23, 2023, 11:55:49 AM
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They are testing some 93 and 95 f4’s. I have an old set of some sample cored f4 wheels that feel like they’re in that range but I don’t remember them sliding well.
Might set em up again.
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I'm a big Spitfire skater, but the thing about 93a and 95a Spitfire wheels is that we already have the 97a, which is pretty soft but doesn't remotely compare to the Dragons. I think going softer still is barking up the wrong tree, but maybe they will prove me wrong.

I think they're on the right track though with these 90a cruiser wheels which come in a size and shape familiar to street skaters (as opposed to the OJ Mini Juice, which I like but which are huge).

Yup.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Daydream on June 23, 2023, 02:39:25 PM
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They are testing some 93 and 95 f4’s. I have an old set of some sample cored f4 wheels that feel like they’re in that range but I don’t remember them sliding well.
Might set em up again.
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I'm a big Spitfire skater, but the thing about 93a and 95a Spitfire wheels is that we already have the 97a, which is pretty soft but doesn't remotely compare to the Dragons. I think going softer still is barking up the wrong tree, but maybe they will prove me wrong.

I think they're on the right track though with these 90a cruiser wheels which come in a size and shape familiar to street skaters (as opposed to the OJ Mini Juice, which I like but which are huge).
i wonder how close they will be to dragons tho. Or if that’s for the 95 F4 supposedly testing. But what you meant I think is how close these will be to oj key frames, 87a, as a wheel shape that resembles a steeet wheel

I have both key frames and dragons and want to try these
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on June 24, 2023, 04:53:25 PM
yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on June 24, 2023, 04:56:38 PM
yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing

hm i see conical full and radial full both listed as having 60mm sizes as does the og classics, can't vouch for them being in shops though

edit: last time i saw 60mm og classics actually in a shop they sold out in record time
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on June 24, 2023, 05:11:05 PM
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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing
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hm i see conical full and radial full both listed as having 60mm sizes as does the og classics, can't vouch for them being in shops though

edit: last time i saw 60mm og classics actually in a shop they sold out in record time

One set left if you don't mind ordering from Canada.

https://www.sourceboards.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-f4-classic-99a-red-wheels-60mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on June 24, 2023, 05:45:46 PM
Kaders new wheel comes in a 59
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 24, 2023, 09:24:08 PM
yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing


So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on June 25, 2023, 02:48:05 PM
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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing
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So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.


you dont sound like a dick

i looked at this page

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

which is what came up for me on google when i searched for the formula four wheel catalog - i wanted the f4 catalog specifically. its so stupid to me they have like 3 different catalogs on the same website & that the formula 4 sizes between them are different

this would be my first 60mm wheel, ive been on the 54-56 wave for the past 3/4 years but recently started skating transition a lot which is why i wanna bump it up

i remembered t-funk skating those massive f4 60 classics in a few of his parts a few years ago, so i assumed that theyd still be around given the big wheel fad

like you said, i did notice that wide wheels are becoming more the thing as opposed to bigger diameter wheels. but again, i wanted the bigger diameter for transition so i wouldnt have to pump so hard all the time
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on June 25, 2023, 03:51:25 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CtwzoeOPDpZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aRCmMlCcY0
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on June 25, 2023, 04:50:22 PM
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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing
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So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.
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you dont sound like a dick

i looked at this page

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

which is what came up for me on google when i searched for the formula four wheel catalog - i wanted the f4 catalog specifically. its so stupid to me they have like 3 different catalogs on the same website & that the formula 4 sizes between them are different

this would be my first 60mm wheel, ive been on the 54-56 wave for the past 3/4 years but recently started skating transition a lot which is why i wanna bump it up

i remembered t-funk skating those massive f4 60 classics in a few of his parts a few years ago, so i assumed that theyd still be around given the big wheel fad

like you said, i did notice that wide wheels are becoming more the thing as opposed to bigger diameter wheels. but again, i wanted the bigger diameter for transition so i wouldnt have to pump so hard all the time


That old size and spec page is funny, given how old and outdated it is, but I guess it is still there, just not linked from the main page anymore.

When I set up a vert board when I worked at an indoor park with a vert ramp it sure was fun, but a lot of the vert guys were using 58s more than 60 mm wheels.  When asked, some said it was too hard to get 60 mm wheels in the shape they wanted, but they had way more options in 58 mm, which makes sense.

It is still not quite the 60 mm wheel, but 58 mm is pretty close and there might be more options, if you didn't want the Classic shape, which do work well as I have a set of the 60 mm Classics for that board that barely got used, but I am not really much of a big ramp skater anymore either.

If you want more grip, the wider wheels definitely give that, along with the 97s which some of the older guys use on the skatelite surfaces, but more people say the 99s are the go if you are not so worried about slipping out.

I guess it depends on what is available to you in whatever country or continent you live on too.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on June 25, 2023, 06:58:45 PM
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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing
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So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.
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you dont sound like a dick

i looked at this page

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

which is what came up for me on google when i searched for the formula four wheel catalog - i wanted the f4 catalog specifically. its so stupid to me they have like 3 different catalogs on the same website & that the formula 4 sizes between them are different

this would be my first 60mm wheel, ive been on the 54-56 wave for the past 3/4 years but recently started skating transition a lot which is why i wanna bump it up

i remembered t-funk skating those massive f4 60 classics in a few of his parts a few years ago, so i assumed that theyd still be around given the big wheel fad

like you said, i did notice that wide wheels are becoming more the thing as opposed to bigger diameter wheels. but again, i wanted the bigger diameter for transition so i wouldnt have to pump so hard all the time
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That old size and spec page is funny, given how old and outdated it is, but I guess it is still there, just not linked from the main page anymore.

When I set up a vert board when I worked at an indoor park with a vert ramp it sure was fun, but a lot of the vert guys were using 58s more than 60 mm wheels.  When asked, some said it was too hard to get 60 mm wheels in the shape they wanted, but they had way more options in 58 mm, which makes sense.

It is still not quite the 60 mm wheel, but 58 mm is pretty close and there might be more options, if you didn't want the Classic shape, which do work well as I have a set of the 60 mm Classics for that board that barely got used, but I am not really much of a big ramp skater anymore either.

If you want more grip, the wider wheels definitely give that, along with the 97s which some of the older guys use on the skatelite surfaces, but more people say the 99s are the go if you are not so worried about slipping out.

I guess it depends on what is available to you in whatever country or continent you live on too.

58s are perfect for vert, 60s feel massive. I recently stepped down to 56s and am still able to do everything I could on 58s. I’m loving the 56s because they accelerate quicker and still go fast enough that I can blast airs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on June 26, 2023, 08:31:30 AM
Got my first set of 97s today and they're 56mm. Only tried them on my frontyard and they felt pretty good to me. I'm excited to wear them out and see how they feel later. Atm I'm so beaten I cant skate anything really.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: downtodevin on June 26, 2023, 10:14:38 AM
Got my first set of 97s today and they're 56mm. Only tried them on my frontyard and they felt pretty good to me. I'm excited to wear them out and see how they feel later. Atm I'm so beaten I cant skate anything really.


I’ve been looking at maybe getting some 97 Radial Fulls. Excited to see how they work for you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on June 26, 2023, 11:44:24 AM
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Got my first set of 97s today and they're 56mm. Only tried them on my frontyard and they felt pretty good to me. I'm excited to wear them out and see how they feel later. Atm I'm so beaten I cant skate anything really.
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I’ve been looking at maybe getting some 97 Radial Fulls. Excited to see how they work for you.

I'll report back as soon as I get to skate them properly. I got the Radial Fulls and they're a little wider than my 56mm CFulls. I never had radials before and I already love the looks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on June 26, 2023, 03:19:11 PM
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yo what the fuck, spitfire doesnt sell any 60 mm (non classic shape) wheels anymore? went on their website and they had nothing
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So I guess if you were looking only at the current catalog release directly on their site, I can easily understand how you might think the wheel sizes are a bit limited.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/


If you look at the options for all the wheel shapes and sizes, you might see there are other options that are just not currently in this release catalog, which even then is by no means everything that is released or available.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


From this and from what I have looked for and found online in shops, there are still Conical Full 60mm in both 99 and 97 duro options, OG Classic wheels in 60 mm 99 duro and what might not be currently available right this minute, but the Radial Full 60 mm wheels.

That is besides the Classic 60 mm which have come out in 99 and 101 duros, or the original urethane 60 mm Classic which is a big squared off wheel, not round at all in shape.


As others had said there is also currently the Kader Radial Full 59 mm and quite a few in 58 mm, which is not far off, but all up I think the interest in wider wheels of more moderate diameters is what is trending, not so much the bigger diameter wheels, so more so the 54 through 56 sizes, than 60 mm sizes.


Thinking about past releases of Spitfire wheels, there never really have been that many options in the more recent past (think last decade or so) anyway in 60 mm size or bigger, mainly the rounder Classics, the thin square OG Classics, then the original formula wider Conical shaped Classics and once there were Big head and Multiball graphics on 59, 61 and 63 mm sizes, but that might even pre date the Formula Four wheel completely, along with the Street burners and Park burners.

I feel like there always have been more options in 60 mm wheel sizes from other brands like Bones / Powell and Santa Cruz / OJ / Slimeballs in particular, but most more diverse wheel brands have a 60 mm wheel here or there in the lineup, in much the same way that most deck brands had a token vert skater in their lineup over the years too.  Not to say that only vert dudes ride 60 mm wheels either, but that is just one observation.



* Not trying to sound like a dick or anything either, just looking at all the options in wheels and there don't seem to have been that many 60 mm over the years anyway.
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you dont sound like a dick

i looked at this page

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/formulafour/

which is what came up for me on google when i searched for the formula four wheel catalog - i wanted the f4 catalog specifically. its so stupid to me they have like 3 different catalogs on the same website & that the formula 4 sizes between them are different

this would be my first 60mm wheel, ive been on the 54-56 wave for the past 3/4 years but recently started skating transition a lot which is why i wanna bump it up

i remembered t-funk skating those massive f4 60 classics in a few of his parts a few years ago, so i assumed that theyd still be around given the big wheel fad

like you said, i did notice that wide wheels are becoming more the thing as opposed to bigger diameter wheels. but again, i wanted the bigger diameter for transition so i wouldnt have to pump so hard all the time
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That old size and spec page is funny, given how old and outdated it is, but I guess it is still there, just not linked from the main page anymore.

When I set up a vert board when I worked at an indoor park with a vert ramp it sure was fun, but a lot of the vert guys were using 58s more than 60 mm wheels.  When asked, some said it was too hard to get 60 mm wheels in the shape they wanted, but they had way more options in 58 mm, which makes sense.

It is still not quite the 60 mm wheel, but 58 mm is pretty close and there might be more options, if you didn't want the Classic shape, which do work well as I have a set of the 60 mm Classics for that board that barely got used, but I am not really much of a big ramp skater anymore either.

If you want more grip, the wider wheels definitely give that, along with the 97s which some of the older guys use on the skatelite surfaces, but more people say the 99s are the go if you are not so worried about slipping out.

I guess it depends on what is available to you in whatever country or continent you live on too.

damn thats some useful insight

always amazed people can tell the difference between 2mm differentials where as I can only notice it at around a 4mm difference

after years of ledge skating, my only outlook on the wheels issue was big wheels = faster but heavier. i never really thought about vert skaters really caring about the shape of a wheel

also i guess you're right in that there is a threshold in usefullness of the size of the wheel

maybe i just need to learn how to pump better to get more use of my 56/58mm's bc it seems like all the transition bois are at that size


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on June 27, 2023, 06:40:34 AM
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Got my first set of 97s today and they're 56mm. Only tried them on my frontyard and they felt pretty good to me. I'm excited to wear them out and see how they feel later. Atm I'm so beaten I cant skate anything really.
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I’ve been looking at maybe getting some 97 Radial Fulls. Excited to see how they work for you.
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I'll report back as soon as I get to skate them properly. I got the Radial Fulls and they're a little wider than my 56mm CFulls. I never had radials before and I already love the looks.

Only had about 15mins to skate around the town. This may not be new information but personal first impressions are that on smooth asphalt these roll as good as my 99s, handle crusty surfaces a bit better and feel slightly muted compared to 99s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on July 06, 2023, 09:38:52 PM
Ok, i gave in and picked up the kader 59s. The marketing with the tray got me, I just needed it. These are 3mm larger than anything ive ever skated lol What deck and truck setups are you all skating these with?

Hoping to avoid risers, so im guessing wheel wells or indy stds might be in my future
(https://i.imgur.com/O16w3CV.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on July 06, 2023, 09:54:06 PM
Ok, i gave in and picked up the kader 59s. The marketing with the tray got me, I just needed it. These are 3mm larger than anything ive ever skated lol What deck and truck setups are you all skating these with?

Hoping to avoid risers, so im guessing wheel wells or indy stds might be in my future
(https://i.imgur.com/O16w3CV.jpg)
I feel like, depending on your weight, wheel wells AND Indy standard/hollows to avoid risers. Polar's probably got something for ya
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on July 06, 2023, 10:15:01 PM
Aren't Indy stage 4 higher than the standards? Would try these if that's the case and you're up for a set-up change to accommodate the Kaders.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on July 06, 2023, 10:43:16 PM
Aren't Indy stage 4 higher than the standards? Would try these if that's the case and you're up for a set-up change to accommodate the Kaders.
they arent
id suggest wheels wells, high concave decks, or wax
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on July 06, 2023, 11:55:47 PM
Skated some asphalt spots yesterday, both smooth and crusty. I'm really starting to like these 97s more and more now. I also feel like they go faster now that they're worn down a bit. These wheels unlocked skating hard wheels again for me but cant go back to 99s anymore.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on July 07, 2023, 12:07:45 AM
Skated my Classics 55mm 99 and I'm in love. My OG classics were by 49mm and slow af and catching every possible pebble and not keeping speed at all.
Now I'm in heaven.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 07, 2023, 01:07:19 AM
Ok, i gave in and picked up the kader 59s. The marketing with the tray got me, I just needed it. These are 3mm larger than anything ive ever skated lol What deck and truck setups are you all skating these with?

Hoping to avoid risers, so im guessing wheel wells or indy stds might be in my future




So without doing too much looking back over your old posts, what size wheels have you had up to before?  Remember if you had 56 mm, it would only be 1.5 mm higher from the middle of the axle to deck / ground so not that much, but every mm can feel like a mile sometimes to some people too.

Also you are on Ace AF1 trucks or do you have other trucks on other setups besides what you posted?

One guy I know just set up AF1 60s with some 58 mm Conical Full wheels on a DLX 8.75 deck, which I would have thought would have a ton of wheelbite but he is making it work as is, no risers.

My thought would have at least been 1 - 2 mm risers (or 1/8" being more common), as I have on another board with AF1 trucks and what would most likely be 57 to 58 mm wheels (were bigger but now worn down) and that works fine on the rubber 2 mm pads I put on that board.

By cutting out wheel wells on another board, I don't need risers at all for that same size truck to wheel ratio, but everyone is different.

Depends what you have available or what you want to buy, but I would be setting up something you already have first just feeling it out and seeing if any more height is needed, then add a thin riser or something just to try a mm or so more, or run those wheels on something like the Heroin egg if it has wheel wells just to see.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on July 07, 2023, 09:47:23 AM
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Ok, i gave in and picked up the kader 59s. The marketing with the tray got me, I just needed it. These are 3mm larger than anything ive ever skated lol What deck and truck setups are you all skating these with?

Hoping to avoid risers, so im guessing wheel wells or indy stds might be in my future

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So without doing too much looking back over your old posts, what size wheels have you had up to before?  Remember if you had 56 mm, it would only be 1.5 mm higher from the middle of the axle to deck / ground so not that much, but every mm can feel like a mile sometimes to some people too.

Also you are on Ace AF1 trucks or do you have other trucks on other setups besides what you posted?

One guy I know just set up AF1 60s with some 58 mm Conical Full wheels on a DLX 8.75 deck, which I would have thought would have a ton of wheelbite but he is making it work as is, no risers.

My thought would have at least been 1 - 2 mm risers (or 1/8" being more common), as I have on another board with AF1 trucks and what would most likely be 57 to 58 mm wheels (were bigger but now worn down) and that works fine on the rubber 2 mm pads I put on that board.

By cutting out wheel wells on another board, I don't need risers at all for that same size truck to wheel ratio, but everyone is different.

Depends what you have available or what you want to buy, but I would be setting up something you already have first just feeling it out and seeing if any more height is needed, then add a thin riser or something just to try a mm or so more, or run those wheels on something like the Heroin egg if it has wheel wells just to see.

Im usually skating 53-54s, but have been having fun on 56 radial fulls with AF1s lately. 56 seems to me like the upper limit for semi-loose trucks on a 53mm truck. So ill probably end up taking it as an opportunity to try the wood risers and improve my pool skating.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on July 11, 2023, 09:36:31 AM
Anyone else try the dual duo sapphires yet? Seems like we've had one bad review.... Curious to hear more... would like to see an edit of them being skated...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on July 11, 2023, 01:01:39 PM


"Kevin Nice Try" does one on utube...... he doesn't go into the slide at all though, so kinda pointless.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on July 11, 2023, 01:54:28 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CukW-FxPz_G/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CukW-FxPz_G/)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on July 12, 2023, 10:42:03 PM
Tried F4 97 (classics 53mm), can't believe how awful they feel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on July 13, 2023, 04:18:07 AM
Tried F4 97 (classics 53mm), can't believe how awful they feel.

How so? I have Radials Fulls and after broken in they felt almost like the 99s but grippier.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on July 13, 2023, 06:05:10 AM
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Tried F4 97 (classics 53mm), can't believe how awful they feel.
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How so? I have Radials Fulls and after broken in they felt almost like the 99s but grippier.
Too sticky for my liking
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nymphicus hollandicus on July 13, 2023, 12:23:42 PM
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Tried F4 97 (classics 53mm), can't believe how awful they feel.
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How so? I have Radials Fulls and after broken in they felt almost like the 99s but grippier.
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Too sticky for my liking

Hi there, I'm new to slap but just wanted to chime in and say its cool reading everyone's differing opinions on the same products. I've been riding Spitfire F4 97a Classics 53mm for the past few months and really like them. I've been mainly just getting the miles in cruising around the streets (I'm in the UK, so have ridden them across a fair mix of surfaces) but I have tried them in a few skateparks too. I do find them very sticky on smooth concrete but still enjoy them on almost all other surfaces. I've noticed that considering they don't actually feel all that soft (and their smallish size- probably worn to about 52ish or just under now), I find that they can handle considerably rougher ground than other similar sized classic shaped wheels. For example, when I've just gone for it and ploughed through fast on really crappy surfaces like weathered concrete/bricks etc. (basically anything where I would expect to almost get pitched off the board), I tend to find they kind of wake-up and just sort bounce over it without too much drama. It sounds a bit too obvious but to me it's almost like you have to really go hard/risky on them to get the advantage of the softer duro perhaps? Until then they feel a bit dead.
Also, as a side note I tend to prefer the classic shape over conical/tablet shapes in general so I like that Spitfire has me covered with that size and shape in the 97 duro.
PS I'm 37 years old and skate a few times a week cruising around (tricks wise I'm more or less a beginner too) so not exactly killing it!
Cheers all :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on July 18, 2023, 01:15:38 PM
 https://www.concretedisciples.com/shop/skateboard-wheels/spitfire-wheels/the-spitfire-f4-og-classic-58mm-skateboard-wheels/ (https://www.concretedisciples.com/shop/skateboard-wheels/spitfire-wheels/the-spitfire-f4-og-classic-58mm-skateboard-wheels/)

Just found some 58mm F4 OG Classics, says there’s two sets in stock. Go get ‘em!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FROTHY on July 18, 2023, 08:44:54 PM
Flatspotted my second pair in a row of 52mm 99 duro classic f4s. I’ll get another pair though. It will take three strikes to have me looking at other options.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JimmyFive on July 18, 2023, 10:07:23 PM
You'll have a hard time flatspotting Bones X99 Formula
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Daydream on July 19, 2023, 07:13:27 PM
Cross posting from photos/video > Pedro delfino vlog. Talks about conical full and radial full differences with sidewall shape and cracks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeKmeXlktew (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeKmeXlktew)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: al_cvbrera on July 21, 2023, 08:46:10 AM
anyone else here actually like the spitfire OG formula? yeah they had more grip but it didn’t affect my skating at all. they just had a more controlled slide for me. although i like formula 4’s above any other wheel, sometimes they can feel too slick if that makes sense. after trying the classic formula, i formed the opinion that people just go for formula fours because its marketed as the more premium product.

i was fussy at first when i tried the classic formula, and as time went on, i realized i could still do the same things as i could on them compared to if i was running f4’s.

if anyone’s hesitant about trying the classic formula, give it a shot! plus they’re cheaper.

i tried them out in the classic shape, btw. i’d recommend others do so as well. idek if they offer them in any other shape like a conical or something, but if they did, i would stay away from them. them in the classic shape would be the right amount of grip, but in a conical shape would be too much imo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 21, 2023, 08:35:10 PM
anyone else here actually like the spitfire OG formula? yeah they had more grip but it didn’t affect my skating at all. they just had a more controlled slide for me. although i like formula 4’s above any other wheel, sometimes they can feel too slick if that makes sense. after trying the classic formula, i formed the opinion that people just go for formula fours because its marketed as the more premium product.

i was fussy at first when i tried the classic formula, and as time went on, i realized i could still do the same things as i could on them compared to if i was running f4’s.

if anyone’s hesitant about trying the classic formula, give it a shot! plus they’re cheaper.

i tried them out in the classic shape, btw. i’d recommend others do so as well. idek if they offer them in any other shape like a conical or something, but if they did, i would stay away from them. them in the classic shape would be the right amount of grip, but in a conical shape would be too much imo


Re original formula wheels

I still have quite a few sets on boards and yes, from skating them for so long before Formula Four came out, I was very used to them and did like the feel of them, often flatspots and all, but they usually skated out easily enough and that was just part of what they were.

From new, I did have to go very easy on them but once they aged a bit or wore in, I didn't have any issues with them and they skated great for everything for me.


To say we are all so spoilt for good wheels now might be true, but for anyone, finding something that works for you and does what you want is the main thing.

I liked the 56 to 57 mm sizes the most, which were more like Classic Full shapes from back then, Bighead or other graphic options but almost always the same shapes, as well as having quite a few sets of 54 mm Bigheads too on more tech setups.

Still have quite a few sets of barely used original formula Spitfires come through my hands, often from people who had one skate or so and flatspotted, but like always, I can wear them out easily enough and they still work great on boards I have set up for others to ride, or on secondary boards.


Formula Four are just so versatile now though, so I feel like that could be the only wheel I would ever need, if I did have to have only one from now on.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Weezil on July 21, 2023, 10:21:45 PM
I still love the way a fresh set of bigheads looks out of the pack but I prefer f4s in every way. classic formula felt too slow, sticky on the spots I skate, and I swear the bearings are hard as fuck to get out to change wheels. I love how they start out super white, but then they get yellow and gross looking, I felt like f4s maintained their color a bit better throughout their life even if they're not as white as the classic formulas.

I got a couple sets of f4s I've been rotating around for a couple years now and they surprisingly still look decent, color on the sides is still pretty the same from when I got them, riding surface though is another story but the second you skate a new set of wheels on the street the riding surface is nasty anyway.

all that said I kinda want to buy a set of bigheads now. I know the "classic full" is basically the same wheel as bigheads but I never understood why they didn't do f4 bigheads.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: texasplant on July 27, 2023, 10:07:23 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed before… I’ve been skating old F4s for a while now and recently got some new Conical Fulls… I don’t remember them being this white not too long ago? Is this something they changed recently or did I just forget how long it took for my old sets to look like this? I’ve always liked the more “natural” colour to my wheels and I can’t stop thinking about it now. This particular set almost seem a little stickier too in comparison (they’re 99s but have a few pairs of 97s and barely notice a difference.

Did I miss something? Did the formula change?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on July 27, 2023, 10:13:37 PM
Apologies if this has been discussed before… I’ve been skating old F4s for a while now and recently got some new Conical Fulls… I don’t remember them being this white not too long ago? Is this something they changed recently or did I just forget how long it took for my old sets to look like this? I’ve always liked the more “natural” colour to my wheels and I can’t stop thinking about it now. This particular set almost seem a little stickier too in comparison (they’re 99s but have a few pairs of 97s and barely notice a difference.

Did I miss something? Did the formula change?

sounds like you might've psyched yourself out. 99.9% sureformula is the same, just color is different on the more recent batches & haven't noticed a difference in performance personally
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: texasplant on July 27, 2023, 11:14:28 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed before… I’ve been skating old F4s for a while now and recently got some new Conical Fulls… I don’t remember them being this white not too long ago? Is this something they changed recently or did I just forget how long it took for my old sets to look like this? I’ve always liked the more “natural” colour to my wheels and I can’t stop thinking about it now. This particular set almost seem a little stickier too in comparison (they’re 99s but have a few pairs of 97s and barely notice a difference.

Did I miss something? Did the formula change?
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sounds like you might've psyched yourself out. 99.9% sureformula is the same, just color is different on the more recent batches & haven't noticed a difference in performance personally

Don’t get me wrong, they perform absolutely fine and I wouldn’t ever skate another wheel - just some observations. Like I said it’s been a while since I’ve had brand new ones so I wasn’t sure if it was just that.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on July 27, 2023, 11:21:14 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed before… I’ve been skating old F4s for a while now and recently got some new Conical Fulls… I don’t remember them being this white not too long ago? Is this something they changed recently or did I just forget how long it took for my old sets to look like this? I’ve always liked the more “natural” colour to my wheels and I can’t stop thinking about it now. This particular set almost seem a little stickier too in comparison (they’re 99s but have a few pairs of 97s and barely notice a difference.

Did I miss something? Did the formula change?
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sounds like you might've psyched yourself out. 99.9% sureformula is the same, just color is different on the more recent batches & haven't noticed a difference in performance personally
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Don’t get me wrong, they perform absolutely fine and I wouldn’t ever skate another wheel - just some observations. Like I said it’s been a while since I’ve had brand new ones so I wasn’t sure if it was just that.
Probably you got used to the yellow after all that time
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on July 27, 2023, 11:24:04 PM
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Apologies if this has been discussed before… I’ve been skating old F4s for a while now and recently got some new Conical Fulls… I don’t remember them being this white not too long ago? Is this something they changed recently or did I just forget how long it took for my old sets to look like this? I’ve always liked the more “natural” colour to my wheels and I can’t stop thinking about it now. This particular set almost seem a little stickier too in comparison (they’re 99s but have a few pairs of 97s and barely notice a difference.

Did I miss something? Did the formula change?
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sounds like you might've psyched yourself out. 99.9% sureformula is the same, just color is different on the more recent batches & haven't noticed a difference in performance personally
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Don’t get me wrong, they perform absolutely fine and I wouldn’t ever skate another wheel - just some observations. Like I said it’s been a while since I’ve had brand new ones so I wasn’t sure if it was just that.


I think you are right in that the newer ones are not as "natural" as older ones, which will also yellow with age, so it is a two fold thing there.

New wheels always feel a bit more slick from the first session when compared to older more worn in wheels as well, not a huge difference, but I can feel it on a set of new ones I put on a board recently, compared to way too many older ones on older setups I have around, that I am more used to skating every other day.


As to the formula, that is still the same, but as per new wheels vs old wheels, as said above, some can feel quite different to others, but I always feel like I am home on the Formula Four 99s - just the right amount of grip, slide and everything else.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on July 27, 2023, 11:26:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TXMoYn1.jpg)
Kitty approved.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on July 28, 2023, 10:25:38 AM
i normally skate 54mm classics.  i just ordered 54mm radial FULLS, but i didnt realize they were the fulls i thought just standard radial.  are these things going to be noticeably larger than a 54mm classic?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: jakeumms on July 28, 2023, 10:30:14 AM
i normally skate 54mm classics.  i just ordered 54mm radial FULLS, but i didnt realize they were the fulls i thought just standard radial.  are these things going to be noticeably larger than a 54mm classic?
Classics are 33.5mm wide with a 16.5mm riding surface
Radial Fulls are 38/25
for a frame of ref Conical Fulls are 34/22
They're gon be big'ns
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on July 28, 2023, 10:31:23 AM
i normally skate 54mm classics.  i just ordered 54mm radial FULLS, but i didnt realize they were the fulls i thought just standard radial.  are these things going to be noticeably larger than a 54mm classic?

You're going from Spitfires narrowest regular production wheel to their widest. They're going to be way different. Radial fulls are rrrrreally big.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on July 28, 2023, 10:34:53 AM
sheeesh ok thanks boys.  i'm riding a 9" eagle which is a step up for me, so maybe these will be fitting
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: yourbreakfsat on July 28, 2023, 12:16:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TXMoYn1.jpg)
Kitty approved.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Radim on August 04, 2023, 01:53:56 AM
Flatspotted my second pair in a row of 52mm 99 duro classic f4s. I’ll get another pair though. It will take three strikes to have me looking at other options.
exactly same here, man. I love the formula, though. been thinking about different shape than classic-maybe flatspots are due to narrow contact patch. my friends with conicals doesn t have this issue..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 04, 2023, 04:26:04 AM
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You're going from Spitfires narrowest regular production wheel to their widest. They're going to be way different. Radial fulls are rrrrreally big.


I had the opportunity to get some Radial Full wheels, first in 58 mm size, which were awesome but stupidly big and wide, which found a new home even before I had a roll on them really, but the next set I got was the 54 mm version and they are way more normal for me, given I used to ride a lot of the bigger wider round shaped wheels, which when worn down were about this shape, which I had a session on today.

They are still a bit more wheel than I would usually ride now, but I can definitely see how they would be good for a number of people who want the bigger and wider wheel feel but in a more normal diameter.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on August 04, 2023, 09:45:25 AM
Taking the plunge and got myself a set of 55mm Classics F4, biggest I've ever ridden were 54mm, been on 52 - 53mm mostly. I'm hoping the narrow profile will compensate to make the wheel feel less clunky.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on August 05, 2023, 12:12:10 AM
Taking the plunge and got myself a set of 55mm Classics F4, biggest I've ever ridden were 54mm, been on 52 - 53mm mostly. I'm hoping the narrow profile will compensate to make the wheel feel less clunky.

You'll love 'em. I've gone up to 56mm on F4 Classics and they don't feel at all clunky.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on August 07, 2023, 11:27:59 PM
can somebody confirm to me that the classic 99 formula slides better than f4 101s? tried an old pair of mines today and was slipping everywhere. powerslides were effortless to the point of doing them by accident (i skate f4 101s 99% of the time)

also can you confirm that f4 99s slide better than f4 101s?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on August 08, 2023, 04:35:08 AM
Taking the plunge and got myself a set of 55mm Classics F4, biggest I've ever ridden were 54mm, been on 52 - 53mm mostly. I'm hoping the narrow profile will compensate to make the wheel feel less clunky.

Loved 55 classics. Especially when they wear down some
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on August 08, 2023, 08:08:09 AM
can somebody confirm to me that the classic 99 formula slides better than f4 101s? tried an old pair of mines today and was slipping everywhere. powerslides were effortless to the point of doing them by accident (i skate f4 101s 99% of the time)

also can you confirm that f4 99s slide better than f4 101s?
I remember the classic formulas feeling harder by comparison to f4 in general even when the duros are the same so you may be on to something. You'd have to wear away the ridges first on a new classic formula wheel tho.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on August 08, 2023, 08:21:17 AM
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can somebody confirm to me that the classic 99 formula slides better than f4 101s? tried an old pair of mines today and was slipping everywhere. powerslides were effortless to the point of doing them by accident (i skate f4 101s 99% of the time)

also can you confirm that f4 99s slide better than f4 101s?
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I remember the classic formulas feeling harder by comparison to f4 in general even when the duros are the same so you may be on to something. You'd have to wear away the ridges first on a new classic formula wheel tho.

Thank you dude, I thought I was going nuts. I think imma jump ship back to the classic formula, I’m really enjoying slipping and sliding around. Gonna see how my blunt slides change with them. Maybe I won’t have to wax as much or at all
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SupremePizza on August 08, 2023, 08:23:56 AM
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Taking the plunge and got myself a set of 55mm Classics F4, biggest I've ever ridden were 54mm, been on 52 - 53mm mostly. I'm hoping the narrow profile will compensate to make the wheel feel less clunky.
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Loved 55 classics. Especially when they wear down some

56mm classics worn down feels so good and keeps getting better
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on August 08, 2023, 08:44:26 AM
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can somebody confirm to me that the classic 99 formula slides better than f4 101s? tried an old pair of mines today and was slipping everywhere. powerslides were effortless to the point of doing them by accident (i skate f4 101s 99% of the time)

also can you confirm that f4 99s slide better than f4 101s?
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I remember the classic formulas feeling harder by comparison to f4 in general even when the duros are the same so you may be on to something. You'd have to wear away the ridges first on a new classic formula wheel tho.
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Thank you dude, I thought I was going nuts. I think imma jump ship back to the classic formula, I’m really enjoying slipping and sliding around. Gonna see how my blunt slides change with them. Maybe I won’t have to wax as much or at all
They also flatspot way faster too but good luck. I do wonder if they've improved at all. They still release them regularly so they must be loved by some people.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 08, 2023, 06:50:46 PM
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can somebody confirm to me that the classic 99 formula slides better than f4 101s? tried an old pair of mines today and was slipping everywhere. powerslides were effortless to the point of doing them by accident (i skate f4 101s 99% of the time)

also can you confirm that f4 99s slide better than f4 101s?
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I remember the classic formulas feeling harder by comparison to f4 in general even when the duros are the same so you may be on to something. You'd have to wear away the ridges first on a new classic formula wheel tho.
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Thank you dude, I thought I was going nuts. I think imma jump ship back to the classic formula, I’m really enjoying slipping and sliding around. Gonna see how my blunt slides change with them. Maybe I won’t have to wax as much or at all
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They also flatspot way faster too but good luck. I do wonder if they've improved at all. They still release them regularly so they must be loved by some people.


The original or classic formula were great once they had aged some, whereas the brand new fresh ones felt softer, flatspotted way more easily and seemed to wear down way faster as well, from the team riders and others who always got new sets each month.  I ended up with a lot of mix and match wheels from those guys back in the old days, some flatspotted, others worn down to 50 mm on one wheel and still 54 or 56 mm on others in the same sets.

On my travels round AU, I would often buy the old yellowed looking ones that were either old stock or on clearance that others didn't like the look of but they skated way better than the newer bright white looking ones, from my own experience.


That seems similar to your experience too, older classic formula being really good wheels, so just a word of caution with getting a brand new set and thinking they will perform the same, although there are still lots of people who swear by the classic formula and prefer the colour and the performance to Formula Four or any other wheel on the market.

Any which way, I feel like Formula Four perform the same from day one til they are done in the 99 duro - they just skate so well on (almost) everything for me, whereas the 101s were a little here and there, some being super slippery, others being very grippy and just had different properties between what would have been two of the same formula wheels.

That's why I go more with the Formula Four 99 duro, but everyone has their preferences.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: switchfakie on August 08, 2023, 08:51:12 PM
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can somebody confirm to me that the classic 99 formula slides better than f4 101s? tried an old pair of mines today and was slipping everywhere. powerslides were effortless to the point of doing them by accident (i skate f4 101s 99% of the time)

also can you confirm that f4 99s slide better than f4 101s?
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I remember the classic formulas feeling harder by comparison to f4 in general even when the duros are the same so you may be on to something. You'd have to wear away the ridges first on a new classic formula wheel tho.
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Thank you dude, I thought I was going nuts. I think imma jump ship back to the classic formula, I’m really enjoying slipping and sliding around. Gonna see how my blunt slides change with them. Maybe I won’t have to wax as much or at all
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They also flatspot way faster too but good luck. I do wonder if they've improved at all. They still release them regularly so they must be loved by some people.
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The original or classic formula were great once they had aged some, whereas the brand new fresh ones felt softer, flatspotted way more easily and seemed to wear down way faster as well, from the team riders and others who always got new sets each month.  I ended up with a lot of mix and match wheels from those guys back in the old days, some flatspotted, others worn down to 50 mm on one wheel and still 54 or 56 mm on others in the same sets.

On my travels round AU, I would often buy the old yellowed looking ones that were either old stock or on clearance that others didn't like the look of but they skated way better than the newer bright white looking ones, from my own experience.


That seems similar to your experience too, older classic formula being really good wheels, so just a word of caution with getting a brand new set and thinking they will perform the same, although there are still lots of people who swear by the classic formula and prefer the colour and the performance to Formula Four or any other wheel on the market.

Any which way, I feel like Formula Four perform the same from day one til they are done in the 99 duro - they just skate so well on (almost) everything for me, whereas the 101s were a little here and there, some being super slippery, others being very grippy and just had different properties between what would have been two of the same formula wheels.

That's why I go more with the Formula Four 99 duro, but everyone has their preferences.

i swear every time i interact with you randomly on slap, i learn some new & extremely useful shit

im gonna go ahead and buy a pair and put them on my windowsill for a year or two as an experiment (the ones i skated were 3 years old)

thank you for this my g, i appreciate you a lot
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on August 13, 2023, 09:48:02 AM
I've been on two sets of newer batches of F4 lately, 54mm radials then just got some 58mm classics, both 99a. They feel grippier than I remember, I swear other sets I've bought in recent years in the same duro were still like ice with a lot of slipouts. I must say, these 58mm classic shapes are bad ass, I plan on skating them all the way til indoor park season.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 13, 2023, 12:55:29 PM
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can somebody confirm to me that the classic 99 formula slides better than f4 101s? tried an old pair of mines today and was slipping everywhere. powerslides were effortless to the point of doing them by accident (i skate f4 101s 99% of the time)

also can you confirm that f4 99s slide better than f4 101s?
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I remember the classic formulas feeling harder by comparison to f4 in general even when the duros are the same so you may be on to something. You'd have to wear away the ridges first on a new classic formula wheel tho.

They were for sure harder, they chirped sooo loud; F1s were my fav wheel back then.

Does anyone skate that .sml wheel that's supposed to be like old spits? What about those Acid wheels. I miss that hard slidey wheel sometimes (flatspots be damned).

I find most hard wheels these days so grippy...even the 101s, Elites, spits, snots, STFs are soft feeling, even 103s...Ricta 101s are probably the hardest/least grippy feeling wheel I've tried (they just wear down super fast).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 13, 2023, 03:08:10 PM
I have had some friends skate the Acid formulas and they've all ended up back on F4. Not sure they necessarily wanted harder wheels but tried the 101 and found them really good, but not great in any respect and really loud. I guess if you want the loudness then they're the pick otherwise even local shops can't move them and they're "from here"
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on August 13, 2023, 08:53:04 PM
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can somebody confirm to me that the classic 99 formula slides better than f4 101s? tried an old pair of mines today and was slipping everywhere. powerslides were effortless to the point of doing them by accident (i skate f4 101s 99% of the time)

also can you confirm that f4 99s slide better than f4 101s?
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I remember the classic formulas feeling harder by comparison to f4 in general even when the duros are the same so you may be on to something. You'd have to wear away the ridges first on a new classic formula wheel tho.
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Does anyone skate that .sml wheel that's supposed to be like old spits? What about those Acid wheels. I miss that hard slidey wheel sometimes (flatspots be damned).

I've ridden the AG (Austyn Gillette, 99a) formula and the OG (101a). AG feel closer to Classic formula, great all purpose wheel for street.

Currently on the OG 52mm formula and they are really hard and street needs a couple more pushes, better as a park wheel. Really slick on the right ledge and managed to get some healthy slides at my usual spot. Rode mine for 3 weeks and I still got threads on them, if that means anything.

I'd stick to the AG formula if you're dealing with some crust, OG if you're skating smooth parks.

Rode Acid wheels that I got on discount, painfully hard and I gave up on them after 2 sessions.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on August 13, 2023, 10:00:39 PM
I've been on two sets of newer batches of F4 lately, 54mm radials then just got some 58mm classics, both 99a. They feel grippier than I remember, I swear other sets I've bought in recent years in the same duro were still like ice with a lot of slipouts. I must say, these 58mm classic shapes are bad ass, I plan on skating them all the way til indoor park season.

 https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg4028135#msg4028135 (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg4028135#msg4028135)

I did a comparison a little while back. I definitely thought they were grippier than the more natural colored ones. The nicest thing is that a few months later the bearings haven’t back out once
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 14, 2023, 08:21:49 PM
I spent the last 4 months on some Conical full 53mm 101a. I swear the 101s are underrated. Granted I've been using them at a smooth asphalt perfectly painted red paint curb spot but they were super nice. I know the trend is toward slightly softer wheels but don't sleep on the 101s, they seem especially fast and durable in a wider profile.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: schralp pal on August 15, 2023, 10:49:41 AM
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can somebody confirm to me that the classic 99 formula slides better than f4 101s? tried an old pair of mines today and was slipping everywhere. powerslides were effortless to the point of doing them by accident (i skate f4 101s 99% of the time)

also can you confirm that f4 99s slide better than f4 101s?
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I remember the classic formulas feeling harder by comparison to f4 in general even when the duros are the same so you may be on to something. You'd have to wear away the ridges first on a new classic formula wheel tho.
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Does anyone skate that .sml wheel that's supposed to be like old spits? What about those Acid wheels. I miss that hard slidey wheel sometimes (flatspots be damned).
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I've ridden the AG (Austyn Gillette, 99a) formula and the OG (101a). AG feel closer to Classic formula, great all purpose wheel for street.

Currently on the OG 52mm formula and they are really hard and street needs a couple more pushes, better as a park wheel. Really slick on the right ledge and managed to get some healthy slides at my usual spot. Rode mine for 3 weeks and I still got threads on them, if that means anything.

I'd stick to the AG formula if you're dealing with some crust, OG if you're skating smooth parks.

Rode Acid wheels that I got on discount, painfully hard and I gave up on them after 2 sessions.

I’m on the AG formula right now and I absolutely love them for park and street. Really versatile, I feel like they are longer lasting than f4s too

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gandito405 on August 22, 2023, 11:45:07 AM
I was wondering which is better for skating transition/bowls. 57 lock in fulls in 99a or the 57 lock ins in 99a. I've been riding 58 conical fulls since started skating, they have a pretty big riding surface compared to regular lock ins. but the lockin fulls are really fucking wide so im not sure about rotating them on my ace 66s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on August 22, 2023, 12:15:01 PM
I was wondering which is better for skating transition/bowls. 57 lock in fulls in 99a or the 57 lock ins in 99a. I've been riding 58 conical fulls since started skating, they have a pretty big riding surface compared to regular lock ins. but the lockin fulls are really fucking wide so im not sure about rotating them on my ace 66s.

I picked up some 57mm Lock in fulls a few weeks ago after skating 56mm conical fulls since spring.

They are really, really wide, quite heavy, and I ended up pulling them off after a couple sessions. They were fine for transition,
but anything to do with getting the board off the ground... I'm just not macho enough for them, too much work. Best powerslide wheel I've ever tried though...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 22, 2023, 04:03:36 PM
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To echo what some others had said about the newer Spitfire Formula Four wheels being a lot lighter in colour, I just got a few sets including some normal Radials and they definitely seem a lighter colour than some of the other Formula Four wheels that I bought last month.

I know they are the newest product so that would explain some of the older wheels looking darker, but overall I would imagine that they will still skate the same and feel the same.  Any which way, I am not about to open a new set just yet and have others to get through first, but the colour difference is interesting to see in person.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on August 22, 2023, 04:22:05 PM
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To echo what some others had said about the newer Spitfire Formula Four wheels being a lot lighter in colour, I just got a few sets including some normal Radials and they definitely seem a lighter colour than some of the other Formula Four wheels that I bought last month.

I know they are the newest product so that would explain some of the older wheels looking darker, but overall I would imagine that they will still skate the same and feel the same.  Any which way, I am not about to open a new set just yet and have others to get through first, but the colour difference is interesting to see in person.

They still potato pretty fast, here's a conical full that's a few months old next to a few week old lock in full. The conical fulls were super white when new.

(https://i.ibb.co/TWHzsVH/20230822-171834.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TWHzsVH)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 22, 2023, 04:38:54 PM
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To echo what some others had said about the newer Spitfire Formula Four wheels being a lot lighter in colour, I just got a few sets including some normal Radials and they definitely seem a lighter colour than some of the other Formula Four wheels that I bought last month.

I know they are the newest product so that would explain some of the older wheels looking darker, but overall I would imagine that they will still skate the same and feel the same.  Any which way, I am not about to open a new set just yet and have others to get through first, but the colour difference is interesting to see in person.
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They still potato pretty fast, here's a conical full that's a few months old next to a few week old lock in full. The conical fulls were super white when new.

(https://i.ibb.co/TWHzsVH/20230822-171834.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TWHzsVH)


Yeah, I love them when they get to that look and age.  They just hold up so much better too, but that could just be in my head.

I often go back to some of my older completes and they just feel so good, everything nicely worn in without being worn out, dead, etc.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Samsquantch on August 22, 2023, 04:42:35 PM
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To echo what some others had said about the newer Spitfire Formula Four wheels being a lot lighter in colour, I just got a few sets including some normal Radials and they definitely seem a lighter colour than some of the other Formula Four wheels that I bought last month.

I know they are the newest product so that would explain some of the older wheels looking darker, but overall I would imagine that they will still skate the same and feel the same.  Any which way, I am not about to open a new set just yet and have others to get through first, but the colour difference is interesting to see in person.
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They still potato pretty fast, here's a conical full that's a few months old next to a few week old lock in full. The conical fulls were super white when new.

(https://i.ibb.co/TWHzsVH/20230822-171834.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TWHzsVH)
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Yeah, I love them when they get to that look and age.  They just hold up so much better too, but that could just be in my head.

I often go back to some of my older completes and they just feel so good, everything nicely worn in without being worn out, dead, etc.

You know it's funny you mention that, every set of spits I've gotten get a chip or two the first couple times out, but once they have a few sessions on them they seem to become indestructible,  never to chip again...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on August 24, 2023, 08:23:31 AM
See some 58mm Kader Radial Fulls. Think I’ll need risers with my standard Indys?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on August 24, 2023, 08:49:23 AM
i rode 58s on indy forged (53.5mm height) and Ace (53mm height) and it wasnt too bad. i tightened the trucks up a bit and its pretty reliable, never had any bad hangup or anything.

 but i noticed liek 55mm wheel is kinda the sweet spot for those trucks where i dont even have to think about it.

you will be slightly higher up at 55mm height of indy standard, so i think you will be good. i would try it without first.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 24, 2023, 04:12:21 PM
See some 58mm Kader Radial Fulls. Think I’ll need risers with my standard Indys?

i rode 58s on indy forged (53.5mm height) and Ace (53mm height) and it wasnt too bad. i tightened the trucks up a bit and its pretty reliable, never had any bad hangup or anything.

 but i noticed liek 55mm wheel is kinda the sweet spot for those trucks where i dont even have to think about it.

you will be slightly higher up at 55mm height of indy standard, so i think you will be good. i would try it without first.


It comes down to how tight or loose your trucks are.

Tighter trucks can seemingly get away with a lot more, but looser trucks will often have more wheelbite.

That said, it is also down to the individual, as some people with super loose trucks and big wheels don't seem to have any issues, but others with the slightest board touch are on the riser war path, so to speak.


I would say try them as is first, then if you feel like you are having issues, maybe just try a cut up bike tube or 1 mm something just to see if that makes enough difference, because big wheels and 1/8" or 3 mm risers often just feels too tall to be comfortable if you are used to not having risers on smaller wheels.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on August 27, 2023, 03:04:40 PM
I went with the 54mm Kader Radial Fulls. Compared them to the CFs to make sure they were wider. The 59mm ones were insanely large. It seems like Spitfire barely makes this shape in 54mm though. (https://i.ibb.co/W37KTrg/IMG-3561.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W37KTrg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on August 27, 2023, 03:07:32 PM
I went with the 54mm Kader Radial Fulls. Compared them to the CFs to make sure they were wider. The 59mm ones were insanely large. It seems like Spitfire barely makes this shape in 54mm though. (https://i.ibb.co/W37KTrg/IMG-3561.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W37KTrg)

how much wider are they than 54 CFs if you don't mind me asking. not the listed dimensions but if you held both in hand, big difference?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on August 27, 2023, 03:28:12 PM
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I went with the 54mm Kader Radial Fulls. Compared them to the CFs to make sure they were wider. The 59mm ones were insanely large. It seems like Spitfire barely makes this shape in 54mm though. (https://i.ibb.co/W37KTrg/IMG-3561.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W37KTrg)
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how much wider are they than 54 CFs if you don't mind me asking. not the listed dimensions but if you held both in hand, big difference?
(https://i.ibb.co/dpVtGwd/IMG-3562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dpVtGwd)
A little bigger. But I’ll take it 🤤

(https://i.ibb.co/DDjC6kV/IMG-3563.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDjC6kV)
38mm vs 33mm according to my digital caliper.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: iw0 on August 27, 2023, 03:45:39 PM
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I went with the 54mm Kader Radial Fulls. Compared them to the CFs to make sure they were wider. The 59mm ones were insanely large. It seems like Spitfire barely makes this shape in 54mm though. (https://i.ibb.co/W37KTrg/IMG-3561.jpg) (https://ibb.co/W37KTrg)
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how much wider are they than 54 CFs if you don't mind me asking. not the listed dimensions but if you held both in hand, big difference?
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(https://i.ibb.co/dpVtGwd/IMG-3562.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dpVtGwd)
A little bigger. But I’ll take it 🤤

(https://i.ibb.co/DDjC6kV/IMG-3563.jpg) (https://ibb.co/DDjC6kV)
38mm vs 33mm according to my digital caliper.

rad, thank you
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mamba on August 27, 2023, 05:19:33 PM
just got a set of radials after skating a conical full type shape, its a world of difference. The round edge makes it so much easier and agile.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on August 28, 2023, 12:42:00 AM
just got a set of radials after skating a conical full type shape, its a world of difference. The round edge makes it so much easier and agile.

This. Love the normal Radial shape after clunking away with overly wide wheels for a while. Would buy Radial Slims if I could find them somewhere. Seems like I'm going against the trend these days as I prefer slimmer wheels now. Feels lighter, too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on August 28, 2023, 06:36:38 AM
i feel like fat wheels are best for people who are just skating a lot of different BIG spots all the time doing your go-to's as huge as possible. heavy terrain, always going regular... T Funk, Mason Silva, Jeff Carlyle come to mind. anything with FULL in the name lol.

if you are trying to do new tricks, it requires a lot of tries and you dont want heavy ass wheels for that, get more tries in on a light setup. classic or normal radial all the way. or i guess maybe small tablets if you only skate in straight lines / ledge wizard.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on August 28, 2023, 06:48:33 AM
i feel like fat wheels are best for people who are just skating a lot of different BIG spots all the time doing your go-to's as huge as possible. heavy terrain, always going regular... T Funk, Mason Silva, Jeff Carlyle come to mind. anything with FULL in the name lol.

if you are trying to do new tricks, it requires a lot of tries and you dont want heavy ass wheels for that, get more tries in on a light setup. classic or normal radial all the way. or i guess maybe small tablets if you only skate in straight lines / ledge wizard.
I love tablets. The riding surface is big for their size. Probably my favorite Spitfire shape. I just got the chunky boys cause I’m injured and madness has me wrapped in its cold embrace lol
(https://i.ibb.co/zPXRbYd/IMG-3570.jpg) (https://ibb.co/zPXRbYd)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on August 28, 2023, 07:47:47 AM
I used to only skate tablet shaped for a decent period of time (the bones version, or whatever the closest thing they have to it.). I think it is the ultimate "lock in" wheel for and sort of slide trick. but yes they have the fatter riding surface and typically i was riding these in stupid hard duros like 104a, and only skating at perfect skate plazas. seems like biggest thing spitfire tablet is offered in is 55mm and that is probably quite rare even. If you are gonna ride tablets, gotta go 51 or 52mm!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 30, 2023, 01:27:53 AM
Looks like some new size Classic F4s coming in Spring 2024. 48mm and 66.6mm among others.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: kimchi on August 30, 2023, 05:10:27 PM
Just echoing some thoughts from the Wheels thread:

I've been skating about 2 years and was mostly on PP and Bones wheels (Dragons and X-formulas), with a set of OJs mixed in. Been mostly riding 99A F4 Conical fulls the past couple week or so and am just digging the hell out of them. I can't really articulate it, I just like the way F4 feels. The knock that Bones wheels feel "plastic-y" made sense after trying F4.

In my past few sessions at the skate park and a few neighborhood spots, I'm progressing a fuck ton. I more connected to the board and more confident. Last time something like this happened to me gear-wise, it was switching from cupsoles to vulc... like a hidden handicap suddenly disappeared.

I also seem to like Spitfire shapes better. Just wider contact patches across the board, feels more stable for me.

Anyone curious I picked up a set of those relatively new shiny Sapphires from a local shop:
  • Spitfire Sapphires 56A 90A - I picked these up on a lark after liking the F4s, they're a bust. I was hoping for a non-cruiser shaped wheel could skate more quietly around my house after dark without pissing off my neighbors, but they feel / sound pretty hard because of the 101A core-- noticeably harder than the Bones X97s IMO. Roll speed doesn't seem the best and are stickier than Dragons or X-formula in slides. I don't really get the target audience except maybe those who think colored clear wheels are cool?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on August 30, 2023, 09:02:37 PM
Looks like some new size Classic F4s coming in Spring 2024. 48mm and 66.6mm among others.

What color is the swirl on the 48s? I really dig the Lil’ Smokies I have in that size/shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on August 31, 2023, 12:45:19 AM
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Looks like some new size Classic F4s coming in Spring 2024. 48mm and 66.6mm among others.
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What color is the swirl on the 48s? I really dig the Lil’ Smokies I have in that size/shape.

Looks like its just white but a proper graphic wheel instead of a lil smokie. 43mm, 48mm 52mm and 60mm 62mm and 66.6mm in a series.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on August 31, 2023, 02:20:33 AM
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Bighead Shape getting some love
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on August 31, 2023, 06:39:38 AM
(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/fall23/09-sf-fl23-d1-firebolt.jpg)

Bighead Shape getting some love

Why don't they run a bighead shape in F4?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on August 31, 2023, 07:03:11 AM
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Bighead Shape getting some love
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Why don't they run a bighead shape in F4?

classic wide is basically the same
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on August 31, 2023, 07:21:45 AM
more precisely

Classic full F4 53mm are 33.5 width / 18.5 riding
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kaezan on August 31, 2023, 07:38:58 AM
Has anyone tried the 97D Spitfire F4 wheels?

I have been using the Bones X97, and really like them. Wondering how the Spitfires compare.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on August 31, 2023, 08:05:23 AM
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Bighead Shape getting some love
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Why don't they run a bighead shape in F4?
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classic wide is basically the same

Yeah they don't exactly run the Classic Fulls either...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Murge on August 31, 2023, 08:36:56 AM
I kinda feel like Spitfire is resting on its laurels. Bones came out with new formulas  with more diverse shapes. And spitfires like bro check it out clear wheels and full size wheels on the biggest shapes.


Spitfire step it up! I don’t like the fact right now I prefer x99. I can’t even look myself in the mirror
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 31, 2023, 09:03:10 AM
I kinda feel like Spitfire is resting on its laurels. Bones came out with new formulas  with more diverse shapes. And spitfires like bro check it out clear wheels and full size wheels on the biggest shapes.


Spitfire step it up! I don’t like the fact right now I prefer x99. I can’t even look myself in the mirror

And this forum eats that shit up like it's the last supper. DLX can do no wrong, even by doing nothing.

That said, if it ain't broke...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on August 31, 2023, 09:08:25 AM
I kinda feel like Spitfire is resting on its laurels. Bones came out with new formulas  with more diverse shapes. And spitfires like bro check it out clear wheels and full size wheels on the biggest shapes.


Spitfire step it up! I don’t like the fact right now I prefer x99. I can’t even look myself in the mirror

This. The clear soft wheel thing is just an uninteresting anomaly, and the full shape trend needs to stop.

Yes, the F4 formula is amazing, but maybe its success has made them a tad too comfortable. New innovations such as the Dragons and the X-Formula (both 97 and 99) are milestones to be honest (regardless of this forum), and I have yet to see similarly impressive things coming from the Spitfire camp. I mean, even the OJ Elite formula is kinda up there with F4.

It could be that I'm just tripping here and underestimating the omnipotency of the F4, but one of these days they need to step it up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on August 31, 2023, 09:15:28 AM
Just keep the Radial Slims in 52 / 54 / 56mm in regular rotation and Spitfire would make at least 7 ppl on here really happy.

I'm feeling slightly bigger wheels these days, a 55 / 56mm Radial Slim would be a fun ride.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on August 31, 2023, 09:21:07 AM
Just keep the Radial Slims in 52 / 54 / 56mm in regular rotation and Spitfire would make at least 7 ppl on here really happy.

I'm feeling slightly bigger wheels these days, a 55 / 56mm Radial Slim would be a fun ride.

Seconded. The minute I can find a 55mm Radial Slim somewhere (hopefully someday) I'll stock 'em up like a little squirrel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 31, 2023, 09:36:46 AM
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Just keep the Radial Slims in 52 / 54 / 56mm in regular rotation and Spitfire would make at least 7 ppl on here really happy.

I'm feeling slightly bigger wheels these days, a 55 / 56mm Radial Slim would be a fun ride.
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Seconded. The minute I can find a 55mm Radial Slim somewhere (hopefully someday) I'll stock 'em up like a little squirrel.

Such a weird move not doing some runs or Radial Slims in favor of say...those lock-in or Radial fulls....one is def more niche than the other.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 31, 2023, 11:50:13 AM
The kids are fucking loving the big wide wheels. My locals cannot keep them in stock and the Classics just sit there. Ventures with fat wheels is trending with the younguns. When I was at a shop last week they had just gotten a DLX delivery a few days prior and it was mostly 53 and up OG Classics, Conical Fulls, Radial Fulls, Lock in Fulls and the Radials and Locks sold out in 3 days. They didn't even order anything under 53.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: onkalo on August 31, 2023, 01:27:24 PM
Damn it, I just want some radial slims in 99a 52-54mm… last time i saw some was like 3 or more years ago
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 31, 2023, 01:29:12 PM
Damn it, I just want some radial slims in 99a 52-54mm… last time i saw some was like 3 or more years ago

https://www.depop.com/products/mikelscloset-spitfire-wheels-radial-slims-size/?srsltid=AfmBOorK8nZOkbFK4y7yDrdgaME5QlM0iEq_ANTb5aJsxIpNw1HtivNfQtk


I've given up and moved to BONES X99 52/53mm V1 shape. Closest I'll get. 0 complaints (and better for my needs).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on August 31, 2023, 02:24:14 PM
Isn't the V2 pretty close? My V5 X99 had the same contact patch width as a spitfire Classic that was lightly worn and were slightly narrower in the middle, but the Radial Slim has a 3mm wider contact patch in a given size and is 4mm narrower in the middle than the Classic.

I'm not super sold on the X99 formula for my needs, is there an F4 Bones equivalent?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on August 31, 2023, 02:30:20 PM
Isn't the V2 pretty close? My V5 X99 had the same contact patch width as a spitfire Classic that was lightly worn and were slightly narrower in the middle, but the Radial Slim has a 3mm wider contact patch in a given size and is 4mm narrower in the middle than the Classic.

I'm not super sold on the X99 formula for my needs, is there an F4 Bones equivalent?

Yeah V2 is more like Radial Slims than it is Tablets for sure; sadly they don't make them in x99 yet (or V3s).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on August 31, 2023, 02:38:13 PM
Just keep the Radial Slims in 52 / 54 / 56mm in regular rotation and Spitfire would make at least 7 ppl on here really happy.

I'm feeling slightly bigger wheels these days, a 55 / 56mm Radial Slim would be a fun ride.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wizard Fight on August 31, 2023, 09:47:14 PM
Anybody able to powerslide/speed check on 97s? I can make those puppies yip but not bark, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on August 31, 2023, 10:11:46 PM
The kids are fucking loving the big wide wheels. My locals cannot keep them in stock and the Classics just sit there. Ventures with fat wheels is trending with the younguns. When I was at a shop last week they had just gotten a DLX delivery a few days prior and it was mostly 53 and up OG Classics, Conical Fulls, Radial Fulls, Lock in Fulls and the Radials and Locks sold out in 3 days. They didn't even order anything under 53.
What shop is this? And do they have 54mm? I have been looking for f4 og classics everwhere  (please don't say you mis typed and its just the regular classics)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on August 31, 2023, 10:30:01 PM
Anybody able to powerslide/speed check on 97s? I can make those puppies yip but not bark, if you know what I mean.


On the slippery smooth new concrete skatepark I skate at, they do, but on any normal skatepark or more worn concrete they grip a lot more than the 99s, which is my usual go to for wheels.

I get about the same from them, even though people have said the 97s are a bit slower, but this is my usual go to:

For normal parks = 99 duro wheels

For slippery smooth new parks = 97 duro wheels


I have skated them at other places a bit, but I have different boards, so I put certain boards in the car for the different places I go.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on September 01, 2023, 03:16:54 AM
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The kids are fucking loving the big wide wheels. My locals cannot keep them in stock and the Classics just sit there. Ventures with fat wheels is trending with the younguns. When I was at a shop last week they had just gotten a DLX delivery a few days prior and it was mostly 53 and up OG Classics, Conical Fulls, Radial Fulls, Lock in Fulls and the Radials and Locks sold out in 3 days. They didn't even order anything under 53.
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What shop is this? And do they have 54mm? I have been looking for f4 og classics everwhere  (please don't say you mis typed and its just the regular classics)

og classics distribution/production is on hold. They might come back later in the rotation.
The only option now seems to be old stock
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sila on September 01, 2023, 03:37:44 AM
Has anyone here made the switch from 99 to 97 for regular street skating? Even 99's felt a bit rattly for me today and my streets aren't even super crusty or anything.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on September 01, 2023, 03:43:32 AM
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The kids are fucking loving the big wide wheels. My locals cannot keep them in stock and the Classics just sit there. Ventures with fat wheels is trending with the younguns. When I was at a shop last week they had just gotten a DLX delivery a few days prior and it was mostly 53 and up OG Classics, Conical Fulls, Radial Fulls, Lock in Fulls and the Radials and Locks sold out in 3 days. They didn't even order anything under 53.
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What shop is this? And do they have 54mm? I have been looking for f4 og classics everwhere  (please don't say you mis typed and its just the regular classics)
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og classics distribution/production is on hold. They might come back later in the rotation.
The only option now seems to be old stock

Source?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: scab on September 01, 2023, 04:09:39 AM
Has anyone here made the switch from 99 to 97 for regular street skating? Even 99's felt a bit rattly for me today and my streets aren't even super crusty or anything.

I have, I'm running with 97A 54mm conical fulls on my main setup right now. I can't see myself ever going back to harder wheels, the overall comfort level is just so much higher that I don't mind sacrificing a bit of slideablilty. I was also never as attached to the sound of harder wheels as some other people on here seem to be, so it's not like my overall experience is in any way diminished. Quite the opposite, I have a smoother ride and need to push less. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on September 01, 2023, 04:41:29 AM
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The kids are fucking loving the big wide wheels. My locals cannot keep them in stock and the Classics just sit there. Ventures with fat wheels is trending with the younguns. When I was at a shop last week they had just gotten a DLX delivery a few days prior and it was mostly 53 and up OG Classics, Conical Fulls, Radial Fulls, Lock in Fulls and the Radials and Locks sold out in 3 days. They didn't even order anything under 53.
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What shop is this? And do they have 54mm? I have been looking for f4 og classics everwhere  (please don't say you mis typed and its just the regular classics)
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og classics distribution/production is on hold. They might come back later in the rotation.
The only option now seems to be old stock
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Source?
prebooks / catalogs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: cucktard on September 01, 2023, 05:49:31 AM
Has anyone tried the 97D Spitfire F4 wheels?

I have been using the Bones X97, and really like them. Wondering how the Spitfires compare.

I have one set of each on my two main set-ups, and I personally find the Bones way superior.

The Spit 97s feel basic. Nothing fantastic, just a slightly gummy 97a wheel.

The Bones feel lively and fast
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Wizard Fight on September 01, 2023, 11:09:28 AM
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Has anyone here made the switch from 99 to 97 for regular street skating? Even 99's felt a bit rattly for me today and my streets aren't even super crusty or anything.
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I have, I'm running with 97A 54mm conical fulls on my main setup right now. I can't see myself ever going back to harder wheels, the overall comfort level is just so much higher that I don't mind sacrificing a bit of slideablilty. I was also never as attached to the sound of harder wheels as some other people on here seem to be, so it's not like my overall experience is in any way diminished. Quite the opposite, I have a smoother ride and need to push less. Highly recommended.

I have too, and I've had pretty much the same experience. I live in Nashville and only skate little street spots and the ground is super fucked, besides Legislative Plaza I guess. My best friend even skates like 90as or 85as of some other wheel brand. I might just suck too much to be able to deal with real vibratey, rattley ground while trying my little tricks, but the 2-durometer difference is somehow real beneficial to me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 01, 2023, 01:48:43 PM
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Has anyone here made the switch from 99 to 97 for regular street skating? Even 99's felt a bit rattly for me today and my streets aren't even super crusty or anything.
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I have, I'm running with 97A 54mm conical fulls on my main setup right now. I can't see myself ever going back to harder wheels, the overall comfort level is just so much higher that I don't mind sacrificing a bit of slideablilty. I was also never as attached to the sound of harder wheels as some other people on here seem to be, so it's not like my overall experience is in any way diminished. Quite the opposite, I have a smoother ride and need to push less. Highly recommended.
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I have too, and I've had pretty much the same experience. I live in Nashville and only skate little street spots and the ground is super fucked, besides Legislative Plaza I guess. My best friend even skates like 90as or 85as of some other wheel brand. I might just suck too much to be able to deal with real vibratey, rattley ground while trying my little tricks, but the 2-durometer difference is somehow real beneficial to me.

x99s is what you're after.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ourladyoftheflowers on September 24, 2023, 07:41:07 AM
Just wanted to say I miss the og classic shape. I just went from riding 60s and risers to 55 and no risers. Wanted easier pop while my ankles healing and it’s a godsend. Just sucks the conical/CF are only 54 and 56. Riding tablets now and like em a lot but I like the look of the fuller wheels . My partner had the og classic 55s and they look so sick
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on September 24, 2023, 07:52:28 AM
Just wanted to say I miss the og classic shape. I just went from riding 60s and risers to 55 and no risers. Wanted easier pop while my ankles healing and it’s a godsend. Just sucks the conical/CF are only 54 and 56. Riding tablets now and like em a lot but I like the look of the fuller wheels . My partner had the og classic 55s and they look so sick

Yes, there's something special about the 55mm OG Classics. Currently have them on one of my setups, they've been worn down to 54-ish, but still, just an awesome all-around wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JimmyFive on September 28, 2023, 03:47:38 AM
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Has anyone here made the switch from 99 to 97 for regular street skating? Even 99's felt a bit rattly for me today and my streets aren't even super crusty or anything.
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I have, I'm running with 97A 54mm conical fulls on my main setup right now. I can't see myself ever going back to harder wheels, the overall comfort level is just so much higher that I don't mind sacrificing a bit of slideablilty. I was also never as attached to the sound of harder wheels as some other people on here seem to be, so it's not like my overall experience is in any way diminished. Quite the opposite, I have a smoother ride and need to push less. Highly recommended.
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I have too, and I've had pretty much the same experience. I live in Nashville and only skate little street spots and the ground is super fucked, besides Legislative Plaza I guess. My best friend even skates like 90as or 85as of some other wheel brand. I might just suck too much to be able to deal with real vibratey, rattley ground while trying my little tricks, but the 2-durometer difference is somehow real beneficial to me.
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x99s is what you're after.

Yes these are amazing wheels! Really versatile and fast as f*ck. They are almost as good as X97 on not so great terrain and in the park they also keep speed pretty much as well as F4 101.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on September 28, 2023, 04:10:32 AM
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Has anyone here made the switch from 99 to 97 for regular street skating? Even 99's felt a bit rattly for me today and my streets aren't even super crusty or anything.
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I have, I'm running with 97A 54mm conical fulls on my main setup right now. I can't see myself ever going back to harder wheels, the overall comfort level is just so much higher that I don't mind sacrificing a bit of slideablilty. I was also never as attached to the sound of harder wheels as some other people on here seem to be, so it's not like my overall experience is in any way diminished. Quite the opposite, I have a smoother ride and need to push less. Highly recommended.
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I have too, and I've had pretty much the same experience. I live in Nashville and only skate little street spots and the ground is super fucked, besides Legislative Plaza I guess. My best friend even skates like 90as or 85as of some other wheel brand. I might just suck too much to be able to deal with real vibratey, rattley ground while trying my little tricks, but the 2-durometer difference is somehow real beneficial to me.
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x99s is what you're after.
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Yes these are amazing wheels! Really versatile and fast as f*ck. They are almost as good as X97 on not so great terrain and in the park they also keep speed pretty much as well as F4 101.
So tempted about trying X99 after being on F4 99 for I don't even how long.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on September 28, 2023, 09:50:24 AM
Radial Slims are an aesthetically very nice wheel to look at, really loved them.

I just hope Classic Fulls make a comeback, imo its the only full shape that doesnt feel too....full-y, the rounded edges take some weight off too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on September 28, 2023, 11:33:26 AM
What do we have to do to get Radial Slims back? I'm willing to perform a ceremonial sacrifice if needed.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2023, 12:01:15 PM
Sadly, the 8 of us on these forums that want the wheel, even if we e-mailed or DM'd like men, everyday, we'd never get them ;)

Bones x99 V1 are my go to instead these days as I like a thin(ner wheel) and sadly Spit doesn't offer anything that suits me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TwisT on September 28, 2023, 12:16:49 PM
when did Formula 4s first released? I don't remember when that happened, as I was probably broke and not paying attention to what people with money buy. I feel like Spitfire popularity really ramped up when F4s showed up. I could be mistaken.

If Spitfire made a new formula, would they call it the formula 5? Or would they try to keep to keep the Formula 4 branding? like an F4+ or something?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 28, 2023, 12:31:27 PM
when did Formula 4s first released? I don't remember when that happened, as I was probably broke and not paying attention to what people with money buy. I feel like Spitfire popularity really ramped up when F4s showed up. I could be mistaken.

If Spitfire made a new formula, would they call it the formula 5? Or would they try to keep to keep the Formula 4 branding? like an F4+ or something?

Check the beginning of this thread. I'm not sure why they'd need a new formula. They could obviously try the current soft wheel that slides thing that has everyone excited about Bones again but that might be an addition to not a replacement for F4s... who knows... It will take a lot to get me off F4s at this point.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on September 28, 2023, 12:40:45 PM
Were F4 og classics not selling well? Why aren't they making them again? Were they too similar to conicals? Superficial reasons for really wanting a set but I liked the black ring on the non swirl side of the wheels and I really want them to restock.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TwisT on September 28, 2023, 01:27:08 PM
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when did Formula 4s first released? I don't remember when that happened, as I was probably broke and not paying attention to what people with money buy. I feel like Spitfire popularity really ramped up when F4s showed up. I could be mistaken.

If Spitfire made a new formula, would they call it the formula 5? Or would they try to keep to keep the Formula 4 branding? like an F4+ or something?
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Check the beginning of this thread. I'm not sure why they'd need a new formula. They could obviously try the current soft wheel that slides thing that has everyone excited about Bones again but that might be an addition to not a replacement for F4s... who knows... It will take a lot to get me off F4s at this point.

Thanks. I didn't realize the this thread was from 2013. So I guess were coming up on the 10 year anniversary of f4 dominance
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dr.prestige on September 28, 2023, 01:49:44 PM
when did Formula 4s first released? I don't remember when that happened, as I was probably broke and not paying attention to what people with money buy. I feel like Spitfire popularity really ramped up when F4s showed up. I could be mistaken.

If Spitfire made a new formula, would they call it the formula 5? Or would they try to keep to keep the Formula 4 branding? like an F4+ or something?

People definitely enjoyed Spitfire's Formula 1 wheels back then, and a lot of people were skating the classic formula too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mick on September 28, 2023, 02:03:30 PM
Were F4 og classics not selling well? Why aren't they making them again? Were they too similar to conicals? Superficial reasons for really wanting a set but I liked the black ring on the non swirl side of the wheels and I really want them to restock.
I keep thinking the same thing. Seems like they enjoy giving us something cool, then immediately taking it away.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: shawngreg on September 28, 2023, 02:40:34 PM
^im another OG classic lover.  would love some 54mm f4's
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on September 28, 2023, 03:10:56 PM
Not sure how you’d improve on 99/101 F4s.

People skated og and F1 but STF were the dominating wheel as they were/are tough as hell to flat spot compared to v1s which, we’re kind trash in that regard at that time.

F4s released and they’ve been on top since…bones seemingly admitted defeat and went off to R&D the x / dragon formulas (with great success).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on September 28, 2023, 04:10:39 PM
Were F4 og classics not selling well? Why aren't they making them again? Were they too similar to conicals? Superficial reasons for really wanting a set but I liked the black ring on the non swirl side of the wheels and I really want them to restock.


They might have held off remaking more squared off slim shape wheels, given the current trend of everything being bolldozer sized wheels coming out right now, but who knows.

Even the catalogs and things that had them coming out seem to have not come through, so I am guessing it is the current market, where the Conical and Classic are the main wheels in the not so wide category that they still make all the time and then the other newer shapes with Full in the name being the main ones they have been working on and producing.

Even the normal Radial shape is a good one and might sell better than the OG Classic, with Radial in 53, 54, 55 and 56 mm sizes in production more recently too.  I have some of the 54, 55 and 56 and they just skate so well.


Also funny seeing the first page way back in Feb 2013 when Formula Four ads were first hitting the market.  Pretty happy looking back at everything that has happened since then, given how many sets I have had come through my hands and what I have happily skated for this last decade.

I don't think the formula will change at all, but developing different duro options is a good one.  I wonder what happened to those 95 duro test wheels that Andrew Reynolds posted a while back, or other options that people had talked about.

Whatever the case, I am good with what is under my feet and I can't ask for anything more than that really.







Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on September 28, 2023, 06:34:12 PM
Sadly, the 8 of us on these forums that want the wheel, even if we e-mailed or DM'd like men, everyday, we'd never get them ;)

Bones x99 V1 are my go to instead these days as I like a thin(ner wheel) and sadly Spit doesn't offer anything that suits me.

I wish they retired Tablets, they had their time in the sun but it's time to return to the classics (Radial Slims).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on September 29, 2023, 12:14:04 AM
I don’t know if I had any sway, I probably didn’t. But on every wheel release post Spitfire put up on Instagram.

I basically just said “these are good but where are the radials?” And after some time the Leo baker ones came out and I stock piled

Might take some time but you guys could try
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on September 29, 2023, 12:16:01 AM
^im another OG classic lover.  would love some 54mm f4's
I miss my F4 OG classics, the GT ones 53mm, every single day.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on September 29, 2023, 02:15:23 AM
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Sadly, the 8 of us on these forums that want the wheel, even if we e-mailed or DM'd like men, everyday, we'd never get them ;)

Bones x99 V1 are my go to instead these days as I like a thin(ner wheel) and sadly Spit doesn't offer anything that suits me.
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I wish they retired Tablets, they had their time in the sun but it's time to return to the classics (Radial Slims).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on September 29, 2023, 07:09:10 AM
I don’t know if I had any sway, I probably didn’t. But on every wheel release post Spitfire put up on Instagram.

I basically just said “these are good but where are the radials?” And after some time the Leo baker ones came out and I stock piled

Might take some time but you guys could try

I did that with Radial Slims. They literally sent me the last three sets (all 52mm/101a) they had in the warehouse. Dude who runs their IG said he keeps telling them to make Rad Slims...but we all know where that has gone.

I am actually surprised they haven't re-released the Classic Fulls, with the current monster truck wheel trend.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on September 29, 2023, 07:38:02 AM
Love some Classic fulls again.

Also, why don't they market Lil Smokies more? I see them in online shops priced anywhere from $20 to $49... Those things are little gems for the BPSW curious, if you can get them for the right price. They put some out in a radial shape at some point.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 01, 2023, 04:35:52 PM
Love some Classic fulls again.

Also, why don't they market Lil Smokies more? I see them in online shops priced anywhere from $20 to $49... Those things are little gems for the BPSW curious, if you can get them for the right price. They put some out in a radial shape at some point.


Agreed on the Classic Full shape, although I probably have a lifetimes worth still and have been riding other shapes more commonly on smaller setups, but the sets of 56 and 58 mm Classic Full wheels I have are just so good on bigger boards or setups I used more for big transition or going fast type boards.  I just don't skate much of that any more.  The couple of sets of 54 mm Classic Full wheels are still going nicely on smaller setups I skate on my mini ramp, so I could see that size being a bit more common, but they are not that far off the other Classics, compared to these bigger ones that are way wider overall.

Eg

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24

*  The 54.5 were the Cardiel specials, just in case anyone was confused.



As to the Lil Smokies, I think it comes down to the fact that they are a cheaper pricepoint wheel that is made from rejects, as others had said, which makes sense, so it is not so much a standard line or product that they want to advertise, but something that has come about more from the need to find a use for wheels that might not have made it for whatever reason in the usual sizes and batches.  In doing so, they are still making use of the product, but as there will never be a set size, shape, colour or whatever, it is just down to the random extras that end up on DLX or associated distributors B2B sites and put on completes, or a smaller cheaper option of a Formula Four wheel, for those who want them.

Besides the usual natural colour, some of the more recent ones include various colours including black, pink, pale blue, green swirl and come in Classic, Conical, Conical Full, Radial, Tablet, etc so it is cool they are mixing them up a lot as well, just to make a few more options.

I have a few sets, more just to put on random setups or that came on custom pro completes, but for the tech people who like small wheels, they are really good and keep some guys happy who just can't get small wheels anymore like they used to, so it covers that area of the market too.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: flintstagram on October 01, 2023, 08:56:28 PM
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Were F4 og classics not selling well? Why aren't they making them again? Were they too similar to conicals? Superficial reasons for really wanting a set but I liked the black ring on the non swirl side of the wheels and I really want them to restock.
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I keep thinking the same thing. Seems like they enjoy giving us something cool, then immediately taking it away.

I’m with you as well. Love og classics. I’ve got a set of 55mm still new that I’m going to start skating soon. Looking at it this weekend, closest wheel to the same specs of width and riding surface are the tablets (for the 55mm). Don’t really want to be a tablets guy, but may have to give them a shot for that similar footprint.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: commander jameson on October 03, 2023, 05:08:56 AM
If you like F4 Radial Slims 101 52mm and are located in Europe it seems that Austrian Freedom skate shop has some

https://freedomskateshop.at/collections/skateboard-wheels/products/spitfire-52mm-101a-formula-four-venomous-radial-slims-wheels
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gandito405 on October 09, 2023, 06:55:50 PM
so about two years ago I bought my first real wheels as a beginner, they are full conical 58mm 97a I skated them till they are all 56mm.  later i got some conical full 58 99as  and have been skating them for bout a year. Today i switched the wheels back yo the 97s I get like a 20% boost of speed from drop ins from 6ft, able to carve way higher on transition than the 99s. is there a reason for that? may just be me overthinking the change in duro.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 09, 2023, 08:13:38 PM
Interesting I find the 97As slower in the skatepark.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gandito405 on October 09, 2023, 08:36:06 PM
Interesting I find the 97As slower in the skatepark.
I think I’ll put my 99s on another settup and compare the speed by feel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on October 09, 2023, 08:42:02 PM
so about two years ago I bought my first real wheels as a beginner, they are full conical 58mm 97a I skated them till they are all 56mm.  later i got some conical full 58 99as  and have been skating them for bout a year. Today i switched the wheels back yo the 97s I get like a 20% boost of speed from drop ins from 6ft, able to carve way higher on transition than the 99s. is there a reason for that? may just be me overthinking the change in duro.

What are the current sizes of all those wheels? I have •always• found like-sized wheels to be faster (on smooth park surfaces) in relation to their hardness. However, could see a new 58mm 97a being/feeling faster than an old 101a worn down to a beat-up 55mm.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Gandito405 on October 09, 2023, 08:47:52 PM
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so about two years ago I bought my first real wheels as a beginner, they are full conical 58mm 97a I skated them till they are all 56mm.  later i got some conical full 58 99as  and have been skating them for bout a year. Today i switched the wheels back yo the 97s I get like a 20% boost of speed from drop ins from 6ft, able to carve way higher on transition than the 99s. is there a reason for that? may just be me overthinking the change in duro.
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What are the current sizes of all those wheels? I have •always• found like-sized wheels to be faster (on smooth park surfaces) in relation to their hardness. However, could see a new 58mm 97a being/feeling faster than an old 101a worn down to a beat-up 55mm.
The size of the wheels are 57 mm in the back and 56 in the front. (Measured to make sure they wear evenly) I could in the future but some new 97 spitfire 58s to make it more accurate. One other thing to add is that the park that I skate is a little bit rough so it’s not slick so that could be a factor to think about.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DarkPools on October 10, 2023, 02:17:21 AM
Theoretically, a softer duro (but not too soft) will be faster than a harder duro. Cruiser wheels can usually go much faster than park/street wheels of about the same size. And if they're larger, they'll go even faster - it's what the downhill and cruiser wheels are designed for. Increased speed over longer distance compared to street/park wheels, which grip/slide better at the cost of less speed.

The variables that shake this hypothesis up include quality of the ground (your example), type of bearings, weight of wheel, and shape of wheel (among others not listed).
Some shapes keep speed better than others. Contact patch & aerodynamic (or not) design of A model vs B model can highlight this difference. It's evident in your scenario @Gandito405 with your 97As being faster on the drop in.

Personally, I've always noticed softer wheels are faster on transition than harder wheels. I believe it has to do with the softer duro absorbing surface friction better. As well as the width of the contact patch. They will accelerate & maintain speed from a drop in much better than a harder duro due to reduced friction and better absorb & release of any kinetic energy received that would slow them down.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 10, 2023, 04:35:52 AM
so about two years ago I bought my first real wheels as a beginner, they are full conical 58mm 97a I skated them till they are all 56mm.  later i got some conical full 58 99as  and have been skating them for bout a year. Today i switched the wheels back yo the 97s I get like a 20% boost of speed from drop ins from 6ft, able to carve way higher on transition than the 99s. is there a reason for that? may just be me overthinking the change in duro.


How would you describe the surface of the park - slippery smooth new feeling surface, or well worn and rough like a cheese grater?


Interesting I find the 97As slower in the skatepark.


I definitely feel like the 97 duro wheels I have are slower for most things including slippery smooth new parks I usually ride them at, but on some really rough old skateparks, they tend to not be rattled to death like harder wheels feel, so actually feel faster in the long run on one park in particular, compared to my usual 99 duro equivalent wheels.



Theoretically, a softer duro (but not too soft) will be faster than a harder duro. Cruiser wheels can usually go much faster than park/street wheels of about the same size. And if they're larger, they'll go even faster - it's what the downhill and cruiser wheels are designed for. Increased speed over longer distance compared to street/park wheels, which grip/slide better at the cost of less speed.

The variables that shake this hypothesis up include quality of the ground (your example), type of bearings, weight of wheel, and shape of wheel (among others not listed).
Some shapes keep speed better than others. Contact patch & aerodynamic (or not) design of A model vs B model can highlight this difference. It's evident in your scenario @Gandito405 with your 97As being faster on the drop in.

Personally, I've always noticed softer wheels are faster on transition than harder wheels. I believe it has to do with the softer duro absorbing surface friction better. As well as the width of the contact patch. They will accelerate & maintain speed from a drop in much better than a harder duro due to reduced friction and better absorb & release of any kinetic energy received that would slow them down.


Yeah it is kind of funny with some surfaces, where some wheels will feel like they are faster or slower than others, but the different compounds can also really make a difference in some wheels too.

Not saying I really feel any difference in the Spitfire Formula Four wheels of the same durometer, eg three sets of 97s in different shapes all feel about the same (much the same age), even though they perform differently in other ways - Classic, conical Full and Radial Full - but in some of the other 99s and 101s especially, different ages of those wheels can feel quite different, the older ones really chirpy and some more slippery than others.


I also feel like I can really get a much better pump and carve on softer wheels on slippery type skateparks where I would not push quite as hard on more slippery wheels, so this could also have something to do with it.

Just some thoughts anyway.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fulfillthedream on October 10, 2023, 07:19:35 AM
Been proudly skating F4's for a decade. I've had many sets of classic 99s and once in the 101s. Recently read something on here on how the Powell Dragons would reduce the stress on the knees.

 Got a set of the 97s and hated them at first. Didn't slide as well as the 99s. But after a few sessions they work pretty good and idk if its an actual result but i skated the last two sessions without my knee compression sleeves and noticed i wasn't aching as much as i would.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on October 10, 2023, 07:23:10 AM
Theoretically, a softer duro (but not too soft) will be faster than a harder duro. Cruiser wheels can usually go much faster than park/street wheels of about the same size. And if they're larger, they'll go even faster - it's what the downhill and cruiser wheels are designed for. Increased speed over longer distance compared to street/park wheels, which grip/slide better at the cost of less speed.

The variables that shake this hypothesis up include quality of the ground (your example), type of bearings, weight of wheel, and shape of wheel (among others not listed).
Some shapes keep speed better than others. Contact patch & aerodynamic (or not) design of A model vs B model can highlight this difference. It's evident in your scenario @Gandito405 with your 97As being faster on the drop in.

Personally, I've always noticed softer wheels are faster on transition than harder wheels. I believe it has to do with the softer duro absorbing surface friction better. As well as the width of the contact patch. They will accelerate & maintain speed from a drop in much better than a harder duro due to reduced friction and better absorb & release of any kinetic energy received that would slow them down.

For me it depends on the surface. If the wheels are the same diameter and shape. Softer wheels are faster on a rough surface, slower on a smooth surface, opposite for harder wheels. 99s are way faster for me in Oregon skateparks.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on October 10, 2023, 07:34:58 AM
For me it depends on the surface. If the wheels are the same diameter and shape. Softer wheels are faster on a rough surface, slower on a smooth surface, opposite for harder wheels. 99s are way faster for me in Oregon skateparks.

This is The Way.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dstrytruitt on October 18, 2023, 01:23:58 PM
I also feel like I can really get a much better pump and carve on softer wheels on slippery type skateparks where I would not push quite as hard on more slippery wheels, so this could also have something to do with it.

Just some thoughts anyway.

This is my thinking, as well. I've been using SPFs at newer/slicker parks and F4 99s at older parks but just bought a set of F4 97s to skate a bigger slick park to keep from sliding out and to keep speed at the same time.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 18, 2023, 05:40:52 PM
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I also feel like I can really get a much better pump and carve on softer wheels on slippery type skateparks where I would not push quite as hard on more slippery wheels, so this could also have something to do with it.

Just some thoughts anyway.
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This is my thinking, as well. I've been using SPFs at newer/slicker parks and F4 99s at older parks but just bought a set of F4 97s to skate a bigger slick park to keep from sliding out and to keep speed at the same time.


I know some people don't go over certain sizes of wheels, but the slightly bigger 97 duro wheels feel more normal for me on slippery parks that I just want to go fast around, not get so techy if that makes sense?

The 54 mm Conical Full and 56 mm Classics in the 97s I have on my usual boards are good for me for all rounders on slippery newer parks, with the Radial Full wheels just being the top end of bigger wheels in 56 and 58 mm on "go fast" boards, on which I just do laps on really, but I don't often skate those bigger boards as much / don't often skate the bigger ramps as much either.


The only other thing to note is when I want to do more nose / tail slides I will skate boards with the normal 99 duro F4 wheels, but if I want to have a little more safety, the board with the 97 duro wheels come out and I can enjoy doing other things with not a whole lot of nose / tail slides - more lip tricks and carving around the park.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FGO925 on October 19, 2023, 12:15:12 PM
I have an “old” pair of 58 OG classic F4’s and they seem nearly identical to conical fulls. Maybe it’s just the 58mm size/wider contact patch/side cuts but these look exactly like a conical.

I know for a fact these are OG classics because I still have the original packaging and as far as I know the spiral graphic has only been on “OG” shapes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 19, 2023, 04:38:37 PM
I have an “old” pair of 58 OG classic F4’s and they seem nearly identical to conical fulls. Maybe it’s just the 58mm size/wider contact patch/side cuts but these look exactly like a conical.

I know for a fact these are OG classics because I still have the original packaging and as far as I know the spiral graphic has only been on “OG” shapes.

Conical full 58s are slightly wider than the OG 58s. The OGs are more square, like tablets with side cuts. Conical full has a more angled cut.

I rode the OG 58s for a few years and loved them. I’m on the regular conical 56mm now that they don’t make OGs anymore. They’re pretty similar so it was a pretty easy switch
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 19, 2023, 04:40:25 PM
I have an “old” pair of 58 OG classic F4’s and they seem nearly identical to conical fulls. Maybe it’s just the 58mm size/wider contact patch/side cuts but these look exactly like a conical.

I know for a fact these are OG classics because I still have the original packaging and as far as I know the spiral graphic has only been on “OG” shapes.

Conical full 58s are slightly wider than the OG 58s. The OGs are more square, like tablets with side cuts. Conical full has a more angled cut.

I rode the OG 58s for a few years and loved them. I’m on the regular conical 56mm now that they don’t make OGs anymore. They’re pretty similar so it was a pretty easy switch
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 19, 2023, 04:07:42 PM
I have an “old” pair of 58 OG classic F4’s and they seem nearly identical to conical fulls. Maybe it’s just the 58mm size/wider contact patch/side cuts but these look exactly like a conical.

I know for a fact these are OG classics because I still have the original packaging and as far as I know the spiral graphic has only been on “OG” shapes.


Yes definitely Formula Four OG Classics.

Funny how some people I know keep confusing the Classic (round shape) with the OG Classic (very square but not wide shape) but they both do still have a swirl graphic too, so that might be part of it.  They also make them in original urethane, which is the same shape and swirl graphic, just no smaller black graphic round the inside on the back of the wheel, with the Old English font lettering instead.

They were still the same shape as when they first came out a few years ago too, more narrow than every other similar shaped wheels, which caught me off guard, because I was thinking they were going to be like the OG wheels, in that they were big and wide with a square profile - think Conical Full in a Radial Full width.

By comparison, the 58 mm OG Classics are 58 x 34.8 with a 23.9 riding surface, which would have widened out a bit depending on how worn down they are too, but as they get smaller, they will wear into the shape and have a very sharp edge as they get smaller too.

Other wheels of the same 58 mm size are wider, Conical Full being 37 mm wide, Classic 35.2 mm, then Conical 35.7 mm and Radial (normal ones, not full shape) being 38 mm wide.  Radial Full are 41 mm wide, but I wasn't comparing those at all.


They were supposed to be coming back again, but as the most narrow wheel in the range, I think they might have been dropped in favour of the wider wheels coming out, eg all the Full shapes that are now on the market.

Like the Radial Slims, they might come back one day, but for now, it seems like there will not be any more for the foreseeable future.

 

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on October 19, 2023, 11:43:38 PM
OG Classics narrow? I beg to differ, sir. I feel that they are wide wheels -- as are most wheels in the Spitfire range these days, to be honest, apart from smaller (new) Classics and Radial Slims. After riding slimmer Bones shapes for a while and getting to really like them, even 55mm OG Classics felt really chunky.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on October 20, 2023, 08:45:03 AM
In my experience the closest to the OG Classics (which were my favorite and am sad to see them go) are the regular Conicals. Still wider than your normal classic but not into the really wide terrain.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 20, 2023, 08:48:46 AM
OGs are going? My local just got a bunch in so that's sorta strange. Prefer any rounded shape to Conicals
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on October 20, 2023, 02:06:41 PM
So are Lock-In Fulls just as wide as Radial Fulls? I'm having issues with the ladder, one of them keeps locking up on me (happens across two pairs), but I'd like another wide Spitfire wheel and I see some LIFs for cheap. I don't do any grinds, so don't care about shape, just want some wide boys.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Made In China on October 20, 2023, 02:37:53 PM
This is a stupid question, but does Spitfire make a lot of black or other colored F4s in 54mm or bigger? They seem kind of hard to find. I really like how these Max Palmer ones look but idk if I want to spend $50 on them

https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: timemachine on October 20, 2023, 02:43:00 PM
This is a stupid question, but does Spitfire make a lot of black or other colored F4s in 54mm or bigger? They seem kind of hard to find. I really like how these Max Palmer ones look but idk if I want to spend $50 on them

https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel
there is a new Nicole Hause 56mm Radials in Black
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2023, 03:47:19 PM
OG Classics narrow? I beg to differ, sir. I feel that they are wide wheels -- as are most wheels in the Spitfire range these days, to be honest, apart from smaller (new) Classics and Radial Slims. After riding slimmer Bones shapes for a while and getting to really like them, even 55mm OG Classics felt really chunky.



Ha yeah, compared to all the other shapes and sizes, they are not as wide overall, as per the previous post, with dimensions.

I guess compared to some other brands, or maybe more so just looking at the riding surface, or how square they look, I can easily see how people, others as well in conversations I have had before about them, have said they are not narrow, but in terms of width, they are not a wide wheel.

Going by the 58 mm size before, it was still less than every other Spitfire wheel on the market.

Maybe not when compared to some Bones wheels, but even the V5 is similar width 33 mm, which a lot of people compare to every other wheel.


In the most common size of say 52 mm the OG Classics are only 31.1 mm wide, or the 54 mm size which are 32.3 mm wide.





OGs are going? My local just got a bunch in so that's sorta strange. Prefer any rounded shape to Conicals


Did the OG Classic drop finally happen after all?

The wheels / sizes that were shown a while back were Formula Four 99 duro in 54, 58 and 60 mm, I think.  Most people wanting the 58 or 60 mm sizes in particular.

That will make some people happy then.




Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 20, 2023, 04:02:35 PM
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Anyone not sure of the wheel shapes and sizes, they are all listed online here:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


But this is maybe the best (easiest to read) shape guide that I have seen so I will put this up here as well.


(https://i.ibb.co/N6XBYLj/spitfire-size-chart-2023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N6XBYLj)



(https://i.ibb.co/ccPnTNF/spitfire-size-chart-2023.jpg)



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on October 20, 2023, 05:45:15 PM
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Anyone not sure of the wheel shapes and sizes, they are all listed online here:


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/


But this is maybe the best (easiest to read) shape guide that I have seen so I will put this up here as well.


(https://i.ibb.co/N6XBYLj/spitfire-size-chart-2023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/N6XBYLj)



(https://i.ibb.co/ccPnTNF/spitfire-size-chart-2023.jpg)
Very handy. Thanks!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: bombsaway86 on October 20, 2023, 07:48:22 PM
OGs are going? My local just got a bunch in so that's sorta strange. Prefer any rounded shape to Conicals

They still make OG classics in the regular 99a formula. They haven’t made Formula 4 OG classics for a few years now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on October 21, 2023, 02:12:16 AM
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OGs are going? My local just got a bunch in so that's sorta strange. Prefer any rounded shape to Conicals
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They still make OG classics in the regular 99a formula. They haven’t made Formula 4 OG classics for a few years now

Not true. The current Spitfire website has OG Classics listed under the F4 shapes. No mention of it being of the older formula.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

My local shop has F4 OG Classics on the shelf, so unless they've kept them there since several years ago (not likely), they're still being produced and are definitely F4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: disclosed on October 21, 2023, 03:20:18 AM
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OGs are going? My local just got a bunch in so that's sorta strange. Prefer any rounded shape to Conicals
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They still make OG classics in the regular 99a formula. They haven’t made Formula 4 OG classics for a few years now
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Not true. The current Spitfire website has OG Classics listed under the F4 shapes. No mention of it being of the older formula.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

My local shop has F4 OG Classics on the shelf, so unless they've kept them there since several years ago (not likely), they're still being produced and are definitely F4.

i've seen more normal OG classics than F4 OG classics in shops the last fiew years. but might also be no ones buying the normal spits. why would you.
so dont know which are older, but they definitly exist.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 21, 2023, 04:03:39 PM
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OGs are going? My local just got a bunch in so that's sorta strange. Prefer any rounded shape to Conicals
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They still make OG classics in the regular 99a formula. They haven’t made Formula 4 OG classics for a few years now
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Not true. The current Spitfire website has OG Classics listed under the F4 shapes. No mention of it being of the older formula.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/wheel-shapes/

My local shop has F4 OG Classics on the shelf, so unless they've kept them there since several years ago (not likely), they're still being produced and are definitely F4.
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i've seen more normal OG classics than F4 OG classics in shops the last fiew years. but might also be no ones buying the normal spits. why would you.
so dont know which are older, but they definitly exist.


They still make and distribute a whole lot more wheels than are listed on current websites or catalogs, but the best way to check with anything like that is to jump on DLXSF.COM and message them about it.  Not just any old thing to bug them, but for someone who is looking for something very specific, they usually give you a good reply about current products or if anything is still being made, etc.


There are also still a good number of old stock wheels around too, but sometimes it can be difficult to find them, if you don't know where to look, eg some shops do not put stock online, so those sorts of shops would have a bit more old stock if they don't go through it quickly, as per a few shops I am familar with, who still have OG Classics, Classic Full wheels and some others.  No Radial Slims though - sent the last set of those I bought to Rocklobster a while back.


As far as OG Classics, there are 52, 53 and 54 mm wheels in the original urethane still in plenty of places, but none of the bigger sizes readily available and very few Formula Four in any size.

I am curious to hear what sizes and formulas people have still seen or have arrived in local shops recently too.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on October 28, 2023, 11:25:54 AM
Anybody tried Lock in fulls?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on October 28, 2023, 11:53:48 AM
Anybody tried Lock in fulls?
Love ‘em. I had some RFs and they were bad, but these are something special. I have them in 55m.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on October 28, 2023, 12:02:34 PM
I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on October 28, 2023, 12:35:42 PM
I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on October 28, 2023, 12:43:19 PM
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.

Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on October 28, 2023, 12:48:38 PM
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on October 28, 2023, 12:57:54 PM
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol

Yeah and how statistically significant is this tiny online forum full of gear nerds when it comes to showing that a particular shape definitely has a widespread quality issue across the board?

Radial full is literally one of the best selling f4 shapes right now, I have several friends out here in the bay and elsewhere riding them, see them in the wild all the time. Never heard of any issues. Plus even if you do get unlucky with a real defect, dlx customer service and warranty got you sorted.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 28, 2023, 01:00:19 PM
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol

No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: flintstagram on October 28, 2023, 01:19:38 PM
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.

The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 28, 2023, 04:24:42 PM
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.
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The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.



Is this where we all take a breath and go skate for the afternoon or something?


Anyway, just for basic info, yes some specific wheel shapes (more so than other shapes) seem to have more issues than others.

Some Conical Full wheels were the most common ones to have the bearing seat offset issues, from what I had seen and recall.  That was a problem for sure and one that was not resolved by anything other than return and replacement.

Some Radial Full wheels might also have some of the similar wheel issues, although it is different to the previous issue, but there are people who seem to experience it more than others too (with an assortment of different brands and shapes of wheels), as per the thread with bearing seat movement here.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=125264.0


Of half a dozen Radial Full sets of wheels I have had come through my hands or are on my own boards, none have been defective, but that doesn't mean there aren't others out there that perform differently.

Also to note that softer duro wheels are more prone to bearing seat movement, especially with bigger or heavier people - one guy I know who loved softer wheels had to pretty much only buy cored wheels because of this issue, as the normal no core wheels kept blowing out on him - actually had slightly oval shaped wheels come back from him, which went to warranty once, but the reply was these wheels will not hold up to those conditions, or something like that.

Regardless of weight of the skater, having both the same size wheel in 97 and 99 duro have the same thing happen, this is more likely the mold or the urethane just widening out in the bearing seat after production, maybe in the curing process or whatever the wheels went through, than any user error.

Yes DLX is amazing with customer service, but bottom line is sometimes people miss emails or whatever else, so anyone with issues, keep checking, just in case your first one slipped through the cracks, so to speak.






Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on October 28, 2023, 05:32:54 PM
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.
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The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.

Ya he stared his weight is 245- that's over the limit for many types of bicycles even or to the point where you are limited to specific materials. There's no limit but you can't tell me that a deck, trucks, and wheels will behave the same.

In college I started gaining weight for powerlifting and at around 210-215 I had to effectively quit because I'd bend axles, break decks, snap kingpins, and generally fuck up gear fast. Quality is better than 2006, but boards are still pieces of plywood and urethane is still a compressible, pliable material.

A normal skater is 145-165 so do the math- it's highly likely that maybe a bearing seat that holds fine for normal skaters might slip for someone larger as they exert more force.

The fact that it happened in 2 wheels from 2 places is merely coincidence since it one of the most popular shapes at the moment and we aren't hearing about it more.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: flintstagram on October 28, 2023, 09:34:54 PM
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.
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The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.
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Ya he stared his weight is 245- that's over the limit for many types of bicycles even or to the point where you are limited to specific materials. There's no limit but you can't tell me that a deck, trucks, and wheels will behave the same.

In college I started gaining weight for powerlifting and at around 210-215 I had to effectively quit because I'd bend axles, break decks, snap kingpins, and generally fuck up gear fast. Quality is better than 2006, but boards are still pieces of plywood and urethane is still a compressible, pliable material.

A normal skater is 145-165 so do the math- it's highly likely that maybe a bearing seat that holds fine for normal skaters might slip for someone larger as they exert more force.

The fact that it happened in 2 wheels from 2 places is merely coincidence since it one of the most popular shapes at the moment and we aren't hearing about it more.

That’s bullshit though.

“So do the math,” first of all, fuck you. I’m 270 lbs, that shit has never happened to a wheel I’ve skated. I’ve never bent an axle. I have certainly broken boards from improper landings, but that’s it. To try and say a 99 or 97 duro wheel is not able to withstand his cruising weight is ridiculous. Sometimes wheels are just defective. It is insanely bad luck that he got two shit sets in a row though. It is also worth mentioning that there are plenty of skateboarders of all sizes, and Mr. OhioGuy is not on the extreme end of that range.

He said he doesn’t really do much other than cruise and no comply tricks, he isn’t jumping down shit, and the forces he is putting on the wheels, while constant, are less forceful than impacts that your definition of a “normal skater” puts on equipment when they jump down anything higher than a foot off the ground. He’s using equipment made to take a hell of a lot more abuse than he’s putting it through. Quite honestly, if a part of his wheel was going to fail due to his weight, the most likely culprit would be a thin plastic bearing cage rather than a wheel, since they’re so fragile, but we’re not talking about bearing issues.

Perhaps, he’s right, and there are quality issues with a recently released shape, as it is not uncommon for first production runs of things to have a larger amount of defects than an established shape. You and all of your excellent cycling knowledge that you’re trying to extrapolate to skateboard products should surely know that. He’s not upset his $10k carbon road bike can’t handle the stresses, it’s his urethane wheel made to jump down stairs sets.

Also, where exactly did you come up with what a “normal skater” weighs? What exactly is a “normal skater”? Where is your research? As I assume if you were to try and quantify what “normal” is, you would surely have cited studies to back that up. I would throw you a bone and say perhaps you mean “average”, as normal is a setting on the dryer, but even then I would argue that your deemed weight is not in fact average, unless of course you have the resources to back that up.

Fucking get real, and perhaps you sir, should do the fucking math.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on October 28, 2023, 10:56:58 PM
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I thought the lock in fulls were fine, smooth ride and do lock in. But the square edges on such a wide wheel made it feel a bit clunky for flip tricks and getting a little tech. Not a dealbreaker by any means but if I was gonna ride a wheel that wide I'd definitely prefer the more rounded edges on the radial full to make things feel just a tad more manageable.
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I had two pairs of RFs back-to-back. Both had oversized bearing seats.
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Sounds like a you problem, haven't heard of anybody else having this issue.

Even if it was more widespread, thats more due to an unlucky batch coming from the factory and not really relevant to the pros/cons of the actual wheel shape.
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That's cute, a me problem. There were multiple folks talking about it in the wheel thread. So clearly you're not paying attention. Which is fine really.

I was just saying, the fact that I got two different sets, from different places, in different duros, it shows that RFs have a quality issue. The pros/cons of the shape don't matter if they're defective lol
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No there wasn't there were a few of us mentioning other Spitfire issues we had at times and how good their warranty is. You have to remember that you're at the upper weight limit of most skate gear which will exacerbate any potential flaws.
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The upper weight limit? Skateboarding has a weight limit? When did this start? We got new skate rules? The skate police are here, everyone! Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?

And how is an oversized bearing seat, likely noticed before ever so much as rolling on the defective wheel, a weight issue? I’m real lost on this one.

I had an issue a few years back with a spitfire wheel that the bearings were offset in and they couldn’t even go on my axle as a result, was that because I had a chicken sandwich at lunch today?

LebowskisRug, I’ve always thought you’ve done a pretty good job at tying the room together, but everything’s feeling a little disconnected at the moment.
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Ya he stared his weight is 245- that's over the limit for many types of bicycles even or to the point where you are limited to specific materials. There's no limit but you can't tell me that a deck, trucks, and wheels will behave the same.

In college I started gaining weight for powerlifting and at around 210-215 I had to effectively quit because I'd bend axles, break decks, snap kingpins, and generally fuck up gear fast. Quality is better than 2006, but boards are still pieces of plywood and urethane is still a compressible, pliable material.

A normal skater is 145-165 so do the math- it's highly likely that maybe a bearing seat that holds fine for normal skaters might slip for someone larger as they exert more force.

The fact that it happened in 2 wheels from 2 places is merely coincidence since it one of the most popular shapes at the moment and we aren't hearing about it more.
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That’s bullshit though.

“So do the math,” first of all, fuck you. I’m 270 lbs, that shit has never happened to a wheel I’ve skated. I’ve never bent an axle. I have certainly broken boards from improper landings, but that’s it. To try and say a 99 or 97 duro wheel is not able to withstand his cruising weight is ridiculous. Sometimes wheels are just defective. It is insanely bad luck that he got two shit sets in a row though. It is also worth mentioning that there are plenty of skateboarders of all sizes, and Mr. OhioGuy is not on the extreme end of that range.

He said he doesn’t really do much other than cruise and no comply tricks, he isn’t jumping down shit, and the forces he is putting on the wheels, while constant, are less forceful than impacts that your definition of a “normal skater” puts on equipment when they jump down anything higher than a foot off the ground. He’s using equipment made to take a hell of a lot more abuse than he’s putting it through. Quite honestly, if a part of his wheel was going to fail due to his weight, the most likely culprit would be a thin plastic bearing cage rather than a wheel, since they’re so fragile, but we’re not talking about bearing issues.

Perhaps, he’s right, and there are quality issues with a recently released shape, as it is not uncommon for first production runs of things to have a larger amount of defects than an established shape. You and all of your excellent cycling knowledge that you’re trying to extrapolate to skateboard products should surely know that. He’s not upset his $10k carbon road bike can’t handle the stresses, it’s his urethane wheel made to jump down stairs sets.

Also, where exactly did you come up with what a “normal skater” weighs? What exactly is a “normal skater”? Where is your research? As I assume if you were to try and quantify what “normal” is, you would surely have cited studies to back that up. I would throw you a bone and say perhaps you mean “average”, as normal is a setting on the dryer, but even then I would argue that your deemed weight is not in fact average, unless of course you have the resources to back that up.

Fucking get real, and perhaps you sir, should do the fucking math.
The "normal skater" thing was pretty wack.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DakotaRed on October 29, 2023, 04:48:52 AM
"Skateboarding is fun. A skateboard wheel not working properly, for whatever reason, is a good problem to have." - Samuel Clemens
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ourladyoftheflowers on October 29, 2023, 07:52:48 AM
For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on October 29, 2023, 08:04:21 AM
For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?

No need for risers with 56mm wheels, really. Just tighten the trucks adequately.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on October 29, 2023, 08:08:44 AM
No need for risers with 56mm wheels, really. Just tighten the trucks adequately.

Depends on what (height) trucks you have, and how much you like to, well, turn.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: flintstagram on October 29, 2023, 08:31:37 AM
Were F4 og classics not selling well? Why aren't they making them again? Were they too similar to conicals? Superficial reasons for really wanting a set but I liked the black ring on the non swirl side of the wheels and I really want them to restock.

They’re back for this newest drop! Fall 2023 - Drop 2, has them on the list. We’re back, baby!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on October 29, 2023, 09:01:35 AM
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Depends on what (height) trucks you have, and how much you like to, well, turn.

The trucks in question are Indys in this particular convo.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: disclosed on October 29, 2023, 09:02:22 AM
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No need for risers with 56mm wheels, really. Just tighten the trucks adequately.
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Depends on what (height) trucks you have, and how much you like to, well, turn.

also on how wide your setup is as wider trucks bite quicker. aswell as the shape of the wheel (OG classics biting faster than Classics)

that said, if @Ourladyoftheflowers doesnt have an issue with 55mm, then 56 shoulnt be a noticeable difference. thats only half a milimeter closer to the board, but the wider shape probably takes into play aswell.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on October 29, 2023, 03:43:08 PM
For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?


conical full 55's are out there. usually reserved for signature drops, AVE's were the last ones i remember.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on October 29, 2023, 08:05:53 PM
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For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?
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conical full 55's are out there. usually reserved for signature drops, AVE's were the last ones i remember.


Yes, funny that they usually go to pro wheels for quite a few like the 55 mm Conical Full wheels, more so than bringing them out as is in the standard graphic - too many different shapes and sizes maybe?!?

I still have some Andrew Allen wheels in the 55 mm but the Max Palmer Spiked wheel was 53 and 55 mm in Conical Full and still some around here (AU), but might have sold out most other places.

Quite a few people ride 56mm Conical Full wheels with standard Indy trucks, but as others have said it really depends on the individual, even with the same product, possibly same truck tightness, some people would be all over the place and others solid with that combination.

I have similar setups, although I personally find the 56mm Conical Full a bit too wide and squared off for my liking, but any shape of 55 or 56 mm wheels on standard Indy trucks in general are a fairly normal combination.



(https://shstore.eu/pol_pl_Kola-Spitfire-Formula-Four-Palmer-Spiked-Conical-Full-99DU-53-55-mm-12474_7.jpg)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on October 29, 2023, 11:33:07 PM
Spitfire is making too many wheels right now, imho. And not enough of the right ones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on October 29, 2023, 11:44:57 PM
Spitfire is making too many wheels right now, imho. And not enough of the right ones.

This 100 %. They need to stop the wide/full madness and introduce something like the Bones V1 and V5 shapes.

I mean, Bones does good with five shapes across the board.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 30, 2023, 12:19:38 AM
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Spitfire is making too many wheels right now, imho. And not enough of the right ones.
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This 100 %. They need to stop the wide/full madness and introduce something like the Bones V1 and V5 shapes.

I mean, Bones does good with five shapes across the board.

6 shapes, they could go back down to 5 by dropping the V2 tablet shape
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on October 30, 2023, 08:19:05 AM
i think those super wide wheels is how people are doing such long smith grinds on ledges. Noah Mathieu on Limosine looks like he is riding radial full for that half cab smith around the C Ledge. I hope they stay in production! But make sure they keep making small classics too!

I can basically just live off classic and conical full though. they could drop to just those 2 shapes and I feel like we wouldn't really be missing out on much.

Tablet is pretty niche at this point
they hardly make radials or conicals (regular)
radial full is cool, but not crazy different from conical full either. I feel like those only started coming around again more recently as well... the Kader wheel is first one i remember from the last few years?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on October 30, 2023, 08:34:49 AM
IMHO, they could cover pretty much everything with these (and this is still even a lot):

Classic / Classic Full

Radial Slim / Radial (these should be renamed Radial and Radial Full)

Conical / Conical Full

80HD / Sapphires

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on October 30, 2023, 08:37:03 AM
i think those super wide wheels is how people are doing such long smith grinds on ledges.

My guess? Wax.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on October 30, 2023, 08:43:02 AM
Agree on needing to bring back the Radial Slim. One of their best shapes ever.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on October 30, 2023, 08:46:19 AM
wait so there is Radial AND Radial slim? I thought those were the same thing. and then Radial Full was the fat one. So there are 3 different choices for radial (historically)?  :o
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on October 30, 2023, 08:58:29 AM
wait so there is Radial AND Radial slim? I thought those were the same thing. and then Radial Full was the fat one. So there are 3 different choices for radial (historically)?  :o

Radial Slim
Radial
Radial Full

Please come back Radial Slim...

Shops doing $42-45 for F4s now? Crazy like...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on October 30, 2023, 09:50:47 AM
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wait so there is Radial AND Radial slim? I thought those were the same thing. and then Radial Full was the fat one. So there are 3 different choices for radial (historically)?  :o
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Radial Slim
Radial
Radial Full

Please come back Radial Slim...

Shops doing $42-45 for F4s now? Crazy like...

^ Yup. There have been THREE version of Radials. Next time you get a set of Spits, look at the tech specs on the back of the cardboard insert (wonder when they are going to update that!??), and you'll see the specs for Radial Slims and Radials. ...but not Radial Fulls. Radial Slims have not really been produced since before Covid.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on November 01, 2023, 08:50:44 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzG-KAuxYFS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 01, 2023, 01:55:24 PM
Agree on needing to bring back the Radial Slim. One of their best shapes ever.

The 8 of us on this forum agree (and cobra cole) but clearly they didn't sell well enough in shops (for re-orders) and the pros didn't care?

Now we're stuck with the shit tablets instead of the radial slims (or classic slims for that matter).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on November 01, 2023, 02:00:40 PM
but who the hell swears by tablets
really tho
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 01, 2023, 02:17:11 PM
I will be forever thankful for Radial Slim 101s for opening up backside power slides for me. But now I can do them, I probably wouldn't use them again. I like Classics, Radials and then an OG classics if I want a squarer wheel. Would love to see some Classic wides again but you can achieve that shape by wearing down some classics.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 01, 2023, 02:35:43 PM
but who the hell swears by tablets
really tho
At least here in Prague tablets are kinda popular.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 01, 2023, 08:51:25 PM
Finally swapped back to F4 from the X99. They were the best of the x series, but they still grab on whatever square coping the parks by me use. I can hold a good noseslide on the same ledge but when it's pinching it slows or grabs and I don't see a need to apply even more wax/be that dude.

Overall I'd compare the 53 X99 V5 to 52 F4 classics in terms of speed on smooth ground, definitely don't slide as well, but still enough, and honestly just felt less fun to ride. They're faster on Asphalt, but I think a 53 classic or radial will be close enough for what I'm usually skating.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on November 02, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
If any of your USA based locals has gets the f4 og classics in and sells online please let me know (after you get your set of course). My local says it won't restock spits for awhile so my conscience is clear.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 02, 2023, 08:47:33 PM
If any of your USA based locals has gets the f4 og classics in and sells online please let me know (after you get your set of course). My local says it won't restock spits for awhile so my conscience is clear.


I am guessing if they just put up a post about them, then there should be a ton of them out everywhere soon enough, but as per the higher price and maybe some shops already having too much stock, some places might not be ordering them specifically and holding off for the next main order.  Who knows really, but I think there will be plenty available pretty soon.

Interesting if they do have all sizes, as per that post.  The catalog info was more just for 54, 58 and 60 mm from a while back, but there might have been so much interest, they had to do all sizes - 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 58 and 60 showing there.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 03, 2023, 04:08:21 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzKqAeJMoJT/?img_index=1

looks like Jason Lee riding the Spitfire OG Classics here with them turned inside out. it makes them look a lot like what our Conical Fulls look like now. you can see on the inner wall though with the graphic it looks more tucked in.
they look SICK AF in photos i have to say
especially with those green AWAKEs ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 03, 2023, 06:24:35 AM
Finally swapped back to F4 from the X99.

so i guess no point to get them then for me. like faster on asphalt is the only advantage, not really huge selling point for me when I am more fixated on them sliding a certain way during my noseslides.

my friend and I were skating this really shitty old parking lot runway(asphalt - medium rockiness, pretty old), he had dragons, and I had worn down 54mm 99a conical fulls, and honestly felt like my board was just as fast it was just a little more loud and vibratey but it was totally fine still. had no problem getting speed and didnt feel like i was getting rattled out of my ollie position at all.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 03, 2023, 03:30:04 PM
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For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?
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No need for risers with 56mm wheels, really. Just tighten the trucks adequately.

. i get away with a 60 all day at factory tight venture highs but a thin shock pad dont hurt since i go for cut bushings. i get minimal wheel bite still.

same with ace classic. thunder is a different story. im sub 55 with thunder unless risers.

indy 139s i ran 56 connie full no risers. its what i came back to street skating on.

its just best with venture in my opinion. with the indy soft white replacement bushings and a 3 ply riser i can stand full weight and bounce on the rail im not getting wheel bite with 58mm dragons.

im like 155-160.

im about to order wheels soon tho. probably a complete. 6.1s 57-60mm spits 99a. i kinda wanna get a ps stix or the bbs but im thinking does powell make a 9" flight deck. i wanna try one really badly.

i just looked up up

Id go color burst in 8.75 or 9
The Flight wheel base is on those boards 15". Id have to drill it back to like a quarter inch prob. Im only 5'7" Tre flips would be fucking insanely hot and heavy on a 15" wb with 60mm wheels and 6.1s
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 03, 2023, 04:43:39 PM
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For the record I’m 145 and have had similar issues with the radial fulls. The sets I’ve had did have bearing seat issues. Warranty was great but eventually had them send me classic f4. I’m on tablets now but missing a wider wheel.

Recently went from 60mm, ventures and risers to Indy’s, 55mm and no risers. I like the somewhat lower setup but miss the bigger wheel for crust. I ride stock loose (no adjustment). Want to get conical fulls but I wish they made them in 55. Anyone ride 56 CF with Indys and no riser? Is the wheelbite gonna be too much?
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No need for risers with 56mm wheels, really. Just tighten the trucks adequately.
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. i get away with a 60 all day at factory tight venture highs but a thin shock pad dont hurt since i go for cut bushings. i get minimal wheel bite still.

same with ace classic. thunder is a different story. im sub 55 with thunder unless risers.

indy 139s i ran 56 connie full no risers. its what i came back to street skating on.

its just best with venture in my opinion. with the indy soft white replacement bushings and a 3 ply riser i can stand full weight and bounce on the rail im not getting wheel bite with 58mm dragons.

im like 155-160.

im about to order wheels soon tho. probably a complete. 6.1s 57-60mm spits 99a. i kinda wanna get a ps stix or the bbs but im thinking does powell make a 9" flight deck. i wanna try one really badly.

i just looked up up

Id go color burst in 8.75 or 9
The Flight wheel base is on those boards 15". Id have to drill it back to like a quarter inch prob. Im only 5'7" Tre flips would be fucking insanely hot and heavy on a 15" wb with 60mm wheels and 6.1s

i used to skate an asymmetrical composite board with 169s and 56 conical fulls and it would tre flip. almost 33” in length and 14.75 wb. that damn board probably
tre flipped better than whatever i’m riding now. there’s some weird ass leverage angle etc etc i dunno. all i’m trying to say is i could see some razor’d up flight deck spinning around like a throwing star as you fling tre after tre. big wheels sometimes super help. more momentum.
usually not for me tho. i can’t do it. i wish i could crack the big wheel code. currently i hate big wheels. 52s are cool
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: flintstagram on November 03, 2023, 05:18:06 PM
Finally swapped back to F4 from the X99. They were the best of the x series, but they still grab on whatever square coping the parks by me use. I can hold a good noseslide on the same ledge but when it's pinching it slows or grabs and I don't see a need to apply even more wax/be that dude.

Overall I'd compare the 53 X99 V5 to 52 F4 classics in terms of speed on smooth ground, definitely don't slide as well, but still enough, and honestly just felt less fun to ride. They're faster on Asphalt, but I think a 53 classic or radial will be close enough for what I'm usually skating.

You’re probably too heavy for them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on November 03, 2023, 06:01:22 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzKqAeJMoJT/?img_index=1

looks like Jason Lee riding the Spitfire OG Classics here with them turned inside out. it makes them look a lot like what our Conical Fulls look like now. you can see on the inner wall though with the graphic it looks more tucked in.
they look SICK AF in photos i have to say
especially with those green AWAKEs ;D


look like Dogtown K-9's too me, they were very popular around this time. they were kinda of a lockin, before lockins were a thing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on November 03, 2023, 08:32:07 PM
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If any of your USA based locals has gets the f4 og classics in and sells online please let me know (after you get your set of course). My local says it won't restock spits for awhile so my conscience is clear.
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I am guessing if they just put up a post about them, then there should be a ton of them out everywhere soon enough, but as per the higher price and maybe some shops already having too much stock, some places might not be ordering them specifically and holding off for the next main order.  Who knows really, but I think there will be plenty available pretty soon.

Interesting if they do have all sizes, as per that post.  The catalog info was more just for 54, 58 and 60 mm from a while back, but there might have been so much interest, they had to do all sizes - 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 58 and 60 showing there.
I just grabbed some from marriage skateshop's site if anyone needs an f4 og classic
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on November 03, 2023, 08:58:11 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CzKqAeJMoJT/?img_index=1

looks like Jason Lee riding the Spitfire OG Classics here with them turned inside out. it makes them look a lot like what our Conical Fulls look like now. you can see on the inner wall though with the graphic it looks more tucked in.
they look SICK AF in photos i have to say
especially with those green AWAKEs ;D
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look like Dogtown K-9's too me, they were very popular around this time. they were kinda of a lockin, before lockins were a thing.


also could've been WI Gizmos. i wasn't cool enough back then to have either of those wheels but my friend was in full head 2 toe Jason Lee cosplay back then and he would see those guys around Orange County, i remember him riding a lot of Jason Lee boards with K9's back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/kIqT9oO.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: beandemon on November 05, 2023, 09:17:03 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CzKqAeJMoJT/?img_index=1

looks like Jason Lee riding the Spitfire OG Classics here with them turned inside out. it makes them look a lot like what our Conical Fulls look like now. you can see on the inner wall though with the graphic it looks more tucked in.
they look SICK AF in photos i have to say
especially with those green AWAKEs ;D
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look like Dogtown K-9's too me, they were very popular around this time. they were kinda of a lockin, before lockins were a thing.
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also could've been WI Gizmos. i wasn't cool enough back then to have either of those wheels but my friend was in full head 2 toe Jason Lee cosplay back then and he would see those guys around Orange County, i remember him riding a lot of Jason Lee boards with K9's back then.

(https://i.imgur.com/kIqT9oO.jpg)

Ayuh.
 I’d guess either k-9 or maybe world wheels. I don’t remember any asymmetrical spitfires bitd. I remember early spits being OG classic/conical shaped.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 07, 2023, 10:25:28 AM
interesting... so pros riding a World Industries wheel back then must mean they were actually decent too? I just figured Jason would be riding the wheels he got so it never occurred to me he would have been riding a Dogtown wheel (or was he sponsored by them?)

 By the time i started skating (1998), Deck Company Wheels were basically seen as illegal / garbage (took me a few years to clue in i think...)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 07, 2023, 03:18:45 PM
interesting... so pros riding a World Industries wheel back then must mean they were actually decent too? I just figured Jason would be riding the wheels he got so it never occurred to me he would have been riding a Dogtown wheel (or was he sponsored by them?)

 By the time i started skating (1998), Deck Company Wheels were basically seen as illegal / garbage (took me a few years to clue in i think...)


It has definitely changed.

Most wheels from non specific wheel brands (like deck brands) are all pricepoint wheels anyway, very few from what would be more the higher end of the scale, but there were still a few here and there in recent years that were more than that, eg those Quasi special wheels come to mind.

Back in the day, there were not as many options for wheels, with no one doing bulk cheap wheels the way they have now, so I think whatever wheels were out were still a decent quality, especially from those brands like World Industries, which were seen as the best back then, not sold out cheap rubbish the way they are now with the budget completes.

Got a set of World wheels from the mid 90s on a barely used board and they hold up really well, for the session I had on them just to see what they were like.  Sort of a Classic Full shape in 56 mm so actually what I would be more interested to ride.

They are still no Spitfire Formula Four, so I guess now I am very spoilt for choice and don't need to ride anything else, even though I have wheels from quite a few brands on different boards that don't really get skated much.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on November 08, 2023, 10:31:15 AM
Did anyone grab a screenshot of the orange scifi f4s dropping this week?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 08, 2023, 01:08:16 PM
Did anyone grab a screenshot of the orange scifi f4s dropping this week?

please continue. i have a soft spot for orange spitfire. what shape, size?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on November 08, 2023, 01:22:58 PM
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Did anyone grab a screenshot of the orange scifi f4s dropping this week?
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please continue. i have a soft spot for orange spitfire. what shape, size?

Watch them be tablets again =(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: eviltgirl on November 08, 2023, 05:50:55 PM
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Did anyone grab a screenshot of the orange scifi f4s dropping this week?
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please continue. i have a soft spot for orange spitfire. what shape, size?

54, looked conical or cf. Dropping friday
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on November 08, 2023, 11:44:50 PM
In a lovely parallel universe where mountains drop sweet wine there is a BF drop of various sizes of the Radial Slim.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 09, 2023, 07:13:40 AM
Did anyone grab a screenshot of the orange scifi f4s dropping this week?

(https://i.imgur.com/S3qEhS2.jpg)

no side profile ;(

that font is what the inside of classics normally looks like but that doesnt mean anything. the person i stole the image from told me they are conical fulls.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on November 09, 2023, 07:26:17 AM
Sci Fi also had a story image of a white classic version of the wheels. Sorry I didn't grab a screenshot.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on November 09, 2023, 07:53:51 AM
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Did anyone grab a screenshot of the orange scifi f4s dropping this week?
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that font is what the inside of classics normally looks like but that doesnt mean anything. the person i stole the image from told me they are conical fulls.

these have the conical shape for sure (can't say if these are regular conicals or full though)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: MC3 on November 09, 2023, 09:17:55 AM
Well, they caught me when I don't have a ton of money but I'm a man of my word

maybe only a few sets tho.

IF anyone from spitfire is reading this, If you sold an all orange F4 Conical Full in any size between 54-58, I'll buy about 10 sets of them
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 09, 2023, 09:41:47 AM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CzKqAeJMoJT/?img_index=1

looks like Jason Lee riding the Spitfire OG Classics here with them turned inside out. it makes them look a lot like what our Conical Fulls look like now. you can see on the inner wall though with the graphic it looks more tucked in.
they look SICK AF in photos i have to say
especially with those green AWAKEs ;D
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Aren't these Indys? Or maybe Trackers? They definitely don't have the Venture truss.
look like Dogtown K-9's too me, they were very popular around this time. they were kinda of a lockin, before lockins were a thing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on November 09, 2023, 04:32:27 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CzKqAeJMoJT/?img_index=1

looks like Jason Lee riding the Spitfire OG Classics here with them turned inside out. it makes them look a lot like what our Conical Fulls look like now. you can see on the inner wall though with the graphic it looks more tucked in.
they look SICK AF in photos i have to say
especially with those green AWAKEs ;D


Aren't these Indys? Or maybe Trackers? They definitely don't have the Venture truss.

yeah, indy's with a venture tshirt. also if this was shot in 1990 (looks 85-89)? those are Gizmo for sure. was looking back and Gizmos went back before WI, they were around in SMA's days.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 09, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CzKqAeJMoJT/?img_index=1

looks like Jason Lee riding the Spitfire OG Classics here with them turned inside out. it makes them look a lot like what our Conical Fulls look like now. you can see on the inner wall though with the graphic it looks more tucked in.
they look SICK AF in photos i have to say
especially with those green AWAKEs ;D
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Aren't these Indys? Or maybe Trackers? They definitely don't have the Venture truss.
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yeah, indy's with a venture tshirt

those are ventures. well i’m pretty sure. i don’t remember them being green, but they didn’t have the easily identifiable hanger that we all know and love and recognize as the coolest, right from the jump.
my buddy had ventures on his jim t super hero board, and they looked like the ones j.lee is on here, minus the green
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 09, 2023, 04:40:55 PM
About to purchase  some Lock in fulls. Tell me why I should not.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BL0B on November 09, 2023, 04:44:03 PM
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CzKqAeJMoJT/?img_index=1

looks like Jason Lee riding the Spitfire OG Classics here with them turned inside out. it makes them look a lot like what our Conical Fulls look like now. you can see on the inner wall though with the graphic it looks more tucked in.
they look SICK AF in photos i have to say
especially with those green AWAKEs ;D
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Aren't these Indys? Or maybe Trackers? They definitely don't have the Venture truss.
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yeah, indy's with a venture tshirt
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those are ventures. well i’m pretty sure. i don’t remember them being green, but they didn’t have the easily identifiable hanger that we all know and love and recognize as the coolest, right from the jump.
my buddy had ventures on his jim t super hero board, and they looked like the ones j.lee is on here, minus the green


look at his pics, indy stage 5's? he rode a bunch of these ano green indy's in ads. i didn't see any ventures from around this time. mark would've been the one on flip flopping between venture & indy irrcc. the venture from that time would been the small v, no wings?

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZSugoXo1TtQ/XV4ZkxtudFI/AAAAAAAAh1o/vovtFUsFHPIrETOK7BjaTbk7RlCM1v8nACLcBGAs/s1600/jleetailchrome.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C1LEgqPQ9Z0/XV29zT3HLCI/AAAAAAAAhvQ/ywKPTi73TVUHO5rOIXIeZcV5YTOyLcVoACLcBGAs/s1600/leebacktailchrome.jpg


also, because it's a spitfire thread i've hijacked, sorry. here's what i think are JL on some tablets from around 89-1990.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GgdIPFsOhRo/XVzLb-ko0eI/AAAAAAAAhus/VYg1iCJhiac1r4Kun-QvahSkIvpXjA0hACLcBGAs/s1600/leebacklipchrome.jpg
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on November 09, 2023, 04:48:21 PM
About to purchase  some Lock in fulls. Tell me why I should not.

Because that some turboclown shit right there, that's what that is.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 09, 2023, 04:57:26 PM
Haha.  ;D I understand you're not a fan of wide/ full wheels, Sedition. You might be right. I landed my first 360 flip post injury (April) on some worn down classic 55s today... why mess with a good thing...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 09, 2023, 07:04:19 PM
Haha.  ;D I understand you're not a fan of wide/ full wheels, Sedition. You might be right. I landed my first 360 flip post injury (April) on some worn down classic 55s today... why mess with a good thing...


i went out skating 56 radial fulls and they felt really fun. some of the best regular and switch kickflips i’ve had in a little bit.
360 flips felt terrible.

rolling around was awesome. loved skating down the road not worrying about it this and that


they look not good
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: scab on November 10, 2023, 12:08:00 AM
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About to purchase  some Lock in fulls. Tell me why I should not.
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Because that some turboclown shit right there, that's what that is.

I wholeheartedly agree with about 99,6% of the stuff you post on here, but your take on bigger contact patches always infuriates me to no end (i.e., marginally disappoints me).

I recently got a set of lock-in fulls because I wanted a 99A equivalent to the 97A radial fulls I've been riding, and I enjoyed them very much in the half hour or so I skated them – before a huge chunk of urethane got sliced off for no apparent reason. I wouldn't hold that against the shape though, it was just bad luck and DLX took care of me like the total studs they are.

I love the stability and smoothness of big contact patches and the weight isn't an issue for me at all. Quite the opposite, my 360 flips are more consistent with big wheels.

The only whacky thing about the lock-ins is the asymmetrical shape, though it's not as pronounced on the fulls as it is on the regular ones. They look like humongous conical fulls from the outside and a bit like tablets from the inside.

If you like big wheels, you'll like these too. If you don't, you won't.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on November 10, 2023, 05:46:51 AM

I wholeheartedly agree with about 99,6% of the stuff you post on here, but your take on bigger contact patches always infuriates me to no end (i.e., marginally disappoints me).

LOL. Thanks, I think. :) No question, baboon-sized contact patches unquestionably provide a smoother ride. Giant pants are easier to move in, too. Tiny wheels are lighter and give you a lower center of gravity, too. Hey 1993, how you doing? There is a lot of logic in some of the absurdities skateboarding has embraced. To me, it seems like we might be in one of "those periods" right now. History may prove me wrong, too.

Skateboarding is a subjective experience. As such, no one owes anyone any kind of justification or explanation about what kind of equipment they use, how they skate, why they skate, what they skate, what they wear/don’t wear while skating, or why they do any of those things. Anyone who dogmatically says what skateboarding is, or is not, is only seeking to justify their own insecurities or manufactured standards. Big-ass wheels are not for me. They are, however, making lots of people happy, and that's great. I certainly throw in over-the-top rhetoric about big wheels, but just because it's fun, and mostly all tongue-in-cheek. Ultimately, it's like arguing over the best flavor of ice cream (don't even get me started on what a social atrocity mint chocolate is). Whatever floats your boat is awesome, and I'm certainly no one to enforce dogma on anyone else. Nothing I say on SLAP in regards to gear should ever be taken too seriously.

That said, Spitfire makes too many wheels right now. And they should really bring back Radial Slims. :) 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 10, 2023, 05:55:07 AM
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I wholeheartedly agree with about 99,6% of the stuff you post on here, but your take on bigger contact patches always infuriates me to no end (i.e., marginally disappoints me).
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LOL. Thanks, I think. :) No question, baboon-sized contact patches unquestionably provide a smoother ride. Giant pants are easier to move in, too. Tiny wheels are lighter and give you a lower center of gravity, too. Hey 1993, how you doing? There is a lot of logic in some of the absurdities skateboarding has embraced. To me, it seems like we might be in one of "those periods" right now. History may prove me wrong, too.

Skateboarding is a subjective experience. As such, no one owes anyone any kind of justification or explanation about what kind of equipment they use, how they skate, why they skate, what they skate, what they wear/don’t wear while skating, or why they do any of those things. Anyone who dogmatically says what skateboarding is, or is not, is only seeking to justify their own insecurities or manufactured standards. Big-ass wheels are not for me. They are, however, making lots of people happy, and that's great. I certainly throw in over-the-top rhetoric about big wheels, but just because it's fun, and mostly all tongue-in-cheek. Ultimately, it's like arguing over the best flavor of ice cream (don't even get me started on what a social atrocity mint chocolate is). Whatever floats your boat is awesome, and I'm certainly no one to enforce dogma on anyone else.

That said, Spitfire makes too many wheels right now. And they should really bring back Radial Slims. :)

this is well written

it is fun to make these declarations (boards over 32” aren’t regular skateboards**) and talk trash about it. i love watching say the puleo bobshirt, and he’s just dismissing boards that are being handed to him ‘oh i’d never ride this i could never’, because they are slightly too large.

mint chocolate chip is a travesty. it’s gross.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on November 10, 2023, 06:00:17 AM

mint chocolate chip is a travesty. it’s gross.

I can't believe Spitfire hasn't made a Conica X-Tra Full with a Mint Chocolate scent yet. Winter Drop 1, I bet it's in there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on November 10, 2023, 06:24:39 AM
i also despise mint chocolate chip

york patties are a fucking abomination
vomit inducing

white chocolate tree bark is really good when i find it
dont really understand how that works
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on November 10, 2023, 06:33:49 AM

Spitfire makes too many wheels right now. And they should really bring back Radial Slims.

And mint chocolate is just an ugly misstep in the dietary evolution of homo sapiens.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on November 10, 2023, 06:44:38 AM
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Spitfire makes too many wheels right now. And they should really bring back Radial Slims.
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And mint chocolate is just an ugly misstep in the dietary evolution of homo sapiens.

Seriously. It’s like someone actually thought, “I’ve got this really great Cadbury chocolate bar, but you know what would make it taste better? A nice AquaFreah frosting on top. Yum!” These people should be exiled.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: scab on November 10, 2023, 07:08:24 AM
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I wholeheartedly agree with about 99,6% of the stuff you post on here, but your take on bigger contact patches always infuriates me to no end (i.e., marginally disappoints me).
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LOL. Thanks, I think. :) No question, baboon-sized contact patches unquestionably provide a smoother ride. Giant pants are easier to move in, too. Tiny wheels are lighter and give you a lower center of gravity, too. Hey 1993, how you doing? There is a lot of logic in some of the absurdities skateboarding has embraced. To me, it seems like we might be in one of "those periods" right now. History may prove me wrong, too.

Skateboarding is a subjective experience. As such, no one owes anyone any kind of justification or explanation about what kind of equipment they use, how they skate, why they skate, what they skate, what they wear/don’t wear while skating, or why they do any of those things. Anyone who dogmatically says what skateboarding is, or is not, is only seeking to justify their own insecurities or manufactured standards. Big-ass wheels are not for me. They are, however, making lots of people happy, and that's great. I certainly throw in over-the-top rhetoric about big wheels, but just because it's fun, and mostly all tongue-in-cheek. Ultimately, it's like arguing over the best flavor of ice cream (don't even get me started on what a social atrocity mint chocolate is). Whatever floats your boat is awesome, and I'm certainly no one to enforce dogma on anyone else.

That said, Spitfire makes too many wheels right now. And they should really bring back Radial Slims. :)
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this is well written

it is fun to make these declarations (boards over 32” aren’t regular skateboards**) and talk trash about it.

Getting overly attached to a specific type of gear and incessantly arguing over minute differences we can barely tell apart in the real world is what shoes & gear is for, isn't it? So fuck all y'all and your slim-ass wheels. Have fun getting pitched by pebbles I wouldn't even notice. I'll be over here... struggling to hang on to my meager bag of flip tricks, secretly wishing I wasn't such a clumsy ogre who lacks the skill to skate slimmer wheels  ;) .

Both lock-in versions are definitely gimmicky wheels, btw. I don't see any real-world benefits with them that other shapes don't already offer. But that also means they're perfectly fine wheels.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Cthulhu! on November 10, 2023, 07:12:46 AM
I am a friend to all ice creams. And I will stand up for mint chocolate chip.
I also like smaller wheels because I am dainty. The big wheel is fun to skate on, less so when you have to crouch and actually pop.
@Uncle Flea did you see the new orange wheels? They're kind of swirly, not a full on orange is it.
(https://i.ibb.co/PN8JQ11/wheels.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on November 10, 2023, 07:31:01 AM
Why does it spell "Fourmula"? Am I missing out on a pun or a joke?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on November 10, 2023, 07:39:58 AM
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Spitfire makes too many wheels right now. And they should really bring back Radial Slims.
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And mint chocolate is just an ugly misstep in the dietary evolution of homo sapiens.
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Seriously. It’s like someone actually thought, “I’ve got this really great Cadbury chocolate bar, but you know what would make it taste better? A nice AquaFreah frosting on top. Yum!” These people should be exiled.
publicly shunned
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 10, 2023, 07:50:49 AM
I am a friend to all ice creams. And I will stand up for mint chocolate chip.
I also like smaller wheels because I am dainty. The big wheel is fun to skate on, less so when you have to crouch and actually pop.
@Uncle Flea did you see the new orange wheels? They're kind of swirly, not a full on orange is it.
(https://i.ibb.co/PN8JQ11/wheels.jpg)


you are fucking gross. i love that you are not a fake tho.





those sci-fi wheels look great. jeeez they do
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 10, 2023, 10:10:32 AM
What shape are those?
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Post by: Fooj on November 10, 2023, 10:45:09 AM
This view makes me 99% sure they’re conical regulars
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on November 10, 2023, 01:26:32 PM
conical fulls according to their site. 54mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on November 10, 2023, 01:55:10 PM

Getting overly attached to a specific type of gear and incessantly arguing over minute differences we can barely tell apart in the real world is what shoes & gear is for, isn't it? So fuck all y'all and your slim-ass wheels. Have fun getting pitched by pebbles I wouldn't even notice. I'll be over here... struggling to hang on to my meager bag of flip tricks, secretly wishing I wasn't such a clumsy ogre who lacks the skill to skate slimmer wheels  ;) .


LOL! When my fillings vibrate out of my teeth, at a crusty DIY, due to my microscopic contact patch, I will promise to let you roll over them with your bulldozer wheels (and not even register that you hit anything).  And then we can have a beer together, and jointly make fun of the dude with the Hook-Ups deck. :)  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Made In China on November 10, 2023, 03:40:18 PM
Just ordered those SciFi formula 4s, stoked to skate spits again
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 10, 2023, 05:08:36 PM
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Getting overly attached to a specific type of gear and incessantly arguing over minute differences we can barely tell apart in the real world is what shoes & gear is for, isn't it? So fuck all y'all and your slim-ass wheels. Have fun getting pitched by pebbles I wouldn't even notice. I'll be over here... struggling to hang on to my meager bag of flip tricks, secretly wishing I wasn't such a clumsy ogre who lacks the skill to skate slimmer wheels  ;) .

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LOL! When my fillings vibrate out of my teeth, at a crusty DIY, due to my microscopic contact patch, I will promise to let you roll over them with your bulldozer wheels (and not even register that you hit anything).  And then we can have a beer together, and jointly make fun of the dude with the Hook-Ups deck. :)  ;D ;D ;D

You two lost me awhile ago. I went to the skate shop and nearly panicked and purchased OG classics. Even the shop dude, was surprised I was getting lock-ins. He as me pigeon-hold a certain way  but I stuck to my guns and got some 55mm 99a Locks in. Not the Fulls but Sedition will still think I suck. I like a wide wheel but holy shite those Fulls are wide....

Anyway, no doubt my OCD will initiate a complete melt down when I can't rotate these asymmetrical buggers but I wanted to try them at least once....
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 10, 2023, 05:14:49 PM
.

In case the Sci Fi instagram story was not saved or seen, here is the pic.

Also the link to their site for wheels, which I realise has all the better pics anyway.

https://scififantasy.co/


Classic natural 52mm wheels

https://scififantasy.co/products/spitfire-time-keeper-wheels-52mm-natural


Conical Full orange swirl 54mm wheels

https://scififantasy.co/products/spitfire-time-keeper-wheels-54mm-orange



(https://i.ibb.co/K9C2WRJ/Spitfire-Sci-Fi-Wheels-2023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2jXvdmT)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 10, 2023, 06:00:30 PM
.

In case the Sci Fi instagram story was not saved or seen, here is the pic.

Also the link to their site for wheels, which I realise has all the better pics anyway.

https://scififantasy.co/


Classic natural 52mm wheels

https://scififantasy.co/products/spitfire-time-keeper-wheels-52mm-natural


Conical Full orange swirl 54mm wheels

https://scififantasy.co/products/spitfire-time-keeper-wheels-54mm-orange



(https://i.ibb.co/K9C2WRJ/Spitfire-Sci-Fi-Wheels-2023.jpg) (https://ibb.co/2jXvdmT)


those wheels look so nice. damn.




if i end up buying dragons it won’t be for the look
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: curb_cut on November 10, 2023, 11:36:10 PM
Apologies if this has been said already, but who else would love a radial full in 101?

although they are hard to come by in 99s for that matter. Glad I was able to get a pair of the kaders in 99 recently.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on November 11, 2023, 12:00:34 AM
And for the record…I might be riding a set of 53mm Radials right now…and kind of liking them. :)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: PeteP on November 11, 2023, 03:41:18 AM
Which wheels would be better for winter (indoor skatepark) - 101a 52mm CFs or 97a 54mm Classics? Now I’m riding 99a 53mm OG Classics non-f4 worn down to about 51mm and apart from some flatspots they feel great. Previously had 99a 53mm F4 Classics and they also felt good worn down. I think that 52mm CFs would give me that OGs worn down feel right from the start, but also kinda worried about the 101a being to slippery. On the other hand 54mm 97a Classics being softer might worn down quicker to that goldi-locks zone, but I don’t want to deal with sticking on grinds because of the softer duro.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: scab on November 11, 2023, 04:44:26 AM
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Getting overly attached to a specific type of gear and incessantly arguing over minute differences we can barely tell apart in the real world is what shoes & gear is for, isn't it? So fuck all y'all and your slim-ass wheels. Have fun getting pitched by pebbles I wouldn't even notice. I'll be over here... struggling to hang on to my meager bag of flip tricks, secretly wishing I wasn't such a clumsy ogre who lacks the skill to skate slimmer wheels  ;) .

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LOL! When my fillings vibrate out of my teeth, at a crusty DIY, due to my microscopic contact patch, I will promise to let you roll over them with your bulldozer wheels (and not even register that you hit anything).  And then we can have a beer together, and jointly make fun of the dude with the Hook-Ups deck. :)  ;D ;D ;D

Now that's something we can all get behind.


Anyway, no doubt my OCD will initiate a complete melt down when I can't rotate these asymmetrical buggers but I wanted to try them at least once....

Good point, I should've mentioned that I ride twin tails, so I personally don't need to worry about rotating wheels. Let us know how you like them, will ya?

And for the record…I might be riding a set of 53mm Radials right now…and kind of liking them. :)

In the words of a great 1980s philosopher:

https://youtu.be/GtDvmV4zr-Q?si=DtiEy2AAIJuSqqpQ

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on November 11, 2023, 06:31:24 AM
Which wheels would be better for winter (indoor skatepark) - 101a 52mm CFs or 97a 54mm Classics? Now I’m riding 99a 53mm OG Classics non-f4 worn down to about 51mm and apart from some flatspots they feel great. Previously had 99a 53mm F4 Classics and they also felt good worn down. I think that 52mm CFs would give me that OGs worn down feel right from the start, but also kinda worried about the 101a being to slippery. On the other hand 54mm 97a Classics being softer might worn down quicker to that goldi-locks zone, but I don’t want to deal with sticking on grinds because of the softer duro.

Indoor parks often get very dusty (e.g. very slippery). If that’s an issue for you, think softer wheel with a big contact patch.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 11, 2023, 09:00:06 AM
While not Spitfires I skated the X99 at a really slippery concrete park and liked the grip. I'd think a 97 anything would be great.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 11, 2023, 09:06:31 AM
I used 58mm CF F4 97s for indoor parks, slippery spots.
They are worn down to about 56 now. Perfect and not too unfamiliar to what I usually ride F4 99s. I also tried OJ Nomad 95a which were also great and actually slid a bit better when I wanted them to.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FGO925 on November 11, 2023, 10:05:16 AM
How is everyone liking the radials?

Thinking of switching from my usual 54 classics/54 conicals to something different.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Musicaldeath107 on November 11, 2023, 10:34:48 AM
How is everyone liking the radials?

Thinking of switching from my usual 54 classics/54 conicals to something different.

Do you like how your classics feel after they've worn down a few mm?
If so that's what a radial feels like.  My favorite Spitfire shape for sure
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on November 11, 2023, 11:41:28 AM
Yeah Radials are my favorite all around wheel from them. Kinda like Classics and Conicals had a baby.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: LebowskisRug on November 11, 2023, 01:21:53 PM
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How is everyone liking the radials?

Thinking of switching from my usual 54 classics/54 conicals to something different.
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Do you like how your classics feel after they've worn down a few mm?
If so that's what a radial feels like.  My favorite Spitfire shape for sure

This 100%. I have had both 52 Radials and worn down 54 classics at the same time. The classics are like 51.5, but same width as the radials almost. They're not precisely the same, but close enough.

Spitfire Classic Fulls, however, are precisely the same when worn. I've got a set of 52s on ice I'm scared to skate because they're the god tier wheel Spitfire never makes anymore.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on November 11, 2023, 01:50:15 PM
How is everyone liking the radials?

Thinking of switching from my usual 54 classics/54 conicals to something different.

I find them heavier, and clunkier than my classics. They look huge on my board. They lock-in a tad better than Classics, and also ride a bit smoother on crusty stuff. They are bit more grippy, too. Everything has its trade-offs and respective +/- aspects. It’s just a matter of determining which factors work best for you. That said, I would certainly encourage you to try them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 11, 2023, 04:40:19 PM
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How is everyone liking the radials?

Thinking of switching from my usual 54 classics/54 conicals to something different.
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I find them heavier, and clunkier than my classics. They look huge on my board. They lock-in a tad better than Classics, and also ride a bit smoother on crusty stuff. They are bit more grippy, too. Everything has its trade-offs and respective +/- aspects. It’s just a matter of determining which factors work best for you. That said, I would certainly encourage you to try them.


I wonder too if it is something to do with having new wheels that makes anything so good right from go?  I know some wheels I have set up, I took off as they were not what I wanted, but any Classic (usually bigger sizes) or Radial (any size) I have put on boards in the last few years have just felt so good and worked really well.

Right now I have a couple of sets of worn down 54mm Radials, a new set of 55mm Radials and a few other 56mm Radials in various states of wear on boards.  The more worn ones have had their edges taken off with a grinder ever so slightly so they still have a nice slightly rounded edge as they did when new.

Comparatively they are almost the same as Classics in overall width, but have a little more material closer to the riding surface, which as you said makes them a bit more clunky, but still get on and off everything easily.

From that I would recommend them to anyone who wants a little bit wider contact area but not a sharp or squared off edge on their wheels.



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How is everyone liking the radials?

Thinking of switching from my usual 54 classics/54 conicals to something different.
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Do you like how your classics feel after they've worn down a few mm?
If so that's what a radial feels like.  My favorite Spitfire shape for sure
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This 100%. I have had both 52 Radials and worn down 54 classics at the same time. The classics are like 51.5, but same width as the radials almost. They're not precisely the same, but close enough.

Spitfire Classic Fulls, however, are precisely the same when worn. I've got a set of 52s on ice I'm scared to skate because they're the god tier wheel Spitfire never makes anymore.


At least Radials seem to still be available in most sizes in current and future drops, so that one looks like it is here to stay.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 12, 2023, 09:27:43 AM
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Did anyone grab a screenshot of the orange scifi f4s dropping this week?
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(https://i.imgur.com/S3qEhS2.jpg)

no side profile ;(

that font is what the inside of classics normally looks like but that doesnt mean anything. the person i stole the image from told me they are conical fulls.

Orange is the best colour. Good for them bringing it back.

T funk did alright with the red. I'd rock red wheels. Back in the day it really was orange white or blue only.

After the french motorscooter gang movie Colours and Dre day dropped Red was now called dead.

We down for monster Kody Scott out here in sin city yah heard! 8 tray gangsters up and Sissy's down.
We out here waiting for the return of Raymond Washington yo.

Cash me ou side for a county jail style razor blade fade.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 12, 2023, 09:29:06 AM
I am a friend to all ice creams. And I will stand up for mint chocolate chip.
I also like smaller wheels because I am dainty. The big wheel is fun to skate on, less so when you have to crouch and actually pop.
@Uncle Flea did you see the new orange wheels? They're kind of swirly, not a full on orange is it.
(https://i.ibb.co/PN8JQ11/wheels.jpg)

Those are definitely on point.

I love
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 12, 2023, 09:32:07 AM
Orange top plys and orange wheels are magical. These are bit too swirly. I'd love an Orange radial or classic full in 54mm to 56mm zone.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 12, 2023, 09:34:29 AM
Also I can no longer abide Vanilla ice cream. I'm so sick of going to the grocery store and there's a whole case full of vanilla bullshit.

All the good stuffs gone.


White people need to let go one the lie.

Brownie batter is Americas favorite ice cream.

Ben and Jerry's need to stop fuckin around with this core shit.

Just fix the fuckin machine. Stop milking that broken ass shit.

We all know it was an error making that duck shit
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mulldrifter on November 12, 2023, 10:03:43 AM
i bought the big red t funk radial full 60mm 97a
i'm dumb i dont know how i will be able to ride such big wheels, but i had to, they look so great
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on November 12, 2023, 10:15:37 AM
Also I can no longer abide Vanilla ice cream. I'm so sick of going to the grocery store and there's a whole case full of vanilla bullshit.

All the good stuffs gone.


White people need to let go one the lie.

Brownie batter is Americas favorite ice cream.

Ben and Jerry's need to stop fuckin around with this core shit.

Just fix the fuckin machine. Stop milking that broken ass shit.

We all know it was an error making that duck shit

What about a good sorbet? So good you don't realize its not ice cream? Cocunut Lemon Saffron sorbet? It makes me feel like I'm not being cheated. Comes at a price though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 12, 2023, 11:06:43 AM
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Also I can no longer abide Vanilla ice cream. I'm so sick of going to the grocery store and there's a whole case full of vanilla bullshit.

All the good stuffs gone.


White people need to let go one the lie.

Brownie batter is Americas favorite ice cream.

Ben and Jerry's need to stop fuckin around with this core shit.

Just fix the fuckin machine. Stop milking that broken ass shit.

We all know it was an error making that duck shit
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What about a good sorbet? So good you don't realize its not ice cream? Cocunut Lemon Saffron sorbet? It makes me feel like I'm not being cheated. Comes at a price though.

I love sherbet. I wanna have a Hook style rainbow sherbet fight rn.

I forget was Carroll in that part?


I do remember Carroll said that Robin Williams smelled bad tho. In interview. I might have that issue around here
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Space Cowboy on November 12, 2023, 11:36:37 AM
i bought the big red t funk radial full 60mm 97a
i'm dumb i dont know how i will be able to ride such big wheels, but i had to, they look so great

I think when you try to skate like T-Funk you really understand the radial fulls, figure you would need a lot of wheel
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FGO925 on November 12, 2023, 11:56:50 AM
Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mulldrifter on November 12, 2023, 12:16:34 PM
no they dont, i have seen at least a kader radial full 58 in 99a
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: curb_cut on November 12, 2023, 10:04:48 PM
Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?

also a pair of 99s just dropped. curren caples model 56mm

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/curren-caples-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/burn-squad-99d
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 13, 2023, 03:12:36 AM
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Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?
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also a pair of 99s just dropped. curren caples model 56mm

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/curren-caples-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/burn-squad-99d



The Kader Radial Full wheel first came out in 57 and 60mm in 99 duro a while back, Loud Clouds being the wheel name, then the more recent ones being the Puffs.


It seems like we still have lots of the Kader Puffs 54, 56 and 59 mm size 99 duro Radial Full wheels in Australia, along with the 54, 56 and 58mm 97 duro Radial Full wheels, so there are a few options there, along with the new Curren wheels as mentioned 56mm 99 duro.

Not sure if they are still all readily available elsewhere, but worth looking if you want any of those sizes.


Prior to that, the Eternals came in 56 and 58mm, 99 duro Radial Full wheels from Spring 2022 which were quite popular and didn't have anyones name on them that some people didn't want to ride.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2022/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on November 14, 2023, 12:21:59 AM
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Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?
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also a pair of 99s just dropped. curren caples model 56mm

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/curren-caples-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/burn-squad-99d
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The Kader Radial Full wheel first came out in 57 and 60mm in 99 duro a while back, Loud Clouds being the wheel name, then the more recent ones being the Puffs.


It seems like we still have lots of the Kader Puffs 54, 56 and 59 mm size 99 duro Radial Full wheels in Australia, along with the 54, 56 and 58mm 97 duro Radial Full wheels, so there are a few options there, along with the new Curren wheels as mentioned 56mm 99 duro.

Not sure if they are still all readily available elsewhere, but worth looking if you want any of those sizes.


Prior to that, the Eternals came in 56 and 58mm, 99 duro Radial Full wheels from Spring 2022 which were quite popular and didn't have anyones name on them that some people didn't want to ride.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2022/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)

I picked these up way back when in 56. I've probably put them on 10 different setup combinations since, still trying to figure out how to enjoy them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 14, 2023, 03:57:42 AM
after riding most of the different shapes now, Curious what are your favorite SHAPES?

S Tier: Conical Full - imo the perfect wheel. widest without being too wide. has a nice radius to it as well.
A Tier: Classic, OG Classic, Radial, Conical - all great wheels and very close to perfect for me. In some situations better than the conical fulls - they are just my favorite all around.
B Tier: Radial Slim + Radial Full - overly skinny and overly wide for me!
C Tier: Tablets, dont like the minimal tilt anymore. I liked it when I was a plaza skater.
D Tier: Lock ins, cant stand asymmetrical wheels. do any pros actually ride these?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 14, 2023, 05:59:03 AM
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Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?
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also a pair of 99s just dropped. curren caples model 56mm

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/curren-caples-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/burn-squad-99d
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The Kader Radial Full wheel first came out in 57 and 60mm in 99 duro a while back, Loud Clouds being the wheel name, then the more recent ones being the Puffs.


It seems like we still have lots of the Kader Puffs 54, 56 and 59 mm size 99 duro Radial Full wheels in Australia, along with the 54, 56 and 58mm 97 duro Radial Full wheels, so there are a few options there, along with the new Curren wheels as mentioned 56mm 99 duro.

Not sure if they are still all readily available elsewhere, but worth looking if you want any of those sizes.


Prior to that, the Eternals came in 56 and 58mm, 99 duro Radial Full wheels from Spring 2022 which were quite popular and didn't have anyones name on them that some people didn't want to ride.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2022/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)
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I picked these up way back when in 56. I've probably put them on 10 different setup combinations since, still trying to figure out how to enjoy them.

skating mine on venture v-lights, mostly for hills and some very brief flatground on the way to the next hill.

love the extra pop, speed, and the rolling over bad riding surfaces
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on November 14, 2023, 06:30:39 AM
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Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?
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also a pair of 99s just dropped. curren caples model 56mm

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/curren-caples-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/burn-squad-99d
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The Kader Radial Full wheel first came out in 57 and 60mm in 99 duro a while back, Loud Clouds being the wheel name, then the more recent ones being the Puffs.


It seems like we still have lots of the Kader Puffs 54, 56 and 59 mm size 99 duro Radial Full wheels in Australia, along with the 54, 56 and 58mm 97 duro Radial Full wheels, so there are a few options there, along with the new Curren wheels as mentioned 56mm 99 duro.

Not sure if they are still all readily available elsewhere, but worth looking if you want any of those sizes.


Prior to that, the Eternals came in 56 and 58mm, 99 duro Radial Full wheels from Spring 2022 which were quite popular and didn't have anyones name on them that some people didn't want to ride.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2022/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)
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I picked these up way back when in 56. I've probably put them on 10 different setup combinations since, still trying to figure out how to enjoy them.
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skating mine on venture v-lights, mostly for hills and some very brief flatground on the way to the next hill.

love the extra pop, speed, and the rolling over bad riding surfaces

Do  you mean you get more pop with those wheels?  :D I doubt, I have them too and theyre heavy af.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on November 14, 2023, 06:40:28 AM
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Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?
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also a pair of 99s just dropped. curren caples model 56mm

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/curren-caples-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/burn-squad-99d
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The Kader Radial Full wheel first came out in 57 and 60mm in 99 duro a while back, Loud Clouds being the wheel name, then the more recent ones being the Puffs.


It seems like we still have lots of the Kader Puffs 54, 56 and 59 mm size 99 duro Radial Full wheels in Australia, along with the 54, 56 and 58mm 97 duro Radial Full wheels, so there are a few options there, along with the new Curren wheels as mentioned 56mm 99 duro.

Not sure if they are still all readily available elsewhere, but worth looking if you want any of those sizes.


Prior to that, the Eternals came in 56 and 58mm, 99 duro Radial Full wheels from Spring 2022 which were quite popular and didn't have anyones name on them that some people didn't want to ride.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2022/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)
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I picked these up way back when in 56. I've probably put them on 10 different setup combinations since, still trying to figure out how to enjoy them.
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skating mine on venture v-lights, mostly for hills and some very brief flatground on the way to the next hill.

love the extra pop, speed, and the rolling over bad riding surfaces
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Do  you mean you get more pop with those wheels?  :D I doubt, I have them too and theyre heavy af.
i mean you skate big aces
not just the wheels that are heavy there
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on November 14, 2023, 07:29:08 AM
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Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?
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also a pair of 99s just dropped. curren caples model 56mm

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/curren-caples-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/burn-squad-99d
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The Kader Radial Full wheel first came out in 57 and 60mm in 99 duro a while back, Loud Clouds being the wheel name, then the more recent ones being the Puffs.


It seems like we still have lots of the Kader Puffs 54, 56 and 59 mm size 99 duro Radial Full wheels in Australia, along with the 54, 56 and 58mm 97 duro Radial Full wheels, so there are a few options there, along with the new Curren wheels as mentioned 56mm 99 duro.

Not sure if they are still all readily available elsewhere, but worth looking if you want any of those sizes.


Prior to that, the Eternals came in 56 and 58mm, 99 duro Radial Full wheels from Spring 2022 which were quite popular and didn't have anyones name on them that some people didn't want to ride.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2022/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)
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I picked these up way back when in 56. I've probably put them on 10 different setup combinations since, still trying to figure out how to enjoy them.
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skating mine on venture v-lights, mostly for hills and some very brief flatground on the way to the next hill.

love the extra pop, speed, and the rolling over bad riding surfaces
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Do  you mean you get more pop with those wheels?  :D I doubt, I have them too and theyre heavy af.
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i mean you skate big aces
not just the wheels that are heavy there

so you are correct, sorta: some pop is diminished, say a 360 flip. or worse, the 11th 360 flip attempt.
but ollies, increased height, increased leverage, i get more pop for sure.
if weight equals pop for you, then you might want to start going hollow everything. when i do that, the setup becomes light in a way that doesn’t help me.

back on track, the wheels are fun for skating non-spots. and just ‘skating’. in a parking lot me trying to fling flip tricks, i for sure get bummed. i also don’t like how they look.
i don’t like how i look tho, so fuck it.

another thing, these feel like ‘real wheels’. not cruisers. and they are loud and obnoxious. dogs get pissed, people look up, it’s not some ev in a parking lot vibe.
i would say they ‘know a g is coming’, but it sounds like a skateboard. which i prefer.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on November 14, 2023, 09:25:36 AM
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Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?
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also a pair of 99s just dropped. curren caples model 56mm

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/curren-caples-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/burn-squad-99d
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The Kader Radial Full wheel first came out in 57 and 60mm in 99 duro a while back, Loud Clouds being the wheel name, then the more recent ones being the Puffs.


It seems like we still have lots of the Kader Puffs 54, 56 and 59 mm size 99 duro Radial Full wheels in Australia, along with the 54, 56 and 58mm 97 duro Radial Full wheels, so there are a few options there, along with the new Curren wheels as mentioned 56mm 99 duro.

Not sure if they are still all readily available elsewhere, but worth looking if you want any of those sizes.


Prior to that, the Eternals came in 56 and 58mm, 99 duro Radial Full wheels from Spring 2022 which were quite popular and didn't have anyones name on them that some people didn't want to ride.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2022/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)
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I picked these up way back when in 56. I've probably put them on 10 different setup combinations since, still trying to figure out how to enjoy them.
[close]

skating mine on venture v-lights, mostly for hills and some very brief flatground on the way to the next hill.

love the extra pop, speed, and the rolling over bad riding surfaces
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Do  you mean you get more pop with those wheels?  :D I doubt, I have them too and theyre heavy af.
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i mean you skate big aces
not just the wheels that are heavy there
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so you are correct, sorta: some pop is diminished, say a 360 flip. or worse, the 11th 360 flip attempt.
but ollies, increased height, increased leverage, i get more pop for sure.
if weight equals pop for you, then you might want to start going hollow everything. when i do that, the setup becomes light in a way that doesn’t help me.

back on track, the wheels are fun for skating non-spots. and just ‘skating’. in a parking lot me trying to fling flip tricks, i for sure get bummed. i also don’t like how they look.
i don’t like how i look tho, so fuck it.

another thing, these feel like ‘real wheels’. not cruisers. and they are loud and obnoxious. dogs get pissed, people look up, it’s not some ev in a parking lot vibe.
i would say they ‘know a g is coming’, but it sounds like a skateboard. which i prefer.
You should do youtube gear review. That was very entertaining to read. Ben D hung it up so there's an empty throne, king.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 14, 2023, 03:23:44 PM
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i bought the big red t funk radial full 60mm 97a
i'm dumb i dont know how i will be able to ride such big wheels, but i had to, they look so great
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I think when you try to skate like T-Funk you really understand the radial fulls, figure you would need a lot of wheel

I feel like I'd benefit from a wheel like that probably. My daily step up is the downhill to gap the crosswalk downtown.

I do it several times a day when I'm cruising places or doing chores. On my 58mm dragons it super easy. I don't even gotta push.

When I push I can really fuckin sail one.

I'd like to know.

It's a 97a heavy red fatty.

Do they bounce when you throw your board down?

My dragons do. I got be super mindful when first throwing down.

If your timing is off the board can skip like 45 or make your heel hit the bac
Nothing like an early morning pancake to start your day.

I'm pretty sure I found my next wheel tho. I found out spit makes a regular radial in 57.5.

I'm about that. Im down to trade a mil and a half for a lighter model

I wonder if T funk has tried a skinny 58 or better? You'd be surprised the gain in Ollie distance with the lighter thinner big wheel.

All those kid should try it.

Especially Kader. That kids flip tricks are the most proper in the industry at this moment.

My godt. I was dead right about NYC too. Looks incredible. I felt that switch flip primo. That's exactly what happened to me 2/5 trys
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 14, 2023, 03:30:34 PM
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Thanks for the feedback on radials.

Going to grab a pair of 54’s and see how I like em.

Side note, do radial fulls only come in 97a?
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also a pair of 99s just dropped. curren caples model 56mm

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/curren-caples-pro-formula-four-radial-full-skateboard-wheels/burn-squad-99d
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The Kader Radial Full wheel first came out in 57 and 60mm in 99 duro a while back, Loud Clouds being the wheel name, then the more recent ones being the Puffs.


It seems like we still have lots of the Kader Puffs 54, 56 and 59 mm size 99 duro Radial Full wheels in Australia, along with the 54, 56 and 58mm 97 duro Radial Full wheels, so there are a few options there, along with the new Curren wheels as mentioned 56mm 99 duro.

Not sure if they are still all readily available elsewhere, but worth looking if you want any of those sizes.


Prior to that, the Eternals came in 56 and 58mm, 99 duro Radial Full wheels from Spring 2022 which were quite popular and didn't have anyones name on them that some people didn't want to ride.

https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring-2022/


(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring22/sf-sp22-d1-eternals-06.jpg)

That graphic is cool. Usually I'm against unless SC style warpaint but the way it's positioned it looks nice.

I was a buster for not copping 60mm Kader wheels with the weed tray.

I might've saved them even the green writing looked so dope.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on November 14, 2023, 05:35:46 PM
after riding most of the different shapes now, Curious what are your favorite SHAPES?

S Tier: Conical Full - imo the perfect wheel. widest without being too wide. has a nice radius to it as well.
A Tier: Classic, OG Classic, Radial, Conical - all great wheels and very close to perfect for me. In some situations better than the conical fulls - they are just my favorite all around.
B Tier: Radial Slim + Radial Full - overly skinny and overly wide for me!
C Tier: Tablets, dont like the minimal tilt anymore. I liked it when I was a plaza skater.
D Tier: Lock ins, cant stand asymmetrical wheels. do any pros actually ride these?

I think you like CF that much you have to put Radials in the same tier. Similar patch, locks-in good enough and with a tiny bit of rounded edge to help you grind further. For me I’d put the classic full in S as well.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 14, 2023, 06:28:50 PM
My problem with the lock ins is the cool graphic is on the wrong side.

The first two people I saw with them didn't even realize they was running them backwards.

The lucky guy suffers no madness for product at all.

The other was just like I run all my wheels backwards.

I personally run my front right graphic out and rotate counterclockwise every few months.

The condition of that one wheel is how I gage coning too. It's my dominant full weight wheel obviously.

It makes me wonder. Is it the same with all goofy people because switch push side is the back right wheel. I'd would expect a perfect mirror.

My tiers are similar. Tho I consider all shapes in your A to be S and there's literally no shape I wouldn't ride nothing is lower than B tier Lock ins.

I would rather tabs over lock ins
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 14, 2023, 11:16:59 PM
My problem with the lock ins is the cool graphic is on the wrong side.
THIS
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on November 15, 2023, 06:37:54 AM
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My problem with the lock ins is the cool graphic is on the wrong side.
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THIS
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Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: dstrytruitt on November 15, 2023, 06:50:11 AM
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i bought the big red t funk radial full 60mm 97a
i'm dumb i dont know how i will be able to ride such big wheels, but i had to, they look so great
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I think when you try to skate like T-Funk you really understand the radial fulls, figure you would need a lot of wheel
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I feel like I'd benefit from a wheel like that probably. My daily step up is the downhill to gap the crosswalk downtown.

I do it several times a day when I'm cruising places or doing chores. On my 58mm dragons it super easy. I don't even gotta push.

When I push I can really fuckin sail one.

I'd like to know.

It's a 97a heavy red fatty.

Do they bounce when you throw your board down?

My dragons do. I got be super mindful when first throwing down.

If your timing is off the board can skip like 45 or make your heel hit the bac
Nothing like an early morning pancake to start your day.

I'm pretty sure I found my next wheel tho. I found out spit makes a regular radial in 57.5.

I'm about that. Im down to trade a mil and a half for a lighter model

I wonder if T funk has tried a skinny 58 or better? You'd be surprised the gain in Ollie distance with the lighter thinner big wheel.

All those kid should try it.

Especially Kader. That kids flip tricks are the most proper in the industry at this moment.

My godt. I was dead right about NYC too. Looks incredible. I felt that switch flip primo. That's exactly what happened to me 2/5 trys

I have a set of the 60mm red TFunks and run them at tranny parks and absolutely love them. I used to be an SPF guy at big parks but these are better for me. They keep speed and are grippy where I need them to be.
And no, they don't bounce when I throw the board down at all.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 15, 2023, 09:20:24 AM
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i bought the big red t funk radial full 60mm 97a
i'm dumb i dont know how i will be able to ride such big wheels, but i had to, they look so great
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I think when you try to skate like T-Funk you really understand the radial fulls, figure you would need a lot of wheel
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I feel like I'd benefit from a wheel like that probably. My daily step up is the downhill to gap the crosswalk downtown.

I do it several times a day when I'm cruising places or doing chores. On my 58mm dragons it super easy. I don't even gotta push.

When I push I can really fuckin sail one.

I'd like to know.

It's a 97a heavy red fatty.

Do they bounce when you throw your board down?

My dragons do. I got be super mindful when first throwing down.

If your timing is off the board can skip like 45 or make your heel hit the bac
Nothing like an early morning pancake to start your day.

I'm pretty sure I found my next wheel tho. I found out spit makes a regular radial in 57.5.

I'm about that. Im down to trade a mil and a half for a lighter model

I wonder if T funk has tried a skinny 58 or better? You'd be surprised the gain in Ollie distance with the lighter thinner big wheel.

All those kid should try it.

Especially Kader. That kids flip tricks are the most proper in the industry at this moment.

My godt. I was dead right about NYC too. Looks incredible. I felt that switch flip primo. That's exactly what happened to me 2/5 trys
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I have a set of the 60mm red TFunks and run them at tranny parks and absolutely love them. I used to be an SPF guy at big parks but these are better for me. They keep speed and are grippy where I need them to be.
And no, they don't bounce when I throw the board down at all.

Ok I'm sold. I'm going to cop tomorrow.

I gotta back the Funk and Kader. It should be Mando in punk bloarding
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 15, 2023, 10:09:41 AM
could be some black friday sales...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: flintstagram on November 16, 2023, 03:26:06 PM
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after riding most of the different shapes now, Curious what are your favorite SHAPES?

S Tier: Conical Full - imo the perfect wheel. widest without being too wide. has a nice radius to it as well.
A Tier: Classic, OG Classic, Radial, Conical - all great wheels and very close to perfect for me. In some situations better than the conical fulls - they are just my favorite all around.
B Tier: Radial Slim + Radial Full - overly skinny and overly wide for me!
C Tier: Tablets, dont like the minimal tilt anymore. I liked it when I was a plaza skater.
D Tier: Lock ins, cant stand asymmetrical wheels. do any pros actually ride these?
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I think you like CF that much you have to put Radials in the same tier. Similar patch, locks-in good enough and with a tiny bit of rounded edge to help you grind further. For me I’d put the classic full in S as well.

I wholeheartedly disagree. The OG classic is my favorite wheel, followed by conical fulls. Those are almost equal to me. Radials are not my jam. I have had a few pairs of them, and just honestly don’t care for them they aren’t bad, they’re just lower on the list of spitfire shapes for me. Radials are middle of the pack for me. Classics are below those, radial fulls and lock ins are probably bottom of the list if I was forced to rank, but I haven’t actually skated either of them, they just look gross to me.

You gotta be stoked on what you’re looking at.
Look good, feel good, skate good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fooj on November 16, 2023, 11:56:05 PM
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after riding most of the different shapes now, Curious what are your favorite SHAPES?

S Tier: Conical Full - imo the perfect wheel. widest without being too wide. has a nice radius to it as well.
A Tier: Classic, OG Classic, Radial, Conical - all great wheels and very close to perfect for me. In some situations better than the conical fulls - they are just my favorite all around.
B Tier: Radial Slim + Radial Full - overly skinny and overly wide for me!
C Tier: Tablets, dont like the minimal tilt anymore. I liked it when I was a plaza skater.
D Tier: Lock ins, cant stand asymmetrical wheels. do any pros actually ride these?
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I think you like CF that much you have to put Radials in the same tier. Similar patch, locks-in good enough and with a tiny bit of rounded edge to help you grind further. For me I’d put the classic full in S as well.
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I wholeheartedly disagree. The OG classic is my favorite wheel, followed by conical fulls. Those are almost equal to me. Radials are not my jam. I have had a few pairs of them, and just honestly don’t care for them they aren’t bad, they’re just lower on the list of spitfire shapes for me. Radials are middle of the pack for me. Classics are below those, radial fulls and lock ins are probably bottom of the list if I was forced to rank, but I haven’t actually skated either of them, they just look gross to me.

You gotta be stoked on what you’re looking at.
Look good, feel good, skate good.

Yeah i mean, this is probably one of the more subjective things based on what you skate and are used to right. From where you ranked classics and radials im guessing you value the lock in you get with the non-rounded shapes. I like to mostly skate small/mid transition and ledges, so i tend to lean towards a wheel that makes good contact but is also rounded on the side so crooks aren't as sticky.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on November 17, 2023, 10:00:15 AM
yeah there is no right answer on what you like the best!! I just find that for me the skating I like to do, the Conical Full is really sweet spot because it actually has a slightly wider overall width than Radial, Conical, Classic, OG Classic (All of those wheels have roughly the same overall width) but then not as bulky as the radial full (maybe a little TOO big for me)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on November 21, 2023, 11:07:08 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/gTR3HJR/IMG-3917.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gTR3HJR)
Got one as a replacement and one for free from Deluxe. I’m all about the Lock-In Fulls now so not sure when I’ll use them.

Honestly I haven’t been thinking about skateboards lately. My current setup could take me through 2024 (with a deck refresh every few months of course).

Still I wouldn’t have known about the warranty if it wasn’t for this thread 🥹

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 21, 2023, 04:43:06 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/gTR3HJR/IMG-3917.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gTR3HJR)
Got one as a replacement and one for free from Deluxe. I’m all about the Lock-In Fulls now so not sure when I’ll use them.

Honestly I haven’t been thinking about skateboards lately. My current setup could take me through 2024 (with a deck refresh every few months of course).

Still I wouldn’t have known about the warranty if it wasn’t for this thread 🥹


DLX = first class warranty department.


Not to be a dick, but I would be either checking to make sure the bearing seats are good in those wheels before storing them away for if or when you need them (whenever that might be in the future), or if you don't want them, selling them on or swap / trade for anything else you do want or need.

I have stuff kept for a long time that is still good and will work fine when I want to use or need it, or if I find the right home for something, but other stuff I have zero need or use for, I see if anyone else is interested and get rid of it.  No point in hanging on to something if it just will not work for what you want.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on November 24, 2023, 11:49:53 PM
black classics and conical fulls in fall drop 3
(https://i.ibb.co/wwwcjL6/IMG-2472.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQQXRBz)
(https://i.ibb.co/vXv714c/IMG-2473.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9Z3FnHp)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on November 25, 2023, 02:18:58 PM
black classics and conical fulls in fall drop 3
(https://i.ibb.co/wwwcjL6/IMG-2472.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vQQXRBz)
(https://i.ibb.co/vXv714c/IMG-2473.jpg) (https://ibb.co/9Z3FnHp)

Killer graphics

I just asked my family for a set of 60 mm red Funks for Xmas.

I asked for 6.1s and a loose trucks kit too.

I rarely ask for boards. Im scared of getting the wrong stuff
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kaydubbb on November 30, 2023, 08:26:42 PM
Do the OG classics come in formula 4 and the old 99a formula? Spit catalogue lists them as F4 but everywhere here in Australia doesn't describe them as F4 and they are cheaper than all the F4 models.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on November 30, 2023, 10:24:39 PM
Do the OG classics come in formula 4 and the old 99a formula? Spit catalogue lists them as F4 but everywhere here in Australia doesn't describe them as F4 and they are cheaper than all the F4 models.


Yes there both the original formula (more common here in Australia at the moment as we are still waiting on the new drop of F4 wheels) and Formula Four in the OG Classics.

The easiest way to tell is on the reverse side, not the swirl graphic side, the Formula Four wheels have a smaller black ring close to the bearings with text in it, but the originals have a larger "Old English" font writing round the side.  They both have the swirl graphic in the colour to size on the front.

At least the giveaway is the price too, because original formula wheels are around AU $50 to $70 and the Formula Four wheels are now $79 through to $90 or even $99 for the larger sizes, very few that I have seen online, but still some around if you look hard enough.



Original Formula back in OG Classic:


(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/661308/files/53582331/1652x2313x2/spitfire-spitfire-wheel-og-classics-54mm-yellow.jpg)

(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/Spitfire-skateboard-wheels-og-classics-53mm-99a-01.png)


Formula Four back in OG Classic:


(https://skatesociety.com.au/cdn/shop/products/005017211_1_1200x.jpg)

(https://www.routeone.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/001117581.jpg)



* Note - different pro version wheels have different graphics, as per the Grant Taylor OG Classics in 55mm that I have still in shrink wrap.  I got them a while back for someone, who ended up going with a different wheel, so these are still available. 


(https://quickbutik.imgix.net/8494k/products/6078d462a8913.jpeg)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Kaydubbb on November 30, 2023, 10:59:00 PM
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Do the OG classics come in formula 4 and the old 99a formula? Spit catalogue lists them as F4 but everywhere here in Australia doesn't describe them as F4 and they are cheaper than all the F4 models.
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Yes there both the original formula (more common here in Australia at the moment as we are still waiting on the new drop of F4 wheels) and Formula Four in the OG Classics.

The easiest way to tell is on the reverse side, not the swirl graphic side, the Formula Four wheels have a smaller black ring close to the bearings with text in it, but the originals have a larger "Old English" font writing round the side.  They both have the swirl graphic in the colour to size on the front.

At least the giveaway is the price too, because original formula wheels are around AU $50 to $70 and the Formula Four wheels are now $79 through to $90 or even $99 for the larger sizes, very few that I have seen online, but still some around if you look hard enough.



Original Formula back in OG Classic:


(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/661308/files/53582331/1652x2313x2/spitfire-spitfire-wheel-og-classics-54mm-yellow.jpg)

(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/Spitfire-skateboard-wheels-og-classics-53mm-99a-01.png)


Formula Four back in OG Classic:


(https://skatesociety.com.au/cdn/shop/products/005017211_1_1200x.jpg)

(https://www.routeone.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/001117581.jpg)



* Note - different pro version wheels have different graphics, as per the Grant Taylor OG Classics in 55mm that I have still in shrink wrap.  I got them a while back for someone, who ended up going with a different wheel, so these are still available. 


(https://quickbutik.imgix.net/8494k/products/6078d462a8913.jpeg)


Thanks for the info, now I know what to look for I found them at UPS skate shop in Sydney with the black circle in 52mm which I wanted but I'm torn between the OG classic and the standard radials. I typically don't like conicals but wanted something with a wider contact patch without going crazy like the radial full. Might pull the trigger on the OG classics and try them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on November 30, 2023, 11:15:08 PM
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Do the OG classics come in formula 4 and the old 99a formula? Spit catalogue lists them as F4 but everywhere here in Australia doesn't describe them as F4 and they are cheaper than all the F4 models.
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Yes there both the original formula (more common here in Australia at the moment as we are still waiting on the new drop of F4 wheels) and Formula Four in the OG Classics.

The easiest way to tell is on the reverse side, not the swirl graphic side, the Formula Four wheels have a smaller black ring close to the bearings with text in it, but the originals have a larger "Old English" font writing round the side.  They both have the swirl graphic in the colour to size on the front.

At least the giveaway is the price too, because original formula wheels are around AU $50 to $70 and the Formula Four wheels are now $79 through to $90 or even $99 for the larger sizes, very few that I have seen online, but still some around if you look hard enough.



Original Formula back in OG Classic:


(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/661308/files/53582331/1652x2313x2/spitfire-spitfire-wheel-og-classics-54mm-yellow.jpg)

(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/Spitfire-skateboard-wheels-og-classics-53mm-99a-01.png)


Formula Four back in OG Classic:


(https://skatesociety.com.au/cdn/shop/products/005017211_1_1200x.jpg)

(https://www.routeone.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/001117581.jpg)



* Note - different pro version wheels have different graphics, as per the Grant Taylor OG Classics in 55mm that I have still in shrink wrap.  I got them a while back for someone, who ended up going with a different wheel, so these are still available. 


(https://quickbutik.imgix.net/8494k/products/6078d462a8913.jpeg)
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Thanks for the info, now I know what to look for I found them at UPS skate shop in Sydney with the black circle in 52mm which I wanted but I'm torn between the OG classic and the standard radials. I typically don't like conicals but wanted something with a wider contact patch without going crazy like the radial full. Might pull the trigger on the OG classics and try them.
F4 OG classics are the best shape ever imo.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: lewisnewton on December 01, 2023, 11:29:50 PM
Just bought some 51mm F4 Classics. Can’t wait.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on December 02, 2023, 02:19:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/LApc7hQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on December 02, 2023, 03:14:25 AM
Was about to get mad, then lol'd

Beautiful work
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on December 02, 2023, 08:30:44 AM
Ha. Anyway, I think a narrow wheel trend is imminent. Enough of the huge wheel shit, yes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 02, 2023, 08:32:48 AM
Wake up it's the first of the month yo.

Fuck a crack rock doggggggg. I need to get my urethane fix today
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: mamba on December 02, 2023, 09:00:12 AM
Ha. Anyway, I think a narrow wheel trend is imminent. Enough of the huge wheel shit, yes.

I thought the same thing about wide wheels. I was classic shape 4 life. I loved the rounded over edges. But I got a set of conical fulls for free so I decided to try them out. When I was on Ace I couldn't stand wide wheels, but I did like how smooth they felt on crust. When I switched to Thunder I thought I would try the conical fulls again, and I love them now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 02, 2023, 09:28:34 AM
Ogeez are back!!!

Bout to order

Also I. Trying to get out to the diy tomorrow.

If anyone from Boston wants to roll I got a hot box yesterday.

Down ass fools only.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 02, 2023, 09:32:09 AM
Ha. Anyway, I think a narrow wheel trend is imminent. Enough of the huge wheel shit, yes.


I full agree. 58x33 is the perfect size.

Imagine if spit dropped a 54- 60mm tablet.

No one is doing that so they would be pugging the hole in the industry.

Maybe we can get some very guys back on spit. Rn bones is the only one who is taking care of those foos
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on December 02, 2023, 09:34:23 AM
Busted out the CF 97s for some slip-free good times yesterday at the local indoor mini concrete slip fest.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: flintstagram on December 02, 2023, 03:25:46 PM
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Do the OG classics come in formula 4 and the old 99a formula? Spit catalogue lists them as F4 but everywhere here in Australia doesn't describe them as F4 and they are cheaper than all the F4 models.
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Yes there both the original formula (more common here in Australia at the moment as we are still waiting on the new drop of F4 wheels) and Formula Four in the OG Classics.

The easiest way to tell is on the reverse side, not the swirl graphic side, the Formula Four wheels have a smaller black ring close to the bearings with text in it, but the originals have a larger "Old English" font writing round the side.  They both have the swirl graphic in the colour to size on the front.

At least the giveaway is the price too, because original formula wheels are around AU $50 to $70 and the Formula Four wheels are now $79 through to $90 or even $99 for the larger sizes, very few that I have seen online, but still some around if you look hard enough.



Original Formula back in OG Classic:


(https://cdn.shoplightspeed.com/shops/661308/files/53582331/1652x2313x2/spitfire-spitfire-wheel-og-classics-54mm-yellow.jpg)

(https://www.basementskate.com.au/images/P/Spitfire-skateboard-wheels-og-classics-53mm-99a-01.png)


Formula Four back in OG Classic:


(https://skatesociety.com.au/cdn/shop/products/005017211_1_1200x.jpg)

(https://www.routeone.co.uk/cdn/shop/products/001117581.jpg)



* Note - different pro version wheels have different graphics, as per the Grant Taylor OG Classics in 55mm that I have still in shrink wrap.  I got them a while back for someone, who ended up going with a different wheel, so these are still available. 


(https://quickbutik.imgix.net/8494k/products/6078d462a8913.jpeg)
[close]


Thanks for the info, now I know what to look for I found them at UPS skate shop in Sydney with the black circle in 52mm which I wanted but I'm torn between the OG classic and the standard radials. I typically don't like conicals but wanted something with a wider contact patch without going crazy like the radial full. Might pull the trigger on the OG classics and try them.
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F4 OG classics are the best shape ever imo.

Agreed. I got so excited I bought 3 sets of 55s the day they came out. I fucking love that wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 02, 2023, 04:22:14 PM
Im waiting. I want the 60s but I took um out the cart.

Those x99s in 58 have me thinking hmmm.
Also Andy's 97a nano is available in 60mmm.

I just got 6.1s and the 9" Ben Raybourn by metal

I'll wait because I did ask my mom for red Tfunks I kinda want not to have that much extra urethane at this time.

My next big purchase will be a stack of boards probably.

Let's see what happens.

Yo i'm stoked to be back on 875 up. I believe that's my thing. I have way more fun on the big magic carpet set up boards.

Also

I know I'll be the one who gets the 60s or 58s the shop got. I'm the big big wheels addict in the area

There's several sets I've been watching
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Badandoldskater on December 02, 2023, 04:34:01 PM
Yeah I don’t know if I want to put tfunk red 60s on my heroin wide boy or nanos in a 97a. I have 64mm dragons I could use but I want a harder wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 02, 2023, 07:12:29 PM
Yeah I don’t know if I want to put tfunk red 60s on my heroin wide boy or nanos in a 97a. I have 64mm dragons I could use but I want a harder wheel.

Yeah I've been riding my dragons full time. The two issues I have with them is slippery when wet. And the bounce.

 Barely wore any millimeters off. Soi got time. Im heading into the city this week to renew my dis-pass. I'll make up my mind then
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on December 06, 2023, 07:35:20 AM
I have 51mm Classic (worn to 45mm) and 54mm conical full (worn to 49mm). really like both of these wheels... not sure what I want to get next time. I am looking at going back to 1 setup basically so I am thinking of going up to the bigger wheels. really enjoyed how light weight and tippy the small classics felt though.

found some 56mm classic on sale for $50 CAD which is $20 off (most i have ever seen F4 on sale). It looks like if i were to ride this down it would end up same as the 54mm Conical Full... does that make sense? (classics will end up just slightly fatter which is kinda rad...)

also found 52mm on sale same price. maybe i should just get both?! lol!! 

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer23/sf-fof-cf.png)

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer23/sf-classic.png)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 06, 2023, 05:01:55 PM
I have 51mm Classic (worn to 45mm) and 54mm conical full (worn to 49mm). really like both of these wheels... not sure what I want to get next time. I am looking at going back to 1 setup basically so I am thinking of going up to the bigger wheels. really enjoyed how light weight and tippy the small classics felt though.

found some 56mm classic on sale for $50 CAD which is $20 off (most i have ever seen F4 on sale). It looks like if i were to ride this down it would end up same as the 54mm Conical Full... does that make sense? (classics will end up just slightly fatter which is kinda rad...)

also found 52mm on sale same price. maybe i should just get both?! lol!! 



I have often got different sets of Classics, especially 56 mm wheels in rotation in different stages of wear, so yeah they just work so well for almost everything and are pretty much just the right width for what I like and skate too.

The reality is I don't skate often enough now to actually wear out product, so when I have something, it usually stays that size for the most part, but I also swap and trade a whole lot of wheels so I am usually riding older well used wheels from others that shape down nicely.


Spitfire wheels are only going to go up in price, so if you do enjoy a bigger wheel and a smaller wheel and can afford it, grab both, otherwise the 56 mm wheels should keep you happy for a while, even if some of the more tech things are a little harder with bigger wheels to start with.

As much as I would often say I could skate with one board, I know that is never going to be the case for me so I will always have multiple setups and then skate different boards at different places, mainly different size / shape / duro wheels on similar everything else, but I do like to mix and match a bit too with some other board sizes and shapes.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on December 08, 2023, 07:55:16 PM
id definitely buy a radial full in 52mm
until that day comes, im running these 56s to the ground
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 08, 2023, 09:16:39 PM
I have 51mm Classic (worn to 45mm) and 54mm conical full (worn to 49mm). really like both of these wheels... not sure what I want to get next time. I am looking at going back to 1 setup basically so I am thinking of going up to the bigger wheels. really enjoyed how light weight and tippy the small classics felt though.

found some 56mm classic on sale for $50 CAD which is $20 off (most i have ever seen F4 on sale). It looks like if i were to ride this down it would end up same as the 54mm Conical Full... does that make sense? (classics will end up just slightly fatter which is kinda rad...)

also found 52mm on sale same price. maybe i should just get both?! lol!! 

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer23/sf-fof-cf.png)

(https://www.spitfirewheels.com/summer23/sf-classic.png)

I had those conis when I came off soft wheels in 2016. Best 101a wheel I've had maybe?

Definitely wear down the same. I think they're like a mm wider if even.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: curb_cut on December 15, 2023, 02:54:23 PM
anyone know if classic fulls are dead or going to come back? i see theyre available in 80HD but Im hoping they make more soon
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on December 15, 2023, 03:05:25 PM
anyone know if classic fulls are dead or going to come back? i see theyre available in 80HD but Im hoping they make more soon



When they first came out, they were everywhere, basic blue graphic in 99 and red graphic in 101 much like Ciassics and Conical Full used to be, but then maybe the interest died off and they don't make them as a regular wheel anymore.

I feel like they are only released as "special editions" now with Max Palmer having some in 54 and 56 mm most recently (this year?), the grey black swirl and only on the board brand website, not through any other supplier.

https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel

Site listing has been pulled but the image is still up:

https://limosineskateboards.com/cdn/shop/products/HeroShotLarge54mm_MAx_web.jpg


Before that there were the 52, 53 and 54 mm "Repeaters" with a generic graphic series from last year, but the ones I used to skate a lot of were the Grosso, and Lance wheels in 54, 56 and 58 mm sizes, from 2019 to 2020 era.



*  Funny that this came up in a search just now:


54mm Repeaters in Classic Full from Canada

https://d-structure.com/products/wheels-spitfire-f4-classic-full-99a-54mm-repeaters?variant=40160476135472

(https://d-structure.com/cdn/shop/products/spitfire-formula4-classicfull-repeaters-54mm-99a-natural-wheels-2_1024x1024.png)



OG Classic Full blue logo wheels from Germany

https://www.ebay.com/itm/404638629391

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/iEQAAOSwpXZlW4X8/s-l1600.jpg)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on December 15, 2023, 03:13:20 PM
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When they first came out, they were everywhere, basic blue graphic in 99 and red graphic in 101 much like Ciassics and Conical Full used to be, but then maybe the interest died off and they don't make them as a regular wheel anymore.

I feel like they are only released as "special editions" now with Max Palmer having some in 54 and 56 mm most recently (this year?), the grey black swirl and only on the board brand website, not through any other supplier.

https://limosineskateboards.com/products/max-palmer-limosine-54-mm-classic-full-formula-4-spitfire-wheel

Site listing has been pulled but the image is still up:

https://limosineskateboards.com/cdn/shop/products/HeroShotLarge54mm_MAx_web.jpg


Before that there were the 52, 53 and 54 mm generic graphic series from last year, but the ones I used to skate a lot of were the Grosso, and Lance wheels in 54, 56 and 58 mm sizes, from 2019 to 2020 era.

^ Yup. Last set of those I had were the Grosso ones circa 2019. I broke my leg on those wheels, btw.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Vexed on December 15, 2023, 03:53:32 PM
id definitely buy a radial full in 52mm
until that day comes, im running these 56s to the ground

With the volume of wide ass wheels coming out I pray there may be some defected into wide ass Lil’ Smokies.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on December 31, 2023, 01:49:28 PM
https://youtu.be/b_jStzmaHoo?si=V5Whwor4nqwP_W7T

Quick example of how nice the radial full (54 97a);is on bricks.

I gotta ride across this bricks multiple times a day. When I first leave the house boom I'm on the bricks holding ot going to get a coffee rubbina crust out my eye.

How a wheel does on bricks is kinda my everything.

Shit
My house is made of these same
Lumpy Ass "Colonial" Bricks and and Godly Gloucester Granite from the 1800s because it's connected to Essex street and was part of the mansion across the street.

So lucky. I fuckin feel like a skatebloard hobbit or something and this is my hobbit hole in the Shire cuz I fits me so well. And Thousands of people stop to photograph my house every year. Get a family photo that looks like a Black Sabbath cover. Lol.

It's cool that people be posting up on the stairs creating memories.

I understand Bricks=art always.

Anyway


So far this is the best formula for going fast on bricks. These are the exact size as my dragons are rn. They were 58x33 rat bone twos.

And

+4 about mm than my favorite wheel the Og classic. Formerly 58mm as well. Now about 50 tink.

These feel exactly like the OG in every way except smoother and faster so a 54 feels like a 58 or 60 at 99a

One negative but it's resolved

back 50s where more likely to unlock but the rear toe side wheels got a little flatter so not an issue.

Once that completes metamorphosis this wheels the absolute perfect street wheel formula.

No stupid bounce either. If I hit a crack and my board foot wasn't quite down the board is stay straight and true.

Going across this with 93a Powell wheelsis sick but dangerous af at higher speeds.

My board has gone crooked while hauling ass many times.

I'm setting up a second board rn for long distance. I gotta skate 7 miles and back on Thursday.

I gotta have really big or soft wheels for that these days. If it was one way sure whatever but the way back is a 3 mile uphill nightmare.

Super fun getting there tho. No push doing about 14 mph. I wanna go rn

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on January 01, 2024, 03:05:57 AM
This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on January 01, 2024, 02:01:28 PM
This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.

maaaaaan fuck dragons. they are ok, but that’s about it. my experience has been that they have serious drawbacks. the bounce is wicked. the biggest problem for me is that dragons do no slide on these really crusty roads i skate, whereas f4s do slide. no speed check, no dice.

on flat rough pavement, the dragons are nice tho. i appreciate the smoothness, and the quiet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 01, 2024, 03:39:54 PM
It's f4 for me

I definitely wanna get a set of those && wheels at 60mm. The harder ones.

Having an offset wheel in the ice box is a good idea. I wanna see what it feels like on pool coping.

I gotta get my RF to the bowl as well. The og 59 so far was the best.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on January 02, 2024, 12:15:35 AM
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This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.
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maaaaaan fuck dragons. they are ok, but that’s about it. my experience has been that they have serious drawbacks. the bounce is wicked. the biggest problem for me is that dragons do no slide on these really crusty roads i skate, whereas f4s do slide. no speed check, no dice.

on flat rough pavement, the dragons are nice tho. i appreciate the smoothness, and the quiet.

Funny that my Spitfires can barely roll over or even get to slides if I try to skate over really crusty spots, both 99 and 97s in their widest shapes. Dragons handle them no problem and I get them to slide almost everywhere. Good if it works for you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FunnyBunny on January 02, 2024, 06:42:45 AM
Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on January 02, 2024, 06:50:36 AM
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This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.
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maaaaaan fuck dragons. they are ok, but that’s about it. my experience has been that they have serious drawbacks. the bounce is wicked. the biggest problem for me is that dragons do no slide on these really crusty roads i skate, whereas f4s do slide. no speed check, no dice.

on flat rough pavement, the dragons are nice tho. i appreciate the smoothness, and the quiet.
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Funny that my Spitfires can barely roll over or even get to slides if I try to skate over really crusty spots, both 99 and 97s in their widest shapes. Dragons handle them no problem and I get them to slide almost everywhere. Good if it works for you.

this getting them to slide everywhere is nonsense. dragons are good for what they are, but the hyperbole around them is too much.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 02, 2024, 07:59:37 AM
Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.

Intriguing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on January 02, 2024, 08:07:44 AM
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This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.
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maaaaaan fuck dragons. they are ok, but that’s about it. my experience has been that they have serious drawbacks. the bounce is wicked. the biggest problem for me is that dragons do no slide on these really crusty roads i skate, whereas f4s do slide. no speed check, no dice.

on flat rough pavement, the dragons are nice tho. i appreciate the smoothness, and the quiet.
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Funny that my Spitfires can barely roll over or even get to slides if I try to skate over really crusty spots, both 99 and 97s in their widest shapes. Dragons handle them no problem and I get them to slide almost everywhere. Good if it works for you.
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this getting them to slide everywhere is nonsense. dragons are good for what they are, but the hyperbole around them is too much.

I didn't claim to get them slide everywhere, but in most places. I ride them myself so I'm not pointing at someone elses opinion and experiences about them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 02, 2024, 09:18:51 AM
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This ia just my experience but all of my Dragon shapes beat my RF 97 Spits on any other than perfect skatepark surfaces and they both suck on the latter.
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maaaaaan fuck dragons. they are ok, but that’s about it. my experience has been that they have serious drawbacks. the bounce is wicked. the biggest problem for me is that dragons do no slide on these really crusty roads i skate, whereas f4s do slide. no speed check, no dice.

on flat rough pavement, the dragons are nice tho. i appreciate the smoothness, and the quiet.
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Funny that my Spitfires can barely roll over or even get to slides if I try to skate over really crusty spots, both 99 and 97s in their widest shapes. Dragons handle them no problem and I get them to slide almost everywhere. Good if it works for you.

Nah I agree. The dragons slide like WTF! WOW. I'm just regular ole Spit man.

My heart is made of f4.

Bones late 80s 95-97 is made of God cum tho. A pal told me it's like that because urethane is like better over time. Like wine I guess. I don't drank like ever tho.

I'm an acid man
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FunnyBunny on January 02, 2024, 10:49:05 AM
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Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.
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Intriguing.


Okay found it……I may be reaching here but at 2:35:45 he says he’s got something comparable, and cracks a smile.  So Spitfire dragon-like formula confirmed.

 https://youtu.be/NV1yRnyohbM?si=23lPRgeFJmy8R95B (https://youtu.be/NV1yRnyohbM?si=23lPRgeFJmy8R95B)


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 02, 2024, 11:57:11 AM
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Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.
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Intriguing.
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Okay found it……I may be reaching here but at 2:35:45 he says he’s got something comparable, and cracks a smile.  So Spitfire dragon-like formula confirmed.

 https://youtu.be/NV1yRnyohbM?si=23lPRgeFJmy8R95B (https://youtu.be/NV1yRnyohbM?si=23lPRgeFJmy8R95B)

I wonder what the secret is? It's definitely something to do with the glossy ness

I bet it's Satori additives from their genius attempts.

I wish more than anything that olive oil shit worked out for at least bushings.

We're all going to get cancer in California someday.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 02, 2024, 05:09:27 PM
Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.

Except he didn't mention spitfire at all? Reaching....Just because he rides 99a spits doesn't mean the wheels he's talking about are spits...however, we can only hope/I hope you are right.

Bones late 80s 95-97 is made of God cum tho. A pal told me it's like that because urethane is like better over time. Like wine I guess.

For the most part, all 'good' 97a wheels back then were amazing because the urethane was petroleum based: OJ street razors and Slimeballs (rat bones, vision blurrs too) were the best modern wheel shapes until spit came along - literally no one ever complained about a 97a wheel not being able to slide (tho 95a pretty much sucked) as they all slid and slid better than what we have today the caveat here is they also wore down/coned super fucking fast by today's standards.

We had this hill near a curb/manny spot and we always did powerslide comps (because powerslides were a thing and shit rarely flatspotted) to see who could go the farthest, you could get 10' plus if you could hold them; F4 spits are closest you can get to how the old wheels felt, no joke, but the slide isn't even close to old wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 02, 2024, 06:13:37 PM
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Did anyone catch Ben Degros on the nine club?  He kinda alludes to the fact that he’s ridding a Spitfire version of the Dragons.  I’ll try to provide a time stamp at some point.
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Except he didn't mention spitfire at all? Reaching....Just because he rides 99a spits doesn't mean the wheels he's talking about are spits...however, we can only hope/I hope you are right.




Yeah but he talked a lot about being a product advisor for DLX and working with Jim T. I'd say there's good chance.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 07, 2024, 01:01:01 PM
https://youtu.be/yC2NqzGN-vk?si=db2UJsN2yyiLuRit

The Dad Bloard weighed a bunch of wheels.

Went exactly as my feet thought

Ogs are lighter than Conicals.

I wanna see tabs vs classics now pretty badly

Everyone loves the OGs. It's the god shape.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on January 08, 2024, 09:22:59 AM
It would be amazing if they called them like Leviathans or some sort of fire breathing mythical beast that slays dragons  ;D
when crob / roger offered the dragons, ben was kinda like "im good" lol
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: typeischeap on January 08, 2024, 09:51:27 AM
Everyone loves the OGs. It's the god shape.

I'm not everyone but they effectively cured my wheel madness. Or maybe trying every shape last year did that, lol.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on January 08, 2024, 11:19:45 AM
dont think ive ever held og classics……
what would yall say about the edge of the wheel?
is it semi rounded?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on January 08, 2024, 11:41:08 AM
dont think ive ever held og classics……
what would yall say about the edge of the wheel?
is it semi rounded?

Quite square, more so than a conical. My only gripe. If they rounded out the lip more like a radial and decreased the riding surface (so its more like a bones v5) I'd be so hyped
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Rick Trapasso on January 08, 2024, 11:46:52 AM
dont think ive ever held og classics……
what would yall say about the edge of the wheel?
is it semi rounded?

Been a while since i've held some but iirc they almost appear to be beveled on the inside edge then it sort of smooths out towards the outside edge

pretty decent up close pics here

https://thepremierstore.com/products/formula-four-99-og-classic-58mm?variant=32355535061057&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2018-09-29&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiA1-6sBhAoEiwArqlGPnWxnptRqf0YLZa0u6HgBuQ_OYNsyxGB8FV9Wj3U_hGMTUGxhT7YdhoCxCQQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 08, 2024, 12:05:13 PM
Do they not make the OG classics in 101? Might have to just dip for 101 conicals or STF 103 V5s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 08, 2024, 05:19:56 PM
Do they not make the OG classics in 101? Might have to just dip for 101 conicals or STF 103 V5s.


No, just the original formula and the Formula Four 99s.


dont think ive ever held og classics……
what would yall say about the edge of the wheel?
is it semi rounded?


When I saw them in person, they were thinner overall than I first thought and a little more square than almost anything else besides Tablets from the Spitfire wheel range.

Then when I skated some, they skated well and I didn't have any issues, so although I thought they might have been a bit too square, they worked well.

Once they wore down some, they did get very sharp on the edge, but I am used to angle grinding the edges to round them off some more.  Might not quite be something most people could see as an easy alternative to Conical Full, or even just normal Conical shaped wheels, but they are quite popular and people like the graphic on them too, the swirl indented rather than on the whole face of the wheel or the smaller black ring on the other side with the info on them.

Funny how a graphic can sell a wheel so well in some cases.




Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 08, 2024, 07:50:09 PM
Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on January 08, 2024, 08:04:57 PM
Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?

Relatively slim profile with a wide contact patch, cutaway in the middle so a little lighter.

For me I mostly like the swirl graphic that doesnt fade because of the cutaway. Personally would prefer a more rounded lip like a radial or something at the expense of less riding surface. Its not my favourite shape but its good
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 08, 2024, 09:34:14 PM
Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?
In my case skating came little easier to me. Lock in was great and the overall feel was amazing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on January 08, 2024, 10:27:23 PM
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Relatively slim profile with a wide contact patch, cutaway in the middle so a little lighter.

For me I mostly like the swirl graphic that doesnt fade because of the cutaway. Personally would prefer a more rounded lip like a radial or something at the expense of less riding surface. Its not my favourite shape but its good

what is your favorite shape?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: flintstagram on January 08, 2024, 10:28:48 PM
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In my case skating came little easier to me. Lock in was great and the overall feel was amazing.

Word. They just feel good. They look cool and they lock in well, and for whatever reason all of my tricks just feel better. Probably because they’re a hair lighter than conical fulls. I don’t like hollow trucks because they feel weird, but a slightly lighter wheel than confull feels good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: intendedreceivers on January 09, 2024, 08:33:44 AM
Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?

Best way I can describe it is they’re a very stable-feeling wheel, lots of ground contact, lots of leverage to turn, but lighter than most wheels that give you those things. I feel like the square-ish profile locks in nicely and gives good feedback.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 09, 2024, 08:50:33 AM
Nice. I can never commit to one shape. For years I did not really care so much about wheel shape but these days, I go back and fore way too much. Flip tricks are def better on classics but I like a  wider contact patch for the terrain up here in the PNW. Square wheels like Conical Fulls and OG Classics are great on transition but in bigger sizes are more prone to wheel bite and sluggish flips. Currently on some Locks ins which are a nice compromise but I really like rotating wheels as they wear. I have radials in the pile also, in the quest for a good all rounder.

My fav wheel of the last decade was actually a set of 58mm classics I took down to about 50mm. So essentially a Classic full by the time they were 54mm. Great shape as they wore.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 09, 2024, 01:13:32 PM
Man, they used to drop massive amounts of pro wheels way back:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irnsuperior.com%2Fcatalog%2Fcatalog%2Fsf-spring15-drop2.pdf&psig=AOvVaw05Epq3G9njhmu_7PTh4TJh&ust=1704918387260000&source=images&cd=vfe&opi=89978449&ved=0CBIQjRxqFwoTCJCo-4mS0YMDFQAAAAAdAAAAABAS
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on January 09, 2024, 01:28:49 PM
classic full sizing for anyone interested
or future search purposes
(https://i.ibb.co/pyvzWBY/IMG-0131.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Zm68Hpq)

seems like the available equivalent is the normal radials
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 09, 2024, 03:10:31 PM
classic full sizing for anyone interested
or future search purposes


seems like the available equivalent is the normal radials


* Sorry if this sounds like a whinge - not meant to be, just information to share.



I had posted about this before, mainly because it is something I am a little bit OCD about, but I find it a bit annoying they have never fixed the charts and everything say the same thing, that Classic Full wheels are barely wider than the normal Classic wheels, which in fact for the 56 and 58 mm sizes is not true, as I have lots of both and really used to only ride the 56 mm Classic Full wheels on my normal board, with the 58 mm on bigger setups. 

They are closer to / wider than the Conical Full overall widths in those bigger sizes.


That said, this is a post from a while back:


https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg4002140#msg4002140


 If you were looking for anything 54 mm or under, they are not that different, but 56 mm and 58 mm Classic Full wheels are a lot wider overall, as per the pics from the wheel listings.

I prefer the 56 mm size more as a transition / all rounder, but the smaller ones are good for small street / tech stuff, in the same way normal Classic 54 mm wear down a mm or two and widen out nicely.


Classic Full chart correct to 54mm and measurements just taken again on wheels I have:

52       33       18
53       33.5    18.5
54       34       19
54.5    35       19.5
56       37       22.5
58       38       24


*  The 54.5 were the Cardiel specials, just in case anyone was confused.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 09, 2024, 06:14:26 PM
Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?

It's main benefit is the graphic.

That black line is perfection. I think it's on the lock in. Definitely something similar. I had to let a homie know more than once that they're skating them backwards cuz they wanted the fresh graphic out.

The og spiral is the best version of the spiral too. I feel the same as ba. The classic spiral is too big. I can't grind 50% of it off fast enough.

Performance wise

They have a large contact patch and they are light
I think it's the third lightest shape. After classic and tabs. I assume the tabs.

They have a rounded edge it stays rounded for at least 5mm.  Flipping the board is easy with 58mm ogs. Easier than with 54 radial fulls. Wheels are really close in shape but it's noticeable.

The 58mm og is hands down the best shape in skatebloarding.
 I imagine because it's shaped similar to slime balls. That wheel was so sick.

The radial is my second favorite. I believe because the OG is basically a radial that weighs less cuz of the side cuts.

Classic 3rd after it's nice and warn down.

Og is perfect for the duration of the wheel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 09, 2024, 06:37:52 PM
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Why do people love the OG classics so much? Just curious what they provide that other shapes don't?
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It's main benefit is the graphic.


Dude's got a point, unintrusive and doesn't scrape off after 1 session.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 09, 2024, 06:46:28 PM
Alright Uncle Flea you convinced me.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on January 09, 2024, 11:59:03 PM
I used to skate OG Classics, but I've since grown to like rounder edge and narrower wheels. Sharper edge wheels feel somehow clunky and heavy for me. Radial is an awesome all-rounder, but maybe just a tad too wide for my taste once I step out of the pool. Hence, just ordered my first set of Classics in a long while. Feeling them already.

The Bones V5 shape is pretty much perfect. It's like a better-shaped and lighter version of the OG Classic. Goes everywhere. I wish Spitfire made a shape like that.

Plus, give us back the Radial Slim already, jeez.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 10, 2024, 01:27:44 AM
The Bones V5 shape is pretty much perfect. It's like a better-shaped and lighter version of the OG Classic. Goes everywhere. I wish Spitfire made a shape like that.
Exactly the reason why I got V5 yesterday.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on January 10, 2024, 02:03:22 AM
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The Bones V5 shape is pretty much perfect. It's like a better-shaped and lighter version of the OG Classic. Goes everywhere. I wish Spitfire made a shape like that.
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Exactly the reason why I got V5 yesterday.

X99? You're gonna love 'em.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 10, 2024, 02:34:44 AM
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The Bones V5 shape is pretty much perfect. It's like a better-shaped and lighter version of the OG Classic. Goes everywhere. I wish Spitfire made a shape like that.
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Exactly the reason why I got V5 yesterday.
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X99? You're gonna love 'em.
Yup, X99. I'll try to be a well behaved human being and won't set them up till my Spits or Dial Tones are done.
Obviously I'll fail so I'll set them up next time I change board
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on January 10, 2024, 02:52:14 AM

Yup, X99. I'll try to be a well behaved human being and won't set them up till my Spits or Dial Tones are done.
Obviously I'll fail so I'll set them up next time I change board

This is skateboarding.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 10, 2024, 03:18:42 AM
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Yup, X99. I'll try to be a well behaved human being and won't set them up till my Spits or Dial Tones are done.
Obviously I'll fail so I'll set them up next time I change board
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This is skateboarding.
As an unsponsored adult
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on January 10, 2024, 09:55:35 AM
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Yup, X99. I'll try to be a well behaved human being and won't set them up till my Spits or Dial Tones are done.
Obviously I'll fail so I'll set them up next time I change board
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This is skateboarding.
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As an unsponsored adult

i don’t have the largest ice chest, but i do have waaaaaaay too many experiments setup.

now i want these v5s. i had resolved to try the x97s, feeling like the f4 99s are excellent for what they are, and only wanting something different for really bad roads.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 10, 2024, 03:23:49 PM
Alright Uncle Flea you convinced me.

I'm telling yah won't be disappointed.

Not that spit can even be disappointing. Except when you're bloard gets run over and the flat spot
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 10, 2024, 05:22:53 PM
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Yup, X99. I'll try to be a well behaved human being and won't set them up till my Spits or Dial Tones are done.
Obviously I'll fail so I'll set them up next time I change board
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This is skateboarding.
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As an unsponsored adult
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i don’t have the largest ice chest, but i do have waaaaaaay too many experiments setup.

now i want these v5s. i had resolved to try the x97s, feeling like the f4 99s are excellent for what they are, and only wanting something different for really bad roads.

V5s really are the best shape. Thin-ish, cut-away light, decent riding surface and locks in so nice; however, Spit conicals are very close.

I'm trying to find some regs old STF 103s, so hard to find them, everything is x99 or spits.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on January 11, 2024, 12:37:31 AM
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Yup, X99. I'll try to be a well behaved human being and won't set them up till my Spits or Dial Tones are done.
Obviously I'll fail so I'll set them up next time I change board
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This is skateboarding.
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As an unsponsored adult
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i don’t have the largest ice chest, but i do have waaaaaaay too many experiments setup.

now i want these v5s. i had resolved to try the x97s, feeling like the f4 99s are excellent for what they are, and only wanting something different for really bad roads.
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V5s really are the best shape. Thin-ish, cut-away light, decent riding surface and locks in so nice; however, Spit conicals are very close.

I'm trying to find some regs old STF 103s, so hard to find them, everything is x99 or spits.

You're right of course, Spitfire Conicals are quite close to V5 shape-wise, albeit a bit wider, especially when the wheel size gets larger. But still, the V5 hits a weird sweet spot for me, even if it's a question of a few millimeters.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ant on January 11, 2024, 08:15:12 AM
All this talk of shapes has made me realise that I've only been skating conical fulls in 54mm since 2015. I'm pretty sure I only went that route because I liked the shape visually.

Right now I'm skating only indoor wooden park and is it worth changing to something else? I have absolutely zero slip issues with the conical fulls, they don't even slide when I want them to.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ant on January 11, 2024, 08:17:01 AM
All this talk of shapes has made me realise that I've only been skating conical fulls in 54mm since 2015. I'm pretty sure I only went that route because I liked the shape visually.

Right now I'm skating only indoor wooden bowls/park and is it worth changing to something else? I have absolutely zero slip issues with the conical fulls, they don't even slide when I want them to.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 11, 2024, 09:59:18 AM
For those 5 people that like bones v5, Ricta 'Mids' are the same shape albeit wider.

All this talk of shapes has made me realise that I've only been skating conical fulls in 54mm since 2015. I'm pretty sure I only went that route because I liked the shape visually.

Right now I'm skating only indoor wooden park and is it worth changing to something else? I have absolutely zero slip issues with the conical fulls, they don't even slide when I want them to.



Is there anything wrong with your skating that could be solved with different shaped wheels?

If it works, don't fix it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ant on January 11, 2024, 10:08:10 AM
For those 5 people that like bones v5, Ricta 'Mids' are the same shape albeit wider.

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All this talk of shapes has made me realise that I've only been skating conical fulls in 54mm since 2015. I'm pretty sure I only went that route because I liked the shape visually.

Right now I'm skating only indoor wooden park and is it worth changing to something else? I have absolutely zero slip issues with the conical fulls, they don't even slide when I want them to.


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Is there anything wrong with your skating that could be solved with different shaped wheels?

If it works, don't fix it.

Issues I have are I can't ollie for shit and I don't quite go as fast as I like. Neither really need different wheels to solve ;D thanks for stopping the potential madness.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 11, 2024, 10:46:10 AM
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For those 5 people that like bones v5, Ricta 'Mids' are the same shape albeit wider.

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All this talk of shapes has made me realise that I've only been skating conical fulls in 54mm since 2015. I'm pretty sure I only went that route because I liked the shape visually.

Right now I'm skating only indoor wooden park and is it worth changing to something else? I have absolutely zero slip issues with the conical fulls, they don't even slide when I want them to.


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Is there anything wrong with your skating that could be solved with different shaped wheels?

If it works, don't fix it.
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Issues I have are I can't ollie for shit and I don't quite go as fast as I like. Neither really need different wheels to solve ;D thanks for stopping the potential madness.


Correct answer: work on your ollies and go faster

Madness answer: bigger wheels would help both of those issues ;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Phao Lo on January 16, 2024, 02:12:51 PM
https://dlxskateshop.com/collections/skate-goods/products/spitfire-formula-four-big-beatdown-classic-wheel-99du (https://dlxskateshop.com/collections/skate-goods/products/spitfire-formula-four-big-beatdown-classic-wheel-99du)

https://dlxskateshop.com/collections/skate-goods/products/spitfire-formula-four-lil-beatdown-classic-wheel-99du (https://dlxskateshop.com/collections/skate-goods/products/spitfire-formula-four-lil-beatdown-classic-wheel-99du)

https://www.instagram.com/p/C2LPC8DSkjz/?igsh=NzBmMjdhZWRiYQ== (https://www.instagram.com/p/C2LPC8DSkjz/?igsh=NzBmMjdhZWRiYQ==)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: hiljentaa on January 16, 2024, 03:45:49 PM
I love how the 66s make the 60s look small. Glad they aren't priced overly high.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 16, 2024, 04:38:29 PM
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They will not be out here for a while yet, but it is funny to think 43 mm (1992-1993) through 66.6 mm (1997-1998) so yeah, the 90s were a funny time in skateboarding.

At least that was my take on the timeline of some of those sizes.

Anyone else got a different thought as to when they were in their prime / when they got really big for the super small and super big sizes?


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 16, 2024, 05:49:52 PM
I love how the 66s make the 60s look small. Glad they aren't priced overly high.

Would be nice to see the Lil Beatdowns in more the Lil' Smokie price range.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 16, 2024, 06:21:26 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/8clcih.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: JM on January 16, 2024, 07:14:31 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/8clcih.jpg)
Add V5's as Sandy out there running with Spongebob and Patrick....

V5's are a great Radial Slim.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on January 16, 2024, 07:39:07 PM
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They will not be out here for a while yet, but it is funny to think 43 mm (1992-1993) through 66.6 mm (1997-1998) so yeah, the 90s were a funny time in skateboarding.

At least that was my take on the timeline of some of those sizes.

Anyone else got a different thought as to when they were in their prime / when they got really big for the super small and super big sizes?

seems about right. i skated for a few years as a little kid, bones brigade era, tragically quit, and then restarted in 1994? whenever 411 vm #6 was. first setup had 44.5 spitfires, on recommendation from the shop, to not use something ‘too small’. by 1998, ish (when did osiris first start? that year), i was skating a setup with 60 mm spitfire classics. the wide ones. there were some interesting moments with gear, as we upgraded components as we could.
maybe i have it wrong in my mind, but i remember loving drake jones’ skating, and wanting indy’s because of him. decks were 7.5, but in my memory, indy wasn’t offering a 129 at that time.
then we got the narrow trucks, but EE3 came out, and we needed the big, big wheels, so then it was these really tippy setups.

oh. another dumbass thing i did was i’d skate riser, or ‘shock pads’, on every setup. 54s? cool, got my risers. and for 52s. and then for 60s. etc.

every now and then a friend would get a board from a sponsored skater, and we’d all marvel at how insane an 8” deck looked.
that era was a lot more interesting, compared to say 2003ish-2010, were people went on autopilot and skated the same ish shit.

if skating dies, are we going to get a new uniform?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 16, 2024, 07:45:12 PM
66mms were a mid 80s thing.
(https://www.juxtapoz.com/media/k2/galleries/70225/Screen_Shot_2021-11-07_at_3.49.40_PM.png)


The Big Wheel revival in the mid  90s maxed out at about 63mm with Matt Reason.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fScEB9VU0dg/XrBaNtK-_HI/AAAAAAAALQ8/heHFj4nKIkU8sQnFYU_WDIaTQ6difek5wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/mattreasonmay01.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on January 17, 2024, 08:02:43 AM
Quick back story - My Local is like 60 min drive from my house - it used to be a skatepark but closed during covid now its a guy running it out of his garage. he told me he is not going to be ordering spitfires next time because they will be $90 and hes only making like $5  :'(
Also, within the past week or so, Zumiez that was only like 30 min from my house has also closed down. They have lots of F4 classics on sale still for $50 which is $20 off and spitfires seem to never go on sale around here. I might order 2 sets of Spitfires from Zumiez to put on ice just to keep me going for the next few years  :-X
I reallllly love spitfire wheels and want to support DLX. but that is probably getting to the point its too much if I will be able to get decent wheels at like 1/2 the price or even less and they are working for me I will have no choice but to change probably  :'(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: goodatmeth on January 17, 2024, 08:28:39 AM
Bones really is winning by keeping their prices the same over the last few years. Also the new x formula is a legit alternative to F4.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smg1138 on January 17, 2024, 08:30:01 AM
Are the F4 97a good for indoor skatelite? My local indoor park is slick asf on hard wheels so I'm trying to find a good option without going too crazy soft.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 17, 2024, 08:43:06 AM
Bones really is winning by keeping their prices the same over the last few years. Also the new x formula is a legit alternative to F4.
Couldn't agree more, + Bones offers more shapes that are not available on Spits.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Dad Board on January 17, 2024, 12:44:41 PM
Quick back story - My Local is like 60 min drive from my house - it used to be a skatepark but closed during covid now its a guy running it out of his garage. he told me he is not going to be ordering spitfires next time because they will be $90 and hes only making like $5  :'(
Also, within the past week or so, Zumiez that was only like 30 min from my house has also closed down. They have lots of F4 classics on sale still for $50 which is $20 off and spitfires seem to never go on sale around here. I might order 2 sets of Spitfires from Zumiez to put on ice just to keep me going for the next few years  :-X
I reallllly love spitfire wheels and want to support DLX. but that is probably getting to the point its too much if I will be able to get decent wheels at like 1/2 the price or even less and they are working for me I will have no choice but to change probably  :'(

*Geoff Rowley voice “pure dedication to skateboarding”
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 17, 2024, 05:35:04 PM
Quick back story - My Local is like 60 min drive from my house - it used to be a skatepark but closed during covid now its a guy running it out of his garage. he told me he is not going to be ordering spitfires next time because they will be $90 and hes only making like $5  :'(
Also, within the past week or so, Zumiez that was only like 30 min from my house has also closed down. They have lots of F4 classics on sale still for $50 which is $20 off and spitfires seem to never go on sale around here. I might order 2 sets of Spitfires from Zumiez to put on ice just to keep me going for the next few years  :-X
I reallllly love spitfire wheels and want to support DLX. but that is probably getting to the point its too much if I will be able to get decent wheels at like 1/2 the price or even less and they are working for me I will have no choice but to change probably  :'(


For the people who buy whatever they want whenever they want, hats off to you sir.  For everyone else who is living on a budget and trying to make ends meet and seeing the price of things like Spitfire wheels keep going up and up, I would say be smart about your spending, so if you see some on a good special / decent % off discount or whatever, go for it and stock up if or where you can so you do have wheels to get you through, compared to being on one set and no back ups, so if you need a new set, you have to pay full price from where ever you can get them, be it at their door or shipped.

I have dealt with and been in both situations, so now I gotta say I always have backups of anything I like to skate, use, wear, etc.

That is just me though.



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Couldn't agree more, + Bones offers more shapes that are not available on Spits.


If I had to, the only other wheel I would recommend and use are Bones, besides Spitfire Formula Four wheels, so for anyone who might be suffering as above, definitely check out what Bones offer in terms of price, shape, availability.

An unpopular opinion and to be very blunt about it, but any and all other brands of wheels in the current market, no matter how cheap I think are just not worth it.  Sure other people are riding them and are happy, but I would say Spitfire or Bones, then everything else and there is a big enough gap between them that it does make a difference.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 17, 2024, 06:13:27 PM
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Bones really is winning by keeping their prices the same over the last few years. Also the new x formula is a legit alternative to F4.
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Couldn't agree more, + Bones offers more shapes that are not available on Spits.


If I had to, the only other wheel I would recommend and use are Bones, besides Spitfire Formula Four wheels, so for anyone who might be suffering as above, definitely check out what Bones offer in terms of price, shape, availability.

An unpopular opinion and to be very blunt about it, but any and all other brands of wheels in the current market, no matter how cheap I think are just not worth it.  Sure other people are riding them and are happy, but I would say Spitfire or Bones, then everything else and there is a big enough gap between them that it does make a difference.
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You never realize how good Bones / Spitfire are until you ride something that isn't Bones / Spitfire. They end up being serviceable at best and slippery + sticky + flatspot-y at worst.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: emotional_degloving on January 17, 2024, 06:21:40 PM
i got my first set of formula fours on monday even though ive been a spitfire soldier for a good year and a bit, 52mm Conicals. Holy fuck why have I been sleeping on these for so god damn long.

Curious though, how do you guys adapt to the change in the angle of pop? I'm coming from some worn in bigheads. I got em on Venture Lo 5.2 on 8.3 BBS which is medium all around. I usually prefer steep kicks but my current deck rota is flat cunts right now
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 17, 2024, 06:24:53 PM
I'd throw in
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Quick back story - My Local is like 60 min drive from my house - it used to be a skatepark but closed during covid now its a guy running it out of his garage. he told me he is not going to be ordering spitfires next time because they will be $90 and hes only making like $5  :'(
Also, within the past week or so, Zumiez that was only like 30 min from my house has also closed down. They have lots of F4 classics on sale still for $50 which is $20 off and spitfires seem to never go on sale around here. I might order 2 sets of Spitfires from Zumiez to put on ice just to keep me going for the next few years  :-X
I reallllly love spitfire wheels and want to support DLX. but that is probably getting to the point its too much if I will be able to get decent wheels at like 1/2 the price or even less and they are working for me I will have no choice but to change probably  :'(
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For the people who buy whatever they want whenever they want, hats off to you sir.  For everyone else who is living on a budget and trying to make ends meet and seeing the price of things like Spitfire wheels keep going up and up, I would say be smart about your spending, so if you see some on a good special / decent % off discount or whatever, go for it and stock up if or where you can so you do have wheels to get you through, compared to being on one set and no back ups, so if you need a new set, you have to pay full price from where ever you can get them, be it at their door or shipped.

I have dealt with and been in both situations, so now I gotta say I always have backups of anything I like to skate, use, wear, etc.

That is just me though.



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Bones really is winning by keeping their prices the same over the last few years. Also the new x formula is a legit alternative to F4.
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Couldn't agree more, + Bones offers more shapes that are not available on Spits.
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If I had to, the only other wheel I would recommend and use are Bones, besides Spitfire Formula Four wheels, so for anyone who might be suffering as above, definitely check out what Bones offer in terms of price, shape, availability.

An unpopular opinion and to be very blunt about it, but any and all other brands of wheels in the current market, no matter how cheap I think are just not worth it.  Sure other people are riding them and are happy, but I would say Spitfire or Bones, then everything else and there is a big enough gap between them that it does make a difference.



They each offer the same amount of shapes with six each (not counting spits full variants or the dearly departed radial / classic slims) but bones offers what spit doesn't: more variety for thin wheels, e.g., V1s, V2s (their radial slim) and V3s and arguably less overlap in their wider sizes - not everyone wants to heshride 60mm Radial Fulls for the Dolores Hill bomb you know?

The only other wheels I would toss into the mix is OJ Elite 101a in the hardline shape if you need something that feels normal like a spit (over bones feel) but isn't glassy like spit 101s/SPFs for smooth park skating; or Ricta Naturals if you like hard, chirpy, white wheels in shapes similar to bones (Ricta Mids = v5, Ricta Slims = V1s, Ricta Round = V4 Wide, etc), that feel closer to older STFs/F1s but_don't_flat.

It's hard not to just dip for F4s, if they made an F4 V5 it would be my hard wheel of choice (yes, even over you sweet radial slim).
 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 18, 2024, 05:54:05 AM
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Bones really is winning by keeping their prices the same over the last few years. Also the new x formula is a legit alternative to F4.
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Couldn't agree more, + Bones offers more shapes that are not available on Spits.
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If I had to, the only other wheel I would recommend and use are Bones, besides Spitfire Formula Four wheels, so for anyone who might be suffering as above, definitely check out what Bones offer in terms of price, shape, availability.

An unpopular opinion and to be very blunt about it, but any and all other brands of wheels in the current market, no matter how cheap I think are just not worth it.  Sure other people are riding them and are happy, but I would say Spitfire or Bones, then everything else and there is a big enough gap between them that it does make a difference.

You never realize how good Bones / Spitfire are until you ride something that isn't Bones / Spitfire. They end up being serviceable at best and slippery + sticky + flatspot-y at worst.
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Truth be told.
Tried, out of boredom, some Dial Tones and they are ok but I think they already flat spotted in 2 sessions and the feel is just off.
Spits or Bones, nothing else unless you got it for free.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 18, 2024, 07:25:35 AM
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Bones really is winning by keeping their prices the same over the last few years. Also the new x formula is a legit alternative to F4.
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Couldn't agree more, + Bones offers more shapes that are not available on Spits.
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If I had to, the only other wheel I would recommend and use are Bones, besides Spitfire Formula Four wheels, so for anyone who might be suffering as above, definitely check out what Bones offer in terms of price, shape, availability.

An unpopular opinion and to be very blunt about it, but any and all other brands of wheels in the current market, no matter how cheap I think are just not worth it.  Sure other people are riding them and are happy, but I would say Spitfire or Bones, then everything else and there is a big enough gap between them that it does make a difference.
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You never realize how good Bones / Spitfire are until you ride something that isn't Bones / Spitfire. They end up being serviceable at best and slippery + sticky + flatspot-y at worst.
Truth be told.
Tried, out of boredom, some Dial Tones and they are ok but I think they already flat spotted in 2 sessions and the feel is just off.
Spits or Bones, nothing else unless you got it for free.
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Creative is a distant 3rd, would ride them over NHS stuff, but even they are prone to flatspots. You can definitely ride them out over time but I'd rather have 1 less thing to worry about.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 18, 2024, 08:06:24 AM
Damn! This wheels are already for sale?

I'm fuckin fucked.

You guys think I should beg um to send me a set before it's too late?

I fuckin hate asking for product. I feel like hmmmm I never really did anything for those guys yet and I shouldn't ask
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 18, 2024, 08:17:20 AM
66mms were a mid 80s thing.
(https://www.juxtapoz.com/media/k2/galleries/70225/Screen_Shot_2021-11-07_at_3.49.40_PM.png)


The Big Wheel revival in the mid  90s maxed out at about 63mm with Matt Reason.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-fScEB9VU0dg/XrBaNtK-_HI/AAAAAAAALQ8/heHFj4nKIkU8sQnFYU_WDIaTQ6difek5wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/mattreasonmay01.jpg)

Exactly what I was thinking about.

66 mm with some bad ass war paint.  I like to think about Philips. He was for 100 my favorite vert guy when I was a kid.

I had his boards I had the wheels I had the trucks. Didn't have the helmet tho I wanted it. I've never had safety gear.

I bail in the half pipe I'm going to hip or running down it.

I got the screw head scars all over me.

Screws can be like little mini ice cream scoopers for hip meats.

Become blood bros with the whole crew in one bail.

Super fun
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 18, 2024, 08:26:59 AM
62s alone are going to open up so many new opertunes.

I think I'd like to see Pedro ride um. GT ride um.

I really wanna see Peter Hewitt ride um. I remember he rode the 66 too. Probably big balls as well. Lol. Definitely actually.

I hope it works out. I know I could use um
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on January 18, 2024, 08:27:54 AM
Quad post cuz I'm fuckin tripping
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: TwisT on January 18, 2024, 08:30:22 AM
I skated tons of wheels, black label, stereo, popwar, element, DGK, Chocolate, autobahn, satori, OJ, mini logo, Alien workshop, ccs, blanks, shop wheels, and tons of Ricta before I touched Bones or Spitfire and it was still night and day.

imagine if a brand like SNOT had access to Spit or Bones urethane
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on January 18, 2024, 09:09:19 AM
I skated tons of wheels, black label, stereo, popwar, element, DGK, Chocolate, autobahn, satori, OJ, mini logo, Alien workshop, ccs, blanks, shop wheels, and tons of Ricta before I touched Bones or Spitfire and it was still night and day.

imagine if a brand like SNOT had access to Spit or Bones urethane
We would have a 60mm contact surface
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 18, 2024, 09:15:39 AM
I've been so satisfied with F4s since they came out I have zero temptation to try anything else. Madness cured on that front.

Soft wheels are another matter though...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 18, 2024, 10:30:51 AM
I've been so satisfied with F4s since they came out I have zero temptation to try anything else. Madness cured on that front.

Soft wheels are another matter though...

Stepping on non-proprietary urethane is an instant disappointment; crazy how bones/spit have had a stranglehold on the market for so long (STF was king over F1, then F4 took and holds the crown).

imagine if a brand like SNOT had access to Spit or Bones urethane

If any brand should succeed / have better than average 'thane it should be snot - but that R&D is a serious investment, and no one is licensing their formulas.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on January 18, 2024, 10:46:55 AM
For me it was SC speedwheels through the mid 80s to 90s. Untouchable. Loved the feel of a 95a/ 97a Speedwheel.
--Small wheel era was super awkward until the mid 90s. Everything wore out quick.
-Then it was Spitfire until the early 2000s. Again amazing feeling wheels that really lasted... I had set of 58mms I kept going for over a year of daily skateboarding. There was one interlude with Golden State Wheels which were also amazing. A set of clear blue 99a (felt way harder) 58s.
-Then things went way south with Spitfire.... This may have been an EPA thing but the urethane went to absolute shit. I messed around with Ricta, Pi, Autobahn (Pretty decent actually) until I landed on SPF/ STF.
-STF/SPF were super impressive, fast and durable but I could never get used to the feel. SPF felt like shit outside the skatepark and STF were too unpredictable in the skatepark (I'm talking big smooth concrete bowls)
-Finally F4 hit and solved all my fucking problems. All of them. Now I can I die happy. Sure they are slower than SPFs in big smooth parks but the slip to grip ratio and the feel makes 99a F4 is super versatile. I'll occasionally use 97s in the winter (slippery indoor spots and cold rugged outdoor spots) and 101s in the summer but I could live with 99s all the time. If F4s cease to be... I'll go down with the ship.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on January 24, 2024, 06:07:43 AM
Hey @Mbrimson88 ;)

before i browse through all the catalogs.
Do you remember when the og classics F4 (natural) are supposed to be back?
From the top of my head, Spring D2 has the solid color ones

I thought they were supposed to be back in the rotation
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on January 24, 2024, 08:10:03 AM
-Finally F4 hit and solved all my fucking problems. All of them. Now I can I die happy. Sure they are slower than SPFs in big smooth parks but the slip to grip ratio and the feel makes 99a F4 is super versatile. I'll occasionally use 97s in the winter (slippery indoor spots and cold rugged outdoor spots) and 101s in the summer but I could live with 99s all the time. If F4s cease to be... I'll go down with the ship.

Every. Fucking. Word.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: ggrimmedd on January 24, 2024, 08:57:25 AM
For me it was SC speedwheels through the mid 80s to 90s. Untouchable. Loved the feel of a 95a/ 97a Speedwheel.
--Small wheel era was super awkward until the mid 90s. Everything wore out quick.
-Then it was Spitfire until the early 2000s. Again amazing feeling wheels that really lasted... I had set of 58mms I kept going for over a year of daily skateboarding. There was one interlude with Golden State Wheels which were also amazing. A set of clear blue 99a (felt way harder) 58s.
-Then things went way south with Spitfire.... This may have been an EPA thing but the urethane went to absolute shit. I messed around with Ricta, Pi, Autobahn (Pretty decent actually) until I landed on SPF/ STF.
-STF/SPF were super impressive, fast and durable but I could never get used to the feel. SPF felt like shit outside the skatepark and STF were too unpredictable in the skatepark (I'm talking big smooth concrete bowls)
-Finally F4 hit and solved all my fucking problems. All of them. Now I can I die happy. Sure they are slower than SPFs in big smooth parks but the slip to grip ratio and the feel makes 99a F4 is super versatile. I'll occasionally use 97s in the winter (slippery indoor spots and cold rugged outdoor spots) and 101s in the summer but I could live with 99s all the time. If F4s cease to be... I'll go down with the ship.

I've been using SPFs for 6 months and still can't get the hang of em, slide is too weird and unpredictable like STFs, can't complain about speed but I'd rather use a bigger F4
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on January 24, 2024, 11:39:26 AM
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-Finally F4 hit and solved all my fucking problems. All of them. Now I can I die happy. Sure they are slower than SPFs in big smooth parks but the slip to grip ratio and the feel makes 99a F4 is super versatile. I'll occasionally use 97s in the winter (slippery indoor spots and cold rugged outdoor spots) and 101s in the summer but I could live with 99s all the time. If F4s cease to be... I'll go down with the ship.
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Every. Fucking. Word.

i keep looking at the bones x stuff, maybe their softer formula would allow me to ride a 52 that could get over some crap ground, i could go back to my preferred venture lo’s.

but i know they are going to piss me off: f4s feel how i want the wheels to feel.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Yossi on January 24, 2024, 12:37:37 PM
I solely skated the Conical full 99 53s since they came out, but the shop was out, so I settled on some Radials in the same size and duro. Right away, many tricks felt easier. Fast despite using old bearings. I think Conical fulls look cooler and my board looks a little foreign to me still, but these are an excellent, versatile wheel. Any news on a Radial full 99 53?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 24, 2024, 04:31:29 PM
Hey @Mbrimson88 ;)

before i browse through all the catalogs.
Do you remember when the og classics F4 (natural) are supposed to be back?
From the top of my head, Spring D2 has the solid color ones

I thought they were supposed to be back in the rotation



Yeah I had thought they are supposed to be out around now or maybe next delivery / drop, but maybe they have been pushed back a bit more to mid year or later.

Checking now anyway...


Anyone in USA got more OG Classics in stock, or were they old stock wheels that people had bought or had seen?


For AU, Hemley shop has a few sets of the Formula Four 60 mm OG Classics in stock still.

https://hemleyskateboarding.com.au/products/formulafour-99d-ogclassics?variant=42353340776599


They do seem quite hard to come by right now.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DERBY on January 24, 2024, 04:45:55 PM
anyone find that conical fulls crap out faster than radials or classics?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2024, 04:56:51 PM
I drove/called all over my area today, after two surf/skate shops, two core shops, a mall shop, two Van's stores and two different zumiez I gave up looking local for F4 101 classics, 52mm. All they had were 99a classics and 54mm+ and nothing in 52; loads of tablets, OG classics. One Van's employee said people ask but we never carry them same for one of the core shops; one shop had 101a classics in 56mm. I would have settled for 101s in 51/53mm, hell I would have bought 103 STFs V1/V5 if they had any, just to get a hard wheels.

You know what they did have? MOUNTAINS of X99s waaaaaay more than their respective spit 99a supply, I was kinda suprised. One shop had some new V3 STF 103s tho.

The two core shops pretty much said the same thing tho 'there are too many shapes/duro combinations/it's too confusing for us let alone the customer. Both dudes even suggest trying DLX if they have a webstore. These are core shops but don't think the guys ordering are that 'core' to know what to get.

I did see some classic fulls (99a) for the first time in RL, not sure why anyone would skate radials...was tempted but they were black/99a.


Gonna order online as usual.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on January 24, 2024, 05:40:08 PM
black wheels can look cool. like the board from the ending skate scene in gleaming the cube.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 24, 2024, 05:57:05 PM
I drove/called all over my area today, after two surf/skate shops, two core shops, a mall shop, two Van's stores and two different zumiez I gave up looking local for F4 101 classics, 52mm. All they had were 99a classics and 54mm+ and nothing in 52; loads of tablets, OG classics. One Van's employee said people ask but we never carry them same for one of the core shops; one shop had 101a classics in 56mm. I would have settled for 101s in 51/53mm, hell I would have bought 103 STFs V1/V5 if they had any, just to get a hard wheels.

You know what they did have? MOUNTAINS of X99s waaaaaay more than their respective spit 99a supply, I was kinda suprised. One shop had some new V3 STF 103s tho.

The two core shops pretty much said the same thing tho 'there are too many shapes/duro combinations/it's too confusing for us let alone the customer. Both dudes even suggest trying DLX if they have a webstore. These are core shops but don't think the guys ordering are that 'core' to know what to get.

I did see some classic fulls (99a) for the first time in RL, not sure why anyone would skate radials...was tempted but they were black/99a.


Gonna order online as usual.

Same story here, Dragons / X97 / X99 just doesn't have the marketing and brand recognition of Spitfire despite having a comparable or superior product to F4. Of the guys I usually skate with the only ones who bothered with Bones / PP are those with gear madness, everyone else goes with the Formula (4) trusted for generations.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on January 24, 2024, 06:02:00 PM
I drove/called all over my area today, after two surf/skate shops, two core shops, a mall shop, two Van's stores and two different zumiez I gave up looking local for F4 101 classics, 52mm. All they had were 99a classics...

The two core shops pretty much said the same thing tho 'there are too many shapes/duro combinations/it's too confusing for us let alone the customer.

99a Classics are my jam. But I sometimes run 101a in the summer, or when skating a lot of transition (101 is just faster). That said, 101a has always been spotty for me to find in person. I almost always have to order those on-line, so, your experience is 100% consistent with mine.

And last, I have always maintained that Spitfire makes way, way, way too many wheels. Only the hawdkoah Spitfire nerds (e.g. us) can keep track of them. I worked at shop for 6 years back in the day, and man, I'd hate to be a shop employee in 2024 trying to (a) keep tabs of all the product out there, and (b) explain to customers the "differences" in 1/8th inch of wheelbase, or 1mm of riding surface, or sidecut difference between Tablets vs. OG Classics, etc.---they would rightly think I was insane. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2024, 06:06:18 PM
black wheels can look cool. like the board from the ending skate scene in gleaming the cube.

If they had been 101a I would have picked them up.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on January 24, 2024, 06:57:18 PM
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I drove/called all over my area today, after two surf/skate shops, two core shops, a mall shop, two Van's stores and two different zumiez I gave up looking local for F4 101 classics, 52mm. All they had were 99a classics...

The two core shops pretty much said the same thing tho 'there are too many shapes/duro combinations/it's too confusing for us let alone the customer.
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99a Classics are my jam. But I sometimes run 101a in the summer, or when skating a lot of transition (101 is just faster). That said, 101a has always been spotty for me to find in person. I almost always have to order those on-line, so, your experience is 100% consistent with mine.

And last, I have always maintained that Spitfire makes way, way, way too many wheels. Only the hawdkoah Spitfire nerds (e.g. us) can keep track of them. I worked at shop for 6 years back in the day, and man, I'd hate to be a shop employee in 2024 trying to (a) keep tabs of all the product out there, and (b) explain to customers the "differences" in 1/8th inch of wheelbase, or 1mm of riding surface, or sidecut difference between Tablets vs. OG Classics, etc.---they would rightly think I was insane.
I'd make an enlarged laminated copy of the Spitfire cardboard insert and push it over the counter if they ever asked.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on January 24, 2024, 07:29:43 PM
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I drove/called all over my area today, after two surf/skate shops, two core shops, a mall shop, two Van's stores and two different zumiez I gave up looking local for F4 101 classics, 52mm. All they had were 99a classics...

The two core shops pretty much said the same thing tho 'there are too many shapes/duro combinations/it's too confusing for us let alone the customer.
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99a Classics are my jam. But I sometimes run 101a in the summer, or when skating a lot of transition (101 is just faster). That said, 101a has always been spotty for me to find in person. I almost always have to order those on-line, so, your experience is 100% consistent with mine.

And last, I have always maintained that Spitfire makes way, way, way too many wheels. Only the hawdkoah Spitfire nerds (e.g. us) can keep track of them. I worked at shop for 6 years back in the day, and man, I'd hate to be a shop employee in 2024 trying to (a) keep tabs of all the product out there, and (b) explain to customers the "differences" in 1/8th inch of wheelbase, or 1mm of riding surface, or sidecut difference between Tablets vs. OG Classics, etc.---they would rightly think I was insane.
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I'd make an enlarged laminated copy of the Spitfire cardboard insert and push it over the counter if they ever asked.


There is a nice info card out with the more recent Radial Full wheels for shop people to put on the counter or where ever they wish, as well as other shop related info on shapes and sizes that DLX provides to distributors to provide to shop accounts too, so they do all the hard work for you.

Then I guess it is just having whatever size and shape the person wants, especially given the newer chart has all sizes, more often than not some that are not available except in special editions or whatever minimal releases come out, but sometimes NOT having a list of all options can be helpful and just have them look at what is in the wheel cabinet, which is usually good enough for most people with just Classics, Radial, Conical Full, Radial Full shaped wheels.

Knowing what your average customer is into really helps there too, so you don't have a ton of "special wheels" sitting there for a long time, but as said, some shops don't even really know what to order, or are just hoping they will get enough of whatever wheels will sell the most.


Those 52 mm Classic 101s might sell out faster than most, which is why there might not be any / many in stock in places you might go.

That or a lot of shops just go with the 99s to be safe and leave it at that.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on January 24, 2024, 08:41:39 PM
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black wheels can look cool. like the board from the ending skate scene in gleaming the cube.
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If they had been 101a I would have picked them up.

looks like you, me and sedition are the only ones occasionally buying f4 101s. shop guys tried to talk me out of them, i was dead set on skating a 52 (or smaller, i was on venture lo’s at the time). so walked out with 52 conical fulls, 101s. first reaction was that i had made a bad mistake, too hard. the wheels broke in a bit and were great. i’m not a conical full person, i like classics, but the wider shape did help the small
wheel roll over some stuff.
blah blah. 101s are real decent
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on January 24, 2024, 08:51:39 PM
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black wheels can look cool. like the board from the ending skate scene in gleaming the cube.
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If they had been 101a I would have picked them up.
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looks like you, me and sedition are the only ones occasionally buying f4 101s. shop guys tried to talk me out of them, i was dead set on skating a 52 (or smaller, i was on venture lo’s at the time). so walked out with 52 conical fulls, 101s. first reaction was that i had made a bad mistake, too hard. the wheels broke in a bit and were great. i’m not a conical full person, i like classics, but the wider shape did help the small
wheel roll over some stuff.
blah blah. 101s are real decent

I'm just back into bluntslides of late and 99s/x97s anything other than 101 spits or 103a stfs don't work for as well for me..my stfs are 50mm or under (so you know how that is) even spit 101s take a back seat to the stfs for bluntslides but would rather have the f4s for 'everything' else just based on feel; I've some 101a ricta slims on hand but they're grippier than either of the aforementioned wheels.

It was just a bummer that everything was 99a regardless of brand. Might have to just dip back to the one shop that had the STF V3s and give TJ Rogers some support.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Anxiety on February 05, 2024, 05:01:34 PM
Call me Borat cause these are very nice

(https://i.ibb.co/FXmNkC3/99-F08900-D47-D-4543-B385-0-C6-B106-FAA69.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: swellbowed on February 21, 2024, 09:35:11 AM
Spitfire getting into the denim game  :o
https://www.instagram.com/p/C3ne_7LOpRA/?img_index=1 (https://www.instagram.com/p/C3ne_7LOpRA/?img_index=1)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: FUBAR on February 21, 2024, 05:28:40 PM
Just dropping in to say I love my F4 conical fulls in 52mm. I wanted to get some Classics but they didn’t have them, so grabbed the conical fulls. I found myself just skating around the park faster than I normally would(but felt comfy), hitting random stuff and kinda carving around. So, somehow, a fatter wheel has made skateboarding a little more fun for me.
Bye now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BartHarleyJarvis on February 21, 2024, 06:17:26 PM
Just dropping in to say I love my F4 conical fulls in 52mm. I wanted to get some Classics but they didn’t have them, so grabbed the conical fulls. I found myself just skating around the park faster than I normally would(but felt comfy), hitting random stuff and kinda carving around. So, somehow, a fatter wheel has made skateboarding a little more fun for me.
Bye now.

The best wheel. It’s all I’ve been riding for a couple years. I flirted with radials and classics but 52 conical full just feels perfect
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on February 21, 2024, 06:23:58 PM
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Just dropping in to say I love my F4 conical fulls in 52mm. I wanted to get some Classics but they didn’t have them, so grabbed the conical fulls. I found myself just skating around the park faster than I normally would(but felt comfy), hitting random stuff and kinda carving around. So, somehow, a fatter wheel has made skateboarding a little more fun for me.
Bye now.
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The best wheel. It’s all I’ve been riding for a couple years. I flirted with radials and classics but 52 conical full just feels perfect


i loved my 52 conical fulls (101s even).
but. i hated 54 conical fulls.
54 classics, love those.
the narrower shape of classics makes them flip/scoop etc etc better, for me.
something about the larger conical fulls (56 is the biggest i tried), i just couldn’t scoop those for shit.

blah blah blah.
classics are the best for me, but smaller/wider wheels are fun too.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 21, 2024, 06:57:19 PM
52mm Conicals suffice in lieu of Radial Slims **SHAKES FIST AT THE SKY**
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 21, 2024, 08:06:38 PM
Holy fuck, you guys. You’re NOT helping my madness right now. For some inane, obtuse, and debilitating reason, I got the equally inane idea that I should try 52mm wheels again this afternoon. I’ve been down this road many times before, and it only ends in despair, disappointment, and frustration. “But no! This time I’ll try something other than a 52mm Classic! That will work, right?!!” Then I log on here and see all this banter about 52mm Full Connies. Great. Just great.  Fuck all y’all right now! ;)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on February 21, 2024, 11:57:53 PM
Holy fuck, you guys. You’re NOT helping my madness right now. For some inane, obtuse, and debilitating reason, I got the equally inane idea that I should try 52mm wheels again this afternoon. I’ve been down this road many times before, and it only ends in despair, disappointment, and frustration. “But no! This time I’ll try something other than a 52mm Classic! That will work, right?!!” Then I log on here and see all this banter about 52mm Full Connies. Great. Just great.  Fuck all y’all right now! ;)
Can't express how much I loved this post.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 22, 2024, 02:43:43 AM
Holy fuck, you guys. You’re NOT helping my madness right now. For some inane, obtuse, and debilitating reason, I got the equally inane idea that I should try 52mm wheels again this afternoon. I’ve been down this road many times before, and it only ends in despair, disappointment, and frustration. “But no! This time I’ll try something other than a 52mm Classic! That will work, right?!!” Then I log on here and see all this banter about 52mm Full Connies. Great. Just great.  Fuck all y’all right now! ;)


The 52 mm Conical Ful wheels would work perfectly on the Venture trucks on that other 8.5 deck, wouldn't they???

Sorry that was too easy, but I actually have that combo set up too and two other people swear by that combination.


I like Conical Full shaped wheels in smaller sizes, with the 52 or 53 mm size working nicely on smaller stuff / more tech setups, but I know others swear by them in 54 mm in any situation too.  Anything over 54 mm and they just feel too big and bulky for me, but when I round them down a lot, they work well on the bigger boards with wider trucks and look more proportionate.

Just down to what you are used to and what you want out of a wheel.

Gotta say I still like Classics a lot too, but more so when they have worn down a few mm from bigger sizes, eg 56 down to 53 is perfect for me.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Sedition on February 22, 2024, 07:12:38 AM
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Holy fuck, you guys. You’re NOT helping my madness right now. For some inane, obtuse, and debilitating reason, I got the equally inane idea that I should try 52mm wheels again this afternoon. I’ve been down this road many times before, and it only ends in despair, disappointment, and frustration. “But no! This time I’ll try something other than a 52mm Classic! That will work, right?!!” Then I log on here and see all this banter about 52mm Full Connies. Great. Just great.  Fuck all y’all right now! ;)
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The 52 mm Conical Ful wheels would work perfectly on the Venture trucks on that other 8.5 deck, wouldn't they???

Sorry that was too easy, but I actually have that combo set up too and two other people swear by that combination.


I like Conical Full shaped wheels in smaller sizes, with the 52 or 53 mm size working nicely on smaller stuff / more tech setups, but I know others swear by them in 54 mm in any situation too.  Anything over 54 mm and they just feel too big and bulky for me, but when I round them down a lot, they work well on the bigger boards with wider trucks and look more proportionate.

Just down to what you are used to and what you want out of a wheel.

Gotta say I still like Classics a lot too, but more so when they have worn down a few mm from bigger sizes, eg 56 down to 53 is perfect for me.

I hate the look of big fat wide wheels. It's full-on Monster Truck absurdity. And clunky, too. I'm actually in the throes of an "episode" of wheel madness right now. Conicals. Radials. Classics. And I hate looking at my board with the Conicals and Radials on it. The wide riding surface does ride a bit smoother, though. Mixed feelings on straighter-cut profiles. Def locks-in better on some things (which I both like and hate), but I don't like the way they just ride, it's like they are the wheel equivalent of tight-trucks (e.g. board feels too "tight" on a side-to-side feel, esp. when any flip trick/revert/slide gets involved). They Radials are a good compromise between Conicals and Classics, but the size is still just a bit clunky to me. Imagine if they made something like a...Radial Slim. :)

54mm starts to Ghost Pop on my 8.25 (love them on my 8.75, though). 52mm starts to feel too slow and low (only had 52mm Classics, though). 53mm just seems perfect. Also, am I really being that much of a princess over 1mm +/-? Apparently.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on February 22, 2024, 07:13:29 AM
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Holy fuck, you guys. You’re NOT helping my madness right now. For some inane, obtuse, and debilitating reason, I got the equally inane idea that I should try 52mm wheels again this afternoon. I’ve been down this road many times before, and it only ends in despair, disappointment, and frustration. “But no! This time I’ll try something other than a 52mm Classic! That will work, right?!!” Then I log on here and see all this banter about 52mm Full Connies. Great. Just great.  Fuck all y’all right now! ;)
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Gotta say I still like Classics a lot too, but more so when they have worn down a few mm from bigger sizes, eg 56 down to 53 is perfect for me.
I have found regular (non full) radials in your preferred size starts out like a worn down classic of a bigger size, in case you want that feeling from the get go.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on February 22, 2024, 07:31:28 AM
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Holy fuck, you guys. You’re NOT helping my madness right now. For some inane, obtuse, and debilitating reason, I got the equally inane idea that I should try 52mm wheels again this afternoon. I’ve been down this road many times before, and it only ends in despair, disappointment, and frustration. “But no! This time I’ll try something other than a 52mm Classic! That will work, right?!!” Then I log on here and see all this banter about 52mm Full Connies. Great. Just great.  Fuck all y’all right now! ;)
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The 52 mm Conical Ful wheels would work perfectly on the Venture trucks on that other 8.5 deck, wouldn't they???

Sorry that was too easy, but I actually have that combo set up too and two other people swear by that combination.


I like Conical Full shaped wheels in smaller sizes, with the 52 or 53 mm size working nicely on smaller stuff / more tech setups, but I know others swear by them in 54 mm in any situation too.  Anything over 54 mm and they just feel too big and bulky for me, but when I round them down a lot, they work well on the bigger boards with wider trucks and look more proportionate.

Just down to what you are used to and what you want out of a wheel.

Gotta say I still like Classics a lot too, but more so when they have worn down a few mm from bigger sizes, eg 56 down to 53 is perfect for me.
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I hate the look of big fat wide wheels. It's full-on Monster Truck absurdity. And clunky, too. I'm actually in the throes of an "episode" of wheel madness right now. Conicals. Radials. Classics. And I hate looking at my board with the Conicals and Radials on it. The wide riding surface does ride a bit smoother, though. Mixed feelings on straighter-cut profiles. Def locks-in better on some things (which I both like and hate), but I don't like the way they just ride, it's like they are the wheel equivalent of tight-trucks (e.g. board feels too "tight" on a side-to-side feel, esp. when any flip trick/revert/slide gets involved). They Radials are a good compromise between Conicals and Classics, but the size is still just a bit clunky to me. Imagine if they made something like a...Radial Slim. :)

54mm starts to Ghost Pop on my 8.25 (love them on my 8.75, though). 52mm starts to feel too slow and low (only had 52mm Classics, though). 53mm just seems perfect. Also, am I really being that much of a princess over 1mm +/-? Apparently.

fat wheels look stupid.

classics look cool.
(60mm fat classics….look cool).

ghost pop doesn’t get me (nollie tre fling attempts notwithstanding), until about 56. but i dramatically prefer the flippery on 50s, but i, also dramatically, do not prefer the rolling capacity of a sub 52mm wheel.
none of it matters, i haven’t been landing shit. my wheels could be triangles rn and it wouldn’t change a thing.
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Post by: Sedition on February 22, 2024, 07:44:06 AM
...(nollie tre fling attempts notwithstanding)...

The ultimate ghost pop trick. People who actually pop these are doing them...wrong.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on February 22, 2024, 08:46:05 AM
I don't know, it somehow kinda seems like my feet become sore quicker with wide, conical wheels. They feel kinda heavier and clunkier and I feel like gravity affects me more than with slimmer wheels. Am I just mad?

And bring back the f*cking Radial Slim already, please.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 22, 2024, 01:35:38 PM
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Holy fuck, you guys. You’re NOT helping my madness right now. For some inane, obtuse, and debilitating reason, I got the equally inane idea that I should try 52mm wheels again this afternoon. I’ve been down this road many times before, and it only ends in despair, disappointment, and frustration. “But no! This time I’ll try something other than a 52mm Classic! That will work, right?!!” Then I log on here and see all this banter about 52mm Full Connies. Great. Just great.  Fuck all y’all right now! ;)
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Gotta say I still like Classics a lot too, but more so when they have worn down a few mm from bigger sizes, eg 56 down to 53 is perfect for me.
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I have found regular (non full) radials in your preferred size starts out like a worn down classic of a bigger size, in case you want that feeling from the get go.


Yeah I definitely have a good number of various sized Radial shaped wheels around.

They are the nice middle ground between Classics and everything else and I can put them on and not have to do anything at all to them and they skate just fine, usually 53, 54, 55, 56 mm sizes, but I also have a set each of the 57, special 57.7 which are really just 58 somewhere here too, just in case someone wants a bigger wider wheel that is not a really full shape.


More often than not I am mixing and matching between old returned wheels I reshape - Conical Full 54 mm in particular - which come up really well with more rounded edges in about the 52 to 53 mm size, but if I did have only new wheels, I think Radial would be the shape right from go in 53 to 54 mm for everything.

That's my wheel shape madness.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 22, 2024, 02:06:55 PM
Spitfire getting into the denim game  :o
https://www.instagram.com/p/C3ne_7LOpRA/?img_index=1 (https://www.instagram.com/p/C3ne_7LOpRA/?img_index=1)

Spit and like Venture Thrasher and Orchard are really all I've worn for soft goods since my 20s.
Anything that said East on it I was buying it back then. My all-time favorite was a hammer and sickle Volcom shirt. I wore it for like a decade.
I got my vintage Think shirt and a Big East wheels shirt still.

Spit I feel is the Top shit. No sweatshirt in skatebloarding has been made this year that can top that Olive Swirl. I'm definitely copping one.

I feel like I have to. The joy I've received from my two recent 97a purchases can't be put into words really. I need a new Thrasher X Venture beanie. Mine should be retired soon.

I have had Hopps stuff not long ago. I like that stuff. Id rock FTP and Adored shirts if I see um.
Id be really stoked for a black zip up FTP hoodie. That would kill. I can't wait to see who they X with in the future. What a great looking brand.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on February 22, 2024, 04:21:24 PM
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...(nollie tre fling attempts notwithstanding)...
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The ultimate ghost pop trick. People who actually pop these are doing them...wrong.

i haven’t gotten a good one in like a decade, and i go a looooong time without thinking about them. but my last attempts were so heinous….
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Obijuan91 on February 26, 2024, 04:52:41 PM
are the f4 classics always so yellow fresh out of the packaging? Got som semi fresh handmi downs a while back and the logo was damn near still intact but the wheel was already so yellow
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 26, 2024, 06:33:00 PM
I don’t know if many of you guys follow 144p here on Instagram.

But some lower duro F4s have been popping up, 93d in a radial shape. Sounds interesting for a crust beater
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 27, 2024, 01:22:51 AM
are the f4 classics always so yellow fresh out of the packaging? Got som semi fresh handmi downs a while back and the logo was damn near still intact but the wheel was already so yellow

Idk if it's because they are 97 but both of my recent sets are still white as rice.
One of my older 99a wheels stayed whit up until recently. They're.issing like 8mmm too.
I think it just varies case to case
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 27, 2024, 01:25:31 AM
I don’t know if many of you guys follow 144p here on Instagram.

But some lower duro F4s have been popping up, 93d in a radial shape. Sounds interesting for a crust beater

I'm happy with my 97s but im so down to try um
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smg1138 on February 27, 2024, 01:51:35 PM
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are the f4 classics always so yellow fresh out of the packaging? Got som semi fresh handmi downs a while back and the logo was damn near still intact but the wheel was already so yellow
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Idk if it's because they are 97 but both of my recent sets are still white as rice.
One of my older 99a wheels stayed whit up until recently. They're.issing like 8mmm too.
I think it just varies case to case

I always felt like the harder Spitfire F4's had more of a yellow tint than the softer ones. Not sure if I'm just imaging that though.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 27, 2024, 04:53:29 PM
I don’t know if many of you guys follow 144p here on Instagram.

But some lower duro F4s have been popping up, 93d in a radial shape. Sounds interesting for a crust beater


I hadn't seen anything, but I am often not in the right place at the right time either, as far as these things.

Rad if they do bring out a few other options, because I think there is a market for them.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: onkalo on February 27, 2024, 05:16:50 PM
95a f4 classic fulls would be dope
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 27, 2024, 07:42:04 PM
I just realized that the OG classic is the old Ground Round wheel from i think 89?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Daydream on February 28, 2024, 04:44:37 AM
I don’t know if many of you guys follow 144p here on Instagram.

But some lower duro F4s have been popping up, 93d in a radial shape. Sounds interesting for a crust beater
def interested to see how a 93d spitfire is and in comparison to dragons
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on February 28, 2024, 07:27:41 AM
I don’t know if many of you guys follow 144p here on Instagram.

But some lower duro F4s have been popping up, 93d in a radial shape. Sounds interesting for a crust beater

Source? Nothing about this on any Spitfire channel, nor did I find anything about this upon searching the innerwebz.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on February 28, 2024, 10:49:07 AM
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I don’t know if many of you guys follow 144p here on Instagram.

But some lower duro F4s have been popping up, 93d in a radial shape. Sounds interesting for a crust beater
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Source? Nothing about this on any Spitfire channel, nor did I find anything about this upon searching the innerwebz.

It says right there, I saw all around good guy @144p post up a sample set, on Instagram. Kept it vague in case he wasn’t meant to do so yet.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Obijuan91 on February 28, 2024, 11:50:36 AM
I feel I seen the other shapes hold up their color but the classics always seem nasty ass yellow. Would like a bigger size maybe stay more white like a 54mm? Cuz I know the harder duro is supposed to stay whiter tho
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on February 28, 2024, 07:27:34 PM
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I don’t know if many of you guys follow 144p here on Instagram.

But some lower duro F4s have been popping up, 93d in a radial shape. Sounds interesting for a crust beater
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Source? Nothing about this on any Spitfire channel, nor did I find anything about this upon searching the innerwebz.
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It says right there, I saw all around good guy @144p post up a sample set, on Instagram. Kept it vague in case he wasn’t meant to do so yet.


A while back now Andrew Reynolds posted in his story, 95 duro F4 wheels to try.  Never heard anything more from that but someone screenshot it and it is back somewhere in here too.

They are definitely out there and people, pro or shop guys alike usually get some to try and give feedback so they can adjust or fine tune them before anything actually comes out.


This was the post:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=82118.msg4018694;topicseen#msg4018694



Sidenote: I saw this reynolds story a few weeks ago and just thought of it now. I wonder if Spitfire is brewing a response.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52282017570_38f61d70a3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nDZ1m3)





I feel I seen the other shapes hold up their color but the classics always seem nasty ass yellow. Would like a bigger size maybe stay more white like a 54mm? Cuz I know the harder duro is supposed to stay whiter tho


I think it is just down to age of wheels, more than certain batches, even though that does seem to have some part to play in it too, looking back at some wheels I have, but more than anything, urethane cures / colours when under uv light, so in a shop cabinet or just out in the sun for longer means that they will be more yellow than some other wheels too.

Keeping wheels out of direct light, or in a dark place means they tend to keep their pale colour longer, but looking at some different wheels, more recent sets that have come out appear a lot lighter in colour, compared to some of the earlier wheels, even from a year or so ago, from new.

The more additives, the more likely they will stay lighter, more pure urethane, more likely they will yellow or colour up too.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: curb_cut on February 28, 2024, 09:53:24 PM
anyone notice black (i'd assume same for any other color too) F4s to be a tad softer and grippier than the natural colored ones?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on February 28, 2024, 11:23:09 PM
anyone notice black (i'd assume same for any other color too) F4s to be a tad softer and grippier than the natural colored ones?
Actually I felt the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Síota on February 29, 2024, 07:37:45 AM
My old man knee's are waiting for them 95a F4's!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on February 29, 2024, 07:37:30 PM
anyone notice black (i'd assume same for any other color too) F4s to be a tad softer and grippier than the natural colored ones?

Yes; after a while my 99a blk conicals ended up feeling really dead compared to regular spit 99s.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on February 29, 2024, 10:07:39 PM
I feel I seen the other shapes hold up their color but the classics always seem nasty ass yellow. Would like a bigger size maybe stay more white like a 54mm? Cuz I know the harder duro is supposed to stay whiter tho

idk. i just took a look. my 101s are by far the brownest. the 99s are all over the place. i just noticed i rode all but the most recent retiree to almost exactly the same size. when i can touch thumb and middle finger around the wheel its a wrap. looks to be about 50-48mm. i fricking burn about 5-8mm a year it looks like.

i found out that when you put away the 97a wheel after riding them a bit they slide better the second time around. i say this because i watched a lot of wheel reviews before buying and they was always shocked about the slide on the second opinion test. " i dont remember them sliding that nice.... theyre sliding better than the 99a example?!?!?"

i had to take the chance. and im very stoked. im going to the park tomorrow. its going to be near 60 and its the first of the month. DAMN i made too many purchases this past month. I got 5 shows coming up and the records dropping as soon as we find distro. ITS ALL HAPPENING IN 24!!!

i am curious to see what spit comes up with in 93a. the dragons had issues on moist ground. if they can avoid that and they slide a bit then im in for sure. i love soft so long as they can be controlled. i dont even slide that much now i think of it. only when evasive action is needed. im usually thinkimg damn i need should have done that faster. one more try.

i took the 97a down the Gallows Hill paved paths. I did the 50%er right next to the park from the Witches' Crack with the loose trucks conversion it was pretty sweet. then i did the lil boomerang curve right next to it. i got a little whobble. mmmm. got the feeling you get sometimes when you hit the bottom right. mmmm. like you might loop out and the imaginary white water is about to catch up with you. best shit on earth
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on February 29, 2024, 11:31:53 PM
Am I the only one who actually really likes the way Spits turn potato yellow? I don't have a problem with ultra-white wheels but I prefer them gnarly yellowed. All things must pass and age should be proudly shown.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on February 29, 2024, 11:42:35 PM
Am I the only one who actually really likes the way Spits turn potato yellow? I don't have a problem with ultra-white wheels but I prefer them gnarly yellowed. All things must pass and age should be proudly shown.
I'm on the same boat as you.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Síota on March 01, 2024, 12:14:41 AM
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Am I the only one who actually really likes the way Spits turn potato yellow? I don't have a problem with ultra-white wheels but I prefer them gnarly yellowed. All things must pass and age should be proudly shown.
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I'm on the same boat as you.
Same, bright white wheels look like toy store shit or something
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Jogging José on March 01, 2024, 08:17:45 AM
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Am I the only one who actually really likes the way Spits turn potato yellow? I don't have a problem with ultra-white wheels but I prefer them gnarly yellowed. All things must pass and age should be proudly shown.
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I'm on the same boat as you.
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Same, bright white wheels look like toy store shit or something

Same, I hate bright white wheels with a passion. I guess it comes from my disdain for bright white pickguards on electric guitars. Potato Spits remind me of my well worn vintage guitars…
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 01, 2024, 03:48:43 PM
I've tested a few sets of the 93a f4, very similar feel to the dragon wheels.
So far ive had conical full 54/56 and radial 56. I like them a lot, great for the streets.
They're calling them Soft Sliders, no idea when they might release.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Can he read on March 01, 2024, 03:50:07 PM
I've tested a few sets of the 93a f4, very similar feel to the dragon wheels.
So far ive had conical full 54/56 and radial 56. I like them a lot, great for the streets.
They're calling them Soft Sliders, no idea when they might release.

Hopefully they haven’t settled on that name 😬
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 01, 2024, 04:01:49 PM
I recommended crust burners but no response. 
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Can he read on March 01, 2024, 04:26:21 PM
I recommended crust burners but no response.

Ah see that’s a good one! Soft sliders might be good for marketing as it literally describes the product to someone who may not otherwise know what they’re looking for but it’s pretty terrible for anyone who has to ask their local shop if they’re in stock
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 01, 2024, 06:04:40 PM
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Am I the only one who actually really likes the way Spits turn potato yellow? I don't have a problem with ultra-white wheels but I prefer them gnarly yellowed. All things must pass and age should be proudly shown.
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I'm on the same boat as you.

I just think staph infection. Especially in the summer. Put in like 4+ hrs in 90⁰ all Skating around thinking don't touch my face! Don't scratch the skin! Can't stop wont stop.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 01, 2024, 06:18:47 PM
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I've tested a few sets of the 93a f4, very similar feel to the dragon wheels.
So far ive had conical full 54/56 and radial 56. I like them a lot, great for the streets.
They're calling them Soft Sliders, no idea when they might release.
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Hopefully they haven’t settled on that name 😬

They should call um Slayers.
Have neckface do some twisted ass black metal graphic of decapitated skate one mascots. Or maybe just the berserker who saved us from the gold g rated hydrant hopping salamander.

Salamander Slayers.

We could draw up a cartoon ad that has someone putting one on a technique 1200 and playing the 93a slayer backwards. "666... 666....666

Maybe put the swirl on but Super impose grooves on it like and album?

Idk
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 01, 2024, 11:07:50 PM
I recommended crust burners but no response.

Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on March 02, 2024, 01:13:45 AM
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I recommended crust burners but no response.
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Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.

Yeah, I don't know, I feel like the younger guys aren't really even that much aware of especially the X-Formulas. They seem to cater more for the middle age market. All hypes naturally die down at some point and for sure some peeps will go back to F4s, but there is certainly a segment (myself included) who will keep the X-Formulas/Dragons as a permament part of their wheel quiver. Not necessarily as something to replace F4, but as a welcome addition to cater for various purposes.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on March 02, 2024, 07:02:07 AM
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I recommended crust burners but no response.
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Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.
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Yeah, I don't know, I feel like the younger guys aren't really even that much aware of especially the X-Formulas. They seem to cater more for the middle age market. All hypes naturally die down at some point and for sure some peeps will go back to F4s, but there is certainly a segment (myself included) who will keep the X-Formulas/Dragons as a permament part of their wheel quiver. Not necessarily as something to replace F4, but as a welcome addition to cater for various purposes.
I have heard the entire Late Nite Stars guys have all switched to dragons. Makes sense for the streets of NY and I think they also like it for the bonus irony points of being on trend guys riding dragons.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 02, 2024, 07:21:51 AM
At my shop it’s split probably 60% hard wheels and 40% softer wheels, meaning f4 97/oj nomad 95/dragons 93/ x formula 97.
A lot of people are curious, pretty rough ground in Washington and to access some of the spots it’s a necessity to ride something softer than 99.
A lot of people love dragon wheels here, it’s crazy how fast they are too if you’ve never tried them. But the downsides are obvious if you skate parks/transition or metal edged ledges/curbs.
The f4 93 I tested weren’t as grabby on the metal as the dragons though, I like them a lot. Just not enough to only want to skate them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Síota on March 02, 2024, 07:55:32 AM
At my shop it’s split probably 60% hard wheels and 40% softer wheels, meaning f4 97/oj nomad 95/dragons 93/ x formula 97.
A lot of people are curious, pretty rough ground in Washington and to access some of the spots it’s a necessity to ride something softer than 99.
A lot of people love dragon wheels here, it’s crazy how fast they are too if you’ve never tried them. But the downsides are obvious if you skate parks/transition or metal edged ledges/curbs.
The f4 93 I tested weren’t as grabby on the metal as the dragons though, I like them a lot. Just not enough to only want to skate them.
How did the 93's slide?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 02, 2024, 08:10:16 AM
Very well on rough ground, not so good on smooth. Typical of that durometer, with too much friction meaning ground that is even and smooth it feels like it can’t break free to slide as easily as when the ground is rougher asphalt where it’s bumpier and they can slide easier.  Still slid while bombing hills but I wasn’t as confident to slide on blacktop.
The street ledges and curbs slid very well, skatepark ledges not so much.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Síota on March 02, 2024, 08:28:02 AM
Very well on rough ground, not so good on smooth. Typical of that durometer, with too much friction meaning ground that is even and smooth it feels like it can’t break free to slide as easily as when the ground is rougher asphalt where it’s bumpier and they can slide easier.  Still slid while bombing hills but I wasn’t as confident to slide on blacktop.
The street ledges and curbs slid very well, skatepark ledges not so much.
Well for a crusty curb/ledge set-up they sound perfect then! Normal 99's for everything else. I don't think there ever will be an does all perfect wheel. Like there will always be advantageous and disadvantages with them.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on March 02, 2024, 08:32:20 AM
Very well on rough ground, not so good on smooth. Typical of that durometer, with too much friction meaning ground that is even and smooth it feels like it can’t break free to slide as easily as when the ground is rougher asphalt where it’s bumpier and they can slide easier.  Still slid while bombing hills but I wasn’t as confident to slide on blacktop.
The street ledges and curbs slid very well, skatepark ledges not so much.
Do you prefer them to the 97a? Also, do you think a hypothetical 95a could still cover rough ground but be able to slide on ledges?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 02, 2024, 08:42:36 AM
Slide better than the 97s for sure. I would choose the 93 over the 97.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Shoebox on March 02, 2024, 08:54:41 AM
So are regular radials like worn down classics?

I want like a worn in 55mm classic, would a 53 radial be like this or should I just get some classics and skate them down?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 02, 2024, 08:56:49 AM
That’s a fair comparison. About the same width.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on March 02, 2024, 11:40:59 AM
Were they more grabby than 97a spits on metal coping/rails
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: minilogoflow on March 02, 2024, 11:53:27 AM
I've tested a few sets of the 93a f4, very similar feel to the dragon wheels.
So far ive had conical full 54/56 and radial 56. I like them a lot, great for the streets.
They're calling them Soft Sliders, no idea when they might release.

Interesting marketing decision considering Powell already has "Soft Slide Formula" for some of their longboard/downhill wheels like the Snakes and G Slides. Crust burner definitely sounds a lot cooler.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 02, 2024, 12:04:24 PM
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Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.

Those who found a use case for them, use them, lots probably didn't bother.

Hype for anything new drops off (Ishod's shoe(s) lol ;)) - Take Flight and VX decks, doubtful they are popular now with anyone but older heads and board breakers - I know a board breaker who skates nothing but VX, flights only if he can't get VX...(cuz powell shapes suck...they've got one good one per size in the flight sect); he also doesn't manual so razor tailing of a $90 thin deck isn't an issue for him.

As always, use the right tool for the job. Break boards? VX/flight. Skate lots of double sided curbs? Rails. Skate shitty terrain? Dragons/Xformula. Slide a lot? Slicks. Crazy switch game? Twins. Skate smooth plaza/parks? 101/103s. Want board feel? Vulcs. Want more impact protection? Cups.. Etc..
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on March 02, 2024, 12:16:41 PM
93 Spits sound interesting but is there a point getting them if I already like the dragons? Maybe if they're cheaper and perform similarly. I like Spitfire shapes a bit more than Powell/Bones. Radial/Rf in 93 would be dreamy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Zane on March 02, 2024, 02:50:33 PM
At my shop it’s split probably 60% hard wheels and 40% softer wheels, meaning f4 97/oj nomad 95/dragons 93/ x formula 97.
A lot of people are curious, pretty rough ground in Washington and to access some of the spots it’s a necessity to ride something softer than 99.
A lot of people love dragon wheels here, it’s crazy how fast they are too if you’ve never tried them. But the downsides are obvious if you skate parks/transition or metal edged ledges/curbs.
The f4 93 I tested weren’t as grabby on the metal as the dragons though, I like them a lot. Just not enough to only want to skate them.

Did they give you any idea of a release date?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 02, 2024, 03:29:35 PM
93 Spits sound interesting but is there a point getting them if I already like the dragons? Maybe if they're cheaper and perform similarly. I like Spitfire shapes a bit more than Powell/Bones. Radial/Rf in 93 would be dreamy.


I guess more than anything it is to have a Spitfire brand wheel in that duro, as there are a lot of people who are either on Spitfire or only ride Spitfire, so they can enjoy a wheel in that duro, without having to sneak in a set of blanked other brand wheels.  Funny how others might have done that with Formula Four if they were on other brands - actually seen and know a few people in that situation, just like some guys skated different brand boards and painted or stickered them.

But anyway, back to Spitfire, they had Soft Ds which worked well enough, but were not Formula Four wheels, then the 97 duro wheels came out and they are great for a lot of things, so I would think a softer duro Formula Four wheel would be a welcome addition to the brands wheel options and would definitely be getting some in Classic, Radial or Conical Full shape to try, or maybe all three shapes in different sizes.

Just wait and see I guess.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 02, 2024, 04:08:00 PM
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At my shop it’s split probably 60% hard wheels and 40% softer wheels, meaning f4 97/oj nomad 95/dragons 93/ x formula 97.
A lot of people are curious, pretty rough ground in Washington and to access some of the spots it’s a necessity to ride something softer than 99.
A lot of people love dragon wheels here, it’s crazy how fast they are too if you’ve never tried them. But the downsides are obvious if you skate parks/transition or metal edged ledges/curbs.
The f4 93 I tested weren’t as grabby on the metal as the dragons though, I like them a lot. Just not enough to only want to skate them.
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Did they give you any idea of a release date?
Nope, still developing.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 02, 2024, 06:16:59 PM
93 Spits sound interesting but is there a point getting them if I already like the dragons? Maybe if they're cheaper and perform similarly. I like Spitfire shapes a bit more than Powell/Bones. Radial/Rf in 93 would be dreamy.

Depends on what you are skating? All things being equal with rebound/crust but if the 93a spits handle metal better for pinch/slides/etc., and that's what you are into and find the x-formula lacking there, why not?

As someone who wasn't a fan of the 97a formula four (didn't like the slide), I'm not holding my breath for the 93 spits, especially since my use case for 93s isn't critical, x99s do fine.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 02, 2024, 06:57:55 PM
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I recommended crust burners but no response.
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Crust Burners and I think of amateur pizza chefs

Anyone feel like the hype around Dragons and X-Formula 97a / 99a has died down and everyone is just going back to F4? Only the older gear nerds bother with Powell / Bones stuff, all the younger guys have stuck with F4s. New stuff is always going to move the sales chart but I wonder if Spitfire investing all this money for R&D is worth it.
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Yeah, I don't know, I feel like the younger guys aren't really even that much aware of especially the X-Formulas. They seem to cater more for the middle age market. All hypes naturally die down at some point and for sure some peeps will go back to F4s, but there is certainly a segment (myself included) who will keep the X-Formulas/Dragons as a permament part of their wheel quiver. Not necessarily as something to replace F4, but as a welcome addition to cater for various purposes.
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I have heard the entire Late Nite Stars guys have all switched to dragons. Makes sense for the streets of NY and I think they also like it for the bonus irony points of being on trend guys riding dragons.

i don’t even know who the Late Nite Stars guys are! i kinda love this. i don’t know what the cool things are.


how long for my dragons to wear down? i got 55s and they are huuuuuuuge heavy and fast.  it rad to flip attempt tho. they are so soft and comfy i don’t want to take them off.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 02, 2024, 07:12:09 PM

how long for my dragons to wear down?


Get busy
https://youtu.be/3MqGcx5mecc?si=xwux-d4f3dHF7dIo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Ok on March 02, 2024, 08:14:21 PM
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how long for my dragons to wear down?
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Get busy
https://youtu.be/3MqGcx5mecc?si=xwux-d4f3dHF7dIo


so good.
i feel like i gotta get this low to make my dragons slide.


i live in Washington and 144p is per usual, very correct in that soft wheels open up a ton of spots.
once i learn how to speed check on dragons i’ll all in. i’m shit at tricks, don’t need hard wheels.




probably gonna set up some 52 conical fulls tomorrow.
spitfire still the goat for me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on March 03, 2024, 03:01:58 AM
After a winter of being on some dragons at the indoor, I put on an old set of 97a radial fulls since I'm too broke to try the x97's right now and they feel amazing. Nothing like some broken-in potato F4's. All these newer ones are white, what's up with that?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 03, 2024, 10:42:45 AM
After a winter of being on some dragons at the indoor, I put on an old set of 97a radial fulls since I'm too broke to try the x97's right now and they feel amazing. Nothing like some broken-in potato F4's. All these newer ones are white, what's up with that?

Yeah...my last set of 99a lockins (from the last drop) were REALLY white by F4 standards...

Next to new (probably new old stock tho) spit classics; they also felt muuuuuch harder than my 99a black conicals

(https://i.ibb.co/4MD5L0T/IMG-5810.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4MD5L0T)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 03, 2024, 11:10:36 AM
I have noticed at the shop the colors of the wheels vary a lot. I have a theory about the less common shapes like the lock in full/radial full that they are smaller runs so the urethane mixture is a smaller batch and maybe more accurate? Classics and conical full are the most popular and common shapes so they tend to be made in larger batches and maybe when making that many sets it’s tougher to dial in the ingredients and quantity.

Mind you this is just me spouting shit and not based off anything said by anyone at dlx.

I do tend to look for the browner ones when I get new wheels and it makes me feel like they are somehow better but probably not.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 03, 2024, 04:17:57 PM
I also prefer the browner/ yellower F4s both to look at and ride. Can’t stand bright white wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: logjammin on March 03, 2024, 07:42:13 PM
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After a winter of being on some dragons at the indoor, I put on an old set of 97a radial fulls since I'm too broke to try the x97's right now and they feel amazing. Nothing like some broken-in potato F4's. All these newer ones are white, what's up with that?
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Yeah...my last set of 99a lockins (from the last drop) were REALLY white by F4 standards...

Next to new (probably new old stock tho) spit classics; they also felt muuuuuch harder than my 99a black conicals

(https://i.ibb.co/4MD5L0T/IMG-5810.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4MD5L0T)

Someone should DM thiebaud and ask if they're putting white dye in them now lol. I actually don't mind white wheels, it's just when it comes to F4's specifically, their signature schtick isn't just the performance, but that natural urethane color which sets them apart. Especially when they were first released because no one else was doing it. Then Bones started using a shade of dye to make them look like natural urethane lol.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: OhioGuy on March 03, 2024, 07:44:45 PM
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After a winter of being on some dragons at the indoor, I put on an old set of 97a radial fulls since I'm too broke to try the x97's right now and they feel amazing. Nothing like some broken-in potato F4's. All these newer ones are white, what's up with that?
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Yeah...my last set of 99a lockins (from the last drop) were REALLY white by F4 standards...

Next to new (probably new old stock tho) spit classics; they also felt muuuuuch harder than my 99a black conicals

(https://i.ibb.co/4MD5L0T/IMG-5810.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4MD5L0T)
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Someone should DM thiebaud and ask if they're putting white dye in them now lol. I actually don't mind white wheels, it's just when it comes to F4's specifically, their signature schtick isn't just the performance, but that natural urethane color which sets them apart. Especially when they were first released because no one else was doing it. Then Bones started using a shade of dye to make them look like natural urethane lol.
They have to be. My Lock-In Fulls are white, not off white like the other ones.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 03, 2024, 09:50:08 PM
Slide better than the 97s for sure. I would choose the 93 over the 97.

You got me going now. I believe you. I love softer wheels. Spent a good partof my life relying on them to get arounf the city once Beloved the raleigh chopper passed away. Was a reissue all aluminum frame too. Custom seat. Now its the center piece of a garden. I lost two West coast chopper bikes right before that. And i had given my vintage 26" to brother Joe ACAB. Soft wheels and ceramics was a mando move.

Im head over heels for my 97a 58mm Conical Full. It seems like the best wheel ive ever had in my life. Second being the Radial Full in 54.

Itd be sick if they did did like powell and reissued a few old wheel shapes. You know for the OGs. Limited thing. DO like smokies for the 90s cats. With the modern shapes.
I feel like the wider shapes will perform best..
as 93a dragons that are 58x 33 "A" cut side walls (rat bone 2) bend.
ive ridden 4 different wheel shapes on my 5.8s

only the dragons will Lego Lock the double sided curb and chuck a pal. All the wheels do with the 6.1. good bye front 50s.
The wider 97s up stay with wheel corners on the edge of the inside opposite true lock. Its a fine line. A fine fine line.

I hate using the laptop to Slap. I feel like there a mind lock on me. Its like running in a nightmare. Gaining no ground in this muck. Send for golf shoes immediately
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 03, 2024, 10:03:52 PM
So are regular radials like worn down classics?

I want like a worn in 55mm classic, would a 53 radial be like this or should I just get some classics and skate them down?

exactly that. The og Classic feels pretty much that too. Wide contact rounded edge. Og is a worn classic with weight relief in my minds wheel chart. 
I think the Radial regs comes in 57mm as the tallest size i think. Id skate the shit outa that thing.

Im 110% a OG/Coni Pal as my first choice shape. I like to grind. the friction free side cut is all flat bars best friend for especially cross locks on flat bars. Pool coping too i believe. Radials have a tendency to throw me up on the deck until the wheels been grinded flat on the inside part. same with curved ledges. Id prob go lock in 57mm as my third choice these days
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on March 10, 2024, 09:46:07 AM
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels?sort_by=created-descending

some new stuff (Spring drop 2?):
52 mm Classsic - Jerry Hsu
53/56 mm Conical Full - Breanna
54 mm Conical - Sci-Fi Fantasy

OG Classics come in colors:
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-99a-og-classic-skateboard-wheels?variant=43753648554169
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 10, 2024, 05:44:12 PM
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So are regular radials like worn down classics?

I want like a worn in 55mm classic, would a 53 radial be like this or should I just get some classics and skate them down?
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exactly that. The og Classic feels pretty much that too. Wide contact rounded edge. Og is a worn classic with weight relief in my minds wheel chart. 
I think the Radial regs comes in 57mm as the tallest size i think. Id skate the shit outa that thing.

Im 110% a OG/Coni Pal as my first choice shape. I like to grind. the friction free side cut is all flat bars best friend for especially cross locks on flat bars. Pool coping too i believe. Radials have a tendency to throw me up on the deck until the wheels been grinded flat on the inside part. same with curved ledges. Id prob go lock in 57mm as my third choice these days


I like Classics when they are down a mm or two as well, which definitely feels a lot like Radials with that added width and slightly more grab on to coping.

Others I skate with don't like how easily Classics or any rounded edge wheel get on and off coping or edges, so they are more in the OG Classic / Conical Full and sometimes even Tablet type of wheel, but I guess anything with more of a sharper edge on top, often with a wider surface, but more commonly with a cutaway to the inside of the wheel, which is the main difference between any of those and the Classic / Radial shapes, which are more rounded from the bearing through to the outside edge.

As to which wheel is better, if you can get your hands on Radials in 53 or 54 mm sizes, sure, but if all you have access to is Classics, then a 54 to 55 mm classic might take a bit longer to wear down / given you a longer life of wheel anyway, but at some point, it will feel much more like a Radial as you wear them down.


OG Classics / Conical shaped wheels get really sharp on the edges after wearing down a few mm, which is why I use a grinder and round off the sharp bits on older wheels to recycle them into decent smaller wheels.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 10, 2024, 08:34:43 PM
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels?sort_by=created-descending

OG Classics come in colors:
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-99a-og-classic-skateboard-wheels?variant=43753648554169

Bad.Ass

Shame they don't make more size options for each color.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rocklobster on March 11, 2024, 01:07:41 AM
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https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels?sort_by=created-descending

OG Classics come in colors:
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-99a-og-classic-skateboard-wheels?variant=43753648554169
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Bad.Ass

Shame they don't make more size options for each color.

Sticking to even numbers 52 / 54 /56 makes sense from a SKU perspective, 53 and to a lesser extent 55 are less popular and always on clearance so it'd make sense for them to shrink their product range.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 11, 2024, 09:48:55 AM
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https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels?sort_by=created-descending

OG Classics come in colors:
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-99a-og-classic-skateboard-wheels?variant=43753648554169
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Bad.Ass

Shame they don't make more size options for each color.
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Sticking to even numbers 52 / 54 /56 makes sense from a SKU perspective, 53 and to a lesser extent 55 are less popular and always on clearance so it'd make sense for them to shrink their product range.

That's different sizing, I want more colors in the same size :) I'd jump on some 52s if they were blue.

Anyone find these at a reasonable price? USD $54.58 (including shipping) is not happening.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rawbertson. on March 12, 2024, 08:24:03 AM
so are big beatdowns just XL sized special run classics?
lol 66mm wheel, better have double risers for that on indy standard
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DonkeyRhubarb on March 12, 2024, 01:44:29 PM
Any wide contact patch enjoyers moved to classics and found them ok balance wise / not too tippy or spill inducing?

Currently riding 55MM/99A OG classics which I'm really liking. Before that was split between Conical Fulls and Nano Cubics, as I like the stability of a wider contact patch. But curious about regular classics, as I've never had a set. I should probably just stick with the OG classics, but a bit less weight and easier flip tricks seems appealing (assuming it doesn't enhance eating shit quotient).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: smg1138 on March 12, 2024, 02:11:11 PM
Any wide contact patch enjoyers moved to classics and found them ok balance wise / not too tippy or spill inducing?

Currently riding 55MM/99A OG classics which I'm really liking. Before that was split between Conical Fulls and Nano Cubics, as I like the stability of a wider contact patch. But curious about regular classics, as I've never had a set. I should probably just stick with the OG classics, but a bit less weight and easier flip tricks seems appealing (assuming it doesn't enhance eating shit quotient).

As a wide contact patch enjoyer, I always hate regular classics when they're new. The narrow contact patch is really narrow and I can't stand it until the wheel wears down a reasonable amount. I'm a big fan of Radials because they feel like a worn down Classic right out of the box without being crazy square like Conicals.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DonkeyRhubarb on March 12, 2024, 02:21:27 PM
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Any wide contact patch enjoyers moved to classics and found them ok balance wise / not too tippy or spill inducing?

Currently riding 55MM/99A OG classics which I'm really liking. Before that was split between Conical Fulls and Nano Cubics, as I like the stability of a wider contact patch. But curious about regular classics, as I've never had a set. I should probably just stick with the OG classics, but a bit less weight and easier flip tricks seems appealing (assuming it doesn't enhance eating shit quotient).
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As a wide contact patch enjoyer, I always hate regular classics when they're new. The narrow contact patch is really narrow and I can't stand it until the wheel wears down a reasonable amount. I'm a big fan of Radials because they feel like a worn down Classic right out of the box without being crazy square like Conicals.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 12, 2024, 04:24:48 PM
so are big beatdowns just XL sized special run classics?
lol 66mm wheel, better have double risers for that on indy standard


Sure are.

I think the pic has been posted before, so just the link this time, but at 41.3 wide with 25.6 riding surface, they are a big and wide wheel all up, more like the Classic Full or Bighead overall dimensions, for anyone who has had those before, especially the original Bighead in 63 mm, not the new slimmer shape ones that are out now.

Fun?  Gimmick?  Crazy?   Could be all of them, but I know from seeing other similar sized wheels, they can be so good to skate too, usually on 1/2" risers like an 80s board.


https://www.spitfirewheels.com/spring24/05-sf-sp24-d1.jpg




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Any wide contact patch enjoyers moved to classics and found them ok balance wise / not too tippy or spill inducing?

Currently riding 55MM/99A OG classics which I'm really liking. Before that was split between Conical Fulls and Nano Cubics, as I like the stability of a wider contact patch. But curious about regular classics, as I've never had a set. I should probably just stick with the OG classics, but a bit less weight and easier flip tricks seems appealing (assuming it doesn't enhance eating shit quotient).
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As a wide contact patch enjoyer, I always hate regular classics when they're new. The narrow contact patch is really narrow and I can't stand it until the wheel wears down a reasonable amount. I'm a big fan of Radials because they feel like a worn down Classic right out of the box without being crazy square like Conicals.
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Cheers!


I would be going for Radial over Classic too, if you were more used to OG Classics or wider profile wheels.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: minilogoflow on March 12, 2024, 05:47:32 PM
A buddy of mine rides for our local shop and got a sample set of the new 93a formula. Forgot to get pictures but his are 54mm classic shape, had the graphic like lil smokies minus the flame head and had 93a formula four on it. I only skated them for a few minutes but first impressions are good. They feel kinda similar to the the f4 97a, more of a hard wheel feel rather than the softer feel of dragons. They held speed really well and even felt a bit faster than f4 97a imo. Did a couple power slides on them too and they break into slides without having to dig in too hard. I just pumped around the bowl and skated some transition so didn't get to feel how they felt on pinched grinds or on rough ground. According to my friend he hasn't had problems with grinds and said they go over crust great. If the production sets turn out like these or better, spitfire has something really good cooked up. These will definitely fill the void for people who want to try dragon type wheels but are loyal to spitfire.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 12, 2024, 07:39:14 PM
Sounds ideal and likely a better option than the 97s. Thanks for review.
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Post by: Daydream on March 12, 2024, 09:00:11 PM
Definitely sounds good.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: munchbox on March 12, 2024, 10:53:26 PM
every now and then i contemplate trying og classics
why would i like them more than radials?
comparing both sizes in 52mm
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on March 12, 2024, 10:53:38 PM
My friend at the local shop got a set of 56 radial 93as. Only rolled around out front in them. I’d say they feel soft for sure, much softer and smoother than a 97a. Slide great. Feel kinda like a dragon but more spitfire-y if that makes sense, which in my opinion is definitely a good thing

Didn’t test drag, speed and smoothness side to side with other wheels on different terrain. But if they’re not too grabby, and aren’t too gummy on smooth surfaces, could be a great option
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Paco Supreme on March 13, 2024, 01:00:56 AM
every now and then i contemplate trying og classics
why would i like them more than radials?
comparing both sizes in 52mm

I didn’t but hey I like a rounded edge, need a wheel I can bonk.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: rikki on March 13, 2024, 01:29:17 AM
Rounded edge rules, I feel they are more versatile as wheels. Plus my old ass feet seem to get sore quicker with clunky sharp edge wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on March 13, 2024, 03:00:46 AM
Wish F4 OG classics were easy to find here, local shop is in lie support apparently :(
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: minilogoflow on March 13, 2024, 07:10:12 AM
My friend at the local shop got a set of 56 radial 93as. Only rolled around out front in them. I’d say they feel soft for sure, much softer and smoother than a 97a. Slide great. Feel kinda like a dragon but more spitfire-y if that makes sense, which in my opinion is definitely a good thing

Didn’t test drag, speed and smoothness side to side with other wheels on different terrain. But if they’re not too grabby, and aren’t too gummy on smooth surfaces, could be a great option

A more spitefire-y dragon sounds about right haha. Fwiw my local park that I tried them out at is really smooth and they didn't have that soft cruiser board feel like dragons do there.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: fs1/2cab on March 13, 2024, 09:27:27 AM
Wish F4 OG classics were easy to find here, local shop is in lie support apparently :(

I am not 100% sure if they will ship to you, but I found a few from German shops.

https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform (https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on March 13, 2024, 09:31:48 AM
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I am not 100% sure if they will ship to you, but I found a few from German shops.

https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform (https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform)
Thx but €68 is way too much for F4, here you find them usually for €52 but mostly classics, tablets and CF. Just the other day I got some tablets which are not my fav shape but couldn't say no for €27
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Síota on March 13, 2024, 10:11:49 AM
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I am not 100% sure if they will ship to you, but I found a few from German shops.

https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform (https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform)
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Thx but €68 is way too much for F4, here you find them usually for €52 but mostly classics, tablets and CF. Just the other day I got some tablets which are not my fav shape but couldn't say no for €27
The prices have gone up in the EU. €65+ is the normal now unfortunately.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 13, 2024, 10:16:51 PM
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I am not 100% sure if they will ship to you, but I found a few from German shops.

https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform (https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform)
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Thx but €68 is way too much for F4, here you find them usually for €52 but mostly classics, tablets and CF. Just the other day I got some tablets which are not my fav shape but couldn't say no for €27
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The prices have gone up in the EU. €65+ is the normal now unfortunately.


Everywhere actually, newest drop now being another 10% or more on top of what they were before, so for Australia, that is now from $80 - $90 to then $90 to $100 and now looking at $100 to $110 for the next lot.

I guess it is just one of those things - everything is going up - but for some people I can understand that starts to make things unaffordable for them.

At least looking for any sale, percentage off discount or whatever else, eg online coupons, now become even more important to get things for less, even ebay 15% off or something really makes a big difference when they have those sales too.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: BALARGUE on March 14, 2024, 05:49:04 AM
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Wish F4 OG classics were easy to find here, local shop is in lie support apparently :(
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I am not 100% sure if they will ship to you, but I found a few from German shops.

https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform (https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform)
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Thx but €68 is way too much for F4, here you find them usually for €52 but mostly classics, tablets and CF. Just the other day I got some tablets which are not my fav shape but couldn't say no for €27
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The prices have gone up in the EU. €65+ is the normal now unfortunately.

new releases are 75€ in France :-\
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on March 14, 2024, 06:08:04 AM
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Wish F4 OG classics were easy to find here, local shop is in lie support apparently :(
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I am not 100% sure if they will ship to you, but I found a few from German shops.

https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform (https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform)
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Thx but €68 is way too much for F4, here you find them usually for €52 but mostly classics, tablets and CF. Just the other day I got some tablets which are not my fav shape but couldn't say no for €27
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The prices have gone up in the EU. €65+ is the normal now unfortunately.
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new releases are 75€ in France :-\
I was bugging about them going for $45-50 but some shops in the US are still selling for $40. If someone is buying 3+ pairs of SFs, it’s sadly cheaper to get them shipped from an American store.

Maybe, DLX can eventually expand to pouring wheels in China to reduce costs for the rest of the world. If I had to pay 75 euros, I would only skate 58-60 mm to get my money’s worth.

Were colors always a thing with F4? Outside of pro wheels, I never saw colored wheels in catalogs or in bigger shops.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0018/1832/9147/files/sf-cp-wh-F4-99-RADIAL-BLACK-52copy.jpg?v=1707503745&width=600)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0018/1832/9147/files/SpitfireConicalFullMint.jpg?v=1707943972&width=600)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0018/1832/9147/files/sf-cp-wh-F4-99-CLASSIC-BLACK-52copy.jpg?v=1707503134&width=600)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on March 14, 2024, 06:47:21 AM


Maybe, DLX can eventually expand to pouring wheels in China to reduce costs for the rest of the world. If I had to pay 75 euros, I would only skate 58-60 mm to get my money’s worth.



my man i've been doing just that for the last 5 years when they were like 50 euros

bones x formula wheels looking kinda nice rn
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Síota on March 14, 2024, 06:52:23 AM
Fuck me I just saw that the big beatdowns are 85 euro in France. Thank fuck I skate 52's and have a few sets.

Source of the price:
https://vegaskateshop.fr/shop/skateboard/roues/roue-street/roues-skateboard-spitfire-formula-4-big-beatdowns-62mm-99a/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 14, 2024, 06:57:45 AM
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Wish F4 OG classics were easy to find here, local shop is in lie support apparently :(
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I am not 100% sure if they will ship to you, but I found a few from German shops.

https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform (https://bonkers-shop.com/de/products/spitfire-formular-four-og-classics-green-52mm-99a-wheels?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=9030137f2&pr_rec_pid=8658232901948&pr_ref_pid=8658278613308&pr_seq=uniform)
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Thx but €68 is way too much for F4, here you find them usually for €52 but mostly classics, tablets and CF. Just the other day I got some tablets which are not my fav shape but couldn't say no for €27
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The prices have gone up in the EU. €65+ is the normal now unfortunately.
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new releases are 75€ in France :-\
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I was bugging about them going for $45-50 but some shops in the US are still selling for $40. If someone is buying 3+ pairs of SFs, it’s sadly cheaper to get them shipped from an American store.

Maybe, DLX can eventually expand to pouring wheels in China to reduce costs for the rest of the world. If I had to pay 75 euros, I would only skate 58-60 mm to get my money’s worth.

Were colors always a thing with F4? Outside of pro wheels, I never saw colored wheels in catalogs or in bigger shops.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0018/1832/9147/files/sf-cp-wh-F4-99-RADIAL-BLACK-52copy.jpg?v=1707503745&width=600)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0018/1832/9147/files/SpitfireConicalFullMint.jpg?v=1707943972&width=600)
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Lightly a thing. Orange is my shit for sure but spit always gets fancy with the orange. Making orange and pink or orange and red. Spanky got an oraanfe wheel not long ago. Was too small for me tho.

These colours pictured make me think this

Fuck you Powell black
Fuck you Snot icey blue
Fuck you twice Powell black
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: roba on March 14, 2024, 07:11:29 AM
Fuck me I just saw that the big beatdowns are 85 euro in France. Thank fuck I skate 52's and have a few sets.

Source of the price:
https://vegaskateshop.fr/shop/skateboard/roues/roue-street/roues-skateboard-spitfire-formula-4-big-beatdowns-62mm-99a/

pinch me
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 14, 2024, 07:47:42 AM
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Fuck me I just saw that the big beatdowns are 85 euro in France. Thank fuck I skate 52's and have a few sets.

Source of the price:
https://vegaskateshop.fr/shop/skateboard/roues/roue-street/roues-skateboard-spitfire-formula-4-big-beatdowns-62mm-99a/
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pinch me

I still haven't seen um.
I can't justify purchase still. It sucks but I gotta eat. I still don't wanna have a boss. Or co workers..or customers... Eating trash few times a month is worth having totally command of my existence. Never borrow and try not to ask for shit.
Cuz that's ugliest. Being a bum and asking people for loans or charity is FUCKIN FUCKED to my brain.
Gotta pay to play yo. Really want um but I probably would just ride um once a month when hills are available.
Massachusetts is largely flat. I know you're probably thinking bullshit but most bad ass like get you fearing for your life hills are not ideal. Less you wanna burn out a shoe avoiding a dead end all day.  God help you if someone turns the corner on the t stop and you gotta plant without wobbles to avoid a head on with a person who thinks fuckin invasion!

You gotta get up north to like Conway area.
Or There's a killer hill next to weirs Beach where the family trailer is. I think it's rt 9. It's right on the lake straight and smooth. Started bombing it in the mid 80s when I was trapped on family vacation. See yah at dinner skater haters. Im grabbing bandages and the hydrogen peroxide now so I don't gotta come back under any circumstances period.

Endless roll out. Puts you right where the beach is. The sand collects on the lowest level so it's almost always clean.
Hit that fuckin shit all day.
Also there skate parks everywhere now. So I can disappoint my family extra by only coming around when it's time to swim and eat. Typical Flea instinctual behaviors.

I still need tho. I giggle thinking about it. The 62 is probably more my shit but can you see me tearing ass going 45+ all fuckin day in my studded vest and swim trunks.

Is weed legal in NH? If I can blaze at the same time. With my current Purps. Might break on through to the other side. Welcome back Mr cotter. You found the secret tape as well as where the government hides interdimensional travel.

Thanks High Speed!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on March 14, 2024, 08:05:35 AM
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Fuck me I just saw that the big beatdowns are 85 euro in France. Thank fuck I skate 52's and have a few sets.

Source of the price:
https://vegaskateshop.fr/shop/skateboard/roues/roue-street/roues-skateboard-spitfire-formula-4-big-beatdowns-62mm-99a/
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pinch me
Thank God I don't live in France
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on March 14, 2024, 02:31:23 PM
OK, I got a case of madness. I am starting to doubt my eyesight. Are OG classics fully symmetrical or slightly asymmetrical?

(https://cdn.skatedeluxe.com/thumb/WrPXfIrC2yp9AnPvDKAXIl2_PaI=/fit-in/600x700/filters:fill(white):brightness(-4)/product/155283-0-Spitfire-FormulaFourOGClassics.jpg)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 14, 2024, 03:38:55 PM

Were colors always a thing with F4? Outside of pro wheels, I never saw colored wheels in catalogs or in bigger shops.



I think there have mostly been a few colour options from drop to drop, but definitely not as many as used to come out, when every drop had a lot of coloured staples, not just one off here or there.


Also depends on the shop or even the distributor in various places as to what you would see or not see.  Some shops will never get coloured wheels, others get any and every option and lots of them, depending on what might sell well, or what the customer base prefers too.



OK, I got a case of madness. I am starting to doubt my eyesight. Are OG classics fully symmetrical or slightly asymmetrical?



@tuesday All the wheels in the range besides Lock Ins (and Lock in Fulls) are symmetrical in shape, so you can skate them either way and they should be the same.

That is not to say that some might be a little here or there, as I have found in the past, but I think certain pics or angles of pics can also highlight one side more than the other, which then makes people question what they know.

Any time I took pics of wheels I had machined down, they always looked bigger / rounder on one side and people would often ask why I did that, but by eye, not picture, they are the same.


* When I am setting up a board, I will always check after I put bearings in and sit the wheel on the axle both ways just to see and sometimes there is one thread showing from one side, two from the other side, but I really don't think there is anything to worry about.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on March 14, 2024, 11:31:17 PM
@Mbrimson88 thanks a lot for the clarification! Was really helpful.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 15, 2024, 03:55:11 PM
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https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels?sort_by=created-descending

OG Classics come in colors:
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-99a-og-classic-skateboard-wheels?variant=43753648554169
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Bad.Ass

Shame they don't make more size options for each color.
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Sticking to even numbers 52 / 54 /56 makes sense from a SKU perspective, 53 and to a lesser extent 55 are less popular and always on clearance so it'd make sense for them to shrink their product range.
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That's different sizing, I want more colors in the same size :) I'd jump on some 52s if they were blue.

Anyone find these at a reasonable price? USD $54.58 (including shipping) is not happening.



For those stateside SoCal has these at regular price and some cool new red/white swirlies (that have since been removed from the site).
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: SLACKERPARTY on March 15, 2024, 05:05:48 PM
ik it’s been said a bunch but when a 60mm classic wears down to 55-57mm. its just the perfect width

was skating conicals and didnt really like how they locked in. classics are alot more forgiving imo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 15, 2024, 07:03:39 PM
OK, I got a case of madness. I am starting to doubt my eyesight. Are OG classics fully symmetrical or slightly asymmetrical?

(https://cdn.skatedeluxe.com/thumb/WrPXfIrC2yp9AnPvDKAXIl2_PaI=/fit-in/600x700/filters:fill(white):brightness(-4)/product/155283-0-Spitfire-FormulaFourOGClassics.jpg)

Mine are grindered too much to tell. They're almost like lock ins now.

I wanna say that I noticed they are but in a way that you gotta look that the tooling on the sides to really see.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
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https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels?sort_by=created-descending

OG Classics come in colors:
https://nocomplyatx.com/collections/wheels/products/spitfire-formula-four-99a-og-classic-skateboard-wheels?variant=43753648554169
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Bad.Ass

Shame they don't make more size options for each color.
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Sticking to even numbers 52 / 54 /56 makes sense from a SKU perspective, 53 and to a lesser extent 55 are less popular and always on clearance so it'd make sense for them to shrink their product range.
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That's different sizing, I want more colors in the same size :) I'd jump on some 52s if they were blue.

Anyone find these at a reasonable price? USD $54.58 (including shipping) is not happening.


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For those stateside SoCal has these at regular price and some cool new red/white swirlies (that have since been removed from the site).
The swirlies are listed again but those are of the Classic formula—not F4.

TGM has their colored OG Classics for $45 shipped:
https://tgmskateboards.com/skateboards-longboard/skateboards/wheels/
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on March 16, 2024, 10:36:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/4ugJFP2.jpeg)
Reynolds 93
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 16, 2024, 10:43:10 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/4ugJFP2.jpeg)
Reynolds 93

My hairs are on end
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 16, 2024, 02:35:15 PM
Siiiiiick. I loved my dragons but let's be honest they didn't slide that great. If these slide even a small bit better I'll be so happy.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Nth syd bear on March 16, 2024, 03:48:37 PM
Yo. Shit just got interesting  ::)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 16, 2024, 04:45:32 PM
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I wonder if they are just a sample set, or they are actually in full production now???

Thinking they are in full production if they are in a card and shrink wrap package like that, but who knows.

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 16, 2024, 07:05:54 PM
I'm curious about one thing. Will changing direction over a barely wet surface make you eat totally shit like the dragons do?

With the dragon any trace of damp will cause you to slip out

The 97s spits have zero problems with soaking wet surfaces I did it the other night. Might've been yesterday?

For a dry warm day tho. Those 58x33 dragons fuckin slide. I prefer them to the stf and the spf for slides. I love it all tho. A slide is a slide. It just so happened that f4 of all three current formulas is the top slide.

It's fuckin perfect amount of grip and slip.   :o Id marry it if I didn't already get married to macaroni and cheese in the 3rd grade.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 16, 2024, 07:09:23 PM
Soft sliders is a dope name tho.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on March 16, 2024, 11:57:00 PM
I'm curious about one thing. Will changing direction over a barely wet surface make you eat totally shit like the dragons do?

With the dragon any trace of damp will cause you to slip out

The 97s spits have zero problems with soaking wet surfaces I did it the other night. Might've been yesterday?

For a dry warm day tho. Those 58x33 dragons fuckin slide. I prefer them to the stf and the spf for slides. I love it all tho. A slide is a slide. It just so happened that f4 of all three current formulas is the top slide.

It's fuckin perfect amount of grip and slip.   :o Id marry it if I didn't already get married to macaroni and cheese in the 3rd grade.

If you really try to then you probably will. I never experienced this with dragons and I usually skate at pretty high speeds because I love to cruise around haulin ass and we've bunch of hills for downhill action. F4 97s definitely grip better but they're also noticeably slower everywhere.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DarkPools on March 17, 2024, 01:06:07 AM
Those (presumably) samples Spanky got have a noticeably whiter finish to the wheel than the traditional yellower/browner finish on F4 wheels that we're used to seeing. Unless, I'm confusing it with the wrapping. That may turn some off, but if they work, HELL YEAH!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: moonordie on March 17, 2024, 02:44:44 AM
Wonder why Reynolds was the chosen face for 93. I would expect somebody like... Idk, but not him for sure. Always stoked to see Boss stuff
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tuesday on March 17, 2024, 03:30:52 AM
Total consumerism, but I am hooked already. Can't wait.
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Post by: Daydream on March 17, 2024, 05:18:36 AM
Need
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: 144p on March 17, 2024, 07:30:09 AM
Classic and radial shapes will be available early next month.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Fartknocker415 on March 17, 2024, 08:09:33 AM
Wonder why Reynolds was the chosen face for 93. I would expect somebody like... Idk, but not him for sure. Always stoked to see Boss stuff

Just a theory but maybe because he is older pro and the new genre of softer wheels that still slide is kinda catered to older skaters because the softer wheels are more gentle on the joints
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: camel filters on March 17, 2024, 08:32:34 AM
Those (presumably) samples Spanky got have a noticeably whiter finish to the wheel than the traditional yellower/browner finish on F4 wheels that we're used to seeing. Unless, I'm confusing it with the wrapping. That may turn some off, but if they work, HELL YEAH!
The newer F4's of all durometers have all been noticeably whiter from what I've seen. I'm talking batches from about 6 months ago to now.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: DarkPools on March 17, 2024, 11:02:01 AM
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Those (presumably) samples Spanky got have a noticeably whiter finish to the wheel than the traditional yellower/browner finish on F4 wheels that we're used to seeing. Unless, I'm confusing it with the wrapping. That may turn some off, but if they work, HELL YEAH!
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The newer F4's of all durometers have all been noticeably whiter from what I've seen. I'm talking batches from about 6 months ago to now.

Interesting! I have 4 sets I bought well over a year ago (maybe longer?) on good holiday sales before the drastic price jumps on skate goods occurred. They're all a shade of the yellower hue.

Have you or anyone else noticed these recent batches with whiter finishes performing any differently? I would think not, but I'm curious
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: WideFeet on March 17, 2024, 12:24:21 PM
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Those (presumably) samples Spanky got have a noticeably whiter finish to the wheel than the traditional yellower/browner finish on F4 wheels that we're used to seeing. Unless, I'm confusing it with the wrapping. That may turn some off, but if they work, HELL YEAH!
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The newer F4's of all durometers have all been noticeably whiter from what I've seen. I'm talking batches from about 6 months ago to now.
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Interesting! I have 4 sets I bought well over a year ago (maybe longer?) on good holiday sales before the drastic price jumps on skate goods occurred. They're all a shade of the yellower hue.

Have you or anyone else noticed these recent batches with whiter finishes performing any differently? I would think not, but I'm curious

Yes, all F4’s are whiter.

I would guess they made that decision based on Powell/Bones making their wheels off-white/tan colored like Spitfire was doing

I honestly missed having white wheels.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 17, 2024, 03:38:27 PM
Wonder why Reynolds was the chosen face for 93. I would expect somebody like... Idk, but not him for sure. Always stoked to see Boss stuff

Maybe he was pushing them for it? Plus he's an older dude he (like Prod and tons of other pros) have been low key using them so maybe they're after that old knee demographic ;); hell Bones even called out The Boss for riding dragons a while back on insta. Also 'Soft Sliders' isn't targeting young bucks, that's for sure.

Or, they're just hooking up The Boss on the first release to line his pockets as everyone that was shy on dragons/x99s (not matter how good they are) and didn't bother with them will on these...because branding.

Either way people are going to be setting up them, soft sliders on them easy riders… what’s next for thunders? Trucks that turn like indy called  Quietstorms?

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: boofactory on March 17, 2024, 04:24:50 PM
Talked to the secret tape who just got a pair of 93s and he confirmed that they do in fact, SLIDE! My right knee is really looking forward to trying some. If I don’t keep them on my main board, I’m sure they feel great on my film board. Been using the 97s for years on my main set up
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 17, 2024, 04:25:32 PM
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Those (presumably) samples Spanky got have a noticeably whiter finish to the wheel than the traditional yellower/browner finish on F4 wheels that we're used to seeing. Unless, I'm confusing it with the wrapping. That may turn some off, but if they work, HELL YEAH!
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The newer F4's of all durometers have all been noticeably whiter from what I've seen. I'm talking batches from about 6 months ago to now.
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Interesting! I have 4 sets I bought well over a year ago (maybe longer?) on good holiday sales before the drastic price jumps on skate goods occurred. They're all a shade of the yellower hue.

Have you or anyone else noticed these recent batches with whiter finishes performing any differently? I would think not, but I'm curious


The brand new ones all still skate exactly the same, from sets I have had, so no difference or issues there.


Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 17, 2024, 04:42:46 PM
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I'm curious about one thing. Will changing direction over a barely wet surface make you eat totally shit like the dragons do?

With the dragon any trace of damp will cause you to slip out

The 97s spits have zero problems with soaking wet surfaces I did it the other night. Might've been yesterday?

For a dry warm day tho. Those 58x33 dragons fuckin slide. I prefer them to the stf and the spf for slides. I love it all tho. A slide is a slide. It just so happened that f4 of all three current formulas is the top slide.

It's fuckin perfect amount of grip and slip.   :o Id marry it if I didn't already get married to macaroni and cheese in the 3rd grade.
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If you really try to then you probably will. I never experienced this with dragons and I usually skate at pretty high speeds because I love to cruise around haulin ass and we've bunch of hills for downhill action. F4 97s definitely grip better but they're also noticeably slower everywhere.

I can handle a little speed loss. And I ain't dumpster firing Powell. I just can't be trusting those wheels it's a bummer.

I should have followed my guy and went big foot. Those wheels are sexy af. I love stf. It's just has to be really big. The besttwo wheels I had in my life before f4 was by Powell. I still got my black street bones.

Unfortunately the #1 DTF ditch tech got stolen shortly after copping. They was basically radial fulls.

Nothing is ever going to beat the OG shape for me. Maybe a 58-60mm conical regs. Think those only go to 57 tops. Maybe I'm thinking about tabs
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 17, 2024, 04:52:53 PM
Wonder why Reynolds was the chosen face for 93. I would expect somebody like... Idk, but not him for sure. Always stoked to see Boss stuff

Look what he just did for NB#. Even people who was culturally against are rocking um now. Non skaters too.

I could be wrong but Reynolds still seems to be a reasonably hot commodity. Definitely plays a roll in my choice to wear until something better happens. If something better happens.

I even bought g6s in July 2018. It was my 40th birthday too. I thought he must care about his feet. Then I put them on and heard Beagle going "the age of pointy painful little shoes" I thought fuckin shelltoes was right there I picked these fuckin things.

Behold the power of the boss.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 17, 2024, 04:53:24 PM
Any guess to when these will be available?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 17, 2024, 05:05:16 PM
Any guess to when these will be available?

Gotta be soon. I've never seen anyone demoing wheels show off the boxing. Probably a while till we get shapes. I'm curious to see what happens. Especially since Powell dragons sold heavily.

I believe that because crust is spreading rapidly as we get further from the smooth streets of the 90s. Pretty soon there might be only one way. Crust crustier man remember when this plaza was nice?

I feel like the third has been on us since like 2012. Boston just happens to be lucky. We always will have a buttery ledge with a ground choice. I'm about bricks always have been.

I dream of Spanish stone rollaways tho. Someday I'll see it.  Plenty of cobblestone around tho. Y'all know.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on March 17, 2024, 07:23:54 PM
Just skated my sample 93a 56mm radials. They're nice I like em. Functionally they're very similar to dragons but feel a lil more like the f4 spitfire kinda formula which is nice. Still bouncy like a softer wheel though.

Maybe a tad harder than dragons too, not sure didn't do a side by side. Pretty certain they grip/drag on rails and ledges a lil less than dragons too which is great. But definitely still noticeably more than a 99a f4. Probably a tad more than a 97a f4 I think.

Skated rough ground and they felt really fast and held speed great. Not sure if they will feel gummy or slow on smooth ish ground, can report back, but my instincts say they will feel fine.

So great wheel, powerslides great, feels great. But unsurprisingly not a replacement for 99a f4 if you need certain hard wheel characteristics
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 17, 2024, 09:53:55 PM
Finally tried some Dragons. A Friend had some at the curb sesh. Pretty impressed with how they power slide but not how they nose slide... didn't try any other slides.. anyway, got home and see the Soft Sliders will be out soon so I don't have get Dragons... after all.... yep i am loyal to F4...
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Uncle Flea on March 17, 2024, 11:11:35 PM
You're going to wanna butter curb or ledge under 95a for sure. It think it's nearly impossible not to stick if it natural and slick. My dragons do great on sandpapery concrete ledges and parking blocks.

Stoked to try these. I wonder how big the sizes will go

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 18, 2024, 01:36:47 AM
Just skated my sample 93a 56mm radials. They're nice I like em. Functionally they're very similar to dragons but feel a lil more like the f4 spitfire kinda formula which is nice. Still bouncy like a softer wheel though.

Maybe a tad harder than dragons too, not sure didn't do a side by side. Pretty certain they grip/drag on rails and ledges a lil less than dragons too which is great. But definitely still noticeably more than a 99a f4. Probably a tad more than a 97a f4 I think.

Skated rough ground and they felt really fast and held speed great. Not sure if they will feel gummy or slow on smooth ish ground, can report back, but my instincts say they will feel fine.

So great wheel, powerslides great, feels great. But unsurprisingly not a replacement for 99a f4 if you need certain hard wheel characteristics

Sick. So you got a demo pack ? Presume you didn't get any info on release dates ?
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Mbrimson88 on March 18, 2024, 02:17:52 AM
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Just skated my sample 93a 56mm radials. They're nice I like em. Functionally they're very similar to dragons but feel a lil more like the f4 spitfire kinda formula which is nice. Still bouncy like a softer wheel though.

Maybe a tad harder than dragons too, not sure didn't do a side by side. Pretty certain they grip/drag on rails and ledges a lil less than dragons too which is great. But definitely still noticeably more than a 99a f4. Probably a tad more than a 97a f4 I think.

Skated rough ground and they felt really fast and held speed great. Not sure if they will feel gummy or slow on smooth ish ground, can report back, but my instincts say they will feel fine.

So great wheel, powerslides great, feels great. But unsurprisingly not a replacement for 99a f4 if you need certain hard wheel characteristics
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Sick. So you got a demo pack ? Presume you didn't get any info on release dates ?


Guessing you didn't see this post back up the page a bit?



Classic and radial shapes will be available early next month.




Also guessing you are still in UK, so although USA might be getting some soon enough, it might be a few months before the Soft Sliders roll out across the globe, for you there, EU and here in Australia, I would imagine that they would be out in maybe a few months at the earliest, but more likely six months as per everything else with current drops in USA and a longer wait everywhere else round the world.

* Note: I could be totally wrong with this, but it seems about right with wheels like Sapphires and some others.



Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: RichardBarkley on March 18, 2024, 05:51:43 AM
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Just skated my sample 93a 56mm radials. They're nice I like em. Functionally they're very similar to dragons but feel a lil more like the f4 spitfire kinda formula which is nice. Still bouncy like a softer wheel though.

Maybe a tad harder than dragons too, not sure didn't do a side by side. Pretty certain they grip/drag on rails and ledges a lil less than dragons too which is great. But definitely still noticeably more than a 99a f4. Probably a tad more than a 97a f4 I think.

Skated rough ground and they felt really fast and held speed great. Not sure if they will feel gummy or slow on smooth ish ground, can report back, but my instincts say they will feel fine.

So great wheel, powerslides great, feels great. But unsurprisingly not a replacement for 99a f4 if you need certain hard wheel characteristics
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Sick. So you got a demo pack ? Presume you didn't get any info on release dates ?
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Guessing you didn't see this post back up the page a bit?


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Classic and radial shapes will be available early next month.

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Also guessing you are still in UK, so although USA might be getting some soon enough, it might be a few months before the Soft Sliders roll out across the globe, for you there, EU and here in Australia, I would imagine that they would be out in maybe a few months at the earliest, but more likely six months as per everything else with current drops in USA and a longer wait everywhere else round the world.

* Note: I could be totally wrong with this, but it seems about right with wheels like Sapphires and some others.

At that makes sense. Nice one.

I'm in Spain currently so will play the waiting game.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: chronicbackpain on March 18, 2024, 09:12:22 AM
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Wonder why Reynolds was the chosen face for 93. I would expect somebody like... Idk, but not him for sure. Always stoked to see Boss stuff
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Just a theory but maybe because he is older pro and the new genre of softer wheels that still slide is kinda catered to older skaters because the softer wheels are more gentle on the joints
Confirmed by Reynolds. The release is April, as someone earlier mentioned.

“Thank you!!! My joints thank you!”
-Andrew Reynolds [on Spitfire IG post]
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Xen on March 18, 2024, 09:35:25 AM
Said post:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C4qRqotukXM/?hl=en

(https://i.ibb.co/sj857V2/Screenshot-2024-03-18-093524.png) (https://ibb.co/sj857V2)
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: gsosa on March 18, 2024, 10:12:03 AM
Not gonna lie, I film a lot and a lot in areas with hills so a sliding filmer wheel is a fucking necessity, which is why I have been riding Dragons like a year and a half ago and those are amazing. But not gonna lie that I sanded down the graphics in both sets I've had because I'm not really a Bones/Powell fan and the Dragon graphics suck.

I only skate Spitfires on my normal board so having a Spitfire that does the sliding cruiser wheel thing which Powell definitely re-defined shit over with is amazing! I'm so glad we now have the Spitfire version!!
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Can he read on March 18, 2024, 10:20:40 AM
Said post:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C4qRqotukXM/?hl=en

(https://i.ibb.co/sj857V2/Screenshot-2024-03-18-093524.png) (https://ibb.co/sj857V2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/85YxhJp9/IMG-1143.gif)

Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: pops on March 18, 2024, 10:20:57 AM
Just skated my sample 93a 56mm radials. They're nice I like em. Functionally they're very similar to dragons but feel a lil more like the f4 spitfire kinda formula which is nice. Still bouncy like a softer wheel though.

Maybe a tad harder than dragons too, not sure didn't do a side by side. Pretty certain they grip/drag on rails and ledges a lil less than dragons too which is great. But definitely still noticeably more than a 99a f4. Probably a tad more than a 97a f4 I think.

Skated rough ground and they felt really fast and held speed great. Not sure if they will feel gummy or slow on smooth ish ground, can report back, but my instincts say they will feel fine.

So great wheel, powerslides great, feels great. But unsurprisingly not a replacement for 99a f4 if you need certain hard wheel characteristics

Sounds pretty good and definitely interested to try and compare these side by side with powell's 93a.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Frank and Fred on March 18, 2024, 10:32:05 AM
My question for Dragon/ Soft Slider type of wheels is this?

How do they grip on super slick surfaces like indoor skate parks?

I currently use the F4 97s for a bit more grip in slippery circumstances.
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: tzhangdox on March 18, 2024, 10:38:47 AM
My question for Dragon/ Soft Slider type of wheels is this?

How do they grip on super slick surfaces like indoor skate parks?

I currently use the F4 97s for a bit more grip in slippery circumstances.

they definitely grip better than f4 99s in those environments imo
Title: Re: Spitfire formula four
Post by: Shifty Flip on March 18, 2024, 11:12:57 AM
I thought I had a fever dream about 93 F4 samples on IG. Woke up and looked everywhere but couldn’t find it. It was secretape now that I’m here in this thread. Thought my wheel madness was complete with the 97 F4s and Dragons.  Now you tell me it’s true? And they’re coming in April? 
Or am I still dreaming?