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Title: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jay on July 10, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
Anyone been watching this trial?  I don't see a good possibility of a second degree murder conviction at this point- maybe manslaughter and aggravated assault?  Seems to me like no matter how the altercation was initiated, once you start getting seriously beaten down and fearing for your life, under Florida law you have the right to shoot someone dead. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: newhampster on July 10, 2013, 06:16:54 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?  He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Yu Dum on July 10, 2013, 06:17:22 PM
I'd rather not speak about this... It may bring out some racial shit that we just don't need to see or hear... Nothing against the case or you.. I just have a feeling it'll end with one side blaming the other and a few racial slurs being slung that shouldn't be spoken...
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 10, 2013, 06:30:15 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?  He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

man ever since the jump i already knew zimmerman would get off on some bullshit.

what if the roles were switched, and zimmerman was black? yall cant tell me shit wouldnt be different. Black guy shoots a kid and kills em? man you already know how THAT would've played out.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 10, 2013, 06:58:48 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?  He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

He was in a gated community in which he had no reason to be in

wasnt he at a family members house watching the all-star game then left to pick up some snacks or some shit?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jay on July 10, 2013, 07:01:57 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?� He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

man ever since the jump i already knew zimmerman would get off on some bullshit.

what if the roles were switched, and zimmerman was black? yall cant tell me shit wouldnt be different. Black guy shoots a kid and kills em? man you already know how THAT would've played out.

I dunno, if it was the exact same situation (black community watch organizer in a gated community versus a white teen currently suspended from school for drugs, black guys gets beat down and retaliates) not just "black guy shoots white kid", I think it might be pretty similar- large amounts of people on both sides pissed off.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: stab on July 10, 2013, 07:24:49 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?  He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

He was in a gated community in which he had no reason to be in

A gated community his father lived in. Get the fuck out of here.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 10, 2013, 07:36:32 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?� He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

Even if he had his gun drawn, Trayvon would have to have had reason to believe he was going to be shot.  Having a gun held on you does not mean you automatically have the right to kill that person.  And then even if he disarmed him, he would not have the right to keep beating him to death after he was incapacitated.  I think it is reasonable to believe Trayvon lost his temper and kept beating him, at which point Zimmerman had the right to kill him.  A 2cm cut on the back of the head, bruises on the sides of the head, and a broken nose.  A 2 cm gash from hitting the sidewalk is pretty serious.  Trayvon also has only a hand injury, which could or could not have been caused in the altercation.

Also, I find it hard to believe that those screams came from Martin.  What was Zimmerman doing to make him scream like that.  Pointing a gun at him and telling him he was going to kill him?  Holding him with a gun on him?  Pretty thin.  I just can't think of scenario where Trayvon is not being physically injured and he screams like that.  There is also a witness who saw a person matching Trayvon's description on top of someone who matches Zimmerman's description.  He also saw hands coming down on him.  Most likely caused the injuries and it makes sense that Zimmermann would be crying out for help.  

In the end Trayvon's rage got him killed.  He was prob not high and irritable.  Its easy to lose your temper if you are used to smoking and are not high.  He also looks angry in most of the pictures of him and his mom was going to kick him out for being out of control.  People keep saying it is a simple as a grown man with a gun vs an unarmed teen, but its not.

And you think it would be any different if it was some wigger instead of a black guy.  Some arrogant white trash kid in a hoodie with an attitude.  Yeah it would be different there would not have been a case.  Al Sharpton would not given a shit.  There would be no pressure on the mayor to arrest Zimmerman.  
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 10, 2013, 08:03:32 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?� He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

Even if he had his gun drawn, Trayvon would have to have had reason to believe he was going to be shot.  Having a gun held on you does not mean you automatically have the right to kill that person.  And then even if he disarmed him, he would not have the right to keep beating him to death after he was incapacitated.  I think it is reasonable to believe Trayvon lost his temper and kept beating him, at which point Zimmerman had the right to kill him.  A 2cm cut on the back of the head, bruises on the sides of the head, and a broken nose.  A 2 cm gash from hitting the sidewalk is pretty serious.  Trayvon also has only a hand injury, which could or could not have been caused in the altercation.

Also, I find it hard to believe that those screams came from Martin.  What was Zimmerman doing to make him scream like that.  Pointing a gun at him and telling him he was going to kill him?  Holding him with a gun on him?  Pretty thin.  I just can't think of scenario where Trayvon is not being physically injured and he screams like that.  There is also a witness who saw a person matching Trayvon's description on top of someone who matches Zimmerman's description.  He also saw hands coming down on him.  Most likely caused the injuries and it makes sense that Zimmermann would be crying out for help.  

In the end Trayvon's rage got him killed.  He was prob not high and irritable.  Its easy to lose your temper if you are used to smoking and are not high.  He also looks angry in most of the pictures of him and his mom was going to kick him out for being out of control.  People keep saying it is a simple as a grown man with a gun vs an unarmed teen, but its not.

And you think it would be any different if it was some wigger instead of a black guy.  Some arrogant white trash kid in a hoodie with an attitude.  Yeah it would be different there would not have been a case.  Al Sharpton would not given a shit.  There would be no pressure on the mayor to arrest Zimmerman.  


So trayvon's rage is what got him killed? Weed smokers are irritable and prone to beating people up when they're not high? gimme a break. Zimmerman was TOLD BY THE POLICE not to follow Trayvon. Low and behold, he follows him (in his car), Trayvon starts running, zimmerman gets out of the car to chase him, *somehow* they get into a fight and trayvon ends up getting shot. I highly doubt trayvon initiated any interaction with zimmerman, and he only started running once he realized he was being followed. Zimmerman was too fucking thirsty to be the hero, chased down some kid, bit off more than he could chew & got his ass beat, then shot him out of "self defense". How the fuck is it self defense when he started the shit in the first place?

Funny how the media tried oh so hard to assassinate Trayvon's character too tho. Make him seem like some ratchet ass thug or some shit. ok, he's gotten suspended for having too many tardies, got caught doing graffiti (with a marker), and having weed on him. WHOOPTY FUCKING DOO. I myself have been suspended for having too many tardies, have been caught doing graffiti (and was interrogated by detectives), and smoke weed all the time. does that make me some thug? not exactly. he may not have been an angel but its not like dude was just inherently bad.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: noboru watanabe on July 10, 2013, 08:07:59 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?� He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

Even if he had his gun drawn, Trayvon would have to have had reason to believe he was going to be shot.  Having a gun held on you does not mean you automatically have the right to kill that person.  And then even if he disarmed him, he would not have the right to keep beating him to death after he was incapacitated.  I think it is reasonable to believe Trayvon lost his temper and kept beating him, at which point Zimmerman had the right to kill him.  A 2cm cut on the back of the head, bruises on the sides of the head, and a broken nose.  A 2 cm gash from hitting the sidewalk is pretty serious.  Trayvon also has only a hand injury, which could or could not have been caused in the altercation.

Also, I find it hard to believe that those screams came from Martin.  What was Zimmerman doing to make him scream like that.  Pointing a gun at him and telling him he was going to kill him?  Holding him with a gun on him?  Pretty thin.  I just can't think of scenario where Trayvon is not being physically injured and he screams like that.  There is also a witness who saw a person matching Trayvon's description on top of someone who matches Zimmerman's description.  He also saw hands coming down on him.  Most likely caused the injuries and it makes sense that Zimmermann would be crying out for help.  

In the end Trayvon's rage got him killed.  He was prob not high and irritable.  Its easy to lose your temper if you are used to smoking and are not high.  He also looks angry in most of the pictures of him and his mom was going to kick him out for being out of control.  People keep saying it is a simple as a grown man with a gun vs an unarmed teen, but its not.

And you think it would be any different if it was some wigger instead of a black guy.  Some arrogant white trash kid in a hoodie with an attitude.  Yeah it would be different there would not have been a case.  Al Sharpton would not given a shit.  There would be no pressure on the mayor to arrest Zimmerman.  

oh hay, just wanted to jump on in here and help kickstart the downward spiral of this thread by sincerely telling you to go FUCK yourself you stupid FUCKING cunt FUCK
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: shitsandwich on July 10, 2013, 08:19:07 PM
Been following this one. At first I thought he should go to prison but now i'm realizing he acted out of self defense. Zimmerman followed Trayvon but that isn't illegal. He shot him because he was getting his head bashed on the cement. I just don't get why Zimmerman never announced that he was a part of the neighborhood watch.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: dillanharp on July 10, 2013, 08:34:44 PM
Zimmerman is a bigot, that's all I'm saying about this.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 10, 2013, 09:06:34 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?� He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

Even if he had his gun drawn, Trayvon would have to have had reason to believe he was going to be shot.  Having a gun held on you does not mean you automatically have the right to kill that person.  And then even if he disarmed him, he would not have the right to keep beating him to death after he was incapacitated.  I think it is reasonable to believe Trayvon lost his temper and kept beating him, at which point Zimmerman had the right to kill him.  A 2cm cut on the back of the head, bruises on the sides of the head, and a broken nose.  A 2 cm gash from hitting the sidewalk is pretty serious.  Trayvon also has only a hand injury, which could or could not have been caused in the altercation.

Also, I find it hard to believe that those screams came from Martin.  What was Zimmerman doing to make him scream like that.  Pointing a gun at him and telling him he was going to kill him?  Holding him with a gun on him?  Pretty thin.  I just can't think of scenario where Trayvon is not being physically injured and he screams like that.  There is also a witness who saw a person matching Trayvon's description on top of someone who matches Zimmerman's description.  He also saw hands coming down on him.  Most likely caused the injuries and it makes sense that Zimmermann would be crying out for help.  

In the end Trayvon's rage got him killed.  He was prob not high and irritable.  Its easy to lose your temper if you are used to smoking and are not high.  He also looks angry in most of the pictures of him and his mom was going to kick him out for being out of control.  People keep saying it is a simple as a grown man with a gun vs an unarmed teen, but its not.

And you think it would be any different if it was some wigger instead of a black guy.  Some arrogant white trash kid in a hoodie with an attitude.  Yeah it would be different there would not have been a case.  Al Sharpton would not given a shit.  There would be no pressure on the mayor to arrest Zimmerman.  

oh hay, just wanted to jump on in here and help kickstart the downward spiral of this thread by sincerely telling you to go FUCK yourself you stupid FUCKING cunt FUCK
Being wrong sucks doesn't it.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: TFUCKINA on July 10, 2013, 09:15:13 PM
I'm so tired of hearing about this shit, it happened around where I live, and it's all I hear about on the news. Do they publicize this case in other states as much as they do here?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 10, 2013, 09:17:51 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?� He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

Even if he had his gun drawn, Trayvon would have to have had reason to believe he was going to be shot. �Having a gun held on you does not mean you automatically have the right to kill that person. �And then even if he disarmed him, he would not have the right to keep beating him to death after he was incapacitated. �I think it is reasonable to believe Trayvon lost his temper and kept beating him, at which point Zimmerman had the right to kill him. �A 2cm cut on the back of the head, bruises on the sides of the head, and a broken nose. �A 2 cm gash from hitting the sidewalk is pretty serious. �Trayvon also has only a hand injury, which could or could not have been caused in the altercation.

Also, I find it hard to believe that those screams came from Martin. �What was Zimmerman doing to make him scream like that. �Pointing a gun at him and telling him he was going to kill him? �Holding him with a gun on him? �Pretty thin. �I just can't think of scenario where Trayvon is not being physically injured and he screams like that. �There is also a witness who saw a person matching Trayvon's description on top of someone who matches Zimmerman's description. �He also saw hands coming down on him. �Most likely caused the injuries and it makes sense that Zimmermann would be crying out for help. �

In the end Trayvon's rage got him killed. �He was prob not high and irritable. �Its easy to lose your temper if you are used to smoking and are not high. �He also looks angry in most of the pictures of him and his mom was going to kick him out for being out of control. �People keep saying it is a simple as a grown man with a gun vs an unarmed teen, but its not.

And you think it would be any different if it was some wigger instead of a black guy. �Some arrogant white trash kid in a hoodie with an attitude. �Yeah it would be different there would not have been a case. �Al Sharpton would not given a shit. �There would be no pressure on the mayor to arrest Zimmerman. �


So trayvon's rage is what got him killed? Weed smokers are irritable and prone to beating people up when they're not high? gimme a break. Zimmerman was TOLD BY THE POLICE not to follow Trayvon. Low and behold, he follows him (in his car), Trayvon starts running, zimmerman gets out of the car to chase him, *somehow* they get into a fight and trayvon ends up getting shot. I highly doubt trayvon initiated any interaction with zimmerman, and he only started running once he realized he was being followed. Zimmerman was too fucking thirsty to be the hero, chased down some kid, bit off more than he could chew & got his ass beat, then shot him out of "self defense". How the fuck is it self defense when he started the shit in the first place?

Funny how the media tried oh so hard to assassinate Trayvon's character too tho. Make him seem like some ratchet ass thug or some shit. ok, he's gotten suspended for having too many tardies, got caught doing graffiti (with a marker), and having weed on him. WHOOPTY FUCKING DOO. I myself have been suspended for having too many tardies, have been caught doing graffiti (and was interrogated by detectives), and smoke weed all the time. does that make me some thug? not exactly. he may not have been an angel but its not like dude was just inherently bad.

It does not matter who started it or initiated it.  Lets say Zimmerman put his hands on Martin first, that doesn't mean he can beat him to death.

Also, martin was holding guns, weed, and had a history of violence.  Not just  tardies (nice), graffiti, and having weed on him.  Sounds like a wanna be thug to me. 

And if you knew anything about weed smokers, you would know that some get pretty trucking irritable when they can't get their fix.  There is a lot of evidence that points toward Martin being the type of person who would lose his temper and not be able to stop beating somebody.

Zimmerman might be guilty of assault and wrongful imprisonment, but that is just speculation.  There is no evidence.  The only evidence is what the witnesses saw/heard, the tapes, and the injuries.  They all point to self defense.  The dispatcher is not a police officer.  The dispatcher also never said do not follow him.  The dispatcher said we don;t need you to do that, which is just a way to cover their asses.     They say that in situations where a person should really follow a suspect.

See I am not saying that Zimmerman was in the right.  What he did was wrong and stupid, but that does not mean there is evidence that proves he committed a crime.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: augustmoon on July 10, 2013, 10:00:45 PM
wanna be thug to me. 

And if you knew anything about weed smokers, you would know that some get pretty trucking irritable when they can't get their fix. 

lol. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: WTFSoCaT on July 10, 2013, 10:05:40 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?� He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

Even if he had his gun drawn, Trayvon would have to have had reason to believe he was going to be shot. �Having a gun held on you does not mean you automatically have the right to kill that person. �And then even if he disarmed him, he would not have the right to keep beating him to death after he was incapacitated. �I think it is reasonable to believe Trayvon lost his temper and kept beating him, at which point Zimmerman had the right to kill him. �A 2cm cut on the back of the head, bruises on the sides of the head, and a broken nose. �A 2 cm gash from hitting the sidewalk is pretty serious. �Trayvon also has only a hand injury, which could or could not have been caused in the altercation.

Also, I find it hard to believe that those screams came from Martin. �What was Zimmerman doing to make him scream like that. �Pointing a gun at him and telling him he was going to kill him? �Holding him with a gun on him? �Pretty thin. �I just can't think of scenario where Trayvon is not being physically injured and he screams like that. �There is also a witness who saw a person matching Trayvon's description on top of someone who matches Zimmerman's description. �He also saw hands coming down on him. �Most likely caused the injuries and it makes sense that Zimmermann would be crying out for help. �

In the end Trayvon's rage got him killed. �He was prob not high and irritable. �Its easy to lose your temper if you are used to smoking and are not high. �He also looks angry in most of the pictures of him and his mom was going to kick him out for being out of control. �People keep saying it is a simple as a grown man with a gun vs an unarmed teen, but its not.

And you think it would be any different if it was some wigger instead of a black guy. �Some arrogant white trash kid in a hoodie with an attitude. �Yeah it would be different there would not have been a case. �Al Sharpton would not given a shit. �There would be no pressure on the mayor to arrest Zimmerman. �


So trayvon's rage is what got him killed? Weed smokers are irritable and prone to beating people up when they're not high? gimme a break. Zimmerman was TOLD BY THE POLICE not to follow Trayvon. Low and behold, he follows him (in his car), Trayvon starts running, zimmerman gets out of the car to chase him, *somehow* they get into a fight and trayvon ends up getting shot. I highly doubt trayvon initiated any interaction with zimmerman, and he only started running once he realized he was being followed. Zimmerman was too fucking thirsty to be the hero, chased down some kid, bit off more than he could chew & got his ass beat, then shot him out of "self defense". How the fuck is it self defense when he started the shit in the first place?

Funny how the media tried oh so hard to assassinate Trayvon's character too tho. Make him seem like some ratchet ass thug or some shit. ok, he's gotten suspended for having too many tardies, got caught doing graffiti (with a marker), and having weed on him. WHOOPTY FUCKING DOO. I myself have been suspended for having too many tardies, have been caught doing graffiti (and was interrogated by detectives), and smoke weed all the time. does that make me some thug? not exactly. he may not have been an angel but its not like dude was just inherently bad.

It does not matter who started it or initiated it.  Lets say Zimmerman put his hands on Martin first, that doesn't mean he can beat him to death.

you can totally do this in Florida and is kinda what this entire case is about...
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 10, 2013, 10:15:13 PM
No you can't.  http://floridastandyourground.org (http://floridastandyourground.org)

You can't kill someone just because they start a fight with you.  Now if a person is over top of you beating your face with a hard surface behind your head, then that is a little different.  Grabbing, pushing, and even punching someone is a lot different from being on top of someone beating them in the face on concrete.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on July 10, 2013, 10:29:33 PM
<honest black man bias>

Fuck pretending that any of this shit is Trayvon's fault. This whole ordeal shows how dangerous the subtle racism in the United States can be. Zimmerman's unauthorized profiling and preconceived notions lead to the death of a person that was minding his own fucking business.

Everything about it is pissing me off. At work two coworkers asked me (because I am the black guy) do I think there will be riots around the area if Zimmerman gets off. "Motherfuckers we live in North Carolina what the fuck is a riot going to prove?"

</honest black man bias>
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 10, 2013, 10:41:56 PM
<honest black man bias>

Fuck pretending that any of this shit is Trayvon's fault. This whole ordeal shows how dangerous the subtle racism in the United States can be. Zimmerman's unauthorized profiling and preconceived notions lead to the death of a person that was minding his own fucking business.

Everything about it is pissing me off. At work two coworkers asked me (because I am the black guy) do I think there will be riots around the area if Zimmerman gets off. "Motherfuckers we live in North Carolina what the fuck is a riot going to prove?"

</honest black man bias>

So if he had been some white trash kid in a hoody talking loud on his phone, looking all around, and then being rude when asked what he was doing, nothing would have happened?  Bullshit.  It wasn't the color of his skin, it was attitude and lack of control.  I fully agree that Zimmerman is a retard and was wrong in what he did.  But a person with any type of social skills should be able to talk their way out of the situation.  I get it he was a kid with issues, but still.  Don't act like it was only because of his skin color.  

Also, that sucks that people are asking you about it at work.  I don't even speak about the case in public, because I will get grouped with a bunch of dumb white boys.  Of course I'm not going to parade around saying that Zimmerman should be locked up without evidence, because it wins favor with the liberals.  
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on July 10, 2013, 11:14:10 PM
So if he had been some white trash kid in a hoody talking loud on his phone, looking all around, and then being rude when asked what he was doing, nothing would have happened?  Bullshit.  It wasn't the color of his skin, it was attitude and lack of control.  I fully agree that Zimmerman is a retard and was wrong in what he did.  But a person with any type of social skills should be able to talk their way out of the situation.  I get it he was a kid with issues, but still.  Don't act like it was only because of his skin color.  


I believe that Zimmerman would have approached the situation completely different if he saw a low class white kid doing the same shit. But I also don't believe that the general populous view lower class whites as potential criminals in the same way they see young blacks, arabs and hispanics.

Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 10, 2013, 11:17:28 PM
<honest black man bias>

Fuck pretending that any of this shit is Trayvon's fault. This whole ordeal shows how dangerous the subtle racism in the United States can be. Zimmerman's unauthorized profiling and preconceived notions lead to the death of a person that was minding his own fucking business.

Everything about it is pissing me off. At work two coworkers asked me (because I am the black guy) do I think there will be riots around the area if Zimmerman gets off. "Motherfuckers we live in North Carolina what the fuck is a riot going to prove?"

</honest black man bias>

So if he had been some white kid in a hoody talking loud on his phone, looking all around, and then being rude when asked what he was doing, nothing would have happened? �Bullshit. �It wasn't the color of his skin, it was attitude and lack of control. �I fully agree that Zimmerman is a retard and was wrong in what he did. �But a person with any type of social skills should be able to talk their way out of the situation. �I get it he was a kid with issues, but still. �Don't act like it was only because of his skin color. �

Also, that sucks that someone asked you about it at work. �I don't even speak about the case in public, because I will get grouped with a bunch of dumb white boys. �Of course I'm not going to parade around making saying that Zimmerman should be locked up without evidence, because it wins favor with the liberals.� Being asked that kind of thing at work would piss me off.

Who said that's what Trayvon was doing tho? Here's the "official" account of the story.

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On the evening of February 26, 2012, Zimmerman observed Martin as he returned to the Twin Lakes housing community after having walked to a nearby convenience store. At the time, Zimmerman was driving through the neighborhood on a personal errand.

At approximately 7:09 PM, Zimmerman called the Sanford police non-emergency number to report what he considered a suspicious person in the Twin Lakes community. Zimmerman stated, "We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy." He described an unknown male "just walking around looking about" in the rain and said, "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something." Zimmerman reported that the person had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes. On the recording, Zimmerman is heard saying, "these assholes, they always get away."

About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running." The dispatcher asked, "He's running? Which way is he running?". The sound of a car door chime is heard, indicating Zimmerman opened his car door. Zimmerman followed Martin, eventually losing sight of him. The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay." Zimmerman asked that police call him upon their arrival so he could provide his location. Zimmerman ended the call at 7:15 p.m.

After Zimmerman ended his call with police, a violent encounter took place between Martin and Zimmerman, which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards (64 m) from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.



First off, Trayvon wasnt even doing anything bad enough to warrant such thirst on Zimmermans part. It was halftime during the NBA all star game so he went to the gas station to get some snacks & then headed back home. It was raining so he had his hoody up. I can imagine he'd be looking up at all the nice, suburban houses on his way back home, by I doubt he'd actually be snooping around seeing as how he was tryna make it back home to see the game. Zimmerman jumped to the worst of conclusions and starting stalking him and The way he talks about Trayvon to the dispatcher cleary shows some racist undertones.

But anyways explain to me how Zimmerman was shooting Trayvon in "self-defense" when Trayvon was CLEARLY running back to his house when he got shot? This was Zimmerman's fault alone. Trayvon was being stalked and chased by some stranger with a gun and kicked his ass once Zimmerman got a hold of him. Zimmerman then shot him out of frustration and killed him. NONE of this would have even happened had Zimmerman let the police investigate instead of trying to be a hero and disobeying the police dispatcher after they specifically told Zimmerman NOT to chase him. Trayvon didn't do anything wrong other than beat the shit out of some stranger who randomly stalked, chased, & attacked him first. Acting as if he brought this upon himself in any way is just retarded. Maybe im justa little more sensitive to it all seeing as how that could just as easily been me any number of my friends getting murdered by some racist, wannabe neighborhood hero.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: ROCKxADIO420 on July 10, 2013, 11:19:17 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?� He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

Even if he had his gun drawn, Trayvon would have to have had reason to believe he was going to be shot. �Having a gun held on you does not mean you automatically have the right to kill that person. �And then even if he disarmed him, he would not have the right to keep beating him to death after he was incapacitated. �I think it is reasonable to believe Trayvon lost his temper and kept beating him, at which point Zimmerman had the right to kill him. �A 2cm cut on the back of the head, bruises on the sides of the head, and a broken nose. �A 2 cm gash from hitting the sidewalk is pretty serious. �Trayvon also has only a hand injury, which could or could not have been caused in the altercation.

Also, I find it hard to believe that those screams came from Martin. �What was Zimmerman doing to make him scream like that. �Pointing a gun at him and telling him he was going to kill him? �Holding him with a gun on him? �Pretty thin. �I just can't think of scenario where Trayvon is not being physically injured and he screams like that. �There is also a witness who saw a person matching Trayvon's description on top of someone who matches Zimmerman's description. �He also saw hands coming down on him. �Most likely caused the injuries and it makes sense that Zimmermann would be crying out for help. �

In the end Trayvon's rage got him killed. �He was prob not high and irritable. �Its easy to lose your temper if you are used to smoking and are not high. �He also looks angry in most of the pictures of him and his mom was going to kick him out for being out of control. �People keep saying it is a simple as a grown man with a gun vs an unarmed teen, but its not.

And you think it would be any different if it was some wigger instead of a black guy. �Some arrogant white trash kid in a hoodie with an attitude. �Yeah it would be different there would not have been a case. �Al Sharpton would not given a shit. �There would be no pressure on the mayor to arrest Zimmerman. �


So trayvon's rage is what got him killed? Weed smokers are irritable and prone to beating people up when they're not high? gimme a break. Zimmerman was TOLD BY THE POLICE not to follow Trayvon. Low and behold, he follows him (in his car), Trayvon starts running, zimmerman gets out of the car to chase him, *somehow* they get into a fight and trayvon ends up getting shot. I highly doubt trayvon initiated any interaction with zimmerman, and he only started running once he realized he was being followed. Zimmerman was too fucking thirsty to be the hero, chased down some kid, bit off more than he could chew & got his ass beat, then shot him out of "self defense". How the fuck is it self defense when he started the shit in the first place?

Funny how the media tried oh so hard to assassinate Trayvon's character too tho. Make him seem like some ratchet ass thug or some shit. ok, he's gotten suspended for having too many tardies, got caught doing graffiti (with a marker), and having weed on him. WHOOPTY FUCKING DOO. I myself have been suspended for having too many tardies, have been caught doing graffiti (and was interrogated by detectives), and smoke weed all the time. does that make me some thug? not exactly. he may not have been an angel but its not like dude was just inherently bad.

It does not matter who started it or initiated it.  Lets say Zimmerman put his hands on Martin first, that doesn't mean he can beat him to death.

Also, martin was holding guns, weed, and had a history of violence.  Not just  tardies (nice), graffiti, and having weed on him.  Sounds like a wanna be thug to me.  

And if you knew anything about weed smokers, you would know that some get pretty trucking irritable when they can't get their fix.  There is a lot of evidence that points toward Martin being the type of person who would lose his temper and not be able to stop beating somebody.

Zimmerman might be guilty of assault and wrongful imprisonment, but that is just speculation.  There is no evidence.  The only evidence is what the witnesses saw/heard, the tapes, and the injuries.  They all point to self defense.  The dispatcher is not a police officer.  The dispatcher also never said do not follow him.  The dispatcher said we don;t need you to do that, which is just a way to cover their asses.     They say that in situations where a person should really follow a suspect.

See I am not saying that Zimmerman was in the right.  What he did was wrong and stupid, but that does not mean there is evidence that proves he committed a crime.
jesus
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: chillout on July 11, 2013, 12:04:48 AM
<honest black man bias>

Fuck pretending that any of this shit is Trayvon's fault. This whole ordeal shows how dangerous the subtle racism in the United States can be. Zimmerman's unauthorized profiling and preconceived notions lead to the death of a person that was minding his own fucking business.

Everything about it is pissing me off. At work two coworkers asked me (because I am the black guy) do I think there will be riots around the area if Zimmerman gets off. "Motherfuckers we live in North Carolina what the fuck is a riot going to prove?"

</honest black man bias>

So if he had been some white trash kid in a hoody talking loud on his phone, looking all around, and then being rude when asked what he was doing, nothing would have happened? ? Bullshit. ? It wasn't the color of his skin, it was attitude and lack of control. ? I fully agree that Zimmerman is a retard and was wrong in what he did. ? But a person with any type of social skills should be able to talk their way out of the situation. ? I get it he was a kid with issues, but still. ? Don't act like it was only because of his skin color. ? 

Also, that sucks that people are asking you about it at work. ? I don't even speak about the case in public, because I will get grouped with a bunch of dumb white boys. ? Of course I'm not going to parade around saying that Zimmerman should be locked up without evidence, because it wins favor with the liberals. ? 

you're assuming that zimmerman has no racial bias, which you have no way of knowing. no one can really know what goes on in his head. judging by the current state of america, i think it fair to say that its very possible that race played a large role in trayvons death. we can pretend we have gotten over racism. racism has become more subtle, but still permeates our culture
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: sleepypancakes on July 11, 2013, 12:10:15 AM
<honest black man bias>

Fuck pretending that any of this shit is Trayvon's fault. This whole ordeal shows how dangerous the subtle racism in the United States can be. Zimmerman's unauthorized profiling and preconceived notions lead to the death of a person that was minding his own fucking business.

Everything about it is pissing me off. At work two coworkers asked me (because I am the black guy) do I think there will be riots around the area if Zimmerman gets off. "Motherfuckers we live in North Carolina what the fuck is a riot going to prove?"

</honest black man bias>

So if he had been some white trash kid in a hoody talking loud on his phone, looking all around, and then being rude when asked what he was doing, nothing would have happened?  Bullshit.  It wasn't the color of his skin, it was attitude and lack of control.  I fully agree that Zimmerman is a retard and was wrong in what he did.  But a person with any type of social skills should be able to talk their way out of the situation.  I get it he was a kid with issues, but still.  Don't act like it was only because of his skin color.  

Also, that sucks that people are asking you about it at work.  I don't even speak about the case in public, because I will get grouped with a bunch of dumb white boys.  Of course I'm not going to parade around saying that Zimmerman should be locked up without evidence, because it wins favor with the liberals.  
So having a bad attitude warrants Clint Eastwood over here to shoot someone? Now that's fucked up.

And those goddamn liberals again, they staged this whole thing to gain support for the AntiChrist Obama  ::)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on July 11, 2013, 01:25:27 AM
jackburton just moved into my top 5 most retarded posters list.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: EnjoiSanJose on July 11, 2013, 02:30:02 AM
Zimmerman should rot in jail for life. My opinion
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 11, 2013, 04:42:57 AM
<honest black man bias>

Fuck pretending that any of this shit is Trayvon's fault. This whole ordeal shows how dangerous the subtle racism in the United States can be. Zimmerman's unauthorized profiling and preconceived notions lead to the death of a person that was minding his own fucking business.

Everything about it is pissing me off. At work two coworkers asked me (because I am the black guy) do I think there will be riots around the area if Zimmerman gets off. "Motherfuckers we live in North Carolina what the fuck is a riot going to prove?"

</honest black man bias>

So if he had been some white kid in a hoody talking loud on his phone, looking all around, and then being rude when asked what he was doing, nothing would have happened? �Bullshit. �It wasn't the color of his skin, it was attitude and lack of control. �I fully agree that Zimmerman is a retard and was wrong in what he did. �But a person with any type of social skills should be able to talk their way out of the situation. �I get it he was a kid with issues, but still. �Don't act like it was only because of his skin color. �

Also, that sucks that someone asked you about it at work. �I don't even speak about the case in public, because I will get grouped with a bunch of dumb white boys. �Of course I'm not going to parade around making saying that Zimmerman should be locked up without evidence, because it wins favor with the liberals.� Being asked that kind of thing at work would piss me off.

Who said that's what Trayvon was doing tho? Here's the "official" account of the story.

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On the evening of February 26, 2012, Zimmerman observed Martin as he returned to the Twin Lakes housing community after having walked to a nearby convenience store. At the time, Zimmerman was driving through the neighborhood on a personal errand.

At approximately 7:09 PM, Zimmerman called the Sanford police non-emergency number to report what he considered a suspicious person in the Twin Lakes community. Zimmerman stated, "We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy." He described an unknown male "just walking around looking about" in the rain and said, "This guy looks like he is up to no good or he is on drugs or something." Zimmerman reported that the person had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes. On the recording, Zimmerman is heard saying, "these assholes, they always get away."

About two minutes into the call, Zimmerman said, "he's running." The dispatcher asked, "He's running? Which way is he running?". The sound of a car door chime is heard, indicating Zimmerman opened his car door. Zimmerman followed Martin, eventually losing sight of him. The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following him. When Zimmerman answered, "yeah," the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that." Zimmerman responded, "Okay." Zimmerman asked that police call him upon their arrival so he could provide his location. Zimmerman ended the call at 7:15 p.m.

After Zimmerman ended his call with police, a violent encounter took place between Martin and Zimmerman, which ended when Zimmerman fatally shot Martin 70 yards (64 m) from the rear door of the townhouse where Martin was staying.



First off, Trayvon wasnt even doing anything bad enough to warrant such thirst on Zimmermans part. It was halftime during the NBA all star game so he went to the gas station to get some snacks & then headed back home. It was raining so he had his hoody up. I can imagine he'd be looking up at all the nice, suburban houses on his way back home, by I doubt he'd actually be snooping around seeing as how he was tryna make it back home to see the game. Zimmerman jumped to the worst of conclusions and starting stalking him and The way he talks about Trayvon to the dispatcher cleary shows some racist undertones.

But anyways explain to me how Zimmerman was shooting Trayvon in "self-defense" when Trayvon was CLEARLY running back to his house when he got shot? This was Zimmerman's fault alone. Trayvon was being stalked and chased by some stranger with a gun and kicked his ass once Zimmerman got a hold of him. Zimmerman then shot him out of frustration and killed him. NONE of this would have even happened had Zimmerman let the police investigate instead of trying to be a hero and disobeying the police dispatcher after they specifically told Zimmerman NOT to chase him. Trayvon didn't do anything wrong other than beat the shit out of some stranger who randomly stalked, chased, & attacked him first. Acting as if he brought this upon himself in any way is just retarded. Maybe im justa little more sensitive to it all seeing as how that could just as easily been me any number of my friends getting murdered by some racist, wannabe neighborhood hero.
I never assumed he was not a racist.  What I mean is that racism is exaggerated int his case.  Sure there have been studies that show that people that grew up in the U.S. are racist.  We see a black person, and subconsciously we think criminal.  What I mean was there were other factors,  A big one is the way he acted.  It was on the phone recording.  He had issues speaking with people and was pretty pissed off.  He was not in an area in which he was used to.  He was an outsider, but he acted like a dick.  Of course this does not warrant being shot, which I never even implied. 

How is it that Zimmerman deserves a beating that could have caused serious injury or even death. 
Most likely Trayvon was still beating him, due to angle of the bullet wound and the screaming.

So you and your friends would beat a guy like that after he was screaming for help and incapacitated?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 11, 2013, 04:46:24 AM
<honest black man bias>

Fuck pretending that any of this shit is Trayvon's fault. This whole ordeal shows how dangerous the subtle racism in the United States can be. Zimmerman's unauthorized profiling and preconceived notions lead to the death of a person that was minding his own fucking business.

Everything about it is pissing me off. At work two coworkers asked me (because I am the black guy) do I think there will be riots around the area if Zimmerman gets off. "Motherfuckers we live in North Carolina what the fuck is a riot going to prove?"

</honest black man bias>

So if he had been some white trash kid in a hoody talking loud on his phone, looking all around, and then being rude when asked what he was doing, nothing would have happened? ? Bullshit. ? It wasn't the color of his skin, it was attitude and lack of control. ? I fully agree that Zimmerman is a retard and was wrong in what he did. ? But a person with any type of social skills should be able to talk their way out of the situation. ? I get it he was a kid with issues, but still. ? Don't act like it was only because of his skin color. ? 

Also, that sucks that people are asking you about it at work. ? I don't even speak about the case in public, because I will get grouped with a bunch of dumb white boys. ? Of course I'm not going to parade around saying that Zimmerman should be locked up without evidence, because it wins favor with the liberals. ? 

you're assuming that zimmerman has no racial bias, which you have no way of knowing. no one can really know what goes on in his head. judging by the current state of america, i think it fair to say that its very possible that race played a large role in trayvons death. we can pretend we have gotten over racism. racism has become more subtle, but still permeates our culture
I never assumed he was not a racist.  What I mean is that racism is exaggerated int his case.  Sure there have been studies that show that people that grew up in the U.S. are racist.  We see a black person, and subconsciously we think criminal.  What I mean was there were other factors,  A big one is the way he acted.  It was on the phone recording.  He had issues speaking with people and was pretty pissed off.  He was not in an area in which he was used to.  He was an outsider, but he acted like a dick.  Of course this does not warrant being shot, which I never even implied.  If a white guy did what he did and looked the way he did, I don't think Zimmermann would have acted any differently.  He may not have even known he was black until he approached him.  his hood was up, it was raining.  Just speculation, but possible.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 11, 2013, 04:47:54 AM
<honest black man bias>

Fuck pretending that any of this shit is Trayvon's fault. This whole ordeal shows how dangerous the subtle racism in the United States can be. Zimmerman's unauthorized profiling and preconceived notions lead to the death of a person that was minding his own fucking business.

Everything about it is pissing me off. At work two coworkers asked me (because I am the black guy) do I think there will be riots around the area if Zimmerman gets off. "Motherfuckers we live in North Carolina what the fuck is a riot going to prove?"

</honest black man bias>

So if he had been some white trash kid in a hoody talking loud on his phone, looking all around, and then being rude when asked what he was doing, nothing would have happened?  Bullshit.  It wasn't the color of his skin, it was attitude and lack of control.  I fully agree that Zimmerman is a retard and was wrong in what he did.  But a person with any type of social skills should be able to talk their way out of the situation.  I get it he was a kid with issues, but still.  Don't act like it was only because of his skin color.  

Also, that sucks that people are asking you about it at work.  I don't even speak about the case in public, because I will get grouped with a bunch of dumb white boys.  Of course I'm not going to parade around saying that Zimmerman should be locked up without evidence, because it wins favor with the liberals.  
So having a bad attitude warrants Clint Eastwood over here to shoot someone? Now that's fucked up.

And those goddamn liberals again, they staged this whole thing to gain support for the AntiChrist Obama  ::)
Yeah obviously that is what I was implying.  Real clever.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Kinch on July 11, 2013, 04:51:29 AM
jackburton just moved into my top 5 most retarded posters list.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 11, 2013, 04:52:53 AM
So no real arguments in here.  Anything besides he should have stayed in his car or that it can't be self defense because Zimmerman started the fight?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 11, 2013, 05:20:06 AM
There is no evidence that Trayvon had a right to keep beating Zimmermann.  We can fill in the blanks.  Like Zimmermann had his weapon drawn the whole time and was threatening to shoot him, and was convincing enough in his verbage (nice)  to convince a reasonable person to fear for his or her life. That he had his hand on his gun the entire time, even while he was screaming.  While all that is possible, there is no proof, meaning no conviction. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: stab on July 11, 2013, 05:27:48 AM
I'm so tired of hearing about this shit, it happened around where I live, and it's all I hear about on the news. Do they publicize this case in other states as much as they do here?

Where do you live? I have a bunch of friends from Samford and live about 90 minutes away myself.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: StimCoCruzer on July 11, 2013, 06:26:22 AM
ashtray is guilty, a gangbanger and reprobate

zimmerman (half hispanic/half jew for the record) shouldnt even be on trial

he's on trial because:

they want to demonize private gun ownership, and responsible gun use for self defense

racist black masons and media whores jesse jackson and al sharpton once again trying to stir up violence against innocent white people

not to mention eric holder and the DOJ using TAXPAYER MONEY to support the racist "justice for ashtray" movement, which is not about anything more than violence against innocent white people

they want martial law, so an aquittal can be expected because of all the black racists that have been tweeting about "killin whites if zimmaman quitted" will cause more black rioting - notice how its always the blacks who riot? furthermore, the sanford FL police dept has been going door to door in the black ghetto teling the savages not to riot.

FREE ZIMMERMAN - FREE AMERICA - GOD BLESS GUN OWNERSHIP - DAMN THE SAVAGES
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: chockfullofthat on July 11, 2013, 07:43:48 AM
ashtray is guilty, a gangbanger and reprobate

zimmerman (half hispanic/half jew for the record) shouldnt even be on trial

he's on trial because:

they want to demonize private gun ownership, and responsible gun use for self defense

racist black masons and media whores jesse jackson and al sharpton once again trying to stir up violence against innocent white people

not to mention eric holder and the DOJ using TAXPAYER MONEY to support the racist "justice for ashtray" movement, which is not about anything more than violence against innocent white people

they want martial law, so an aquittal can be expected because of all the black racists that have been tweeting about "killin whites if zimmaman quitted" will cause more black rioting - notice how its always the blacks who riot? furthermore, the sanford FL police dept has been going door to door in the black ghetto teling the savages not to riot.

FREE ZIMMERMAN - FREE AMERICA - GOD BLESS GUN OWNERSHIP - DAMN THE SAVAGES

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Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 11, 2013, 08:07:46 AM
I came here to read Reagan's view on it because he's always on point about social issues but all it is is Jackburton being a fucking faggot. If you truly believe that this was self defense then you're a fucking idiot. In no conceivable situation is this shit self defense. Zimmerman FOLLOWED him despite being told not to. The act of pursuing automatically makes you the aggressor. Get the fuck out of here with your ignorant bullshit.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Evil Kraken from the Arctic Sea on July 11, 2013, 08:37:36 AM
jackburton just moved into my top 5 most retarded posters list.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jgonzalez on July 11, 2013, 09:12:51 AM
You win some, you lose some... But you live to fight another day! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-fskZimu4#)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 11, 2013, 09:55:04 AM
I've noticed most people who are convinced Zimmerman is guilty, don't know a lot of the facts, or don't care. It's so funny that this case got so much attention because of the WHITE BLACK headline aspect, when Zimmerman is not even white.

Read this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html)

He was wrong to keep following the kid when told not to by the 911 operator, but had rational reasons to do so(read that story to understand why). He seems like a good guy at heart, with good intentions. I would say a manslaughter charge at most would be appropriate. Hopefully not an acquittal, because I don't want my town to burn to the ground or to hear idiots complaining about it for years.


Also, this is Trayvon's friend:

Creepy Ass Cracker! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JQboLRQyyg#ws)

Rachel Jeantel Caught in LIES and Speaking Confusing Ebonics Trayvon Martin Friend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iBBNSLbOmY#ws)


Your move.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 11, 2013, 10:06:10 AM
ashtray is guilty, a gangbanger and reprobate

zimmerman (half hispanic/half jew for the record) shouldnt even be on trial

he's on trial because:

they want to demonize private gun ownership, and responsible gun use for self defense

racist black masons and media whores jesse jackson and al sharpton once again trying to stir up violence against innocent white people

not to mention eric holder and the DOJ using TAXPAYER MONEY to support the racist "justice for ashtray" movement, which is not about anything more than violence against innocent white people

they want martial law, so an aquittal can be expected because of all the black racists that have been tweeting about "killin whites if zimmaman quitted" will cause more black rioting - notice how its always the blacks who riot? furthermore, the sanford FL police dept has been going door to door in the black ghetto teling the savages not to riot.

FREE ZIMMERMAN - FREE AMERICA - GOD BLESS GUN OWNERSHIP - DAMN THE SAVAGES

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or this...

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Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 11, 2013, 10:14:47 AM
so because there had been some robberies in the area that gave him an excuse to shoot him? I understand why he followed him despite 911 telling him not to but his stories are completely inconsistent and don't add up. This is what fear and guns lead to. It's been said that the prescription drug he was on had a side effect that caused aggressiveness and it's known that he wanted to be a cop and maybe his failure to be a real cop coupled with the aggressiveness lead to him trying to prove himself and apprehend a "threat" and become the hero he wanted to be. BUT since the "threat" ended up almost whopping his ass, his pride and FEAR got in the way and killed the kid. I can't believe we're arguing about this. A kid went to go get snacks. it rains so he puts his hood up. wannabe-cop sees this as a prime opportunity to shine. gets his ass kicked. can't handle losing fight. shoots kid. There's no way that he knew about Trayvon's history of being a "Thug" as some media sources lead people to believe. He saw a suspicious character and acted like a fool. The reason Black America is so upset is because our youths are being killed and nobody gives a fuck. There's thousands of cases where a black youth is killed and they never get the justice they deserve. If Zimmerman had killed a little white boy that fat sack of shit would have been in jail a year ago. This whole case is fucking ludicrous.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 11, 2013, 10:21:47 AM
my opinion of the situation is that Zimmerman (who seems like a wanna be cop, rent a cop) was probably dying for a situation like this to come up, saw his opportunity and made it happen.   all he had to do was notify the police, and when he did they told him not to follow but he did anyway.  Zimmerman escalated the situation on purpose, generated a conflict, and shot him, using self defense as an excuse

sad thing is i don't think he will be found guilty of any wrong doing according to the law

i realize this is my opinion and i don't know what really happened, but based on the evidence presented, and based on Zimmerman's character, that's my feeling
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 11, 2013, 10:23:53 AM
I've noticed most people who are convinced Zimmerman is guilty, don't know a lot of the facts, or don't care. It's so funny that this case got so much attention because of the WHITE BLACK headline aspect, when Zimmerman is not even white.

Read this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html)

He was wrong to keep following the kid when told not to by the 911 operator, but had rational reasons to do so(read that story to understand why). He seems like a good guy at heart, with good intentions. I would say a manslaughter charge at most would be appropriate. Hopefully not an acquittal, because I don't want my town to burn to the ground or to hear idiots complaining about it for years.


Also, this is Trayvon's friend:

Creepy Ass Cracker! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JQboLRQyyg#ws)

Rachel Jeantel Caught in LIES and Speaking Confusing Ebonics Trayvon Martin Friend (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iBBNSLbOmY#ws)


Your move.

what were his good reasons to keep following after police told him not to?

was Trayvon attacking someone?  was Trayvon in the middle of breaking into a house?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 11, 2013, 10:47:26 AM
so because there had been some robberies in the area that gave him an excuse to shoot him?

Not even close. Just put yourself in the shoes of people who lived there. If your homes are getting broken into everyday, then you may be suspicious of someone you don't know walking through your neighborhood with a hood on. NO THIS DOES NOT MEAN HE DESERVED TO BE SHOT. But if you cannot for a second put yourself in the shoes of George, then why are you even talking about this case? Just drive down there and lynch him up. No need for a trail.


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This is what fear and guns lead to.


Definitely some truth to this. Our gun culture is pretty crazy.

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It's been said that the prescription drug he was on had a side effect that caused aggressiveness and it's known that he wanted to be a cop and maybe his failure to be a real cop coupled with the aggressiveness lead to him trying to prove himself and apprehend a "threat" and become the hero he wanted to be. BUT since the "threat" ended up almost whopping his ass, his pride and FEAR got in the way and killed the kid.


Again, probably some truth here. But from multiple accounts of George from his neighbors(of multiple races) George was someone that was a good guy, who they looked to for support since the police were unable to put a stop to all the breakins.


I can't believe we're arguing about this. A kid went to go get snacks. it rains so he puts his hood up. wannabe-cop sees this as a prime opportunity to shine. gets his ass kicked. can't handle losing fight. shoots kid. There's no way that he knew about Trayvon's history of being a "Thug" as some media sources lead people to believe. He saw a suspicious character and acted like a fool. The reason Black America is so upset is because our youths are being killed and nobody gives a fuck. There's thousands of cases where a black youth is killed and they never get the justice they deserve. If Zimmerman had killed a little white boy that fat sack of shit would have been in jail a year ago. This whole case is fucking ludicrous.

Following someone is probably not a good idea, but not against the law. Beating someone up, including bashing their head on the concrete with multiple witnesses watching, is. Also black youths are getting killed by other black youths like 95% of the time. You care about those cases? I most have missed those threads.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 11, 2013, 10:53:57 AM
so because there had been some robberies in the area that gave him an excuse to shoot him?

Not even close. Just put yourself in the shoes of people who lived there. If your homes are getting broken into everyday, then you may be suspicious of someone you don't know walking through your neighborhood with a hood on. NO THIS DOES NOT MEAN HE DESERVED TO BE SHOT. But if you cannot for a second put yourself in the shoes of George, then why are you even talking about this case? Just drive down there and lynch him up. No need for a trail.


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This is what fear and guns lead to.


Definitely some truth to this. Our gun culture is pretty crazy.

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It's been said that the prescription drug he was on had a side effect that caused aggressiveness and it's known that he wanted to be a cop and maybe his failure to be a real cop coupled with the aggressiveness lead to him trying to prove himself and apprehend a "threat" and become the hero he wanted to be. BUT since the "threat" ended up almost whopping his ass, his pride and FEAR got in the way and killed the kid.


Again, probably some truth here. But from multiple accounts of George from his neighbors(of multiple races) George was someone that was a good guy, who they looked to for support since the police were unable to put a stop to all the breakins.


I can't believe we're arguing about this. A kid went to go get snacks. it rains so he puts his hood up. wannabe-cop sees this as a prime opportunity to shine. gets his ass kicked. can't handle losing fight. shoots kid. There's no way that he knew about Trayvon's history of being a "Thug" as some media sources lead people to believe. He saw a suspicious character and acted like a fool. The reason Black America is so upset is because our youths are being killed and nobody gives a fuck. There's thousands of cases where a black youth is killed and they never get the justice they deserve. If Zimmerman had killed a little white boy that fat sack of shit would have been in jail a year ago. This whole case is fucking ludicrous.

Following someone is probably not a good idea, but not against the law. Beating someone up, including bashing their head on the concrete with multiple witnesses watching, is. Also black youths are getting killed by other black youths like 95% of the time. You care about those cases? I most have missed those threads.

My house was robbed a year ago, so I can put myself in his shoes about being weary of people you don't know BUT I don't go all rentacop on everybody I see. He should have listened to the instructions trained law enforcement officers gave him. When I called the cops when I got 3,000 dollars worth of things stolen from my house I listened to their every instruction instead of deciding to be a vigilante.

And I care about any youth that is getting murdered for no reason. Blacks do have a problem with killing each other and it's a huge problem in black america but when law enforcement officials and neighborhood "watch" people (the people who are supposed to have your safety in mind) do it then of course it's going to cause outrage because they're there to protect you and get the whole story, not assume that since they've never seen you before that you're a hoodlum that needs to be apprehended. Trayvon could have explained himself to Zimmerman and said "yeah, my father lives in the neighborhood" but I guess he was weary of the suspicious character that Zimmerman was.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 11, 2013, 10:58:11 AM
what were his good reasons to keep following after police told him not to?

was Trayvon attacking someone??  was Trayvon in the middle of breaking into a house?

Good reasons? I would say none. Rational reasons? Did you read the story? They had dozens of home burglaries prior to this, most of which the police were unable to stop or catch the perpetrator. Trayvon was a stranger walking alone in the neighborhood with his hood on, who met the description of multiple perpetrators. Yes, young black males were doing this, sorry.

 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: The Nose Face on July 11, 2013, 11:01:30 AM
Only time I've seen a Judge go after someone like this, overrulling the lawyer - then what's the point of confering with your lawyer.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfit-b7FU-U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfit-b7FU-U#ws)

Society will erupt over this one though - when you have Holder, Obama and Jamie Foxx all weighing in...it riles people up.

Cops have already taken measures and preemptive actions because they fear for riots.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 11, 2013, 11:36:12 AM
what were his good reasons to keep following after police told him not to?

was Trayvon attacking someone??  was Trayvon in the middle of breaking into a house?

Good reasons? I would say none. Rational reasons? Did you read the story? They had dozens of home burglaries prior to this, most of which the police were unable to stop or catch the perpetrator. Trayvon was a stranger walking alone in the neighborhood with his hood on, who met the description of multiple perpetrators. Yes, young black males were doing this, sorry.

 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html)

i read the story.  did he witness Trayvon committing a crime?  no.  but "rationally" it makes sense for him to chase down any black male, with a gun, even after authorities tell you not to?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 11, 2013, 11:50:56 AM
what were his good reasons to keep following after police told him not to?

was Trayvon attacking someone??  was Trayvon in the middle of breaking into a house?

Good reasons? I would say none. Rational reasons? Did you read the story? They had dozens of home burglaries prior to this, most of which the police were unable to stop or catch the perpetrator. Trayvon was a stranger walking alone in the neighborhood with his hood on, who met the description of multiple perpetrators. Yes, young black males were doing this, sorry.

 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html)

except the only reason he had his hoodie up was because it was raining, and this all happened at around 7 o'clock at night. itd been one thing if it was past midnight or some shit, but what're the odds someone robs a house before 8pm...while carrying his bag from the gas station filled with candy & arizona tea?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Chavo on July 11, 2013, 11:52:01 AM
Having a gun held on you does not mean you automatically have the right to kill that person.

It usually does.

Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 11, 2013, 12:07:52 PM
what were his good reasons to keep following after police told him not to?

was Trayvon attacking someone???  was Trayvon in the middle of breaking into a house?

Good reasons? I would say none. Rational reasons? Did you read the story? They had dozens of home burglaries prior to this, most of which the police were unable to stop or catch the perpetrator. Trayvon was a stranger walking alone in the neighborhood with his hood on, who met the description of multiple perpetrators. Yes, young black males were doing this, sorry.

 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html)

except the only reason he had his hoodie up was because it was raining, and this all happened at around 7 o'clock at night. itd been one thing if it was past midnight or some shit, but what're the odds someone robs a house before 8pm...while carrying his bag from the gas station filled with candy & arizona tea?

If you lived in that neighborhood where breaki-ns were happening all the time while people were home? Odds were pretty high.

Again, I think it's pretty tough not to sympathize with George's suspicion of Trayvon, unless you make a pretty strong effort to divorce yourself from reality/the facts of the situation.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Chavo on July 11, 2013, 12:09:14 PM
what were his good reasons to keep following after police told him not to?

was Trayvon attacking someone??  was Trayvon in the middle of breaking into a house?

Good reasons? I would say none. Rational reasons? Did you read the story? They had dozens of home burglaries prior to this, most of which the police were unable to stop or catch the perpetrator. Trayvon was a stranger walking alone in the neighborhood with his hood on, who met the description of multiple perpetrators. Yes, young black males were doing this, sorry.

 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html)

except the only reason he had his hoodie up was because it was raining, and this all happened at around 7 o'clock at night. itd been one thing if it was past midnight or some shit, but what're the odds someone robs a house before 8pm...while carrying his bag from the gas station filled with candy & arizona tea?

At least in my state, following someone in your car, then getting out and chasing them on foot after the alleged perpetrator ran (according to Zimmerman) would constitute illegal detainment. Even the police would need probable cause to do this, as they could not formally arrest someone for a misdemeanor that they did not witness. Non-law enforcement can not detain someone, unless to perform a private person's arrest for a crime that they witnessed, or, in the case of a felony, to arrest someone they are sure committed the crime (like a person holding a bloody knife over a stabbed body).
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 11, 2013, 12:15:22 PM
what were his good reasons to keep following after police told him not to?

was Trayvon attacking someone???� was Trayvon in the middle of breaking into a house?

Good reasons? I would say none. Rational reasons? Did you read the story? They had dozens of home burglaries prior to this, most of which the police were unable to stop or catch the perpetrator. Trayvon was a stranger walking alone in the neighborhood with his hood on, who met the description of multiple perpetrators. Yes, young black males were doing this, sorry.

 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html)

except the only reason he had his hoodie up was because it was raining, and this all happened at around 7 o'clock at night. itd been one thing if it was past midnight or some shit, but what're the odds someone robs a house before 8pm...while carrying his bag from the gas station filled with candy & arizona tea?

If you lived in that neighborhood where breaki-ns were happening all the time while people were home? Odds were pretty high.

Again, I think it's pretty tough not to sympathize with George's suspicion of Trayvon, unless you make a pretty strong effort to divorce yourself from reality/the facts of the situation.

Granted I can understand being suspicious, but there's a difference between being suspicious and being thirsty to catch some "criminal" for whatever personal reason he had. Despite what anybodys gonna say, the fact of the matter is that NONE of this would have happened had Zimmerman obeyed the 911 operator and let the police handle it instead of trying to be the neighborhood "hero". He was told not to follow someone, he followed them, and he ends up shooting them dead. I dont find that justifiable in any way.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: The Nose Face on July 11, 2013, 12:44:04 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine)

Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: shitsandwich on July 11, 2013, 12:49:20 PM
Following someone isn't illegal.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 11, 2013, 01:01:05 PM
George Zimmerman in a nutshell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqnckBomSYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqnckBomSYo)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: stab on July 11, 2013, 01:34:49 PM
Following someone isn't illegal.
Isn't that called prowling or stalking?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: StimCoCruzer on July 11, 2013, 01:35:49 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x3Vh6bvVYc8/Ud2XQ1yxx2I/AAAAAAAAORI/P9x4iNopWCM/s400/TrayvonOBAMA.jpg)

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/07/bombshell-documents-show-obamas-doj-helped-organize-previous-trayvon-martin-protests-2678710.html?utm_content=beforeit39snews-verticalresponse&utm_campaign=&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FiBAd&utm_medium=verticalresponse&utm_source=direct-b4in.info (http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/07/bombshell-documents-show-obamas-doj-helped-organize-previous-trayvon-martin-protests-2678710.html?utm_content=beforeit39snews-verticalresponse&utm_campaign=&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FiBAd&utm_medium=verticalresponse&utm_source=direct-b4in.info)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: shitsandwich on July 11, 2013, 01:52:53 PM
Following someone isn't illegal.
Isn't that called prowling or stalking?

Well I guess all stalking is a form of following but not all following can be considered stalking. Stalking would be more consistent and going on even though you've been told to stop.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 11, 2013, 01:56:37 PM
I know that when I was seventeen, if I was walking through neighborhood and it was dark, cold and rainy and somebody started trailing me in an unmarked vehicle and then got out and approached with even a hint of aggression it would have been on.  Most people would be pretty defensive in that position.  The tricky part is that, with regards to the law, the role of "victim" can change quickly based on circumstances. 

The "Stand your ground" law looks like it's going to be in Zimmerman's favor for the simple fact that even though he forced what I would consider a completely unjustified confrontation he is arguing that he was getting his ass handed to him in the physical altercation and then suddenly his life was in danger.  If you look at the bottom of this page (in the link below) there are some historical examples of the same law getting people out of some pretty similar scenarios http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_139 (http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_139).

In my personal opinion Georgie boy fucked up big time and, unfortunately, there are no take backs when you shoot somebody.  Fuck him.
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7057/2w4.png)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 11, 2013, 02:26:09 PM
what were his good reasons to keep following after police told him not to?

was Trayvon attacking someone???  was Trayvon in the middle of breaking into a house?

Good reasons? I would say none. Rational reasons? Did you read the story? They had dozens of home burglaries prior to this, most of which the police were unable to stop or catch the perpetrator. Trayvon was a stranger walking alone in the neighborhood with his hood on, who met the description of multiple perpetrators. Yes, young black males were doing this, sorry.

 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/28/zimmerman-s-twin-lakes-community-was-on-edge-before-trayvon-shooting.html)

except the only reason he had his hoodie up was because it was raining, and this all happened at around 7 o'clock at night. itd been one thing if it was past midnight or some shit, but what're the odds someone robs a house before 8pm...while carrying his bag from the gas station filled with candy & arizona tea?

If you lived in that neighborhood where breaki-ns were happening all the time while people were home? Odds were pretty high.

Again, I think it's pretty tough not to sympathize with George's suspicion of Trayvon, unless you make a pretty strong effort to divorce yourself from reality/the facts of the situation.

it's not a matter of questioning whether Zimmerman was right to be suspicious.   the question is:  is it ok for someone to hunt down an a person in the night with a gun, with zero cause for suspicion other than looking "suspicious" ie. black, then, after being told by authorities to stay out of it, continue to hunt that person, engage them in a fight, then shoot them dead?   i have zero sympathy for Zimmerman.  he's a fucking moron (at best) and a murderer.   why would you try to engage someone you thought was a criminal?  why would you do that after police told you not to?   

someone stole a bicycle on my street recently.  the description was black male with dread locks.  if i see someone with dreadlocks on my street at night should i start running after them with a gun?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 11, 2013, 02:29:34 PM
I know that when I was seventeen, if I was walking through neighborhood and it was dark, cold and rainy and somebody started trailing me in an unmarked vehicle and then got out and approached with even a hint of aggression it would have been on.  Most people would be pretty defensive in that position.  The tricky part is that, with regards to the law, the role of "victim" can change quickly based on circumstances. 

The "Stand your ground" law looks like it's going to be in Zimmerman's favor for the simple fact that even though he forced what I would consider a completely unjustified confrontation he is arguing that he was getting his ass handed to him in the physical altercation and then suddenly his life was in danger.  If you look at the bottom of this page (in the link below) there are some historical examples of the same law getting people out of some pretty similar scenarios http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_139 (http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/cases/case_139).

In my personal opinion Georgie boy fucked up big time and, unfortunately, there are no take backs when you shoot somebody.  Fuck him.
(http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7057/2w4.png)

agree.  unless it was a police officer.  which is who is supposed to be doing this shit.

even if Zimmerman was a hired security guard, which he wasn't - just a member of community watch - his job is to call the police if he sees suspicious activity

dude is obviously a wannabe army / cop / security guard (you know the type) who's been salivating for the chance to use his gun
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: weedpop on July 11, 2013, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=71498.msg1951914#msg1951914 date=1373571844
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine)



Did you even read this article? Most of the common stipulations of the Castle Doctrine would work against George Zimmerman in this case, particularly this one: "An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle".There's no provision for targeting people based on their looking "suspicious", and no protection for those who "provoke/instigate an intruder's threat or use of deadly force". In any case the text of Florida's Stand Your Ground law is what's relevant here.

Honestly, I didn't know there where so many racist pieces of shit on this message board, although StimCoCruiser's political leanings should have given enough of an indication of what a wretched hillbilly he is.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: shitsandwich on July 11, 2013, 04:01:36 PM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=71498.msg1951914#msg1951914 date=1373571844
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine)



Did you even read this article? Most of the common stipulations of the Castle Doctrine would work against George Zimmerman in this case, particularly this one: "An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle".There's no provision for targeting people based on their looking "suspicious", and no protection for those who "provoke/instigate an intruder's threat or use of deadly force". In any case the text of Florida's Stand Your Ground law is what's relevant here.

Honestly, I didn't know there where so many racist pieces of shit on this message board, although StimCoCruiser's political leanings should have given enough of an indication of what a wretched hillbilly he is.

That's kind of ironic cus that's pretty racist.

Are you saying the people that don't believe he should get second degree murder are racist pieces of shit?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: brycickle on July 11, 2013, 06:00:16 PM


Even if he had his gun drawn, Trayvon would have to have had reason to believe he was going to be shot. 
This is the most ass backwards argument that I've ever heard from someone, who presents them self to be pro gun. When have you ever taken a gun safety class where they have told you that it is okay to point a gun at something unless you intend to use it. If anyone ever pointed a gun at me I would fully expect that they had some intention of using it. I think you also said that there was no evidence that Zimmerman intended to shoot Martin? Well where is the evidence that Martin intended to beat Zimmerman to death? Why is it that Zimmerman need to have his gun drawn in the initial contact with Martin, let alone pointed at him? I don't care whether or not there were other break ins, burglaries or robberies in recent weeks, you still need to assess your current situation before making snap decisions that someone is doing something wrong.

But hey, fuck Emmet Till too eh?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: weedpop on July 11, 2013, 06:30:48 PM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=71498.msg1951914#msg1951914 date=1373571844
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine)



Did you even read this article? Most of the common stipulations of the Castle Doctrine would work against George Zimmerman in this case, particularly this one: "An intruder must be making (or have made) an attempt to unlawfully or forcibly enter an occupied residence, business, or vehicle".There's no provision for targeting people based on their looking "suspicious", and no protection for those who "provoke/instigate an intruder's threat or use of deadly force". In any case the text of Florida's Stand Your Ground law is what's relevant here.

Honestly, I didn't know there where so many racist pieces of shit on this message board, although StimCoCruiser's political leanings should have given enough of an indication of what a wretched hillbilly he is.

That's kind of ironic cus that's pretty racist.

Are you saying the people that don't believe he should get second degree murder are racist pieces of shit?

"Hillbilly" could refer to someone who is black, white, latino or of any other race. It's a word used to describe a person who is ignorant as a result of living in an isolated rural area, not an all encompassing racial term. Disagreeing with the severity of the charge is not necessarily racist. Manipulating the facts of the case and attempting to blame Trayvon based on your preconceived notion of him as "one of those people" (i.e. a thuggish African American) definitely is. Also referring to black people as "savages" multiple times as StimCo did in his post is most definitely racist x1000.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: brycickle on July 11, 2013, 06:35:14 PM
Actually. Hillbilly originated as a derogatory term for Scotch-Irish Appalachian hill dwellers.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: augustmoon on July 11, 2013, 07:50:07 PM
the term "hillbilly" is most definitely racist. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: steve on July 11, 2013, 08:21:32 PM
the term "hillbilly" is most definitely racist. 

as is the whole debate surrounding this trial. be real and let's face the fact that if Trayvon Martin was a white kid he would not have been shot. Unless it's a member of "law enforcement" at a protest, nobody is going to "stand their ground" against an unarmed white kid.

there are a shit ton of racist pieces of shit on this board for fuck sake. It disgusts me. There is no excuse for bigotry, whatsoever. Pull your heads out of the sand and realize that just because you aren't calling someone a "nigger" doesn't mean that you aren't subconsciously acting as if they're one.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on July 11, 2013, 08:25:33 PM
hillbilly might be racist he might just be usin it like yo wassup my hillbillay? its a subtle difference guys cmon
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: GoodBurger on July 11, 2013, 08:51:07 PM
I'm so tired of hearing about this shit, it happened around where I live, and it's all I hear about on the news. Do they publicize this case in other states as much as they do here?

yes.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: shitsandwich on July 11, 2013, 09:32:16 PM
I still feel like hillbilly is a racial slur but just not as harsh sounding as others. And plus it doesn't really matter where the term originated from it matters what it means in society today. Yes there is absolutely no excuse for racism and it makes me sick that people can be so superficial.

To me I believe that Zimmerman feared for his since he was getting his head smashed into the pavement, so he pulled out his gun. I think it's completely fucked up that he didn't state that he was part of the neighborhood watch but that doesn't really matter. And another main reason why I think Zimmerman shouldn't be sentenced with 2nd degree is because Trayvon allegedly threw the first punch. Do you guys think he did?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: ProjectBluebeam on July 11, 2013, 11:01:12 PM
Damn, the real problem with this case is the media bias and it has gone straight to some of your heads..

Zim should walk but I fear he might get charged with manslaughter as some sort of compromise
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: dillanharp on July 11, 2013, 11:10:06 PM
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Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on July 12, 2013, 12:57:47 AM
Damn, the real problem with this case is the media bias and it has gone straight to some of your heads..

Zim should walk but I fear he might get charged with manslaughter as some sort of compromise

your retardation has gone straight to your head
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: weedpop on July 12, 2013, 02:30:19 AM
Actually. Hillbilly originated as a derogatory term for Scotch-Irish Appalachian hill dwellers.

That makes sense. I could have sworn I've heard it applied to black and white people from rural areas though. Still, I don't feel particularly racist saying it since I'm a white male myself.

Basically I'm prejudiced against ignorant assholes.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: The Ghost of Lenny Kirk on July 12, 2013, 04:03:48 AM
Shot unarmed kid with groceries walking home after harassing him. Thats what happened.

Sounds like murder to me.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: chockfullofthat on July 12, 2013, 07:38:42 AM
RACE WARS!!!!!!!!!  EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!!!

(http://i40.tinypic.com/14se79j.jpg)


Regarding any pro-Zimmerman argument a simple, "Ya...but he killed him" seems to work just fine for me.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 12, 2013, 07:56:09 AM
are they eventually going to put "ima" and "dat" in the dictionary?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 12, 2013, 08:32:17 AM
What percentage of Black people/liberals that are so outraged about this even know George's race?


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George is listed as Hispanic, with his mom being Peruvian with some black ancestry through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather.

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How many innocent white people are gonna get beat up or have their businesses fucked up once the jury comes back with the verdict?

Really stupid, tragic situation, exacerbated by the media and lazy liberals.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Merked on July 12, 2013, 10:17:19 AM
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Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 12, 2013, 10:27:32 AM
What percentage of Black people/liberals that are so outraged about this even know George's race?


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George is listed as Hispanic, with his mom being Peruvian with some black ancestry through her Afro-Peruvian maternal grandfather.

(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lKUrT8ql.pUXjHOM36CBMw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9NTU4O2NyPTE7Y3c9OTkyO2R4PTA7ZHk9MDtmaT11bGNyb3A7aD0zNTU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.gma.com/AP_george_zimmerman_dm_130711_16x9_992.jpg)


How many innocent white people are gonna get beat up or have their businesses fucked up once the jury comes back with the verdict?

Really stupid, tragic situation, exacerbated by the media and lazy liberals.

where do you live, Alabama?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 12, 2013, 10:43:06 AM
What does that question imply?

Where do the black people saying they're gonna beat up or kill white people because of this live?

Genius-town?




I remember when OJ killed his white wife and me and all my white friends burned down the city and beat up every black person we saw. Wait that never happened, and analogy doesn't work because OJ was actually black and wasn't being beaten up by his wife. My b.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 12, 2013, 10:49:36 AM
Regardless of the outcome I plan on running around smearing human feces on every person I see wearing a "PING" hat as my protest against gated communities.  Depending on how that goes I'll probably go mess up the color/size sorting of the clothing racks at a few Banana Republics to really drive my point home.

Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: childhood on July 12, 2013, 11:34:56 AM
Yeah everyone heard he's Hispanic. Nobody cares that his moms moms dad might have some African ancestry

Slap is full of closet racists. Cotg was trying to tell us for I don't know how long

Anyone else think Zimmerman picked the worst attorney?
Dude seems so creepyand unlikeable.
If a ton of people hated me for shooting a kid, and I was about to go through a highly televised trial, I wouldn't choose an attorney who looks like he's into dead people.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: colin on July 12, 2013, 11:41:55 AM

(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lKUrT8ql.pUXjHOM36CBMw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9NTU4O2NyPTE7Y3c9OTkyO2R4PTA7ZHk9MDtmaT11bGNyb3A7aD0zNTU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.gma.com/AP_george_zimmerman_dm_130711_16x9_992.jpg)


Dude is looking heavy - I think that when a dude has so much fat on his body that he has neck fat that pours over the collar of his dress shirt that he should stop eating so much
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: ROCKxADIO420 on July 12, 2013, 12:17:21 PM
colin weighing in with a valid argument
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: ice nine on July 12, 2013, 12:32:09 PM
rock adio with the edit on the comment
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: ROCKxADIO420 on July 12, 2013, 12:37:06 PM
i really wish they wouldnt show that
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 12, 2013, 01:19:41 PM

(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/lKUrT8ql.pUXjHOM36CBMw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Y2g9NTU4O2NyPTE7Y3c9OTkyO2R4PTA7ZHk9MDtmaT11bGNyb3A7aD0zNTU7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/gma/us.abcnews.gma.com/AP_george_zimmerman_dm_130711_16x9_992.jpg)


Dude is looking heavy - I think that when a dude has so much fat on his body that he has neck fat that pours over the collar of his dress shirt that he should stop eating so much

he's actually way heavier than he was at the time of the incident.   part of what the defense is arguing is that Zimmerman is too out of shape to have tried to fight Trayvon.  they posted his daily diet and it's like 2500 calories.  some speculate that his attorneys advised him to get as fat as possible, to help that aspect of their defense
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 12, 2013, 01:25:40 PM
What does that question imply?

Where do the black people saying they're gonna beat up or kill white people because of this live?

Genius-town?




I remember when OJ killed his white wife and me and all my white friends burned down the city and beat up every black person we saw. Wait that never happened, and analogy doesn't work because OJ was actually black and wasn't being beaten up by his wife. My b.

i just think it's telling to see what you are focused on.  not that and innocent teenager was killed but how hard this is going to be for the white community

stay classy Dagger
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: colin on July 12, 2013, 02:01:03 PM
he's actually way heavier than he was at the time of the incident.?  ? part of what the defense is arguing is that Zimmerman is too out of shape to have tried to fight Trayvon.?  they posted his daily diet and it's like 2500 calories.?  some speculate that his attorneys advised him to get as fat as possible, to help that aspect of their defense

Look at these pictures
http://calorielab.com/news/2013/07/03/george-zimmermans-weight-gain-due-to-stress-and-emotional-eating/ (http://calorielab.com/news/2013/07/03/george-zimmermans-weight-gain-due-to-stress-and-emotional-eating/)

You know, I think Buddhists believe that killing is the ultimate expression of dualism, and dualism is the source of pain. People typically attempt manage this pain by using outside sources: food, alcohol, drugs, buying shit, other people's approval...
George has a long road ahead of him if he ever wants to achieve any type of internal peace...
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: daddy on July 12, 2013, 03:02:01 PM
abp?

(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18tn56hwlcf83jpg/k-bigpic.jpg)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on July 12, 2013, 03:21:28 PM
george zimmerman trained at an mma gym for a year. his injuries were inconsistent with what he claimed was happening. trayvon had no injuries on him indicating he was fighting. but yeah lets believe this fat sack of shit.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: The Human Condom on July 12, 2013, 04:50:53 PM
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Only in America can a dead black boy go on trial for his own murder.
--    Syreeta McFadden 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 12, 2013, 05:36:18 PM
george zimmerman trained at an mma gym for a year. his injuries were inconsistent with what he claimed was happening. trayvon had no injuries on him indicating he was fighting. but yeah lets believe this fat sack of shit.

So he beat Trayvon's ass and then shot him... why?  For the hell of it?

Witnesses already stated that they saw Trayvon on top reigning blows down.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/06/28/witness_john_good_says_trayvon_martin_was_on_top_of_zimmerman.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/06/28/witness_john_good_says_trayvon_martin_was_on_top_of_zimmerman.html)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 12, 2013, 05:42:35 PM
What does that question imply?

Where do the black people saying they're gonna beat up or kill white people because of this live?

Genius-town?




I remember when OJ killed his white wife and me and all my white friends burned down the city and beat up every black person we saw. Wait that never happened, and analogy doesn't work because OJ was actually black and wasn't being beaten up by his wife. My b.

i just think it's telling to see what you are focused on.  not that and innocent teenager was killed but how hard this is going to be for the white community

stay classy Dagger

It's a tragedy for sure, but why do so many people convinced George is COLD BLOODED RACIST MURDERER know so little about what actually happened?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 12, 2013, 05:43:48 PM
abp?

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18tn56hwlcf83jpg/k-bigpic.jpg (http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18tn56hwlcf83jpg/k-bigpic.jpg)

Is this real? That's awful.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: WTFSoCaT on July 12, 2013, 05:44:30 PM
pretty sure if Zimmerman were following a woman and she fought back and he killed her, idiots would claim it was the woman's fault too.
"what was she doing there?" "what was she wearing?"

kinda sad that in America if you're anything but a white, Christian, male you have no reason to be anywhere alone.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 12, 2013, 05:49:55 PM
No they wouldn't, because no woman would be able to get the better of George in a fight to the point where they were on top of him slamming his head on the pavement.

Btw, George must be thrilled to find out he is white, after all these years.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: stab on July 12, 2013, 06:30:11 PM

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Dude is looking heavy - I think that when a dude has so much fat on his body that he has neck fat that pours over the collar of his dress shirt that he should stop eating so much
i was kind of on the fence about the whole thing but know that you mention it he is for sure guilty
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: InternetDaddy on July 12, 2013, 06:47:03 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/P1CulGu.jpeg)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 12, 2013, 07:57:33 PM
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Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: childhood on July 12, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/P1CulGu.jpeg)

Haha seriously this guy is turned on by dead bodies
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 12, 2013, 10:50:12 PM
Let's put all the race bullshit aside and ask this: Is it ok to shoot and kill someone you started a fight with after following them against police instructions? Is it ok that he killed a kid who decided to fight against a guy that was harassing him and following him. If America didn't have such a hard-on for guns and the dude would have just had a taser to protect himself with this would have been over by now.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: weedpop on July 13, 2013, 12:15:23 AM
Let's put all the race bullshit aside and ask this: Is it ok to shoot and kill someone you started a fight with after following them against police instructions? Is it ok that he killed a kid who decided to fight against a guy that was harassing him and following him.

This is basically how I feel about the whole thing. Zimmerman's race isn't really relevant anyway since we're talking about negative stereotyping of young, black men in general, not just by white people. I can sort of understand people thinking the charge should  be reduced to manslaughter but I can't see how anyone who knows the basic facts of the case can be willing to absolve Zimmerman of any responsibility unless their sense of ethics is being seriously distorted by racial bias.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: smokecrack on July 13, 2013, 12:47:09 AM
NickDagger, you are a racist shithead. you are constantly bringing up race, black culture, the white man's problems, etc.

fuck off you baby-dicked fuckhole.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: shitsandwich on July 13, 2013, 04:23:48 AM
Let's put all the race bullshit aside and ask this: Is it ok to shoot and kill someone you started a fight with after following them against police instructions? Is it ok that he killed a kid who decided to fight against a guy that was harassing him and following him. If America didn't have such a hard-on for guns and the dude would have just had a taser to protect himself with this would have been over by now.

But he didn't initiate the fight though, Trayvon threw the first punch. You can't just punch someone for following you and it wasn't illegal of Zimmerman to follow him. But yeah if this fool just had a taser or  just stated he was part of the neighborhood watch this whole thing wouldn't have escalated like it did. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bea! on July 13, 2013, 07:06:53 AM
Let's put all the race bullshit aside and ask this: Is it ok to shoot and kill someone you started a fight with after following them against police instructions? Is it ok that he killed a kid who decided to fight against a guy that was harassing him and following him. If America didn't have such a hard-on for guns and the dude would have just had a taser to protect himself with this would have been over by now.

But he didn't initiate the fight though, Trayvon threw the first punch. You can't just punch someone for following you and it wasn't illegal of Zimmerman to follow him. But yeah if this fool just had a taser or  just stated he was part of the neighborhood watch this whole thing wouldn't have escalated like it did. 

This is how I feel about this whole debate as well... it's more of an issue of basic gun control to me.  In fact, this is a HUGE opportunity for anti-gun lobbyists to hammer home the idea that the legal right to carry a gun (and shoot it) is gonna give this world a bunch of wanna be cop/Charles Bronson's.  Just LOOKING for a reason to shoot.

Bill Cosby tells the truth: Bill Cosby: Trayvon Martin Case More About Guns Than Race (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfOf0sNSR4c#ws)

Using a gun to save face because you're getting your ass kicked by somebody have your age/size does not justify shit.
He absolutely deserves to go to jail, but he won't because of this fucking law. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: colin on July 13, 2013, 08:36:53 AM
jimi, well put
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 13, 2013, 08:52:29 AM
Let's put all the race bullshit aside and ask this: Is it ok to shoot and kill someone you started a fight with after following them against police instructions? Is it ok that he killed a kid who decided to fight against a guy that was harassing him and following him. If America didn't have such a hard-on for guns and the dude would have just had a taser to protect himself with this would have been over by now.

But he didn't initiate the fight though, Trayvon threw the first punch. You can't just punch someone for following you and it wasn't illegal of Zimmerman to follow him. But yeah if this fool just had a taser or  just stated he was part of the neighborhood watch this whole thing wouldn't have escalated like it did. 

How did he not initiate the fight when he followed someone in his car, then got out on foot & chased them down with little to no reason? You think trayvon was like "aw hell naw niggas aint about to follow ME around" & started swinging? hell no dude was being stalked & then chased down by some STRANGER AT NIGHT and once zimmerman put his hands on him he started defending himself. Anybody in trayvons shoes would be scared and (if they werent a pussy) ready to defend themselves if need be. zimmerman wrongfully bit off more than he could chew & got his ass beat, which led to him killing a 17 year old.

but all that aside, what the fuck is up with THIS tho?


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d9bb16afecaa814660e74e008ba43e89/tumblr_mp9yyoQCtR1qza54ao1_500.jpg)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zrbkKtCR1qkoo4k.png)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 13, 2013, 09:25:10 AM
Let's put all the race bullshit aside and ask this: Is it ok to shoot and kill someone you started a fight with after following them against police instructions? Is it ok that he killed a kid who decided to fight against a guy that was harassing him and following him. If America didn't have such a hard-on for guns and the dude would have just had a taser to protect himself with this would have been over by now.

But he didn't initiate the fight though, Trayvon threw the first punch. You can't just punch someone for following you and it wasn't illegal of Zimmerman to follow him. But yeah if this fool just had a taser or  just stated he was part of the neighborhood watch this whole thing wouldn't have escalated like it did. 

How did he not initiate the fight when he followed someone in his car, then got out on foot & chased them down with little to no reason? You think trayvon was like "aw hell naw niggas aint about to follow ME around" & started swinging? hell no dude was being stalked & then chased down by some STRANGER AT NIGHT and once zimmerman put his hands on him he started defending himself. Anybody in trayvons shoes would be scared and (if they werent a pussy) ready to defend themselves if need be. zimmerman wrongfully bit off more than he could chew & got his ass beat, which led to him killing a 17 year old.

but all that aside, what the fuck is up with THIS tho?


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d9bb16afecaa814660e74e008ba43e89/tumblr_mp9yyoQCtR1qza54ao1_500.jpg)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zrbkKtCR1qkoo4k.png)
This is white people being white people then saying "Race isn't an issue". There's nothing to say about it because they'll always do this shit then claim we're the racist ones.

The "Following isn't illegal" argument undermines the fact that the dude shot and killed him. Following isn't illegal, but like Will said, if some dude is following you at night what do you think someone will do? Well some might STAND THEIR GROUND and fight the dude instead of being a little faggot bitch and deciding that "Oh well fuck, I'm gonna lose. Better save face!" and shoot the person they antagonized. It's like finding an animal and trying to get close to it and the animal senses danger and tries to kick your ass and you say "Well that animal was acting unreasonable" NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT, THAT ANIMAL WAS DEFENDING ITSELF AGAINST A THREAT. IF GEORGE DUMBFUCK ZIMMERMAN HADN'T HAD SUCH A FUCKING BONER FOR BEING A VIGILANTE THAT NIGHT AND HAD JUST CLEARLY SAID "I'm the neighborhood watch. we've had a few robberies and I'm just making sure you're not one of the robbers" THEN THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. This country is so god damn stupid, I can't handle this shit anymore.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Nick on July 13, 2013, 10:33:52 AM
Let's put all the race bullshit aside and ask this: Is it ok to shoot and kill someone you started a fight with after following them against police instructions? Is it ok that he killed a kid who decided to fight against a guy that was harassing him and following him. If America didn't have such a hard-on for guns and the dude would have just had a taser to protect himself with this would have been over by now.

But he didn't initiate the fight though, Trayvon threw the first punch. You can't just punch someone for following you and it wasn't illegal of Zimmerman to follow him. But yeah if this fool just had a taser or  just stated he was part of the neighborhood watch this whole thing wouldn't have escalated like it did. 

How did he not initiate the fight when he followed someone in his car, then got out on foot & chased them down with little to no reason? You think trayvon was like "aw hell naw niggas aint about to follow ME around" & started swinging? hell no dude was being stalked & then chased down by some STRANGER AT NIGHT and once zimmerman put his hands on him he started defending himself. Anybody in trayvons shoes would be scared and (if they werent a pussy) ready to defend themselves if need be. zimmerman wrongfully bit off more than he could chew & got his ass beat, which led to him killing a 17 year old.

but all that aside, what the fuck is up with THIS tho?


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d9bb16afecaa814660e74e008ba43e89/tumblr_mp9yyoQCtR1qza54ao1_500.jpg)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zrbkKtCR1qkoo4k.png)
This is white people being white people then saying "Race isn't an issue". There's nothing to say about it because they'll always do this shit then claim we're the racist ones.

The "Following isn't illegal" argument undermines the fact that the dude shot and killed him. Following isn't illegal, but like Will said, if some dude is following you at night what do you think someone will do? Well some might STAND THEIR GROUND and fight the dude instead of being a little faggot bitch and deciding that "Oh well fuck, I'm gonna lose. Better save face!" and shoot the person they antagonized. It's like finding an animal and trying to get close to it and the animal senses danger and tries to kick your ass and you say "Well that animal was acting unreasonable" NO YOU FUCKING IDIOT, THAT ANIMAL WAS DEFENDING ITSELF AGAINST A THREAT. IF GEORGE DUMBFUCK ZIMMERMAN HADN'T HAD SUCH A FUCKING BONER FOR BEING A VIGILANTE THAT NIGHT AND HAD JUST CLEARLY SAID "I'm the neighborhood watch. we've had a few robberies and I'm just making sure you're not one of the robbers" THEN THIS WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. This country is so god damn stupid, I can't handle this shit anymore.

Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: few123456789 on July 13, 2013, 12:42:31 PM
Who gives a shit about the southside of Chicago anymore.  Does anyone?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: ChronicBluntSlider on July 13, 2013, 01:00:17 PM
Its depressing when shit like this happens and all the scumbags come out of the woodwork and remind me how many of them there are out there.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 13, 2013, 03:31:30 PM
Let's put all the race bullshit aside and ask this: Is it ok to shoot and kill someone you started a fight with after following them against police instructions? Is it ok that he killed a kid who decided to fight against a guy that was harassing him and following him. If America didn't have such a hard-on for guns and the dude would have just had a taser to protect himself with this would have been over by now.

It's not okay, and I think he'll probably get manslaughter charge and a few years. It is not first degree murder.


Our gun culture is crazy and stupid. Again though, what would you all do if your neighborhood was getting broken into every week? You wouldn't consider getting a gun? I do agree that following someone with a gun and confronting them is way overzealous and why he will probably end up getting convicted of something.


Most of the people who are dead-set on the idea George is a COLD BLOODED RACIST MURDERER repeatedly show that they don't know or care about the basic facts.


Although all of these idiots actually are racist:

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/d9bb16afecaa814660e74e008ba43e89/tumblr_mp9yyoQCtR1qza54ao1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: vegan*shawn on July 13, 2013, 04:16:45 PM
I was kind of surprised that George Zimmerman's violent past wasn't brought up in court (unless I missed it) he beat an ex wife and threatened a co worker.
At the end of the day he profiled a young man, followed, started a fight and shot and killed a kid, all because the kid was walking back to his dad's place with a bag of skittles and ice tea, might have gotten mixed up to where he was going, remember he only lived their briefly.

Anyone who supports Zimmerman is a racist piece of shit and I ain't got time to hear your nonsense, there is no fucking excuse for what he did!!!
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 13, 2013, 04:19:56 PM
Since when is supporting a beaner racist?



http://instantrimshot.com/ (http://instantrimshot.com/)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: dillanharp on July 13, 2013, 04:44:04 PM
I was kind of surprised that George Zimmerman's violent past wasn't brought up in court (unless I missed it) he beat an ex wife and threatened a co worker.
At the end of the day he profiled a young man, followed, started a fight and shot and killed a kid, all because the kid was walking back to his dad's place with a bag of skittles and ice tea, might have gotten mixed up to where he was going, remember he only lived their briefly.

Anyone who supports Zimmerman is a racist piece of shit and I ain't got time to hear your nonsense, there is no fucking excuse for what he did!!!

/thread
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 13, 2013, 04:47:34 PM
I agree with Bill Maher's(and Cornell West) point starting at 4:40 below, but why examine this situation to that degree? It's sooo much easier just to call everyone racist and call it a day.

Maher & Cornel West Battle GOP Guests Over Zimmerman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJENQ9XEi7U#)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: woodsman on July 13, 2013, 04:49:29 PM
I think this sums it up.   http://gawker.com/will-george-zimmerman-get-away-with-murder-757850043 (http://gawker.com/will-george-zimmerman-get-away-with-murder-757850043)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: dillanharp on July 13, 2013, 07:06:27 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-not-guilty_n_3588743.html?1373767350&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/13/george-zimmerman-not-guilty_n_3588743.html?1373767350&ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 13, 2013, 07:09:13 PM
Wow. Kind of shocked right now. Thought he would get manslaughter for sure. This is bad.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on July 13, 2013, 07:09:47 PM
maaaan thats some bullshit
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 13, 2013, 07:16:13 PM
I FUCKING TOLD YALL THIS FOOL WAS GONNA GET OFF WITH A SLAP ON THE WRIST YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS COUNTRY DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT ANOTHER YOUNG NIGGA DYING! THIS SOME OL BULLSHIT!
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 13, 2013, 07:33:11 PM
This is some bullshit. I guess it's now legal to follow someone, start the fight then shoot them when you're losing. They done fucked up. Now anybody can claim this shit and get away, all they have to do is bring up this case.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: The Human Condom on July 13, 2013, 07:40:20 PM
Zimmerman beats women, assaults cops, molests his cousin and somehow this doesn't trump any and all of the character assassination brought upon Trayvon for just being a normal kid getting into irrelevant kid stuff.  This verdict makes me sick. 
Getting older and seeing similar stories like this makes it harder to believe there is any legitimate justice in this country.

Quote
The fundamental danger of an acquittal is not more riots, it is more George Zimmermans.
--     Jay Smooth
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 13, 2013, 07:40:38 PM
Meanwhile in Florida, a BLACK lady gets sentenced 20 years for firing warning shots IN THE AIR in order to fend off her abusive husband.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 13, 2013, 07:43:38 PM
Meanwhile in Florida, a BLACK lady gets sentenced 20 years for firing warning shots IN THE AIR in order to fend off her abusive husband.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/)
She's a nigger so it doesn't matter-America
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: dillanharp on July 13, 2013, 07:54:20 PM
White guilt in the house!!!
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Sleazy on July 13, 2013, 08:14:26 PM
Wow

guns don't kill people


riiiiight


pussys with guns is clearly a bad idea
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 13, 2013, 08:23:26 PM
Meanwhile in Florida, a BLACK lady gets sentenced 20 years for firing warning shots IN THE AIR in order to fend off her abusive husband.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/)
She's a nigger so it doesn't matter-America

the craziest part is that she thought she could claim self-defense but the judge rejected a defense under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. this woman has an 11 year old daughter she wont be able to see until she's in her 30's, all because she "stood her ground", and fired some warning shots inside her own home. yet zimmerman can be the aggressor in his situation, "stand his ground" against an unarmed 17 year old, and not even get a manslaughter charge. i really dont even know how this kind of shit is even allowed to pass thru our legal system.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on July 13, 2013, 08:28:05 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/c99bee6f925d98f4ed34dbf9051ee62a/tumblr_mpwpi1vOrv1reuqcco1_1280.png)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: L33Tg33k on July 13, 2013, 08:31:34 PM
This was cut and dry manslaughter. Aggressor attacks someone, that someone fights back and aggressor may or may not be losing the conflict, aggressor shoots the person he attacked, victim dies. I should be more jaded than this, but I'm really having a hard time believing Zimmerman got away with it. I'm a little bummed.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: oyolar on July 13, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
Meanwhile in Florida, a BLACK lady gets sentenced 20 years for firing warning shots IN THE AIR in order to fend off her abusive husband.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/)
She's a nigger so it doesn't matter-America

the craziest part is that she thought she could claim self-defense but the judge rejected a defense under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. this woman has an 11 year old daughter she wont be able to see until she's in her 30's, all because she "stood her ground", and fired some warning shots inside her own home. yet zimmerman can be the aggressor in his situation, "stand his ground" against an unarmed 17 year old, and not even get a manslaughter charge. i really dont even know how this kind of shit is even allowed to pass thru our legal system.

Because they're black Will.  Come on man--you should know this.  I'm white and I get this.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 13, 2013, 08:54:19 PM
The jury was all women. Of course they're gonna fuck it up.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: childhood on July 13, 2013, 09:02:02 PM
Honestly I thought the fact that they are all moms (I think) was going to make them more likely to find him guilty
This is really fucked. At least now he s fat/ a ton of people hate him and know what he looks like, so living a normal life will be impossible
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: weedpop on July 13, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
Meanwhile in Florida, a BLACK lady gets sentenced 20 years for firing warning shots IN THE AIR in order to fend off her abusive husband.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/)
She's a nigger so it doesn't matter-America

the craziest part is that she thought she could claim self-defense but the judge rejected a defense under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. this woman has an 11 year old daughter she wont be able to see until she's in her 30's, all because she "stood her ground", and fired some warning shots inside her own home. yet zimmerman can be the aggressor in his situation, "stand his ground" against an unarmed 17 year old, and not even get a manslaughter charge. i really dont even know how this kind of shit is even allowed to pass thru our legal system.

This woman of course committed the ultimate crime of being a minority female, which makes it twice as unsurprising/tragic. I think the real takeaway from all this is the absolute shittiness of the stand-your-ground-laws in Florida and other states that allow racist court systems the power of interpretation in order to pull shit like this.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Big Skatefase on July 13, 2013, 09:16:18 PM
not surprised. once again the american court system proves that the life of a black man means nothing. just look at how many cops get light sentencing or no jail time at all from police brutality or excessive force. oscar grant?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmJukcFzEX4#ws)

i'll make sure not to visit florida anytime soon. don't wanna get caught slippin skatin at night in a thrasher hoodie and get racially profiled and have a stange man that i don't know stalk me and confront me then shoot me once i beat his ass, then him get off scot free.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: poopnutsupreme on July 13, 2013, 09:28:18 PM
Life Goes On - Tupac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W69SSLfRJho#)
it's a fucked up world
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: wallieD on July 13, 2013, 09:51:07 PM
Meanwhile in Florida, a BLACK lady gets sentenced 20 years for firing warning shots IN THE AIR in order to fend off her abusive husband.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/)
She's a nigger so it doesn't matter-America

the craziest part is that she thought she could claim self-defense but the judge rejected a defense under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. this woman has an 11 year old daughter she wont be able to see until she's in her 30's, all because she "stood her ground", and fired some warning shots inside her own home. yet zimmerman can be the aggressor in his situation, "stand his ground" against an unarmed 17 year old, and not even get a manslaughter charge. i really dont even know how this kind of shit is even allowed to pass thru our legal system.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgXQLBkKA8w
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: few123456789 on July 13, 2013, 09:59:17 PM
None of us were there.  We have no idea what we're talking about.  If you want to be an armchair expert, go ahead, but I'm staying out of this one.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: WTFSoCaT on July 13, 2013, 10:03:17 PM
found it

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/11/stand_your_ground_law_helps_white_defendants_a_lot_more_than_black_ones/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/06/11/stand_your_ground_law_helps_white_defendants_a_lot_more_than_black_ones/)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: GarglesCmen on July 13, 2013, 10:07:12 PM
I knew this was the way it was going to be from almost the beginning. Listen, to say that you see there no reasonable doubt is blasphemous. I believe that it was a shady situation and I think Zimmerman was the aggressor in this case but I will be damned if I say that I couldn't see how people could say he was defending himself thus there was doubt to be had. Bad situation for everyone, and I feel bad for the parents of this most of all, you should never lose your kids in a manner such as this.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: joebudden on July 13, 2013, 10:10:37 PM
Trayvon daddy needs to do the LORDs work

Im not coming in contact with white people or white latinos for the next 24hrs so i dont end up on the news

thank GOD i dont know very many in the first place tho
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: dillanharp on July 13, 2013, 10:15:37 PM
Trayvon daddy needs to do the LORDs work

Im not coming in contact with white people or white latinos for the next 24hrs so i dont end up on the news

thank GOD i dont know very many in the first place tho

A) Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.

B) What's a white latino?

c) you're still a racist fuck and make the real Joe Budden look good.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: pinche gringo on July 13, 2013, 10:31:32 PM
This verdict is shameful. I'd be lying to say that I'm surprised, yet still, I'm disgusted.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: WeirdBeach on July 13, 2013, 11:31:04 PM
Trayvon daddy needs to do the LORDs work

Im not coming in contact with white people or white latinos for the next 24hrs so i dont end up on the news

thank GOD i dont know very many in the first place tho
yeah attack the first white person you see, that makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: joebudden on July 13, 2013, 11:33:18 PM
Trayvon daddy needs to do the LORDs work

Im not coming in contact with white people or white latinos for the next 24hrs so i dont end up on the news

thank GOD i dont know very many in the first place tho

A) Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.

B) What's a white latino?

c) you're still a racist fuck and make the real Joe Budden look good.

thanks

um....george zimmerman is a white latino
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: sexualhelon on July 13, 2013, 11:34:43 PM
This country, day after day, continues to further disgust me and leave a worse taste in my mouth than before.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: joebudden on July 13, 2013, 11:35:14 PM
Trayvon daddy needs to do the LORDs work

Im not coming in contact with white people or white latinos for the next 24hrs so i dont end up on the news

thank GOD i dont know very many in the first place tho
yeah attack the first white person you see, that makes a lot of sense.

i never said that
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: joebudden on July 13, 2013, 11:41:30 PM
its about time you fuckin crakkker get worried

i want yall to feel scared, worried, and profiled all the days of your lives

you muvafukkkas got it good now

but the tables will turn

your childrens children will be the niggers

and your white privivledge will be folklore

relish in the bath of black death

celebrate and party

us niggers are here to STAY

on top of all the fuckery we have been put through we  survive like roaches

shit.....we cant even KILL OURSELVES OFF

enjoy it now


the white man has just been given a permit to hunt niggers

this will only make us organize, unite, and ultimately fuck shit the fuck up

thank you all very much

and kiss my black ass

g'nite
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: vegan*shawn on July 14, 2013, 12:16:58 AM
Trayvon daddy needs to do the LORDs work

Im not coming in contact with white people or white latinos for the next 24hrs so i dont end up on the news

thank GOD i dont know very many in the first place tho

A) Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.

B) What's a white latino?

c) you're still a racist fuck and make the real Joe Budden look good.

A white latino is a person whose family is mostly Spanish blood, mostly light skin and consider themselves white. One of my best friends, Angel (RIP) schooled me on this.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: EnjoiSanJose on July 14, 2013, 12:47:12 AM
some country we live in...
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 14, 2013, 05:07:01 AM
Trayvon daddy needs to do the LORDs work

Im not coming in contact with white people or white latinos for the next 24hrs so i dont end up on the news

thank GOD i dont know very many in the first place tho

A) Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.

B) What's a white latino?

c) you're still a racist fuck and make the real Joe Budden look good.

A white latino is a person whose family is mostly Spanish blood, mostly light skin and consider themselves white. One of my best friends, Angel (RIP) schooled me on this.

Vegan where is your outrage over joebudden's post?

You called everyone who "supported" George Zimmerman a racist piece of shit. Wheres your outrage over someone literally saying they will beat up any white person they see? I get that joebudden's posts are all over the top, but hundreds of black people saying the same thing on twitter? Cool stuff.

This is why people no longer take liberals seriously when they talk about racism. Also the reason most people outraged over this case should be ignored for that matter. That don't even know or care what happened. George was Hispanic, but I guess all white people should get beat up. It's only fair.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on July 14, 2013, 05:41:51 AM
yes, let us all cry for the poor white people reading these hurtful tweets. #staystrongbrothers
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 14, 2013, 05:44:37 AM
No, just be fucking consistent or don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on July 14, 2013, 05:46:39 AM
its a hard knock life for us whiteys, we ain't safe on social networking no more. whats next, country clubs?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Sleazy on July 14, 2013, 05:51:36 AM
this is hilarious. what the fuck does this have to do with white people? what's the slur for a white mexican? cracker con queso?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 14, 2013, 05:58:51 AM
its a hard knock life for us whiteys, we ain't safe on social networking no more. whats next, country clubs?

Again, it's just embarrassingly inconsistent.


YOU THINK PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THE SITUATION?! YOU ARE A RACIST PIECE OF SHIT!!!!

Oh you are openly stating you will beat up or kill white people? Das cool.


It's gay. You're gay.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: The Drew on July 14, 2013, 08:04:09 AM
Trayvon daddy needs to do the LORDs work

Im not coming in contact with white people or white latinos for the next 24hrs so i dont end up on the news

thank GOD i dont know very many in the first place tho
yeah attack the first white person you see, that makes a lot of sense.

i never said that

hey dagger, joebudden might be implying that because he is black he is going to get racially profiled and thus stalked and shot by a white person or a  white latino... he never specifically stated he was going to go attack anyone... its all up to how you interpret things, kind of like how the jury interpreted this case (they fudged up big time though)

now back to the topic at hand...
it sucks that the person who instigated the whole thing (of course it was motivated by race) gets off... and of course he was lying to protect himself during the trial so he didn't rot in a cell (the key witness for the prosecution was killed by the defendant so it was his word against???)...

sad sad state of affairs

george zimmerman you sir are the douchiest or all douches 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Gnarfunkell on July 14, 2013, 08:42:49 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/r0AYH.gif)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: colin on July 14, 2013, 09:01:57 AM
Part of me is mad about this, but I think anger is, at best, fruitless, and probably more damaging; Kulananda writes about phenomena of globalization and atomization occurring withing the same individual. A representation of globalization is an individual going home to his apartment at night and watching news stories about atrocities in far off lands, while that individual has no ability to affect those situations. At the same time, that individual doesn't even know is neighbors. His world exists inside that apartment. That is atomization.
Kulananda's point was that an individual's ability to impact the world positively exists at the community level.

What does Trayvon's spirit want you to do?

Possible take a kid to the park. Help an old lady with her groceries. If thousands of individuals did one small act like that in his remembrance, then his passing would not have been in vain.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: sweet pee on July 14, 2013, 09:08:20 AM
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/67905_652117641483147_658006640_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 14, 2013, 10:15:54 AM
Some reactions:

(http://i.imgur.com/Maqkeer.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ypKCuh8.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/aa9NdSa.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/fyCiGHf.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/iPJ3jLm.jpg)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 14, 2013, 10:49:09 AM
Part of me is mad about this, but I think anger is, at best, fruitless, and probably more damaging; Kulananda writes about phenomena of globalization and atomization occurring withing the same individual. A representation of globalization is an individual going home to his apartment at night and watching news stories about atrocities in far off lands, while that individual has no ability to affect those situations. At the same time, that individual doesn't even know is neighbors. His world exists inside that apartment. That is atomization.
Kulananda's point was that an individual's ability to impact the world positively exists at the community level.

What does Trayvon's spirit want you to do?

Possible take a kid to the park. Help an old lady with her groceries. If thousands of individuals did one small act like that in his remembrance, then his passing would not have been in vain.

that's a nice post.  and a nice thought

i bet if Trayvon were alive he'd want there to be some sort of effort made toward improving underlying problem here (stand your ground law / gun laws in general).  not just for people to help old ladies with their groceries. 

this was a tough case, for sure.  i was pretty sure he wouldn't be convicted due to lack of evidence.  still, it doesn't seem right.  i think the fact that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon, even after being told not to, combined with the fact that Trayvon was not seen doing anything wrong, puts Zimmerman in the wrong.  that's not standing your ground, that's seeking conflict

as far as Florida is concerned, anyone who steps near your property can be attacked at gunpoint, and if that person reacts violently then you are allowed to shoot them dead.  seems pretty fucked
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: WTFSoCaT on July 14, 2013, 11:33:08 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article-1.1209345 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-shoots-teen-loud-music-article-1.1209345)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Hairy Ballsagna on July 14, 2013, 12:17:30 PM
^That article is seven months old, btw.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: WTFSoCaT on July 14, 2013, 12:34:03 PM
well, here's an update: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/jordan-davis-shooter-michael-dunn_n_2299544.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/jordan-davis-shooter-michael-dunn_n_2299544.html)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: vegan*shawn on July 14, 2013, 01:21:54 PM
Trayvon daddy needs to do the LORDs work

Im not coming in contact with white people or white latinos for the next 24hrs so i dont end up on the news

thank GOD i dont know very many in the first place tho

A) Fuck you, you racist piece of shit.

B) What's a white latino?

c) you're still a racist fuck and make the real Joe Budden look good.

A white latino is a person whose family is mostly Spanish blood, mostly light skin and consider themselves white. One of my best friends, Angel (RIP) schooled me on this.

Vegan where is your outrage over joebudden's post?

You called everyone who "supported" George Zimmerman a racist piece of shit. Wheres your outrage over someone literally saying they will beat up any white person they see? I get that joebudden's posts are all over the top, but hundreds of black people saying the same thing on twitter? Cool stuff.

This is why people no longer take liberals seriously when they talk about racism. Also the reason most people outraged over this case should be ignored for that matter. That don't even know or care what happened. George was Hispanic, but I guess all white people should get beat up. It's only fair.

I feel that his post was over the top and just trying to get a rise out of everyone so I choose to ignore it. I am sure there are a lot of angry people who want to lash out at anyone because of this miscarriage of justice, if this happens I will be just as angry at their misplaced revenge.
At the end of the day George Zimmerman got away with murder and once again America showed that black men are not viewed as equals in this country.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: weedpop on July 14, 2013, 03:25:35 PM
its a hard knock life for us whiteys, we ain't safe on social networking no more. whats next, country clubs?

Again, it's just embarrassingly inconsistent.


YOU THINK PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THE SITUATION?! YOU ARE A RACIST PIECE OF SHIT!!!!

Oh you are openly stating you will beat up or kill white people? Das cool.


It's gay. You're gay.

It's hard to get as outraged over offensive tweets as over the death of an innocent teenager. You're showing the same lack of perspective as those people who scream "white genocide!" when a darkie steps in front of them in line at the local walmart.

I understand your point of view on the case and the self defense question, but the fact that you've expended most of your energy in this thread finding examples of Black people acting ignorant (which obviously have nothing to do with the context of the case) is extremely suspect.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 14, 2013, 03:29:13 PM
You're showing the same lack of perspective as those people who scream "white genocide!" when a darkie steps in front of them in line at the local walmart.

This is something that happens.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bentmode on July 14, 2013, 03:58:28 PM
LOLZ @ WHITE LATINO/ WHERE MY BROWN LATINOS @ WE NEED TO BAND NOW THAT THE RACE WAR HAS BEGUN THE WHITE LATINOS THE WHITES THE BLACKS AND POS THE BROWN ARABS AS WELL AS THE WHITE ARABS (JEW$) WILL ALL BE AFTER US FIRST FLEE TO THE PANAMA CANAL THEY DARK AS SHIT THERE
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bentmode on July 14, 2013, 04:01:06 PM
P.S. ANYONE WHO CALLS THE POLICE LOSES THEIR HOOD PASS/GREEN CARD
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: few123456789 on July 14, 2013, 06:40:31 PM
Does anyone here think we should punish the jurors? 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 14, 2013, 07:13:00 PM
Straight back to the kitchen they go.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: few123456789 on July 14, 2013, 07:58:02 PM
If I broke someone's nose and bashed their head on the concrete nobody would call me innocent.

The media is disgusting.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: augustmoon on July 14, 2013, 08:10:06 PM
Does anyone here think we should punish the jurors?�
 
the jurors were following the instructions of the court.  this verdict came about because of the narrow definitions of the crime and the creation of reasonable doubt of the defense team, not the ignorance or stupidity of the jurors.  court cases, especially cases like this, are very specific about what evidence the jurors can consider and what criteria they have to follow when deciding the case.  its never as simple as a "right or wrong" decision.  our court system is supposed to favor the defendant.  the burden of proof in on the prosecution.  of course it doesn't always work that way, but the concept is that it is better for a guilty person to go free then an innocent person be convicted.  

i personally don't agree with this verdict, but there is obviously some evidence the public isn't privy to that changed the outcome of this case so none of us can really play armchair quarterback because none of us have all of the facts.  If I had to speculate, I would think that there may have been a point where Trayvon used force that went beyond his own self-defense and into aggravated assault/attempted murder.  That may or may not have been the case, but all there needs to be in the minds of the jurors is reasonable doubt and they HAVE to vote not guilty.  

I think this creates a VERY dangerous precedent.  As skaters, we all have encountered some over zealous citizen trying to be a hero and "protect the streets" at our expense.  I don't know about any of you, but if some random citizen came up to me talking crazy and, god forbid, put his hands on me, I would beat the ever living fuck out of him.  This decision says that the aggressor would be in the right, and someone defending themselves not only deserves to die, but to be vilified as well.  
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Big Skatefase on July 14, 2013, 08:34:49 PM


I think this creates a VERY dangerous precedent.  As skaters, we all have encountered some over zealous citizen trying to be a hero and "protect the streets" at our expense.  I don't know about any of you, but if some random citizen came up to me talking crazy and, god forbid, put his hands on me, I would beat the ever living fuck out of him.  This decision says that the aggressor would be in the right, and someone defending themselves not only deserves to die, but to be vilified as well.  

society would call you a "punk skater" and create a smear campaign by pulling up anything they can to make you fit the "punk skater" profile.

Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jerrys_kids on July 14, 2013, 09:58:49 PM
But its not over yet.

http://nationalreport.net/obama-files-federal-charges-against-george-zimmerman-following-acquittal-in-shooting-murder-of-trayvon-martin/ (http://nationalreport.net/obama-files-federal-charges-against-george-zimmerman-following-acquittal-in-shooting-murder-of-trayvon-martin/)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: dillanharp on July 14, 2013, 10:14:33 PM
But its not over yet.

http://nationalreport.net/obama-files-federal-charges-against-george-zimmerman-following-acquittal-in-shooting-murder-of-trayvon-martin/ (http://nationalreport.net/obama-files-federal-charges-against-george-zimmerman-following-acquittal-in-shooting-murder-of-trayvon-martin/)

Sick dude, I'm glad you can bring us groundbreaking reporting such as this...
http://nationalreport.net/twins-separated-at-birth-wed-produce-hideous-incest-love-child/ (http://nationalreport.net/twins-separated-at-birth-wed-produce-hideous-incest-love-child/)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: weedpop on July 14, 2013, 10:46:18 PM
You're showing the same lack of perspective as those people who scream "white genocide!" when a darkie steps in front of them in line at the local walmart.

This is something that happens.

Hyperbole. But honestly, what does it say about you and your appreciation of "context" that you're insisting we be as outraged over belligerent tweets as over the unnecessary killing of a real, live person. You must know those two things are not equal right?

It is a similar logic to that used by many white supremacist groups (believe me, I have read their manifestos) who claim the removal of white privilege constitutes a genocidal campaign against white culture.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: few123456789 on July 14, 2013, 11:00:05 PM
Think for a second.

Someone breaks your nose.  BREAKS IT.

They pound your head into the cement.  

You gonna just wait for the po po?  Since when do we trust the police as skaters?  Fucking a.

I would have beat the shit out of whoever did that to me and if I felt I was too physically weak to carry that out I would have shot him.  There isn't a person here who would do it differently.

If Trayvon was a white 17-19 year old we wouldn't have ever heard of this.  The media want to make it a racial murder.  

The whole thing sucks.  I wish Trayvon was still alive.  I wish we didn't have to hear about the case every day.  It was buffed up by a media that fools you EVERY DAY.  
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Ollie Ringwald on July 14, 2013, 11:23:20 PM
Again though, what would you all do if your neighborhood was getting broken into every week? You wouldn't consider getting a gun?

Nope, I might change my locks or something. And most people in most parts of the world would probably do something similar.

I'm not American so I'm not ludicrously obsessed with race issues and haven't read much about this but it seems like two stupid people had a stupid fight for stupid reasons but because one had a gun one of them is now dead.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: El Kevo on July 15, 2013, 01:42:44 AM
O.J. 2.0... who cares. go skate.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 15, 2013, 05:03:12 AM
Hyperbole. But honestly, what does it say about you and your appreciation of "context" that you're insisting we be as outraged over belligerent tweets as over the unnecessary killing of a real, live person. You must know those two things are not equal right?

I insisted no such thing. I said that this was a tragedy, but simply pointed out that for people constantly throwing out racist charges at anyone who wasn't convinced this was first degree murder(I suggested manslaughter charges were more appropriate, but really we don't know the context of the fight), most don't seem to give a fuck about people openly calling for violence against white people. All over something a Hispanic Jew did. Really great stuff. I called those white kids who were "Trayvon'-ing" racist idiots. Why does it take so much for liberals and blacks to call out blacks for being racist idiots? Again, this is why people no longer take anti-racism crusaders seriously.

I feel really bad for Trayvon's parents, and I respect them very much for their reactions and statements since the verdict.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Sleazy on July 15, 2013, 08:11:06 AM
If Trayvon was a white 17-19 year old we wouldn't have ever heard of this.

correct, because he'd still be alive because he wouldn't have gotten profiled, stalked and harassed

not saying that living where george lives and facing his reality makes that an unreasonable profile. he might live in a sketchy area where the profile of trayvon matches the profile of most of the recent breakins. but regardless race was a big part of the profile and this is why it's a race issue because without it, it's likely this innocent kid would still be alive.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Prison Wallet on July 15, 2013, 08:34:16 AM
Kind of a logical consequence for Zimmerman to get his ass kicked. You can't just follow and harass someone for having a certain look. And when that logical consequence kicks in you sure as shit can't shoot the kid who was minding his own business.

I live in a neighborhood that has break-ins regularly so I have a dog and fenced in yard. I'm not following people around with a fucking gun.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 15, 2013, 08:37:22 AM
Think for a second.

Someone breaks your nose. �BREAKS IT.

They pound your head into the cement. �

You gonna just wait for the po po? �Since when do we trust the police as skaters? �Fucking a.

I would have beat the shit out of whoever did that to me and if I felt I was too physically weak to carry that out I would have shot him. �There isn't a person here who would do it differently.


if some dude came at me at night shouting at me with a gun and we got into a wrestling match, i'd have no qualms about breaking his nose or pounding his head in.  you think Trayvon went out of his way to attack Zimmerman?  on his way back from getting skittles.  you don't think Zimmerman instigated anything?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Prison Wallet on July 15, 2013, 09:27:40 AM
Few123 is either a troll or half retarded. Or a half retarded troll.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 15, 2013, 10:17:23 AM
Think for a second.

Someone breaks your nose.  BREAKS IT.
 

I have had my nose broken at least three times, it's not much different than a black eye and sure as shit doesn't justify killing someone.  I can look back on several experiences in my life where I didn't step into a situation as an aggressor but somebody could have shot me dead the same way George did and based on the results of this trial they would have walked.  People fuck up, killing someone is a mistake that can't be rectified.

From what I can tell Georgie boy was the aggressor. '"Fucking punks" and "These assholes always get away". The dude probably can't make it ten minutes into a Batman movie without dropping his pants, spitting on his hand and playing a little five on one basketball.  It appears that he bit off more than he could chew based on assumptions that were wrong in the end and then killed somebody because it didn't play out like he had hoped.  In my opinion,  all the evidence made available to the public makes a pretty good case that Trayvon was "standing his ground" and responding to a threat a helluvalot more so than Zimmerman.

Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 15, 2013, 10:24:01 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/legal-future-zimmerman/2516201/?sf14988365=1 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/legal-future-zimmerman/2516201/?sf14988365=1)

There's a few petitions to get the federal government to file a civil suit because most people that aren't fucking stupid realize this is bullshit.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: few123456789 on July 15, 2013, 11:13:14 AM
Few123 is either a troll or half retarded. Or a half retarded troll.
I'm neither; we just disagree.  And that's no reason to call someone a troll.  All of the evidence backed up that Zimmerman did not throw the first punch and that's why he was acquitted by a jury of six people.  Are they half retarded too? 

Look, if we're going to have some national debate about this, let's start it off by asking why violence is the answer to solve a situation.  Especially among young people these days, even skaters.  There were over 70 shootings in Chicago during the 4th of July weekend.  No one seemed to give a shit.  Did you read about that anywhere? 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: few123456789 on July 15, 2013, 11:21:44 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/legal-future-zimmerman/2516201/?sf14988365=1 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/14/legal-future-zimmerman/2516201/?sf14988365=1)

There's a few petitions to get the federal government to file a civil suit because most people that aren't fucking stupid realize this is bullshit.
They can do that but it won't result in anything.  Holder is not going to file a suit he can't win.  Dershowitz always annoys me, but I respect him as a very good lawyer and interpreter of the law.  He is out there saying the prosecutor in the case should be disbarred.  He must be half retarded and fucking stupid.

Zimmerman was convicted by the media before trial, called a murderer, had his 911 tape doctored, etc.  No one is going to win a civil suit against him.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Big Skatefase on July 15, 2013, 11:41:32 AM
 There were over 70 shootings in Chicago during the 4th of July weekend.  No one seemed to give a shit.  Did you read about that anywhere?  

people need to stop with this angle.

"kids die all the time, why do people care about sandy hook?" see how dumb that sounds?

there are rallies ALL THE TIME in chicago against gang violence.

black people don't own cnn or fox news. they have no control over what the media chooses to show and what not to show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mt4YvBMHI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7mt4YvBMHI#)

stuff like this gets ignored in mainstream media and people act like there are no people speaking up against that stuff.

even then those suspects are arrested and jailed. the family of trayvon martin had to protest JUST TO GET A TRIAL.

don't compare the two, it just makes you look ignorant.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: joebudden on July 15, 2013, 11:49:39 AM
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh03yNOoiHvc9AQ83I (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh03yNOoiHvc9AQ83I)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: stab on July 15, 2013, 12:33:44 PM
But its not over yet.

http://nationalreport.net/obama-files-federal-charges-against-george-zimmerman-following-acquittal-in-shooting-murder-of-trayvon-martin/ (http://nationalreport.net/obama-files-federal-charges-against-george-zimmerman-following-acquittal-in-shooting-murder-of-trayvon-martin/)

Sick dude, I'm glad you can bring us groundbreaking reporting such as this...
http://nationalreport.net/twins-separated-at-birth-wed-produce-hideous-incest-love-child/ (http://nationalreport.net/twins-separated-at-birth-wed-produce-hideous-incest-love-child/)

Ok all of that was fake? I read both of those articles and was shitting myself.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bentmode on July 15, 2013, 12:51:50 PM
^ some top notch journalism right there. Only the truth seekers could use a word like sin.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: The Nose Face on July 15, 2013, 01:20:10 PM
Find myself wanting to know more about the bullet trajectory...and who was screaming on the tape.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 15, 2013, 01:25:57 PM
Quote from: The Nose Face  link=topic=71498.msg1954504#msg1954504 date=1373919610
Find myself wanting to know more about the bullet trajectory...and who was screaming on the tape.

supposedly the gunshot came from 6 to 18 inches away & some audio/language experts couldnt tell who was screaming on the tape.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: casper on July 15, 2013, 02:03:25 PM
there should be some sort of IQ test for people to own guns.  we have to pass a test to drive so why not one to own a gun? is there one?  i dont actually know.  im not a fan of firearms.   im not saying that would fix this situation but it might make it harder for idiots like george zimmerman to be walking around with a gun making rash chocies that lead to this kinda crap.  and  yes george zimmerman is a racist ignorant idiot.  none of this would have happened if he listened to the 911 operator that told him to stay in the car or whatever.  he felt like he was a big man cause he had a gun.  typical pussy shit.  hopefully karma comes around because once again the american judicial system has failed. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 15, 2013, 05:18:58 PM
I think the disconnect a lot of you are having is that you may be right about the fact that:

-George was the instigator and in the wrong.
-Trayvon was innocent and simply defending himself.
-Our gun culture is insane.
-Racism exists.


Yet still be wrong about the verdict of the trial. Do any of you understand reasonable doubt? I have yet to hear a compelling argument as to how George beyond a shadow of a doubt sought to kill Trayvon. All we know is what led up to it, with a few witnesses saying they saw Trayvon on top and someone hearing a scream... Hardly a airtight case. George could have ran up to Trayvon and yelled the N-word in his face and still not be guilty of murder. Do you all get that?

So here is your chance, make your case on how he was guilty of seeking to kill Trayvon, beyond a reasonable doubt.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Prison Wallet on July 15, 2013, 06:52:13 PM
When he pulled out a loaded gun and pulled the trigger less than two feet from Trevon's chest I think it's safe to say he meant to kill him. Beyond a reasonable doubt. I think second degree murder would have been appropriate.

Or if that's too much of a stretch at least manslaughter. When you instigate a fight, have a loaded gun in your pants and end up using that gun to kill somebody? Come on. Actually I take that back. Even manslaughter would have been bullshit. Second degree murder.

It's the Stand Your Ground law that's bullshit and facilitates systemic racism. In cases like this it throws common sense and logical consequences to the wind.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: The Human Condom on July 15, 2013, 07:31:43 PM
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Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 15, 2013, 08:00:49 PM

Yet still be wrong about the verdict of the trial. Do any of you understand reasonable doubt? I have yet to hear a compelling argument as to how George beyond a shadow of a doubt sought to kill Trayvon. All we know is what led up to it, with a few witnesses saying they saw Trayvon on top and someone hearing a scream... Hardly a airtight case. George could have ran up to Trayvon and yelled the N-word in his face and still not be guilty of murder. Do you all get that?


I served on a jury in which two gunshot victims testified against the person who shot them and even that was tough when taking "beyond a reasonable doubt" serious.  I understand that yes, it's very difficult to be sure "beyond a reasonable doubt" when your decision will impact the rest of someone's life.  I can only hope that those jurors know a lot that we don't that would shed some light on what appears to be a completely bullshit decision. 

I'd argue that you are only seeing one side of it.  There is no question as to whether or not George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin.  It's a fact that no one is arguing.  The argument is whether or not he was justified in doing so and I don't see shit that even comes close to providing a valid reason for shooting someone.  Trayvon was not in the act of committing a crime, there is no evidence that he posed a threat to anyone, in my opinion he had a good reason to think that some random stranger who wasn't identified as a law enforcement officer or security guard posed a threat to his own safety,  he was 100% justified in being where he was at the time of the incident and he was unarmed.  Pulling a gun, aiming it at a human and pulling the trigger is intent to kill and murder if that person dies.  This wasn't an accidental discharge.  Where is the proof the Zimmerman's life was in danger and that he did not approach Trayvon in a manner that threatened violence when the altercation occurred?  I haven't seen shit that proves Zimmerman didn't start the whole thing and based on the lead up it looks like he did.  There is clear evidence that he had the opportunity to engage his target or not and he chose to engage.  Given that a death was the result, there better be heaps of evidence that justify him killing someone in self-defense for him to walk on the whole deal and nothing has really been made public from what I can tell.  Since when can we run around shooting people and then leave it up to the dead victim to argue that they didn't deserve it?

Drunk drivers get harsher sentences when they cause an accident that kills somebody and that's a hell of a lot more of an accidental death than this was. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Buddha on July 15, 2013, 10:16:24 PM
East Flatbush Project - Tried By 12 (Dirty) ''Original Version'' + Lyrics ! ' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKEhBA_6QAU#ws)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 15, 2013, 10:37:55 PM
TheYoungTurks- Why People Should Be Outraged at Zimmerman's 'Not Guilty' Verdict (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtcveaMUJSI&feature=player_embedded#ws)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 16, 2013, 12:00:51 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-911-20120319_1_neighborhood-county-sheriff-s-office-crime-watch (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-911-20120319_1_neighborhood-county-sheriff-s-office-crime-watch)

according to this he was paranoid about black males which absolutely makes this about race because then he clearly did follow Trayvon based upon race.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 16, 2013, 04:55:14 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-911-20120319_1_neighborhood-county-sheriff-s-office-crime-watch (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-911-20120319_1_neighborhood-county-sheriff-s-office-crime-watch)

according to this he was paranoid about black males which absolutely makes this about race because then he clearly did follow Trayvon based upon race.

Well he probably shouldn't have been following anyone, espicially against the 911 dispatchers orders. But if he was to be following someone, an unidentified young black male would have been the correct "type". That's who was breaking into houses in their neghborhood over and over again... Who should he have profiled instead? His elderly jewish neghbor?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 16, 2013, 08:05:32 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-911-20120319_1_neighborhood-county-sheriff-s-office-crime-watch (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-911-20120319_1_neighborhood-county-sheriff-s-office-crime-watch)

according to this he was paranoid about black males which absolutely makes this about race because then he clearly did follow Trayvon based upon race.

Well he probably shouldn't have been following anyone, espicially against the 911 dispatchers orders. But if he was to be following someone, an unidentified young black male would have been the correct "type". That's who was breaking into houses in their neghborhood over and over again... Who should he have profiled instead? His elderly jewish neghbor?
white people commit more crimes than blacks do so why don't we profile them? Right, because blacks are scary.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 16, 2013, 10:15:06 AM
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-911-20120319_1_neighborhood-county-sheriff-s-office-crime-watch (http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-19/news/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-george-zimmerman-911-20120319_1_neighborhood-county-sheriff-s-office-crime-watch)

according to this he was paranoid about black males which absolutely makes this about race because then he clearly did follow Trayvon based upon race.

Well he probably shouldn't have been following anyone, espicially against the 911 dispatchers orders. But if he was to be following someone, an unidentified young black male would have been the correct "type". That's who was breaking into houses in their neghborhood over and over again... Who should he have profiled instead? His elderly jewish neghbor?

dude, give it up
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 16, 2013, 10:51:23 AM
this woman was so angry that this 73 year old singer dedicated a song to Trayvon she decided to attack him

http://sfist.com/2013/07/16/video_musician_attacked_onstage_aft.php (http://sfist.com/2013/07/16/video_musician_attacked_onstage_aft.php)


Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 16, 2013, 10:54:56 AM
This is my personal opinion of what actually happened: Zimmerman sees Martin walking slowly from house to house in the rain so he calls the police, reports him, and follows him. He gets out of the car because he doesn't want Martin to get away. While they are both on foot in the dark they stumble across each other, either because Martin doubled back or by chance. Martin, who is understandably scared and angry at being followed punches Zimmerman in the nose, knocks him down, gets on top of him and starts punching him in the face. Zimmerman at this point starts screaming for help. Up until this point I think everything is as Zimmerman described it and most of this is supported by witnesses. What I don't believe however is that Martin saw the gun, went for it, and said "You're dead now!" I think Zimmerman lied and made that part up. I think he was getting beaten and he panicked, grabbed his gun and shot Martin in the chest. I have no way of knowing that however, and there are no witnesses except Zimmerman. That means none of you know how it exactly happened either.

Regardless, given the facts I think the jury made the right decision and there was reasonable doubt Zimmerman was not even guilty of manslaughter. Zimmerman was never a racist, he was an overly eager wannabe cop in a neighborhood where there had been a lot of break-ins. Martin wasn't some little kid who got hunted down by some gun waving lunatic and shot execution style, I think Zimmerman shot him because he panicked and was momentarily afraid for his life. The media really turned this into something it wasn't.

What a lot of people are going to think forever was that Zimmerman was a racist psychopath who hunted a little black kid down out of sheer hateful bloodlust and shot him in the heart. Like just straight up executed him. I don't understand how people rationalize the part where Zimmerman calls the police before he even gets out of his car though. If his intention was murder, why call the police beforehand? Why not kill Martin, punch himself in the nose and scratch up the back of his head, threaten/bribe the witnesses into saying Martin was on top of him beating him, and then call the police. Seems like a huge unnecessary risk to call the police before he has everything squared away.

Anyway, some more fuel for the fire:


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Trayvon at the time was suspended from school because they had found women's jewelry and a burglary tool in his backpack. He wasn't charged because the jewelry couldn't be traced back to a specific breakin but he couldn't account for where he had gotten it. The toxicology report showed thc in his blood as well as a beginning liver cirrosis as well as minor brain damage. Both symptoms of repeated use of "lean". If you don't know what that is do a Googe. Two of the main ingredients are skittles and Iced tea, btw. Other long term effects are paranoia and propensity for violent breakouts. His cellphone records show that would regularly get into fights. He brags about beating people bloody, breaking their nose, among other things.


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The police surveillance video, recently shown on ABC National News shows a fairly slender George Zimmerman the night of the attack. A close friend of Zimmerman, Joe Oliver, says Zimmerman is 5'8" and currently only weighs 170 pounds.

The police estimated Trayvon at 6'0" and 160 pounds when they wrote the police report the night he was shot. This was probably a conservative estimate, as his family has reported his height at 6'2".



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Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, "This is for Trayvon."

He described all of the males as between 16 and 18 and told police a 6-foot suspect with a black "stretchy" shirt and mohawk told him, "What's up, [expletive]." When the victim raised his phone to call 911, the suspect raised his shirt and flashed a silver handgun in his waistband.

The victim turned and ran before he was caught in the 2800 block of Fairmont and was beaten, police said. He sustained abrasions to his elbows and forearms but refused medical attention.

Police listed all of the suspects involved as black males. Three were "skinny" while one was described as overweight.

Dudley, who lives in the neighborhood, said she worries about her Hispanic neighbors and said she and other residents were looking for ways to warn them of the incident beyond Facebook. Patterson Park has one of the city's highest concentration of Latinos and is home to the city's annual Latino Fest.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: floop on July 16, 2013, 10:58:02 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/john-oliver-reacts-to-zimmerman-verdict_n_3603714.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/john-oliver-reacts-to-zimmerman-verdict_n_3603714.html?utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Prison Wallet on July 16, 2013, 07:20:04 PM
there was reasonable doubt Zimmerman was not even guilty of manslaughter.

You're a fucking nitwit. Read up on the definition of manslaughter and some sample cases.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: few123456789 on July 16, 2013, 07:53:08 PM
there was reasonable doubt Zimmerman was not even guilty of manslaughter.

You're a fucking nitwit. Read up on the definition of manslaughter and some sample cases.
This is a sample case. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 16, 2013, 08:08:52 PM
there was reasonable doubt Zimmerman was not even guilty of manslaughter.

You're a fucking nitwit. Read up on the definition of manslaughter and some sample cases.

Read my posts in this thread bozo. I predicted a manslaughter conviction. However, the prosecution couldn't make a compelling case for this, and neither has anyone here.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 16, 2013, 08:27:56 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/trayvon_martin_verdict_racism_hate_crimes_prosecution_and_other_overreactions.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/07/trayvon_martin_verdict_racism_hate_crimes_prosecution_and_other_overreactions.html)

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Trayvon Martin is dead, George Zimmerman has been acquitted, and millions of people are outraged. Some politicians are demanding a second prosecution of Zimmerman, this time for hate crimes. Others are blaming the tragedy on "Stand Your Ground" laws, which they insist must be repealed. Many who saw the case as proof of racism in the criminal justice system see the verdict as further confirmation. Everywhere you look, people feel vindicated in their bitter assumptions. They want action.

But that's how Martin ended up dead. It's how Zimmerman ended up with a bulletproof vest he might have to wear for the rest of his life. It?s how activists and the media embarrassed themselves with bogus reports. The problem at the core of this case wasn?t race or guns. The problem was assumption, misperception, and overreaction. And that cycle hasn?t ended with the verdict. It has escalated.
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I almost joined the frenzy. Yesterday I was going to write that Zimmerman pursued Martin against police instructions and illustrated the perils of racial profiling. But I hadn?t followed the case in detail. So I sat down and watched the closing arguments: nearly seven hours of video in which the prosecution and defense went point by point through the evidence as it had been hashed out at the trial. Based on what I learned from the videos, I did some further reading.

It turned out I had been wrong about many things. The initial portrait of Zimmerman as a racist wasn't just exaggerated. It was completely unsubstantiated. It?s a case study in how the same kind of bias that causes racism can cause unwarranted allegations of racism. Some of the people Zimmerman had reported as suspicious were black men, so he was a racist. Members of his family seemed racist, so he was a racist. Everybody knew he was a racist, so his recorded words were misheard as racial slurs, proving again that he was a racist.

The 911 dispatcher who spoke to Zimmerman on the fatal night didn't tell him to stay in his car. Zimmerman said he was following a suspicious person, and the dispatcher told him, "We don't need you to do that." Chief prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda conceded in his closing argument that these words were ambiguous. De la Rionda also acknowledged, based on witness and forensic evidence, that both men were scraping and rolling and fighting out there. He pointed out that the wounds, blood evidence, and DNA didn?t match Zimmerman's story of being thoroughly restrained and pummeled throughout the fight. But the evidence didn't fit the portrait of Martin as a sweet-tempered child, either. And the notion that Zimmerman hunted down Martin to accost him made no sense. Zimmerman knew the police were on the way. They arrived only a minute or so after the gunshot. The fight happened in a public area surrounded by townhouses at close range. It was hardly the place or time to start shooting.

That doesn't make Zimmerman a hero. It just makes him a reckless fool instead of a murderer. In a post-verdict press conference, his lawyer, Mark O'Mara, claimed that "the evidence supported that George Zimmerman did nothing wrong," that ?the jury decided that he acted properly in self-defense," and that Zimmerman "was never guilty of anything except protecting himself in self-defense. I'm glad that the jury saw it that way." That?s complete BS. The only thing the jury decided was that there was reasonable doubt as to whether Zimmerman had committed second-degree murder or manslaughter.

Zimmerman is guilty, morally if not legally, of precipitating the confrontation that led to Martin?s death. He did many things wrong. Mistake No. 1 was inferring that Martin was a burglar. In his 911 call, Zimmerman cited Martin?s behavior. "It's raining, and he's just walking around" looking at houses, Zimmerman said. He warned the dispatcher, "He's got his hand in his waistband." He described Martin's race and clothing only after the dispatcher asked about them. Whatever its basis, the inference was false.

Mistake No. 2 was pursuing Martin on foot. Zimmerman had already done what the neighborhood watch rules advised: He had called the police. They would have arrived, questioned Martin, and ascertained that he was innocent. Instead, Zimmerman, packing a concealed firearm, got out and started walking after Martin. Zimmerman's initial story, that he was trying to check the name of the street, was so laughable that his attorneys abandoned it. He was afraid Martin would get away. So he followed Martin, hoping to update the cops.

Mistake No. 3 was Zimmerman?s utter failure to imagine how his behavior looked to Martin. You're a black kid walking home from a convenience store with Skittles and a fruit drink. Some dude in a car is watching and trailing you. God knows what he wants. You run away. He gets out of the car and follows you. What are you supposed to do? In Zimmerman's initial interrogation, the police expressed surprise that he hadn't identified himself to Martin as a neighborhood watch volunteer. They suggested that Martin might have been alarmed when Zimmerman reached for an object that Zimmerman, but not Martin, knew was a phone. Zimmerman seemed baffled. He was so convinced of Martin?s criminal intent that he hadn't considered how Martin, if he were innocent, would perceive his stalker.

Martin, meanwhile, was profiling Zimmerman. On his phone, he told a friend he was being followed by a "creepy-ass cracker." The friend who later testified that this phrase meant pervert advised Martin, "You better run" She reported, as Zimmerman did, that Martin challenged Zimmerman, demanding to know why he was being hassled. If Zimmerman?s phobic misreading of Martin was the first wrong turn that led to their fatal struggle, Martin's phobic misreading of Zimmerman may have been the second.
In court, evidence and scrutiny have exposed these difficult, complicated truths. But outside the court, ideologues are ignoring them. They're oversimplifying a tragedy that was caused by oversimplification. Martin has become Emmett Till. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg is using the verdict to attack Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, which wasn't invoked in this case. The grievance industrial complex is pushing the Department of Justice to prosecute Zimmerman for bias-motivated killing, based on evidence that didn't even support a conviction for unpremeditated killing. Zimmerman's lawyers have teamed up with members of the Congressional Black Caucus, inadvertently, to promote the false message that Zimmerman?s acquittal means our society thinks everything he did was OK.

It wasn't OK. It was stupid and dangerous. It led to the unnecessary death of an innocent young man. It happened because two people, their minds clouded by stereotypes that went well beyond race, assumed the worst about one another and acted in haste. If you want to prevent the next Trayvon Martin tragedy, learn from their mistakes. Don?t paint the world in black and white. Don?t declare the whole justice system racist, or blame every gun death on guns, or confuse acquittal with vindication. And the next time you see somebody who looks like a punk or a pervert, hold your fire.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: The Human Condom on July 16, 2013, 08:35:58 PM
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Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bakingsoda on July 17, 2013, 02:37:43 AM
Regardless, given the facts I think the jury made the right decision and there was reasonable doubt Zimmerman was not even guilty of manslaughter. Zimmerman was never a racist, he was an overly eager wannabe cop in a neighborhood where there had been a lot of break-ins. Martin wasn't some little kid who got hunted down by some gun waving lunatic and shot execution style, I think Zimmerman shot him because he panicked and was momentarily afraid for his life. The media really turned this into something it wasn't.

What a lot of people are going to think forever was that Zimmerman was a racist psychopath who hunted a little black kid down out of sheer hateful bloodlust and shot him in the heart. Like just straight up executed him. I don't understand how people rationalize the part where Zimmerman calls the police before he even gets out of his car though. If his intention was murder, why call the police beforehand? Why not kill Martin, punch himself in the nose and scratch up the back of his head, threaten/bribe the witnesses into saying Martin was on top of him beating him, and then call the police. Seems like a huge unnecessary risk to call the police before he has everything squared away.


Alright, so lets put all the issues of race surrounding this case a side for a moment. He was as you said, an over-zealous  wannabe-cop, and his actions got him in a situation that was more then preventable. A situation in which Zimmerman's hastey actions upon recieving beatings from a teen who fled from him and presumablely was only acting out of self-defense (fear, who's wouldn't be when a stranger follows you?) ended with Zimmerman killing said teen.
Tell me in what worldly logic that Zimmerman does not hold responsibility. He frightened someone then killed them when things got out of hand.
You keep saying he isn't racist, so fine, put that aside, do murders only count if race is the motivator? I don't think so.

Don't try and mention the break-ins that were occuring etc. I'm aware. Zimmerman acting out of frustration because his neighbourhood was experiancing some problems un-related to Martin should not ease any of the weight of Zimmerman's mistake. He was advised not to pursue. The result was something you can't reverse. Zimmerman must be held accountable.
Don't try to mention that the law in Florida permits blah blah blah under the "stand your ground" law either. Clearly it has been bent in this case as any law can be. I believe that the post before mine mentions two instances were the same law failed people who were much more in need of it. Death is death, weather law permits it or not.
Look at the the very begining of the series of events, Zimmerman made the decission to take the law into his hands. End of story. He fucked up, someone died by his hand, yet he's not being held accountable.

Why?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: midwestmiddleman on July 17, 2013, 02:42:16 AM
My oh my, If  it isn't  an agenda.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: zoltan on July 17, 2013, 02:46:32 AM
I think the only time you should fire a gun at someone is if they are about to fire one at you.....
the kid had no gun, so why would he feel the need to shoot him? The dude should be charged with murder, this world is fucked...well USA is at least
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: twitchflip on July 17, 2013, 04:08:22 AM
Read my posts in this thread bozo.

I unfortunately made this mistake
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Beeda Weeda on July 17, 2013, 04:56:13 AM
guns seem to fix most problems.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 17, 2013, 05:51:35 AM
I think the only time you should fire a gun at someone is if they are about to fire one at you.....
the kid had no gun, so why would he feel the need to shoot him? The dude should be charged with murder, this world is fucked...well USA is at least

He was charged with murder, and found not guilty. Some of the jurors have already came out with their reasons if you're interested:


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I don't want people to think that we didn't think about Trayvon Martin," she said, her voice appearing to crack with emotion. "We did."

She said that the jury deliberations were intense. She said she and others wanted to find something they could convict Zimmerman of, but there was nothing legally that they could do.

"I wanted to find him guilty of not using his senses, but you can't fault anybody," she said of Zimmerman. "You can't charge him with anything because he didn't do anything unlawful."


She said she believed the situation got out of control, partly because of what both Zimmerman and Trayvon did.

"George got in a little too deep," she said. "But Trayvon got mad and attacked him."


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One of the jurors who acquitted George Zimmerman said she had "no doubt" he feared for his life in the final moments of his struggle with Trayvon Martin, and that was the definitive factor in the verdict.

The woman, who was identified just as Juror B37, spoke exclusively to CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" on Monday night. She is the first juror to speak publicly about the case.

She said she believes Zimmerman's "heart was in the right place" the night he shot Martin, but that he didn't use "good judgment" in confronting the Florida teen.

"I think George Zimmerman is a man whose heart was in the right place, but just got displaced by the vandalism in the neighborhoods, and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he really should have done," she said.

If anything, Zimmerman was guilty of not using "good judgment," the juror said.

"When he was in the car, and he had called 911, he shouldn't have gotten out of that car," she said.

She also said she believes Martin threw the first punch in the confrontation that followed.

"I think George got in a little bit too deep, which he shouldn't have been there. But Trayvon decided that he wasn't going to let him scare him ... and I think Trayvon got mad and attacked him," she said.

Zimmerman felt his life was in danger before shooting Martin, and it was his voice that was heard screaming for help in 911 calls, the juror said she believes.

"He had a right to defend himself," she said. "If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him, or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right."
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 17, 2013, 05:59:03 AM
Read my posts in this thread bozo.

I unfortunately made this mistake

:(

I think it's really sad situation and I really have no stake in the outcome. I just have repeatedly read people describing what they think happened incorrectly, and I think it's important to at least get the facts right in a case where there is such passion.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bottom feeder on July 17, 2013, 06:12:12 AM
So glad i live in Europe, America is fucked up. 
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Kinch on July 17, 2013, 06:27:57 AM
So glad i live in Europe, America is fucked up. 

I dunno, we're pretty fucked up as well, but at least we're fucked up without guns.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: KoRnholio8 on July 17, 2013, 07:06:46 AM
Hypothetically, I could now pursuit someone (in Florida) and act suspicious (to make my victim frightened for his/her life), approach that victim, act like a vigilante, get my ass beat and simply off my victim and walk free (if there would be no race question in the matter, the press would ignore it too), because "my life was in danger" at the moment before pulling the trigger.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bottom feeder on July 17, 2013, 07:15:32 AM
So glad i live in Europe, America is fucked up.  

I dunno, we're pretty fucked up as well, but at least we're fucked up without guns.
hah! true. Unless you are a gangster or are burgling a farmer's farm, you don't have to worry about being shot in Europe.  That rules. 

Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Sleazy on July 17, 2013, 07:23:36 AM
This is my personal opinion of what actually happened: Zimmerman sees Martin walking slowly from house to house in the rain so he calls the police, reports him, and follows him. He gets out of the car because he doesn't want Martin to get away. While they are both on foot in the dark they stumble across each other, either because Martin doubled back or by chance. Martin, who is understandably scared and angry at being followed punches Zimmerman in the nose, knocks him down, gets on top of him and starts punching him in the face. Zimmerman at this point starts screaming for help. Up until this point I think everything is as Zimmerman described it and most of this is supported by witnesses. What I don't believe however is that Martin saw the gun, went for it, and said "You're dead now!" I think Zimmerman lied and made that part up. I think he was getting beaten and he panicked, grabbed his gun and shot Martin in the chest. I have no way of knowing that however, and there are no witnesses except Zimmerman. That means none of you know how it exactly happened either.

Regardless, given the facts I think the jury made the right decision and there was reasonable doubt Zimmerman was not even guilty of manslaughter. Zimmerman was never a racist, he was an overly eager wannabe cop in a neighborhood where there had been a lot of break-ins. Martin wasn't some little kid who got hunted down by some gun waving lunatic and shot execution style, I think Zimmerman shot him because he panicked and was momentarily afraid for his life. The media really turned this into something it wasn't.

What a lot of people are going to think forever was that Zimmerman was a racist psychopath who hunted a little black kid down out of sheer hateful bloodlust and shot him in the heart. Like just straight up executed him. I don't understand how people rationalize the part where Zimmerman calls the police before he even gets out of his car though. If his intention was murder, why call the police beforehand? Why not kill Martin, punch himself in the nose and scratch up the back of his head, threaten/bribe the witnesses into saying Martin was on top of him beating him, and then call the police. Seems like a huge unnecessary risk to call the police before he has everything squared away.

Anyway, some more fuel for the fire:


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Trayvon at the time was suspended from school because they had found women's jewelry and a burglary tool in his backpack. He wasn't charged because the jewelry couldn't be traced back to a specific breakin but he couldn't account for where he had gotten it. The toxicology report showed thc in his blood as well as a beginning liver cirrosis as well as minor brain damage. Both symptoms of repeated use of "lean". If you don't know what that is do a Googe. Two of the main ingredients are skittles and Iced tea, btw. Other long term effects are paranoia and propensity for violent breakouts. His cellphone records show that would regularly get into fights. He brags about beating people bloody, breaking their nose, among other things.


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The police surveillance video, recently shown on ABC National News shows a fairly slender George Zimmerman the night of the attack. A close friend of Zimmerman, Joe Oliver, says Zimmerman is 5'8" and currently only weighs 170 pounds.

The police estimated Trayvon at 6'0" and 160 pounds when they wrote the police report the night he was shot. This was probably a conservative estimate, as his family has reported his height at 6'2".



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Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, "This is for Trayvon."

He described all of the males as between 16 and 18 and told police a 6-foot suspect with a black "stretchy" shirt and mohawk told him, "What's up, [expletive]." When the victim raised his phone to call 911, the suspect raised his shirt and flashed a silver handgun in his waistband.

The victim turned and ran before he was caught in the 2800 block of Fairmont and was beaten, police said. He sustained abrasions to his elbows and forearms but refused medical attention.

Police listed all of the suspects involved as black males. Three were "skinny" while one was described as overweight.

Dudley, who lives in the neighborhood, said she worries about her Hispanic neighbors and said she and other residents were looking for ways to warn them of the incident beyond Facebook. Patterson Park has one of the city's highest concentration of Latinos and is home to the city's annual Latino Fest.

completely agree. The problem here is the gun laws allowing for idiots to play police. If George was  a cop he would have been within his rights to do what George did. Problem is that George wasn't a cop but our laws allow him to be armed and act like one. I don't see why not seeing an over arching racial angle makes one an idiot here. People are so PC these days they can't see reality from the idealistic utopian bubble they live in.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: castillo's curls on July 17, 2013, 08:53:16 AM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/in-...dup-law,33126/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/in-...dup-law,33126/)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: joebudden on July 17, 2013, 08:58:32 AM
"white priveledge will be folklore and your children will be the NIGGERS"
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bentmode on July 17, 2013, 09:02:16 AM
PUMP PUMP PUMP IT UP
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 17, 2013, 09:11:57 AM
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Approximately one third of Florida “Stand Your Ground” claims in fatal cases have been made by black defendants, and they have used the defense successfully 55 percent of the time, at the same rate as the population at large and at a higher rate than white defendants, according to a Daily Caller analysis of a database maintained by the Tampa Bay Times. Additionally, the majority of victims in Florida “Stand Your Ground” cases have been white.

African Americans used “Stand Your Ground” defenses at nearly twice the rate of their presence in the Florida population, which was listed at 16.6 percent in 2012.


http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases (http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases)



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The jury made the “right decision” in the George Zimmerman murder trial, former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday.
“I think the jury made the right decision based on the evidence presented, because the prosecution inadvertently set the standard so high that the jury had to be convinced that it was a deliberate act by Zimmerman that he was not at all defending himself, and so forth,” Carter told Atlanta news channel WXIA. “It’s not a moral question, it’s a legal question and the American law requires that the jury listens to the evidence presented.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/jimmy-carter-george-zimmerman-verdict-94320.html#ixzz2ZJTTBfGL (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/jimmy-carter-george-zimmerman-verdict-94320.html#ixzz2ZJTTBfGL)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bentmode on July 17, 2013, 09:39:06 AM
GOD DAMNIT SHUT THE FUCK UP NICK DAGGER PEOPLE GET CHARGED FOR MANSLAUGHTER IN DUI CASES WHEN A DEATH IS INVOLVED. DONT EVEN BOTHER REAPONDING TO THIS JUST GO BACK TO YOUR SUBURBAN LYFESTYLE AND PRETEND THAT YOU ARE SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS WHILE YOU TAKE A TWENTY MINUTE SHOWER AND FILL UP YOUR CAR TANK AT THE LOCAL ARCO.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 17, 2013, 09:51:38 AM
What post of mine are you responding to? I said he should have been charged with manslaughter from the beginning.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: bentmode on July 17, 2013, 10:19:56 AM
IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU CAN WRITE ENOUGH TO FILL UP HALF OF THIS THREADBUT REAMIN ILLETERATE. IF YOU WANT TO BE A LAWYER AUDITION FOR DICK WOLF BUT YOU AND THIS THREAD NEED TO PART WAYS. RACE RELATIONS ON SLAP IS TOUGH ALREADY AND YOU WANT TO FAN THE FLAMES WITH ALL YOUR FACTS AND EVIDENCE. YOU ACT LIKE WE'RE ALL IDIOTS AND DONT KNOW HOW TO USE A GOOGLE. LET IT GO AND TAP INTO ONE OF YOUR CONSPIRACY THEORY THREADS OR GET INTO AN ARGUMENT WITH THE GIPPER.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 17, 2013, 10:47:27 AM
Where is the Gipper? Has he posted once in here?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 17, 2013, 10:50:04 AM
Where is the Gipper? Has he posted once in here?
I've been waiting for his response because he's usually on point with every political opinion
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Hercules Rockefeller on July 17, 2013, 11:10:02 AM
jimi, your response in combination with the gif and the COTG-quote in your signature had me in tears.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Big Skatefase on July 17, 2013, 11:15:46 AM
it's still weird how martin had none of zimmerman's dna on him.

zimmerman told detectives that martin punched him in the nose so hard that he "fell to the ground when he punched me the first time" and that he was "punched in the nose 25 to 30 times.

if your punching a bloodied man then you would have his dna on you. martin didn't even have bruising on his knuckles

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The Autopsy does not mention any: blood, dirt, defensive wounds or offensive wounds on Trayvon Martin�s knuckles, palms, wrists, fingers or thumbs � which dispels Zimmerman�s claim that Trayvon punched him in the nose 25-30 times, covered his nose and mouth while at the same slamming his head into the sidewalk over a dozen times.

zimmerman has lied many times in the case, yet people still go with his story of what happened.

obviously there is more to what happened that night than what zimmerman said but sadly only 2 people REALLY knows what happened that ight and one of them is dead. shame
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: jimi420 on July 17, 2013, 11:17:19 AM
jimi, your response in combination with the gif and the COTG-quote in your signature had me in tears.
Just trying to show my people that I'm not an Uncle Tom anymore!
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: joebudden on July 17, 2013, 11:31:53 AM
this is the shit that get the GIPPER hyped

i dont agree with him pluggin his ass as he jerks off and staining niggas homework wit his buttjuice

but im sure he has an interesting opinion on this
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on July 17, 2013, 03:05:58 PM
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Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on July 17, 2013, 03:10:51 PM
i dont agree with him pluggin his ass as he jerks off and staining niggas homework wit his buttjuice


(http://i1346.photobucket.com/albums/p690/WillEasley309/yuck_zpsb614e5ef.gif)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: joebudden on July 17, 2013, 04:51:01 PM
Immortal Technique Explains Zimmerman "OJ" Comment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq1VWCSTY4E#ws)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: brycickle on July 17, 2013, 05:46:25 PM
it's still weird how martin had none of zimmerman's dna on him.

zimmerman told detectives that martin punched him in the nose so hard that he "fell to the ground when he punched me the first time" and that he was "punched in the nose 25 to 30 times.

if your punching a bloodied man then you would have his dna on you. martin didn't even have bruising on his knuckles

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The Autopsy does not mention any: blood, dirt, defensive wounds or offensive wounds on Trayvon Martin�s knuckles, palms, wrists, fingers or thumbs � which dispels Zimmerman�s claim that Trayvon punched him in the nose 25-30 times, covered his nose and mouth while at the same slamming his head into the sidewalk over a dozen times.

zimmerman has lied many times in the case, yet people still go with his story of what happened.

obviously there is more to what happened that night than what zimmerman said but sadly only 2 people REALLY knows what happened that ight and one of them is dead. shame
Since when did we start caring about actual physical evidence?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: joebudden on July 17, 2013, 07:09:04 PM
whatever happened to grimcity tho

thats my nigga
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: NickDagger on July 17, 2013, 07:33:50 PM
How's the search going for the REAL killer of OJ's wife and her friend coming along?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: atswimtwobirds on July 17, 2013, 09:09:42 PM
Gotta pull a Corey Duffel here and say pretty much, the dude was a trashy nigger. Robbing, raping, eyeing-up people in the community. Try to cracks a mahfuckas head open? Nah, guess what lil homie - you getting shot point blank. Hope this sends a message to all proponents of 'Thug/Nigga' culture.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: shouldn't on July 17, 2013, 09:14:56 PM
Gotta pull a Corey Duffel here and say pretty much, the dude was a trashy nigger. Robbing, raping, eyeing-up people in the community. Try to cracks a mahfuckas head open? Nah, guess what lil homie - you getting shot point blank. Hope this sends a message to all proponents of 'Thug/Nigga' culture.
i think this post qualifies for a good old banning more so then anything else i can possibly imagine, unless you logged in as a nazi veteran trying to exterminate the jewish.
a sincere, FUCK YOU to you.. atswimtwobirds. even if the kid was a fuck-up, you have just as much of a right to call him the 'n' word as that fuck head had to shoot him. you suck at life & i hope you are someone's slave in your next life, you cunt.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: atswimtwobirds on July 17, 2013, 10:21:15 PM
Gotta pull a Corey Duffel here and say pretty much, the dude was a trashy nigger. Robbing, raping, eyeing-up people in the community. Try to cracks a mahfuckas head open? Nah, guess what lil homie - you getting shot point blank. Hope this sends a message to all proponents of 'Thug/Nigga' culture.
i think this post qualifies for a good old banning more so then anything else i can possibly imagine, unless you logged in as a nazi veteran trying to exterminate the jewish.
a sincere, FUCK YOU to you.. atswimtwobirds. even if the kid was a fuck-up, you have just as much of a right tall him the 'n' word as that fuck head had to shoot him. you suck at life & i hope you are someone's slave in your next life, you cunt.
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Word, yeah, if you're smashing me in the head with a brick (I, armed officer), I just take a deep breath and die. Nah, nigga, you gettin shot. See where them gangsta images got you? Government brainwash music and culture designed to incite internal warfare since the middle east failed. brace ya self.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: ChronicBluntSlider on July 17, 2013, 10:53:05 PM
Thought this was good.

The Colbert Report 07/16/13 George Zimmerman + Riots + Fox & Friends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM-FAY7KC6U#ws)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackburton on July 18, 2013, 11:10:17 AM
Where is the Gipper? Has he posted once in here?
Course not.  He at least needs some evidence to exaggerate and distort.  The most you can say about this case is that it stinks morally but no laws were broken.  He is smarted enough to know Stand your ground was not even a major issue in this case by any means.  Dispatchers are trained to mitigate liability.  In this case the dispatcher said ok we don't need you to do that, but never actually said stay in your car.  He even kept asking him about the location of Martin.  Bottom line is a kid died and its fucked up, but Zimmerman did not break any laws or rather there is a lack of evidence that he did.  Both sides can fill in the blanks but in the end there is more than reasonable doubt.

At least the riots were not all that bad.  At least Al Sharpton did not help to create another Crown Heights.   
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: StimCoCruzer on August 11, 2013, 03:53:50 PM
This is pretty irrelevant at this point, BUT, say Trayvon Martin killed George Zimmerman from bashing his head on the ground, wouldn't he have been able to claim self defense, too?  He was being stalked, felt threatened, and the stalker had a gun.

man ever since the jump i already knew zimmerman would get off on some bullshit.

what if the roles were switched, and zimmerman was black? yall cant tell me shit wouldnt be different. Black guy shoots a kid and kills em? man you already know how THAT would've played out.

not true. black killer, white 17 yo killed. exact reversal of roles, same result. of course Chris (the white kid) never assaulted Scott though. He also had no history of being a drug dealing, violent thug piece of shit either - which Ashtray Martin undoubtedly was.

http://www.ironicsurrealism.com/2013/07/20/justicefortrayvon-where-is-justice-for-christopher-cervini-jury-finds-black-man-not-guilty-after-he-shot-unarmed-white-teen-in-self-defense/ (http://www.ironicsurrealism.com/2013/07/20/justicefortrayvon-where-is-justice-for-christopher-cervini-jury-finds-black-man-not-guilty-after-he-shot-unarmed-white-teen-in-self-defense/)

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/ (http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on August 11, 2013, 04:16:50 PM
'thug' is the new 'nigger'
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on August 11, 2013, 04:35:26 PM
'thug' is the new 'nigger'

pretty much.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Buddha on August 14, 2013, 01:29:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZmXV33mLCI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZmXV33mLCI)
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: StimCoCruzer on August 14, 2013, 07:30:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZmXV33mLCI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZmXV33mLCI)

definitely my favorite black guy
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: smokecrack on August 22, 2013, 05:57:02 PM
looks like our boi Zimmerz went gun shopping

http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/22/george-zimmerman-shotgun-kel-tec-trayvon-martin-shop-gun/ (http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/22/george-zimmerman-shotgun-kel-tec-trayvon-martin-shop-gun/)

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/08/22/0822-george-zimmerman-kel-tec-tmz-3.jpg)

this is the gun he was checking out, a Kel-Tec KSG shotgun

Kel-Tec Shotgun (KSG) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwN8jHSEhCE#ws)

god bless Amurrica
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: KoRnholio8 on August 23, 2013, 12:46:36 AM
^no that is just plain stupid. trying to piss of the entire world and annihilate in self-defence?
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on August 23, 2013, 01:16:45 AM
looks like our boi Zimmerz went gun shopping

http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/22/george-zimmerman-shotgun-kel-tec-trayvon-martin-shop-gun/ (http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/22/george-zimmerman-shotgun-kel-tec-trayvon-martin-shop-gun/)

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/08/22/0822-george-zimmerman-kel-tec-tmz-3.jpg)

this is the gun he was checking out, a Kel-Tec KSG shotgun

Kel-Tec Shotgun (KSG) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwN8jHSEhCE#ws)

god bless Amurrica

shit looks like the damn Krogan shotgun off mass effect. crazy how people are out here tryna take pictures with the guy as if he's some celebrity figure.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: KOOL MIKE LOVE on August 23, 2013, 01:20:22 AM
it was the central park 5
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: dillanharp on August 23, 2013, 12:35:20 PM
This asshole needs to get out of the public eye, quick. On another note, with as many people wanting this guy dead, he probably should buy the shotgun...
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Big Skatefase on September 09, 2013, 01:02:54 PM




George Zimmerman allegedly pulled a knife on his wife after she discovered a firearm in the house they shared, according to ABC News. Zimmerman then pulled a gun on Shellie Zimmerman and her father after a verbal altercation.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-custody-domestic-incident-involving-gun/story?id=20203329 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-custody-domestic-incident-involving-gun/story?id=20203329)

Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Will Easley on September 09, 2013, 01:35:39 PM




George Zimmerman allegedly pulled a knife on his wife after she discovered a firearm in the house they shared, according to ABC News. Zimmerman then pulled a gun on Shellie Zimmerman and her father after a verbal altercation.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-custody-domestic-incident-involving-gun/story?id=20203329 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-custody-domestic-incident-involving-gun/story?id=20203329)




wow what an idiot. He murders an unarmed teenager, gets aquitted on some bullshit and now he "feels he's invincible"? lol, im sure he'll be humbled soon enough. only a matter of time before he gets caught slipping in one way or another
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: GAY on September 09, 2013, 04:19:54 PM
I'll be riddled with schadenfreude when this asshole goes down.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: layzieyez on September 09, 2013, 05:11:26 PM
I'm looking forward to the headline: Zimmerman uses same gun used on Trayvon to commit suicide.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: ROCKxADIO420 on September 09, 2013, 05:22:27 PM
"Zimmerman kills wife and daughter in self defense"
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: ice nine on September 09, 2013, 05:26:40 PM
^lol

but seriously, fuck nickdagger
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on September 09, 2013, 05:45:51 PM
his wife was probably a thug
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: doomstation55 on September 09, 2013, 06:16:22 PM
I think this is 'ol Zimmy's way of saying, "I'm not racist, I'm just fucking crazy." He's still a little racist.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: suedecashmere on September 09, 2013, 10:06:00 PM
trayvon martin, more like trayvon fartin
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: L33Tg33k on September 10, 2013, 12:31:38 AM
His wife was wearing a hoodie.
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: Jackie Joyner Kersee on September 10, 2013, 09:41:18 AM
trayvon martin, more like trayvon fartin

you could have at least said gayvon fartin, you stupid fucking jabronie
Title: Re: Trayvon Martin
Post by: malcyvelli on September 11, 2013, 07:00:33 AM
"Zimmerman kills wife and daughter in self defense"