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Title: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: poopnutsupreme on April 23, 2014, 12:35:32 AM
Sorry to get all TMZ on you guys, I just thought this was funny and I'm curious to see where it goes. I have mixed feelings about Richie Jackson but Dan Murphy and Fellers killed it so it was weird to see them leave Foundation. I can't imagine being on the same team as Nick Merlino being very fun though.

Started with this
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Now, it went to this
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Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: silkyjohnson on April 23, 2014, 01:29:53 AM
Is it because they dropped Sierra Fellers from Foundation pretty childish of Richie to try to slander Tum Yeto, like people respect that cross dressing pirates opinion
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Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: silkyjohnson on April 23, 2014, 01:34:39 AM
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Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Bubblegum Tate on April 23, 2014, 01:37:08 AM
Don't try to slide out of here...Step into my office Mr. Jackson. I would like a few words with you.

http://statigr.am/p/704816397410773629_7045649 (http://statigr.am/p/704816397410773629_7045649)

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Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: dillanharp on April 23, 2014, 01:40:28 AM
I give no shit's about Sinclair, Beagle, or anyone at Tum Yeto that isn't named Ed.  

How the fuck are they even still in business? Foundation? Pig? The only thing worthwhile they make are rails.

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Paco Supreme on April 23, 2014, 02:23:13 AM
cross dressing pirate
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: wallieD on April 23, 2014, 02:46:44 AM

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Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SodaJerk on April 23, 2014, 03:04:23 AM
^^^^ah ha ha ha ha! Richie Jackson on Revive, confirmed. LSD Jesus trip.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Richie Jackson on April 23, 2014, 03:09:14 AM
Shake Junt!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: zuma on April 23, 2014, 03:18:31 AM

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-frc/10005469_219655871568455_496587687_n.jpg)
seeing richie at a random park- not a skate park- trying some trick out of a tail stall into the grass off of a bench all by himself once made my day...
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Richie Jackson on April 23, 2014, 03:27:32 AM

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seeing richie at a random park- not a skate park- trying some trick out of a tail stall into the grass off of a bench all by himself once made my day...

Rad to finally assign an identity to you. That glory hole would make anyone's day.  ;)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: zuma on April 23, 2014, 03:31:22 AM

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-frc/10005469_219655871568455_496587687_n.jpg)
seeing richie at a random park- not a skate park- trying some trick out of a tail stall into the grass off of a bench all by himself once made my day...

Rad to finally assign an identity to you. That glory hole would make anyone's day.  ;)
ha ha - props for speakin up man- not a common thing these days
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Richie Jackson on April 23, 2014, 03:39:09 AM

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seeing richie at a random park- not a skate park- trying some trick out of a tail stall into the grass off of a bench all by himself once made my day...

Rad to finally assign an identity to you. That glory hole would make anyone's day.  ;)
ha ha - props for speakin up man- not a common thing these days

Shut up faggot.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: wallieD on April 23, 2014, 03:46:55 AM

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-frc/10005469_219655871568455_496587687_n.jpg)
seeing richie at a random park- not a skate park- trying some trick out of a tail stall into the grass off of a bench all by himself once made my day...

Rad to finally assign an identity to you. That glory hole would make anyone's day.  ;)
ha ha - props for speakin up man- not a common thing these days

Shut up faggot.
whoa richie you're so freaking edgy now. i think you're hanging out with the wrong crowd.
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Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: zuma on April 23, 2014, 03:50:42 AM

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seeing richie at a random park- not a skate park- trying some trick out of a tail stall into the grass off of a bench all by himself once made my day...

Rad to finally assign an identity to you. That glory hole would make anyone's day.  ;)
ha ha - props for speakin up man- not a common thing these days

Shut up faggot.
it wasn t me tailstallin into the grass...
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: paraquat on April 23, 2014, 04:03:58 AM
This thread gets 1 thumb up.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Suit Up! on April 23, 2014, 04:13:37 AM

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-frc/10005469_219655871568455_496587687_n.jpg)
seeing richie at a random park- not a skate park- trying some trick out of a tail stall into the grass off of a bench all by himself once made my day...

Rad to finally assign an identity to you. That glory hole would make anyone's day.  ;)
ha ha - props for speakin up man- not a common thing these days

Shut up faggot.

LOL
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: spungo on April 23, 2014, 04:57:24 AM
This thread gets 1 thumb up.... my butt
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Harem on April 23, 2014, 05:04:52 AM
Foundation has a history of fucking riders over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_pSTRQFX2U&list=UUrFMwveX6E9lVfXDOlH-XNw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_pSTRQFX2U&list=UUrFMwveX6E9lVfXDOlH-XNw)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: twitchflip on April 23, 2014, 05:19:36 AM
c'mon sinclair, you know you wanna
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: TMKF on April 23, 2014, 05:29:26 AM
Not renewing contracts with skateboarders who are not relevant anymore and who don't help you sell the product you are endorsing them to sell is not "fucking someone over" it's called "good business practices". Being a pro skateboarder is a job kids, if you aren't cutting it at your job you get fired, especially these days when companies are hurting and new kids are coming up. Sinclair cut his own homie Dan Murphy who in my opinion should've never been put on Foundation in the first place as he never helped the brand, so I doubt it was anything personal. Business is business, if you don't like it skate for fun and don't expect anything out of it and you'll be fine. Foundation had it's time back in the 'Art Bars' days and Sinclair wouldn't be doing his job if he wasnt constantly trying to get it back to where it once was, I'm not even saying that's possible but he's obviously trying...

Richie is sticking up for his boy, nothing wrong with that either I would probably do the same in his position. However he's lying to himself if he thinks Sierra was doing anything to help Foundation anymore by being a paid professional skateboarder. Truth hurts sometimes, I wish all parties the best. I hope Sierra still enjoys skateboarding and perhaps finds a new sponsor that better suits him and I hope Foundation can one day get back to where it once was, let me tell you they've got a lot more to do than cutting Sierra and Murphy though...
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: TMKF on April 23, 2014, 05:30:00 AM
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This was brilliant btw...
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: 360 frip on April 23, 2014, 06:02:42 AM
Not renewing contracts with skateboarders who are not relevant anymore and who don't help you sell the product you are endorsing them to sell is not "fucking someone over" it's called "good business practices". Being a pro skateboarder is a job kids, if you aren't cutting it at your job you get fired, especially these days when companies are hurting and new kids are coming up. Sinclair cut his own homie Dan Murphy who in my opinion should've never been put on Foundation in the first place as he never helped the brand, so I doubt it was anything personal. Business is business, if you don't like it skate for fun and don't expect anything out of it and you'll be fine. Foundation had it's time back in the 'Art Bars' days and Sinclair wouldn't be doing his job if he wasnt constantly trying to get it back to where it once was, I'm not even saying that's possible but he's obviously trying...

Richie is sticking up for his boy, nothing wrong with that either I would probably do the same in his position. However he's lying to himself if he thinks Sierra was doing anything to help Foundation anymore by being a paid professional skateboarder. Truth hurts sometimes, I wish all parties the best. I hope Sierra still enjoys skateboarding and perhaps finds a new sponsor that better suits him and I hope Foundation can one day get back to where it once was, let me tell you they've got a lot more to do than cutting Sierra and Murphy though...

I'm surprised you care enough about this to type or think that much about it.

How can anyone involved with the skateboarding be angry or surprised about how fickle and disloyal the industry can be?

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Beer Keg Peg Leg on April 23, 2014, 06:11:51 AM
which one of you is youngpepperoni?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Tarela on April 23, 2014, 06:28:47 AM
I give no shit's about Sinclair, Beagle, or anyone at Tum Yeto that isn't named Ed.  

How the fuck are they even still in business? Foundation? Pig? The only thing worthwhile they make are rails.



The only person i pretty much care about is Ed too..but Pig actually makes pretty good griptape and wheels...Im still puzzled by Marquise Preston getting the boot from Foundation and later Emerica  ??? hes so good
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Nigga on April 23, 2014, 06:29:44 AM
how does foundation afford to pay anyone?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: g.i.s.m. on April 23, 2014, 06:39:50 AM

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-frc/10005469_219655871568455_496587687_n.jpg)

my only qualm with this whole thing is who is the fucking guy in the far left in this pic???? does he own a brand of some sort or something? i somehow manage to see his stupid fucking head on youtube more than id care to
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fastfreddy on April 23, 2014, 07:26:13 AM
Not renewing contracts with skateboarders who are not relevant anymore and who don't help you sell the product you are endorsing them to sell is not "fucking someone over" it's called "good business practices". Being a pro skateboarder is a job kids, if you aren't cutting it at your job you get fired, especially these days when companies are hurting and new kids are coming up. Sinclair cut his own homie Dan Murphy who in my opinion should've never been put on Foundation in the first place as he never helped the brand, so I doubt it was anything personal. Business is business, if you don't like it skate for fun and don't expect anything out of it and you'll be fine. Foundation had it's time back in the 'Art Bars' days and Sinclair wouldn't be doing his job if he wasnt constantly trying to get it back to where it once was, I'm not even saying that's possible but he's obviously trying...

Richie is sticking up for his boy, nothing wrong with that either I would probably do the same in his position. However he's lying to himself if he thinks Sierra was doing anything to help Foundation anymore by being a paid professional skateboarder. Truth hurts sometimes, I wish all parties the best. I hope Sierra still enjoys skateboarding and perhaps finds a new sponsor that better suits him and I hope Foundation can one day get back to where it once was, let me tell you they've got a lot more to do than cutting Sierra and Murphy though...

All of this makes complete sense: BUT: Sinclair posted that photo in an effort to attack these dudes personally, not explain his business endeavors. If you're going to kick people off to better the company, so be it, but this was a passive aggressive way to give a public 'fuck you' to dudes he had on the team.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: waltercronkite on April 23, 2014, 07:36:06 AM
didnt omar say he was going to get kicked off for having a knee surgery that would keep him from having a part in art bars
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: NoComply180 on April 23, 2014, 07:42:12 AM
tum yeto has sucked since they got rid of the message board.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Lance on April 23, 2014, 07:44:48 AM
Not going to lie, the only thing that really sucks about this thread is the fact that an ACE Hardware is selling skateboards....and the Co.'s who let them.  WTF is that shit!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Disco234 on April 23, 2014, 07:48:30 AM
I wonder what Larry Perkins thinks about all this?

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Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: KUberry on April 23, 2014, 07:54:14 AM
Sierra should be on threat.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Disco234 on April 23, 2014, 08:01:49 AM
Why would richey jarckson follow tim yeti instagarm if he thinks they're crooks who spat on people that are in a  double crossing fat gang? Kinda drama queenish.

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Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: mbcls on April 23, 2014, 08:46:16 AM
its really shitty how murphy was treated.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shark tits on April 23, 2014, 08:52:49 AM

(http://photos-h.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-frc/10005469_219655871568455_496587687_n.jpg)

my only qualm with this whole thing is who is the fucking guy in the far left in this pic???? does he own a brand of some sort or something? i somehow manage to see his stupid fucking head on youtube more than id care to
yeah, that's andy schrock or something like that. he owns revive and does show up in recommended videos way too much for my tastes as well. i like black ninja but otherwise those youtube skaters are a drag.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: GAY on April 23, 2014, 09:00:03 AM
I think it's no secret that this guy thinks Richie Jackson is the best. The best? The best. ooooweeee!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: TMKF on April 23, 2014, 09:00:52 AM
Not renewing contracts with skateboarders who are not relevant anymore and who don't help you sell the product you are endorsing them to sell is not "fucking someone over" it's called "good business practices". Being a pro skateboarder is a job kids, if you aren't cutting it at your job you get fired, especially these days when companies are hurting and new kids are coming up. Sinclair cut his own homie Dan Murphy who in my opinion should've never been put on Foundation in the first place as he never helped the brand, so I doubt it was anything personal. Business is business, if you don't like it skate for fun and don't expect anything out of it and you'll be fine. Foundation had it's time back in the 'Art Bars' days and Sinclair wouldn't be doing his job if he wasnt constantly trying to get it back to where it once was, I'm not even saying that's possible but he's obviously trying...

Richie is sticking up for his boy, nothing wrong with that either I would probably do the same in his position. However he's lying to himself if he thinks Sierra was doing anything to help Foundation anymore by being a paid professional skateboarder. Truth hurts sometimes, I wish all parties the best. I hope Sierra still enjoys skateboarding and perhaps finds a new sponsor that better suits him and I hope Foundation can one day get back to where it once was, let me tell you they've got a lot more to do than cutting Sierra and Murphy though...

All of this makes complete sense: BUT: Sinclair posted that photo in an effort to attack these dudes personally, not explain his business endeavors. If you're going to kick people off to better the company, so be it, but this was a passive aggressive way to give a public 'fuck you' to dudes he had on the team.

And you're basing this assumption off what? He hashtagged #collectorsitem insinuating that these dudes boards were in some way collectable...I don't think he was trying to make a jab at them, perhaps it could be perceived that way but that's not how I saw it. It's not like he hashtagged #losers #fired #washedup#expros #lastroyaltycheckcomingsoon #timefora9to5 or anything like that...if he did you'd have a case. Sinclair hooked his boy Dan up by getting him on and turning him pro in the first place knowing full well that he didnt fit and wouldn't last, he kept it real for sure. Sinclair is always joking and posting on Instagram I really don't think his intent was to be malicious.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Tum Yeto on April 23, 2014, 09:07:29 AM
Good Morning SLAP PALS! I know most of you want both sides of the story.. Dan Murphy is / was my great friend. I was the first person to sponsor him and recently I was the last. I helped Dan out as much as I possibly could and paid him longer than any of his other sponsors. When he was kicked off Mystery a few years back, I picked him up gave him a board on Foundation as fast as I possibly could to help him keep him going. Some people liked this move and some hated it. Does Dan Murphy fit Foundation? Nah.. but I backed him and his skating. Everyone that was on the team liked Murphy and he was always fun to be around. When I signed him up I sat him down and explained to him that this would probably only last a couple of years so I wanted to prepare him for life after skating... Dan was in his early 30's then. I made him the best bro deal I could possibly make him for being at a small brand like Foundation. I will pay you and you can live in NC but all I need from you is to provide me with proper footage and get coverage in all the mags. In the meantime you can go back to College (he already has a degree) or start a business of you own to help prepare you for the next chapter in life after skating. Dan filmed a bit had a part in WTF which was rad in my opinion. Dan was plagued with injury after injury which happens... some from skating some from partying...Dan still parties like he is still in college and I still see this as his down fall. I always told Dan even in his Mystery days to "Go back to Flow" The meaning of that is when Dan was on flow he was on fire, he fucking killed it everyday went out but Dan lives 1 block away from his old College campus. Dan loves to party. In the end Dan was not producing as much or well as the other riders, he was only producing on a local level and the local shops could not sell enough or any Dan Murphy boards for us to keep paying him. Does Dan Murphy still have fans... For sure, I'm still a fan. Years have gone by and Dan has had little to no coverage or no supporting sponsors to help him travel or get coverage. Dan's last effort was in "Film & Destory" a local North Carolina video that is rad but is also a board company (Post 22). Dan does not ride for Post 22 or Foundation. Dan recently went over my head and discussed with Swank about how much he has been working lately and that he feels insulted that we could only promote him on a local level. If Dan Murphy was still killing it and his boards were selling I would be giving my bro a high 5! My last words to Dan were.. Get a job you fucking loser. Is that harsh? Yes for sure.. Wishing nothing but the best for Dan and his future. He knows this...

Next up Sierra.. 
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shark tits on April 23, 2014, 09:16:46 AM
Good Morning SLAP PALS! I know most of you want both sides of the story.. Dan Murphy is / was my great friend. I was the first person to sponsor him and recently I was the last. I helped Dan out as much as I possibly could and paid him longer than any of his other sponsors. When he was kicked off Mystery a few years back, I picked him up gave him a board on Foundation as fast as I possibly could to help him keep him going. Some people liked this move and some hated it. Does Dan Murphy fit Foundation? Nah.. but I backed him and his skating. Everyone that was on the team liked Murphy and he was always fun to be around. When I signed him up I sat him down and explained to him that this would probably only last a couple of years so I wanted to prepare him for life after skating... Dan was in his early 30's then. I made him the best bro deal I could possibly make him for being at a small brand like Foundation. I will pay you and you can live in NC but all I need from you is to provide me with proper footage and get coverage in all the mags. In the meantime you can go back to College (he already has a degree) or start a business of you own to help prepare you for the next chapter in life after skating. Dan filmed a bit had a part in WTF which was rad in my opinion. Dan was plagued with injury after injury which happens... some from skating some from partying...Dan still parties like he is still in college and I still see this as his down fall. I always told Dan even in his Mystery days to "Go back to Flow" The meaning of that is when Dan was on flow he was on fire, he fucking killed it everyday went out but Dan lives 1 block away from his old College campus. Dan loves to party. In the end Dan was not producing as much or well as the other riders, he was only producing on a local level and the local shops could not sell enough or any Dan Murphy boards for us to keep paying him. Does Dan Murphy still have fans... For sure, I'm still a fan. Years have gone by and Dan has had little to no coverage or no supporting sponsors to help him travel or get coverage. Dan's last effort was in "Film & Destory" a local North Carolina video that is rad but is also a board company (Post 22). Dan does not ride for Post 22 or Foundation. Dan recently went over my head and discussed with Swank about how much he has been working lately and that he feels insulted that we could only promote him on a local level. If Dan Murphy was still killing it and his boards were selling I would be giving my bro a high 5! My last words to Dan were.. Get a job you fucking loser. Is that harsh? Yes for sure.. Wishing nothing but the best for Dan and his future. He knows this...

Next up Sierra.. 
maybe he was partying like he was still in college because he was still in college? can you post under your alter ego LP?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Leyzee Emcea on April 23, 2014, 09:25:06 AM
Shake Junt!

no.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: GAY on April 23, 2014, 09:25:31 AM
Good Morning SLAP PALS! I know most of you want both sides of the story.. Dan Murphy is / was my great friend. I was the first person to sponsor him and recently I was the last. I helped Dan out as much as I possibly could and paid him longer than any of his other sponsors. When he was kicked off Mystery a few years back, I picked him up gave him a board on Foundation as fast as I possibly could to help him keep him going. Some people liked this move and some hated it. Does Dan Murphy fit Foundation? Nah.. but I backed him and his skating. Everyone that was on the team liked Murphy and he was always fun to be around. When I signed him up I sat him down and explained to him that this would probably only last a couple of years so I wanted to prepare him for life after skating... Dan was in his early 30's then. I made him the best bro deal I could possibly make him for being at a small brand like Foundation. I will pay you and you can live in NC but all I need from you is to provide me with proper footage and get coverage in all the mags. In the meantime you can go back to College (he already has a degree) or start a business of you own to help prepare you for the next chapter in life after skating. Dan filmed a bit had a part in WTF which was rad in my opinion. Dan was plagued with injury after injury which happens... some from skating some from partying...Dan still parties like he is still in college and I still see this as his down fall. I always told Dan even in his Mystery days to "Go back to Flow" The meaning of that is when Dan was on flow he was on fire, he fucking killed it everyday went out but Dan lives 1 block away from his old College campus. Dan loves to party. In the end Dan was not producing as much or well as the other riders, he was only producing on a local level and the local shops could not sell enough or any Dan Murphy boards for us to keep paying him. Does Dan Murphy still have fans... For sure, I'm still a fan. Years have gone by and Dan has had little to no coverage or no supporting sponsors to help him travel or get coverage. Dan's last effort was in "Film & Destory" a local North Carolina video that is rad but is also a board company (Post 22). Dan does not ride for Post 22 or Foundation. Dan recently went over my head and discussed with Swank about how much he has been working lately and that he feels insulted that we could only promote him on a local level. If Dan Murphy was still killing it and his boards were selling I would be giving my bro a high 5! My last words to Dan were.. Get a job you fucking loser. Is that harsh? Yes for sure.. Wishing nothing but the best for Dan and his future. He knows this...

Next up Sierra..�

My first name is Daniel and I'm not sponsored. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: stevedave on April 23, 2014, 09:29:55 AM
wow.  i like the fact that Sinclair (and Jamie and others) come here and explain themselves and the moves they make (even though they clearly don't have to).  BUT, it also exposes us all to how much of a "business" the industry really is. 

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: AnotherHardDayAtTheOffice on April 23, 2014, 09:33:29 AM
Good Morning SLAP PALS! I know most of you want both sides of the story.. Dan Murphy is / was my great friend. I was the first person to sponsor him and recently I was the last. I helped Dan out as much as I possibly could and paid him longer than any of his other sponsors. When he was kicked off Mystery a few years back, I picked him up gave him a board on Foundation as fast as I possibly could to help him keep him going. Some people liked this move and some hated it. Does Dan Murphy fit Foundation? Nah.. but I backed him and his skating. Everyone that was on the team liked Murphy and he was always fun to be around. When I signed him up I sat him down and explained to him that this would probably only last a couple of years so I wanted to prepare him for life after skating... Dan was in his early 30's then. I made him the best bro deal I could possibly make him for being at a small brand like Foundation. I will pay you and you can live in NC but all I need from you is to provide me with proper footage and get coverage in all the mags. In the meantime you can go back to College (he already has a degree) or start a business of you own to help prepare you for the next chapter in life after skating. Dan filmed a bit had a part in WTF which was rad in my opinion. Dan was plagued with injury after injury which happens... some from skating some from partying...Dan still parties like he is still in college and I still see this as his down fall. I always told Dan even in his Mystery days to "Go back to Flow" The meaning of that is when Dan was on flow he was on fire, he fucking killed it everyday went out but Dan lives 1 block away from his old College campus. Dan loves to party. In the end Dan was not producing as much or well as the other riders, he was only producing on a local level and the local shops could not sell enough or any Dan Murphy boards for us to keep paying him. Does Dan Murphy still have fans... For sure, I'm still a fan. Years have gone by and Dan has had little to no coverage or no supporting sponsors to help him travel or get coverage. Dan's last effort was in "Film & Destory" a local North Carolina video that is rad but is also a board company (Post 22). Dan does not ride for Post 22 or Foundation. Dan recently went over my head and discussed with Swank about how much he has been working lately and that he feels insulted that we could only promote him on a local level. If Dan Murphy was still killing it and his boards were selling I would be giving my bro a high 5! My last words to Dan were.. Get a job you fucking loser. Is that harsh? Yes for sure.. Wishing nothing but the best for Dan and his future. He knows this...

Next up Sierra..�
maybe he was partying like he was still in college because he was still in college? can you post under your alter ego LP?

Does that change anything? Sinclair claims the reason for his lack of footage has been his constant partying. College or not. It's not like you're forced to party while enrolled in college.

Isn't this the same old story? A company kicks riders off because their product doesn't sell. Skate companies are businesses. Businesses have to make cuts from time to time.

That Jackson dude is acting like Dan Murphy has built Foundation. I see it the same way as Sinclair. Foundation helped Murphy more than the other way round. The company helped him to stay afloat for a bit more, but he didn't sell much product in return. That being said, Murphy is an awesome skater. He's a bit past his prime, but he's released a much celebrated part with Bachinsky on the Thrasher site only a couple of months ago. Isn't that "killing it" and "releasing footage"? I don't see many other Foundation riders who have released parts in this period (at least none that I remember).
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: able on April 23, 2014, 09:35:48 AM
All of this makes complete sense: BUT: Sinclair posted that photo in an effort to attack these dudes personally, not explain his business endeavors. If you're going to kick people off to better the company, so be it, but this was a passive aggressive way to give a public 'fuck you' to dudes he had on the team.
I didn't know whether or not to agree with this sentiment until I read
TUM YETO- "the last thing I said to Dan Murphy was "" get a job loser"."

That kinda puts this in a different perspective
(http://i62.tinypic.com/t8mcmt.jpg)

There's my two cents

Sincerely,
        
        <--  Guy on the internet.

I think it's no secret that this guy thinks Richie Jackson is the best. The best? The best. ooooweeee!
Thank you for quoting de LA soul

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shark tits on April 23, 2014, 09:38:01 AM
Good Morning SLAP PALS! I know most of you want both sides of the story.. Dan Murphy is / was my great friend. I was the first person to sponsor him and recently I was the last. I helped Dan out as much as I possibly could and paid him longer than any of his other sponsors. When he was kicked off Mystery a few years back, I picked him up gave him a board on Foundation as fast as I possibly could to help him keep him going. Some people liked this move and some hated it. Does Dan Murphy fit Foundation? Nah.. but I backed him and his skating. Everyone that was on the team liked Murphy and he was always fun to be around. When I signed him up I sat him down and explained to him that this would probably only last a couple of years so I wanted to prepare him for life after skating... Dan was in his early 30's then. I made him the best bro deal I could possibly make him for being at a small brand like Foundation. I will pay you and you can live in NC but all I need from you is to provide me with proper footage and get coverage in all the mags. In the meantime you can go back to College (he already has a degree) or start a business of you own to help prepare you for the next chapter in life after skating. Dan filmed a bit had a part in WTF which was rad in my opinion. Dan was plagued with injury after injury which happens... some from skating some from partying...Dan still parties like he is still in college and I still see this as his down fall. I always told Dan even in his Mystery days to "Go back to Flow" The meaning of that is when Dan was on flow he was on fire, he fucking killed it everyday went out but Dan lives 1 block away from his old College campus. Dan loves to party. In the end Dan was not producing as much or well as the other riders, he was only producing on a local level and the local shops could not sell enough or any Dan Murphy boards for us to keep paying him. Does Dan Murphy still have fans... For sure, I'm still a fan. Years have gone by and Dan has had little to no coverage or no supporting sponsors to help him travel or get coverage. Dan's last effort was in "Film & Destory" a local North Carolina video that is rad but is also a board company (Post 22). Dan does not ride for Post 22 or Foundation. Dan recently went over my head and discussed with Swank about how much he has been working lately and that he feels insulted that we could only promote him on a local level. If Dan Murphy was still killing it and his boards were selling I would be giving my bro a high 5! My last words to Dan were.. Get a job you fucking loser. Is that harsh? Yes for sure.. Wishing nothing but the best for Dan and his future. He knows this...

Next up Sierra..�
maybe he was partying like he was still in college because he was still in college? can you post under your alter ego LP?

Does that change anything? Sinclair claims the reason for his lack of footage has been his constant partying. College or not. It's not like you're forced to party while enrolled in college.

Isn't this the same old story? A company kicks riders off because their product doesn't sell. Skate companies are businesses. Businesses have to make cuts from time to time.

That Jackson dude is acting like Dan Murphy has built Foundation. I see it the same way as Sinclair. Foundation helped Murphy more than the other way round. The company helped him to stay afloat for a bit more, but he didn't sell much product in return. That being said, Murphy is an awesome skater. He's a bit past his prime, but he's released a much celebrated part with Bachinsky on the Thrasher site only a couple of months ago. Isn't that "killing it" and "releasing footage"? I don't see many other Foundation riders who have released parts in this period (at least none that I remember).
maybe. if he were in a frat then he would in fact be forced to drink and do the date rape. i just thought it was funny, not funny haha but funny like 'the aryan brotherhood was started by jews' sort of way. ya can't tell someone to stop cursing like a sailor if they in fact sail.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fongstarr. on April 23, 2014, 09:45:09 AM

Isn't this the same old story? A company kicks riders off because their product doesn't sell. Skate companies are businesses. Businesses have to make cuts from time to time.


I feel like one day people will get this. Skating is not the same as it used to be. Getting friends on companies are hardly locked careers anymore. Look at Daniel and other bro flows that have all been getting cut. If I had a business, and paid a rider monthly and in return only wanted footage and never got it, I'd probably have to kick them off as well.

What sucks is I always liked Murphy. His Mystery parts and even his Nike one. He wasn't tech as shit but he went for it.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Stoop Kid 2.0 on April 23, 2014, 09:55:12 AM
Last words were pretty harsh.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shark tits on April 23, 2014, 10:00:37 AM
Last words were pretty harsh.
i'm sure it was said w/ love. he said they were pals from NC.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shit_for_brains on April 23, 2014, 10:02:57 AM
Last words were pretty harsh.

Sometimes you have to tell your friends harsh shit. Like HEY JASON QUIT GETTING SO MANY GIRLS PREGNANT
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Iceman on April 23, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
most of the above is legit, but foundation crossed the ethical business line when they forced an underage salazar to film a part against doctor's orders --> only to end up dropping him anyway.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: macgruber on April 23, 2014, 10:09:28 AM
I imagine it's hard to keep a guy on the team when he doesn't really skate with the rest of your team.

I'm curious if Abdias was cut from the team too for similar reasons.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: el chino on April 23, 2014, 10:17:21 AM
Good Morning SLAP PALS! I know most of you want both sides of the story.. Dan Murphy is / was my great friend. I was the first person to sponsor him and recently I was the last. I helped Dan out as much as I possibly could and paid him longer than any of his other sponsors. When he was kicked off Mystery a few years back, I picked him up gave him a board on Foundation as fast as I possibly could to help him keep him going. Some people liked this move and some hated it. Does Dan Murphy fit Foundation? Nah.. but I backed him and his skating. Everyone that was on the team liked Murphy and he was always fun to be around. When I signed him up I sat him down and explained to him that this would probably only last a couple of years so I wanted to prepare him for life after skating... Dan was in his early 30's then. I made him the best bro deal I could possibly make him for being at a small brand like Foundation. I will pay you and you can live in NC but all I need from you is to provide me with proper footage and get coverage in all the mags. In the meantime you can go back to College (he already has a degree) or start a business of you own to help prepare you for the next chapter in life after skating. Dan filmed a bit had a part in WTF which was rad in my opinion. Dan was plagued with injury after injury which happens... some from skating some from partying...Dan still parties like he is still in college and I still see this as his down fall. I always told Dan even in his Mystery days to "Go back to Flow" The meaning of that is when Dan was on flow he was on fire, he fucking killed it everyday went out but Dan lives 1 block away from his old College campus. Dan loves to party. In the end Dan was not producing as much or well as the other riders, he was only producing on a local level and the local shops could not sell enough or any Dan Murphy boards for us to keep paying him. Does Dan Murphy still have fans... For sure, I'm still a fan. Years have gone by and Dan has had little to no coverage or no supporting sponsors to help him travel or get coverage. Dan's last effort was in "Film & Destory" a local North Carolina video that is rad but is also a board company (Post 22). Dan does not ride for Post 22 or Foundation. Dan recently went over my head and discussed with Swank about how much he has been working lately and that he feels insulted that we could only promote him on a local level. If Dan Murphy was still killing it and his boards were selling I would be giving my bro a high 5! My last words to Dan were.. Get a job you fucking loser. Is that harsh? Yes for sure.. Wishing nothing but the best for Dan and his future. He knows this...

Next up Sierra.. 
lose some weight  fucking dick, i hope you dont do that shit to mexicans cause you'll get it mijo.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fastfreddy on April 23, 2014, 10:19:52 AM
Last words were pretty harsh.
i'm sure it was said w/ love. he said they were pals from NC.

I live in VA, where word about NC skaters spread quickly our way. These words were NOT said w/love. Also, TMKF, I knew this before I commented, leading me to make my statement about the passive aggressivity.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Early Hokus Pokus on April 23, 2014, 10:25:50 AM
I give no shit's about Sinclair, Beagle, or anyone at Tum Yeto that isn't named Ed.  
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shark tits on April 23, 2014, 10:27:00 AM
Last words were pretty harsh.
i'm sure it was said w/ love. he said they were pals from NC.

I live in VA, where word about NC skaters spread quickly our way. These words were NOT said w/love. Also, TMKF, I knew this before I commented, leading me to make my statement about the passive aggressivity.
and you don't think it's possible that w/ every 2nd hand retelling that it grew into something bigger than it was? you should hear the nutty rumors about skaters around here, 'dude nodded out, woke up and cabbed an 8 stair' or 'dude was in a manual, looked over at us, shrugged and said 'fuck it' then kickflipped out' 'mike graham decided everyone is wearing a mask so he shaved his eyebrows' and so on. maybe you're right but i tend to think gossip girls be embellishing.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Exposure on April 23, 2014, 10:28:12 AM
I'm interested to hear what happened with Sierra. Was it just lack of footage?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Mr. Fink on April 23, 2014, 10:29:45 AM
I'm confused. The one time I met Mike he told me "Quit school. School is nothing but a waste of time. Party every day like you're in college and skate when you get a chance. Forget life after skating because there is no life after skating."

Maybe that wasn't Mike.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fastfreddy on April 23, 2014, 10:30:49 AM
Last words were pretty harsh.
i'm sure it was said w/ love. he said they were pals from NC.

I live in VA, where word about NC skaters spread quickly our way. These words were NOT said w/love. Also, TMKF, I knew this before I commented, leading me to make my statement about the passive aggressivity.
and you don't think it's possible that w/ every 2nd hand retelling that it grew into something bigger than it was? you should hear the nutty rumors about skaters around here, 'dude nodded out, woke up and cabbed an 8 stair' or 'dude was in a manual, looked over at us, shrugged and said 'fuck it' then kickflipped out' 'mike graham decided everyone is wearing a mask so he shaved his eyebrows' and so on. maybe you're right but i tend to think gossip girls be embellishing.

Thankfully it usually one 2nd hand re-telling.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Tum Yeto on April 23, 2014, 10:38:50 AM
Sierra Fellers.... I had to let Sierra go. Why? Bottom line is that Sierra was not selling any product for Foundation. I'm not in sales but I do get a budget to work with that comes from sales. Does Tum Yeto dislike Sierra? No we put him on the team and gave him a shot after Mystery kicked him off. This worked for Sierra and Foundation for many years.. The last 3-4 have been rough with Sierra sales but we carried him as long as we possibly could. Sierra is also upset that we can only offer to promote him if the demand is there. If any shop or distro that really wants a certain number of Sierra boards we told him we would print them up and pay him on those sold... Once again Sierra was bummed. We are bummed. We don't want to see a guy we have put years of marketing into die off.. People lose interest, the riders slow down with age... Pro skateboarding does not last forever. Some have longer careers than others. We have shown the love back this entire time for Sierra. Richie Jackson is his bro. Richie and I have never met but what he sent over last night was him sticking up for his bro which I back but Richie does not know me or my position or side of the story. Nothing but the best for Sierra Fellers, He's a super talented skateboarder....
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Kanye Omari West on April 23, 2014, 10:52:49 AM
"I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL YOU PIECE OF SHIT!"

...said with love
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fongstarr. on April 23, 2014, 10:54:37 AM
And this is why I am not mad at skaters being sponsored by some crazy corporate company. Sierra rode for core companies and by the end of it, he got kicked off all of them and hardly got paid a high salary. I just hope he has some money saved. His second part of life will be interesting if he doesn't have some sort of a back up.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shred420 on April 23, 2014, 11:09:59 AM
Sierra Fellers.... I had to let Sierra go. Why? Bottom line is that Sierra was not selling any product for Foundation. I'm not in sales but I do get a budget to work with that comes from sales. Does Tum Yeto dislike Sierra? No we put him on the team and gave him a shot after Mystery kicked him off. This worked for Sierra and Foundation for many years.. The last 3-4 have been rough with Sierra sales but we carried him as long as we possibly could. Sierra is also upset that we can only offer to promote him if the demand is there. If any shop or distro that really wants a certain number of Sierra boards we told him we would print them up and pay him on those sold... Once again Sierra was bummed. We are bummed. We don't want to see a guy we have put years of marketing into die off.. People lose interest, the riders slow down with age... Pro skateboarding does not last forever. Some have longer careers than others. We have shown the love back this entire time for Sierra. Richie Jackson is his bro. Richie and I have never met but what he sent over last night was him sticking up for his bro which I back but Richie does not know me or my position or side of the story. Nothing but the best for Sierra Fellers, He's a super talented skateboarder....


My only question is do you think that Sierra's lack of selling product came from kids not being interested in him any more, or that you guys at tumyeto stopped giving him the same marketing as you were and his lack of sales resulted in that? I could see how people might feel like you guys fuck people over if you guys just put all your marketing into the new kids you have now instead of continuing to push for Sierra while promoting this kids.
Because it seems to me that it would be easy for a company to just stop promoting their rider that they don't want and then use the lack of sales from the lack of promotion to give them the boot.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: stevedave on April 23, 2014, 11:21:04 AM
and Abdias???  no coverage either huh? 
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Early Hokus Pokus on April 23, 2014, 11:31:47 AM
and Abdias???  no coverage either huh? 

Sorry but Abdias is never going pro. Taylor Smith will be pro first than him.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: stevedave on April 23, 2014, 11:51:10 AM
and Abdias???  no coverage either huh? 

Sorry but Abdias is never going pro. Taylor Smith will be pro first than him.

no apologies, i was just throwing it out there, as Abdias is off the team too, but he definitely got coverage and tried to keep himself visible, so I just want to know what the reason was with him. 
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Joust Ostrich on April 23, 2014, 11:52:59 AM
Those are pretty obvious and reasonable responses to why they are no longer on the team, I get it, it didn't need to be said.  I've only seen one foundation out in the wild in 2-3 years and it certainly wasn't a Fellars.  Too bad, like him but I'm not seeking out his board either.

How about an explanation for the dickheaded instagram post, and why there are fucking skateboards in an ace hardware?  If you'd like to state again that you are not in sales, and not responsible for board placement in stores that is fine.

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Early Hokus Pokus on April 23, 2014, 12:10:18 PM
and Abdias???  no coverage either huh? 

Sorry but Abdias is never going pro. Taylor Smith will be pro first than him.

no apologies, i was just throwing it out there, as Abdias is off the team too, but he definitely got coverage and tried to keep himself visible, so I just want to know what the reason was with him. 

Didn't know he was off. His Cataclysmic Abyss part was a favorite of mine. Hope he finds a new board sponsor.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: AssBandit on April 23, 2014, 12:11:05 PM
wow, real shit 101.  pro skaters take note.  do your job so you can keep getting paid.  gone are the days being known off of a 4yo part.  it's like you have to create an image and brand around yourself to be relevant these days.  no more being the introspective skater that you had to chase to get coverage.  as much as i hate nyjah and his cheese crackers, he's out there whoring himself so he can keep getting paid(not justifying it at all btw).  it's like the 1% economy in skating now. 

never liked how tumyeto 'seemingly' runs their business, but sinclair is correct in this instance.  he's been known for being a harsh dude, but i doubt he's been unfair.  if those guys really want it, there's always gonna be a way to stick around in the greater scheme of skateboarding.  good to hear both sides of the story in this inflammatory internet age.  

also, it' been a min since i've bought anything tum yeto related, so sorry fellers and murphy for not supporting you guys. 


I always get a chuckle outta this vid tho. 

Sierra Fellers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBjBz3I5DD4#)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Stoop Kid 2.0 on April 23, 2014, 12:23:31 PM
People buy servold and Merlino boards over sierra? That boggles my mind. Sierra is a great skater and I can definitely see little kids being into him because he's tech. Doesn't he also skate every contest he can and do pretty we'll?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Donkey Lips on April 23, 2014, 12:29:41 PM
Sierra Fellers.... I had to let Sierra go. Why? Bottom line is that Sierra was not selling any product for Foundation.

Does anybody sell product for Foundation
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shark tits on April 23, 2014, 12:43:20 PM
Sierra Fellers.... I had to let Sierra go. Why? Bottom line is that Sierra was not selling any product for Foundation.

Does anybody sell product for Foundation
out they trunk. i have no idea but foundation was the best thing going for a little while in the 90s. josh beagle and heath, berra before he got into scientifical madness, frank hirata before he took his wife's name, ronnie creager, wild wil taylor before he went to the penitentiary for being too wild and steve olson, he of the thick lenses and 180 nosegrind shove its down hubba hideout. those were the days!
ethan fowler era was good too but not as good.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Ollie Ringwald on April 23, 2014, 12:43:33 PM
Sierra Fellers.... I had to let Sierra go. Why? Bottom line is that Sierra was not selling any product for Foundation.

Does anybody sell product for Foundation

Yeah, surely Sinclair will have to kick himself off then rub it in by taking the piss out of himself on Instagram next.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: jexe on April 23, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
its only sinclair being sinclair and doing his job his way harsh but fair...on the flip side, no wonder foundation struggle to shift boards, the graphics are weak as fuck.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ALABAMAMAN on April 23, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
just put out a Sinclair board already....id buy it. 

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Ollie Ringwald on April 23, 2014, 12:49:59 PM
its only sinclair being sinclair and doing his job

But other than packing boxes and posting stuff isn't the team managers job to get the team to produce what they need to?

He's obviously shit at his job.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: UL8 on April 23, 2014, 01:03:44 PM
its only sinclair being sinclair and doing his job

But other than packing boxes and posting stuff isn't the team managers job to get the team to produce what they need to?

He's obviously shit at his job.
In the past few years Sinclair has done a hell of a job bringing new talent to Foundation. I'm not trying to hate, but sierra fellers doesn't look as good on a skateboard as any of the other dudes who ride for Foundation. When I think of Foundation these days I think of Taylor Smith, Ryan Spencer (I think that's his name) and Dakota Servhold. Those are the guys making the brand relevant.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SHARPSHOOTER on April 23, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
Just the fact they sell Foundation boards at an Ace Hardware store just shows how their business is ran.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: jexe on April 23, 2014, 01:11:16 PM
its only sinclair being sinclair and doing his job

But other than packing boxes and posting stuff isn't the team managers job to get the team to produce what they need to?

He's obviously shit at his job.

not really, producing quality coverage is pretty much what seperates someone who skates for a career, and your local hero.  
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: wallieD on April 23, 2014, 01:12:36 PM
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2yy2opk.jpg)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Radgasm on April 23, 2014, 01:41:52 PM
its only sinclair being sinclair and doing his job

But other than packing boxes and posting stuff isn't the team managers job to get the team to produce what they need to?

He's obviously shit at his job.

not really, producing quality coverage is pretty much what seperates someone who skates for a career, and your local hero.  

Murhpy and Sierra's latest footy was a bummer. None of this is surprising to me.

Thanks for the info Sinclair, and Richie, don't use the F word plz... Some of us aren't in high school anymore. Thx.

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Wall of Nausea on April 23, 2014, 01:45:43 PM
Toy Machine is the only thing that keeps Tum Yeto's weak ass afloat. Foundation no longer matters, Pig is fucking stupid, and Dekline shoes/Ruckus trucks? Yeah I'm sure they're killing it in sales.

It's amazing that they give Ed semi if not majority stake in his company, while they act like complete fuckwits with their other brands. When is the last time any of you actually bought a Tum Yeto product that wasn't a Toy Machine... Me either. I bought Foundation shit in the 90's and early 2000's, but that really doesn't matter to their current excel spreadsheet. Todd Swank has always been a gigantic fucktard anyway. Another reason I stopped buying from them once the ego swelled to douche proportions.

It's time for all these major brands in what was once our little community to take a hit, they've all gone Starbucks on people's asses. There is zilch need for monoliths in this childish wood plank game. So I only buy small brands and companies shit I RESPECT. Tum Yeto is not small regardless of that whole bull they throw. Nothing is legitimate these days. BUY BUY BUY!

and all you sucking off the skateboard equivalent to a high school football coach (Team Managers, Sinclair) you dumb dumb's need a mental check as to why you're in the skateboard game to begin with. Since when have all these slap business major cats showed up on the scene? We get it, we get older and understand how the world works, but skateboarding is a youth culture activity that passes in time. It's not to be dissected. Shit people clambering to make a buck in this futile thing always will, but it's your discretion to permit them your dollar. Don't if you feel that way.

Go spend real money on real quality, not quantity.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Droopy McGrass on April 23, 2014, 02:32:31 PM
This was addressed in the other Mike Sinclair thread where he gave some bullshit answer to kicking Ben Gore off Dekline that sounded like the same kind of shit you'd hear from the corporate dude promoting X-games or some shit.
Absolutely. Sinclair is obviously a charismatic and affable guy, he's got the LP thing, he can skate, etc, but he gets away with certain practices here and there that are lacking in integrity. Also, all of his replies here are thorough but heavily flavored with nice doses of self-aggrandizement.  As you said, thanks Mike for at least making your thought process and actions fairly transparent if anyone wants to take the time to actually listen to your process. All of that said, this Dan Murphy thing seems completely reasonable.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: EasyOnTheWaxBro on April 23, 2014, 02:42:33 PM
why dont more "pros" take marketing into their own hands?..
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fongstarr. on April 23, 2014, 03:04:26 PM
why dont more "pros" take marketing into their own hands?..

That is what I am saying. They can find some photographers that would shoot for cheap. Hell, even I would shoot some photos for free just for the practice. If the photo, footage or whatever was rad, I am sure their companies would put it up.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: tony volume on April 23, 2014, 03:12:36 PM
Last words were pretty harsh.
i'm sure it was said w/ love. he said they were pals from NC.

I live in VA, where word about NC skaters spread quickly our way. These words were NOT said w/love. Also, TMKF, I knew this before I commented, leading me to make my statement about the passive aggressivity.
I Was stationed in Norfolk, and I can back you up on this.
I used to kick it at cardinal when I was in port, and you get people from NC in there all the time.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fastfreddy on April 23, 2014, 03:17:28 PM
This was addressed in the other Mike Sinclair thread where he gave some bullshit answer to kicking Ben Gore off Dekline that sounded like the same kind of shit you'd hear from the corporate dude promoting X-games or some shit.
Absolutely. Sinclair is obviously a charismatic and affable guy, he's got the LP thing, he can skate, etc, but he gets away with certain practices here and there that are lacking in integrity. Also, all of his replies here are thorough but heavily flavored with nice doses of self-aggrandizement.  As you said, thanks Mike for at least making your thought process and actions fairly transparent if anyone wants to take the time to actually listen to your process. All of that said, this Dan Murphy thing seems completely reasonable.

Firing him may, but bashing him on the internet? I don't know man. Seems weird to me to do that.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: vegan*shawn on April 23, 2014, 03:20:01 PM
Pig makes good rails, that's the only product of theirs I skate. Have not had a Tum Yeto board in years, they where ahead of their time with Deathbox, should have kept that going, it was a rad concept.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Joe Davola on April 23, 2014, 03:23:13 PM
Foundation needs better art direction and Toy needs to make better shapes.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: el chino on April 23, 2014, 03:24:44 PM
its only sinclair being sinclair and doing his job

But other than packing boxes and posting stuff isn't the team managers job to get the team to produce what they need to?

He's obviously shit at his job.
In the past few years Sinclair has done a hell of a job bringing new talent to Foundation. I'm not trying to hate, but sierra fellers doesn't look as good on a skateboard as any of the other dudes who ride for Foundation. When I think of Foundation these days I think of Taylor Smith, Ryan Spencer (I think that's his name) and Dakota Servhold. Those are the guys making the brand relevant.
nah dude, the kids bring in the talent, he just watches.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Pango on April 23, 2014, 03:29:49 PM
Honestly internet fights are pretty lame.  I doubt Richie Jackson would honestly fight anyone in Tum Yeto in real life.  Hes way too full of himself, look at his t-shirts he sells....

As for Mike Sinclair and Tum Yeto, they are the best and actually connected with the skating community.  I had an email interview with Ed when I was back in high school while I was doing a project on being a vegetarian/vegan athlete and I emailed Mike which he just instinctively asked Ed to be in it.  Thanks Tum Yeto and yes I am a Loyal Pawn

Thanks Mike and Tum Yeto, most of know its a business and hard decisions have to happen, but Tum Yeto keeps it real as well compared to the other skateboard distributions 
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: sid vicious on April 23, 2014, 03:52:18 PM
toy machine & duffel would be the only things making tum yeto money, the day duffel leaves there finished.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Pavementi on April 23, 2014, 04:09:45 PM
didnt omar say he was going to get kicked off for having a knee surgery that would keep him from having a part in art bars
He's said as much. Omar has no love for TumYeto.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: GoodBurger on April 23, 2014, 04:36:35 PM
still dont know why ace fucking hardware selling boards hasn't been discussed more. does that make sense to the people at ace hardware even? regardless i think yum-yeto should scrap everything but toy machine and pig rails.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Nigga on April 23, 2014, 04:38:13 PM
foundation is irrelevant
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Early Hokus Pokus on April 23, 2014, 04:52:00 PM
I wonder if he tried to put Dan on World Industries....
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ill_Murray on April 23, 2014, 04:52:37 PM
still dont know why ace fucking hardware selling boards hasn't been discussed more. does that make sense to the people at ace hardware even? regardless i think yum-yeto should scrap everything but toy machine and pig rails.


I'm willing to bet it was an ACE hardware that went out of business and the skateshop that took over just kept the signs.  
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: conqueso on April 23, 2014, 04:55:16 PM
Id much rather buy a board at ace hardware then at a mall
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: cousinharold on April 23, 2014, 05:05:54 PM
rails
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on April 23, 2014, 05:17:45 PM
Isn't shit like this the reason pro skaters have no qualms with going corpo.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Tyroneshoelaces on April 23, 2014, 05:18:02 PM
Sinclair is dope.

Remember when Richie Jackson posted on here?  Shit was embarrassing.  He was peddling the "tortured intellect" bullshit.
Cool tricks but dude is a kook of the highest order
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: iwshilvdnfinland on April 23, 2014, 05:55:06 PM
As a fan of skateboarding, I met Sierra at Woodward and thought he was a really nice guy.  that being said, most kids are not going to get behind a super christian dude with 0 fashion sense, decked out in Circa's/stock gear as Grecs would put it.  Shit just isnt going to happen.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Monkey_Mcpott on April 23, 2014, 07:00:35 PM
Can someone forward Sinclairs message to Pops please...

Fellers and Murphy had a good run. They both never really hit it big but were on the spotlight at some point. Some pros can get lucky and milk a company for years longer without putting any effort. At the end of the day there is a younger more hungrier kid that can do all your tricks and willing to take less money to take your spot. Some companies just have the money or are willing to let that one friend take advantage of a once in lifetime opportunity. Then there's situations like Castillo where it just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: nowell on April 23, 2014, 07:45:30 PM
THE SELF-GOOGLER IS AT IT AGAIN
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: foureyedjim on April 23, 2014, 07:58:34 PM
wow, real shit 101.  pro skaters take note.  do your job so you can keep getting paid.  gone are the days being known off of a 4yo part.  it's like you have to create an image and brand around yourself to be relevant these days.  no more being the introspective skater that you had to chase to get coverage.  as much as i hate nyjah and his cheese crackers, he's out there whoring himself so he can keep getting paid(not justifying it at all btw).  it's like the 1% economy in skating now. 

never liked how tumyeto 'seemingly' runs their business, but sinclair is correct in this instance.  he's been known for being a harsh dude, but i doubt he's been unfair.  if those guys really want it, there's always gonna be a way to stick around in the greater scheme of skateboarding.  good to hear both sides of the story in this inflammatory internet age.  

also, it' been a min since i've bought anything tum yeto related, so sorry fellers and murphy for not supporting you guys. 


I always get a chuckle outta this vid tho. 

Sierra Fellers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBjBz3I5DD4#)
that was weird...

"Do you want to give your life to Jesus?"
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Richie Jackson on April 23, 2014, 07:59:36 PM
Sinclair is dope.

Remember when Richie Jackson posted on here?  Shit was embarrassing.  He was peddling the "tortured intellect" bullshit.
Cool tricks but dude is a kook of the highest order

Take your own life, player!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: spool of cord on April 23, 2014, 08:26:30 PM
I'm just happy to say I've been skating for over ten years and have never bought a tum yeto board

but I have bought a board from a hardware store though


like the dude above said, its better than buying one from a mall.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Pango on April 23, 2014, 09:32:00 PM
Honestly internet fights are pretty lame.� I doubt Richie Jackson would honestly fight anyone in Tum Yeto in real life.� Hes way too full of himself, look at his t-shirts he sells....

As for Mike Sinclair and Tum Yeto, they are the best and actually connected with the skating community.� I had an email interview with Ed when I was back in high school while I was doing a project on being a vegetarian/vegan athlete and I emailed Mike which he just instinctively asked Ed to be in it.� Thanks Tum Yeto and yes I am a Loyal Pawn

Thanks Mike and Tum Yeto, most of know its a business and hard decisions have to happen, but Tum Yeto keeps it real as well compared to the other skateboard distributions�


Nah dude, regurgitate that cock out from the depths of your throat.  We got companies ACTUALLY keeping it real now.  We don't have to settle for companies who sell their shit to CCS, Active, Zumiez, and ACE???  Tum-yeto is a mall brand now... as well as anyone else in those shops.  There are distributions out there thriving without throwing people under the bus now. There are real underground companies out there to support.  Shit is gonna have to change if you sell-outs want to be able to keep that skater-owned clout.  You aren't keeping it real if your doing "CCS exclusive color ways" and bullshit.  Sorry.  We have options now.  And more and more shops are stocking Theories brands and other independent brand every day.  

I support Tum Yeto because of the skaters they sponsor and because they actually respond back to the community.  I'm all for the underground and small brands, but companies have to stay afloat hence why you see companies like Emerica or Toy Machine selling at Zumies which I have no problem with.  I dont like Zumies and shit, but companies have to do what they got to do.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: pandarelated on April 23, 2014, 09:37:15 PM
i dunno what about what..
but richie jackson and jason park should be on the same team.. just my thought
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: PsychOut on April 23, 2014, 09:52:00 PM
Sierra has got to be the most bland boring person on a skateboard, id drop him too

Now hes gone give Taylor Smith a board

This Aus Foundation riders pretty good, especially the last minute

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqoMXafstN0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqoMXafstN0#)

(http://www.fasttimes.com.au/system/team/hero_image/0000/0014/large/MarkSnapper50_50Mapstone.jpg?1317017558)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwEhFi478E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwEhFi478E#)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: REGS on April 23, 2014, 11:03:04 PM
Snapper also has a new part premiering this week for Gooch 3. Should be good.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Tracer on April 23, 2014, 11:23:27 PM
So does this mean there are 2 open roster spots on Foundation? PM me if you need a guy that's 100% foundation
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: White Owl on April 23, 2014, 11:29:38 PM
Foundation needs better art direction and Toy needs to make better shapes.

so on point. i would buy so many damn toy boards if they werent so damn flat. i need concave
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Mazzer on April 23, 2014, 11:59:31 PM
It just seems like F tries to pick up guys at a discount.  Either no name-ers who are willing to huck for a buck or it's guys leaving Black Box.  I mean, it seemed really cool at the time that they picked up those guys who got kicked off or left Black Box or whatever, but when it's all said and done, it kind of seems a little suspect. 

"yeah, we're really cool for hooking these guys up when they would have been on the street, but now that their Black Box residual notoriety has worn off, we just have to make a business decision and tell them to get a fucking job and grow up."  Obviously the front end is a business decision too and not them just "being legit."

Why did Leo leave?  F has some problems keeping guys on both ends of the spectrum.  Without a Chris Cole or Shane O'Neill type of skater, they're just going to be on Black Label path here pretty soon.  The new kids you're going to rebut me with that you're stoked on at the moment, they'll be old and lazy in a couple years too. It's cyclical, and that's why the F's image is suffering so much.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SodaJerk on April 24, 2014, 12:01:21 AM
i dunno what about what..
but richie jackson and jason park should be on the same team.. just my thought
Sure why not? Just another team I wouldn't give a fuck about  ;) Richie does some rad shit but that Jason Park is way to gross to watch.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: greenmilktea on April 24, 2014, 12:04:36 AM
i heard the story about leo leaving and then getting on toy that shit's funny todd swank seems like a lame
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: erotikmesse88 on April 24, 2014, 03:06:58 AM
is this shit really worth a thread
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: REGS on April 24, 2014, 03:08:39 AM
is this shit really worth a thread

Sinclair's justification and Richie calling someone out as a faggot were worth it
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Harem on April 24, 2014, 03:52:39 AM
Sierra has got to be the most bland boring person on a skateboard, id drop him too

Now hes gone give Taylor Smith a board

This Aus Foundation riders pretty good, especially the last minute

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqoMXafstN0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqoMXafstN0#)

(http://www.fasttimes.com.au/system/team/hero_image/0000/0014/large/MarkSnapper50_50Mapstone.jpg?1317017558)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwEhFi478E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwEhFi478E#)

Is this a post to try and get Sinclair to to take notice of this guy?

That Snapper guy is horrible to watch. No different to a thousand other kids who are flowed.

Not surprised to hear that about Fellars/Murphy.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Nydoggular on April 24, 2014, 04:34:08 AM
Maybe now Foundation will stop sleeping and put Ryan Cooper fully on.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: sid vicious on April 24, 2014, 05:01:43 AM
time to re-build, here's some free agent names........creager, kirchart, ethan, beagle, berra, olson, mulder
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: beazlocal on April 24, 2014, 05:18:37 AM
I'm pretty surprised at how many people fail to realize that our beloved hobby is a fucking business, involving people with jobs, that need to do their jobs. Pretty simple, business is business, skateboarding is no different.

Want to have a "homie" company, fund it and see how long you'll last until you're standing in the soup kitchen line.

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: tortfeasor on April 24, 2014, 05:21:12 AM
Id rather rep ace hardware than diamond hardware
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: 360 frip on April 24, 2014, 05:47:12 AM
In the grand scheme of things it is Ricky Jackson and Foundation, who cares?

If it was the ruler?

Worth a thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZxgOYz5x8g
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: REGS on April 24, 2014, 05:55:57 AM
time to re-build, here's some free agent names........creager, kirchart, ethan, beagle, berra, olson, mulder

Beagle and Berra on Foundation confirmed
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: sprayTAN101 on April 24, 2014, 06:26:12 AM
"I felt this deserved it's on post". Woa! Genius in the house!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: eelbermston on April 24, 2014, 06:49:07 AM
Murphy and Fellars are great skaters and deserved everything they got out of their careers. Sad to say they are not legends nor do they appeal to a niche market (ie leo valles,) and just like in other professional "sports" ( i use that term loosely) you get a solid ten year run and then its time to move on with your life.

With that said at the end of careers such as hosoi and grosso no one really paid them any mind.. some jail time and a little rehab later they are back and everyone loves them.. who knows what the future holds.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Bitter on April 24, 2014, 07:45:44 AM
Sierra Fellers.... I had to let Sierra go. Why? Bottom line is that Sierra was not selling any product for Foundation. I'm not in sales but I do get a budget to work with that comes from sales. Does Tum Yeto dislike Sierra? No we put him on the team and gave him a shot after Mystery kicked him off. This worked for Sierra and Foundation for many years.. The last 3-4 have been rough with Sierra sales but we carried him as long as we possibly could. Sierra is also upset that we can only offer to promote him if the demand is there. If any shop or distro that really wants a certain number of Sierra boards we told him we would print them up and pay him on those sold... Once again Sierra was bummed. We are bummed. We don't want to see a guy we have put years of marketing into die off.. People lose interest, the riders slow down with age... Pro skateboarding does not last forever. Some have longer careers than others. We have shown the love back this entire time for Sierra. Richie Jackson is his bro. Richie and I have never met but what he sent over last night was him sticking up for his bro which I back but Richie does not know me or my position or side of the story. Nothing but the best for Sierra Fellers, He's a super talented skateboarder....


My only question is do you think that Sierra's lack of selling product came from kids not being interested in him any more, or that you guys at tumyeto stopped giving him the same marketing as you were and his lack of sales resulted in that? I could see how people might feel like you guys fuck people over if you guys just put all your marketing into the new kids you have now instead of continuing to push for Sierra while promoting this kids.
Because it seems to me that it would be easy for a company to just stop promoting their rider that they don't want and then use the lack of sales from the lack of promotion to give them the boot.

I was curious about that too. Isn't it counterproductive to stop promoting a rider when his sales are down? Or is it a throwing good money after bad situation, where it's already concluded the end is near?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Lance on April 24, 2014, 08:02:47 AM
Haven't really followed Foundation since this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Bfa_4boDRQ
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: tortfeasor on April 24, 2014, 08:03:40 AM
Sierra Fellers.... I had to let Sierra go. Why? Bottom line is that Sierra was not selling any product for Foundation. I'm not in sales but I do get a budget to work with that comes from sales. Does Tum Yeto dislike Sierra? No we put him on the team and gave him a shot after Mystery kicked him off. This worked for Sierra and Foundation for many years.. The last 3-4 have been rough with Sierra sales but we carried him as long as we possibly could. Sierra is also upset that we can only offer to promote him if the demand is there. If any shop or distro that really wants a certain number of Sierra boards we told him we would print them up and pay him on those sold... Once again Sierra was bummed. We are bummed. We don't want to see a guy we have put years of marketing into die off.. People lose interest, the riders slow down with age... Pro skateboarding does not last forever. Some have longer careers than others. We have shown the love back this entire time for Sierra. Richie Jackson is his bro. Richie and I have never met but what he sent over last night was him sticking up for his bro which I back but Richie does not know me or my position or side of the story. Nothing but the best for Sierra Fellers, He's a super talented skateboarder....


My only question is do you think that Sierra's lack of selling product came from kids not being interested in him any more, or that you guys at tumyeto stopped giving him the same marketing as you were and his lack of sales resulted in that? I could see how people might feel like you guys fuck people over if you guys just put all your marketing into the new kids you have now instead of continuing to push for Sierra while promoting this kids.
Because it seems to me that it would be easy for a company to just stop promoting their rider that they don't want and then use the lack of sales from the lack of promotion to give them the boot.

I was curious about that too. Isn't it counterproductive to stop promoting a rider when his sales are down? Or is it a throwing good money after bad situation, where it's already concluded the end is near?

From a business perspective I would see skaters as a high risk deprecating commodity with big gains in the short term followed by a plateau until eventual deprecation.  I wouldn't pump new money at an investment that stagnated. especially if it's more than it's brining in. Like all rules this has obvious exceptions but for every cardiel or koston there are 50 Spanky's
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Donkey Lips on April 24, 2014, 08:48:54 AM
Aw don't take it down Mike.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Kanye Omari West on April 24, 2014, 08:57:49 AM
Sierra has got to be the most bland boring person on a skateboard, id drop him too

Now hes gone give Taylor Smith a board

This Aus Foundation riders pretty good, especially the last minute

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqoMXafstN0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqoMXafstN0#)

(http://www.fasttimes.com.au/system/team/hero_image/0000/0014/large/MarkSnapper50_50Mapstone.jpg?1317017558)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwEhFi478E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqwEhFi478E#)

Is this a post to try and get Sinclair to to take notice of this guy?

That Snapper guy is horrible to watch. No different to a thousand other kids who are flowed.

Not surprised to hear that about Fellars/Murphy.

Gotta agree, style was kinda rough to watch which is why I only stuck around for about 15-20 seconds of the first part
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: NickDagger on April 24, 2014, 09:13:22 AM
Aw don't take it down Mike.

? What he say?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SHARPSHOOTER on April 24, 2014, 09:39:02 AM
So does this mean there are 2 open roster spots on Foundation? PM me if you need a guy that's 100% foundation
Tracer for Foundation. Also, fucking Christians are weird. Jesus came inside me and I gave my life to him"
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fongstarr. on April 24, 2014, 09:44:22 AM
Murphy and Fellars are great skaters and deserved everything they got out of their careers. Sad to say they are not legends nor do they appeal to a niche market (ie leo valles,) and just like in other professional "sports" ( i use that term loosely) you get a solid ten year run and then its time to move on with your life.

With that said at the end of careers such as hosoi and grosso no one really paid them any mind.. some jail time and a little rehab later they are back and everyone loves them.. who knows what the future holds.

I agree. Also they entered in skateboarding at an odd time. It's not like they can pull a Gino and just skate and everyone would be happy. Unfortunately they need to progress and sadly the younger generation of kids are shitting on even current pros now. If you don't hang with that and are not exploiting yourself, well you ain't going to sell boards and you are going to get kicked off.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: macgruber on April 24, 2014, 09:47:53 AM
I don't understand the "a skater owned company had to let a few riders go. Fuck them, I'm going corporate," mentality but I often buy ramen at Wal Mart when its on fire sale so whatever gets your goat I guess.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: g.i.s.m. on April 24, 2014, 09:48:40 AM
any hate on foundation is kind of foreign to me, i dont feel like theyve ever wronged anybody... i cant say id ride any of the pro models... but that goes for toy machine too. all the new graphics for both those brands look silly to me, though i would easily pay full price for a moon & star or devil cat graphic tho. stick to the classics guys. when WTF came out people were re-psyched on foundation again for awhile. just make a new video with a new ryan spencer (the best dude right now) section and tell dakota servold to lose the bucket hat and stop skating transition cause nobody gives a fuck if u r not on a rail bud. who else is still even on besides those two? duffel? is that it
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: LifeHammered on April 24, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
Ace Hardware or any other non skateshop having a certain company's product really has nothing to do with that company. Anybody can buy boards from a distributor and re-sell them.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: heritage on April 24, 2014, 10:50:46 AM
why dont more "pros" take marketing into their own hands?..

That is what I am saying. They can find some photographers that would shoot for cheap. Hell, even I would shoot some photos for free just for the practice. If the photo, footage or whatever was rad, I am sure their companies would put it up.

This. All of this. But it's always someone else's fault...it's always easier to blame everyone but who is in the mirror. No one really wants to put in the work. There are so many ways for pros and companies to make it happen on a grass roots level and create for themselves. The technology, social media and access to more resources are leveling the playing field. But nah...get your name on a board and pile out. But hey, when a pro fails or gets the boot it's always the big bad company's fault. Fuck off.

Fuck off to these "pros". Boo fucking hoo you lost your job because you couldn't maintain and couldn't figure out how to sustain. A bullshit song and dance and some of the lemmings in this thread that eat it up. Pick up a newspaper, millions of Americans are losing their jobs daily. You aren't special because you flip a skateboard.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: UL8 on April 24, 2014, 10:53:17 AM
I don't give a fuck about Sierra or... anyone else on Foundation. �Hell, when you say Dan didn't fit on Foundation... �Who the fuck does? �Don't know what Foundation's image is other than a place for white dudes who say the n word and dudes kicked off black box. �I think it's even funny when that dude posted the names of the dudes who were suppose to be Foundation's future, he wasn't even sure if he was getting the names right... �But, saying Dan didn't produce is bullshit. �He had the part in that horrible foundation video, he had fucking amazing shit in that independent video where he shared a part with Dave Bachinsky. �And just recently in that dope post22 vid that was on Transworld. �I see that dude constantly in the streets getting it in NC.(Maybe that's the real problem?) Talking all this cacka homie shit, but only time I've seen you in the streets your choking on some bojangles yellin at dudes from the back of a van. �Honestly I don't give 1 fuck about NC and am just buying my time in University here, but you gotta be kidding yourself if you think you can remain all "cacka" after some bullshit like this. �Dan isn't even from NC and I can tell you the streets got his back more than yours. �I think he just did like a NC local charity demo with Justin Brock too. �You want to tell him to get a real job? �Look at yourself. �If you think being a TM is real job you're fucking kidding yourself. �And like the dude said earlier, haven't you proven yourself to be horrible at it by now?

Bachinsky and Murphy in "Natural Selection" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqEERT8Zskg#)
Film & Destroy - North Carolina Skateboarding FULL VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwVvn_YVSPI#)


Ryan Spencer - Foundation WTF! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r55nT9sDqCE#)

Taylor Smith - Foundation WTF! - Video Part. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vp8zOwXfIdY#)

Pretty sure Jamie Thomas would be chomping at the bit to get either of these two dudes. Foundation isn't the greatest thing in skating, but I think Ryan Spencer is one of the better new dudes out.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: able on April 24, 2014, 11:23:44 AM
Aw don't take it down Mike.
Well, nobody was coming out of that silly "Instabeef" smelling like roses



Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Early Hokus Pokus on April 24, 2014, 11:29:30 AM
Id rather rep ace hardware than diamond hardware

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Enjoi San Jose on April 24, 2014, 01:02:11 PM
cross dressing pirate
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: HATE! on April 24, 2014, 01:41:09 PM
I still can't over when Sinclair said he would've preferred to have seen Ben Gore stay on Stereo than go to Magenta because Stereo was more established.  Stereo effectively murdered their own image, put out Penny cruisers and didn't do dick with Gore.  Gore goes to Magenta and puts out three video parts and a full length interview.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Aidan Clarke on April 24, 2014, 01:41:51 PM
wow, real shit 101. �pro skaters take note. �do your job so you can keep getting paid. �gone are the days being known off of a 4yo part. �it's like you have to create an image and brand around yourself to be relevant these days. �no more being the introspective skater that you had to chase to get coverage. �as much as i hate nyjah and his cheese crackers, he's out there whoring himself so he can keep getting paid(not justifying it at all btw). �it's like the 1% economy in skating now.�

never liked how tumyeto 'seemingly' runs their business, but sinclair is correct in this instance. �he's been known for being a harsh dude, but i doubt he's been unfair. �if those guys really want it, there's always gonna be a way to stick around in the greater scheme of skateboarding. �good to hear both sides of the story in this inflammatory internet age. �

also, it' been a min since i've bought anything tum yeto related, so sorry fellers and murphy for not supporting you guys.�


I always get a chuckle outta this vid tho.�

Sierra Fellers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBjBz3I5DD4#)


"I asked Jesus to cum inside me" - Sierra fellers
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: lalala on April 25, 2014, 06:47:44 AM
Jesus came
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: slappyslap on April 25, 2014, 06:55:00 AM
Sierra Fellers is going to stereo...
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Coconut Lotion on April 25, 2014, 07:53:03 AM
which one of you is youngpepperoni?

Thats me, kid
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: TFUCKINA on April 25, 2014, 09:16:55 AM
Not renewing contracts with skateboarders who are not relevant anymore and who don't help you sell the product you are endorsing them to sell is not "fucking someone over" it's called "good business practices". Being a pro skateboarder is a job kids, if you aren't cutting it at your job you get fired, especially these days when companies are hurting and new kids are coming up. Sinclair cut his own homie Dan Murphy who in my opinion should've never been put on Foundation in the first place as he never helped the brand, so I doubt it was anything personal. Business is business, if you don't like it skate for fun and don't expect anything out of it and you'll be fine. Foundation had it's time back in the 'Art Bars' days and Sinclair wouldn't be doing his job if he wasnt constantly trying to get it back to where it once was, I'm not even saying that's possible but he's obviously trying...

Richie is sticking up for his boy, nothing wrong with that either I would probably do the same in his position. However he's lying to himself if he thinks Sierra was doing anything to help Foundation anymore by being a paid professional skateboarder. Truth hurts sometimes, I wish all parties the best. I hope Sierra still enjoys skateboarding and perhaps finds a new sponsor that better suits him and I hope Foundation can one day get back to where it once was, let me tell you they've got a lot more to do than cutting Sierra and Murphy though...

I dont see another board company picking up sierra fellers, not a company worth a damn anyway.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Irrelevant on April 25, 2014, 09:29:28 AM
Sierra later little feller
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Hairy Ballsagna on April 25, 2014, 09:37:47 AM
Arrivamurphy Dan
ADanios amurphygos
See you later Dan Murphygator
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Julz on April 25, 2014, 09:45:56 AM
Not renewing contracts with skateboarders who are not relevant anymore and who don't help you sell the product you are endorsing them to sell is not "fucking someone over" it's called "good business practices". Being a pro skateboarder is a job kids, if you aren't cutting it at your job you get fired, especially these days when companies are hurting and new kids are coming up. Sinclair cut his own homie Dan Murphy who in my opinion should've never been put on Foundation in the first place as he never helped the brand, so I doubt it was anything personal. Business is business, if you don't like it skate for fun and don't expect anything out of it and you'll be fine. Foundation had it's time back in the 'Art Bars' days and Sinclair wouldn't be doing his job if he wasnt constantly trying to get it back to where it once was, I'm not even saying that's possible but he's obviously trying...

Richie is sticking up for his boy, nothing wrong with that either I would probably do the same in his position. However he's lying to himself if he thinks Sierra was doing anything to help Foundation anymore by being a paid professional skateboarder. Truth hurts sometimes, I wish all parties the best. I hope Sierra still enjoys skateboarding and perhaps finds a new sponsor that better suits him and I hope Foundation can one day get back to where it once was, let me tell you they've got a lot more to do than cutting Sierra and Murphy though...

I dont see another board company picking up sierra fellers, not a company worth a damn anyway.

Stereo ?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Mr. Fink on April 25, 2014, 09:47:51 AM
He could have been one of the top pros out there...but Sierra Mist his chance.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: the_unknown_soldier on April 25, 2014, 09:59:51 AM
He could have been one of the top pros out there...but Sierra Mist his chance.


Thread's over, guys. Go home.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fongstarr. on April 25, 2014, 10:01:44 AM
HAHAHAHA!!!!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: dillanharp on April 25, 2014, 10:16:35 AM
Isn't each Ace Hardware independently owned? Support your local Ace.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: duffmanshredder on April 25, 2014, 10:21:48 AM
Oh how the mighty have Feller.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Aidan Clarke on April 25, 2014, 10:26:30 AM
Not renewing contracts with skateboarders who are not relevant anymore and who don't help you sell the product you are endorsing them to sell is not "fucking someone over" it's called "good business practices". Being a pro skateboarder is a job kids, if you aren't cutting it at your job you get fired, especially these days when companies are hurting and new kids are coming up. Sinclair cut his own homie Dan Murphy who in my opinion should've never been put on Foundation in the first place as he never helped the brand, so I doubt it was anything personal. Business is business, if you don't like it skate for fun and don't expect anything out of it and you'll be fine. Foundation had it's time back in the 'Art Bars' days and Sinclair wouldn't be doing his job if he wasnt constantly trying to get it back to where it once was, I'm not even saying that's possible but he's obviously trying...

Richie is sticking up for his boy, nothing wrong with that either I would probably do the same in his position. However he's lying to himself if he thinks Sierra was doing anything to help Foundation anymore by being a paid professional skateboarder. Truth hurts sometimes, I wish all parties the best. I hope Sierra still enjoys skateboarding and perhaps finds a new sponsor that better suits him and I hope Foundation can one day get back to where it once was, let me tell you they've got a lot more to do than cutting Sierra and Murphy though...

I dont see another board company picking up sierra fellers, not a company worth a damn anyway.

Stereo ?

More like some Christian theme board company with Brian sumner and josh kasper
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Seamus_McShamebag on April 25, 2014, 10:32:08 AM
Quote from: Irrelevant  link=topic=77646.msg2132278#msg2132278 date=1398443368
Sierra later little feller


(http://i.imgur.com/XkG87U6.jpg)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Chris Hansen is back on April 25, 2014, 10:42:46 AM
Holy shit.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Aatila on April 25, 2014, 10:50:27 AM
why dont more "pros" take marketing into their own hands?..

That is what I am saying. They can find some photographers that would shoot for cheap. Hell, even I would shoot some photos for free just for the practice. If the photo, footage or whatever was rad, I am sure their companies would put it up.

This. All of this. But it's always someone else's fault...it's always easier to blame everyone but who is in the mirror. No one really wants to put in the work. There are so many ways for pros and companies to make it happen on a grass roots level and create for themselves. The technology, social media and access to more resources are leveling the playing field. But nah...get your name on a board and pile out. But hey, when a pro fails or gets the boot it's always the big bad company's fault. Fuck off.

Fuck off to these "pros". Boo fucking hoo you lost your job because you couldn't maintain and couldn't figure out how to sustain. A bullshit song and dance and some of the lemmings in this thread that eat it up. Pick up a newspaper, millions of Americans are losing their jobs daily. You aren't special because you flip a skateboard.

bingo! i totally agree with this.  its up to the skateboarder to take things into his own hands when it comes to marketing himself when you feel things aren't going right.  fools bitch and complain about having control but don't realize it comes with work.  Manny santiago is a prime example of taking things into your own hands.  I'm sure some of the brands didn't care to promote him but once he worked hard for his following of kids brands took notice.  I don't think I've really seen sierra really go hard in marketing himself well.  Yeah he's a amazing skateboarder and great guy but you hear nothing from that dude i forgot he was on foundation for a bit.  i had to +1 you forsure
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Tracer on April 25, 2014, 11:10:18 AM
Ritchies plan worked to perfection. 6 page thread about him and his best friend Sierra Fellers, say what you want about Ritchie but he knows to how to work the industry.

Sierrra just got dropped and somehow he's relevent again, in part thanks to RJ's tweets
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: stevedave on April 25, 2014, 11:44:00 AM
while you may think Manny is smart for marketing himself, it can become detrimental.  Manny OVER-promotes himself.  And his self-promotion may have given him a lot kids "following" him, it certainly hasn't gotten him any legit sponsors.  he has no shoe sponsor, rides for Ammo, Tensor, is no longer on Famous, and presents himself like he's the poor man's P-Rod.  His self-promotion really hasn't dont shit for him.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: doublesteveburger on April 25, 2014, 11:45:20 AM
sierra will land himself on ramshackle and there will probably be two page thread about it.


Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Aidan Clarke on April 25, 2014, 12:02:27 PM
while you may think Manny is smart for marketing himself, it can become detrimental.  Manny OVER-promotes himself.  And his self-promotion may have given him a lot kids "following" him, it certainly hasn't gotten him any legit sponsors.  he has no shoe sponsor, rides for Ammo, Tensor, is no longer on Famous, and presents himself like he's the poor man's P-Rod.  His self-promotion really hasn't dont shit for him.

You have to give it to him though, he wouldn't have made it as far as he has without Spanish mike tv and the rest of his friends pushing him independently. His generic poor man's p rod/ rodrigo tx style alone wouldn't have gotten him where he is now.

Alex Olson is another one. His company is basically tumblr/ instagram skateboards, Idk if people would embrace him as much if he wasn't answering fans questions on social media and being easily accessible. Gino should take note.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fongstarr. on April 25, 2014, 12:03:59 PM
while you may think Manny is smart for marketing himself, it can become detrimental.� Manny OVER-promotes himself.� And his self-promotion may have given him a lot kids "following" him, it certainly hasn't gotten him any legit sponsors.� he has no shoe sponsor, rides for Ammo, Tensor, is no longer on Famous, and presents himself like he's the poor man's P-Rod.� His self-promotion really hasn't dont shit for him.

Honestly considering, I think he's got a decent amount of sponsors for a skater like himself. I mean Manny is good, but I'd be surprised if any of the legit sponsors would want him on their team. At least he's got Rockstar money.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fenzadill on April 25, 2014, 12:13:50 PM
Richie if you don't change your username and avatar photo to Cyrus Manly, you're the faggot.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: stevedave on April 25, 2014, 12:14:15 PM
while you may think Manny is smart for marketing himself, it can become detrimental.� Manny OVER-promotes himself.� And his self-promotion may have given him a lot kids "following" him, it certainly hasn't gotten him any legit sponsors.� he has no shoe sponsor, rides for Ammo, Tensor, is no longer on Famous, and presents himself like he's the poor man's P-Rod.� His self-promotion really hasn't dont shit for him.

Honestly considering, I think he's got a decent amount of sponsors for a skater like himself. I mean Manny is good, but I'd be surprised if any of the legit sponsors would want him on their team. At least he's got Rockstar money.

yeah, but look at him compared to anyone else in those big contests he skates in.  he's got garbage sponsors compared to everyone else and will NEVER be what any of those other SL'ers will be and it's all he WANTS to be.  and I think companies stay away from him because he does TOO MUCH self promotion.  you ever see an ammo ad with manny?  you ever see anything from Flat Fitty or whatever that stupid hat co is?  you ever see any shoe companies promoting him?  it's like the Law of Diminishing Returns.  The more you keep putting into something, the less you are going to get out of it.  
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Aatila on April 25, 2014, 12:30:06 PM
while you may think Manny is smart for marketing himself, it can become detrimental.� Manny OVER-promotes himself.� And his self-promotion may have given him a lot kids "following" him, it certainly hasn't gotten him any legit sponsors.� he has no shoe sponsor, rides for Ammo, Tensor, is no longer on Famous, and presents himself like he's the poor man's P-Rod.� His self-promotion really hasn't dont shit for him.

Honestly considering, I think he's got a decent amount of sponsors for a skater like himself. I mean Manny is good, but I'd be surprised if any of the legit sponsors would want him on their team. At least he's got Rockstar money.

yeah, but look at him compared to anyone else in those big contests he skates in.  he's got garbage sponsors compared to everyone else and will NEVER be what any of those other SL'ers will be and it's all he WANTS to be.  and I think companies stay away from him because he does TOO MUCH self promotion.  you ever see an ammo ad with manny?  you ever see anything from Flat Fitty or whatever that stupid hat co is?  you ever see any shoe companies promoting him?  it's like the Law of Diminishing Returns.  The more you keep putting into something, the less you are going to get out of it.  

i know his over promotion is irritating too but i don't think at all he's struggling and that over promotion helped i don't think its detrimental.  Yeah he's not on famous but he's on ecko so the money is still there not to mention I'm sure he's getting good checks from rockstar, tensor for sure is giving out checks to him otherwise he would've of kept riding ventures or something. (a sales rep buddy told me they're getting paid when i was at the skate shop) royalties off of diamond/grizzly grip products of his branding that sell is a beautiful thing for him I'm sure along with those other random sponsors like flat fifty, ion etc.  Just think if he didn't over promote and line himself up with high caliber dudes would any of these people come knocking at his door? he always been either on shitty sponsors or in between(flow) with good ones so he's smart with taking what he can get.  Yeah he aint top tier per say like a nike or dc dude but he's doing better than the shortys or think days money wise.

side note:his style might be weird but i still think this is cool....
(http://www.chinaskateboards.cn/uploadfile/2014/0320/20140320124807618.jpg)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Aidan Clarke on April 25, 2014, 12:33:39 PM
while you may think Manny is smart for marketing himself, it can become detrimental.� Manny OVER-promotes himself.� And his self-promotion may have given him a lot kids "following" him, it certainly hasn't gotten him any legit sponsors.� he has no shoe sponsor, rides for Ammo, Tensor, is no longer on Famous, and presents himself like he's the poor man's P-Rod.� His self-promotion really hasn't dont shit for him.

Honestly considering, I think he's got a decent amount of sponsors for a skater like himself. I mean Manny is good, but I'd be surprised if any of the legit sponsors would want him on their team. At least he's got Rockstar money.

yeah, but look at him compared to anyone else in those big contests he skates in.  he's got garbage sponsors compared to everyone else and will NEVER be what any of those other SL'ers will be and it's all he WANTS to be.  and I think companies stay away from him because he does TOO MUCH self promotion.  you ever see an ammo ad with manny?  you ever see anything from Flat Fitty or whatever that stupid hat co is?  you ever see any shoe companies promoting him?  it's like the Law of Diminishing Returns.  The more you keep putting into something, the less you are going to get out of it.  

It isn't because of the self promotion itself.

It's because he is not marketable, bland style with a generic contest trick selection with zero personality.off the board means he isn't moving units with his name off it. If he changed all of that, and then plugged himself into his self promotion machine, he'd be beast. He better go broadside some water ledges and pick up a dope habit or something. Maybe skate a slide and give interviews about how he wouldn't like your company anyway...
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Oprah Winfrey on April 25, 2014, 01:56:42 PM
while you may think Manny is smart for marketing himself, it can become detrimental.� Manny OVER-promotes himself.� And his self-promotion may have given him a lot kids "following" him, it certainly hasn't gotten him any legit sponsors.� he has no shoe sponsor, rides for Ammo, Tensor, is no longer on Famous, and presents himself like he's the poor man's P-Rod.� His self-promotion really hasn't dont shit for him.

Honestly considering, I think he's got a decent amount of sponsors for a skater like himself. I mean Manny is good, but I'd be surprised if any of the legit sponsors would want him on their team. At least he's got Rockstar money.

yeah, but look at him compared to anyone else in those big contests he skates in.  he's got garbage sponsors compared to everyone else and will NEVER be what any of those other SL'ers will be and it's all he WANTS to be.  and I think companies stay away from him because he does TOO MUCH self promotion.  you ever see an ammo ad with manny?  you ever see anything from Flat Fitty or whatever that stupid hat co is?  you ever see any shoe companies promoting him?  it's like the Law of Diminishing Returns.  The more you keep putting into something, the less you are going to get out of it.  

i know his over promotion is irritating too but i don't think at all he's struggling and that over promotion helped i don't think its detrimental.  Yeah he's not on famous but he's on ecko so the money is still there not to mention I'm sure he's getting good checks from rockstar, tensor for sure is giving out checks to him otherwise he would've of kept riding ventures or something. (a sales rep buddy told me they're getting paid when i was at the skate shop) royalties off of diamond/grizzly grip products of his branding that sell is a beautiful thing for him I'm sure along with those other random sponsors like flat fifty, ion etc.  Just think if he didn't over promote and line himself up with high caliber dudes would any of these people come knocking at his door? he always been either on shitty sponsors or in between(flow) with good ones so he's smart with taking what he can get.  Yeah he aint top tier per say like a nike or dc dude but he's doing better than the shortys or think days money wise.

side note:his style might be weird but i still think this is cool....
(http://www.chinaskateboards.cn/uploadfile/2014/0320/20140320124807618.jpg)

his style evokes the perfect blend of retard butt and midget..
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ThugWaffle on April 25, 2014, 03:40:43 PM
while you may think Manny is smart for marketing himself, it can become detrimental.� Manny OVER-promotes himself.� And his self-promotion may have given him a lot kids "following" him, it certainly hasn't gotten him any legit sponsors.� he has no shoe sponsor, rides for Ammo, Tensor, is no longer on Famous, and presents himself like he's the poor man's P-Rod.� His self-promotion really hasn't dont shit for him.

Honestly considering, I think he's got a decent amount of sponsors for a skater like himself. I mean Manny is good, but I'd be surprised if any of the legit sponsors would want him on their team. At least he's got Rockstar money.

yeah, but look at him compared to anyone else in those big contests he skates in.  he's got garbage sponsors compared to everyone else and will NEVER be what any of those other SL'ers will be and it's all he WANTS to be.  and I think companies stay away from him because he does TOO MUCH self promotion.  you ever see an ammo ad with manny?  you ever see anything from Flat Fitty or whatever that stupid hat co is?  you ever see any shoe companies promoting him?  it's like the Law of Diminishing Returns.  The more you keep putting into something, the less you are going to get out of it.  

i know his over promotion is irritating too but i don't think at all he's struggling and that over promotion helped i don't think its detrimental.  Yeah he's not on famous but he's on ecko so the money is still there not to mention I'm sure he's getting good checks from rockstar, tensor for sure is giving out checks to him otherwise he would've of kept riding ventures or something. (a sales rep buddy told me they're getting paid when i was at the skate shop) royalties off of diamond/grizzly grip products of his branding that sell is a beautiful thing for him I'm sure along with those other random sponsors like flat fifty, ion etc.  Just think if he didn't over promote and line himself up with high caliber dudes would any of these people come knocking at his door? he always been either on shitty sponsors or in between(flow) with good ones so he's smart with taking what he can get.  Yeah he aint top tier per say like a nike or dc dude but he's doing better than the shortys or think days money wise.

side note:his style might be weird but i still think this is cool....
(http://www.chinaskateboards.cn/uploadfile/2014/0320/20140320124807618.jpg)

his style evokes the perfect blend of retard butt and midget..

I can't stand that MSA bullshit he forces on everything. Why would you give yourself a nickname and refer to yourself in third person. Also that shit he does sometimes where he posts himself wearing SB's and asking his fans if he should be on Nike will never get him on Nike. He should get on Airspeed or NSS. That was harsh but it's the truth.
                                                                                                                     - sb
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on April 25, 2014, 03:53:35 PM
Didn't somebody from foundation kick off Matt Allen and call him "Fat Allen" and shit? I always found him boring as shit, but still, you guys are the ones who picked him up, if it didn't work out, at least be respectable. To whoever said "business is business" is kind of right, because people who run solid businesses don't kick people while they are down, and if they have to fire somebody, try to do it in the most tactful way possible.

And the reason foundation doesn't have any real stars is because they have a long tradition of finding rippers who leave for a different company once they have the opportunity to. I can't claim to know why it happens, but it regularly does- from Ronnie Creager to Leo Romero, foundation can not seem to be able to keep people around. It doesn't seem like a great company to work for.

Also, the foundation team hasn't really had anybody worth noticing for a while. They were amazing in the 90's. Maybe they should call the team manager a loser and tell him to get a real job...

Anyway, can we get back to Sierra mist puns and pictures of Ned Flanders portraying richie jackson?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shark tits on April 25, 2014, 04:05:19 PM
foundations' image has changed from when they were cool [josh beagle/heath and them] to when they were almost cool [ethan fowler then corey duffel] to whatever they are today but their attitude to people they kick off is refreshingly the same. didn't they kick dan dribble off via ad? then they replaced tony desilva w/ tony silva. swank seems like an asshole but a funny asshole and to me that counts for something.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: DannyDee on April 25, 2014, 04:53:35 PM
Manny's self promotion while not getting him legit sponsors, but has gotten him money. He has Rockstar which i'm sure pay him more than well and he's now in street league which can make you at a minimum 10 to 20k a year.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: NickDagger on April 25, 2014, 06:08:50 PM
Can someone explain to me the difference between a Sierra Fellers and a Josiah Gatlyn?

I don't remember this part, but apparently it came out just last year:

Sierra Fellers: WIld Power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNEBXk1mk4#)

Always loved Murphy too.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: clemsausage on April 25, 2014, 07:36:32 PM
Not renewing contracts with skateboarders who are not relevant anymore and who don't help you sell the product you are endorsing them to sell is not "fucking someone over" it's called "good business practices". Being a pro skateboarder is a job kids, if you aren't cutting it at your job you get fired, especially these days when companies are hurting and new kids are coming up. Sinclair cut his own homie Dan Murphy who in my opinion should've never been put on Foundation in the first place as he never helped the brand, so I doubt it was anything personal. Business is business, if you don't like it skate for fun and don't expect anything out of it and you'll be fine. Foundation had it's time back in the 'Art Bars' days and Sinclair wouldn't be doing his job if he wasnt constantly trying to get it back to where it once was, I'm not even saying that's possible but he's obviously trying...

Richie is sticking up for his boy, nothing wrong with that either I would probably do the same in his position. However he's lying to himself if he thinks Sierra was doing anything to help Foundation anymore by being a paid professional skateboarder. Truth hurts sometimes, I wish all parties the best. I hope Sierra still enjoys skateboarding and perhaps finds a new sponsor that better suits him and I hope Foundation can one day get back to where it once was, let me tell you they've got a lot more to do than cutting Sierra and Murphy though...

All of this makes complete sense: BUT: Sinclair posted that photo in an effort to attack these dudes personally, not explain his business endeavors. If you're going to kick people off to better the company, so be it, but this was a passive aggressive way to give a public 'fuck you' to dudes he had on the team.

So what do you interpret this as: http://instagram.com/p/nB9bDpnGBl/ (http://instagram.com/p/nB9bDpnGBl/)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ill_Murray on April 25, 2014, 07:49:46 PM

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So what do you interpret this as: http://instagram.com/p/nB9bDpnGBl/ (http://instagram.com/p/nB9bDpnGBl/)
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Talk about posting a fit.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Kanye Omari West on April 25, 2014, 07:51:03 PM
Can someone explain to me the difference between a Sierra Fellers and a Josiah Gatlyn?

I don't remember this part, but apparently it came out just last year:

Sierra Fellers: WIld Power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNEBXk1mk4#)

Always loved Murphy too.

Big ass difference in their skating but image wise they're about the same. This part was sick though. Nollie heel fs noselide whirly bird out was dopeeee.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: TFUCKINA on April 25, 2014, 08:34:20 PM
Can someone explain to me the difference between a Sierra Fellers and a Josiah Gatlyn?

I don't remember this part, but apparently it came out just last year:

Sierra Fellers: WIld Power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNEBXk1mk4#)

Always loved Murphy too.

The difference is that josiah gatlyn is enjoyable to watch skate.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: LEIFKENNEDY808 on April 25, 2014, 08:59:14 PM
Omg Jason parks

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ill_Murray on April 25, 2014, 10:07:38 PM
Fuck anyone who mistreats Omar!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Noble Experiment on April 25, 2014, 10:09:26 PM
Followed foundation all the way up til That's Life and Cataclysmic Abyss. After that I slowly forgot that they were still around.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Tracer on April 25, 2014, 10:15:34 PM
If you're going to talk shit, do it face to face. These twitter arguments make no sense except for attention whoring (im sure the kids love it)

Over 15K you can afford to fly someone out and fight them. Sick of this childish emo bickering on twitter. YOU'RE AN ADULT START ACTING LIKE ONE
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Stanley Spadowski on April 25, 2014, 10:25:41 PM
Followed foundation all the way up til That's Life and Cataclysmic Abyss. After that I slowly forgot that they were still around.
Haha! I read this and thought the same thing.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Theme For A Jackal on April 25, 2014, 10:27:57 PM
Was Fellers ever on Mystery? If not I could totally see him there, but part of me wants to say he used to ride for them.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: cuntzilla on April 25, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
Was Fellers ever on Mystery? If not I could totally see him there, but part of me wants to say he used to ride for them.
you are correct.
(http://skately.com/img/library/print/medium/mystery-skateboards-sierra-fellers-2005.jpg)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: greenmilktea on April 25, 2014, 11:13:46 PM
the mystery section of new blood was the best thing mystery ever did
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: tangar on April 26, 2014, 01:51:12 AM
still dont know why ace fucking hardware selling boards hasn't been discussed more. does that make sense to the people at ace hardware even? regardless i think yum-yeto should scrap everything but toy machine and pig rails.


I'm willing to bet it was an ACE hardware that went out of business and the skateshop that took over just kept the signs.  
i cant believe it took 4 fucking pages for someone to even consider this, damn some of you fools are idiots (the people who kept asking "why is ACE selling boards?" "nobody is talking about ACE selling skateboards?") and yes i just made it that clear because you are dumb. also, i always thought sierra fellers style sucked, i think he had a good heelflip but cant remember cause i always avoided his footage. who gives a shit. chad fernandez.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Nydoggular on April 26, 2014, 03:04:03 AM
Can someone explain to me the difference between a Sierra Fellers and a Josiah Gatlyn?

I don't remember this part, but apparently it came out just last year:

Sierra Fellers: WIld Power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNEBXk1mk4#)

Always loved Murphy too.

The difference is that josiah gatlyn is enjoyable to watch skate.

Wow that is false.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: TFUCKINA on April 26, 2014, 04:47:28 AM
Can someone explain to me the difference between a Sierra Fellers and a Josiah Gatlyn?

I don't remember this part, but apparently it came out just last year:

Sierra Fellers: WIld Power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNEBXk1mk4#)

Always loved Murphy too.

The difference is that josiah gatlyn is enjoyable to watch skate.

Wow that is false.

Prefer his footage over sierra fellers, one of the most boring pros, up their with malto.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fenzadill on April 26, 2014, 07:25:04 AM
If you're going to talk shit, do it face to face. These twitter arguments make no sense except for attention whoring (im sure the kids love it)

Over 15K you can afford to fly someone out and fight them. Sick of this childish emo bickering on twitter. YOU'RE AN ADULT START ACTING LIKE ONE

This is what adults do.  Tracer is an adult and this is what he does.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: railchomper420 on April 26, 2014, 10:08:53 AM
way more stoked on sinclair and richie now, obvioulsly real people and they shared some light in/on our culture

i back um  ;D


Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on April 26, 2014, 10:13:53 AM
still dont know why ace fucking hardware selling boards hasn't been discussed more. does that make sense to the people at ace hardware even? regardless i think yum-yeto should scrap everything but toy machine and pig rails.


I'm willing to bet it was an ACE hardware that went out of business and the skateshop that took over just kept the signs. �
i cant believe it took 4 fucking pages for someone to even consider this, damn some of you fools are idiots (the people who kept asking "why is ACE selling boards?" "nobody is talking about ACE selling skateboards?") and yes i just made it that clear because you are dumb. also, i always thought sierra fellers style sucked, i think he had a good heelflip but cant remember cause i always avoided his footage. who gives a shit. chad fernandez.

You know why "it took 4 fucking pages for someone to even consider this"? BECAUSE NOBODY GIVES A SHIT. Why do you care you dork?

Followed foundation all the way up til That's Life and Cataclysmic Abyss. After that I slowly forgot that they were still around.
That's around when Sinclair took over right? Yeah, pretty much everybody stopped paying attention to foundation around then. While Sinclair kicks off dudes HE THOUGHT SHOULD RIDE FOR FOUNDATION IN THE FIRST PLACE, the real problem aren't the skaters, its CLEARLY the shittiest TM in skateboarding. The dude can't put a team together, keep a team together, or make anybody care about his shitty team, despite the fact that people used to before he took over.
He clearly has buddies inside of the industry, which is why he gets interviews and to do shit at Tampa Am, but if the people at foundation would just step away from their friendship with the loser, I'm sure they'd realize he is terrible at being a TM.
You know why you have to kick people off who don't sell product Sinclair? Because you don't pick people who will sell product in the first place, and the ones you DID pick up you don't know how to treat, so they ALWAYS leave. Then you treat them like shit in the end like it was their fault you put them on and treated them like garbage. Fucking pathetic.

Seriously foundation, get rid of that Sinclair creep, and bring yourselves back to the glory of the Tentacles of Destruction/Rolling Thunder era. You can do better than that.

And Sinclair, don't worry, I'll address you directly- Get a job you don't suck at you FUCKING LOSER.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: skate_bored on April 26, 2014, 02:45:09 PM
Followed foundation all the way up til That's Life and Cataclysmic Abyss. After that I slowly forgot that they were still around.
That's around when Sinclair took over right? Yeah, pretty much everybody stopped paying attention to foundation around then. While Sinclair kicks off dudes HE THOUGHT SHOULD RIDE FOR FOUNDATION IN THE FIRST PLACE, the real problem aren't the skaters, its CLEARLY the shittiest TM in skateboarding. The dude can't put a team together, keep a team together, or make anybody care about his shitty team, despite the fact that people used to before he took over.
He clearly has buddies inside of the industry, which is why he gets interviews and to do shit at Tampa Am, but if the people at foundation would just step away from their friendship with the loser, I'm sure they'd realize he is terrible at being a TM.
You know why you have to kick people off who don't sell product Sinclair? Because you don't pick people who will sell product in the first place, and the ones you DID pick up you don't know how to treat, so they ALWAYS leave. Then you treat them like shit in the end like it was their fault you put them on and treated them like garbage. Fucking pathetic.

Seriously foundation, get rid of that Sinclair creep, and bring yourselves back to the glory of the Tentacles of Destruction/Rolling Thunder era. You can do better than that.

And Sinclair, don't worry, I'll address you directly- Get a job you don't suck at you FUCKING LOSER.

i was hyped to get to the end of the thread so i could reply to it in general, and then you had to add more to it...lol.

are you joking though? foundation is a sinking ship. sinclair spends TONS of time trying to recruit kids to flow boards to and find "that guy" to rebuild the team. they dont have shit for money, so instead of going out of business they get rid of the guys that dont sell shit. this makes perfect sense! they can barely afford to tour so they drive around in his van and stay at flow kids parents house if they have to! of all the TMs ive met he has been by far one of the hardest working. hes out there doing his job man. not to mention nobody else would put up with nick merlino.

the most annoying thing about this thread is that it seems like people feel that these guys are so entitled. a pro skateboarder sells the product. if nobody gives a fuck about you (no matter how good you are) then nobody will buy your stuff and you arent cut out to be a pro skater. boo fucking hoo. those guys can go enter contests and do it that way if they wanna make money off skating, but just because you put out a few good video parts does not mean you "deserve" to ride for a company. i honestly cant tell if half this thread is trolling because of the lack of understanding of things like: job, business, company, profit, salary, payroll, budget.

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: yukaton on April 26, 2014, 03:56:22 PM
These guys get paid to ride skateboards... and if they are really lucky don't have to get another job for a little while. Your an idiot for thinking it lasts forever or don't need to plan for what comes after. Its amazing how much people get caught up in this and how it comes as a shock when people get let go.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: FancyHerling on April 26, 2014, 06:39:19 PM
No one has acknowledged he's off Circa too, unless I've missed it.  Someone brought up the point that if he can't market himself in this day and age, it's his own problem.  Look at someone like Manny Santiago.  In my opinion, he has the worst sponsors and I still see his skating or whatever all over the place.  Not everyone rides for companies like Nike who can pump so much money into pushing a rider.  Get out there and make it happen or get a more stable job.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: cuntzilla on April 26, 2014, 07:08:22 PM
No one has acknowledged he's off Circa too, unless I've missed it.  Someone brought up the point that if he can't market himself in this day and age, it's his own problem.  Look at someone like Manny Santiago.  In my opinion, he has the worst sponsors and I still see his skating or whatever all over the place.  Not everyone rides for companies like Nike who can pump so much money into pushing a rider.  Get out there and make it happen or get a more stable job.
Yeah I completely agree. Im sure if he put in the effort then he probably would still be pro. Dane Burman for an example, paid himself to go on Fallen and Zero trips so he could stack coverage, and thats going pretty hardcore. Surely it isn't that hard to find a filmer and a photographer in cali (I'm assuming he's living there like 90% of the skate industry)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Cactus Cooler on April 26, 2014, 09:30:27 PM
taylor, dakota and ryan spencer are actually 3 kids who people give a shit about...and i dont mean the guys on this message board who are referencing 7-10+ year old videos is the last time they watched anything foundation.

he's got another group of kids that are on their way in reese, joey...and move tre over!
with some art direction tweaks, foundation could easily be everyone's underdog brand with a new vibe of 7-8 guys all pushing themselves at the same time.

he may be harsh, but he does a damn fine job of finding the right kids and giving them opportunity. its up to them how hard they want to work to keep up the job title of professional skateboarder.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Suit Up! on April 27, 2014, 12:36:07 AM
The Gipper. Killing as always.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ill_Murray on April 27, 2014, 08:28:46 AM
still dont know why ace fucking hardware selling boards hasn't been discussed more. does that make sense to the people at ace hardware even? regardless i think yum-yeto should scrap everything but toy machine and pig rails.


I'm willing to bet it was an ACE hardware that went out of business and the skateshop that took over just kept the signs. �
i cant believe it took 4 fucking pages for someone to even consider this, damn some of you fools are idiots (the people who kept asking "why is ACE selling boards?" "nobody is talking about ACE selling skateboards?") and yes i just made it that clear because you are dumb. also, i always thought sierra fellers style sucked, i think he had a good heelflip but cant remember cause i always avoided his footage. who gives a shit. chad fernandez.

You know why "it took 4 fucking pages for someone to even consider this"? BECAUSE NOBODY GIVES A SHIT. Why do you care you dork?

I would say the 4-7 posts that directly ask what an Ace Hardware is doing selling decks is a pretty clear sign that people give a shit.  Sure it's not AIDS research or equal rights type of give a shit but doesn't seem necessary to just straight dismiss it.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: grimcity on April 27, 2014, 09:04:00 AM
Somewhat tangential:

Every time I see a Foundation graphic I'm reminded of the company Small Room from way back in the day. Are they related? If memory serves they had a look that was across between Foundation and Blockhead but my brain is old and often times not working properly.

Also, I'm not so much into the inner-industry beef shit, but Richie had a little comedy thing going on and I thought it was hilarious. He really seems to be a bit more intelligent to resort to shit talk.

Last: during the old blank/shop board drama, Swank wanted to talk, so we did... he really came across as a dick.

Regardless, I love Ed and tend to consider Toy Machine 100% of Tum Yeto.

Last last thing, love you Gip!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Gil on April 27, 2014, 09:15:55 AM
the mystery section of new blood was the best thing mystery ever did
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Joust Ostrich on April 27, 2014, 10:30:46 AM
Somewhat tangential:

Every time I see a Foundation graphic I'm reminded of the company Small Room from way back in the day. Are they related? If memory serves they had a look that was across between Foundation and Blockhead but my brain is old and often times not working properly.

Also, I'm not so much into the inner-industry beef shit, but Richie had a little comedy thing going on and I thought it was hilarious. He really seems to be a bit more intelligent to resort to shit talk.

Last: during the old blank/shop board drama, Swank wanted to talk, so we did... he really came across as a dick.

Regardless, I love Ed and tend to consider Toy Machine 100% of Tum Yeto.

Last last thing, love you Gip!
Hi Grim.

I don't think they were related.  I think Swank went straight from skull skates to doing Foundation.  Small Room was awesome.  To date, I've still had more Small Room boards than Foundations boards, and I don't see that stat ever changing.
I think I still have this t shirt.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-RzDbXOvLDn8/T77wXFU9eRI/AAAAAAAATJQ/A-I2qPbX8Ow/s1600/igot
swankedchrome.jpg)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Fenzadill on April 27, 2014, 11:01:54 AM
Todd Swank's Soul Patch is a good band name.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: doomstation55 on April 27, 2014, 11:11:42 AM
Remember that one KOTR where Daniel Haney was the mystery guest for foundation and wore a shirt that said "Todd Swank is a butt monkey"?


That was funny.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: oyolar on April 27, 2014, 11:37:13 AM
the mystery section of new blood was the best thing mystery ever did

They also release parts for Durrant and Eldridge and those were cool too.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: L33Tg33k on April 27, 2014, 11:39:06 AM
Can someone explain to me the difference between a Sierra Fellers and a Josiah Gatlyn?

I don't remember this part, but apparently it came out just last year:

Sierra Fellers: WIld Power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNEBXk1mk4#)

Always loved Murphy too.

The difference is that josiah gatlyn is enjoyable to watch skate.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Sierra haters are idiots.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: nino brown on April 27, 2014, 03:40:31 PM
Can someone explain to me the difference between a Sierra Fellers and a Josiah Gatlyn?

I don't remember this part, but apparently it came out just last year:

Sierra Fellers: WIld Power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNEBXk1mk4#)

Always loved Murphy too.

The difference is that josiah gatlyn is enjoyable to watch skate.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Sierra haters are idiots.
you said that like sierra hasnt always been boring as fuck
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Rumpleforeskin on April 27, 2014, 04:00:55 PM
The real issue is Tod Swank's soul-patch.
The Tuxedo - Soul Patch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9q2QSKPH3o#)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Tay on April 27, 2014, 04:16:22 PM
the mystery section of new blood was the best thing mystery ever did

Yes! Moby In This World. Great song great skating. God does that bring me back, it's almost been a decade! :)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: greenmilktea on April 27, 2014, 04:49:00 PM
the mystery section of new blood was the best thing mystery ever did

Yes! Moby In This World. Great song great skating. God does that bring me back, it's almost been a decade! :)

i'm sayin tho, ryan smith's frontside flip up the curb, switch frontside flip down that stair set, such a good line

used to watch that video everyday summer of 2005
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: natenola forever on April 27, 2014, 08:24:21 PM
Mike Sinclair had the worst part in recycled rubbish, i always remebered fast forwarding that one.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: L33Tg33k on April 27, 2014, 09:16:00 PM
Can someone explain to me the difference between a Sierra Fellers and a Josiah Gatlyn?

I don't remember this part, but apparently it came out just last year:

Sierra Fellers: WIld Power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNEBXk1mk4#)

Always loved Murphy too.

The difference is that josiah gatlyn is enjoyable to watch skate.
I've said it before and I'll say it again; Sierra haters are idiots.
you said that like sierra hasnt always been boring as fuck
No, I say that like he does appreciably difficult stunts on his board while looking different than other skaters and yet he does not get credit for it. That Wild Power part is case in point.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Jack Hoffe on April 27, 2014, 10:13:39 PM
ACE HARDWARE stores are Independently owned and are not required to pay franchise fees like every other company out there, could even be a former pro skater working there! 


come by ACE, where the owner and workers are your neighbors!


ACE IS THE PLACE !

(free grip if you mention SLAP PALS at any SoCal ACE ..house grip not that fancy shit)


(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0jhepSLiD1qbhetko1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: GeorgeHanson on April 27, 2014, 11:21:00 PM
I heard Mike Sinclair and some of the Tum Yeto boys are getting a crew together to "sort out that Richie Jackson nigga."
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Owen on April 28, 2014, 05:40:45 AM
Anyone else think it was funny that Sierra, a seemingly wacky Christian, used Benny and the Jets by Elton John in his Wild Power part? Regardless, dude is a sick skater, however, if you're not selling product, what are you being paid for?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: augustmoon on April 28, 2014, 07:32:40 AM
why, because Elton John is gay he's supposed to have some existential crisis with his music or something?

I skated with Sierra a bit when he was a little kid in Pensacola, and he's always been a stand up guy with a good head on his shoulders.  Even as a little kid he had a pretty mature view of religion, and while confident in his own views, never pushed it on anyone else. 
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: king_in_the_north on April 28, 2014, 07:49:27 AM
someone should incorporate that butthole gif into an abdias photoshop
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ziggy on April 28, 2014, 08:19:40 AM
Most of you cretins would put Ethan and Rusczyk back on tomorrow if you ran Foundation, so your opinions are invalid.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: beazlocal on April 28, 2014, 09:27:36 AM
pretty simple concept, if you're shit doesn't sell, you're no longer needed.

Says nothing about his talent level, plain and simple, nobody gives a shit.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: LOU.502 on April 28, 2014, 10:31:10 AM
He should just try to get back on mystery it's not like the team is super stacked right now anyways.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: the_unknown_soldier on April 28, 2014, 11:02:32 AM
Anyone else think it was funny that Sierra, a seemingly wacky Christian, used Benny and the Jets by Elton John in his Wild Power part? Regardless, dude is a sick skater, however, if you're not selling product, what are you being paid for?


What do you base this off of?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: happenstance on April 28, 2014, 11:09:56 AM
Anyone else think it was funny that Sierra, a seemingly wacky Christian, used Benny and the Jets by Elton John in his Wild Power part? Regardless, dude is a sick skater, however, if you're not selling product, what are you being paid for?


What do you base this off of?
Pretty sure he talked about people being possessed by demons in one interview. I am guessing that is the tip of the iceberg.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ill_Murray on April 28, 2014, 11:13:19 AM
Most of you cretins would put Ethan and Rusczyk back on tomorrow if you ran Foundation, so your opinions are invalid.

Fuck you.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Jared on April 28, 2014, 11:50:37 AM
Anyone else think it was funny that Sierra, a seemingly wacky Christian, used Benny and the Jets by Elton John in his Wild Power part? Regardless, dude is a sick skater, however, if you're not selling product, what are you being paid for?


What do you base this off of?
Pretty sure he talked about people being possessed by demons in one interview. I am guessing that is the tip of the iceberg.
No. Pretty sure it was to the effect of "yeah I'm a christian but that doesn't have anything to do with my skating".
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ChrisSennsGirlfriend on April 28, 2014, 12:37:46 PM
pretty simple concept,

, nobody gives a shit.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: railchomper420 on April 28, 2014, 12:46:54 PM
for everyone talking shit on sinclair, the Dekline team and brand has come sooo far in the past few years and has one of the sickest teams right now!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: GeorgeHanson on April 28, 2014, 01:17:28 PM
Anyone else think it was funny that Sierra, a seemingly wacky Christian, used Benny and the Jets by Elton John in his Wild Power part? Regardless, dude is a sick skater, however, if you're not selling product, what are you being paid for?


What do you base this off of?

Have you read the bible? That shit is wacky. Burning bushes talking to people. People coming back from life after death. And then there is this whole ridiculous notion of heaven and hell.

Also he said at age 7 he would give himself to jesus. I know most pro skaters don't progress past the mental age of 7 but choosing your belief system at the ag of 7 seems pretty wacky.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Ronald Wilson Reagan on April 28, 2014, 06:06:23 PM
pretty simple concept, if you're shit doesn't sell, you're no longer needed.


We are past this. We've already gone over it- its not about the fact that they kick people off, its about the fact that they treat people like shit when they do it.

Also, to whoever was saying Sinclair is doing the best he can with a limited budget- its not like foundation is the smallest company out there, or the only small company. Companies like Magenta and Polar are killing it right now, and I guarantee they have a smaller budget.

The fact is, Sinclair is a shitty TM who can't build a team that develops interest, no matter what their budget is. He bases his decisions off of old paradigms that nobody gives a shit about anymore. You got guys that are good at skating nothing but Socal gaps and rails? Wow, that will impress a lot of people if you went back about a decade in a time machine. The whole "rail/gap guy" thing is dead, unless you are the cream of the cream of the crop doing that, nobody gives a shit. Teams that do well understand how to evolve with the times. Sinclair doesn't understand any of that, and keeps putting on talented but dull team members who do nothing for foundation's popularity, then he kicks them off and gives them shit as if when he put them on he should have expected that he had the next Cory Kennedy or something, when he never has, and never does. Its like the dude thinks the '90's never ended. Terrible and shitty TM, and terrible and shitty human being.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: beazlocal on April 28, 2014, 06:14:31 PM
pretty simple concept, if you're shit doesn't sell, you're no longer needed.


We are past this. We've already gone over it- its not about the fact that they kick people off, its about the fact that they treat people like shit when they do it.

Also, to whoever was saying Sinclair is doing the best he can with a limited budget- its not like foundation is the smallest company out there, or the only small company. Companies like Magenta and Polar are killing it right now, and I guarantee they have a smaller budget.

The fact is, Sinclair is a shitty TM who can't build a team that develops interest, no matter what their budget is. He bases his decisions off of old paradigms that nobody gives a shit about anymore. You got guys that are good at skating nothing but Socal gaps and rails? Wow, that will impress a lot of people if you went back about a decade in a time machine. The whole "rail/gap guy" thing is dead, unless you are the cream of the cream of the crop doing that, nobody gives a shit. Teams that do well understand how to evolve with the times. Sinclair doesn't understand any of that, and keeps putting on talented but dull team members who do nothing for foundation's popularity, then he kicks them off and gives them shit as if when he put them on he should have expected that he had the next Cory Kennedy or something, when he never has, and never does. Its like the dude thinks the '90's never ended. Terrible and shitty TM, and terrible and shitty human being.

Boo fucking hoo, reality sucks some times, get used to it.


Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: conqueso on April 28, 2014, 06:23:26 PM
pretty simple concept, if you're shit doesn't sell, you're no longer needed.


We are past this. We've already gone over it- its not about the fact that they kick people off, its about the fact that they treat people like shit when they do it.

Also, to whoever was saying Sinclair is doing the best he can with a limited budget- its not like foundation is the smallest company out there, or the only small company. Companies like Magenta and Polar are killing it right now, and I guarantee they have a smaller budget.

The fact is, Sinclair is a shitty TM who can't build a team that develops interest, no matter what their budget is. He bases his decisions off of old paradigms that nobody gives a shit about anymore. You got guys that are good at skating nothing but Socal gaps and rails? Wow, that will impress a lot of people if you went back about a decade in a time machine. The whole "rail/gap guy" thing is dead, unless you are the cream of the cream of the crop doing that, nobody gives a shit. Teams that do well understand how to evolve with the times. Sinclair doesn't understand any of that, and keeps putting on talented but dull team members who do nothing for foundation's popularity, then he kicks them off and gives them shit as if when he put them on he should have expected that he had the next Cory Kennedy or something, when he never has, and never does. Its like the dude thinks the '90's never ended. Terrible and shitty TM, and terrible and shitty human being.

Actually sinclair knows the industry far better than you and gets paid for it
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Bobby Peru on April 28, 2014, 06:35:20 PM
Ryan Spencer is fucking amazing and well-rounded. I like Dakota too, though he's about as "rail guy" as it gets.

I know the answer is probably just "not getting enough returns" but is there more on Abdias getting the boot? Regarding Gipper's beef, Abdias was getting more well-rounded than ever over the last couple years with GX1000.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ziggy on April 28, 2014, 06:38:32 PM
So Magenta and Polar are 'killing it', but they both have a budget smaller than Foundation.

Okay
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shit_for_brains on April 28, 2014, 08:15:10 PM
Ryan Spencer is fucking amazing and well-rounded. I like Dakota too, though he's about as "rail guy" as it gets.

I know the answer is probably just "not getting enough returns" but is there more on Abdias getting the boot? Regarding Gipper's beef, Abdias was getting more well-rounded than ever over the last couple years with GX1000.

Abdias is in his late 20s. Lost cause.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: L33Tg33k on April 28, 2014, 08:31:21 PM
Gip is talking like he has personally known this man for decades. How much can a man really glean about someone else's personality and flaws through heresy about alleged business practices? I would say next to nothing.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: blankbutbranded on April 28, 2014, 09:26:12 PM
FUCK RICHIE JACKSON AND MIKE SINCLAIR.

BOTH POSERS.

Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: the_unknown_soldier on April 28, 2014, 10:57:43 PM
Anyone else think it was funny that Sierra, a seemingly wacky Christian, used Benny and the Jets by Elton John in his Wild Power part? Regardless, dude is a sick skater, however, if you're not selling product, what are you being paid for?


What do you base this off of?

Have you read the bible? That shit is wacky. Burning bushes talking to people. People coming back from life after death. And then there is this whole ridiculous notion of heaven and hell.

Also he said at age 7 he would give himself to jesus. I know most pro skaters don't progress past the mental age of 7 but choosing your belief system at the ag of 7 seems pretty wacky.



I think the only "wacky" thing here is that you're hung up on somebody's beliefs that you don't know which isn't even relevant to the subject matter. There are plenty of illogical things in the world, and if you think all 2.3 billion people in the world that adhere to Christianity are wacky then I pity that bubble you live in.


And no, I'm not religious. Far from it. I'm just not a bigot either.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: g.i.s.m. on April 28, 2014, 11:20:29 PM
NOTE TO SINCLAIR: i predict a rebirth of 2003 era this-is-skateboarding style slim-fit-boot-cut-clad rail skaters in the following couple of years. keep dakota for dear life make and him stop wearing a bucket hat u will need him when this time comes
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: GeorgeM on April 28, 2014, 11:23:38 PM
Other than Sinclair, I can't name another TM.  I don't like some of the things that he has said, but's he's a character,  Love 'em or hate him, he's good for a laugh, and any pub is good pub.

I have seen more inches dedicated to Merlino's laptop then I have about more talented pro's actual skating.  

Dakota clearly rips.

Duffel is a legend.

I enjoy Foundation, and I think they are a lot more popular than some peeps are giving them credit for.


Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: CumOnYourFace on April 29, 2014, 09:45:46 AM
Duffel is a legend.
???
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: GeorgeM on April 29, 2014, 10:43:55 AM
Duffel is a legend.
???

Ya. I probably should have thought that out a little more.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Kanye Omari West on April 29, 2014, 12:31:05 PM
Duffel is a legend icon.
???

Ya. I probably should have thought that out a little more.

He really has done some legendary tricks, I think his image speaks louder though and that's what makes him more of an icon than a legend.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: LOU.502 on April 29, 2014, 12:33:39 PM
Duffel is a legend icon.
???

Ya. I probably should have thought that out a little more.

He really has done some legendary tricks, I think his image speaks louder though and that's what makes him more of an icon than a legend.
That Ollie into the freeway ditch is still one of the gnarliest things ever done on a skateboard.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ThugWaffle on April 29, 2014, 01:27:07 PM
Back on...?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Joust Ostrich on April 29, 2014, 02:25:51 PM
I guess Sinclair saw that wallride.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Stoop Kid 2.0 on April 29, 2014, 02:57:41 PM
I guess Sinclair saw that wallride.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: paraquat on April 29, 2014, 03:06:47 PM
I'm gunna go out on a limb and say polar probably outsells foundation worldwide. Magenta might not, but I see polar all over the place.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Aatila on April 29, 2014, 06:03:05 PM
I'm gunna go out on a limb and say polar probably outsells foundation worldwide. Magenta might not, but I see polar all over the place.

i literally seen a van of kids all dressed like they're 30 with polar gear on boards and all
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Yung_Thrust on April 29, 2014, 07:19:45 PM
I heard Larry Perkins posted that pic, wasn't even Sinclair. Richie Jackson needs to know the facts before he points fingers!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Shamalamalon on April 29, 2014, 08:01:52 PM
Sinclair is dope.

Remember when Richie Jackson posted on here?  Shit was embarrassing.  He was peddling the "tortured intellect" bullshit.
Cool tricks but dude is a kook of the highest order

Take your own life, player!

Fall asleep in a school then get arrested again, shtick-er!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: happenstance on April 29, 2014, 10:55:36 PM
Back on...?
Probably just a bro hook-up.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: duffmanshredder on May 02, 2014, 06:27:32 AM
Back on...?
Probably just a bro hook-up.
In the news section of the new Thrasher it says that both Abdias and Sierra Fellers were dropped from the team but are now back on.  Thrasher doesn't give any specific information as to why though  ???
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Mazzodudee on May 02, 2014, 08:21:07 AM
Go skate hippy dirt scum. No wait lets just talk about it all fuckin week. Great.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Jared on May 02, 2014, 09:19:37 AM
I'm gunna go out on a limb and say polar probably outsells foundation worldwide. Magenta might not, but I see polar all over the place.
Wouldn't doubt it. Don't remember the last time I saw anyone skating a foundation.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Dirtymac on May 02, 2014, 09:34:16 AM
I'm gunna go out on a limb and say polar probably outsells foundation worldwide. Magenta might not, but I see polar all over the place.
Wouldn't doubt it. Don't remember the last time I saw anyone skating a foundation.
A buddy of mine skated them a few years back when Murphy first got on. He's an awesome mechanic and Dan was flowing him boards to keep his POS beamer(mecedes??) running...
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Kanye Omari West on May 02, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
Duffel is a legend icon.
???

Ya. I probably should have thought that out a little more.

He really has done some legendary tricks, I think his image speaks louder though and that's what makes him more of an icon than a legend.
That Ollie into the freeway ditch is still one of the gnarliest things ever done on a skateboard.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shit_for_brains on May 02, 2014, 12:55:12 PM
Sinclair is dope.

Remember when Richie Jackson posted on here?  Shit was embarrassing.  He was peddling the "tortured intellect" bullshit.
Cool tricks but dude is a kook of the highest order

Take your own life, player!

Fall asleep in a school then get arrested again, shtick-er!

Don't let Doug Henning talk to you like that
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: cuntzilla on May 11, 2014, 04:40:59 PM
Not really news worthy enough for its own thread so i thought i would just drop it here.
Sierra Fellers riding Ramshackle.
http://instagram.com/p/nzIFKQH_jS/ (http://instagram.com/p/nzIFKQH_jS/)
Don't really see this as a wise move from Bartie, unless Sierra somehow has fans or something.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: ThugWaffle on May 14, 2014, 10:11:25 PM
He's after FOX now.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: StabMasterArson on May 15, 2014, 12:48:18 AM
Did Richie just figure out what the internet is?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Melanoma on May 15, 2014, 05:24:54 AM
I still can't figure out if the OP's signature is real. I can't stop laughing
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: cuntzilla on May 15, 2014, 05:58:32 AM
I still can't figure out if the OP's signature is real. I can't stop laughing
http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/ (http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/)
$w@GGG BELEEDAT
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Upgrayedd on May 15, 2014, 08:54:41 AM
I still can't figure out if the OP's signature is real. I can't stop laughing
http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/ (http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/)
$w@GGG BELEEDAT
Berra on Hopps. Confirmed.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SodaJerk on May 15, 2014, 09:01:52 AM
He's after FOX now.
Does this now make Richie officially "edgy"?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: GAY on May 15, 2014, 09:06:19 AM
He's after FOX now.
Does this now make Richie officially "edgy"?

What is a FOX 29?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SodaJerk on May 15, 2014, 09:10:32 AM
He's after FOX now.
Does this now make Richie officially "edgy"?

What is a FOX 29?
I think it's a woman that dates younger men but is about 10 years too young to classify as a cougar.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: GAY on May 15, 2014, 09:12:15 AM
He's after FOX now.
Does this now make Richie officially "edgy"?

What is a FOX 29?
I think it's a woman that dates younger men but is about 10 years too young to classify as a cougar.

Oh! I just called her mom...before she died. :(
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SodaJerk on May 15, 2014, 09:34:38 AM
He's after FOX now.
Does this now make Richie officially "edgy"?

What is a FOX 29?
I think it's a woman that dates younger men but is about 10 years too young to classify as a cougar.

Oh! I just called her mom...before she died. :(
Harsh tokes man.  :o
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: tortfeasor on May 15, 2014, 06:10:18 PM
I still can't figure out if the OP's signature is real. I can't stop laughing
http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/ (http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/)
$w@GGG BELEEDAT
Berra on Hopps. Confirmed.


Holy shit I just realized Berra did the board buyers club!!
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Jared on May 15, 2014, 08:48:40 PM
I still can't figure out if the OP's signature is real. I can't stop laughing
http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/ (http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/)
$w@GGG BELEEDAT
Berra on Hopps. Confirmed.


Holy shit I just realized Berra did the board buyers club!!
Found this gem in the comments
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/a9d0f3dc86e93757495b83b3a5e187dc/tumblr_n5nejlaD0d1qldlq7o1_400.png)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SodaJerk on May 15, 2014, 10:55:31 PM
I still can't figure out if the OP's signature is real. I can't stop laughing
http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/ (http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/)
$w@GGG BELEEDAT
Berra on Hopps. Confirmed.


Holy shit I just realized Berra did the board buyers club!!
Get outta here with that Exposure type realisation tortfeasor. What you meant to say was SodaJerk realised that Berra was in the SBBC and you just read about it in the SBBC thread.
It just struck me guys but, in the Instagram clip of Steve Berra actually skating he's riding a Hopps board. Do you think he's part of the Slap Board Buyers Club? Come out and tell us who you are Steve.

 it is I steve berra the one who started this beloved club, the man behind it all. its ok worship me for i am your father

nan nanny poo poo Iii tricked you... into liking me... steve berra
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: rocketofftopic on May 15, 2014, 11:21:33 PM
I still can't figure out if the OP's signature is real. I can't stop laughing
http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/ (http://instagram.com/p/n1Gb7yQx2u/)
$w@GGG BELEEDAT
Berra on Hopps. Confirmed.


Holy shit I just realized Berra did the board buyers club!!
Found this gem in the comments
(https://24.media.tumblr.com/a9d0f3dc86e93757495b83b3a5e187dc/tumblr_n5nejlaD0d1qldlq7o1_400.png)

yooooo hahahaha this bitch just caught mad feelings over nyjah's loss!!! talkin to her girlfriends like "we lost this one but will's gonna get him in the next round.. pressure heel can you believe it?!"
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Probably A Robot on May 16, 2014, 01:45:51 AM
Get outta here with that Exposure type realisation tortfeasor. What you meant to say was SodaJerk realised that Berra was in the SBBC and you just read about it in the SBBC thread.
You are about a week late with that "realization" there pal. You can go ahead and get off that pedestal anytime now.

Second post in the original thread:

#boardbuyerclub

http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=78066.0 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=78066.0)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SodaJerk on May 16, 2014, 04:46:34 AM
Get outta here with that Exposure type realisation tortfeasor. What you meant to say was SodaJerk realised that Berra was in the SBBC and you just read about it in the SBBC thread.
You are about a week late with that "realization" there pal. You can go ahead and get off that pedestal anytime now.

Second post in the original thread:

#boardbuyerclub

http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=78066.0 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=78066.0)
Ha, pedestal climbed off. wallieD quick in the game.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: tortfeasor on May 16, 2014, 06:27:14 AM
Get outta here with that Exposure type realisation tortfeasor. What you meant to say was SodaJerk realised that Berra was in the SBBC and you just read about it in the SBBC thread.
You are about a week late with that "realization" there pal. You can go ahead and get off that pedestal anytime now.

Second post in the original thread:

#boardbuyerclub

http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=78066.0 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=78066.0)
Ha, pedestal climbed off. wallieD quick in the game.



damn it!  how could i have ever thought i was more observant than two of the omnipotent slap pals.  curse these engrams, ill never go clear.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: SodaJerk on May 16, 2014, 06:59:40 AM
Get outta here with that Exposure type realisation tortfeasor. What you meant to say was SodaJerk realised that Berra was in the SBBC and you just read about it in the SBBC thread.
You are about a week late with that "realization" there pal. You can go ahead and get off that pedestal anytime now.

Second post in the original thread:

#boardbuyerclub

http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=78066.0 (http://www.slapmagazine.com/component/option,com_jfusion/Itemid,4/index.php?topic=78066.0)
Ha, pedestal climbed off. wallieD quick in the game.



damn it!  how could i have ever thought i was more observant than two of the omnipotent slap pals.  curse these engrams, ill never go clear.
Nah, you're one of the best tortfeasor. I "exposed" myself and got served. Sorry Slap, sorry.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: MarcusCarrHC on May 16, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
I have never met Sinclair but I have dealt with him in the past. He helped me out with Dekline for a brief stint, and I can honestly say he is a good dude. He is VERY fair and honest, he may not be "nice" all day everyday but he keeps shit 100%. Which im sure most of you can appreciate is a trait that would be ideal for an employer/sponsor. Sierra is a good guy and a dope skateboarder, sucks it happened but as stated before Mike has to run a business. A lot of what the pals think about the world of skateboarding on the business side is grossly incorrect. I'm not saying people don't get fucked over in the industry, but of all the brand managers i've dealt with Mike would be least likely to do that. Skateboards in a hardware store is weird..
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: needlejuice on May 19, 2014, 06:57:45 AM
Not renewing contracts with skateboarders who are not relevant anymore and who don't help you sell the product you are endorsing them to sell is not "fucking someone over" it's called "good business practices". Being a pro skateboarder is a job kids, if you aren't cutting it at your job you get fired, especially these days when companies are hurting and new kids are coming up. Sinclair cut his own homie Dan Murphy who in my opinion should've never been put on Foundation in the first place as he never helped the brand, so I doubt it was anything personal. Business is business, if you don't like it skate for fun and don't expect anything out of it and you'll be fine. Foundation had it's time back in the 'Art Bars' days and Sinclair wouldn't be doing his job if he wasnt constantly trying to get it back to where it once was, I'm not even saying that's possible but he's obviously trying...

Richie is sticking up for his boy, nothing wrong with that either I would probably do the same in his position. However he's lying to himself if he thinks Sierra was doing anything to help Foundation anymore by being a paid professional skateboarder. Truth hurts sometimes, I wish all parties the best. I hope Sierra still enjoys skateboarding and perhaps finds a new sponsor that better suits him and I hope Foundation can one day get back to where it once was, let me tell you they've got a lot more to do than cutting Sierra and Murphy though...

wow no wonder u have so many dislikes..who the fuck doesnt like dan murphy..you obviously havnt seen his east coast video parts, i grew up with him and justin brock in nc who were both coming up as killers, and brock even put his nuts on the line so much more back  then, and murphy is capable of just as much if not more than brock, and brock knows it, i know for a fact he idolizes murphy and justin brock is one of the realest dudes in skating as well, so i duno y im even respondin to this. You obviously havnt seen his numerous east coast parts and prob have just watchd his shit sinice hes been pro, but even if, you are in the fuckin minority on that one, hes easily one of foundations and the industrys most well rounded dudes. go watch him and bachinskys combined par, ur fuckin nuts
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: posguy on July 11, 2014, 02:08:36 PM
Good Morning SLAP PALS! I know most of you want both sides of the story.. Dan Murphy is / was my great friend. I was the first person to sponsor him and recently I was the last. I helped Dan out as much as I possibly could and paid him longer than any of his other sponsors. When he was kicked off Mystery a few years back, I picked him up gave him a board on Foundation as fast as I possibly could to help him keep him going. Some people liked this move and some hated it. Does Dan Murphy fit Foundation? Nah.. but I backed him and his skating. Everyone that was on the team liked Murphy and he was always fun to be around. When I signed him up I sat him down and explained to him that this would probably only last a couple of years so I wanted to prepare him for life after skating... Dan was in his early 30's then. I made him the best bro deal I could possibly make him for being at a small brand like Foundation. I will pay you and you can live in NC but all I need from you is to provide me with proper footage and get coverage in all the mags. In the meantime you can go back to College (he already has a degree) or start a business of you own to help prepare you for the next chapter in life after skating. Dan filmed a bit had a part in WTF which was rad in my opinion. Dan was plagued with injury after injury which happens... some from skating some from partying...Dan still parties like he is still in college and I still see this as his down fall. I always told Dan even in his Mystery days to "Go back to Flow" The meaning of that is when Dan was on flow he was on fire, he fucking killed it everyday went out but Dan lives 1 block away from his old College campus. Dan loves to party. In the end Dan was not producing as much or well as the other riders, he was only producing on a local level and the local shops could not sell enough or any Dan Murphy boards for us to keep paying him. Does Dan Murphy still have fans... For sure, I'm still a fan. Years have gone by and Dan has had little to no coverage or no supporting sponsors to help him travel or get coverage. Dan's last effort was in "Film & Destory" a local North Carolina video that is rad but is also a board company (Post 22). Dan does not ride for Post 22 or Foundation. Dan recently went over my head and discussed with Swank about how much he has been working lately and that he feels insulted that we could only promote him on a local level. If Dan Murphy was still killing it and his boards were selling I would be giving my bro a high 5! My last words to Dan were.. Get a job you fucking loser. Is that harsh? Yes for sure.. Wishing nothing but the best for Dan and his future. He knows this...

Next up Sierra.. 
lose some weight  fucking dick, i hope you dont do that shit to mexicans cause you'll get it mijo.
Wow way to take a business decision and turn it into something personal and race-based. I think Sinclair would've said the same thing to Dan if he had been any other race other than white.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: able on July 11, 2014, 02:47:23 PM
(http://www.motorcycleforums.net/forum/attachments/suzuki/25297d1309921005-intruder-recall-zombie-thread.jpg)
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Disco234 on July 11, 2014, 03:52:22 PM
Good Morning SLAP PALS! I know most of you want both sides of the story.. Dan Murphy is / was my great friend. I was the first person to sponsor him and recently I was the last. I helped Dan out as much as I possibly could and paid him longer than any of his other sponsors. When he was kicked off Mystery a few years back, I picked him up gave him a board on Foundation as fast as I possibly could to help him keep him going. Some people liked this move and some hated it. Does Dan Murphy fit Foundation? Nah.. but I backed him and his skating. Everyone that was on the team liked Murphy and he was always fun to be around. When I signed him up I sat him down and explained to him that this would probably only last a couple of years so I wanted to prepare him for life after skating... Dan was in his early 30's then. I made him the best bro deal I could possibly make him for being at a small brand like Foundation. I will pay you and you can live in NC but all I need from you is to provide me with proper footage and get coverage in all the mags. In the meantime you can go back to College (he already has a degree) or start a business of you own to help prepare you for the next chapter in life after skating. Dan filmed a bit had a part in WTF which was rad in my opinion. Dan was plagued with injury after injury which happens... some from skating some from partying...Dan still parties like he is still in college and I still see this as his down fall. I always told Dan even in his Mystery days to "Go back to Flow" The meaning of that is when Dan was on flow he was on fire, he fucking killed it everyday went out but Dan lives 1 block away from his old College campus. Dan loves to party. In the end Dan was not producing as much or well as the other riders, he was only producing on a local level and the local shops could not sell enough or any Dan Murphy boards for us to keep paying him. Does Dan Murphy still have fans... For sure, I'm still a fan. Years have gone by and Dan has had little to no coverage or no supporting sponsors to help him travel or get coverage. Dan's last effort was in "Film & Destory" a local North Carolina video that is rad but is also a board company (Post 22). Dan does not ride for Post 22 or Foundation. Dan recently went over my head and discussed with Swank about how much he has been working lately and that he feels insulted that we could only promote him on a local level. If Dan Murphy was still killing it and his boards were selling I would be giving my bro a high 5! My last words to Dan were.. Get a job you fucking loser. Is that harsh? Yes for sure.. Wishing nothing but the best for Dan and his future. He knows this...

Next up Sierra..�
lose some weight� fucking dick, i hope you dont do that shit to mexicans cause you'll get it mijo.

  I came out to have a good time and I'm honestly feeling so attacked right now
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: coyote2425 on July 11, 2014, 04:22:59 PM
I wonder what Larry Perkins thinks about all this?

(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/836/zfrb.jpg)

I was waiting for this. Can't believe it took until the second page. "More like Skater of Last Year." Ha.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: needlejuice on July 12, 2014, 04:39:12 PM
woah, dan murphy is way underappreciated after reading this. How anybody could think ryan spencer and servold's part in a vid would be more watchable than a dan murphy part boggles my mind.

Maybe it's cuz ive lived in NC for the past 15 years and honestly, ive seen most of his best footage in local videos divided around NC and the east coast. This dude goes so fucking hard and puts his balls on the line more than anyone. i grew up skating with him and justin brock, and while justin stood out a little more, dan murphy was always the one who had more talent and balls, as crazy as that is to say, because i love them both to death and am so happy to see how far they both have come. Taylor smith is the only other dude id prefer over murphy if i were to choose dudes on foundation (which was never a team i was that into in the 1st place) From Carolina love to Yougottagetthat to Whathadhappenwas, murphy killed the east coast harder than most of his profressional career so i can see where theyre coming from in saying he was killing it harder when he was on flow and am. needless to say, the dudes got a psych degree from NC state and is one of the smartest pro's out there along with one of the ballsiest. But yeah he does tend to get himself in trouble. last year he was down in wilm NC and some friends had to carry him to the hospital cause he was talking shit to the wrong guy and got scrapped up bad, i thought he got his kooky eye knockd back into place
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: hufs calve muscles on July 12, 2014, 04:48:16 PM
What's Dan like in bed though?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: Lenny the Fatface on July 17, 2014, 08:00:56 PM
woah, dan murphy is way underappreciated after reading this. How anybody could think ryan spencer and servold's part in a vid would be more watchable than a dan murphy part boggles my mind.

Maybe it's cuz ive lived in NC for the past 15 years and honestly, ive seen most of his best footage in local videos divided around NC and the east coast. This dude goes so fucking hard and puts his balls on the line more than anyone. i grew up skating with him and justin brock, and while justin stood out a little more, dan murphy was always the one who had more talent and balls, as crazy as that is to say, because i love them both to death and am so happy to see how far they both have come. Taylor smith is the only other dude id prefer over murphy if i were to choose dudes on foundation (which was never a team i was that into in the 1st place) From Carolina love to Yougottagetthat to Whathadhappenwas, murphy killed the east coast harder than most of his profressional career so i can see where theyre coming from in saying he was killing it harder when he was on flow and am. needless to say, the dudes got a psych degree from NC state and is one of the smartest pro's out there along with one of the ballsiest. But yeah he does tend to get himself in trouble. last year he was down in wilm NC and some friends had to carry him to the hospital cause he was talking shit to the wrong guy and got scrapped up bad, i thought he got his kooky eye knockd back into place

Dan Murphy's problem is that he still wears oversized pinwheel fitted hats in 2014.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: shit_for_brains on July 17, 2014, 08:06:51 PM
I can't believe Dan Murphy's career lasted as long as it did.
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: chenzo on November 13, 2014, 03:05:52 PM
Didn't foundation kick off Gareth Stehr as well as countless others?
Title: Re: Richie Jackson and Mike Sinclair drama
Post by: pile on November 14, 2014, 07:19:55 AM
Didn't foundation kick off Gareth Stehr as well as countless others?

no, gareth sther left for plan b.